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3[00:00:51] <Azimoth> apollo13: hm... so installing intel microcode changed it from version sig=0x406c4 to sig=0x406c4 :-/
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5[00:01:17] <Azimoth> apollo13: I might as well remove it again, then...
6[00:02:00] <Azimoth> apollo13: unless you have an idea about some secret setting that might change anything about that...
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63[00:25:15] <deicide-> can someone please guide me how do i install this replaced-url
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113[00:53:42] <deicide-> sigh
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120[00:58:31] <DerLGm> deicide-: ???
121[00:58:41] <deicide-> can someone please guide me how do i install this replaced-url
122[00:59:17] <DerLGm> I can. In about 2 hrs unfortunately.
123[01:00:17] <deicide-> ping me when you can, thanks
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140[01:06:00] <teatime> Do I still need separate /boot on amd64 for the rest of the system all in one encrypted PV, w/ Debian 9.3.0
141[01:07:21] <rant> deicide-: what makes you think you need this? there are plenty of thinkpad utils in debian already
142[01:07:44] <deicide-> i tried tlp and it doesn't work
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144[01:08:33] <mnuhmnuh> does linux-cpupower play nicely with the stuff i presentl have playing nicely w cpufreq, such as gkrellm?
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147[01:09:23] <rant> deicide-: the site seems to outline very clearly a rather simple and straighforward looking install proceedure.
148[01:09:39] <deicide-> tlp?
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157[01:10:22] <rant> deicide-: the tpacpi-bat link you posted.. which if your current utils dont work, this probably wont either as its just a perl script.. it doesnt contain and kernel-level stuff.. which is probably what you're missing
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161[01:10:54] <rant> deicide-: try installing tp-smapi-dkms and see if that solves your issue, thats the kernel support for various thinkpad stuff
162[01:10:56] <deicide-> it opens a libre office program
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166[01:12:32] <FightingFalcon> is there a test to check if my system is secure?
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168[01:13:03] <annadane> it's called "don't run everything as root"...
169[01:13:17] <deicide-> tp-smapi-dkms yea i have installed that
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171[01:13:22] <rant> FightingFalcon: there are various tools, like rkhunter but no sure fire solution, no..
172[01:13:27] <deicide-> in the process of tlp installation
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183[01:20:21] <FightingFalcon> is libre as good as ms office?
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185[01:21:13] <FightingFalcon> eyy
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193[01:24:47] <deicide-> both are shit
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197[01:26:00] <rant> I like libreoffice better than MS Office.. some features are much more readily available in libreoffice
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201[01:26:24] <rant> like merging of cells in the spreadsheet is one of the right-click context options in libreoffice for example
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204[01:26:36] <rant> little things like that you gotta hunt for in MS Office
205[01:26:47] <deicide-> replaced-url
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207[01:26:55] <deicide-> my thinkpad doesn't list here
208[01:27:10] <deicide-> why do i keep install shit on my laptop that doesn't work
209[01:27:14] <rant> deicide-: is it a newer Lenovo or the old IBM? Is it a T Series?
210[01:27:20] <deicide-> how do i uninstall stuff btw?
211[01:27:26] <deicide-> t470
212[01:27:36] <deicide-> thats why i posted that link
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215[01:28:08] <deicide-> i cant figure out how to install it
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222[01:31:04] <rant> ah, thats a brand new model
223[01:31:37] <rant> chances are its not supported yet then I guess.. you'd have to likely help the devs out getting it supported
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226[01:32:44] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: newer thinkpad laptops don't use tp_smapi
227[01:33:05] <deicide-> i noticed
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230[01:33:19] <deicide-> can someone please guide me how do i install this replaced-url
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232[01:34:13] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: you can just clone that repo and run it straight from there
233[01:34:24] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: all it does is modify things in /sys to set the thresholds
234[01:35:07] <rant> dondelelcaro: yes, as I'd pointed out the problem is likely the kernel support not being there for this new model
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236[01:35:48] <dondelelcaro> rant: the T470 apparently has in-kernel support, which is all that is needed
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239[01:36:07] <dondelelcaro> this is separate from tp-smapi, which uses a completely different interface
240[01:36:22] <rant> yes there is tp-smapi and thinkpad-acpi
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242[01:37:18] <deicide-> it has support for that i know for a fact
243[01:37:42] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: so anyway, you should be able to run that script right out of a clone of the git repo
244[01:37:59] <deicide-> i have set it up in windows(the thresholds) and after changing to linux for some reason it kept it
245[01:38:10] <deicide-> but now it no longer t he case no idea what has changed
246[01:38:31] <deicide-> dondelelcaro, i don't know how
247[01:39:11] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: git clone replaced-url
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249[01:40:49] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: apparently you might also need the acpi call module too, but that also has a readme
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251[01:41:13] <dondelelcaro> (or better, you can just apt-get install acpi-call-dkms; )
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257[01:44:34] <deicide-> git command not found
258[01:44:42] <dondelelcaro> !installit
259[01:44:42] <dpkg> Your box does not come with every application, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. If someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get or aptitude.
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261[01:45:16] <deicide-> <dondelelcaro> deicide-: git clone replaced-url
262[01:45:21] <deicide-> and thats the error i got
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264[01:45:34] <dondelelcaro> deicide-: so you need to install git. apt-get install git;
265[01:46:15] <FightingFalcon> What might happen if i delete everything in /etc/network/interfaces ?
266[01:46:36] <dondelelcaro> FightingFalcon: you might not have a network and you might break loopback?
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272[01:50:03] <deicide-> ok it worked
273[01:50:10] <deicide-> but i have no idea what it have done
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277[01:52:35] <deicide-> i'm starting to lose faith i'll ever get this shit working
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280[01:54:54] <coruja> deicide-, you should work on getting an idea of what you're doing then ;)
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286[01:56:31] <coruja> kind of essential not only but especially in the linux world
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309[02:02:10] <deicide-> would be awesome if i could get better help\guide me to what i want
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334[02:22:57] <jim> deicide-, take a look at the output of: git --version
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340[02:28:38] <jim> deicide-, have you worked with git before?
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342[02:29:49] <deicide-> i'm new to linux
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345[02:30:36] <jim> do you know what git is?
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350[02:35:32] <jim> ok, no response... I'll check back later
351[02:36:18] <deicide-> i installed git and did what donde told me to do but i have no idea what it did
352[02:36:34] <deicide-> and it has no affect on anything
353[02:36:37] <phogg> That's normal. Welcome to git!
354[02:37:07] <deicide-> why is it so hard to get battery threshold on laptops?
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357[02:38:06] <phogg> jim: time to check back
358[02:38:20] <phogg> deicide-: are you trying to compile something from source that you found on github?
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361[02:40:20] <phogg> well that install.pl is pretty sad but at least easy to follow
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367[02:41:41] <V7> Hey all
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369[02:42:05] <V7> The strange thing here: replaced-url
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371[02:42:09] <arahael> deicide-: As a tip, you seem to jump in and try to do something, get an error, and then ask for help *with that error*. You may have an X-Y problem.
372[02:42:25] <V7> It generates mroe than 64 symbols and adds 24 symbols after space
373[02:42:31] <arahael> deicide-: (Ie, you ask for help with X, but you actually want help with Y)
374[02:42:36] <deicide-> i didn't find it someone here linked me that
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378[02:43:26] <phogg> deicide-: did you run the install.pl that came in the tpacpi repo?
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383[02:45:16] <deicide-> git clone replaced-url
384[02:45:28] <phogg> deicide-: that may not be enough
385[02:45:30] <deicide-> i have no idea what it did cause my battery is still on 100%
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387[02:45:35] <phogg> deicide-: did you read the README? It tells you what you need to do
388[02:46:20] <deicide-> easier to read chinese than that readme
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390[02:47:11] <phogg> deicide-: that's certainly not true. What's the first part you don't understand? I'll explain it.
391[02:47:15] <arahael> deicide-: The important information there is in *six dot points*.
392[02:47:25] <themill> Perhaps someone in #debian-zh can translate it for you then.
393[02:48:25] <arahael> I'd recommend viewing the HTML version of the readme.
394[02:48:43] <phogg> yes, the one in the github page that you linked to yourself
395[02:50:38] <phogg> the provided install.pl stupidly stuffs the script into /usr/bin, you might also want to change that
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404[02:54:08] <dysfigured> can i just install fail2ban on my new linode vps and consider it 'okay' and good to go or is there confiddling i need to do
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508[02:56:11] <phogg> dysfigured: fail2ban out of the box is merely "better than nothing"
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526[02:57:33] <mnuhmnuh> it comes with filter expressions for various services ... easily extended ...
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532[02:57:58] <dysfigured> i mean, the most 'securing' i've done on this box is disable password login over ssh, and install fail2ban.. wondering what else i should do
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535[02:58:00] <mnuhmnuh> apt show
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544[02:59:16] <mnuhmnuh> i rely on my router more than indiv. boxes.
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546[02:59:45] <dysfigured> well i mean it's a vps i don't really have control over the routers in front of it
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549[03:00:20] <phogg> dysfigured: set the default INPUT policy to DROP, then open required ports.
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570[03:06:23] <csmall> cef: I tried copying greeter default file to greeter.conf for gdm3 backround but no luck
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588[03:11:57] <csmall> If anyone knows how to successfully change the gdm3 background image I would love to hear how. The wiki article doesn't work.
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600[03:14:30] <petn-randall> deicide-: The *complete* installation steps are in the README. It's a full 3 lines you have to read in simple English. Now please go through the effort of reading them instead of pestering us to read them out for you.
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626[03:29:08] <teatime> any ideas on several (eight) "a stop job is running" at shutdown, it seems to be related to the crypt container / lvm stuff I just installed, fresh 9.3
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638[03:34:09] <deicide-> ur link is false
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725[04:00:41] <user> hello, it's there way to restore my apt sources list from live cd ?
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732[04:03:51] <DerLGm> user: replaced-url
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738[04:07:22] <cef> csmall... seems gdm3 gets it's files now from /var/lib/gdm3/* when not run as root, and only from /etc/gdm3/* if run at root. It's also greeter-dconf-defaults in /var/lib/gdm3/ (rather than greeter.dconf-defaults in /etc/gdm3/).
739[04:07:36] <cef> argh, he's not here.
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1072[07:07:25] <mrjayribs> Hey everyone! So i got my first tech job; and I need to work remotely. I work with Linux, but unforuntatly on a Windows computer at work. We're moving our office and a co-worker made a comment that I didn't understand when I told him I ran debian: "Don't use Debian as you're personal OS. Use Linux Mint or something. Debian is used for serves"
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1077[07:09:33] <themill> all that says is "I think version numbers are more important than anything else"
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1079[07:11:12] <mrjayribs> themill: why do you say that?
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1082[07:12:23] <themill> There is absolutely nothing wrong with using Debian as a desktop
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1084[07:13:58] <Unit193> Even then, one can use something other than stable. I wonder if the co-worker understands Mint is derived from Ubuntu which derives from Debian.
1085[07:14:29] <nku> mrjayribs: i run stable on all my workstations, because i want to ... work
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1092[07:17:03] <mrjayribs> Unit193: he actually said that exact thing
1093[07:17:27] <mrjayribs> He rather use Ubuntu as it "works out of the box" and he would rather remove extraneous things rather than add needed things
1094[07:17:29] <mrjayribs> makes sense
1095[07:17:41] <Unit193> Which is fine and dandy, as long as you never use anything outside of 'main'..
1096[07:17:42] <mrjayribs> but I mean, could Debian as a work laptop be aoptimize in any way
1097[07:17:51] <mrjayribs> Also.. i'm having some display issue lately...
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1099[07:18:17] <nku> mrjayribs: just pick whatever distro you want. in #debian it should be obvious what people use. make up your own mind
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1101[07:18:57] <awal1> mrjayribs, debian is my desktop (laptop)since 5 years now; nothing to say
1102[07:19:17] <mrjayribs> I've used Debian for the last couple of months; so I'm not looking to make a descision; just looking for some other insight
1103[07:19:46] <nku> mrjayribs: like i said, i use stable because it is *stable*, which is the most valuable thing in a work environment
1104[07:19:55] <awal1> probably, only slakware can be comparable to debian stable brach regarding stability and robustness
1105[07:20:03] <awal1> slackware
1106[07:20:14] <nku> mrjayribs: your colleague says that debian is for servers. ask him why. then ask him if he doesn't consider his workstation critical
1107[07:20:35] <nku> mrjayribs: if his workstation is not critical, i'd argue that he isn't. but that's just my style..
1108[07:21:22] <mrjayribs> lololol. interesting
1109[07:21:37] <mrjayribs> I believe I have the stable version as well; things work XD
1110[07:21:41] <awal1> mint , arch, fedora is just about non-free and bleeding edge stuff ...
1111[07:22:29] <mrjayribs> I have an interest in arch; as I heard you learn a lot about linux that way.
1112[07:22:30] <awal1> sid is stable just as ubuntu & mint
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1114[07:22:58] <awal1> all you can do with arch you can also do with debian
1115[07:23:20] <awal1> manually edit stuff, expert mode for install and so
1116[07:24:28] <mrjayribs> gotcha. Yeah I'll stick to Debian. Seems like the godfather of the rest of them anyway
1117[07:24:35] <awal1> i don't see what you can do with arch but not with debian
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1119[07:24:44] <awal1> or gentoo or or
1120[07:24:54] <mrjayribs> why do people rave about arch then?
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1122[07:25:04] <awal1> just ·default" differs
1123[07:25:19] <awal1> "defaults"
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1125[07:26:12] <awal1> maybe just bcoz those "people" are just more active in the web and irc
1126[07:26:29] <mrjayribs> lololol
1127[07:26:31] <mrjayribs> good point
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1129[07:26:39] <mrjayribs> well another person from work mentioned this to me as well
1130[07:27:06] <awal1> this is a debian channel, so you know what people will tell you
1131[07:27:19] <mrjayribs> of course; but why?!
1132[07:27:27] <awal1> just experiment your self and end choosing what you think is better for you
1133[07:28:12] <awal1> I tried many gnu/linux OS's and ended using debian bcoz of stabulity, but also bcoz of community and the project
1134[07:28:47] <mrjayribs> Fair enough. I moved from Trisquel and they didn't have packages I needed...
1135[07:28:50] <awal1> debian have more then 1000 devs and maintainers....
1136[07:29:05] <awal1> ah, trisquel
1137[07:29:41] <awal1> just run debian pure "main" and configure your DE/WM as you want it
1138[07:30:27] <awal1> many derivatives out there are just a matter of customization
1139[07:30:43] <mrjayribs> DE/WM ?
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1142[07:31:19] <awal1> bunsenlabs, for example? just a customized openbox
1143[07:31:43] <awal1> desktop environment/window manager
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1147[07:32:28] <darxmurf> morning
1148[07:33:27] <DerLGm> darxmurf: morning. Head to #debian-offtopic
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1150[07:34:43] <awal1> mrjayribs, if you want something like clic 'next' 'next' 'next' and not knowing what is & after 5 years of usage, you can just go for linuxmint , ubuntu , fedora and suse
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1153[07:36:08] <mrjayribs> awal1: Yeah that makes sense. That's how I've been using Linux that last couple of years
1154[07:36:27] <jehorn> Hi everybody
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1370[09:29:14] <thm> running stable, enabled backports and testing. now I install a package with "-t stretch-backports", and the next upgrade updates that package to the one from testing - how can I prevent that?
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1373[09:29:57] <braingain> Hello there I have a question about systemd: i wrote a service file and placed it under /etc/systemd/system but even though I can start/stop the service I'm unable to enable it to run on boot. How do you enable small run-on-boot scripts with systemd?
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1376[09:32:44] <rwx777> is debian secured by default or do you recommend to do hardening stuff ?
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1380[09:35:10] <pragomer> I installed stretch on my 2015 macbook pro. how could I "check" if there could be some additional proprietary drivers that let the device perhaps work better?
1381[09:35:34] <pragomer> in *buntu like distros you got that "Device Driver" things that does this look up
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1383[09:35:49] <braingain> rwx777: its always your choice and your level of paranoia should be defined by your usecase
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1388[09:38:14] <braingain> pragomer: even though debian isn't a OS to always run 'latest' drivers and software on.. most macbooks run intel and intel is well supported within linux so you wont run into problems with the main peripherals. if wifi doesnt work, maybe change then chip from broadcom to intel and so on. normally, you just do a quick lookup on '$HARDWARE linux driver' and then try to find it within the repos.
1389[09:39:13] <rwx777> ok. i mean i don't get all of the hardening stuff on the debian page (i dont mean enryption or passwords). That doesnt mean that i have an open system or ?
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1391[09:41:41] <braingain> well see, there are a lot of attack vectors on a system (see hardware bugs as spectre for ex.) and you can invest a lot of time into hardening up. if you are, for ex, afraid of people with usb-sticks, you should glue your usb-ports, if you think there could be an attacker within your lan/ or wan for server, then at least close your open ports. if you think youre a target, then make these ports only available
1392[09:41:43] <braingain> by knocking.
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1394[09:42:46] <braingain> you can harddisk-encrypt, get a password manager, encrypt your communication, get a MAC if youre very unsure what your processes are doing etc etc.
1395[09:43:44] <rwx777> ok thanks for information. I think i have a lot of things to learn xD
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1400[09:47:28] <braingain> just keep your head down like we all do. having a linux box is generally a huge step forward. congrats :P
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1432[10:02:31] <Voyager82> Hello. I don't know if this is the proper channel to ask. I'm having problem with my sound card. Actually, it works perfectly in reproducing sound. The microphone doesn't work. What's the right way to start working on the solution of the problem?
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1447[10:12:26] <klys> voyager, get you sox and alsamixer and experiment with recording volume levels
1448[10:12:37] <klys> voyager82 ^
1449[10:13:09] <Voyager82> I have. I think the problem is deeper.
1450[10:13:30] <klys> voyager82, try #electronics
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1535[10:55:33] <thow> since i rebooted my stretch, dummy network interfaces don't work. dummy module is on lsmod, but dummy interfaces ddon't appear on ifconfig. any clue?
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1537[10:55:50] <rafalcpp> hi, what program can provide a proxy server to which e.g. firefox of client can connect, would you use privoxy, squid, something else?
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1540[10:56:26] <shtrb> thow, what module ?
1541[10:56:48] <thow> "dummy"
1542[10:56:50] <shtrb> rafalcpp, what type of proxy do you need
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1544[10:56:58] <petn-randall> thow: is it visible with 'ifconfig -a'?
1545[10:57:11] <thow> no.
1546[10:57:19] <shtrb> insmod dummy works ?
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1548[10:57:21] <thow> lsmod -a shows the module is loaded.
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1551[10:57:33] <thow> yep. insmod/modprobe works
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1553[10:57:40] <shtrb> is there any error ?
1554[10:57:52] <shtrb> anything in dmesg right after that ?
1555[10:57:58] <thow> dmesg and messages look normal
1556[10:58:40] <thow> if i load the module with numdummies option, it works.
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1558[10:59:00] <thow> and that's how it's configured on /etc/modprobe.d. it was working till the last update
1559[10:59:20] <thow> now it seems it's ignoring /etc/modprobe.d/dummy.conf
1560[10:59:24] <shtrb> is the conf file has .conf in the end ?
1561[10:59:25] <shtrb> oh
1562[10:59:27] <thow> yep.
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1564[10:59:35] <thow> does it need to be +x ?
1565[10:59:46] <shtrb> no
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1568[11:00:05] <thow> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 339 Apr 10 2017 /etc/modprobe.d/dummy.conf
1569[11:00:06] <shtrb> Are you sure it was not commented ?
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1571[11:00:28] <shtrb> *the internal line inside that file, and it was not blacklisted
1572[11:00:33] <thow> the file only has two lines: the alias and the options numdummies...
1573[11:00:39] <thow> they are not commented
1574[11:00:43] <shtrb> you can add it with an options in that file
1575[11:01:02] <thow> options dummy numdummies=8
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1577[11:01:35] <thow> that hasn't been changed for years.
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1604[11:11:01] <pragomer> although I have "allow_other" as option for my sshfs mount, I get file-managers error "only root can mount...." and I have to do sudo mount -a in terminal
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1606[11:11:08] <pragomer> any idea whats wrong?
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1622[11:13:55] <shtrb> does running sshfs user@server:/path ~/path/ work for you ?
1623[11:14:32] <shtrb> and is your used is a member of fuse group
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1639[11:19:05] <devbaka_> has someone a idea, how i can setting up a user register like NickServ for a IRC-Server? I will use unrealircd and have no idea how i can set up to allow user to register
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1642[11:19:37] <shtrb> devbaka_, as a client or a server ?
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1644[11:20:28] <clumsy_boy> hi im using debian 9, and for some reason my monitor is not detected, therefore making the resolution bad unless i use xrandr to set the display size manually, i got all drivers updated, should i smash my monitor, set it on fire and buy a new one or is there something more to it, if so, how do i detect it?
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1650[11:20:33] <devbaka_> as server,also i have set up a IRC-Server with unrealircd as Server. Now i want to allow any User to Register the nickname with a password
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1654[11:21:54] <Iridos> have you tried "apt-cache search nickserv"?
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1657[11:22:37] <shtrb> devbaka_ , check anopis
1658[11:22:40] <Iridos> clumsy_boy, you can always create an xorg.conf
1659[11:22:46] <shtrb> *anope
1660[11:23:45] <clumsy_boy> Iridos how should i properly do that? also where do i save the file, ALSO i have no xorg.conf
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1665[11:25:09] <Iridos> but actually, if you *can* change the resolution per xrandr, that part is probably already set up correctly and you only need the DM to switch to it
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1669[11:25:54] <clumsy_boy> Iridos DM?
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1671[11:26:49] <shtrb> clumsy_boy, sometimes screens declare bad resolution (VGA ones)
1672[11:26:51] <Iridos> err DE… desktop environment…
1673[11:26:58] <Iridos> how do you set the correct resolution right now?
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1676[11:27:49] <clumsy_boy> shtrb funny, monitor is detected as VGA-0
1677[11:28:18] <rephlexie> clumsy_boy, what monitor is it?
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1679[11:28:20] <clumsy_boy> Iridos, i use cvt with my resolution, then --newmode and --addmode, finally --output
1680[11:28:21] <shtrb> Change the cable
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1683[11:28:38] <clumsy_boy> rephlexie i dont know the model exactly, LG
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1689[11:32:18] <Iridos> ooh. I forgot xrandr can now make new modes
1690[11:32:30] <clumsy_boy> shtrb you mean the blue lookin guy?
1691[11:32:40] <clumsy_boy> shtrb you think thats the issue?
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1693[11:32:52] <Iridos> dpkg, xorg manual config
1694[11:32:52] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run «dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration». If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. replaced-url
1695[11:33:22] <clumsy_boy> oh
1696[11:33:27] <shtrb> clumsy_boy, I think it's the cable, usually it was the cable or how well it is plugged in
1697[11:33:34] <clumsy_boy> yeah i couldnt run X -configure
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1699[11:33:51] <Iridos> you couldn't?
1700[11:35:01] <clumsy_boy> nope
1701[11:35:06] <clumsy_boy> it was running
1702[11:35:10] <clumsy_boy> so i couldnt uh
1703[11:35:17] <clumsy_boy> make a new conf
1704[11:35:23] <clumsy_boy> anyways i got this
1705[11:35:23] <clumsy_boy> Your xorg.conf file is /root/xorg.conf.new
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1707[11:35:49] <Iridos> yes… that's the whole point
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1709[11:36:22] <Iridos> it creates an xorg.conf for you that you can edit to your needs and put into /etc/xorg.conf
1710[11:36:44] <clumsy_boy> xorg.conf?
1711[11:36:50] <clumsy_boy> is that supposed to be a folder?
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1714[11:40:03] <devbaka_> shtrb, thank you :) I hope its allow configuration like,allow only this ips for channel, static channels etc? I was thinking unrealircd has the most configurations?
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1721[11:44:07] <shtrb> devbaka_, I just googled what you asked here
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1723[11:44:51] <shtrb> clumsy_boy, you have either one xorg.conf or many section files in /etc/xorg.conf.d/
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1728[11:47:07] <devbaka_> oh ok, i hope someone has the same problem ^^ most irc server have functions which has the other nit
1729[11:47:09] <devbaka_> not*
1730[11:47:14] <thow> ok. i made some progress. it seems bootstrap is ignoring module options
1731[11:47:33] <thow> loads the module, but ignores the option "numdummies=x"
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1738[11:56:19] <caesar_> Hello :-) Is there anybody, who knows, when the new Firefox is releaseing for Linux Mx 16?
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1742[11:57:55] <shtrb> not debian question
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1744[11:58:32] <shtrb> caesar_, MX16 like ubuntu are different dists
1745[11:58:42] <caesar_> Where can i ask the Question. In which forum?
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1747[11:58:54] <NetTerminalGene> google ditched their ubuntu based operation system for debian testing. they will use debian testing based distro
1748[11:58:55] <epicmetal> caesar_: check your distro website
1749[11:59:02] <NetTerminalGene> operating*
1750[11:59:10] <shtrb> NetTerminalGene, d-o
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1757[12:02:02] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Which distro is that supposed to be?
1758[12:02:24] <caesar_> epicmetal_: Thx. I will do this :-)
1759[12:02:28] <shtrb> petn-randall, it's a buster
1760[12:02:46] <epicmetal> NetTerminalGene: it's not really a distro if they don't distribute it. It's just an in-house Linux-based OS that happens to be based on Debian
1761[12:03:05] <NetTerminalGene> yeah in-house distro
1762[12:03:13] <epicmetal> Uh :)
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1765[12:03:33] <NetTerminalGene> debian will get more support because of this
1766[12:03:45] <epicmetal> NetTerminalGene: probably, but not necessarily
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1769[12:04:22] <petn-randall> > Announced on DebConf 17
1770[12:04:39] <epicmetal> what's the point of debhelper setting a channel limit if people can still join exceeding the limit? what does a channel limit actually do?
1771[12:04:43] <petn-randall> Not really "news" I'd say. It's half a year ago it was was announced.
1772[12:04:59] <petn-randall> epicmetal: It's so 1000 bots can't join at once.
1773[12:05:13] <epicmetal> petn-randall: so above the limit there's throttling?
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1775[12:05:44] <epicmetal> it's the only freenode channel i see with such a bot message
1776[12:05:44] <petn-randall> epicmetal: If the limit is hit and debhelper doesn't increase it in time, you (or rather the bots) can't join.
1777[12:06:07] <epicmetal> ohhhhhh
1778[12:06:26] <petn-randall> epicmetal: There is a hysteresis setting so it's slowly increased and decreased over time. It doesn't harm normal users, but prevents bot floods from effectively joining.
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1782[12:07:24] <spadone> is lurking acceptable?
1783[12:07:27] <epicmetal> oh, i just realised the hexchat "number of users" in titlebar isn't accurate
1784[12:07:37] <epicmetal> petn-randall: ^
1785[12:07:46] <petn-randall> spadone: Sure
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1787[12:07:53] <epicmetal> spadone: of course
1788[12:08:02] <petn-randall> spadone: I'd say the majority of people in here lurk.
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1792[12:11:28] <spadone> cool, I like to see the discussions
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1794[12:13:18] <sphalerite_> can I install xorg without pulling in all the video drivers? -p Apt::Install-Recommends=false doesn't prevent them from getting included
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1796[12:14:16] <petn-randall> sphalerite_: Sure, just install xserver-xorg-core.
1797[12:14:36] <sphalerite_> aaah right, thanks
1798[12:14:46] <petn-randall> sphalerite_: xserver-xorg is a meta package that just depends on all sensible bits.
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1800[12:17:10] <n4dir> would there be any reason to be bothered by having all video drivers installed?
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1802[12:17:49] <sphalerite_> n4dir: tiny hard disk
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1804[12:18:06] <n4dir> well: that would be really tiny.
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1807[12:18:18] <petn-randall> Every byte counts, I guess :)
1808[12:18:27] <sphalerite_> this is a machine from the last century :p
1809[12:18:30] <n4dir> but yeah, that was the only reason which came to my mind too.
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1811[12:18:45] <n4dir> what size is xorg these days? 130 MB ?
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1813[12:19:07] <sphalerite_> apt install xserver-xorg-video-all -> "After this operation, 182MB of additional disk space will be used"
1814[12:19:14] <n4dir> ah, thanks.
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1817[12:19:56] <sphalerite_> hm. Not sure the graphics card in here will work…
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1822[12:21:01] <FightingFalcon> jelly you here?
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1848[12:36:21] <shtrb> Why do we have /usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm ?
1849[12:36:42] <gpunk> lol, why not ?
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1851[12:37:10] <shtrb> sorry , brain fart (missread the path )
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1856[12:38:54] <shtrb> Got "dpkg: warning: unable to delete old directory '/usr/include/x86_64-linux-gnu/asm': Directory not empty" while installing and started to question
1857[12:39:18] <shtrb> linux-libc-dev
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1859[12:40:01] <gpunk> look for what s in it
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1861[12:40:22] <shtrb> I said , brain fart sorry
1862[12:40:28] <gpunk> okok
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1871[12:47:09] <xet7> How do I install Debian buster? Is there .iso somewhere?
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1873[12:47:18] <shtrb> xet yes
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1876[12:47:23] <Ugandan> sd
1877[12:47:27] <Ugandan> gg
1878[12:47:32] <Ugandan> my bruddas
1879[12:47:48] <xet7> Where?
1880[12:47:57] <Ugandan> do you know de wey?
1881[12:48:01] <shtrb> replaced-url
1882[12:48:09] <shtrb> xet7, sorry replaced-url
1883[12:48:33] * Ugandan slaps Ugandan around a bit with a large trout
1884[12:48:44] * Ugandan slaps xet7 around a bit with a large trout
1885[12:48:50] <epicmetal> Ugandan: don't do that, please
1886[12:48:59] <Ugandan> ok my brudda
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1892[12:52:08] <FightingFalcon> epicmetal, Are you Swedish?
1893[12:52:17] <xet7> shtrb: Thanks!
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1896[12:52:33] <shtrb> FightingFalcon, are only sweeds dislike trouts ?
1897[12:52:41] <FightingFalcon> no, "epicmetal".
1898[12:52:48] <FightingFalcon> metal is very popular in Sweden
1899[12:53:03] <shtrb> #debian-offtopic ^
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1948[13:23:07] <vahe> hi, I have the latest Debian, but mpv player version oldmpv 0.23.0 2016 , very old why ?
1949[13:23:35] <vahe> why everything is so old
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1951[13:24:15] <gpunk> because it is safer
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1953[13:24:41] <gpunk> is ti working for you ? or not
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1955[13:25:25] <vahe> gpunk: you write to me?
1956[13:25:30] <gpunk> yup
1957[13:25:52] <NetTerminalGene> vahe, because in stable release packages doesn't updated except security
1958[13:25:52] <vahe> didn't know that the old packages means security
1959[13:25:58] <n4dir> !debian-backports
1960[13:25:58] <dpkg> backports.debian.org (formerly backports.org) is an official repository of <backports> for the current stable (see <jessie backports>) and oldstable (<wheezy backports>) distributions, prepared by Debian developers. Ask me about <backport caveat> and read replaced-url
1961[13:26:10] <gpunk> ,v mpv
1962[13:26:11] <judd> Package: mpv on amd64 -- jessie: 0.6.2-2; stretch: 0.23.0-2+b2; buster: 0.27.0-2+b3; sid: 0.27.0-2+b3; jessie-multimedia: 1:0.8.3-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 1:0.25.0-dmo2; buster-multimedia: 1:0.27.0-dmo4; sid-multimedia: 1:0.27.0-dmo4
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1964[13:26:27] <n4dir> is sometimes worth a try. But make sure to first understand what kind of distribution debian is and why you pick it (or don't pick it, duh)
1965[13:27:12] <vahe> thanks all
1966[13:27:17] <vahe> I guess I'm gonna use the buster
1967[13:27:32] <n4dir> if you are looking for the greates and latest versions of software, then debian (stable) ain't a good choice (imho, duh)
1968[13:27:32] <vahe> sid is too much for me
1969[13:28:00] * themill wonders if the pain of running testing is worth it for a slightly newer mpv
1970[13:28:11] <vahe> n4dir: Yes you are right
1971[13:28:12] <n4dir> themill: :-)
1972[13:28:15] <shtrb> pain ?
1973[13:28:52] <n4dir> versions don't matter anyway. only if a newer version has features i *do* need, it would matter.
1974[13:29:15] <vahe> themill: it is not exactly in the mpv, I see that a lot of things old
1975[13:29:15] * n4dir thinks of blackbox
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1977[13:29:32] <themill> vahe: and the problems that causes are: ___
1978[13:30:00] <n4dir> vahe: there is a page which explains which distro of debian, stable testing or sid, you should use. Use google, and it will explain (main point is: sid ain't necessarily harder than testing)
1979[13:30:23] <vahe> thanks for the clarification
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1981[13:32:05] <n4dir> vahe: replaced-url
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1984[13:33:11] <vahe> thanks for the link I'll read it now definitely , good luck to all
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1989[13:38:00] <xet7> Does debian testing ppc64el .iso work in PPC Mac PowerBook G4 that has NVidia graphics?
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1994[13:42:46] <gpunk> i think it does
1995[13:42:49] <gpunk> replaced-url
1996[13:42:56] <gpunk> what does it cost you
1997[13:43:00] <gpunk> oops
1998[13:43:03] <g0zzy> Running stretch with Mate. Is it possible to change the desktop keyboard settings over ssh?
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2001[13:44:54] <gpunk> have you tryed loadkeys ?
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2009[13:49:17] <g0zzy> Well will that affect the desktop itself. I mean i reconfigured the keyboard with dpkg-reconfigure. That had no immediate effect on the session. The complication is that the machine is being used by a novice and also they are running live. I don't want them to log out or they might close down by mistake
2010[13:50:28] <g0zzy> dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration didn't help therefore
2011[13:51:23] * g0zzy thinks this user won't convert from Win 10 to Debian on account of poor Skype anway :(
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2013[13:51:32] <gpunk> may be if you luched sssh with -X
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2015[13:51:57] <gpunk> then lunch the control-settings
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2017[13:52:58] <gpunk> or lunch/install VNC ... etc
2018[13:52:59] <g0zzy> mate-keyboard-properties is probably it but these days getting someone else's gui apps is tricky.
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2023[13:54:00] <gpunk> are you root on the machine ?
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2026[13:55:49] <g0zzy> I can be
2027[13:56:15] <gpunk> familiar with vnc ?
2028[13:56:16] <g0zzy> sudo -H -S -u user mate-keyboard-properties
2029[13:56:38] <g0zzy> Didn't work. Actually it did yesterday but my choice didn't 'stick'
2030[13:56:50] <shtrb> gpunk, maybe xpra
2031[13:56:53] <g0zzy> I've actually just installed Teamviewer
2032[13:57:12] <gpunk> cool , then do that with TV
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2034[13:57:43] <g0zzy> Yes. Don't worry. Thanks
2035[13:57:49] <gpunk> :)
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2048[14:04:05] <Iridos> dpkg, keymap
2049[14:04:05] <dpkg> Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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2051[14:04:45] <g0zzy> Iridos: ^^
2052[14:04:55] <Iridos> the dpkg-reconfigure should fix it for the next login…
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2054[14:05:27] <Iridos> you need x11 authorisation for current one… yeah, you could probably access the current X session with x11vnc
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2058[14:05:48] <Iridos> and then use the tools that come with the de
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2069[14:09:02] <Iridos> and I guess that would be easier than getting the magic cookie from (probably) /run/user/1000/*dm/Xauthority, setting DISPLAY=:0 and adding it with xauth… then doing stuff with setxkbmap…
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2102[14:20:17] <g0zzy> Thanks guys
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2141[14:36:19] <bounceman> Hi, are there any connection state cacheing going on in UFW? I deleted a rule but I can still receive traffic from that host.
2142[14:36:28] <bounceman> netstat grep on that host returns nothing, and it was only on a specific port
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2148[14:38:00] <bounceman> I even tried adding a DENY rule for that ip at position 1
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2151[14:39:16] <petn-randall> bounceman: Can you paste the relevant logs to replaced-url
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2161[14:41:40] <bounceman> replaced-url
2162[14:41:49] <bounceman> Where 185.77.10.10 is the removed IP
2163[14:41:56] <bounceman> and .11 is just a reference, existing rule
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2165[14:42:17] <petn-randall> bounceman: The shortened logs are useless, please paste the full ones.
2166[14:42:44] <petn-randall> bounceman: Feel free to shorten IPs if you're overly paranoid.
2167[14:42:57] <bounceman> There are hundreds of them :D
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2169[14:43:22] <petn-randall> bounceman: Should be fairly easy to copy/paste with your mouse.
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2179[14:48:00] <Iridos> there's also pastebinit and nopaste packaged for debian
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2189[14:53:12] <wuming> hello
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2194[14:54:19] <mefistofeles> hello
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2198[14:54:45] <mefistofeles> I commonly change the click behaviour in dolphin preferences (Kde/plasma), I can't seem to find that anymore, is it somewhere else?
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2200[14:55:21] <gpunk> in the control-center ?
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2202[14:55:43] <mefistofeles> gpunk: yes, just found it, hah thanks
2203[14:55:49] <mefistofeles> in input devices in the system settings thing
2204[14:55:51] <gpunk> :)
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2213[15:00:49] <yogg> Hi
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2218[15:02:39] <gpunk> hi
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2220[15:02:46] <yogg> I try to build my own backage. For tests I added comments to my control file. From the manpage replaced-url
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2222[15:03:19] <yogg> But if I try to build the package I get parsing errors on the comment lines?
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2224[15:03:36] <stas_> hi all
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2226[15:05:09] <stas_> after changing stretch to buster I always receive that message while update or upgrade: ": replaced-url
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2228[15:05:42] <gpunk> move away /etc/apt/trusted.gpg , redo apt update
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2230[15:06:00] <gpunk> worked for me ...
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2232[15:06:11] <gpunk> (back it up)
2233[15:06:37] <gpunk> yogg acn you post your error message ?
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2235[15:09:09] <Iridos> yogg, the man page doesn't say explain anything about comments… only the example has "# Comment" on the first line. …
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2239[15:10:00] <yogg> Parsing of ".../DEBIAN/control" faild on line 0, after fieldname "#" must be a colon
2240[15:10:26] <Iridos> the only other bit of docu on control files that I see right now is replaced-url
2241[15:10:32] <Iridos> and that doesn't mention comments either
2242[15:10:34] <yogg> Iridos: ... which contains a number of fields, or comments when the line starts with '#'
2243[15:10:42] <themill> yogg: debian/control ≠ DEBIAN/control
2244[15:10:52] <yogg> ahh
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2247[15:11:30] <Iridos> uh, what's DEBIAN/control
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2252[15:12:22] <themill> Iridos: the control file you pass to dpkg-deb if you're just stuffing together a bunch of files rather than building from a source package
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2257[15:15:12] <Iridos> ah
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2259[15:15:19] <eto> hello
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2263[15:15:51] <eto> how can i get ssh-agent with -D flag support like every other frigging os on the planet?
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2271[15:17:07] <gpunk> it does
2272[15:17:27] <gpunk> under debian too
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2274[15:17:31] <eto> i am open to any suggestion - on debian box i am working with there is some stale ssh - what can i do to get reasonably modern openssh there?
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2276[15:17:48] <eto> gpunk: can you please tell me which debian "version" you are observing this on?
2277[15:17:58] <eto> i am somewhat lost in the naming
2278[15:18:04] <gpunk> oops, not stretch
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2280[15:18:27] <eto> machine reports itself as jessie
2281[15:18:38] <eto> stretch is newer or older?
2282[15:18:43] <gpunk> hold on , i am gonna check on a stretch
2283[15:18:45] <Iridos> newer
2284[15:18:46] <gpunk> newer
2285[15:18:48] <jelly> !release history
2286[15:18:48] <dpkg> Named after "Toy Story" characters. Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06), Etch(4.0; 2007-04-08), Lenny(5.0; 2009-02-14), Squeeze(6.0; 2011-02-06), Wheezy(7; 2013-05-04), Jessie(8; 2015-04-25), Stretch (9; 2017-06-17). Next: Buster. replaced-url
2287[15:18:51] <eto> thanks guys
2288[15:18:52] <Iridos> dpkg, jessie
2289[15:18:53] <dpkg> Jessie is the codename for the current <oldstable> release, Debian 8, released on 2015-04-25: replaced-url
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2291[15:19:22] <gpunk> yes in stretch too there is -D
2292[15:19:22] <eto> jelly: thank you! never occured to me those are toy story characters
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2294[15:19:28] <gpunk> (foreground mode)
2295[15:19:30] <eto> yep
2296[15:19:37] <jimbzy> eto: What do you mean by stale ssh?
2297[15:19:42] <Iridos> it should be upgraded to stretch at some time in the next half year anyway… if it doesn't also become an lts version
2298[15:19:43] <eto> on jessie there is not though
2299[15:20:02] <jimbzy> Ahh
2300[15:20:06] <jimbzy> Nevermind
2301[15:20:13] <eto> jimbzy: well i am using -D for years so i got bit triggered it doesn't work on jess
2302[15:20:24] <eto> any pointer i can do guys?
2303[15:20:30] <jelly> Iridos: jessie LTS will have support unitl April 2020 ish
2304[15:20:38] <Iridos> whee
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2306[15:20:54] <eto> can i somehow recompile stretch openssh on jessie? i really need this capability
2307[15:21:01] <jelly> coincidentally, 3.16 longterm kernel will have support until April 2020ish
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2309[15:21:16] <jelly> ,v openssh-server
2310[15:21:18] <judd> Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u2; buster: 1:7.6p1-2; sid: 1:7.6p1-3
2311[15:21:18] <gpunk> did you configure backports ? eto
2312[15:21:19] <Iridos> pff
2313[15:21:41] <jelly> ,checkbackport openssh-server --fromrelease stretch --torelease jessie
2314[15:21:44] <judd> Backporting package openssh-server in stretch→jessie/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using jessie.
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2317[15:21:57] <jelly> eto: you might definitely maybe be able to do that.
2318[15:22:12] <eto> gpunk: no clue, more of us share this machine, and i am not exactly debian guy as should be obvious by now
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2320[15:22:14] <jelly> dpkg, tell eto about simple sid backport
2321[15:22:27] <themill> ssh -D most certainly works in jessie
2322[15:22:31] <jelly> (but use stretch as deb-src, not sid)
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2324[15:22:48] <jelly> uh... ssh -D has worked since like openssh 2.0?
2325[15:22:50] <Iridos> themill, he said ssh-agent
2326[15:22:56] <TomyWork> yeah great, nothing is on this minimal debian box
2327[15:22:58] <gpunk> there is no jessie backport sorry,
2328[15:22:59] <TomyWork> except avahi
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2330[15:23:10] <eto> themill: sorry to dissapoint you but i am talking about ssh-agent -D
2331[15:23:12] <TomyWork> which promptly breaks my DNS resolution
2332[15:23:20] <jelly> TomyWork: and portmap/rpcbind probably!
2333[15:23:25] <eto> themill: observe agent at the end please
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2335[15:23:27] <Iridos> well, that's what it's there for
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2337[15:23:49] <TomyWork> jelly those dont sound familiar so they probably didnt break my DNS resolution yet :)
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2341[15:24:02] <themill> ah, missed that in amongst the discussion of "stale ssh" whatevers
2342[15:24:06] <eto> gpunk: okay but upstream openssh should compile by hand, right?
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2344[15:24:14] <gpunk> yes
2345[15:24:15] <eto> themill: ah sorry well it's whole package
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2347[15:24:38] <jelly> eto: ssh-agent comes from the same source package, openssh
2348[15:24:47] <Iridos> eto, look at the private message from dpkg… (and use stretch to backport from, not sid)
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2350[15:24:52] <TomyWork> the company has a .local in-house domain. avahi pre-empts DNS resolution for *.local, boom
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2353[15:25:05] <eto> Iridos: gpunk said there is no backport, is there?
2354[15:25:21] <eto> gpunk: okay i tried to make package for debian in the past but the process seems so complicated i always lose my way and give up
2355[15:25:21] <jelly> TomyWork: yay for Active Directory recommendations from 2000
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2357[15:25:35] <TomyWork> you know, this network is from 2000
2358[15:25:36] <eto> is there some no bullshit resource how to make debian packages?
2359[15:25:44] <gpunk> eto worse case, use chakinstall
2360[15:25:45] <TomyWork> it's probably even older
2361[15:25:54] <gpunk> checkinstall*
2362[15:25:55] <jelly> and also: yay for avahi holding hostage all the subdomains like .example.local, not just .local
2363[15:25:57] <tarzeau_> eto: i've got a great tutorial for it
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2365[15:26:13] <babilen> eto: replaced-url
2366[15:26:33] <TomyWork> jelly i'm looking for ways of stopping this madness other than uninstalling avahi
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2368[15:26:42] <eto> Iridos: one more thing if i understand it correctly backports are like when freebsd backports things, so i can run new stretch things on jessie - right?
2369[15:26:44] <jelly> eto: if you find anything less bullshity than ssb recipe, let me know
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2372[15:27:08] <eto> ssb?
2373[15:27:16] <jelly> TomyWork: remove mdns things from /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts line
2374[15:27:23] <jelly> eto: /msg dpkg ssb
2375[15:27:42] <tarzeau_> eto: replaced-url
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2378[15:28:02] <jelly> TomyWork: it's a workaround but works in a pinch
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2380[15:28:58] <TomyWork> jelly and that file isn't autogenerated?
2381[15:29:25] <jelly> correct
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2383[15:29:45] <TomyWork> hmm
2384[15:30:00] <jelly> well, it's generated at installation time
2385[15:30:04] <TomyWork> well i think i'll just uninstall it in the base image
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2390[15:31:07] <TomyWork> looks like apt-get remove libnss-mdns is enough
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2392[15:32:11] <eto> babilen: that site is such huge wall of text with so many branches - that i know now quite a lot about policies and politics of debian but i still haven't got to trying package building
2393[15:32:25] <eto> tarzeau_: thanks will try your approach
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2395[15:32:57] <tarzeau_> eto: feel free to ask if you get stuck.
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2397[15:33:08] <petn-randall> eto: The ssb factoid is maybe 200 characters long? Have you read it yet?
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2400[15:33:25] <tarzeau_> eto: you can also find my packaging stuff at replaced-url
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2404[15:34:03] <eto> petn-randall: ah i got it <factoids> are factoids right?
2405[15:34:05] <tarzeau_> eto: which software is it, you want to create a package of?
2406[15:34:15] <babilen> eto: You might want to start with the NMG, but the other resources on there are fine too
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2409[15:34:41] <petn-randall> !ssb
2410[15:34:41] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2411[15:34:41] <eto> tarzeau_: i have some of my own, and if i go manual openssh route, openssh hopefully
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2413[15:34:44] <petn-randall> eto: ^^^
2414[15:34:49] <jelly> tarzeau_: they seem to want a newer ssh-agent (= openssh-client) than what's in jessie
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2416[15:35:06] <tarzeau_> jessie? omg
2417[15:35:06] <eto> petn-randall: yep i have it 4 times in query and am walking thorugh it
2418[15:35:17] <eto> not my choice
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2421[15:36:10] <eto> thanks guys hopefully i will get to solution diving into debian resources then
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2426[15:37:13] <petn-randall> eto: A better solution might be to upgrade to the current stable, especially when you're annoyed by other software being too old. But I'm guessing somebody already suggested that.
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2435[15:40:42] <eto> petn-randall: yes, i will attempt that too, but i need discuss this with others, and we must reach consensus, i still need backup plan
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2441[15:42:45] <doubledutch> eto: When you don`t have a backup plan is the perfect time to create one... modifying your existing backup plan can be a pain, but wishing you had a backup plan when you NEED one is the lease desirable.
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2445[15:51:06] <Pr0metheus> I am trying to port a program I wrote in Windows to Linux, I compiled the dynamic libraries and the main program but when I try to run it outside of the dev env (I use Codelite) it says: ./DiadisVNG: error while loading shared libraries: libDiadisVNGLib.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory The file libDiadisVNGLib.so is inside the run path. Any idea?
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2447[15:52:38] <Pr0metheus> run path => the directory I run the program
2448[15:52:56] <eto> Pr0metheus: program needs to be "installed" on unix, eg it's parts must be spread around the whole system, each kind of it's part must be put into it's respective place
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2450[15:53:27] <Pr0metheus> eto: so I need to create an installer?
2451[15:54:20] <eto> Pr0metheus: not exactly - unlike windows - system provides "installer" itself, it manages everything on it's own for every application that is known to the system
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2453[15:54:24] <TomyWork> jelly decided to reduce the image size a bit, by purging avahi-daemon :)
2454[15:54:52] <gpunk> put libDiadisVNGLib.so in /usr/local/lib
2455[15:54:58] <gpunk> and try again to run it
2456[15:55:00] <eto> Pr0metheus: this "installer" is called "package manager" and artefact it needs to install the software is called "package"
2457[15:55:23] <Pr0metheus> eto: Is there a tool to create a package?
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2459[15:55:32] <gpunk> you might need to run ldconfig
2460[15:55:39] <eto> Pr0metheus: oh yeah, gpunk is right, you should be able to use /usr/local tree
2461[15:56:04] <eto> Pr0metheus: it's specific purpose is to allow manual, ad-hoc, installation
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2464[15:56:06] <gpunk> later on construct a package
2465[15:56:21] <Pr0metheus> ok I will try it, but please tell me which tool i can use to make a package as by this way I will be able to update the libraries
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2468[15:56:58] <eto> Pr0metheus: how big is you application, is it real or some toy? you can try building it statically too so that it carries everything in it's tummy
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2470[15:57:45] <JordiGH> Does the stretch-backports linux have the meltdown patches?
2471[15:57:55] <JordiGH> 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-amd64
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2473[15:58:17] <Pr0metheus> it's a real application, the compiled files are in total 12MB but I will continue developing it
2474[15:58:40] <jelly> JordiGH: look at its changelog, or look up the relevant CVE on security-tracker.debian.org
2475[15:59:13] <JordiGH> I was having graphical glitches with the stretch linux.
2476[15:59:46] <JordiGH> jelly: It's not her, so I'm good? replaced-url
2477[15:59:48] <JordiGH> *here
2478[16:00:40] <Pr0metheus> gpunk eto ok it runs after putting the library in /usr/local/lib - It's a real app, the compiled files (program+ .so files) are 12MB. I guess package would be nice
2479[16:01:17] <gpunk> great to hear
2480[16:01:24] <Pr0metheus> yeah thanks
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2482[16:02:17] <vahe> i need help, WARNING: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. Volume group "debian--vg" not found Cannot process volume group debian--vg
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2485[16:03:40] <doubledutch> vahe: Did you upgrade your kernel recently? Or grub?
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2487[16:04:10] <JordiGH> Is GNU/kFreeBSD dead?
2488[16:04:10] <TomyWork> doubledutch in english, a backup plan is usually not a plan for disk backups. it's rather a plan that you use if your primary plan fails.
2489[16:04:38] <doubledutch> TomyWork: I understand how it was used when he said it
2490[16:04:53] <eto> JordiGH: seems yes
2491[16:05:08] <TomyWork> vahe does "vgdisplay" list debian--vg?
2492[16:05:18] <JordiGH> ;_;
2493[16:05:22] <JordiGH> Bring back GNU/kFreeBSD!
2494[16:05:30] <JordiGH> plz
2495[16:05:48] <vahe> TomyWork: doubledutch: this message appeared after rebooting the first OS reboot replaced-url
2496[16:05:58] <eto> Pr0metheus: i am fighting with packaging myself, but i came to believe once you manage to package for debian, you will probably be able to learn packaging for everything else easily
2497[16:06:16] <doubledutch> That is fine, actually
2498[16:06:20] <doubledutch> Just unlock your encrypted drive
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2501[16:06:49] <TomyWork> inb4 someone else encrypt his drive for him :D
2502[16:06:55] <TomyWork> +ed
2503[16:07:14] <vahe> ???
2504[16:07:17] <Pr0metheus> eto: that's not very encouraging:)
2505[16:07:27] <TomyWork> vahe are you using disk encryption?
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2507[16:07:59] <vahe> TomyWork: Yes , of course there's also a photo there is
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2511[16:08:15] <vahe> TomyWork: lvm+encrypt
2512[16:08:17] <shtrb> vahe, unable to read is ok when you have LUKS
2513[16:08:34] <shtrb> it is normal, after opening it should be ok
2514[16:09:20] <vahe> shtrb: this message normal?
2515[16:09:26] <doubledutch> I actually like this, as most users first try disk encryption through the installer... it is nice that they get this and then have to look it up
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2517[16:09:45] <shtrb> kind of, this happen depending on your configuration
2518[16:09:54] <shtrb> if you unblock it , you will see all goes just fine
2519[16:09:58] <shtrb> *should go just fine
2520[16:10:02] <doubledutch> vahe: As long as you can put in your encryption password there and it works, then yes
2521[16:10:31] <shtrb> it tried to read data, but the drive (or parttions ) are encrypted so it fails
2522[16:10:37] <doubledutch> If this is new behavior or you cannot unlock your drive when you could before, or you are surprised that your disk is currently encrypted as Tomy mused, then it may be bad.
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2524[16:10:40] <pdobrogost> Hi all! I need help creating „basic“ deb package. I
2525[16:11:13] <vahe> doubledutch: if I write to you from this machine then fine :)
2526[16:11:15] <pdobrogost> I've read replaced-url
2527[16:11:29] <pdobrogost> Can someone please help me?
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2529[16:11:32] <vahe> thank you all
2530[16:11:44] <shtrb> vahe, make sure you can unlock and boot!
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2535[16:13:22] <vahe> shtrb: and how is it ? :)
2536[16:13:28] <shtrb> dpkg , what happen to /etc/pam.d/system-login
2537[16:13:29] <dpkg> shtrb: no idea
2538[16:13:38] <shtrb> vahe, what ?
2539[16:13:47] <shtrb> vahe, enter your password and click enter
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2541[16:14:03] <vahe> Yes it works I said, thanks
2542[16:14:08] <vahe> thanks all bb
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2548[16:15:13] <doubledutch> shtrb: I think he was just curious as to what the message meant, knowing that it was working
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2550[16:15:46] <shtrb> oh, but I thought my explanation was clear :-(
2551[16:15:49] <doubledutch> Which, honestly, we guided him through the happenings of it... the actual information he was looking for can be found by duckduckgo
2552[16:16:11] <Pr0metheus> pdobrogost : I started reading at replaced-url
2553[16:16:16] <shtrb> dpkg, system-login
2554[16:16:16] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, shtrb
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2556[16:16:43] <gpunk> dpkg,login
2557[16:16:43] <dpkg> gpunk: I don't know, could you explain it?
2558[16:16:55] <doubledutch> /msg dpkg
2559[16:16:58] <shtrb> What's the mount at user login config file ?
2560[16:17:00] <shtrb> thanks
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2563[16:17:47] <shtrb> I mean ,what file in /etc/pam.d/ should handle mount at login (system-login seem to be missing and I do not think it should be systemd-user)
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2565[16:18:41] <pdobrogost> Pr0metheus: Everywhere there's assumption there's Makefile. I don't have any makefile as this is a bunch of python scripts.
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2568[16:19:44] <pdobrogost> I've been googling from yesterday and I couldn't find simple instructions how to put a couple of directories into deb package… This is ridiculous.
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2575[16:23:53] <jimbzy> I thought you just setup the directory structure before rolling the deb, pdobrogost
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2588[16:28:09] <Pr0metheus> pdobrogost: how about this one: replaced-url
2589[16:28:35] <pdobrogost> Pr0metheus: I've seen this one.
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2592[16:28:44] <Pr0metheus> it doesn't work?
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2594[16:29:07] <frazr> You dont work
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2600[16:32:25] <jelly> JordiGH: sorry, security-tracker does not seem to know about backports?
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2611[16:36:41] <akinode> Hey, can anyone help me with my problem? replaced-url
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2614[16:36:53] <akinode> i got the file from the following location: replaced-url
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2619[16:37:57] <petn-randall> akinode: You might want to ask in #python, or the raspbian channel.
2620[16:38:02] <JordiGH> jelly: Yeah, I thought backports didn't get security patches?
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2622[16:38:49] <pdobrogost> Pr0metheus: It does work but is not aligned with this other source and it's kind of a "hack" I think.
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2632[16:43:14] <eoli3n> Hi
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2643[16:52:50] <colo-work> should I expect the keepalived-releases of jessie and stretch to work together? (planning a dist-upgrade of a IP HA cluster from jessie to stretch)
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2647[16:54:59] <petn-randall> colo-work: I'd check with upstream documentation if they have any requirements for being in lockstep or not.
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2650[16:55:28] <colo-work> it's what I am trying to do right now, but that information either isn't there, or I haven't found it yet :)
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2653[16:56:10] <petn-randall> colo-work: Do you have some staging VMs where you can test it?
2654[16:56:19] <colo-work> it's what I intend to do
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2662[16:59:21] <colo-work> at least the config file seem to be read/used by the new release wothout any complaints
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2673[17:05:35] <kallenp> Hi, please, any idea howto fix this "Mobile Loop detected" error with Z-Push ? replaced-url
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2687[17:09:56] <jelly> JordiGH: they're not done by debian security team, but they do get updates with patches inside every now and then.
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2696[17:12:26] <JordiGH> Maybe I just need to empirically determine if I'm affected.
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2730[17:27:50] <`Kevin> colo-work: ideally given KAD is specific to VRRP RFC I wouldnt expect any issues but given the scope regardless its something I would test
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2745[17:37:36] <de4978563> hey
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2749[17:40:02] <TehRabbitt> morning \o
2750[17:40:24] <TehRabbitt> so apparently the standard way of naming interfaces in debian "eth0, eth1" etc is gone in Debian 9
2751[17:40:36] <eck> that was deprecated years ago
2752[17:40:51] <eck> because it's not stable
2753[17:41:03] <TehRabbitt> eck, issue is, for VMs that I clone, I used to have a script that I made so I could set IPs based on eth0 vs eth1
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2755[17:41:09] <TehRabbitt> now they're *random* every time...
2756[17:41:12] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: You keep it like that if you upgrade from a release that didn't have predictable interface names, but new installations get the new method.
2757[17:41:15] <n4dir> big hurray.
2758[17:41:17] <eck> TehRabbitt: replaced-url
2759[17:41:23] <eck> they're *not* random
2760[17:41:25] <eck> that's the whole point
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2762[17:41:53] <TehRabbitt> eck, not random based on the hardware + MAC, sure... but from my prespective it is, since VMWare gives a random MAC each time.
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2764[17:41:58] <TehRabbitt> so it gets a random ID each time :P
2765[17:42:02] <eck> that page also explains how to get the old behavior
2766[17:42:04] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: You can always tell udev to name the first and only interface eth0; that's the only use case I'd say is ok to *not* use predictable interface names.
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2768[17:42:37] <TehRabbitt> i'd say 60% of the servers I deploy only have eth0... the other 40% have eth0 and eth1
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2770[17:42:53] <TehRabbitt> it's very much just to cut down on the time of having to manually edit config files.
2771[17:43:18] <eck> your vms get a new mac address every time they boot?
2772[17:43:21] <TehRabbitt> my fear is that i'll implement a work around *this* time... but with Debian 10 or something, it'll be gone for good etc.
2773[17:43:27] <TehRabbitt> eck, no, each time I clone a VM.
2774[17:43:46] <TehRabbitt> so I had a script that would run on first boot after cloning from a template file... that would ask for hostname + IP.
2775[17:43:56] <eck> (a) it is really easy to enumerate network devices, (b) you can set a udev policy or kernel parameter to get the old names if you want them
2776[17:43:56] <TehRabbitt> (also would ask for a new password, etc)
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2779[17:44:55] <TehRabbitt> issue is, with the MAC address changing each time I build a new server from that template, it gets a new interface name instead of it staying eth0
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2781[17:45:11] <TehRabbitt> so I get stuff like "ens224" "ens 192"
2782[17:45:27] <RoyK> it's not bound to the mac address
2783[17:46:04] <babilen> replaced-url
2784[17:46:18] <TehRabbitt> RoyK, I mean i'll put ti this way, the template only has a single interface. if I add a second virtual adapter, it's random and the script doesn't work anymore
2785[17:46:19] <babilen> But you really shouldn't rely on interface names .. what do you need it for?
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2788[17:46:26] <TehRabbitt> babilen, again, just deployment
2789[17:46:31] <RoyK> TehRabbitt: what sort of hypervisor is this?
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2791[17:46:38] <TehRabbitt> VMWare 5.5
2792[17:46:48] <babilen> I haven't had problems like that in deployment - What kind of script is this?
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2794[17:47:03] <TehRabbitt> babilen, one I made... just to speed creation of these damn things up
2795[17:47:06] <RoyK> thecoffemaker: hm - haven't used 5.5 for some years…
2796[17:47:15] <RoyK> TehRabbitt: erm - for you
2797[17:47:15] <TehRabbitt> (mostly because i'd get requests to build 10 servers in a shot)
2798[17:47:21] <babilen> TehRabbitt: What does it do?
2799[17:47:32] <TehRabbitt> 1 sec
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2802[17:47:53] <RoyK> TehRabbitt: I don't see this behaviour on vmware 6.5, though
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2806[17:48:32] <babilen> It sounds as if you'd much rather want to use something like SaltStack or Ansible .. Then don't hardcode interface names, but identify networks by CIDR (e.g. network.ip_addrs cide=XXXX in salt)
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2812[17:50:48] <TehRabbitt> here, replaced-url
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2814[17:51:03] <TehRabbitt> babilen, that's a huge undertaking
2815[17:51:48] <TehRabbitt> babilen, I can only take baby-steps in terms of trying to automate certain things... prior to said script, every install was from *scratch*
2816[17:52:16] <babilen> My condolences, but you might want to look into tools such as terraform/saltstack/...
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2819[17:52:47] <TehRabbitt> babilen, at that rate I might as well go full Docker + puppet etc... but again, the amount of time / overhead, I'd be here 80+ horus a week to implement.
2820[17:52:49] <babilen> fwiw, you can disable predictable interface naming, but I'd rather not hardcode those
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2822[17:53:17] <zerocool> if you make changes to /etc/exports and then do a exportfs -a, would that break the connection that servers have to the nfs server?
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2824[17:53:36] <TehRabbitt> babilen, so if you look at the script, i'm basically just deleting /etc/interfaces and recreating it.
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2826[17:54:09] <babilen> TehRabbitt: And you could automate most of that with a suitable preseed file AFAICT
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2828[17:54:15] <babilen> That would probably be the fastest approach
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2830[17:54:26] <TehRabbitt> babilen, i'm also copying in static routes depending on if it's on the DMZ or not.
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2833[17:54:31] <TehRabbitt> babilen, preseed file?
2834[17:54:43] <babilen> replaced-url
2835[17:54:56] <TehRabbitt> but that would require a full install each time, correct?
2836[17:55:02] <babilen> It would, yeah
2837[17:55:08] <TehRabbitt> yeah, that's a no-go
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2840[17:55:27] <babilen> There are many different approaches .. there's cloud-init if you want to tailor existing images to your needs
2841[17:55:35] <TehRabbitt> babilen, doing a full install takes ~15-20 minutes each time + at least an hour to set up packages / custom settings etc.
2842[17:55:46] <babilen> I literally have no idea what your constraints are and what your setup looks like, but there are tools to address these issues
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2844[17:56:22] <babilen> I'm not saying that a full install is a great thing, I'm saying that *iff* you were to perform a full install, then you can configure these things in the preseed file
2845[17:56:38] <TehRabbitt> babilen, basically, I have a pre-installed environment, with certain approved packages pre-installed etc.. the ONLY thing that changes between them are the IPs, Hostnames, and Passwords.
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2847[17:56:58] <TehRabbitt> babilen, honestly if I was doing a full install, I might as well just enter the stuff manually, doesn't save me any time :P
2848[17:57:17] <babilen> Don't you change mailserver configuration, ssh keys, ... ?
2849[17:57:27] <TehRabbitt> all of that.
2850[17:57:30] <TehRabbitt> mailserver isn't used.
2851[17:57:33] <TehRabbitt> ssh keys are. etc.
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2853[17:57:35] <TehRabbitt> if you look at the script
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2859[17:58:50] <TehRabbitt> I'll put it this way..... IPs and hostnames are kept track in a spreadsheet... there is no IPAM to pull available IPs from, things that can automate that process go out the window. that's a manual step, and will always be sadly.
2860[17:58:54] <babilen> replaced-url
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2863[17:59:12] <babilen> Either way .. feel free to disable predictable network interface naming if that's what you're after
2864[17:59:44] <TehRabbitt> babilen, my fear is if the old "eth0" will be removed in a future release completely.
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2867[18:00:00] <TehRabbitt> for instance, you can't get mysql at *all* anymore unless you get it direct from oracle.
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2872[18:00:22] <babilen> Well, there's MariaDB
2873[18:00:44] <TehRabbitt> understood, but it's caused some headaches.
2874[18:01:17] <TehRabbitt> for instance, there was a mysql connector for asterisk that was no longer available either because of it. etc.
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2876[18:01:46] <TehRabbitt> I mean again, there's work arounds, but how long will those work, etc. trying to support "legacy" stuff, eventually becomes more work
2877[18:02:00] <babilen> Which is why, at one point, you don't support that anymore
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2879[18:02:20] <TehRabbitt> exactly, but... from what I can tell, there is no easy way to set IPs anymore without first discovering the naming.
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2881[18:02:39] <TehRabbitt> which if I have to discover what it's named, I might as well remove it from the script because it takes the same amount of time to edit /etc/interfaces manually
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2887[18:04:02] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: I think VMs are here to stay, and so are the documented ways to address this. Btw, at least with libvirt Debian guests no they run virtualized, and then doesn't default to predictable interface names.
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2889[18:04:46] <TehRabbitt> petn-randall, what do you mean VMs are here to stay? I'm not arguing Virtualization, I'm just trying to find an easy repetable way to set the IP on cloned boxes.
2890[18:04:49] <TehRabbitt> without manual edits.
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2893[18:05:15] <petn-randall> TehRabbitt: There is. Have you read the docs we gave you yet?
2894[18:05:20] <eck> if only there was some way to script this....
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2899[18:06:01] <TehRabbitt> petn-randall, again, it would require config files to be built ahead of time / maintained, correct?
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2901[18:06:37] <TehRabbitt> (speaking about cloudinit)
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2905[18:07:30] <jelly> wait, cloudinit isn't packaged yet?
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2909[18:07:51] <TehRabbitt> jelly, long time no talk :P
2910[18:08:11] <jelly> oh, it has a - in cloud-init
2911[18:08:28] <TehRabbitt> petn-randall, from what I understand, cloud-init is specifically for fully automated installs, correct?
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2913[18:08:44] <TehRabbitt> it "determines" config based on the subnet assigned, etc?
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2916[18:09:42] <jelly> no idea, but you're describing policy, while cloud-init looks more like a framework
2917[18:09:56] <jelly> tias?
2918[18:10:15] <TehRabbitt> jelly, yeah... idk, i'm about to run for lunch, but basically i've been trying to figure out how to "adapt" to this new method without fully reinventing the wheel
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2922[18:10:38] <babilen> My understanding is that cloud-init does exactly what you are after, but then again: I have no idea what you are after exactly nor do I know your current setup
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2924[18:11:39] <TehRabbitt> babilen, lets say you have a VMDK Virtual disk. you copy it. you mount it as a second server. you boot it. the first thing it does is execute a script once you log in and asks you: 1.) hostname 2.) IP address 3.) new password for svradmin user
2925[18:11:42] <TehRabbitt> etc
2926[18:12:00] <TehRabbitt> it then "Generalizes" the server and assigns those 3 things where needed.
2927[18:12:20] <babilen> Doesn't that sound a lot like cloud-init to you?
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2931[18:12:51] <TehRabbitt> anywho i'll bbl... I just am trying to wrap my head around this thing. I'll check out the cloud-init thing, but I just feel like it's more work to configure each time as it looks like it wants a .cfg to be written to each time? unless I can write to that .cfg via a script?
2932[18:13:33] <TehRabbitt> babilen, i'll check it out a bit further, tbh i've never worked with it so it's a bit alien to me / not fully understanding the concept.
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2950[18:18:00] <shtrb> ,v jumpnbump
2951[18:18:01] <judd> Package: jumpnbump on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.50+dfsg1-3; jessie: 1.51+dfsg1-2; stretch: 1.51+dfsg1-2+b1; buster: 1.60-2; sid: 1.60-2
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2956[18:21:20] <sebboh> Can I get `apt-cache search` to print the version of packages, along with the package name and short description that it normally prints?
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2958[18:22:50] <n4dir> isn't that what "apt-cache show " does ? (well: only for one package, sure, but i mean the info you ask for)
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2964[18:24:24] <sebboh> n4dir: apt-cache show does show the package version. But I'm looking for something that lists the package name and package version on the same line ... like `dpkg -l` does. But I want to see this information from the apt cache.
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2973[18:26:32] <sebboh> oh maybe I should go look in the actual apt cache... Oh, it's binary. `pkgcache.bin: APT cache data, version 12.0, little-endian, 75620 packages, 114463 versions`
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2979[18:29:22] <jelly> sebboh: it should be easy to postprocess apt-cache show output with awk or perl or something to get the output you desire
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2982[18:29:56] <jelly> or use aptitude's format and search functionality
2983[18:30:58] <sebboh> jelly, the apt-cache show output is multi-line and the fields vary from package to package.
2984[18:31:20] <petn-randall> !goal
2985[18:31:20] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2986[18:31:24] <sebboh> my awk-fu is above average, but...
2987[18:31:27] <jelly> sebboh: Package: and Version: are always there, aren't they?
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2994[18:34:16] <n4dir> looks like the short description "apt-cache search" shows is the first line of the long description "apt-cache show" shows ?
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2997[18:35:10] <sebboh> you all could have just said "no, apt-cache doesn't do that and we're not aware of any tool that does" and I would have started writing this sooner: for i in `apt-cache search qemu|awk '{ print $1 }'`; do echo -n "$i: "; apt-cache show $i |grep ^Version; done
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2999[18:35:21] <n4dir> so one would want "Package" ; "Version" and "Description-en", first line of that.
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3002[18:35:56] <sebboh> that shows the versions of packages that `apt-cache search qemu` returns.. I don't actually need the description.
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3010[18:37:05] <sebboh> the actual goal was "Hm, this project says it requires qemu version x.y.z or better. Does my debian machine have that? I know that qemu is made out of multiple packages. I should check the version of all of them."
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3020[18:38:52] <jelly> sebboh: don't check all of them, check just one
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3022[18:39:40] <nathamanath> #debian
3023[18:39:41] <jelly> qemu is split into many binary packages, built from the same source package and all have the same version
3024[18:40:25] <shtrb> you can download the text based package desc and grep it
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3028[18:42:23] <jelly> sebboh: unless your mirror is broken, you'll always have matching qemu, qemu-system, qemu-system-* etc versions available
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3031[18:43:09] <petn-randall> Even if the mirror was broken, the signatures wouldn't match. So there's never a way you'd get non-matching qemu packages.
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3042[18:46:34] <jelly> sebboh: see also: grep-aptavail (dctrl-tools)
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3044[18:47:50] <jelly> grep-aptavail -rP '^qemu$' -sPackage,Version
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3053[18:49:08] <pdobrogost> Does someone know how to suppress build step when creating deb package?
3054[18:50:16] <shtrb> remove the rule for clean , just call the debian/rules binary ?
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3066[18:53:33] <pdobrogost> The solution was to add override_dh_auto_build: ; to debian/rules.
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3070[18:54:24] <pdobrogost> I'm not calling debian/rules myself; I'm calling dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
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3074[18:57:25] <Druid_> How can I install debian on a USB? I don't want to create an installation usb, I want the whole operating system in the usb without using another CD/USB for installing.
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3081[18:59:04] <petn-randall> Druid_: You can install Debian to a USB drive just like you'd install to HDD; it will be quite slow though.
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3084[19:00:03] <Druid_> petn-randall: but I'm assuming I'll require 2 usbs. One for installation and other for the OS
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3087[19:00:41] <jim> hi, something you should probably know about: replaced-url
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3089[19:00:58] <petn-randall> Druid_: yes
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3091[19:01:11] <Druid_> I think raspbian has that a solution for that.
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3093[19:01:28] <Druid_> They only require the SD card. They have an .img file with the OS
3094[19:01:29] <petn-randall> Druid_: If you have a Debian system already installed, you could also debootstrap a system onto the USB drive, but that involves more manual work.
3095[19:01:44] <Druid_> I'm on windows.
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3097[19:02:01] <Druid_> and I don't have another USB
3098[19:02:12] <SuperTramp83> jim: I doubt very much people here use 'Shlome'..
3099[19:02:35] <shtrb> Druid_, you can install debian on a usb from windows
3100[19:02:56] <Druid_> shtrb: but that will be the installation drive, right?
3101[19:03:07] <shtrb> setup Virtualbox, and pass usb inside , start d-i and when choosing destination click back and then select the usb device
3102[19:03:22] <shtrb> If you wish to install debian on a usb I mean
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3104[19:03:28] <shtrb> you can install on any media this way
3105[19:03:37] <Druid_> oh didn't think of that. Thanks shtrb
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3107[19:04:18] <shtrb> np
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3109[19:04:36] <jim> SuperTramp83, and it's a good chance the extensions mentioned in the article are in the debian archives...
3110[19:04:37] <shtrb> Maybe you can do that without virtualbox, I find vbox the easist way
3111[19:05:00] <Druid_> I've been using 2 usbs to do that the whole time.
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3114[19:05:25] <jim> or rather, are -not- in the archive
3115[19:05:38] <SuperTramp83> jim: there is #debian-offtopic, let's move it there
3116[19:06:03] <jim> that's it anyway... people should know
3117[19:06:13] <sebboh> jelly, thanks for telling me about grep-aptavail! shtrb, hm, perhaps. petn-randall and jelly, sorry, I didn't know all the qemu packages came from a common source package. Does a new version of one package never get uploaded before the others? Why not? Does the answer to this line of questions depend on which release I'm using?
3118[19:06:52] <greycat> When the qemu source package is (re)built after patching, all of its binary packages are built together, and released to the mirrors together.
3119[19:07:03] <greycat> Whether you want it or not.
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3121[19:07:41] <greycat> (It's particularly bad for things like wesnoth, where there's an actual game package with software in it, and various media packs with just songs/graphics, and an update to the game forces a rebuild of the media packages.)
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3135[19:17:05] <DammitJim> is there a way to see if a mount has been used?
3136[19:17:10] <sebboh> greycat: er, that is surprising. This is due to the nature of some automated build system, then? Is it not still possible for any arbitrary file to become a "package" (well, not truly aribtrary of course, I'm sure it has to meet some criteria...) And I'm sure a game package could be configured to depend on the -data package version > x.y.z...
3137[19:17:17] <DammitJim> like a samba mount I have set up to another server?
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3139[19:17:31] <sebboh> DammitJim: The other server may have logs.
3140[19:17:40] <DammitJim> oh, good point!
3141[19:18:29] <greycat> ,info wesnoth-music
3142[19:18:31] <judd> Package wesnoth-music (games, optional) in stretch/amd64: music files for Wesnoth (metapackage). Version: 1:1.12.6-1; Size: 1.0k; Installed: 6k; Homepage: replaced-url
3143[19:18:38] <greycat> oh, that must be a meta-package
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3145[19:19:11] <greycat> Maybe they changed it in the newer releases of Debian. It's been a while since I played it.
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3148[19:20:00] <sebboh> greycat: that's fine. well I have some vague feeling that the topic of 'reproducible builds' could help wesnoth folks, but, I don't play it either. :) They'll be fine.
3149[19:21:05] <greycat> ,info wesnoth-1.12-music
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3151[19:21:07] <judd> Package wesnoth-1.12-music (games, optional) in stretch/amd64: music files for Wesnoth (branch 1.12). Version: 1:1.12.6-1; Size: 140397.8k; Installed: 142053k; Homepage: replaced-url
3152[19:21:20] <greycat> It's absolutely ginormous.
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3154[19:22:07] <greycat> And the wheezy version, for example, is at version 1:1.10.3-3+deb7u2 which (you can tell by the deb7u2 part) means it's rebuilt every time the game package is touched.
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3161[19:25:44] * jelly gives greycat a 10TB disk and offers size expectation adjustments
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3163[19:26:02] <jelly> a game with just 150MB download is SMALL
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3166[19:26:40] <greycat> But re-downloading the *exact same* 150 MB worth of *.ogg files just because the game got a patch....
3167[19:26:43] <jelly> (sure, lack of binary delta is annoying, but typical patches on my PS4 games are like 1GB each)
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3170[19:27:33] <babyflakes> i like how flatpak does it (git style with ostree)
3171[19:27:47] <babyflakes> incremental atomic updates
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3173[19:28:25] <jelly> that's nice and I wonder how they scale the download servers
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3175[19:28:49] <jelly> just drop git objects on any cdn?
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3188[19:35:29] <pdobrogost> Does someone know why isn't DESTDIR defined when override_dh_auto_install target is called? (replaced-url
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3204[19:43:36] <valerius> is there a command in GDB, to input/output to I/O ports? Can't find such command.
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3207[19:45:40] <Sansar> Hello, I am using dropdown terminal of xfce4, but I can't find any option to make it always on top. Is there a way to do it?
3208[19:46:06] <s0nou572> hi,
3209[19:46:09] <s0nou572> replaced-url
3210[19:46:15] <s0nou572> need help!
3211[19:46:35] <greycat> valerius: if no one answers here, ##workingset may know
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3213[19:47:24] <valerius> greycat is that some dev channel?
3214[19:47:41] <greycat> "/topic ##workingset"
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3217[19:48:45] <valerius> greycat ok
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3231[19:53:38] <SuperTramp83> s0nou572: I think it's the same issue as described here -> replaced-url
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3254[20:09:05] <JordiGH> Aw, crap, the backported linux doesn't have meltdown patches.
3255[20:09:15] * JordiGH sighs.
3256[20:09:26] <JordiGH> but the stable linux has horrible graphical glitches for me.
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3268[20:14:50] <SuperTramp83> JordiGH: Are you sure about that? AFAIK the kernels in the backports repository receive security updates.
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3271[20:15:09] <greycat> Eventually. Usually. Maybe.
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3274[20:15:35] <hexhaxtron> Anyone interested in a free Debian SSH account?
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3276[20:15:52] <Shmam> free debian ssh?
3277[20:15:56] <Shmam> what does that mean?
3278[20:15:59] <JordiGH> SuperTramp83: Compiled and ran this: replaced-url
3279[20:16:06] <SuperTramp83> hexhaxtron: I'm interested in free beer :)
3280[20:16:18] <JordiGH> I kind of wonder if it's precisely the meltdown patches that give me graphical glitches.
3281[20:16:20] <hexhaxtron> Free as in free beer!
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3283[20:16:30] <JordiGH> SuperTramp83: I got in the output "this really works" which I take it to mean I'm vulnerable.
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3285[20:17:00] <Shmam> So I installed a .deb file. How do I uninstall it? The guide said to use your package manager but I can't find it with `apt remove`
3286[20:17:15] <greycat> Shmam: dpkg --remove, or dpkg --purge
3287[20:17:28] <Shmam> dpkg --remove doesn't have it either
3288[20:17:28] * dpkg rips the still-beating doesn't have it either from shmam's chest, leaving shmam in a coma.
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3290[20:17:38] <Shmam> oof
3291[20:17:49] <shtrb> Shmam, apt doesn't see the full name of the .deb you need to remove foo-123.deb to foo
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3293[20:18:15] <Shmam> so do I need to cd to downloads first (that's where my deb file is)
3294[20:18:20] <greycat> No.
3295[20:18:21] <shtrb> no
3296[20:18:38] <JordiGH> SuperTramp83: On my other machine, which is patched, the PoC gets SIGILL.
3297[20:18:38] <greycat> Just specify the package name (which is just PART of the file name) to dpkg --remove.
3298[20:18:41] <shtrb> it would be either foo or foo-123 (if the 123 is part of the name)
3299[20:18:45] <JordiGH> Fuck.
3300[20:18:46] <Shmam> so then `sudo apt remove synergy_2.0.4.stable_b1205+fcb59be4_amd64`
3301[20:18:51] <JordiGH> I don't want graphical glitchy linux...
3302[20:18:54] <greycat> in that case, the package name is "synergy".
3303[20:19:05] <greycat> everything from the first _ to the end is not part of the package name
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3305[20:19:10] <Shmam> so `sudo apt remove synergy`
3306[20:19:16] <shtrb> yes
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3308[20:19:34] <Shmam> oh thats pretty cool
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3310[20:19:49] <Shmam> so if I install a new version then it will know that it's the same program and replace it
3311[20:19:56] <SuperTramp83> JordiGH: Hmm, Buster's kernel still unpatched too. Maybe use Sid and make it your ful time work? :P
3312[20:19:57] <shtrb> correct
3313[20:20:01] <greycat> ,v synergy
3314[20:20:02] <judd> Package: synergy on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.8-2; wheezy-backports: 1.4.16-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.16-1+deb8u1; stretch: 1.4.16-2; buster: 1.8.8-stable+dfsg.1-1; sid: 1.8.8-stable+dfsg.1-1
3315[20:20:08] <SuperTramp83> *full
3316[20:20:13] <greycat> The real question is why you are using outside packages of things that are already in Debian.
3317[20:20:28] <jelly> Shmam: if you plan on installing a newer version, you do not need to remove this one first. You install a newer version.
3318[20:20:31] <JordiGH> brb rebooting to glitchy graphics
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3320[20:20:46] <jelly> just* install a newer version
3321[20:20:54] <Shmam> last time I was here, I was told that my debian machine had turned into a "franken debian" but they didn't offer any solutions, they just said that I needed to reinstall debian. Is this true?
3322[20:21:14] <greycat> how would we know? you haven't given any details yet.
3323[20:21:18] <jelly> depends on what happened for them to tell you that
3324[20:21:44] <greycat> the fact you're installing random .deb files from around the world is a bad sign
3325[20:21:59] <SuperTramp83> ^
3326[20:22:45] <Shmam> so I accidentally downloaded java from jessie while I am on stretch
3327[20:22:47] <DerLGm> Just because it's a .Deb does not mean it's safe
3328[20:22:53] <Shmam> followed a shitty online tutorial
3329[20:23:05] <greycat> Jesus, man, stop downloading files.
3330[20:23:24] <greycat> Use apt-get to install the things that your version of Debian already provides.
3331[20:23:27] <DerLGm> greycat: sraly
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3333[20:23:29] <Shmam> yeah, I'm trying to clean things up. going through everything that I downloaded and installed
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3335[20:24:09] <DerLGm> Shmam: depending on what and how much you installed, you might be better off reinstalling the distro
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3338[20:24:46] <Shmam> Is there any way to check the installed packages and see which are installed from jessie? I dont think there should be very many
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3340[20:24:59] <greycat> Nope. Unless the version number *happens* to contain deb8.
3341[20:25:44] <Shmam> this is what I found when I did `sudo apt list | grep deb8`
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3343[20:26:08] <Shmam> replaced-url
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3351[20:29:00] <ompaul> Shmam: pastebin the contents of apt policy
3352[20:29:02] <ompaul> please
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3354[20:29:33] <Shmam> replaced-url
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3356[20:30:07] <Shmam> why does polychromatic say ubuntu xentyal?
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3359[20:30:29] <ompaul> best guess that is what it was built against
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3362[20:30:38] <ompaul> so who knows what it wants / drags around with it
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3365[20:30:53] <Shmam> ok. is that something to be concerned about?
3366[20:31:56] <ompaul> explain this, what were you trying to achieve with polychromatic?
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3369[20:32:31] <Shmam> It has software that lets me control my keyboard. replaced-url
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3372[20:33:08] <ompaul> even if I had that keyboard I'd find a different way to control it
3373[20:33:19] <ompaul> manual or not at all
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3375[20:33:38] <Shmam> why? what's wrong with it?
3376[20:33:44] <tacegory> any ideas when the patches mentioned in this message will come to stable? replaced-url
3377[20:34:07] <ompaul> you don't know when you go to update / upgrade later what it may work with or fail horribly with
3378[20:34:14] <ompaul> most likely the latter
3379[20:34:34] <Shmam> I mostly use the default mode on my keyboard so I dont mind removing it
3380[20:34:42] <Shmam> should I also remove openrazer daemon?
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3382[20:35:05] <ompaul> it came from a ppa and ppa's are not your friend - you are not running ubuntu
3383[20:35:12] <ompaul> back to your list
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3385[20:35:48] <Shmam> can you explain why a ppa is bad? Is it an ubuntu specific feature? if so, why does their install guide for debian say to use it? replaced-url
3386[20:36:01] <greycat> !ppa
3387[20:36:01] <dpkg> [ppa] Personal Package Archive (see replaced-url
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3391[20:37:13] <Shmam> oh.... so basically just dont use ppa on debian if you want a secure system. got it.
3392[20:37:20] <Shmam> now how do I remove this ppa?
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3394[20:37:35] <greycat> undo whatever you did to add it
3395[20:37:35] <JordiGH> Hm, maybe I'm wrong.
3396[20:37:35] <Shmam> apt remove polychromatic
3397[20:37:43] <JordiGH> The basic demo here seems to work: replaced-url
3398[20:37:46] <JordiGH> Even with the stable linux.
3399[20:37:47] <greycat> it's either in sources.list or in sources.list.d/*.list
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3403[20:38:44] <ompaul> what is with the node.js situation
3404[20:38:57] <ompaul> what is your level of commitment to it
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3406[20:39:02] <DerLGm> ompaul: there's an os
3407[20:39:08] <JordiGH> And this says the backported linux has the patch? replaced-url
3408[20:39:09] <DerLGm> ompaul: NodeOS
3409[20:39:20] <ompaul> why do I feel ill
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3411[20:39:41] <Shmam> so remove anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ that has polychromatic in it? they seem to be .save files
3412[20:39:46] <JordiGH> At least the backport version is higher than what's there.
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3415[20:39:58] <ompaul> Shmam: apt remove packagenamegoesherefirst
3416[20:39:58] <JordiGH> Blegh, how are y'all checking if you're vulnerable?
3417[20:40:14] <greycat> By running apt-get update and apt-get upgrade every day.
3418[20:40:22] <Shmam> yeah I already removed polychromatic, do I have to remove the ppa?
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3421[20:40:51] <ompaul> Shmam: to prevent someone asking you why that some other day I'd say yes
3422[20:41:00] <Shmam> ok 1 sec
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3425[20:41:43] <Shmam> so we still have some weird stuff
3426[20:41:47] <SuperTramp83> JordiGH: AMD here, so I'm *only* vulnerable to spectre, which btw will **never** be fixed :D
3427[20:42:03] <Shmam> should I remove openrazer too? that's the daemon that runs under polychromatic
3428[20:42:09] <SuperTramp83> but that's ok too, I like dangerous life
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3430[20:42:38] <ompaul> Shmam: what is with your node.js stuff? what level of commitment ... do you need to step outside of debian? apt search node | less might help you discover more things
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3432[20:42:49] <ompaul> Shmam: I would
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3434[20:43:04] <ompaul> Shmam: these may leave artifacts lying around
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3438[20:43:29] <JordiGH> SuperTramp83: I wish I could get a straight answer if the backported kernel has patches or not.
3439[20:43:42] <Shmam> ok, I'm just afraid that it will break something
3440[20:44:12] <Shmam> we can do nodejs in a sec, I just want to get keyboard cleaned up right now. one step at a time
3441[20:44:22] <ompaul> Shmam: you might, these things are not usually in the mix. So understanding what went on may be a little more difficult than you imagine
3442[20:45:04] <ompaul> Shmam: after all complexity comes from simplistic things interacting with each other
3443[20:45:57] <SuperTramp83> JordiGH: it appears it wasn't. On the page you linked there is no mention at all of 'backports', or am I missing something?
3444[20:46:23] <ompaul> Shmam: if the machine seems unstable after these alterations, set up a new user and see if they have problems, if they don't most likely your issues are with the profile you currently have
3445[20:46:46] <Shmam> well I'll leave it for now and take note about that and if I have more problems, I'll remove it
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3447[20:47:01] <JordiGH> SuperTramp83: Yeah, backports aren't considered for security at all, are they? It doesn't say if it's patched or secure. But the version number is higher than sid.
3448[20:47:16] <JordiGH> Er, matches sid.
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3452[20:47:37] <Shmam> so NodeJS
3453[20:47:45] <Shmam> I kindof need it for the dev work that I do
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3455[20:48:05] <SuperTramp83> JordiGH: Honestly I don't know, I thought at least the kernel in backports always got sec updates, but as greycat pointed out 'sometimes, maybe , etc'
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3457[20:48:30] <greycat> ,kernels
3458[20:48:31] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc8-686 (4.15~rc8-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.13-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.3-686-pae (4.14.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-backports:
3459[20:48:32] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
3460[20:48:50] <ompaul> Shmam: apt search node.js | less <<< that should help you a bit if you want to stay in the walled garden of Debian, however be aware you could have artifacts lying around
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3465[20:49:15] <JordiGH> Blegh, let me ask in d-devel
3466[20:49:25] * JordiGH heads over to good ol' OFTC
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3468[20:49:38] <annadane> don't go to OFTC, you may never return
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3470[20:49:46] <Shmam> so what am I looking for in this list? there's a lot of info here
3471[20:49:49] <SuperTramp83> Shmam: you can try this -> replaced-url
3472[20:49:57] <Shmam> yeah I have nvm installed
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3475[20:50:27] <SuperTramp83> Shmam: no need to give it SUDO. It will install everything locally. I point it out as it would appear you like to give sudo to random software :P
3476[20:50:37] <ompaul> annadane: I've coexisted on both networks for years. It can be done.
3477[20:50:46] <SuperTramp83> so...? Install node
3478[20:50:56] <Shmam> SuperTramp83: yes, yes I do.
3479[20:51:00] <Shmam> node is installed
3480[20:51:08] <Shmam> 8.7.0
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3483[20:51:46] <SuperTramp83> Shmam: 9.3.0 here
3484[20:51:57] <SuperTramp83> I believe that is the latest stable
3485[20:51:57] <Shmam> nice!
3486[20:52:00] <Shmam> o
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3488[20:52:32] <Shmam> 9.4.0 is latest stable
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3494[20:53:25] <Shmam> so just `nvm install 9.4.0` then `nvm use 9.4.0` and `nvm alias default 9.4.0`?
3495[20:53:25] <Shmam> anything I missed?
3496[20:53:29] <SuperTramp83> oh.. need to upgrade then.
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3498[20:54:22] <SuperTramp83> nvm install stable
3499[20:54:38] <SuperTramp83> npm install -g npm
3500[20:54:45] <SuperTramp83> that's all afaik
3501[20:55:03] <Shmam> cool npm is now updated along with node
3502[20:55:18] <Shmam> So what else is broken/outdated/for the wrong version of debian
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3509[20:59:33] <ompaul> Shmam: it may behave well. I'm curious why you felt the need to run 386 and amd64 at the same time
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3512[21:00:23] <Shmam> Where am I running 380 and amd64? Everything should be amd64 for a 64 bit intel processor right?
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3514[21:00:34] <ompaul> you have i386 repos there
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3516[21:01:17] <ompaul> check the output of your paste of apt policy
3517[21:02:01] <Shmam> so this 500 replaced-url
3518[21:02:02] <Shmam> release o=Node Source,n=stretch,l=Node Source,c=main,b=i386
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3520[21:02:15] <Shmam> how do we get rid of that?
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3522[21:02:27] <greycat> grep -r nodesource /etc/apt
3523[21:02:29] <Shmam> is apt policy just a log of what you have installed from apt?
3524[21:03:07] <greycat> no
3525[21:03:08] <ompaul> no, it tells you what repos are installed with some additional data
3526[21:03:27] <Shmam> ok
3527[21:03:36] <Shmam> here's the log of that grep: replaced-url
3528[21:03:37] <ompaul> it is, if you like, what apt you installed ... so where you could have gone to get things
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3530[21:04:02] <ompaul> Shmam: apt update && apt upgrade and see if you have many things to update
3531[21:04:07] <ompaul> don't press y yet
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3535[21:07:57] <Shmam> weird stuff from apt update: replaced-url
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3540[21:10:43] <Shmam> so should I just remove like 28 from sources.list?
3541[21:10:51] <Shmam> line*
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3546[21:11:29] <greycat> how on earth do you have that many lines in sources.list
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3550[21:12:19] <Shmam> comments
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3552[21:12:29] <Shmam> I put in a bunch of comments to remember what things that I've added are for
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3555[21:14:10] <Shmam> so should I remove line 28? also that's the line for google chrome
3556[21:14:15] <Shmam> and the last line in my sources.list
3557[21:14:37] <greycat> google chrome adds its own separate FILE in sources.list.d/
3558[21:14:57] <Shmam> ok so I'll remove that now
3559[21:16:27] <Shmam> ok `sudo apt update` seems to be fine now
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3561[21:17:04] <Shmam> `sudo apt upgrade` shows that everything is up to date
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3571[21:22:13] <Shmam> ompaul: What next? `apt upgrade` shows that everything is up to date
3572[21:22:32] <greycat> Go to sleep? Wash dishes? Read a book? Watch a movie?
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3576[21:22:59] <Shmam> no I mean for fixing my franken debian lol
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3580[21:24:25] <blackslide> I remember having a franken debia also, I don't remeber if ift was audio "DAW" sw or something else, that was only written in i386
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3584[21:24:56] <blackslide> so I had amd64 and i386 repos side by side, but since I only installed stuff from the i386 repos, "by hand" it worked fine
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3586[21:25:13] <ompaul> Shmam: if it works ok - if not tarball your home dir and make a clean box
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3589[21:25:40] <Shmam> nothing is broken rn. I just want to clean things up before it gets bad
3590[21:25:55] <blackslide> I mean, 1: uncomment i386 repo > 2: apt update > 3: apt install what you need > 4: uncomment i386 > 5: apt update.. worked every time..
3591[21:26:14] <blackslide> 4: comment repo, of course...
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3593[21:26:44] <tempate> Hello. I have an audio issue. Every time I reboot my computer audio fails to work on start up. I currently have a hack in which I go to Settings>Audio>Test Speakers, test them and open some muted music video to get the whole thing going. I imagine this is not the correct way to do things. After a while, 3-4 hours, it works correctly. I'm using Debian 9.2. Can anyone help me out?
3594[21:26:55] <blackslide> I don't know what it might do if you had and64 and i386 uncommented and ran apt update && apt upgrade...
3595[21:27:10] <blackslide> amd... time for some shut eye...
3596[21:27:54] <blackslide> hmm.. I'm using DAW sw on my debian and using jack messes up pulse audio every time
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3600[21:28:03] <Shmam> so ima leave the node stuff but what about this? "100 replaced-url
3601[21:28:08] <blackslide> I think I added a line somewhere to start pulse
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3605[21:28:33] <ompaul> Shmam: no real harm - but it is strange in and of itself
3606[21:28:33] <Shmam> it's not in my sources.list so idk where it came from
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3610[21:29:03] <ompaul> sources.list.d/something.list << a directory deeper
3611[21:29:11] <ompaul> unknown list
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3616[21:30:56] <Shmam> all of the *.list files have debian 9 and amd64. none of them are i386
3617[21:31:00] <ompaul> Shmam: the problem is that if you remove a repo and don't take out the stuff that is associated with it then you might not upgrade
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3623[21:31:42] <Shmam> wont `apt remove *` remove the stuff associated with the repo?
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3625[21:31:53] <greycat> whhhaaat
3626[21:32:09] <ompaul> Shmam: grep -r i386 /etc/apt
3627[21:32:19] <greycat> apt remove * will expand all the filenames in $PWD and treat them as package names try to remove them
3628[21:32:20] <ompaul> also short answer no
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3633[21:32:34] <Shmam> nonononono *=package name
3634[21:32:42] <greycat> * is not a valid package name
3635[21:32:45] <blackslide> hehe
3636[21:32:47] <Shmam> I can see why * was a bad idea
3637[21:32:47] <ompaul> Shmam: don't say that
3638[21:32:58] <Shmam> I mean `apt remove PACKAGE`
3639[21:33:00] <Shmam> looool
3640[21:33:01] <ompaul> apt remove package_name
3641[21:33:01] <blackslide> apt remove "not-needed-pkg"
3642[21:33:03] <greycat> will attempt to remove that package
3643[21:33:04] <blackslide> hehe
3644[21:33:13] <Shmam> ok yes
3645[21:33:15] <tempate> I don't mean to be rude, but can someone help me out, please?
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3647[21:33:26] <Shmam> grep -r i386 /etc/apt returns nothing
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3649[21:33:35] <mtn> tempate: just ask your question
3650[21:33:50] <blackslide> I'm sorry, tempate: I just can't seem to remember where I put that line to force pulseaudio on startup
3651[21:34:10] <tempate> mtn: I did.
3652[21:34:10] <blackslide> I just added it to be run automagically and sound has worked ever since..
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3654[21:34:15] <mtn> tempate: oh, I see it now. have you tried using pavucontrol?
3655[21:34:24] <tempate> nope, I haven't.
3656[21:34:59] <tempate> I've mostly tried with alsamixer, it's what most people online recommended.
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3658[21:35:19] <blackslide> umm, modern systems mostly use pulseaudio nowdays
3659[21:35:24] <mtn> tempate: pavucontrol is the tool to fix your pulse audio settings
3660[21:35:29] * greycat hugs his non-modern system
3661[21:35:30] <blackslide> so pavucontrol should be used
3662[21:35:34] <blackslide> :D
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3665[21:35:53] <blackslide> yes, back in the alsa days, I had no problems using jackd and alsa
3666[21:36:03] <tempate> mtn: alright, let me see if I can make it work.
3667[21:36:07] <blackslide> pulse and jack don't mix well... at least on my sys
3668[21:36:25] <tempate> I don't understand why Debian always has so many audio issues. I have them wherever I go, it's odd.
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3676[21:39:04] <Muyfret> replaced-url
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3709[21:49:45] <blackslide> hmm...
3710[21:49:46] <tempate> mtn: trying to fix it with pavucontrol. Not sure at all what I'm supposed to do.
3711[21:49:51] <blackslide> !dpkg lvm_tutorial
3712[21:49:51] <dpkg> IBM developerWorks article on LVM2 (2007): replaced-url
3713[21:50:13] <blackslide> borked link
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3720[21:51:16] <blackslide> maybe this would be better > replaced-url
3721[21:51:34] <blackslide> or not...
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3729[21:53:58] <kolnpole> what is bus error?
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3731[21:54:49] <kolnpole> some softwares i used before worked fine .. but now when i try to execute them they give bus error
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3733[21:55:07] <kolnpole> what could be causing it?
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3738[21:57:24] <blackslide> some programs is quite vague
3739[21:57:30] <bolt> kolnpole: probably some component that's supposed to be on the bus that's not reponding as it should?
3740[21:57:48] <bolt> kolnpole: care to elaborate on what software this would be, and what you're trying to do with it?
3741[21:57:52] <blackslide> if you run a progrtam and give it's output, it'd be easier to help
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3743[21:57:56] <blackslide> program...
3744[21:58:05] <kolnpole> its lite coin and monero waller
3745[21:58:07] <kolnpole> wallet
3746[21:58:23] <kolnpole> when i execute them they exits and gives bus error
3747[21:58:26] <bolt> did you switch graphics cards? one not working? are you mining?
3748[21:58:40] <kolnpole> no im not mining
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3750[21:58:53] <kolnpole> but by laptop fall , can it be issue?
3751[21:59:12] <bolt> perhaps, if it relied on something that's no longer attached...
3752[21:59:32] <bolt> not sure what such a program would require that involves directly communicating with some bus the system isn't already using
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3754[21:59:37] <bolt> ..except for graphics cards
3755[22:00:02] <greycat> usually it means you tried to access memory in an unaligned way, or outside of your process's allowed segments, or something
3756[22:00:32] <kolnpole> im not even mining so it is just using cpu .. and hard disk thos both seems to work fine as im using irc on same machine
3757[22:00:37] <bolt> that also seems like a weird thing for a wallet to do
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3759[22:00:59] <kolnpole> bolt, yes thats what i was also thinking
3760[22:01:02] <Shmam> I'm gonna go. Thanks to everyone that helped me today! I really appreciate it!!!
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3763[22:01:19] <ajeet> hi all
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3765[22:01:57] <greycat> "a bus error is a fault raised by hardware, notifying an operating system (OS) that a process is trying to access memory that the CPU cannot physically address: an invalid address for the address bus, hence the name."
3766[22:02:11] <ajeet> can anybody tell nice themes for debian 9 gnome
3767[22:02:13] <greycat> usually a corrupted pointer variable
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3769[22:02:33] <greycat> if none of those words mean anything to you, then "it's a bug in your program"
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3772[22:03:15] <kolnpole> greycat, yes i have read it on google, but still dont make sense what a waller have to do with it ..
3773[22:03:37] <greycat> the wallet program has a bug in it, most likely
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3777[22:03:58] <kolnpole> was working fine before i droped my laptop
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3779[22:04:26] <greycat> In that case I begin to suspect a hardware problem ("it's broken").
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3782[22:04:42] <greycat> You could check that your RAM chips are properly seated, and didn't come loose. That's about it.
3783[22:05:06] <kolnpole> i see..
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3785[22:05:15] <kolnpole> thanks.
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3787[22:06:03] <kolnpole> btw still wierd why my other things are working .
3788[22:06:18] <kolnpole> btw ill get it checked that it have lose connections or things
3789[22:06:19] <blackslide> umm, can I create a partition that has a size of 0kb in the lvm?
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3792[22:07:02] <blackslide> I removed swap, resized other partitions to take over the space, and now I have a read-only system since it can't find the swap partition @ boot... :D
3793[22:07:39] <blackslide> So, if I could just create a "dummy" partition with the same name and mount it, would that maybe work?
3794[22:08:01] <blackslide> or, well, you don't mount swap... but anyhow.
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3796[22:09:34] <blackslide> I monitored my ram usage and it never got past 4Gb so I assumed having 8Gb of RAM is enough, why do I have to have 16GB of swap.. on an SSD... and removing it felt like the right thing to do. Apparently it borked the lvm/fs..
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3800[22:10:02] <blackslide> to add some complication, the lvm is encrypted..
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3809[22:11:35] <blackslide> I've tried to remove all references to debs--vg-swap1 but for some reason it keeps looking for it at startup
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3811[22:12:14] <greycat> then it's either in fstab, or it's in your initrd image
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3814[22:13:01] <blackslide> it's not in fstab, how do I "rebuild" initrd with the new fs config?
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3821[22:13:32] <blackslide> also, the system seems to ignore /etc/fstab
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3824[22:14:29] <greycat> hmm.... there's an /usr/sbin/update-initramfs but I don't know if that's right
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3827[22:16:31] <blackslide> aha! thanks, I think you led me the right way :)
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3838[22:19:03] <blackslide> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume -only line says RESUME=blabla--vg-swap1
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3842[22:19:38] <greycat> Ah. Laptop voodoo.
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3844[22:20:53] <blackslide> now, do I need to boot into "single user" to be able to mv resume > resume.old && initramfs-update?
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3849[22:24:40] <blackslide> hmm, update-initramfs -cuv -k 4.9.0-5-amd64 at least built a new one... lets see...
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3855[22:27:18] <blackslide> too good to be true :D
3856[22:27:42] <blackslide> cryptsetup finds 4 active partitions and tries to "resume" swap1..
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3866[22:33:18] <Mad_Alisa> Hello everybody! who wants to talk?
3867[22:34:10] <greycat> #debian-offtopic
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3876[22:36:55] <blackslide> At the moment I've got such a virgin system, that maybe it's better to backup my home folder, and start from scratch. setting up partitioning the right way from the start...
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3909[22:50:36] <jehorn> Good day everybody
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3928[23:00:48] <lucas-arg> any good and easy way to run android apps in debian?
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3936[23:05:27] <varaindemian> strong points of debian over ubuntu?
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3939[23:07:31] <chachasmooth> I've replied to an issue via reportbug, how long does it take for my reply to show up on bugs.debian.org?
3940[23:07:46] <chachasmooth> is the mailing list moderated?
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3962[23:16:45] <sigimac> anyone know of a really fast 9.3 cinnamon + nonfree mirror?
3963[23:17:08] <sigimac> I've tried several and can't one that has a decent speed. 11 hours... :(
3964[23:17:32] <ompaul> sigimac: and your speedtest.net tells you what about your own line?
3965[23:17:59] <sigimac> Im gigabit
3966[23:18:29] <sigimac> 1000Mbps
3967[23:19:01] <sigimac> and 500Mbps up
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3970[23:19:34] <sigimac> I just downloaded a 1.5 gig file in about the time I took my trash out
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4001[23:41:32] <SuperTramp83> verboese: it never shipped opt-out spyware? :P
4002[23:41:44] <SuperTramp83> erm, varaindemian ^
4003[23:41:49] <SuperTramp83> sorry verboese
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4016[23:47:35] <iflema> oh... ive only 30 and 10
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4018[23:48:04] <iflema> oh oh 30 and 15
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