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• 74[05:07:33] <fasle> Hey there, did anything change on stretch with installing Steam? I followed the steps on the Steam Debian page, but whatever I do steam does not find libGL.so.1. When I try `STEAM_RUNTIME=0 steam`, it reports missing: libGL.so.1, libva.so.1, libbz2.so.1.0, libvdpau.so.1, libva.so.1, libva-x11.so.1
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• 76[05:08:41] <fasle> My driver is libgl1-nvidia-legacy-340xx-glx
• 77[05:10:12] <awal1> I just added my user to libvirt and libvirt-qemu groups and all fine but 'groups' still doesn't list those groups
• 78[05:10:28] <awal1> how to update without logging outfrom X
• 79[05:10:36] <rant> fasle: sounds like your display driver is not properly installed.. you'd probably see evidence of this in the Xorg log as well.
• 80[05:10:44] <fasle> will check
• 81[05:12:06] <rant> awal1: group memberships only change on login.. you can simulate a login in a terminal with su or such but to get your whole X session to have those perms you need to logout
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• 83[05:13:11] <themill> or newgrp
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• 85[05:14:39] <awal1> rant, virt-manager starts with errors before adding my user to libvirt and libvirt-qemu groups. now it starts fine, just 'groups' doesn't list my user as belonged to those groups. so " group memberships only change on login"?
• 86[05:14:49] <awal1> I don't get that
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• 88[05:15:36] <awal1> hm, never heard about newgrp
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• 91[05:19:14] <themill> be careful, any files created within the 'newgrp' shell will be in the group you've specified not your default group
• 92[05:19:41] <awal1> ok
• 93[05:21:17] <CannedSpinach> is it worth trying to run dpkg-buildpackage multiple times or if it fails once there's something wrong?
• 94[05:21:23] <awal1> I have troubles with my vbox buggy (sid) and trying to switch to qemu-kvm
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• 98[05:23:37] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 100[05:24:16] <awal1> I am not really aware about vbox or qemu-kvm or virtualization in general; I just know basics
• 101[05:24:33] <awal1> not sure if what the guy says in that link is correct
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• 103[05:25:50] <ChmEarl> CannedSpinach, you can restart your build with more granularity with: fakeroot debian/rules <target>, where the default is binary
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• 106[05:26:42] <ChmEarl> Canned and using more stamps can help
• 107[05:26:46] <awal1> if I kick out vbox, my debian will really be free of contrib and non-free stuff
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• 112[05:29:30] <Sveta> Thought vbox was packaged.
• 113[05:29:56] <Sveta> Ah, it's in contrib.
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• 116[05:32:08] <themill> requires non-free compiler
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• 125[05:37:28] <fasle> rant: Thanks turns out I must have installed some 304 and not 340 libs.... can login now.
• 126[05:37:39] <fasle> Xorg log was the way to go
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• 150[05:53:12] <awal1> I guess I have to report a bug about virtualbox because I get same warning replaced-url
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• 155[05:55:19] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 157[05:57:16] <themill> is the module loaded?
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• 164[06:01:48] <awal1> themil, lsmod doesn't list it
• 165[06:02:07] <awal1> doesn't list vboxvdr
• 166[06:02:46] <awal1> last night I reinstalled virtualbox-dkms and did modprob vboxvdr and I got module not found or something like that
• 167[06:03:56] <awal1> I thought I 'll be able to import my vbox debian guest to qemu-kvm easilly; looks like that bug won't let me
• 168[06:03:56] <blob> awal1: did it start after installing guest additions?
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• 170[06:04:41] <CannedSpinach> what's the significance of this error message in dpkg-buildpackage? debian/rules:100: recipe for target 'override_dh_auto_install' failed
• 171[06:04:44] <themill> awal1: what does modprobe say? or dmesg. (Are you sure that the module is even built)
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• 174[06:05:02] <themill> CannedSpinach: that's where the error is
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• 176[06:05:49] <blob> awal1: you installed dkms linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential ?
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• 181[06:08:08] <awal1> blob, I had virtualbox-guest-additions-iso installed, almost for get full screen mode for guests but i removed after realizing that -guest-utils and -guest-X11 (in main) already does the job. I had no issues removing guest-additions; problem started after last virtualbox upgrade; not sure what changed exactly
• 182[06:08:26] <awal1> themill, modprobe vboxvdr returns modprobe: FATAL: Module vboxvdr not found in directory /lib/modules/4.14.0-3-amd64
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• 190[06:11:32] <themill> rebuilding it either with dpkg-reconfigure or «dkms build vboxdrv» (from memory) should tell you why/why not
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• 192[06:11:51] <blob> apt-get install dkms virtualbox-dkms ?
• 193[06:12:08] <CannedSpinach> themill: is there another way to build that can avoid this error? sorry I'm illiterate with these kinds of errors
• 194[06:12:19] <CannedSpinach> just trying to build samba since there's a broken package
• 195[06:12:23] <themill> CannedSpinach: no, you get to fix it
• 196[06:12:34] <themill> broken in what way?
• 197[06:12:55] <CannedSpinach> idk honestly
• 198[06:13:05] <CannedSpinach> I posted my error a few places and most people said it seemed like a broken package
• 199[06:13:25] <CannedSpinach> replaced-url
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• 201[06:17:00] <themill> CannedSpinach: what distro and what hardware is this on and where is the package from?
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• 203[06:17:37] <awal1> blob, themill, I tried to reinstall all vbox pkgs I see errors replaced-url
• 204[06:17:49] <awal1> already did last night ...
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• 207[06:18:54] <themill> awal1: what's in /var/lib/dkms/virtualbox/5.2.4/build/make.log ?
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• 209[06:20:35] <CannedSpinach> themill: raspbian (debian 9.3) raspberry pi and apt-get
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• 211[06:20:51] <themill> CannedSpinach: is the samba package from debian or from raspbian?
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• 213[06:20:59] <awal1> very slow internet here, sorry
• 214[06:21:02] <awal1> themill replaced-url
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• 216[06:22:45] <blob> please install libelf-dev, libelf-devel or elfutils-libelf-devel
• 217[06:23:18] <awal1> themill, google translate replaced-url
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• 220[06:23:35] <awal1> blob, no for me I believe :P
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• 222[06:23:39] <themill> looks like #886743
• 223[06:23:40] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 224[06:23:54] <awal1> oh, for me
• 225[06:24:02] <themill> (what blob said and what your own log said)
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• 228[06:24:07] <awal1> ok, I check the bug
• 229[06:24:12] <blob> yeah, that was copy/paste from your log :)
• 230[06:24:13] <CannedSpinach> themill: I assume it's from raspbian. I thought it was both though, I didn't know there was a difference as far as packages are concerned.
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• 232[06:24:48] <CannedSpinach> I guess it makes sense that just the Raspbian package is broken since there would be more of a fuss if Debian was hosting a broken package.
• 233[06:25:14] <themill> CannedSpinach: unlikely it is actually broken but in any case, if the samba daemon is segfaulting that sounds like the sort of thing that would be fixed by the raspbian people and you should ask them about it and also about how they build their packages.
• 234[06:25:17] <awal1> blob, themill, ok, thank you for helping me to debug; I will check the bug and check what I have to do. thanks :)
• 235[06:26:35] <CannedSpinach> themill: I made a post on the RPi forums. not sure how to get in contact with those folks. thanks though.
• 236[06:27:03] <themill> #raspbian exists
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• 239[06:27:24] <CannedSpinach> will probably check it out later
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• 241[06:27:41] <CannedSpinach> feels kind of bad going on this wild goose hunt for something as simple as a samba server though
• 242[06:27:44] <CannedSpinach> shrug
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• 244[06:27:59] <themill> there's nothing simple about samba
• 245[06:28:10] <blob> CannedSpinach: if the central package doesn't work, you could try to download the source and build/install it yourself?
• 246[06:28:21] <CannedSpinach> blob: yeah that was the origin of this conversation
• 247[06:28:29] <CannedSpinach> building the traditional way failed repeatedly
• 248[06:28:57] <themill> bad smb.conf can also cause samba segfaults btw
• 249[06:29:17] <CannedSpinach> hmm
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• 251[06:29:34] <CannedSpinach> let me see if I can't find a healthy smb.conf to test with
• 252[06:30:06] <themill> systemd will also keep more details about the segfault such as what binary it occurred in and that can help pin it down
• 253[06:30:32] <Rusty1_> there is also #samba ...
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• 256[06:32:07] <CannedSpinach> Rusty1_: been there
• 257[06:32:21] <CannedSpinach> they were the ones who originally suggested it was a bad package
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• 262[06:33:23] <CannedSpinach> themill: pretty sure it was the conf file that screwed it up.
• 263[06:33:46] <CannedSpinach> just installed it successfully again.
• 264[06:34:06] <CannedSpinach> it's too bad I'll have to go mess with the conf file again when I want to get a fileserver working though, heh
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• 266[06:35:16] <blob> I recall there was a util for validating samba config files...
• 267[06:35:47] <blob> replaced-url
• 268[06:35:54] <CannedSpinach> nice
• 269[06:35:54] <CannedSpinach> thanks
• 270[06:36:17] <CannedSpinach> is there a util for making samba documentation read like plain english?
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• 274[06:37:13] <blob> CannedSpinach: testparm /etc/samba/smb.conf
• 275[06:37:13] <blob> :P
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• 281[06:40:34] <Sveta> CannedSpinach, if man pages are too technical for your level, check /usr/share/doc/samba/* for additional references
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• 295[06:52:03] <rant> yes there is also the samba-doc package which contains O'Reilly's Using Samba guide.. though there are some inaccuracies in that.. mostly in the explaination of logging features
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• 304[07:03:37] <jim> anything we can do about spectre yet?
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• 308[07:08:06] <darxmurf> wait... :D
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• 310[07:08:27] <darxmurf> or have a drink and watch the word burn
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• 319[07:17:54] <mnuhmnuh> CannedSpinach: tempted to suggest chef.
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• 323[07:20:15] <mnuhmnuh> cat "samba documentation" | chef ? it'd be fun.
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• 326[07:21:59] <mnuhmnuh> jim: panic, apparently.
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• 333[07:25:58] <darxmurf> damn, finally ended this game: replaced-url
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• 341[07:34:51] <mnuhmnuh> darxmurf: solution is not to begin. imo.
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• 344[07:36:31] <darxmurf> well, I failed, I started the first one... I had to finish
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• 391[08:02:44] <Haohmaru> what should i do if an "apt-get upgrade" did not finish successifully and i've rebooted?
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• 394[08:03:22] <Haohmaru> because now when i'm redoing it - there are issues with package dependancies or somethin'
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• 397[08:04:20] <darxmurf> apt-get install -f
• 398[08:04:24] <darxmurf> this can fix things
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• 400[08:05:00] <darxmurf> but why did you reboot after a non successfull apt-get upgrade ? Oo
• 401[08:05:15] <kopper> You didn't fail to upgrade anything critical to boot?
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• 403[08:06:50] <Haohmaru> i surely did, i'm logged into it now via a debian live usb stick and "chroot" thing
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• 407[08:07:25] <Haohmaru> it's a debian 8 btw
• 408[08:07:41] <Haohmaru> so, apt-get install -f and then retry the "upgrade" ?
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• 411[08:08:08] <darxmurf> yep
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• 413[08:08:11] <darxmurf> then dist-upgrade
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• 415[08:08:26] <Haohmaru> that would turn it into debian 9 ?
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• 417[08:08:42] <darxmurf> only if you updated your apt conf file
• 418[08:08:52] <darxmurf> you want to upgrade to 9 ?
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• 420[08:08:56] <Haohmaru> uh, i've not touched it
• 421[08:08:57] <towo^work> apt -f install would not help many, if there was a reboot after a broken update
• 422[08:09:17] <darxmurf> so, first try apt-get -f install
• 423[08:09:30] <towo^work> dpkg --configure -a is the way you have to go
• 424[08:09:31] <Haohmaru> what does the "dist-upgrade" do?
• 425[08:09:31] <dpkg> towo^work: what are you talking about?
• 426[08:09:38] <darxmurf> apt-get update first
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• 428[08:10:00] <darxmurf> towo^work: if it's only a missing dependency it can help
• 429[08:10:11] <towo^work> not after a reboot
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• 431[08:10:19] <Haohmaru> many reboots even
• 432[08:10:21] <darxmurf> Haohmaru: it upgrades some other packages like kernel
• 433[08:10:31] <darxmurf> damn you cumulate things mate :-/
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• 436[08:11:07] <darxmurf> so, apt-get update, then apt-get install -f, then if all looks ok, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
• 437[08:11:41] * Haohmaru looks at towo^work ..
• 438[08:11:56] <darxmurf> look at your keyboard first
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• 440[08:12:12] <Haohmaru> i did, it's gray-ish
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• 445[08:12:47] <darxmurf> so, run your apt-get stuff, what's the result ?
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• 453[08:17:09] <Haohmaru> "install -f" says there are two packages that are no longer needed, a bunch of "suggested" packages (some weird fonts), one package needs to be installed (looks like the one with the broken dependancies), and 283 packages "not fully installed or removed"
• 454[08:17:48] <darxmurf> so, say yes, it will install the things,
• 455[08:18:02] <darxmurf> did you apt-get update first ?
• 456[08:18:23] <Haohmaru> also, it's a 32bit debian, and i think it was installed from a lxde-live iso
• 457[08:18:30] <Haohmaru> yes
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• 461[08:19:25] <darxmurf> well 32/64 does not change the way you install your packages
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• 464[08:20:16] <Haohmaru> but i think it might be full of weird packages due to the "live" installer
• 465[08:20:31] <Haohmaru> debian9 live had very weird packages
• 466[08:20:34] <darxmurf> why ?
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• 469[08:21:15] <darxmurf> for a server you don't need a graphical manager, this will obviously remove a lot of things
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• 473[08:21:49] <Haohmaru> again i get warnings "possibly missing firmware /somethingsomething/rtl_nic/..."
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• 475[08:22:13] <Haohmaru> the desktop is lxde so IMO that doesn't hurt too much
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• 477[08:22:28] <Haohmaru> it uses like 250-ish MB if someone actually logs into it
• 478[08:22:29] <darxmurf> could you paste the content of your /etc/apt/sources.list in replaced-url
• 479[08:22:52] <darxmurf> my servers are in a datacenter without a screen plugged on...
• 480[08:23:02] <darxmurf> no screen, no graphical interface
• 481[08:23:05] <darxmurf> anyway
• 482[08:23:08] <Haohmaru> hm, hold on
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• 484[08:23:56] <darxmurf> and give the link here then obviously
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• 487[08:25:42] <Haohmaru> blah, no irc client in the live image
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• 491[08:26:50] <darxmurf> oh wait but you are running a live image ?
• 492[08:26:59] <Haohmaru> yes
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• 494[08:27:14] <Haohmaru> because otherwise it fails to boot
• 495[08:27:15] <darxmurf> but why are you talking about apt-get upgrades then ?
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• 498[08:27:34] <Haohmaru> did i messed things up now?
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• 500[08:28:05] <darxmurf> No but you ran the apt-get upgrade directly from the shell in the live debian ?
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• 503[08:28:17] <Haohmaru> replaced-url
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• 505[08:28:34] <Haohmaru> darxmurf no, i did this "chroot" thing yesterday
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• 507[08:28:39] <darxmurf> ah okay
• 508[08:29:36] <darxmurf> edit your source.list and add: "contrib non-free" after all "main" then save
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• 512[08:30:18] <Haohmaru> meanwhile, "install -f" finished
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• 514[08:30:49] <darxmurf> then apt-get update, then apt-get install firmware-realtek firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free
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• 516[08:31:15] <darxmurf> this will probably sort out your "missing firmware"
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• 520[08:32:48] <darxmurf> this is how your source.list shoud looks like
• 521[08:32:50] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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• 524[08:33:50] <darxmurf> and by the way, what you have to do first is to fix your boot, then reboot your machine (without the live CD) and continue from the normal system
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• 526[08:34:21] <darxmurf> you are in bulgaria it's right ?
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• 528[08:34:27] <darxmurf> or around
• 529[08:34:33] <Haohmaru> i don't know how to fix it so it boots
• 530[08:34:40] <Haohmaru> yes
• 531[08:34:59] <darxmurf> okay
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• 533[08:36:02] <Haohmaru> i got "E: cannot write log, is /dev/pts mounted?"
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• 536[08:36:49] <darxmurf> ?
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• 539[08:37:04] <Haohmaru> okay, the realtek stuff finished, the last stuff i see mentions "update-initramfs"
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• 541[08:37:40] <Haohmaru> what's next? "upgrade" ?
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• 543[08:38:03] <darxmurf> did you try to fix your boot with grub-install/update-grub ?
• 544[08:38:10] <Haohmaru> no
• 545[08:38:45] <Haohmaru> since i "chroot"ed, i've only done apt-get stuff, and editting the sources.list and this stuff now
• 546[08:38:52] <darxmurf> okay
• 547[08:39:26] <darxmurf> what's the result when you simply launch update-grub ?
• 548[08:40:28] <darxmurf> from chroot obviously
• 549[08:41:12] <darxmurf> oh and did you mount all the things correctly before to chroot ?
• 550[08:41:19] <Haohmaru> "blah blah, found linux image blahblah-686-pae, found initrd image blahblah-686-pae, done"
• 551[08:42:05] <Haohmaru> i did the steps as they were written by one of the bots here
• 552[08:42:09] <darxmurf> okay
• 553[08:42:31] <darxmurf> I assume your main hard disk is /dev/sda ? it's where grub was installed ?
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• 555[08:42:45] <Haohmaru> yes
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• 557[08:43:30] <darxmurf> then launch grub-install /dev/sda
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• 559[08:44:11] <Haohmaru> k
• 560[08:44:24] <darxmurf> then sync
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• 563[08:44:36] <darxmurf> then reboot and try to boot on your system without the live CD
• 564[08:44:40] <Haohmaru> done, no errors
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• 567[08:47:21] <Haohmaru> yey, it reached teh desktop
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• 569[08:47:45] <darxmurf> I would say, it's logical...
• 570[08:48:08] <darxmurf> it's still your old laptop machine ?
• 571[08:48:21] <darxmurf> you don't have something else to replace it in parallel ?
• 572[08:48:51] <Haohmaru> it's not mine.. this thing has been put together by a collegue, and i think it's butchered from a laptop
• 573[08:49:02] <Haohmaru> with something like 1.5GB RAM
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• 576[08:49:09] <darxmurf> ...
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• 580[08:50:49] <Haohmaru> it's stuffed inside a metal case from some set-top-box device or so, with holes drilled for usb ports/vga, and a funny industrial push button for power button, no reset button
• 581[08:50:59] <darxmurf> And here I have 6 machines built with two 6 cores XEONS and 64GB Ram each I will recycle because nobody want's them as they are too old...
• 582[08:51:31] <Haohmaru> 64GB RAM? maan, this is maaadnesss
• 583[08:51:43] <darxmurf> then new one got 128Gb
• 584[08:51:48] <Haohmaru> x_x
• 585[08:52:05] <darxmurf> serious computation :D
• 586[08:52:31] <Haohmaru> so, once it's back to "working" and even desktop is usable, i can continue to carefully do stuff with it via synaptic, right?
• 587[08:52:40] <darxmurf> yes or apt
• 588[08:53:10] <Haohmaru> i'll use synaptic to see a list of installed stuff, and if there are those weird ones imma remove em
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• 590[08:53:31] <Haohmaru> thanks much!
• 591[08:53:37] <darxmurf> but what I suggest is: keep this machine like this if it works. Then find another machine a bit more serious, install a clean debian 9 on it from an installer, not from a live CD, then reinstall samba and all you need and copy the files from the old machine
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• 595[08:54:04] <darxmurf> and by the way, use UNIX file systems, not NTFS :-)
• 596[08:54:11] <Haohmaru> yes, this machine cannot remain like this
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• 598[08:54:26] <Haohmaru> the actual shared partition has issues
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• 600[08:54:39] <darxmurf> do you have backups of this machine ?
• 601[08:55:23] <darxmurf> oh and of course, if you install a new machine, try to put at least a RAID 1 inside for your disks...
• 602[08:55:31] <Haohmaru> not full backups, i got individual config files of some of the complicated things i had to configure, like the samba, the ircd, the vnc
• 603[08:56:03] <Haohmaru> but i've forgotten.. it was long ago.. this machine was installed 2 or 3 times before this
• 604[08:56:16] <Haohmaru> there's only one disk
• 605[08:56:47] <darxmurf> damn... I don't know what's your business but I whish your disk will keep running...
• 606[08:57:20] <darxmurf> disks are cheap, buy 2, install a RAID 1 in a real computer and reinstall your server on that with more RAM
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• 608[08:57:31] <Haohmaru> this guy who put it together is no longer part of our team
• 609[08:57:45] <Haohmaru> he and one more guy insisted on the NTFS thing
• 610[08:57:51] <Haohmaru> the other guy is still here tho ;P~
• 611[08:58:25] <darxmurf> you can tell him he is lucky to still have his files on this partition
• 612[08:58:40] <Haohmaru> thing is, he doesn't have important files on there
• 613[08:58:43] <Haohmaru> most of them are mine
• 614[08:58:46] <Haohmaru> ;P~
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• 616[08:59:16] <Haohmaru> wowz, did i say that out loud
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• 683[09:45:45] <earl_fas> hi
• 684[09:45:48] <earl_fas> everyone
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• 687[09:46:30] <darxmurf> hi
• 688[09:47:52] <earl_fas> What distribution do you use?
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• 691[09:48:13] <darxmurf> on which channel are you ? :-)
• 692[09:48:36] <SirNeo> Windows 98SE
• 693[09:49:20] <earl_fas> I use debian 9.3 gnome
• 694[09:49:43] <earl_fas> where are you come from?
• 695[09:49:43] <f4cl3y> Mixed, Gentoo/Debian/Arch
• 696[09:50:08] <darxmurf> welcome to the AD (Anonymous Debianists)
• 697[09:50:49] <earl_fas> I mixed, win7/debian
• 698[09:51:13] <eck> i'm using AmigaOS it works ok
• 699[09:51:22] <earl_fas> Which system do you think is good?
• 700[09:51:35] <darxmurf> damn... brb
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• 705[09:52:32] <jelly> earl_fas: this channel is used primarily for tech support, if you want to chat, #debian-offtopic is a better place for that (contrast with ##linux which allows any kind of linux-related talk, not just support)
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• 711[09:55:12] <earl_fas> yeah,ok,i am sorry,just one minute
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• 758[10:13:06] <FinalX> question: is Meltdown fixed in a jessie backports kernel? we have machines running 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+2
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• 760[10:13:17] <FinalX> oh, changelog should be able to tell
• 761[10:13:26] <petn-randall> FinalX: Was about to say :)
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• 769[10:16:33] * mnuhmnuh boring.
• 770[10:16:33] <FinalX> seems so :)
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• 774[10:21:07] <temy> How can I map the Super key in XFCE to open the Applications menu?
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• 782[10:26:34] <moldy> hi
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• 787[10:30:33] <jim> hi
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• 797[10:35:59] <jim> temy, you might want to assign this super key to another key so you have access to it
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• 801[10:37:24] <temy> jim: I already got an answer at #xfce, but thanks anyway :)
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• 808[10:40:07] <DarkStar1> Hi everyone. I am having an issue with libicu in stretch. It's required for the compilation of LibreOffice but the compilation fails due with the following error message: replaced-url
• 809[10:40:31] <DarkStar1> It sees this problem haas happened before: replaced-url
• 810[10:40:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 812[10:40:47] <DarkStar1> but that was 4 years-ish ago
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• 815[10:43:25] <BlessJah> Shouldn't kernel 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 report bugs:cpu_insecure in /proc/cpuinfo on Intel Xeon?
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• 817[10:43:52] <DarkStar1> Is there a way to find out which commit of harfbuzz(-icu) is used to compile replaced-url
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• 819[10:44:22] <babilen> BlessJah: No, that's not part of that patch series
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• 821[10:44:50] <babilen> (for 4.9)
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• 823[10:45:30] <BlessJah> is patches on 4.9 as good as it's on 4.14, or should I consider changing?
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• 825[10:46:34] <babilen> I'd personally run 4.14 if a patched one has made it into backports
• 826[10:46:55] <babilen> But it really depends on the workload and I would test it - What kind of system is this?
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• 829[10:47:26] <BlessJah> NFS for backups
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• 832[10:49:02] <earl_fas> hi
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• 834[10:49:35] <babilen> BlessJah: 4.9 should be perfectly fine in terms of this patch series
• 835[10:49:42] <BlessJah> kk, thanks
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• 855[10:59:08] <jim> temy, np
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• 884[11:13:04] <turlando> Hello everybody
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• 887[11:13:38] <zprd> hi debian people
• 888[11:13:41] <turlando> I'm trying to rebuild a debian package and I'm having a hard time finding the sources for debian packages
• 889[11:13:47] <turlando> Can somebody give me some pointer?
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• 892[11:14:06] <zprd> sources or resources?
• 893[11:14:11] <Drzacek> Hello
• 894[11:14:26] <themill> turlando: apt-get source exists for a reason
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• 897[11:15:14] <Drzacek> A friend of mine told me about something called "meltdown" and "spectre". Has debian been patched already, or do I have to do something by myself?
• 898[11:15:30] <zprd> yes
• 899[11:15:50] <zprd> a reboot if not yet done
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• 901[11:16:10] <temy> Only meltdown yet
• 902[11:16:19] <turlando> themill, zprd: what I'm trying to achieve is repackaging a Java (sigh) application already present in the debian repos, but from a different upstream, can apt-get source and dpkg-buildpackage do the trick?
• 903[11:16:22] <temy> Spectre is still being worked on
• 904[11:16:23] <zprd> (if you update frequently)
• 905[11:16:53] <Drzacek> zprd, just started my pc first after 2 weeks
• 906[11:16:59] <temy> (I updated my repos, so I am sure the patch for Spectre is not yet done)
• 907[11:17:18] <zprd> Drzacek: well apt update , upgrade reboot
• 908[11:17:30] <Drzacek> updating now
• 909[11:17:34] <themill> turlando: what are you really trying to achieve here?
• 910[11:17:48] <Drzacek> is the patch in new kernel image?
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• 912[11:18:05] <temy> Also, prepare for your machine to suffer from performance loss, but you can disable the separation of the user and kernel in boot time
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• 916[11:18:35] <turlando> themill do you need more info?
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• 918[11:18:52] <temy> Mitigating Spectre will really impact performance, heard about the iPhone 6 suffering performance loss due to a patch against Spectre?
• 919[11:18:53] <Drzacek> temy, so I heard. I hope it won't be very noticeable
• 920[11:19:02] <zprd> Drzacek: on going work replaced-url
• 921[11:19:29] <Drzacek> temy, iphone 6 is suffering performance losses after EACH update, sooo
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• 923[11:19:43] <themill> turlando: yes, dealing with hypotheitcals is tedious and much harder than a concrete example
• 924[11:19:52] <temy> Mitigating Meltdown, I don't notice any performance loss in my laptop
• 925[11:19:52] <temy> So probably it's Spectre
• 926[11:20:27] <turlando> themill I'm building a Debian image for AWS and I need to ship a Java software with that, but I don't want to just unpack the whole thing in /opt and forget about it, I would really like to make a debian package
• 927[11:20:56] <turlando> The software we're talking about is zookeeper, which is already present in the repos, but I want to be able to build the package from sources
• 928[11:20:56] <temy> Drzacek: Debian said there may be a performance impact, so it's still caused by the patch
• 929[11:20:56] <zprd> temy: no noticable perf loss for 'regular' desktop usage
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• 931[11:21:15] <zprd> not yet :D
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• 933[11:21:33] <themill> turlando: what is it though?
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• 935[11:21:44] <turlando> themill sorry?
• 936[11:21:52] <temy> Even when I am synchronizing with the dogecoin network using bootstrap.dat, I still don't see any difference
• 937[11:21:57] <themill> "a Java application"
• 938[11:22:08] <turlando> themill >The software we're talking about is zookeeper, which is already present in the repos, but I want to be able to build the package from sources
• 939[11:22:09] <temy> zprd: It's still slow as intended
• 940[11:22:23] <zprd> question: docker.io is no more in stretch, any prefered way to install docker?
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• 942[11:22:44] <themill> turlando: with different options or a different version?
• 943[11:22:55] <turlando> themill different version for now
• 944[11:23:14] <temy> zprd: You can use jessie's repo and lower jessie's priority
• 945[11:23:16] <themill> you're allowed to tell me which one
• 946[11:23:52] <temy> zprd: That way you can still run Stretch with Jessie-exclusive software
• 947[11:24:00] <turlando> themill we're already using 2.4.9 in production and for now I want to stick with that but in the very near future we'll need to upgrade to the latest stable
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• 949[11:24:28] <turlando> themill, I managed to make a very clean and nice work repackaging the Java version we're using with make-jpkg and I'd like to do something similar for zookeeper
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• 951[11:24:44] <themill> turlando: so trying to go backwards to a much older version. (there's a first for everything!)
• 952[11:25:09] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped working, Seems some sound card issue > My initial troubleshooting didn't worked, for driver details see this please : replaced-url
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• 955[11:25:35] <zprd> temy: ok, thx. but that will keep me from updating jenkins, who complains about the old version of docker 1.6
• 956[11:25:36] <themill> turlando: you can start with the existing debian packaging for zookeeper but there's a good chance that it won't work for such a large version difference. It might be easier to package it from scratch, taking inspiration from the debian package where you can
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• 958[11:25:57] <zprd> (needs at least 1.7 I think)
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• 960[11:26:26] <themill> turlando: if you can currently compile it with make (or ant or similar) then "checkinstall" might be the easiest way to get a .deb that you can copy around
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• 962[11:26:55] <turlando> thanks a lot themill, I'll check that
• 963[11:26:57] <temy> zprd: This Serverfault question might help you: replaced-url
• 964[11:27:35] <turlando> themill On freebsd I could grab the make file and tweak it a bit, I was trying to understand which is the best way of doing such a thing in debian
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• 966[11:27:52] <temy> Just don't use testing and sid if you don't want them, just use oldstable
• 967[11:28:18] <themill> turlando: not really true. If the makefile was designed for such a wildly different version it wouldn't magically work
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• 969[11:28:46] <zprd> o/
• 970[11:28:52] <themill> turlando: 3.2.2 was the earliest version of zookeeper that was packaged and 2.4.9 could be compiling different binaries, putting files/libraries/resources in different places etc
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• 974[11:30:32] <turlando> themill I'm not expecting it to work automagically :)
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• 998[11:40:08] <goooo> hey
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• 1001[11:40:31] <goooo> is this possible to check the lsit ofall clients which connected (in the past) via bluetooth?
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• 1006[11:43:25] <gpunk> maybe in syslog
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• 1008[11:44:23] <JustASlacker> doubt it
• 1009[11:44:45] <JustASlacker> might be in syslog
• 1010[11:44:49] <gpunk> worth a check, look at the files in /var/log
• 1011[11:45:03] <JustASlacker> but depending how long ago, it might already be rotated away
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• 1089[12:14:41] <turtlehat> hello, i was wondering, if i from hostA have an ssh session1 with hostB, can log in a second time from hostA and view ongoings of session1 in realtime?
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• 1095[12:16:09] <gpunk> short answer, is no ...
• 1096[12:16:24] <gpunk> but you can use the screen program
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• 1100[12:17:46] <turtlehat> but does that involve starting session1 with screen, or can i use screen after the fact to peek in an already running session?
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• 1102[12:18:12] <gpunk> no, u need screen already runing
• 1103[12:18:20] <turtlehat> right
• 1104[12:18:24] <indistylo> All of sudden my audio stopped working, it say "Dummy output" Seems some sound card issue > My initial troubleshooting didn't worked, for driver details see this please : replaced-url
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• 1108[12:19:11] <turtlehat> i was hoping i could output to both sessions
• 1109[12:19:14] <turtlehat> sort of like tee
• 1110[12:19:49] <turtlehat> but after the fact
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• 1136[12:28:35] <Iridos> I was wondering why I couldn't install a thunderbird language package, then noticed I don't have the latest version from security.d.o and upgrades just do nothing… and finally I found that it is indeed pinned to a specific version and that apparently apt-listbugs did that: replaced-url
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• 1138[12:29:22] <Iridos> I guess that apt-listbugs asked me if I would want to install the version with that bug and I said "n"
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• 1141[12:29:45] <Iridos> but I wasn't aware that it would pin the package on that version… pretty much forever?
• 1142[12:29:51] <Iridos> How is that mechanism supposed to work?
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• 1147[12:31:32] <Kelsar> Hi, since the last Kernel Update on Jessie /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean segfaults, funny enough called with sh -x /usr/lib/php5/sessionclean it does not.
• 1148[12:31:36] <Iridos> It looks like I am supposed to remove that file manually… but as I wasn't even aware that it's pinned, that doesn't seem like a very good procedure
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• 1151[12:33:00] <FinalX> anyone know from the top of their head what kernel flag to use to disable the kernel/user page isolation patch when it's enabled due to having a vulnerable CPU?
• 1152[12:33:02] <Iridos> maybe sessionclean has #!/bin/bash … and it's fine when you execute it in dash
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• 1154[12:33:27] <Iridos> I don't see a sessionclean in debian repos… is it possible that that's from dotdeb?
• 1155[12:34:16] <FinalX> it does come from debian's own php5-common
• 1156[12:34:36] <FinalX> or at least, the original debian package has it. not sure if dotdeb does, too.
• 1157[12:35:01] <FinalX> (it's working fine for us, though)
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• 1159[12:35:32] <FinalX> ...but we're running that in LXC-containers, and the host is Ubuntu, not Debian (and thus not jessie).
• 1160[12:36:29] <FinalX> ah, nopti is the kernel flag
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• 1162[12:37:42] <koollman> FinalX: pti=off, I think
• 1163[12:37:55] <koollman> but there are variations in the patches ...
• 1164[12:38:24] <FinalX> oh
• 1165[12:38:59] <koollman> actually both should work
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• 1170[12:40:38] <Kelsar> Iridos: should be in php-common as far as i searched. it happens with any shell that way, with -x ok, without segfault. looks likeome timing thing
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• 1172[12:41:01] <koollman> I do not know where to find the debian patch/doc online
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• 1177[12:42:30] <koollman> replaced-url
• 1178[12:42:31] <Kelsar> and the other server is wheezy... i just noticed
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• 1180[12:44:32] <koollman> Kelsar: basically, look for 'Kernel/User page tables isolation' in dmesg
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• 1184[12:45:51] <Kelsar> koollman: was just doing that, funny enough it is not there, atleast on the 1st, checking the others
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• 1186[12:46:36] <Kelsar> the wheezy one has it
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• 1192[12:48:31] <Kelsar> oh, nvm that one has not that problem... just slipped into the mails from the others...
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• 1196[12:51:48] <Kelsar> ok, there was a php update yesterday too
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• 1206[12:57:49] <Kelsar> simple strace, segfault with not enough information, strace with -f runs fine...
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• 1217[13:04:41] <shtrb> should HDMI work during grub menu ?
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• 1219[13:05:40] <tmm88> hey guys
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• 1221[13:05:50] <tmm88> how do i install poco 1.6.0 on debian
• 1222[13:05:50] <tmm88> ?
• 1223[13:05:53] <tmm88> thank you
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• 1225[13:06:53] <gpunk> a library ?
• 1226[13:06:58] <tmm88> yes
• 1227[13:07:05] <tmm88> but i need an old version
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• 1229[13:07:11] <shtrb> ,v poco
• 1230[13:07:12] <judd> No package named 'poco' was found in amd64.
• 1231[13:07:13] <tmm88> namely poco 1.6.0
• 1232[13:07:23] <gpunk> ,v libpoco
• 1233[13:07:24] <judd> No package named 'libpoco' was found in amd64.
• 1234[13:07:30] <tmm88> there is i was already able to install it
• 1235[13:07:36] <tmm88> but i need version 1.6.0
• 1236[13:07:42] <gpunk> ,v libpoco-dev
• 1237[13:07:43] <judd> Package: libpoco-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.3.6p1-4; wheezy-security: 1.3.6p1-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.3.6p1-5; stretch: 1.7.6+dfsg1-5; buster: 1.8.0.1-1; sid: 1.8.0.1-1
• 1238[13:07:44] <tmm88> because the current version
• 1239[13:07:54] <tmm88> is not compatible with openssl
• 1240[13:07:58] <shtrb> there is no 1.6 in deb repos
• 1241[13:08:20] <gpunk> :(
• 1242[13:08:35] <tmm88> so is there a way to add an externall ppa
• 1243[13:08:37] <tmm88> to fix this
• 1244[13:08:39] <shtrb> tmm88, are you ready to backport 1.6 and push it to wheezy ?
• 1245[13:08:41] <shtrb> ppa?!?!
• 1246[13:08:43] <tmm88> and install the version 1.6
• 1247[13:08:53] <shtrb> !ubuntu
• 1248[13:08:53] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
• 1249[13:08:54] <tmm88> or deb package
• 1250[13:08:55] <gpunk> ppa is for ubuntu
• 1251[13:09:12] <tmm88> ok
• 1252[13:09:14] <tmm88> i see it
• 1253[13:09:24] <tmm88> so how can i add a deb package
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• 1255[13:09:30] <gpunk> you could get the source, and compile it ...
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• 1257[13:09:39] <tmm88> /etc/pat
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• 1259[13:09:40] <shtrb> tmm88, can you verify if 1.7 or 1.3 work for you ?
• 1260[13:10:05] <tmm88> shtrb: i will get the source of 1.6.0 and compile it
• 1261[13:10:07] <tmm88> thank you
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• 1266[13:12:02] <jelly> tmm88: what do you mean, not compatible with openssl?
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• 1268[13:12:08] <jelly> ,depends libpoconetssl46
• 1269[13:12:09] <judd> Package libpoconetssl46 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libpocofoundation46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpococrypto46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpoconet46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libpocoutil46 (= 1.7.6+dfsg1-5), libc6 (>= 2.14), libgcc1 (>= 1:3.0), libssl1.1 (>= 1.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 5.2).
• 1270[13:12:26] <jelly> this thing is built against openssl 1.1
• 1271[13:12:51] <tmm88> yes but i need the openssl version compatible with openframeworks
• 1272[13:13:05] <tmm88> to be able to compile openframeworks examples properly on linux
• 1273[13:13:19] <tmm88> otherwise they won't compiel
• 1274[13:13:31] <jelly> and what, openframeworks does not support openssl 1.1 at all?
• 1275[13:13:51] <tmm88> it needs the poco version 1.6 to compile
• 1276[13:13:57] <tmm88> otherwise it doesn't compile
• 1277[13:14:13] <tmm88> jelly: i think the source maintainers of openframeworks are mostly mac os users
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• 1279[13:14:32] <tmm88> on mac i don't have any problems compiling this
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• 1281[13:14:41] <tmm88> but on linux it becomes quite tricky
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• 1284[13:15:36] <jelly> it will be easier to go back to debian 8 if you need to build against libssl1.0.0 right now, but then you need to build your own poco again
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• 1291[13:17:28] <tmm88> jelly: i prefer to get everything fixed on debian 9
• 1292[13:17:39] <tmm88> it may be a bit trickier but it may be worth it
• 1293[13:17:48] <tmm88> i learn something on the way about debugging
• 1294[13:17:57] <tmm88> and compiling apps on linux from source
• 1295[13:18:03] <tmm88> who knows if in the future
• 1296[13:18:12] <tmm88> i will be adding packages to debian
• 1297[13:18:15] <shtrb> tmm88 , maybe it would be less hassle to port the openframeworks to a newer version /
• 1298[13:18:16] <tmm88> :D
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• 1301[13:20:07] <tmm88> it demands c++ knowledge and computer graphics knowledge and shell scripting knowledge that i don't have
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• 1303[13:20:25] <tmm88> among other thigs - cmake, etc.
• 1304[13:20:28] <MrGrymReaper> Hello. Does any one know where debian 9 keeps its dconf profile files please?
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• 1310[13:21:55] <jelly> tmm88: you could install libssl1.0-dev and try to build poco with old openssl.
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• 1314[13:22:32] <jelly> dpkg, tell tmm88 about package rebuild
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• 1316[13:22:40] <MrGrymReaper> I'm planning on trying to utilise Gnome Lockdown features but need to know where dconf profiles are in Debian 9. It's location isn't in any deb package files from having searched using packages.debian.org.
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• 1326[13:24:46] <shtrb> Anyone about the hdmi ?
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• 1334[13:26:11] <Kelsar> shtrb: usually yes, but depends on your firmware
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• 1340[13:27:11] <shtrb> In that case I'm totally lost, the moment grub finish and kernel loads the HDMI outout works great
• 1341[13:27:14] <u0_a195> tes
• 1342[13:27:25] <shtrb> Is there a firmware I need to install for grub to allow it ?
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• 1346[13:27:51] <jelly> grub relies on VGA BIOS to set up things
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• 1359[13:29:45] <shtrb> I'm with UEFI, and no VGA output on the system
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• 1361[13:31:33] <MrGrymReaper> I'm currently looking for the equivilent to /etc/dconf/db on Debian 9. Does anyone know where it is located please?
• 1362[13:31:47] <u0_a195> i dont know
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• 1365[13:33:03] <abrotman> MrGrymReaper: might help us to tell us what it does ...
• 1366[13:33:21] <petn-randall> MrGrymReaper: I don't think you should be editing it by hand, but using dconf-cli or dconf-editor for this.
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• 1369[13:33:51] <fiet> I am running 3.16.0-042stab127.2 kernel on x86_64 GNU/Linux. I want to install a linux-image package so I get the latest version. However, I noticed that there are a lot of amd64 packages installed, which makes no sense to me. Can anyone explain this
• 1370[13:34:17] <BCMM> fiet: amd64 is (for practical purposes) synonymous with x86_64
• 1371[13:34:24] <fiet> So, not really sure which linux-image package to select. It's a VPS without console access. :-/
• 1372[13:34:38] <fiet> BCMM: Did not know that!
• 1373[13:35:13] <fiet> So linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64/stable would be the one to go for?
• 1374[13:35:31] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a text editor.
• 1375[13:35:33] <abrotman> You likely can't change the kernel on your VPS
• 1376[13:36:13] <BCMM> fiet: yes
• 1377[13:36:25] <fiet> abrotman: That would explain things. I had a VPS running Jessie and upgraded to Stretch. Kernel was still on the Jessie version.
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• 1381[13:37:35] <BCMM> fiet: "64-bit x86" was actually invented first by amd - at the time people started moving towards 64-bit computing, intel was working on the failed itanium architecture (IA-64), which was not backwards compatible with x86
• 1382[13:37:39] <gpunk> that is not normal
• 1383[13:37:56] <gpunk> (old kernel kept)
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• 1387[13:38:59] <BCMM> fiet: so on a modern intel cpu, you want linux-image-amd64
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• 1394[13:40:29] <shtrb> but you might wish to avoid modern intel cpus :)
• 1395[13:40:58] <fiet> Thanks guys. I'll give it a try.
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• 1397[13:41:08] <abrotman> fiett ...
• 1398[13:41:13] <tmm88> still get some weird error with crypto-libexec package
• 1399[13:41:25] <tmm88> does someone know what it may be and how can i fix this
• 1400[13:41:25] <tmm88> ?
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• 1410[13:44:25] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a text editor. As seen on this wiki article replaced-url
• 1411[13:44:33] <fiet> weird. Just installed linux-image-amd64, which installed linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64. Rebooted again to 3.16.0-042stab127.2
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• 1413[13:44:54] <fiet> Maybe it's a VPS thing after all
• 1414[13:45:14] <petn-randall> fiet: I'm fairly sure it is, they always boot their own kernels.
• 1415[13:45:48] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: what kernel is default under the bootloader?
• 1416[13:46:05] <fiet> petn-randall: Yes, I realized that. I hoped that by upgrading to Deb9 that would work.
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• 1419[13:46:40] <fiet> petn-randall: Another weird thing. I can't even find a bootloader.
• 1420[13:46:42] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: In other words is the 3.16 kernel the default boot option or is 4.9.0-5-amd default?
• 1421[13:46:51] <fiet> 3.16 is default
• 1422[13:47:01] <fiet> It's default for Debian 8 though.
• 1423[13:47:09] <fiet> 4.9 is default for debian 9
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• 1425[13:47:51] <fiet> I have a VPS that came with debian 8, upgraded it to debian 9 (no problems whatsoever), but still am stuck with the 3.16 kernel.
• 1426[13:47:51] <MrGrymReaper> So if you want the 4.9.0-5 to be default under Debian 9 then the boot loader options need to be set so that it has taking precencendence.
• 1427[13:48:47] <fiet> MrGrymReaper: Yes, bit I have a feeling that is being overwritten. I'll check it with the company that sodl me this
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• 1429[13:49:29] <MrGrymReaper> If VPS see if there is an updated server image based on Debian 9 available. Or boot from 4.9 kernel, purge the old 3.16 completely then update the grub.
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• 1431[13:50:25] <MrGrymReaper> If there isn't an updated Debian 9 image then request one to be created from the server provider - if a hosting company.
• 1432[13:50:41] <jelly> grub will default to the kernel with the latest version
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• 1436[13:51:16] <jelly> if ISP makes any changes to the boot loader or does not use the boot loader inside VPS at all, then yeah
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• 1438[13:51:30] <fiet> Yes, but the thing is: There is no grub.
• 1439[13:51:57] <fiet> So I guess I am stuck with it.
• 1440[13:52:25] <jelly> contact your provider, then
• 1441[13:52:55] <fiet> Yes, I will do that. Thanks to all of you.
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• 1444[13:53:31] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: Mention Spectre and Meltdown to them too. So then can update to the newer kernel.
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• 1450[13:54:16] <fiet> LOL, I'm sure they're aware.
• 1451[13:54:59] <petn-randall> Chances are they don't support stretch yet and'll just give you an updated 3.16 kernel. :)
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• 1455[13:55:31] <fiet> Yes, it's updated: 3.16.0-042stab127.2 #1 SMP Thu Jan 4 16:41:44 MSK 2018
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• 1457[13:56:01] <MrGrymReaper> fiet: Official vulnerability website here - replaced-url
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• 1459[13:57:17] <MrGrymReaper> As in it is a hardware based security vulnerability.
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• 1461[13:57:30] <fiet> MrGrymReaper: Yes, that's true. I haven't got the detals clear, but as it's a hardware issue, I'd think that should not be solved by patching VM's, but by fixing the hypervisor.
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• 1465[13:58:24] <MrGrymReaper> The problem can't be fixed only mitigated.
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• 1469[13:59:12] <shtrb> fiest, don't invest time VMware and others had their own vuln
• 1470[13:59:29] <fiet> Well, the could replace the CPU's, but I don't see that happening.
• 1471[13:59:43] <jelly> there's nothing to replace the CPUs with
• 1472[13:59:50] <fiet> yet
• 1473[13:59:56] <shtrb> raspberi pies
• 1474[14:00:06] <fiet> Gotta go for now. Thanks all, for thinking out loud.
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• 1476[14:00:17] <JyZyXEL> yeah, plenty of in-order gear still on the market?
• 1477[14:00:17] <zack6849> yes, replace a processor with a small devellopment board
• 1478[14:00:19] <colo-work> I've got an AMD 80486-compatible to sell you
• 1479[14:00:20] <shtrb> all running inferno to create one big monster
• 1480[14:00:21] <zack6849> that'll work great.
• 1481[14:00:33] <MrGrymReaper> The mitigation on the hardware host would require and BIOS/firmware update and os update. Along with your VPS as the operation system of software won't afterwords be working without it too.
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• 1483[14:00:58] <shtrb> zack6849. a few of them with inferno+debian sound like a good pc
• 1484[14:01:19] <eck> how do i change my timezone
• 1485[14:01:21] <jelly> MrGrymReaper: VPS will work unchanged.
• 1486[14:01:22] <zack6849> shtrb: compute cluster != replacement CPU for virtualization server
• 1487[14:01:29] <zack6849> eck: very carefully
• 1488[14:01:30] <eck> there's like a systemd thing to do it now right
• 1489[14:01:37] <jelly> !tz
• 1490[14:01:38] <dpkg> A time zone is the standard time (aka local time) in a particular region. To change the timezone on Debian systems, execute "dpkg-reconfigure tzdata". Alternatively: "cp -b /usr/share/zoneinfo/$TZ /etc/localtime". Note that tzselect(1) does not change the timezone. Postfix users: execute "service postfix restart" to update localtime in the chroot.
• 1491[14:01:39] <eck> ah i found it, timedatectl
• 1492[14:01:43] <zack6849> :)
• 1493[14:02:03] <shtrb> zack6849, I thought inferno gave you a single image behaviour
• 1494[14:02:09] <zack6849> idunno
• 1495[14:02:15] <zack6849> I dont know what inferno is
• 1496[14:02:23] <zack6849> but you mentioned rasberry pis and chaining them together
• 1497[14:02:28] <zack6849> i assumed a compute cluster style thing
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• 1502[14:03:06] <gladioacuto_> hi there
• 1503[14:03:19] <shtrb> It expected to present an in terface as if it one big machine
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• 1505[14:03:30] <gladioacuto_> I need gcc-5 and g++-5. Ho to instal on stretch? They are only available in sid..
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• 1507[14:03:58] <eck> huh
• 1508[14:04:00] <shtrb> ,v gcc-5
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• 1510[14:04:01] <judd> Package: gcc-5 on amd64 -- sid: 5.5.0-6
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• 1512[14:04:12] <shtrb> gladiocuto_, did you check backports ?
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• 1514[14:04:28] <eck> or just build from source, gcc6 should be able to build gcc5
• 1515[14:04:32] <gladioacuto_> shtrb, yes, but it is not in stretch backports
• 1516[14:04:46] <eck> you want like a forwardport
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• 1518[14:05:06] <gladioacuto_> eck, it seems to be so ;)
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• 1559[14:28:03] <Kelsar> found what makes the segfault...
• 1560[14:28:04] <Kelsar> PHP_INI_SCAN_DIR=/etc/php5/cli/conf.d/ php5 -c /etc/php5/cli/php.ini -d error_reporting='~E_ALL' -r 'foreach(ini_get_all("session") as $k => $v) echo "$k=".$v["local_value"]."\n";'
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• 1564[14:29:33] <Kelsar> but i don't have any clue why...
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• 1595[14:42:28] <altab> hello, I just flashed TWRP on my Oneplus 5T and it won't boot on recovery, I used this TWRP version replaced-url
• 1596[14:42:44] <altab> any idea?
• 1597[14:43:18] <shtrb> not a debian dist
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• 1599[14:43:26] <altab> oups
• 1600[14:43:32] <altab> sorry I thought I was on #android
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• 1619[14:52:22] <bumbar_> i'm trying to install a package (apache2-dev) but am having unmet dependencies. trying to install each of those separately shows that a higher version is to be installed and i'm not sure how to fix it
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• 1621[14:52:39] <bumbar_> i've tried "apt clean" and "apt install -f" but don't seem to work
• 1622[14:52:47] <bumbar_> here's the apt output: replaced-url
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• 1625[14:53:21] <shtrb> Did you mess with sources (mixing testing and stable)
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• 1627[14:54:01] <shtrb> also check your sources.list and do apt-get update
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• 1634[15:00:43] <bumbar_> i've ran update many times. i did some pinning and probably mixed something, replaced-url
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• 1640[15:02:08] <bumbar_> sources.list looks okish(?) to me, replaced-url
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• 1645[15:05:56] <shtrb> I don't like the non debian source there
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• 1651[15:07:55] <oo_miguel> any ideas how I can fix the uzbl driver on my 4k display. everything is ultra-tiny :(
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• 1653[15:08:02] <oo_miguel> ah.. uzbl browser
• 1654[15:08:47] <gpunk> try CTRL-mouse roll down/up
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• 1658[15:10:39] <oo_miguel> +/- "zooms" but only individual texts/labels so everything gets overlapped
• 1659[15:10:46] <oo_miguel> ctrl-mouse has no effect
• 1660[15:12:02] <Earl_a> ！admin
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• 1664[15:13:53] <bumbar_> shtrb, did you mean hetzner, docker or steadfast?
• 1665[15:14:00] <Gerowen> Is it possible to do a UEFI install for Debian 9? The documentation I've found states that Debian 9 doesn't support UEFI, but I recently did a UEFI boot of the Net Installer and it specifically had a menu that said "UEFI Menu", and it allowed me to install Debian, but the installed system won't boot.
• 1666[15:14:18] <Gerowen> I'm just curious if there's a patch, a special walk-through, etc.
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• 1668[15:15:15] <JustASlacker> really? that would surprise me
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• 1670[15:15:21] <JustASlacker> even slackware supports uefi
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• 1675[15:17:12] <Gerowen> Yeah, and especially since there's a specific UEFI boot menu for the install disc, I'm guessing either I've configured something wrong in my BIOS or I've done something wrong. UEFI isn't exactly a new thing any more.
• 1676[15:17:14] <BCMM> Gerowen: where do the docs say it doesn't do uefi?
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• 1679[15:17:41] <Gerowen> I'll have to do some googling to find the article if you'd like me to, but it was a news article regarding the initial release of Debian 9.
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• 1681[15:17:53] <BCMM> Gerowen: i've got sid booting with uefi here
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• 1683[15:18:10] <Gerowen> So it's something I've configured improperly and need to revisit.
• 1684[15:18:14] <BCMM> i did have to fiddle with it a bit, because the installer wanted to install grub-pc instead of grub-efi
• 1685[15:18:19] <BCMM> had to chroot and fix that after the install
• 1686[15:18:30] <BCMM> but i think that's my fault
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• 1688[15:18:57] <BCMM> because i accidentally booted the install CD in legacy mode rather than efi mode
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• 1692[15:20:05] <MrGrymReaper> I need it in this form as I'm going be sending backup copies of this file to another location on network for file backup purposes. And going to be using Gnome Lockdown and the way it is documented in the desktop environment's wiki has it in a done by hand fashion using a text editor. As seen on this wiki article replaced-url
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• 1697[15:20:30] <BCMM> Gerowen: oh i missed the bit where you already installed the system
• 1698[15:20:41] <BCMM> Gerowen: yeah, just use any working live environment to chroot and install grub-efi basically
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• 1701[15:22:32] <Gerowen> BCMM: Alrighty that should make things easy then. I did notice that it installed grub at the end of the installer, so I'll give that a shot and see how it goes, thanks for the suggestion, :-)
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• 1704[15:22:57] <bumbar_> shtrb, i did "apt upgrade -t testing" and now everything upgraded and installed smoothly. hopefully i didn't break something in the future... thanks for your time :)
• 1705[15:23:02] <Gerowen> I could have sworn that I'd had Debian 8 doing UEFI in the past, but it has been a year or two and I've been using Windows 10 to do some gaming, so I couldn't quite remember.
• 1706[15:23:10] <BCMM> Gerowen: you partitioned gpt, not dos-style mbr, right?
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• 1708[15:25:20] <Gerowen> BCMM: I let it do the partitioning automatically; it's a laptop so I wasn't particularly picky about how it partitioned it. I'll boot the live environment and double check to make sure.
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• 1712[15:26:32] <BCMM> Gerowen: ok. a lot of motherboards will not see the EFI system partition if it's not on a GPT disk
• 1713[15:26:55] <BCMM> Gerowen: also, if you did automatic partitioning i guess you won't have the gpt system partition
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• 1717[15:27:18] <BCMM> (it worked out for me because it's a dual-boot system and i'd already manually created it i think)
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• 1720[15:28:08] <JustASlacker> yeah, need that /boot vfat thingy
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• 1722[15:29:31] <BCMM> yup
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• 1725[15:31:36] <BCMM> actually i think i just used the efi partition the windows installer created
• 1726[15:31:50] <BCMM> which is much bigger than it needs to be because fat32 is a silly format with weird limitation
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• 1729[15:33:11] <Gerowen> I tried it on my Dell laptop the other day and it didn't work so I just hadn't messed with it since then, but I built my wife a PC earlier this year and put Windows 10 on it for her. She has been using it a while but last night she asked me to put Debian back on it for her, so Clonezilla is making a backup right now and figured I'd get my ducks in a row before I tried a UEFI installation on her rig since I had issues with the laptop.
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• 1746[15:38:20] <marsje> Hi all. I have a problem getting roundcube to work on my newly upgraded debian stretch machine. I think it's related to the mysql/mariadb upgrade and dbconfig. This is what I get: replaced-url
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• 1748[15:39:44] <shtrb> bumbar_, beware , and drop the stable from there
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• 1750[15:42:17] <FinalX> marsje: seems to install just fine for me in a docker container with stock stretch. maybe some packages didn't get upgraded? do keep in mind that jessie didn't have PHP 7.0, and in PHP 7.0 MySQL changed, there's no more "mysql", only "mysqli", "mysqlnd" and "pdo_mysql"
• 1751[15:42:25] <FinalX> so that might be it
• 1752[15:42:45] <shtrb> and remove the docker sources
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• 1754[15:42:57] <FinalX> (it _is_ complaining about an unsupported database driver, after all)
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• 1761[15:44:35] <Mikw> Ist there a linux-generic package for Debian?
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• 1766[15:46:22] <marsje> FinalX: what do you suggest I do to get a clean install? I already tried removing roundcube, purging the database from mysql and reinstall, but that doesn't work.
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• 1769[15:47:00] <BCMM> Mikw: nope, that's an ubuntu thing
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• 1772[15:47:55] <jelly> Mikw: you probably want linux-image-amd64
• 1773[15:48:09] <jelly> and you probably have it installed already
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• 1775[15:48:15] <Mikw> So, how can I install the latest Kernel? What package do I Need? Packet.net Injects a Kernel
• 1776[15:48:27] <Mikw> Thanks
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• 1780[15:49:53] <FinalX> marsje: I think that all you need to do is double-check your roundcube config, I'm not sure as I don't use it from the package repo. Somewhere the drive is probably specified as "mysql", that might need changing to "mysqli" or some other new one.
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• 1782[15:50:44] <jelly> blue font?
• 1783[15:50:56] <jelly> screenshot and point out the issue?
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• 1785[15:51:10] <FinalX> marsje: I'll create a jessie container and have a look, give me a moment
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• 1790[15:52:33] <FinalX> hmm, roundcube roundcube-core roundcube-mysql don't exist in jessie for me.
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• 1797[15:55:32] <marsje> FinalX: hmm, let me check my apt sources
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• 1800[15:56:47] <marsje> FinalX: maybe I got it from jessie-backports?
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• 1804[15:58:25] <FinalX> marsje: hm, could be. in your paste it says you "deleted" (or never created) /etc/roundcube/debian-db.php, it does exist for me with username/password and database type in it. both in that and in /etc/dbconfig-common/roundcube.conf dbtype is set to "mysql", though.
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• 1807[15:59:39] <FinalX> maybe you should give 'dpkg-reconfigure roundcube' a try, or 'dpkg-reconfigure roundcube-core' .. probably that last one will help more
• 1808[15:59:56] <marsje> FinalX: my /etc/roundcube is empty, but that makes sense since the installation failed
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• 1811[16:02:47] <FinalX> You could always try purging the packages and then reinstalling them: apt remove --purge roundcube roundcube-core roundcube-mysql && rm -rf /etc/roundcube && apt install roundcube roundcube-core roundcube-mysql
• 1812[16:03:03] <marsje> FinalX: the reconfigure doesn't seem to work. No sure why it says "Not replacing deleted config file /etc/roundcube/debian-db.php"
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• 1814[16:03:20] <marsje> FinalX: ok, let me try that
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• 1817[16:03:46] <FinalX> You'll have to reconfigure it entirely, but at this point I'm not sure that's a bad thing :)
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• 1823[16:05:58] <marsje> FinalX: worked! apt-get install finished succesfully.. I guess the --purge did the trick
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• 1827[16:08:01] <jaxchief_> Having a problem with php ./configure. I have the libsystemd-dev package installed but getting replaced-url
• 1828[16:08:04] <marsje> FinalX: roundcube works... not quite sure what his problem was, my I guess it was a bit too much to ask to figure out and upgrade all the configs
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• 1831[16:10:53] <FinalX> marsje: I'm guessing that whatever you had installed was from an outside repository and didn't have the files that the newly installed Debian stock packages expect. And at the same time, because it thought it was already configured, it wasn't touching the existing config to update it.
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• 1833[16:11:06] <FinalX> ..thus leaving it broken
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• 1839[16:14:55] <marsje> FinalX: that could be it. Thanks for your help!
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• 1843[16:17:09] <moritz___> Hello. I am trying to get the newest nvidia proprietary driver, but when doing an apt update i am stuck on 375. These are the packages i have installed: replaced-url
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• 1846[16:17:40] <moritz___> Are these the right packages to get the newest possible driver (via the packages from the repo).
• 1847[16:17:50] <jelly> ,v nvidia-kernel-dkms
• 1848[16:17:51] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; stretch-backports/non-free: 384.98-3~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 384.98-3; sid/non-free: 384.111-1; experimental/non-free: 387.34-2
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• 1850[16:18:22] <jelly> moritz___: if 384.98 is good enough for you, you can try using that one from backports.
• 1851[16:18:29] <FinalX> marsje: You're welcome :)
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• 1853[16:18:56] <jelly> moritz___: which debian release is this?
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• 1855[16:19:15] <moritz___> Debian 9 Stretch stable. This is not next. :)
• 1856[16:19:27] <jelly> dpkg, tell moritz___ about backports
• 1857[16:19:31] <jelly> dpkg, tell moritz___ about stretch-backports
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• 1864[16:21:18] <moritz___> Hmm that only has 384. Saw a stable install with 385. That must have used the nvidia installer then?
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• 1868[16:22:19] <jelly> moritz___: you can try the build from experimental. Maintainers for nvidia drivers _try_ to make it usable on stable but it's not guaranteed to work.
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• 1870[16:22:45] <moritz___> Even the package from backports has package conflicts.
• 1871[16:22:53] <moritz___> (on this system)
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• 1874[16:24:00] <moritz___> Oh no my old nvdia issues were not resolved.
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• 1907[16:37:51] <matglas> Good day. I would like to install the 3.2.96-3 version of the kernel mentioned in replaced-url
• 1908[16:38:20] <petn-randall> ,kernels
• 1909[16:38:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-3-686-pae (4.14.12-2); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.5-686-pae (4.9.65-3+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-5-686-pae (3.16.51-3+deb8u1); wheezy-
• 1910[16:38:22] <judd> backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-5-686-pae (3.2.96-3)
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• 1913[16:39:20] <matglas> petn-randall, it says 3.2.0-4-amd64 when running uname -r
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• 1916[16:39:57] <petn-randall> matglas: Did you run 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'?
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• 1922[16:42:04] <matglas> I did the first. Not the latter :(
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• 1925[16:42:52] <Bobbix> Hi, can i customize debian 9 gui? font type, size, windows behavior and so on?
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• 1928[16:43:25] <shtrb> the installer ?
• 1929[16:43:27] <shtrb> or something else
• 1930[16:43:32] <matglas> petn-randall, thanks
• 1931[16:43:54] <petn-randall> matglas: The first only updates the package lists, and does nothing to your system.
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• 1934[16:44:16] <petn-randall> matglas: If you never did the latter, you have never installed security updates.
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• 1936[16:44:42] <shtrb> Will there be a seprate kernel for nvidia's meltdown bug or it should be included in the linux cpu meldown fix ?
• 1937[16:44:48] <matglas> I did do apt-get upgrade
• 1938[16:44:57] <matglas> And this system in inherited :(
• 1939[16:45:26] <jelly> shtrb: what's "nvidia's meltdown bug"?
• 1940[16:45:36] <petn-randall> matglas: Ah, in that case you got the most, probably just not kernel updates.
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• 1942[16:45:44] <shtrb> nvidia had their varient of the meldown bug
• 1943[16:45:47] <matglas> true I hit the jackpot
• 1944[16:45:50] <jelly> shtrb: reference?
• 1945[16:45:57] <shtrb> replaced-url
• 1946[16:45:58] <moritz___> Purged everything installed from backports and now it might not be the most recent driver, but much better.
• 1947[16:46:33] <shtrb> jelly , I would take them with a grain of salt (their "fix")
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• 1953[16:49:21] <moritz___> When running Ryzen then i only need the nvidia patches for one variant, or none?
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• 1956[16:49:56] <moritz___> Ryzen is supposed to be affected by variant 1 but not 2 & 3.
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• 1965[16:53:33] <moritz___> Anyway the backports packages has the fixes for Spectre:
• 1966[16:53:35] <moritz___> replaced-url
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• 1973[16:56:23] <tw> I wouldn't be surprised if nvidia's embedded, on-gpu controller had speculative execution that they don't talk about.
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• 1979[16:59:16] <jelly> shtrb: that seems to say "we don't think our GPUs are exploitable, but we will issue drivers with mitigations anyway"
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• 1990[17:04:00] <celyr> jelly, to me it seems we did fix the driver
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• 1994[17:04:12] <celyr> since it runs in the kernel it's quite normal
• 1995[17:04:18] <BCMM> shtrb: that article makes it pretty clear the the nvidia hardware wasn't affected
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• 1998[17:04:36] <celyr> they pushed in some repoline
• 1999[17:04:36] <shtrb> Becuase of that (we sent our updates to mitigate) I thought maybe there will be an update for either the kernel or an exteranl pacakge ( replaced-url
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• 2001[17:04:41] <celyr> retpoline*
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• 2003[17:05:22] <retpoline> present!
• 2004[17:05:23] <shtrb> BCMM, jelly, ok they are ammune but need to push an update, the question remain will be there another kernel fix for that ?
• 2005[17:05:26] <BCMM> shtrb: it's likely something like the driver had a spectre-based privilege escalation bug
• 2006[17:05:38] <BCMM> shtrb: the update is for the driver
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• 2008[17:06:09] <BCMM> shtrb: a lot of software is being updated because of spectre
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• 2010[17:07:05] <BCMM> i mean, almost any software that sits between two levels of trust and allows the less-trusted side to execute some kind of code in it
• 2011[17:07:06] <shtrb> As clueless as I am, why would a non OS need to change anything if the kernel already address the issue ?
• 2012[17:07:32] <shtrb> * non kernel
• 2013[17:07:51] <BCMM> shtrb: OS kernels have so far been patched mostly to mitigate meltdown
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• 2017[17:08:05] <shtrb> ok , gpu can interact with the cpu without OS need (*)
• 2018[17:08:06] <BCMM> meltdown was the more severe problem but the fix is comparatively straightforwards
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• 2021[17:08:17] <BCMM> well, not straightforwards, but can be done in a single place
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• 2023[17:08:36] <BCMM> spectre potentially effects a *lot* of different things
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• 2025[17:08:51] <shtrb> so , the question remain should I need to wait to somehthing other than the kernel fix ?
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• 2028[17:09:09] <BCMM> browsers have been patched because there was a possibility of javascript from websites using timing attacks to access other information the browser knows (like passwords!)
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• 2033[17:10:38] <somiaj> shtrb: if running stable and keeping up on security updates, you are as protected as anyone.
• 2034[17:11:05] <Gerowen> BCMM: Found the mistake I made before. There's a question part-way through the install that basically tells you it sees a DOS drive, and asks if you want to force EFI installation anyway. I didn't notice that on the laptop and left it set to "No", thinking it was the popularity contest question. Debian 9 booted just fine in UEFI mode on my wife's desktop just now.
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• 2038[17:11:51] <somiaj> and my understanding as of right now is most the known attack vectores of spectre have been dealt with, but as time goes on, more and more maybe found since it is a hardware design issue.
• 2039[17:12:23] * petn-randall wonders if that might delay Intel's upcoming CPU generation.
• 2040[17:13:19] <BCMM> petn-randall: they already launched a generation that *they* knew had the vuln in, so it's pretty clear they don't care
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• 2043[17:14:10] <BCMM> also they seem to be consistently taking a BS line that the cpu is working exactly how it's supposed to work and vulnerable software is to blame
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• 2056[17:17:10] <BCMM> shtrb: my point is that, like a browser, a Windows graphics driver sits across a security boundary
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• 2063[17:18:05] <petn-randall> BCMM: Sure, they're downplaying it, but Skylake was released around the time it was discovered, so I they didn't have a chance to fix it in the design cycle.
• 2064[17:18:06] <BCMM> shtrb: and it's not out of the question that a program using a graphics api might be able to use timing attacks to trick the kernel side of that driver in to revealing information it shouldn't
• 2065[17:18:43] <BCMM> petn-randall: they're not just downplaying it, they've clearly avoided saying whether it will ever be fixed
• 2066[17:19:03] <BCMM> personally i think they may not actually have a plant yet, which is kind of scary
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• 2068[17:19:10] <BCMM> s/plant/plan/
• 2069[17:19:33] <BCMM> or if they do, it's not widely known within the company
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• 2081[17:25:40] <bolovanos> hithere
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• 2086[17:26:43] <BCMM> hihowareyou
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• 2088[17:27:04] <bolovanos> goodandu?
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• 2090[17:27:45] <bolovanos> deb 9 in virtualBox virtual, sometimes python script for downloading html says "gaierror(-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')"
• 2091[17:28:15] <bolovanos> wget for same url sais "wget: unable to resolve host address "xyz.com"
• 2092[17:28:20] <jelly> always for the same host, or for diferent ones?
• 2093[17:28:24] <bolovanos> same host
• 2094[17:28:33] <jelly> which one?
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• 2096[17:28:46] <bolovanos> but on another virtual (VMware) wget has no problem to download it
• 2097[17:28:58] <bolovanos> another virtual is ubuntu 16.04
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• 2101[17:29:19] <jelly> can you tell us the actual hostname?
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• 2104[17:30:24] <RoyK> hostname -f
• 2105[17:30:31] <bolovanos> Resolving xyz.com (xyz.com)... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. - it says on debian 9 virtual also after wgeting that url
• 2106[17:30:37] <jelly> RoyK: not that one, the one that does not resolve
• 2107[17:30:38] <bolovanos> jelly, anny - it is system wide problem
• 2108[17:30:44] <RoyK> oh
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• 2110[17:30:58] <bolovanos> I was trying getent hosts replaced-url
• 2111[17:31:21] <bolovanos> which returned translated IP without any problem
• 2112[17:32:04] <jelly> bolovanos: is there a difference between /etc/resolv.conf contents on the debian 9 machine and the ubuntu system that works?
• 2113[17:32:07] <bolovanos> my suspicion is on virtualbox, but I would like to be sure -
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• 2115[17:32:31] <bolovanos> jelly, probably yes - debian 9 is bridged, ubuntu is nated
• 2116[17:32:33] <bolovanos> wait
• 2117[17:32:44] <jelly> !paste
• 2118[17:32:44] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2119[17:34:00] <shtrb> bolobanos , in vbox you have several ways how vm get address. if you are running your dhcp the ip might change or you do your test while your are refreshing an ip
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• 2121[17:34:18] <bolovanos> ubuntu nameserver 127.0.1.1
• 2122[17:34:18] <bolovanos> \n search localdomain
• 2123[17:34:23] <shtrb> you might like to try to use a hardcoded dns like 8.8.8.8 that should work
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• 2125[17:34:28] <bolovanos> debian nameserver 192.168.0.1
• 2126[17:34:46] <bolovanos> which is my router
• 2127[17:34:49] * jelly facepalms at ubuntu's dnsmasq
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• 2129[17:35:02] <shtrb> This mean that ubuntu vm has it's own dns server localy
• 2130[17:35:28] <shtrb> jelly, it could be intentionally .. he might be running a dns server there (in the vm itself)
• 2131[17:35:29] <BCMM> iirc ubuntu has local dns caching by default
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• 2134[17:35:48] <jelly> shtrb: their NetworkManager setup brings up dnsmasq almost always
• 2135[17:35:59] <BCMM> hmm google thinks i'm wrong... which distro am i thinking of then?
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• 2142[17:38:29] <shtrb> jelly thanks
• 2143[17:38:37] * shtrb don't use ubuntu
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• 2148[17:40:11] <fujoor_> hey guys, I have a problem with midnight commander, all my lines shows as X
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• 2150[17:40:36] <greycat> sounds like $TERM mismatch
• 2151[17:40:38] <petn-randall> fujoor_: Are you accessing it via putty or something?
• 2152[17:40:40] <bolovanos> oki - where else should I look if this happens again (it happens few times a day...)
• 2153[17:40:50] <fujoor_> im running debian on a raspberry computer with kodi
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• 2155[17:40:56] <greycat> !kodi
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• 2157[17:40:57] <dpkg> XBMC (formerly Xbox Media Center) is an open source media player application. XBMCbuntu and XBMC Live are Linux distributions based on <Ubuntu> containing XBMC, they are not supported in #debian. XBMC v13 ("Gotham") is available from <wheezy-backports>. XBMC will be renamed to Kodi for v14. replaced-url
• 2158[17:40:57] <jelly> bolovanos: can you run "dig replaced-url
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• 2161[17:41:07] <jelly> if you always* get a result
• 2162[17:41:10] <fujoor_> greycat: it use to work great but suddenly turned this way, i cant figure out what i did wrong
• 2163[17:41:28] <jelly> bolovanos: dnsutils package if you don't have it installed
• 2164[17:41:32] <greycat> fujoor_: compare $TERM against the actual terminal emulator being used, and then ask #kodi
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• 2167[17:41:55] <greycat> fujoor_: also remember that multiplexing layers like screen/tmux matter.
• 2168[17:42:18] <fujoor_> greycat: you speak a language i do not understand, any ideas on where to start up reading on all the terminology
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• 2170[17:42:35] <fujoor_> greycat: i dont use screen, i access it directly through ssh
• 2171[17:42:37] <greycat> "/join #kodi"
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• 2173[17:42:51] <fujoor_> greycat: but its a debian dist, i just happens to have kodi installed
• 2174[17:42:57] <greycat> *plonk*
• 2175[17:43:16] <jelly> fujoor_: did you install actual debian, or is it really raspbian or libreelec maybe?
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• 2177[17:43:41] <jelly> we can't (and don't) support derivative distros in here
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• 2179[17:44:11] <jelly> kodi is basically just an app, probably not the right place to ask
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• 2181[17:44:22] <greycat> Ah, the factoid is ... confusing.
• 2182[17:44:24] <bolovanos> jelly, did it, saved result and will try it when it happens again - then will compare it
• 2183[17:44:42] <fujoor_> jelly: but my problem is the line encoding in midnight commander, i suspect it has nothing to do with which dist i use
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• 2186[17:45:11] <fujoor_> jelly: probably some utf-8 thingy i dont understand how to get back to the way it was
• 2187[17:45:17] <shtrb> if that not debian we can not help
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• 2189[17:45:33] <fujoor_> alright thanks guys, ill google away
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• 2192[17:45:41] <petn-randall> greycat: Debian also ships Kodi by the way, it's great if you want to build your own media centre.
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• 2194[17:45:52] <jelly> fujoor_: I suspect availability of terminfo entries (which are used to figure out how each terminal emulator works, and what lines it uses) and locales (whcih determine whether UTF lines are available) is VERY distro dependent
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• 2200[17:46:34] <in1t3r_> damn it I was replacing the network card with other card from other laptop I have both ware intel cards and it was working yesterday today after restart again no wifi internal card no ethernet showing when I start the netinst cd it do not show either of the interfaces except the damn dongle interface if I plug it in.
• 2201[17:47:50] <jelly> in1t3r_: is the wired ethernet card visible in "lspci" output?
• 2202[17:48:36] <jelly> in1t3r_: are you talking about wired or wifi cards?
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• 2205[17:49:37] <in1t3r_> both man
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• 2207[17:49:48] <in1t3r_> they both disappeared
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• 2212[17:52:01] <in1t3r_> jelly, replaced-url
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• 2214[17:52:38] <jelly> in1t3r_: I would power off, unplug battery and power cable, power on again, see if your BIOS complains about blacklisted cards. Some laptop vendors (Lenovo) don't like when you replace miniPCIe cards with generic ones or something by a different vendor
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• 2216[17:52:58] <in1t3r_> its i3 processor I know that intel have moved one of the bridges or both inside of the CPU can this be cpu related issue? As only thing that come tomy mind is that controler is out
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• 2218[17:53:14] <in1t3r_> no both are intel
• 2219[17:53:25] <in1t3r_> and it recognised it yesterday
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• 2221[17:53:41] <in1t3r_> also this is G 250 with i3 cpu 5th generation
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• 2225[17:54:21] <in1t3r_> so vendor is HP also I do have just a few settings like disable and enable the card in the bios their bios is quite locked down
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• 2227[17:54:41] <in1t3r_> I will try what you recommended anyway
• 2228[17:54:47] <jelly> intel is just manufacturer. Maybe your system refuses non-HP cards in some situations
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• 2230[17:55:13] <in1t3r_> yeah cards are both from intel as vendor
• 2231[17:55:17] <bolovanos> jelly, ok again ...
• 2232[17:55:17] <bolovanos> dig google.com @192.168.0.1
• 2233[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ; <<>> DiG 9.10.3-P4-Debian <<>> google.com @192.168.0.1
• 2234[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ;; global options: +cmd
• 2235[17:55:18] <bolovanos> ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
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• 2238[17:55:35] <bolovanos> :(
• 2239[17:55:43] <jelly> bolovanos: so something is wrong with your router's dns recursor.
• 2240[17:55:43] <in1t3r_> original is 3165NGW
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• 2242[17:55:54] <in1t3r_> and I put the 7265 also intel one
• 2243[17:56:07] <greycat> If 192.168.0.1 is a plastic router, it probably just forwards all requests to your ISP's resolvers.
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• 2245[17:56:31] <jelly> greycat: those forwarders can be and often are horribly buggy
• 2246[17:56:38] <greycat> Oh yes, I am aware.
• 2247[17:57:09] <in1t3r_> well you can setup LEDE on the router or opewrt :)
• 2248[17:57:30] <shtrb> can you please just hardcoded 8.8.8.8 there
• 2249[17:57:42] <shtrb> or setup sane dns system like bind8
• 2250[17:57:46] <shtrb> *bind9
• 2251[17:57:52] <greycat> When my ISP's resolvers stopped responding, I told my plastic router to use 8.8.8.8 as our network's preferred resolver. And then took my time setting up dnscache on my desktop box, and then made that the primary, and 8.8.8.8 the secondary.
• 2252[17:58:00] <in1t3r_> hahaha bind8 thats old :)
• 2253[17:58:14] <bolovanos> plstrouter has setup this "DNS Server: 81.92.155.1 , 8.8.8.8"
• 2254[17:58:17] <jelly> bolovanos: stupid workaround: install a proper recursor on debian (unbound, or pdns-recursor, fuck no not bind) and let it resolve things on its own. No need to rely on google's 8.8.8.8 public dns service.
• 2255[17:58:27] <in1t3r_> dnsmasq could hepl too
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• 2257[17:58:50] <shtrb> bind to the masses !
• 2258[17:58:52] <jelly> bind is overkill.
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• 2260[17:59:14] <in1t3r_> but he can have split horizon then with bind :)
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• 2262[17:59:27] <jelly> he did not ASK for split dns.
• 2263[17:59:32] <jelly> or she.
• 2264[17:59:34] <in1t3r_> and serve the public ust joking
• 2265[17:59:35] <bolovanos> he
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• 2269[18:00:36] <bolovanos> ok thank you guys will fix it with your given hints :)
• 2270[18:00:51] <jelly> bolovanos: you can also use those two instead of going thru the router. 81.92.155.1 , 8.8.8.8 ...
• 2271[18:00:54] <jelly> !override dns
• 2272[18:00:55] <dpkg> To have dhclient use a specific nameserver rather than one given by your DHCP server, echo "supersede domain-name-servers a.b.c.d, e.f.g.h;" >> /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf; man 5 dhclient.conf for more. You can also use "prepend" or "append" to add nameservers. Or remove domain-name-servers (etc.) from "request" in dhclient.conf. Beware crazy ideas like chattr +i. replaced-url
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• 2276[18:02:45] <shtrb> ,v bundy
• 2277[18:02:46] <judd> No package named 'bundy' was found in amd64.
• 2278[18:02:52] <jelly> al maybe tell CoProSys people to use better plastic routers?
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• 2283[18:05:17] <mnuhmnuh> jelly: ty (re: override dns)! best / most looked forward to !blah i've seen in a while.
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• 2293[18:10:42] <in1t3r_> ok will tell you if there isanything reported in bios
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• 2295[18:11:47] <jelly> Thinkpads complain at POST, dunno about your platform
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• 2325[18:24:37] <oo_miguel> I use uzbl, which uses webkit. unfortunatelly the fonts and websites are very tiny on my 4k display, is there a way to set the dpi or fix it in some other way?
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• 2364[18:37:19] <tdn> I normally use LUKS for whole disk encryption. I'd like to have a USB stick with me on travel and stuff with my various keys on and a few vital docs. I want to encrypt this and could use LUKS of course, but that only seems to work on Linux. Is there any cross platform options that are secure? In the past I'd probably use truecrypt but that was abandoned a few years back. Any trusted options today?
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• 2366[18:38:22] <in1t3r> well brother its the same no error reported in meanwhile I did disable and enable of the ethernet andwifi in bios and alsoreseted TPM thinking it might be the TPM that cause the issue but nothing still when I reboot ifconfig -a no interfaces
• 2367[18:38:46] <mnuhmnuh> !tails
• 2368[18:38:47] <dpkg> Tails (The Amnesic Incognito Live System) is a live DVD/USB <based on Debian>, with the aim of preserving privacy and anonymity. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
• 2369[18:39:03] <mnuhmnuh> fyi.
• 2370[18:39:09] <in1t3r> Then again I tried also to do udevadmin control --reload-rules and that do not help either
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• 2374[18:41:00] <Gerowen> Debian 9 Stretch, clean install, AMD Radeon RX 560 graphics card with HDMI for video/audio, firmware-linux-nonfree installed and accelerated graphics are working. No audio from HDMI, even though the HDMI audio device is listed and the output meter in pavucontrol shows sound is supposedly being sent down the HDMI cable. Suggestions?
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• 2376[18:41:43] <jelly> in1t3r: you want to look at lspci first. If there's nothing there, there sure won't be anything in ifconfig
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• 2380[18:42:31] <shtrb> Gerowen, check if under pavucontrol it is selected in the configuration part
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• 2383[18:43:45] <Gerowen> shtrb: Yes it is.
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• 2388[18:45:53] <shtrb> Is it listed as a sink ?
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• 2390[18:46:18] <Gerowen> shtrb: A sink?
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• 2392[18:46:46] <KebabBob> I added /mnt/cifs to fstab, and it mounts fine on mount -a, but doesn't mount automatically on startup. What would cause that?
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• 2395[18:47:27] <shtrb> pacmd list-sinks
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• 2398[18:48:25] <mnuhmnuh> Gerowen: i use mate; MB-3/right-click offers "sound preferences". also try vlc and banshee, fiddle w volume, gkrellm may help ...
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• 2400[18:48:41] <in1t3r> yeap I know nothing there as I send in previous paste
• 2401[18:48:57] <in1t3r> OS do not see any network interface available :o
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• 2403[18:49:00] <shtrb> defiantly check the volume level
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• 2406[18:49:05] <mnuhmnuh> mb-3 on speaker icon
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• 2423[18:53:44] <simpledat> How do I verify the PGP signature of a file?
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• 2430[18:55:14] <shtrb> gpg -v
• 2431[18:55:15] <mnuhmnuh> in1t3r: guessing, nowadays on user boxes, eg. Network Manager Applet (mate here) does it all. system handles only lo!
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• 2433[18:56:55] <shtrb> simledat , gpg --verify file.gpg --keyring path.gpg
• 2434[18:57:14] <in1t3r> mnuhmnuh, well dude what the network daemon have with the lspci and hwdb?
• 2435[18:57:16] <in1t3r> nothing
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• 2437[18:57:35] <in1t3r> I tried with the NetworkManager too but I use wicd
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• 2439[18:58:17] <in1t3r> used many different things for network setup including the pure ip tools and iw for connecting :D
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• 2441[18:59:08] <bolovanos> jelly, still here? "service networking restart" what exactly it should be doing - I have edited /etc/resolv.conf (added new nameservers), result ist that my enp0s3 interface is not up
• 2442[18:59:10] <in1t3r> machine do not recognise any of the internal cards anymore as I previously said. lspci do not show any of the network interfaces
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• 2445[18:59:35] <in1t3r> bolovanos, you ar eusing debian 9?
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• 2447[18:59:51] <bolovanos> I restarted whole virtual, but I am able to ping it from outside, but I am unable to ping router from inside
• 2448[18:59:54] <bolovanos> in1t3r, yes
• 2449[18:59:57] <in1t3r> shouldnt you use the systemctl as youar eusing systemd
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• 2453[19:00:49] <in1t3r> you can bring your interface up with ifconfig enp0s3 up
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• 2455[19:01:12] <in1t3r> didnt saw your questions was afc away from channel restarting machine
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• 2458[19:01:46] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I upgraded to Debian 9 and now my scanner isn't being found by skanlite. So I installed the sane cmd utils, and sane-find-scanner lists my scanner, but scanimage -L says it can't find anything. How can I troubleshoot further?
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• 2460[19:02:01] <bolovanos> in1t3r, have never used systemctl - any details how / why...
• 2461[19:02:03] <in1t3r> what are you using for virtualisation? virtualbox by oracle or KVM?
• 2462[19:02:27] <bolovanos> in1t3r, ok it is up, but without IP from dhcp
• 2463[19:02:38] <bolovanos> virtualbox on win
• 2464[19:02:39] <in1t3r> systemctl is the main tool for the systemd as services was for the sysv
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• 2466[19:03:08] <in1t3r> do you have dhcpcd running inside of the machine that you want to get DHCP assigned
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• 2468[19:03:18] <bolovanos> this was working somehow "normally" (sometimes it lost ability to reach internet / dns resolving..., but it was at least able to ping router IP
• 2469[19:03:21] <bolovanos> now it is not
• 2470[19:03:38] <bolovanos> in1t3r, it is bridged virtual -> DHCP from router
• 2471[19:03:42] <in1t3r> oh man I'm not expert for windows boxes I'm strictly linux for almosttwodecades
• 2472[19:03:47] <in1t3r> ok
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• 2477[19:04:51] <jelly> bolovanos: uh, do "ifdown enwhatev" and "ifup enwhatev", don't restart the networking service.
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• 2479[19:05:10] <in1t3r> hm have you tried any other virtual machine on the virtualbox do you have the smae issue on every one? I use nowdays only KVM an qemu. but if I recall there are networking settings on the virtualbox
• 2480[19:05:36] <jelly> bolovanos: or just reboot the vm if it's not doing anything important
• 2481[19:06:13] <in1t3r> you should have option of the host network manager on virtualbox program
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• 2485[19:06:44] <in1t3r> ifdown is still alive in the debian :o
• 2486[19:07:05] <in1t3r> thought it getting deprecated with the ifconfig too :)
• 2487[19:07:43] <in1t3r> ip link and ip addr ip route are prefered ways at least for small memory devices :)
• 2488[19:07:52] <soop> check your vswitch settings in virtual box, bolovanos, so you can ping the host (PC running virtual box) .... and you can ping the guest (Machine running Virtual install of linux) ... but the debian machine can't ping out?
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• 2491[19:08:41] <bolovanos> sec guys to many of you giving hints - will restart that virtual first - to reach it through ssh otherwise I am unable copy/paste output
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• 2493[19:09:37] <in1t3r> why you wouldnt use the NAT for one of the virtual cards in oracle stupid virtualbox and setup other as hostonly network you can add up to 4 virtual network cards in virtualbox and much more with qemu kvm :)
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• 2496[19:10:17] <soop> replaced-url
• 2497[19:10:27] <in1t3r> first check what you have on networking tab for the machine that is installation of debian.
• 2498[19:10:43] <bolovanos> ifconfig after restart replaced-url
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• 2500[19:10:57] <bolovanos> pinging from host machine - works
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• 2502[19:11:13] <bolovanos> pinging from router - works
• 2503[19:11:23] <soop> can you ping the gateway?
• 2504[19:11:34] <bolovanos> pinging router from virtual - dead
• 2505[19:11:37] <in1t3r> I always used on virtualbox NAT and other as the hostonly network if I need it or want to be able to work with that machine without need forit to be able to connect ot the internet
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• 2507[19:11:47] <bolovanos> ok
• 2508[19:11:47] <bolovanos> stop
• 2509[19:11:55] <cnrhkiyf> Someone with Ryzen CPU + AMD Vega GPU who can help me with installing Debian? I have no video output in the installer after I choose "Install debian"
• 2510[19:11:57] <bolovanos> not true - now pinging from wirtual works
• 2511[19:12:13] <soop> so you can now ping out from the deb guest?
• 2512[19:12:27] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, have you tried nomodeset option
• 2513[19:12:40] <cnrhkiyf> yes
• 2514[19:12:43] <in1t3r> too pass to the boot option before you start install
• 2515[19:12:47] <in1t3r> and it do not work
• 2516[19:13:10] <cnrhkiyf> no, I use Legacy Boot, no UEFI
• 2517[19:13:11] <bolovanos> this is what I was getting until this restart
• 2518[19:13:11] <bolovanos> replaced-url
• 2519[19:13:19] <cnrhkiyf> with UEFI I have picture
• 2520[19:13:27] <in1t3r> no no no that have nothing with nomodeset
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• 2522[19:13:32] <bolovanos> soop, right now I can
• 2523[19:13:53] <cnrhkiyf> I think it is because Vega is only supported with kernel 4.15
• 2524[19:14:04] <cnrhkiyf> and my installer is the daily testing image with kernel 4.14
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• 2526[19:14:20] <soop> ok, so no more problem then?
• 2527[19:14:42] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, this is the option that tell to the initrd and kernel to not use the kvm modeseting which willleave you with lower resolution in installer but should be able to pass problems with booting the installer at least that was working few years ago :)
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• 2529[19:15:08] <cnrhkiyf> yes I know but with Vega and Ryzen it does not
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• 2531[19:15:24] <ryan-c> is there a way to allow a system user created with 'useradd -r' to log in via ssh?
• 2532[19:15:34] <in1t3r> I think you could use the vesa settings for installer or the radeon driver not sure is it supported still.
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• 2534[19:15:46] <greycat> ryan-c: give it a regular shell
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• 2536[19:16:05] <greycat> and either a password (if you allow ssh with passwords), or a key ...
• 2537[19:16:11] <in1t3r> why you dont try installing in UEFI mode?
• 2538[19:16:23] <in1t3r> nowdays every linux can be installed in the UEFI mode
• 2539[19:16:26] <ryan-c> greycat: I did - changed the shell with chsh, and I added ~/.ssh/authorized keys and checked permissions on it
• 2540[19:16:33] <cnrhkiyf> I tried and it worked for the installation process but if I boot the system after reboot it wont start
• 2541[19:16:50] <in1t3r> cnrhkiyf, what kind of error you ware getting?
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• 2545[19:17:17] <jelly> ryan-c: do you see anything in /var/log/auth.log when a remote ssh attempt fails? What does the ssh client app say?
• 2546[19:17:30] <ryan-c> nevermind, i'm an idiot
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• 2549[19:17:47] <ryan-c> I forgot to specify the right ssh key on the client
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• 2552[19:18:31] <in1t3r> yeap just give it regular shell or if you want to restrict it only to sftp use you can setup that too.
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• 2556[19:19:49] <cnrhkiyf> Something with Time Sync Error and he says I have to press CRTL-D or enter root password. CTRL-D has no effect and if I enter root password, I can log in to the system and install packages with apt. but after reboot its the same again
• 2557[19:19:50] <in1t3r> I mean many people mix the keys if they dont name them toward something that will be easy to know which key is for which machine. :) I always name them according to the servers I use so I dont mix them up.
• 2558[19:20:21] <in1t3r> that is the error with the hardware clock on your machine
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• 2560[19:20:37] <in1t3r> you probably had set it up wrong.
• 2561[19:20:55] <cnrhkiyf> in BIOS it is correct
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• 2563[19:21:08] <in1t3r> and damn systemd now use its own sync fucntion to synchronise
• 2564[19:21:17] <in1t3r> hm dont know then
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• 2568[19:22:30] <cnrhkiyf> Yeah nobody knows
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• 2570[19:22:35] <shtrb> utc time vs not local time
• 2571[19:22:40] <bolovanos> ok - I have edited /etc/resolv.conf -> but after restart it has the same content as it had before editing
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• 2573[19:22:47] <cold_> Why isn't npm available on buster?
• 2574[19:23:03] <greycat> dpkg why isn't npm in testing
• 2575[19:23:03] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2577[19:23:13] <shtrb> cnrhkiyf , hwclock + timectl
• 2578[19:23:21] <in1t3r> I mean I saw that wehn I wanted to use the ntp and it was syncing without asking me so I disabled it as I know to use systohc and hctosys and I'm very annoyed when piece of software that started as the init system start to mess with init non related things. :) Uh I hate systemd mostly everyday. :)
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• 2583[19:23:56] <cnrhkiyf> shtrb what?
• 2584[19:24:07] <shtrb> sorry
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• 2587[19:24:20] <cold_> dpkg: wow 8 months ago
• 2588[19:24:20] <dpkg> cold_: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 2589[19:24:22] <in1t3r> he was telling you about not having setup hc to be the UTC
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• 2592[19:24:41] <cold_> dpkg: !help
• 2593[19:24:41] <dpkg> cold_: I wish you would RTFM.
• 2594[19:24:42] <cnrhkiyf> I havent set up anyting, I just run through the installer and reboot
• 2595[19:24:43] <in1t3r> linux preferhc to be setup as the UTC
• 2596[19:24:49] <shtrb> Systemd's ntp client is broken by design
• 2597[19:25:03] <cold_> dpkg: .help
• 2598[19:25:04] <dpkg> cold_: have you tried replaced-url
• 2599[19:25:05] * shtrb renting
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• 2601[19:25:28] <cold_> dpkg: I am a strange loop
• 2602[19:25:28] <dpkg> cold_: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 2603[19:25:31] <in1t3r> that iswhy I dont use systemd ntp client :)
• 2604[19:25:55] <shtrb> in13r, join us in the dark side (debian-offtopic)
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• 2606[19:26:07] <in1t3r> ok
• 2607[19:26:22] <greycat> shtrb: I don't disbelieve you, and I would *never* consider using systemd's timesync thing, but can you explain how it's broken? For my amusement.
• 2608[19:26:23] <cold_> greycat: how should I go about using npm then?
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• 2614[19:26:42] <in1t3r> mate cold_ why are you messaging bot?
• 2615[19:26:43] <greycat> cold_: install the sid version through backporting, or install the stable version, or install an upstream version
• 2616[19:26:48] <shtrb> greycat, it was a rant (sorry)
• 2617[19:27:02] <cold_> greycat: thanks
• 2618[19:27:12] <in1t3r> dpkg is Debian PacKaGe amanger low level tool of apt :D
• 2619[19:27:13] <dpkg> in1t3r: have you tried replaced-url
• 2620[19:27:23] <in1t3r> damn you dpkg :P
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• 2624[19:27:33] <jelly> ,v npm
• 2625[19:27:35] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
• 2626[19:27:39] <greycat> heh
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• 2628[19:27:57] <jelly> "so buggy, it's been skipped on for TWO releases"
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• 2631[19:28:27] <jelly> dpkg, why is npm not in testing
• 2632[19:28:28] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 2635[19:28:48] <in1t3r> cold there is thing called apt pinning so you can use different releases for different packages whould care too when do that and learn the manpage before starting to mess with the apt.preferences
• 2636[19:28:55] * jelly slow
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• 2640[19:29:12] <greycat> !pinning
• 2641[19:29:12] <dpkg> Pinning is a method to choose which version of a package to install when multiple versions are available from <sources.list>. Bugs are explained at replaced-url
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• 2651[19:31:52] <greycat> I'm still not sure what problem pinning was supposed to help you fight.
• 2652[19:32:44] <jelly> they're on testing anyway, so a testing/unstable mix might be a passable solution
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• 2678[19:44:37] <sangy> how should I interpret this os-release pretty name? ""Debian GNU/Linux buster/sid""
• 2679[19:44:50] <sangy> is it buster, or sid?
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• 2681[19:46:11] <shtrb> sid will always be sid
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• 2683[19:46:14] <Pegasus_RPG> sangy: Buster/testing
• 2684[19:47:08] <sangy> sorry I couldn't make sense of those answers >.<
• 2685[19:47:44] <greycat> You should read your sources.list for the final answer.
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• 2690[19:48:20] <sangy> greycat: that's the thing, I set my sources.list to sid
• 2691[19:48:28] <greycat> If you are choosing to run sid, then it's sid. If you are choosing to run buster, then it's buster. If you have some frankendebian horror show mixture, then it's a garbage fire.
• 2692[19:48:38] <Pegasus_RPG> lol
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• 2694[19:49:19] <shtrb> testing upgraded to sid gives you buster/sid
• 2695[19:49:30] <sangy> ok, so all of my sources.list point to sid, then it's magically sid?
• 2696[19:49:36] <sangy> shtrb: thanks!
• 2697[19:49:37] <greycat> It's not magic.
• 2698[19:49:51] <sangy> greycat: ok
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• 2700[19:49:58] <shtrb> ok , it's the black arts
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• 2703[19:50:21] <greycat> It's really not that complicated. The packages say buster because that is the next stable release that they are intended to become part of.
• 2704[19:50:42] <greycat> But if *YOU*, the human being with the brain, are choosing to run sid instead of buster, then they'll never stabilize, so it's just sid.
• 2705[19:51:29] <sangy> I think you need to work on your communication skills
• 2706[19:51:42] <shtrb> it's all ok
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• 2708[19:51:44] <greycat> I think you need to work on your comprehension skills.
• 2709[19:51:50] <sangy> shtrb thanks for the answer :)
• 2710[19:52:00] * shtrb sends beer and cookies to sangy and greycat
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• 2712[19:52:25] * sangy grabs beer and cookies. Chills
• 2713[19:52:29] * Pegasus_RPG thinks milk goes better with cookies
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• 2725[19:57:17] <sangy> Pegasus_RPG: agreed, but if life gives you beer...
• 2726[19:57:42] <Pegasus_RPG> ...pour it on your not-working scanner.
• 2727[19:58:03] * shtrb sends xsane and hplip for help
• 2728[19:58:44] <pie3> any self employed here?
• 2729[19:59:11] <Pegasus_RPG> I installed sane-utils and found that right after I power up the scanner, it displays in sane-find-scanner with make and model info, and again in scanimage -L but after that, it stops responding.
• 2730[19:59:14] <Pegasus_RPG> pie3: I am
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• 2734[19:59:45] * greycat waits for "Which programming language should I learn so you will hire me"
• 2735[20:00:03] <shtrb> Pegasus_RPG , check the scanner software
• 2736[20:00:05] <mnuhmnuh> pie3: was. retired now.
• 2737[20:00:21] <shtrb> do self employed people hire now ?
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• 2739[20:00:27] <pie3> mnuhmnuh: share your learning so far as self employeed
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• 2741[20:00:42] <shtrb> pie3, taxes and insurance is hell
• 2742[20:00:57] <Pegasus_RPG> shtrb: it's looking like a lower level problem.
• 2743[20:00:58] <greycat> Oh, he's changed tack slightly now. Now it's "Teach me how to make money." Granted, that's a better question than the previous one was.
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• 2745[20:01:05] <mnuhmnuh> accountants are expensive.
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• 2747[20:01:09] <jelly> pie3 (and others): please continue this in #debian-offtopic and not this TECH SUPPORT channel
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• 2750[20:01:29] <mnuhmnuh> hate accounting.
• 2751[20:01:40] <jelly> here is for Debian tech questions, not career advice.
• 2752[20:01:41] * shtrb sends gnucash to everyone
• 2753[20:01:54] <mnuhmnuh> true, eof.
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• 2755[20:02:06] <vash> Hello to everyone
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• 2765[20:03:25] <vash> I've some problem with CPU usage
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• 2779[20:09:25] <vash> Network manager is consuming high CPU
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• 2788[20:13:15] <hiya> how do I enable trim on my laptop's ssd?
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• 2799[20:17:14] <shtrb> hiya , why ?
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• 2801[20:17:33] <hiya> shtrb, it would improve performance right?
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• 2803[20:17:51] <KingParrot> anyone use python?
• 2804[20:18:01] <shtrb> it will the performance of the factory which create SSDs
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• 2806[20:18:03] <greycat> Plenty of people in #python use python.
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• 2808[20:18:26] <RoyK> hiya: you can mount with -o trim, but it's usually better to run fstrim regularly (weekly, perhaps) and keep the usage below 80-90%
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• 2810[20:18:50] <KingParrot> anyone install deb?
• 2811[20:19:03] <hiya> RoyK, ok then I would look into it
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• 2813[20:19:07] <hiya> Thanks!
• 2814[20:19:13] <RoyK> dpkg: tell KingParrot about ask
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• 2817[20:19:50] <KingParrot> I can not find a deb file of blt (>= 2.4z-9)
• 2818[20:20:03] <greycat> ,v blt
• 2819[20:20:04] <judd> Package: blt on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.4z-4.2; jessie: 2.5.3+dfsg-1; buster: 2.5.3+dfsg-3; sid: 2.5.3+dfsg-3; stretch: 2.5.3+dfsg-3
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• 2821[20:20:16] <greycat> are you on wheezy?
• 2822[20:20:25] <RoyK> hiya: I read a document some years back and it showed mounting with -o trim actually degrated performance compared to not using it and instead just running fstrim regularly
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• 2824[20:20:47] <KingParrot> not on whezy
• 2825[20:21:01] <greycat> KingParrot: if you're on jessie or newer, blt is version 2.5.3
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• 2828[20:21:28] <RoyK> hiya: might be better how, though
• 2829[20:21:46] <KingParrot> I have blt (2.5.3+dfsg-3)
• 2830[20:22:02] <vash_> I went deep on my issue. High CPU it was due by networkmanager OpenVPN module. I can't disconnect my VPN connection now. if I disconnect, It will connect it again on its own.
• 2831[20:22:04] <greycat> Then what is the problem?
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• 2852[20:28:57] <epigramx> Guys, why is there a real time kernel in repos but not a low latency kernel?
• 2853[20:29:20] <epigramx> or a server one?
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• 2859[20:31:59] <jelly> epigramx: the defualt kernel works well for servers. What are you missing?
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• 2863[20:32:36] <epigramx> the preemption model appears to be Desktop by default.
• 2864[20:32:47] <epigramx> There is also low latency and server mode.
• 2865[20:33:16] <epigramx> I guess "if you're so picky compile it yourself".
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• 2873[20:34:25] <DexterF> hi
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• 2875[20:34:30] <KingParrot> I installed python3-tk_3.5.1-1 but it does not work.
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• 2877[20:35:34] <KingParrot> I don't now much about Kernel's
• 2878[20:35:49] <DexterF> debian 8 machine serving NFSv4. I accidentally pulled ethernet, brought it back, the client now won't enter the monut point, stalls (the nfs shares get automounted via systemd). now, rebooting the client wouled solve it, but that's seriously uncool. how can I resolve without reboot?
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• 2880[20:36:21] <KingParrot> I herd that the server version of ubuntu 14.04 uses a later kernal then the desktop version.
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• 2885[20:39:08] <DexterF> KingParrot, they ship so called "hardware enablement" or HWE kernels if you need something newer inc ase your hardware requires it. by default would surprise me.
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• 2905[20:49:48] <FightingFalcon> Whats the most stable linux distro?
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• 2907[20:50:07] <Mathisen> FightingFalcon, debian would be one of em
• 2908[20:50:09] <greycat> CentOS, probably.
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• 2927[20:55:19] <jelly> epigramx: at work we even run asterisk with default kernel (not rt) and it seems to work just fine. Asking kernel people to support 2-3 more different builds seems just an extra burden.
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• 2930[20:55:55] <jelly> epigramx: what kind of workload do you have to hope for any real difference
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• 2935[20:58:22] <Resilience> is there any problems with replaced-url
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• 2937[20:58:46] <RoyK> jelly: anything new happened to asterisk the last years to make it actually work? I complained about lack of scalability a bunch of years back, and was just given a reply that "asterisk wasn't a softswitch, live with it", even though I had donated code worth rather a lot for working jitter cancelling
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• 2942[21:00:36] <jelly> RoyK: dunno, we don't run the call center on it, just office and it seems to work for the hundred or so lines.
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• 2944[21:01:09] <RoyK> nice
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• 2946[21:01:49] <mnuhmnuh> Resilience: w.d.o is working here. no problemo.
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• 2951[21:03:00] <mnuhmnuh> res your boss/mom/isp throttling you?
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• 2956[21:05:24] <MarioMey> Hi, there.
• 2957[21:05:34] <MarioMey> How can I use iwlist or iwconfig?
• 2958[21:05:43] <MarioMey> I'm on Debian 9.
• 2959[21:06:03] <shtrb> MarioMey , ifup your device , iwlist devicename scan
• 2960[21:06:10] <Resilience> mnuhmnuh, the sever responds, but says I have no permissions
• 2961[21:06:20] <shtrb> iwconfig to connect to unencrypted network
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• 2963[21:06:45] <MarioMey> shtrb: I don't have iwconfig nor iwlist installed.
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• 2965[21:07:05] <MarioMey> Can't install them, too.
• 2966[21:07:11] <shtrb> sudo apt-get install iw
• 2967[21:07:19] <shtrb> sudo dpkg iw ?
• 2968[21:07:25] <shtrb> dpkg -i iw.deb
• 2969[21:07:26] * dpkg removes a kidney from shtrb and replaces it with iw.deb
• 2970[21:07:44] <MarioMey> Ok, I have iw installed...
• 2971[21:07:46] <shtrb> dpkg -i bag of diamonds
• 2972[21:07:46] * dpkg installs bag of diamonds into shtrb's head with a bone saw and a few screws
• 2973[21:07:50] <MarioMey> I had installed.
• 2974[21:07:53] <jelly> dpkg: botsnack
• 2975[21:07:53] <dpkg> :), jelly
• 2976[21:07:57] <MarioMey> But there's no iwconfig...
• 2977[21:07:59] <KingParrot> yes jelly
• 2978[21:08:01] <MarioMey> No iwlist...
• 2979[21:08:07] <greycat> ,file bin/iwconfig
• 2980[21:08:08] <KingParrot> but not peanut butter to day
• 2981[21:08:12] <judd> Search for bin/iwconfig in stretch/amd64: wireless-tools: sbin/iwconfig
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• 2983[21:08:45] <greycat> MarioMey: make sure wireless-tools is installed, and that /sbin is in your PATH (usually meaning that you are root or using sudo)
• 2984[21:09:12] <MarioMey> Ok, "sudo iw"
• 2985[21:09:17] <MarioMey> There it is.
• 2986[21:09:19] <MarioMey> NOw...
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• 2989[21:10:07] <MarioMey> I want to scan routers to check channels... and choose the less busy.
• 2990[21:10:09] <MarioMey> I used to use:
• 2991[21:10:12] <jelly> RoyK: worse, it's been virtualized as-is on esxi/vsphere, and the only time people report jitter is when that VM is live migrated to a different host
• 2992[21:10:42] <MarioMey> sudo iwlist wlan0 scan | grep Channel
• 2993[21:10:43] <DexterF> ok. someone riddle me this: "ls /mnt" goes after dirs in /mnt that sit on NFSv4 that was out for a bit and now the systemd automount seems to not have taken kindly to that, ls stalls until I ctrl-c
• 2994[21:10:50] <DexterF> but: bash -c ls works
• 2995[21:11:06] <DexterF> bash | tee works, too.
• 2996[21:11:06] <MarioMey> How can I do the same with iw?
• 2997[21:11:29] <greycat> Why not just install wireless-tools and continue doing what you were doing before?
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• 2999[21:11:35] <RoyK> jelly: btw, were you at #asterisk some 8-10 years back?
• 3000[21:11:56] <jelly> RoyK: probably not, it's not my can of worms
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• 3002[21:12:17] <RoyK> hehe
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• 3006[21:13:42] <MarioMey> Ok, now I did that. I run command... and it says:
• 3007[21:13:47] <MarioMey> wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning.
• 3008[21:14:00] <shtrb> ifconfig wlan0 up
• 3009[21:14:00] <MarioMey> I did it with Ubuntu, last year.
• 3010[21:14:31] <MarioMey> shtrb: I don't have ifconfig...
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• 3013[21:14:48] <greycat> Install net-tools.
• 3014[21:15:05] <shtrb> also make sure nm is not using that device
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• 3018[21:15:54] <annadane> ifconfig is net-tools? i had thought it was ifupdown
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• 3022[21:16:52] <MarioMey> Why it says that wlan0 doesn't exist?
• 3023[21:16:58] <greycat> Bearing in mind that stretch's ifconfig output format is changed, so don't expect scripts that parse it to continue working untouched.
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• 3027[21:18:11] <MarioMey> Ok, it worked.
• 3028[21:18:16] <MarioMey> sudo iwlist wlx54e6fc990ab6 scan | grep Channel
• 3029[21:18:19] <MarioMey> Nice name.
• 3030[21:18:33] <jelly> !eth0
• 3031[21:18:38] <KingParrot> It would be nice if I could install python3-tk_3.5.1-1 or python-tk_2.7.11-2
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• 3033[21:18:51] <MarioMey> Thanks, there.
• 3034[21:19:12] <jelly> I'm pretty sure there was a factoid on getting rid of "predictable" interface names
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• 3037[21:21:09] <herpderp> Hi. I hope I dont embarrass myself. I am looking for the "name" of the microcode update for linux against meltdown/spectre
• 3038[21:21:28] <herpderp> Any idea what I am "talking" about?
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• 3043[21:22:58] <petemc> herpderp: it's a kernel update
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• 3045[21:23:13] <herpderp> Yeah, it has name.
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• 3047[21:23:22] <herpderp> I guess it was made by google/project zero
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• 3050[21:23:56] <KingParrot> google is evil
• 3051[21:24:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1727
• 3052[21:24:01] <jelly> herpderp: it's not a name, it's (going to be) a newer version of intel-microcode package
• 3053[21:24:30] <KingParrot> replaced-url
• 3054[21:24:32] <jelly> KingParrot: if you have problems installing something, see
• 3055[21:24:34] <jelly> !bat
• 3056[21:24:34] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 3057[21:24:42] <jelly> ,v python3-tk
• 3058[21:24:43] <judd> Package: python3-tk on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2.3-1; jessie: 3.4.2-1+b1; stretch: 3.5.3-1; buster: 3.6.4-2; sid: 3.6.4-2
• 3059[21:24:57] <RoyK> petemc: the microcde update isn't a kernel update, it's a microcode update, that is, updating the CPU itself
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• 3062[21:25:10] <KingParrot> oh your saying it is for 64 bit not 32?
• 3063[21:25:27] <RoyK> do people use 32bit now?
• 3064[21:25:32] <greycat> some do, yes
• 3065[21:25:42] * RoyK uses 32bit on ARM
• 3066[21:25:45] <jelly> KingParrot: no, i386 has same versions. But the bot has to default to _some_ arch.
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• 3068[21:25:53] <greycat> I should think i386 is still the #2 arch by a huge margin.
• 3069[21:25:59] <RoyK> but then, 32bit on intel/amd went out of style 15 years back or so
• 3070[21:26:04] <KingParrot> many even use a 32 bit layer.
• 3071[21:26:10] <jelly> RoyK: you'd think so!
• 3072[21:26:18] <RoyK> KingParrot: for whatever reason
• 3073[21:26:27] <jelly> /exec -o dpkg --print-architecture
• 3074[21:26:31] <jelly> i386
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• 3076[21:26:55] <RoyK> amd64 has far more registers and is faster, although uses more memory because of bigger pointers
• 3077[21:27:06] <KingParrot> python-tk_2.7.11-2_i386.deb
• 3078[21:27:09] <jelly> we were still buying new servers w/ 32bit CPU in 2003
• 3079[21:27:26] <greycat> And they're still running 15 years later? Good job.
• 3080[21:27:27] <RoyK> still, that was 15 years ago
• 3081[21:27:29] <KingParrot> I did download the correct one I am usually good about that.
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• 3083[21:28:05] <jelly> greycat: no, but some from 2007 do
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• 3085[21:28:38] <KingParrot> I should start a pc company that builds 32 bit
• 3086[21:28:53] <KingParrot> pesty 64 bit is not so great.
• 3087[21:29:11] <KingParrot> when 64 first came out I thought I had to have it.
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• 3089[21:29:33] <KingParrot> but many 32 bits seem to be more relible.
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• 3096[21:32:29] <jelly> but 32bit is almost immune to meltdown (the workarounds there are pretty cheap performance wise)!
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• 3102[21:34:24] <KingParrot> Ginger does not need any love to day.
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• 3108[21:35:49] <FightingFalcon> Can i learn python and go at the same time? or its a bad move to learn to learn two language at the same time?
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• 3114[21:36:05] <greycat> #debian cannot really address that question at all
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• 3116[21:36:17] <greycat> you'd do better to ask the python and go channels
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• 3118[21:36:35] <greycat> or ##programming
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• 3122[21:37:03] <annadane> i'll just say that everyone's abilities/strengths are different so you can do anything you think you might be able to
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• 3124[21:37:08] <herpderp> jelly: sorry for my stupid questions but what is "retpoline"?
• 3125[21:37:42] <jelly> it's a new word invented just for that one technique you're reading about
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• 3128[21:38:01] <herpderp> and that's what is updated in the linux kernel?
• 3129[21:38:07] <herpderp> or how it's done
• 3130[21:38:39] <KingParrot> AppImage
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• 3132[21:38:51] <retpoline> <- retpoline
• 3133[21:39:04] <jelly> retpoline: I'm jelly.
• 3134[21:39:05] <V7> Hey all :)
• 3135[21:39:12] <herpderp> i am derp the herp
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• 3138[21:40:03] <jelly> herpderp: I'm not the right person to explain intricacies of complex workarounds for a complex cpu bug.
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• 3140[21:40:52] <retpoline> herpderp: hold on, i'll write something for you :)
• 3141[21:41:05] <jelly> a repoline is a thingy that helps avoiding a thingy inside cpu happen, so that the effects of that thingy cannot be observed
• 3142[21:41:34] <herpderp> And the thingy is in the kernel, right?
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• 3144[21:41:48] <herpderp> the first thingy you are referring to
• 3145[21:41:57] <retpoline> retpoline is short for return trampoline
• 3146[21:42:08] <jelly> the thingy should be placed everywhere where you want effects to remain unobserved
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• 3151[21:42:50] <jelly> that includes kernel, because observing thingies inside kernel from outside the kernel breaks certain assumptions about security
• 3152[21:43:12] <retpoline> Instead of just "call/pop/jump", it does "call/...pause/jmp.../mov/jmp", where the middle sequence of instructions set off in "..." is jumped over and not executed, but captures the speculative execution that the CPU does --- the CPU expects the "ret" to return to the original "call", and does not know how to predict around the fact that we did the switcheroo on the return address.
• 3153[21:43:23] <jelly> retpoline: see, I didn't want to say that because now you have to explain what a trampoline is.
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• 3155[21:43:41] <retpoline> read the line above, jelly :)
• 3156[21:44:21] <jelly> still doesn't explain what a trampoline is or what a RET does, unless you know a thing or two about assembly already
• 3157[21:44:28] <retpoline> here is a better explain replaced-url
• 3158[21:44:42] <retpoline> well, you don't care about retpolines unless you're an assembler programmer :)
• 3159[21:45:01] <jelly> noone cared about them until a week ago
• 3160[21:45:09] <jelly> they didn't have to exist
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• 3162[21:45:25] <retpoline> a retpoline just mitigates the speculative execution bug in spectre
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• 3165[21:45:46] <jelly> yes. it's a thingy to avoid a thingy.
• 3166[21:45:52] <retpoline> pretty much, yes
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• 3168[21:46:07] <retpoline> same as a condom
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• 3170[21:46:19] <greycat> And a retpoline must be placed in every program, NOT just in the kernel, right?
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• 3172[21:46:47] <annadane> i've totally lost track of the conversation. i'll just go on wikipedia later
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• 3176[21:47:31] <retpoline> greycat it's a kernel thing
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• 3179[21:47:50] <greycat> Oh, then I don't understand anything that has been said so far at all.
• 3180[21:47:55] <retpoline> lol :))
• 3181[21:48:03] <retpoline> i suck at explaining then
• 3182[21:48:14] <jelly> greycat: everywhere there's a voltage differential in security permissions; web browsers will have to do something similar in their JS JIT thingies.
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• 3184[21:48:24] <greycat> It is probably not a thing that *can* be explained in IRC.
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• 3189[21:49:23] <jelly> just because a kernel person invented it to protect the kernel<->user barrier, doesn't mean it might not be useful elsewhere
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• 3191[21:50:28] <retpoline> yeah, basically we want to disable speculative execution for indirect jumps in a CPU, and the CPU doesn't provide a clean way to do that directly
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• 3193[21:50:38] <jelly> (spectre mitigations will probably evolve during the next decade, it's really like inventing something like a buffer overflow exploit for the first time)
• 3194[21:50:41] <retpoline> so, we abuse the fact that a "ret" is an indirect jump
• 3195[21:50:53] <tmm88> can someone tell me what are the basic commands for i3?
• 3196[21:51:01] <jelly> (a novel weakness)
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• 3198[21:51:13] <tmm88> i already figured out cmd-enter for opening new terminal window
• 3199[21:51:21] <annadane> tmm88, replaced-url
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• 3201[21:51:30] <tmm88> yeah but i am on i3
• 3202[21:51:34] <annadane> the other important command to use is mod + d if you have dmenu
• 3203[21:51:36] <tmm88> and cannot open chromium
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• 3206[21:51:46] <greycat> open a terminal and type "chromium"
• 3207[21:51:49] <cnrhkiyf> I still have problems with my Ryzen + Vega system. Maybe someone can take a look at dmesg und journalctl output, I still get several errors. And for some reason my picture has a purple shine (can't describe it better) since I installed amdgpu drivers on kernel 4.15. replaced-url
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• 3209[21:52:07] <annadane> oh, well, then probably mod + d to open dmenu and search for chromium
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• 3211[21:52:31] <annadane> if you installed i3 as opposed to i3wm you should have dmenu
• 3212[21:52:50] <KingParrot> Tkinter and Qt are known to be Python 3-compatible.
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• 3214[21:53:12] <tmm88> i have thank you
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• 3218[21:53:21] <tmm88> it works fine
• 3219[21:53:27] <tmm88> thank you so much
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• 3221[21:54:02] <KingParrot> Tcl/Tk is fully portable to the Mac OS X, Windows, and Unix platforms.
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• 3246[22:03:00] <calducciano> have a question for Samba people
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• 3248[22:03:23] <calducciano> know my way around Linux but this is stumping me good
• 3249[22:03:43] <calducciano> I've been able to mount our samba share without issue for several months
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• 3251[22:04:01] <calducciano> suddenly this morning I boot up and try to mount. The entire mount is root:root
• 3252[22:04:08] <calducciano> just suddenly started happening
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• 3254[22:04:39] <BenNZ> calducciano: how are you mounting the share ?
• 3255[22:04:41] <calducciano> I tried changing some of the obvious things, like force user and stuff like that but that's ridiculous
• 3256[22:05:12] <calducciano> sudo mount -t cifs -o username=[myuser],password=[mypassword] //192.168.20.24/Share sharedrive
• 3257[22:05:20] <calducciano> which has been working for months and months
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• 3261[22:06:37] <calducciano> even though I feel like I know what I'm doing, this particular issue is making me feel like a major noob
• 3262[22:06:48] <calducciano> and it's really frustrating because it's holding up work
• 3263[22:06:58] <BenNZ> so whats the output of ls -ld sharedrive ?
• 3264[22:07:20] <calducciano> output when it is mounted is every file says root root [filename]
• 3265[22:07:29] <calducciano> the actually share folder itself is root:root
• 3266[22:07:36] <calducciano> now just for a hint
• 3267[22:07:48] <BenNZ> calducciano: is the share a linux file system ?
• 3268[22:07:48] <calducciano> I mounted the drive on the server to a folder on the server
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• 3270[22:07:55] <calducciano> to keep it all local
• 3271[22:07:58] <calducciano> same result
• 3272[22:08:02] <calducciano> so it's not the client
• 3273[22:08:15] <calducciano> yes, sorry, the share is on a linux file system
• 3274[22:08:17] <calducciano> Debian 9
• 3275[22:08:29] <BenNZ> and the client is on windows ?
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• 3277[22:08:42] <calducciano> some clients are windows but they haven't reported any issues
• 3278[22:08:54] <calducciano> but the client I'm having trouble on is an Ubuntu Desktop client
• 3279[22:09:05] <calducciano> the Debian 9 server is headless and running 4.14 mainline
• 3280[22:09:14] <calducciano> and again has been working like a charm for months
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• 3282[22:09:29] <BenNZ> then i wouldnt bother using samba , whats the output on the server of ls -ld /sharename ?
• 3283[22:09:47] <calducciano> output is the proper permissions
• 3284[22:09:58] <calducciano> [username:usergroup]
• 3285[22:10:14] <calducciano> again, if I mount the share folder on the server itself
• 3286[22:10:18] <calducciano> to a folder on itself
• 3287[22:10:20] <calducciano> I get the same issue
• 3288[22:10:26] <BenNZ> i wasnt just looking for the that but ok , ill try my best through the vagueness
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• 3291[22:10:36] <calducciano> we use Samba because we have mixed clients
• 3292[22:10:50] <calducciano> I realize I could use NFS but we don't because we have like 3 Linux users vs 50 Windows
• 3293[22:11:06] <calducciano> sorry for the vagueness
• 3294[22:11:11] <greycat> You're allowed to use both at the same time.
• 3295[22:11:13] <calducciano> I can give you whataver info you want
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• 3297[22:11:24] <calducciano> yes grecat, but why use nfs when this is a samba issue
• 3298[22:11:40] <BenNZ> calducciano: this is a permissions issue
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• 3300[22:11:54] <calducciano> the engineer in me doesn't think switching to another protocol for a couple machines because something broke is good science
• 3301[22:12:05] <calducciano> I'd like to know why Samba which has been working for ages is now broken
• 3302[22:12:35] <calducciano> BenNZ: yeah, I think so too. Just, for the life of me, I can't figure out where that fell apart
• 3303[22:12:47] <calducciano> specifically because it was working great
• 3304[22:12:49] <calducciano> and now it is busted
• 3305[22:13:07] <BenNZ> whats the output of mount
• 3306[22:13:18] <calducciano> lemme check, I don't normally run it with -v
• 3307[22:13:20] <calducciano> just a sec
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• 3309[22:14:36] <calducciano> all it says
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• 3311[22:15:13] <calducciano> mount: //192.168.20.24/GroupShare mounted on /home/calducciano/Development/sharedrive
• 3312[22:15:24] <calducciano> and I can access it no problem
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• 3314[22:15:36] <calducciano> issue is that all the files and directories show up as belonging to root:root
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• 3316[22:15:57] <calducciano> yesterday this was working no problem
• 3317[22:16:26] <calducciano> the files and directories showed up as shareuser:shareusers
• 3318[22:16:36] <BenNZ> thats not what i wanted to see from the output
• 3319[22:16:46] <calducciano> I did it with -v
• 3320[22:16:52] <calducciano> that's all that got spit out
• 3321[22:17:01] <calducciano> unless you're talking about the output of the ls
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• 3323[22:18:49] <calducciano> sudo mount -v -t cifs -o username=shareuser,password=1840299423CC //192.168.20.24/GroupShare sharedrive
• 3324[22:18:50] <calducciano> mount: //192.168.20.24/GroupShare mounted on /home/eric/Development/sharedrive.
• 3325[22:19:00] <calducciano> that's the entire output
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• 3329[22:20:43] <BenNZ> ok whats the output of ls -ld /home/eric/Development/sharedrive
• 3330[22:20:45] <DammitJim> what is a faster way to transfer files than using scp
• 3331[22:20:53] <greycat> rsync
• 3332[22:21:06] <DammitJim> from server to server?
• 3333[22:21:10] <DammitJim> rsync over samba?
• 3334[22:21:25] <greycat> that would be rather silly
• 3335[22:21:39] <DammitJim> sorry, I think I don't know something you seem to know
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• 3337[22:21:49] <greycat> rsync instead of scp. that's it. that's the answer.
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• 3339[22:21:55] <well_laid_lawn> scp is limited only by the network and disk read/write speeds
• 3340[22:21:57] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 11 11:09 .
• 3341[22:21:59] <calducciano> drwxrwxr-x 5 eric eric 4096 Jan 4 13:51 ..
• 3342[22:22:01] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 279 Dec 23 19:23 .asoundrc
• 3343[22:22:02] <DammitJim> ok
• 3344[22:22:03] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26949 Jan 11 11:09 .bash_history
• 3345[22:22:05] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 220 Dec 23 17:20 .bash_logout
• 3346[22:22:07] <calducciano> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3526 Dec 23 17:20 .bashrc
• 3347[22:22:09] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 9 22:37 bios
• 3348[22:22:11] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Dec 23 18:56 .cache
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• 3350[22:22:15] <mutante> you can do just rsync protocol by setting it up on both sides, or you can do rsync over ssh
• 3351[22:22:22] <DammitJim> but I should do something like: rsync <myfile> <server>:/destination_directory/
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• 3353[22:22:34] <DammitJim> I guess I am only thinking rsync over ssh
• 3354[22:22:38] <annadane> calducciano, paste.debian.net for long pastes
• 3355[22:22:39] <greycat> DammitJim: you should rsync the entire directory instead of single files
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• 3357[22:22:46] <calducciano> yeah, sorry about that
• 3358[22:22:54] <BenNZ> it wasnt what i was asking for anyway
• 3359[22:23:07] <calducciano> but I did an ls -al in the directory you asked
• 3360[22:23:07] <greycat> ls -ld and ls -l are not the same
• 3361[22:23:14] <mutante> i am not sure if rsync (vs rsync/ssh) would be faster and how much
• 3362[22:23:16] <calducciano> oh sorry, -ld
• 3363[22:23:21] <DammitJim> I'm just doing a throughput test comparisson
• 3364[22:23:30] <calducciano> sorry I didn't see that, my brain immediately though -al
• 3365[22:23:32] <calducciano> lol
• 3366[22:23:34] <calducciano> <--- idiot
• 3367[22:24:10] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jan 11 11:09 .
• 3368[22:24:30] <BenNZ> ok now unmount the share and do the same
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• 3371[22:24:59] <calducciano> drwxrwxr-x 2 eric eric 4096 Jan 3 19:12 .
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• 3374[22:26:48] <BenNZ> add the uid of user eric to the mount options
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• 3376[22:26:59] <BenNZ> or gid if you want to use more then one user
• 3377[22:27:15] <calducciano> quick question, there is no eric on the server
• 3378[22:27:31] <calducciano> so I log in as shareuser
• 3379[22:27:45] <calducciano> and smd.conf has that share configured for only one user and it is shareuser
• 3380[22:27:55] <calducciano> smb.conf that is
• 3381[22:28:00] <calducciano> and again, this has been working before
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• 3383[22:28:19] <BenNZ> calducciano: sudo mount -v -t cifs -o uid=xxxx username=shareuser,password=1840299423CC //192.168.20.24/GroupShare sharedrive
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• 3385[22:28:42] <calducciano> and that's the uid from my client box?
• 3386[22:28:53] <calducciano> since no uid exists for eric on the server?
• 3387[22:28:54] <BenNZ> yes the one youre trying to mount the share from
• 3388[22:29:01] <calducciano> ok
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• 3393[22:30:17] <calducciano> oh interesting
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• 3395[22:30:39] <devgt5> hi, i want to remove firefox from the system but for some reason the system says it cant find it
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• 3397[22:30:43] <calducciano> drwxr-xr-x 2 eric root 0 Jan 11 11:09 .
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• 3399[22:31:22] <BenNZ> there you go you can use gid if you need eric:eric
• 3400[22:31:39] <calducciano> ok, so that solved it because now I can write to the drive
• 3401[22:31:45] <calducciano> thank you very much
• 3402[22:31:51] <annadane> devgt5, firefox or firefox ESR?
• 3403[22:31:52] <calducciano> now, I just have a couple questions
• 3404[22:32:03] <annadane> seeing as how stretch doesn't have regular firefox in the repository
• 3405[22:32:08] <calducciano> why do you think (and I know this is out there) that something like that would have suddenly changed
• 3406[22:32:11] <annadane> try apt remove or apt purge firefox-esr
• 3407[22:32:23] <calducciano> before I was able to log in with the previous credentials and everythign was fine
• 3408[22:32:51] <devgt5> annadane oh
• 3409[22:32:52] <calducciano> I want to blame the bluetooth drivers I built on the server and installed but the script looks pretty benign
• 3410[22:32:57] <devgt5> yes firefox esr
• 3411[22:32:59] <devgt5> let me try
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• 3413[22:33:18] <BenNZ> calducciano: not sure maybe something was updated
• 3414[22:33:23] <devgt5> annadane
• 3415[22:33:25] <devgt5> it works
• 3416[22:33:30] <annadane> !next
• 3417[22:33:30] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
• 3418[22:33:35] <calducciano> well, I really appreciate your help and your patience
• 3419[22:33:46] <calducciano> thanks a million BenNZ
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• 3421[22:33:58] <annadane> ben can handle all the complicated stuff and i'll answer the piss-easy questions :P
• 3422[22:34:06] <V7> How to completely remove phpmyadmin to not show then question "Reinstall database for phpmyadmin ?" when reinstalling it ?
• 3423[22:34:08] <devgt5> annadane is it possible to install programs offline in debian
• 3424[22:34:16] <calducciano> BenNZ was very patient and tolerant of me
• 3425[22:34:20] <calducciano> much appreicated
• 3426[22:34:26] <BenNZ> thats ok
• 3427[22:34:44] <oo_miguel> I am trying to use stterm instead of xterm but it does not work in midnight commander as expected. the screen is only refreshed about every 3 keystrokes.. so i can not highlight files when moving around with arrows
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• 3430[22:35:09] <oo_miguel> when i override TERM=screen or TERM=xterm etc.. it works as expected
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• 3433[22:35:18] <oo_miguel> however the TERM=stterm setting is causing this problem
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• 3435[22:35:24] <annadane> devgt5, it is but i'm unsure how
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• 3437[22:35:50] <devgt5> hmm i know i can download the program
• 3438[22:36:19] <devgt5> but if i have system that is not connected to the internet and want to install some software
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• 3441[22:37:20] <devgt5> what is the command to see all connected ip's to the network ?
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• 3443[22:39:12] <annadane> the sort of very easy answer is dpkg -i foo.deb but i'm not sure if that's the debian way
• 3444[22:39:33] <littlebit> hi people, I want to use sed to search for a line beginning with foobar and delete that line and the one below it. I reached to: sed '/^foobar/d' file
• 3445[22:39:34] <littlebit> but how to I make it delete the line below it?
• 3446[22:39:37] <devgt5> oh
• 3447[22:39:51] <ChmEarl> devgt5, ip neigh
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• 3450[22:40:34] <devgt5> ChmEarl thanks
• 3451[22:41:04] <devgt5> ChmEarl it just shows me one ip
• 3452[22:41:18] <devgt5> but it should show more since its a wifi network
• 3453[22:41:20] <ChmEarl> devgt5, its only within your subnet
• 3454[22:41:52] <devgt5> how about for the all connected devices to the network
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• 3462[22:46:13] <devgt5> are there any other browsers for debian ?
• 3463[22:46:32] <littlebit> hi people, I want to use sed to search for a line beginning with foobar and delete that line and the one below it. I reached to: sed '/^foobar/d' file ; but how do i make it delete the line below it?
• 3464[22:46:38] <annadane> well, chromium
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• 3467[22:46:50] <devgt5> nothing with google lol
• 3468[22:46:57] <devgt5> something open source
• 3469[22:46:59] <annadane> chromium is un-googled chrome
• 3470[22:47:17] <devgt5> oh
• 3471[22:48:00] <annadane> (and is actually the original; chrome is a fork of chromium and not the other way around)
• 3472[22:48:15] <devgt5> oh
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• 3475[22:52:23] <annadane> devgt5, replaced-url
• 3476[22:52:39] <annadane> though you can probably use tar.gz versions of other browsers anyway
• 3477[22:52:45] <annadane> which don't get elevated privileges
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• 3532[23:22:40] <ChunkzZ> why does pcmanfm shows 460gb free and thunar shows 499gb free on my hdd?
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• 3538[23:26:12] <blind> is pcmanfm maybe actually showing GiB? 460GiB would be 493GB so it's a little off so maybe that's not it, but that's my first guess.
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• 3543[23:27:04] <annadane> you can also cross reference it using df
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• 3545[23:27:39] <somiaj> maybe they are computing blocksize differently? replaced-url
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• 3547[23:27:59] <KingParrot> Can one get debian with MATE desktop?
• 3548[23:28:14] <somiaj> The last post seems to suggest if you deleted something in a filemanager, it might be fully free on the drive causing other tools to not see the change
• 3549[23:28:17] <annadane> df -h is more readable
• 3550[23:28:27] <annadane> KingParrot, sure, you can select it in the installer or install it manually
• 3551[23:28:33] <somiaj> KingParrot: yes, debian provides mate as an option since jessie
• 3552[23:28:47] <KingParrot> ok
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• 3554[23:29:13] <ChunkzZ> blind, pcmanfm says 465.8GiB where as thunar shows 499GB
• 3555[23:29:17] <KingParrot> Parrot 2.1 is based on Jessie.
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• 3557[23:29:36] <blind> ChunkzZ: that checks out for GiB/GB mixup then
• 3558[23:29:45] <annadane> well, parrot may or may not have MATE
• 3559[23:29:52] <annadane> !tell KingParrot about based on debian
• 3560[23:30:09] <somiaj> ChunkzZ: Gib vs GB are not the same unit
• 3561[23:30:16] <KingParrot> yes Parrot 2.1 has MATE
• 3562[23:30:22] <ChunkzZ> yeah I feel stupid now somiaj lol
• 3563[23:30:25] <somiaj> 1000 instead of 1024 per prefix.
• 3564[23:30:46] <somiaj> KingParrot: we don't support parrort here, but yes Debian has mate if you install it.
• 3565[23:30:49] <KingParrot> the MATE ON Parrot 2.1 is very uniq
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• 3567[23:31:06] <blind> nah don't feel stupid. i think the whole GiB thing is stupid.
• 3568[23:31:22] <somiaj> just hardware companies try to make things sound bigger than they are.
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• 3573[23:33:47] <blind> I also really hate when software does /1000 calculations and calls it GB. just even more confusion for the fire. if you're going to do /1000 then call it the name that was specifically designed for doing that calculation.
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• 3576[23:35:19] <KingParrot> I was trying to install python3-tk_3.5.1-1 or python-tk_2.7.11-2 both from a deb file
• 3577[23:35:32] <KingParrot> but I ran into deb depandancy issues
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• 3579[23:36:36] <somiaj> KingParrot: it sounds like you are running parrot, so please use tiehr support.
• 3580[23:36:47] <somiaj> dependency issues will be due to the repo you are using
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• 3583[23:37:50] <KingParrot> I am here because maybe someone knows more about how to obtain the correct deb file.
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• 3585[23:38:17] <blind> For Parrot? Not likely in the debian channel.
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• 3587[23:38:35] <annadane> use their support and also probably don't install individual .debs as it leads to dependency conflicts
• 3588[23:38:44] <somiaj> KingParrot: so use the support of the OS that better knows how their repo is built
• 3589[23:38:46] <annadane> again though parrot is not debian
• 3590[23:38:56] <KingParrot> For any
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• 3595[23:39:05] <blind> That's not how it works.
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• 3597[23:40:02] <KingParrot> both ubuntu MATE 16.04 and peppermint had told me I need blt (>= 2.4z-9) but I have not been able to find it
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• 3599[23:41:06] <somiaj> KingParrot: go ask support for the os you choose to run which is Parrot, you have already been informed it is off-topic here
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• 3602[23:42:34] <annadane> i'd probably not run advanced pentesting distributions at your level anyway
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• 3609[23:44:45] <KingParrot> Does anyone know where to download blt blt (>= 2.4z-9)?
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• 3611[23:44:58] <annadane> KingParrot, you have been told repeatedly to go ask parrot support and not debian
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• 3613[23:45:45] <KingParrot> I am not talking about Parrot I am talking about a deb depandancy
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• 3615[23:46:07] <KingParrot> it is a deb file I seek to obtain.
• 3616[23:46:27] <KingParrot> oh maybe deb files are not Debain based after all.
• 3617[23:46:39] <annadane> yes but if you install a .deb in parrot which you don't even know if you need you're likely to break parrot regardless
• 3618[23:46:46] <blind> The deb file you need is designed to work with other packages how they expect to be assembled in a certain system. You cannot go grab any file and expect to install it without causing dependency issues.
• 3619[23:46:46] <annadane> your core OS is still parrot
• 3620[23:47:05] <KingParrot> I installed it into Peppermint and ubuntu
• 3621[23:47:13] <KingParrot> I did not try this on Parrot
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• 3623[23:47:31] <KingParrot> but maybe it would work on Parrot regardless of the depandancy issue.
• 3624[23:47:45] <blind> I bet Parrot support would know for sure.
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• 3626[23:48:32] <annadane> KingParrot, if you continually mix distributions and packages (this is the point of repositories, to prevent these kinds of issues) you're going to break every system you touch
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• 3638[23:51:21] <KingParrot> I did not think to try to install python-tk_2.7.11-2 on Parrot
• 3639[23:51:21] <KingParrot> This in a way is a good Idea
• 3640[23:51:21] <KingParrot> I do have parrot installed on an other HD I think so I could give it a try.
• 3641[23:51:21] <KingParrot> I was giving some thought to trying to obtain an other deb based distro to see if I would have the exsact same depandancy issue on one of them.
• 3642[23:51:25] <somiaj> KingParrot: dependencies depend on who made the .deb file and which os it was designed to be instaleld in. It is not a debian issue. Again go use parrot support.
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• 3648[23:51:58] <KingParrot> lol
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• 3650[23:52:44] <somiaj> I don't think you understand how .debs and dependecies in a shared libary system work.
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• 3652[23:52:46] <KingParrot> I am going to seek Peppermint support because I attempted to install it on Peppermint
• 3653[23:52:54] <annadane> if you don't know basic things like this then perhaps not use parrot - which is meant for advanced users - and use the far more idiot proof debian stable
• 3654[23:53:04] <KingParrot> Peppermint is not rpm based.
• 3655[23:53:08] <KingParrot> lol
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• 3659[23:53:48] <simbalion> Is there a guide somewhere on how the .desktop files work? I want to organize my ~/.local/share/applications folder and use sub-folders if possible because right now there's like 1000 files and it's a mess.
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• 3677[23:55:09] <somiaj> simbalion: lots of guides, check freedesktop.org for specifications. I don't know if it is possible to put them in subdirectories or not
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• 3681[23:56:06] <simbalion> There are some subfolders already for wine for example
• 3682[23:56:11] <ChunkzZ_> Parrot seems interesting, never heard of it before.
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• 3685[23:56:24] <simbalion> somiaj: thanks for the link :)
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• 3697[23:58:47] <calducciano> what's the definitive C library these days for CD-ROM calls
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• 3700[23:59:03] <calducciano> one that takes MMC instructions well
• 3701[23:59:07] <calducciano> still libcdio?
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