• 0[00:00:05] <muck> ATI Mobility Radeon M6
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• 4[00:00:36] <blackslide> heh, my minix and hurd snapsots are not behaving. Minix live cd part works, but setup hangs when it starts copying stuff to disk. Hurd hangs at start ext2fs... Maybe I need to play around with the virtual disc files..
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• 7[00:01:35] <wpostma> so you have that, plus intel integrated graphics, or it's an Mobility Radeon without Intel Integrated?
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• 10[00:01:55] <waydot> awal1: yeah, a virtual machine has a virtual console, if it's x86 ... i mean the display ... vga or whatever it is
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• 12[00:02:08] <muck> wpostma the hardware is a bit... unique :) replaced-url
• 13[00:02:17] <muck> it's the PCG-U3
• 14[00:02:28] <wpostma> Notebooks often have the Mobility Radeon stuff for 3D only, and your primary graphics is Intel.
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• 19[00:03:02] <blackslide> Transmeta Crusoe, uuuuh
• 20[00:03:03] <blackslide> :D
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• 22[00:03:39] <muck> i don't believe this model has integrated. install xserver-xorg-video-ati, X -configure autodetects to 'radeon' for drivers
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• 24[00:04:01] <muck> this causes a white screen with black vertical lines when X is started
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• 26[00:04:20] <muck> detects BusID correctly and everything
• 27[00:04:29] <awal1> waydot, I don't know how to get fullscreen for virtual console under qemu-kvm or virtualbox. But yes on X (virtualbox: virtualbox-guest-X11 + virtualbox-guest-utils --- qemu-kvm: spice-vdagent)
• 28[00:05:09] <awal1> install those pkgs in guests, not in host
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• 30[00:05:14] <Boelensman1> wpostma thanks for your help, I'm giving up for today
• 31[00:05:40] <Boelensman1> I'm too tired, I actually left because instead of restarting the vm I restarted the host (running the bouncer) on accident
• 32[00:05:42] <blackslide> A unit from 2002 for sure doesn't have integrated intel gfx
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• 34[00:06:11] <blackslide> and since it has a transmeta cpu, it's not even possible
• 35[00:06:28] <blackslide> Radeon drivers.. or mesa whatever should work
• 36[00:07:05] <blackslide> !ati
• 37[00:07:05] <dpkg> Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
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• 40[00:07:46] <muck> yep, radeon is what X sets automatically
• 41[00:08:02] <muck> but it causes white screen on startx with no errors in the log
• 42[00:08:24] <muck> even stranger is lspci detects it as ATI Mobility Rage/Rageon M6
• 43[00:08:36] <muck> but the r128 driver just fails
• 44[00:08:48] <muck> so i think the radeon driver is the "correct" one
• 45[00:09:00] <blackslide> yea, I think it is
• 46[00:09:55] <muck> though i couldn't find the Radeon Mobility M6 explicitly listed as being supported
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• 49[00:10:54] <blackslide> hmm, then it might be a case of having to recompile the driver
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• 51[00:11:19] <blackslide> might be some unique setting that's causing the problem, if the chipset/card is not explicitly supported..
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• 55[00:12:45] <muck> could be, and that's beyond my knowledge :)
• 56[00:12:53] <muck> unfortunately couldn't find much info regarding the card online
• 57[00:13:20] <blackslide> so you tried xserver-xorg-video-radeon
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• 59[00:13:51] <blackslide> did you try libgl1-mesa-dri allready?
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• 61[00:14:04] <blackslide> some folks use it, and are happy with it
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• 63[00:14:12] <blackslide> or you could try the proprietary ones
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• 65[00:14:22] <muck> it's installed, is it a replacement?
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• 67[00:14:31] <muck> akin to using radeon or r128?
• 68[00:14:47] <blackslide> replaced-url
• 69[00:15:00] <blackslide> mesa should be a replacement to the radeon driver
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• 72[00:15:53] <blackslide> and it might be possible to install the proprietary drivers
• 73[00:16:07] <muck> i'll try mesa, give me a bit
• 74[00:16:15] <muck> i don't think fglrx supports this card
• 75[00:16:26] <blackslide> might me..
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• 80[00:18:07] <muck> do you know what needs to specified as the driver? "mesa" or "dri"?
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• 83[00:20:10] <blackslide> no idea, but I'd assume mesa
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• 85[00:20:37] <blackslide> Someone at arch or gentoo had issues with integrated ati gfx.. lemme seee
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• 91[00:22:53] <blackslide> aha
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• 94[00:23:17] <blackslide> xorg-radeon might work better if firmware-amd-graphics is installed
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• 97[00:23:29] <blackslide> that is proprietary of course
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• 102[00:24:28] <muck> interesting, i'll try installing it and setting driver ro radeon
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• 105[00:24:52] <gunix> hey guys
• 106[00:24:59] <gunix> do you have CryptoTokenExtension in chromium ?
• 107[00:24:59] <blackslide> or firmware-linux-nonfree.. there's some info in the debian wiki
• 108[00:25:07] <blackslide> replaced-url
• 109[00:25:24] <muck> yep, followed those steps, so firmware-linux-nonfree is installed
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• 111[00:25:47] <blackslide> also found some maybe relevant info at gentoo forums replaced-url
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• 113[00:26:06] <blackslide> someone had issues with integrated graphics, were solved by fiddling the bios
• 114[00:26:25] <blackslide> enabling gfx, assigning ram, etc..
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• 116[00:26:30] <muck> my bios don't have anything related to graphics unfortunately
• 117[00:26:40] <blackslide> okay
• 118[00:26:41] <muck> but the Gentoo page does list the R100, which this is
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• 123[00:27:22] <gunix> i have a strange extension called CryptoTokenExtension and i know nothing about it. can you guys please check if you have this in chromium on debian 9? i am using chromium to check my ethereum wallet via myetherwallet and if this extension is a security issue i need to transfer my ether to another address really fast
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• 126[00:28:02] <blackslide> Glamor OpenGL 2D acceleration which is enabled by default, should be disabled for R5xx and older cards.
• 127[00:28:20] <muck> blackslide, firmware-amd-graphics is already installed
• 128[00:28:33] <blackslide> okay, so that shouldn't be the issue
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• 131[00:29:32] <blackslide> maybe it's the 2d accel bit then.., used to be that linux had drivers only for older gear, now days it's mostly concentrated on new stuff and old stuff stops working :D
• 132[00:30:05] <Boelensman1> gunix replaced-url
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• 134[00:30:29] <muck> could be... I think glamor is off by default
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• 136[00:31:30] <blackslide> oh, I assume it should be on an older card..
• 137[00:31:39] <blackslide> did you try mesa, did it even work?
• 138[00:31:43] <gunix> Boelensman1: that is an askubuntu page so this is not official information. if it's part of the chromium project it should be listed on the chromium website, and it is not. that's why i asked you to check your browser, and not send me a link you found on google :)
• 139[00:32:01] <blackslide> Crypto token... weird
• 140[00:32:17] <Boelensman1> sorry gunix not running chromium
• 141[00:32:42] <blackslide> glt c
• 142[00:32:47] <blackslide> got chromium here
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• 144[00:33:08] <gunix> blackslide: they, you would help me a lot by telling me what extensions you got ...
• 145[00:33:12] <muck> blackslide one sec
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• 147[00:33:31] <gunix> i have about 1000 dolars in that ethereum account so if that extension has anything suspicious i am switching my wallet :D
• 148[00:33:34] <blackslide> no crypto whateers
• 149[00:33:37] <blackslide> whatevers
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• 151[00:33:38] <blackslide> :D
• 152[00:33:44] <gunix> :(
• 153[00:34:16] <gunix> can you tell me which extensions yuo do have ?
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• 155[00:34:41] <blackslide> wait a sec
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• 158[00:35:34] <muck> looks like mesa is not a driver
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• 162[00:35:54] <luke-jr> I'm trying to use ${shlibs:Depends} in my debian/control file, but it's causing a dependency on libcurl3-gnutls instead of any libcurl3 - how can I get this to work right?
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• 165[00:36:10] <Boelensman1> gunix replaced-url
• 166[00:36:22] <Boelensman1> it is at least part of the source code
• 167[00:36:24] <Boelensman1> or seems to be
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• 169[00:36:47] <blackslide> AlternateTab, Applications Menu, Auto Mive Windows, Launch New Instance, Native Window placement, Place Status Indicator, Removable Drive Menu, Screenshot Window Sizer, User Themes, Window List, WindowNavigator, Workspace Indicator
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• 171[00:38:07] <gunix> Boelensman1: how did you find that link?
• 172[00:38:12] <gunix> i found no searchbox on the website
• 173[00:38:12] <Boelensman1> google
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• 175[00:38:35] <gunix> Boelensman1: i know this sounds retaded, but can you please share the google search link?
• 176[00:38:36] <blackslide> But CryptoTokenCheck? Dunno
• 177[00:38:42] <gunix> it amazes me how i didn't find thart
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• 180[00:39:04] <blackslide> vs CryptoTokenExtension.. maybe those are all part of it
• 181[00:39:09] <blackslide> Mine doesn't have it
• 182[00:39:19] <Boelensman1> gunix it's just "CryptoTokenExtension" lol
• 183[00:39:26] <Boelensman1> what I searched for
• 184[00:39:30] <Boelensman1> nothing fancy
• 185[00:39:38] <blackslide> maynbe need to go
• 186[00:39:39] <blackslide> deeper
• 187[00:39:46] <blackslide> into settings
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• 190[00:41:24] <gunix> lol
• 191[00:42:02] <muck> blackslide, if you're interested replaced-url
• 192[00:42:14] <muck> only reference i could find to this exact model... and only one reply :)
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• 195[00:42:40] <JTech> my internet broke again. how do I refresh it? it's trying to connect but its not working.
• 196[00:42:47] <gunix> Boelensman1: yea, the name is in the manifest: replaced-url
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• 198[00:42:54] <gunix> thank you for the link, it really helped!
• 199[00:43:03] <Boelensman1> very welcome gunix, glad to help
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• 201[00:43:36] <JTech> last time I thought all I did was plug it in and it magically worked.
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• 203[00:43:56] <JTech> this time I unplugged, plugged back in. nothing. unplugged for a few seconds, plugged back in, lights and attempting to connect.
• 204[00:44:01] <muck> possible it IS a kernel regression... maybe i should message lkml
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• 209[00:46:16] <JTech> maybe the program that added it to GRUB2 didn't do a full job. Casper or something?
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• 220[00:51:38] <blackslide> muck, found some more info
• 221[00:51:42] <blackslide> replaced-url
• 222[00:51:55] <blackslide> on old radeons and issues..
• 223[00:52:07] <blackslide> gtg to seep, hope you figure it out!
• 224[00:52:16] <muck> cheers, have a good one
• 225[00:52:37] <donald> what is the benefit to use the remote viewer instead of the filesystem to share folder with kvm?
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• 229[00:54:36] <voids> JTech : have you tried if networking works from the live-cd of another distribution flavour ?
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• 233[00:55:15] <JTech> voids I cant get to another anything.
• 234[00:55:48] <JTech> I'm stiuck with this crtappy laptop, and my dying desktop I'm trying to install Xubuntu onto from Debian
• 235[00:57:09] <JTech> I have to unplug and replug in my keyboard if I don't want to experience cancer of the laptop keyboard
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• 238[00:58:30] <JTech> I can't get anything to work.
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• 243[00:59:14] <JTech> my internet on my Debian died so I can't do research and attempt to apply fixes at the same time. now I have to keep swapping all my peripherals each time.
• 244[00:59:17] <JTech> WHY CAN'T IT JUST WORK?
• 245[00:59:38] <JTech> how do I check my GRUB2 settings?
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• 247[01:00:01] <JTech> I used a program ... which IC an't check because it's on the other computer... to create the GRUB2 entry for this ISO.
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• 301[01:16:18] <emja> running stretch. i know how to autologin at boot, and how to run scripts at boot, but don't know how to auto-start gnu/screen *attached to tty1*. can anyone point me to info on this?
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• 309[01:20:18] <rant> emja: you'll need something like runtty for that
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• 311[01:20:29] <emja> is that instead of getty?
• 312[01:20:34] <rant> or rungetty or whatever its called
• 313[01:20:38] <rant> yes.. exactly
• 314[01:20:56] <emja> ok, will investigate. thx
• 315[01:21:05] <rant> I looked into it a bit once but never really implemented it
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• 319[01:21:48] <rant> emja: you might also be interested in consolelog which runs logs on unused ttys
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• 321[01:22:25] <emja> yeah, not wanting to view logs, actually want interactive script on console
• 322[01:22:36] <emja> but which I can connect to remotely
• 323[01:22:56] <emja> it's for a semi-dedicated print & scanner server
• 324[01:23:11] <rant> emja: well you could also be interested in triggerhappy which is a global hotkey daemon with contexts.. it can be used to control things
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• 326[01:23:35] <rant> then you can just display output with something like an OSD or consolelog or something
• 327[01:23:58] <emja> like with anythking in linux, there's eleventy billion right ways of doing a thing
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• 329[01:24:06] <zerocool> guys when i do a live migration from server x to y everything is fine but when i go y to x permissions change to root:root on the disk image and everything takes a ch*t
• 330[01:24:14] <emja> and elecenty billion *wrong* ways. heh
• 331[01:24:27] <zerocool> anyone familiar with kvm/libvirt/qemu/virt-manager/nfs
• 332[01:24:29] <zerocool> ?
• 333[01:24:45] <rant> emja: if you're gonna go with eleventy you might as well have said something else silly like quinzillion
• 334[01:25:06] <emja> rant: uh, it's a reference. never mind
• 335[01:25:14] <rant> zerocool: lots of people I'm sure, you just taking a poll or do you have a question you might ask instead?
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• 337[01:25:53] <zerocool> rant: i asked a question just above the poll
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• 339[01:26:06] <zerocool> let me restate it now
• 340[01:26:19] <zerocool> guys when i do a live migration from server x to y everything is fine but when i go y to x permissions change to
• 341[01:26:25] <zerocool> root:root on the disk image
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• 343[01:26:48] <zerocool> can someone help me understand why this is happening to me and how to make it stop
• 344[01:26:51] <zerocool> thank you
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• 349[01:28:43] <rant> you need to be more specific there.. usually permissions change for example based on a user running a command like cp/mv however this can also change based on filesystems that dont support posix permissions like vfat/ntfs and what perms they're mounted as..etc.. so in this case you need to be more specific about what you're using to do this migration and what systems are involved in the two cases to help
• 350[01:28:49] <rant> someone run it down
• 351[01:29:06] <rant> I probably don't know enough about the virualization to be of more help than getting you to be more specific
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• 356[01:30:31] <jenia> hello
• 357[01:30:48] <jenia> what debian binary can I install on this processor: replaced-url
• 358[01:30:49] <jenia> ?
• 359[01:30:59] <jenia> Amlogic S912 Octa core ARM Cortex-A53
• 360[01:31:26] <zerocool> i have server x and server y. they are both running kvm/libvirt. server x is an nfs server that shares a dir with y. permissions on this shared dir as libvirt-qemu:kvm; these users map properly between x and y, so they have the same uid and guid
• 361[01:31:26] <rant> sounds like its an armhf if I had to guess
• 362[01:32:20] <jenia> alright. thanks
• 363[01:32:25] <zerocool> i did have to symlink actually now that i think about it... let me see if that's the issue
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• 365[01:32:31] <rant> jenia: the problem here however is likely going to be the other hardware on the system. look into armbian. they have a channel here as well
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• 368[01:32:47] <zerocool> really quick how do you change permissions of a symlink because it's showing up as root:root
• 369[01:32:56] <zerocool> or does it matter
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• 371[01:33:32] <jenia> rant, alright. thanks
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• 378[01:35:54] <rant> zerocool: symlinks retain the permissions of the user that created them IIRC, they cannot be changed
• 379[01:36:07] <rant> you'd have to remove the link and create a new one I believe
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• 381[01:38:25] <themill> permissions ≠ ownership
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• 385[01:39:21] <themill> You can chown and chgrp a symlink but you can't change its modes.
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• 388[01:40:21] <rant> I just tested it on a file this linking to a file that and even as root and trying to change the perms from the user who created the link it still showed it owned as that user
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• 391[01:41:37] <rant> but anyhow, I digress.. this user is having some issues with migrating virtual machines and permissions and thats more important than my (lack of) understanding :P
• 392[01:41:39] <themill> real commands would make more sense than continuing to conflate modes and ownership
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• 401[01:43:45] <zerocool> hmm... it might have something to do with libvirt pool settings, i will check... i do remember seeing somewhere owner and group settings for the pool in the xml
• 402[01:44:00] <zerocool> maybe one has root:root set for the pool when it should be libvirt-qemu:libvirt-qemu
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• 405[01:46:27] <jenia> I'm going through the replaced-url
• 406[01:46:46] <jenia> I'm confused by the instructions
• 407[01:47:08] <jenia> steps 1...5 say to basically boot from the SD card
• 408[01:47:11] <themill> zerocool: are you able to compare the /etc/libvirt directories?
• 409[01:47:21] <jenia> but before that I need to somehow write the ISO to the SD card
• 410[01:47:24] <jenia> how do I achieve that?
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• 415[01:47:53] <jenia> like this: replaced-url
• 416[01:47:54] <jenia> ?
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• 420[01:49:13] <themill> jenia: it says to have the installer on a usb stick. The normal instructions for the Debian installer should work.
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• 422[01:49:28] <themill> replaced-url
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• 435[02:01:09] <zerocool> 'libvirt-wiki states that during a migration, libvirt will change the ownership of the guest image, unless it detects that the image is on a shared filesystem'
• 436[02:01:29] <zerocool> one of the servers sees the storage as local (dir) and the other sees it as nfs
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• 438[02:01:48] <zerocool> because one of them is serving the directory and one is using it
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• 442[02:04:12] <zerocool> workaround for this is to change directive 'dynamic_ownership' in '/etc/libvirt/qemu.conf' from '1' to '0'
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• 448[02:06:24] <zerocool> brb :)
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• 489[02:25:28] <zerocool> that's exactly what it was
• 490[02:26:29] * rant stated the instances where files change ownership
• 491[02:26:42] <V7> Hey all
• 492[02:26:59] <V7> Is it possible to skip debconf selection when reconfiguring locales ?
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• 496[02:27:56] <V7> I've already added: en_US ISO-8859-1, en_US.UTF-8 UTF-8 to locales locales/locales_to_be_generated multiselect and default locales to locales locales/default_environment_locale select
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• 498[02:27:58] <zerocool> rant: i was already aware of this and took this into account before asking, it is qemu trying to guess how to set the permissions
• 499[02:28:16] <V7> But it keeps to asking that even if these values are already given in debconf db
• 500[02:28:18] <somiaj> I think you can rengerate the locales using locale-gen and not have to reconfigure what locales the package generates.
• 501[02:28:55] <V7> somiaj: nah, locales should be reconfigured to work properly on system
• 502[02:29:08] <V7> Isn't it ?
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• 504[02:30:42] <somiaj> V7: there are various parts and you don't have to have dpkg-reconfigure locales do them all. I'm unsure of any flags to skip configuration steps using that.
• 505[02:30:51] <somiaj> V7: but if all you want to do is rengerate locales, locale-gen should do that
• 506[02:31:32] <somiaj> you can manually edit /etc/locale.gen if you need to change which ones are generated.
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• 508[02:32:03] <V7> hm
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• 511[02:33:09] <V7> So just locale-gen and then it won't tell that: locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory ?
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• 515[02:35:16] <somiaj> V7: provided your system is configured to create the locale that is being looked for.
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• 521[02:36:51] <chomwitt> why '$ locale' would give in debian9 -> locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory
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• 524[02:38:04] <themill> chomwitt: how are you connecting to that machine?
• 525[02:38:22] <chomwitt> themill: its a remote vps , i connect to it with ssh
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• 529[02:38:49] <themill> ssh forwards your local machine's locale settings to the remote machine
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• 535[02:41:19] <themill> !ssh locale
• 536[02:41:19] <dpkg> If you're getting "Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale" when connecting to a Debian host over ssh: (a) use 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' to add additional locales to the remote machine, or (b) change SendEnv in ~/.ssh/config to not send LC_CTYPE (man ssh_config), or (c) change AcceptEnv on remote sshd, or (d) overwrite that value in your login scripts (.profile or similar). See also <mac locales>.
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• 554[02:50:42] <chomwitt> themill: thanks and thanks the bot also! :-(
• 555[02:50:44] <chomwitt> :-)
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• 615[03:29:00] <noobish> I'm having trouble making sense of systemd documentation. After adding an Address= line to a systemd.network file, how do I activate it? Restarting networking.service does not pick up the new address...
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• 623[03:32:10] <nob0dy> Anyone here dealt with an installation issue where once linux boots all you get is pixel garbage on the top of your screen?
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• 625[03:32:45] <nob0dy> Grub loads fine and changing params doesn't do anything
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• 628[03:33:47] <somiaj> have you tried turning off modesetting?
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• 634[03:34:28] <nob0dy> yeah nothing
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• 636[03:34:54] <nob0dy> like using nomodeset
• 637[03:34:58] <nob0dy> right?
• 638[03:35:23] <somiaj> might depend on the kms driver you are using, if intel, the i915 has a flag to disable its modesetting, but that sounds like some kms driver conflict
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• 642[03:36:48] <nob0dy> will that be easy to find in the grub documentation?
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• 647[03:39:37] <somiaj> no, this isn't grub, this is the kernel, you have to look up the kernel paramters
• 648[03:39:42] <somiaj> do y ou know what graphics card this system has?
• 649[03:40:45] <nob0dy> Quadro K1000M
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• 652[03:40:58] <nob0dy> It's nvida trash
• 653[03:40:59] <somiaj> so the nouveau driver, one second.
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• 656[03:42:02] <somiaj> nob0dy: replaced-url
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• 662[03:46:30] <nob0dy> okay, I'll see what I can do. Thank you somiaj
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• 685[03:57:21] <CodeHunter> Can anyone help me with sound issues please? I get sound and all, but not through the 'Line Out' speakers, but an internal speaker.
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• 690[03:59:30] <somiaj> CodeHunter: have you checked the mixer to ensure the line out is not muted, turned up? usually line out isn't amplified, so what is this going into? If using the snd_intel_hda module, there are various different models for a codec that can affect how the actual physical ports behave.
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• 694[04:00:18] <CodeHunter> Yes 2 different ways. amixer in terminal and the kmixer
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• 699[04:01:04] <CodeHunter> They show the motherboard sound card but sound doesn't go out to the speakers.
• 700[04:01:37] <CodeHunter> I am corrected. It was alsamixer and not amixer
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• 702[04:02:09] <CodeHunter> It mentions line Out which is at max level
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• 705[04:03:21] <misty5> CodeHunter: not only are we not seeing all the details or the full picture, but we don't care either? We don't analyze or consider whether we hurt that person by not smiling? Or that we're misinterpreting someone?
• 706[04:04:15] <CodeHunter> Well, then ask questions and I will try and do better.
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• 708[04:04:55] <CodeHunter> I don't know how to explain it, so just ask any questions and I will do the best I can.
• 709[04:06:43] <CodeHunter> Yes somiaj I have checked all that.
• 710[04:06:51] <CodeHunter> Apologies for delay.
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• 713[04:07:37] <misty5> it sucks.. I don't understand myself.. I don't understand you.. I don't understand myself...
• 714[04:07:41] <somiaj> CodeHunter: are you using the snd_intel_hda module for alsa?
• 715[04:08:07] <tacod> hello, would anyone here happen to know how to get java-8 to install when it can't find dependency info for libgl.so.1 and when attempting to install libgl1-nvidia-glx hangs?
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• 717[04:08:25] <CodeHunter> I honestly don't know. How can I find out?
• 718[04:08:50] <somiaj> CodeHunter: lsmod | grep snd
• 719[04:09:08] <somiaj> tacod: what version of debian? And any reason you aren't using the debian packages?
• 720[04:09:23] <somiaj> tacod: and by java, would openjdk suit your needs or do you really need the oracle version?
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• 722[04:09:34] <tacod> somiaj: debian 8 and yes openjdk would work
• 723[04:09:44] <tacod> just need to get minecraft running
• 724[04:10:26] <daemon> somiaj, tacod's issue is more that the nvidia driver appears to be hanging so he cannot get the right libgl, I tried in another channel before directing him here ;)
• 725[04:10:43] <somiaj> ,v openjdk-8-jre
• 726[04:10:43] <daemon> it hangs trying to install that is
• 727[04:10:44] <judd> Package: openjdk-8-jre on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 8u131-b11-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 8u151-b12-1~deb9u1; buster: 8u151-b12-1; sid: 8u151-b12-1
• 728[04:10:54] <somiaj> tacod: it appears you can install it form jessie-backports
• 729[04:11:04] <tacod> alright thank you :D
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• 732[04:11:45] <CodeHunter> Here is the output. NOt sure where to post it. Hopefully this is fine: replaced-url
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• 734[04:11:47] <somiaj> yea the gl stuff for nvidia is different.
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• 737[04:13:59] <daemon> somiaj, tacod perhaps the nvidia driver install is failing because an already existing libgl is locked?
• 738[04:14:10] <daemon> so it is waiting for access to the file to replace it?
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• 741[04:15:09] <somiaj> well in debian libgl is done through some alternative system so the nvidia stuff can live beside the mesa stuff. I'm unsure about minecraft, but sure it just isn't looking for the 32bit libaries and you need them installed?
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• 744[04:16:22] <CodeHunter> somiaj, snd_hda_core 81920 5 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hda_codec_hdmi,snd_hda_codec_generic,snd_hda_codec_realtek
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• 749[04:18:04] <somiaj> CodeHunter: I'm usnure if this will work, but each codec has a list of various different models which can affect how the plugs work. You can look up how to change these with modprobe settings, somethign like modprobe snd_hda_intel model=foo, (though you have to remove the module first, and you can put settings in /etc/modprobe.d/ to be default)
• 750[04:18:51] <chocolate> olebrom: hello
• 751[04:19:02] <CodeHunter> I will look into that.
• 752[04:19:46] <tacod> somiaj: do I have to set up multiarch to get the 32-bit libraries?
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• 754[04:20:00] <daemon> java is 64bit ...
• 755[04:20:02] <daemon> or should be
• 756[04:20:10] <daemon> and so is the nvidia libs (or should be)
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• 758[04:20:28] <somiaj> tacod: in this case I don't think so.
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• 760[04:20:43] <somiaj> tacod: I thought maybe it already was setup, or you were using some 32bit version of java, but with the java from jessie-backports yous hodultn' need to.
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• 767[04:22:15] <tacod> somiaj: I attempted to install openjdk-8 and when I try to install all of the deps, it brings up the NVIDIA installer cleanup and does the exact same thing I was having problems with before
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• 769[04:22:40] <somiaj> nvidia insatall cleanup?
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• 771[04:22:51] <tacod> yeah no idea why it's pulling that up, I didn't ask it to
• 772[04:22:56] <somiaj> are you using a java and a nvidia driver installed from outside of debian?
• 773[04:23:12] <tacod> not that I know of
• 774[04:23:31] <somiaj> where did you get this java you are using if you haven't installed openjdk-8 from jessie-backports?
• 775[04:23:35] <olebrom> chocolate: Hello, how was it working ... ?
• 776[04:24:22] <tacod> I'm on openjdk-7 currently and that installed just fine from jessie main
• 777[04:24:32] <tacod> should I perhaps uninstall that first?
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• 783[04:28:13] <somiaj> tacod: I'm not quite sure what your issue actully is? Do you need java 8? Is java 7 sufficent? Do yu have libgl1-nvidia-glx installed?
• 784[04:28:31] <daemon> somiaj, he can't install java because he can'
• 785[04:28:37] <daemon> t get nvidia drivers to install
• 786[04:28:38] <daemon> I believe
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• 788[04:28:53] <daemon> so the first issue is why libgl cannot install
• 789[04:28:56] <tacod> minecraft won't let me run without java 8 and I *have* nvidia drivers but for some reason they didn't install the libgl package
• 790[04:29:14] <daemon> ah right; they did install but libgl is missing
• 791[04:29:30] <daemon> tried just reinstalling nvidia-drivers or w.e package its called?
• 792[04:29:58] <tacod> alright, how do I kill x? because iirc you can't have x server running while installing nvidia drivers?
• 793[04:30:22] <daemon> you need to stop your x display manager
• 794[04:30:26] <daemon> for gnome its normally gdm
• 795[04:30:33] <somiaj> tacod: and where are you trying to isntall java-8 from?
• 796[04:30:34] <daemon> but there are a few of them
• 797[04:31:01] <daemon> tacod, I will leave you with somiaj anyhow he at least uses linux :P
• 798[04:31:17] <somiaj> but yea, first I would start with getting the nvidia drivers installed correctly
• 799[04:31:59] <tacod> somiaj: I tried from the oracle site and I tried openjdk-8 from jessie backports, neither is working
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• 803[04:32:52] <somiaj> tacod: can you share the output of 'apt-cache policy' at paste.debian.net and also 'apt-cache policy libgl1-nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-dkms
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• 808[04:34:18] <chocolate> olebrom: very well here. And there?
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• 813[04:36:03] <olebrom> chocolate: Have You downloaded from github? (after testing under php7 and found some more lines I had to change in the install.php, but those are comitted now)
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• 815[04:37:29] <olebrom> chocolate: So used some hours making me test enviroments ... but it was needed for other projects to.
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• 830[04:47:17] <chocolate> olebrom: I didn't. Did you clone the work?
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• 837[04:50:42] <olebrom> chocolate: I search for the lastest release/fork in github, and have choosen replaced-url
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• 842[04:53:08] <olebrom> chocolate: It was interesting to check how much work - in somebody elses code - to figure out and hack the solution. (It was not so much code, but mysql-functions was written all over... - so search/replace... )
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• 851[04:57:12] <olebrom> chocolate: I'm just going to bed now, it's 5 in the night here... Personally I like the owncloud/nextcloud project, and use the bookmark "app" there...
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• 854[04:58:45] <chocolate> olebrom: I see. Have a great night them, talk to you tomorrow
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• 929[05:57:15] <chocolate> how can I make more than one groups be the owner of a directory?
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• 932[05:59:52] <oerheks> ACL is your solution, i guess, replaced-url
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• 943[06:05:42] <Nezoriel> Good Morning :)
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• 946[06:07:07] <chocolate> oerheks: it doesn't seems to be what I need. I need to set two groups to manage the same directory only
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• 950[06:09:39] <Nezoriel> i am new to debian using Stable 9.3 with Gnome3 and i am very happy. Have a Lenovo T430. Now i want to start to learn more about the system. Maybe any one have tips for me pls.
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• 952[06:10:04] <somiaj> !handbook
• 953[06:10:04] <dpkg> The Debian Administrator's Handbook is at replaced-url
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• 955[06:10:53] <Nezoriel> many thanks
• 956[06:11:05] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 960[06:13:01] <Nezoriel> and one more question i installed rsync on my system and want to do backups with this. I use a jfs file system need the external drive jfs filesystem too?
• 961[06:13:06] <annadane> replaced-url
• 962[06:13:54] <Nezoriel> thanks @annadane
• 963[06:14:02] <somiaj> Nezoriel: rsync is a copy and the dest filesystem need not be the same.
• 964[06:14:17] <somiaj> though if copying permisions they must at least both be able to handel the same permisions.
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• 967[06:15:39] <Nezoriel> many thanks somiaj
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• 969[06:16:54] <Nezoriel> have debian a podcast too hear?
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• 972[06:21:04] <chocolate> does this command $usermod -a -G manager replaced-url
• 973[06:22:07] <chocolate> doesn't take replaced-url
• 974[06:22:41] <annadane> i feel like that's backwards
• 975[06:22:48] <somiaj> users can be in different groups, you can check /etc/group to see exactly what changes happened.
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• 979[06:22:59] <somiaj> also if all you want to do is add a user to a group, 'adduser username group'
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• 983[06:24:17] <chocolate> somiaj: it seems to be working like I needed but Im afraid of my way of doing this
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• 987[06:25:30] <annadane> Nezoriel, i could only find replaced-url
• 988[06:25:53] <chocolate> somiaj: yeah replaced-url
• 989[06:26:32] <somiaj> chocolate: check /etc/passwd, replaced-url
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• 992[06:27:28] <Nezoriel> annadane, many thanks i am very happe to be hear and i want to learn.
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• 994[06:27:49] <Nezoriel> debian pastezone is okay to post hear?
• 995[06:27:52] <somiaj> chocolate: tea replaced-url
• 996[06:28:18] <annadane> Nezoriel, not sure i understand your question but if you want to paste something use paste.debian.net
• 997[06:28:36] <annadane> or pastebin.com if you're sick of their formatting :P
• 998[06:28:51] <annadane> though pastebin.com is universally disliked
• 999[06:28:53] <Nezoriel> yes i mean this :-)
• 1000[06:28:55] <somiaj> !pastebin.com
• 1001[06:28:55] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
• 1002[06:29:03] <annadane> well, there you go
• 1003[06:29:04] <somiaj> many won't click pastebin.com links
• 1004[06:29:49] <Nezoriel> replaced-url
• 1005[06:30:01] <Nezoriel> no problem paste.debian.net is wonderful
• 1006[06:30:14] <Nezoriel> is only text and want to share some information.
• 1007[06:30:29] <V7> Hey all :)
• 1008[06:30:34] <Nezoriel> Hey
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• 1010[06:31:03] <Nezoriel> i love this system is simple and have enough power for my work
• 1011[06:31:20] <V7> Is it possible to know how phpmyadmin installation tells dbconfig-common to reconfigure db ?
• 1012[06:31:27] <somiaj> well you are in the right place for people who like debian.
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• 1015[06:31:49] <somiaj> V7: packages include scripts that run during the install that will make the calls to do such stuff.
• 1016[06:31:50] <V7> As you could see here: replaced-url
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• 1018[06:32:05] <Nezoriel> thanks somiaj
• 1019[06:32:06] <V7> So it has some template: dbconfig-common/dbconfig-reinstall
• 1020[06:32:09] <somiaj> V7: also somethings are triggered by hooks during install/removal.
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• 1023[06:33:30] <V7> As you could see here: replaced-url
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• 1026[06:34:01] <V7> So does it mean that when apt install phpmyadmin it calls: replaced-url
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• 1028[06:34:09] <chocolate> somiaj: I need the user dealer to manage the directory replaced-url
• 1029[06:34:10] <V7> So then dbc_go phpmyadmin $@
• 1030[06:34:12] <V7> ?
• 1031[06:35:47] <somiaj> V7: also check out the postinst, preinst scripts, I see in the postinst scrip a call to . /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/postinst.mysql
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• 1034[06:37:18] <somiaj> V7: You may find #packaging or #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net better able to explain the details of how the database packages use this common package, but in general all packages will run scripts during the install do do various things like this.
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• 1041[06:38:24] <V7> So yeah somiaj thank you very much, the file's /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/postinst
• 1042[06:38:35] <V7> So it has function: dbc_go
• 1043[06:39:09] <V7> And there's line: # find out if we're upgrading/reinstalling
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• 1046[06:42:00] <V7> So: db_get $dbc_package/internal/reconfiguring && reconfiguring="$RET", what's the $dbc_package ?
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• 1050[06:43:57] <somiaj> V7: unsure, I gave you a channel that might get better exposure to could better explain.
• 1051[06:43:59] <V7> somiaj: #packaging has no users
• 1052[06:44:05] <somiaj> V7: irc.oftc.net (another network)
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• 1063[06:49:25] <V7> Roger that somiaj, thank you
• 1064[06:49:26] <Nezoriel> Hi is there a gnome gtk tool that show me the same like replaced-url
• 1065[06:50:17] <somiaj> there is the gnome-tweak-tool, but unsure about a tool that shows you what you want to see there.
• 1066[06:50:40] <somiaj> looking at that closer, yea I'm unsure, maybe just look trhought the preferences or system admin tool menus
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• 1069[06:51:32] <rotorn> strangely there is spam on paste.debian.net though, the links are not even clickable
• 1070[06:51:42] <Nezoriel> okay no problem, i can search some information with lspci and lsusb as example
• 1071[06:52:22] <somiaj> rotorn: I think paste.debian.net just gives pure text, so no hyperlinks
• 1072[06:52:34] <somiaj> but yea, I've seen it there from time to time
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• 1074[06:52:58] <rotorn> yes, it is not a good platform for spam :-)
• 1075[06:53:01] <rotorn> which is great
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• 1080[06:54:38] <V7> That's how it gets it I think: replaced-url
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• 1088[06:56:33] <zerocool> hey guys i have a goofy question... how would one mount an iscsi extent from command line, so see contents?
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• 1091[06:57:53] <awal1> Nezoriel, I guess you want something like 'sysinfo' ?
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• 1094[06:58:42] <iodev> zerocool: hmm, iSCSI is internet, so you would need a FUSE app, or something like that
• 1095[06:58:50] <awal1> well, if you run gnome, it already have it one tool similar to kinfocenter
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• 1107[07:01:32] <zerocool> it's strange to me that there is no easy way to mount this... it's like a black box
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• 1116[07:03:59] <Nezoriel> awal1 thx this is the right tool i search for, it was not installed but i do it know
• 1117[07:04:17] <annadane> it may even be in tweak tools
• 1118[07:04:33] <awal1> no
• 1119[07:05:33] <awal1> tweak-tools is a tool for config gnome3/gnome-shell, it have features not included in gnome system settings
• 1120[07:06:13] <awal1> sysinfo is a gtk app showing stuff like lspci, lsusb, lsb_release and so
• 1121[07:06:22] <awal1> gnome-tweak-tool
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• 1125[07:07:21] <tacod> I got it working, thanks to any who helped :D
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• 1129[07:09:22] <Nezoriel> thanks all
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• 1226[08:08:17] <Okei> E: Unable to locate package iprange | root@Matrix02:~# lsb_release -a | Description: Debian GNU/Linux 8.10 (jessie)
• 1227[08:08:26] <Okei> how to install package iprange in debian 8.10
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• 1229[08:08:28] <Okei> ?
• 1230[08:08:32] <Okei> can anyone help me
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• 1235[08:13:34] <somiaj> ,v iprange
• 1236[08:13:35] <judd> Package: iprange on amd64 -- buster: 1.0.3+ds-1; sid: 1.0.3+ds-1; stretch: 1.0.3+ds-1
• 1237[08:13:47] <somiaj> Okei: iprange is not in jessie.
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• 1241[08:17:29] <shtrb> Should I expect a block by apparmor in future updates ? (not just information gathering)
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• 1246[08:19:24] <somiaj> shtrb: I think apparmor is only being tested and it is not yet final if it will be incldued in teh buster release by default. If running buster/sid, well they are working these issues out.
• 1247[08:20:23] <shtrb> I think it is already default on in buster (but collecting data only if I understood correctly), my question will it be enforcing
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• 1249[08:21:12] <somiaj> there are already packages having trouble with it. My udnerstanding is the goal is to provide adefault app armor profile witht he release of buster, but during the testing, yes I would exepct things to have bugs.
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• 1251[08:21:26] <shtrb> :)
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• 1253[08:22:36] <kopper> shtrb: If you ask whether future releases are enforcing profiles by default, I don't think that's going to happen very soon.
• 1254[08:22:57] <shtrb> thanks kopper , that was exactly what I was asking
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• 1264[08:27:34] <somiaj> kopper: my understanding is buster might, but all that is happening now is testing it. Though the mailing list post I read was a little old.
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• 1274[08:34:01] <kopper> somiaj: Sure, there's always possibility that they will go that way :)
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• 1297[08:52:28] <mixoholic> anyone available to give me a little help with something?
• 1298[08:53:09] <shtrb> !ask
• 1299[08:53:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 1301[08:54:19] <mixoholic> how to i set an environment variable for a library so that it has not to call to another
• 1302[08:55:17] <mixoholic> let me show you the output
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• 1308[08:57:18] <mixoholic> Alternatively, you may set the environment variables Eigen3_CFLAGS and Eigen3_LIBS to avoid the need to call pkg-config.
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• 1311[08:59:12] <shtrb> export Eigen3_CFLAGS=/some/path
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• 1313[09:00:00] <shtrb> but that will stored only to the shell subproceses (if you a start any new shell which is not a subprocess that will not be saved)
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• 1316[09:01:17] <mixoholic> im new to this so bare with me
• 1317[09:01:24] <mixoholic> how do i export?
• 1318[09:02:00] <mixoholic> im trying to compile movit
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• 1320[09:02:13] <shtrb> You probably have an open shell (cli/command line / window with black background and flashing text)
• 1321[09:02:20] <shtrb> you type in the command as I gave you
• 1322[09:02:27] <mixoholic> ah
• 1323[09:02:32] <mixoholic> k
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• 1325[09:02:46] <shtrb> If you are using an IDE , share what you use and maybe someone will know how to set it up for you
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• 1328[09:04:26] <mixoholic> the command worked
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• 1333[09:05:08] <mixoholic> but i still get the same message when trying to configure movit
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• 1335[09:06:44] <mixoholic> debian gnu/linux 9.3
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• 1338[09:07:54] <shtrb> The modern video toolkit or something else ?
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• 1340[09:08:06] <mixoholic> avlinux
• 1341[09:08:20] <riat> a
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• 1347[09:10:51] <mixoholic> it worked
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• 1350[09:11:05] <shtrb> ?
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• 1352[09:11:24] <mixoholic> had to export both of them
• 1353[09:11:37] <shtrb> !next
• 1354[09:11:37] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1356[09:12:45] <jan6> hi, I deleted /lib <and after that a few other thing>, on a live system now, can I reinstall without wiping everything?
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• 1360[09:13:39] <shtrb> dpkg --reinstall might work , but I'm not sure
• 1361[09:13:39] <dpkg> shtrb: i don't know
• 1362[09:13:56] <shtrb> jan6, does dpkg work for you at all ?
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• 1364[09:14:12] <jan6> there is an option for "dirty install" but it fails, dunno what it wants
• 1365[09:14:15] <jan6> no
• 1366[09:14:27] <jan6> there was a kernel panic at startup
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• 1368[09:15:09] <jan6> because it looks like /lib contains something required for exeuting stuff
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• 1371[09:15:58] <jan6> after that I tried to copy /lib from live system to drive, wasn\t enough, so now I think I'd have to reinstall
• 1372[09:16:11] <shtrb> does cp mkdir work for you ?
• 1373[09:16:19] <shtrb> cp and mkdir work for you
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• 1376[09:17:00] <jan6> well, I can use the live system, but as I said, the real one got kernel panic at startup, "tried to kill init"
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• 1379[09:18:48] <jan6> and as of now I've begun deleting a few stuff, like empty /dev, but I still want to know, what does the installer need when doing a "dirty install" over existing system?
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• 1381[09:19:48] <jan6> 30 gb free should be enough space
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• 1393[09:22:35] <jan6> reformatting would be last resort, because while I could copy /home over, I don't want to spend a day figuring out what I need to install to get back where I was
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• 1397[09:23:27] <rotorn> you can receive the list of installed packages and reinstall them later
• 1398[09:23:36] <jan6> hm, ok
• 1399[09:23:57] <jan6> from where_
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• 1408[09:28:40] <rotorn> apt list --installed would give a list, but i think there also was a better way suited especially for this, which i unfortunately do not remember
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• 1411[09:29:32] <babilen> dpkg: aptitude clone
• 1412[09:29:32] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 1413[09:29:54] <jan6> if I can\t boot then how can I use apt ?
• 1414[09:30:19] <babilen> chroot into the system
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• 1416[09:30:44] <jan6> and write everything on paper, I guess
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• 1418[09:31:12] <babilen> That would take a bit long, I wouldn't advise that
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• 1420[09:31:31] <preaction> you don't have a removable drive?
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• 1422[09:32:21] <jan6> I do but would need to partition that too
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• 1424[09:32:29] <Graouz> what is the best way to share files between 2 linux machines? I've tried samba but it can't handle it. Mounting a nas inside a virtual machine with rtorrent running and adding a torrent will cause some kind of overload and the machine hangs. Going for nfs now, hope it works better. sshfs did not work either. premission problems. samba did not have that. any suggestions?
• 1425[09:32:36] <rotorn> ah yes, i think that was the way
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• 1429[09:33:16] <rotorn> if you have internet after the fresh install you can also send yourself an (encrypted, if you want) email
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• 1433[09:36:52] <shtrb> Graouz, did you get any specific error ? If you are using VMs you might be able to share a folder from the host into the vm
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• 1437[09:39:49] <Graouz> shtrb, -113 if i remember right.. with samba. I can mount the share directly in to the vm so why first mount it on the host? Just need to find the -right- way to share files, the right protocol .. so the torrent won't crash everything
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• 1439[09:40:44] <rotorn> if its the client, transmission also has a console version
• 1440[09:40:49] <preaction> i would recommend not using bittorrent clients over a network share
• 1441[09:41:17] <Graouz> preaction, because of the many connections the torrent client uses?
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• 1443[09:42:22] <preaction> no, internet connections don't matter to hard drives. because of the latency and specific behavior of bittorrent's read/write
• 1444[09:43:05] <preaction> a lot of clients have ways to transfer files to another directory after they're done
• 1445[09:43:08] <Graouz> preaction, in sshfs you can sync the reads and writes over the network
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• 1448[09:43:19] <preaction> and that's what i am saying you should not do
• 1449[09:43:41] <shtrb> Graouz , 113 is no route to host (VM to host communication is not correctly setup)
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• 1452[09:44:21] <shtrb> that could also explain sshfs issue
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• 1455[09:45:19] <shtrb> make sure you have host to guest and guest to host : ssh user@host , ssh user@guest
• 1456[09:45:23] <Graouz> shtrb, when i add a torrent the network goes down. Mounting the samba share went fine
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• 1459[09:46:01] <Graouz> shtrb, that's why the -113 error message
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• 1464[09:47:03] <Graouz> I'm going for nfs and then openshare or what it was called.. if those 2 won't work i'll give up :)
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• 1466[09:48:08] <mum0l> hi guys. I've Debian7 with php 5.4 installed from packages. Does any know how looks the security paches support? I see that some updates are comming, but when I read on replaced-url
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• 1469[09:49:29] <jan6> woohoo, I can\t chroot into my broken system, not with 'chroot .' nor absolute path...
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• 1471[09:51:38] <rotorn> which live system do you use, jan6?
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• 1473[09:51:45] <Graouz> i think open-iscsi is the answer..
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• 1475[09:51:51] <jan6> latest stable
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• 1479[09:52:40] <rotorn> hm should be able to chroot in as root i suppose, if the disk is mounted
• 1480[09:52:47] <jan6> the system was latest testing, but shouldn\t be that different
• 1481[09:53:29] <jan6> chroot: failed to run command ‘/bin/bash’: No such file or directory
• 1482[09:53:44] <jan6> yet I can run ./bin/bash with no errors
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• 1486[09:54:18] <rotorn> maybe the bash of the broken system is missing?
• 1487[09:54:22] <jan6> no
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• 1489[09:54:41] <jan6> as I just said, ./bin/bash works
• 1490[09:54:56] <preaction> because the parent system has /lib
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• 1492[09:55:23] <jan6> looks like no package list for me then
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• 1495[09:56:24] <jan6> I attempted to copy /lib from live to disk, but no help, not enough for even chroot
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• 1498[09:57:40] <preaction> did you try just running the command you want with chroot instead of getting a shell?
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• 1501[09:58:26] <jan6> chroot works just as little as the system does
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• 1506[09:59:36] <preaction> also, copying /lib from an entirely different version of debian will not work
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• 1510[10:01:26] <jan6> it's not *entirely* different, but ok, why wouldn\t it be enough for chroot?
• 1511[10:01:45] <shtrb> versions , simlinks etc
• 1512[10:01:50] <preaction> what do you mean by "it's not *entirely* different"?
• 1513[10:02:04] <preaction> does it have the exact same version number?
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• 1515[10:02:26] <jan6> well, one is testing and other is stable, but otherwise should be same
• 1516[10:02:27] <shtrb> the best I can suggest is ; backup package list, install in a vm only that packages and copy the files to the broken machine
• 1517[10:02:35] <shtrb> stable != testing
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• 1519[10:02:41] <jan6> yes
• 1520[10:02:42] <shtrb> very big difference
• 1521[10:02:47] <preaction> testing and stable have different version numbers, and so are completely different versions of debian
• 1522[10:03:15] <jan6> how\d I backup the list though?
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• 1524[10:03:40] <shtrb> dpkg --get-list-selections >> filelist
• 1525[10:03:40] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, shtrb
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• 1527[10:03:58] <preaction> you could follow this document to try to get dpkg or apt working inside chroot: replaced-url
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• 1531[10:04:30] <preaction> see the part "If you want to use a dynamically linked executable"
• 1532[10:04:39] <BenNZ> set selections for me say that libc6:amd64 is install apt-cache policy says it isnt , my arch is i386 , anyone know how to fix this ? replaced-url
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• 1539[10:11:06] <jan6> what is linux-vdso.so.1 and why does everything require it despite me not finding it anywhere?
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• 1541[10:13:13] <shtrb> libc
• 1542[10:13:23] <oerheks> BenNZ, because amd64-microcode is 64 bit... i assume your arch is 64 bit > uname -m
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• 1545[10:13:56] <BenNZ> nope i686
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• 1547[10:14:56] <shtrb> jan6, it is related to how ELFs are read (from vdso manual)
• 1548[10:15:02] <BenNZ> oerheks: Linux desktop 4.14.0-3-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.14.12-2 (2018-01-06) i686 GNU/Linux
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• 1552[10:15:49] <oerheks> BenNZ, no clue then :-(
• 1553[10:17:01] <shtrb> BenNZ , apt-cache policy libc6:amd64
• 1554[10:17:22] <shtrb> also remove your external arch (multiarch) if you are going to remove libc6:amd64
• 1555[10:17:23] <BenNZ> shtrb: replaced-url
• 1556[10:17:39] <BenNZ> shtrb: only arch is i386
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• 1559[10:18:29] <jan6> I have no idea why chroot can\t find any files
• 1560[10:18:32] <BenNZ> oops wrong libc6 , replaced-url
• 1561[10:18:43] <shtrb> you used the same paste , --print-foregin-arch
• 1562[10:18:51] <jan6> it exits as if it didn\t find, not as if failed to execute
• 1563[10:20:05] <shtrb> BenNZ maybe it is deinstalled state ?
• 1564[10:21:13] <BenNZ> shtrb: dpkg --print-foreign-architectures just goes to the next line
• 1565[10:21:32] <shtrb> check the full state of the package (it maybe uninstalled already )
• 1566[10:21:35] <BenNZ> shtrb: possibly , how to remove then ?
• 1567[10:21:41] <shtrb> --purge
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• 1569[10:21:51] <shtrb> dpkg --purge libc6:amd64
• 1570[10:21:51] * dpkg drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up libc6:amd64 all over shtrb and Dragon092...
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• 1573[10:22:06] <jan6> ugh, I\m doomed then
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• 1576[10:22:14] <shtrb> poor Dragon092
• 1577[10:23:17] <BenNZ> shtrb: yeah that did it , cheers , knew it had to be something i was overlooking
• 1578[10:23:28] <shtrb> !next
• 1579[10:23:28] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 1580[10:23:30] <BenNZ> shtrb: altho wouild have thought set-selections would have done that
• 1581[10:24:05] <shtrb> get gives you all variants (installed , deslect etc)
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• 1583[10:25:16] <BenNZ> true
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• 1685[11:11:45] <ribeye> Hi. I am going nuts here. So, this command: "for file in ./*; do mv "$file" "${file/ (*)/}"; done" finds and removes all ( and all text in between ). E.g. the filename is "my cool (file).zip" becomes "my cool.zip"
• 1686[11:11:59] <ribeye> But I cannot make it work with brackets!
• 1687[11:12:32] <ribeye> "for file in ./*; do mv "$file" "${file/ [*]/}"; done" gives me the error: are the same file
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• 1696[11:14:34] <ribeye> can anyone help me with the solution?
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• 1699[11:15:05] <jlaa> Every time i run an upgrade i have a long list of packages being hold back, what's happening?
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• 1776[12:00:48] <emja> rant: thx for the advice earlier re triggerhappy. works well, avoids a number of problems I was facing
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• 1783[12:04:53] <yang|work> Which are the directories to "backup" the files for mysql migration (if mysqld isnt started) ?
• 1784[12:05:11] <yang|work> I think its called MariaDB now
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• 1825[12:27:41] <blackslide> jlaa, I would check /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 1827[12:28:05] <blackslide> Is this happening on debian 9 or 8?
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• 1842[12:32:26] <abrotman> jlaa: Depending on your version of Debian, you may need to do a dist-upgrade .. you may want to ask here before doing that, as it could cause problems
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• 1845[12:33:20] <empiex__> gg
• 1846[12:34:21] <blackslide> yes, dist-upgrade is not something you just want to "try" as a one off "maybe this pkg will upgrade with dist-upgrade"
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• 1851[12:35:28] <blackslide> Usually if there's sw that you actually need, being held back, you can manually install them via apt install
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• 1853[12:35:39] <blackslide> that most of the time fixes it
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• 1855[12:36:04] <blackslide> if not, then dist-upgrade or manually checking dependencies might be in order.
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• 1857[12:37:04] <blackslide> also, if you've used autoremove, that might cause this kind of behaviour.
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• 1861[12:38:13] <blackslide> hey, has anyone removed swap from an encrypted lvm?
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• 1864[12:38:39] <blackslide> I used the normal way of doing it, and now lvm is stuck for a while at boot
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• 1866[12:38:53] <blackslide> it keeps looking for the missing swap partition that isn't there nymore
• 1867[12:39:27] <blackslide> it gives up after dozen tries and boots normally
• 1868[12:39:28] <gpunk> check in /etc/fstab
• 1869[12:39:35] <blackslide> yes, it's missing from there
• 1870[12:39:38] <blackslide> I removed it totally
• 1871[12:39:56] <blackslide> so I wonder where it gets the idea of looking for one
• 1872[12:40:05] <blackslide> I'm using the LUKS crypto
• 1873[12:40:08] <gpunk> there is another fstab
• 1874[12:40:12] <blackslide> aha
• 1875[12:40:15] <gpunk> i forgot the name
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• 1877[12:40:58] <p0g0> mtab? the mounted volumes?
• 1878[12:41:22] <gpunk> no ... an fstab related to encrypted FSs
• 1879[12:41:24] <p0g0> Not the same thing as fstab tho
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• 1882[12:41:54] <gpunk> try "grep swap" /etc/* ... lol
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• 1888[12:43:57] <gpunk> /etc/crypttab !
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• 1890[12:44:23] <gpunk> look in that file
• 1891[12:44:26] <blackslide> yes? that list my hdd
• 1892[12:44:28] <blackslide> no partitions
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• 1894[12:44:36] <blackslide> only UUID
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• 1899[12:45:21] <blackslide> initramfs says > W: initramfs-tools configuration sets RESUME=/dev/mapper/debs--vg-swap_1
• 1900[12:45:29] <blackslide> W: but no matching swap device is available.
• 1901[12:45:39] <blackslide> So it keeps pulling that swap from somewhere..
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• 1907[12:46:39] <gpunk> oh i think it is in grub ... can you check that ?
• 1908[12:46:45] <blackslide> ah
• 1909[12:46:47] <blackslide> doh
• 1910[12:46:50] <gpunk> :)
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• 1913[12:48:10] <OtakuSenpai> !rufus
• 1914[12:48:10] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
• 1915[12:48:13] <OtakuSenpai> !win32diskimager
• 1916[12:48:13] <dpkg> win32diskimager is much more reliable than <unetbootin> for copying ISO images to USB sticks and you can download it from replaced-url
• 1917[12:48:21] <OtakuSenpai> ok sorry for tht
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• 1926[12:51:46] <blackslide> heh
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• 1928[12:52:01] <blackslide> I'll try if update-grub fixed the issue :D
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• 1938[12:54:34] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, there is a usb creator program on debian/ubuntu
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• 1942[12:54:58] <OtakuSenpai> whats the name?
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• 1946[12:56:44] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, USB image writer
• 1947[12:57:05] <aaap> format drive, another program called: USB Stick Formatter
• 1948[12:57:31] <OtakuSenpai> ok
• 1949[12:57:56] <OtakuSenpai> is there a shorter name for it so i can apt-cache search?
• 1950[12:58:08] <OtakuSenpai> like package name or something?
• 1951[12:58:46] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, try:
• 1952[12:58:56] <aaap> usb-imagewriter
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• 1954[12:59:08] <jlaa> mmm i've run dist upgrade many times
• 1955[12:59:11] <OtakuSenpai> thnx
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• 1958[12:59:49] <OtakuSenpai> what about the formatter aaap ?
• 1959[13:00:30] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, you can try do:
• 1960[13:00:34] <aaap> apt-cache search usb-
• 1961[13:00:39] <aaap> should give you a list
• 1962[13:00:42] <OtakuSenpai> haha sure
• 1963[13:00:47] <gpunk> you dont need to format , before "dd"ing
• 1964[13:01:25] <OtakuSenpai> yeah, will save me the headache to do dd and mkfs
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• 1967[13:02:32] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, make your life easier :D
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• 1973[13:04:34] <lbr> When I run `apt update && apt upgrade` most of my systems get recent kernel (4.9.0-5), but one stays on 4.9.0-4 no matter what. WTF? :)
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• 1975[13:04:53] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, the usb-imagewrite is available on linux mint. not on debian though
• 1976[13:05:23] <OtakuSenpai> yeah
• 1977[13:05:35] <OtakuSenpai> i searched it, though i couldnt find it
• 1978[13:05:40] <themill> lbr: what's in your sources.list? (pastebin the whole thing)
• 1979[13:06:05] <aaap> OtakuSenpai, use this:
• 1980[13:06:09] <aaap> unetbootin - installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive
• 1981[13:06:17] <themill> no, please don't
• 1982[13:06:24] <OtakuSenpai> aaap: its disrecommended as well
• 1983[13:06:28] <aaap> oh
• 1984[13:06:32] <OtakuSenpai> !unetbootin
• 1985[13:06:32] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
• 1986[13:06:38] <themill> OtakuSenpai: what do you actually need that 'cp' doesn't do for you?
• 1987[13:06:46] <lbr> themill: it's the same on all nodes. I'm hesitating regarding pastebin now.
• 1988[13:06:47] <OtakuSenpai> :D
• 1989[13:06:47] <aaap> use this : usb-creator-gtk
• 1990[13:06:51] <OtakuSenpai> gui
• 1991[13:06:54] <aaap> it is the one same as 'usb-imagewriter'
• 1992[13:06:59] <aaap> which i use
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• 2000[13:09:23] <lbr> themill: ok... replaced-url
• 2001[13:09:47] <themill> lbr: are you actually running "apt" in that or something else?
• 2002[13:10:07] <lbr> themill: I have tried apt and apt-get. Shall I run aptitude/etc?
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• 2004[13:10:22] <themill> apt-get would not work but apt should
• 2005[13:10:39] <themill> (also, please use a mirror other than ftp.d.o)
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• 2007[13:11:02] <themill> lbr: the typo in "debian" in the security line won't help
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• 2016[13:14:54] <lbr> themill: typo?....
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• 2019[13:15:38] <themill> debiah ≠ debian
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• 2022[13:16:05] <themill> or is my eyesight failing on that pastebin's flyspeck font
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• 2031[13:18:23] <themill> lbr: the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64" might be enlightening.
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• 2034[13:19:25] * abrotman doesn't see a typo ?
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• 2036[13:20:07] <lbr> themill: output is the same on both machines. Restarting just in case...
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• 2040[13:22:24] <rozie> lbr: clean apt cache, refresh package list
• 2041[13:22:38] <rozie> show apt-cache policy package and uname -a
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• 2043[13:23:04] <rozie> dpkg -l | grep linux-image would be even better than uname -a
• 2044[13:23:04] <dpkg> ii | grep linux-image would be even better than uname -a 2.9-12.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 2051[13:24:48] <lbr> rozie, themill: false alarm. Right kernel picked up after restart.
• 2052[13:25:21] <lbr> Thanks, all!
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• 2057[13:26:36] <aaap> exit
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• 2099[13:48:32] <NetTerminalGene> is debian goin to release new microcode for spectre?
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• 2103[13:49:10] <jelly> ,v intel-microcode
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• 2105[13:49:11] <judd> Package: intel-microcode on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 1.20150121.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 3.20161104.1~deb8u1~bpo7+1; jessie-backports/non-free: 3.20170511.1~bpo8+1; jessie/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb8u1; stretch/non-free: 3.20170707.1~deb9u1; jessie-backports-sloppy/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/non-free: 3.20171117.1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 3.20180108.1; sid
• 2106[13:49:12] <judd> /non-free: 3.20180108.1
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• 2109[13:50:02] <jelly> NetTerminalGene: it's in sid apparently
• 2110[13:50:26] <jelly> will probably end up in backports
• 2111[13:50:27] <NetTerminalGene> will it come to stable?
• 2112[13:50:32] <jelly> no idea
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• 2116[13:51:01] <NetTerminalGene> i don't want to update it through bios because it may cause issues
• 2117[13:51:02] <jelly> but you can grab it from buster or sid right now if it fixes your particular CPUs
• 2118[13:51:14] <NetTerminalGene> noted
• 2119[13:52:11] <JyZyXEL> but the new microcode doesn't actually fix anything, it just provides new instructions?
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• 2123[13:53:38] <jelly> it has to be used in conjuction with kernel (and userspace?) fixes to provide spectre mitigations afaiui
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• 2150[14:04:56] <JyZyXEL> seems like the retpoline work is pegged for kernel 4.16 and gcc 8 / 7.2
• 2151[14:05:18] <retpoline> :(
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• 2170[14:13:12] <Guest41259> Hello, just started to use Testing since Stable did not provide many of the programs I needed. However, I am very surprised to see even guake and checkinstall are not in testing packages. What may be wrong since they are in stable and sid available?
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• 2193[14:21:57] <jelly> ,v checkinstall
• 2194[14:21:58] <judd> Package: checkinstall on amd64 -- jessie: 1.6.2-4; sid: 1.6.2-4; stretch: 1.6.2-4; wheezy: 1.6.2-4
• 2195[14:22:11] <jelly> dpkg, why is checkinstall not in testing
• 2196[14:22:11] <dpkg> checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2198[14:22:15] <jelly> Guest41259: ^^
• 2199[14:22:25] <jelly> !next
• 2200[14:22:25] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 2201[14:22:31] <dutchfish> Guest1161, i am not surprised at all see: replaced-url
• 2202[14:22:44] <jelly> their client just timeouted
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• 2208[14:24:12] <dutchfish> Guest41259, i am not surprised at all see: replaced-url
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• 2253[14:42:44] <iodev> checkinstall is nice :-)
• 2254[14:43:01] <iodev> jelly: what are you coding?
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• 2261[14:46:13] <Labu> Hello I get an error when I do apt-get update on my system, 28: No space left on device on some repo.
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• 2265[14:46:48] <akuy> halo
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• 2267[14:47:51] <Labu> replaced-url
• 2268[14:48:08] <jelly> iodev: not coding anything right now, was looking up someone else's question
• 2269[14:49:11] <jelly> Labu: look at "df" output, see which filesystem has run out of space ?
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• 2273[14:49:35] <Labu> however I have 5.2G on /. I don't have /var in separate FS
• 2274[14:50:07] <jelly> Labu: also look at "df -i" output, perhaps you have millions of files.
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• 2279[14:51:03] <Labu> i have this for df -i /dev/sda1 0 0 0 - /
• 2280[14:51:24] <jelly> Labu: are you using an unusual ot experimental filesystem type for your / fs?
• 2281[14:51:33] <jelly> s/ot/or/
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• 2283[14:52:08] <jelly> btrfs counts as experimental.
• 2284[14:52:42] <Labu> It's possible I broke something
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• 2286[14:53:19] <jelly> maybe, however you didn't say which fs type it was
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• 2289[14:54:35] <Labu> jelly: / is a BTRFS FS
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• 2292[14:55:15] <Labu> but I have a SD card which is FAT and I get same output 0 inodes
• 2293[14:55:59] <jelly> there are ways to fix the issue on btrfs, but I'm not using it and I don't know a reliable source so do the web search on your own
• 2294[14:56:14] <Labu> ok jelly
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• 2297[14:57:10] <jelly> it appears to be a FAQ
• 2298[14:57:26] <Labu> I think I try a reboot, but before I would like to know If I can reinstall/repare a debian without loosing packages
• 2299[14:58:06] <lessless> folks, I can't edit crontab files. Anytime I do crontab -e as root - the editor is killed: Received SIGHUP or SIGTERM
• 2300[14:59:00] <Labu> lessless: no more reason is given for this ?
• 2301[14:59:25] <lessless> Labu just two lines - that and crontab: "/bin/nano" exited with status 1
• 2302[14:59:33] <jelly> lessless: anything in dmesg about what killed it?
• 2303[15:00:10] <jelly> status 1 does not sound like a signal-based exit
• 2304[15:00:46] <lessless> Labu nothing in dmesg
• 2305[15:00:48] <jelly> lessless: which debian release is this? Is it a VPS?
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• 2308[15:01:08] <lessless> jelly yes, a 9.0 on scaleaway
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• 2310[15:01:57] <jelly> lessless: is it already using too many resources? What happens if you use a different editor? Try: "EDITOR=/usr/bin/vi crontab -e"
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• 2313[15:02:16] <epigramx> Is there an unofficial repo for AMDGPU-PRO?
• 2314[15:02:21] <noocx> hi
• 2315[15:03:12] <lok>
• 2316[15:03:19] <jelly> lok: are you a bot?
• 2317[15:03:22] <noocx> may I ask any linux question here or is this channel debian specific only?
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• 2320[15:03:43] <noocx> my question is about ntfsresize
• 2321[15:03:45] <jelly> lok: your client just wrote spaces on #debian on two different networks
• 2322[15:04:05] <lok> no, just accidentally pressed some keys on my keyboard
• 2323[15:04:07] <lok> sorry
• 2324[15:04:24] <jelly> okay, np
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• 2326[15:04:46] <lessless> jelly ... I don't get it - this a fresh install with only 1 NGINX running and 2 GB of memory
• 2327[15:04:53] <jelly> noocx: if you're using a generic tool on debian we can try to answer
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• 2329[15:05:01] <noocx> do you know a way to shrink ntfs and replace it with some ext4 or something?
• 2330[15:05:16] <noocx> cause ntfsresize writes i need to recreate with ntfs
• 2331[15:05:21] <noocx> says*
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• 2333[15:05:34] <jelly> noocx: there's no in-place replacing with a different fs type without losing files
• 2334[15:05:34] <noocx> but i want to change to ext4
• 2335[15:05:44] <jelly> backup, reformat, restore files
• 2336[15:05:50] <noocx> after i used fdisk on th shrink device?
• 2337[15:05:54] <noocx> shrinked
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• 2339[15:06:10] <noocx> ahh, thats why i try to do this, cause i dont have space
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• 2342[15:06:52] <jelly> noocx: shrinking is NOT done the same order extending is!! You FIRST have to shrink the filesystem, THEN shrink the device!
• 2343[15:06:53] <noocx> I thought if I shrink the fs and resizing the partition with fdisk then I get free space what I can partition the way i like
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• 2345[15:07:09] <noocx> jelly: yes, thats what i do
• 2346[15:07:27] <noocx> and after shrinking the device cant use another fs on the new space?
• 2347[15:07:30] <jelly> for a second I thought you already messed with fdisk,
• 2348[15:07:47] <noocx> no, i shrinked now with ntfsresize, fdisk coming now
• 2349[15:07:59] <noocx> but now ntfsresize says this:
• 2350[15:08:10] <noocx> IMPORTANT: When recreating the partition, make sure that you
• 2351[15:08:12] <noocx> 1) create it at the same disk sector (use sector as the unit!)
• 2352[15:08:17] <noocx> 2) create it with the same partition type (usually 7, HPFS/NTFS)
• 2353[15:08:25] <noocx> 3) do not make it smaller than the new NTFS filesystem size
• 2354[15:08:30] <noocx> 4) set the bootable flag for the partition if it existed before
• 2355[15:08:35] <Labu> I try to reboot jelly thx
• 2356[15:08:37] <noocx> Otherwise you won't be able to access NTFS or can't boot from the disk!
• 2357[15:08:37] <noocx> If you make a mistake and don't have a partition table backup then you
• 2358[15:08:38] <noocx> can recover the partition table by TestDisk or Parted's rescue mode.
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• 2360[15:08:57] <noocx> so this means after fdisk i cant create an ext4 partition?
• 2361[15:09:02] <jelly> noocx: and all those warnings are correct, what's the issue?
• 2362[15:09:05] <noocx> on the freed space
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• 2365[15:09:33] <noocx> ahh omg
• 2366[15:09:37] <noocx> clear now
• 2367[15:09:42] <jelly> noocx: the beginning of old partition will be the beginning of new smaller partition for ntfs.
• 2368[15:09:48] <noocx> my bad(english:D)
• 2369[15:10:08] <noocx> ok clear now, so ntfsresize says that i need to recreate only the shrinked partiotion
• 2370[15:10:15] * jelly hopes Labu has actually read their btrfs faq entry
• 2371[15:10:16] <noocx> so i get the free space and using it as i want right?
• 2372[15:10:23] <jelly> right
• 2373[15:10:26] <noocx> cool thanks
• 2374[15:10:30] <noocx> thats what i need
• 2375[15:11:16] <jelly> it would still be a better idea to wait before doing all this until you have a second disk to make backups ti
• 2376[15:11:18] <jelly> to*
• 2377[15:11:28] <noocx> but i dont have:/
• 2378[15:11:33] <jelly> borrow
• 2379[15:11:36] <noocx> and i need the space now
• 2380[15:11:51] <noocx> dont have friends or money atm:D
• 2381[15:12:09] <jelly> will kittens die if you don't do it right now?
• 2382[15:12:14] <noocx> yes
• 2383[15:12:16] <noocx> and puppies too
• 2384[15:12:23] <jelly> then go ahead
• 2385[15:12:26] <noocx> :D
• 2386[15:12:57] <jelly> at lead if you lose data you'll be content to know the kittens and puppies get to live
• 2387[15:13:18] <noocx> yes
• 2388[15:13:29] <noocx> and it contains important data hm:)
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• 2394[15:16:54] <Labu> hello
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• 2396[15:17:01] <lok> hi
• 2397[15:17:09] <dvs> lo
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• 2401[15:17:59] <Labu> jelly I have recovered an expected behaviour on my system with reboot.
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• 2406[15:19:32] <Labu> It's very strange however I must reboot three times before booting on debian. two times before I switch on the bios setup menu, wich says it doesn't load rom image. weird...
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• 2410[15:21:04] <Labu> in fact df -i on btrfs doesn't give inodes count.
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• 2413[15:22:06] <jelly> yeah, that only works for fs types with a fixed-size inode table (like ext2-ext4)
• 2414[15:22:17] <Labu> ok
• 2415[15:22:45] <Labu> it's explain why my FAT SD card doesn't show inode too
• 2416[15:22:56] <Labu> thx for your help jel
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• 2418[15:23:00] <Labu> *jelly
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• 2420[15:23:32] <noocx> which is the best linux fs for ssd?
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• 2433[15:28:11] <Labu> noocx: btrfs is deemed to be better suited to ssd. but you could use ext2 for avoid journalization which could reduce your SSD lifetime
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• 2438[15:29:15] <Labu> you could make some configurations too to save lifetime too (reduce swappiness by example)
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• 2443[15:30:05] <qman__> such adjustments aren't really needed for modern, medium-to-high-end SSDs though, only for ones that are particularly slow or have a short lifespan
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• 2446[15:30:24] <Labu> ok qman__
• 2447[15:30:29] <noocx> Labu: thanks
• 2448[15:30:39] <noocx> ill look after these
• 2449[15:31:24] <noocx> jelly: can you tell me if i need to make a primary partition and if partition number matters?
• 2450[15:31:27] <noocx> ive got these two:
• 2451[15:31:33] <noocx> /dev/sdb1 * 2048 206847 204800 100M 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
• 2452[15:31:34] <Labu> personnaly I only played on swappiness, and I have an ext4 for my /home without problem
• 2453[15:31:37] <qman__> anything that's better than sandforce can handle normal use with standard filesystems and configurations for many years
• 2454[15:31:39] <noocx> /dev/sdb2 206848 1953521663 1953314816 931.4G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
• 2455[15:31:44] <noocx> the second is the shrinked one
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• 2457[15:31:48] <jelly> noocx: I use just a normal ext4 and this very old OCZ Vertex3 does not complain
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• 2460[15:32:05] <noocx> jelly: ok, ive got ext4 now too, but maybe ill optimise it
• 2461[15:32:08] <jelly> qman__: and this _is_ a sandforce device
• 2462[15:32:43] <noocx> so ive got these 2 partitions and fdisk allows only to create the next with partition number 3, will that work for me?
• 2463[15:33:02] <noocx> and am i need primary or extended?
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• 2465[15:33:23] <Labu> I have put /tmp on tmpfs too
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• 2467[15:33:50] <noocx> what tmpfs does?
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• 2469[15:34:01] <qman__> yeah, I even have some old sandforce ones that are still going just fine
• 2470[15:34:08] <qman__> they're a bit hit and miss though
• 2471[15:34:16] <qman__> at least from what I've read online
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• 2475[15:34:57] <qman__> but yes, anything new aside from very cheap chinese SSDs does not require any special configuration for normal use
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• 2478[15:35:15] <qman__> if you're trying to use a flash drive or SD card, then you should make adjustments, otherwise don't bother
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• 2480[15:35:34] <Labu> tmpfs it's a in memory FS
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• 2484[15:36:20] <Labu> I put firefox cache in memory too
• 2485[15:36:22] <jelly> noocx, qman__: apparently this one is almost 5 years old replaced-url
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• 2487[15:36:51] <noocx> is there a good solution to keep my debian(backup) in cloud or something when my ssd dies to be easy to restore fast?
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• 2490[15:37:08] <noocx> my ssd is the same age too
• 2491[15:37:17] <noocx> thats why im thinking on a backup:)
• 2492[15:37:21] <noocx> dont want to lose this debian now
• 2493[15:37:29] <noocx> configured too much:D
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• 2495[15:37:41] <Labu> backup it's always a good idea
• 2496[15:37:41] <jelly> dunno, I rsync everything to an external hdd.
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• 2499[15:38:27] <jelly> last ssd died horribly, but that was 5 years ago and this was the replacement
• 2500[15:38:59] <jelly> note: avoid putting swap space on ssd and not having enough RAM, at the same time
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• 2502[15:39:20] <jelly> so I bought more RAM after that
• 2503[15:39:27] <Labu> I have two SSD one is 4 years old and I don't have problems at now
• 2504[15:39:33] <noocx> ive got only 8GB is that enough?
• 2505[15:39:40] <qman__> jelly: my 840 pro has almost 40,000 hours on it replaced-url
• 2506[15:39:45] <noocx> how you check its health?
• 2507[15:39:50] <jelly> noocx: enough for what? Depends on what you're running.
• 2508[15:39:52] <Labu> that's I have got too
• 2509[15:39:56] <noocx> jelly: true
• 2510[15:40:02] <noocx> ill use vmware too so
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• 2512[15:40:14] <jelly> qman__: how much is that in years
• 2513[15:40:35] <noocx> smartctl thanks:)
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• 2515[15:40:47] <qman__> 4.538242
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• 2518[15:41:03] <jelly> smartctl output sucks, one reason I use the non-free hdsentinel
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• 2521[15:41:13] <noocx> hm
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• 2523[15:41:34] <jelly> it gives a health percentage value for idiots
• 2524[15:41:39] <noocx> :D
• 2525[15:41:50] <jelly> that suits me fine
• 2526[15:42:11] <noocx> but you can conclude from other data right?
• 2527[15:42:26] <noocx> ahh you mean hdsentinel gives the %?
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• 2529[15:42:35] <jelly> see above.
• 2530[15:42:39] <noocx> ok
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• 2539[15:45:12] <qman__> yeah, it takes a bit of learning and math to actually read some of the values
• 2540[15:45:24] <qman__> I use full disk encryption and thusly don't use TRIM at all
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• 2543[15:45:55] <qman__> the values suggest it's got at least 90% of its life left
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• 2545[15:46:15] <jelly> I have luks _and_ trim every now and then.
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• 2547[15:46:35] <jelly> and I have about 10% not formatted at all, and never used
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• 2549[15:47:06] <jelly> (got a bit too careful after the previous ssd died)
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• 2580[15:55:37] <noocx> jelly: I need to delete the shrinked ntfs with fdisk and recreate it?
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• 2582[15:55:50] <noocx> with the same starting sector?
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• 2598[16:05:55] <JyZyXEL> 'linux-image-4.14.13+_4.14.13+-42_amd64.deb' i wonder what causes the '+'-sign to appear in that package name?
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• 2602[16:06:47] <JyZyXEL> actually the -42 is also a mystery to me
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• 2606[16:07:39] <sdasdasd> apt'get update shows a repository I don't have in my sources.list, how to fix bug?
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• 2608[16:08:35] <abrotman> sdasdasd: is it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ?
• 2609[16:08:53] <sdasdasd> that's right, I found the demon there
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• 2612[16:09:04] <noocx> uhh got the data:D
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• 2614[16:09:24] <sdasdasd> a package I downloaded from a third party decided to put itself inside sources.list.d without my consent :D
• 2615[16:09:36] <abrotman> well, you did install it
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• 2619[16:11:22] <sdasdasd> I decided to install that specific version of that program, I didn't ask for it to be included in apt nor to be updated whenever the developer whishes
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• 2621[16:12:23] <sdasdasd> thanks buddy
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• 2623[16:12:49] <abrotman> Right .. "I didn't pay attention to what it might install by checking the package contents .. It's their fault!"
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• 2635[16:18:16] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, just to inform you that it is a tainted kernel.
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• 2638[16:18:51] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah it crashed my Qemu and libvirtd
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• 2648[16:20:00] <JyZyXEL> probably should've ran 'make clean' before i started.. :P
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• 2650[16:20:10] <jelly> noocx: sorry, was away, did you manager to shrink the fs and the partition properly
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• 2660[16:21:10] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, just get the plain vanilla and patch your series, only using the ones out of the git tree of kernel.org, if you insist on rolling your own.
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• 2666[16:21:46] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, or stick to the stock kernel of Debian.
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• 2675[16:23:04] <noocx> jelly: yes, worked fine, thanks
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• 2683[16:26:30] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i wasn't applying patches, i just copied the git v4.14.13 vanilla tree from a jessie machine to a stretch machine and re-built it
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• 2685[16:26:53] <JyZyXEL> probably my mistake was forgetting to make clean before building
• 2686[16:27:05] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, furthermore a make deb-pkg nowadays does automatically a make clean in front.
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• 2688[16:27:37] <JyZyXEL> oh, i used make bindeb-pkg
• 2689[16:28:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and dont orget your settings ie /scripts/config
• 2690[16:28:40] <dutchfish> forget*
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• 2693[16:29:12] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, example: scripts/config --disable DEBUG_INFO
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• 2695[16:30:00] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i've disabled that in my .config
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• 2709[16:34:55] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, if all you want is a vanilla: unpack your tarball, cp /boot/config-foo . | make oldconfig | scripts/config --disable DEBUG_INFO | make deb-pkg -jx where x is the number of cores you want to work on it.
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• 2712[16:35:41] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, it does make the header packages as well.
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• 2717[16:36:56] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, along with the linux-lic-dev version of that vanilla.
• 2718[16:37:08] <dutchfish> s/lic/libc
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• 2720[16:37:21] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i've always wondered what is that package for anyways?
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• 2722[16:38:19] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, well, you need that for the next one and the headers for you modules, if needed
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• 2726[16:40:00] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, more important when the ABI changes in between
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• 2728[16:40:31] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, good luck
• 2729[16:40:57] <JyZyXEL> seems like it would only be needed when developing something for the kernel
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• 2732[16:41:21] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and the headres are needed to rebuild your modules
• 2733[16:41:26] <dutchfish> headers*
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• 2735[16:42:17] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, normally when no extra modules are needed, just install the compiled linux-image and linux-headers, thats it.
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• 2738[16:43:01] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, works for me since 2005 or so
• 2739[16:43:20] <JyZyXEL> i haven't bothered to install the header packages in a long time
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• 2745[16:43:50] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, current testing will nag you about it if you dont
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• 2747[16:44:11] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, dont break dependecies
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• 2749[16:44:28] <JyZyXEL> oh, well i shall start installing it again then
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• 2751[16:44:38] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, good luck
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• 2754[16:45:18] <JyZyXEL> well i sure hope it doesn't come down to just good luck :P
• 2755[16:45:38] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, no, only sweat and hard labour ;)
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• 2763[16:49:24] <JyZyXEL> even with -j8 building the debian config takes a decent chunk of time. i haven't yet found a simple way to reduce the configuration for my own taste
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• 2766[16:50:11] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, how many physical cores you have (not threads)?
• 2767[16:50:22] <JyZyXEL> only 4
• 2768[16:50:31] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, then its J3
• 2769[16:50:45] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, j3*
• 2770[16:51:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, your OS wont like it when userland starts competing with th ekernel threads running, it works counterproductive at best.
• 2771[16:52:01] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: i know, it has even frozen my machine many times :P
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• 2775[16:53:08] <dutchfish> Janhouse, just patience, does the job.
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• 2779[16:54:45] <JyZyXEL> dpkg-deb: building package 'linux-image-4.14.13+' in '../linux-image-4.14.13+_4.14.13+-43_amd64.deb'
• 2780[16:54:54] <JyZyXEL> weird, it built a broken kernel again?
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• 2782[16:55:33] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, where did you get the tarball from?
• 2783[16:55:53] <JyZyXEL> just copied the linux-stable git tree from a jessie machine
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• 2785[16:56:14] <jelly> JyZyXEL: a broken name does not a broken kernel make
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• 2787[16:56:43] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, this is the one you want replaced-url
• 2788[16:57:25] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and do the checksumming
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• 2790[16:57:54] <jelly> JyZyXEL: what's the EXTRAVERSION in your Makefile
• 2791[16:58:07] <JyZyXEL> jelly: empty
• 2792[16:58:23] <jelly> SUBLEVEL, then?
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• 2794[16:58:27] <JyZyXEL> 13
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• 2796[16:58:48] <jelly> hmm
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• 2799[16:59:30] <jelly> I don't know how kernels are built any more, then
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• 2803[16:59:48] * jelly ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 2845[17:13:10] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> hello, is there a way to watch videos / view pictures without a xserver.
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• 2847[17:13:32] <gpunk> yes
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• 2850[17:13:48] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> thanks :)
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• 2853[17:14:23] <gpunk> mplayer for video
• 2854[17:14:25] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> how does it work / where can i find the infos i need for it?
• 2855[17:14:36] <gpunk> (google :) )
• 2856[17:14:54] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> :D google ---> is going stupid ... :(
• 2857[17:15:07] <gpunk> it depends for what you use it
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• 2859[17:16:33] <gpunk> fbvs for pictures
• 2860[17:16:46] <gpunk> all this you need the FBuffer configured
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• 2868[17:18:31] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> thanks i will search :)
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• 2924[17:42:55] <FingerlessGloves> Hi guys, I got a bridge setup in my /etc/network/interfaces , it wont come up at boot have to do ifup
• 2925[17:43:36] <FingerlessGloves> Any idea why?
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• 2927[17:44:02] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: -j8: 8766.41s user 693.77s system 760% cpu 20:44.74 total, -j3: 5599.62s user 468.50s system 329% cpu 30:39.87 total
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• 2930[17:45:13] <jelly> FingerlessGloves: which debian release?
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• 2932[17:45:38] <FingerlessGloves> jelly, Sorry but I'm using ubuntu 16.04 but its debian based as you know
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• 2935[17:46:02] <jelly> FingerlessGloves: ask in #ubuntu or #ubuntu-server, then, depending on what you installed
• 2936[17:46:40] <FingerlessGloves> jelly, thanks :)
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• 2939[17:48:00] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, did you end up with a good build?
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• 2942[17:49:17] <JyZyXEL> dutchfish: yeah, after i made sure my git-tree was in clean state and ran 'make mrproper', i got "linux-image-4.14.13_4.14.13-1_amd64.deb"
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• 2944[17:49:34] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, and yes some procs do well with j7 and 4 cores. Depends on how good your proc is.
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• 2946[17:50:02] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, finally success, good.
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• 2948[17:51:06] <JyZyXEL> and im gonna fire it up with "pti=off" just in case it was that crashing my Qemu 2.8
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• 2953[17:52:05] <dutchfish> JyZyXEL, in testing qemu does well on both.
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• 3002[18:07:26] <wpostma> Is anyone else using debian stretch with KDE Plasma desktop and finding that the Nouveau (nvidia open source) X drivers are glitchy and causing tearing, and rendering issues?
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• 3006[18:07:48] <annadane> oh god how can i answer this in an unbiased way.
• 3007[18:07:54] <annadane> well.
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• 3012[18:08:23] <jelly> wpostma: no, because switched to non-free drivers about a year ago on stretch
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• 3014[18:08:45] <wpostma> I am contemplating that too, or buying AMD video card.
• 3015[18:08:47] <annadane> i had to switch to the nvidia proprietary drivers personally because yes, i got constant crashes and crazy graphics flickering... it's possible a solution exists for nouveau to make it stop but i never came across one
• 3016[18:08:48] <jelly> I try nouveau about once a year for a couple days
• 3017[18:09:01] <dq> exit
• 3018[18:09:06] <annadane> yeah, i was going to just switch to AMD as well
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• 3022[18:09:26] <jelly> last time I tried it, computer hung completely every 2-3 days
• 3023[18:09:31] <annadane> nouveau just isn't that good, because nvidia refuses to cooperate with them
• 3024[18:09:55] <wpostma> Interestingly, Nouveau is almost useable in XFCE4, and Gnome, and I am only seeing glitches in KDE Plasma
• 3025[18:10:13] <wpostma> I have a GTS 750 card. Thinking I'll ditch it and get AMD
• 3026[18:10:43] <jelly> wpostma: you're seeing glitches in plasma because plasma actually uses opengl
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• 3029[18:11:02] <jelly> weird that it works in gnome, maybe their compositor does something different
• 3030[18:11:08] <wpostma> That makes sense. There's alpha blending and other cool stuff going on with that compositor.
• 3031[18:11:14] <jelly> or maybe devs only test in gnome
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• 3036[18:12:15] <jelly> wpostma: you could try different compositing options (there's opengl 2.0, 2.1, 3 I think) but none of that helped on my 730
• 3037[18:12:38] <jelly> sorry, GT 720
• 3038[18:12:50] <annadane> i've just given up on trying plasma + nouveau
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• 3040[18:12:57] <annadane> and sworn to never buy nvidia ever again
• 3041[18:13:27] <wpostma> XRender gets rid of the worst thing which is the tearing in Konsole text rendering
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• 3045[18:14:07] <jelly> wpostma: yeah, but xrender is 2d (and usually really slow)
• 3046[18:14:51] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> ok picture viewing is working with fbi
• 3047[18:14:52] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> nice
• 3048[18:14:55] <wpostma> yeah web browsing in firefox just got 3x slower when scrolling
• 3049[18:15:05] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> now i must get video working
• 3050[18:15:06] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> :D
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• 3053[18:16:01] <jelly> annadane: I was really surprised how well a passive-cooled amd 5750 worked, in a workstation at work. Then I gave it to someone else because intel "onboard" worked as well
• 3054[18:16:17] <jelly> both with free drivers
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• 3063[18:23:56] <hellyeah> hey
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• 3068[18:25:08] <hellyeah> fsSL replaced-url
• 3069[18:25:16] <hellyeah> what package do i need to install
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• 3074[18:27:06] <mnuhmnuh> !docker
• 3075[18:27:06] <dpkg> i guess docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
• 3076[18:27:15] <jelly> good grief, yet another wget | sudo
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• 3078[18:27:34] <mnuhmnuh> wut?
• 3079[18:27:51] <jelly> hellyeah: no idea what fssl is, but it looks replacable with wget -O-
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• 3081[18:28:33] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: who do they sue when it breaks?
• 3082[18:28:47] <jelly> ,file etc/os-release
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• 3084[18:28:51] <judd> Search for etc/os-release in stretch/amd64: base-files: etc/os-release
• 3085[18:28:58] <jelly> huh, when did that happen
• 3086[18:29:00] <hellyeah> i dont know man
• 3087[18:29:09] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 3088[18:29:10] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: Get Docker CE for Debian | Docker Documentation (chez docs.docker.com)
• 3089[18:29:21] <hellyeah> command is here
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• 3091[18:29:29] <jelly> hellyeah: maybe don't run commands if you have no idea what they do!
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• 3093[18:29:56] <jelly> ,file bin/fssl
• 3094[18:30:00] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 3095[18:30:04] <jelly> nope
• 3096[18:30:06] <hellyeah> my mistake
• 3097[18:30:14] <hellyeah> curl -fsSL replaced-url
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• 3099[18:30:19] <hellyeah> it is curl thing
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• 3104[18:31:57] <mnuhmnuh> it is apt-key add thing.
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• 3106[18:32:11] <hipster> hey everyody... speaking of borking an install with commands without proper flags.... I messed up. I broke my lab by adding my sudo user to a group without -a . I boot to recovery mode but it says it cannot open the console because root login is disabled. Halp?
• 3107[18:33:21] <jelly> hipster: boot from a live linux cd, mount your linux installation someplace, and then fix things
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• 3109[18:33:32] <hipster> roger tyty
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• 3111[18:34:13] <jelly> hipster: do you know, how did you manage to install debian with root login disabled, btw?
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• 3116[18:35:53] <mnuhmnuh> grub generally offers single user, mount your ptns (a la fstab) fsck what's broken, recover, recover, ... usually works, seldom need to.
• 3117[18:36:50] <jelly> mnuhmnuh: "single user" is now "recovery" and they say that does not work
• 3118[18:36:54] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: often done in commercialland, where phys. access is mistrusted.
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• 3120[18:37:06] <mnuhmnuh> NIS, yada yada
• 3121[18:37:34] <mnuhmnuh> ah.
• 3122[18:37:49] <hipster> I disallowed root to tighten up lab access.
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• 3125[18:38:18] <mnuhmnuh> use another cd. system rescue cd, gnome parted cd, ...
• 3126[18:38:51] <hipster> I have a couple live CDs around. I just wanted to know if there was another way in.
• 3127[18:39:31] <mnuhmnuh> there was, you disabled it. :-)
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• 3129[18:39:50] <hipster> lol cool. thanks all
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• 3133[18:40:39] <jelly> there might be, but details of getting a shell in systemd times escape me
• 3134[18:41:10] <jelly> hipster: give root a complex password instead, next time
• 3135[18:42:14] <phinxy> I'm trying to set X keyboard repeat rate + delay in a config but which one is it? There is no 00-keyboard.conf.
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• 3138[18:43:58] <phinxy> There is /etc/default/keyboard for virtual console which Xorg seems to load as well on start. But it has no keyboard rate option. Calling xset is not persistent, a config would be better if its possible..
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• 3140[18:44:05] <hipster> While I'm here. DOes anyone know if the grsecurity kernel package is getting discontinued?
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• 3146[18:45:05] <mnuhmnuh> dunno, manpage? cat /etc/default/keyboard
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• 3151[18:46:30] <booyah> hipster: dunno, but it being closed access does not bode well
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• 3156[18:47:41] <phinxy> Some RedHat person said 2010 "run xset every time keyboard is plugged in"
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• 3162[18:51:09] <jelly> hipster: linux-grsec package is based on minipli's 4.9 unofficial tree for the time being, when that dies it's likely debian's (Corsac's) package will die as well
• 3163[18:51:52] <hipster> that makes me sad... I was thinking mem address randomization was a good thing considering all these new hardware bugs...
• 3164[18:51:58] <phinxy> Ill try: startx -- -ardelay 250 -arinterval 50
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• 3166[18:52:36] <hellyeah> Skipping acquire of configured file '\stable/dep11/icons-64x64.tar' as repository 'replaced-url
• 3167[18:52:37] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: Index of /linux/debian/ (chez download.docker.com)
• 3168[18:52:41] <hellyeah> what does that mean?
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• 3193[18:59:57] <hellyeah> !dpkg docker
• 3194[18:59:57] <dpkg> rumour has it, docker is #docker on chat.freenode.net
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• 3210[19:03:46] <jelly> hipster: does it make you sad enough to pay €2000 for actual grsec
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• 3212[19:04:32] <hipster> is it closed source? lol
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• 3220[19:08:25] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: tax dedutable business expense, so you're paying. feel better?
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• 3223[19:09:01] <jelly> it's not closed source, just commercial
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• 3227[19:11:47] <hipster> jelly: hmmmm... so I can see the source?
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• 3233[19:12:11] <jelly> hipster: of course
• 3234[19:12:30] <jelly> their product _is_ source basically
• 3235[19:12:47] <hipster> jelly: only after I've paid?
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• 3237[19:13:23] <nango> Debian rules
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• 3241[19:14:04] <nango> #mpv mpv is cool!
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• 3244[19:15:06] <hipster> jelly: to be honest I might pay for it if it was fully integrated with Debian... but I reaaaly don't hve that kind of cash. I also would like to have as many eyes to audit it. So if it was truly opensource I might look more into it.
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• 3246[19:15:52] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> is there a good webbrowser that works w/o xserver. CSS / pictures / HTML4 should work. i testeted links2 in grafic mode but it cant do all that.
• 3247[19:16:10] <JustASlacker> pics is hard on terminal
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• 3250[19:16:17] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> :D
• 3251[19:16:21] <JustASlacker> best I know is w3m
• 3252[19:16:28] <hipster> ^
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• 3254[19:16:52] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: yes, w3m with the w3m-img script
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• 3256[19:17:40] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: however if you take a look at the python shellpic program, maybe you can write a script from links2 to open the image links with it
• 3257[19:18:19] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> links2 work with images but no css
• 3258[19:18:21] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> for me
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• 3270[19:25:03] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: another question, can you configure links2 to work well with vim-like key-bindings?
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• 3273[19:26:02] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> i dont know sorry im not so deep in debian yet ... comming from win XP 64bit for 2-3 months :D
• 3274[19:26:48] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: sure don't worry ;), if anyone else knows, I'd be glad to get a glimpse into a config file like it
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• 3279[19:27:32] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> its hard i am missing tools from win on debian ... and i am missing tools from debian on win ^^
• 3280[19:27:53] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: like what ?
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• 3284[19:28:46] <jelly> yeah that happens, Bier jpg pipe Xeon X8
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• 3288[19:29:26] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> kill me :D Notepad++ some features of Virtual Dimensions, Nettalk, Foobar2000 (runs with wine)
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• 3290[19:30:05] <jelly> notepad++ also runs in wine
• 3291[19:30:20] <nango> Notepad++? you have gedit, geany ...
• 3292[19:30:32] <jelly> gedit?! *spits*
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• 3294[19:30:43] <annadane> emacs...
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• 3297[19:30:56] <nango> jelly: you spit on gedit and not on notepad++?? :D
• 3298[19:30:56] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> editor wars ^^
• 3299[19:31:20] <jelly> nango: also: UE32!
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• 3304[19:32:37] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: and audoiplayers... you got a lot ...
• 3305[19:32:46] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> yes
• 3306[19:32:48] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: replaced-url
• 3307[19:32:49] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> tested some
• 3308[19:32:49] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: List of applications - ArchWiki (chez wiki.archlinux.org)
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• 3312[19:33:13] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> but none perfekt yet ;)
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• 3315[19:33:40] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> many much gui little use
• 3316[19:33:42] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> :D
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• 3319[19:34:23] <titou_> hi everyone
• 3320[19:34:42] <nango> Bierjpg|XeonX8: trust me you'll find everything, just take some time optimizing your setup
• 3321[19:34:59] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> yes i will ;)
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• 3323[19:35:13] <titou_> I have a problem with my old thinkpad a30p with jessie 686
• 3324[19:35:26] <titou_> my apt source list is kind of old
• 3325[19:35:36] <jelly> !jessie sources.list
• 3326[19:35:36] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
• 3327[19:35:58] <titou_> woaaaa
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• 3330[19:36:35] <odla> when i run pdflatex on a .tex file, none of the text renders in the texworks or texmaker viewer. can someone help me identify what the problematic package would be? evince shows that the text updates and the pdf is rendered correctly.
• 3331[19:36:43] <annadane> "old"? well first of all it's jessie, second of all even current stable tends to have older packages
• 3332[19:36:57] <titou_> It need to be absolutely stable as for upgrades... it's an headless labtop, screen is dead
• 3333[19:36:58] <annadane> if "old" is your only problem, upgrade to stretch if you want
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• 3335[19:37:09] <odla> i am using debian stable
• 3336[19:37:30] <titou_> the cpu isn't suitable for other dans 686 pae
• 3337[19:38:08] <titou_> the network works, that was a surprise, the labtop was off for 4 years
• 3338[19:38:20] <jelly> titou_: what does "uname -a" say?
• 3339[19:38:33] <titou_> with ssh running an old account ...still working
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• 3342[19:39:29] <odla> would it be a libpoppler package?
• 3343[19:40:16] <titou_> linux 3.16.0-4-686-pae (2016-07-02) i686 gnu/linux
• 3344[19:40:37] <titou_> x86
• 3345[19:40:47] <jelly> titou_: seems to have been powered on less than two years ago
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• 3348[19:41:52] <odla> i am guessing it's this: replaced-url
• 3349[19:41:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3350[19:42:07] <titou_> yes :p
• 3351[19:42:09] <jelly> odla: can you find a version of a file where pdflatex worked?
• 3352[19:42:23] <jelly> and see if it fails with that file now
• 3353[19:42:44] <odla> jelly: i am hit by that bug.
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• 3359[19:43:50] <titou_> updating my source liste
• 3360[19:43:51] <jelly> odla: does the workaround described fix it for you?
• 3361[19:44:19] <jelly> installing cm-super and regenerating, that is
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• 3363[19:44:43] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> ok next question from my side :D
• 3364[19:44:48] <odla> jelly: sounds like this might work: "reinstall the old version (0.48.0-2) of the Poppler packages (you can
• 3365[19:44:48] <odla> explicitly specify the version number to use using `apt install PACKAGENAME1=0.48.0-2 PACKAGENAME2=0.48.0-2 [...]`)"
• 3366[19:45:08] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> i have a GTX580 with two monitors
• 3367[19:45:26] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> now i want to use both of them on TTY
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• 3369[19:45:36] <jelly> odla: that's probably going to fix things, but then your poppler is unpatched
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• 3372[19:45:46] <odla> i am curious if anyone is using testing and uses pdflatex and if they get this error or if it's fixed?
• 3373[19:46:15] <odla> jelly: i am thinking of updating to testing anyways as i unfortunately need new packages and this isn't a mission critical laptop.
• 3374[19:46:20] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> i have found this: replaced-url
• 3375[19:46:22] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: Multi monitor CLI adventures (chez replaced-url
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• 3377[19:46:33] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> but it seems that i need two framebuffers for it
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• 3380[19:46:45] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> and i only have one?!?
• 3381[19:47:03] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> or is that a driver mistake?
• 3382[19:47:20] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> i could just put a secound gpu in the system...
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• 3387[19:47:57] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> i only have /dev/fb0 and not /dev/fb1
• 3388[19:48:12] <hipster> jelly: I got my sudo back up. The hardest part was finding a live cd. Now back to figuring out all the other groups my users were in....
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• 3393[19:50:06] <Bierjpg|XeonX8> now the gpu just clones screen 1 and 2
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• 3414[20:00:38] <ttim> t
• 3415[20:00:40] <ttim> hi
• 3416[20:00:49] <ttim> sorry that was my client lag
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• 3448[20:17:50] <Lope> 100% free software linux phone replaced-url
• 3449[20:17:52] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: Librem 5 – A Security and Privacy Focused Phone – Purism (chez puri.sm)
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• 3454[20:20:05] <KemiD> hi
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• 3456[20:20:14] <KemiD> maybe someone can help me
• 3457[20:20:35] <KemiD> I'm having trouble trying to install a new kernel
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• 3460[20:21:47] <KemiD> everything goes ok but when I try to run the comand to install it the prompt says "unable to apply some actions, aborting"
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• 3473[20:26:48] <Stefan_> Hi everybody, could anyone help me to install synology cloud station on my notebook please? I`m to stupid to find the setup.exe in the package i had downloaded from synology :/
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• 3479[20:29:50] <wonderer> hi all
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• 3482[20:30:14] <Stefan_> hi wonderer
• 3483[20:30:27] <wonderer> is there a repo i can use to go back to from php7.0 to php5.6
• 3484[20:30:32] <wonderer> hi Stefan_
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• 3487[20:31:09] <jhutchins> ,v php
• 3488[20:31:10] <mnuhmnuh> Stefan_: thinking of breaking debian? frankendebian?
• 3489[20:31:10] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.0+57; sid: 1:7.0+57
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• 3491[20:31:21] <jhutchins> ,v php5
• 3492[20:31:23] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.33+dfsg-0+deb8u1
• 3493[20:31:30] <jhutchins> ,v php7
• 3494[20:31:32] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
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• 3497[20:31:48] <jhutchins> wonderer: Why?
• 3498[20:32:07] <hipster> Stefan_: setup.exe is for Windows unless you are using somehing similar to WINE
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• 3501[20:32:38] <wonderer> jhutchins have an old site usingn php 5
• 3502[20:32:45] <wonderer> php7 kills it
• 3503[20:33:10] * mnuhmnuh feature!
• 3504[20:33:11] <jhutchins> wonderer: That's too bad, I wish they'd do better about backwards compatibility.
• 3505[20:33:18] <jhutchins> wonderer: Is this your own custom code?
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• 3510[20:34:15] <Stefan_> i know that setup.exe is for windows, the last 25 years i used windows. But now i want to use linux an would try debian. but in the debian software store, i cant find the program for synology cloud station
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• 3513[20:34:36] <wonderer> jhutchins no
• 3514[20:34:42] <wonderer> i wished too
• 3515[20:34:52] <Stefan_> but at synology, i can download the program for Ubuntu / debian
• 3516[20:34:53] <jhutchins> wonderer: The problem is that php.net stopped providing sercurity updates in mid-2015, it's beeen EOL for more than two years.
• 3517[20:34:57] <wonderer> its a hash up of an old wiki
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• 3520[20:35:01] <wonderer> with custome code
• 3521[20:35:03] <wonderer> brb
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• 3523[20:35:28] <hipster> Stefan_: That helps a little.
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• 3525[20:35:36] <hipster> All: are links allowed here?
• 3526[20:35:58] <jhutchins> hipster: If they're relevant to troubleshooting a specific problem.
• 3527[20:36:08] <hipster> tyty
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• 3529[20:36:17] <hipster> Stefan_: replaced-url
• 3530[20:36:20] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: How to install Synology Cloud Station on Ubuntu Linux – Random Hacks / σX (chez replaced-url
• 3531[20:36:43] <hipster> Stefan_: that should work with Debian
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• 3533[20:37:01] <jhutchins> hipster: Excellent use of link, yes.
• 3534[20:37:12] <Stefan_> cool, thank you guys, i would try it right now ...
• 3535[20:37:33] <mnuhmnuh> hipster: wouldn't ubuntu forumbe better place to ask about that? no problem, just suggest.
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• 3540[20:38:31] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: He's providing guidance that might work on Debian for Stefan_
• 3541[20:38:40] <hipster> mnuhmnuh: he asked how to install Synology on Debian. As I did not see any thread for Debian I assumed the Ubuntu way should work as it is a derivative.
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• 3543[20:39:11] <jhutchins> Synology _should_ have instructions on their site.
• 3544[20:39:24] <hipster> ^true
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• 3547[20:39:55] <jhutchins> Stefan_: If you manage to run an installer or something that doesn't use apt/dpkg for the install, be sure you have a backup first.
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• 3549[20:40:38] <jhutchins> wonderer: Your best bet is probably to see if it will run on 5.6 and stand up a Jessie server. That will get you until 2019 to fix the problems.
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• 3552[20:41:08] <jhutchins> wonderer: Meanwhile, find whoever wrote the custom code and ask them for a version compatible with 7.
• 3553[20:41:25] <wonderer> jhutchins i know
• 3554[20:41:35] <wonderer> server has php7 and php5.6
• 3555[20:41:48] <wonderer> i hope to make code compat in 7 one day :D
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• 3560[20:45:36] <jhutchins> wonderer: If you really need it, you could stand up a wheezy box.
• 3561[20:45:37] <mnuhmnuh> jhutchins: hipster: "How to install Synology Cloud Station on ..." # tomorrow, on wiki.debian.org.
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• 3563[20:46:15] <hipster> I'm trying to build my non-priveledged user's groups back and so far I have adm,cdrom,dip,plugdev,kvm,libvirt,libvirt-qemu does this look right? Do you all think I'm missing anything or have something extra?
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• 3565[20:46:24] <hipster> mnuhmnuh: tyty
• 3566[20:46:31] <jhutchins> wonderer: They have a lot of good documentation on upgrading, including a script that will analyse your code for incompatibilities and how to fix them,
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• 3568[20:46:44] <wonderer> cool
• 3569[20:46:50] <wonderer> where is this script
• 3570[20:46:57] <wonderer> can u link me?
• 3571[20:47:05] <mnuhmnuh> hipster: not offering.
• 3572[20:47:12] <jhutchins> Sorry, I've just read about using it in other docs.
• 3573[20:47:25] <jhutchins> I make sure the box lights up and blinks, code is up to the developers.
• 3574[20:47:59] <mnuhmnuh> !dpkg synology
• 3575[20:48:06] <mnuhmnuh> meh.
• 3576[20:48:11] <wonderer> sorry
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• 3578[20:48:30] <wonderer> i cant, code dev long gone
• 3579[20:48:36] <annadane> can you even invoke dpkg via !dpkg
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• 3581[20:48:57] <hipster> !dpkg dpkg
• 3582[20:48:57] <dpkg> [dpkg] the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
• 3583[20:49:03] <hipster> sweet
• 3584[20:49:07] <annadane> well, let's not try spamming the channel
• 3585[20:49:26] <annadane> tried it in #debian-bots, does work
• 3586[20:49:31] <annadane> anyway, off topic, carry on
• 3587[20:50:28] * mnuhmnuh "/msg dpkg synology" == "dpkg ) KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 3589[20:50:43] <wonderer> in other words
• 3590[20:50:48] <wonderer> you :P
• 3591[20:51:11] <hipster> yeah... so I have quite a few more groups in /etc/group but hopefully I can get by what I have for now.
• 3592[20:51:26] <mnuhmnuh> 'apropos, a fair cop.
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• 3596[20:53:50] <Stefan_> feedback, it does not work :(
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• 3599[20:54:18] <Stefan_> iam to stupid to work with a terminal :)
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• 3601[20:55:36] <Stefan_> the file ive downloaded is a .deb file. So is this not a file to start it with the software store?
• 3602[20:56:16] <hipster> Stefan_: If the program is not in the repo's you will probably need to learn about package managers like dpkg or the gui version synaptic
• 3603[20:56:18] <jhutchins> Stefan_: softwar store is Ubuntu. Are you actually running Debian?
• 3604[20:56:21] <Nezoriel> hi have you installed gdebi with synaptic ?
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• 3607[20:56:34] <jhutchins> ,v gdebi
• 3608[20:56:35] <judd> Package: gdebi on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.7; jessie: 0.9.5.5+nmu1; buster: 0.9.5.7+nmu1; sid: 0.9.5.7+nmu1; stretch: 0.9.5.7+nmu1
• 3609[20:56:43] <jhutchins> !info gdebi
• 3610[20:56:49] <dpkg> gdebi: (simple tool to view and install deb files - GNOME GUI), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.9.5.7+nmu1 (sid), Packaged size: 39 kB, Installed size: 165 kB
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• 3612[20:56:59] <Stefan_> deban 9.2.1, yes
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• 3615[20:57:27] <Nezoriel> this I mean, try in terminal gdebi Packagename.deb
• 3616[20:57:39] <jhutchins> Stefan_: Generally, dpkg -i <path to deb file> and see what it says. You may need to run aptitude -f install to fetch dependencies.
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• 3620[20:59:05] <Stefan_> @jhutchins, i would try it. And by the way, sorry for my bad englisch
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• 3623[21:00:03] <jhutchins> Stefan_: You're doing fine.
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• 3626[21:01:09] <Stefan_> dpkg dont like me :)
• 3627[21:01:09] <dpkg> Stefan_: have you tried replaced-url
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• 3629[21:01:10] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: The Linux Documentation Project (chez replaced-url
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• 3632[21:02:01] <mnuhmnuh> Stefan_: dpkg, you just give her time to warm up.
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• 3634[21:02:05] <coruja> Stefan_, apt install ./path/to/deb works too (including installing missing deps)
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• 3636[21:02:45] <Stefan_> oohhh, i tried it with apt get-install :D
• 3637[21:02:46] <donald> where can I download .deb files from the site of debian packages with not use the command line?
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• 3641[21:03:10] <rant> donald: try the synaptic package manager perhaps
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• 3644[21:03:36] <Stefan_> it also dont work
• 3645[21:03:36] <donald> Stefan_: apt install = apt-get install but apt-get install is going to be deprecieted
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• 3649[21:04:18] <rant> apt install and apt-get install are different.. just like aptitude install is different.. though they are roughly equiv
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• 3651[21:04:43] <donald> rant I do not have any debian to run a command line
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• 3654[21:04:59] <mnuhmnuh> make sure apt* update finishes clean first.
• 3655[21:05:07] <somiaj> though my understanding is apt and apt-get use the same logic libary (unlike aptitude), so the main difference is in terms of output.
• 3656[21:05:18] <rant> donald: are you saying you want to download from a website?
• 3657[21:05:19] <coruja> donald, browse any mirror's pool directory
• 3658[21:05:29] <rant> donald: you can browse a mirror
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• 3661[21:05:44] <Stefan_> if i type "apt install ./synology....deb" the he ask for sudo. But if i type "sudo apt install ./synology...deb" than he dont know what apt is
• 3662[21:05:59] <Stefan_> is this a joke? :)
• 3663[21:06:00] <somiaj> donald: apt-get is not going to be depericated. Part of the reson for apt is apt-get is used in scripts, and so it has to keep a stable interface. apt-get will keep more options and a stable interface to be used in scripts, apt is more for a end user.
• 3664[21:06:00] <uniqdom> Hello. Does a keylogger needs to be running as root to work?
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• 3666[21:06:17] <donald> coruja like that replaced-url
• 3667[21:06:26] <hipster> wow
• 3668[21:06:59] <rant> donald: replaced-url
• 3669[21:06:59] <uniqdom> if a keylogger run as user, will it work?
• 3670[21:07:00] <uBOTu|packages> Titre: Index of /debian/ (chez mirrors.kernel.org)
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• 3673[21:07:17] <jelly> wtf
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• 3681[21:08:16] <rant> uniqdom: a keylogger could work either way I suppose, it all depends on the method used and if there is anything stopping it.. something monitoring at soley an X input level for example would probably not work on a more secure server like wayland
• 3682[21:08:46] <rant> uniqdom: technically a keylogger need not run as root or user it can be installed directly on the keyboard itself
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• 3684[21:09:15] <rant> or in the case of wireless keyboard, not installed anywhere at all
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• 3686[21:09:31] <coruja> donald, replaced-url
• 3687[21:09:38] <coruja> for example
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• 3692[21:10:25] <mnuhmnuh> Stefan_: "aptitude search synology" == ""; eg. not exist in debian. jesus saves, passes to moses, shootzy scores! with help, you may get it working, but your project.
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• 3695[21:10:48] <somiaj> donald: packages.debian.org can search/give you links to all current packages.
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• 3697[21:13:23] <hipster> Now when I log into tty1 the screen flashes text and then the tty1 login prompt displays again?
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• 3712[21:18:58] <Stefan_> ah, now i undarstand a little bit more. Not the program is missing. sudo is not installed. debian breaks my brain. A Linux without a admin account? Who the hell should be admin if there is no sudo? *shok*
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• 3716[21:19:56] <hipster> root
• 3717[21:19:57] <coruja> Stefan_, it's called 'root' ;)
• 3718[21:19:58] <jelly> Stefan_: use "su -" to open a root shell.
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• 3720[21:20:21] <jelly> do your admining as root, and exit that shell when you're done
• 3721[21:20:26] <Stefan_> root apt-get ?!
• 3722[21:20:36] <jelly> no, just apt-get.
• 3723[21:20:37] <hipster> I do not use a login manage for this lab but instead startx from tty1
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• 3726[21:20:51] <wpostma> a fresh debian install needs you to apt-get install sudo
• 3727[21:20:56] <wpostma> while root
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• 3729[21:21:03] <hipster> Stefan_: you must be logged in as root#
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• 3731[21:21:04] <jelly> Stefan_: "sudo" without options is just an unusual way to run commands as root.
• 3732[21:21:25] <coruja> Stefan_, you can also install sudo and add yourself to the sudo group, then re-login to enable
• 3733[21:21:27] <annadane> depending on how the owner has set up the sudo accounts
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• 3736[21:23:07] <Stefan_> "apt-get install sudo" does not work, because iam not a admin
• 3737[21:23:11] <Stefan_> wtf
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• 3739[21:23:43] <Stefan_> my notebook, my os, but iam just a idiot
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• 3741[21:23:51] <wpostma> su
• 3742[21:23:53] <wpostma> then password
• 3743[21:23:55] <coruja> Stefan_, jelly explained how to become root user
• 3744[21:23:56] <wpostma> then apt-get install sudo
• 3745[21:23:59] * mnuhmnuh "It's for your protection, sir."
• 3746[21:24:06] <hipster> Stefan_: Slow down...
• 3747[21:24:13] <mnuhmnuh> wink, wink.
• 3748[21:24:28] <jelly> Stefan_: sure, you're an idiot, but you don't have to be
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• 3750[21:24:38] <hipster> If you are not root. Then you must become root before making a sudo user.
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• 3752[21:24:51] <hipster> To become root, one must log in as root.
• 3753[21:25:02] <Stefan_> "su" is my friend, that helped me *smily*
• 3754[21:25:12] <wpostma> su = means become root and stay root
• 3755[21:25:20] <wpostma> sudo = means do one command as root and go back to being me again.
• 3756[21:25:36] <wpostma> once you have sudo you should use it mostly.
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• 3758[21:25:42] <A|an> My system is tight on memory (I
• 3759[21:25:43] <wpostma> to save yourself from stupidity. trust me on that. you will be happier.
• 3760[21:25:46] <coruja> Stefan_, the more mistakes, the more you learn ;)
• 3761[21:26:10] <mnuhmnuh> sudo also logs its actions, whereas "su -" == gawd.
• 3762[21:26:41] * jelly runs "sudo -i" and watches it log exactly the same amount
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• 3764[21:28:00] * mnuhmnuh "i can stick my big left toe in my right ear." "why'd i wanna do that?" -- BC.
• 3765[21:28:01] <A|an> My system is tight on memory (I'm about to install a new system) and I just had iceweasel crash, because I was really low on memory...so I deleted some stuff, freeing up 2.5 G, and it still won't start up, giving the same msg from the command line: Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module"
• 3766[21:28:53] <A|an> As enlightenment for the future, how do I get my browser to start up without rebooting (which would "cure" the situation)?
• 3767[21:28:57] <mnuhmnuh> alekz: founalctl -b 0
• 3768[21:28:57] <hipster> Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid host tty1
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• 3770[21:29:06] <mnuhmnuh> alekz: jounalctl -b 0
• 3771[21:29:07] <hipster> will not keep me logged in
• 3772[21:29:28] <mnuhmnuh> alan: jounalctl -b 0
• 3773[21:29:43] <coruja> journalctl
• 3774[21:29:45] <Stefan_> wow, sudo is installed. Where i can found the file, in which i can say that stefan can use sudo ?
• 3775[21:29:54] <mnuhmnuh> meh.
• 3776[21:30:04] <Stefan_> meep
• 3777[21:30:20] <A|an> expand on that, please
• 3778[21:30:20] <somiaj> Stefan_: adduser username sudo -- add the user to the sudo group, the log out/back in as that user.
• 3779[21:30:24] <coruja> Stefan_, (as root) usermod -G sudo -a <your_username>
• 3780[21:30:47] <mnuhmnuh> Stefan_: "sudo uname -a"
• 3781[21:31:22] <jelly> A|an: can you log off and back on and try again?
• 3782[21:31:29] <A|an> system log...okay
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• 3785[21:32:09] <coruja> A|an, is libcanberra-gtk-module installed?
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• 3790[21:32:37] <jelly> hipster: if you're on testing or unstable, best ask in
• 3791[21:32:39] <Stefan_> stefan is not in the sudoers-file
• 3792[21:32:40] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3793[21:32:40] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3794[21:32:46] <A|an> jelly: i can, and that would fix things, but i'm curious how i can address this situation without doing that
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• 3797[21:33:15] <jelly> A|an: you said a reboot would fix; did you try just logging off and back on instead?
• 3798[21:33:19] <Sansar> jelly: #debian-next asks for invitation, how to get there?
• 3799[21:33:20] <somiaj> Stefan_: you have to add that user to the sudo group (as root) then logout and log back in as the user.
• 3800[21:33:22] <A|an> (this is a user desktop situation, not server-enterprise thing)
• 3801[21:33:31] <jelly> Sansar: read the line carefully
• 3802[21:33:37] <A|an> jelly: no
• 3803[21:33:39] <Stefan_> ah, ok. ...try...
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• 3805[21:33:41] <A|an> let me see
• 3806[21:33:41] <hipster> jelly: tyty
• 3807[21:33:47] <Sansar> jelly: sorry, got it
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• 3809[21:34:16] <A|an> jelly: i can't do that...have other thing cooking
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• 3812[21:34:47] <Stefan_> wait, restart thy notebook or just the terminal ?
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• 3815[21:36:00] <jelly> Stefan_: if you added yourself to sudo group, log off, and back on, so that the login process applies new group memberships
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• 3822[21:37:02] <Stefan_> as i was su, i did adduser stefan sudo
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• 3825[21:37:27] <Stefan_> than i go back with exit to the account stefan
• 3826[21:37:45] <hipster> I fixed it I added myself to a stupid group :,-(
• 3827[21:37:49] <jelly> Stefan_: then you click wherever to log out and go back to login screen
• 3828[21:37:49] <RoyK> Stefan_: add -m to useradd
• 3829[21:37:59] <jelly> RoyK: adduser is not useradd
• 3830[21:38:30] <jelly> (not on Debian)
• 3831[21:38:30] <RoyK> sorry - I mis-read
• 3832[21:39:21] <hipster> is useradd the deprecated one?
• 3833[21:39:36] <jelly> no
• 3834[21:39:51] <jelly> adduser is just a fancy wrapper for useradd
• 3835[21:40:03] <hipster> aaaah
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• 3837[21:40:11] <Tr4sK> Hi. When I’m booting my system after grub, I drop into a initramfs shell. Once there, I cannot use cryptsetup to open my luks partition. Can someone tell me wich module to load in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules plz
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• 3839[21:40:24] <Stefan_> waf, debiab and me would not be friends :( :/
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• 3842[21:40:49] <Sansar> is there a problem with irc.oftc.net? Can't open the page there
• 3843[21:40:54] <Stefan_> how can i see, which account are in sudo?
• 3844[21:41:17] <hipster> Stefan_: Many people consider Debian as a moderate skilled user distro.
• 3845[21:41:29] <Tr4sK> Stefan_: grep sudo /etc/groups
• 3846[21:41:41] <hipster> Stefan_: cat /etc/groups
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• 3848[21:41:48] <Tr4sK> -s
• 3849[21:42:03] <hipster> Stefan_: cat /etc/group
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• 3854[21:44:46] <Sansar> Is there any software similar to "checkinstall" to setup packages?
• 3855[21:45:20] <jelly> the right way or the easy way?
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• 3857[21:45:36] <jelly> the right way is probably
• 3858[21:45:40] <jelly> !nmg
• 3859[21:45:40] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
• 3860[21:45:58] <Stefan_> i choose it, to use the same linux on rasperrys and notebook. But on both systems, there are just problems and less solutions to fix problems in short time
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• 3864[21:47:23] <Sansar> jelly: I try many programs so when I want to remove them I would like to remove easily. For .deb packages gdebi is working fine but for the rest checkinstall was the best. God knows why it is still not on the testing.
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• 3866[21:47:51] <jelly> !why is checkinstall not in testing
• 3867[21:47:51] <dpkg> checkinstall is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
• 3868[21:47:58] * jelly has a feeling of deja vu
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• 3870[21:49:01] <Sansar> as someone new I got the reasons, but disappointed that many packages like checkinstall and guake are not making it to testing
• 3871[21:49:38] <hipster> Stefan_: learning is not instantaneous
• 3872[21:50:19] <jelly> Sansar: so... maybe, help fixing them?
• 3873[21:50:46] <Sansar> wish i could, but still a noob.I appreciate those who help the fixes though.
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• 3876[21:51:39] <hipster> Well everyone I have gotten back into my lab without re-installing! All is working again! Thnk you all for the moral and technical support!
• 3877[21:51:46] <jelly> you're using testing, by definition that's only what people who want to help fix next debian release do
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• 3880[21:51:57] <jelly> Sansar: so you're not a noob any more. Congrats.
• 3881[21:52:01] <jelly> gofix things.
• 3882[21:52:30] <jelly> !win hipster
• 3883[21:52:30] <dpkg> Congratulations, hipster! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
• 3884[21:52:41] <hipster> *Cough* I am in sid for the grsec kernel
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• 3887[21:53:13] <hipster> I mean I report bugs too!
• 3888[21:53:22] <Sansar> Technically you are right, I am investing much time to learn debian first and hopefully after some time I'll be able to help
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• 3906[21:57:59] <Stefan_____> So, i restart the notebook. because i dont know what to do to get stefan activated in sudoers-file
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• 3912[21:59:19] <hipster> Stefan(with all the_s):yes adding to a group usually requires a restart
• 3913[21:59:43] <Stefan_____> So, "sudo apt install ./synology-cloud-station-backup-4396.i686.deb" --> Unsupported file
• 3914[21:59:56] <jelly> hipster: no, it requires logging off, but they did not know how to achieve only that
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• 3917[22:00:15] <Stefan_____> So much time is lost for this answer from debian :8
• 3918[22:00:18] <hipster> ok ok my bad
• 3919[22:00:36] <hipster> is the notebook x86_64?
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• 3921[22:00:44] <jelly> Stefan_____: that sounds like a 32bit package. Do you have a 64bit or a 32bit installation?
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• 3923[22:00:53] <jelly> Stefan_____: dpkg --print-architecture
• 3924[22:01:06] <jelly> amd64 means 64bit
• 3925[22:01:29] <Stefan_____> Acer aspire vx15
• 3926[22:02:00] <Stefan_____> sorry, i dont know more about this technologys
• 3927[22:02:17] <noocx> jelly: what you said about smartctl? does it give incorrect data?
• 3928[22:02:20] <jelly> Stefan_____: what does this command output: dpkg --print-architecture
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• 3932[22:03:02] <Stefan_____> i386
• 3933[22:03:05] <hipster> it is 64 bit If there is no 64 bit package for synology I suggest multiarch
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• 3935[22:03:18] <jelly> noocx: if it works it provides the same data as hdsentinel, however, hdsentinel gives better explanations / interpretation of the same data
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• 3937[22:03:35] <jelly> Stefan_____: then that .deb package might work.
• 3938[22:03:37] <hipster> oh I'll hut up 32 bit install
• 3939[22:03:57] <noocx> jelly: ahh ok thanks
• 3940[22:04:08] <jelly> Stefan_____: pastebin the complete output of "sudo dpkg -i ./synology-cloud-station-backup-4396.i686.deb"
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• 3942[22:04:31] <Stefan_____> 20 years ago, i had a pentium II cpu with 350Mhz, i think it will be 386 too
• 3943[22:04:42] <noocx> Model Family: SandForce Driven SSDs
• 3944[22:04:46] <noocx> Device Model: KINGSTON SV300S37A120
• 3945[22:04:54] <noocx> is it good?
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• 3947[22:05:20] <jelly> if it works... it's good?
• 3948[22:05:26] <noocx> :)
• 3949[22:05:41] <Stefan_____> dpkg: Fehler: Auf das Archiv »./synology-cloud-station-backup-4396.i686.deb« kann nicht zugegriffen werden: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden
• 3950[22:05:41] <dpkg> You are person #1 to send an unparseable request, Stefan_____
• 3951[22:05:50] <jelly> !localized errors
• 3952[22:05:50] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
• 3953[22:06:06] <annadane> not enough underscores
• 3954[22:06:13] <noocx> :D
• 3955[22:06:21] <Stefan_____> lol, my mistake
• 3956[22:06:21] <hipster> lolololo
• 3957[22:06:35] <Tr4sK> Hey, after grub, I drop into a initramfs shell. I cannot use cryptsetup to open my luks disk.
• 3958[22:06:40] <Stefan_____> cloud station backub works
• 3959[22:06:46] <Stefan_____> what? why?
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• 3961[22:07:39] <jelly> Tr4sK: boot a livecd, luksOpen and mount your / fs manually... is your /etc/crypttab correct?
• 3962[22:07:41] <hipster> Tr4sk: if you live boot, What is your grub config file say
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• 3965[22:08:04] <jelly> Tr4sK: which debian release is this?
• 3966[22:08:15] <Tr4sK> testing
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• 3968[22:08:30] <Tr4sK> let me boot the rescue mode.
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• 3970[22:08:50] <donald> omiaj: donald: packages.debian.org can search/give you links to all current packages. => Ifound information but not link to the packages .deb
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• 3972[22:08:54] <jelly> Tr4sK: if you have an older kernel, try booting that
• 3973[22:09:07] <jelly> and ask about testing in
• 3974[22:09:11] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3975[22:09:11] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3976[22:09:28] <hipster> Tr4sk:does rescue mode open encryption?
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• 3978[22:09:39] <Tr4sK> But, /etc/crypttab is correct. I remember be able to play with cryptsetup luksopen in initramfs shell
• 3979[22:09:48] <Tr4sK> hipster: yes
• 3980[22:10:01] <hipster> what does the grub config file say
• 3981[22:10:18] <somiaj> donald: links are there, scroll down, choose your arch, then choose your mirror
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• 3990[22:15:12] <Stefan_____> so, for me, that i would be understud the right way... 1. the account stefan is now and for ever in the sudo-group. By the next installation, never there are so problems again. Never ever!?! 2. apt-get is not the right command to install this program. I have to use dkpg? Why dpkg can install it and why is apt-get not able to do that? 3. had i take the wrong install-package? Where i can find the right package?
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• 3992[22:15:18] <hellyeah> my kernel is 4-0-13
• 3993[22:15:25] <hellyeah> but i have 4-0-14 header file
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• 3995[22:15:31] <hellyeah> how can it be?
• 3996[22:15:48] <donald> somiaj for example I can find replaced-url
• 3997[22:16:15] <donald> wait replaced-url
• 3998[22:16:18] <donald> I found replaced-url
• 3999[22:16:22] <donald> let me search again
• 4000[22:16:49] <donald> victory! I found ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hardinfo/hardinfo_0.5.1-1.4_amd64.deb
• 4001[22:17:07] <Tr4sK> hipster: grub.cfg: replaced-url
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• 4006[22:21:37] <Tr4sK> jelly: crypttab replaced-url
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• 4012[22:24:35] <hellyeah> virtual box wants that package linux-headers-amd64 linux-headers-4.13.0-1-amd64
• 4013[22:24:37] <Tr4sK> when I’m doing `update-initramfs -k all -u` I have this warning: cryptsetup: WARNING: invalid line in /etc/crypttab for sd*_crypt
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• 4015[22:24:49] <hellyeah> but there is no such package in jessie or buster
• 4016[22:24:53] <hellyeah> what can i do?
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• 4018[22:25:51] <jelly> hellyeah: reboot into an up-to-date kernel. Also why are you mixing jessie and buster?
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• 4021[22:26:35] <jelly> Tr4sK: where are those key files stored btw?
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• 4023[22:27:06] <Stefan_____> All people, they are helping me at the fight with the debian termin to install a simple program. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You parents can feel proud for you :D Good night and well dreams :)
• 4024[22:27:18] <donald> somiaj thank you
• 4025[22:27:39] <hellyeah> jelly, virtual box wants that header
• 4026[22:27:58] <jelly> hellyeah: no, virtualbox wants headers for the currently booted kernel.
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• 4031[22:28:40] <jelly> hellyeah: and you're booted into that 4.13.0-1-amd64 right now, that's a rather old buster (or sid) kernel
• 4032[22:28:46] <jelly> sigh
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• 4040[22:32:09] <hipster> Tr4sk: what does it show when you try to use cryptsetup?
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• 4052[22:34:44] <Tr4sK> hipster: when in the initramfs shell, I cannot find the binary
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• 4056[22:37:06] <hipster> Tr4sk: did you update initramfs?
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• 4060[22:37:37] <Tr4sK> The error is mdadm: No arrays found in config file or automatically
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• 4062[22:38:22] <Tr4sK> Warninng: Failed to connect to lvmetad. Falling back to device scanning. Volume group "debian" not found Cannot process volume group debian
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• 4064[22:38:50] <jelly> you got md, then luks, then LVM, right?
• 4065[22:39:23] <jelly> it sounds as if not even the md array is assembled
• 4066[22:39:41] <Tr4sK> MD is not used in my setup
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• 4068[22:39:50] <Tr4sK> Luks, then LVM
• 4069[22:39:57] <jelly> why do you have it installed and present in initramfs, then
• 4070[22:40:13] <jelly> purge mdadm package
• 4071[22:40:39] <jelly> (after fixing the real issue; this is just noise)
• 4072[22:40:59] <Tr4sK> (initramfs) cat conf/modules: encrypt, cryptsetup, aes_generic, luks, ext4, lvm, linear, multipath, raid0, raid1, raid456, raid 5, raid6, raid10
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• 4074[22:41:27] <Tr4sK> , sha256_generic
• 4075[22:41:35] <jelly> and multipath?
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• 4079[22:42:18] <Tr4sK> no idea, I guess it come with MODULES=most (in /conf/initramfs.conf)
• 4080[22:42:31] <jelly> Tr4sK: do you have multipath-tools installed at all?
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• 4082[22:43:05] <jelly> if you do and you don't need them, purge those (and multipath-tools-boot) as well
• 4083[22:43:12] <Tr4sK> I can check it once rebooting into rescue mode
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• 4086[22:44:27] <Tr4sK> There is no cryptsetup binary in /bin && /sbin
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• 4088[22:44:51] <jelly> I don't use separate key files, but having no absolute paths for them in crypttab seems... wrong
• 4089[22:45:24] <jelly> Tr4sK: and you did not say whether you had any older kernel+initramfs, or whether it worked
• 4090[22:45:32] <Tr4sK> yep, it can be an issue, but now, it doesn’t even try to use them
• 4091[22:45:44] <Tr4sK> I try
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• 4104[22:49:29] <Tr4sK> jelly: Other kernel have the same issue.
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• 4112[22:55:25] <jelly> Tr4sK: well, you'll have to fix crypttab syntax, and then try to rebuild initramfs.
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• 4126[23:03:16] <Tr4sK> jelly: I removed mdadm. Now the error is fixed
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• 4128[23:03:36] <Tr4sK> But, still the same issue, cryptsetup is not here
• 4129[23:05:25] <Tr4sK> I also fixed crypttab syntax
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• 4133[23:06:35] <hipster> Tr4sk: ensure CRYPTSETUP=y in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf before rebuilding initramfs too
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• 4135[23:07:01] <jelly> that ought to be enabled automagically
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• 4138[23:07:33] <Tr4sK> hipster: I thought it was only in /etc/default/grub
• 4139[23:08:24] <hipster> it *should* be enaled by default
• 4140[23:08:28] * jelly has no idea if that's right syntax for initramfs.conf
• 4141[23:09:30] <hipster> if systemd didn't find a reason to change ittoo
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• 4143[23:10:14] <jelly> /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook says it probably is
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• 4146[23:10:59] <jelly> Tr4sK: are all the files of initramfs-tools-core package present? Maybe reinstall it with
• 4147[23:11:02] <jelly> !confdef
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• 4149[23:11:08] <jelly> !confnew
• 4150[23:11:08] <dpkg> [confnew] dpkg --force-confnew will force dpkg to overwrite any changes you have made to conffiles. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confnew" reinstall <packagename>. See also <confmiss>.
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• 4152[23:12:01] <hipster> wow these chat commands are full featured
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• 4168[23:22:30] <Tr4sK> jelly: just tried with CRYPTSETUP=Y, update-initramfs then lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-*|grep cryptsetup
• 4169[23:22:40] <Tr4sK> Nothing new…
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• 4171[23:23:37] <hipster> the files look right... you got me...
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• 4174[23:23:55] <donald> Tr4sK I did not read. how can I help you?
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• 4177[23:25:00] <Tr4sK> donald: I’m missing cryptsetup in my initramfs
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• 4186[23:25:54] <donald> I can not help sorry
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• 4195[23:27:32] <Tr4sK> My setup is 3 HDD into one LVM, /boot is encrypted as /.
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• 4199[23:28:56] <jelly> if /boot is encrypted as well, does grub manage to decrypt it and load the right initrd?
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• 4202[23:29:18] <jelly> clearly yes if you get stuck in initramfs shell
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• 4205[23:30:33] <Tr4sK> jelly: yes, that part is good. I had issue with it while playing with LVM mirroring
• 4206[23:30:50] <Tr4sK> But now, last step, cryptfs…
• 4207[23:30:56] <Tr4sK> cryptsetup
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• 4209[23:31:41] <Tr4sK> can you tell me if you have anything with lsinitramfs /boot/initrd.img-*|grep cryptsetup
• 4210[23:31:45] <jelly> Tr4sK: I guess you can add some -v to update-initramfs invocation, and see what happens or fails to happen
• 4211[23:31:51] <jelly> yes.
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• 4213[23:32:51] <jelly> Tr4sK: eg. replaced-url
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• 4215[23:33:40] <Tr4sK> good, I’m missing this /sbin/cryptsetup
• 4216[23:33:57] <hipster> that makes alot of sense
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• 4218[23:35:18] <Tr4sK> can you show me the content of /etc/initramfs-tools/hooks/
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• 4223[23:37:44] <jelly> Tr4sK: that dir is empty
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• 4227[23:38:14] <jelly> (well, it's empty _now_ that I've purged leftover reiserfsprogs ;-)
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• 4230[23:40:05] <hipster> good grief
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• 4239[23:41:45] <hipster> something makes me think jelly is not a mere mortal
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• 4261[23:49:40] <jelly> I'm just a poor boy tho' my story's seldom told
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• 4267[23:53:13] <raynold> Ahh it's a wonderful day
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• 4274[23:56:44] <Unzkilled> CONN
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