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0 [00:00:02] <calducciano> using 0.83 libcdio but it seems to balk on simple kernel calls
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2 [00:00:23] <calducciano> could just use ioctl directly but there is a lot of R&D involved in that
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8 [00:01:48] <andrestorti> what's the best way to sync a folder real time in the server with my windows 10 laptop?
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11 [00:02:55] <calducciano> andrestorti: samba
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13 [00:03:41] <somiaj> winscp might be able to do it and not require confiuring samba
14 [00:03:44] <calducciano> andrestoriti: unless you mean something different
15 [00:03:56] <calducciano> that's true too
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18 [00:04:15] <calducciano> the problem with winscp is that you need a client
19 [00:04:28] <somiaj> winscp is the client? YOu mean an ssh server?
20 [00:04:28] <calducciano> but the question wasn't entirely clear
21 [00:04:35] <Sveta> winscp is the client
22 [00:04:54] <calducciano> sure but if you have a different program you are running, it can't call winscp
23 [00:05:00] <calducciano> that' what I mean by client
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25 [00:05:20] <calducciano> which is why I asked to clarify the question
26 [00:05:25] <calducciano> because it may require a mapping
27 [00:05:31] <calducciano> vs ssh access
28 [00:06:31] <calducciano> of course, they way I do it is write a server and client that communicate over TCP
29 [00:06:33] <calducciano> heh
30 [00:06:36] <calducciano> so you don't need those
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33 [00:07:43] <andrestorti> somiaj: I mean a way to visualize and write on the server by someway not using samba
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36 [00:07:53] <somiaj> andrestorti: why I suggested winscp
37 [00:08:09] <andrestorti> will take a look thanks
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41 [00:08:38] <andrestorti> are there more ways? to look at too
42 [00:08:38] <somiaj> it just uses an ssh server so it is secure, and gives you a window inside of windows you can drag/drop files from the sever to the local machine
43 [00:09:01] <andrestorti> sounds nice
44 [00:09:07] <calducciano> andrestorti: how are you trying to access ?
45 [00:09:45] <calducciano> andrestorti: come provi ad accedere ai tuoi file?
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57 [00:16:39] <KingParrot> Chunkz if you successfuly install any parrot version after 2.1 let me know.
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68 [00:25:20] <daemon> hey all how do I mark an interface as 'up/active'
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71 [00:27:23] <petemc> ip link set ethN up
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75 [00:28:23] <daemon> ah cool ta
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108 [00:41:26] <mnuhmnuh> Mathisen: i have wifi iface her (hware) but i don't use it, not configged for availability (i use eth0 ethernet).
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111 [00:41:45] <calducciano> ls
112 [00:41:48] <calducciano> ls pal
113 [00:42:00] <calducciano> ls pal
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116 [00:42:22] <mnuhmnuh> oops, sorry, was looking at way old screen.
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118 [00:42:51] <calducciano> ls pal
119 [00:42:55] <calducciano> clear
120 [00:42:57] <Mathisen> mnuhmnuh, :)
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122 [00:43:11] <calducciano> meh
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124 [00:43:22] <mnuhmnuh> indeed.
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126 [00:45:55] <Mathisen> mnuhmnuh, so anyway do you have any issues or what was that ?
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129 [00:46:11] <Gerowen> Anybody know why I would only be getting audio from on-board audio, but not over the HDMI device? AMD Radeon RX 560, Debian 9 fresh install, amdgpu and firmware-linux-nonfree installed, accelerated graphics working. The HDMI audio device shows up in pavucontrol and the Gnome sound manager and can even be selected, and the little meter will bounce showing audio "should" be going through it, but nothing actually comes out of the television. On board
130 [00:46:12] <Gerowen> 3.5mm jacks work fine.
131 [00:46:58] <Mathisen> Gerowen, can be as simple as the hdmi cable, but i guess you have used it before and have had sound ?
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133 [00:47:44] <Gerowen> Yes, system was running Windows 10 and it worked fine, but my wife decided she wanted Debian, so I did a fresh install. Computer never moved, although I have tried double checking the cable to make sure.
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137 [00:48:44] <mnuhmnuh> Mathisen: crickets ... no was trying to help you, days (?) afte you asked for it. my bad.
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139 [00:49:50] <Mathisen> Gerowen, ok double check alsamixer also
140 [00:50:03] <Mathisen> as pulseaudio is only wrapper for alsa
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144 [00:51:27] <Mazhive> how can i debug why my debian (VM) freezes after a view minutes.
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146 [00:52:27] <Mathisen> Mazhive, logs, first figure out if it is the hypervisor that freezes "your host machine" or the vm it self
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148 [00:53:24] <mnuhmnuh> uh, i have pulseaudio doing everything. works. alsamixer shows one slider (master). waste. of. $whatever?
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150 [00:54:31] <Mazhive> ok let me be clear i am using fedora latest version and kernel using kvm and using a debian latest version as a VM
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153 [00:55:22] <onee-chan> hi
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156 [00:55:37] <mnuhmnuh> !hi
157 [00:55:37] <dpkg> hello, mnuhmnuh
158 [00:55:45] <Mazhive> after 3 times forcing a reset it seems to take longer to freez
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164 [00:57:51] <mnuhmnuh> Mathisen: may be re-fscking partitions post crash of system. may take time to sort out. starbucks!
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168 [00:58:38] <mnuhmnuh> Mazhive: sorry.
169 [00:58:45] <Gerowen> Mathisen: When I select the HDMI device in alsamixer all it shows is 4 S/PDIF output devices that cannot have their volume adjusted.
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184 [01:05:41] <Mathisen> Gerowen, hmm ok try to edit your /etc/pulse/daemon.conf and change default-sample-rate to 48000
185 [01:05:57] <Mathisen> Gerowen, need to restart pulse or reboot after change
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188 [01:08:16] <Gerowen> Mathisen: Should I make any changes to default-sample-format ? Its current value is s161e
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191 [01:08:56] <Mathisen> npoe
192 [01:08:59] <Mathisen> nope
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197 [01:13:01] <Gerowen> Mathisen: No change.
198 [01:13:27] <Mathisen> did you restart pulse ?
199 [01:13:35] <Gerowen> Restarted the whole computer just to make sure.
200 [01:13:54] <Mathisen> sorry im out of ideas then
201 [01:14:18] <Gerowen> No problem. It's just weird that it literally shows the device and says there's audio coming through it, but nothing actually comes out of the TV, :P
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203 [01:14:43] <Gerowen> I'll be picking up a surround sound system for the living room in a week or two anyway when I get paid, but I would like the HDMI audio to actually work in the mean time.
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218 [01:20:28] <JessicaD> hi When I type uname -a I see two different kernel version (4.14.0-3 and 4.14.12-2? is that normal?
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220 [01:20:30] <JessicaD> Linux debian 4.14.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.14.12-2 (2018-01-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux
221 [01:20:43] <JessicaD> which kernel is loaded?
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226 [01:21:40] <Gerowen> Mathisen: Hmm, tried a bluetooth headset too; headset shows up as an audio device after it is paired, but no audio through it either, so maybe it isn't the HDMI specifically. Only the on-board audio seems to function. Will do some more searching.
227 [01:21:51] <mnuhmnuh> Mathisen: tx, will test/look into, ... [/etc/pulse/daemon.conf]
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232 [01:25:11] <Mathisen> Gerowen, oki, i cant really look on my configs as i am on archlinux, il do recommend arch btw debian is great but more of a "server os" in my mind.
233 [01:25:15] <Mathisen> good luck anyway
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238 [01:26:31] <mnuhmnuh> Mathisen: is zenwalk still working?
239 [01:26:48] <mnuhmnuh> existing credibly?
240 [01:27:10] <Mathisen> no idea
241 [01:27:24] <mnuhmnuh> liked when it did.
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272 [01:49:32] <chuckx> JessicaD: you're looking at the package version vs the kernel version, respectively
273 [01:50:02] <chuckx> 4.14.12-2 is probably the one you're looking for, as it matches the versions listed @ replaced-url
274 [01:50:18] <chuckx> for reference: replaced-url
275 [01:51:08] <zerocool> anyone here used virt-p2v?
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277 [01:52:19] <JessicaD> chuckx: thanks! but often when someone help you, he/she ask to type uname -a, which is useless if the "real" kernel version is uname -v no?
278 [01:52:31] <JessicaD> uname -a /uname -r*
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293 [01:56:39] <Al_lA> hiya. has anybody had i3-gaps with a compositor running? i have added i3-gaps to a KDE-only system and compton won't run as there's another compositor there already
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307 [02:00:10] <DarkStar1> Hi everyone. I followed these instructions to dist-upgrade Jessie to Stretch
308 [02:00:21] <DarkStar1> replaced-url
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310 [02:01:25] <DarkStar1> Though it went problem free it would seem that wasn't the case hours later. Attempting to build something on the sytem
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315 [02:02:07] <DarkStar1> Though it went problem free it would seem that wasn't the case hours later. Attempting to build something on the system resulted in library issues
316 [02:02:34] <DarkStar1> Just wondering if someone can take a look at that and see if there was a crucial step missing?
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327 [02:08:26] <Al_lA> nevermind my problem, i've somehow solved it after struggling for hours last night.
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329 [02:08:37] <Guest53808> !jessie->stretch
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347 [02:16:29] <mnuhmnuh> !sup
348 [02:16:30] <dpkg> Sup is a console mail user agent written in Ruby, intended for people with a lot of email. Inspired by <mutt> and <Gmail>. Packaged for Debian as sup-mail. replaced-url
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351 [02:17:26] * mnuhmnuh wow. had no idea that'd happen.
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375 [02:33:14] <mnuhmnuh> .weather
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459 [03:42:35] <leoni> Why can't I set the correct display size values for my screen? I'm currently using xrandr for purposes of fixing that but I wish for it to be automated, keep in mind that when I first installed Debian I couldn't even use xrandr until I installed some firmare, sorry my knowledge is currently limited, I also have got some error logs when booting probably related to my video card, any advice?
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509 [04:13:55] <somiaj> leoni: what display issues? Is it that you want to set it to a different resolution than is detected, or is it also that the resolution you want is not one of the options in xrandr?
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542 [04:35:23] <leoni> somiaj: the screen itself is not detected, in short terms I want to solve the current issues Debian seems to have with my video card, which end up showing error logs at boot and the screen seems the be affected by these issues
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544 [04:36:43] <somiaj> are you able to make the screen become detected? What video card? What errors and issues?
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551 [04:39:04] <leoni> somiaj: When I go to Displays, the display is not detected, setting a wrong size for my screen, which ends up making everything bigger, I am able to fix this temporarily each time I boot with xrandr, however I'd like something that does this for me each time I boot up.
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555 [04:39:59] <somiaj> I still don't quite grasp what is going on, but you should be able to include stuff in your xorg.conf file to change what xorg defaults to giving it the options you would xrandr
556 [04:40:08] <leoni> somiaj: However I believe the issue is not my monitor, but the video card that I use, which is AMD R7
557 [04:40:09] <somiaj> you could also run an autostart script that runs that xrandr command when you first login
558 [04:40:25] <leoni> could you guide me through that last one?
559 [04:40:53] <somiaj> that depends on what desktop you use. Though most just look up how to write an autostart .desktop file
560 [04:40:53] <leoni> if I just knew where the logs at boot are, I'd show you
561 [04:41:12] <awal1> leoni, people wanna know which error messages you get during boot and when in X
562 [04:41:46] <leoni> hold on please I'm gonna try to look for them
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565 [04:42:06] <awal1> as somiaj says, you can run automaticslly your xrandr commands via an autostart file or a script , but what about your boot? what error exactly
566 [04:42:30] <leoni> im looking it up
567 [04:43:03] <awal1> dmesg, "systemctl --failed", journal ...
568 [04:43:33] <leoni> thank you, I did use dmesg but I have no knowledge about any flags related to it
569 [04:43:51] <awal1> .xsession-errors, xorg log filres in ~/.llocal/share
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571 [04:44:11] <awal1> .local
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573 [04:44:36] <t0no6a> leoni : and what is the xrandr command you use ?
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575 [04:45:00] <awal1> me dislike dmesg needing root power
576 [04:45:05] <wigums> xrandr --use --spit
577 [04:45:14] <wigums> oops
578 [04:45:19] <wigums> xrandr --use-spit
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580 [04:45:52] <wigums> why would you want reg users to access dmesg?
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582 [04:46:38] <leoni> replaced-url
583 [04:46:41] <leoni> thanks for your patience
584 [04:46:58] <awal1> what is really wrong about that? it have always been, wigums
585 [04:47:12] <wigums> huh?
586 [04:47:32] <leoni> t0no6a: I use cvt <my screen resolution>, then --newmode and -addmode, then --output
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588 [04:48:48] <leoni> I kind of looked up these logs I get, and it seems that some people just ignore them, basically just making them not pop up.
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590 [04:49:04] <awal1> wingums, I mean I don't really see the point of dmesg needing root
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592 [04:49:34] <awal1> don't really get the poit of that change
593 [04:50:01] <awal1> almost when having a single user
594 [04:50:34] <themill> replaced-url
595 [04:50:35] <wigums> if youre single user youre root anyway so irrelevant
596 [04:50:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
597 [04:51:05] <awal1> right
598 [04:51:06] <themill> (and you can always sysctl kernel.dmesg_restrict=0)
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600 [04:51:20] <awal1> hm
601 [04:51:57] <wigums> dmesg gives some very valuable info. info reg users simply dont need to know
602 [04:52:14] <themill> replaced-url
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604 [04:54:12] <leoni> somiaj, where you able to check the logs?
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609 [04:59:03] <awal1> leoni,silence in debian channels usually means I don't know, I have no clue, I am so busy and have no time for you, I still looking trying to debug...
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611 [04:59:11] <awal1> but is almost I have no clue
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615 [05:01:41] <leoni> awal1 no problem, i'll just grab a rope and hang myself
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617 [05:02:31] <awal1> not really a good idea :P
618 [05:03:41] <leoni> awal1 i'll eventually try to fix the stuff related to the logs, but since nothing's broken, then it doesnt need fixin'
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623 [05:04:55] <awal1> a few decades ago, computing, internet doesn't exist and people was living happily...
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626 [05:05:07] <awal1> there may be a linux channel around here
627 [05:05:20] <awal1> I don't think your issue is debian specific
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630 [05:06:22] <leoni> awal1 "living happily" wow
631 [05:06:28] <fasle> anybody knows how I can reduce the verbosity of PackageKit logging? It spams my journalctl -f with unimportant success messages
632 [05:06:59] <awal1> leoni, at least no bills :P
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639 [05:10:21] <awal1> fasle, check pkcon/pkmon manuals and replaced-url
640 [05:10:39] <fasle> thanks
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643 [05:11:45] <freetlas> Hey guys. I'm trying to install Debian on my laptop and it's giving me a "error: invalid magic number alloc magic is broken at XXXX. Aborted. Press any key to exit"
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645 [05:12:23] <annadane> freetlas, how'd you copy the debian image
646 [05:12:53] <freetlas> Unetbootin on my Linux Mint laptop
647 [05:12:56] <freetlas> annadane: Why?
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650 [05:13:43] <somiaj> !unetbootin
651 [05:13:43] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
652 [05:13:55] <annadane> ^ you should use win32diskimager if on windows
653 [05:14:00] <somiaj> freetlas: just use cp from a linux system, read the install guide for more info
654 [05:14:02] <annadane> ah, mint
655 [05:14:04] <annadane> yeah, cp
656 [05:14:28] <annadane> it's late, i'm tired, my reading comprehension is below a 5 year old's
657 [05:14:37] <freetlas> It's okay
658 [05:14:40] <freetlas> cp?
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660 [05:15:32] <annadane> replaced-url
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662 [05:16:21] <freetlas> I'm trying already
663 [05:16:22] <freetlas> thanks
664 [05:16:24] <annadane> as root cp path/to/debian.iso /dev/sdX (find out the name of your device using lsblk, but do use cp only when it's unmounted), and then "sync"
665 [05:17:36] <freetlas> cp myiso.iso /dev/sdX && sync. I hope it works
666 [05:18:10] <annadane> and in future stay far away from rufus and unetbootin
667 [05:20:05] <freetlas> annadane: it doesn't even recognize now
668 [05:20:35] <annadane> that's odd.
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672 [05:22:17] <annadane> freetlas, do make sure you used something like /dev/sdb and not /dev/sdb1
673 [05:22:43] <freetlas> I used /dev/sdb
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677 [05:24:24] <normie> how can I change my user account to have root or (sudo) privileges?
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679 [05:25:28] <fasle> add user to sudo group
680 [05:25:38] <normie> from the gui?
681 [05:25:45] <normie> or term?
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684 [05:26:35] <fasle> term: adduser foo sudo
685 [05:26:57] <fasle> need su root before depending on your config
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688 [05:27:05] <fasle> read replaced-url
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691 [05:28:10] <normie> thanks
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693 [05:28:32] <freetlas_> Did anybody say anything? I had to restart my computer
694 [05:28:58] <annadane> no one said anything regarding your issue
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696 [05:29:17] <freetlas_> thanks
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706 [05:38:44] <mnuhmnuh> freetlas_: nope, said nothing, not a pixel or nuthin ... # sigh. when are you mortals going to begin to understand systems?!? try harder!
707 [05:39:20] <annadane> well, i feel there must be a solution to "i copied it apparently correctly but it doesn't recognize it"
708 [05:39:24] <annadane> i just can't think of what ti is
709 [05:39:26] <annadane> it*
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712 [05:40:12] <mnuhmnuh> dyslexia's sublime.
713 [05:40:21] <freetlas_> mnuhmnuh: when you get outta your cave and start being kind with people want to use your systems :)
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717 [05:41:45] <mnuhmnuh> freetlas_: always hated sales, only wanted to geek out, all i was good at.
718 [05:41:53] <annadane> it's potentially a corrupt image, did you try verifying the checksums
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721 [05:42:24] <mulek> is it possible to edit the permissions of an user to make him only look at this home files?
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724 [05:42:41] <freetlas_> mulek: yes
725 [05:43:02] <mulek> freetlas_: how?
726 [05:43:11] <freetlas_> mnuhmnuh: cool. Keep being a .. dic.. then :)
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728 [05:43:16] <freetlas_> annadane: Yeah, I did
729 [05:43:50] <annadane> mnuhmnuh, there's a time for off topic banter and this isn't it
730 [05:44:09] <annadane> (i am also guilty of doing this though)
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732 [05:45:04] <r3m> ,v znc
733 [05:45:05] <judd> Package: znc on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.206-2; jessie: 1.4-2; jessie-backports: 1.6.5-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.6.5-1; buster: 1.6.5-2+b2; sid: 1.6.5-2+b2
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735 [05:47:23] <freetlas_> mnuhmnuh: Keep doing what you were doing, mate. Tell my friends don't ever try Debian and talk to my sysadmin employee to not use Debian anymore. Don't want to deal with a community with people like you.
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737 [05:47:29] <freetlas_> Great job, "geek"!!
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745 [05:53:32] <mnuhmnuh> what did i say?!? i like the word geek! no insult intended, sheesh! damn! i hate what you kids are doing with ascii these days!
746 [05:54:16] <mnuhmnuh> I'M A GEEK!
747 [05:54:33] <mulek> freetlas_: can you help with that?
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766 [06:07:10] <awal1> I don't understand why moc crashes when volume level is above 100
767 [06:07:26] <annadane> on what, stable? O_o
768 [06:07:49] <annadane> why do i never get the weird bugs other people report
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771 [06:08:36] <awal1> I know moc doesn't usepulseaudio but I don't get it (moc«»alsa«»volume 100+= crash)
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773 [06:09:22] <awal1> annadane, branch isn't relevant here; moc crashes when volume is 100+
774 [06:09:41] <awal1> no matters which branch/ gnu-linux OS
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776 [06:09:48] <annadane> weird
777 [06:10:37] <awal1> not sure if a bug or just how moc is built
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779 [06:10:48] <annadane> ,v moc
780 [06:10:49] <judd> Package: moc on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.5.0~alpha4+svn20120224-1; jessie: 1:2.5.0-1; stretch: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2935-1; buster: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2949-2; sid: 1:2.6.0~svn-r2949-2; jessie-multimedia: 2:2.5.0-dmo2; buster-multimedia: 2:2.5.2-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 2:2.5.2-dmo1; stretch-multimedia: 2:2.5.2-dmo1
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785 [06:13:26] <awal1> if volume is 100 +, one usually get "mocp" ---» "Running the server... Trying JACK... Trying ALSA... mocp: alsa.c:319: alsa_read_mixer_raw: Assertion `RANGE(0, vol, 100)' failed. FATAL_ERROR: Server exited!"
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787 [06:14:05] <awal1> that, even if moc is stopped, not playing
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789 [06:15:31] <awal1> I mean, I stop moc and i play some multimedia file with mpv and put volume to more then 100, moc (mocp) crashes
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791 [06:16:07] <awal1> it may be more alsa related than moc
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794 [06:19:11] <mulek> how can I edit the permissions of an user to make him only look at his home files?
795 [06:20:11] <somiaj> mulek: you can't fully, there are ways to hide users in chroots (but a user who gets root access can break out of a chroot)
796 [06:21:34] <mulek> somiaj: yes, but I'm talking about a non root access...
797 [06:21:48] <mulek> I want the user only to change and see his home files
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801 [06:24:12] <somiaj> mulek: there are reasons why you don't want to lock files away from 'everyone' to see, a chroot could work, are these users only connecting via ssh or other means?
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803 [06:24:53] <mulek> somiaj: only ssh
804 [06:24:55] <somiaj> by default a user can only change/edit/write to his own files, but the system usually defaults to everytying being visable except the information that is deemed to sensitve for users.
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806 [06:25:25] <somiaj> mulek: I think there is a way to set up ssh to put users into their own isolated chroots. Though don't think of this as a security layer since chroots are easy to break out of if the user gets root access
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811 [06:27:19] <mulek> somiaj: the main problem is becuse this user can download and read some content of the server... an it is confidential
812 [06:27:23] <mulek> because
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815 [06:28:09] <somiaj> mulek: usually one restricts the information they want from users. This way you don't have to create a chroot enviroment for each user and duplicate a lot of isntalled stuff
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820 [06:29:36] <somiaj> mulek: can you describe this confidential info? Such as is it all located ina single place on your server, or what info you want to restirct access to?
821 [06:30:12] <mulek> somiaj: it is located at a single place of the server
822 [06:30:38] <somiaj> just restrict access to that, making it so only a certain group of users (750) or something like that can see the top level directory is enough.
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824 [06:31:18] <somiaj> also recall that web-servers and other software on your system is run as their own user, and you may want to ensure software can still access it if needed.
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827 [06:32:39] <awal1> replaced-url
828 [06:32:53] <awal1> not sure if ^ helpful
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830 [06:34:05] <mulek> somiaj: and how can I ensure he doesn't belongs of any group who can see this content? sorry about my ignorance, this is my first server
831 [06:34:14] <somiaj> that is just the chroot method, which can work, but you need to also install all software you want ouser to use in the enviroment.
832 [06:34:37] <somiaj> mulek: the list of groups and what users are in them is /etc/group
833 [06:34:50] <somiaj> mulek: as the admin you can control who is in what group.
834 [06:35:07] <mulek> by default he doesn't belong to that groups?
835 [06:35:18] <somiaj> if a user can exploit your system and become a user or group you did not allow, they can mostlikey then become root and break out of any chroot, so it doesn't add that much security.
836 [06:35:28] <somiaj> correct, new users are only added to their own group by default
837 [06:35:45] <somiaj> you have to manually add users to groups either when you create the account, or aftewards.
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839 [06:36:00] <somiaj> (note if using some control pannel, this may be different as they control pannel may do things as well)
840 [06:36:01] <mulek> somiaj: thank you veeery much
841 [06:36:23] <mulek> it was extremely helpful
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844 [06:39:52] <mulek> somiaj: I did chmod 750 but didn't solve the problem... the user can still see the confidential files
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846 [06:40:33] <soyeomul> when sending bug report, what is "user" as pseudo-header? if i set "user debian-l10n-korean@lists.debian.org", may i expect that the report to deliver to debian-l10n-korean@lists.debian.org?
847 [06:40:49] <somiaj> mulek: what did you chmod 750? can you share the permisions of the directory, ls -l /var/foo, that you did the chmod on?
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849 [06:42:24] <mulek> somiaj: Oh I saw the problem... it was my mistake here... sorry
850 [06:42:49] <somiaj> soyeomul: replaced-url
851 [06:43:22] <soyeomul> somiaj: yes but i failed to understand
852 [06:43:41] <somiaj> soyeomul: I read it as it sets the user for the usertag commands, but doesn't set the user that set the bug.
853 [06:44:31] <somiaj> soyeomul: I would see if anyone in #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net can give you a better answer. I don't know the details beyond what is printed there.
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855 [06:45:07] <somiaj> but looks like it just sets the user for usertags, wonder if this is useful for tracking info about bugs.
856 [06:45:26] <soyeomul> somiaj: thanks for good advice
857 [06:45:26] <nku> does anybody here run gitlab? the package in stretch doesn't seem to have documentation available, and upstream doesn't seem to serve old doc versions..
858 [06:46:03] <nku> and the upstream distribution is some curl | sudo bash install shitshow that bundles gitlab, postgres, redis, nginx binaries into one huge deb..
859 [06:46:22] <somiaj> nku: just checking you checked /usr/share/doc/gitlab?
860 [06:46:41] <nku> somiaj: yeah, there is a short readme.debian, but no where near enough
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865 [06:47:23] <nku> i would just deploy the thing myself, but would need to learn about ror first..
866 [06:47:24] <somiaj> nku: I'm not seeing anything either from my quick search.
867 [06:49:19] * nku shudders at the thought that their commercial distribution is the same kind of fat package..
868 [06:49:48] <somiaj> I ended up using gitbucket (a java application) as I found the gitlab install a mess as well and didn't want to figure out how to nicely install it as an isolated server on my system.
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870 [06:49:54] <somiaj> (though this was a non debian server)
871 [06:50:15] <nku> somiaj: does gitbucket handle code reviews?
872 [06:50:40] <somiaj> I think so, my use was very simple, mostly a central place to store .tex files, so I turned off most the features.
873 [06:50:51] <nku> i'll have a look
874 [06:51:21] <somiaj> I went with it because it was simple, and I could just isolate the whole code and process as its own user running java.
875 [06:51:45] <somiaj> though it probably isn't as efficent for larger projects. It also uses its own file based database, but you can connect it to mariadb or another database.
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879 [06:53:55] <nvz> whats the old simple command-line for changing resolution in X? xrandr?
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881 [06:54:19] <somiaj> nku: xrandr is the new RandR capalbe tool
882 [06:54:31] <somiaj> you might be thinking of xvidtune, but you should be using xrandr these days.
883 [06:54:43] <somiaj> xvidtune wasn't cli, nevermind..
884 [06:54:45] <nku> xrandr is new?
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886 [06:54:54] <somiaj> in the evoluation of X, yes
887 [06:55:05] <somiaj> though its been around for quite some time.
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889 [06:55:22] <nku> when i was young we just edited our config files, and we liked it
890 [06:55:24] <somiaj> Xinemera was the previous name of the extensions for multiple monitor support, RandR is that and more.
891 [06:55:24] <nvz> I just have a machine that normally runs MATE at 1600x1200 and occasionally I'd like to use 800x600 for something but it screws my panel all up cause there isnt enough space for the applets.. so I'd like to make a minimal session that just runs a basic WM without the panel at that res
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894 [06:55:38] <nvz> nku: heh, yeah.. the good ol days
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896 [06:56:17] <nvz> I'm just not sure how to do this with all this new stuff :P
897 [06:56:59] <nvz> ideally I'd like to just make a .xsession that starts a wm, firefox, and a command to change resolution to 800x600
898 [06:57:21] <nvz> so I can logout and choose "default" in lightdm and run that session instead of mate
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900 [06:58:38] <mulek> somiaj: and what should I read to learn how to make the ssh create a chroot for an specified user?
901 [06:58:47] <somiaj> mulek: debian chroot ssh
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903 [06:58:51] <somiaj> mulek: put that into google.
904 [06:59:25] <somiaj> mulek: And as I said, it doesn't add that much real security, but isolating users does make some design decisions easier.
905 [07:00:14] <mulek> I see... but knowing that my server is not exploitable, can I consider that option secure?
906 [07:01:05] <nku> mulek: not exploitable? you should never assume that
907 [07:01:05] <somiaj> I see it as about the same security for a lot of work.
908 [07:01:14] <nvz> mulek: chroots aren't really reliable as security mechanisms
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910 [07:01:27] <nku> mulek: if you don't trust users, don't give them access
911 [07:01:43] <mulek> hahaha
912 [07:01:51] <mulek> thanks nku
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914 [07:02:42] <mulek> thank you guys
915 [07:02:58] <somiaj> mulek: note you need all software and data you want a user to access inside that chroots. If you give each user their own chroot, you need to have copies of the softeare and data each user wants in each chroot.
916 [07:03:11] * mnuhmnuh logins as username, sudo ..., ssh w crypto keys, sudo logging what happens, ... good for me.
917 [07:03:33] <somiaj> this also means you have more software to ensure is security updated, and so on. So its a lot of work, but it can isolate your users, over all security is about the same.
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919 [07:05:54] <mulek> somiaj: I think it could keep a non-experienced user out of the system
920 [07:06:39] <somiaj> mulek: by default a user should nto be able to edit any files except their own. They system already has user level security built in.
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922 [07:07:25] <mulek> thanks again
923 [07:07:37] <somiaj> and you can restrict the data they can read. Debian is fairly sane on this front by defaults of what users can read.
924 [07:08:29] <mulek> yeah I'm realizing that
925 [07:08:31] <somiaj> but still something to look into, just don't expect it to provide any more over all security.
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929 [07:10:33] <somiaj> Though note by default debian makes 755 default permisions on /home/username directories, changing this to 750 is useful to keep users from snooping other users files. (though if you use a webserver with public_html directories you have to makesure the web-server can read the direcotry)
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932 [07:12:04] <annadane> one of the hardest workers in #debian ^
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967 [07:29:30] <normie> how can I change the volume ownership from root to my user ownership name?
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990 [07:43:03] <darxmurf> good morning folks
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999 [07:47:32] <normie> how can I change the volume ownership from root to my user ownership name?
1000 [07:50:13] <darxmurf> chown
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1055 [08:19:18] <[BFG]> are spectre and meltdown patches added to the security.debian.org repo already?
1056 [08:19:25] <[BFG]> will there be patch for wheezy?
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1064 [08:23:17] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped working, it say "Dummy output" Seems some sound card issue > My initial troubleshooting didn't worked, for driver details see this please : replaced-url
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1069 [08:25:31] <Haohmaru> [BFG] replaced-url
1070 [08:26:16] <Haohmaru> indistylo does it have jack sense?
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1073 [08:27:37] <slax0r> hello, I have a couple of things on jessie installed from backports, should I remove those packages before attempting an upgrade to stretch?
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1075 [08:28:21] <slax0r> I see that docs state only that it could cause some file conflicts, and that I could try --force-depends to resolve this issue, but is it safer to remove the backpots packages and then install again?
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1077 [08:28:39] <slax0r> I guess there is no "dry run" to see if they will cause issues?
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1108 [08:47:19] <Delta706> Can anyone recommend a livecd based on debian which has version 57.0.4 of firefox?
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1111 [08:49:07] <somiaj> make a persistant debian live image, and run it from $HOME
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1115 [08:51:26] <Delta706> I am not sure I want it to be always persistent
1116 [08:52:17] <somiaj> there are different types of persistance. I was just stating /home persistance.
1117 [08:52:35] <somiaj> the system is live, but you run the precomipled firefox binary from another partition on the live system (so you don't have to download it each time)
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1125 [08:54:44] <Delta706> Is there a frozen option? I just want to keep starting from a fixed point
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1127 [08:55:30] <somiaj> what do you mean by frozen option?
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1129 [08:55:51] <Delta706> all files are the same each time you boot
1130 [08:56:14] <Delta706> I tried knoppix which gives that but its firefox is old
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1134 [08:56:48] <somiaj> Delta706: my suggestion is use a debian live image, which is a frozen live system, but have the one thing you want (firefox in this case) avaiable on a seperate partition on the usb
1135 [08:57:06] <somiaj> you could do this with knoppix I think, but only debian is supported here
1136 [08:57:34] <Delta706> I am using a DVD
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1138 [08:58:11] <somiaj> I think there are ways to go about making a new dvd image with additional stuff (such as a newer firefox), but unsure on the details here
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1140 [08:58:54] <Delta706> I wonder if there is a #knoppix
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1142 [08:59:16] <temy> Delta706: there is
1143 [08:59:18] <temy> join it
1144 [08:59:25] <Delta706> ah cool
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1166 [09:07:00] <epigramx> Anyone got a clue why "kernel-package" does not exist in stable but it exists in testing, sid AND old-stable?
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1168 [09:07:52] <epigramx> replaced-url
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1171 [09:09:08] <jelly> epigramx: it's deprecated and buggy. Use upstream's "make deb-pkg" if you just want to build custom kernel packages.
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1173 [09:10:02] <epigramx> I see, that's what I do; it mainly bothered me that kernel package needed also 2GB of drive space to install too.
1174 [09:10:41] <jelly> that doesn't sound right
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1177 [09:11:08] <epigramx> by the way, make deb-pkg fails on a git clone of torvald's tree with a permission error about control dir (not being 755) though I think it works fine with a tar from their front page.
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1179 [09:11:54] <jelly> that sounds easy to fix
1180 [09:12:19] <epigramx> I know though I don't know where to report that, unless someone here is the dev.
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1183 [09:12:55] <epigramx> it can't fix with a chmod though because if you do and make deb-pkg again it recreates it and fails again.
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1185 [09:13:31] <epigramx> *don't know where to report that, mailing list, debian?
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1193 [09:16:31] <epigramx> it has a guy's email on the top of builddeb script..
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1320 [10:36:06] <TomyWork> is there an apt command that's equivalent to "aptitude why"?
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1325 [10:40:26] <dutchfish> TomyWork, there is no real quiv, but what comes close: apt-cache --installed rdepends [foo]
1326 [10:40:26] <Iridos> the man page is supposed to be the authorative document on that
1327 [10:40:50] <dutchfish> equiv*
1328 [10:41:02] <Iridos> hm, true… other than why-not it actually just checks for rdepends
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1331 [10:41:40] <TomyWork> dutchfish well, but it's not installed
1332 [10:41:49] <TomyWork> and it doesnt chain ^^
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1334 [10:42:23] <dutchfish> TomyWork, i dont understand what you mean?
1335 [10:42:37] <Iridos> when it's not installed, there cannot be a reason why it's installed?
1336 [10:42:48] <Iridos> because it isn't. so there can't.
1337 [10:42:58] <TomyWork> your point? :)
1338 [10:43:13] <TomyWork> "aptitude why dirmngr" shows "i gnupg Recommends dirmngr (= 2.1.18-8~deb9u1)"
1339 [10:43:29] <TomyWork> for some reason drmngr was never installed, even though i have gnupg installed
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1341 [10:44:02] <dutchfish> TomyWork, it is in the word recommends
1342 [10:44:12] <TomyWork> yeah, it's just unusual
1343 [10:44:39] <TomyWork> i think wheezy came with dirmngr preinstalled
1344 [10:45:34] <Iridos> but this is stretch?
1345 [10:45:40] <TomyWork> yes
1346 [10:45:49] <dutchfish> !recommends
1347 [10:46:37] <Iridos> well, if they haven't been rotated out, you can always look in the logs what exactly happened
1348 [10:47:00] <dutchfish> TomyWork, if recommended packages get installed automatically can be set as well, i believe there has been changes in the past, to prevent to much clutter being installed automatically. Per default it is of now.
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1351 [10:47:29] <TomyWork> i see
1352 [10:47:34] <Iridos> meh. my oldest dpkg.log only goes back to february 2017
1353 [10:47:52] <Iridos> dutchfish, it is?
1354 [10:48:16] <dutchfish> Iridos, you may correct me if i am wrong....
1355 [10:48:57] <dutchfish> Iridos, because i am not on stable at the moment so i cant check it.
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1357 [10:49:33] <Iridos> at least… the factoid doesn't reflect that…
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1359 [10:49:57] <Iridos> and I haven't heard of that… that's be a big change in behavior
1360 [10:50:00] <Iridos> dpkg, apt recommends
1361 [10:50:00] <dpkg> Packages required in all but unusual cases (that is, "breakable" dependencies) are called "recommended" packages. By not installing these packages, you miss the standard functionality they provide. To disable once, "aptitude -R install packagename" or "apt-get --no-install-recommends install packagename". To disable permanently, echo "APT::Install-Recommends no;" > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/no-recommends. See <why recommends>.
1362 [10:50:47] <Iridos> I am on stable, I could test it if I knew a package
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1364 [10:51:49] <TomyWork> i'd say receiving a key from a keyserver is no unusual case :)
1365 [10:52:02] <TomyWork> apparently that requires dirmngr
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1368 [10:53:06] <Iridos> it's installed on my system, which also comes the way of wheezy -> jessie -> stretch
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1371 [10:53:41] <TomyWork> well it's not part of replaced-url
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1373 [10:54:26] <TomyWork> and it's not part of replaced-url
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1375 [10:54:54] <TomyWork> at least the later was installed with a preseed.cfg i personally looked at
1376 [10:55:39] <TomyWork> replaced-url
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1379 [10:57:58] <TomyWork> d-i pkgsel/include string sudo bzip2 acpid cryptsetup zlib1g-dev wget curl dkms fuse make nfs-common net-tools <-- i assume (hope?) that's just a list of extra packages ^^
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1391 [11:03:48] <Iridos> well, what's your actual question. It's a recommend, so it doesn't *have* to be installed. And it's some custom installation, they can do whatever they want
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1393 [11:04:26] <TomyWork> Iridos the point is, dirmngr is no longer in the standard set
1394 [11:04:56] <TomyWork> once i'm finished with this download (10 more minutes) I'm going to be able to tell if it ever was
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1397 [11:05:16] <Iridos> yeah, that was my next though… who says it ever was
1398 [11:05:37] <TomyWork> but so far it looks like the wheezy installer installed that package by default
1399 [11:05:48] <Iridos> I don't see why it should. you only need it with gnupg and … that's what dependencies are for
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1405 [11:08:17] <dutchfish> TomyWork, form what i know, i was wrong, recommends get instalable per default in Debian/stable. Having said that, while dist-upgrading the rpority numbers come into play, when there ar emore candidates at that time. You can verify that with: apt-cache policy [foo]. If you have pinned packages the situation changes.
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1407 [11:08:43] <Iridos> dutchfish, and they are not in testing?
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1410 [11:09:21] <Iridos> I actually still haven't found a package to test it with
1411 [11:09:56] <dutchfish> Iridos, well, but TomyWork could on his system and report output to the pastebin .,
1412 [11:10:26] <Iridos> I am on stable. I just fail at thinking of a good test-case
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1414 [11:10:56] <Iridos> And I think this is from the time when they were first introduced: replaced-url
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1420 [11:13:09] <Iridos> heh. searching for recommends, I found replaced-url
1421 [11:15:27] <Iridos> hm, they're self contradicting in their argument
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1424 [11:16:51] <dutchfish> TomyWork, the solution however is quiet simple i gues, just install if if needed or remove/purge it if not.
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1427 [11:17:30] <tdn> I am creating a USB flash memory stick encrypted with LUKS. What filesystem is best suited for this? ext4, xfs, anything else? Are there special options I should select for a (slow) USB stick?
1428 [11:17:50] <dutchfish> TomyWork, sometimes package with depends get converted in the next release to recommended too.
1429 [11:18:57] <dutchfish> TomyWork, or recommends get added to certian packages.
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1431 [11:19:43] <TomyWork> we'll soon see. download is done
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1433 [11:20:25] <TomyWork> this is odd
1434 [11:20:39] <TomyWork> same situation on the wheezy box
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1436 [11:21:26] <TomyWork> ah-HAH
1437 [11:21:37] <dutchfish> TomyWork, are you sure what you are doing because stable is stretch.....
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1439 [11:22:00] <dutchfish> !stable
1440 [11:22:00] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.x); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
1441 [11:22:03] <TomyWork> my actual wheezy VMs also lack dirmngr
1442 [11:22:16] <TomyWork> but they havent complained about it
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1444 [11:22:26] <TomyWork> so maybe gnupg now needs dirmngr and didnt use to?
1445 [11:22:30] * TomyWork checks
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1447 [11:23:39] <TomyWork> yep, that's exactly it
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1450 [11:25:33] <Achylles> When my debian (unstable) tries to upgrade "libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18" - this package says that will kinda destroy my system? It has been on hold for some time now...
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1453 [11:26:01] <dutchfish> TomyWork, i dont want to lecture about security .... but think about dis-upgrading/reinstalling with Stable ....
1454 [11:26:08] <Achylles> And I cannot do anything about it...
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1458 [11:26:35] <TomyWork> dutchfish dude, i'm trying to figure out why my scripts to set up the old box dont work with the new box. I AM upgrading right now
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1460 [11:26:54] <dutchfish> TomyWork, ah ok, good luck.
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1465 [11:29:04] <Achylles> I mean (testing) not unstable...
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1473 [11:34:10] <TomyWork> Achylles what do you mean by "says"? do you have logs or do you just hear packages talking in your head? :)
1474 [11:34:45] <Achylles> say is a figurative language...
1475 [11:34:51] <dutchfish> Achylles, replaced-url
1476 [11:34:55] <TomyWork> i know, just making a joke :)
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1478 [11:35:10] <Achylles> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required
1479 [11:35:46] <TomyWork> can you pasteBIN the logs?
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1482 [11:36:06] <TomyWork> not just one line
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1490 [11:37:31] <Achylles> which one?
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1494 [11:38:15] <TomyWork> Achylles make sure it includes the command you issued and all the output that followed
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1497 [11:39:05] <TomyWork> dutchfish btw, wheezy still has LTS until may :)
1498 [11:39:23] <dutchfish> TomyWork, i know, correct.
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1504 [11:42:04] <TomyWork> now i just gotta find out why "apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 47B320EB4C7C375AA9DAE1A01054B7A24BD6EC30" doesn't work on this fresh wheezy box
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1506 [11:42:38] <TomyWork> that should install the puppetlabs key (replaced-url
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1508 [11:42:48] <TomyWork> i guess it's that damn proxy
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1512 [11:43:12] <TomyWork> can someone without a proxy see if it works for them?
1513 [11:44:14] <TomyWork> i think you can remove it with "apt-key del 47B320EB4C7C375AA9DAE1A01054B7A24BD6EC30" afterwards
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1535 [11:50:33] <Achylles> TomyWork, replaced-url
1536 [11:50:55] <Achylles> TomyWork, replaced-url
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1540 [11:52:04] <TomyWork> Achylles looks like the release of those libs hasnt been coordinated :)
1541 [11:52:19] <Achylles> If I try to upgrade, reinstall or remove libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 it messes my system...
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1545 [11:52:54] <Achylles> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 : Depends: libjavascriptcoregtk-4.0-18 (= 2.16.6-1) but 2.18.5-1 is to be installed
1546 [11:52:58] <TomyWork> dutchfish mentioned something, maybe that's involved too
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1549 [11:53:35] <Achylles> Even aptitude cannot solve the situation...
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1551 [11:53:50] <TomyWork> Achylles yeah and if you use install instead, it removes libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37
1552 [11:54:05] <TomyWork> (and everything transitively depending on it)
1553 [11:54:15] <Achylles> What should I do then?
1554 [11:55:02] <Achylles> Is it only my problem or other people have faced the same problem with this package?
1555 [11:55:09] <dutchfish> Achylles, the easiest way is to wait until the transistion has been done. For now to many packages needs work.
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1557 [11:55:56] <dutchfish> transition*
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1559 [11:56:37] <dutchfish> Achylles, you can delve into the auto-icu i gave you a link
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1561 [11:57:17] <dutchfish> Achylles, also look at the bug reports
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1564 [11:59:48] <dutchfish> replaced-url
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1574 [12:04:00] <Achylles> dutchfish, TomyWork thx a lot. I thought that was related only to my system. I will wait for the transition/bug to be repaired.
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1577 [12:05:44] <markzen> how do I set /usr/bin/editor to the vim binary I compiled? with update-alternatives?
1578 [12:06:13] <markzen> tried this: update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/editor vim /usr/local/bin/vim 100
1579 [12:06:31] <markzen> it says: error: alternative link /usr/bin/editor is already managed by editor
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1583 [12:09:43] <dutchfish> markzen, have you looked in the manpage|examples for query update-alternatives?
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1586 [12:10:04] <markzen> read the manpage, yeah
1587 [12:10:30] <markzen> it shows how to choose, not how to install a new alternative
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1592 [12:14:46] <dutchfish> markzen, maybe it is already in the list? update-alternatives --list editor
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1601 [12:17:28] <jhonnyBeGood> ? meltdown
1602 [12:18:08] <markzen> dutchfish: there's only /bin/nano
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1605 [12:18:30] <markzen> I removed all vim packages, since I won't use them
1606 [12:18:49] <jhonnyBeGood> guys , I am running debian jessie 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux , I saw that there is a patch to jessie
1607 [12:18:56] <jhonnyBeGood> how can I install this patch?
1608 [12:19:27] <petn-randall> jhonnyBeGood: Just like every other security update since release: 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'.
1609 [12:20:24] <petn-randall> I'm assuming you're talking about the kernel update that mitigates meltdown, there have been many, many more "patches" since the release of jessie.
1610 [12:20:35] <jhonnyBeGood> yes , that is it
1611 [12:20:56] <jhonnyBeGood> replaced-url
1612 [12:21:33] <dutchfish> markzen, normally, you should handle that in the post-install script of you own package. Assuming you have ocpiled your own vim.
1613 [12:21:44] <dutchfish> compiled*
1614 [12:22:16] <markzen> I compiled my vim from github sources; I didn't make a debian pkg
1615 [12:23:21] <dutchfish> markzen, you can nick that out of the the current debian source package and adapt the rules file. Much more convinient when you later decide to use a newer debian package.
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1617 [12:24:53] <dutchfish> markzen, a crude hack would be, rename you bin and try to bind that to alternatives.
1618 [12:24:55] <coruja> jhonnyBeGood, that page shows which version of every release is the latest vulerable one and which version is fixed
1619 [12:25:37] <coruja> vulnerable
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1621 [12:25:59] <petn-randall> jhonnyBeGood: It says that jessie has a fix, listed at "jessie (security)".
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1623 [12:26:17] <markzen> so the alternative scheme is for package maintainers only, and users can only choose?
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1625 [12:26:41] <jhonnyBeGood> but how can I install thif fiy I cannot find this 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 version on repo
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1627 [12:27:01] <dutchfish> markzen, that way you wont mess up all the dependecies on vim
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1631 [12:28:22] <dutchfish> markzen, no, you can do whatever you like, but, you have to coop with all the dependecies. So, rolling your own debian package is much better.
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1633 [12:29:35] <SirLagz> Debian hasn't changed the keys to access TTYs have they?
1634 [12:30:07] <markzen> making a pkg sounds like a pain
1635 [12:30:34] <dutchfish> markzen, nah, its time consuming for your primer, then it will get much easier.
1636 [12:30:46] <markzen> and I don't know if many other pkgs depend on vim, actually
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1638 [12:31:43] <dutchfish> markzen, well, its up to you. Try renaming it and binding it to the alternatives then....
1639 [12:32:28] <markzen> what do you mean, "binding it to the alternatives"
1640 [12:33:06] <markzen> dropping some symlinks in /etc/alternatives can be enough?
1641 [12:33:15] <dutchfish> markzen, well, update-alternavtives is just a wrapper, in this case editor->vim
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1644 [12:33:47] <markzen> relinking the master link?
1645 [12:33:54] <markzen> yeah, can do that
1646 [12:35:23] <SirLagz> ctrl-alt-f1 should still switch to tty1 right? nothings changed there?
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1650 [12:37:05] <dutchfish> markzen, the whole idea of having alternatives, is that you can have more editors as an example each which its own priority.
1651 [12:37:26] <gpunk> SirLagz gdm took it too
1652 [12:37:36] <jhonnyBeGood> sorry guys but can any one help with this question? I can not see this 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 package on jessie security repo
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1654 [12:38:20] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: but the package in jessie-security is fixed, isn't it?
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1656 [12:38:37] <jhonnyBeGood> yes
1657 [12:38:49] <SirLagz> gpunk: ? so it should still work?
1658 [12:39:10] <jhonnyBeGood> 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 this is the relased but when I do apt-search I can not found it
1659 [12:39:13] <gpunk> well , try it , it works but gives you gdm login
1660 [12:39:17] <SirLagz> bah...trying to enable a tty and it just flashes now
1661 [12:39:25] <SirLagz> gpunk: well I don't run gdm...
1662 [12:39:38] <gpunk> try it :)
1663 [12:40:01] <SirLagz> gpunk: try gdm?
1664 [12:40:10] <gpunk> no, the key combination
1665 [12:40:29] <SirLagz> gpunk: oh...yeah it's doing nothing
1666 [12:40:32] <SirLagz> gpunk: hence why I'm asking lol
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1668 [12:40:53] <SirLagz> I'm used to ctrl-alt-f1 dropping me to a cli with a login prompt
1669 [12:41:15] <gpunk> si it is disabled, a holder for Xdm if you install it
1670 [12:41:37] <gpunk> ctrl-alt-f3 works
1671 [12:41:56] <SirLagz> gpunk: none of the ctrl-alt-fx keys are working for me
1672 [12:42:01] <TomyWork> what was that thing called again.. getty?
1673 [12:42:04] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: from replaced-url
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1675 [12:42:10] <tijeretas__> update && apt-get upgrade to download and apply the pending updates."
1676 [12:42:11] <TomyWork> make sure you have getty installed and running
1677 [12:42:27] <SirLagz> TomyWork: yeah, it's installed and running
1678 [12:42:35] <TomyWork> that's odd
1679 [12:42:42] <TomyWork> and you see what, the debian logo?
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1681 [12:43:13] <SirLagz> TomyWork: I see a blinky flashing screen atm because I've been messing with grub trying to get it to show a tty
1682 [12:43:15] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: also, it's apparently only fixed for 64bit AFAIK. please correct me if I'm wrong
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1684 [12:43:50] <TomyWork> SirLagz disable autostart for your DM maybe? :)
1685 [12:43:58] <SirLagz> TomyWork: the DM isn't loading anyway :P
1686 [12:44:11] <TomyWork> odd
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1688 [12:44:17] <SirLagz> TomyWork: I want to enable the TTY so i can fix it without using this crappy keyboard connected to my alt machine
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1695 [12:45:24] <FightingFalcon> why is debian weird?
1696 [12:45:26] <SirLagz> I thought I'd be able to simply hit ctrl-alt-f1 to drop to a shell and fix it...obviously not
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1698 [12:45:35] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon why are you asking weird questions?
1699 [12:45:56] <FightingFalcon> huh
1700 [12:46:04] <jhonnyBeGood> tijeretas__ I am running jessie deb replaced-url
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1702 [12:47:18] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: it should. and if you have it, there's no reason why the new package shouldn't be available.
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1704 [12:47:33] <FightingFalcon> TomyWork why do you have to use the word weird, only because i used it too?
1705 [12:47:50] <jhonnyBeGood> I dont know why...
1706 [12:47:52] <SirLagz> bah, i'll just fix the DM for now and figure out the tty later
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1708 [12:48:05] <jhonnyBeGood> I have this entry in my source list deb replaced-url
1709 [12:49:30] <TomyWork> SirLagz i'm not using any desktop debians atm
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1712 [12:50:19] <TomyWork> but i'm on a kubuntu 14.04 right now, where all i see in ctrl-alt-f1..6 is the kubuntu logo
1713 [12:50:19] <SirLagz> TomyWork: yeah I know how to fix the DM
1714 [12:50:28] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: if you look at: zless /usr/share/doc/linux-image-`uname -r`/changelog.Debian.gz you can see in the changelog if those things were already updated. keywords to look for should be kpti or kaiser (I think)
1715 [12:50:29] <TomyWork> so if that's similar to your situation, tell me if you figure it out :)
1716 [12:50:33] <SirLagz> TomyWork: I just don't know why ctrl-alt-f1 isn't working anymore =/
1717 [12:50:37] <SirLagz> TomyWork: willdo
1718 [12:50:58] <TomyWork> i think it's been that way since i installed the nvidia driver
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1720 [12:51:47] <FightingFalcon> So
1721 [12:51:54] <gpunk> SirLagz is your system booting ? what is working so far
1722 [12:51:57] <gpunk> ?
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1724 [12:52:13] <SirLagz> gpunk: yeah system boots, but there's no TTY to interact with
1725 [12:52:41] <gpunk> it doesnt get to a login: ?
1726 [12:53:09] <FightingFalcon> So should we use linux when windows is much easier to use?
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1728 [12:53:35] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon why are you asking weird questions?
1729 [12:53:36] <gpunk> FightingFalcon what is that ?
1730 [12:53:48] <jhonnyBeGood> tijeretas_: no... I gep for kaiser and kpi on changelog and none
1731 [12:53:52] <jhonnyBeGood> grep
1732 [12:54:19] <TomyWork> gpunk he's trying to troll. his first question was "why is debian weird"
1733 [12:54:40] <gpunk> pfff FightingFalcon: get lost plz
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1736 [12:55:20] <FightingFalcon> Im not trying to troll. Im trying to learn. you get lost gpunk
1737 [12:55:25] <dracc> Hi! I get local graphical glitches, almost like tearing, when using kernel 4.14, problem seems nonexistent in 4.13. Any ideas if I need to change anything? Using amdgpu driver on R9 290X.
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1739 [12:55:43] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon you use whatever you wanna use. you do you
1740 [12:56:01] <TomyWork> i think it's nice that windows isn't the only thing out there
1741 [12:56:05] <gpunk> FightingFalcon just , dont polute
1742 [12:56:10] <gpunk> the channel
1743 [12:56:26] <TomyWork> and for servers, i think it's nice that linux isn't the only thing out there :)
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1745 [12:56:50] <FightingFalcon> gpunk,you are polluting the channel with your rude behaviors. stop being impolite stop being a garbage ok?
1746 [12:57:20] <gpunk> FightingFalcon dot insult me
1747 [12:57:21] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon dont overreact
1748 [12:58:12] <FightingFalcon> you did insult me first
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1752 [12:58:19] <tijeretas__> jhonnyBeGood: sorry, not sure what that's about. :/
1753 [12:58:28] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon what he's saying is dont make the channel all about you. for instance, dracc has a question that looks like it's important to him, too
1754 [12:58:29] <gpunk> FightingFalcon no, i tald you to get lost , cause u troll
1755 [12:58:52] <jhonnyBeGood> tijeretas_ no problem , thanks ..
1756 [12:59:02] <tijeretas__> tijeretas__: try taking a look at your sources.list and see if anything is off. try disabling backports or other 3rd party resources if you have them
1757 [12:59:16] <TomyWork> dracc "almost like tearing"? where do you see this? desktop? game?
1758 [12:59:36] <FightingFalcon> im not trolling for god's sake.
1759 [12:59:47] <TomyWork> FightingFalcon regardless, stop
1760 [12:59:58] <dracc> TomyWork, It's "everywhere", both desktop, browser, 3D. :/
1761 [13:00:19] <TomyWork> dracc hrm, and this appeared after a kernel update?
1762 [13:00:36] <tijeretas__> dracc: when I use the Option "TearFree" "on" in xorg.conf.d, all tearing disappears. I also have a Radeon card.
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1764 [13:00:46] <TomyWork> dracc maybe the driver's kernel modules didnt get compiled for the new kernel version?
1765 [13:01:03] <dracc> Small rectangles being flipped upsidedown here and there. Yes, started when I upgraded to 4.14.0-2, still there in 4.14.0-3. Is still there when I use custom compiled kernel.
1766 [13:01:54] <dracc> tijeretas__, Thanks, I'll look into it! Haven't seen a need for a xorg.conf until this issue though, would be very happy if it stayed that way. :(
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1769 [13:02:20] <tijeretas__> dracc: I however never had these odd glitches, so my tearing might not have been related
1770 [13:02:24] <TomyWork> dracc if the option tijeretas__ gave you doesn't fix it, maybe you two can compare your list of active kernel modules
1771 [13:02:38] <dracc> TomyWork, Well, lspci -s [VGA Adapter ID] -k says it's using amdgpu kernel driver. :(
1772 [13:02:51] <tijeretas__> TomyWork: I doubt it will fix those artifacts, it's just a Radeon specific option to prevent tearing
1773 [13:03:22] <tijeretas__> dracc: amdgpu might be the problem. revert to radeon driver if that worked better.
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1776 [13:04:28] <dracc> tijeretas__, I guess I'll have to resort to that, even though I like having Vulkan support. :(
1777 [13:05:52] <tijeretas__> dracc: In case you need that tearing fix: Put the code from this pastebin into /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-radeon.conf : replaced-url
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1779 [13:06:29] <dracc> Thanks tijeretas__, I'll bookmark that for future reference! :)
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1785 [13:08:51] <tijeretas__> dracc: other option: purge that custom kernel and use latest kernel + amdgpu from backports
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1788 [13:10:14] <dracc> Oh, wow. I was wrong. Not that surprising. More surprising that 4.14.0-2 works and 4.14.0-3 is the culprit. :(
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1790 [13:10:32] <dracc> (I'm on 4.14.0-2-amd64 right now with no glitches.)
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1794 [13:11:43] <tijeretas__> victory dance!
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1800 [13:16:22] <markzen> .close
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1809 [13:21:07] <TomyWork> dracc and if you go back to -3 now?
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1811 [13:21:19] <TomyWork> (maybe all you needed was a restart)
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1815 [13:24:22] <TomyWork> alright, dutchfish, Iridos i figured out the gpg issue from earlier
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1817 [13:24:43] <TomyWork> /usr/bin/apt-key adv -v --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu:80 --recv-keys 47B320EB4C7C375AA9DAE1A01054B7A24BD6EC30 # this works on a fresh wheezy, but not on a fresh stretch
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1821 [13:25:12] <TomyWork> stretch's apt-key needs a dirmngr for that, wheezy's doesn't
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1823 [13:26:05] <TomyWork> replaced-url
1824 [13:26:14] <TomyWork> oops, ubuntu :D
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1826 [13:26:29] <jelly> yes, gnupg2 pretty much requires dirmngr for key mgmt
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1828 [13:26:56] <TomyWork> jelly do you think it should be installed by default, then?
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1831 [13:27:17] <TomyWork> key management is kind of important :)
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1833 [13:27:30] <jelly> ,recommends gnupg
1834 [13:27:31] <judd> Package gnupg in stretch/amd64 -- recommends: dirmngr (= 2.1.18-8~deb9u1), gnupg-l10n (= 2.1.18-8~deb9u1).
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1837 [13:27:55] <jelly> TomyWork: it should only not be installed if you disabled automatic Recommends
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1839 [13:28:18] <TomyWork> i think it should be installed along with gnupg
1840 [13:28:39] <TomyWork> i mean gnupg is present in a fresh system, why shouldn't dirmngr
1841 [13:28:40] <jelly> it does get installed along with gnupg by default, because Recommends get installed by default
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1844 [13:29:33] <jelly> if you havea fresh stretch with gnupg but not dirmngr, that's worth filing a bug report
1845 [13:29:48] <TomyWork> replaced-url
1846 [13:29:49] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1847 [13:29:56] <dracc> TomyWork, Tried rebooting yesterday, sometimes it worked on -3, most of the time not. :(
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1849 [13:30:03] <dracc> BRB trying rebooting again!
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1853 [13:30:28] <jelly> TomyWork: see if you can bump severity up and ask for a fix in stable-proposed-updates
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1857 [13:31:19] <TomyWork> the first reply is a bit discouraging
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1859 [13:31:53] <jelly> and the bug seems accidentally wrongly closed? That pcre3 message at the bottom does not make sense
1860 [13:32:29] <TomyWork> it was reopened after that
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1865 [13:34:23] <dracc> Glitches are still there on 4.14.0-3 :(
1866 [13:35:02] <jelly> TomyWork: it's not open, and the web pages says it's archived. replaced-url
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1868 [13:36:03] <dracc> replaced-url
1869 [13:36:09] <jelly> TomyWork: but > apt-key is basically deprecated this release cycle, it's not guaranteed to work at all anymore.
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1871 [13:36:37] <jelly> TomyWork: so just put keys in separate files, then
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1892 [13:48:44] <defanor> when a list of alternative dependencies is given, does apt try the alternatives in that order? and are the "provided by" alternatives picked in the order they are listed, given that they all are installed? where can i read about those things?
1893 [13:49:54] <petn-randall> defanor: yes, but it's always better to explicitely list any packages you want to have installed.
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1895 [13:50:04] <jelly> defanor: yes, a | b | c means if not any if (a or b or c) is already installed, apt is going to pick a if available
1896 [13:50:32] <jelly> not any of*
1897 [13:50:48] <defanor> i see, thanks. and if b is installed, it'd pick b, right?
1898 [13:50:52] <jelly> yes
1899 [13:51:05] <jelly> (except there were bugs where it wouldn't)
1900 [13:51:22] <jelly> (but most of those have been fixed before stretch I think)
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1915 [13:58:56] <dracc> TomyWork, I tried reseating the GPU card now, so far so good.
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1918 [13:59:48] <TomyWork> dracc meaning jam it into the slot harder? :)
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1921 [14:00:29] <dracc> TomyWork, More like 'take it out, look at it like the dork I am and putting it back again'. :D
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1930 [14:02:34] <dracc> vulkan-smoketest gives ~800FPS and a warning that radv is not a conformant vulkan implementation. 1st: Is 800FPS 'good' on a 290X? 2nd: Is there any conformant driver available, or do I only need to wait for an update?
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1932 [14:02:51] <TomyWork> jelly right now, i'm relying on the puppetlabs-apt puppet module to create keys for me
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1938 [14:04:26] <TomyWork> but yeah, eww, gpg starts up 2 daemons before getting to work
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1944 [14:05:51] <TomyWork> i think i'll see about a fix at some point :)
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1947 [14:05:55] <TomyWork> this is seriously slow
1948 [14:06:36] <TomyWork> jelly are you aware of a way of receiving the key from a keyserver without a dirmngr?
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1950 [14:07:34] <darxmurf> in vim, %s ended with /g is supposed to be greedy no ?
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1952 [14:07:53] <darxmurf> I have a fat one line text full of URL I have to cleanup and it's only cleaning the first one
1953 [14:07:56] <TomyWork> in sed, g means global
1954 [14:08:01] <darxmurf> hmm
1955 [14:08:02] <jelly> TomyWork: no idea, does gpg --search keyid work?
1956 [14:08:04] <TomyWork> and it's greedy by default
1957 [14:09:16] <darxmurf> it does not like huge one line texts
1958 [14:09:28] <TomyWork> oh interesting, that key i'm testing with is expired :D
1959 [14:09:33] <TomyWork> but yes, it does
1960 [14:09:47] <TomyWork> gpg --keyserver hkp://pgp.mit.edu:80 --search-keys 47B320EB4C7C375AA9DAE1A01054B7A24BD6EC30
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1964 [14:11:32] <darxmurf> I have to run 4 times my replace to complete it
1965 [14:11:33] <darxmurf> weird
1966 [14:12:02] <TomyWork> :q and use sed :)
1967 [14:12:30] <darxmurf> sed is unhappy too with this one line HTML stff
1968 [14:12:33] <darxmurf> stuff
1969 [14:12:44] <TomyWork> s,foo,bar,g
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1971 [14:13:11] <TomyWork> also, html isn't regular :)
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1977 [14:16:52] <darxmurf> sed -E 's,replaced-url
1978 [14:17:00] <darxmurf> what's wrong there ?
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1983 [14:19:37] <darxmurf> but the URL in the text are also full of % ! and other special chars, maybe it's messing up the situation ?
1984 [14:21:14] <darxmurf> sed is cleaning the first URL but not the others :D
1985 [14:21:18] <darxmurf> line too long :D
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1996 [14:24:49] <epigramx> Does the .tar.xz of linux-source already have the Debian patches applied to it?
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2002 [14:28:09] <darxmurf> hmm even perl is messing up and only changing the 1st URL found Oo damn it's fun
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2007 [14:31:59] <Iridos> you could at least provide a line of input and the expected output
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2012 [14:34:29] <TomyWork> epigramx i dont think so
2013 [14:34:46] <TomyWork> epigramx if you mean the one you get with "apt-get source"
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2017 [14:35:26] <darxmurf> Iridos: I think the issue is because it's one line of 18589 characters...
2018 [14:35:42] <darxmurf> of disgusting HTML made by I don't know which editor
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2020 [14:35:57] <darxmurf> when I split a bit the lines it's working fine with SED and all
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2023 [14:37:25] <Iridos> it's working with a short input line?
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2026 [14:38:48] <TomyWork> jelly odd, it looks like even gpg --recv-keys works... just not when invoked from apt-key
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2029 [14:39:24] <darxmurf> Iridos: yes
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2031 [14:39:31] <TomyWork> maybe the dirmngr is required for interacting with the global keys?
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2033 [14:41:46] <Iridos> hm, can you put that on paste.debian.net?
2034 [14:41:58] <Iridos> I mean… long line that doesn't work and short one that does
2035 [14:42:08] <epigramx> TomyWork: the one I get with apt-get install linux-source
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2038 [14:42:26] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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2040 [14:42:30] <TomyWork> epigramx oh... well i dont know what you get there
2041 [14:42:31] <epigramx> there's no patches at all in /usr/src so I guess it's already patched.
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2043 [14:42:35] <TomyWork> probably patched
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2046 [14:43:11] <Iridos> from what you say, that sounds like a bug in sed… but it's always better if one can see it oneself
2047 [14:43:28] <Iridos> I also wonder why that's not a buffer overflow and a segfault if it's really the length of line
2048 [14:43:43] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know if somehow it's possible to install on debian adobe reader. Indeed, I need to fill some administrative forms, and okular & evince fails to edit some fields (it always checks all the checkbox, and my security number is not displayed correctly). Do you know how I could install it on debian ?
2049 [14:43:48] <darxmurf> Iridos: pm
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2051 [14:43:58] <darxmurf> I tried with SED and PERL
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2053 [14:44:11] <darxmurf> and directly in VIM too
2054 [14:44:29] * petn-randall imagines darxmurf yelling those names.
2055 [14:44:52] <darxmurf> I am :D
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2057 [14:45:53] <petn-randall> darxmurf: You have to speak up when talking to Iridos, he doesn't have his hearing aids in today. ;)
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2061 [14:46:57] <darxmurf> I can sign language a bit if you want but I probaly need an addon for irssi
2062 [14:47:34] <TomyWork> seriously, what the heck happened to apt-key between wheezy and stretch
2063 [14:47:36] <darxmurf> hmm sign language to ascii converter, cool project :D
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2065 [14:47:43] <TomyWork> it's executing some kind of temporary shell script
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2068 [14:49:46] <Iridos> petn-randall, no insolence, young man, you hear?!
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2074 [14:51:35] <darxmurf> Iridos: check your pm :-)
2075 [14:52:05] <Iridos> I did
2076 [14:52:12] <darxmurf> oh okay :-)
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2078 [14:52:32] <Iridos> the first problem is even seeing what happens
2079 [14:53:27] <darxmurf> perl reads the html code and started to vomit and stop processing it
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2082 [14:54:09] <Iridos> the perl line seems to work fine, though?
2083 [14:54:27] <Iridos> there is no co.th in the string after using it
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2086 [14:55:29] <petn-randall> Woops, that was actually meant for #debian-offtopic, sorry for the noise.
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2088 [14:56:56] <darxmurf> yep
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2090 [14:58:26] <darxmurf> some links changed, some not and some only half change Oo
2091 [14:59:00] <deicide-> umm, how can i change the mouse pointer? twitch.tv became cancer and now my mouse pointer doesn't disappears when i watch on full screen and i'm scared of burn-in on my screen cause my mouse pointer is black+white frame
2092 [14:59:12] <Iridos> well, what exactly is it you want it to do
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2095 [14:59:36] <SirLagz> deicide-: move the cursor to the bottom right corner of the screen so it only takes up 1 pixel?
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2097 [14:59:49] <OtakuSenpai> is this command correct?
2098 [14:59:54] <OtakuSenpai> dd bs=2048K if=./firmware-9.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc1
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2100 [15:00:09] <deicide-> doesn't work cause its still white pixel and when i do that the gui never disappears
2101 [15:01:29] <darxmurf> Iridos: replace those google over google links
2102 [15:01:36] <OtakuSenpai> im unsure about it
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2105 [15:02:00] <deicide-> the exact same issue is in my windows machine too
2106 [15:02:10] <deicide-> so its the damned website not my debian pc
2107 [15:02:12] <OtakuSenpai> both "of=/dev/sdc" and "of=/dev/sdc1" dont give the required results
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2109 [15:02:15] <dracc> OtakuSenpai, If you want to put the contents of that iso on that drive, yes.
2110 [15:02:27] <SirLagz> OtakuSenpai: should be /dev/sdc
2111 [15:02:31] <OtakuSenpai> ok
2112 [15:02:41] <SirLagz> OtakuSenpai: what are the desired results? is the usb stick (presumably) not booting?
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2114 [15:03:06] <OtakuSenpai> no there should be some files in the usb
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2117 [15:03:47] <catphish> i would like to run an iscsi target, i'm not clear whether i want the tgt orb istgt package, what is the difference?
2118 [15:04:23] <Iridos> darxmurf, I think yours is too complicated and so you got lost :) How about sed 'sXurl[?]q=replaced-url
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2120 [15:04:56] <OtakuSenpai> d bs=2048K if=./firmware-9.3.0-amd64-i386-netinst.iso of=/dev/sdc
2121 [15:04:56] <OtakuSenpai> 312+1 records in
2122 [15:04:56] <OtakuSenpai> 312+1 records out
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2125 [15:05:12] <OtakuSenpai> 655360000 bytes (655 MB, 625 MiB) copied, 0.814325 s, 805 MB/s
2126 [15:05:25] <OtakuSenpai> cd /media/neelz/temp1/
2127 [15:05:33] <SirLagz> OtakuSenpai: have you mounted it?
2128 [15:05:35] <OtakuSenpai> ls
2129 [15:05:39] <OtakuSenpai> yes
2130 [15:05:39] <darxmurf> Iridos: it's finally what I did :-) but I like to try all in once :D I was just a bit surprised by the weird comportment of the usual tools
2131 [15:05:48] <SirLagz> OtakuSenpai: have you unmounted and mounted since you did the dd?
2132 [15:05:50] <OtakuSenpai> its mounted in temp1/ in media/neelz/
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2134 [15:05:55] <OtakuSenpai> no
2135 [15:05:58] <SirLagz> OtakuSenpai: do that
2136 [15:06:01] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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2138 [15:06:55] <Iridos> darxmurf, oh, found it. Regular expressions are greedy by default. and you have (.+) and that matches anything from the first replaced-url
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2143 [15:07:45] <Iridos> so you always do only one replace, the first half of it does what you want with the first thing you wanted to match, the second half does it with the last thing you wanted to match
2144 [15:07:45] <darxmurf> hmm but it would have kicked out all the text then
2145 [15:08:00] <Iridos> no, because that's replaced by \1
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2147 [15:08:14] <darxmurf> damn
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2150 [15:08:38] <Iridos> and you made it so long and complicated that that was really hard to spot…
2151 [15:08:49] <Iridos> always remember the KISS principle ^^
2152 [15:08:57] <darxmurf> I know :D
2153 [15:09:01] <darxmurf> it's not that long :D
2154 [15:09:33] <darxmurf> and it's readable in the end :D
2155 [15:09:46] <Iridos> well, depending on potential security issues (and at least for testing), I wouldn't have escaped the "."
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2157 [15:10:03] <Sucx> yooo
2158 [15:10:08] <darxmurf> this one was much more freak for a return from a barecode scanner: /_:\s?([\w-]+[^_])[_\s]?c:\s?([\w-]+[^_])[_\s]?b:\s?([\w-]+[^_])[_\s]?u:\s?([\w-]+[^_])[_\s]?r:\s?([\w-]+[^_])[_\s]?i:\s?([01])/
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2160 [15:10:17] <Iridos> because matching replaced-url
2161 [15:10:22] <nomic> z.
2162 [15:10:25] <OtakuSenpai> SirLagz: its works now
2163 [15:10:27] <darxmurf> Iridos: true
2164 [15:10:30] <OtakuSenpai> brb reboot
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2166 [15:10:49] <darxmurf> I was not escaping it first then I thought there was maybe something potentially wrong...
2167 [15:11:01] <darxmurf> when it goes wrong, you secure it :D
2168 [15:11:18] <deicide-> hello?
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2171 [15:11:39] <tacegory> Seems like the meltdown fix causes my laptop to sometimes freeze during booting :(
2172 [15:11:42] <Sucx> i mistakenly 'rm - rf /home' anyway i can have my data back??
2173 [15:11:50] <darxmurf> too much regex kill the regex :D
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2175 [15:12:14] <darxmurf> Sucx: ... backups ?
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2178 [15:12:29] <Iridos> for some reason, I also prefer escaping things not with a backslash, but as a character list [?]. That probably performs worse, but I find that more readable, although I cannot explain why
2179 [15:12:40] <gpunk> Sucx extundelete
2180 [15:12:42] <Sucx> i never do backups
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2185 [15:13:41] <Iridos> darxmurf, the fun starts, when you manipulate your regexps with regexps ^^ and of course, people have done that. I'm not sure I remember right, but I think regexp is turing complete
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2189 [15:14:54] <Iridos> hm, seems I remember wrong and they are not
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2199 [15:19:36] <Sucx> exit
2200 [15:19:39] <Sucx> exit
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2202 [15:20:05] <darxmurf> Sucx: time to start then :D
2203 [15:20:18] <darxmurf> which file system are you using ?
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2205 [15:20:36] <darxmurf> as gpunk said, you can try with extundelete if you are using ext
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2216 [15:24:37] <darxmurf> Iridos: it's just that I finished this regexcrossword stuff the other day and I see everything in regex now, I will calm down :D
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2219 [15:25:15] <Iridos> I miss the possibility to have comments inside regexp
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2221 [15:26:03] <Iridos> but possibly… when you'd need them, "regexp" was the wrong answer to whatever the question was
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2225 [15:26:34] <darxmurf> :)
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2241 [15:30:03] <darxmurf> Oh and I discovered back references of backreferences, it's pretty usefull to mess a bit more the thing :D
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2261 [15:38:09] <plop1342> Hi
2262 [15:38:13] <plop1342> Instead of doing: grep -o '...' access.log | while read -r line; do
2263 [15:38:17] <plop1342> Can I do something like this:
2264 [15:38:23] <plop1342> grep -o '...' {access.2.gz + access.3.gz + access.4.gz} | while read -r line; do
2265 [15:38:30] <plop1342> without having to manually decompress them?
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2268 [15:38:58] <frostschutz> plop1342, zgrep?
2269 [15:39:09] <plop1342> sorry: i mean: grep -o '...' {access.log.2.gz + access.log.3.gz + access.log.4.gz} | while read -r line; do
2270 [15:39:31] <plop1342> frostschutz: how would it look like (because it has to search on 3 files at the same time)?
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2273 [15:40:08] <frostschutz> grep string a b c, zgrep string a.gz b.gz c.gz?
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2276 [15:41:28] <plop1342> frostschutz: and now more difficult:
2277 [15:42:13] <plop1342> grep -o '...' {access.log.1 + access.log.2.gz + access.log.3.gz} (i.e. access.log.1 is not compressed)
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2279 [15:42:25] <darxmurf> zgrep
2280 [15:42:43] <darxmurf> it works with gz and not gz
2281 [15:42:43] <plop1342> darxmurf how will it know which one is compressed and which one isn't?
2282 [15:42:54] <darxmurf> it knows :-)
2283 [15:42:58] <plop1342> cool :)
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2285 [15:43:01] <darxmurf> ouaip
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2287 [15:43:10] <plop1342> c'est cool alors!
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2289 [15:43:20] <plop1342> i guess u r french with "ouaip"
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2293 [15:43:39] <darxmurf> not far :-) the rich country next :-)
2294 [15:43:56] <n4dir> plop1342: grep ... | while read ... ; doesn't sound right, you better ask in #bash for a better solution
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2297 [15:44:35] <plop1342> darxmurf haha suisse!
2298 [15:44:47] <darxmurf> you can also do while read;.... ; done < <(grep ...)
2299 [15:44:52] <darxmurf> if you want to avoid |
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2301 [15:45:12] <plop1342> darxmurf: is it faster in terms of performance or just a different way to write it?
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2304 [15:46:02] <darxmurf> I'm not sure if I'm right but I think every time you |, it opens a new shell
2305 [15:46:18] <plop1342> darxmurf: last thing: is it possible to write access.log.1 access.log.2.gz access.log.3.gz like access.log{.1,.2.gz,.3.gz} ?
2306 [15:46:19] <darxmurf> then in some situations it's messing up with variables and things like that
2307 [15:46:41] <darxmurf> nop sure, try... :-)
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2315 [15:48:03] <darxmurf> you can do: echo "test" | tee file1 file2 file3
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2317 [15:48:11] <darxmurf> but don't know what you want to do in the end
2318 [15:48:18] <plop1342> i'll try that thanks!
2319 [15:48:40] <darxmurf> hfr too ?
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2322 [15:49:47] <plop1342> fr too yes
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2324 [15:51:11] <n4dir> you could try "access.log{1,2.gz,3.gz}, for sure {} instead of ()
2325 [15:51:28] <plop1342> n4dir thanks it seems to work
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2332 [15:52:06] <n4dir> took me a bit to figure out the syntax inside of { }; what a mess (i tried , and space, space only , etc).
2333 [15:53:07] <n4dir> last thing: in case you don't know it give shellcheck.net a try.
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2342 [15:54:19] <darxmurf> n4dir: cool one more site like that :-)
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2344 [15:54:29] <darxmurf> I discovered plenty of them the last months
2345 [15:54:32] <darxmurf> replaced-url
2346 [15:54:40] <n4dir> :-)
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2348 [15:54:48] <darxmurf> replaced-url
2349 [15:54:56] <darxmurf> pretty usefull
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2351 [15:55:07] <darxmurf> I mean, more fun than usefull :)
2352 [15:55:25] <n4dir> shellcheck is pretty useful, as it points out the most common errors.
2353 [15:55:33] <darxmurf> yep
2354 [15:55:44] <n4dir> well; it seems to. what do i know ...
2355 [15:55:45] <blind> never been to regexper but regex101 is pretty great
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2357 [15:56:27] <darxmurf> regexper is more "visual"
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2359 [15:57:01] <darxmurf> regex101 is pretty good
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2362 [15:58:05] <plop1342> regex101 is excellent right
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2369 [16:01:40] <darxmurf> oh and plop1342 when I said "hfr too" I was talking about forum.hardware.fr :D but apparently you aren't in :-)
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2375 [16:05:25] <Trel> Quick question on imagemagick in debian, when I look at the imagemagick docs, it shows commands like 'magick mogrify ....' but there's no magick binary when I installed it, instead I'm seeing binaries for things like mogrify on their own. Is that normal?
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2381 [16:07:46] <blind> Trel: yeah "mogrify" and "convert" are the primary commands you'll want to use from imagemagick
2382 [16:08:10] <Trel> I'm aware of that
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2385 [16:08:21] <colo-work> Trel, that's normal, yes
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2387 [16:08:45] <Trel> I'm asking why in debian the command is 'mogrify etc' but the imagemagick docs say its 'magick mogrify etc' whereas there's not even a magick binary.
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2390 [16:09:18] <blind> Always just used the mogrify and convert commands directly, not sure why the docs reference a "magick" binary.
2391 [16:09:29] <Haohmaru> the imagemagick documentation is not very consistent with itself ;P~
2392 [16:09:47] <Trel> Fair enough
2393 [16:09:57] <plop1342> awk .... file.log.1 file.log.2.gz file.log.3.gz
2394 [16:09:58] <Trel> I just wanted to make sure I didn't do something horribly wrong
2395 [16:10:02] <plop1342> does zawk exist ? :)
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2398 [16:11:36] <gpunk> no
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2404 [16:13:16] <plop1342> zcat /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log.{3.gz,2.gz,1} =>
2405 [16:13:20] <plop1342> this gives me: other_vhosts_access.log.1: not in gzip format
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2407 [16:13:38] <plop1342> so zcat can't mix gziped and non-gziped
2408 [16:13:43] <gpunk> yes
2409 [16:13:45] <plop1342> how to cat all these 3 files then?
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2414 [16:14:27] <darxmurf> zcat file1 file2 file3
2415 [16:14:38] <darxmurf> ?
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2418 [16:15:16] <plop1342> darxmurf same problem
2419 [16:15:23] <plop1342> zcat doesn't like non gziped file
2420 [16:15:28] <darxmurf> ah okay
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2423 [16:16:49] <Iridos> yeah, zgrep, too… that's kind of stupid… why can't it autodetect
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2425 [16:17:22] <TomyWork> it's a thin wrapper i think
2426 [16:17:33] <TomyWork> and zcat may be just a symlink to gzip :D
2427 [16:18:03] <plop1342> what would be the "nice" way to "zcat a.log b.log.gz c.log.gz" then?
2428 [16:18:05] <Iridos> I understand that that could give you some erratic behavior you maybe don't want as a default, but why can't it have an option to enable it
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2430 [16:18:29] <TomyWork> plop1342 make your own script
2431 [16:18:29] <darxmurf> ls /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log.{3.gz,2.gz,1} | while read file; if [[ $file =~ =~ \.gz$ ]]; then zcat $file; else cat $file; fi; done ?
2432 [16:18:32] <darxmurf> :DS
2433 [16:18:39] <Iridos> yeah, it's just a shell script
2434 [16:18:41] <TomyWork> darxmurf double =~
2435 [16:18:42] <Iridos> and yet…
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2437 [16:18:46] <darxmurf> oops sorry
2438 [16:18:49] <darxmurf> ls /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log.{3.gz,2.gz,1} | while read file; if [[ $file =~ \.gz$ ]]; then zcat $file; else cat $file; fi; done ?
2439 [16:19:21] <darxmurf> did not try it
2440 [16:19:27] <plop1342> or maybe:
2441 [16:19:28] <plop1342> zcat /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log.{3.gz,2.gz} > Q4log && cat /var/log/apache2/other_vhosts_access.log.1 > Q4log
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2443 [16:19:33] <Iridos> and yeah… it's basically gzip -cd file
2444 [16:19:41] <plop1342> but the last one will not append, instead it will overwrite
2445 [16:19:44] <plop1342> >> to append?
2446 [16:19:48] <darxmurf> plop1342: you will erase your file in the 2nd command
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2448 [16:19:54] <darxmurf> use >>
2449 [16:19:58] <plop1342> ok nice i'll try that
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2451 [16:20:43] <TomyWork> plop1342 you're making quarterly logs?
2452 [16:20:47] <darxmurf> but you should then write a small script to make things a bit more clean :-)
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2454 [16:21:07] <TomyWork> might wanna take a look at the ELK (elasticsearch/logstash/kibana) stack
2455 [16:21:17] <n4dir> (04:20:39 PM) greybot: DO NOT USE ls' output for anything. ls is a tool for interactively looking at directory metadata. Any attempts at parsing ls' output with code are broken. Globs are much more simple AND correct: ''for file in *.txt''. Read replaced-url
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2458 [16:21:41] <TomyWork> plop1342 oh and what n4dir said. didnt see what you were doing there ^^
2459 [16:21:49] <Iridos> plop1342, but why so complicated… why not just cat other_vhosts_access.lo*[^z];zcat other_vhosts_access.log.*gz
2460 [16:22:02] <darxmurf> n4dir: oh thanks
2461 [16:22:02] <darxmurf> okay
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2465 [16:23:59] <darxmurf> n4dir: but for i in *.txt will not like filenames with spaces isn't it ?
2466 [16:24:19] <Iridos> no, that as such is fine with anything
2467 [16:24:25] <n4dir> iirc that is the exact reason why you do use globs instead of "ls" ...
2468 [16:24:30] <Iridos> only make sure to quote $i
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2471 [16:25:19] <n4dir> i can spot some common errors, but in genera i am rather lousy with bash
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2473 [16:25:38] <darxmurf> damn !
2474 [16:25:44] <Iridos> well, and this isn't #bash :)
2475 [16:25:46] <darxmurf> for i in $(ls *.txt) is shitty
2476 [16:25:53] <darxmurf> nopè sorry
2477 [16:26:02] <darxmurf> og yes it's this one
2478 [16:26:09] <darxmurf> but not for file in *.txt
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2480 [16:26:15] <colo-work> you alos should consider prefixing globs with a path, like so: for i in ./*.txt
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2482 [16:26:28] <colo-work> if you don't, leading dashes in filenames that your glob expands to can cause ugly surprises
2483 [16:26:41] <darxmurf> hmm I was trying to avoid "for" because of this mess with ls
2484 [16:26:58] <darxmurf> cool thanks for the trick, I'll check my scripts monday
2485 [16:27:14] <Iridos> just avoid parsing the output of ls (or pretty much any program listing directories)
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2488 [16:27:41] <n4dir> sure do use shellcheck. Iridos was a bit "shy" in pointing out that quoting variables is a must, always, ever.
2489 [16:28:08] <n4dir> going through the pitfalls at mywiki.wooledge.org won't hurt either.
2490 [16:28:28] <Iridos> replaced-url
2491 [16:28:40] <Iridos> heh… I was just busy getting the url
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2493 [16:28:56] <Iridos> and the faq, too at replaced-url
2494 [16:28:57] <n4dir> i am eating, else i would have looked for url's ... thanks.
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2500 [16:30:29] <Iridos> I think it was a bad decision to allow really anything in filenames, including newlines. Just disallowing a very small number like e.g. three could already make life so much easier
2501 [16:30:29] <yod> hi
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2508 [16:35:24] <darxmurf> folks, it's week-end time \o/
2509 [16:35:31] <darxmurf> and beer time obviously
2510 [16:35:42] <darxmurf> thanks for the regex help :-)
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2525 [16:42:21] <TomyWork> Iridos well no character is special, except \0
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2542 [16:51:20] <bbear> hello
2543 [16:51:40] <bbear> I need to generate a python3 package but I have some failures because the thing is trying to build against python23
2544 [16:51:42] <bbear> python2
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2554 [16:55:57] <goose> I'm on a fresh install of 9.3 and experiencing a weird issue - Whenever I issue a "sudo systemctl poweroff" my system powers off for 3-5 seconds, then starts itself again
2555 [16:56:19] <Iridos> TomyWork, I know. And in general, I agree with the concept. I just think being a bit less radical about it would have been much better
2556 [16:57:45] <somiaj> goose: do you get the same behavior with 'systemctl halt' or 'shutdown -h now'?
2557 [16:57:51] <goose> let me see
2558 [16:58:22] <n4dir> is there any reason systemctl is used at all?
2559 [16:58:37] <goose> not in particular, that's just the way I was running the shutdown command
2560 [16:59:24] <goose> I should mention this is a headless server I'm sitting next to. the fans are still running after 'systemctl halt', but services seem to have gone down. doesn't respond to ping or ssh.
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2562 [17:00:44] <`Kevin> could be hung trying to stop something or unmounting etc
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2564 [17:01:11] <gpunk> no, 'cause it is restarting ...
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2566 [17:02:22] <`Kevin> -> but services seem to have gone down. doesn't respond to ping or ssh.
2567 [17:02:27] <`Kevin> but it reboots?
2568 [17:02:27] <bbear> is there a development channel somewhere ?
2569 [17:02:57] <n4dir> bbear: if you search for "debian +IRC", you should find the debian page which lists all channels
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2571 [17:03:29] <somiaj> goose: so it halts as in it doesn't actually reboot? Maybe there is some firmware issue with the mobo causing the kernel not to be able to actually power off the machine, at the end of the halt.
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2575 [17:04:48] <n4dir> i seem to recall that halt, opposed to poweroff and shutdown, usually ... well ... halts the machine, but you will have to use the powerbutton to "really" turn it of. No?
2576 [17:05:09] <`Kevin> n4dir: i vaguely recall this as well
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2579 [17:06:19] <`Kevin> yea shutdown sends an ACPI signal at the end to poweroff halt doesnt
2580 [17:06:31] <somiaj> n4dir: maybe, though the standard shutdown -h (halt) on my system powers it off. Unsure if systemctl has a different meaning
2581 [17:06:31] <Achylles> goose, some time ago I had problems with systemctl poweroff as well. I used to issue this command and the system hung. The fan did not stop and I became so upset with this command that I installed "pm-utils" and now I normally use it to manage hibernate and other options or I just use "shutdown -h now" or "poweroff" whenever I, rarely, want to poweroff the machine.
2582 [17:06:37] <somiaj> but goose said poweroff didn't work either.
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2585 [17:08:30] <n4dir> somiaj: i never heard of using systemctl to shutdown ( that's my problem, of course, just saying. Hence i was wondering why it is used at all)
2586 [17:09:08] <somiaj> because well systemd wants a central tool that can control the system and handel privlage escilation
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2588 [17:09:25] <n4dir> so it is kinda the recommended way now?
2589 [17:09:35] <somiaj> I see it as another way
2590 [17:09:40] <n4dir> okay. thanks
2591 [17:10:14] <somiaj> it might be nice if you set up the privlage escilation with polkit, so a user with correct systemctl permisions can do things like shutdown/suspend/hibernate/reboot the system with out root access
2592 [17:10:32] <`Kevin> # file /sbin/shutdown
2593 [17:10:33] <`Kevin> /sbin/shutdown: symbolic link to /bin/systemctl
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2595 [17:10:37] <`Kevin> fyi
2596 [17:10:54] <n4dir> aha. thanks, Kevin
2597 [17:11:03] <Achylles> goose, Also try "systemctl isolate poweroff.target"
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2601 [17:12:11] <Achylles> This one worked for me...
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2606 [17:15:03] <TomyWork> the weekend starts here (<-- google that)
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2609 [17:15:22] <julius> Yo! I installed Debian on a friend's computer (he is a Linux noob, but we study physics, and our university is pretty pro-linux; the computer is kinda slow, ASUS Aspire). It keeps crashing (becomes unresponsive, freezes). It's not the CPU, rather the RAM (8GB) or swap (4GB), I'm not sure. Any quick tips on how to prevent this?
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2611 [17:15:47] <jelly> julius: overheating? Can you see temp. sensors?
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2615 [17:18:28] <kdagt2> Hey guys! Did you hear anything new about Meltdown? I upgraded my kernel to 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 and I still can pass the test script for meltdown.
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2617 [17:18:39] <julius> I can't see them, but I don't think that's the reason... Screen is still on, and sometimes it doesn't take too long for the computer to crash, he said.
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2619 [17:19:00] <petn-randall> julius: You could run memtest86+ on it for a few hours to check the RAM for errors.
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2621 [17:19:29] <petn-randall> ,kernels
2622 [17:19:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-
2623 [17:19:31] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
2624 [17:19:38] <n4dir> Pretty much all my machines crash, at least freeze, when i use a modern webbrowser. But then: none of my machines has more than 2 Gigs of Ram
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2628 [17:21:27] <petn-randall> kdagt2: I'd start debugging what your test script actually does.
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2646 [17:26:00] <julius> petn-randall: Um... installed memtest86+, but how can I run it?
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2651 [17:26:20] <krokodila> i wanna ask a question:
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2653 [17:26:50] <krokodila> if i install a program via shell script from a tar archive, how to uninstall it?
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2655 [17:27:19] <n4dir> some have got "make uninstall"
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2658 [17:27:44] <krokodila> n4dir : so if not?
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2660 [17:28:13] <n4dir> i guess then you are on your own. that is: rm all it put in place "manually". I wouldn't bet though
2661 [17:28:32] <kdagt2> petn-randall, the script is by the same guys (Graz, Austria) who developed the proof of concept. So it's pretty trustworthy.
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2663 [17:28:58] <kdagt2> petn-randall, replaced-url
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2801 [17:38:41] <petn-randall> kdagt2: If you did, which one of the demos returns a positive?
2802 [17:38:52] <kdagt2> petn-randall, of cource I did. uname -a shows 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
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2804 [17:39:05] <kdagt2> petn-randall, the very first one
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2818 [17:39:58] <petn-randall> kdagt2: Did you read the README that comes with it?
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2829 [17:41:30] <kdagt2> petn-randall, yep. That's how I compiled it and ran
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2840 [17:43:56] <deicide-> umm, how can i change the mouse pointer?
2841 [17:44:40] <petn-randall> kdagt2: I'm guessing that that specific test works even patched, as it access it's own memory regions. So I'd assume that it's not proof for working meltdown, but a requirement for those tests further down.
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2871 [17:56:36] <kdagt2> petn-randall, I'm going to do all the tests. I will post here about the results
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2891 [18:00:48] <deicide-> how can i change the mouse pointer?
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2893 [18:01:21] <mtn> deicide-: which desktop are you using? gnome?
2894 [18:01:29] <deicide-> xfce
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2896 [18:01:55] <mtn> deicide-: open your menu and search for themes
2897 [18:02:13] <deicide-> i have only 1 installed
2898 [18:02:57] <mtn> deicide-: replaced-url
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2933 [18:24:59] <gladioacuto> is it possible to purge a package without its dependent packages? I made a mistake with repos and I have ~10 packages with too new versions. I want to purge them and reinstal from the proper repo (stretch)
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2968 [18:43:55] <hicks_> You can attempt to install the earlier package version, aptitude will then treat it as a downgrade and not need to remove all related dependancies unless they need to be downgraded or conflict
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3035 [19:10:09] <deicide-> that link doesnt help me at all
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3063 [19:21:41] <Iridos> gladio… meh
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3070 [19:25:21] <NetTerminalGene> wow. very silent
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3074 [19:28:29] <donald> I use virt-manager. what is the difference between share a folder by the guest viewer after had installed the guest addition and configure the hardware of the filesystem of the guest machine in virt-manager?
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3134 [19:35:05] <FightingFalcon> Where could i find information regarding the German soldiers trapped in Sevastopolo pocket after the Soviet 152th army cut the connection with German 8th army?
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3139 [19:35:21] <JustASlacker> try #centos
3140 [19:36:04] <JustASlacker> although I think they are more specialized in the battle of stalingrad
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3156 [19:37:43] <donald> FightingFalcon: internet
3157 [19:37:44] <donald> but wait
3158 [19:37:44] <donald> we are in internet
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3162 [19:37:58] <FightingFalcon> yea
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3165 [19:38:12] <jelly> FightingFalcon: see if there's a history channel. /msg alis list history
3166 [19:38:23] <donald> the I must reveal you something
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3168 [19:38:40] <jelly> donald: keep this channel for tech support, please
3169 [19:38:47] <donald> all right
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3203 [19:44:33] <LuMint> Hi! Does Debian for i386 have the Meltdown CVE fixed?
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3210 [19:46:24] <streaky> what's an i386
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3212 [19:47:17] <streaky> seriously though, 99.9999% sure those cpus aren't affected
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3214 [19:47:22] <FightingFalcon> a three digit number preceded by the word "i"
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3220 [19:48:04] <LuMint> streaky: yes they are
3221 [19:48:18] <streaky> speculative execution on an i386?
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3226 [19:49:20] <streaky> hold on, wrong bug
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3233 [19:50:09] <LuMint> streaky: CVE-2017-5754
3234 [19:50:32] <streaky> nah i was right first time
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3237 [19:52:38] <streaky> people shouldn't use terms like i386 when they don't mean i386, leads to confusion
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3242 [19:53:19] <streaky> no cpu you could reasonably call an i386 has speculative execution, you mean x86
3243 [19:53:20] <Epakai> i386 is the name Debian uses...
3244 [19:53:30] <streaky> yeah debian is derpy :p
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3247 [19:54:38] <streaky> i wasn't being awkward by the way, that genuinely made me wtf
3248 [19:54:48] <streaky> mornings are for coffee and contemplation
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3272 [20:11:43] <Gumby> is there a way to force debian to ignore a specific lvm pool and its volumes at boot? one of volumes is broken and this stops the system at maintenance prompt. The volume is not essential for me however I can't delete it as I am waiting on a possible fix to recover the volume.
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3284 [20:16:00] <mnuhmnuh> Epakai: i use amd64.
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3294 [20:22:27] <blackslide> and prolly have an intel cpu :D
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3296 [20:22:55] <blackslide> tho i64 is for intel itanium I suppose.. and that's quite a different story.
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3299 [20:26:12] <mnuhmnuh> yup, xeon core ii quad.
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3305 [20:28:18] <blackslide> uuh, xeon...
3306 [20:28:58] * mnuhmnuh looks fondly back at the days when OSF/1 managed to run on DEC Alphas (screamers!) *long* before VMS managed to run on same. :-)
3307 [20:30:04] <mnuhmnuh> this's prob. the best box i've ever owned. hp tower.
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3327 [20:37:16] <placko> I have a program that is depending on /usr/bin/dnsquery. I can not find dnsquery program in any package. I remember few years ago this was installed in my old computer. Where is dnsquery package now?
3328 [20:39:07] <mnuhmnuh> apt-file search dnsquery mentions libpurple-dev
3329 [20:39:31] <placko> Now I am using Sid if that is of any use
3330 [20:39:44] <somiaj> I'm not finding any package that contains a file named dnsquery as far back as wheezy
3331 [20:40:40] <mnuhmnuh> i'm on buster.
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3334 [20:41:41] <somiaj> libpurple has a file dnsquery.h, which isn't the binary being searched for
3335 [20:41:44] <placko> btw libpurple-dev contains dnsquery.h header file, not the program
3336 [20:42:21] <somiaj> I don't think it is in debian, and last time it was in debian was before wheezy
3337 [20:42:23] * mnuhmnuh just sayin'
3338 [20:42:45] <somiaj> I do see some old dnsquery manpages for some translations still floating around, so it was removed at some time.
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3340 [20:43:00] <placko> the other program that depends on dnsquery is useing it as 'dnsquery -t MX' for sending mail. any suggestion what could be used instead?
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3342 [20:44:12] <petemc> dig uses that syntax
3343 [20:44:40] <mnuhmnuh> speaking of wheezy, sorry to xpost, but yo wheezy users, LTS ends May 31, 2018! replaced-url
3344 [20:44:43] <placko> hmm, i can not find dig package either :(
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3346 [20:44:47] <somiaj> maybe nslookup or dig would work
3347 [20:44:47] <petemc> dnsutils
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3349 [20:45:37] <petemc> host -t mx also works, and less verbose than dig by default
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3352 [20:47:12] <placko> thanks, i will try host then dig, Hope one of output will be compatible with what program expect
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3371 [20:55:01] <mnuhmnuh> debian-archive-keyring, gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0, gnome-keyring, ...
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3378 [20:56:10] <mnuhmnuh> wrong window. noise.
3379 [20:56:38] <charking> Hello. This may be off topic, but can anyone recommend a web analytics software package? I've heard of Piwik (now "Matomo"), not sure if there are any good alternatives.
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3382 [20:57:34] <charking> Maybe Piwik (Matomo) is still the main option
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3465 [21:23:46] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
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3484 [21:31:19] <adman120> anyone know a good way to export a unionfs-fuse folder or an alternative to that?
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3532 [21:52:34] <jaggz> why's apt remove {somepackage} telling me a bunch of other packages will be removed, when they're not really related (or are they)?
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3534 [21:53:02] <jaggz> I'm removing the ocr engine, libtesseract3, and it's telling me it's going to remove ffmpeg, vokoscreen (a screen capture program), ...
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3536 [21:53:58] <jaggz> I then ensured to mark those as manually installed (apt install ffmpeg vokoscreen etc.) but the remove of libtesseract3 still says it's going to remove them
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3538 [21:54:17] <annadane> are you on stable?
3539 [21:55:26] <jaggz> annadane, no, stretch (9.3)
3540 [21:55:32] <annadane> which is stable.
3541 [21:55:34] <jaggz> oh
3542 [21:55:49] <jaggz> cool :)
3543 [21:56:14] <jaggz> How do I see the dependency relationship between ffmpeg and this package?
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3548 [21:56:44] <jaggz> the first level of depends (apt-cache depends) doesn't show it as a direct dependency
3549 [21:58:27] <mnuhmnuh> jaggz: apt show pkgname lists "Depends:", so ...
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3553 [21:59:18] <greycat> In general it would be a recursive search through the directed graph of package dependencies. I'm not aware of any handy tools for such things.
3554 [21:59:48] <jaggz> debtree shows the full thing.. big mess :)
3555 [22:00:01] <mnuhmnuh> Depends: libavcodec57 (>= 7:3.4.1) | libavcodec-extra57 (>= 7:3.4.1), libavdevice57 (>= 7:3.4.1), libavfilter6 (>= 7:3.4.1) | libavfilter-extra6 ...
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3557 [22:00:42] <mnuhmnuh> sry, i'm on testing/buster; ymmv.
3558 [22:00:43] <annadane> i was going to say, apt depends/rdepends foo
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3564 [22:01:47] <greycat> *nod* starting bottom-up from libtesseract3 and tracing the rdepends "upward" might work out better, or it might not.
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3570 [22:04:53] <annadane> and also aptitude
3571 [22:04:58] <jaggz> replaced-url
3572 [22:05:19] <annadane> dear christ.
3573 [22:05:33] <jaggz> there it is.. see the 3 loopy lines on libtesseract3 ?
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3575 [22:05:37] <jaggz> up at the top middle
3576 [22:06:07] <jaggz> looks like ffmpeg -> libavfilter6 -> libtesseract3
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3578 [22:06:17] <annadane> in stable you shouldn't get that many if any dependency problems so i wonder if you have other repositories or are mixing testing/sid
3579 [22:06:24] <greycat> I'm looking more at the blue arrows from ffmpeg to libavfilter6, then to libtesseract3
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3581 [22:07:10] <mnuhmnuh> libavfilter-extra6
3582 [22:07:16] <Iridos> jaggz, as an aside… we tried at one point do represent it in 3D… replaced-url
3583 [22:07:23] <jaggz> ffmpeg is probably a multimedia thing
3584 [22:07:30] <greycat> It most definitely is.
3585 [22:07:31] <DammitJim> if I patch Debian for Meltdown/Spectre
3586 [22:07:41] <DammitJim> do I still have to patch for Firefox/CHrome?
3587 [22:07:41] <Tramp> jaggz: you may lack libavfilter6 and only have libavfilter-extra6
3588 [22:07:42] <jaggz> yeah.. it is.. I see it here in apt-cache policy
3589 [22:07:50] <DammitJim> meaning... are these 2 different problems? OS vs Apps?
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3591 [22:08:01] <Iridos> jaggz, and I guess you could remove the package with dpkg -r and then ask: aptitude why-not packagename for the ones that is also to be removed
3592 [22:08:14] <mnuhmnuh> DammitJim: kernel devs are handling that, methinks.
3593 [22:08:24] <fasdfd> Can dehydrated be used without touching root nor sudo?
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3597 [22:08:51] <greycat> DammitJim: my *extremely* weak understanding is Spectre has to be patched in every place that has something inside something, which includes the kernel, and also web browsers that do JIT compiling, etc.
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3601 [22:09:35] <DammitJim> JIT compiling
3602 [22:09:37] <DammitJim> thanks
3603 [22:09:39] <jaggz> by the way, the reason for my removal of tesseract is because I'm trying to compile a new version of it (it's ocr software)
3604 [22:09:49] <DammitJim> I'm just trying to measure the inventory of things I need to address
3605 [22:09:50] <blackslide> uuh, apt galaxy :D
3606 [22:09:50] <DammitJim> thanks
3607 [22:10:02] <jaggz> hoping the big version increase will result in something that works for me..
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3612 [22:10:40] <komakkk> hello
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3614 [22:10:57] <jaggz> ooh.. yeah.. dpkg -r shows exactly what depends on it
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3616 [22:11:16] <jaggz> dpkg -r libtesseract3 shows me libavfilter6
3617 [22:11:16] * dpkg removes libtesseract3 shows me libavfilter6 along with a pound of flesh from jaggz's body, then staples jaggz back up with a staple gun.
3618 [22:11:47] <Iridos> huh? I thought dpkg -r would just remove it
3619 [22:12:04] <jaggz> dependency problems - not removing
3620 [22:12:19] <jaggz> would need a --force[-something] in there no?
3621 [22:12:25] <komakkk> maybe someone can help me.. i am stuck with apt on raspbian jessie.... everytime i apt-get install or update i got this: replaced-url
3622 [22:12:32] <Iridos> hm, ok. it's not something that I do a lot (or at all)
3623 [22:12:52] <annadane> !raspbian
3624 [22:12:52] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
3625 [22:13:03] <jaggz> I don't like unclean package dependencies.. so tough to try to handle compiling my own up.. I've only tried once or twice to make a public project into a .deb
3626 [22:13:12] <jaggz> (and tell something "Provides:" or whatever)
3627 [22:13:17] <komakkk> in #raspbian they cant help me sorry
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3629 [22:13:28] <komakkk> it looks like a generical problem anyway
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3632 [22:13:55] <komakkk> please i m stuck
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3635 [22:14:35] <mnuhmnuh> DammitJim: yes, two diff. things, one rectified, another, long term prob. replaced-url
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3637 [22:15:02] <jaggz> komakkk, looks like something you should post to a raspbian issues forum for them to fix
3638 [22:15:05] <jaggz> s/fix/address/
3639 [22:15:08] * mnuhmnuh still think it's all just hype.
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3641 [22:15:39] <jaggz> komakkk, also, try running apt-listchanges --apt yourself
3642 [22:15:46] <komakkk> how?
3643 [22:15:47] <Iridos> jaggz, I usually try to install into /usr/local/softwarename or so… and then write wrappers or so for /usr/local/bin…
3644 [22:16:17] <Iridos> it seems not too much worth it packaging stuff for home-use on a single machine
3645 [22:16:19] <jaggz> Iridos, ahh.. and do you package the wrappers in a .deb with provides: stuff?
3646 [22:16:57] <Iridos> hm, no, I usually only compile things I directly need… and keep it outside the packaging system
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3648 [22:17:01] <jaggz> Iridos, I've never wanted to bother if I can avoid it.. just don't want ffmpeg -> libav* complaining or causing issues for the year
3649 [22:17:37] <OS-13444> hi
3650 [22:17:38] <jaggz> hey, maybe I can just leave the existing tesseract and install this one elsewhere.. run it by hand when needed
3651 [22:17:47] <Iridos> and it's mostly smaller stuff… if other things depend on it, maybe it's not the right thing
3652 [22:18:07] <Iridos> but it generally seems simpler… and more obvious when you see it after a year or so
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3656 [22:19:33] <_Maik_> hello, is there a https mirror of security.debian.org/debian-security
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3661 [22:20:30] <Iridos> no. at least none official one… surely someone on earth mirrors it somewhere
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3663 [22:21:06] <_Maik_> why not? is there a reason to not use https transport?
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3665 [22:21:33] <komakkk> jaggz how can i run it manually?
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3668 [22:22:31] <jaggz> komakkk, by typing the command
3669 [22:22:40] <komakkk> it doesnt work
3670 [22:22:49] <komakkk> illegal instruction
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3672 [22:23:14] <greycat> This is why we do not support non-Debian users here.
3673 [22:23:22] <jaggz> komakkk, gotta report it to raspbian I think.. sorry.. unless want to try to debug it yourself.
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3675 [22:23:41] <komakkk> ok. thanks
3676 [22:23:44] <jaggz> sowry
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3681 [22:24:28] <greycat> But seriously, if you get "illegal instruction" running ANY apt* command, what the hell did you DO? Download a random .deb file from an FTP server for the wrong CPU architecture and then install it as root?
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3683 [22:25:06] <nkuttler> no risk no fun
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3691 [22:27:02] <mnuhmnuh> dpkg --configure -a
3692 [22:27:02] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, mnuhmnuh
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3694 [22:27:40] <mnuhmnuh> bite me dpkg. :-)
3695 [22:27:56] <blackslide> dpkg what?
3696 [22:27:56] <dpkg> This!
3697 [22:27:58] <blackslide> :D
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3700 [22:29:31] <blackslide> okay, so anything that's running on amd and intel cpus has to be patched...
3701 [22:30:02] <greycat> "Intel, AMD and ARM" in the white paper. Who knows, could be even more.
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3705 [22:30:48] <jaggz> greycat, could come from something else his command is running
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3708 [22:31:05] <Iridos> _Maik_, speed of distribution
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3712 [22:31:57] <blackslide> So kernel handles all the drivers in most linux distros. So those are gtg. But anything else that runs, must be patched for the same vulnerabilities?
3713 [22:32:04] <jaggz> ooh.. new version of tesseract, so far, is better
3714 [22:32:19] <blackslide> If nvidia even went and patched their driver sw..
3715 [22:32:26] <_Maik_> Iridos, okay thx, so i set the ip of the security server to the outbound allow list in iptables ;)
3716 [22:32:41] <Iridos> is it only one?
3717 [22:32:49] <jaggz> thanks for the help all of y'all.. :) got it in and working, with the existing deb version still in.. I guess my PATH also is set to use my local installs first too, so I didn't have to do anything other than hash -r :)
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3719 [22:33:00] <greycat> security.debian.org has at least 4 A records
3720 [22:33:01] <apollo13> blackslide: kernel needs patches, microcode needs to be applied and basically __every__ app needs to get recompiled
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3722 [22:33:08] <jaggz> and the quality of the ocr is nicer.. and it's fast.. yay :)
3723 [22:33:09] <Iridos> right
3724 [22:33:10] <greycat> and ... 3 AAAA records
3725 [22:33:15] <jaggz> now I can go afk and stop neglecting my family
3726 [22:33:22] <jaggz> :) thanks a bunch
3727 [22:33:30] <blackslide> ah, okay, so kernel was just the start :D
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3729 [22:33:56] <_Maik_> Iridos, no 4 ips says dig ^^
3730 [22:33:59] <_Maik_> Another question, is the new kernel for the meltdown and spectre security hole fixed?
3731 [22:34:01] <blackslide> crap.. I've got that darned kxstudio blasphemy installed :D
3732 [22:34:13] <apollo13> _Maik_: you cannot really fix spectre in the kernel
3733 [22:34:32] <_Maik_> Had some problems with Xorg, nic drivers not loaded and so on
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3735 [22:35:48] <annadane> meltdown is patched in stable, spectre isn't
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3737 [22:36:02] <_Maik_> Fixing not really. but patching the kernel ;)
3738 [22:36:11] <greycat> meltdown patches are also in kernels for oldstable (jessie) and oldoldstable (wheezy)
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3740 [22:36:24] <apollo13> _Maik_: okay; patching the kernel will not help for spectre
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3743 [22:36:57] <_Maik_> i tryed the new kernel yesterday, and the nic drivers werent loaded, loading kernel befor the nic drivers where back
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3749 [22:39:42] <_Maik_> okay, thanks for your help, big respect for the hole debian project, love it ;)
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3752 [22:40:25] <annadane> love it also. :)
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3759 [22:41:41] <FightingFalcon> How is it going?
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3774 [22:46:11] <FightingFalcon> Why dont we all work together to make more ppl use Debian?
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3777 [22:46:40] <annadane> well, i recommend it to people where i can
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3779 [22:47:14] <FightingFalcon> Thats not enough
3780 [22:47:36] <FightingFalcon> id
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3791 [22:51:26] <annadane> i mean, how do you propose it; i think debian has a few outreach projects
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3797 [22:52:32] <annadane> replaced-url
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3802 [22:53:39] <FightingFalcon> how do i use the "useradd" command?
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3806 [22:54:04] <FightingFalcon> whats the difference between -b, -m and -s parameters?
3807 [22:54:05] * mnuhmnuh hmm. do i care if $restofworld uses debian, or just that i can?
3808 [22:54:12] <annadane> FightingFalcon, "man useradd"
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3812 [22:55:28] <mnuhmnuh> better: "xman -notopbox -bothshown &" # point & click manpages.
3813 [22:55:47] <FightingFalcon> i didnt understand the difference between "base directory and home directory"
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3823 [22:58:36] <mnuhmnuh> my $HOME == /home/$USER ; also ~; bare cd takes you there.
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3826 [22:59:08] <annadane> base directory i would guess means current directory
3827 [22:59:19] <annadane> that's probably not right
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3829 [22:59:45] <FightingFalcon> no
3830 [22:59:46] <annadane> it should be in the man page regardless
3831 [23:00:04] <mnuhmnuh> (root) is _the_ base dir. all others mount onto root.
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3833 [23:00:32] <mnuhmnuh> er, /
3834 [23:00:35] <annadane> oh, right
3835 [23:00:37] <annadane> silly me
3836 [23:00:39] <FightingFalcon> For example i want to create a user named "michael" and his home directory will be /var/replaced-url
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3838 [23:00:52] <FightingFalcon> and he wont be able to go out of this directory
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3853 [23:06:15] <teatime> FightingFalcon: if you do not specify the homedir explicitly with -d, the default is to append the "base directory" which defaults to /home to the username, so you end up with /home/michael by default
3854 [23:06:28] <meshnet> bit of an issue here guys. opera linux seems to have a problem with playing videos onfacebook but not on youtube. Any ideas why ? flash is active
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3858 [23:06:52] <teatime> FightingFalcon: "and he wont be able to go out of this directory" this describes like a chroot, and is not something you can configure with just useradd
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3862 [23:07:30] <teatime> FightingFalcon: you can add and modify users different ways, but the normal advice is to use adduser, and not use useradd directly
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3866 [23:08:45] <teatime> FightingFalcon: in this case "base directory" is a term useradd defines (in its config files and man page), and it means "directory where user home directories live".
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3870 [23:10:47] <annadane> i'm surprised it defines it itself and not as part of some standard
3871 [23:11:01] <annadane> but whatever, makes sense
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3887 [23:16:34] <muck> does the debian installer use VESA graphics?
3888 [23:17:07] <meshnet> looks like i need flashplugin-nonfree for debian 9 but no sources ?
3889 [23:17:12] <IamNoob> Hi. Need some help with usab external hdd.
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3891 [23:17:38] <IamNoob> It is detected and sda file is visible in /dev but it is not accessible
3892 [23:18:03] <IamNoob> Plz help me to resolve this issue.
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3894 [23:20:20] <IamNoob> anybody?
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3907 [23:23:56] <Qas> hello, is it ok to install python-webkit on stretch?
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3915 [23:24:48] <donald> Qas no sorry
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3919 [23:25:16] <Qas> donald why not?
3920 [23:25:31] <annadane> ,v python-webkit
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3922 [23:25:32] <judd> Package: python-webkit on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.8-2; jessie: 1.1.8-3
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3924 [23:25:44] <annadane> hmm, maybe the tracker says something
3925 [23:25:57] <annadane> one assumes it's been superceded by another package but not sure of its name
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3927 [23:26:10] <Qas> I need it as a dependency
3928 [23:27:18] <annadane> i guess it depends for what program; it's hard to give you advice on satisfying a dependency that doesn't exist in stretch such that it will recognize it as a dependency
3929 [23:27:22] <annadane> maybe someone else has a better idea
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3932 [23:29:02] <Qas> annadane, I see, thank you
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3934 [23:29:38] <annadane> like if you just need "a package" then you can compile from source but then telling the program that requires it that you have it is something i don't know about
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3942 [23:31:49] <annadane> if nobody answers you in here you can try the mailing list at debian-user@lists.debian.org
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3950 [23:34:55] <Qas> thank you, I will stay around
3951 [23:35:02] <Anyday> Got a quick question, I've done searching online with no luck. I'm trying to set my network interface from dhcp to a public static IP address. I edited /etc/network/interfaces to indicate static in and I gave the ip gateway all all the usually info . Everything I restart networking it doesn't use any of the static settings in the config file but just dhcp from the router
3952 [23:36:07] <annadane> Qas, maybe if you say what program people may be able to suggest alternatives
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3961 [23:40:55] <chomwitt> !dpkg
3962 [23:40:55] <dpkg> well, dpkg is the program used by Debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". Also ask me about <reference>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>.
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3964 [23:41:26] <chomwitt> !dpkgbot
3965 [23:41:26] <dpkg> Please visit replaced-url
3966 [23:41:37] <annadane> you can also /msg the bot to avoid channel spam
3967 [23:41:44] <chomwitt> sorry .. how can i see in private those bot messages?
3968 [23:41:49] <chomwitt> thanks!!
3969 [23:41:54] <annadane> /msg dpkg blah
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3971 [23:42:09] * chomwitt thanks annadane
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3984 [23:49:29] <chomwitt> is ,v a bot comand to see version package info ?
3985 [23:49:31] <Prrrrt> hehey
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3987 [23:49:48] <mnuhmnuh> chomwitt: yes, judd
3988 [23:50:10] <chomwitt> mnuhmnuh: another bot? not dpkg-bot?
3989 [23:50:36] <annadane> chomwitt, yeah ,v is judd
3990 [23:50:42] <annadane> in a private message though you can just type v
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3992 [23:50:52] <annadane> so /msg judd v foo
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3994 [23:50:53] <Prrrrt> dddoes anyone of you guys know about any hacking tutorials thats on the deepweb
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3996 [23:51:06] <annadane> Prrrrt, this isn't a channel for hacking
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3998 [23:51:11] <chomwitt> thanks!!
3999 [23:51:14] <mnuhmnuh> chomwitt: and some stuff works on freenet, some on oftc, keeping them straight between the alternatives is herding cats
4000 [23:51:20] <Prrrrt> okidokkie
4001 [23:51:27] <Prrrrt> annadane
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4003 [23:51:32] <annadane> you can learn how to hack with tutorials on the non-deep web anyway
4004 [23:51:35] <Prrrrt> then whats this room chat for
4005 [23:51:40] <annadane> for debian support
4006 [23:51:43] <teatime> Anyday: post your /etc/network/interfaces to the paste site. restarting networking doesn't always work like you expect, usually better to ifdown/ifup individual ifaces. what usually gets people is forgetting to ifdown *before* changing the config, which can confuse ifupdown, for obvious reasons if you think about it :)
4007 [23:51:45] <annadane> hence the name "debian" in #debian
4008 [23:52:01] <mnuhmnuh> Prrrrt: play w tails
4009 [23:52:01] <Prrrrt> thanks annadane
4010 [23:52:11] <Prrrrt> hah
4011 [23:52:13] <Prrrrt> haha
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4013 [23:53:21] <Prrrrt> bye bye guys
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4015 [23:53:23] <mnuhmnuh> Prrrrt: really. onion routered and dark webbed to death! works great if that's what you need/want. based on debian.
4016 [23:53:25] <Qas> annadane, I just went for it and installed..hope all will be fine :)
4017 [23:53:32] <Qas> thank you for your help!
4018 [23:53:48] <annadane> Qas, if you're mixing stretch with jessie/wheezy you're going to have a bad time
4019 [23:53:51] <annadane> !don't break debian
4020 [23:53:51] <dpkg> hmm... dont break debian is replaced-url
4021 [23:54:18] <muck> what might be the cause of X working fine during install, and white screening post-install?
4022 [23:54:31] <Qas> no, I used another suggestion that included alternative
4023 [23:54:38] <annadane> fair enough
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4025 [23:54:57] <mnuhmnuh> muck: diff between install disk and what gets installed, silly. :-)
4026 [23:55:22] <Prrrrt> how do I pm you mhmnuh
4027 [23:55:33] <Prrrrt> mnuhmnuh
4028 [23:55:35] <annadane> "/msg bots NOT people"
4029 [23:55:59] <annadane> but whatever, if you really want to then just /msg user blah
4030 [23:56:12] *** Quits: Darcidride (~Darcidrid@replaced-ip ) (Quit: Bye.)
4031 [23:56:20] <blackslide> ,v mount
4032 [23:56:21] <judd> Package: mount on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.20.1-5.3; jessie: 2.25.2-6; stretch: 2.29.2-1; buster: 2.30.2-0.1; sid: 2.30.2-0.1
4033 [23:57:19] *** Parts: Prrrrt (~ChickenWI@replaced-ip ) ("Leaving")
4034 [23:57:26] *** Quits: mel00010 (~mel00010@replaced-ip ) (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
4035 [23:58:17] <Anyday> Teatime: replaced-url
4036 [23:58:57] *** Joins: ralinux (~androirc@replaced-ip )
4037 [23:59:04] <blackslide> IamNoob, try: man mount
4038 [23:59:08] * mnuhmnuh only barely groks irc w irssi. me knows no dcc juju, mon.
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