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17 [00:04:01] <Ironhorde> Hi, is there any VNC program with GUI in Debian?
18 [00:04:10] <webbb> hmm, I rsync files to windows ntfs disk and the filenames contain colons
19 [00:04:21] <webbb> it won't be possible without renaming, right?
20 [00:04:22] <webbb> damn
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41 [00:12:09] <donofrio__> anyone here use "Debian noroot" on android? I have it installed (says it is taking up 900mb) but I cannot get past this permission issue ;( replaced-url
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49 [00:15:35] <Arahael> donofrio__: That's a lot of contortions just to get to a bash prompt. Why not use one that just provides the terminal?
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53 [00:16:50] <Arahael> donofrio__: Also... Having a permission issue, why not *check what those permissions are*?
54 [00:16:51] <donofrio__> Arahael, trying to get full gui on the desktop (I mean phone) (my daily driver is tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk so I'm on the configuing xfce4 and the like but for my adroid device
55 [00:17:06] <donofrio__> oh yah here is the message....one moment...
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64 [00:18:09] <Arahael> What am I looking at there?
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67 [00:19:15] <Arahael> donofrio__: In general, using the linux GUI on the phone is a super awkward, frustrating ordeal. I find it's better to just use a command line, even on the phone.
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71 [00:20:21] <Arahael> (Goes without saying that the regular UI on the phone is even better, but that isn't Debian...)
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73 [00:21:05] <webbb> I would really love to see a very very basic opensource material UI for android
74 [00:21:17] <webbb> just the basics, browser, youtube, email, contacts, phone, sms
75 [00:21:19] <donofrio__> here is sill of issue - replaced-url
76 [00:21:37] <Arahael> webbb: E17 might, posssibly, help, at least as far as the toolkit is concerned.
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78 [00:22:07] <Arahael> donofrio__: That's the same error. What was the permission?
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80 [00:22:48] <Arahael> donofrio__: ls -lah /var/lib/dpkg
81 [00:22:58] <Arahael> donofrio__: Also, have you tried creating that directory yourself?
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89 [00:29:05] <donofrio__> Arahael, replaced-url
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91 [00:29:35] <donofrio__> once I get this working I gotta get that pasteinit going on this device lol
92 [00:30:24] <Arahael> donofrio__: Or you could use a regular terminal. But anyway...
93 [00:31:05] <Arahael> donofrio__: Hmm, your permissions look fine. There may be another restriction inherent in your environment.
94 [00:31:30] <Arahael> donofrio__: Report it as a bug to that android application maintainer.
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99 [00:34:14] <donofrio__> ok was hoping someone else here used this setup
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114 [00:47:29] <sangy> I was running the netinstall and installed the DE by accident. Is there a metapackage that I can remove to make it a headless machine again?
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118 [00:48:52] <farruinn> sangy: Maybe approach it the other way - remove something that all of the DE packages will depend on, like xserver-xorg or whatever.
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122 [00:51:18] <sangy> farruinn: i can definitely give that a try. I was just making sure that was an ok way to go :)
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124 [00:51:27] <sangy> oh, and thanks!
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133 [00:56:13] <annadane> de's as installed via the installer are task-foo-desktop, generally, i think
134 [00:56:35] <annadane> and then apt autoremove
135 [00:56:41] <annadane> not sure if that works however
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153 [01:11:42] <Mac2018> #flood /msg dpkg guidelines
154 [01:11:51] <jhutchins> on restarting apache on stretch, I get "DefaultRuntimeDir must be a valid directory".
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164 [01:17:12] <jhutchins> It seems like apache isn't reading /etc/apache2/envvars
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178 [01:22:56] <notadrop> is there a default password for debian live systems?
179 [01:23:07] <notadrop> or just some common ones I haven't thought of?
180 [01:23:14] <notadrop> nvm :)
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182 [01:26:16] <mandeep> webbb: i ended up converting to jpeg then embedding in an odt. thanks for the suggestion
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232 [01:53:04] <zerocool> i am dding a drive via ssh to my pwd and im doing ls and it's not showing size... any way i can stat the .img?
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308 [02:36:30] <teatime> zerocool: I don't know why ls wouldn't show the size; it should. Does it show 0, or did you like, pre-allocate it? --progress option to dd may be helpful; if you forgot to do that you can send the dd process SIGUSR1 and it will print one-off status line
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319 [02:39:19] <WorldLegion> /root/IRCIP/IPGrabber.pt
320 [02:39:20] <WorldLegion> /root/IRCIP/IPGrabber.py
321 [02:39:39] <WorldLegion> that was ... erm... posted wrongly
322 [02:39:45] <WorldLegion> ignore that
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324 [02:39:54] <teatime> :/
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326 [02:40:33] <WorldLegion> the shit don't work none the less
327 [02:40:48] <WorldLegion> It's something I was bet on another IRC
328 [02:40:51] <WorldLegion> and it don't work
329 [02:41:23] <teatime> This is a place where people will volunteer their time to help you actually learn something of value. Please don't be lame or grief here.
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334 [02:43:22] <WorldLegion> I just chill here
335 [02:43:34] <WorldLegion> I have no intention of griefing or trolling
336 [02:43:43] <WorldLegion> I have other IRC's for that
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384 [03:08:20] <TakWah> hi, how can I ftp into an /usr/sbin/nologin account? or how can I force files in a certain directory to a certain group owner?
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391 [03:11:36] <teatime> TakWah: I don't know much about ftp, I consider it obsolete. to change group of a directory and everything under it, you can down `chgrp -R groupnamehere /path/to/directory`. if you set a directory setgid (`chmod g+s /path/to/directory`), files created in that directory will have the group of the directory by default, rather than the creating user's group.
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394 [03:12:22] <teatime> TakWah: if you'd like to allow someone to transfer files to/from the system without them having a shell login, you can use the rssh package to restrict their access to only SCP (without other SSH)
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397 [03:12:56] <teatime> TakWah: (scp and sftp have replaced ftp and ftps for me, wherever and whenever possible.)
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400 [03:14:17] <TakWah> teatime: I understand the sftp, but it's not an exposed box, and atm I am not sure what deamon is even running, as I couldn't find it in ps -faux
401 [03:14:50] <teatime> I use scp not just because it's more secure, but also because it's easier to administer
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403 [03:15:03] <TakWah> teatime: That chmod g+s sounds interesting as a solution to what I need, thank you.
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407 [03:16:33] <TakWah> teatime: does the g+s thing introduce a privilege escalation issue? Like I said it's not important in this case, just to understand the implications?
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413 [03:18:19] <teatime> on directories, rather than executables, no. it just causes files created in that directory to inherit the group (and directories will inherit g+s). by default; this can be overridden manually by the file owner, or by the FTPd configuration, etc.
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416 [03:19:20] <teatime> if the directory has g+w and all your people are in the same group so they can collaborate on the files, they will be able to delete (and recreate under the same name w/ different content) stuff owned by other users, inside that directory
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421 [03:20:50] <TakWah> okay, thanks, seems like that solves my problem.
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424 [03:22:52] <TakWah> just to understand that right g+s means 2*** and g+w means **4* ?
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427 [03:23:52] <teatime> 4 is read; 2 is write; 1 is execute
428 [03:23:55] <teatime> for the right-hand 3 columns
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430 [03:24:43] <teatime> correct on setgid
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433 [03:25:22] <teatime> 4 = setuid (which I don't think does anything on directories, not sure), 2 is setgid, 1 is sticky (which does affect directories)
434 [03:25:36] <TakWah> oh okay, i see, I never used the + syntax, so the witht the numbers, I now know that I got you right.
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438 [03:27:17] <cef> TakWah: the advantage of the + and - syntax is that you can change just that specific permission on large groups of files, without affecting the remaining permissions. It's very powerful so worth figuring out. :D
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441 [03:27:43] <TakWah> oh, wow, I never thought about it that way, makes sense.
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443 [03:28:49] <teatime> TakWah: like, just earlier, I mentioned how `chmod -R ug=rwX,o=rX` (with the capital X's) replaces a traditionally annoying find command, to properly set permissions on a directory hierarchy
444 [03:28:59] <teatime> +X will set the executable bit, on files that already have it, and directories.
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450 [03:31:23] <TakWah> found the ftpd btw, ps -faux didn't report it as it is only started once you make an connection and it's an open-ssh/sftp ;)
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452 [03:32:03] <teatime> sftp != ftp / ftps :) ftps is ftp + ssl; sftp is SSH's ftp equiv
453 [03:32:30] <TakWah> oh
454 [03:32:52] <teatime> replaced-url
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458 [03:34:44] <cef> FWIW: OpenSSH on Windows works for SFTP, but no user isolation stuff, so you can access pretty much everything. ftps(sl) is a pain through firewalls. Unlike straight ftp, your firewall can't monitor to see what extra ports ftps wants to transfer stuff over. :/
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460 [03:35:55] <cef> Just had to deal with both those today, cos some idiot decided to redeploy stuff on Windows/IIS from what was a debian box. :/
461 [03:36:02] <teatime> ooouch.
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463 [03:37:18] <cef> was sort of forced on them by Azure too.. which is annoying cos I thought Azure at least would support Linux hosts. Anyway. Drifting off topic.
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484 [03:47:58] <TakWah> teatime: works like a charm, have drwxrwsr-x minidlna minidlna and it creates files as -rw-r--r-- someuser minidlna ;)
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487 [03:48:10] <teatime> !next
488 [03:48:10] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
489 [03:48:18] * teatime hasn't got to use that one before ;)
490 [03:48:20] <TakWah> and all that without adding /usr/sbin/nologin to shells as some boards suggested ;)
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492 [03:49:22] <teatime> TakWah: now that you know you're using sftp, you can use the rssh to lockdown users to e.g. just scp & sftp, if you don't want them to be able to actually logon
493 [03:49:27] <TakWah> I am especially happy because dlna is somewhat black magic to me, every device has it's own opinion on what standard it should adhere too and nothing ever works ;) just my milage though.
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498 [03:50:48] <engine40> hi! is there a particular kernel build that is optimized for crypto mining?
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501 [03:51:11] <teatime> TakWah: if you mean to /etc/shells, yeah that'd be the opposite of something you'd want :)
502 [03:51:22] <TakWah> ;)
503 [03:51:47] <TakWah> @rssh: yep, that's more like it ;)
504 [03:52:07] <TakWah> and it's really cool
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519 [03:57:18] <TakWah> What are good network themes, beside greek deities and planets?
520 [03:57:48] <teatime> lol. Rivers of Earth, like the runabouts on DS9!
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525 [04:00:32] <cef> ships (fact and fiction), planets (fact and fiction), characters from films (prob best to avoid Toy Story for obvious reasons ;)
526 [04:01:11] <cef> oops, films and books
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528 [04:01:36] <TakWah> @DS9 never noticed
529 [04:02:01] <TakWah> what's so bad bout toystory?
530 [04:02:13] <teatime> it's where debian release names come from :)
531 [04:02:28] <cef> TakWah: might cause confusion with debian release names. ;)
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534 [04:03:04] <TakWah> oh, guess I never watched it enought to recognize that ;)
535 [04:03:20] <cef> TakWah: leads to silly things like "Hey what debian release is squeeze running?" "stretch with backports". could get confusing. ;)
536 [04:03:41] <TakWah> ;)
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538 [04:04:29] <cef> Like prob best to avoid many animal names if you're running Ubuntu anywhere. ;)
539 [04:04:38] <teatime> TakWah: sid is the kinda scary kid who breaks all the toys
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545 [04:07:36] <TakWah> wasn't that more of a CMOS thing?
546 [04:07:41] <TakWah> jk
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578 [04:30:23] <cef> Also probably best to avoid Intel processor names. That's just an issue waiting to happen. ;)
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583 [04:31:56] <zerocool> know if a qcow2 will expand past the size i give it when i create it?
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589 [04:34:26] <csmall> I'm trying to change the gdm3 background image in Debian by following the wiki article but no matter what I try it doesn't work as written. Can anyone tell me the correct way to change the gdm3 background?
590 [04:35:44] <csmall> Modifying the greeter conf file and running dpkg-reconfigure gdm3 doesn't do anything.
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596 [04:37:55] <teatime> zerocool: dunno if you saw my message earlier; if you send dd a SIGUSR1 it'll print status (or you can use --progress)
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599 [04:38:49] <zerocool> teatime: nice, thanks! i ended up killing that transfer because im a wussy but that's good to know when i go to try it again
600 [04:38:57] <zerocool> also, it is teatime right meow
601 [04:38:58] <zerocool> :)
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611 [04:45:00] <cef> csmall: you created /etc/gdm3/greeter.conf with the appropriate options? can you pastebin somewhere?
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614 [04:48:41] <csmall> cef: replaced-url
615 [04:49:12] <cef> csmall: also, is the file world readable? From memory gdm3 doesn't tend to run as root anymorecan run with very few permissions in many cases.
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617 [04:49:40] <csmall> cef: I chmod 777 the image file
618 [04:49:53] <csmall> cef: nothing I try works
619 [04:49:59] <cef> 666 should be fine.
620 [04:50:07] <csmall> cef: ok
621 [04:50:14] <teatime> 644.
622 [04:50:19] <teatime> you don't world-writable :)
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624 [04:50:34] <teatime> *want
625 [04:51:06] <cef> teatime: woops.. yes indeed.
626 [04:51:26] <csmall> I set to 644
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628 [04:51:53] <cef> csmall: you've tried just the no background option to see if it's using the file?
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630 [04:52:05] <csmall> cef: No, not yet.
631 [04:52:26] <cef> csmall: and that file is /etc/gdm3/greeter.conf - not something else?
632 [04:52:53] <csmall> /etc/gdm3/greeter.dconf-defaults
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635 [04:53:14] <cef> that's the defaults file. copy it to /etc/gdm3/greeter.conf
636 [04:53:20] <csmall> ok
637 [04:53:44] <cef> then restart gdm3 and it should work
638 [04:54:38] <csmall> Here goes nothing
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640 [04:54:46] <cef> gl
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719 [05:25:06] <cef> gah.. seems gdm3 gets it's files now from /var/lib/gdm3/*, not from /etc/gdm3/* (eg: greeter-dconf-defaults, etc).
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721 [05:25:25] <cef> wonder if csmall worked it out?
722 [05:26:33] <Arahael> /buffer 3
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825 [06:37:52] <awal1> .
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839 [06:49:39] <awal1> "apt-cache depends pkgname" recursively?
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846 [06:54:07] <pingfloyd> awal1: apt-rdepends if you want recursive
847 [06:54:28] <pingfloyd> *a recursive listing
848 [06:55:48] <awal1> pingfloyd, you mean "apt rdepends" and that is for reverse dependencies :P
849 [06:56:02] <themill> no, pingfloyd means apt-rdepends.
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852 [06:56:52] <themill> Note that by the time you have alternative dependencies (foo | bar) and virtual packages, the recursive list gets pretty useless pretty quickly.
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856 [06:58:14] <awal1> I don't see apt-rdepends
857 [06:58:21] <awal1> which man is that?
858 [06:58:31] <themill> man apt-rdepends
859 [06:58:53] <awal1> man apt-rdepends No manual entry for apt-rdepends
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861 [06:59:33] <awal1> I am on sid
862 [06:59:43] <themill> I'm assuming that you don't have all 52k packages installed.
863 [07:00:04] <awal1> for sure no
864 [07:00:23] <awal1> you are kidding guys or...?
865 [07:00:51] <themill> If someone suggests a tool and you don't have it installed, what comes next?
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869 [07:01:24] <awal1> ok, apt search found it
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871 [07:01:38] <awal1> it is curious
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873 [07:01:49] <awal1> I thought you was kidding, sorry
874 [07:02:06] <awal1> why the hell apt-rdepends if we already have apt/apt-cache
875 [07:02:21] <themill> because you want something different
876 [07:02:35] <awal1> hm, it may be interesting / useful if it is there...
877 [07:02:47] <awal1> different no, I just want something working good :P
878 [07:03:00] <themill> apt-cache dotty might also be what you want
879 [07:03:15] <awal1> that is what I usually use yeah
880 [07:03:28] <themill> or --recurse
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883 [07:05:08] <awal1> I know, yet but ok. well, i'll install apt-rdepends and check what it does exactly
884 [07:05:12] <awal1> thanks guys
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886 [07:06:06] <awal1> apt is supposed to be 1 uniffied tool for apt-get and apt-cache as I read somewhere in debian sites; but now -rdepends, -mark...
887 [07:06:16] <awal1> not complaining here, just commenting :P
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889 [07:06:43] <themill> there are 50 different apt* packages and no, no-one is claiming that apt unifies them all
890 [07:07:02] <awal1> I may be wrong
891 [07:07:30] <themill> they're written in every different language imaginable too
892 [07:08:12] <themill> apt is designed to be a simple to use end-user tool, not to unify. Having a bazillion different commandline options is the opposite of what is wanted
893 [07:08:26] <pingfloyd> awal1: apt is for beginners
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895 [07:08:35] <themill> um, no
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897 [07:08:42] <pingfloyd> awal1: apt-* is for those of us that know what we want to do
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899 [07:09:16] <awal1> pingfloyd, I prefer apt-get/cache and aptitude
900 [07:09:26] <pingfloyd> it's a frontend to simplify apt tools
901 [07:10:11] <pingfloyd> awal1: then apt-rdepends is one many tools you will want installed
902 [07:10:21] <pingfloyd> apt-file is another good to have around
903 [07:10:27] <pingfloyd> especially if you compile a lot
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905 [07:10:30] <awal1> yep
906 [07:10:41] <pingfloyd> apt-mark is another must have
907 [07:10:47] <awal1> :)
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909 [07:10:56] <pingfloyd> that really how you many dependencies
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911 [07:11:08] <awal1> well, to much apt-... ( I have them all
912 [07:11:09] <pingfloyd> mark what you care about as manual and let apt figure out the rest
913 [07:11:25] <pingfloyd> i.e., let apt do what it was made to do
914 [07:11:39] <awal1> aptitude is my favorite, anyway
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916 [07:11:53] <pingfloyd> I've used aptitude in the past
917 [07:12:00] <awal1> well, all util, depending on goal
918 [07:12:00] <pingfloyd> the tui is nice sometime still though
919 [07:12:09] <pingfloyd> like when you have to crack a really entangled dependency snafu
920 [07:12:43] <pingfloyd> I mostly use apt-* because it is quick and direct
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922 [07:13:30] <awal1> but sometimes it gives up regarding dependencies, it just "pass" without advice
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924 [07:14:42] <pingfloyd> having the apt frontend (program named 'apt') does make things a bit more confusing to communicate though, because before it the implication was you mean things like apt-get, apt-cache, etc. when you said 'apt'.
925 [07:15:01] <awal1> right :P
926 [07:15:05] <pingfloyd> (the apt suite)
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929 [07:18:23] <awal1> apt-rdepends interesting
930 [07:18:34] <awal1> we have smart dd's ;)
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934 [07:21:03] <darxmurf> morning
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949 [07:35:40] <drew1> I am getting: the following packages have been kept back: linux-image-amd64 when doing apt-get upgrade
950 [07:35:49] <drew1> should I be using a different linux image package?
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952 [07:36:23] <kopper> !bat
953 [07:36:23] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
954 [07:36:29] <kopper> Omg it works
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1004 [08:14:00] <vahe> hi, when you connect the usb Android tablet does not see , what can I do?
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1007 [08:14:46] <vahe> I have gentoo and USB sees , but Debian does not see 9
1008 [08:15:17] <klys> vahe, tried #android ?
1009 [08:15:24] <vahe> I think it is because usermod , how to check?
1010 [08:16:03] <vahe> #android there will not help
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1026 [08:24:09] <vahe> not working Android transfer MTP have an idea?
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1028 [08:24:51] <toolz> hello, I am trying to remove an unused md raid device but it seems it has as a member an active device which I do not want to remove, can anyone gimme a hand please? here is mdstat: replaced-url
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1030 [08:24:57] <toolz> I want to remove md127
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1034 [08:25:49] <elliot007> vahe: this might help replaced-url
1035 [08:26:25] <toolz> details: replaced-url
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1051 [08:31:53] <vahe> elliot007: thanks, i try
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1073 [08:41:27] <vahe> friends who have not connected the phone to the computer ?
1074 [08:42:32] <vahe> Yes, I installed mtpfs jmtpfs gmtp mtp-tools
1075 [08:42:43] <vahe> no result
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1078 [08:44:49] <mahe> vahe, try the libmtp* packages in conjunction with gvfs-backends
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1083 [08:46:57] <Gekko> I'm trying to patch 4 kernel modules required by librealsense, and I'm getting "videobuf2_core: disagrees about version of symbol v4l_vb2q_enable_media_source" when modprobing the newly compiled modules in. I've documented the whole process here: replaced-url
1084 [08:47:03] <Gekko> kernel modules earlier, and what I do is essentially adapted from Ubuntu notes
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1087 [08:47:18] <Gekko> stock debian 9
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1091 [08:49:03] <vahe> yes! thanks mahe :)
1092 [08:49:05] <vahe> work
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1095 [08:49:32] <klys> gekkko, usually that would mean you need to recompile the rest of your kernel..
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1097 [08:49:37] <Gekko> ah :)
1098 [08:49:40] <Gekko> Fun
1099 [08:50:20] <Gekko> I was under the impression it's possible to jam in patched kernel modules as long your headers are right / the old configs are in
1100 [08:51:08] <klys> well if your headers are right and it doesn't reconfigure or select something that wasn't previously selected.
1101 [08:51:21] <Gekko> Right
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1103 [08:51:48] <klys> then you can do modprobe -f
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1105 [08:52:40] <Gekko> Suppose I'll try a full rebuild
1106 [08:52:55] <klys> and if that doesn't work then yes you should recompile. see replaced-url
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1116 [08:56:08] <shtrb> Should xpra under debian support the option start-desktop (or something like that) ?
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1153 [09:20:26] <pax_rhos> hello
1154 [09:20:50] <shtrb> hello
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1156 [09:20:55] <pax_rhos> debian on a ooooold netbook (Acer Aspire One AOA110). After updating the system - the wifi stopped working.
1157 [09:21:07] <pax_rhos> wicd-client just says no networks are found
1158 [09:21:27] <pax_rhos> whenever I hit 'refresh' - it just blinks the wifi led a few times and that's it
1159 [09:21:28] <shtrb> Can you see the device with lspci / lsusb ?
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1161 [09:22:03] <shtrb> did you make sure that the firmware (atheros ? ) is installed
1162 [09:22:21] <pax_rhos> shtrb: yes, 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR242x / AR542x Wireless Network Adapter (PCI-Express) (rev 01)
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1165 [09:23:00] <shtrb> check in dmesg for missing firmware (or failed to open)
1166 [09:23:33] <pax_rhos> shtrb: `dpkg -l | grep firmware` lists amd64-microcode, firmware-amd-graphics, firmware-linux-free, firmware-linux-nonfree, firmware-misc-nonfree, intel-microcode
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1168 [09:23:53] <pax_rhos> as far as I remember I had to install something from the non standard repo to make wifi work
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1176 [09:25:57] <shtrb> dmesg| grep frimware
1177 [09:26:10] <pax_rhos> nothing
1178 [09:26:22] <shtrb> there shld be something like acerhk (or maybe my acer was older than yours )
1179 [09:26:38] <shtrb> if you do ifconfig -a do you see the device ?
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1181 [09:27:09] <towo^work> dmesg | grep frimware will never show anything
1182 [09:27:20] <towo^work> dmesg | grep -i firmware maybe
1183 [09:27:29] <pax_rhos> there is `acer_wmi: Acer Laptop ACPI-WMI Extras` followed by `acer_wmi: Blacklisted hardware detected - not loading`
1184 [09:27:55] <pax_rhos> towo^work: spot on!
1185 [09:28:13] <pax_rhos> ACPI: [Firmware Bug]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
1186 [09:28:41] <pax_rhos> shtrb: ifconfig -a lists eth1, lo and wlan1
1187 [09:29:08] <shtrb> I was expecting something else such as missing file, but if acer_wmi and acpi bug there might somethign more than just a missing package
1188 [09:29:30] <pax_rhos> so what should I do?
1189 [09:30:01] <shtrb> if you stop the wifi client (wicd-client) and do iwlist wlan1 scan do you get any results ?
1190 [09:30:18] <shtrb> ifconfig wlan1 up && iwlist wlan1 scan
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1192 [09:30:28] <pax_rhos> replaced-url
1193 [09:30:38] <pax_rhos> "This is a warning that the BIOS has implemented OSI(Linux) and the kernel ignores this, and reports this message. It can be ignored"
1194 [09:31:20] <pax_rhos> shtrb: SIOCSIFFLAGS: operation is forbidden because of RF-kill
1195 [09:31:35] <shtrb> ah ok , you need to unblock it
1196 [09:32:11] <engine40> Hi, does anyone here into crypto mining using Debian?
1197 [09:32:35] <shtrb> rfkill list to identify it, and rfkill unblock XX
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1199 [09:32:51] <pax_rhos> hard blocked
1200 [09:32:54] <pax_rhos> not soft blocked
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1202 [09:33:27] <shtrb> move your wifi state to off and on using the button on the laptop
1203 [09:33:31] <pax_rhos> `rfkill unblock 0` did nothing
1204 [09:33:57] <pax_rhos> shtrb: that might be the problem
1205 [09:34:05] <pax_rhos> I remember that there were issues with the button
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1207 [09:34:18] <pax_rhos> can I programmatically force it to set to ON state?
1208 [09:34:31] <shtrb> I had an issue once with an HP device that you had to move it to OFF and ON once in a while
1209 [09:34:41] <shtrb> I have no idea
1210 [09:35:04] <Borw3> I get auto reboot whenever I shutdown any OS including debian ever since linux moved from kernel 3.9, my wifi rt3290 signal is also week.
1211 [09:35:15] <shtrb> sometimes the firmware has a file system that you can set 1 or 0 on state
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1216 [09:35:50] <pax_rhos> the thing that the device has a slider button that you slide from A to B and the spring then moves it back to A
1217 [09:36:01] <pax_rhos> so you do the same action to turn on and to turn off
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1221 [09:36:35] <pax_rhos> err, Ctrl+w
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1223 [09:36:50] <pax_rhos> shtrb: how'd I find which file to look at?
1224 [09:36:59] <shtrb> If you move once does the rfkill show other state
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1228 [09:37:45] <pax_rhos> no
1229 [09:37:48] <pax_rhos> nothing changes
1230 [09:38:48] <pax_rhos> and wicd-client's on/off button only changes the soft blocked state
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1233 [09:40:34] <shtrb> does echo options ath9k no_hw_rfkill_switch=Y > /etc/modprobe.d/ath5k.conf helps ?
1234 [09:40:42] <shtrb> if that's ath9k
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1266 [09:49:29] <shtrb> pax_rhos , can you also see if dmesg | grep -i ath give you something usefull
1267 [09:49:48] <pax_rhos> AR5007EG
1268 [09:49:55] <simpledat> replaced-url
1269 [09:49:57] <pax_rhos> Atheros AR5007EG
1270 [09:50:10] <pax_rhos> that's the name of my wi-fi module
1271 [09:50:24] <pax_rhos> does it belong to ath9k?
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1273 [09:50:51] <shtrb> simpledat, someone is trying to annoy you, just block all DCC on your IRC client
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1275 [09:51:26] <pax_rhos> shtrb: some irc clients just work this way, not like people try to annoy someone else
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1277 [09:51:39] <pax_rhos> those are service messages, they should be ignored
1278 [09:51:43] <simpledat> shtrb: How do I block all DCC?
1279 [09:52:03] <shtrb> pax_rhos, I'm surprised that there are client that initate DCC
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1283 [09:53:38] <shtrb> simpledat, in your favorite IRC client you have an ignore command , something like ignore * CTCP DCC
1284 [09:53:53] <shtrb> Assuming you do not use DCC
1285 [09:53:58] <simpledat> I use irssi
1286 [09:53:58] <pax_rhos> shtrb: there are only 4 files in /etc/modprobe.d and none of them are ath*, should I create one?
1287 [09:54:31] <pax_rhos> shtrb: some clients send it when you open user's info
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1289 [09:54:53] <shtrb> pax_rhos, you are either under 5 or 9 replaced-url
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1295 [09:56:10] <shtrb> simpledat, /ignore * DCC and /ignore * CTCPS might do the trick (but I didn't use irssi for a while)
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1297 [09:56:30] <shtrb> simpledat, but as pax_rhos said it might be legit use
1298 [09:57:02] <simpledat> I dont know the user
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1306 [09:57:51] <shtrb> If you are not normally using DCC / CTCP it can be seen as a privacy enhencment to block it
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1313 [09:59:03] <pax_rhos> `modprobe -r -f ath5k && sleep 5s && modprobe ath5k && rfkill list` did unset hard blocked!
1314 [09:59:29] <shtrb> :)
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1316 [09:59:37] <pax_rhos> thanks shtrb!
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1319 [10:00:30] <shtrb> dpkg , 'hardware block' is 'use option modulename no_hw_rfkill_switch=Y'
1320 [10:00:31] <dpkg> shtrb: what are you talking about?
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1322 [10:00:41] <shtrb> 'hardware block' is 'use option modulename no_hw_rfkill_switch=Y'
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1324 [10:00:54] <shtrb> dpkg, hardware block is use option modulename no_hw_rfkill_switch=Y
1325 [10:00:54] <dpkg> okay, shtrb
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1327 [10:01:38] <pax_rhos> doing reboot to see if things persist
1328 [10:01:40] <shtrb> pax_rhos, np , but now you need to understand how you did into the issue to begin with
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1330 [10:01:55] <shtrb> your leds might not work anymore because of dead wmi
1331 [10:01:59] <pax_rhos> shtrb: os update led to that
1332 [10:02:11] <pax_rhos> also, right after debian install - I had the same issue, afair
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1334 [10:02:19] <pax_rhos> I can't remember how I solved it that time
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1336 [10:03:30] <pax_rhos> another thing that bothers me is that after loading the system - everything is frozen for about a minute: I get black desktop instead of wallpaper with icons, but I have toolbar with debian button
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1339 [10:03:43] <pax_rhos> but clicking it does nothing until everything unfreezes
1340 [10:04:00] <shtrb> pax_rhos, check if you switching to vt1 and vt7 unfreezes it
1341 [10:04:08] <pax_rhos> how?
1342 [10:04:21] <shtrb> ctrl+alt F1 and then ctrl+alt F7
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1346 [10:05:12] <shtrb> there was an X bug some time ago that moving to a different X repainted everything correctly
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1351 [10:05:37] <Darcidride> Hi everyone, I installed ansible 2.4.2.0 from my package manager (apt / debian Buster), but when execute 'ansible --version' it seems like im' using a 2.4.0.0 version... Is it a normal behavior ? replaced-url
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1358 [10:07:37] <pax_rhos> ctrl+alt+F1 has some errors. `ACPI Error: [CAPB] Namespace lookup failure, AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20160831/dsfield-211)` `ACPI Error: Method parse/execution failed [\_SB.PCI0._OSC] (Node Loading, please wait...` `irq 18: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)` `handlers:` `[<f84fe400>] usb_hcd_irq [usbcore]` `Disabling IRQ #18` `/dev/sda1: clean, 124999/448800 files 1659629/1794048 blocks`
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1360 [10:08:57] <babilen> Darcidride: You should see "ansible 2.4.2.0" there, maybe you have an old Python library lying around?
1361 [10:09:30] <Darcidride> babilen, i can confirm im using 2.4.0.0 because the pipeline error is still here, i needed to set a env variable to workaround it replaced-url
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1365 [10:10:55] <pax_rhos> shtrb: no, it didn't fix it
1366 [10:10:58] <Darcidride> babilen, actually, i can confirm my ansible executable in /usr/bin/ansible is using 2.4.0.0 and not 2.4.2.0, and when im executing a playbook i've the pipeline error, so it's 2.4.0.0 for sure
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1368 [10:11:59] <babilen> Darcidride: Does "/usr/bin/ansible --version" give you the same?
1369 [10:12:07] <babilen> Ah, yeah ..
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1371 [10:12:20] <JustASlacker> his python version is newer than mine, and Im on 2.4.2
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1376 [10:13:20] <babilen> Darcidride: Could you open a Python REPL and execute "import ansible" and then "ansible.__file__" please?
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1381 [10:14:08] <Darcidride> /usr/bin/ansible --version => 2.4.0.0 as i said
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1383 [10:14:26] <Darcidride> babilen, yes i can try
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1387 [10:15:13] <Darcidride> babilen, it tells me : '/home/xxx/.local/lib/python2.7/site-packages/ansible/__init__.pyc'
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1394 [10:16:11] <babilen> Darcidride: That's a local installation, not the one that comes with the Debian package
1395 [10:16:30] <babilen> (depending on how you installed that, you might want to remove it)
1396 [10:17:25] <Darcidride> well, im going to purge it, i already reinstall the package with apt but didn't do anything
1397 [10:17:36] <babilen> Fair enough :)
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1409 [10:23:42] <Darcidride> babilen, purge wasn't enough, i dkpg remove it then, and remove all .local files that point to ansible, then it after a apt install is works with the new version of ansible
1410 [10:23:48] <Darcidride> babilen, thank you for your help
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1471 [10:50:24] <Gekko> klys: Recompiled the kernel, patched modules work fine. Thanks
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1490 [10:58:57] <klys> gekko, yw.
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1499 [11:02:15] <epicmetal> Is it a bad idea to share /home between Debian and Fedora (dual-boot laptop)?
1500 [11:02:42] <JustASlacker> should not
1501 [11:02:51] <JustASlacker> should not make much trouble
1502 [11:02:53] <epicmetal> i.e. from the Debian side. The only thing I can think of is SELinux xattrs being a problem
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1505 [11:03:02] <epicmetal> (a problem for Fedora)
1506 [11:03:04] <shtrb> epicmetal, If you are using the software it would be okish
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1508 [11:03:20] <klys> epicmetal, are you running the same version of gnome?
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1512 [11:03:56] <shtrb> *the same software not A software
1513 [11:03:59] <Iridos> epicmetal, probably. Configuration files in $HOME will differ for different versions. It's often not fatal, but… expect weirdness
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1519 [11:05:18] <epicmetal> klys: no, different version of GNOME
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1523 [11:06:24] <epicmetal> Iridos: you know of weirdness from experience or just an educated guess?
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1525 [11:06:38] <Iridos> one version of the software may try to upgrade to newer config files… which the older one can not read
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1527 [11:06:41] <Iridos> both :)
1528 [11:07:05] <shtrb> the config files are not a problem, databases on the other hand ...
1529 [11:07:10] <klys> epicmetal, if you need to, you could symlink your way to most of your things, eg. app/ dat/ net/ sys/ etc/ doc/ src/
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1531 [11:07:29] <epicmetal> klys: yeah that's an option
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1534 [11:07:38] <epicmetal> Iridos: fair enough
1535 [11:07:49] <epicmetal> shtrb: wait, how are they not a problem? Iridos seems to disagree
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1538 [11:08:04] <shtrb> epicmetal, not that of a problem (you can recover)
1539 [11:08:14] <epicmetal> Oh right
1540 [11:08:14] <shtrb> the damage you do is reversable
1541 [11:08:14] <Iridos> I shared between two different versions of debian, I think…
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1543 [11:08:17] <epicmetal> YES
1544 [11:08:20] <epicmetal> Yes*
1545 [11:08:30] <Iridos> and specially the desktop had a lot of weirdness… lots of icons missing etc
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1547 [11:09:22] <shtrb> you can use firejail -private /overlay from the other system
1548 [11:09:26] <Iridos> I didn't notice too many other problems, but that was just not much use of that machine, use of specific software not installed in a different version and luck
1549 [11:09:36] <shtrb> this way you will read the same information but changes will put in a different place
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1551 [11:10:27] <Iridos> oh, that sounds nice…
1552 [11:10:33] <epicmetal> shtrb: can't xclients still sniff the keyboard even in firejail?
1553 [11:10:50] <Iridos> specially for running stuff in wine with programs you don't really want to mess up your linux system
1554 [11:10:52] <epicmetal> (as a tangental topic)
1555 [11:10:56] <shtrb> epicmetal, security is a different issue
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1560 [11:12:05] <shtrb> Iridos how is the DL iso ?
1561 [11:12:29] <epicmetal> shtrb: I don't think discarded changes would be good for regular use
1562 [11:12:30] <shtrb> firejail has it's nice features security does not seem to be one of them for me
1563 [11:12:44] <shtrb> epicmetal, that is why I mentioned overlay
1564 [11:13:00] <epicmetal> oh, so you setup a base config then each distro writes to its own overlay?
1565 [11:13:12] <epicmetal> (then edit the base config manually)?
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1567 [11:13:23] <epicmetal> or maybe have distro1 the master and distro2 with overlay..
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1569 [11:13:40] <shtrb> something like that, but soon it will become like two different config (if you need to have the differences)
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1572 [11:13:58] <shtrb> epicmetal, is it for a day to day use ?
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1591 [11:22:59] <FightingFalcon> replaced-url
1592 [11:23:09] <FightingFalcon> google drops winbuntu :) and switches to debian
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1596 [11:26:05] <shtrb> does it mean we Debian will start getting more testing ?
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1598 [11:26:25] <FightingFalcon> dunno
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1601 [11:26:40] <jelly> FightingFalcon: keep this channel for tech support please, and avoid incendiary words like "winbuntu"
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1604 [11:28:02] <FightingFalcon> rofl i was just kidding :D
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1608 [11:28:26] <jelly> FightingFalcon: yeah, don't do that in here. We have #debian-offtopic for random junk.
1609 [11:28:46] <FightingFalcon> Ok
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1612 [11:29:07] <pax_rhos> hey jelly
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1614 [11:30:04] <pax_rhos> how to diagnose what causes freezes upon debian loading X?
1615 [11:30:21] <shtrb> pax_rhos, I thought your DE freezes and not X
1616 [11:30:28] <pax_rhos> well, yeah, DE
1617 [11:30:42] <pax_rhos> (I'm using xfce)
1618 [11:30:47] <pax_rhos> should I ask there?
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1620 [11:31:02] <shtrb> I think that could be a good thing to do
1621 [11:31:10] <pax_rhos> okay, thanks then and goodbye!
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1623 [11:31:13] <shtrb> but in unfreezes after a while correct ?
1624 [11:31:16] <pax_rhos> yes
1625 [11:31:34] <pax_rhos> thing is - I'd understand it if the disk led would blink
1626 [11:31:37] <shtrb> maybe it is some service that make it "freeze", something systemd related
1627 [11:31:53] <pax_rhos> but it blinks only for a few seconds and then goes off, yet the freeze is still there
1628 [11:32:14] <shtrb> do you see anything with ps aux when that happen ?
1629 [11:32:23] <pax_rhos> and I have to wait for like 1m until the freeze goes away and it finishes loading
1630 [11:32:33] <pax_rhos> I can't run anything during the freeze
1631 [11:32:37] <pax_rhos> hmm
1632 [11:32:42] <teatime> ah, you saw my posts to the wrong channel. good.
1633 [11:32:44] <pax_rhos> actually I can switch to tty2
1634 [11:32:44] <shtrb> maybe something is waiting for IO or some resource to become active
1635 [11:32:46] <teatime> wait, no.
1636 [11:32:54] <teatime> > then perhaps switch to a text terminal and check out top & iotop
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1638 [11:33:00] <teatime> > while it is 'frozen'
1639 [11:33:05] <teatime> > and, logs. and, try a clean homedir (add another new user for testing?).
1640 [11:33:14] <pax_rhos> teatime: are you writing that all to me?
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1642 [11:33:21] <teatime> yeah sorry I mis-posted at first
1643 [11:33:24] <pax_rhos> oh
1644 [11:33:28] <pax_rhos> thanks, I'll try that
1645 [11:33:35] <pax_rhos> the user's home dir is pretty clean
1646 [11:33:36] <teatime> you have to install iotop
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1648 [11:34:00] <pax_rhos> how to make something like iotop/htop produce some logs?
1649 [11:34:11] <teatime> pax_rhos: it's a good test; if it still does it w/ default / no configuration, you'd continue troubleshooting in different directions than if it seems likely to come from your dotfiles somehow
1650 [11:34:11] <pax_rhos> so that I could somehow add it to autostart
1651 [11:34:37] <teatime> you can ctrl+alt+f2 for example while X is frozen and hopefully get to a text console
1652 [11:34:52] <teatime> but, you can run the various tops that way, and redirect it to a file.
1653 [11:35:04] <teatime> if you want. check the manpages for options.
1654 [11:35:23] <pax_rhos> makes sense
1655 [11:35:55] <teatime> sometimes you can SSH in from another machine, even if you can't switch to text console
1656 [11:35:56] <pax_rhos> also, I have X/DE in autoload and I haven't yet tried killing it and starting manually to see if there will be a freeze
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1658 [11:36:28] <pax_rhos> thanks for your ideas, will try that in the evening
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1660 [11:37:11] <teatime> you can learn to interpret stuff like vmstat. but iotop gives you pretty much that and is obvious what it means.
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1664 [11:38:31] <teatime> pax_rhos: just because I love throwing out random tricks: the `watch` command can be really useful, to turn a one-off command into a continual status display, like e.g. `watch -n 1 free -m`
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1671 [11:39:48] <pax_rhos> teatime: I know of that trick
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1674 [11:40:35] <teatime> DE and graphical apps, and X startup, doesn't log much, but if you were super lucky might be something in ~/.xsession-errors X logs probably don't have anything for this, but fyi that can be in ~/ too these days instead of /var/log
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1677 [11:40:59] <FightingFalcon> How often does NTP check the system and correct the time?
1678 [11:41:02] <shtrb> and under ~/.local
1679 [11:41:22] <teatime> FightingFalcon: there's multiple NTP client implementations; as I understand it, ntpd does it on a kind of continual basis
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1681 [11:41:38] <teatime> FightingFalcon: and also spreads out corrections over a period of time to avoid sudden clock jumps
1682 [11:41:41] <shtrb> 99% he is with timectl
1683 [11:41:43] <teatime> FightingFalcon: but e.g. ntpdate just runs when it runs
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1685 [11:42:14] <FightingFalcon> teamtime, i have ntpd, (apt-get install ntp)
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1687 [11:42:31] <teatime> shtrb: you mean systemd-timesyncd ?
1688 [11:42:42] <shtrb> teatime, yeh , sorry
1689 [11:43:11] <teatime> FightingFalcon: it has a one-off mode like ntpdate with the right flag, but it runs as a system daemon; I guess I don't know the actual answer to your question. "Frequently."
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1692 [11:43:34] <FightingFalcon> hm ok
1693 [11:44:35] <teatime> FightingFalcon: quick scan of man page mentions a "default poll interval" of 64s, perhaps per-server
1694 [11:44:53] <FightingFalcon> 64 seconds?
1695 [11:44:57] <teatime> yes
1696 [11:45:46] <FightingFalcon> i changed the time like 30 minutes ago but still nothing has changed.
1697 [11:46:03] <teatime> on your ntp server or what?
1698 [11:46:30] <teatime> also, if your clock is way off, ntpd may refuse to change it
1699 [11:46:33] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Can you show us the output of 'ntpq -p' via replaced-url
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1701 [11:47:10] <Iridos> FightingFalcon, we told you yesterday not to change the time, as that's not how ntpd operates…
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1703 [11:47:32] <FightingFalcon> replaced-url
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1708 [11:48:27] <FightingFalcon> Iridos, how it operates? Isnt it supposed to correct the time?
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1710 [11:48:30] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Eh, how did you "change" your time?
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1712 [11:48:36] <FightingFalcon> date -s
1713 [11:48:44] <teatime> it's a way to set the time. it's an alternative to manually setting the time like with `date`
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1715 [11:48:57] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Why are you fighting ntpd then?
1716 [11:49:09] <Iridos> FightingFalcon, it's supposed to keep the time correct, not change it
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1718 [11:49:15] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Either you want to set it manually, *OR* you want ntpd to do it.
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1720 [11:49:20] <Iridos> just have it installed and stop fiddling with it
1721 [11:49:29] <Iridos> read documentation on it if you're interested
1722 [11:49:38] <FightingFalcon> Im trying to see if it works. If it works, it must change back the time to correct value?
1723 [11:49:39] <teatime> maybe ntpdate once (or whatever the ntpd equiv is) at the beginning
1724 [11:49:40] <teatime> then just let it run
1725 [11:49:45] <FightingFalcon> ntpq -q works
1726 [11:50:00] <drmagoo> Hi, I noticed today that the etcd-daemon is using up a lot of ram, 11+G to be exact. What can I do to check whats wrong ?
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1728 [11:50:25] <teatime> ntpdate, the system logs presumably from ntpd, and ntpq can show you a decent estimate of the clock offset between you and your timeserver
1729 [11:50:31] <teatime> it's always very small
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1732 [11:51:24] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Then just restart ntpd and it should jump the time to the correct on and then keep it in sync.
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1734 [11:51:56] <teatime> petn-randall: isn't there a thing with systemd shutdown scripts not saving the hwclock in some common case, or something
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1736 [11:52:16] <teatime> or anyone, sorry didn't mean to direct that really
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1740 [11:53:11] <petn-randall> Not that I know of.
1741 [11:53:18] <FightingFalcon> petn-randall, restarting WORKED. But how come its not doing whats its supposed to do when its runnig?
1742 [11:53:20] <FightingFalcon> running*
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1745 [11:53:35] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: It *is* doing what it's supposed to.
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1747 [11:53:40] <teatime> drmagoo: do you know what it is and why you're using it? do you have 11G of stuff in it?
1748 [11:53:44] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: What makes you think it doesn't?
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1751 [11:53:59] <FightingFalcon> Because it didnt change the time to correct value? for almost 40 minutes
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1754 [11:54:35] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: What is the output of 'date --utc' on the system?
1755 [11:54:44] <drmagoo> teatime: Not really, this is my desktop and it must have been installed as an dependency for something...
1756 [11:54:44] <Iridos> FightingFalcon, because system time doesn't fucking change by 40 minutes
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1758 [11:54:56] <FightingFalcon> Iridos, i changed it only 5 minutes
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1760 [11:55:11] <teatime> drmagoo: you can do 'aptitude why etcd'
1761 [11:55:12] <Iridos> it still doesn't do that
1762 [11:55:16] <FightingFalcon> petn-randall, its correct now
1763 [11:55:23] <petn-randall> magic!
1764 [11:55:29] <Iridos> more magic!
1765 [11:55:35] <drmagoo> teatime: No =) Will do that now =) Thx
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1768 [11:56:12] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: If you manually change the system time when ntpd is running, bad things will happen. Just don't do that.
1769 [11:56:18] <teatime> FightingFalcon: Two things. It does slowly skew the clock when it makes adjustments, intentionally deciding that it's better for the time to be a little wrong a little longer than suddenly jump. And it may refuse to update your clock if it's more than a little off. When clock is mis-set and ntpd is running, clock will always be very very close, so neither is a problem in practice.
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1771 [11:56:50] <teatime> *isn't mis-set
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1774 [11:57:26] <FightingFalcon> teatime, so why does is immediately change the date by 6 minutes when i restart it?
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1777 [11:57:30] <drmagoo> teatime: It came with fleet... which says that it was manually installed... Hmm.. Think I need to do some springcleaning.
1778 [11:57:54] <teatime> FightingFalcon: the algo that decides whether to update a wildly-wrong clock (note: 5 minutes is wildly wrong) is different at startup I beleive
1779 [11:58:04] <FightingFalcon> i see
1780 [11:58:13] <teatime> FightingFalcon: with NTP, you usually want to "sync me up now, then keep me sync'd."
1781 [11:58:18] <teatime> then you never much think about it again
1782 [11:58:34] <teatime> drmagoo: sounds like the quickest fix :)
1783 [11:58:35] <FightingFalcon> thank you, i understand
1784 [11:59:15] <teatime> FightingFalcon: it's all configurable, and detailed in man pages and other documentation, of course :)
1785 [11:59:33] <FightingFalcon> you need to be Einstein to understand those manuals
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1794 [12:02:02] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: So you need to be dead?
1795 [12:02:33] <FightingFalcon> :D j/k. I mean the manuals are a bit hard for a newbie to understand. I understand some but not all
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1800 [12:03:22] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Well, start reading them, and if you have any questions, feel free to ask here.
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1812 [12:10:42] <shtrb> ,v beef
1813 [12:10:43] <judd> Package: beef on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.0.6-2; jessie: 1.0.1-1; buster: 1.0.2-1; sid: 1.0.2-1; stretch: 1.0.2-1
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1817 [12:12:26] <pax_rhos> .v beef
1818 [12:12:30] <pax_rhos> !v beef
1819 [12:12:34] <pax_rhos> ?v beef
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1821 [12:13:44] <DK21> my tftp server doesnt answer on RRQ, i have no iptables up
1822 [12:13:48] <DK21> where could i start the debugging?
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1824 [12:14:41] <petn-randall> DK21: I'd upgrade to a file transfer method used in the 21. century.
1825 [12:15:00] <petn-randall> DK21: For example, if you ftp client doesn't ask for passive FTP, it won't work through NAT.
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1828 [12:16:01] <DK21> i have no NAT inbetween
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1832 [12:16:09] <teatime> and tftp != ftp ..
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1834 [12:16:22] <DK21> 12:16:13.653070 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 20, id 56439, offset 0, flags [none], proto UDP (17), length 68)
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1836 [12:16:24] <DK21> 192.168.255.237.51990 > 192.168.255.254.tftp: [udp sum ok] 40 RRQ "/chain.c32" octet tsize 0 blksize 1408
1837 [12:16:31] <DK21> but theres no answer from my tftp
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1842 [12:19:03] <teatime> DK21: assuming that's from the client, you can do the same tcpdump/ngrep from the .254 machine, and gain more confidence about whether a reply is being generated (and lost along the way) or not
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1845 [12:19:30] <teatime> and look at the tftpd log
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1847 [12:20:12] <shtrb> pax_rhos, use /msg judd help to get the options
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1849 [12:21:03] <teatime> also it looks like tftp does a similar port-negotiation thing to ftp, so 1) I guess that was petn-randall's point and 2) replies come on a different port jsyk
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1853 [12:21:29] <DK21> they are of course, but its still getting timeout
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1856 [12:22:18] <epicmetal> so are there unofficial isos with debian stable but with latest stable kernel?
1857 [12:22:29] <epicmetal> i.e. semi-official
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1859 [12:22:40] <shtrb> !ubofficial
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1861 [12:22:50] <Iridos> does it? I thought tftp is too … trivial … for that
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1863 [12:23:13] <shtrb> not for that
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1865 [12:23:42] <petn-randall> epicmetal: No, however you can install a newer kernel from stretch-backports after completing the installation.
1866 [12:24:40] <epicmetal> petn-randall: I forsee a problem when buying a new laptop, i.e. need the newer kernel to install and/or pull updates
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1869 [12:25:11] <teatime> epicmetal: use the unofficial iso that includes non-free firmware.
1870 [12:25:24] <petn-randall> epicmetal: Most systems should at least boot with the 4.9 kernel, so it shouldn't be a problem, just extra steps.
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1872 [12:25:28] <epicmetal> teatime: but isn't that still the debian stable version
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1874 [12:25:38] <epicmetal> teatime: i know how to load firmware from usb
1875 [12:25:43] <teatime> epicmetal: yes. and you hope it works and you update to whatever after install. and it probably will.
1876 [12:25:50] <epicmetal> petn-randall: "most"
1877 [12:25:56] <teatime> or was it just a purely hypothetical question.
1878 [12:25:56] <epicmetal> hmm
1879 [12:26:03] <epicmetal> it's hypothetical
1880 [12:26:11] <petn-randall> epicmetal: If all fails, you can always use the testing installer to a) debootstrap the system with stable + backports b) install testing.
1881 [12:26:17] <epicmetal> oh ok
1882 [12:26:24] <petn-randall> a) *or* b), that is.
1883 [12:26:24] <epicmetal> i assumed that installer was only for buster
1884 [12:26:26] <shtrb> epicmetal, wait with getting a new laptop if you can, there are many news
1885 [12:26:30] <teatime> near-worst-case is maybe wifi doesn't work, but you can still easily netinstall/update via ethernet.
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1888 [12:26:36] <teatime> which, isn't usually that big of a deal.
1889 [12:26:45] <epicmetal> shtrb: yes, i'm waiting for sweet ryzen 3 goodness
1890 [12:26:55] <epicmetal> shtrb: because meltdown
1891 [12:28:17] <petn-randall> epicmetal: ryzen "3"? Did I miss something?
1892 [12:28:37] <epicmetal> petn-randall: isn't that the 2018 Q1 cpu to be released, roadmap published at CES?
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1894 [12:29:03] <epicmetal> i may have my models wrong
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1926 [12:45:46] <DK21> ah im seeing the answer: [bad udp cksum 0x8172 -> 0x3957!
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1935 [12:50:15] <teatime> DK21: are you perchance doing NAT on the network, not between the hosts, but with like a port-forward to your TFTP server?
1936 [12:50:18] <Lyberta> is there a simple pop3/smtp server that is easy to configure and doesn't require creating os users for mailboxes?
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1939 [12:50:41] <teatime> Lyberta: pop3/imap are often together, and separate from smtp
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1941 [12:51:00] <teatime> Lyberta: for smtp, for a real mailserver, obvious answers are postfix and exim. maybe qmail.
1942 [12:51:20] <Lyberta> teatime, yeah, when they are separate, they are extremely hard to configure
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1944 [12:51:47] <Lyberta> I use postfix+dovecot but it works by sheer luck and I have no idea how to works
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1946 [12:51:55] <teatime> Lyberta: it's not usually an especially small amount of configuration work, but it's pretty straightforward, if you understand mail, which is kindof complex, and then the spam arms-race and related things you need to know and work out (to e.g. convince anyone to deliver mail from you) can be quite a pain
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1948 [12:52:33] <gpunk> i use postfix/dovecot too
1949 [12:52:40] <gpunk> very versatile
1950 [12:53:03] <gpunk> you can have them work with mysql
1951 [12:53:05] <petn-randall> Lyberta: I don't know of a single daemon that does both POP3 and IMAP. Btw, I wouldn't use POP3 in 2018.
1952 [12:53:10] <gpunk> for user/mail
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1954 [12:53:33] <Lyberta> I want something where I simply say the list of mailboxes, paths to TLS certs and let everything else work by itself
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1958 [12:53:52] <gpunk> you wont find that :p this way
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1960 [12:54:12] <Lyberta> petn-randall, IMAP is so slow via Tor, so incredibly slow, it takes seconds to switch between folders
1961 [12:54:12] <petn-randall> Lyberta: You probably want to pay someone else to do that work for you, then.
1962 [12:54:34] <nulleip> I'm having trouble to compile new kernel on wheezy. Compile breaks with the error: "arch/x86/kvm/../../../virt/kvm/kvm_main.o: file not recognized: File format not recognized"
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1966 [12:54:41] <gpunk> or get a payed pacakge with a web interface
1967 [12:54:42] <nulleip> Kernel 4.14.14
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1969 [12:55:40] <nulleip> It compiles fine until 4.13.11 (the last one I compile on this Wheezy environment)
1970 [12:56:19] <petn-randall> nulleip: It might be that compiling such a new kernel needs a newer toolchain, but you'll have to check the kernel docs for that.
1971 [12:56:46] <Lyberta> heh, I find it peculiar that no one has wrote an IMAP/POP3/SMTP combo
1972 [12:57:01] <teatime> Lyberta: I hate mail.
1973 [12:57:23] <Lyberta> same
1974 [12:57:44] <nulleip> petn-randall: didn't find anything yet, but I think that too, if so I'll have to dist-upgrade debian to squeezy and then to strech
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1977 [12:58:32] <nulleip> petn-randall: it will be pain as it is a production server.
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1979 [12:59:42] <gpunk> replaced-url
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1982 [13:00:19] <nulleip> Can I compile the deb's packages on other machine and install on the Wheezy one?
1983 [13:00:45] <Lyberta> gpunk, it install tons of stuff I don't need including web server that will conflict with the one I use
1984 [13:01:06] <gpunk> ... well you need to know what you want ...
1985 [13:01:13] <gpunk> easy , or hard ?
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1988 [13:02:49] <Lyberta> I want POP3/SMTP combo
1989 [13:03:03] <gpunk> then google it , hard this time :)
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1992 [13:03:19] <gpunk> i happend to spend hours on google to get results
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2005 [13:06:20] <Lyberta> gpunk, you know, this actually feels like an interesting project to write myself, I've recently learned C++ Networking TS, dunno how hard POP3 and SMTP are by themselves and I haven't seen easy to use TLS libraries
2006 [13:06:27] <DK21> teatime: i dont have any nat between
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2010 [13:08:46] <jelly> Lyberta: if you think configuring postfix or dovecot is hard or sheer luck, not sure implementing new services from scratch is going to be feasible
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2014 [13:09:41] <petn-randall> Well, sometimes the learning experience on the way is also valuable ... :)
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2019 [13:10:01] <teatime> DK21: is there any NAT and port forward "near" your TFTPd?
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2021 [13:10:29] <petn-randall> Like, lying in bed and crying about how hard SMTP is might make you appreciate the work of the postfix devs more. :)
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2026 [13:15:55] <DK21> teatime: i have a nat gateway which gets ips via policy based routing, thats correct
2027 [13:16:49] <teatime> DK21: are you attempting to connect to the TFTP server using an "external" addr, from an "internal" host (with respect to a NAT-related port-forward)
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2037 [13:21:32] <DK21> nope, that are different subnets
2038 [13:21:54] <Lyberta> jelly, petn-randall I don't want relaying or anything of "enterprise stuff" I want a simple program that will store mail in, say, SQLite and only sends and delivers mail to addresses inside that database, should be simple enough
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2041 [13:22:29] <teatime> well it's a lot more efficient to put bulk files on the filesystem, which is what they usually do
2042 [13:22:30] <petn-randall> Lyberta: By all means, go ahead and start programming it.
2043 [13:22:42] <teatime> and easy enough to put the config and users and stuff in a DB. which is also usually what you do.
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2045 [13:23:15] <petn-randall> There's only two dozens RFCs to read before designing that thing, though.
2046 [13:24:13] <Lyberta> teatime, so far I've only seen creating unix users and there's some kind of "mbox" or "Maildir" hackery, and since Dovecot and Postfix are completely separate, I have to spend hours in the config to try to understand what is going on
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2053 [13:25:25] <teatime> Lyberta: you should start with some basic docs, and check out some tutorials, not to follow them, but to see how stuff is commonly done that is similar to what you need.
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2056 [13:26:01] <teatime> Lyberta: there's a distinction between handling mail for local unix users, remote users, and local virtual users; there's some history here and there to run up against, some technical debt
2057 [13:26:03] <Lyberta> teatime, it's so hard, everything is rooted in 1970s
2058 [13:26:25] <teatime> Lyberta: moreso than the software, the protocols date back to that time
2059 [13:26:32] <teatime> mail sucks.
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2061 [13:26:41] <Lyberta> yeah, I don't care about local mail and all that stuff but apparently I need to bother
2062 [13:27:01] <gpunk_> Lyberta: it will take you mounths or more to write an smtp/imap combo
2063 [13:27:13] <Lyberta> I know
2064 [13:27:20] <gpunk_> so you wanna spend days configuring ?
2065 [13:27:26] <gpunk_> or months writing
2066 [13:27:55] <Lyberta> writing will be easier because I can skip a lot of spec reading
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2068 [13:28:06] <isht4r> Hi. . Im facing problems on backup restore of my persistent kali linux live usb... Can I ask my doubt here pls ?
2069 [13:28:07] <Lyberta> in terms of mind investment
2070 [13:28:15] <gpunk_> lol , and open security breatches
2071 [13:28:31] <petn-randall> It's getting a big offtopic, do you mind moving that discussion to #debian-offtopic?
2072 [13:28:40] <petn-randall> !kali
2073 [13:28:41] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2074 [13:28:42] <gpunk_> i am done .
2075 [13:28:49] <petn-randall> isht4r: Not supported in here. See above. ^^^
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2085 [13:32:25] <isht4r> Ok petn-randall thanks
2086 [13:32:28] <Lyberta> ok, more ontopic, I've seen that Debian uses local mail by default, I see stuff like "mailing news to root", what happens if there is no smtp server running at all? what will break?
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2091 [13:33:15] <gpunk> local mail doesnt need an smtp server
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2094 [13:33:32] <gpunk> it s just email droped in the spool
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2097 [13:33:42] <gpunk> by a prog.
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2101 [13:34:09] <Lyberta> oh, so can I just remove exim from my client pcs? why does it come installed by default?
2102 [13:35:24] <petn-randall> Lyberta: There is no "default". A working MTA is not essential, it helps though.
2103 [13:35:43] <Lyberta> petn-randall, is helps what?
2104 [13:35:46] <Lyberta> it*
2105 [13:36:05] <teatime> exim is a kindof default on debian w/ a minimal configuration
2106 [13:36:17] <teatime> not sure what its priority is or which task it's in
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2108 [13:36:39] <jim> FightingFalcon, about "you need to be Einstein to understand those manuals", yes, reading man pages is a skill, which you have to keep up and practice if you want it
2109 [13:36:50] <petn-randall> Lyberta: With actually delivering mail. Like those generate by failed cron jobs, for example.
2110 [13:37:12] <FightingFalcon> jim, yes every day its getting easier
2111 [13:37:35] <Lyberta> petn-randall, can they use local mail without smtp?
2112 [13:37:40] <jim> you can read random pages every day
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2115 [13:38:08] <jim> and yes, some are easier to understand than others
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2117 [13:39:13] <petn-randall> Lyberta: They can use the sendmail-like maildrop, but there needs to be a daemon to deliver it. Otherwise the mail will only lie in the maildrop and bitrot in there.
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2119 [13:39:58] <teatime> Lyberta: without smtp, yes; without an MTA, there needs to be at least a minimal one to provide the "send mail" interface. and that is usually the same piece of software that listens on SMTP, because usually you actually do want both
2120 [13:40:14] <teatime> even if in some special configuration where all local unix user mail gets forwarded to a certain external addr
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2122 [13:40:22] <FightingFalcon> Well, the real problem is, for example, command -t [value] .... -t stands for timeout value So how do i set it up? Why its 5 seconds and not 10, or why its 10 seconds or not 5? And how to find it out. Its not written in the manual. Only doesnt tell you how to find the exact value. It only says "this sets the timeout value", jim
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2124 [13:41:30] <teatime> FightingFalcon: man pages are often intended as a quick-reference; complete documentation usually exists elsewhere. a lot of commands have an even briefer --help / -h option. these are common things to expect, but the details vary by package.
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2127 [13:41:47] <petn-randall> FightingFalcon: Which command? There is no command "command".
2128 [13:42:04] <FightingFalcon> :/
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2130 [13:43:07] <teatime> FightingFalcon: as a side-benefit, I find that learning to configure X in Linux teaches you how to configure X; learning how to configure X on Proprietary_OS often just teaches you, at best, about X on Proprietary_OS
2131 [13:43:17] <teatime> i.e., *nix knowledge is highly transferrable
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2135 [13:44:27] <FightingFalcon> yes i agree
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2140 [13:46:00] <teatime> *shrug* if this kind of thing is off-topic, I will refrain in the future
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2160 [13:55:46] <jim> themill, probably the benefit outweighs the offense... the better someone is at reading and understanding reference works, the less support they're going to need... and, if they can be encouraged (-not- forced) to work on that on their own, the support load on #debian decreases
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2166 [13:57:40] <jim> that is, the support load decreases while at the same time each person's individual ability to solve their own problems increases
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2223 [14:20:58] <h43z> how should one handle serious security issues if you run debian/testing. there must be something other than accepting it will take weeks till it gets fixed.
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2225 [14:22:08] <towo^work> h43z, there is something other, don't use testing, use stable
2226 [14:22:20] <petn-randall> !tum
2227 [14:22:20] <dpkg> «echo 'APT::Default-Release "testing";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf», edit sources.list, copy your non-security testing lines and change one set to unstable, then apt-get update. Use apt-get -t unstable install foo; to install foo from unstable rather than testing as usual. WARNING to SYNAPTIC users: Synaptic ignores Default-Release: set Preferences->Distribution.
2228 [14:22:21] <h43z> besides that? Nothing?
2229 [14:22:28] <petn-randall> h43z: ^^^
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2231 [14:23:10] <petn-randall> h43z: If you're using testing, you're *willingly* beta-testing it to report bugs and help development. There are no other valid reasons to run testing.
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2236 [14:24:17] <h43z> so it's recommended to run unstable over testing
2237 [14:24:34] <petn-randall> h43z: Nobody said that.
2238 [14:24:55] <h43z> if you want a more uptodate version.
2239 [14:25:05] <petn-randall> h43z: If you want security updates, please use stable. If you want to beta-test our upcoming releases, use the testing/unstable mix and cherry-pick any updates from sid.
2240 [14:25:29] <petn-randall> h43z: If you want a newer version, use backports, or backport it yourself.
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2242 [14:25:35] <petn-randall> Also:
2243 [14:25:37] <petn-randall> !sns
2244 [14:25:37] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2245 [14:25:50] <h43z> stable ist just not very useful for a da to day developer machine
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2248 [14:26:39] <petn-randall> h43z: I'd say it better, since you're not constantly upgrading and breaking things.
2249 [14:26:43] <petn-randall> *it's
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2252 [14:27:49] <petn-randall> And many things are already in backports nowadays.
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2262 [14:31:55] <h43z> are the packages in the backports updated only once if a new debian version is released or constantly?
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2269 [14:33:13] <Iridos> that means… depends on the maintainer… or lack thereof
2270 [14:33:24] <teatime> if you need something backported [faster], it's not to hard to get started doing it yourself
2271 [14:33:29] <teatime> can be a good intro to packaging
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2275 [14:34:40] <h43z> if I go with stable and backports to people usually pin all packages to the backports?
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2277 [14:35:22] <teatime> no that's already configured in the backport repo itself
2278 [14:35:24] <petn-randall> h43z: Packages from testing a recompiled for stable and put in the backports repo. It's usually done by the backports team, which the package maintainer may or may not be part of.
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2280 [14:35:28] <petn-randall> *are
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2282 [14:35:43] <teatime> you can just do `apt-get -t stretch-backports install <whatever>`
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2284 [14:36:00] <teatime> for specific things; everything else stays stable
2285 [14:36:05] <petn-randall> h43z: backports by default has a pin priority of 1, so you explicitely have to ask for a package from backports.
2286 [14:36:40] <toolz> hello, I am trying to remove an unused md raid device but it seems it has as a member an active device which I do not want to remove, can anyone gimme a hand please? here is mdstat: replaced-url
2287 [14:37:00] <h43z> petn-randall, teatime okay thank you
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2294 [14:38:28] <petn-randall> h43z: The only time it's ok to upgrade to testing is just before the release, where the security team actually already covers testing, so people are encouraged to upgrade and report any bugs.
2295 [14:38:38] <petn-randall> But that's another 12+ months to go.
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2304 [14:42:18] <Iridos> it's teh-ah-time
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2339 [15:05:41] <sphalerite_> Is there a way to stop the boot-time chroot from happening so I can get a shell with the root filesystem mounted but the initramfs still as the root?
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2354 [15:10:33] <Guest6614> Hello, is there a way to install this command without checkinstall in debian? "sudo apt-get install libtool autotools-dev automake checkinstall check \ libopus-dev libvpx-dev libsodium-dev libavdevice-dev"
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2359 [15:12:09] <wigums> simply leave them out of the qeue. thats not "running" checkinstall its INSTALLING checkinstall
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2361 [15:12:55] <wigums> if you dont want checkinstall just dont install it
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2363 [15:13:58] <pckratoras> hello i have a problem with rc.local i put pihole enable command on it but when system boot the command dooesn't running
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2366 [15:16:37] <Guest6614> wigums: So if I simply remove "checkinstall" word from that command, nothing would change except not installing checkinstall, right?
2367 [15:16:47] <wigums> correct
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2369 [15:17:31] <wigums> you might want to read up on how to use apt-get too
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2371 [15:17:38] <Guest6614> oh God, I hope I can install this damn program finally
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2373 [15:17:48] <Guest6614> thank you, gonna try that now without checkinstall
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2378 [15:21:08] <Iridos> you probably don't want the \ in there
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2380 [15:22:12] <Guest6614> Actually I do not understand exactly why checkinstall is necessary there
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2382 [15:22:20] <wigums> its not
2383 [15:22:33] <Guest6614> trying to follow instructions of replaced-url
2384 [15:22:59] <wigums> youre following an old guide to install some old app right? and youve never used apt-get before?
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2386 [15:23:31] <wigums> noones used checkinstall in forever
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2391 [15:24:47] <wigums> and again thats not RUNNING checkinstall. what you posted is INSTALLING checkinstall so asking why its required is a nil question.
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2394 [15:25:14] <Guest6614> I tried all the ways to install qtox but this turned out the only way to install it. Worked in stable but testing has no checkinstall so I was struggling to find some way to install
2395 [15:25:15] <wigums> if you dont want it just dont install it and read up on how apt-get works
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2397 [15:25:33] <Anarka> window move left
2398 [15:25:39] <Anarka> ...
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2401 [15:27:23] <wigums> Guest6614, thats not a series of commands.... its one command installing all the stuff they suggest you need to compile that program
2402 [15:27:38] <Fuzzynubbinz> Guest6614: did u try 'sudo apt install qtox' ?
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2404 [15:28:13] <Guest6614> wigums: Got it now, still trying to install, hope that works
2405 [15:28:25] <Guest6614> qtox is the only way to communicate with my wife actually so i look desperate
2406 [15:28:36] <Guest6614> Fuzzynubbinz: Qtox is not in the repos
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2410 [15:29:51] <Fuzzynubbinz> have u looked at the instructions on replaced-url
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2413 [15:30:23] <wigums> Guest6614, you really seem to hvae no idea what youre doing... what you posted isnt installing qtox. its not running checkinstall. its simply installing the stuff required to build qtox from source
2414 [15:30:23] <Fuzzynubbinz> you'll need wget if you dont already have it
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2417 [15:30:41] <Guest6614> Fuzzynubbinz: Yes, it is useful for uTox but it does not have qTox in the mentioned repo
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2419 [15:31:03] <Fuzzynubbinz> i dont understand
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2421 [15:32:10] <Guest6614> wigums: You got it right, do not have much idea but trying to learn basics still. This was a step in installing qtox
2422 [15:32:42] <Guest6614> Fuzzynubbinz: Qtox and Utox are forks of Tox, in the link you provided it adds a repo for uTox only.
2423 [15:32:54] <Guest6614> Qtox however is a different program, though similar to Utox
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2429 [15:34:27] <Fuzzynubbinz> hmmmm
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2432 [15:34:50] <Fuzzynubbinz> have u tried following the instructions on replaced-url
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2435 [15:35:50] <Guest6614> Fuzzynubbinz: I will do ASAP, when system upgrade is done. Let's see if it will work when checkinstall is removed from the command
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2437 [15:36:19] <Fuzzynubbinz> ok
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2439 [15:37:15] <Fuzzynubbinz> ok
2440 [15:37:21] <Fuzzynubbinz> i'll try to help if i can
2441 [15:37:26] <Fuzzynubbinz> i know how it is being new
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2445 [15:39:31] <Guest6614> Fuzzynubbinz: Thank you very much. Without this #debian probably I'd have already left debian. This channel helped me the most to setup a really well working system.
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2447 [15:40:03] <Guest6614> Forums are horrible though, full of neckbeards. The only think I complain about Debian is the forum members attitude, compared to Ubuntu that is really negative
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2451 [15:41:45] <V7> Guest6614: try #linux though
2452 [15:41:52] <V7> mb
2453 [15:42:01] <Guest6614> V7: Sure do, thanks for the info
2454 [15:42:17] <V7> Guest6614: also you can try /msg alis help
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2456 [15:42:26] <V7> mb
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2463 [15:45:11] <backnforth> Hi, I'm using Debian 8 and I'm not able to find the php7.1-mysql package.
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2466 [15:47:15] <towo^work> because there is no php7 in oldstable?
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2471 [15:47:50] <backnforth> towo^work: what should I do to install it if I don't want to change my distro?
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2473 [15:48:07] <V7> backnforth: Try to upgrade or build php7* from srcs mb
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2476 [15:48:32] <V7> Also don't forget about dependences
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2478 [15:48:35] <V7> mb
2479 [15:49:32] <backnforth> V7, I'm using a Docker image that already has php7.1 installed, I just need the php7.1-mysql driver
2480 [15:49:40] <backnforth> perhaps there's a package source I can use
2481 [15:49:50] <V7> ofc mb
2482 [15:49:55] <backnforth> what does mb mean
2483 [15:50:07] <V7> might be|maybe
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2485 [15:50:31] <petn-randall> megabit
2486 [15:50:40] <V7> ahha
2487 [15:50:59] <V7> megabitcoin
2488 [15:51:10] * petn-randall wonders what V7 does with all that free time by saving 3 letters.
2489 [15:51:34] <V7> oh dear
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2491 [15:53:37] <tdn> Is there a way to have LUKS echo starts or similar at the passphrase prompt during boot? (Debian 9)
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2497 [15:55:39] <petn-randall> stars?
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2499 [15:55:56] <petn-randall> It does that for me, I don't recall changing anything, though.
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2502 [15:56:22] <nkaretnikov> does anyone here has exprience with simple-cdd? i can't find a way to make an image with packages from backports in it
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2506 [15:58:09] <ChunkzZ> how can I get the latest firefox with debian stretch?
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2510 [15:59:06] <gpunk> quantum ?
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2512 [15:59:36] <petn-randall> ChunkzZ: Since it requires rust that isn't available in stretch, the best way is to install it from their website.
2513 [16:00:27] <ChunkzZ> gpunk, yep and thanks petn-randall
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2517 [16:03:27] <tdn> petn-randall, it does just not echo anything for me
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2519 [16:03:38] <tdn> petn-randall, just like cryptsetup luksOpen.
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2531 [16:06:19] <ecbrown> is there a way to always install the corresponding documentation (-doc) set for a program that i install with apt-get?
2532 [16:06:25] <ecbrown> (or other tool)
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2534 [16:07:07] <chodolate> how can I install replaced-url
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2536 [16:07:28] <petn-randall> ecbrown: Not all packages have a corresponding -doc package, so you'll have to do it by hand.
2537 [16:07:43] <ecbrown> petn-randall: makes sense. thanks for your reply.
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2539 [16:09:25] <petn-randall> ecbrown: It comes with a README that explains it. But are you sure that you want to install a piece of software that hasn't been developed for over 6 years now?
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2542 [16:10:15] <ecbrown> petn-randall: @chodolate?
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2544 [16:10:34] <petn-randall> Indeed. My last message was for you, chodolate.
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2555 [16:17:31] <chodolate> petn-randall: why not if it works? haha thanks for reply
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2559 [16:18:06] <petn-randall> !goal
2560 [16:18:06] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2562 [16:18:20] <chodolate> petn-randall: it says ./configure and make but there is no configure file so far there...
2563 [16:18:38] <petn-randall> chodolate: Because it likely won't even compile on new systems, and is probably riddled with security holes. See above. ^^^
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2566 [16:18:59] <petn-randall> chodolate: You could ask the authors, but I doubt they'll respond ...
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2568 [16:19:19] <petn-randall> I guess it doesn't work then ... :)
2569 [16:19:23] <chodolate> do you have a sugestion for a substitute? petn-randall
2570 [16:19:31] <petn-randall> chodolate: What do you want to do?
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2572 [16:19:58] <chodolate> download torrents text mode in the server
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2575 [16:21:11] <petn-randall> chodolate: There are many tools like that, just search the package repos with your favourite tool (aptitude, synaptic, etc.)
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2578 [16:21:56] <petn-randall> chodolate: transmission, bittorrent, bittornado, etc. are all packages that can do that.
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2581 [16:23:02] <chodolate> petn-randall: I tried some but didn't like any of them
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2584 [16:23:20] <petn-randall> chodolate: What don't you like?
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2586 [16:24:19] <wigums> try rtorrent
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2590 [16:24:45] <wigums> or deluge. deluge is very powerful torrent app but can be complicated
2591 [16:24:55] <wigums> rt
2592 [16:24:55] <wigums> o
2593 [16:24:59] <wigums> rrent is easy
2594 [16:25:05] <wigums> rtorrent
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2609 [16:36:46] <ChunkzZ> deluge is the best torrent client for linux imo. :p
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2615 [16:38:06] <hans__> according to google, this is the best way to list all manually installed packages: comm -23 <(aptitude search '~i !~M' -F '%p' | sed "s/ *$//" | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u)
2616 [16:38:10] <hans__> does that seem like the best way?
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2618 [16:38:15] <hans__> any suggestions?
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2623 [16:39:51] <petn-randall> !best
2624 [16:39:51] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
2625 [16:40:03] <sphalerite_> how can I get GRUB (grub-pc, not EFI) to use text mode rather than graphical on debian?
2626 [16:40:31] <hans__> petn-randall, is that the most reliable way to do it? is that the canonical way to do it?
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2630 [16:41:19] <petn-randall> hans__: `aptitude search '~i !~M'` is all you need, really.
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2632 [16:41:53] <petn-randall> sphalerite_: Look at /etc/default/grub, there's a setting for it.
2633 [16:42:09] <petn-randall> sphalerite_: You might need to run 'update-grub' afterwards for it to have effect.
2634 [16:42:23] <sphalerite_> petn-randall: … I should have thought of that myself, thanks
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2637 [16:42:41] <petn-randall> sphalerite_: You're welcome!
2638 [16:42:56] <hans__> petn-randall, seems like it lists several packages that were automatically installed too (for example, it lists vim-common , while i'm pretty sure i only installed vim, apt installed vim-common automatically as a dependency of vim)
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2646 [16:46:27] <petn-randall> hans__: If it doesn't have an "A" set in the first column, it's manually installed.
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2648 [16:47:02] <petn-randall> hans__: However, what's your overall goal? We might be able to help you with that.
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2667 [17:02:04] <KebabBob> I'm trying to mount cifs on bootup, and it doesn't. fstab entry is correct, because logging in after bootup and running mount /mnt/cifsmount works fine. Any ideas what could be wrong? Is it trying to mount before network is up and running or something like hta?
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2669 [17:02:19] <hans__> petn-randall, well, i was thinking of upgrading all php7.0 packages to php7.2
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2672 [17:03:00] <hans__> but they're more than just version numbers to apt, they're entirely different packages
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2675 [17:03:45] <hans__> php7.0-cli , php7.1-cli , php7.2-cli , and so on
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2678 [17:04:17] <hans__> (and you can have them all installed at the same time, sigh)
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2681 [17:05:07] <hans__> so i thought "get a list of all manually installed php7.0 packages, remove them, run autoremove, and install the equivalent php7.2 packages"
2682 [17:05:12] <petn-randall> hans__: What do you need PHP 7.2 for that 7.0 can't?
2683 [17:05:48] <hans__> actually, nothing, but i need pcntl_signal_get_handler() which was introduced in php7.1, so at least i need to upgrade to 7.1
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2689 [17:06:39] <petn-randall> hans__: I'm just wondering because most PHP project I'm using haven't even upgraded to 7.0 yet.
2690 [17:06:49] <hans__> oh sorry, i got that a big wrong, but the answer is still pcntl_signal_get_handler()
2691 [17:07:14] <hans__> a bit wrong*
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2695 [17:07:51] <petn-randall> ,v php7.1
2696 [17:07:52] <judd> Package: php7.1 on amd64 -- sid: 7.1.0-5; buster: 7.1.13-1; sid: 7.1.13-1
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2699 [17:08:29] <petn-randall> hans__: You could try backporting the packages from testing yourself, or install PHP by hand. I do *not* recommend mixing stable and testing.
2700 [17:08:39] <petn-randall> ,checkbackport php7.1
2701 [17:08:42] <judd> Backporting package php7.1 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch, virtual.
2702 [17:09:07] <hans__> petn-randall, actually i let replaced-url
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2704 [17:09:55] <petn-randall> !deb.sury.org
2705 [17:09:55] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
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2707 [17:10:22] <petn-randall> hans__: Indeed, then you can simply remove php7.0 on all systems and install php7.2.
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2709 [17:11:17] <hans__> petn-randall, sure, but first i need a list of all installed php7.0 packages. ideally, a list of the manually installed 7.0 packages
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2716 [17:13:57] <RedSoxFan07> Anybody else having issues opening PDFs in Thunderbird? FYI - I disabled ClamAV's OnAccess scanning, PDF scanning, and email scanning just to make sure ClamAV isn't interfering. I don't remember having this problem in the past.
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2719 [17:14:20] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Are you running testing or newer?
2720 [17:14:33] <RedSoxFan07> petn-randall: Yeah, I'm running testing.
2721 [17:14:37] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2722 [17:14:37] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2723 [17:14:44] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Try asking there. ^^^
2724 [17:14:53] <RedSoxFan07> petn-randall: Good point.
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2729 [17:17:39] <hans__> !dotdeb.org
2730 [17:17:49] <hans__> !deb.sury.org
2731 [17:17:49] <dpkg> Short instructions for sury's php deb builds can be found at replaced-url
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2741 [17:21:37] <petn-randall> !msg the bot
2742 [17:21:37] <dpkg> Please have conversations with the bots in a private message as much as possible. Instead of using "!topic" or "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" in the channel, you can just "/msg dpkg topic". See <bot help> and replaced-url
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2744 [17:21:40] <petn-randall> hans__: ^^^
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2761 [17:27:41] <Nezoriel> good evening, maybe any one an idea ? i change in source list from strech to stable and after reboot i get this message. Before i dont have it.
2762 [17:27:47] <Nezoriel> replaced-url
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2766 [17:28:29] <petn-randall> Nezoriel: I doubt this has anything to do with you changing the sources.list.
2767 [17:28:30] <hans__> petn-randall, sorry
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2770 [17:28:44] <hans__> should have tested it in PMs indeed
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2772 [17:28:56] <petn-randall> !tell Nezoriel -about crosspost
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2775 [17:30:34] <Nezoriel> okay sorry i think is no problem to post it in english and a german chancel to different languages.
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2781 [17:33:01] <Nezoriel> okay thanks reboot
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2792 [17:36:42] <willow> hellow
2793 [17:36:48] <jelly> yello
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2795 [17:37:03] <willow> any of you applied the intel patches yet?
2796 [17:37:12] <willow> meltdown and spectre they are called?
2797 [17:37:13] <password4> when I make a board , can i get a manufacturer to not plate my holes ? so that I can add an optional bridge
2798 [17:37:25] <willow> I'm not savy in these things but i understand they are critical?
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2800 [17:37:27] <petn-randall> willow: Look up the CVEs in the tracker of doom.
2801 [17:37:29] <jelly> willow: those are vulnerabilities. Patches don't have names really
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2803 [17:37:38] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
2804 [17:37:38] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
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2806 [17:37:58] <jelly> they're not that much critical unless you have a virtualization infrastructure
2807 [17:38:01] <hans__> petn-randall, uhm, replaced-url
2808 [17:38:13] <willow> lol and i thought this guy was screwing with me. "tracker of doom" haha
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2812 [17:38:42] <TomyWork> really? this debian 9 base install doesn't even have "unzip"
2813 [17:38:44] <jelly> if you only have discrete systems, they're pretty much like local priv. escalation (root exploit)
2814 [17:38:46] <willow> I understand it exploits a cpu feature called predictive something something?
2815 [17:38:50] <petn-randall> willow: I wouldn't call them "critical", there have been worse bugs in the last 6 months.
2816 [17:38:52] <jelly> TomyWork: install it.
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2818 [17:39:01] <petn-randall> hans__: What are you expecting?
2819 [17:39:09] <willow> Can i disable that feature sort of like disabling vt-x?
2820 [17:39:19] <willow> or is it baked into the processors's behavior
2821 [17:39:19] <jelly> willow: you can't.
2822 [17:39:20] <hans__> petn-randall, idk, a message about cross-posting
2823 [17:39:25] <willow> I dont mind up to 30% performance hit
2824 [17:39:30] <petn-randall> hans__: Just type 'crosspost' to the bot then.
2825 [17:39:30] <hans__> ohh damn
2826 [17:39:31] <willow> aw
2827 [17:39:31] <TomyWork> jelly yeah i'll not only have to install it, i'll have to tell puppet to install it and tell everything depending on unzip to wait until after that happens
2828 [17:39:54] <hans__> ohh damnit, didn't see my name had 2x _ in it
2829 [17:39:54] <willow> alright thanks, I'll be back if I have a problem figuring out how to make it work
2830 [17:39:59] <hans__> works fine if i do __
2831 [17:40:02] <jelly> TomyWork: make a better initial template, then?
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2834 [17:40:23] <TomyWork> jelly yeah my idea was to base this on the vanilla base image, this time
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2839 [17:40:55] <jelly> TomyWork: ok, then see my first answer :-)
2840 [17:40:59] <willow> someone mentioned there had been worse bugs found in the past 6 months. What's this you speak of?
2841 [17:41:03] <TomyWork> jelly heh
2842 [17:41:09] <willow> Can I get a link?
2843 [17:41:30] <petn-randall> willow: Pretty much half of those 10,000 CVEs that have happened since.
2844 [17:41:48] <petn-randall> willow: Just because it hits mainstream news doesn't make it more important or worse than other bugs.
2845 [17:41:53] <debian_usr> Hi, I'm trying to find a way to safely patch my Debian system from Meltdown and possibly Spectre (if there are patches available), but I can't seem to find out where to go for help.
2846 [17:41:54] <willow> -_- are exploits founds this commonly in linux?
2847 [17:42:02] <willow> I see they're getting patched very fast but...wow
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2850 [17:42:09] <TomyWork> willow well meltdown is (i think) fixed/workarounded. of the two, spectre is the more problematic one
2851 [17:42:25] <petn-randall> willow: It's just "interesting", in the sense that it affects all OSes across several CPU architectures.
2852 [17:42:31] <debian_usr> willow: You trying to patch Meltdown too?
2853 [17:42:33] <TomyWork> spectre, if i understand it correctly, needs all applications to patch
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2855 [17:42:35] <petn-randall> willow: Those CVEs don't all affect Linux ...
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2857 [17:42:36] <hans__> willow, and that's not a linux specific issue, that affects windows, linux, macos, bsd, all the major ones
2858 [17:43:04] <petn-randall> debian_usr: Start with looking up the CVEs on the tracker of doom.
2859 [17:43:09] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
2860 [17:43:09] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
2861 [17:43:20] * jelly has a feeling of deja vu
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2863 [17:43:32] <willow> yes, I thought there were patches for both. I usually use windows, but I recenter took on othe monnumental task of building a web app. Currently running on a debian server and then this happened. Only reason I bothered to look into patching them
2864 [17:43:45] <willow> recently*
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2867 [17:44:10] <petn-randall> willow: Well, if you haven't patched your system since, you probably have worse problems than meltdown on that system.
2868 [17:44:47] <jelly> willow: spectre is really a whole new class of bugs. Patches will come for years, compilers will have to get new features, and lots of software fixed and rebuilt.
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2870 [17:45:00] <hans__> willow, ps, automatic security updates is a thing
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2872 [17:45:30] <TomyWork> jelly that is, unless intel fixes their cpus, right?
2873 [17:45:40] <TomyWork> fix*
2874 [17:45:41] <bjonnh> I'm having issues seeing my xen domains using libvirt (virt-manager)
2875 [17:45:43] <jelly> TomyWork: no
2876 [17:45:52] <bjonnh> I added the config (xend-unix-server yes)
2877 [17:45:55] <bjonnh> systemctl restart xen
2878 [17:46:00] <bjonnh> but I still don't see the domains
2879 [17:46:00] <TomyWork> am i mixing things up?
2880 [17:46:05] <bjonnh> I can see the volumes though
2881 [17:46:07] <jelly> TomyWork: people won't throw all the hardware made 2005-2020 in junk
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2883 [17:46:16] <willow> @hans__, I used to use Mint, and the automatic updater kept me in line, but I didnt find such a thing in debian, so I only remember to update every couple weeks or so
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2885 [17:46:24] <bjonnh> but the doc on debian wiki isn't up to date
2886 [17:46:29] <bjonnh> so I'm probably missing parts
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2889 [17:46:34] <TomyWork> jelly yeah, but it is a CPU issue
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2891 [17:47:00] <hans__> willow, i think its called `unattended-upgrades`, but it should be easy to find a debian article on it on google
2892 [17:47:55] <willow> thank you, I just needed a relevant phrase :D
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2894 [17:48:06] <TomyWork> loading stuff to the cache before checking whether the current context is allowed to load... what could possibly go wrong :)
2895 [17:48:23] <jelly> TomyWork: it's not an "issue", it's a consequence of cpu design, design that enables those cpus to crunch data and code a lot faster
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2897 [17:49:08] <jelly> TomyWork: are you talking about meltdown or spectre
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2899 [17:49:21] <TomyWork> jelly it's been theorized that with HT, the performance gain is effectively zero
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2902 [17:49:27] <TomyWork> jelly i dont know tbh
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2905 [17:51:10] <willow> so I dont understand how to get the patch here replaced-url
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2907 [17:51:16] <willow> I've never used that website
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2913 [17:53:18] <hans__> willow, i think `apt update;apt upgrade;` should get you the patched version, if you're running a supported version of debian
2914 [17:53:58] <willow> oh so simple
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2916 [17:54:19] <willow> thought i needed to download something and build then install, thank goodness
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2919 [17:55:03] <mnuhmnuh> willow: there's 30k available ready to install pkgs in debian.
2920 [17:55:17] <hans__> willow, apt might have to (build any custom kernel modules u got), but it shouldn't bother you much
2921 [17:55:38] <willow> ```~$ apt list --upgradable
2922 [17:55:38] <willow> Listing... Done
2923 [17:55:38] <willow> google-cloud-sdk/cloud-sdk-jessie 184.0.0-0 all [upgradable from: 183.0.0-0]
2924 [17:55:38] <willow> google-compute-engine/google-compute-engine-jessie-stable 2.7.2-2 all [upgradable from: 2.5.2-4]
2925 [17:55:38] <willow> linux-image-amd64/oldstable 3.16+63+deb8u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.16+63]```
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2931 [17:56:55] <willow> sorry I pasted too much
2932 [17:57:30] <mnuhmnuh> yup. does "/exec inxi" work?
2933 [17:57:54] <mnuhmnuh> in irc client or terminal wo /exec
2934 [17:58:18] <willow> So I simply wanted to confirm that the fix was included in `linux-image-amd64/oldstable 3.16+63+deb8u1 amd64 [upgradable from: 3.16+63]`
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2936 [17:58:30] <TomyWork> mnuhmnuh try #your-irc-client
2937 [17:58:46] <TomyWork> willow do you know what a pastebin is?
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2939 [17:59:49] <hans__> 1 of my servers use about 151 seconds to boot, and i have no idea why :p
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2941 [18:00:14] <hans__> (well, until it starts the ssh server, anyway)
2942 [18:00:18] <jelly> that's nothing, our physical servers with UEFI take 5-8 minutes to just POST
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2948 [18:01:27] <TomyWork> probably to find the C&C server for the ME backdoor :)
2949 [18:01:45] <hans__> ME?
2950 [18:01:54] <hans__> >windows ME backdoor
2951 [18:01:58] <TomyWork> nope
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2953 [18:02:04] <TomyWork> but about as shitty
2954 [18:02:12] <TomyWork> replaced-url
2955 [18:02:17] <hans__> ohh
2956 [18:02:18] <willow> TomyWork, yes, I'll be using that in future :)
2957 [18:02:30] <hans__> yeah well, i don't think there's a C&C center for em
2958 [18:02:34] <hans__> they're probably activated on command
2959 [18:02:38] <hans__> question is, what command
2960 [18:02:53] <hans__> else somebody would have noticed the weird connections the intel CPUs make...
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2963 [18:03:48] <hans__> >Intel claims the ME is required to provide full performance
2964 [18:03:52] <hans__> what a pile of utter bs
2965 [18:04:12] <hans__> >Its exact workings[8] are largely undocumented[9] and its code is obfuscated using confidential huffman tables stored directly in hardware, so the firmware does not contain the information necessary to decode its contents.
2966 [18:04:28] <hans__> "for performance"
2967 [18:04:31] <jelly> hans__, TomyWork: unless you got a debian question to follow up, talk about ME and whatever in #debian-offtopic not here
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2970 [18:05:58] <hans__> hmm, have the Debian Security Team any official stance on Intel ME?
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2972 [18:06:12] <petn-randall> hans__: no
2973 [18:06:14] <TomyWork> i was just making one snide remark, hans__ seems to have gotten carried away
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3005 [18:16:11] <tharkun> !meltdown
3006 [18:16:11] <dpkg> well, meltdown is replaced-url
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3010 [18:17:13] <tharkun> !spectre
3011 [18:17:13] <dpkg> it has been said that spectre is replaced-url
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3028 [18:29:44] <deicide-> how can i do max charge?
3029 [18:29:47] <deicide-> on laptop
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3034 [18:30:37] <petn-randall> deicide-: Plug in the power?
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3036 [18:30:49] <deicide-> .....................................................
3037 [18:30:55] <deicide-> just wow
3038 [18:31:02] <deicide-> is that a joke?
3039 [18:31:06] <petn-randall> deicide-: no
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3041 [18:31:18] <petn-randall> deicide-: Unless you left out crucial info to give you a more meaningful answer.
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3043 [18:31:41] <deicide-> change the max charge from 100% to 80%
3044 [18:31:46] <deicide-> is that better?
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3047 [18:31:59] <petn-randall> deicide-: What kind of laptop is this? Not all support it.
3048 [18:32:22] <deicide-> thinkpad
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3051 [18:33:39] <petn-randall> deicide-: I use this: replaced-url
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3053 [18:34:36] <deicide-> i have no idea what i did but up until now it worked just fine after i set it up on windows
3054 [18:34:43] <deicide-> suddenly it doesn't work anymore
3055 [18:35:05] <jelly> deicide-: try asking in ##ibmthinkpad
3056 [18:35:11] <petn-randall> deicide-: No idea, we can't really help you with Windows problems.
3057 [18:35:12] <deicide-> and i have no idea how to work with stuff i have download outside command line
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3059 [18:35:29] <deicide-> i use debian not windows
3060 [18:36:21] <TomyWork> jelly i thought i solved the dirmngr issue from the other day by updating the apt module. turns out the module doesn't solve this issue
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3062 [18:36:54] <deicide-> is there a guide how to install\use it?
3063 [18:37:01] <TomyWork> i have a nice dependency cycle: dirmngr is a package, all packages depend on all apt sources, some apt sources depend on apt keys, apt keys depend on
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3065 [18:37:17] <TomyWork> the dirmngr package... i thought
3066 [18:37:24] <TomyWork> just in case you ever run into this
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3068 [18:37:50] <TomyWork> so yeah, i'll amend my base image by dirmngr at least. i'll probably add unzip while i'm at it
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3071 [18:38:14] <jelly> TomyWork: you already have debian mirror keys available by default so it's possible to install dirmngr. What loop?
3072 [18:38:59] <TomyWork> jelly well i had issues with apt sources not being added before packages were installed
3073 [18:39:06] <TomyWork> so i have this in my code: Apt::Source <| |> -> Package <| |>
3074 [18:39:25] <TomyWork> (i dont know, do you speak puppet?)
3075 [18:39:32] <jelly> nope
3076 [18:39:47] <TomyWork> well it means add all apt sources before installing any package
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3078 [18:40:04] <jelly> but it sounds like an easy ordering / dependency issue
3079 [18:40:26] <TomyWork> it's solvable, probably, but i wouldnt call it easy
3080 [18:40:32] <BanHammor> hey, is this the dev channel or is there another channel for devs?
3081 [18:40:44] <TomyWork> i would have to know, for each package, which repo it comes from
3082 [18:41:38] <TomyWork> or I just exclude dirmngr from the list on the right
3083 [18:41:47] <petn-randall> BanHammor: What request do you have? We might help you find the proper channel for it.
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3085 [18:42:17] <TomyWork> but then that ends up being retrieved without the apt-cacher, every time someone does a "vagrant up"
3086 [18:42:25] <TomyWork> not really a great idea :)
3087 [18:42:34] <BanHammor> I'm tasked to create a Debian derivative for a raspberrypi-like board
3088 [18:42:38] <DammitJim> By setting up an ssh server, does that automatically allow for sftp?
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3090 [18:42:57] <shtrb> BanHammor, check one of the debian arm flavors
3091 [18:43:05] <BanHammor> it's mips
3092 [18:43:25] <shtrb> there is a flavor for that (or was)
3093 [18:43:28] <TomyWork> mips? that's still being made?
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3095 [18:44:05] <BanHammor> i'll have questions about packaging, and about freezing certain versions of mesa and its dependencies
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3098 [18:44:32] <BanHammor> mips is still alive, somewhat, despite its parent company being torn to shreds :)
3099 [18:44:51] <BanHammor> I don't think my questions will be mips-specific anyhow
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3101 [18:45:12] <shtrb> the swedish debian mirror has mips
3102 [18:45:30] <shtrb> replaced-url
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3104 [18:46:14] <TomyWork> replaced-url
3105 [18:46:38] <TomyWork> it's far from me to question your motives, but why are you doing this?
3106 [18:46:42] <petn-randall> BanHammor: You can ask in #debian-devel, I don't know if there's a mips-specific channel.
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3110 [18:47:46] <BanHammor> #debian-devel is invite-only.
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3113 [18:48:23] <TomyWork> try the OFTC network
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3115 [18:49:48] <BanHammor> TomyWork, we're making a new MIPS-based SoC based on P5600... so i guess that list is gonna be updated soon.
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3121 [18:50:38] <TomyWork> ah
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3123 [18:51:09] <TomyWork> isn't the lack of software going to be an issue when competing with ARM-based devices?
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3125 [18:51:24] <petn-randall> Indeed, I should have mentioned that. Pretty much all Debian-related channels are there (expect this one).
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3136 [18:55:41] <BanHammor> i haven't checked everything, but i think most of the software we need is built by debian already
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3139 [18:55:55] <JordiGH> Does the stretch-backports linux have meltdown patches?
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3144 [18:57:11] <JordiGH> I'm having graphical glitches, even in a tty, so I want to see if a newer linux fixes it.
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3150 [18:58:13] <BanHammor> and it's not like gnu/linux for arm is teeming with proprietary software anyway
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3155 [18:59:55] <jelly> (except for all the drivers!)
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3158 [19:00:42] <BanHammor> well, that's what the BSP is for
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3163 [19:03:11] <JordiGH> Bug squashing party, binary space partition.
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3167 [19:05:18] <BanHammor> board support package
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3177 [19:10:35] <deicide-> petn-randall how do i install that?
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3181 [19:12:04] <petn-randall> deicide-: Have you tried following the "Install" section of the readme?
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3184 [19:12:47] <deicide-> yes
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3191 [19:12:56] <deicide-> and it look like chinese to me
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3199 [19:18:35] <deicide-> thanks for thehelp
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3217 [19:24:46] <petn-randall> deicide-: If you tell me at what part you are stuck, I could help you.
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3221 [19:26:08] <yegortimoshenko> would it be straightforward to get package written in guile packaged for debian?
3222 [19:26:42] <petn-randall> yegortimoshenko: Probably, though it really depends on a lot of factors.
3223 [19:27:11] <yegortimoshenko> petn-randall: packaging itself is not a problem, of course, but getting it into the distribution is.
3224 [19:27:13] <petn-randall> yegortimoshenko: If the license is ok, and if all dependencies are already present in Debian, it should be fairly straightforward.
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3227 [19:27:52] <yegortimoshenko> petn-randall: i see, that is reassuring. thanks!
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3234 [19:28:36] <Labu> Hello whan I do apt-get upgrade I get his message: "linux-image-amd64 : Depends: linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 but it is not installed
3235 [19:28:36] <Labu> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution)."
3236 [19:28:53] <greycat> make sure your sources.list is correct, and run apt-get update
3237 [19:29:00] <Labu> but I get an error when I try this command
3238 [19:29:09] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
3239 [19:29:09] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
3240 [19:29:20] <Labu> I done apt-get update
3241 [19:29:33] <Labu> ok greycat
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3246 [19:31:01] <deicide-> petn-randall i don't know how to install it
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3248 [19:32:00] <jelly> Labu: if you're still getting a similar error after an apt-get update, provide all this info (read carefully):
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3250 [19:32:09] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
3251 [19:32:09] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3252 [19:32:18] <iodev> !buster
3253 [19:32:18] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
3254 [19:32:32] <iodev> when does it come out?
3255 [19:32:37] <jelly> dpkg, tell iodev about msg the bot
3256 [19:32:45] <jelly> iodev: when it's ready
3257 [19:33:08] <jelly> hopefully not this year
3258 [19:33:19] <iodev> jelly: i'm sorry, ok, so probably next year
3259 [19:33:30] <iodev> or the year after that, any schedule?
3260 [19:33:35] <greycat> No, there is no schedule.
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3262 [19:33:47] <jelly> iodev: debian does not have timed releases, no ETA
3263 [19:34:21] <greycat> Sometimes when things are starting to begin to sort of stabilize a little tiny bit, they will make a prediction. Buster has not yet reached that stage.
3264 [19:34:27] <iodev> I see, kinda like waiting for aliexpress packages, when you think there is no way for them to arrive, they arrive :D
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3267 [19:34:48] <Labu> /etc/apt/sources.list looks good replaced-url
3268 [19:34:59] <Labu> I paste the output from apt-get
3269 [19:35:19] <bolt> aliwhenever
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3274 [19:37:21] <Labu> output from apt-get replaced-url
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3276 [19:38:01] <jelly> Labu: your disk is full.
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3278 [19:38:07] <Labu> no...
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3280 [19:38:11] <greycat> see where it says "no space left on device"?
3281 [19:38:17] <jelly> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-headers-4.9.0-5-common_4.9.65-3+deb9u2_all.deb (--unpack):
3282 [19:38:17] <jelly> unable to install new version of './usr/src/linux-headers-4.9.0-5-common/arch/mips/include/asm/mach-paravirt': No space left on device
3283 [19:38:17] <dpkg> jelly: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
3284 [19:38:17] <Labu> 5G space left
3285 [19:38:34] <greycat> Labu: on which file systems?
3286 [19:38:42] <shtrb> check /boot
3287 [19:38:44] <jelly> Labu: you wouldn't be using btrfs where /usr/src is would you?
3288 [19:38:44] <Labu> btrfs
3289 [19:38:51] <Labu> yes
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3291 [19:38:59] <Labu> ok
3292 [19:39:01] <jelly> yeah, use a fs that actually works
3293 [19:39:02] <shtrb> Labu, check your /boot parttion
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3295 [19:39:34] <jelly> second btrfs user this week
3296 [19:39:34] <Labu> how can I run fsck on /boot at boot time ?
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3299 [19:40:19] <greycat> You can't.
3300 [19:40:27] <Labu> Jelly it's me you talked this week I think
3301 [19:40:32] <greycat> But, good news! It's /boot so you can just unmount it and fsck it now.
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3303 [19:40:36] <shtrb> rescue mode ?
3304 [19:40:43] <Labu> ok
3305 [19:40:50] <Labu> greycat
3306 [19:40:57] <jelly> Labu: sorry then. Why are you asking about the very same symptoms again?
3307 [19:41:05] <jelly> replaced-url
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3310 [19:43:22] <jelly> (that's literally the first result I get on Google for: btrfs "No space left on device")
3311 [19:43:32] <Labu> yes jelly symptoms disapears when I reboot, but now I have the problem after reboot too
3312 [19:44:02] <Labu> ok jelly sorry
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3316 [19:45:21] <jelly> don't be sorry, but maybe learn to identify error messages in output, and do a web search for those
3317 [19:45:31] <BanHammor> is btrfs still not production level?
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3319 [19:45:40] <greycat> I would say "yes".
3320 [19:45:44] <jelly> BanHammor: correct
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3324 [19:46:07] <devgt5> hello, i want to download all the current dependencies as a big file to use it for offline program installing
3325 [19:46:20] <devgt5> does anyone have a link for it ?
3326 [19:46:22] <greycat> I would also guess that ZFS is going to bump it competely off the radar in a few years.
3327 [19:46:38] <jelly> BanHammor: well, probably depends on how you define "production" and whether your apps can survive a single fs going down?
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3329 [19:47:11] <greycat> devgt5: dependencies of what?
3330 [19:47:18] <devgt5> calligra
3331 [19:47:26] <jelly> maybe you have three or five of those, and a distributed clustered consensus layer on top?
3332 [19:47:34] <devgt5> i tried to install it offline from the deb package
3333 [19:47:38] <Sir_Designer> i am on 10.11.6 atm
3334 [19:47:47] <devgt5> but it is missing some stuff
3335 [19:48:08] <greycat> devgt5: do you have an online machine that has *exactly* the same set of packages as the target machine?
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3337 [19:48:21] <devgt5> i was actually wondering if there is something as full calligra program including all the files that i need
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3340 [19:48:30] <greycat> (Otherwise, how do you know where to stop recursing the dependencies?)
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3343 [19:48:52] <devgt5> greycat i don't know
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3345 [19:49:06] <devgt5> i thought i can install everything from the deb package
3346 [19:49:14] <devgt5> i thought it includes everything
3347 [19:49:19] <greycat> Well, the obvious way would be to have an online machine with the same packages as the target. Then do apt-get --download-only install calligra
3348 [19:49:32] <Labu> I think I will reinstall on ext4
3349 [19:49:41] <devgt5> hmm
3350 [19:49:47] <greycat> Then copy everything that it downloads from /var/cache/apt/archives/ to the target.
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3352 [19:49:58] <devgt5> oh
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3354 [19:50:33] <devgt5> so i can download it on one system and the take that file and put in offline system on another cumputer right ?
3355 [19:50:57] <greycat> It won't be one file.
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3358 [19:51:14] <devgt5> so i would have to install all the files
3359 [19:51:20] <devgt5> let me see something
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3361 [19:51:37] <greycat> Put all the files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ on the target and then apt-get install calligra should just work without having to download anything more.
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3363 [19:51:59] <greycat> Of course I am also assuming that there is an up-to-date list of sources/packages on the target, which may be difficult to achieve.
3364 [19:52:10] <devgt5> ok i will see what i can do
3365 [19:52:22] <greycat> If apt-get won't work because of stale lists, then dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb may work.
3366 [19:53:43] <devgt5> greycat
3367 [19:53:53] <devgt5> apt-get --download-only install calligra this does not work for some reason
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3371 [19:55:13] <jelly> devgt5: make a clean debootstrap chroot of the same debian version and architecture, then do it inside that chroot.
3372 [19:55:47] <devgt5> jelly problem is that im running two different debian version
3373 [19:55:48] <jelly> the system you're running it on now already has many/all of the dependencies installed
3374 [19:55:55] <greycat> *facepalm*
3375 [19:56:03] <greycat> devgt5: ... duh.
3376 [19:56:21] <greycat> I didn't think I had to say that it must be the SAME VERSION of Debian... figured that would be obvious.
3377 [19:56:22] <jelly> devgt5: so make a debootstrap of the destination version.
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3379 [19:56:50] <jelly> devgt5: you can't install packages fron one debian release onto a different release.
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3381 [19:56:58] <jelly> that never works well
3382 [19:56:59] <devgt5> ohhh
3383 [19:57:05] <devgt5> i never knew that
3384 [19:57:11] <Labu> I try several values for -dusage and I get always 0 chunks reallocated expected with -dusage=50 which gave an error "No space left on device"
3385 [19:57:12] <devgt5> hmm
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3393 [19:58:25] <jelly> Labu: you'll have to ask someone who knows anything about btrfs, probably. See if there's a channel on freenode: /msg alis list btrfs
3394 [19:58:35] <devgt5> so basically i need different version of the program for specific version of the system
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3396 [19:59:16] <jelly> devgt5: you need a build of the app built specifically for the debian release (version) you want to install on
3397 [19:59:18] <devgt5> i wish it was easier to install programs offline
3398 [19:59:28] <greycat> Take the target computer to an internet café or some other place with Internet access and install it there.
3399 [19:59:28] <devgt5> hmm
3400 [19:59:45] <devgt5> but i dont have wifi on that computer
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3402 [20:00:03] <devgt5> and i use it for offline use
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3405 [20:00:27] <devgt5> like that computer is never connected to anything because i took the wifi card out of it
3406 [20:00:54] <Labu> ok thx
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3408 [20:00:59] <greycat> ... without making any provision for how you would add new stuff to it later
3409 [20:01:25] <devgt5> i just thought it will work
3410 [20:01:33] <devgt5> when i just download the db package
3411 [20:01:45] <devgt5> and install it with dpkg command
3412 [20:02:08] <jelly> if that worked we wouldn't need apt
3413 [20:02:11] <devgt5> the worst part of it that i actually can see the icon of the program
3414 [20:02:22] <devgt5> but when i click on it nothing happens
3415 [20:02:37] <devgt5> jelly yeah this is a big problem
3416 [20:02:39] <jelly> also the os would be called windows
3417 [20:02:51] * jelly hides
3418 [20:03:01] <jelly> !apt-zip
3419 [20:03:01] <dpkg> Update a non-networked computer using apt and removable media. Just aptitude install apt-zip and read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apt-zip, or ask me about <apt offline> <apt-walkabout>. replaced-url
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3421 [20:03:07] <jelly> (no idea if that works)
3422 [20:03:25] <devgt5> i can see
3423 [20:03:26] <devgt5> one sec
3424 [20:03:27] <shtrb> !apt-mirror
3425 [20:03:27] <dpkg> apt-mirror is a tool for making a local mirror of any <APT> source. To mirror multiple architectures, specify "deb-$arch ..." in /etc/apt/mirror.list; e.g. "deb-amd64 replaced-url
3426 [20:03:42] <greycat> you do not want a full mirror
3427 [20:03:44] <jelly> devgt5: it's not that big a problem, I've already pointed out one possible workaround.
3428 [20:04:21] <jelly> and there are probably other ways to update an offline debian install
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3435 [20:05:41] <devgt5> i will see
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3439 [20:06:37] <devgt5> i downloaded it hopefully something will happen
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3441 [20:06:51] <hexhaxtron> I'm giving shell accounts to people for free. Any tips on how to monitor the system and users?
3442 [20:07:02] <devgt5> i wish debian had more program preinstalled
3443 [20:07:11] <devgt5> like the puppy distro
3444 [20:07:34] <devgt5> i cant even imagine the amount of programs being installed inside the system
3445 [20:08:08] <devgt5> but i like debian
3446 [20:08:30] <devgt5> just love how everything looks
3447 [20:08:43] <shtrb> devgt5, build your on presseded installer
3448 [20:09:03] <devgt5> i dont think i know how
3449 [20:09:30] <greycat> doesn't really make sense unless you're planning to make a whole bunch of machines with that same set of packages
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3453 [20:10:19] <devgt5> just need one
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3455 [20:10:29] <devgt5> btw
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3457 [20:10:40] <devgt5> just noob question
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3459 [20:11:23] <devgt5> when im connected to http website (the internet provider can see all the links ) but with https they can only see the front page ?
3460 [20:11:55] <greycat> with https they can only tell what computer you connected to, not what page you requested or even which domain
3461 [20:11:58] <shtrb> If you check your certs
3462 [20:12:06] <greycat> unless of course they're also your DNS server, in which case they can see which domains you DNS-queries
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3464 [20:12:17] <devgt5> oh nice
3465 [20:12:37] <devgt5> but downloading a torrent file for exmaple
3466 [20:13:07] <devgt5> will just show them only the ip but not the actual name of the file ?
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3469 [20:13:18] <greycat> torrent is an entirely different thing
3470 [20:13:25] <devgt5> oh
3471 [20:13:27] <x04e> depends on the country. some scan https traffic by decryption
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3473 [20:13:49] <devgt5> hmm
3474 [20:13:49] <greycat> With torrents, they mostly care what you are seeding/sharing, not what you are downloading.
3475 [20:14:09] <shtrb> devgt5, it depends by ISP, some has their own "seeders" and transparent proxies that see what you download
3476 [20:14:27] <greycat> A copyright holder may identify a torrent that contains their copyrighted song (or whatever) and then send DMCA notices to anyone seeding that torrent.
3477 [20:14:38] <devgt5> oh i get it now
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3479 [20:15:20] <devgt5> cool thanks
3480 [20:15:30] <greycat> (this is a bit off topic for #debian though)
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3485 [20:16:28] <devgt5> yeah i understand
3486 [20:16:38] <annadane> incidentally you can buy something like privateinternetaccess (or whatever, vpn selection is a multi-part decision) and run it through openvpn
3487 [20:16:38] <devgt5> i do really appreciate all the help
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3490 [20:17:20] <devgt5> yeah i know that will work probably but not sure if some networks aren't blocking it
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3493 [20:17:56] <TheSonumStudio> guys, i have a problem. i'm using debian already 5 years, but see this problem first time. i was installed debian 8 to parrents notebook and it's booting to X not from first time, but after reboot it's boot properly. google don't know what the problem. gpu is amd hd 7470m. vdpau driver is installed
3494 [20:18:08] <devgt5> like some public wifi providers have to kinda log in page before you can access the internet
3495 [20:18:23] <devgt5> not like log info but they make you click this submit button
3496 [20:18:29] <devgt5> before you can access the network
3497 [20:18:50] <shtrb> TheSonumStudio, anything related to pcie errors in dmesg
3498 [20:18:50] <devgt5> even terminal downloading wont work
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3500 [20:19:21] <shtrb> devgt5, captive portal
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3502 [20:19:36] <jelly> devgt5: a "captive portal" like that usually does not allow dns traffic before you log in
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3504 [20:20:01] <jelly> any hostname gets redirected to the same portal ip.
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3508 [20:20:26] <jelly> (or more amusing, traffic to any ip gets redirected to the portal)
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3511 [20:20:39] <devgt5> yes
3512 [20:20:53] <devgt5> i did not even know such name exists
3513 [20:21:02] <devgt5> captive portal ..
3514 [20:21:16] <devgt5> anyway to bypass this in debian ?
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3516 [20:21:34] <devgt5> through the terminal functions or commands
3517 [20:21:39] <jelly> no
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3519 [20:21:51] <devgt5> oh wow
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3521 [20:22:11] <jelly> if they want you to log in, log in
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3523 [20:22:28] <jelly> otherwise, use a different kind of network connectivity
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3525 [20:22:44] <TheSonumStudio> <shtrb>, no, dmesg log do not contain any errors at all
3526 [20:22:50] <devgt5> i see like vpn before logging in right ?
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3529 [20:23:10] <jelly> like using a different AP
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3532 [20:24:03] <devgt5> yeah i know it only transfers the data ( in the url) that i have provided
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3559 [20:28:01] <TheSonumStudio> <shtrb>, i think this is software problem, 'cause video mode changes properly
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3561 [20:28:34] <shtrb> I see, sorry , if no errors in dmesg and /var/log/Xorg.log
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3578 [20:35:21] <debbycur324> hello, I have a small problem.. if I change my hostname from "justserver" to "justserver-ny" samba stop working, I can't access it, it doesn't respond to smb://
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3589 [20:39:23] <chocolate> whats the best solution to go with a dns to access my home computer from anywhere?
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3592 [20:39:47] <sphalerite_> is there a utility that can autogenerate an fstab from the currently mounted partitions?
3593 [20:39:57] <jelly> chocolate: avoid dns completely and set up your own vpn?
3594 [20:40:33] <sphalerite_> +1 to VPN, I can recommend tinc
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3597 [20:40:46] <jelly> requires some sort of vpn server probably on a static ip on a cheap VPS
3598 [20:40:49] <sphalerite_> using a VPN has made acccessing my machines so much easier
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3606 [20:45:21] <annadane> replaced-url
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3614 [20:50:14] <FightingFalcon> Does ntpdate come default with Debian?
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3616 [20:51:27] <jelly> FightingFalcon: no
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3618 [20:51:48] <FightingFalcon> jelly, how come its install in my debian?
3619 [20:52:02] <jelly> FightingFalcon: how did you install it?
3620 [20:52:15] <FightingFalcon> i didnt install
3621 [20:52:21] <jelly> (debian, not ntpdate)
3622 [20:52:42] <jelly> ,i ntpdate
3623 [20:52:43] <judd> Package ntpdate (net, optional) in stretch/amd64: client for setting system time from NTP servers. Version: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-3+deb9u1; Size: 70.7k; Installed: 160k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3625 [20:52:59] <jelly> it's priority optional, so not a part of base system
3626 [20:53:10] <FightingFalcon> anyways, im going to remove it and install ntpd instead. allrighty?
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3628 [20:53:24] <jelly> FightingFalcon: how did you install debian?
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3631 [20:53:55] <FightingFalcon> i didnt. my host installed debian 9.0 minimal
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3634 [20:54:21] <jelly> FightingFalcon: their definition of "minimal" is different than Debian's own, then.
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3637 [20:55:08] <jelly> sure, go install ntp or chrony or openntpd or whatever
3638 [20:55:47] <jelly> and maybe ask your provider about choice of ntpdate, they may have a reason
3639 [20:56:02] <greycat> ntpdate is entirely obsolete
3640 [20:56:15] * jelly shrugs
3641 [20:56:21] <greycat> Current ntp packages use the -g option to do the one-time clock slam at startup.
3642 [20:56:44] <jelly> it's still in Debian
3643 [20:56:53] <jelly> ,v ntpdate
3644 [20:56:54] <judd> Package: ntpdate on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-2+deb7u7; jessie: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; jessie-security: 1:4.2.6.p5+dfsg-7+deb8u2; stretch: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-3+deb9u1; buster: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5; sid: 1:4.2.8p10+dfsg-5
3645 [20:57:01] <greycat> doesn't mean you ought to use it
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3649 [21:00:43] <`Kevin> FightingFalcon: if you install aptitude you can compare your installed package list to this
3650 [21:00:50] <`Kevin> aptitude search ~prequired -F"%p" ~pimportant -F"%p"
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3653 [21:02:46] <jelly> I've worked on platforms with hw (and kernel) clocks so bad that ntpd just failed but a ntpdate cronjob was (barely) good enough
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3656 [21:04:41] <jelly> (brand name x86 servers, in hindsight we could have asked for fixes under warranty)
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3701 [21:22:28] <SkIzZaTo> replaced-url
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3707 [21:24:01] <jelly> Labu, that's normal. You'll have to do apt-get dist-upgrade to get that kernel.
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3709 [21:24:22] <jelly> oops, scrolled off two hours back, sorry about that
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3711 [21:24:56] <Labu> no prob
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3778 [21:54:54] <FightingFalcon> How can i play cs:go in debian, jelly?
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3780 [21:56:17] <ParadoxGuitarist> I'm having trouble getting ir-keyable -t to give any output. Somehow(?) some of the IR remote keys are working, but when I go to test or build my own keymap, there's no output.
3781 [21:56:40] <ParadoxGuitarist> I am running it though ssh, but I didn't think that would be a problem
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3786 [22:00:01] <jelly> FightingFalcon, I have no idea. Please ask the whole channel instead of focusing on one volunteer.
3787 [22:01:00] <ParadoxGuitarist> Also odd, that irrecord seems to work
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3795 [22:02:43] <`Kevin> FightingFalcon: install steam?
3796 [22:02:53] <ParadoxGuitarist> I also get no output while testing with irw.
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3800 [22:03:10] <`Kevin> FightingFalcon: replaced-url
3801 [22:03:20] <FightingFalcon> kevin, cs go only works in windows
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3803 [22:03:26] <`Kevin> i disagree
3804 [22:03:46] <annadane> there's WINE, if you want to try it
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3806 [22:03:55] <annadane> no idea how well it works with cs
3807 [22:04:02] <`Kevin> you do not need wine
3808 [22:04:25] <annadane> there's steam (which however is non-free), and websites like gog may also sell linux compatible versions
3809 [22:04:33] <`Kevin> valve has written cs for linux since the original
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3811 [22:05:14] <`Kevin> replaced-url
3812 [22:05:21] <`Kevin> steamos + Linux
3813 [22:05:31] <`Kevin> just install steam as noted on debian wiki
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3815 [22:07:25] <`Kevin> steam (valve) has been pushing people to make more linux games for years, it would only make sense for them to support linux in the games they make as well :P
3816 [22:07:33] <`Kevin> anyhow going offtopic
3817 [22:08:41] <blackslide> umm.. is there any way to check what is happening when dpkg --install fails?
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3819 [22:09:14] <jelly> blackslide, the output of the command usually provides some clue
3820 [22:09:22] <greycat> typically by reading what is on the screen
3821 [22:10:21] <blackslide> I only get: unable to cleanup the mess surrounding './usr/bin/klog' before installing another version: write protected filesystem
3822 [22:10:30] <blackslide> I ran apt install as sudo
3823 [22:10:38] <blackslide> and there was no prior version installed
3824 [22:10:41] <blackslide> so it's weird
3825 [22:10:45] <jelly> blackslide, pastebin the actual command you ran, and its whole output
3826 [22:10:49] <jelly> !paste
3827 [22:10:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
3828 [22:10:52] <blackslide> okay
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3831 [22:12:22] <jelly> !localized errors
3832 [22:12:22] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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3834 [22:12:37] <blackslide> allrighty, here's the apt install one: replaced-url
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3836 [22:13:31] <jelly> I'm going to assume that translates to "read-only filesystem"
3837 [22:13:34] <blackslide> and I don't even need to paste the other, since I get excactly the same last 8 lines with sudo dpkg -i packagename.deb
3838 [22:13:37] <blackslide> yes
3839 [22:13:54] <blackslide> and (broken pipe)
3840 [22:13:57] <jelly> blackslide, so... is your / filesystem mounted read-only right now?
3841 [22:14:08] <jelly> "mount"
3842 [22:14:42] <blackslide> that's odd...
3843 [22:15:16] <jelly> blackslide, dmesg output will tell you if your fs got remounted read-only because of errors
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3853 [22:20:17] <blackslide> seems to have a buggy sleep/resume so I guess a reboot is a quick way to fix it :D
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3855 [22:20:30] <blackslide> Thanks for directing me the right way :D
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3858 [22:21:03] <blackslide> dmesg error list was long as... I don't know.. an oil tanker...
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3860 [22:21:28] <blackslide> This Lenovo Helix build seems far from ready atm :)
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3893 [22:38:19] <jelly> !factinfo goal
3894 [22:38:19] <dpkg> goal -- created by jelly <~jelly@lan.iskon.hr> at Thu Jul 15 11:21:52 2010 (2743 days); it has been requested 118 times, last by petn-randall, 6h 20m 13s ago.
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3904 [22:44:59] <crazydip> I need to change behavior of logrotate for a package, noticed that in /etc/logrotate.d/<package> postrotate is using invoke-rc.d to reload on stretch, when both rc.d and systemd files are available, why is it using invoke-rc.d instead of systemd? maintainer preference?
3905 [22:46:25] <greycat> "because it still works" would be my first guess
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3907 [22:46:40] <jelly> crazydip, because invoke-rc.d works with both
3908 [22:47:04] <crazydip> jelly: ok, thanks
3909 [22:47:10] <jelly> a maintainer probably doesn't want to break sysvinit compatibility without good reason
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3911 [22:47:24] <crazydip> makes sense
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3960 [23:12:56] <Azimoth> Hi, I came across this Intel site and it sounds like a good way to deal with spectre. But is it really that easy? Just download Intels microcode into /etc/firmware and spectre is or less fixed? replaced-url
3961 [23:13:10] <Azimoth> *more or less
3962 [23:13:58] <apollo13> to the best of my knowledge microcode does not fix spectre
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3964 [23:14:33] <apollo13> retpoline has a chance of doing that, or at least a better/more efficient way
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3966 [23:14:39] <apollo13> assuming google didn't miss anything
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3969 [23:15:11] <Azimoth> apollo13: maybe I'm confusing it with meltdown once again (i never know which one is which)... would meltdown be a different story?
3970 [23:15:25] <apollo13> yes
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3972 [23:15:50] <apollo13> then again I do not know what the microcode updates fix exactly
3973 [23:15:58] <apollo13> but I doubt it fully fixes spectre
3974 [23:16:05] <Azimoth> apollo13: But then again, I think meltdown was taken care of by the standard debian updates
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3980 [23:17:16] <Azimoth> apollo13: But just in case: If I *wanted* to do that would it really only take dropping a file into /etc/firmware?
3981 [23:17:20] <apollo13> no
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3983 [23:17:28] <apollo13> you'd do apt install intel-microcode :D
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3990 [23:19:03] <Azimoth> apollo13: so I would want to check, whether it actually updates anything for my CPU...
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3994 [23:19:37] <apollo13> apt changelog intel-microcode
3995 [23:19:45] <apollo13> read and check ;)
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3997 [23:20:43] <Azimoth> thanks! Is there a way to check without enabeling non-free repos?
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3999 [23:21:24] <apollo13> replaced-url
4000 [23:21:28] <apollo13> from replaced-url
4001 [23:21:41] <apollo13> replace unstable with whatever you have
4002 [23:22:17] <apollo13> but yeah the changelog indicates some spectre fixes, but you'd probably have to read up on the variant and whatnot
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4004 [23:23:13] <rant> how would you run down a kernel panic/oops on shutdown? I had Debian Jessie installed on a thumbdrive and it shut down fine but now that I've installed Stretch to the HDD its failing to shut down with a kernel oops or such when I tell it to shut down.
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4006 [23:23:27] <Azimoth> apollo13: I'd be happy to know that it pushes my microcode beyond where it is right now (for my laptop it didn't do that)
4007 [23:23:35] <DerLGm> I tried using fdisk earlier but it said command not found but it's in the sbin directory
4008 [23:23:50] <apollo13> Azimoth: I have no idea what you are trying to say
4009 [23:23:54] <DerLGm> This is happening with other command's as well
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4013 [23:24:22] <apollo13> Azimoth: if you are not enabling non-free it cannot push anything :þ
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4015 [23:24:45] <DerLGm> It still happens as root as well. I'm not sure if it's an environment var issue or a permission issue
4016 [23:24:46] <Azimoth> apollo13: Dagnabbit... you're right
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4019 [23:25:30] <apollo13> Azimoth: that said if you also have windows on the laptop you'd want a bios update
4020 [23:25:34] <DerLGm> Though as root , it doesn't work still, so I'm inclined to think it's a var or path issue of some sort. Does anyone have any ideas?
4021 [23:25:38] <apollo13> microcode updates are not persistent
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4023 [23:26:02] <apollo13> DerLGm: echo $PATH
4024 [23:26:13] <Azimoth> apollo13: it's not a laptop, it's an upboard (basically, Raspi with Atom CPU and a little more RAM) ;)
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4027 [23:26:39] <DerLGm> apollo13: thnx I'll check that
4028 [23:27:06] <Azimoth> apollo13: and no, no Win
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4030 [23:27:34] <Azimoth> apollo13: I'll have to google a way how to allow ONLY the microcode relevant packages from non-free^^
4031 [23:27:48] <apollo13> Azimoth: what do you mean?
4032 [23:28:03] <apollo13> unless you explicitelly install from non-free you won't get anything from non-free
4033 [23:28:11] <apollo13> you can obviously also use pinning, but …
4034 [23:28:56] <apollo13> Azimoth: just add it, run apt update && apt upgrade and see if it wants to change anything
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4036 [23:29:02] <Azimoth> apollo13: Pinning? maybe that's what it's called on Debian... Gentoo calls it "unmask" (yes, using Gentoo, no, not really understanding what I do there^^)
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4039 [23:29:55] <apollo13> Azimoth: enabling a repo like non-free doesn't pull in everything from it, you still have to install it
4040 [23:30:17] <apollo13> in which case you'd just install intel-microcode
4041 [23:31:13] <Azimoth> apollo13: yes, but so far there was no need to care about the license
4042 [23:31:35] <SuperTramp83> I once heard that if you enable the non-free repo, Stallman will appear in your room with a whip. I would not risk it if I were you.
4043 [23:31:50] <apollo13> Azimoth: curious, why do you care?
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4047 [23:33:55] <Azimoth> apollo13: my personal challenge :D This is only my little cloud server, so I it's quite doable without non-free stuff, actually
4048 [23:34:23] <apollo13> Azimoth: as I said, unless you explicitly install something from non-free you generally will stay clean
4049 [23:34:47] <apollo13> that said, if you want the microcodes you are not staying non-free
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4051 [23:35:04] <Azimoth> apollo13: I value security over purity in this case ;)
4052 [23:35:07] <apollo13> independent on whether you use debian non-free or the original intel downloads
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4055 [23:35:53] <Azimoth> apollo13: BUT... there's come kind of conflict... "iucode-tool (>= 1.0) which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package"
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4057 [23:36:17] <apollo13> Azimoth: contrib you need
4058 [23:36:29] <apollo13> your purity will end today ;)
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4061 [23:37:21] <Azimoth> AND... I need to run update before install...
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