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• 44[00:24:02] <DexterF> somiaj, yup, solid, thanks
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• 48[00:24:48] <Andocromn> I just install KVM on debian i'm trying to convert debian VMs from Xen with virt-v2v... getting an error "unable to convert this guest type" can anyone help?
• 49[00:25:42] <zerocool> hey dudes my linux machines when they dhcp don't update dhcp, any ideas as to why?
• 50[00:25:45] <zerocool> or why not
• 51[00:25:59] <zerocool> like they get an ip address but i can't find them in dns, i have to put them manually
• 52[00:26:05] <somiaj> zerocool: by doesn't update, you mean once dhcp runs, it doesn't then run again later to get a new lease?
• 53[00:26:09] <zerocool> sorry, update dns* is what i meant
• 54[00:26:33] <somiaj> zerocool: update what dns? Do you have some dynamic dns sistuation setup or just a norma dns?
• 55[00:26:54] <zerocool> yeah dhcp updates dns usually, windows clients always do it
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• 57[00:27:17] <zerocool> my debian ones don't, they pull an ip and everything but i can't find them by name like i can with the windows clients
• 58[00:27:25] <Andocromn> i can't help... but for what its worth dynamic dns doesn't work for me either
• 59[00:27:27] <somiaj> What do you mean by update dns, you are not being clear.
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• 62[00:28:02] <somiaj> zerocool: do you mean, that dhcp is not updating /etc/resolv.conf or the default lookup server for your system?
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• 64[00:29:25] <zerocool> somiaj: what i mean is... typically you have a new computer you push the power button is comes on windows starts... asks dhcp, gets interface config, gets on the network... if you know that machine's hostname you can then ping it from another machine
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• 66[00:30:36] <zerocool> with debian you push the power button it comes on and boots up askes for interface config from dhcp gets it and it's online
• 67[00:30:44] <zerocool> if you know the machines hostname you ping it and ... nothing
• 68[00:30:52] <zerocool> no entry for this machine in dns
• 69[00:30:59] <somiaj> zerocool: This depends on the network. But you are saying your local dhcp server is setup to record the host name for the local network?
• 70[00:31:02] <zerocool> dhcp doesn't update dns for linux machines
• 71[00:31:27] <Andocromn> replaced-url
• 72[00:31:32] <Andocromn> is that what your talking about?
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• 74[00:31:59] <zerocool> we are in a windows env, windows dhcp and dns
• 75[00:32:05] <somiaj> I think you are slightly mistaken on how dhcp and dns are linked together. The client doesn't do anything to the dns server, all the dhcp client does send a reqest for an ip addres, it is the dhcp server that responds and may setup any dns entry needed.
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• 77[00:32:23] <somiaj> zerocool: are you on a windows active domain? (I think that is the name for it)
• 78[00:32:43] <zerocool> yeah this is an ad domain, windows dhcp and dns
• 79[00:32:48] <zerocool> ots
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• 81[00:32:53] <zerocool> it's active directory domain
• 82[00:32:59] <somiaj> so that is not dhcp, that is you are actually on an active domain (dhcp is only part of it)
• 83[00:33:27] <somiaj> the default linux tools do not integrate with active domains, so all the linux machine is doing is getting a dhcp request and ip, the machine has not actually joined the active domain.
• 84[00:33:32] <zerocool> no, dhcp still gets machines on the network like a cisco router would or even isc-dhcp
• 85[00:33:40] <somiaj> You can use samba to join the active domain, which should then put your info in the active domain dns lookup
• 86[00:33:52] <elektron> 'send host-name "andare.example.com";'
• 87[00:33:53] <somiaj> cisco routers usually have samba
• 88[00:34:01] <zerocool> because it's configured to by default it will then tell dns the hostname of the machine that it just put on the network... updating dns
• 89[00:34:02] <elektron> rtfm 'man dhclient.conf'
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• 91[00:34:14] <zerocool> but with linux machines it's not doing this and it has nothing to do with domain membership
• 92[00:34:22] <zerocool> android phones even end up in dns
• 93[00:34:27] <zerocool> via the same process
• 94[00:34:34] <zerocool> it's strickly the debian machines
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• 96[00:35:15] <zerocool> that i have to add to the domain, there is nothing in common except that they are all debian, for instance they are all over the network, it's not related to the vlan or segment or subnet or whatever logical network thingy you might suspect
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• 98[00:35:35] <somiaj> well you can look at dhclient and see if you just need to include more information in your dhcp request, there is also dhcpcd wich might help.
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• 100[00:35:50] <zerocool> kk i will check there somiaj
• 101[00:35:55] <zerocool> thank you
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• 103[00:36:11] <somiaj> but you should check what your dhcp server is actually doing, as what you are talking about has little to do with the client on the dhcp side
• 104[00:36:42] <somiaj> and it could be that your dhcp server is updating some dns on your local network indiependent of the active domain, but I'm not quite sure how windows networks deal with this.
• 105[00:36:43] <zerocool> and Andocromn i did a p2v into kvm the other day by only using ssh and dd into a .img on the kvm/libvirt server
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• 109[00:37:25] <zerocool> it worked really well, i only needed to... to the dd, then convert the image into a qcow2, then copy/edit and define a new vm for the disk
• 110[00:37:39] <Andocromn> i havn't tried p2v, this would be a v2v
• 111[00:37:40] <zerocool> it booted right up and has been performing just fine
• 112[00:37:56] <zerocool> Andocromn: i think it will be the same process
• 113[00:38:06] <zerocool> if you're using linux
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• 117[00:38:27] <zerocool> and pretty standard setup, no custom kernels/drivers/etc.
• 118[00:39:36] <Andocromn> looks like i was overthinking this
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• 120[00:39:47] <Andocromn> the image just booted
• 121[00:40:36] <zerocool> Andocromn: it's usually a chore like you imagined. with hyperv and esxi anyway... usually have to download a cool.exe and run that... which takes 1000 years, then it boots
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• 124[00:41:38] <Andocromn> yeah, i guess maybe because i was using libvirt with xen and am still using libvirt with KVM it just works with the same image file
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• 129[00:42:13] <Andocromn> altough networking did not go straight through
• 130[00:42:45] <zerocool> well i think you still have to mod the qemu bits to match your env
• 131[00:42:56] <zerocool> so like networking and storage settings etc
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• 179[01:02:50] <mandeep> is there a way to see the changelog for linux-headers-4.9.0-5-amd64
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• 184[01:05:39] <zerocool> mandeep: replaced-url
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• 187[01:06:26] <wgertler> msg NickServ identify cdkvq1kr`
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• 189[01:06:36] <mandeep> zerocool: thanks the link works fine for me
• 190[01:06:37] <wgertler> oh shoot
• 191[01:06:39] <Abi12> rofl
• 192[01:06:41] <Abi12> hahah
• 193[01:06:47] <wgertler> loooool
• 194[01:06:50] <mandeep> nice
• 195[01:06:52] <Abi12> wgertler: nice.
• 196[01:06:54] <zerocool> oh no
• 197[01:07:14] <zerocool> i have always been so worried of doing that
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• 199[01:07:31] <zerocool> mine is scripted but still when i do it manually i sweat
• 200[01:07:56] <wgertler> goddamn
• 201[01:08:00] <wgertler> I'm gonna uh
• 202[01:08:02] <wgertler> get on that
• 203[01:08:04] <wgertler> like now
• 204[01:08:41] <mandeep> zerocool: where's the changelog on the packages site?
• 205[01:09:02] <somiaj> zerocool: replaced-url
• 206[01:09:08] <somiaj> network is up.
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• 211[01:09:59] <zerocool> somiaj: you are a sweety, i'll check that out in a few.
• 212[01:10:21] <benrob0329> Can /boot be fat32, or do I need an ext boot partition?
• 213[01:10:30] <somiaj> zerocool: it doens't give any specifics, but gives you directions to head to look for solutions.
• 214[01:10:48] <zerocool> anything is better than what im working with ;)
• 215[01:11:08] <benrob0329> (I'm on EFI so I'll need a fat32 partition either way)
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• 217[01:11:51] <somiaj> I thought efi was fat16, or does fat32 also work?
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• 219[01:12:06] <benrob0329> 32 is all I've ever used
• 220[01:12:25] <benrob0329> I'm asking about the rest of /boot though
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• 222[01:12:54] <benrob0329> As in, will I run into problems without symbolic linking on /boot?
• 223[01:13:06] <somiaj> I had a user here who mounted the efi partition on /boot and upgrade scripts of the kernel failed because dpkg uses hardlinks to back things up during the upgrade.
• 224[01:13:15] <somiaj> so /boot will need a file system that supports hardlinks
• 225[01:13:18] <benrob0329> Gotcha
• 226[01:13:21] <benrob0329> Thanks
• 227[01:13:30] * benrob0329 redoes partitioning
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• 229[01:14:23] <somiaj> the user just manually worked around the issue, but sounded like a pain to me to put /boot on the efi partition.
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• 256[01:25:53] <zerocool> anyone know much about dns?
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• 260[01:27:10] <somiaj> zerocool: it appears you might just be able to configure dhclient to include the required information to update its dns.
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• 263[01:27:38] <zerocool> basically i have two dns servers, two domains on two networks connected by vpn tunnel... i want it so that if one of the dns servers gets a request for the other zone (x.domain.com) it'll try to resolve public first, like to 8.8.8.8 then fall back to the private dns
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• 265[01:28:17] <petn-randall> zerocool: Well, it'll get an answer from public, likely NXDOMAIN.
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• 267[01:28:52] <zerocool> petn-randall: yeah but then what about the ones that aren't public
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• 271[01:30:54] <zerocool> so far i have... set up a secondary forward lookup zone for the other domain with the specific A records... but then we have a bunch of other records that we need to resolve so I removed the secondary and created a stub but then realized some dns servers weren't routable through this vpn so then created a conditional forward to look specifically to two dns servers that were routable
• 272[01:31:29] <zerocool> but now... they don't hit the other forwards, they see the domain and go straight to the dns servers, which replies back with the private addresses and not the public
• 273[01:31:38] <zerocool> our public and private domain is the same :|
• 274[01:31:49] <zerocool> so like domain.com registers in and out
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• 279[01:35:38] <zerocool> oh well, it's not debian specific anyway i suppose, nobody seems to know the answer and i can't google hard enough :(
• 280[01:35:46] <zerocool> i have books at home i need to read
• 281[01:36:15] <somiaj> There is ##networking
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• 301[01:47:26] <zerocool> i think they helped me find it!
• 302[01:47:31] <zerocool> somiaj: thank you
• 303[01:47:34] <zerocool> replaced-url
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• 306[01:49:42] <wgertler> I'm having this weird problem where I whenever I try to enable wifi, it fails. Have any of you encountered that before? I had this problem when I ran ubuntu as well :P
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• 310[01:52:47] <bookworm> what do the logs say?
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• 312[01:53:48] <leibniz> p npnnpp
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• 318[01:55:47] <noocx> replaced-url
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• 322[01:57:02] <Emil> Hi
• 323[01:57:32] <noocx> hi
• 324[01:57:37] <Emil> Any suggestions as to why a usb cdc device is not assigned a /dev/ file?
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• 329[01:59:23] <Emil> replaced-url
• 330[01:59:38] <Emil> The device is recognized just fine and works in Windows of all things
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• 383[02:35:44] <somiaj> Emil: all I see there is the device is reconginzed in as so much as the usb driver can spitout some product/vendor strings on it, but it dosen't appear to be assiging it to an actual module to interface with it.
• 384[02:36:03] <Emil> somiaj: exactly
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• 386[02:36:41] <somiaj> it could be that no module on your system recongizes that vendor/product id combo, you can sometimes force modules to try to attach to a paticular device.
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• 388[02:37:32] <somiaj> I don't really know what a CDC device is, but it appears that your kernel doesn't know module to assign that device too. What kernel is this on?
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• 396[02:39:52] <jaggz> something changed. When I run screen, it returns me to the prompt with no error. strace screen showed "Directory '/run/screen' must have mode 777"
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• 400[02:40:49] <jaggz> I looked for the error online but didn't find anything.. figured I'd try it. Then I run screen and I actually do get output -- the same message (but this time I see the message output), and this time it wants 775
• 401[02:41:24] <jaggz> (the strace might have been doing something to the other run asking for 777)
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• 403[02:41:36] <jaggz> in either case, at 775 screen still doesn't run
• 404[02:41:40] <Arahael> zerocool: A bit of searching around seems ot suggest that the hardware isn't fully supported.
• 405[02:41:49] <Arahael> zerocool: Assumign that is actually an rpi3.
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• 407[02:41:54] <somiaj> jaggz: drwxrwxr-x 2 root utmp 40 Jan 4 17:57 screen -- what I have for /run/screen
• 408[02:42:02] <jaggz> yeah, 775
• 409[02:42:04] <jaggz> same
• 410[02:42:11] <jaggz> screen's returning immediately to my prompt
• 411[02:42:17] <Arahael> zerocool: (So you might need to use some binary blobs.)
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• 413[02:43:06] <somiaj> jaggz: ls -l /usr/bin/screen, it is setgid utmp?
• 414[02:43:22] <somiaj> jaggz: is utmp the group of your /run/screen?
• 415[02:43:27] <allizom> Arahael: > Emil I presume?
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• 418[02:44:15] <Arahael> allizom: No.
• 419[02:44:21] <jaggz> somiaj, yes, yes.
• 420[02:44:24] <allizom> sorry then
• 421[02:44:29] <jaggz> somiaj, maybe after some updates I need to reboot
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• 423[02:44:59] <Arahael> Err... allizom Appologies, it is indeed Emil!
• 424[02:45:09] <jaggz> been weeks.. and maybe some of the spectre/meltdown patches went in (although I didn't see anything going into the kernel or anything striking me as special)
• 425[02:45:25] <Arahael> Emil: A bit of searching around seems ot suggest that the hardware isn't fully supported, at least if you believe replaced-url
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• 430[02:45:56] <Arahael> jaggz: My impression was that those patches were what triggered all this investigation.
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• 432[02:46:00] <somiaj> jaggz: which screen? maybe it is some other permission issue in /dev and just getting grouped together with the access of /run/screen
• 433[02:46:05] <betatester> this machine is rip roaring with whatever kernel got patched
• 434[02:46:14] <somiaj> jaggz: and yes maybe a reboot would clean that up, but i'm unusre what the issue could be.
• 435[02:46:29] <somiaj> jaggz: does /run/screen have any contents?
• 436[02:46:42] <jaggz> me too.. probably best to do a reboot just to be sure instead of wasting time. run/screen has my user and one root screen
• 437[02:47:02] <jaggz> both 700
• 438[02:47:13] <jaggz> Arahael, ?
• 439[02:47:53] <Arahael> jaggz: They were under an embargo, so these patches, if I recall, were a bit WTFy.
• 440[02:48:19] <betatester> kentfield ols shit running faster than ever before
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• 443[02:48:47] <betatester> 10% cpu cooler on all 4
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• 451[02:52:34] <jaggz> okay.. figured out something. Each time I ran screen, it started a new screen session in my other screen running in another term
• 452[02:52:39] <jaggz> that's brand new behavior to me
• 453[02:53:11] <petemc> it should tell you if you're running screen within screen
• 454[02:53:33] <jaggz> I was running screen, not from within any screen, but a fresh term window.. and it was creating new screens within my running session over in another term window
• 455[02:54:00] <jaggz> Arahael, who was under an embargo?
• 456[02:54:09] <petemc> what does echo `tty` say for both sessions?
• 457[02:54:31] <petemc> or just tty
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• 459[02:54:45] <jaggz> really? echo `tty`? lol
• 460[02:54:53] <petemc> ?
• 461[02:55:23] <Arahael> jaggz: I'm not sure, actually - honestly it's probably just a rumour I heard.
• 462[02:55:27] <jaggz> it shows /dev/pts/XX within my screen, and /dev/pts/XX+1 from my plain shell
• 463[02:55:40] <jaggz> petemc, tty and echo `tty` show the same thing :)
• 464[02:55:55] <petemc> thanks for the pointer
• 465[02:56:05] <jaggz> hehe
• 466[02:56:06] <petemc> muscle memory from another command i use
• 467[02:56:10] <jaggz> np :)
• 468[02:56:17] <jaggz> I hear ya
• 469[02:56:47] <jaggz> and if I exit that other screen session it shows /dev/pts/X
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• 472[02:57:03] <jaggz> a third number :)
• 473[02:58:18] <jaggz> screen within my screen doesn't say "running from within screen", it adds a new screen window (like ^A-c does)
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• 475[02:58:48] <jaggz> anyway.. this isn't urgent.. just weird.. it reminds me to stick with my current screen session and make progress on a project.. instead of trying to print something to help feed my wife.
• 476[02:59:39] <Arahael> jaggz: Incidentially, I tend to use tmux these days instead of screen.
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• 479[03:00:22] <jaggz> Arahael, I can't stand tmux -- only because it would show the window at the minimum sized connected client
• 480[03:00:56] <Arahael> jaggz: That's configurable, I believe.
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• 482[03:01:22] <jaggz> things said no at the time.. only returned to it once since then (when I forgot why I couldn't tolerate it) :)
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• 484[03:02:23] <jaggz> the "official" stackoverflow answer says: "tmux limits the dimensions of a window to the smallest of each dimension across all the sessions to which the window is attached. If it did not do this there would be no sensible way to display the whole window area for all the attached clients"
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• 491[03:03:00] <jaggz> (official was sarcasm)
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• 497[03:05:36] <Emil> somiaj: okay so I nuked the raspi and reinstalled, seems like its working now
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• 500[03:06:18] <Emil> Arahael: it's interesting that the device isn't supported because it ran just fine with another raspi some months ago :D
• 501[03:06:30] <somiaj> Emil: is this on raspbian?
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• 503[03:06:33] <Emil> somiaj: yes
• 504[03:06:52] <somiaj> this could be an affect of the kernel that was used, and in general is not supported in debian.
• 505[03:07:02] <Emil> ah okay
• 506[03:07:03] <jaggz> Arahael, I guess they just didn't want to handle that feature.. not sure why it's such a big deal when screen does it fine (a bit jumpy.. it follows the cursor I think)
• 507[03:07:28] <Emil> somiaj: but now there is a usb_cdc that's is taking over the device
• 508[03:07:31] <jaggz> I tried to resize-pane manually to a larger width than a 2nd smaller client and it said, "size 39x22 from a smaller client"
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• 510[03:07:39] <jaggz> doesn't seem to want to do it :)
• 511[03:07:47] <Arahael> jaggz: Ah, yeah, now that I look at it, kyou can't quite do it in tmux. Seems to be a very odd need, though!
• 512[03:07:56] <jaggz> anyway.. I could switch to it and always just disconnect.. but gonna get back to my project instead.. caught myself. :)
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• 514[03:08:52] <jaggz> probably it's much nicer otherwise
• 515[03:09:19] <Arahael> jaggz: I'd probably have a 'master' session with the left pane set to a "small-window" session.
• 516[03:09:31] <Arahael> jaggz: That involves nested tmux though.
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• 518[03:10:01] <Emil> Arahael: somiaj thanks for helping out
• 519[03:10:09] <jaggz> Arahael, thanks a bunch. someday I might return to learning tmux :)
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• 522[03:10:52] <Arahael> jaggz: For me, it was the ability to have vertical splits without resourcing to patches.
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• 576[03:57:57] <benrob0329> How do I get into an emergency shell, I mean like an initramfs shell before it tries to remount rootfs)
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• 578[03:58:29] <benrob0329> Not an "ok if everything starts ok you can get in and do stuff" shell
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• 592[04:06:47] <somiaj> benrob0329: replaced-url
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• 598[04:10:17] <benrob0329> somiaj: thanks
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• 600[04:11:06] <benrob0329> I have to say, the documentation for manual Debian installs..its a bit sparse
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• 602[04:11:29] <benrob0329> I've had to supplement with the arch wiki
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• 621[04:24:09] <paulez[m]> benrob0329: add init=/bin/bash to kernel command line?
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• 636[04:33:57] <benrob0329> paulez[m]: >exit
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• 638[04:34:10] <benrob0329> Oh, thats what happens if init exits unexpectedly
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• 642[04:35:24] <awal1> benrob0329, emergency shell in the fly you want?
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• 655[04:39:52] <benrob0329> So the bcache module is installed, but /dev/bcache0 is not created before rootfs remount
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• 657[04:40:02] <benrob0329> But if I make bash the init, it exists
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• 659[04:40:39] <awal1> how can I modify x word in x file without editing it?
• 660[04:41:18] <benrob0329> awal1: you mean without a text editor, as in from a script?
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• 666[04:42:49] <awal1> benrob0329, say, change all "stretch" words in sources.list to "buster"?
• 667[04:42:58] <somiaj> use sed
• 668[04:43:05] <benrob0329> ^^
• 669[04:43:15] <awal1> ok, let me check
• 670[04:43:24] <benrob0329> Or vi/m, ed commands
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• 675[04:46:43] <jaggz> somiaj, thanks for the help earlier (with screen).. no solution yet, btw.. but I'll return to the issue after a reboot sometime.. :) ttyl
• 676[04:46:47] <jaggz> b'bye buds
• 677[04:46:55] <jaggz> Arahael, b'bye :)
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• 681[04:48:13] <Emil> Okay so
• 682[04:48:17] <Emil> wtf
• 683[04:48:22] <Emil> replaced-url
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• 685[04:48:33] <Emil> how can I be missing documentation for pthread_rwlock_init :D
• 686[04:48:53] <somiaj> Is this on raspbian? You should be using their support.
• 687[04:48:59] <Emil> no
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• 689[04:49:01] <Emil> on debian
• 690[04:49:03] <Emil> on a vps
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• 692[04:49:20] <somiaj> sometimes man pages are in different packages, one second
• 693[04:49:50] <somiaj> do you mean pthreads (not pthread)?
• 694[04:49:50] <awal1> ok solved it with sed -i 's/stretch/buster/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 696[04:50:16] <Emil> somiaj: replaced-url
• 697[04:50:31] <Emil> It's also listed in man pthread.h
• 698[04:50:50] <Emil> replaced-url
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• 700[04:51:27] <somiaj> what version of the package are you using, it could be the stable version in debian is older than the online source you are looking at
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• 703[04:51:43] <Emil> which package should I check?
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• 705[04:52:17] <somiaj> looks like they are part of manpages-posix-dev in sid, and I se it there
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• 707[04:52:46] <somiaj> ,v manpages-posix-dev
• 708[04:52:47] <judd> Package: manpages-posix-dev on amd64 -- jessie/non-free: 2.16-1; wheezy/non-free: 2.16-1; buster/non-free: 2013a-2; sid/non-free: 2013a-2; stretch/non-free: 2013a-2
• 709[04:52:54] <themill> awal1: sed -i s/foo/bar/ filename
• 710[04:52:55] <Emil> Version: 2013a-2
• 711[04:52:58] <themill> awal1: yes
• 712[04:53:11] <Emil> but pthread_rwlock_init is way older than that
• 713[04:53:40] <somiaj> Emil: hmm, yea, you may have to go look at the source package for more info.
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• 716[04:53:56] <Emil> somiaj: but you have pthread_rwlock_init in your manpages?
• 717[04:54:15] <Emil> I'm on Debian 9.3
• 718[04:55:09] <somiaj> Emil: replaced-url
• 719[04:55:10] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 720[04:55:19] <awal1> themill, ok, that is shorter; thanks :) (I have to check more closely man sed later)
• 721[04:55:27] <somiaj> Emil: I wonder if your issue is similar to that bug, that this manpage also has another name, and the debian package doesn't contain a link.
• 722[04:56:36] <Emil> somiaj: lulz
• 723[04:56:38] <Emil> exactly t
• 724[04:56:39] <Emil> hat
• 725[04:56:49] <Emil> man pthread_rwlock_destroy details both functions
• 726[04:57:14] <Emil> somiaj: now that's pretty bad :D I wonder if it'll be fixed
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• 728[04:57:23] <Emil> and I could not have found this out without you
• 729[04:58:39] <somiaj> It is just a wishlist bug, so kinda up to the matainer. You can add this example to the bug report if it isn't already there. The issue is known though. You could also create a patch and submit it to the bug
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• 750[05:05:51] <hiexpo> hi all hey i got debian 9 installed and have noticed a few changes first I noticed that it says when adding sources is /etc/apt/sources.list.d which is a folder but the sources are at /etc/apt/sources.list the file whats the deal next is when i go into the theme it does not allow one to modify the colors any longer in the theme is there something ?I am missing
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• 754[05:07:35] <somiaj> hiexpo: you can use either, basically a folder like /etc/apt/sources.list.d allows you to split up your sources.list into multiple files, or let scripts or other thigns add/remove sources by adding/removing files.
• 755[05:07:59] <awal1> I always considered the blue pup-up window in Console (tty's) after kernel upgrades, needrestart advices... as problematic because I lose the previous output . How can i avoid that? It doesn't happen in X; just in Console, why?
• 756[05:08:05] <somiaj> hiexpo: in stretch you can use either a signle sources.list file, or seperate files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, or a combination of the both.
• 757[05:08:23] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay
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• 760[05:09:11] <hiexpo> somiaj, also when in a terminal it use to be able to tab complete but now it no longer does that
• 761[05:09:45] <somiaj> it should still be able to, tab completion works fine here
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• 763[05:11:01] <hiexpo> somiaj, yah whenever I have the sudo then start with the app. it won't complete
• 764[05:11:24] <somiaj> a lot depends on your enviorment and shell scripts that are run
• 765[05:11:44] <noocx> noob questiob and can find it elsewhere but how i add uid to fstab?
• 766[05:12:00] <noocx> not in the fstab man
• 767[05:12:11] <hiexpo> somiaj, i am still in mate as before in jessie
• 768[05:12:17] <somiaj> noocx: UUID=blah as the start of the line.
• 769[05:12:38] <noocx> i dint mean uuid, i meant want to mount a device with a specific user uid
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• 771[05:13:04] <noocx> so i need to add uid, gid into fstab right?
• 772[05:13:07] <somiaj> noocx: what file system?
• 773[05:13:10] <noocx> ext4
• 774[05:13:13] <somiaj> noocx: well this depends on the file system.
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• 777[05:13:39] <noocx> want to use my device to store data on in my user's home
• 778[05:13:53] <somiaj> noocx: you don't set the uid of in fstab for this.
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• 780[05:14:04] <noocx> so how could i solve it?
• 781[05:14:05] <somiaj> just chmod/chown the file system wherever it is mounted as normal
• 782[05:14:22] <noocx> ok let me check
• 783[05:15:30] <noocx> ok, worked, thanks
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• 806[05:40:47] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay I got bash complete fixed now I noticed when I ls a dir it highlights some of the dirs how do i stop that
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• 870[06:35:36] <somiaj> hiexpo: what do you mean hilights? look at the permisions, it might be ls showing you info about sticky bits, and the like.
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• 872[06:35:46] <somiaj> hiexpo: give the output of ls -l and let us know which ones are being hilighted
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• 894[06:50:32] <hiexpo> somiaj, like when I cd in a dir you now how when you ls it the folders should be in blue color well some are just the blue text like normal but many have a green highlighting over them making the unreadable
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• 902[06:54:49] <hiexpo> somiaj, and I do not understand why
• 903[06:54:55] <somiaj> hiexpo: the colors shown are dependent on the file permeisions and/or any suffix attached. you could just do ls without the --color flag atached to it.
• 904[06:55:24] <somiaj> hiexpo: try ls --color=none /foo, better to read?
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• 909[06:56:15] <hiexpo> somiaj, is ther a way to just have it output the color without highlighting
• 910[06:57:20] <somiaj> you coulud man dircolors and configure the colors that differnt thigns use, but by default, no these are the default colors for the permisions that are appearing on the filesystem you are looking at
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• 912[06:57:29] <somiaj> man dircolors for more info
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• 920[07:02:31] <hiexpo> somiaj, okay I see it has to do with file permissions now so how can I change the color of the highlighting
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• 924[07:05:09] <annadane> my guess is probably .bashrc
• 925[07:05:30] <annadane> also probably depends on the terminal
• 926[07:05:56] <hiexpo> annadane, okay and i have mate terminal
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• 948[07:19:03] <somiaj> hiexpo: man dircolors, or look for various guides, it will explain how to configure and use custom colors
• 949[07:19:39] <hiexpo> somiaj, okaythanks
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• 995[07:46:34] <buu> So... who would like to suggest ways to debug a system that dies under load
• 996[07:47:31] <buu> also why don't I have journalctl logs from past boots?
• 997[07:47:47] <Arahael> buu: I usually stare at the temperature or PSU.
• 998[07:48:21] <buu> semperature is maxing out at 59c
• 999[07:48:29] <buu> Dunno how to test psu usefully
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• 1001[07:49:18] <Arahael> buu: If it's a consistent failure, and you happen to have a spare larger capacity PSU, you could just swap it out.
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• 1004[07:50:17] <buu> I think all my psus are in use now =[
• 1005[07:50:24] <buu> Also I did see this once: panic - not syncing: stack-protector: Kernel stack is corrupted in: ffffffffa01892e8"
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• 1030[08:03:04] <buu> This is feeling like a memory issue
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• 1093[08:44:20] <teatime> buu: you gotta do something to tell journald to log to disk
• 1094[08:44:22] <teatime> or something.
• 1095[08:44:28] <buu> I set it to persistent =[
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• 1097[08:44:34] <teatime> there's always memtest86
• 1098[08:44:39] <buu> running it now
• 1099[08:44:44] <buu> Does that test every stick at the same time?
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• 1102[08:44:58] <teatime> yes, it's not the most definitive/reliable thing in the world
• 1103[08:45:06] <teatime> it just writes stuff to ram and sees if it can read back the same data
• 1104[08:45:12] <teatime> over and over
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• 1168[09:21:39] <shtrb> If I like to prevent an app from reading disk content my options are firejail + chroot /vm or is there a better way ?
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• 1186[09:29:55] <teatime> shtrb: have you considered old-fashioned permissions?
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• 1188[09:31:50] <shtrb> I have, I think it would be more hassle than that (create a new user, make sure /etc |/usr|/boot|/home is under the correct permission etc
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• 1201[09:42:11] <adac> when I list/grep for linux-image I get the follwoing: replaced-url
• 1202[09:42:15] <adac> Package 'linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64' is not installed, so not removed
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• 1214[09:48:31] <dpkg> shtrb: I give up, what is it?
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• 1216[09:49:00] <shtrb> also use --get-selections and not just list to see the full state
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• 1279[10:35:05] <zetheroo> We have a few VM servers running Debian 9 (Proxmox) and I am wondering what's more stable - Swappiness set to 0 or something like 1 -> 10 ?
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• 1281[10:38:05] <petn-randall> zetheroo: It's most "stable" if you leave the setting at the default value.
• 1282[10:38:08] <jelly> zetheroo: proxmox has its own kernel patches; you'll have to ask them their kernel behaves
• 1283[10:39:01] <jelly> petn-randall: actually that's one of a dozen tunables we change at work, the default is way too aggressive
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• 1286[10:39:12] <zetheroo> jelly, and if it was not PVE? Say it was libvirt on Debian 9
• 1287[10:39:26] <jelly> but it isn't, is it
• 1288[10:39:35] <zetheroo> petn-randall: default is 60 ... no way can we leave it at that for a server
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• 1290[10:40:05] <zetheroo> jelly: well it's also a question I have in general - and it would be nice to know for other/future use
• 1291[10:40:39] <jelly> no, it's not. You have a specific platform in mind. My saying I'd never use 0 does not apply to that platform.
• 1292[10:41:02] <jelly> ask ##proxmox
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• 1306[10:47:41] <zetheroo> jelly: I did - seems like 0 is completely disabling swap since Linux kernel 3.5
• 1307[10:47:52] <zetheroo> so definitely not doing that - they recommend 10
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• 1309[10:49:36] <jelly> that seems a reasonable value (and is what I use for servers with debian and centos distro kernels)
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• 1370[11:25:50] <jim> jelly, figured some folks would want to get started protecting themselves
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• 1415[12:00:32] <emeraldgreen> guys are you able to install libopentk1.1-cil on sid ?
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• 1425[12:03:51] <Iridos> I have something that is supposed to be an iso-image, but isn't. "file" just says it's "data"
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• 1428[12:04:11] <Iridos> Is there some utility that checks if there's a valid image with some offset or so?
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• 1434[12:05:49] <colo-work> Iridos, try binwalk
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• 1438[12:07:51] <shtrb> Iridos search for CD001 in the begining it might be not an iso but isz or something like that
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• 1440[12:09:06] <Iridos> trying both, thanks
• 1441[12:09:20] <Iridos> is CD001 present in all iso images, even dvd images or whatever?
• 1442[12:09:56] <Iridos> it's 7.5GB big
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• 1444[12:10:15] <Iridos> hm, and fgrep says it doesn't contain CD001
• 1445[12:10:18] <shtrb> 7.5 is dual layer (the CD001 is for cds)
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• 1447[12:11:39] <shtrb> 10 min I will download a debian dvd to check if it's there
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• 1449[12:13:05] <Iridos> I have DVDs of the same stuff, I can look
• 1450[12:13:10] <shtrb> DVD does not seem to have CD001
• 1451[12:13:13] <Iridos> the file does contain OSTA Compressed Unicode and ImgBurn v2.5.8.0
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• 1453[12:13:32] <Iridos> oh well, just writing them a ticket… but their reaction time was pretty horrible
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• 1457[12:14:53] <Iridos> it seems like that is supposed to be an udf image
• 1458[12:14:57] <shtrb> that is a UDF marker (which does look similar)
• 1459[12:15:05] <shtrb> *promising
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• 1461[12:15:39] <shtrb> Iridos does mounting it works ?
• 1462[12:15:44] <Iridos> hm, seems fuseiso can't do udf, at least to some forums
• 1463[12:15:49] <Iridos> no… if it did, I wouldn't ask
• 1464[12:16:07] <emeraldgreen> libgles1-mesa : Depends: libglapi-mesa (= 13.0.6-1+b2) but 17.3.2-1 is to be installed
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• 1466[12:16:18] <emeraldgreen> wat do
• 1467[12:16:37] <shtrb> I mean with UDF in the mount command (not fuse)
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• 1473[12:18:35] <Iridos> mmh. I'd need to copy it somewhere locally… it's on a machine I'm not root on. And my crappy work desktop has little space
• 1474[12:18:44] <Iridos> not sure I can mount over sshfs… or should :P
• 1475[12:18:54] * shtrb didn't realize it's not local
• 1476[12:19:09] <shtrb> sshfs had not failed me yet
• 1477[12:19:24] <Arahael> sshfs might cache it on disk.
• 1478[12:19:31] <Iridos> and worse… this is the linux version of a commercial software… if I have difficulties mounting it… I can't just give that to other users. meh.
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• 1480[12:19:45] <Iridos> I can copy it to local, just takes a bit
• 1481[12:19:59] <Arahael> Iridos: If you have a lot of RAM, you could create a ramdisk.
• 1482[12:20:08] <shtrb> good luck , but because that's dual layer that sound like something that might have issues
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• 1484[12:20:18] <shtrb> 7.5 GB ram disk ?!
• 1485[12:20:34] <shtrb> ramdisk.sys
• 1486[12:20:48] <Arahael> How much swap do you have? And how much RAM?
• 1487[12:20:53] <Iridos> mh. binwalk finds the executables in it
• 1488[12:21:50] <Iridos> nah, I'm good. worst case I use an external disk. it's on the remote system because it's supposed for download
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• 1491[12:22:56] <Iridos> ok… will copy it over lunch and see if I can mount as udf
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• 1493[12:23:05] <Iridos> still weird that "file" doesn't recognize it
• 1494[12:23:23] <Arahael> It might not have the magic. Literally. :)
• 1495[12:23:28] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1496[12:23:28] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1497[12:23:33] <Arahael> (file works using a database of *magic numbers*)
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• 1499[12:23:39] <Iridos> yeah… seems it's decidedly un-magic-al
• 1500[12:23:43] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: Can you provide *all* of the above factoid in a single paste? ^^^
• 1501[12:23:43] <Iridos> I know
• 1502[12:23:44] <shtrb> I don't have any DL iso to play with , maybe file can't handle DLs ?
• 1503[12:23:49] <Arahael> It's basically a heuristic.
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• 1506[12:24:26] <Iridos> yeah… it repeatedly fails on ascii files with an unusual encoding
• 1507[12:24:29] <Iridos> laters
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• 1509[12:25:29] <Arahael> Iridos: The encoding of ASCII files is ASCII.
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• 1518[12:29:42] <emeraldgreen> petn-randall: replaced-url
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• 1521[12:29:59] <petn-randall> !bat
• 1522[12:30:00] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 1523[12:30:03] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: ^^^
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• 1525[12:30:26] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: Read it again, you are missing 2. and 3. from the paste.
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• 1532[12:32:23] <gepegga> ciao
• 1533[12:32:31] <gepegga> !list
• 1534[12:32:31] <dpkg> gepegga: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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• 1539[12:33:33] <emeraldgreen> petn-randall: replaced-url
• 1540[12:33:34] <petn-randall> gepegga: Why do Italian people do this?
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• 1543[12:34:06] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 1544[12:34:06] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 1545[12:34:08] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: ^^^
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• 1549[12:34:34] <emeraldgreen> petn-randall how are my repos "random" if they are official
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• 1552[12:34:59] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: You are mixing stretch, testing and sid on the same system. This is not supported and will only cause problems. I suggest reinstalling and only using stretch.
• 1553[12:35:24] <petn-randall> The factoid indeed sounds snarky, I'll fix that.
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• 1556[12:36:13] <emeraldgreen> Aha, so I forgot to comment out older apt.list entries, will truy with sid only. Stretch is already becoming too old
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• 1562[12:37:53] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: I wouldn't use sid because stretch is "too old", stretch also has backports which comes with fairly new software. testing/sid is more geared towards beta-testers, so if something breaks you have been warned :).
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• 1568[12:39:21] <rocketmagnet> hi all, iave troubles when iwant to open pdf files - debian uses the default app but i have a custom app (foxitread) that i want to use, the location oof foxitread in my my hooefolder
• 1569[12:39:34] <rocketmagnet> i can only select other software but foxitread isn't listed
• 1570[12:39:47] <emeraldgreen> petn-randall I understand that, but I have ~1 year of experience of using sid as my main OS, nothing broke yet. I'm just puzzled by this concrete repo bug thing and wondering if it is reproducible on any sid machine or it is just mine. But if guess I'll manage it somehow
• 1571[12:40:12] <rocketmagnet> how can i add to the mime-type the foxread connection ?
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• 1573[12:41:51] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: Sure, just be aware that things do break from time to time *hard*. Meaning: There have been bugs in the past that caused all sid systems not to boot anymore. Also, there's a dedicated channel for testing/sid:
• 1574[12:41:55] <petn-randall> !debian-next
• 1575[12:41:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1577[12:42:27] <petn-randall> emeraldgreen: ^^^ Feel free to hang out in there, all the testing/sid users are there, and testing/sid support is preferably done over there. :)
• 1578[12:43:28] <emeraldgreen> petn-randall yup, I do backups before major upgrades
• 1579[12:43:29] <oerheks> petn-randall, that is an old one, gepegga uses budus script to look for downloads
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• 1598[12:52:36] <petn-randall> oerheks: Ah, good to know! I've been wondering what this is for many years.
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• 1607[12:54:30] <Deutschlander> so bite me you hippie linux fuckers
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• 1627[13:01:51] <shtrb> was he banned for saying he loves windows ?
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• 1629[13:02:48] <petn-randall> Please don't comment on spam, it's as annoying as the spam itself. Time to move on!
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• 1638[13:06:26] <emaia> hi, any one knows if Debian LTS will release the Package linux-image-3.16.0-0.bpo.4-amd64 (wheezy-backports) with the fix for Meltdown? thanks
• 1639[13:06:47] <soyeomul> at BTS messages, what does "ITP/ITT" mean? I saw that words at debian-l10n-german@lists.debian.org mailing threads.
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• 1642[13:07:37] <shtrb> intent to package
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• 1645[13:08:31] <shtrb> emaia, I think yes
• 1646[13:08:40] <soyeomul> thanks for itp! i got it
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• 1649[13:09:09] <soyeomul> But i did fail to understand ITT
• 1650[13:09:36] <shtrb> emaia, replaced-url
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• 1653[13:10:07] <emaia> shtrb: do you know where i can see more information about it, and some possible release date ?
• 1654[13:10:33] <shtrb> soyemul, intent to translate
• 1655[13:10:42] <petn-randall> soyeomul: Usually it means "In this thread", to distinguish between several mailing list threads.
• 1656[13:10:42] <emaia> shtrb: thks
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• 1658[13:10:50] <petn-randall> Or that. :)
• 1659[13:11:23] <shtrb> emaia, there is alerady one for wheezy
• 1660[13:11:39] <shtrb> but under security and not backports
• 1661[13:11:43] <soyeomul> petn-randall and shtrv: thanks thanks thanks!!!
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• 1663[13:12:15] <soyeomul> shtrb: thanks thanks thanks
• 1664[13:12:19] <soyeomul> i go now
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• 1666[13:12:31] <shtrb> :)
• 1667[13:12:48] <emaia> shtrb: yes, i know but my servers are using the backport kernel and i don't want "downgrade" them...
• 1668[13:13:23] <shtrb> emaia, don't know
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• 1674[13:15:45] <duser> Is theree any recommended team collaboration tool for file sync (with structure) and password management?
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• 1690[13:23:35] <s0nou572> hi,
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• 1692[13:24:07] <fast> duser: We're using git and pass for files and passwords but this is probably not what you are looking for
• 1693[13:24:10] <Iridos> Arahael, well, you know what I meant
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• 1695[13:25:03] <shtrb> duser , git-annex ?
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• 1697[13:25:20] <Iridos> shtrb, ah yes, mount -t udf works… good going. Now I only have to figure out what to do with it ^^
• 1698[13:25:20] <shtrb> but not for passwords
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• 1700[13:25:39] <shtrb> Iridos , I don't understand what you mean by that
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• 1702[13:25:43] <s0nou572> replaced-url
• 1703[13:25:54] <s0nou572> need help please!
• 1704[13:26:07] <shtrb> sn0wmonster, seen that , have the same issue
• 1705[13:26:09] <jelly> s0nou572: can you ask a question please?
• 1706[13:26:24] <shtrb> it happen after the latest upgrade and new bios upgrade
• 1707[13:26:35] <jelly> I don't want to have to click every link and only then find out it's about something I can't offer help with
• 1708[13:26:39] <shtrb> jelly, there is an issue with pci cards after kernel upgrade
• 1709[13:26:56] <s0nou572> you see the link?
• 1710[13:27:05] <shtrb> s0nou572, it is enough to reboot to get the wifi back (if it's vanishes)
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• 1712[13:27:11] <rocketmagnet> hi all, how can i add an application (i've allredy an app.desktop file) be displayed when i want to open a file with a different application, my app is not shown :(
• 1713[13:27:12] <s0nou572> I don't understand
• 1714[13:27:27] <Iridos> shtrb, the image we talked about before lunch
• 1715[13:27:38] <rocketmagnet> isee firefox and other apps not for foxitread :/
• 1716[13:27:40] <shtrb> s0nou572, This error may result in device vanishing from kernel
• 1717[13:27:56] <rocketmagnet> and there is not inro on mime-type wit hthe des.top files
• 1718[13:27:57] <shtrb> Iridos, this part I got, I'm talking about the part "what to do with it"
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• 1720[13:28:25] <shtrb> s0nou572, if you perform a restart (power shutdown and start again ) this error goes away (at least for me)
• 1721[13:28:35] <shtrb> s0nou572, if not file a bug
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• 1724[13:29:43] <shtrb> or disable aspm in bios or linux
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• 1730[13:34:01] <rocketmagnet> it must be able to associalte filetypes(mime-types) whth noutilus of the system itself, that realy broderrs be
• 1731[13:34:06] <rocketmagnet> s/me/me
• 1732[13:34:13] <rocketmagnet> s/be/me/
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• 1742[13:41:09] <Iridos> shtrb, it's something we will internally distribute. I won't give other people something to download that I found hard to access. But nevermind, I know how. It was just a side-comment without too much thought :)
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• 1745[13:42:05] <shtrb> Iridos, If that's really a DL prepare for being unable to burn and access it
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• 1747[13:42:12] <shtrb> *unable
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• 1756[13:49:05] <Iridos> shtrb, the SW allows to create a "depot" from the installer, which I can zip (that is maybe the same as the files of the image, but… *shrug*)
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• 1759[13:49:34] <shtrb> my comment is just about the media, and the drives not more
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• 1768[13:55:16] <emaia> shtrb: seems Meltdown fix for wheezy-backports will no bw available: replaced-url
• 1769[13:55:32] <shtrb> :-(
• 1770[13:55:53] <emaia> let's upgrade :)
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• 1772[13:56:16] <shtrb> make deb-pkg and you have it at your place
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• 1774[13:56:26] <shtrb> emaia, wait , you can build that kernel on your system
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• 1779[13:57:42] <themill> bwh's notes that you should already treat that as a compromised system...
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• 1781[13:58:36] <shtrb> ouch
• 1782[13:58:44] <emaia> shtrb: create a deb package with dpkg-deb --build from the sources ? it's a idea :)
• 1783[13:59:44] <shtrb> yes , that's what I usually do , but as themill said assume it had been hacked
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• 1785[14:00:07] <babysnoop> hey, want to install cuda on my debian machine but theres only installers for ubuntu versoin 16.04 and 17.04. can i just use one of those?
• 1786[14:00:08] <shtrb> copy your .config into the source folder, and build it
• 1787[14:00:15] <shtrb> you need at least 15 gb free
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• 1790[14:00:58] <shtrb> emaia, you run make deb-pkg
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• 1792[14:01:20] <shtrb> emaia, I wished to say I just rebuilt it locally when I need
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• 1800[14:04:49] <themill> babysnoop: cuda is already packaged in non-free
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• 1803[14:05:13] <babysnoop> you mean the non free dirver of my graphics card
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• 1816[14:09:14] <petn-randall> babysnoop: Probably themill means the package libcuda1.
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• 1818[14:09:46] <babysnoop> petn-randall, ok thanks
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• 1846[14:26:58] <duser> shtrb: thanks! will look at it.
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• 1859[14:28:07] <duser> fast: thanks. but we want to have encryption as default. and doesn't need to spend too much time on setup (e.g. http server front)
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• 1878[14:30:24] <fast> duser: Encryption for files?
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• 1890[14:31:32] <ring3> Hi guys, new bug in libc-2.19.so on debian-8
• 1891[14:31:46] <ring3> just run skypeforlinux and
• 1892[14:31:48] <ring3> [ 1663.580762] skypeforlinux[1108]: segfault at 4 ip 0000779134eb1xxx sp 00007ffcb3ddcxxx error 6 in libc-2.19.so[779134dfc000+1a1000]
• 1893[14:31:52] <ring3> [ 3696.998129] skypeforlinux[1722]: segfault at 4 ip 000076f073180fxxx sp 00007ffc69c6cxxx error 6 in libc-2.19.so[76f0730cb000+1a1000]
• 1894[14:31:55] <ring3> [101088.802862] skypeforlinux[8736]: segfault at 4 ip 0000763fc80f2xxx sp 00007fff4b9dbxxx error 6 in libc-2.19.so[763fc803d000+1a1000]
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• 1896[14:32:17] <petn-randall> !paste
• 1897[14:32:17] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 1899[14:32:33] <petn-randall> ,v skype
• 1900[14:32:34] <judd> No package named 'skype' was found in amd64.
• 1901[14:32:39] <ring3> skypeforlinux
• 1902[14:32:42] <petn-randall> ring3: Skype isn't part of Debian.
• 1903[14:32:51] <ring3> but the segfault is on libc
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• 1905[14:33:03] <slax0r> I am using skypeforlinux
• 1906[14:33:05] <slax0r> on debian 8
• 1907[14:33:09] <slax0r> libc 2.19, no errors
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• 1910[14:33:38] <ring3> since last update i have those segfaults
• 1911[14:33:59] <shtrb> skypeforlinux the pidgin app or the Skype real thing
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• 1913[14:34:08] <petn-randall> ring3: Last update for glibc was in June 2017.
• 1914[14:34:16] <ring3> wait
• 1915[14:34:28] <ring3> I'm using debian-8 inside QubesOS
• 1916[14:34:36] <rocketma1> slax0r: does sone debian associate file types with applications ? and where can i change this ? which mime-type corresponend to which application ?
• 1917[14:34:37] <ring3> probably is caused by some restriction
• 1918[14:35:27] <shtrb> ring3 , is it the dm that has network access ?
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• 1923[14:36:03] <slax0r> rocketma1: what the hell does this has to do with what I said?
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• 1925[14:36:12] <rocketma1> nothin sorry
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• 1927[14:36:31] <dmr> hello
• 1928[14:36:32] <shtrb> rocketma1, your DE can do so
• 1929[14:36:48] <slax0r> don't confuse me rocketma1 :)
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• 1951[14:45:47] <rwx777> when installing debian without DE i don't have sound. My soundcard is detected by alsamixer and alsamixer is on max. I have to install gdm and change there the sound. Why ? Isn't it using alsa ? Can i get my sound work without installing gdm or lightdm?
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• 1954[14:46:25] <shtrb> pulseaudio issue ?
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• 2049[15:23:03] <lufeng> Hi there! Are there any solution for fixing Speture and Mitigation
• 2050[15:23:05] <lufeng> ?
• 2051[15:23:19] <JustASlacker> use amd
• 2052[15:23:36] <FinalX> AMD is also vulnerable for Spectre
• 2053[15:23:40] <FinalX> so is ARM
• 2054[15:23:49] <shtrb> use PI
• 2055[15:23:54] <shtrb> :P
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• 2057[15:24:11] <Haohmaru> pravetz16
• 2058[15:24:16] <JustASlacker> afaik there are no exploits for spectre yet?
• 2059[15:24:21] <slax0r> sure, why don't we just suggest a blackboard and chalk?
• 2060[15:24:25] <RoyK> shtrb: pi runs on arm
• 2061[15:24:33] <FinalX> JustASlacker: no fixes, either
• 2062[15:24:40] <lufeng> PI is absolutely not influenced
• 2063[15:24:41] <shtrb> not all ARM are vulnerable
• 2064[15:24:43] <lufeng> lol
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• 2066[15:26:21] <RoyK> JustASlacker: there have been exploit demos in bloody javascript, so I'm quite sure it's out in the wild somewhere - it's not even day zero anymore, and the bugs have been around for a long time
• 2067[15:26:28] <JustASlacker> we need an PI cluster
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• 2069[15:26:45] <RoyK> JustASlacker: doesn't cost much…
• 2070[15:26:56] <shtrb> JustASlacker you can install inferno on such a thing
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• 2073[15:27:09] <RoyK> JustASlacker: and there are several chassises for that on thingiverse - just print or cnc one
• 2074[15:27:14] <JustASlacker> RoyK: that was for meltdown
• 2075[15:27:20] <RoyK> ah
• 2076[15:27:28] <lufeng> replaced-url
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• 2079[15:27:40] <FinalX> replaced-url
• 2080[15:27:43] <petn-randall> RoyK: There have been mitigation patches rolled out already for all browsers. There's just no "general" fix yet.
• 2081[15:27:43] <JustASlacker> I love the vmware advisor
• 2082[15:27:45] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
• 2083[15:27:46] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 2084[15:27:47] <JustASlacker> For servers using the Intel Haswell and Broadwell processors (see Table 1 for the specific list of affected VMware vSphere supported Intel Haswell and Broadwell processors) that have applied ESXi650-201801402-BG, ESXi600-201801402-BG, or ESXi550-201801401-BG VMware recommends the following:
• 2085[15:27:48] <JustASlacker> On each affected ESXi host, add the following line in the /etc/vmware/config file:
• 2086[15:28:02] <FinalX> Spectre can be done through browsers just fine.
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• 2088[15:28:14] <shtrb> RoyK, replaced-url
• 2089[15:28:42] <FinalX> yeah, their cpu's don't do speculation to begin with
• 2090[15:28:52] <shtrb> I think beagleboard is the same (safe by design)
• 2091[15:29:03] <RoyK> just a pity why RDMA will be a wee bit slow over 100Mbps ethernet or wifi…
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• 2093[15:29:19] <FinalX> nvidia cards were also affected
• 2094[15:29:21] <kallenp> Hi, please, what may be wrong in my test environment ? When I symlink installer directory from usr share to var lib and run it for first time, installer cannot crete/generate config files. Look and try here. May I ask for a help howto solve this ? Thanks, Petr replaced-url
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• 2097[15:29:37] <kallenp> Roundcube is installer from Debian 9 standard repository.
• 2098[15:29:47] <shtrb> RoyK, you can always use single image cluster
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• 2100[15:30:06] <kallenp> installed..
• 2101[15:30:27] <JustASlacker> I wonder if any bitcoins have been stolen via meltdown or spectre yet
• 2102[15:30:45] <shtrb> !debian-offtopic
• 2103[15:30:57] <lufeng> Canonical has released the patches for ubuntu
• 2104[15:31:53] <petn-randall> !offtopic
• 2105[15:31:53] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2106[15:32:16] <kallenp> not !debian-offtopic because i mean, that there is a problem with Roundcube package
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• 2108[15:32:46] <__marco> Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2109[15:32:49] <shtrb> kallenp, not for you
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• 2111[15:33:03] <__marco> What could cause this error?
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• 2114[15:33:24] <shtrb> __marco, crazy ISP (reset the connection and download again)
• 2115[15:33:59] <kallenp> shtrb: ok…. and, … any idea ?
• 2116[15:34:00] <shtrb> Crazy ISP because that might be caused because of transparent proxy or ISP level caching
• 2117[15:34:29] <__marco> shtrb: It is a production server behind a firewall out of my control
• 2118[15:34:32] <shtrb> kallenp, I have no idea
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• 2120[15:35:20] <shtrb> __marco, wait little bit more and do apt-get update again
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• 2123[15:35:37] <shtrb> There might be also a live update on that server now
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• 2127[15:37:05] <jelly> __marco: that's weird, the file seems to actually be 11552B long both there and on my own mirror. See if running "apt-get update" makes it go away.
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• 2130[15:37:20] <shtrb> also try with apt Acquire:http:No-Cache=True update
• 2131[15:38:15] <__marco> jelly: I run apt-get update more than onde and removed everything in /var/lib/apt/lists
• 2132[15:38:25] <__marco> I will try with no-cache
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• 2138[15:39:39] <shtrb> Can you check if you can move to https based mirror
• 2139[15:39:39] <__marco> shtrb: in /etc/apt/apt.conf?
• 2140[15:39:52] <shtrb> you can add that directly on the command line
• 2141[15:40:20] <shtrb> the https is in the mirror , if you have some crazy transparent proxy caching normally does not exist
• 2142[15:40:40] <jelly> __marco: are you using an unusual version of kernel or apt?
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• 2147[15:41:17] <imMute> Is it normal for a shared library package to have the SONAME change (major version bump) without changing the version number in the package name (yes, package name, not package version)?
• 2148[15:41:25] <__marco> jelly: no, I am not
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• 2158[15:44:45] <jelly> I guess your proxy might be doing something unusual there that apt's http method gets confused with.
• 2159[15:44:57] <jelly> (this might be a genuine bug in apt)
• 2160[15:45:39] <__marco> jelly: the no-cache option does not help and I can't update from https server, don't know why
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• 2163[15:45:47] <__marco> jelly: still 0%
• 2164[15:46:19] <petn-randall> __marco: You need to install apt-transport-https to be able to fetch from https servers.
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• 2170[15:48:47] <__marco> replaced-url
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• 2172[15:48:55] <__marco> expected Filesize:115336
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• 2175[15:49:04] <__marco> received Filesize:5196
• 2176[15:49:36] <jelly> petn-randall: but their url is not https.
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• 2178[15:49:57] <jelly> __marco: do a wget -nd replaced-url
• 2179[15:49:59] <__marco> In my workstation the filesize is also 5196
• 2180[15:50:00] <petn-randall> __marco: Try to actually download that file by hand from the server, and look at it's contents. I can imagine that it's a web page ala "This contents has been blocked".
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• 2184[15:51:53] <FinalX> that file really is 5196 bytes on that server
• 2185[15:51:55] <__marco> petn-randall: no, it is not. At least dpkg-deb can read it
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• 2188[15:52:38] <FinalX> but Content-Length: 5196
• 2189[15:52:48] <__marco> FinalX: exactly. Something is wrong in the package list file (or whatever they are called)
• 2190[15:52:52] <FinalX> so I don't know where you get that 115336 from...
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• 2192[15:53:09] <FinalX> ah, that might be
• 2193[15:53:14] <__marco> FinalX: I think it is in the package list file
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• 2198[15:57:00] <jelly> ,v gcc --arch=amd64
• 2199[15:57:01] <judd> Package: gcc on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; buster: 4:7.2.0-1d1; sid: 4:7.2.0-1d1
• 2200[15:57:35] <__marco> In /var/lib/apt/lists/deb.debian.org_debian_dists_stretch_main_binary-amd64_Packages the 'gcc' package is exactly 5196 bytes
• 2201[15:58:17] <FinalX> replaced-url
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• 2204[15:59:47] <shtrb> __marco , did you apt-get update and was there any errors ?
• 2205[15:59:48] <__marco> ok, now seems to work
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• 2207[16:00:03] <__marco> shtrb: yes, I did and there was no error
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• 2209[16:01:03] <d9867eb_> hi
• 2210[16:01:12] <gpunk> hi
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• 2217[16:03:20] <d9867eb_> I have a Debian server with lvm. It does have two ext4 partitions. Recently one of them has become full. how can i enlarge the full one? also, what do you think about btrfs? is it generally bug free? how does it work with debian?
• 2218[16:03:54] <d9867eb_> /dev/mapper/apelsin--vg-root 9,1G 8,3G 333M 97% /
• 2219[16:03:59] <d9867eb_> /dev/mapper/apelsin--vg-home 2,7T 907G 1,7T 36% /home
• 2220[16:04:15] <d9867eb_> df -h looks like that
• 2221[16:04:38] <petn-randall> d9867eb_: btrfs is really bad at coping with full disks, so I'd avoid it for now.
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• 2223[16:05:39] <d9867eb_> petn-randall: yeah ok, but could i run it in the future? also, how do i fix my lvm thing?
• 2224[16:05:40] <petn-randall> d9867eb_: You can use lvextend to enlarge your root partition, then use resize2fs to grow the filesystem.
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• 2227[16:06:18] <RoyK> dpkg: tell d9867eb_ about pastebin
• 2228[16:07:08] <d9867eb_> RoyK: it was just two rows, not very much
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• 2230[16:07:52] <RoyK> dpkg: I guess this is ext4 - it normally reserves 5% to root, which may be overkill - see tune2fs -m if you want to free it (or make df see it)
• 2231[16:07:52] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, RoyK
• 2232[16:08:18] <RoyK> d9867eb_: that was for you :)
• 2233[16:08:34] <RoyK> d9867eb_: as for btrfs, well, use it if you dare, but it's not stable
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• 2235[16:09:43] <d9867eb_> RoyK: could it be more stable in two years?
• 2236[16:09:57] <RoyK> some moron once came up with the idea of using the word "stable" for "standardised interface" - first I heard of it was with asterisk pbx - it was "stable", but said nothing about reliability. btrfs uses the word the same way.
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• 2238[16:10:26] <RoyK> d9867eb_: I've followed btrfs development for seven or eight years - give it a few more years - maybe?
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• 2240[16:10:48] <jelly> d9867eb_: boot a livecd, shrink your home fs and lv a bit, then grow root lv.
• 2241[16:11:07] <RoyK> jelly: better start out with tune2fs -m0
• 2242[16:11:26] <d9867eb_> RoyK: tunefs?
• 2243[16:11:36] <RoyK> tune2fs
• 2244[16:11:40] <RoyK> see the manual
• 2245[16:11:45] <jelly> RoyK: no, ext[234] performance goes to hell if you fill the block space up to the brim.
• 2246[16:12:00] <jelly> 5% of 10GB isn't a lot anyway
• 2247[16:12:07] <RoyK> nah
• 2248[16:12:08] <jelly> and they have 2TB free
• 2249[16:12:19] <RoyK> all filesystems get rubbish when filled up
• 2250[16:12:32] <RoyK> zfs gets slow at 80+%
• 2251[16:12:37] <RoyK> and really bad at 95%
• 2252[16:12:46] <RoyK> (as in *really*)
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• 2254[16:13:14] <jelly> so I don't tell people to tune2fs -m[0-1], unless it's already a huge fs with a small number of large files
• 2255[16:13:32] <RoyK> d9867eb_: a good advice is to allocate what you need during installation and leave the rest in the vg for future expansion
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• 2257[16:13:49] <RoyK> jelly: the number of files is irrelevant
• 2258[16:14:06] <RoyK> jelly: anyway - if you have a huge filesystem, you shouldn't be using ext4 in the first place
• 2259[16:14:08] <d9867eb_> jelly: so I should boot a livecd? I is there a way to do this without one? I had like my server working now
• 2260[16:14:09] <jelly> d9867eb_: reduce reserved space only if you need some space RIGHT THIS INSTANT.
• 2261[16:14:47] <jelly> but plan downtime asap to fix it the right way
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• 2265[16:15:24] <RoyK> jelly: the reserved space limit isn't for performance, it's old, it's to make sure the rootfs doesn't fill up. xfs doesn't have it, and it works, and has been the default fs on redhat/centos since v7, which has been out for some time now - works well
• 2266[16:15:33] <jelly> RoyK: eh, I use filesystem I know how to fix. :-)
• 2267[16:15:39] <d9867eb_> jelly: yes, downtime is not a big problem.
• 2268[16:15:43] <jelly> types*
• 2269[16:16:02] <d9867eb_> RoyK: what should i use for a big filesystem?
• 2270[16:16:08] <RoyK> d9867eb_: xfs
• 2271[16:16:25] <RoyK> ext4 really sucks at large filesystems (that is, >10TB or so)
• 2272[16:16:28] <jelly> RoyK: it might not be for perfomance, but it performance really goes to shit
• 2273[16:16:32] <RoyK> an fsck can take hours
• 2274[16:16:48] <RoyK> jelly: I know, but it's not very hard to delete data later
• 2275[16:17:04] <RoyK> d9867eb_: you may want to check where all that data is spent
• 2276[16:17:11] <RoyK> or used
• 2277[16:17:15] <jelly> RoyK: it is however hard to get performance back if you use it that way for a longer time
• 2278[16:17:15] <d9867eb_> RoyK: so 3 TB is not considered big?
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• 2280[16:17:26] <RoyK> d9867eb_: not really
• 2281[16:17:39] <d9867eb_> ok
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• 2283[16:18:00] <jelly> d9867eb_: du -x / | sort -n |tail -n 40
• 2284[16:18:19] <RoyK> jelly: ext4 (and virtuall all other filesystems) get fragmented if they're full
• 2285[16:18:23] <Muyfret> when i write to std out how do i overwrite previous writes
• 2286[16:18:45] <jelly> RoyK: so why suggested people to make it more full?
• 2287[16:18:52] <jhutchins_wk> Muyfret: > replaces, >> appends
• 2288[16:19:06] * jelly can't English today
• 2289[16:19:17] <RoyK> jelly: maybe it's needed? even so, if the data is used by root, those 5% don't matter
• 2290[16:19:32] <d9867eb_> jelly: i use ncdu instead. i love it
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• 2296[16:21:10] <d9867eb_> are pogolinux good for buying a new server? i am thinking of rplacing my old one
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• 2299[16:23:20] <RoyK> jelly: root will always be able to fill up the fs regardless of the -m setting
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• 2303[16:27:41] <d9867eb_> RoyK: jelly
• 2304[16:27:46] <d9867eb_> thanks
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• 2323[16:35:17] <JyZyXEL> couldn't i take a writable snapshot of a jessie system and then boot that snapshot with Qemu and upgrade it to stretch and then merge the snapshot days later once i'm done?
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• 2325[16:36:11] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Depends on what you're trying to accomplish.
• 2326[16:36:13] <petn-randall> !goal
• 2327[16:36:13] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
• 2328[16:36:14] <JyZyXEL> to avoid not having a working system while the jessie-stretch migration is being worked on
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• 2332[16:37:11] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: You'll of course lose any data that's been written on the jessie system in those few days.
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• 2343[16:41:00] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: hmm, yeah, a careful oldjessie->newstretch rsync might be needed afterwards
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• 2347[16:43:10] <JyZyXEL> so far it's the best migration idea i've come up with
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• 2351[16:47:13] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Why not do a clean install, migrate the data, test it, then schedule some downtime informing all users, then migrate it for real?
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• 2360[16:48:53] <JyZyXEL> but the jessie needs to be running during the migration
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• 2362[16:49:25] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: Why?
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• 2364[16:50:13] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: And what service is running there?
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• 2368[16:50:55] <JyZyXEL> so i can continue to use the computer while im migrating to stretch, which im expecting to take many days
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• 2372[16:52:31] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: very customized kde-plasma-desktop is the biggest, most complicated one
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• 2374[16:53:11] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: It's a desktop, but a VM?
• 2375[16:53:23] <duser> fast: yeah, i don't want to have plaintext info existed in git repo. I come across keybase.io that looks fitting my requirement. open source, pgp (not home made security), not cloud, end to end encrypted, etc.
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• 2378[16:54:07] <petn-randall> JyZyXEL: If the underlying system is stable, just set writeback=unsafe on the VM, then the upgrade should be fairly fast, at the cost of some data loss when the host system crashes during that time.
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• 2381[16:54:43] <JyZyXEL> petn-randall: it's not about the transfer speeds but the involved manual labor
• 2382[16:55:09] <JyZyXEL> everything needs to be copied by hand and systems need to be reworked because plasma desktop has so many changes and features that have been removed that i rely on
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• 2385[16:55:32] <JyZyXEL> so some of the stuff i don't even know how im gonna replace yet
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• 2401[17:00:09] <JyZyXEL> so i was thinking i could run the writable snapshot of my current jessie desktop in a Qemu and do the upgrade in there, until i get to the point where i can boot up the snapshot natively
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• 2405[17:01:47] <JyZyXEL> and then eventually merge the snapshot once im confident that the system is on-par with the jessie
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• 2465[17:27:06] <quan> Question about 'ln'. I made a symlink to another directory. But then that directory is exported by SSH to another virtual machine. That symlink breaks on the other end.
• 2466[17:27:20] <quan> Do I need a hard link in this case?
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• 2470[17:28:21] <jelly> quan: you can't have a hardlink to a directory
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• 2472[17:28:37] <petn-randall> quan: Hardlinks only work on the same filesystem. A symlink is basically only a pointer to another file. If you set it with a relative path it might work, depending on the details.
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• 2474[17:28:47] <petn-randall> quan: Also what jelly said.
• 2475[17:29:04] <jelly> a bind mount would work.
• 2476[17:30:04] <quan> What's a bind mount?
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• 2480[17:31:00] <mnuhmnuh> mount -t ?? -o??? /whatever /whereever
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• 2484[17:31:27] <jelly> quan: replaced-url
• 2485[17:31:35] <petn-randall> quan: Read up on the --bind option in 'man mount'.
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• 2490[17:32:48] <quan> Thanks guys!
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• 2494[17:35:52] <jelly> quan: oh, if you're using sshfs, look at its -o follow_symlinks option
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• 2497[17:36:19] <quan> Nice, thanks jelly.
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• 2501[17:36:44] <zerocool> morning guys, wondering if there is a way to run debian off of usb with persistance like freenas
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• 2504[17:37:09] <petn-randall> zerocool: Probably, but USB sticks are painfully slow for the job.
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• 2510[17:38:16] <zerocool> petn-randall: speed isnt a concern if it keeps everything running in ram as long as possible, it would be storing data on a raid array
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• 2513[17:38:37] <petn-randall> zerocool: What's the USB stick for then?
• 2514[17:38:37] <zerocool> besides logs on sync
• 2515[17:38:57] <zerocool> petn-randall: for the system to live
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• 2521[17:39:50] <petn-randall> zerocool: Is there a reason you don't want to install on the RAID then?
• 2522[17:40:21] <zerocool> petn-randall: simplicity.
• 2523[17:40:34] <petn-randall> Err
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• 2525[17:40:48] <zerocool> i want to btrfs raid 8 disks together
• 2526[17:40:59] <petn-randall> We might have different definitions of simplicity then.
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• 2528[17:41:15] <zerocool> i would like to have another disk for the os
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• 2530[17:41:50] <petn-randall> zerocool: Well, you don't have any redundancy for the OS then, which I'd say is quite vital for a running system.
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• 2535[17:43:00] <zerocool> petn-randall: redundancy is in rear and other backup systems, the os should be disposable.
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• 2538[17:43:42] <zerocool> meaning the usb failes we can just burn another copy and start the system with it
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• 2540[17:43:53] <petn-randall> zerocool: Well, but then it's *down*.
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• 2543[17:44:19] <jelly> petn-randall: they might not care about HA, just redundancy
• 2544[17:44:23] <zerocool> if its running from ram itll be down after a) it fails AND b) it reboots
• 2545[17:44:37] <jelly> zerocool: why not boot from network?
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• 2547[17:44:48] <teatime> zerocool: the persistence mechanism is kinda crappy
• 2548[17:44:56] <zerocool> jelly: that actually is an option here good point
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• 2550[17:45:05] <teatime> zerocool: that sort of thing is pretty frequently done w/ a ro boot image though
• 2551[17:45:36] <teatime> yeah, netboot is good. you can even have root on NFS if you want.
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• 2553[17:46:00] <zerocool> teatime: oh nice!
• 2554[17:46:06] <teatime> although you probably don't want that if it's easy to avoid.
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• 2562[17:47:54] <zerocool> well when i sayim after simplicity i mean simplicity from a dr point of view... i dont want to have to tell someone to open a terminal to get a system back up, i would like to get as close to "put the thumb drive in and burn this iso to it, plug it in and boot" as possible
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• 2565[17:48:35] <zerocool> so nfs would be another big system that may require me to ask someone to open a terminal ha
• 2566[17:48:43] <zerocool> but neat anyway
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• 2568[17:49:51] <jelly> since you're using btrfs you obviously don't care about HA :anyway :-)
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• 2570[17:49:56] <teatime> lol
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• 2578[17:52:05] <`Kevin> <- confused, if you already have raid on the host for the other data you are writing then regardless at some point you will be replacing disks and thus likely in a terminal
• 2579[17:52:17] <`Kevin> in that case adding another failure point is just adding complexity
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• 2584[17:54:23] <zerocool> so then i should also have my backups on this same raid array right? otherwise more failure points more complexity
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• 2591[17:56:12] <zerocool> having an os read from usb into ram and run from registered ecc from a system backed my multiple psu's, ups's and a generator... is not too dangerous
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• 2593[17:56:24] <`Kevin> that isnt related to the point i made which was simply stating that you are adding complication rather than reducing which is your goal
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• 2596[17:56:54] <zerocool> writing an image to a usb that is just read and ran is easier to recover from in the case the os fails.
• 2597[17:57:15] <zerocool> which is extremely rare, like *never*
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• 2599[17:57:38] <jelly> esp. if you don't really write to it after imaging the os
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• 2612[18:01:47] <zerocool> `Kevin: what i meant by reduced complexity is per system. putting the os on its own media reduces the number of failure points related to the system that loads the os, am i wrong? otherwise you have cables, raid or passthrough cards, batteries, drives
• 2613[18:02:06] <zerocool> if a disk fails okay you take it out and put another in
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• 2615[18:02:20] <zerocool> it rebuilds hopefully, everything is fine
• 2616[18:03:06] <zerocool> but the system is more complex than bios booting from flash media which has data written to it.
• 2617[18:03:34] <`Kevin> agreed thou my point was that if your system already has raid as you mentioned then you are already dealing with those same failures
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• 2619[18:03:52] <`Kevin> +adding 1 more
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• 2623[18:05:32] <zerocool> `Kevin: sure there is one more device involed.
• 2624[18:05:39] <zerocool> involved*
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• 2626[18:06:01] <petn-randall> zerocool: However, you won't be getting any kernel updates, which happen every few weeks.
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• 2632[18:08:06] <`Kevin> zerocool: yes 1 more but thats the entire point which completely goes against your reasoning :P
• 2633[18:08:11] <zerocool> ideally everything should always be perfect.
• 2634[18:08:13] <`Kevin> 1 more * num servers
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• 2640[18:08:38] <zerocool> with no down sides and only up sides.
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• 2642[18:09:24] <`Kevin> zerocool: indeed, I can see where you want to go with this but for that at least I think would involve quite a bit of work and an complex backend (redundant nfs, ceph or iscsi etc) which is likely overkill
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• 2645[18:10:03] <zerocool> `Kevin: did you know... that most server boards have usb ports for flash storage on the inside of the chassis?
• 2646[18:10:06] <`Kevin> otoh if usb works just go with it, just putting my 2 cents in :)
• 2647[18:10:23] <zerocool> like not accessible from the outside of the chassis
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• 2649[18:10:51] <`Kevin> yes thou thats also for security processors and such as well
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• 2652[18:11:44] <zerocool> `Kevin: have you ever noticed a lot of them also have sd card readers on the inside of the chassis too? which bios/eufi is aware of as a boot option
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• 2654[18:11:54] <dD_> My Debian system hangs after copying a file, I've tried it with Nautilus, and after it copies the file it won't let me eject a disk. If I force the ejection, the md5 won't match. If I try it with PV it reaches 100% and then it hangs and doesn't do anything. Any way to debug this?
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• 2657[18:12:58] <`Kevin> sure thou id never work somewhere that booted off of a sdcard of all things (just because it exists...)
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• 2659[18:13:11] <`Kevin> anyhow this is going offtopic
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• 2666[18:14:45] <zerocool> `Kevin: i appreciate your opinions and the willingness to share them. honestly.
• 2667[18:14:59] <zerocool> gotta get to work, cheers!
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• 2672[18:16:12] <`Kevin> :) no problem good luck regardless
• 2673[18:16:34] <`Kevin> hopefully you sort it out
• 2674[18:17:20] <Nooby_> can somebody help me?
• 2675[18:17:21] <Nooby_> Hello all, does anyone use nextcloud on debian? I downloaded the .tar.bz2 package but have no idea how to install it since it lacks instructions
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• 2677[18:18:53] <jim> dD_, where is the original. and what's its name, you're trying to copy? where's the destination?
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• 2679[18:19:33] <Nooby_> jim: I am trying to install it to /home
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• 2682[18:19:55] <Nooby_> sorry, home/username
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• 2688[18:20:30] <jim> Nooby_, try downloading the .tar.bz2 to your home machine, and untarring it, and examining what you have... maybe there are instructions inside
• 2689[18:21:35] <dD_> jim, the original one is in my downloads directory, its name is raspbian.zip (although I tried it with the unzipped file as well and got the same error). I'm trying to copy it on a usb at /media/al/usb
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• 2691[18:23:02] <jim> dD_, let's zoom out all the way for a sec...
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• 2694[18:23:24] <jim> dD_, are you and Nooby_ the same person?
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• 2697[18:24:30] <dD_> jim, not that I know of :/ I'm just trying to copy raspbian to a usb stick
• 2698[18:24:32] <Nooby_> no
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• 2701[18:25:24] <jim> dD_, second thing while we're zoomed out... what's the overall purpose of copying the file?
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• 2703[18:26:03] <jim> Nooby_, ok, give me a few mins
• 2704[18:26:22] <Nooby_> jim: Untarred that but bunch of files that none of them seems to be similar to .exe or install package
• 2705[18:26:24] <Nooby_> OK
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• 2707[18:27:26] <dD_> jim, internet is slow, my sd card reader isn't broken, a friend has a computer that has an sd card reader that works. they need to burn it onto the rpi
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• 2711[18:29:42] <dD_> jim, you know what? after about 15 minutes of leaving it at 100%, it just finished copying
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• 2717[18:31:17] <jim> oh good :) I know only very little about rasbian, while I look for a better place, you can too: there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in looking for channels on the Freenode irc net. To start, /msg alis help
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• 2722[18:32:26] <jelly> !raspbian
• 2723[18:32:26] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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• 2725[18:32:54] <jim> ok, found one (by looking at output of "/msg alis list raspbian"): there is a channel called #raspbian
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• 2728[18:33:20] <dD_> jim, actually, I-m on debian, I was just trying to copy the raspbian operating system to a usb stick
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• 2734[18:35:00] <jim> ok, good enough... now that you have a complete copy, you might try booting it on that machine... beyond this, you should also join #raspbian for questions that are specifically about it
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• 2757[18:42:26] <Extend> hi
• 2758[18:42:35] <Extend> Hi, I created a debian package out of 3.16.53 but its not creating the initrd.img-* this is mainly on Lenny
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• 2786[18:55:08] <jelly> Extend: dear goodness, lenny? If I had to put a kernel there I'd probably build it all on a different machine, then just copy vmlinuz and initrd and all of /lib/modules/version/ over
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• 2790[18:56:58] <jelly> Extend: not so long ago I managed to build a 4.9 unoff-grsec on jessie, an etch/lenny abomination booted off that after some coaxing
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• 2798[18:57:39] <Extend> jelly, I will try to work around it and come back again if there is still a problem.
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• 2808[19:00:50] <greycat> jelly: Interesting. I was thinking along the lines of "build it on wheezy, copy the .deb over to the lenny box" but I have no experience here.
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• 2815[19:03:31] <jelly> greycat: dpkg on lenny does not do xz compression inside; not sure if wheezy was still bz2
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• 2821[19:05:56] <jelly> and also not sure how wheezy's gcc copes with 4.9; 3.16 would probably work
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• 2823[19:06:37] <jelly> Extend: or you could just copy the contents of jessie 3.16 build if you want meltdown patches
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• 2827[19:08:25] <Extend> jelly, Previously I was using the 3.16.46 from kernel.org , right now trying with this build linux-3.16.53.tar.xz I think my mistake is that I built the package on a squeeze machine and trying to install it on lenny. So what I will do now is to create the kernel on a lenny machine and make the pkg out of it
• 2828[19:08:51] <jelly> good luck!
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• 2838[19:13:10] <Emil> Was there a geoip commandline tool?
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• 2841[19:13:45] <Emil> Seems like: now which one is the best
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• 2845[19:14:54] <bedah> hi! is there an easy way to disable unicode emojis? they are starting to appear on my debian notebook? 😬
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• 2849[19:15:29] <jelly> bedah: disable how and why? ♥
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• 2853[19:16:02] <bedah> i got coloured emojis in utf-8 messages - this is annoying
• 2854[19:16:52] <bedah> in hexchat, seen them in thunderbird
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• 2859[19:17:29] <bedah> even in the terminal D:
• 2860[19:17:37] <jelly> sounds lovely
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• 2862[19:17:53] <jelly> I wish my hexchat hed them colored!
• 2863[19:18:01] <jelly> had!
• 2864[19:18:33] <jelly> bedah: which debian release are you using
• 2865[19:18:54] <bedah> debian testing i guess
• 2866[19:19:16] <greycat> how could you possibly be running testing or unstable and *not know* ...
• 2867[19:19:24] <jelly> bedah: what does "head -n1 /etc/os-release" say
• 2868[19:19:43] <bedah> sid
• 2869[19:19:57] <jelly> yeah
• 2870[19:20:05] <bedah> and it's testing in etc/apt/sources
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• 2874[19:20:16] <jelly> that's what you get when you run fresh new stuff
• 2875[19:20:18] <annadane> interestingly mine says buster/sid despite only having sid
• 2876[19:20:27] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2877[19:20:27] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 2878[19:20:36] <bedah> PRETTY_NAME="Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid"
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• 2880[19:20:44] <annadane> ah.
• 2881[19:20:50] <annadane> never mind then.
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• 2883[19:21:18] <jelly> I guess I'll have to upgrade my home workstation to buster for this fine feature
• 2884[19:21:27] <bedah> :D
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• 2886[19:22:45] <SuperTramp83> Mine said 'stretch'. And so I did.
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• 2897[19:27:37] <bedah> 🚚 <-- i now got this unicode truck on ebay-"parcel sent"-messages in thunderbird
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• 2899[19:29:07] <jelly> nice
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• 2901[19:29:24] <jelly> clearly this is progress
• 2902[19:30:00] <greycat> I am pleased to report that on my irssi-in-screen-in-urxvt-in-stretch, that appears as a rectangle, not a truck.
• 2903[19:30:52] <jelly> it's a truck here on hexchat on X on stretch
• 2904[19:30:59] <greycat> My sympathies.
• 2905[19:31:09] <jelly> ☺
• 2906[19:31:17] <greycat> I'm sure it's because I'm missing some font-vehicles package or something.
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• 2909[19:32:21] <jelly> it looks like a different truck in <undisclosed terminal emulator>
• 2910[19:32:50] <jelly> greycat: fonts-symbola
• 2911[19:32:56] <jelly> probably.
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• 2913[19:33:12] <jelly> ,i fonts-symbola
• 2914[19:33:13] <judd> Package fonts-symbola (fonts, optional) in stretch/amd64: symbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 7.0. Version: 2.59-1; Size: 1186.3k; Installed: 2966k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 2915[19:33:23] <jelly> ,i fonts-symbola --release buster
• 2916[19:33:24] <judd> Package fonts-symbola (fonts, optional) in buster/amd64: symbolic font providing emoji characters from Unicode 9.0. Version: 2.60-1; Size: 1249.0k; Installed: 3104k; Homepage: replaced-url
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• 2932[19:43:40] <that_lurker> o/
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• 2988[20:07:24] <bedah> 🤷 - hold <ctrl> and <shift> and enter 'u1f937' - it is so easy, so intuitive :) *note to me: try chinese character input methods*
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• 2990[20:07:49] <bedah> thanks, and bye
• 2991[20:07:52] <SuperTramp83> jelly: yep, fonts-symbola. Nice truck btw
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• 2997[20:12:21] <V7> Hey all
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• 2999[20:12:24] <V7> :)
• 3000[20:12:30] <V7> kill pid doesn't kill process
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• 3006[20:13:56] <V7> Could anyone help me ?
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• 3013[20:15:37] <V7> jelly: on my weechat buffer it's like 3 n symbols
• 3014[20:15:37] <bezaban> V7: try a kill -9 <pid> if you really want to, also make sure you're allowed to kill the process, eg it doens't belong to another user :)
• 3015[20:16:23] <V7> This signal worked
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• 3017[20:16:28] <V7> Thank you bezaban
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• 3019[20:16:46] <V7> Forgot about these signals
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• 3021[20:17:28] <Hund> Anyone having issues with OpenVPN i Debian stable? It keeps crashing all the time for me.
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• 3036[20:26:11] <Nicht> Hello, I just installed a program with dozens of dependencies that I really do not need in xcfe. It even installed nautilus. When I try to remove package, it does not remove dependencies it just downloaded. Is there a way to remove all packages that are freshly installed to my system for that specific program?
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• 3038[20:27:21] <mirak> is it possible to nohup an already running process ?
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• 3062[20:37:10] <dokma> What happens if I mistakenly `pv file > dir` rather than `pv file > dir/file` ??
• 3063[20:37:16] <dokma> It did start to write...
• 3064[20:37:24] <dokma> But I can't find anything written...
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• 3066[20:37:34] <greycat> you'll get some error because you can't redirect to a directory
• 3067[20:37:51] <dokma> Didn't get any error. It started to write.
• 3068[20:37:59] <dokma> For a sec or two before I realized my blunder.
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• 3071[20:38:56] <greycat> wooledg:~$ echo hi > tmp
• 3072[20:38:56] <greycat> bash: tmp: Is a directory
• 3073[20:39:14] <greycat> If you didn't get an error, you are hiding something from us.
• 3074[20:39:34] <dokma> Let me try again..
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• 3076[20:40:11] <greycat> wooledg:~$ pv .bashrc > tmp
• 3077[20:40:11] <greycat> bash: tmp: Is a directory
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• 3080[20:41:07] <dokma> Again it does start to write....
• 3081[20:41:13] <dokma> pv 18309893990886989282_51278097_6090752_6090752 > ../plot04
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• 3083[20:41:32] <greycat> You should get a redirection error from the shell immediately.
• 3084[20:41:41] <dokma> Actually... at least pv displays that it is writing to stdout
• 3085[20:41:47] <dokma> Where that goes is the mistery...
• 3086[20:42:03] <greycat> wooledg:~$ pv /boot/vmlinuz-4.9.0-5-amd64 > tmp
• 3087[20:42:03] <greycat> bash: tmp: Is a directory
• 3088[20:42:08] <greycat> Even with a large file.
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• 3092[20:42:40] <dokma> LOLZ my bad... current dir is a symlink
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• 3094[20:42:58] <dokma> I went into the realpath parent rather than into the symlink parent....
• 3095[20:43:11] <pckratoras> hello i have a problem with resolv.conf after reboot is overwriting
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• 3098[20:44:08] <greycat> !override dns
• 3099[20:44:08] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i. replaced-url
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• 3214[21:15:43] <devgt5> hi i want to install calibre offiline
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• 3216[21:15:59] <devgt5> im running x64 64 bit system
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• 3218[21:16:08] <devgt5> debian 9
• 3219[21:16:09] <jhamlin> Hi folks, I can not figure out where my password is stored for a printer that I connect to through an AD server. I had to change my password recently and now I can't print. I can't seem to figure out where to enter my new password and I never get prompted for it. Runing debian stable. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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• 3221[21:16:28] <devgt5> is this the right package calibre_2.75.1+dfsg-1_all.deb
• 3222[21:16:29] <devgt5> ?
• 3223[21:16:34] <nnyby> hey, why is the firmware-b43-installer package not available in debian testing? i need this firmware for my mac mini's network card
• 3224[21:17:00] <greycat> !debian-next
• 3225[21:17:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 3227[21:17:59] <devgt5> ok
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• 3233[21:20:49] <devgt5> can i install a program from binary package ?
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• 3236[21:21:02] <devgt5> or i need to be connected to the internet ?
• 3237[21:21:22] <greycat> you can install a .deb file as long as all the dependencies are satisfied
• 3238[21:21:36] <greycat> (or a set of .deb files, all in one dpkg -i command)
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• 3241[21:22:58] <devgt5> oh ok
• 3242[21:23:06] <devgt5> greycat thanks
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• 3244[21:23:13] <devgt5> graycat
• 3245[21:23:32] <devgt5> how to clean all logs in debian version ?
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• 3247[21:23:46] <devgt5> and the files that were removes permanently
• 3248[21:23:55] <devgt5> do i have to edit the log files ?
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• 3250[21:24:00] <devgt5> or cancel them ?
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• 3252[21:24:17] <devgt5> i mean remove all the log files
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• 3254[21:24:53] <devgt5> or if its possible to remove all logs during computer shutdown ?
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• 3256[21:25:06] <devgt5> so it stores the logs in ram
• 3257[21:25:10] <devgt5> instead of the hard drive
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• 3259[21:25:20] <greycat> Sounds like you actually want to use some kind of read-only virtual machine.
• 3260[21:26:16] <devgt5> yeah
• 3261[21:26:31] <devgt5> but i was wondering if its possible to do this in debian
• 3262[21:26:39] <devgt5> instead of using some live distro
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• 3276[21:33:00] <devgt5> i have to go see ya later
• 3277[21:33:05] <devgt5> thanks
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• 3333[22:03:48] <hemebond> Does Debian brake the regular VIM shortcuts or something? I can't visual block insert.
• 3334[22:03:59] <hemebond> Damn thing just beeps at me.
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• 3336[22:04:59] <greycat> If you're on stretch, it uses a /usr/share/vim/vim80/defaults.vim file unless you have a ~/.vimrc
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• 3338[22:05:11] <hemebond> What do I do in there?
• 3339[22:05:34] <hemebond> Isn't visual block insert a default?
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• 3341[22:05:38] <greycat> If you suspect defaults.vim is the issue, just make sure your account has a ~/.vimrc file. Doesn't matter what's in it.
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• 3344[22:06:31] <hemebond> I've created an empty .vimrc
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• 3346[22:07:20] <hemebond> Also I think I'm on Jessie because I have /usr/share/vim/vim80/debian.vim
• 3347[22:07:29] <hemebond> Or at least started with Jessie.
• 3348[22:08:32] <hemebond> Does vbi break if I use sudo to edit a file?
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• 3351[22:09:52] <hemebond> :echo has('visualextra') returns "E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version"
• 3352[22:10:56] <hemebond> Apparently this has no visual block insert or something.
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• 3354[22:12:17] <hemebond> Used Gedit. Done.
• 3355[22:12:26] <hemebond> 👍 vim
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• 3375[22:22:03] <n0x_59> #android
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• 3383[22:25:08] <FightingFalcon> Does linux have a built-in NTP client?
• 3384[22:26:08] <greycat> Debian has ntp and chrony packages, and there is a time sync thing available in systemd. NOT enabled by default in Debian.
• 3385[22:26:18] <Trel> Built in aa in pre installed?
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• 3387[22:26:27] <Trel> *as
• 3388[22:26:38] <greycat> Not in the Standard package set.
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• 3390[22:27:06] <FightingFalcon> apt-get install npt
• 3391[22:27:11] <FightingFalcon> this is the command right?
• 3392[22:27:14] <greycat> ntp
• 3393[22:27:19] <FightingFalcon> yep, sorry
• 3394[22:27:31] <FightingFalcon> whats the difference between APT and APT-GET commands?
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• 3398[22:29:25] <greycat> The biggest difference is apt-get leaves the .deb files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ while apt does not.
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• 3400[22:29:43] <FightingFalcon> Which one shall i use?
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• 3406[22:34:37] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: It's up to you. Apt is getting the most development right now, but it's not quite ready to use in scripts. aptitude does better dependency resolution and solution management than apt-get.
• 3407[22:35:14] <FightingFalcon> oh apt = aptitude ?
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• 3409[22:35:17] <greycat> apt-get is designed to be used in scripts; its interface is stable (unchanging). apt is meant for interactive use, and is not guaranteed to have a stable interface.
• 3410[22:35:20] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: There was a release where apt-get was recommended for the upgrade because aptitude occasionally got lost in all the dependencies.
• 3411[22:35:22] <annadane> though in stable you probably don't need aptitude that much
• 3412[22:35:25] <greycat> no, aptitude is a THIRD thing, totally different
• 3413[22:35:58] <FightingFalcon> so why are you mentinoing aptitude?
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• 3417[22:37:35] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: It's what I use for the same purpose.
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• 3439[22:47:56] <FightingFalcon> what gps time server ntpd shall i use?
• 3440[22:48:11] <webbb> hi
• 3441[22:48:16] <webbb> FightingFalcon: GPS?
• 3442[22:48:28] <FightingFalcon> global positioning system
• 3443[22:48:42] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: ntp.org has a list of servers and where to buy them.
• 3444[22:48:43] <greycat> Are you saying you have a hardware time source that you would like to use, rather than the standard pool of NTP peers?
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• 3447[22:49:46] <FightingFalcon> i dont know. i installed unbound dns server and it says i need a ntp which i dont even know what it is
• 3448[22:49:59] <jhutchins_wk> !ntp
• 3449[22:50:00] <dpkg> i guess ntp is The Network Time Protocol (NTP) is used to synchronize the clocks of computer systems over a network. "aptitude install ntp" is enough to get going and synchronise your clock using the default ntp pool. replaced-url
• 3450[22:50:03] <greycat> Just "apt-get install ntp" and that's it.
• 3451[22:50:16] <greycat> It will set up a default ntp.conf for you which uses the pools.
• 3452[22:50:51] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: GPS reference clocks are pretty expensive for a small/private operation. Usually you get your time from the network.
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• 3455[22:51:12] <annadane> tor actually literally says "install ntp to keep your clocks synchronised"
• 3456[22:51:20] <annadane> so it's fairly reliable
• 3457[22:51:26] <FightingFalcon> greycat yeah with millions of different options you have to set after "install ntp"
• 3458[22:51:32] <jhutchins_wk> ... except on VMs.
• 3459[22:51:40] <annadane> yeah probably
• 3460[22:51:48] <greycat> FightingFalcon: you *literally* do not need to do anything but "apt install ntp".
• 3461[22:51:53] <jhutchins_wk> That's still a pain in the neck.
• 3462[22:52:07] <webbb> ha, I bet atomic clocks become cheaper
• 3463[22:52:20] <webbb> replaced-url
• 3464[22:53:23] <FightingFalcon> let me change the time and see if this thing really works.
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• 3466[22:53:31] <greycat> WHAT
• 3467[22:53:58] <annadane> may i recommend the "mississippi" counting system
• 3468[22:54:08] <greycat> If you want to check on it, run "ntpq -p".
• 3469[22:54:28] <greycat> There is of course no documentation for what the output of ntpq -p MEANS, so you have to google that.
• 3470[22:54:50] <greycat> You. DO. NOT. FUCK. with the system time after installing ntp.
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• 3473[22:55:15] <FightingFalcon> Well, if this thing works, then it must correct the time after i change?
• 3474[22:55:21] <greycat> *plonk*
• 3475[22:55:23] <webbb> greycat: I also went deep into that rabbithole, I used some complicated SCM thing (puppet) for configuring the ntp daemon, cron, etc, all the stuff :P well, luckily that kind of server isn't used anymore
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• 3477[22:55:34] <greycat> Not helpable. Have fun destroying everything.
• 3478[22:55:48] <jhutchins_wk> FightingFalcon: Not instantly. You should read up on what it is and how it works.
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• 3484[22:56:44] <greycat> NTP is only allowed to SLAM THE CLOCK to the correct second ONCE, at startup, when nothing else is running. After that, it will only GENTLY adjust the clock, slowing or speeding it up a wee bit every second, so that nothing that relies on a continuous time will break.
• 3485[22:57:10] <greycat> If you fuck with your system time, all assumptions are thrown out the window.
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• 3487[22:57:18] <FightingFalcon> why is that?
• 3488[22:57:32] <greycat> All of the delicate, sensitive algorithms that it uses to track the reliability of peers ... GONE.
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• 3490[22:57:53] <FightingFalcon> Well, i stopped the service but even then i cant change the date
• 3491[22:58:08] <webbb> what is time anyway? :O
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• 3495[22:58:50] <vergilzen> ln -s /dev/random /dev/rtc
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• 3497[22:58:53] <vergilzen> ftfy :/
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• 3499[22:59:10] <benrob0329> Ok, so this is day #3 of bcache installation attempt
• 3500[22:59:19] <annadane> if you feel you actually need ntp then presumably you're running a server or some kind of sensitive program, and do you really want to randomly screw with settings without knowing what they do
• 3501[22:59:48] <webbb> vergilzen: when one programs runs faster through memory than the other program, will their clocks drift? :O
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• 3503[22:59:52] <benrob0329> /dev/bcache0 does not appear to exist until after the rootfs remount attempt
• 3504[22:59:55] <annadane> you don't need ntp *just* to have relatively accurate time
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• 3508[23:00:08] <greycat> annadane: on typical PC hardware, yeah, you actually do.
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• 3510[23:00:25] <annadane> oh, ok, fair enough
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• 3513[23:00:31] <benrob0329> But if I set init=/bin/bash via grub, it exists by the time init exists
• 3514[23:00:48] <FightingFalcon> it says Before unbound-anchor is run inside the init scripts, you must run NTP (in secure mode), so that the time and date have been set properly.
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• 3521[23:04:05] <annadane> so that's why you want to use it
• 3522[23:04:09] <annadane> say so next time
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• 3524[23:04:21] <benrob0329> The bcache module is there, the drive is set up properly, but it wont generate the block device until after the kernel tries to remount
• 3525[23:04:36] <FightingFalcon> After a lot of searching I found that by default, the VM's clocks are synchronized to the HOST clock running on the control domain, and cannot be independently changed. This was surprising to me because NTP was still configured and appeared able to synchronize the clocks.
• 3526[23:04:38] <FightingFalcon> thats wht
• 3527[23:04:45] <benrob0329> Even if I set rootwait=10 (which just delays the failed remount)
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• 3529[23:06:29] <benrob0329> I'm about ready to say that root on bcache is just broken on debian
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• 3534[23:07:21] <FightingFalcon> thats why* even
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• 3542[23:08:50] <mandeep> are there any utilities installed by default on stable that allow one to convert from pdf to doc?
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• 3550[23:11:12] <webbb> mandeep: by default? doesn't this depend on the environment you (tasksel) selected on setup? like desktop environment?
• 3551[23:11:14] <webbb> can you use apt?
• 3552[23:11:18] <webbb> or is this for a PHP/web thing?
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• 3554[23:12:13] <mandeep> webbb: yeah maybe. im using gnome. i can use apt but im not familiar with any packages that do this. all i know is that pandoc can conver to pdf but not from
• 3555[23:13:04] <webbb> mandeep: or just use some web service if the data is not sensitive
• 3556[23:13:13] <webbb> for a ebook reader?
• 3557[23:13:15] <webbb> try out calibre
• 3558[23:13:34] <webbb> and replaced-url
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• 3571[23:18:23] <mandeep> hmm i see. there are certain conditions that allow a pdf to be opened in writer
• 3572[23:18:36] <mandeep> so i guess that's why i can only open my pdf in draw
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• 3574[23:18:46] <webbb> mandeep: why not install something like adobe reader?
• 3575[23:18:48] <webbb> Or chrome?
• 3576[23:18:52] <webbb> google chrome can nicely read them
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• 3578[23:19:45] <benrob0329> Do I just give up and go back to split partitions?
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• 3580[23:20:10] <mandeep> webbb: my problem is that i have 3 pdf files. i need to convert them to doc, odt, or docx as the user im sending them to can only open those 3 filetypes
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• 3582[23:20:30] <mandeep> and unfortunately i dont have the power to change which types can be opened
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• 3584[23:20:43] <webbb> mandeep: ok, so why not just a pdf converter online service?
• 3585[23:20:48] <webbb> in case the data is not sensitive
• 3586[23:21:16] <mandeep> webbb: it's somewhat sensitive. i tried a sample page and the online service returned jibberish
• 3587[23:21:24] <mandeep> im not sure if this is due to an inherent limitation in pdf to doc
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• 3589[23:23:44] <mandeep> i guess i need to ocr first
• 3590[23:23:52] <webbb> ah, ocr
• 3591[23:23:56] <webbb> ok, this is ofc a different league :)
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• 3594[23:24:14] <mandeep> ha yeah
• 3595[23:24:30] <webbb> replaced-url
• 3596[23:24:35] <webbb> this may be what you are looking for
• 3597[23:24:43] <webbb> some deep learning ocr would be also cool
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• 3600[23:25:30] <webbb> mandeep: hm, does that link help?
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• 3602[23:25:48] <mandeep> webbb: thanks ill take a look
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• 3604[23:26:10] <mandeep> pdf ocr stills seems to be a tough problem judging by how bad resume ocr works
• 3605[23:26:48] <webbb> mandeep: why not a JPEG?
• 3606[23:26:57] <webbb> or a PNG?
• 3607[23:27:09] <webbb> you could even embed in the word :P
• 3608[23:27:10] <webbb> hehe
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• 3610[23:27:17] <mandeep> webbb: hmm that may be a good idea
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• 3633[23:37:00] <Arahael> Iridos: Sure, but all this fuzziness regarding encodings is a very regular frustration at work, as a software developer.
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• 3647[23:44:11] <webbb> Arahael: since the Unicode surge in Websites some years ago lots became simpler though :)
• 3648[23:44:22] <webbb> I usually just check if it is unicode, if not, something is wrong with it
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• 3659[23:48:10] <Arahael> webbb: One way I saw someone cope with an encoding issue was "Oh, I'll just encode it as XML".
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• 3662[23:48:57] <Arahael> webbb: However, I've had UCS-2 strings, which are subtly different to UTF-16.
• 3663[23:48:57] <webbb> Arahael: is that actually possible? :O each character an entity/element, everything on ASCII basis?
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• 3665[23:49:09] <Arahael> webbb: It worked at the time.
• 3666[23:49:15] <Arahael> webbb: For those strings.
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• 3671[23:51:23] <webbb> Arahael: except for ASCII codepage issues? :D hmm, but it should all be on the "boring" protected plane anyway with xml
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• 3674[23:52:32] <Arahael> webbb: What ASCII codepage issues? :) (Hint!) If you know and understand encodings, you don't have issues.
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• 3680[23:53:48] <webbb> Arahael: this prehistoric stuff replaced-url
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• 3684[23:54:31] <Arahael> webbb: Yeah, that's not ascii. :)
• 3685[23:54:50] <webbb> aha
• 3686[23:54:51] <webbb> well
• 3687[23:55:04] <Arahael> webbb: It's a very important distinction: Ascii is a completely compatible subset of UTF-8.
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• 3693[23:59:52] <cef> webbb: FWIW: replaced-url
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