• 0[00:00:10] <dutchfish> jordila, then you were that user .... dugh
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• 2[00:00:28] <jordila> no i am not... i entered as admin , and using sudo ...
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• 7[00:01:17] <jordila> the thing is that, as said, when 'cat /etc/passwd | grep :0: ' ... i can see two users: 'root' and 'alice'
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• 10[00:02:02] <jordila> (being 'alice' ... a non active anymore / 'old user' i want to get rid of ..)
• 11[00:02:06] <dutchfish> jordila, you can find out which ID you are with 'id' before and after the sudo.
• 12[00:02:08] <jordila> what am i missing ?
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• 15[00:02:57] <dutchfish> jordila, it also returns what groups that uuid is contained within.
• 16[00:03:19] <jordila> i'll try to go step, by step...
• 17[00:03:25] <dutchfish> ok
• 18[00:03:29] <jordila> ssh , re-login
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• 21[00:04:04] <jordila> okey... i'm in as 'admin' whith sudo priveleges
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• 23[00:04:50] <jordila> '$ sudo id' --> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),33(replaced-url
• 24[00:04:51] <dutchfish> jordila, so `id && sudo id` will give you all you need
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• 28[00:05:40] <jordila> i get and additional ...
• 29[00:05:41] <jordila> uid=1000(admin) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
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• 32[00:06:11] <dutchfish> jordila, now you now, what ńot'to touch in regards to uuid's
• 33[00:06:17] <dutchfish> s/now/know
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• 35[00:06:32] <jordila> sure dutchfish
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• 37[00:06:39] <wintrmute> hi guys, whats the plan for addressing spectre/meltdown? anyone know how soon main stable will be patchable?
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• 39[00:07:08] <jordila> nowe, when ... ' $ sudo userdel alice ' --> userdel: user alice is currently used by process 1
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• 41[00:07:45] <dutchfish> jordila, next: `sudo id alice` or whatever name for the obselete user.
• 42[00:08:27] <jordila> sure... '$ sudo id alice' --> uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root),33(replaced-url
• 43[00:09:05] <dutchfish> ouch, so someone made alice root user?
• 44[00:09:05] <jordila> that naturally leads to the situation described above : cannot deluser ... even with --force parameter .
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• 46[00:09:25] <dutchfish> ok
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• 48[00:09:47] * jordila does not recall making alice root user ...
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• 51[00:10:04] <dutchfish> ok
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• 54[00:10:37] <dutchfish> next find out the PIDS for all the processes for user alice | ps auxww | grep alice
• 55[00:11:23] <dutchfish> dont paste that in here
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• 57[00:11:57] <dutchfish> next kill those PIDS as usual after veryfying what processes they are and are not essential for your system
• 58[00:12:38] <jordila> ps auxreplaced-url
• 59[00:13:14] <dutchfish> jordila, then that proces which you talked earlier is not owned by alice
• 60[00:13:16] <jordila> just only : "admin 27313 0.0 0.1 12784 948 pts/0 S+ 00:11 0:00 grep alice" itself ?
• 61[00:13:32] <dutchfish> jordila, you can ignore that line
• 62[00:13:35] <waydot> doesnt matter who's logged in, the id of those users is 0
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• 67[00:14:13] <waydot> the only thing that actually matters are extra lines which allow logins via usernames different than 'root'
• 68[00:14:14] <jordila> ah.. if i try to 'sudo userdel alice'
• 69[00:14:35] <waydot> just get rid of those and you're fine
• 70[00:14:46] <jordila> how to ... ?
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• 72[00:14:53] <waydot> vi /etc/passwd
• 73[00:14:58] <waydot> move to the offending line
• 74[00:14:59] <waydot> dd
• 75[00:15:02] <waydot> :wq
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• 77[00:15:39] * jordila was saying ... $ sudo userdel alice --> userdel: user alice is currently used by process 1
• 78[00:16:05] <waydot> or, as mnuhmnuh said, vipw, which does some extra magic
• 79[00:16:10] <jordila> waydot, if i get it.. removing 'alice' from the passwd files would do the job ?
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• 81[00:16:29] <teclo-> just edit with vipw and vigr jordila, we told you three times already
• 82[00:16:37] <waydot> i'm guessing: that message is because uid of 'alice' == 0
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• 84[00:16:47] * jordila is puzzled
• 85[00:16:47] <waydot> which of course is the uid of init
• 86[00:17:08] <waydot> by what?
• 87[00:17:26] <dutchfish> waydot, that still doesnt ensures that no currently running processes started by that user are ended, unless a those are killed. Am i wrong?
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• 89[00:18:01] <waydot> dutchfish: i think you're right, but those processes are uid 0 anyway, right?
• 90[00:18:03] <dutchfish> waydot, hence his problem not able to do a normal userdel
• 91[00:18:19] <dutchfish> waydot, yes
• 92[00:18:22] <waydot> so how can you distinguish between those and those started by 'root' ?
• 93[00:18:35] <waydot> except by process tree
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• 97[00:19:07] <waydot> one could look and analyse the environment as well, but to me that may be more work
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• 99[00:19:24] <dutchfish> waydot, jordila the simplest way is indeed removing the offending line of the passwd file and reboot the system, if that is possible.
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• 102[00:19:45] <jordila> is possible... ok.. let's do it...
• 103[00:19:47] <dutchfish> waydot, that way no processes will restart for user alice
• 104[00:19:58] <waydot> i might have been simplifying in that i assumed his concern is to remove the users, not their processes (if active)
• 105[00:20:11] <dutchfish> but that is not the end of the story
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• 108[00:20:22] <waydot> :)
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• 111[00:20:39] <dutchfish> a user with root access can have done starting script as root user
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• 113[00:20:59] <dutchfish> so after the reboot you have to track those down carefully
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• 115[00:21:15] <waydot> well, if there is a chance the system is compromised, there's only one way anyway ...
• 116[00:21:28] <dutchfish> waydot, true
• 117[00:21:56] * jordila user deleted, as suggested | rebooting server .. now
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• 119[00:22:00] <dutchfish> waydot, jordila i assumed in all this, this is done by an admin you know, but now want to remove?
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• 121[00:23:02] <dutchfish> jordila, if not, reinstall the system or use a backup before all this happened, if possible.
• 122[00:23:13] <jordila> yes, this is a (now) useless regular user account (not active anymore, since years ago...) ... i cannot recall making him 'root'
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• 125[00:24:04] <jordila> dutchfish, indeed... i'm already thinking about moving to a fresh (new) server, as ultimatum
• 126[00:24:07] <dutchfish> ok, but spend some time wiht `ps auxww` tracking all pids down, if they are legit
• 127[00:24:40] <dutchfish> jordila, the later would be the best. Trust nothing is my motto ;)
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• 132[00:25:10] <jordila> ok, logged in again... after reboot
• 133[00:25:15] <waydot> jordila: if you have an old server, with regular users with id 0, possibly administered by someone else in the past, you're thinking the right way when considering fresh reinstall :)
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• 136[00:25:40] * jordila always administered the system himself...
• 137[00:26:16] <waydot> well, then how non-root user ended up with uid 0 is a good question ...
• 138[00:26:21] <dutchfish> waydot, soe firewalls use this technic, by removing or disabling the standard root user and promoting an admin user .... its quiet common and legit.
• 139[00:26:22] <jordila> of course, my debian says now 'userdel: user 'alice' does not exist
• 140[00:26:22] <jordila> '
• 141[00:26:50] <dutchfish> jordila, then you or done for now, but track all those pids
• 142[00:26:58] <waydot> i once tricked an admin of a system into giving a friend user account with uid 0 :) i dont know if anyone ever figured that one out
• 143[00:27:01] <jordila> waydot, that's what worries me... on top of some strange changes on sshd_config file
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• 145[00:27:11] <waydot> it was an experiment on social engineering :P
• 146[00:27:20] <jordila> :-P
• 147[00:27:33] <dutchfish> waydot, yeh, happens as well
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• 150[00:28:02] <waydot> dutchfish: hm, but you say disabling root - to me that's just renaming root account; otoh having two or more active users with uid 0 is a different story
• 151[00:28:12] <waydot> i mean, totally okay, if you know what you're doing
• 152[00:28:27] <waydot> i'm actually one of admins on one such box :)
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• 155[00:28:43] <paulasdf> I've made a liveUSB with dd, but when I go to boot from it it hangs at the ISOLINUX copyright. I've booted from USB on this computer before so I know it's possible.
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• 157[00:28:49] * jordila loves Debian GNU Linux
• 158[00:28:50] <waydot> dutchfish: there's a weird sshd_config file? ... must've missed that part
• 159[00:28:54] <dutchfish> waydot, well, atleast disable root login over ssh. Then create an admin user with an ssh key.
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• 162[00:29:16] <dutchfish> waydot, yes
• 163[00:29:16] <jordila> that's the case, dutchfish ...
• 164[00:29:29] <dutchfish> ok, good
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• 166[00:29:42] <dutchfish> jordila, still consider a fresh install
• 167[00:30:00] <jordila> the strange changes at sshd_config were precisely that from 'no' ... PermitLogin ... was changing to 'without-password' repeteadly
• 168[00:30:48] <dutchfish> jordila, well, if a key is needed and this system has no world wide access ... but still i use keys AND passwords
• 169[00:30:49] * jordila could'nt identify any unwanted ssh login traces at auth.log ... though
• 170[00:31:30] <dutchfish> jordila, thats no garanty either, if the system has been tampered
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• 172[00:31:48] <jordila> sorry , typo error ... i mean...
• 173[00:31:49] <scootypuff> I'm on debian stable and "apt-get upgrade" is wanting me to update my kernel. is that the new update for the intel bug?
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• 175[00:31:57] <jordila> he strange changes at sshd_config were precisely that from 'no' ... PermitRootLogin ... was changing to 'without-password' repeteadly
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• 177[00:32:13] <dutchfish> jordila, its up to you to judge about a former collague/friend/techsupport or whatever use alice was
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• 180[00:33:05] <jordila> indeed... she played the designer/themer role in a Drupal CMS prooject, not anymore...
• 181[00:33:05] <dutchfish> jordila, hint sudoer action are logged delve into all logs
• 182[00:33:26] <dutchfish> ok
• 183[00:33:46] <jordila> again, what worries me is that i cannot recall giving her 'root' UID 0 ... who did ?
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• 185[00:33:54] <paulasdf> I've made a liveUSB with dd, but when I go to boot from it it hangs at the ISOLINUX copyright. I've installed other distros from USB on this computer before so I know it's possible. Can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
• 186[00:34:00] * jordila has been the only sysadmin
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• 188[00:34:10] <dutchfish> jordila, well only root can do this, so change your password ;)
• 189[00:34:38] <dutchfish> jordila, and make sure it is a safe one
• 190[00:34:51] <jordila> i did... indeed, dutchfish ..., change passwd, added fail2ban, changed ssh port to non-standard ...
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• 192[00:35:02] <dutchfish> good
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• 194[00:35:13] <jordila> any other hints are more than welcomed...
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• 196[00:35:29] <dutchfish> jordila, also, thnk about other ways like local console access possibilties ....
• 197[00:35:35] <jordila> BTW, i went through useful rkunter
• 198[00:35:40] <jordila> rkhunter
• 199[00:35:47] <dutchfish> jordila, or even worse remote KVM
• 200[00:35:53] <jordila> uops
• 201[00:36:17] * jordila in the days of spectrum's and meltdowns... umhh
• 202[00:36:37] * mnuhmnuh !@#$ happens. got backups?
• 203[00:36:50] <dutchfish> jordila, well, rkhunter is limited altho usefull, but less if it is installed after being compromised
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• 205[00:37:05] <jordila> additionally rkhunter said :
• 206[00:37:26] <jordila> Possible rootkits: 1
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• 208[00:37:34] <teclo-> hu hu
• 209[00:37:35] <dutchfish> jordila, also replaced-url
• 210[00:37:39] <jordila> Rootkit names : RH-Sharpe's Rootkit
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• 213[00:37:59] <jordila> any hints are more than welcomed
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• 216[00:38:15] <dutchfish> jordila, thats not good. hint: reinstall!
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• 219[00:38:43] <jordila> ... in the end, that's we'll have to do ... indeed .
• 220[00:39:21] <dutchfish> jordila, bare in mind that rkhunter sometimes do false positives
• 221[00:39:22] <jordila> so, rkhunter is definitively giving the diagnostic ... seems to
• 222[00:39:25] <waydot> scootypuff: apparently :)
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• 224[00:39:30] <waydot> replaced-url
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• 226[00:39:36] <waydot> stretch has a fix
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• 229[00:41:04] <jordila> i see waydot, fixed version '4.9.65-3+deb9u2'
• 230[00:41:37] <waydot> good news; everyone, upgrade now :)
• 231[00:41:40] <jordila> i'm at '4.9.0-4-amd64' now... may i react / patch ?
• 232[00:41:40] <dutchfish> jordila, if it was a system under my responsibility, i would reinstall, handsdown.
• 233[00:41:56] <Sveta> That's kind of arbitrary.
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• 235[00:41:57] <townower> how bad is it to have to reinstall? hasn;t that gone the way of having to reboot ...
• 236[00:42:09] * dutchfish mumbles 4.14.11 contains the fix as well (testing/sid soon i hope)
• 237[00:42:16] <paulasdf> I've made a liveUSB with dd, but when I go to boot from it it hangs at the ISOLINUX copyright. I've installed other distros from USB on this computer before so I know it's possible. Can anyone help me figure out what's going on?
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• 241[00:42:44] <waydot> townower: his machine might have been compromised :) unrelated to intel security bugs
• 242[00:42:44] <jordila> townower .. .umh, sorry, dont' get it ...
• 243[00:42:58] * jordila now gets it
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• 245[00:43:12] <jordila> that's the case... seems to, waydot
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• 248[00:43:41] <townower> what is your actual problem :)
• 249[00:44:26] <townower> i've never had to reinstall ... except the first day i started
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• 252[00:45:07] <dutchfish> townower, other have messed on that system, what would you do then?
• 253[00:45:08] <waydot> townower: you dont *have* to reinstall if you had a security breach; but it's the only way to trust the system again
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• 255[00:45:38] <jordila> i think i'll give the lasts actions an opportunity... and i've see a repeated strange move on sshd_config (as said before) , umh, then , Yes, re-install or move to another fresh server
• 256[00:46:03] <dutchfish> jordila, good
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• 258[00:46:25] * jordila and of course, work in a 'balancing' ... backup scenario, in parallel
• 259[00:46:27] <mnuhmnuh> ,tripwire
• 260[00:46:36] <mnuhmnuh> .tripwire
• 261[00:46:45] <dutchfish> !tripwire
• 262[00:46:46] <dpkg> Open Source Tripwire (packaged for Debian as tripwire) is a host-based intrusion detection system. It monitors a designated set of files, notifying the system administrator about corruption or tampering. replaced-url
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• 264[00:47:01] * jordila although enjoying the conversation... needs some rest
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• 267[00:47:17] <dutchfish> jordila, i am out as well, good luck!
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• 269[00:47:35] <jordila> thanks dutchfish , have a good rest
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• 272[00:47:43] <mnuhmnuh> ty.
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• 274[00:48:02] * jordila nice to know about Tripwire ...
• 275[00:48:16] <mnuhmnuh> .beer jordilla
• 276[00:48:26] <mnuhmnuh> .beer jordila
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• 281[00:49:45] <waydot> ah, kernel installed; here we go ...
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• 287[00:50:56] <townower> proof that he did indeed have a security breach?
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• 336[01:17:31] <Janni> Hi there. Tell me if I'm too off-topic... I have a question regarding Spectre (not the Bond film). I'd say I have a pretty good (albeit vague) idea of how it works, but one thing is not quite clear to me: why would an attack not result in a segmentation fault? In case someone attacks the browser via JavaScript I understand how you can get to sensitive data from the same virtual address space. But in order to access data from another application you'd
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• 338[01:18:22] <Janni> And page faults can be caught by a handler, and if not one can always fork before the segmentation fault hits... (as read on Wikipedia).
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• 342[01:20:41] <Janni> So as a normal Debian user, what's to do? Install NoScript and that's it?
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• 346[01:21:28] <Janni> Hmm. It's awfully quiet on this channel, isn't it?
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• 356[01:26:41] <townower> use dillo or or w3m which have no javascript ;)
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• 369[01:29:36] <Janni> townower: I'm hoping that this will have a huge impact on website programming. Now all of them will have to work with JavaScript disabled. (I know, I know, I'm waaaayyy too optimistic.)
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• 378[01:31:22] <geri> sudo subl /etc/hostname sudo: unable to resolve host debian-virtualBox
• 379[01:31:26] <geri> why i get that error?
• 380[01:31:30] <geri> i wanna change the hostname
• 381[01:31:42] <Janni> I'm not sure why, but I'm tremendously fascinated possibly even enthusiastic about these vulnerabilities. I've never been particularly interested in computer security, but these exploits have a certain beauty to them. I can't quite get over it.
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• 388[01:34:42] <geri> why i cant change the hostname?
• 389[01:34:49] <cr1t1cal> Just installed a fresh debian buster
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• 392[01:35:09] <cr1t1cal> no sound. I ran alsactl and it said it found my soundcard
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• 394[01:35:38] <cr1t1cal> I tried alsamixer, and I saw a S/PDIF that was muted and had no volume bar on it, meaning i couldn't change the volume
• 395[01:35:40] <geri> sudo echo "text-server-1" > /etc/hostname bash: /etc/hostname: Permission denied
• 396[01:35:45] <cr1t1cal> so I unmuted that, and still no sound
• 397[01:35:55] <cr1t1cal> I don't know what to dnext
• 398[01:36:53] <townower> use dillo or curl :) or w3m which have no javascript ;)
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• 402[01:37:35] <buu> geri: you can't use sudo echo > because the '> foo' part runs in your current shell, not the sudo shell
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• 404[01:38:38] <mnuhmnuh> lspci | grep -i "audio device" # not sure that quoting works, play ...
• 405[01:39:37] <mnuhmnuh> lspci | grep 'Audio device'
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• 407[01:40:00] <cr1t1cal> AMD trinity HDMI audio controller
• 408[01:40:04] <cr1t1cal> and
• 409[01:40:10] <cr1t1cal> AMD FCH azalia controller (rev 01)
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• 412[01:40:29] <mnuhmnuh> confusion reigns. :-)
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• 414[01:40:54] <cr1t1cal> I will restart and then come back to this channel in 2 minutes
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• 438[01:46:26] <cr1t1cal> still not working
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• 440[01:46:33] <cr1t1cal> any suggestions?
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• 444[01:47:58] <jim> something about your sound cards?
• 445[01:48:18] <cr1t1cal> no they are working fine on my windows ( i dual boot )
• 446[01:48:28] <cr1t1cal> something to do with alsa
• 447[01:48:35] <cr1t1cal> alsactl init shows hardware found
• 448[01:48:39] <jim> but they don['t work under linux?
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• 450[01:48:59] <cr1t1cal> they have on a prior debian installation, but they are not working on this one
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• 453[01:49:09] <rjsalts> are they muted?
• 454[01:49:13] <mnuhmnuh> cr1t1cal: pulseaudio doesn't do it for you?
• 455[01:49:15] <cr1t1cal> nope
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• 457[01:49:19] <jim> does alsamixer work, and does f6 show the cards?
• 458[01:49:20] <cr1t1cal> i dont have pulseaudio installed
• 459[01:49:25] <cr1t1cal> jim: yes it does
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• 461[01:49:54] <jim> so then the driver was found... hmm
• 462[01:50:09] <cr1t1cal> jim: for my default sound card, it shows an S/PDIF bar that is unmuted (or OO) without a volume bar
• 463[01:50:22] <cr1t1cal> so i switched to my other soundcard as default my editing asound.conf
• 464[01:50:34] <cr1t1cal> which does have volume bars (unmuted as well)
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• 466[01:50:52] <cr1t1cal> for master, headphone, mic everything. i restarted my computer and still sound is not working
• 467[01:50:53] <jim> and when you do that...?
• 468[01:50:59] <cr1t1cal> just then
• 469[01:51:04] <cr1t1cal> like 5 minutes ago
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• 472[01:51:17] <cr1t1cal> I'll install pulseaudio and see if anything works
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• 474[01:52:06] <rjsalts> mozilla firefox at least only supports the pulseaudio apis, can't talk directly to alsa anymore
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• 480[01:53:13] <cr1t1cal> rjsalts: oo
• 481[01:53:16] <cr1t1cal> rjsalts: really?
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• 483[01:53:27] <cr1t1cal> rjsalts: that might be the problem then, all sound tests of mine are from firefox
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• 485[01:53:58] <cr1t1cal> well
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• 487[01:54:01] <cr1t1cal> I just installed pulseaudio
• 488[01:54:11] <cr1t1cal> and ran alsactl restore
• 489[01:54:15] <cr1t1cal> yet firefox is not working
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• 491[01:54:19] <cr1t1cal> again
• 492[01:54:40] <cr1t1cal> how do I enable pulseaudio, shouldn't it enable automatically?
• 493[01:54:53] <rjsalts> replaced-url
• 494[01:55:02] <jim> cr1t1cal, on #alsa, they know of a script that pastebins your sound setup and other details about your system... I think it;s called alsa-info.sh
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• 496[01:55:29] <cr1t1cal> jim: okay
• 497[01:55:38] <cr1t1cal> i just wanted to know how to enable pulse audio
• 498[01:55:44] <cr1t1cal> i'll do that though
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• 500[01:55:58] <jim> cr1t1cal, which dist are you running?
• 501[01:56:06] <jim> oh, debian
• 502[01:56:12] <jim> :)
• 503[01:56:34] <cr1t1cal> ;D
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• 507[01:58:43] <jim> ok, there are the sources of something called cadence, which makes alsa, pulse and jackd coexist, and there are other benefits, like very flexible routing, and some external packages that give you a logic-like way of plugging things in
• 508[01:59:27] <jim> at minimum, you could build the packages without consequence
• 509[02:00:04] <cr1t1cal> wait
• 510[02:00:09] <cr1t1cal> speaker-test works
• 511[02:00:14] <cr1t1cal> the pink noise goes through
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• 514[02:00:20] <cr1t1cal> but firefox is still not working?
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• 516[02:01:13] <jim> speaker-test working points more toward the driver inserted, and alsamixer working
• 517[02:01:30] <mnuhmnuh> jim: cool! at one time, you had to recompile the kernel to get jackd on debian.
• 518[02:01:34] <cr1t1cal> so what could be wrong?
• 519[02:01:38] <jim> cadence helped me get youtube back :)
• 520[02:01:51] <jim> nope :)
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• 523[02:01:56] <cr1t1cal> jim: how can I get it?
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• 526[02:02:15] <jim> let me find it again, take me awhile
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• 528[02:02:31] <jim> or, I have the sources somewhere
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• 531[02:03:47] <cr1t1cal> wait
• 532[02:03:49] <cr1t1cal> I just fixed it
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• 534[02:03:53] <cr1t1cal> I isntalled alsa-oss
• 535[02:03:56] <cr1t1cal> and it fixed firefox?
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• 538[02:04:03] <cr1t1cal> ???
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• 541[02:04:47] <mnuhmnuh> .beer critical
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• 544[02:05:18] <cr1t1cal> so it wasn't working with oss, so alsa support for oss fixed it?
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• 546[02:05:24] <cr1t1cal> i'm not sure what happened there
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• 551[02:06:45] <jim> found my copy
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• 553[02:07:38] <jim> oh, congrats, you did it
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• 556[02:07:58] <cr1t1cal> yeah I know I still can't figure out what happened
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• 558[02:08:04] <cr1t1cal> jim: installing alsa-oss fixed it
• 559[02:08:13] <jim> so I read
• 560[02:08:38] <jim> still on my screen :)
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• 564[02:09:40] <cr1t1cal> jim: do you have any idea why though?
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• 567[02:10:49] <mnuhmnuh> cr1t1cal: these things have hooks and pointers and tunnels to each other these days.
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• 571[02:11:54] <tiwake> how do I check how many times ECC was utilized? how many soft errors were recovered
• 572[02:11:55] <mnuhmnuh> dive into each'sconfig nand they'll say how they're getting it, or from where.
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• 574[02:12:37] <mnuhmnuh> tiwake: journalctl
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• 577[02:13:09] <cr1t1cal> alright thanks guys
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• 580[02:13:18] <tiwake> mnuhmnuh: since the computer was on? or the lifetime of the operating system?
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• 586[02:15:46] <mnuhmnuh> journalctl -b -0 -n 45
• 587[02:15:52] <mnuhmnuh> ?
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• 589[02:16:50] <mnuhmnuh> or just journalctl then "/ECC"?
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• 598[02:22:30] <lucas-arg> hey guys is debian already patch for the intel bug thing=
• 599[02:22:32] <lucas-arg> ??
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• 602[02:23:33] <dvs> Man! Someone should change the topic.
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• 605[02:23:58] <Sveta> why
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• 607[02:24:43] <townower> lucas-arg: i told you 20 years ago to only use amd chips
• 608[02:25:00] <Sveta> but amd is also affected
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• 612[02:25:23] <townower> Sveta: does that prove they stole intel code?
• 613[02:25:40] <Sveta> perhaps not the code but only the idea
• 614[02:25:43] <townower> Sveta: does that prove they stole intel cpu mask designes
• 615[02:25:56] <Sveta> maybe, maybe not, we don't know
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• 617[02:26:36] <lucas-arg> we are all screwed man
• 618[02:26:42] <lucas-arg> they are all affected
• 619[02:26:42] <Sveta> replaced-url
• 620[02:26:49] <townower> i'm actually reading a great article on it now from reuters just an hour old replaced-url
• 621[02:27:21] <Sveta> I believe the one I linked is the primary source, and everyone else is re-reporting it in more user-friendly ways
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• 623[02:28:51] <townower> i get the feeling it has been known about for a long long time and allowed to exist for the benefits of ..
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• 626[02:31:44] <townower> just like the fact that my parents knew that the lock on my door just needed a light upward yank and the door would open ... for years - i only found out when i locked myself out of my room on my sophmore college summer break and my mom 'let' me back into my room with a very interesting smirk
• 627[02:32:50] <lucas-arg> Based on the analysis performed by this tool: This system is vulnerable.
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• 632[02:34:19] <townower> what tool?
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• 634[02:34:29] * mnuhmnuh this's beginning to sound like "Morris Worm" days. chicken little. :-)
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• 637[02:35:21] <townower> you doubt bind is the most vulnerable piece of oss software ever?
• 638[02:35:43] <mandeep> yesterday i mentioned i had video stutter issues with my display and ive narrowed it down to software. any idea on how to diagnose this?
• 639[02:35:59] <mandeep> i think it's a kernel issue but not sure
• 640[02:36:49] <townower> start with top and ps -efw to see if something is running your don't want rcconf etc
• 641[02:36:53] <mnuhmnuh> townower: i'm much more worried about pebkac than i am about soft & hardware.
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• 643[02:38:44] <townower> that is why i always add -i to cp/mv/rm on new installs for people - tired of fighting with them that they deleted stuff and then deny it :)
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• 647[02:39:24] <mandeep> could someone point me to something on how to revert to a prior kernel version with apt?
• 648[02:40:11] <Megaf> How do I disable a monitor/GPU in xorg.conf?
• 649[02:42:10] <mnuhmnuh> mandeep: check out backports?
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• 653[02:44:27] <mnuhmnuh> replaced-url
• 654[02:44:57] <lucas-arg> i think if we have a firewall on its most improbable to hack at least
• 655[02:45:20] <lucas-arg> even though i cant find the model of my laptop or bios verison or whatever
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• 657[02:45:35] <lucas-arg> there seem to be a list so you can check up if there is any firmware upgrade
• 658[02:45:46] <mnuhmnuh> inxi
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• 660[02:45:53] <mnuhmnuh> lshw
• 661[02:46:40] <mnuhmnuh> lspci
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• 668[02:48:33] * mnuhmnuh recently amazed at the plethora (sp?) of hware "blehhh ..." tools there are out there these days. never heard of inxi.
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• 682[02:54:44] <lucas-arg> i hate hotels wifi
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• 690[03:02:08] * Tintle too
• 691[03:02:14] * DerLGm too
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• 693[03:02:37] <DerLGm> Everyone does. It's like laying in a bed of crabs and stds
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• 697[03:03:57] <mnuhmnuh> if you're in a hotel, you're surrounded by coffee shops, librarys, ...
• 698[03:04:19] <mnuhmnuh> unis
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• 700[03:04:39] <DerLGm> mnuhmnuh: not always
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• 702[03:04:57] <mnuhmnuh> course
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• 704[03:05:28] <mnuhmnuh> i was in khartoum. :-)
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• 706[03:06:04] <mnuhmnuh> gov't ak's in all doorways. :-|
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• 709[03:07:50] <mnuhmnuh> loved it so much i didn't want to come back.
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• 751[03:29:54] <mandeep> what's the recommended way to edit the grub menu? i have two kernels and i want to remove the newest one
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• 753[03:32:00] <dvs> delete that kernel package?
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• 756[03:32:14] <mandeep> dvs no just delete it from grub so it boots to the other kernel
• 757[03:32:26] <dvs> mandeep, then use the default optippn
• 758[03:32:30] <dvs> option
• 759[03:32:39] <mandeep> dvs: the default option is the newest kernel. i want to boot to the prior one
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• 761[03:33:04] <mandeep> 4.9.0.4 has issues so i want to use 4.9.0.3
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• 763[03:33:10] <dvs> mandeep, then change the kernel you want by changing the default option
• 764[03:33:24] <mandeep> dvs: hmm can that be done from grub? i didnt see it
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• 768[03:35:06] <dvs> mandeep, it's called "GRUB_DEFAULT"
• 769[03:35:13] <dvs> in /etc/default/grub
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• 816[04:01:21] <sadtaco> Is there wide availability of Epyc VMs anywhere? My server is 60-70% slower now, it looks like. :/
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• 856[04:22:43] <midhun> replaced-url
• 857[04:22:50] <midhun> please help me
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• 873[04:30:02] <saison> was the latest kernel update for 9.3 related to the Intel specter/meltdown bug?
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• 880[04:34:53] <rjsalts> sorry, that's too old
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• 884[04:36:47] <saison> rjsalts: thanks, I tried looking for the 2018 security mailing list but couldn't find it for some reason
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• 1011[06:27:51] <Spico> Debian 9 ships with a version of vim that has -clipboard (clipboard disabled).
• 1012[06:28:59] <somiaj> I'm not familar with that option, what does it do (vim works just fine with my clipboard here)
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• 1014[06:29:26] <Spico> Let's you copy to system clipboard.
• 1015[06:29:39] <Spico> y = yank copies, but only within vim
• 1016[06:29:43] <Spico> if you type :version
• 1017[06:30:06] <somiaj> I guess I just let my terminal do the copying to clipboard for me, so I didn't notice.
• 1018[06:30:07] <Spico> you will see either a "+" or "-" next to "clipboard" in a list of enabled/disabled features.
• 1019[06:30:17] <sadtaco> hm well time to re set up servers. Is there some recommend Debian AMI for Amazon AWS use?
• 1020[06:30:34] <Spico> If you see "+clipboard" then your version of vim was compiled with the clipboard feature enabled.
• 1021[06:30:41] <awal1> any specific tool for check PTS via cli?
• 1022[06:30:45] <Spico> Mine has "-clipboard"
• 1023[06:31:00] <somiaj> Spico: I have +clipboard here, sure this isn't a user setting?
• 1024[06:31:39] <somiaj> Spico: which vim package are you using, there is a vim-tiny that doesn't have to many features.
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• 1026[06:31:59] <Spico> somiaj: If you read the 3rd paragraph of the 1st answer here: replaced-url
• 1027[06:32:00] <awal1> I usually check pkgs being removed bcoz of x reason; I wonder if I can avoid web browser
• 1028[06:32:23] <Spico> "Be aware that copying/pasting from the system clipboard will not work if :echo has('clipboard') returns 0. In this case, vim is not compiled with the +clipboard feature and you'll have to install a different version or recompile it."
• 1029[06:32:48] <somiaj> Spico: which vim package are you using?
• 1030[06:33:20] <Spico> somiaj: I would copy and paste it for you, but I can't :p
• 1031[06:33:22] <Spico> hold on
• 1032[06:33:45] <somiaj> Spico: dpkg -l | grep vim, are you using vim-tiny?
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• 1034[06:34:20] <Spico> VIM - Vi IMproved 8.0 (2016 Sep 12, compiled Apr 23 2017 12:10:29)
• 1035[06:34:46] <Spico> Includes patches: 1-197, 322, 377-378, 550
• 1036[06:34:48] <somiaj> Spico: I want the package that installed that binary.
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• 1039[06:35:40] <somiaj> Spico: you can also see what vim alternative you are using, 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim' -- what is the name of the binary that link points at?
• 1040[06:35:53] <Spico> Modified "debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso"
• 1041[06:36:30] <Spico> I'm running Debian 9 from a Window8 laptop on a VMware virtual machine.
• 1042[06:37:01] <Spico> oops.. disregard the word "Modified"
• 1043[06:37:04] <Spico> that was a typo
• 1044[06:37:18] <somiaj> Spico: that still doesnt' tell me what of the multiple vim packages debian provides you are using. what does the command I gave you say the link points at? 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/vim'
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• 1046[06:39:33] <Spico> somiaj: when I type that, I get: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 Oct 1 03:13 /etc/alternatives/vim -> /usr/bin/vim.basic
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• 1049[06:41:04] <somiaj> Spico: you are using a very basic version of vim that has many features no compiled into it. If you need more features install a different vim package.
• 1050[06:41:26] <somiaj> Spico: I use vim-gtk here.
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• 1054[06:41:57] <Spico> somiaj: If I did install a different package, would vi ./some/directory/some/file.c still be how I would open files?
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• 1056[06:43:38] <somiaj> Spico: I belive so, if not you can use update-alternatives and point the vi link at that version.
• 1057[06:44:08] <Spico> ah... ok. I need to google more about "linux update-alternatives"
• 1058[06:44:10] <somiaj> Spico: debian just only ships with a very small, minimial configuration by default, but has different vim packages that correspond to different configurations.
• 1059[06:44:28] <somiaj> Spico: update-alternatives is a debian command, so 'man update-alternatives'
• 1060[06:44:43] <Spico> ahhh
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• 1063[06:45:31] <Spico> thanks
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• 1081[06:56:34] <capin> i'd like to install all the `build-essential` packages from a previous version of debian. is there a sane approach to getting this done?
• 1082[06:57:12] <somiaj> I doubt a previous version of build-essential will do what you need, as that is just a meta package.
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• 1084[06:57:41] <somiaj> oh all, what version? Woudl creating a chroot to build in be a good alternatve.
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• 1087[07:00:31] <somiaj> capin: you could use debootstrap to create a chroot of the previous version of debian, install build-essential inside the chroot, and do all the compling inside the chroot using the previous versions libaries and tools.
• 1088[07:00:33] <capin> somiaj: trying not to abstract this to another step. I was able to install gcc-3.4 and g++-3.4 by adding the sources for lenny in `/etc/apt/sources.list`
• 1089[07:01:51] <somiaj> build essential also includes libc6-dev and you most likely don't want to change the libc6 version.
• 1090[07:02:22] <capin> i was hoping I could just setup an environment variable
• 1091[07:02:36] <capin> to point to the proper libc
• 1092[07:02:43] <somiaj> I would just create a lenny chroot and build in there, then you have a clean enviroment using the versions you need.
• 1093[07:03:00] <capin> 👍
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• 1095[07:03:27] <somiaj> but I don't know of any easy way to install all of build-essential from a previous version of debian that would be supported.
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• 1267[09:04:59] <la_mettrie> i am disapoinnted that debian.org pages do not say anything about you-know-what-topic
• 1268[09:05:25] <la_mettrie> disappointed even
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• 1276[09:07:23] <NetTerminalGene> do you guys got new kernel update? my debian keeps the package and doesn't update
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• 1283[09:09:37] <darxmurf> Unpacking linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2) ...
• 1284[09:09:40] <darxmurf> this one ?
• 1285[09:09:54] <mabynogy> replaced-url
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• 1291[09:10:48] <NetTerminalGene> darxmurf, yes
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• 1293[09:11:21] <NetTerminalGene> it says. it will keep current situation
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• 1297[09:11:52] <darxmurf> did you upgrade or dist-upgrade ?
• 1298[09:13:09] <NetTerminalGene> darxmurf, i so upgrade
• 1299[09:13:12] <NetTerminalGene> do*
• 1300[09:13:31] <darxmurf> dist-upgrade for the kernel :-)
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• 1302[09:15:10] <NetTerminalGene> darxmurf, o.0 i use debian about 2,5 years i didn't know that
• 1303[09:15:38] <darxmurf> well, I had to run dist-upgrade for the kernel :D
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• 1305[09:15:44] <darxmurf> not sure if it's the rule
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• 1310[09:17:44] <NetTerminalGene> yeah dist-upgrade upgraded kernel
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• 1324[09:24:39] <NetTerminalGene> spectre vuln. is not addressed! :S
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• 1327[09:26:09] <NetTerminalGene> and welcome performance drop
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• 1386[09:49:27] <lmw> Hi. I have got linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 in Stretch from "main/updates/security", but I'm unable to find it at replaced-url
• 1387[09:49:31] <ang310> hi all
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• 1389[09:50:05] <ang310> having some systemd issues with latest unstable update :(
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• 1396[09:52:20] <lmw> I have found this: replaced-url
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• 1402[09:53:55] <mabynogy> I wonder how KVM is impacted by the Meltdown stuff
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• 1404[09:54:20] <lmw> mabynogy: I have read somewhere that it is possible to break out of the VM.
• 1405[09:55:00] <mabynogy> yeah
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• 1409[09:55:28] <mabynogy> replaced-url
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• 1414[09:55:40] <mabynogy> > > Interestingly, guest kernels running in 64-bit PV mode are not vulnerable to attack using SP3, because 64-bit PV guests already run in a KPTI-like mode.
• 1415[09:55:55] <mabynogy> about Xen
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• 1422[09:57:15] <MajorGrub> Hi all I'm on debian 8 and I can't install Maven from apt
• 1423[09:57:21] <MajorGrub> Cannot find the package
• 1424[09:58:03] <lmw> mabynogy: try "apt-cache search maven" and look if the package you need is there. "maven" itself isn't in the repositry, it's splitted into many.
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• 1426[09:58:33] <lmw> Oh, no, wait.
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• 1428[09:58:47] <lmw> replaced-url
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• 1430[09:59:29] <MajorGrub> lmw: when I search for maven I find libs
• 1431[09:59:43] <MajorGrub> "Maven metadata for..."
• 1432[09:59:43] <lmw> MajorGrub: apt-get install maven should work.
• 1433[10:00:07] <mabynogy> why maven lmw ?
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• 1436[10:00:19] <lmw> 09:57 < MajorGrub> Hi all I'm on debian 8 and I can't install Maven from apt
• 1437[10:00:25] <MajorGrub> lmw: cannot find the package
• 1438[10:00:52] <towo^work> apt update before
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• 1458[10:07:13] <MajorGrub> towo^work: Thanks it worked ^^
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• 1477[10:15:21] <Psy-Q> am i reading this right that systems running on 32-bit kernels aren't affected?
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• 1482[10:20:06] <trevorj> They are affected by both @Psy-Q
• 1483[10:20:15] <trevorj> Everything is fscked
• 1484[10:20:27] <trevorj> Oh and Spectre? Haha, not even patched yet bro
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• 1491[10:23:02] <trevorj> Any CPU that performs speculative execution is vulnerable to Spectre and Meltdown (read: all cpus) @Psy-Q
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• 1498[10:29:22] <sh1ro> spectre
• 1499[10:29:37] <sh1ro> as best anyone can tell right now meltdown is intel only
• 1500[10:30:15] <trevorj> maybe~
• 1501[10:30:36] <trevorj> I wouldn't rely on that though myself
• 1502[10:30:56] <trevorj> It's been a really fun day.
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• 1505[10:31:18] <bbdgl> meltdown isn't exactly intel only, some ARM are affected as well: replaced-url
• 1506[10:32:06] <trevorj> I'm betting it's only a matter of time for AMD hardware as well from my haphazard paper reading
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• 1515[10:33:11] <trevorj> Let's just hope that nothing worse comes in this interim time
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• 1518[10:33:33] <NetTerminalGene> will debian buster come with wayland default?
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• 1522[10:34:32] <becks`> hi, I'm often hitting "-bash: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable" - my ulimit -a shows "max user processes (-u) 256271"... what could be the issue?
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• 1524[10:35:16] <trevorj> becks`: check your max open fd limit as well
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• 1527[10:36:38] <becks`> trevorj: cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max gives me 6545511 :-/
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• 1529[10:36:48] <trevorj> not kernel level, but ulimit
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• 1532[10:37:56] <trevorj> @becks`: is this happening from cron?
• 1533[10:37:59] <becks`> trevorj: this is how it looks like: replaced-url
• 1534[10:38:14] <becks`> trevorj: no I'm logged in as root
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• 1537[10:38:23] <trevorj> So you're running it by hand in a shell?
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• 1539[10:38:56] <becks`> yep :)
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• 1541[10:39:18] <trevorj> lemme pull that link up
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• 1544[10:40:33] <trevorj> what version of debian is this?
• 1545[10:41:44] <becks`> it's 9.3
• 1546[10:42:22] <becks`> intresting is that e.g. 'cat /etc/debian_version' always works, but e.g. ps aux doesn't
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• 1550[10:43:32] <k_sze[work]> Is anybody using one of the AWS Marketplace AMI of Debian Jessie or Debian Stretch in the Singapore region?
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• 1552[10:44:25] <trevorj> I hope that fixes my coloring in weechat, I can barely read your text atm @becks` (no fault of yours, just bad theming on my part)
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• 1554[10:44:36] <k_sze[work]> We're trying to set a brand new one up, but any SSH session crossing the VPC boundary would get stuck when there's a lot of output to the terminal.
• 1555[10:44:56] <k_sze[work]> Has anybody else ran into this weird issue?
• 1556[10:44:57] <trevorj> becks`: cat is a bash builtin
• 1557[10:45:06] <trevorj> becks`: so it isn't actually spawning a process
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• 1560[10:45:38] <becks`> ah I see :)
• 1561[10:46:08] <trevorj> or I could be wrong there
• 1562[10:46:28] <becks`> why can't my debian just tell me which limit it is hitting :(
• 1563[10:46:30] <trevorj> I know it is for busybox, but `builtin cat` tells me no
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• 1569[10:47:58] <trevorj> becks`: the main knob for this is ulimit as you found, as well as the sysctls then control the absolute limits for the system
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• 1571[10:48:55] <trevorj> there are quite a few ways that you can hit that error you're getting however
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• 1573[10:49:34] <trevorj> Many security frameworks (eg apparmor, seccomp, etc) also limit such things
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• 1575[10:50:42] <becks`> trevorj: and I guess there's no way to disable all limits altogether?
• 1576[10:50:45] <trevorj> Have you counted how many total processes (+ threads, since threads are lightweight processes in Linux) you have?
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• 1578[10:50:52] <moozer> any "locale" pros around? I having a hard time setting the locale in my xfce session
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• 1580[10:51:30] <moozer> When I SSH to my machin or do ctrl+alt+f1 and log in - locale is as I want it.
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• 1582[10:51:39] <Janni> Hello.
• 1583[10:51:46] <moozer> Starting a terminal in XFCE gives me en_US
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• 1585[10:52:09] <Janni> I was wondering about how many processes my Firefox 57 uses and how to configure it. First of all, I see (using pstree) that there are currently 38 {Web Content} processes running. However in Firefoxes settings under "Performance" I can set the number of content processes to a number between 1 and 7. So, I'm wondering how the numbers 1..7 relate to 38.
• 1586[10:52:29] <trevorj> janni: threads are not processes
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• 1588[10:52:58] <trevorj> the number you configure in settings are also just the content procs
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• 1590[10:53:06] <Janni> Ah, curly braces are threads!
• 1591[10:53:34] <trevorj> There are more spawned to handle extension for instance, among others
• 1592[10:54:03] <trevorj> It's well worth reading about, it's pretty fascinating how they've been going about this:
• 1593[10:54:20] <trevorj> @janni replaced-url
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• 1595[10:55:04] <Janni> I see. In the light of Spectre I'd like to increase the number of processes to say 100 (if not unlimited). This way an attack via JavaScript cannot access content from other tabs. Does anyone happen to know how to do that?
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• 1599[10:55:45] <trevorj> @janni there's no restriction to it being inter process
• 1600[10:55:57] <Janni> Maybe I'm wrong, but I'd guess that this way each tab would get its own process.
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• 1602[10:56:08] <Janni> trevorj: "it" = Spectre?
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• 1605[10:56:50] <Janni> trevorj: "being" = accessing memory locations?
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• 1610[11:03:06] <Janni> Found the about:config option "dom.ipc.processCount". *testing*
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• 1616[11:04:29] <trevorj> @janni: yes, that is another knob, but it still isn't the only place here
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• 1618[11:05:02] <trevorj> @janni: some code runs solely in the master process for instance, and let's not forget compositing
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• 1620[11:05:31] <trevorj> @janni: Since there's a ton of shared memory between them all, it's really quite convuluted
• 1621[11:05:55] <trevorj> s/vu/vo/
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• 1624[11:06:28] <Janni> Alright. I thought so. In any case. "dom.ipc.processCount" seems to do the job. Raised it to 99. Now I have a process for every tab.
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• 1626[11:07:10] <trevorj> Yes, but there are still shared processes.
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• 1630[11:08:32] <trevorj> You could force your computer to swap out all but about one tab worth of memory
• 1631[11:08:45] <trevorj> lol
• 1632[11:09:01] <trevorj> I doubt you want that though
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• 1634[11:09:23] <lmw> People often forget: There's no 100% security. If you want 100% security: Don't use a computer.
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• 1637[11:09:36] <trevorj> And don't have friends either
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• 1639[11:10:04] <lmw> And don't have paper and pens either
• 1640[11:10:07] <jelly> becks`, are you using the kernel from stretch-backports or the standard 4.9?
• 1641[11:10:09] <trevorj> haha
• 1642[11:10:21] <trevorj> maybe the best way to attain security is death?
• 1643[11:10:29] <lmw> nobody knows
• 1644[11:10:34] <trevorj> oh god
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• 1646[11:11:05] <lmw> I think the brain is secure, but only until we have found a way to leak it haha
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• 1648[11:11:17] <trevorj> A side channel, perhaps?
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• 1650[11:11:28] <becks`> jelly: no idea, I think it's a standard one: Linux debian 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
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• 1652[11:11:50] <trevorj> We'll be paying to get side channels for our brains soon
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• 1654[11:12:01] <lmw> :(
• 1655[11:12:02] <trevorj> Only a matter of time now
• 1656[11:12:24] <lmw> everything is a metter of time
• 1657[11:12:27] <lmw> *matter
• 1658[11:12:32] <trevorj> I'm pretty scared of what happens then tbh
• 1659[11:13:06] <jelly> becks`, yeah, that's the default kernel for stretch, no idea then
• 1660[11:13:21] <lmw> I'm sure that Skynet isn't only science fiction either :(
• 1661[11:13:34] <trevorj> agreed :(
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• 1665[11:16:46] <trevorj> becks`: can you paste limits.conf too?
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• 1670[11:17:52] <becks`> trevorj: sure: replaced-url
• 1671[11:18:06] <trevorj> It would help to have, say `ps -eLf | wc -l`
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• 1673[11:18:29] <becks`> can't execute it as it can't fork :D
• 1674[11:19:26] <trevorj> bahaha, are you currently under a forkbomb I wonder?
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• 1677[11:20:25] <becks`> if I knew ;D
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• 1679[11:20:57] <trevorj> becks`: Do you have busybox?
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• 1681[11:21:18] <trevorj> becks`: You can run a single command by `exec`ing it I'm guessing
• 1682[11:21:31] <trevorj> becks`: keep in mind that will replace your current shell
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• 1685[11:24:03] <lmw> Just one off-topic line (sorry, but I find this very interesting): replaced-url
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• 1689[11:24:50] <paracusia> hello, trying to build the latest 4.15-rc6 kernel on wheezy: built-in.o: member arch/x86/kernel/head_64.o in archive is not an object ... any idea how to compile it completely?
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• 1692[11:25:12] <becks`> trevorj: thanks! this works, going to reboot and try again as putty auto-closes afterwards =)
• 1693[11:25:23] <trevorj> hahaha
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• 1695[11:25:44] <trevorj> becks`: I would set the limits lower
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• 1697[11:26:11] <trevorj> becks`: then set them for your shell only higher, does that make sense?
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• 1701[11:26:34] <trevorj> When you login, you are given some grace over that limit to avoid the inability to login iirc
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• 1703[11:26:58] <trevorj> before you reboot, can you do an `exec ps -eLf > ~/ps.out` ?
• 1704[11:27:24] <becks`> too late ;D
• 1705[11:27:24] <trevorj> Just trying to collect info so you can debug it in case it is a forkbomb that may be gone post-reboot
• 1706[11:27:42] <becks`> but thanks, so I know what to do next time :)
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• 1708[11:27:53] <trevorj> oh well, chances are you have all kinds of logs telling you what was up regardless tbh
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• 1710[11:29:04] <trevorj> The thing is, you should never be hitting these limits like this under normal operation. What does this box run?
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• 1712[11:29:21] <trevorj> (for root especially I mean)
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• 1716[11:29:57] <s00x> hey, which kernel version dixes meltdown and spectre vulns?
• 1717[11:30:00] <trevorj> That's the purpose of max procs per user being lower than the total for the system (via sysctl) by default
• 1718[11:30:07] <trevorj> s00x: spectre is not fixed
• 1719[11:30:24] <s00x> what about meltdown?
• 1720[11:30:28] <s00x> heard there's a fix
• 1721[11:30:28] <trevorj> s00x: meltdown workaround is 4.14.11 / 4.15rc6
• 1722[11:30:38] <trevorj> s00x: what you're looking for are the KPTI patchset
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• 1724[11:30:57] <lmw> iirc 4.14 will be the next LTS
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• 1726[11:31:03] <trevorj> s00x: They also backported it to 4.4.x, but I don't know the full release from my head
• 1727[11:31:29] <s00x> will i get that version from dist-upgrade? Or I need to recompile that kernel version myself?
• 1728[11:31:31] <trevorj> If you use git, it's all in the linux-stable tree branches
• 1729[11:31:53] <trevorj> s00x: afaik, no distros have a released kernel with kpti yet
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• 1732[11:32:18] <lmw> trevorj: According to replaced-url
• 1733[11:32:23] <trevorj> s00x: there have still been fixes coming in even today for instance
• 1734[11:32:27] <trevorj> lmw: damn!
• 1735[11:32:37] <s00x> so I should wait, or recmpile it myself? What do you recommend?
• 1736[11:33:10] <lmw> And 4.15-rc6 is from 31.12. ... I doubt that this patch is included.
• 1737[11:33:10] <trevorj> I know for ubuntu you can install from their mainline repos
• 1738[11:33:27] <trevorj> lmw: rc6 has kpti iirc
• 1739[11:33:36] <lmw> Hm
• 1740[11:33:40] <lmw> Probably
• 1741[11:33:47] <trevorj> these patches have been around for quite a while:
• 1742[11:33:56] <s00x> my current version is 4.14.0 right now
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• 1747[11:34:38] <lmw> s00x: buster? testing? self-compiled?
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• 1750[11:35:05] <trevorj> lmw: replaced-url
• 1751[11:35:22] <s00x> testing
• 1752[11:35:26] <trevorj> lmw: since the patchset was engineered on tip, that's why rc6 was first released
• 1753[11:35:34] <lmw> trevorj: stable. You have 4.14.11 then, not 4.15-rc6.
• 1754[11:35:38] <lmw> 4.15 isn't stable (yet).
• 1755[11:36:00] <trevorj> lmw: You should look at that repo
• 1756[11:36:14] <trevorj> lmw: it has a master branch ;)
• 1757[11:36:26] <lmw> hm ok
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• 1760[11:37:38] <lmw> I only know this: replaced-url
• 1761[11:37:38] <lmw> :D
• 1762[11:37:42] <trevorj> 4.4 was updated with it btw
• 1763[11:37:49] <trevorj> 4.4.109
• 1764[11:37:59] <trevorj> 4.9 was too with 4.9.74
• 1765[11:38:30] <lmw> Debian Stretch (stable) runs 4.9.65 .. but got a security update yesterday Backported from .74
• 1766[11:38:39] <trevorj> nice!
• 1767[11:38:48] <s00x> and one more questions, what about browsers. I'm still on firefox ESR, and I guess Quantum is not in stable, right?
• 1768[11:39:00] <trevorj> so debian is already patched? Where the hell is ubuntu's kernels?
• 1769[11:39:12] <trevorj> s/kernels/patches/
• 1770[11:39:22] <trevorj> and yeah, plurality, I give up on english today
• 1771[11:39:29] <lmw> trevorj: replaced-url
• 1772[11:39:59] <trevorj> Go debian!
• 1773[11:40:25] <yareckonirc> trevorj, I still can't find the update in the package tracker yet, and don't get it on apt-get update
• 1774[11:40:53] <trevorj> yareckonirc: jessie?
• 1775[11:40:54] <jelly> trevorj, ask in #ubuntu about those?
• 1776[11:41:03] <yareckonirc> nope, stretch
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• 1778[11:41:23] <trevorj> yareckonirc: it says it's released, likely just awaiting mirroring I bet
• 1779[11:41:35] <trevorj> yareckonirc: You can pull it manually if you wish
• 1780[11:41:36] <yareckonirc> ive browsed the pool/ folder on deb security and it'S there
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• 1782[11:41:43] <guest404> hey
• 1783[11:41:55] <lmw> yareckonirc: apt-get update ?
• 1784[11:42:02] <yareckonirc> but yeah, either not mirrored or I have some bizarro state sitting around somewhere
• 1785[11:42:23] <guest404> I got a problem that really grinds my gears .. at debian installation, can't detect componant from cd rom, i'm booting from USB
• 1786[11:42:28] <trevorj> it's gotta be mirrors, you can keep trying or just pull it down and dpkg -i it
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• 1788[11:42:58] <lmw> You could directly download it from packages.debian.org
• 1789[11:43:02] <lmw> Just enter the package name
• 1790[11:43:04] <trevorj> guest404: how did you create the bootable usb?
• 1791[11:43:21] <guest404> UniversaleUSB installer
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• 1794[11:43:42] <guest404> I first tryed with dd, but couldn't boot from USB
• 1795[11:43:43] <lmw> guest404: I would try dd'ing the image.
• 1796[11:43:45] <trevorj> guest404: there are boot options that are set that tell it what and how to search for the installation contents
• 1797[11:44:02] <trevorj> guest404: If you dd, these are handled for you
• 1798[11:44:14] <trevorj> guest404: make sure you dd to the device not a partition
• 1799[11:44:14] <guest404> i'm gonna re dd it *
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• 1801[11:44:37] <guest404> I've not dismount the USB key before dd it
• 1802[11:44:47] <guest404> does it comes from there ?
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• 1805[11:45:11] <trevorj> guest404: unmount it fully, then dd to the usb device, eg /dev/disk/by-id/usb-blah
• 1806[11:45:31] <lmw> I would lookup the USB with "lsblk"
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• 1808[11:45:34] <guest404> finr trevor
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• 1810[11:45:36] <lmw> And use /dev/sdX instead
• 1811[11:45:38] <guest404> fine*
• 1812[11:45:46] <trevorj> lmw: that scares me
• 1813[11:45:52] <lmw> trevorj: lol, why
• 1814[11:46:09] <trevorj> lmw: I've overwritten my disk with a typo twice
• 1815[11:46:14] <lmw> lol
• 1816[11:46:18] <trevorj> lmw: I no longer touch /dev/sdX
• 1817[11:46:26] <trevorj> I only use the symlinks now.
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• 1819[11:46:47] <lmw> That's why you should ways check the command you've entered twice _before_ you press return!
• 1820[11:46:50] <trevorj> Sometimes the order changes as well across reboots
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• 1822[11:46:54] <lmw> *always
• 1823[11:46:57] <trevorj> So you think it's right
• 1824[11:47:00] <guest404> fine, I'll try reformating and repartitionning in only one partition, and then dismount, and dd it properly
• 1825[11:47:03] <trevorj> But ha, not anymore
• 1826[11:47:09] <guest404> bye, guys, have a nice day
• 1827[11:47:23] <trevorj> guest404: no format, no partition
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• 1829[11:47:31] <trevorj> guest404: using dd actually does that
• 1830[11:47:39] <guest404> fine
• 1831[11:47:42] <guest404> sorry
• 1832[11:47:47] <trevorj> guest404: If you want to be absolutely sure, use gdisk to zap GPT and MBR
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• 1834[11:47:53] <trevorj> guest404: then dd it
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• 1837[11:47:58] <lmw> trevorj: I never had any issues with /dev/sdX :)
• 1838[11:48:06] <guest404> :D
• 1839[11:48:09] <trevorj> guest404: (gpt has a backup copy towards the end of your device)
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• 1841[11:48:53] <trevorj> lmw: I envy you
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• 1843[11:49:10] <lmw> Heh :D
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• 1845[11:49:13] <yareckonirc> lmw, sure, but what is the package name for linux? In the package and build system I am just seeing 4.9.65-3+deb9u1
• 1846[11:49:20] <yareckonirc> replaced-url
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• 1848[11:49:31] <trevorj> yareckonirc: `For the stable distribution (stretch), this problem has been fixed in version 4.9.65-3+deb9u2.`
• 1849[11:49:42] <lmw> yareckonirc: linux-image-amd64 or linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64 ... whatever you prefer
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• 1851[11:50:43] <yareckonirc> ah replaced-url
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• 1853[11:51:19] <rsFF> I was under the impression that a dist-upgrade was needed
• 1854[11:51:21] <rsFF> not sure why
• 1855[11:51:27] <rsFF> lmw: ^^
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• 1859[11:52:40] <yareckonirc> look, there is a 4.9+80+deb9u3 that just cam out minutes ago
• 1860[11:52:50] <yareckonirc> maybe thats why I doulnd't get anything
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• 1862[11:53:39] <rsFF> yareckonirc: are you doing a dist-upgrade or just installing the kernel package?
• 1863[11:54:35] <yareckonirc> I am running apt upgrade or dist-upgrade and not seeing linux in the proposed updates
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• 1866[11:54:52] <rsFF> hummm
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• 1869[11:55:02] <rsFF> so what are you doing then?
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• 1879[11:59:16] <jelly> ,kernels
• 1880[11:59:17] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.15.0-rc5-686-pae (4.15~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.14.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.14.7-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-5-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
• 1881[11:59:18] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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• 1904[12:07:58] <yareckonirc> can someone link me to a standard sources.list?
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• 1906[12:08:40] <yareckonirc> I can only think I've got a hyphen somewhere where I need a slash or viceversa stretch/updates vs stretch-updates vs some silly mirror thing
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• 1908[12:08:54] <babilen> dpkg: stretch sources.list
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• 1910[12:08:54] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 1927[12:14:11] <yareckonirc> well, added those lines and still nothing
• 1928[12:14:15] <yareckonirc> guess I will wait
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• 1930[12:14:48] <bolt> yareckonirc: what are you waiting for?
• 1931[12:15:20] <bolt> oh. scrolled up. nevermind.
• 1932[12:15:24] <yareckonirc> I appear to be the only one in the world unable to see the meltdown partial fix
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• 1934[12:15:46] <babilen> Which mirror do you use?
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• 1937[12:16:08] <babilen> You could switch to a different one for the time being, maybe the upgrade hasn't propagated.
• 1938[12:16:14] <yareckonirc> I used the mirrors from germany, until I cleared that out after you gave me the bog standard one
• 1939[12:16:20] <celyr> That think is so overrated
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• 1941[12:16:23] <celyr> thing*
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• 1943[12:16:36] <yareckonirc> there may of course be a redirect happening with the bog standard one
• 1944[12:16:37] <babilen> And what's the output of "apt-cache policy linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64" ?
• 1945[12:16:42] <yareckonirc> back to germany :)
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• 1949[12:16:58] <babilen> (paste to replaced-url
• 1950[12:17:23] <yareckonirc> well that's interesting
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• 1952[12:17:32] <yareckonirc> Installed: 4.9.65-3+deb9u2
• 1953[12:17:41] <yareckonirc> so I HAVE IT
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• 1955[12:17:55] <yareckonirc> but uname -a 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u1 (2017-12-23) x86_64 GNU/Linux
• 1956[12:17:56] <lmw> You have -3- ... not -5-
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• 1959[12:19:33] <yareckonirc> my stupid system just hasn't rebooted
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• 1961[12:19:56] <yareckonirc> I am likely an idiot.. will report back should that be confirmed
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• 1972[12:24:02] <yareckonirc> ok babilen, lmw, I am an idiot, and this system must have upgraded last night before I knew debian had a fix out
• 1973[12:24:26] <yareckonirc> since no reboot, no change in uname, and I spent the last hour searching for a phantom update
• 1974[12:24:37] <yareckonirc> sorry everybody
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• 1977[12:25:12] <yareckonirc> now off to enjoy my new slower cpu!
• 1978[12:25:25] <yareckonirc> ^safer
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• 1980[12:26:17] <yareckonirc> props to the team that backported the kpti patchset back to 4.9 though, you guys rock
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• 1984[12:27:43] <celyr> slower for no reason and safer only against yourself
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• 1987[12:28:24] <yareckonirc> and against friendly javascript
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• 1990[12:30:13] <celyr> I still see no reason to update my DBMS machine
• 1991[12:30:18] <celyr> or the nameserver
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• 2000[12:35:06] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone know where the option n the default archive manager the option to set a password is has to? It used to look something like this replaced-url
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• 2103[13:27:05] <kodapa> $ grep bugs /proc/cpuinfo
• 2104[13:27:05] <kodapa> bugs :
• 2105[13:27:42] <kodapa> how come cpu_insecure is not listed under bugs? I have installed the patched kernel
• 2106[13:27:48] <babilen> kodapa: That flag isn't being set
• 2107[13:28:08] <kodapa> babilen: shouldn't it be?
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• 2110[13:28:20] <babilen> Please refer to "grep CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION /boot/config-$(uname -r)"
• 2111[13:28:31] <yareckonirc> sudo dmesg -wH | grep 'Kernel/User page tables isolation'
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• 2113[13:28:39] <yareckonirc> [ +0.000000] Kernel/User page tables isolation: enabled
• 2114[13:28:45] <babilen> And taht ^
• 2115[13:28:45] <yareckonirc> is the way to see
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• 2117[13:28:47] <kodapa> enabled :)
• 2118[13:28:48] <kodapa> thanks!
• 2119[13:28:52] <babilen> yw
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• 2138[13:36:47] <yareckonirc> thanks all, heading out
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• 2152[13:39:07] <simply-user> hey
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• 2163[13:43:22] <sim590> Does debian have an equivalent page for this: replaced-url
• 2164[13:43:25] <sim590> ?
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• 2167[13:44:24] <sim590> I have come accross this mail thread replaced-url
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• 2172[13:47:53] <Brigo> sim590, replaced-url
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• 2190[13:59:33] <sim590> Brigo: this doesn't inform on other branches such as buster. :/
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• 2194[14:00:17] <DrBunsen> Hello, does anyone know where the option in the default archive manager the option to set a password is has to? It used to look something like this replaced-url
• 2195[14:00:33] <Brigo> sim590, it doesn't. Patches in buster are the same that for sid.
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• 2199[14:01:11] <sim590> Brigo: but sid isn't mentionned either. Do you know where to find the information about sid?
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• 2201[14:01:47] <koollman> sim590: replaced-url
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• 2208[14:03:05] <sim590> koollman, Brigo : thanks
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• 2213[14:04:42] <babilen> sim590: Packages for both jessie and sid are being worked on. They will migrate to testing in due course, but you might want to pull those from unstable beforehand (cf. "/msg dpkg tum")
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• 2225[14:09:48] <sim590> babilen: right. Good idea!
• 2226[14:10:53] <NetTerminalGene> can firejailed firefox prevent meltdown and spectre?
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• 2228[14:11:12] <oo_miguel> I am on stretch and see that CVE-2017-5754 was fixed with 4.9.65-3+deb9u2.. What about: CVE-2017-5753 and CVE-2017-5715 ?
• 2229[14:11:14] <ezdev> actually noscript will probably do more than firejail
• 2230[14:11:44] <ezdev> since at least spectre can be exploited via javascript
• 2231[14:12:05] <ezdev> and since the vulnerability is to the sorts of things that firejail uses to protect you
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• 2233[14:14:00] <babilen> oo_miguel: See above
• 2234[14:14:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1735
• 2235[14:14:25] <ezdev> whats the channel limit thing? 1735 what?
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• 2237[14:14:58] <babilen> Ah, not discussed here replaced-url
• 2238[14:15:13] <babilen> ezdev: Kitten
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• 2240[14:16:06] <ezdev> ah, good. more than 1735 kittens would be FAR too many.
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• 2242[14:16:46] <Iridos> hm, stretch is fiexed already? I don't see the version from the cve… I see 4.9+80+deb9u3 replaced-url
• 2243[14:16:50] <Iridos> dpkg, confuse me
• 2244[14:16:50] <dpkg> No, where are your snake yesterday, iridos? Breeches of the Democracy of Belarus with extra cream.
• 2245[14:17:08] <babilen> ezdev: It's dynamically adjusted to ensure that there is at least one kitten available for every user in the channel
• 2246[14:17:37] <ezdev> aww
• 2247[14:17:53] <retpoline> you guys seen this Meltdown PoC? replaced-url
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• 2251[14:18:31] <somiaj> Iridos: there was a version bump in the package name, so the package is now linux-image-4.9.0-5-amd64
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• 2274[14:26:46] <Ascavasaion> If I want to install Debian for the first time from USB... would I download replaced-url
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• 2279[14:28:24] <somiaj> Ascavasaion: the netinstall only contains a minimial system on the install medium, but can install anything else it needs from the internet if you ahve a working networking durnign the install
• 2280[14:28:29] <babilen> Ascavasaion: That installer would download everything it needs from online repositories and it would be the appropriate image if you have a working internet connection during the installation
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• 2282[14:28:43] <somiaj> Ascavasaion: if you use wifi, you will most likely need some non-free firmware to get the network working.
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• 2285[14:29:24] <Ascavasaion> Aaah, thank you all... I thought as much. I have an eth connection on the computer so should be okay.
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• 2288[14:29:52] <Ascavasaion> I am used to Ubuntu but thought I would try Debian as I hear that Ubuntu and Mint are based on it.
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• 2292[14:30:53] <Iridos> hm, ok… seems I already installed that
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• 2304[14:33:58] <jiru> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY public555
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• 2309[14:34:30] <RoyK> password change? ;)
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• 2313[14:35:18] <somiaj> Ascavasaion: ubuntu and debian use the same package formatting and share lots of packages. But the core system and policy wise ubuntu and debian have diffrent phiolosphies.
• 2314[14:35:23] <hays_> wow. I think deb.debian.org is very slow in amsterdam
• 2315[14:35:40] <somiaj> hays_: are you sure it is deb.debian.org and not the mirror it redirects you to?
• 2316[14:35:44] <shtrb> That is why we always need to have working SASL or budy pounces (OFTC)
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• 2318[14:36:02] <shtrb> hays_, check what you really get sometimes the CDN is crazy
• 2319[14:36:11] <hays_> somiaj: dunno. talking about sources.list and the performance of apt
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• 2321[14:36:33] <hays_> shtrb: how can I check? can dig help?
• 2322[14:36:39] <somiaj> hays_: deb.debian.org is just a redirector that tries to redirect you to a close by mirror in good health. It works fairly well but won't always pick the best mirror for you.
• 2323[14:36:59] <hays_> im getting 35kb/s
• 2324[14:37:01] <somiaj> I doubt dig will do much, since deb.debian.org works with redirects not with dns settings.
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• 2326[14:37:20] <somiaj> hays_: you may want to go find an actual mirror and not let the redirector find one for you. It could also just be timing with the mirror it found for you.
• 2327[14:37:30] <shtrb> hays_ , when doing apt-get update check which server actually send you the info (or apt-get -d install )
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• 2329[14:38:03] <hays_> i don't see anywhere in apt-get update where it tells me that
• 2330[14:38:05] <themill> for stretch onwards, deb.d.o is using SRV records at DNS level, not 301 redirects
• 2331[14:38:11] <hays_> might be because im on jessie?
• 2332[14:38:58] <somiaj> hays_: replaced-url
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• 2334[14:39:10] <themill> yeah, on jessie it will be doing http redirects off to a mirror but it should still be fastly or similar
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• 2337[14:39:36] <somiaj> hays_: I still doubt deb.debian.org is the cause of a slow download, but more the mirror it is picking for you.
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• 2339[14:40:03] <themill> I'd be surprised if fastly and cloudfront were that slow though
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• 2343[14:45:31] <shtrb> ,v hplip
• 2344[14:45:32] <judd> Package: hplip on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 3.12.6-3.1+deb7u2; jessie: 3.14.6-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.16.11+repack0-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.16.11+repack0-3; buster: 3.17.10+repack0-2; sid: 3.17.10+repack0-2
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• 2413[14:52:21] <pagios> hello, i burned my windows iso file to a usb and this is how it looks, for some reason it does not boot from usb is this uefi compatible? replaced-url
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• 2419[14:53:12] <towo^work> pagios, you know, this is #debian?
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• 2424[14:53:51] <pagios> towo^work, i am using dd
• 2425[14:53:57] <towo^work> and?
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• 2427[14:54:12] <towo^work> who is saying, that you can use dd for windows iso?
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• 2429[14:54:24] <xand> windows ISOs have nothign to do with debian.
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• 2435[14:55:59] <pagios> you can
• 2436[14:56:05] <pagios> dd if=iso of=/dev/sdc
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• 2439[14:56:39] <nix64bit> i think you need to set a boot flag
• 2440[14:56:53] <towo^work> pagios, one can do many, but if it is making sense is the question
• 2441[14:57:01] <themill> pagios: those images are designed for hard disk booting, are they?
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• 2443[14:57:21] <nix64bit> but this is #debian
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• 2463[15:07:14] <ezdev> if an iso isnt hybrid (dd-able to a block device) you can make it into one with isohybrid-- very trivial to use
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• 2466[15:07:28] <ezdev> however id be surprised if the netinst image was not a hybrid iso
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• 2472[15:08:56] <themill> it is
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• 2478[15:11:15] <lavenders> hey
• 2479[15:11:22] <lavenders> spectre and meltdown
• 2480[15:11:32] <lavenders> is there a patch out there for latest debian?
• 2481[15:11:41] <lavenders> ive read this: replaced-url
• 2482[15:11:58] <lavenders> x86/kpti: Kernel Page Table Isolation (was KAISER)
• 2483[15:12:02] * ezdev figures ime is worse than s&m
• 2484[15:12:18] <ezdev> which is what they should call the gruesome twosome from now on
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• 2489[15:13:02] <lavenders> ive no idea what y mean, patch?
• 2490[15:13:05] <somiaj> lavenders: the most current DSA has patched wheezy, jessie and stretch with the kpi patch.
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• 2492[15:13:18] <somiaj> lavenders: security team says spectre will be addressed in a future patch.
• 2493[15:13:35] <ezdev> way to go secteam
• 2494[15:13:41] <jelly> when/if they figure out how to mitigate it at all
• 2495[15:13:42] <lavenders> apt-get update / upgrade is enough?
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• 2497[15:13:52] <somiaj> lavenders: if you have security sources, yes
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• 2500[15:14:10] <somiaj> lavenders: actually apt-get upgrade won't work, use dist-upgrade or apt upgrade.
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• 2503[15:14:30] <somiaj> (since there was an abi bump in the package name, requring you to install a new package)
• 2504[15:14:38] <koollman> how is replaced-url
• 2505[15:15:04] <ezdev> jelly: spectre can be triggered via javascript, so thats one vector you can mitigate
• 2506[15:15:27] <koollman> somiaj: the most current dsa I can see is replaced-url
• 2507[15:15:41] <lavenders> somiaj, thx much :), is deb/deb-src replaced-url
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• 2512[15:16:19] <somiaj> koollman: sorry, you are correct, I saw patches in the work for jessie and wheezy, I just overlooked they wern't pushed out with that DSA
• 2513[15:16:29] <somiaj> lavenders: correct.
• 2514[15:16:41] <koollman> according to replaced-url
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• 2516[15:17:27] <negev> hi, after installing 4.14.11-mainline my lo interface doesn't auto up on boot, is this a known issue?
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• 2518[15:17:56] <somiaj> negev: where did you get this 4.14.11-mainline kernel?
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• 2520[15:18:12] <somiaj> negev: did you compile it yourself?
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• 2528[15:22:13] <Megaf> Folks, my server rebooted when it was updating the kernel
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• 2530[15:22:37] <Megaf> # apt update
• 2531[15:22:37] <Megaf> E: Syntax error /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels:18: Extra junk at end of file
• 2532[15:22:42] <Megaf> Now that happens ^
• 2533[15:22:51] <Megaf> I tried apt-get -f install and same thing happens
• 2534[15:23:16] <ezdev> oh, debian
• 2535[15:23:26] <koollman> open that file, it is most likely filled with some junk characters. fix it if you can, or remove the file. and get a new one :)
• 2536[15:23:42] <koollman> also check why your server rebooted that badly
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• 2539[15:24:04] <Megaf> koollman: overheated
• 2540[15:24:18] <bolt> O.o
• 2541[15:24:42] <Megaf> anyway, need to fix that, I believe I can just remove that file
• 2542[15:24:51] <ezdev> was it updating the kernel with a normal server load?
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• 2544[15:25:16] <bolt> no amount of load should overheat your server. get proper cooling.
• 2545[15:25:30] <ezdev> maybe its an hp
• 2546[15:25:33] <bolt> hot hardware is unhappy hardware. unhappy hardware doesn't last long.
• 2547[15:25:53] <Megaf> bolt: I am experimeting with the cooling right now, its a new installation, no need to worry about backups..
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• 2549[15:26:18] <Megaf> and its 33C at the server room right now
• 2550[15:26:27] <asdfasdfa> Very generally speaking, what's best right now for most people, Wayland or Xorg? I used Wayland and it seems extremely lightweight and nice but I notice some lack of features.
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• 2552[15:26:38] <Megaf> CPU at 48C
• 2553[15:26:42] <jelly> Megaf, which fs type is / fs on that system? What's in that file now?
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• 2556[15:27:02] <jelly> ,file etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
• 2557[15:27:04] <Megaf> jelly: I rmed it, it was some keyboard configuration lines in that file....
• 2558[15:27:06] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
• 2559[15:27:24] <bolt> Megaf: that's the washer room. check which thermostat you're reading...
• 2560[15:27:46] <jelly> the washer room IS the server room!
• 2561[15:27:56] <Megaf> resuming kernel update with dpkg --configure -a
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• 2568[15:29:29] <jelly> I also have that file and I also have no idea where it comes from. :-|
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• 2572[15:29:50] <jelly> / DO NOT EDIT! File autogenerated by /etc/kernel/postinst.d/apt-auto-removal
• 2573[15:29:54] <themill> head -1 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01autoremove-kernels
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• 2576[15:31:51] <Megaf> meh
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• 2578[15:32:01] <Megaf> it shutdown when hits 60C
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• 2581[15:32:19] <Megaf> I need to figure out whos triggering the shutdown, if the mobo or OS
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• 2586[15:34:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1752
• 2587[15:34:04] <Megaf> ok, none, PSU is overheating
• 2588[15:34:32] <ezdev> wow
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• 2590[15:34:43] <dvs> ???
• 2591[15:35:10] <negev> somiaj: it's a profile on scaleway's cloud platform
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• 2593[15:35:19] <negev> it looks like my network/if-pre-up.d scripts were not executed either
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• 2595[15:35:24] <Megaf> I have the case open, airflow is not ideal, maybe that's why it's overheating, very probably actually
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• 2597[15:35:49] <ezdev> yeah open cases on servers are a particularly bad idea cooling-wise
• 2598[15:36:02] <somiaj> negev: this doens't sound like a debian kernel, you may want to file a bug with the platform you are using.
• 2599[15:36:02] <ezdev> on most things really, but servers can die that way
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• 2601[15:36:18] <negev> somiaj: no its not a debian kernel, it's mainline
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• 2603[15:37:33] <somiaj> negev: Debian supports its kernels, if the previous mainline version worked and this one didn't, that sounds reason enough to file a bug with the appropriate creater.
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• 2609[15:38:20] <negev> somiaj: who would the appropriate creator be?
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• 2611[15:38:42] <somiaj> negev: whoever created this mainline kernel package you installed, most likely people at the could system you are using.
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• 2613[15:39:27] <jelly> "contact your provider"
• 2614[15:39:44] <Megaf> I need a new PSU
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• 2620[15:40:10] <TomyWork> i have a preseed.cfg from somewhere that i want to adjust a little and then use. i know what to do, mostly, but one thing wasnt clear:
• 2621[15:40:30] <TomyWork> there's a line "d-i mirror/http/hostname string deb.debian.org". Does that have to be an official mirror or can i put my own apt-cacher here?
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• 2626[15:42:14] <themill> d-i mirror/http/proxy string if you can use it as a proxy; your own mirror is fine too. Anything that can be used in the sources.list
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• 2628[15:42:23] <somiaj> negev: you might want to check if you get any errors manaully bring up the interface, 'ifup lo'
• 2629[15:42:42] <Megaf> jelly: FS is JFS
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• 2631[15:42:48] <TomyWork> i dont think it works as a proxy
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• 2633[15:43:27] <TomyWork> but good to know it doesnt go through a lookup table of some sort :)
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• 2641[15:46:39] <Megaf> new PSU and new UPS...
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• 2644[15:46:52] <negev> somiaj: it appears that ifup and ifdown are missing from my system
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• 2652[15:49:44] <TomyWork> Megaf now all you need is a new PUS, SPU, SUP and USP
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• 2654[15:50:23] <retpoline> i'd like a new PUS, ty
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• 2656[15:51:18] <jelly> Megaf, I'd say "don't use JFS" then :-)
• 2657[15:51:28] <TomyWork> negev somiaj i may be wrong, but didnt systemd replace ifup/down?
• 2658[15:52:08] <jelly> you're wrong, TomyWork
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• 2661[15:53:12] <TomyWork> then it's extremely odd that they're absent
• 2662[15:53:17] * Megaf turns on air conditioning. Enough of trying extreme scenarios
• 2663[15:53:32] <TomyWork> in winter?
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• 2669[15:54:04] <somiaj> TomyWork: considering they are an important package, I would agree.
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• 2672[15:54:16] <jelly> TomyWork, what does "dpkg -S /sbin/ifup" say?
• 2673[15:54:19] <Megaf> TomyWork: it's 36C here
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• 2675[15:54:38] <TomyWork> jelly you should tell negev
• 2676[15:54:47] <jelly> they're gone
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• 2679[15:54:56] <Megaf> the PSU heatsink is pathetic, clearly was not designed to be used in a hot environment
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• 2681[15:54:59] <jelly> !next
• 2682[15:54:59] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 2684[15:55:02] <TomyWork> ifupdown: /sbin/ifup on ubuntu 14.04
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• 2687[15:55:35] <TomyWork> (which is pre-systemd... dont have a systemd system here right now)
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• 2690[15:55:54] <Mad_Dud> i just noticed debian's dsa-4078 no cve-2017-5754 replaced-url
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• 2692[15:56:01] <Mad_Dud> s/no/on/
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• 2694[15:56:52] <TomyWork> and?
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• 2696[15:57:12] <Mad_Dud> ... progress
• 2697[15:57:38] <TomyWork> pti=off... gotta note that down :D
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• 2710[16:01:37] <Megaf> found a nice way to cool the PSU down
• 2711[16:01:54] <Megaf> removed the nvidia VGA that was used for CUDA back in the day.
• 2712[16:02:04] <Megaf> now the system has no VGA/GPU at all
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• 2714[16:02:15] <Megaf> and there's no need for it
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• 2716[16:02:27] <TomyWork> is there, these days?
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• 2718[16:03:04] <TomyWork> it used to be that desktop pcs dont even boot if there's no graphics chip at all
• 2719[16:03:19] <TomyWork> or did you discount the on-CPU GPU?
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• 2723[16:04:27] <Megaf> TomyWork: no GPU at all now, there's no onboard GPU and I removed the VGA from teh system
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• 2725[16:04:46] <TomyWork> and your CPU doesn't have an integrated GPU?
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• 2727[16:04:54] <Megaf> again, is not desktop, is server :)
• 2728[16:05:01] <Megaf> TomyWork: no GPU at all
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• 2730[16:05:50] <Megaf> This system is from 2002
• 2731[16:05:58] <Megaf> still running good today
• 2732[16:06:10] <Megaf> it has an AMD Athlon XP 2800+
• 2733[16:06:32] <TomyWork> yeah that doesnt come with a GPU ^^
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• 2738[16:08:28] <Megaf> I will add a 750 Watts real power to this system
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• 2740[16:09:33] <Megaf> maybe a Corsair Cp-9020117-la Vs400
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• 2742[16:09:44] <Megaf> 250 Watts would be plenty already...
• 2743[16:09:52] <Megaf> I could just make a PSU myself...
• 2744[16:10:11] <TomyWork> yup, fry yourself
• 2745[16:10:33] <waydot> TomyWork: vga requirement for boot was quite specific; i had headless 486 booting quite fine
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• 2748[16:11:01] <waydot> in my experience very few systems refused to boot w/o gfx card
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• 2750[16:11:17] <TomyWork> ah
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• 2752[16:11:31] <waydot> but it was a common concern :)
• 2753[16:11:38] <Megaf> actually it depends
• 2754[16:11:48] <Megaf> on my system you can configure in the BIOS
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• 2756[16:11:56] <Megaf> if you want the system to halt or not in errors
• 2757[16:12:20] <waydot> lack of video card is considered an error in that context?
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• 2759[16:12:46] <waydot> i do rememeber halt on: all errors, all but keyboard, none :)
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• 2763[16:14:14] <TomyWork> themill for "deb replaced-url
• 2764[16:14:16] <gpunk> it depends on the bios
• 2765[16:14:26] <gpunk> many machines can be headless
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• 2767[16:15:09] <tacco> anyone knows why this happend? replaced-url
• 2768[16:15:56] <tacco> Using debian stretch
• 2769[16:16:31] <deicide-> hello, i have issue with my mouse pointer not disappearing when watching twitch
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• 2773[16:17:07] <deicide-> tried restart browser and the whole system and it done nothing
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• 2777[16:18:52] <TomyWork> deicide- that's a warning :)
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• 2780[16:20:10] <TomyWork> i dont know, maybe t-mobile is too slow to reply?
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• 2785[16:21:34] <TomyWork> i mean it does look like it establishes the connection a short time later
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• 2788[16:22:01] <TomyWork> but then again, i dont know pppd's status codes
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• 2800[16:24:14] <tacco> TomyWork: is there any way to change the timeouts for pppd?
• 2801[16:25:31] <tacco> if i do a strace on the pppd i can only see something like "read(14, 0x561b30ab0ba2, 1502) = -1 EAGAIN (Resource temporarily unavailable)"
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• 2803[16:25:48] <TomyWork> what is 14?
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• 2806[16:27:06] <TomyWork> try running this while the straced pppd is trying to connect: ls -alh /proc/"$(pgrep pppd)"/fd
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• 2813[16:30:34] <tacco> here we go replaced-url
• 2814[16:30:41] <tacco> /dev/ppp
• 2815[16:31:09] <TomyWork> just to be sure, did strace say the same file number again?
• 2816[16:31:16] <tacco> yes
• 2817[16:31:18] <TomyWork> k
• 2818[16:31:19] <tacco> 14 and 15
• 2819[16:31:20] <tacco> crw------- 1 root root 108, 0 Jan 5 15:32 /dev/ppp
• 2820[16:31:27] <TomyWork> oh
• 2821[16:31:33] <TomyWork> maybe it's talking to itself? :)
• 2822[16:31:45] <TomyWork> i have no idea what /dev/ppp is
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• 2824[16:32:14] <tacco> same here
• 2825[16:32:24] <gpunk> maybe a "modem"
• 2826[16:32:31] <gpunk> ttyS...
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• 2829[16:33:48] <tacco> the modem should be the /dev/ttyACM0
• 2830[16:33:49] <gpunk> or ttyAVM...
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• 2835[16:34:54] <tacco> crw-rw---- 1 root dialout 166, 0 Jan 5 16:33 /dev/ttyACM0
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• 2837[16:35:21] <r3> ppp? point-to-point protocol? hrm
• 2838[16:35:28] <tacco> everything looks good but i have no clue what could be the problem
• 2839[16:35:28] <gpunk> yes
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• 2841[16:35:36] <TomyWork> i just packaged and booted a new debian basebox. Used space on /: exactly 1000M
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• 2845[16:36:13] <deicide-> how do i make my mouse disappear?
• 2846[16:36:35] <gpunk> the video player should do that
• 2847[16:36:41] <gpunk> otherwise , you cant
• 2848[16:36:51] <gpunk> or just move it out of the way
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• 2850[16:36:58] <gpunk> bottom right of the screen
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• 2860[16:41:48] <RebelCoderRU> Guys, is there a repo/a way to install Plasma 5.11 on my Debian 9 Stable ?
• 2861[16:41:53] <RebelCoderRU> Out of the box it is in 5.8
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• 2866[16:42:41] <somiaj> RebelCoderRU: not really, desktops are a very large collection of packages, and would take a lot of work to backport, so I don't think it gets done.
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• 2868[16:43:15] <RebelCoderRU> So just have to wait until official repos will update to more recent Plasma ?
• 2869[16:43:17] <RebelCoderRU> correct ?
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• 2873[16:43:58] <somiaj> RebelCoderRU: stable is frozen, as such you get a stable experience. One affect this has is the kde version wont' be updated in stretch.
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• 2875[16:44:40] <RebelCoderRU> Ahhh... got it. So testing would be the one if I want latest Plasma ?
• 2876[16:44:50] <somiaj> RebelCoderRU: The next release will have a newer kde version, but that is a year to two away. You could run testing, but this is only suggested if you really know what you are doing.
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• 2880[16:45:20] <RebelCoderRU> somiaj, Got it! thanks. Love to learn new things.
• 2881[16:45:21] <d7415> Hi. When an "Accepted xxxxx into stretch-backports, stretch-backports" message goes through tracker.debian.org, how long is it normally until that version appears in the repos (and the versions section on the tracker.debian.org page)?
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• 2888[16:47:59] <tacco> hm.. seems that pppstats shows only outgoing packages.. this could be for sure a problem
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• 2896[16:50:31] <tacco> looks as ppp sends 15 packages and nothing returned strange
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• 2915[17:00:03] <nkuttler> how well are usb sound cards supported nowadays?
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• 2921[17:01:11] <SirLagz> nkuttler: I've got a USB headset and it works
• 2922[17:01:11] <somiaj> nkuttler: might depend on the sound card, but the last two usb headsets I have all have just worked.
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• 2925[17:01:45] <nkuttler> oh.. i totally forgot.. i have used a usb headset myself years ago..
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• 2928[17:02:08] <nkuttler> have this new laptop, and the sound card just sucks under linux.. dell xps 13
• 2929[17:02:20] <nkuttler> like crackling and white noise..
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• 2932[17:02:29] <SirLagz> nkuttler: yeah I have the same issue on my desktop
• 2933[17:02:49] <SirLagz> I've thought about getting a USB sound card to fix it too
• 2934[17:03:03] <SirLagz> I fixed it on Jessie, but the issue can't be fixed with the same fix on Stretch :(
• 2935[17:03:44] <nkuttler> i dislike needing another piece of hardware, but not as much as returning the laptop
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• 2938[17:04:06] <nkuttler> actually.. hm.. maybe i should get one for the odroid as well
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• 2950[17:07:35] <bin_bash> there's no way to use a new kernel/new packages without rebooting, is there?
• 2951[17:07:41] <bin_bash> i'd rather not lose my weechat session, if possible
• 2952[17:07:49] <SirLagz> bin_bash: there is, but you need to set the box up previously
• 2953[17:08:06] <bin_bash> SirLagz: got it. how can i set it up so that i can avoid this in the future?
• 2954[17:08:18] <SirLagz> bin_bash: setup kexec
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• 2957[17:08:32] * bin_bash googles
• 2958[17:08:34] <bin_bash> thanks
• 2959[17:08:40] <bin_bash> got any recommended reading or resources?
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• 2962[17:08:46] <bin_bash> i've heard of kexec, but dont know anything about it
• 2963[17:08:57] <SirLagz> bin_bash: actually you *might* be able to do it without setting it up previously? I thought you had to, but after reading the man page, maybe not
• 2964[17:09:03] <SirLagz> bin_bash: man page for a start
• 2965[17:09:13] <bin_bash> kexec is its own process? or its part of systemd?
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• 2967[17:09:20] <bin_bash> just found this: replaced-url
• 2968[17:09:25] <bin_bash> seems a good place to start heh
• 2969[17:09:39] <SirLagz> yeah that would be a good place to start lol
• 2970[17:09:45] <bin_bash> thanks :D
• 2971[17:10:13] <bin_bash> so i guess my question next is: is it safe to configure kexec-tools after doing a system upgrade, but before doing a reboot?
• 2972[17:10:29] <SirLagz> bin_bash: I would do a reboot just to be safe
• 2973[17:10:32] <bin_bash> ok
• 2974[17:10:35] <bin_bash> probably a good call
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• 2978[17:11:41] <bin_bash> stupid question: any reason why apt autoremove doesn't work, but apt-get autoremove does?
• 2979[17:11:49] <bin_bash> i was under the impression apt and apt-get were the same?
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• 2981[17:13:32] <bezaban> bin_bash: they're not :)=
• 2982[17:14:06] <TomyWork> i was under the impression that the "apt" command will take over all the tasks of apt-get apt-cache and such
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• 2984[17:14:39] <Megaf> UPS holding two servers + laptop
• 2985[17:14:43] <Megaf> not bad
• 2986[17:14:43] <SirLagz> I always thought that apt utilises apt-get and apt-cache, etc to actually perform the tasks it needs to
• 2987[17:14:51] <SirLagz> Megaf: for how long?
• 2988[17:14:54] <TomyWork> Megaf why do you UPS your laptop? :D
• 2989[17:15:14] <Megaf> TomyWork: just to give some laod to the UPS
• 2990[17:15:24] <Megaf> SirLagz: long enough to gracefuly shutdown the servers
• 2991[17:15:28] <SirLagz> Megaf: nice
• 2992[17:15:30] <Megaf> maybe 30 min
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• 2994[17:16:00] <Megaf> oh oh
• 2995[17:16:05] <Megaf> 10 min
• 2996[17:16:08] <Megaf> not even 10 min
• 2997[17:16:14] <Megaf> UPS beeping like crazy now
• 2998[17:16:22] <SirLagz> haha
• 2999[17:16:33] <TomyWork> get outta there, it's gonna explode
• 3000[17:16:34] <Megaf> like two or 3 beeps per second
• 3001[17:16:44] <bin_bash> <TomyWork> i was under the impression that the "apt" command will take over all the tasks of apt-get apt-cache and such
• 3002[17:16:46] <bin_bash> ^sane
• 3003[17:16:47] <bin_bash> same**
• 3004[17:17:05] <TomyWork> been a while since someone called me sane
• 3005[17:17:05] <bin_bash> so is there a reason apt autoremove is invalid?
• 3006[17:17:08] <bin_bash> hahaha
• 3007[17:17:14] <Megaf> shutting down servers
• 3008[17:17:16] <bin_bash> well it was a typo ;P
• 3009[17:17:18] <Megaf> ok
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• 3012[17:17:35] <Megaf> so, after my UPS begins to beep like crazy I have enough time to shut down both servers sequentialy
• 3013[17:17:37] <bin_bash> Megaf: nice which UPS? been looking at getting one for my fish and snake
• 3014[17:18:06] <Megaf> servers down, UPS stopped beeping. Router and laptop still conencted to UPS
• 3015[17:18:09] <Megaf> and have power
• 3016[17:18:15] <bin_bash> interesting
• 3017[17:18:26] <Megaf> cool, so I keep connectivity for long
• 3018[17:18:38] <Megaf> bin_bash: it's a Brazilian UPS brand
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• 3020[17:18:58] <Megaf> bin but any on line type UPS will be good
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• 3022[17:19:37] <bin_bash> cool
• 3023[17:19:44] <Megaf> the onlines ones are more expensive and complicated, but they are nicier because they will always pwoer you from their inverter, isolating you from the network
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• 3025[17:20:04] <bin_bash> interesting
• 3026[17:20:19] <Megaf> ok, lets bring one server back online, the quad core 3,2 GHz 8GB one
• 3027[17:20:19] <bin_bash> i dont really need one for my comptuers, but my snake and fish need some kind of battery backup if the power goes out
• 3028[17:20:27] <bin_bash> ive been waffling on buying one
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• 3035[17:24:09] <Megaf> Hah, UPS came down as soon as I tried to bring server up
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• 3037[17:24:14] <Megaf> had to reset the UPS
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• 3039[17:24:23] <f-a> well, I guess this will be/is a FAQ today: I have a The following packages have a `packages have been kept back: linux-image-686-pae` while updating. Time to invoke the nonaptly names `dist-upgrade`, right?
• 3040[17:24:36] <Megaf> bin_bash: for that any UPS will do
• 3041[17:24:58] <bin_bash> Megaf: ya thats kinda what ive been figuring
• 3042[17:25:08] <Megaf> get the cheapest one with the biggest battery you can find
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• 3044[17:25:42] <Megaf> though the pumps might need an UPS that outputs sine wave
• 3045[17:25:54] <Megaf> water pump and filters
• 3046[17:26:08] <Megaf> get the cheapest sine wave UPS you can find, and it will be expensive
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• 3056[17:29:13] <Megaf> bin_bash: you need a "pure sine wave" "active PFC"
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• 3058[17:29:21] <Megaf> if you care about your animals
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• 3061[17:30:30] <bin_bash> why whats the different
• 3062[17:30:32] <bin_bash> difference
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• 3065[17:31:12] <Megaf> basically cheap UPS send a square wave in the output
• 3066[17:31:22] <Megaf> this is fine for computers and most electronics
• 3067[17:31:29] <Megaf> but that's not smooth power
• 3068[17:31:41] <Megaf> electric motors want smooth power to work nicely
• 3069[17:31:55] <Megaf> square wave is like, on off on off on off
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• 3071[17:32:13] <Megaf> a sine wave goes up and down smoothly
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• 3073[17:32:42] <Megaf> that's a nice UPS replaced-url
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• 3075[17:33:03] <Megaf> this one is good enough replaced-url
• 3076[17:33:12] <Megaf> (same model, just less power)
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• 3078[17:34:03] <bin_bash> oh interesting
• 3079[17:34:07] <bin_bash> i didnt realize that
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• 3082[17:34:41] <bin_bash> would a sqaure wave cause an incadescent or halogen bulb to burn more quickly?
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• 3088[17:36:17] <Megaf> I woundlt be a rpoblem for incadescent
• 3089[17:36:21] <Megaf> no idea about other types
• 3090[17:36:26] <Megaf> it wouldnt*
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• 3092[17:36:49] <Megaf> bin_bash: you can join ##electronics and make questions there
• 3093[17:36:49] <Megaf> :)
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• 3097[17:37:05] <Megaf> just say you have some fishtanks and stuff and thinking about UPS
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• 3099[17:37:18] <bin_bash> ok ill check it later maybe
• 3100[17:37:19] <bin_bash> thanks Megaf :D
• 3101[17:37:23] <BCMM> i joined halfway through but i'm really curious about this
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• 3103[17:37:37] <jim> Megaf, square wave is ok for nonreactive loads (those with capacatance and inductance)... otherwise you want a sine wave one
• 3104[17:37:55] <Megaf> That's the cheapest PFC at newegg replaced-url
• 3105[17:38:31] <Megaf> jim: what about fluorecent bulbs ballasts?
• 3106[17:38:41] <Megaf> and AC motors
• 3107[17:38:45] <Megaf> that's the problem
• 3108[17:38:55] <Megaf> I don't think they would like square wave
• 3109[17:38:56] <jim> those might be reactive... motors -are- reactive
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• 3113[17:40:01] <Megaf> "When I did a similar test on a smaller 10-gallon tank with a Top Fin 20 filter that hangs on the back of the tank, the filter began to gurgle and sputter when it was supported by battery power from the 5S so it really depends what type of equipment you have."
• 3114[17:40:09] <Megaf> hence me recommending sine wave
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• 3117[17:40:56] <jim> here's the thing... so, maybe you have 110v ac at 60 hz (in some areas of the world anyway)... a coil (which is an inductor) of the right value can cause the peaks to go to far more than the 110v
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• 3121[17:42:29] <Megaf> 240V@50Hz in Europe, 220V@60Hz in most of Brazil, 110V@60Hz in USA
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• 3126[17:44:01] <jim> an inductor is kinda like a spring that also has some weight to it... hit it with the positive half of the square wave, you push that spring, and the weight can take it to like 500-700v or more depending
• 3127[17:44:25] <babilen> jim, Megaf: Sorry, but how exactly is that related to Debian?
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• 3131[17:44:37] <Megaf> oops
• 3132[17:44:57] <Megaf> bin_bash: if you want to keep talking about it please lets go to #Debian-OffTopic
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• 3134[17:45:07] <babilen> It strikes me as rather offtopic (if interesting) and ^^^^^
• 3135[17:45:19] <bin_bash> Megaf: np im dont for now ty
• 3136[17:45:20] <babilen> cheers!
• 3137[17:45:39] <bin_bash> done**
• 3138[17:45:41] <Megaf> babilen: well, I had a couple of Debian servers running from an UPS. That's how it's related to Debian
• 3139[17:45:49] <Megaf> :P
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• 3141[17:46:57] <bin_bash> i admittedly took it off-topic
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• 3143[17:47:37] <jim> well for one thing, such a cicruit could generate that kind of voltage... so any computers on the same circuit could be destroyed... if was running debian, you wouldn't be able to run apt
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• 3149[17:49:09] <m0j0dj0dj0> Hi, what is the best way to get 2 different colors with grep (like failure=red and success=green) on 2 pattern match (like OK/KO) from the
• 3150[17:49:11] <m0j0dj0dj0> same output ?
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• 3160[17:50:15] <artag> I'm updating a debian machine from jessie to stretch. I have an nvidia G94 and there is a warning that I should use a legacy driver instead of the mainstream one.
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• 3162[17:50:32] <artag> One reference says 'don't install the new one'.
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• 3164[17:50:59] <artag> But I can't complete the upgrade unless I permit it to install the new, unusable driver
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• 3166[17:51:17] <artag> Is this OK ? Can I change it later ?
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• 3168[17:51:44] <artag> if I refuse the new driver the whole iknstall stops with hundreds of libraries left undone
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• 3174[17:53:52] <Megaf> In one system I have a 03:06.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20
• 3175[17:53:57] <Megaf> It works great
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• 3177[17:54:09] <Megaf> In another system, I have a 00:0a.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8185 IEEE 802.11a/b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 20)
• 3178[17:54:13] <Megaf> It's terrible
• 3179[17:54:31] <Megaf> both using the same software
• 3180[17:54:34] <Megaf> I don't get it
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• 3191[17:57:12] <jer0me> what does "terrible" mean?
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• 3193[17:57:38] <Megaf> connection drops all the time, huge latency
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• 3197[17:58:33] <jer0me> Megaf: same kernel and firmwares?
• 3198[17:58:37] <Megaf> jer0me: this is terrible replaced-url
• 3199[17:58:57] <Walakea> is there a way to tell apt to ignore upgrades of specific packages (specifically linux kernel related)?
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• 3203[17:59:33] <Megaf> jer0me: both systems are Debian Stable using RT kernel
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• 3205[17:59:45] <Megaf> only difference one is 64 bit and another is 32
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• 3207[18:00:03] <Megaf> and the WIFI NICs are slightly different, though they are same brand and chipset
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• 3210[18:00:23] <artag> can you swap them over ?
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• 3213[18:01:59] <Megaf> artag: I did that, the terrible NIC is always terrible
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• 3222[18:03:44] <jer0me> Megaf: iwconfig should give you some information about signal/noise/etc.
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• 3227[18:04:41] <jer0me> maybe the antenna connectors are damaged, to start with the low hanging fruits
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• 3232[18:05:22] <artag> maybe it's just broken, then ?
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• 3238[18:06:20] <jer0me> I have had this problem on a thinkpad. the antenna cable had some kind of twist and the card pigtail little retention force, so the cable would pop out after a while.
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• 3247[18:08:26] <jer0me> artag: I would check the connectors while monitoring the signal strength to verify if it has any effect. Then I would assume the card unusable
• 3248[18:08:38] <artag> yes, good idea
• 3249[18:08:38] <jer0me> if the problem persists
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• 3256[18:10:09] <mframe> I forgot to upgrade before dist-upgrade when moving from stretch to buster. system boots fine but gdm is presenting a black screen. any ideas?
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• 3263[18:11:08] <Megaf> apt install firmware-linux with contrib and non-free repos enabled
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• 3268[18:11:52] <bin_bash> damnit. i did a system update and now my colors are all fucked up
• 3269[18:12:27] <Megaf> jer0me: artag my iwconfig replaced-url
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• 3271[18:12:49] <Megaf> the computer is like 30 cm away from teh router...
• 3272[18:12:58] <Megaf> let me swap antennas
• 3273[18:13:24] <artag> and the iwconfig for the good card ?
• 3274[18:13:43] <bin_bash> how tf do i figure out what/why/where my colors got changes?
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• 3276[18:13:49] <bin_bash> changed*
• 3277[18:14:57] <artag> maybe in .baashrc ?
• 3278[18:15:00] <artag> .bashrc
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• 3282[18:15:37] <bin_bash> didnt change i dont think let me see
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• 3284[18:16:26] <artag> it references other things like .dircolors though
• 3285[18:16:34] <Megaf> that's the iwconfig in the good nic replaced-url
• 3286[18:16:43] <Megaf> signal is good in both...
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• 3292[18:17:22] <artag> the bit rate is higher in the bad one
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• 3294[18:17:46] <Megaf> Good one replaced-url
• 3295[18:17:51] <artag> oh, the other way round
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• 3297[18:17:55] <Megaf> bad one replaced-url
• 3298[18:18:05] <bin_bash> i wish those files wouldnt update...
• 3299[18:18:14] <bin_bash> why cant there be a debnew system like arch has with pacnew files =/
• 3300[18:18:27] <artag> i hate coloured bash so I always turn it off
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• 3302[18:19:01] <bin_bash> i think it's weechat
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• 3304[18:19:03] <bin_bash> cuz vim looks right
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• 3321[18:26:29] <mframe> is wayland working w/ nvidia proprietary drivers now ?
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• 3333[18:30:25] <otyugh> random question about "apt update" : why does it takes so much time when everything is already up to date ? Something like a shasum of a "repository state at X time" would be like seconds to check, why sync everything everytime when a shasum comparison would be enought ?
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• 3354[18:36:55] <bin_bash> i just want my bash colors back... fucking hell i dont even know what they were before
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• 3419[18:52:16] <mpo> Is there a KDE application that helps managing a pdf collection like there is in Gnome?
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• 3422[18:53:53] <mpo> ...besides Callibre
• 3423[18:54:15] <Divergenz> hi. i installed s-nail and created a script that send me a mail for each successful ssh login but I'm getting -bash: mailx: command not found.
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• 3425[18:54:39] <petn-randall> Divergenz: Do you have mailx installed?
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• 3429[18:56:50] <Divergenz> hm no. should i install mailutils 1:3.1.1-1 or bsd-mailx 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4?
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• 3432[18:57:24] <petn-randall> Divergenz: Both work fine, whatever suits you.
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• 3447[19:02:03] <Divergenz> ok, i installed bsd-mailx
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• 3456[19:07:19] <otyugh> bin_bash, there is a little stuff you should add to you bashrc to get colors
• 3457[19:07:38] <otyugh> or you are using a terminal emulator not supporting colors
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• 3460[19:07:56] <bin_bash> otyugh: colors are there, just wrong
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• 3464[19:08:45] <otyugh> Because you changed PS1 ?
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• 3481[19:11:43] <bin_bash> nope
• 3482[19:11:47] <bin_bash> not sure what happened
• 3483[19:11:49] <bin_bash> brb
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• 3485[19:12:20] <obso> Confused about the status of the meltdown patch. Is this avaliable now? I see on replaced-url
• 3486[19:12:31] <obso> Just updated one of my systems and rebooted, still seeing 4.9.65-deb9u1
• 3487[19:12:42] <SirLagz> obso: make sure you have the security repo enabled
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• 3489[19:13:43] <SirLagz> obso: just updated my boxes - uname -v shows #1 SMP Debian 4.9.65-3+deb9u2 (2018-01-04)
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• 3491[19:13:52] <obso> deb replaced-url
• 3492[19:13:52] <backtrack_> hi
• 3493[19:13:54] <backtrack_> replaced-url
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• 3495[19:14:06] <backtrack_> is there any function like this in telnet client?
• 3496[19:14:17] <SirLagz> obso: yes
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• 3498[19:14:35] <SirLagz> backtrack_: why are you using telnet?
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• 3501[19:14:51] <backtrack_> SirLagz, are you everywhere?
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• 3503[19:15:02] <backtrack_> because my router's vendor give access that way
• 3504[19:15:12] <SirLagz> backtrack_: does it support SSH?
• 3505[19:15:16] <backtrack_> no
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• 3507[19:15:19] <SirLagz> ergh
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• 3510[19:15:34] <backtrack_> is there not any way to send null packet in telnet client?
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• 3512[19:15:47] <SirLagz> backtrack_: which telnet client are you using?
• 3513[19:15:48] <obso> SirLagz: im an idiot I didnt do dist-upgrade :\
• 3514[19:16:02] <SirLagz> obso: lol
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• 3517[19:16:12] <SirLagz> obso: problem solvered!
• 3518[19:16:17] <obso> indeed!
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• 3521[19:16:41] <backtrack_> SirLagz, debian telnet default client
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• 3525[19:17:29] <SirLagz> backtrack_: I'm going to guess no.
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• 3527[19:17:50] <SirLagz> backtrack_: quick search of the man page didn't show matches for keyword 'timeout'
• 3528[19:17:57] <backtrack_> SirLagz, and about SSH client?
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• 3530[19:18:22] <SirLagz> backtrack_: well if the router doesn't support SSH, you can't use SSH.
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• 3532[19:18:42] <backtrack_> SirLagz, maybe i can add ssh to my router
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• 3534[19:18:46] <backtrack_> in that case?
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• 3546[19:24:46] <waydot> backtrack_: exec-timeout is a server-side feature
• 3547[19:25:02] <backtrack_> i know
• 3548[19:25:10] <backtrack_> i want the same feature of putty
• 3549[19:25:11] <waydot> backtrack_: but you could send nops, if your session times out for a different reason (as in, crazy firewall)
• 3550[19:25:17] <backtrack_> "send null packets"
• 3551[19:25:32] <backtrack_> waydot, how?
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• 3553[19:26:00] <waydot> ah, i didnt read all the way down to second section :P
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• 3564[19:29:24] <waydot> well, apparently not with a regular telnet client
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• 3566[19:30:03] <backtrack_> and with a ssh client?
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• 3570[19:33:32] <waydot> man ssh_config and search for "Alive"
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• 3572[19:33:37] <waydot> there are several options of keepalives
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• 3577[19:35:02] <waydot> regarding kernel not updating: one is expected to do dist-upgrade to get the patched kernel?
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• 3580[19:35:21] <SirLagz> waydot: yep
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• 3583[19:37:11] <waydot> SirLagz: *shrug* i just did "install" because it was held back; i thought dist-upgrade is for inter-release upgrades ... what does "dist" stand for?
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• 3585[19:38:01] <SirLagz> waydot: distribution. as in distribution wide update
• 3586[19:38:23] <SirLagz> waydot: man apt-get
• 3587[19:38:27] <jhutchins> waydot: Check the manpage for the apt tool you use, it should explain. dist-upgrade is distribution upgrade, yes intended for release upgrades.
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• 3589[19:39:03] <jhutchins> aptitude has full-upgrade which is a little less confusing.
• 3590[19:39:10] <waydot> actually, man apt-get only says dist-upgrade handles dependencies "intelligently" since it may remove certain packages
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• 3594[19:41:06] <SirLagz> waydot: it also says it does everything upgrade does, and all the packages that can't be updated via upgrade, dist-upgrade will update them and ensure dependencies are resolved.
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• 3598[19:41:52] <waydot> it says nothing of the sort
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• 3601[19:42:25] <waydot> it says it will *attempt* to resolve potential dep issues
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• 3603[19:42:57] <SirLagz> sorry, yes, attempt.
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• 3611[19:45:54] <mnuhmnuh> does "apt edit-sources" work? what's it do?
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• 3613[19:46:59] <SirLagz> mnuhmnuh: it does things that are explained in the man page
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• 3617[19:48:34] <RedSoxFan07> I know that MacOS only uses the CPU for Java programs, which is troubling when it comes to games like Minecraft. Can Linux use the GPU for Java programs?
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• 3620[19:50:03] <baum> is this correct? replaced-url
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• 3624[19:53:05] <Olufunmilayo> no updated kernel has been pushed out to jessie correct? (spectre/meltdown)
• 3625[19:53:35] <mnuhmnuh> SirLagz: saw that; wondered what "providing basic sanity checks" means. refusing my choice of mirror? dunno.
• 3626[19:53:53] <SirLagz> mnuhmnuh: probably making sure syntax is correct.
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• 3636[19:57:13] <waydot> Olufunmilayo: replaced-url
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• 3639[19:58:32] <waydot> baum: hm ... my bugs: is empty
• 3640[19:58:46] <waydot> tested on "Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU D510"
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• 3642[19:58:58] <dvs> What??? No fix for hamm? ;-)
• 3643[19:59:00] <babilen> waydot: That's okay, that flag isn't set
• 3644[19:59:14] <baum> waydot: same, which is the reason i asked
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• 3646[19:59:19] <Olufunmilayo> waydot, thanks
• 3647[19:59:33] <babilen> "grep CONFIG_PAGE_TABLE_ISOLATION /boot/config-$(uname -r)" and "dmesg -wH | grep 'Kernel/User page tables isolation'"
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• 3650[20:00:28] <babilen> Olufunmilayo: It's still being worked on (along with 4.14 for unstable)
• 3651[20:00:30] <deicide-> how do i make my mouse disappear?
• 3652[20:01:27] <waydot> deicide-: put it in a drawer? :P
• 3653[20:01:56] <deicide-> funny
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• 3658[20:03:13] <somiaj> deicide-: unclutter?
• 3659[20:03:25] <deicide-> unclutter?
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• 3664[20:04:28] <somiaj> deicide-: an application that hides the mouse icon
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• 3667[20:05:31] <waydot> sorry, couldnt resist :P
• 3668[20:05:59] <deicide-> mouse pointer doesn't disappear when watching video
• 3669[20:06:08] <deicide-> this is so fucking frustrating
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• 3673[20:07:36] <somiaj> deicide-: so try unclutter
• 3674[20:07:59] <deicide-> nvm
• 3675[20:08:02] <SirLagz> deicide-: or put the mouse cursor into the bottom right corner
• 3676[20:08:04] <deicide-> now i have it on windows
• 3677[20:08:15] <deicide-> its the damned website
• 3678[20:08:17] <SirLagz> deicide-: maybe the mouse is twitching by itself
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• 3681[20:09:08] <deicide-> i cant do that cause its black with white frame
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• 3684[20:10:02] <baum> deicide-: maybe play the video with vlc/mpv ?
• 3685[20:10:42] <baum> passing them the direct link to the video usually works
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• 3688[20:11:56] <bin_bash> hey i'm having a problem connecting to an irc network, and it seems to be an issue with the openssl version in the latest debian 8
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• 3691[20:12:59] <bin_bash> here's a paste with the openssl command i'm running, and the output: replaced-url
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• 3699[20:14:45] <bin_bash> the same command works perfectly on my arch system.
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• 3701[20:14:59] <bin_bash> my debian system is on an insanely old version of openssl...
• 3702[20:15:00] <bin_bash> OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016
• 3703[20:15:07] <bin_bash> vs arch:
• 3704[20:15:08] <bin_bash> OpenSSL 1.1.0g 2 Nov 2017
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• 3712[20:16:40] <Ascavasaion> Is there a way to instgall a secondary eth card in PCIe and then combine them to make the computer send at 2Gb/s? I am reading about "bonding" but that just seems to be a way of ensuring continual network connectivity if first eth fails, or for checking which eth has the least load on it.
• 3713[20:16:59] <dvs> bin_bash, What version of Debian are you running? I have 1.1.0f
• 3714[20:17:15] <bin_bash> 8.10
• 3715[20:17:26] <bin_bash> i just did an upgrade and rebooted this morning.
• 3716[20:17:38] <dvs> bin_bash, Ok, I can see that since that the old stable version
• 3717[20:17:38] <bin_bash> prior to the upgrade/reboot, connecting to that network worked as expected
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• 3719[20:17:54] <SirLagz> Ascavasaion: bonding can be used to load balance between 2 NICs, effectively doubling bandwidth
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• 3722[20:18:23] <Ascavasaion> SirLagz: So if I set up bonding I should choose load balance?
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• 3724[20:18:34] <SirLagz> Ascavasaion: yes, as long as your switch also supports it
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• 3726[20:20:05] <Ascavasaion> SirLagz: Oh, how would I know if my swithc supports it?
• 3727[20:20:28] <SirLagz> Ascavasaion: look at the specs for link aggregation or bonding
• 3728[20:20:56] <Ascavasaion> SirLagz: Will do.
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• 3732[20:21:53] <bin_bash> dvs: ok so any idea why im getting those errors now?
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• 3735[20:22:05] <dvs> nope
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• 3747[20:26:38] <ogleb> Is there any way I can create an overlayfs without root privaleges?
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• 3751[20:27:28] <gunchyo> Hi, just wondering if replaced-url
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• 3753[20:27:37] <gunchyo> includes latest updates/patches related to Meltdown. thanks
• 3754[20:27:45] <gunchyo> not seeing anything in changelog.
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• 3761[20:31:03] <streaky> gunchyo, replaced-url
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• 3764[20:31:20] <gunchyo> cool, thanks. When can it be expected?
• 3765[20:31:30] <gunchyo> I think I'm just blind, it was included in 4.15?
• 3766[20:31:33] <streaky> *shrug*
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• 3768[20:31:54] <streaky> sooner the better for me i'm getting hassled by our security guys about how centos is patched so..
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• 3772[20:32:20] <gunchyo> hrg
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• 3775[20:32:41] <gunchyo> it's in the 4.9 stretch kernel :/
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• 3786[20:37:34] <asdfasdfa> xdriinfo/driconf fail by default here but they work if I compile my own mesa and use that.
• 3787[20:37:51] <asdfasdfa> unstable at least
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• 3802[20:47:12] <brimonk> Does anyone know if/when there will be security patches for the recent Intel stuff backported to jessie?
• 3803[20:47:40] <petn-randall> brimonk: Yes.
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• 3810[20:49:28] <brimonk> petn-randall: when then?
• 3811[20:50:29] <dvs> brimonk, now, for stretch
• 3812[20:50:36] <BCMM> brimonk: i don't know about when, but you can bookmark this to see if it's happened yet: replaced-url
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• 3820[20:53:40] <brimonk> thanks BCMM
• 3821[20:53:52] <mnuhmnuh> streaky: tell your security guys to take a valium. debian's well known for not jumping at shadows. suck it.
• 3822[20:54:07] <mnuhmnuh> imho.
• 3823[20:54:11] <BCMM> brimonk: that one is just for meltdown, as i understand it
• 3824[20:54:15] <streaky> rofl
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• 3826[20:54:21] <BCMM> mnuhmnuh: shadows?
• 3827[20:54:23] <streaky> tbh, that was my thought too
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• 3831[20:58:18] <mnuhmnuh> i'm still watching replaced-url
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• 3839[21:01:12] <babilen> brimonk: They are currently pending (should be available soon)
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• 3847[21:02:21] <babilen> (in 3.16.51-3+deb8u1 for jessie presumably)
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• 3941[21:39:27] <Labu> Hello I want to know the USB version on my hardware running Debian. What is the command for this purpose ?
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• 3960[21:49:01] <tijeretas__> Labu: The comand is: lsusb
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• 3968[21:50:54] <Doxin> I've installed nvidia-driver, but the xorg log tells me it keeps loading the nouveau driver. there is a modprobe config file which ought to blacklist nouveau but clearly it's not working. How do I fix this?
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• 3972[21:52:17] <Doxin> oh whoops I didn't generate an xorg config, lemme reboot to see if that helped.
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• 3977[21:53:17] <Posterdati> hi I'm running debian 9.3 with debian kde installation, when I log in it freezes the session, it took several minutes to start
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• 3980[21:54:36] <Posterdati> I installed it with apt install kde-full
• 3981[21:55:02] <Labu> thx tijeretas__ the usb port I want to know about is named "usb 1-1" in dmesg. Is it mean bus 1 and device 1 ?
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• 3983[21:55:39] <tijeretas__> Labu: I suppose, yes.
• 3984[21:55:47] <Posterdati> .xsession-errors complains about missing some libraries
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• 3986[21:56:35] <tijeretas__> Posterdati: Tried searching those libraries with apt search/synaptic/aptitude and installing them?
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• 3990[21:57:46] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: they are related to kde
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• 3992[21:59:56] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: kf5.kded: No X-KDE-DBus-ServiceName found in "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/kf5/kded/desktopnotifier.so"
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• 3999[22:02:54] <mrx_> hi
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• 4002[22:04:17] <Ascavasaion> I installed Debian... and wanted to install openmediavault... I followed instructions on replaced-url
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• 4007[22:05:10] <Posterdati> no way
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• 4009[22:05:46] <tijeretas__> Posterdati: Looks to me like either some things weren't installed properly or you have some faulty config files. Try reinstalling those libs it complains about and delete everything .kde related in $HOME (might be a bummer to lose previous configs, but well...)
• 4010[22:07:00] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: ok
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• 4022[22:12:56] <lrvick> So I have a situation where I have a kiosk style debian machine where people insert fat32 sd cards that udev automounts
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• 4025[22:13:31] <lrvick> problem is no one ever unmounts them properly, and their most recently written files often disappear
• 4026[22:14:06] <lrvick> Obviously forcing clean unmounts would be ideal, but any suggestions for mounting in such a way where it flushes to disk right away?
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• 4028[22:14:13] <lrvick> to reduce corruption potential?
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• 4033[22:15:40] <tijeretas__> lrvick: make a wallpaper that says: "PLEASE UNMOUNT YOUR DISK CLEANLY TO PREVENT DATA LOSS!!!!" Seriously, that's what a library did where I was once. :D Joking aside, you could have a sort of session logout that users had to do before they physically remove the disk which would automatically unmount their drive. Is that feasible?
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• 4036[22:16:30] <lrvick> tijeretas__: i want to automatically mount/unmount as a part of the software, but modifying how it behaves in the very short term is not an option.
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• 4039[22:17:12] <tijeretas__> lrvick: how is it not an option if it runs on Debian? is that some proprietary locked down Debian? Then I'm afraid no one here won't be able to help you.
• 4040[22:17:16] <lrvick> so if I can mount in such a way that writes are blocking and flush directly like I can do with dd that would be cool
• 4041[22:17:35] <preaction> lrvick: i found this: replaced-url
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• 4043[22:17:55] <lrvick> tijeretas__: the only interface users get is a web-ui fullscreen
• 4044[22:18:14] <lrvick> so they don't get to trigger mount/unmount directly. I automount with udev right now.
• 4045[22:18:33] <Tramp> lrvick: fat/vfat has a "flush" mount option and in general there is a "sync" and "dirsync" option
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• 4047[22:19:10] <tijeretas__> not sure if preaction's method will prevent data loss.
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• 4049[22:19:48] <preaction> "the devices are mounted in synchronous mode in order to limit the risks of data loss in case of hot unplugging."
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• 4051[22:21:10] <lrvick> that is the "flush" option? if so sounds perfect
• 4052[22:21:26] <preaction> no that's the "sync" option
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• 4054[22:21:53] <preaction> oh, no, looks like "flush"
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• 4060[22:23:53] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: seems that I fixed it forcing 96 dpi for fonts in kde settings!
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• 4063[22:24:19] <lrvick> thanks! this looks like exactly what I need as a hotfix for the moment
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• 4066[22:24:54] <donald> I am a developper, not a system administratot. I want to install two vm who communicate together but not with the host exactly like in an internal network with viertualbox. Sadly when I change the nic during the installation of a new VM I see only 3 options and not the option "internal nework". How to get this optuon?
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• 4079[22:31:00] <tijeretas__> Posterdati: very curious that a different dpi value would cause that error, but if it works :)
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• 4083[22:32:07] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: anyway I found that actually is it the compositor!
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• 4089[22:33:35] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: there was a message in the compositor page inside the settings which states that opengl was disabled!
• 4090[22:34:08] <Tramp> donald: I don't know about "during installation", but I can select Settings->Network of an installed VM and change "Attached To" to internal network
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• 4094[22:34:54] <tijeretas__> Posterdati: I remember KDE being buggy with compositing. I think there are 2 OpenGL drivers, OpenGL 2 was always buggy for me for whatever reason.
• 4095[22:35:22] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: I placed 3.1 seems to go
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• 4100[22:37:12] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: now my desktop is faster as it should be
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• 4106[22:40:34] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: to use the words from TOS - Return of the Archons: ... she is in festival! As you should be!
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• 4111[22:42:53] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: I find TOS very inspiring on CS, some things from the series are completely wrong, other just happened especially in CS...
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• 4113[22:44:36] <tijeretas__> Posterdati: Funny that you mention TOS. I'm just watching DS9 reruns :)
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• 4115[22:45:16] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: I
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• 4117[22:46:01] <Posterdati> tijeretas__: I'do not like DS9 show too much the last two episode apart
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• 4121[22:48:05] <tijeretas__> best one for me. but let's keep quiet about star trek lest we be banned from the channel for off-topic banter (as much as I'm tempted) :)
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• 4138[22:55:28] <tmm88> hey guys
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• 4140[22:55:37] <tmm88> does someone have access to a link with a guide
• 4141[22:55:53] <tmm88> for setting up wireless on a macintosh a1278
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• 4143[22:56:04] <tmm88> with installed debia 9 strech
• 4144[22:56:08] <tmm88> ?
• 4145[22:56:10] <tmm88> thank you
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• 4147[22:57:23] <f-a> I am running apt-cache search
• 4148[22:57:28] <f-a> is there a way to search by tag?
• 4149[22:57:33] <f-a> (specifically, "web::browser")
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• 4162[23:02:56] <tijeretas__> f-a: aptitude search '?tag(web::browser) !?installed' . Also see package aptitude-doc-en for more info.
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• 4164[23:03:37] <f-a> thanks tijeretas__
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• 4168[23:04:44] <tijeretas__> tmm88: Does this help? replaced-url
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• 4173[23:06:30] <jhutchins> tmm88: For those of us who don't know apple hardware, is that a PPC or Macintel?
• 4174[23:06:59] <jhutchins> tmm88: Macbook or what?
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• 4177[23:07:32] <jhutchins> f-a: aptitude search ~dbrowser
• 4178[23:07:33] <tmm88> macbook macintel a1278
• 4179[23:07:42] <jhutchins> !macbook
• 4180[23:07:43] <dpkg> methinks macbook is replaced-url
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• 4182[23:07:59] <bin_bash> tmm88: that a# model number is not very useful.
• 4183[23:08:12] <bin_bash> tmm88: it would be something like macbook pro 5,5 or 8,1
• 4184[23:08:16] <bin_bash> or something along those lines
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• 4186[23:08:27] <bin_bash> you can use everymac.com to look it up
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• 4188[23:09:14] <CameronS> hey
• 4189[23:09:29] <CameronS> is anyone on here?
• 4190[23:09:59] <bin_bash> no
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• 4192[23:10:21] <CameronS> lol
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• 4195[23:10:50] <CameronS> hey
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• 4201[23:11:29] <SuperTramp83> CameronS: if question then ask, if not then #debian-offtopic
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• 4206[23:12:25] <bin_bash> rip tmiland
• 4207[23:12:28] <bin_bash> opso
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• 4215[23:14:52] <CameronS> hey
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• 4217[23:15:21] <CameronS> hello
• 4218[23:15:25] <mrx__> hi
• 4219[23:15:28] <CameronS> wyd
• 4220[23:15:32] <jhutchins> !ask
• 4221[23:15:32] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 4222[23:16:09] <CameronS> #flood
• 4223[23:16:22] <CameronS> ping
• 4224[23:16:33] <CameronS> timer 5
• 4225[23:17:00] <tmm88> hey guys thansk for help with wireless in debian
• 4226[23:17:05] <tmm88> was already able to fix that
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• 4228[23:17:17] <CameronS> whats everyone up to?
• 4229[23:17:26] <jhutchins> tmm88: That was fast!
• 4230[23:17:31] <CameronS> lol
• 4231[23:17:43] <jhutchins> CameronS: This is not a chat channel, it's tech support for Debian.
• 4232[23:17:52] <CameronS> srry :(
• 4233[23:17:55] <CameronS> bye
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• 4236[23:19:01] <tmm88> jhutchins: that was easy updating apt-get config files, running a couple of bash commands, etc. its more less the same things for other distros, and i had already tried other distros before
• 4237[23:19:27] <tmm88> but thanks for the help
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• 4246[23:23:39] <r00tobo> hi
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• 4249[23:24:01] <r00tobo> I have a quick question...regarding jessie oldstable
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• 4252[23:24:26] <r00tobo> I noticed that the bug fix for the meltdown was only for stretch..no jessie no wheezy why?
• 4253[23:25:35] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: oldstable will get an update eventually. oldoldstable has been EOLed.
• 4254[23:26:15] <r00tobo> dondelelcaro, are u sure that wheezy is being EOL?
• 4255[23:26:18] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: there is LTS support for wheezy, however. Presumably that will get a released kernel shortly after jessie
• 4256[23:26:29] <r00tobo> if I'm not mistaken the wheezy will get support until 2018
• 4257[23:26:35] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: yes. LTS support is in effect until 2018-05-31
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• 4259[23:27:06] <r00tobo> yea I don't remember the actual date...
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• 4261[23:27:46] <r00tobo> can't you give an ETA for jessie ?
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• 4264[23:28:32] <r00tobo> because you know jessie is being deployed for a lot of production environment...servers etc...
• 4265[23:28:39] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: I'd imagine soon
• 4266[23:28:46] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: I'm not personally doing the work, though.
• 4267[23:29:06] <dondelelcaro> the fix needs to be backported, built, and tested, and all of that takes time
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• 4269[23:29:17] <r00tobo> I see
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• 4271[23:29:33] <dondelelcaro> (as bad as this particular issue is, releasing a broken kernel would be far worse)
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• 4273[23:29:50] <r00tobo> yea you're right
• 4274[23:29:59] <r00tobo> better late than sorry
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• 4276[23:30:22] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: but all of that said, if LTS and those versions are important to you, you should consider volunteering or donating to the LTS group and also to the security groups
• 4277[23:31:09] <r00tobo> yea I know that... they're doing a lot of work
• 4278[23:31:37] <r00tobo> just wanted to know if there is any ETA
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• 4284[23:34:32] <dondelelcaro> r00tobo: replaced-url
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• 4287[23:35:50] <dondelelcaro> (from that it looks like upstream hasn't even backported the patches yet)
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• 4293[23:37:56] <r00tobo> I see
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• 4296[23:39:47] <r00tobo> unfortunate
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• 4298[23:40:38] <dondelelcaro> anyway, I suspect it will be soon, because this bug is important
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• 4302[23:42:53] <rebrec> hello
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• 4306[23:44:26] <rebrec> i am creating a script that i want to make available to user through a shortcut on their display manager's desktop and / or their "start menu equivalent" ... is there a way to do such thing from command line ? (something that would work both for debian/redhat users (kde/gnome/whatever) ?
• 4307[23:44:34] <rebrec> is there a generic way please ?
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• 4310[23:45:30] <rebrec> sorry was away
• 4311[23:45:36] <dondelelcaro> rebrec: yeah, it's a .desktop file
• 4312[23:46:22] <dondelelcaro> rebrec: replaced-url
• 4313[23:46:36] <dondelelcaro> rebrec: most everything supports the base standard, though there are DE specific entries
• 4314[23:46:44] <rebrec> dondelelcaro: thanks, does that work also for kde ?
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• 4316[23:47:32] <dondelelcaro> rebrec: yep. and XFCE, and a few other things
• 4317[23:47:47] <rebrec> perfect ! thanks
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• 4320[23:49:49] <r00tobo> dondelelcaro, yea it's very important
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• 4322[23:50:00] <r00tobo> let's hope we see it backported very soon
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