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14 [00:09:33] <Logg> can anyone confirm that AMD R9 5XX series video cards need linux kernel 4.15? found that information found here: replaced-url
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19 [00:11:38] <Logg> I upgraded from a R9 380, and now on the 580, my desktop more or less works until I start anything graphically intensive, at which point the system stops outputting audio/video and the fans fail to 100% output
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21 [00:12:13] <tezogmix> Wanted to try debian amd64 cd as a guest on vmware (host machine = win7/64-i5,8gb ram) - currently trying ubuntu 16.x lts in a similar manner but find it very bloated. How much ram and disk space should I allocate (not for major data storage) would be ideal for the latest stable?
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23 [00:13:08] <tezogmix> Would 2gb/20gb be ok with 2 cores for the vmware settings?
24 [00:13:15] <Logg> tezogmix, 512MB should be minimum, although you could give it even less if you needed to.
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26 [00:13:35] <themill> depends entirely on what you want to install and run
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29 [00:13:56] <tezogmix> mainly just for firefox usage and a connection to vpn in bridge mode
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31 [00:14:26] <themill> well for firefox, it depends a lot on how many tabs you have open. firefox will use as much memory as you can give it
32 [00:14:32] <Logg> yeah, 2G/20GB sounds fine for that purpose
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36 [00:15:18] <tezogmix> That's definitely true themill - I realize the question was very subjective but those would be the main use cases... I'm anticipating maybe to transfer data through the vpn to an external hdd connected to the vmware debian guest
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39 [00:17:37] <tezogmix> This is provided if I can get the vpn connection to peak over 200Mbps within... I can get 300/20Mbps on the ubuntu live usb with the vpn service testing but for some reason it doesn't achieve this on the ubuntu guest... with vpn disabled, I can get 300/20+. Windows seems to have inherent limitations with their tap adapter/openvpn that can't exceed over 150-200Mbps.
40 [00:18:17] <tezogmix> So it'll be interesting if debian has some other effects...
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46 [00:21:08] <tezogmix> How's quantum firefox on the desktop edition? I was considering on using the esr version....
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49 [00:21:32] <Logg> I like firefox quantum.
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51 [00:22:16] <tezogmix> using it currently on w7 Logg - it's definitely an adjustment... especially with the web extension overhaul.
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55 [00:23:11] <Logg> I use pale moon and firefox esr right now, but quantum is faster. It got my mom back on firefox.
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57 [00:24:21] <tezogmix> Hah, that's something then isn't it? :) Yeah pale moon - there were a few addon extensions (non web extensions) that the developers were just sticking with on pale moon.
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60 [00:24:52] <tezogmix> I'm just glad noscript for quantum has finally gotten a bit better from the initial weeks...
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62 [00:25:13] <tezogmix> or else there's the noscript 5.x fallback for esr still...
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71 [00:28:54] <Logg> anyone know if there's a schedule for introducing new linux kernels to debian stable?
72 [00:30:22] <Almtesh> I don't think, Debian stable trends to keep the same kernel version.
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74 [00:30:46] <tezogmix> So is this the right amd64 cd iso to give it a 1st go? debian-9.3.0-amd64-xfce-CD-1.iso
75 [00:31:10] <tezogmix> 647M ^
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85 [00:34:11] <tezogmix> anyways for now it does seem to be and will see :)
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93 [00:37:03] <n4dir> Logg: as far i can tell stable backports have quite new kernel versions. (sometimes it seems to take a while, not sure about the actual situation)
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101 [00:39:04] <Logg> thanks n4dir. Wondering about kernel 4.15 making it into backports, for R9 5XX support
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105 [00:39:39] <Logg> seems like I should put my R9 380 back in until then... not sure even the proprietary drivers would help
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107 [00:41:00] <n4dir> been ages ago, and really don't take my word for it: but i have considered (for me myself) that the kernel is the one exception i would install from testing (assuming i need it, duh). Better wait for someone to shout: NO. That is a crappy idea.
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110 [00:42:28] <Logg> I've ruined a couple debians by installing from testing on stable. Maybe it's fine for the kernel, but I just want a stable system that I don't have to reinstall.
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116 [00:43:21] <n4dir> Else i am strictly against it.
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118 [00:44:10] <n4dir> but yeah, sure, just wait if it will arrive in backports
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121 [00:45:11] <Logg> even sid doesn't have 4.15 yet. it's still a release candidate apparently.
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130 [00:51:10] <noooob> Am playing with the idea of installing the debian server with a window manager on my laptop.. Anything in particular I should take account of?
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132 [00:52:35] <Logg> a lot of laptops have proprietary wifi drivers that won't work until you install blobs from the non-free repositories
133 [00:52:44] <Logg> other than that, it'll just be debian
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137 [00:53:44] <mais> hello, and happy holidays! I need some help with an UEFI debian installation to my new HP 250 G6 laptop. Can anyone please help me?
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139 [00:54:06] <noooob> Ok cool... Thxs
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144 [00:55:20] <n4dir> you probably want to get your head into ssh (and the according tools, like rsync and such) and also into something like screen or tmux
145 [00:55:50] <n4dir> oh, and into backups. duh
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157 [01:01:06] <mais> Does anybody have their debian in UEFI mode working?
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183 [01:06:34] <mais> I tried to install debian in UEFI mode through netinst-usb to my new HP 250 G6 laptop but it fails to find a boot device. Any ideas?
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188 [01:08:57] <Logg> mais: replaced-url
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194 [01:12:42] <_habnabit> hi! if i'm trying to bring up an interface on boot that isn't inet/inet6 (a monitor interface on a wlan card) then how can i manage that? can network/interfaces do it? i'm not sure how to add a pre-up script for something that isn't an inet etc. interface
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197 [01:14:56] <format_c> _habnabit, something like this:
198 [01:15:03] <format_c> auto enp2s0
199 [01:15:04] <format_c> iface enp2s0 inet manual
200 [01:15:13] <format_c> Nothing else
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202 [01:15:28] <format_c> of course the interface name may not match your system
203 [01:15:35] <_habnabit> format_c, but i want to add a pre-up script and i don't know if the interface supports inet, but i'll try it
204 [01:15:41] * format_c can't get used to the new naming convention.
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206 [01:16:37] <format_c> I use this entry just to get the phyiscal interface up and do anything inet/inet6 related on the bridge interface
207 [01:16:51] <format_c> Running a local bridge due to testing purpose.
208 [01:17:01] <_habnabit> .. actually, is there an easy supported workflow to get stretch to use systemd-networkd?
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211 [01:17:35] <format_c> ugh I always used interfaces, meanwhile interfaces.d
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225 [01:26:36] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 running stretch. It doesn't seem ever to want to boot from a stick. Every time i try it (somehow) tries to do it but inexplicably returns to stretch with no input possible. What could be going on?
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239 [01:33:22] <evaluate> Hello.
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241 [01:34:21] <evaluate> I have a binary installer (some_app.bin), which, when executed, installs some libraries and other files onto the system. What would the easiest way be to isolate these files and repackage them into a .deb format package?
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243 [01:34:45] <themill> !checkinstall
244 [01:34:45] <dpkg> CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. replaced-url
245 [01:34:54] <evaluate> (this is not intended for upload to the debian repositories btw, it's just for personal use)
246 [01:35:20] <themill> checkinstall can be a bit hit and miss but often works ok
247 [01:35:37] <evaluate> themill: The issue is, though, that it's not source files being compiled by make. Would checkinstall work in this case too?
248 [01:36:14] <themill> yes, it tries to track file installation syscalls iirc
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250 [01:37:06] <themill> More often, I put badly behaved things like that into a chroot and use schroot to seamlessly manage it. That way it can pollute the chroot in any way it wants without making a mess of the rest of the system
251 [01:37:08] <evaluate> Ok, sounds good. I'll check it out. Thaks a lot!
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253 [01:38:06] <evaluate> themill: I also thought of setting up a chroot, installing the files in there and then packing up the result into a .deb package, I'm not really sure how to "isolate" the files from the other files that are needed by the installer, though
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255 [01:38:23] <evaluate> Stuff like "cp", "cd" and other binaries that the installer might need
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263 [01:40:13] <evaluate> Thing is, I need to copy these files to a couple hundred machines, and setting up a chroot on all of them is not feasible, that's why I'd like to repackage them into a .deb format
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265 [01:41:22] <themill> yeah, making a dirty .deb is probably your best option there -- checkinstall is likely enough
266 [01:41:35] <evaluate> Ok then. Thanks again!
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281 [01:55:49] <castleguard> ping?
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283 [01:56:41] <castleguard> can anyone hear?
284 [01:56:45] <Logg> pong
285 [01:56:51] <castleguard> lovely ty
286 [01:57:13] <petn-randall> castleguard: Do you have a Debian support question?
287 [01:59:06] <castleguard> tbh was just testing irc here.
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289 [01:59:33] <bazhang> try #test castleguard
290 [02:00:12] <castleguard> I'll remember that channel (seems easy enough)
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314 [02:07:55] <xar-> what's a good tool to write an image to usb
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318 [02:08:48] <somiaj> xar-: cp is suggested for debian images.
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324 [02:16:13] <xar-> looks like win32diskmanager will do what's needed
325 [02:16:20] <xar-> thanks for chiming in somiaj
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329 [02:17:30] <petn-randall> xar-: If you only have access to a windows machine, yes.
330 [02:18:04] <xar-> yea, gotta start the linux journey somewhere :)
331 [02:18:47] <somiaj> xar-: in the future be a bit clearer on your question, 'how do I write a debian iso to a usb in windows' for instance.
332 [02:18:59] <xar-> you mean you're not a mindreader?
333 [02:19:04] <xar-> :)
334 [02:19:21] <petn-randall> xar-: We are, but we have the crystal ball for repairs in the shop.
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443 [03:42:12] <Logg> update on my rx 580: it died and made a burning smell. wasn't able to get to bios, and confirmed the card dead in a second computer. RIP.
444 [03:42:35] <Logg> I kind of doubt it was due to improper drivers
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473 [04:10:48] <ghormoon> hi, when looking for something in journal, I've noticed quite often microcode sw errors in iwlwifi (it seems to work though), should I care or is it common? paste here: replaced-url
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511 [04:40:51] <magyar> hi, is there any packages for bitcoin on wheezy ?
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521 [04:50:53] <Eduard_Munteanu> magyar, there's "electrum" in wheezy-backports
522 [04:51:30] <Eduard_Munteanu> But you should probably consider upgrading.
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541 [05:03:56] <magyar> Eduard_Munteanu: thank you
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551 [05:06:33] <magyar> Eduard_Munteanu: what about basic mining ?
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560 [05:10:04] <Eduard_Munteanu> magyar, I don't see any available for wheezy. :/
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615 [06:01:39] <toruvinn> anyone using keepass2 here? does it crash for you too when you press the Win key?
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619 [06:03:51] <ppafin> I am and it does not crash for me.
620 [06:04:39] <awal1> how can I list pkgs maintained by a given group/team?
621 [06:04:49] <toruvinn> ppafin, hm, interesting.
622 [06:04:56] <toruvinn> ppafin, thanks. which Debian? i'm on stretch.
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624 [06:05:09] <toruvinn> ii keepass2 2.35+dfsg-2 all Password manager
625 [06:05:34] <toruvinn> ppafin, you sure your WM doesn't capture that Win key somehow? ;-)
626 [06:05:37] <ppafin> I have 2.0.3
627 [06:06:26] <toruvinn> ppafin, ok, let's see if someone with 2.35 from stretch appears
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629 [06:06:45] <ppafin> actically package info shows Version: 2.35+dfsg-2
630 [06:06:52] <ppafin> UI showed something else
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632 [06:07:18] <ppafin> and I have strestch 9.3
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634 [06:07:51] <ppafin> true, gnome captures that.
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636 [06:09:42] <toruvinn> ppafin, easy to check it by running xev i guess
637 [06:10:08] <toruvinn> if you actually get the event for state 0x40, keycode 133 (keysym 0xffeb, Super_L), then yeah, it's not captured ;-)
638 [06:11:41] <ppafin> didn't get that event
639 [06:11:59] <toruvinn> im torn anyway, tbh. using "standardized" software, even if it stores passwords in a secure way, vs. using something less secure, but not known by the attacker. I mean, I've seen things like malware targeting browser password storages, so why not keepass?
640 [06:12:12] <toruvinn> hrmf :-/
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644 [06:12:43] <ppafin> True. It's pretty critical point.
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647 [06:14:29] <pennTeller> Hi guys does anybody know of some sort of web interface that can be used to configure the wifi on a debian linux box?
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650 [06:21:01] <teatime> pennTeller: why web interface ?
651 [06:21:39] <pennTeller> teatime, I'm trying to have the wifi of my pi be setup using only a browser, for somebody who doesn't know about hdmi cables etc etc
652 [06:21:43] <teatime> pennTeller: there are multiple easy 1) local GUIs and 2) CLI tools/interfaces for it, jsyk
653 [06:21:48] <teatime> word
654 [06:23:04] <pennTeller> teatime, yeah I know but in this case the idea is for the user to connect to a hotspot that the pi creates when there are no known wifi AP's around.. then set the password for home wifi and reboot it so it connects.. Sort of like the arduino YUN does it
655 [06:23:08] <teatime> how do they connect with the browser if the wifi isn't setup? :)
656 [06:23:15] <teatime> gotcha.
657 [06:23:26] <teatime> yeah makes sense.
658 [06:23:36] <pennTeller> teatime, thanks
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686 [06:59:19] <magyar> Eduard_Munteanu: what about for stretch ?
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695 [07:07:50] <LittleYinYin> hi
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697 [07:08:04] <LittleYinYin> testing
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699 [07:09:37] <somiaj> Do you have a debian support question?
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703 [07:12:24] <Eduard_Munteanu> magyar, see replaced-url
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726 [07:27:01] <awal1> an average of 25/30 % wifi señal level wicd vs nm is not a small difference (nm 60/72%- wicd 92%+)
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747 [07:45:32] <awal1> network-online.target network-pre.target network.target are?
748 [07:45:47] <awal1> purpose I mean
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750 [07:46:49] <somiaj> they are different targets during the boot, network-pre I presuse is before the network is brought up. network target is the network scripts to bring up have been run, but maybe not fully up, and network-online is some test to ensure network is actually up.
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790 [08:21:49] <vvande> hmm, looks like netstat -p is about it
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918 [10:31:38] <SopaXorzTaker> Hey there!
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920 [10:31:53] <SopaXorzTaker> With a new machine, I decided to switch to Debian from Arch
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922 [10:32:15] <SopaXorzTaker> Of course, Arch is geeky and stuff\
923 [10:32:33] <SopaXorzTaker> but having to configure it myself got boring
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934 [10:45:07] <Neel> SopaXorzTaker: hooray!
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936 [10:45:47] <Neel> SopaXorzTaker: if you know your way around linux and stuff, then buster isnt tht unstable
937 [10:46:55] <SopaXorzTaker> The only problem is that my whole / is on the SSD now\
938 [10:47:07] <SopaXorzTaker> would separating /var and /tmp make any sense?
939 [10:47:07] <Neel> so?
940 [10:47:11] <Neel> no
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942 [10:47:25] <Neel> unless its /boot
943 [10:47:32] <Neel> and /home
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948 [10:49:07] <SopaXorzTaker> Neel, I've heard that the temporary stuff is better to have on the HDD
949 [10:49:25] <Neel> i dont use a separate /tmp
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951 [10:49:29] <Neel> or a /var
952 [10:49:57] <Neel> i tried getting a separate boot, but it wasnt okaish
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954 [10:50:36] <SopaXorzTaker> (I currently have some swap on the HDD - which doesn't seem used yet, as I have 32GB of RAM)
955 [10:50:45] <soul-d> ive had no problems with ssd and linux im much more scared with my new nvme
956 [10:50:47] <Neel> yup\
957 [10:51:02] <soul-d> ive have 16gb and turned of swap since never got used
958 [10:51:13] <Neel> i hav 12 gb ram and swap doesnt get used up
959 [10:51:18] <SopaXorzTaker> But I'm worried about the wear the SSD would get if I kept storing the variable files on it
960 [10:51:29] <soul-d> noatime i think helps with that ?
961 [10:51:30] <Neel> idk
962 [10:52:10] <soul-d> but i have fedora 23 on one of those 120gb ssd's and still runs fine
963 [10:52:15] <Neel> if you hav doubts tht storing /tmp n /var in ssd will cause it to wear,then move it to the hdd
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966 [10:53:57] <SopaXorzTaker> Neel, I was rteading around and seems like it doesn't matter that much
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968 [10:54:17] <SopaXorzTaker> plus, storing the temp files on my SSD will give a performance gain - so why not?
969 [10:54:18] <Neel> mhm
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971 [10:54:29] <soul-d> i think it was more of a thing when ssd where brand new
972 [10:54:33] <Neel> i dont think it will matter much
973 [10:55:08] <SopaXorzTaker> Okay.
974 [10:55:27] <soul-d> you can just look at the specs of the disk they probably alow for 100's of tb's written before failure
975 [10:56:00] <soul-d> ive calated that for nvme i would need to write like 100gb a day for 5 years or something
976 [10:56:11] <soul-d> or per week
977 [10:57:26] <Neel> disks prices are so low
978 [10:57:31] <Neel> just buy another :P
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981 [11:01:10] <pingfloyd> that's more of an issue in the past
982 [11:01:36] <pingfloyd> wear leveling is pretty ubiquitous and is more developed now
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999 [11:27:16] <Night-Shade> A few years old now but a good article about SSD life expectancy here: replaced-url
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1007 [11:31:12] <nix64bit> not sure I want to read that, my ssd has been great for about 2 years
1008 [11:31:29] <nix64bit> i shouldnt have said that
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1022 [11:33:01] <Texou> :)
1023 [11:33:03] <Texou> interesting
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1025 [11:33:18] <Texou> I have always refused ssd for this problem of long life
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1027 [11:33:23] <Texou> 2 years it is nothing
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1030 [11:33:32] <Texou> I want a disk for 10 years
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1032 [11:33:51] <debcur204934> I'm trying to understand if this packages are deb packages for ntopng or ntop plain
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1047 [11:35:18] <debcur204934> Someone could help me ? replaced-url
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1050 [11:38:10] <Night-Shade> basically any modern SSD will last a very long time of being hammered with writes all day every day
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1052 [11:38:48] <nix64bit> i had issues with raspberrypi sdcard lifespan
1053 [11:39:09] <Night-Shade> if you look at your disk stats you will find that it's about 80% read for most use cases and even if you are write heavy it's a very unusual work load that is so write heavy
1054 [11:39:35] <nix64bit> it was unused for a year when i plugged it back in it had disk errors
1055 [11:39:41] <Night-Shade> there are work loads that will break SSDs with writes but they are uncommon even then SSD have lots of life
1056 [11:39:56] <Night-Shade> SDcards are normally cheap crap
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1058 [11:40:10] <nix64bit> so they told me
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1069 [11:40:26] <Night-Shade> and also there can be issues with SSDs being unplugged they do lose charge eventually
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1072 [11:41:10] <Night-Shade> personally I view SD cards as disposable and either back them up or automate the config of the system using them
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1074 [11:41:43] <nix64bit> i dont trust them with much anymore
1075 [11:41:51] <Night-Shade> indeed that's the best way
1076 [11:41:59] <nix64bit> sad about rpi which has great potential
1077 [11:42:31] <Night-Shade> you can boot the pi3 (maybe the pi2 can't remember) off USB storage or network directly
1078 [11:42:37] <Night-Shade> but that's for a different chan
1079 [11:42:41] <nix64bit> is there any way to check my ssd for potential failure?
1080 [11:42:53] <Night-Shade> if it's a real SSD use smarten tools
1081 [11:43:07] <Night-Shade> smartmon even silly auto correct
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1083 [11:43:28] <nix64bit> so its smartmon?
1084 [11:43:42] <Night-Shade> nearly all modern SSD have smart stats
1085 [11:43:46] <Night-Shade> yes it is
1086 [11:44:07] <Night-Shade> smartmontools - control and monitor storage systems using S.M.A.R.T.
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1088 [11:44:25] <Night-Shade> sudo apt-get install smartmontools
1089 [11:44:44] <Night-Shade> many SSDs export some form of life expectancy via smart
1090 [11:45:51] <Night-Shade> e.g. on my crucial SSD I get
1091 [11:45:53] <Night-Shade> 202 Perc_Rated_Life_Used 0x0018 100 100 001 Old_age Offline - 0
1092 [11:46:09] <Night-Shade> from smartctl -a /dev/sdX
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1104 [11:48:31] <nix64bit> thanks
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1111 [11:50:20] <nix64bit> Error 59565 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 33244 hours (1385 days + 4 hours)
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1125 [11:54:10] <nix64bit> Error 59565 thats a big error
1126 [11:54:22] <nix64bit> :)
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1152 [12:05:25] <Night-Shade> that is indeed a bit big error number
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1154 [12:05:39] <Night-Shade> I'd suggest that SSD might be worth backing up and replacing :)
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1175 [12:17:04] <roger21> there is no mail system anymore in a base system?
1176 [12:17:24] <roger21> where go the failed crontabs
1177 [12:20:15] <jmd> How do I disable the bell in X. "xset b off" seems to be broken on debian.
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1181 [12:24:11] <jaggz> what would I need to get Okular 1.3 (Released Dec 14) in my debian system? I'm in Stretch
1182 [12:24:24] <jaggz> hey.. I joined #debian-next .. why'd it take me here
1183 [12:24:35] <jaggz> well hello. Fancy meeting you here.
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1202 [12:44:24] <warai_otoko> Hello! Debian Jessie powerpc here
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1208 [12:44:59] <warai_otoko> everytime I update my system with systemd I loose my swap partition
1209 [12:45:16] <warai_otoko> how can I prevent this?
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1212 [12:46:12] <warai_otoko> fstab seems to be ignored: it doesn't make a difference using UUID or /dev/sadX here
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1215 [12:47:35] <warai_otoko> in both cases, every boot there is the info about a running job. this job fails, always(!) and after 1min30secs swap is ignored and the system runs without it
1216 [12:47:43] <warai_otoko> going crazy here...
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1219 [12:49:53] <f-a> hello, I downloaded a third party .deb
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1221 [12:50:22] <f-a> is there a way to 'install' it without being root? I don't like being root with 3rd party packages
1222 [12:50:27] <ompaul> !dontbreakdebian
1223 [12:50:27] <dpkg> dont break debian is probably replaced-url
1224 [12:50:34] <ompaul> f-a: read that ^^
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1226 [12:52:11] <f-a> thanks
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1309 [13:34:46] <N0Lif3> should Print Server be selected at startup if I never intend to use a printer?
1310 [13:34:59] <N0Lif3> during install*
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1318 [13:37:41] <rudi_s> N0Lif3: No.
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1323 [13:41:21] <babilen> N0Lif3: You might want to start with someting small (i.e. standard task) and then add packages as you see fit
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1351 [14:00:39] <notafemalenot13> When I installed Debian the other day, at no point did the installer ask me if I want to encrypt the system. What's up with that?
1352 [14:00:47] <notafemalenot13> I was sure this was going to be one of the steps.
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1356 [14:04:14] <themill> notafemalenot13: you have that option at the partitioning step
1357 [14:04:31] <notafemalenot13> themill: If so, it's not obvious.
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1359 [14:04:54] <themill> it is well documented
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1365 [14:08:54] <notafemalenot13> themill: Well documented?
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1378 [14:13:08] <OtakuSenpai> notafemalenot13: you did hav the option at the partitioning step
1379 [14:13:18] <OtakuSenpai> create LVM disk or something
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1385 [14:15:52] <roger21> phppgadmin has a major bug (can't export) and there is no fix yet
1386 [14:15:57] <roger21> why?
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1393 [14:22:04] <roger21> it is almost 2y old too
1394 [14:22:13] <roger21> is this fuckingly ridiculous
1395 [14:22:20] <roger21> or what
1396 [14:22:24] <somiaj> so fix the bug, and submit a patch
1397 [14:22:34] <roger21> hmmm
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1399 [14:24:35] <somiaj> I also don't see a bug report for this on the BTS. If no one knows about the bug it is hard to fix it.
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1406 [14:30:46] <notafemalenot13> roger21: They spent over a million dollars (not a joke) making version 4 of "pgAdmin", only to have it load for 60+ seconds to start up, and another 10 seconds every time you clicked on anything in it. Absolute trash. And pgAdmin III is discontinued, only "supported" by a third party who doesn't even fix critical issues and thus it is not maintained at all.
1407 [14:30:54] <notafemalenot13> And that's just scraping the tip of the iceberg.
1408 [14:31:15] <notafemalenot13> roger21: Total indifference and incompetence is the hallmark of every open source project I've ever dealt with.
1409 [14:31:21] <notafemalenot13> Sadly.
1410 [14:31:52] <notafemalenot13> roger21: Last time I went through all the "alternative" clients for PG, phppgadmin hadn't been updated for many years.
1411 [14:32:08] <notafemalenot13> Also, I would never run something web-based for that anyway.
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1414 [14:33:03] <notafemalenot13> Oh, and their mailing list is spamming me constantly and there is no way to unsubscribe. There have been endless mailing list discussion threads about that and nobody ever cared to fix it.
1415 [14:33:16] <notafemalenot13> Hilariously bizarre and unreal.
1416 [14:33:18] <somiaj> notafemalenot13: this is not the medium to rant about stuff.
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1425 [14:34:51] <roger21> sad
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1427 [14:35:08] <OtakuSenpai> wot
1428 [14:35:16] <OtakuSenpai> thts why php sukz
1429 [14:35:18] <roger21> anyway the fix is about removing the -i option in the pg_dump call
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1432 [14:36:00] <OtakuSenpai> php is a old excuse for the quagmire of slowness called the web
1433 [14:36:27] <OtakuSenpai> its just fuckin insane anyone uses php anywmore
1434 [14:36:31] <somiaj> roger21: then fix it, if there is a bug with the debian package, report it, include your fix so others can use it.
1435 [14:36:33] <OtakuSenpai> as much as is with perl
1436 [14:36:48] <ompaul> is it sunday?
1437 [14:36:52] <somiaj> OtakuSenpai: please keep language family friendly, and as I mentioned this really isn't the place to rant about things.
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1441 [14:37:19] <OtakuSenpai> sir yes sir!
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1481 [15:04:17] <notafemalenot13> "rant about things"
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1495 [15:17:12] <deanman> how can i release an IP address on a debian machine with `ip` command ? Can't seem to be able to find a way
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1499 [15:18:49] <somiaj> deanman: what do you mean by release? Do you want to just make this temprarly, or reconfigure the network? Also what tool do you use to configure your network, the /etc/network/interfaces file?
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1501 [15:20:23] <deanman> somiaj, recovered an old esxi based server where i have some old VMs, some of them when they boot they are able to connect properly to the network except one debian based VM which takes an address of the form 192.168.0.x where it should take 192.168.2.x. So I'm guessing i need to release the IP and let it take a new one from DHCP?
1502 [15:21:00] <somiaj> are you sure the machine is confiugred to use dhcp and not some static address? I would first check /etc/network/interfaces -- do you see your interface configured there
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1504 [15:21:27] <somiaj> deanman: and what you are talking about is a dhcp lease, and this is controled by the dhcp client, which is different than ip.
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1508 [15:22:13] <OS-34594> hi
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1510 [15:22:21] <deanman> somiaj, not sure whether the machine is using DHCP or is static configured. How can i check ?
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1512 [15:22:32] <somiaj> deanman: first check the /etc/network/interfaces file
1513 [15:22:36] <deanman> i don't have a `dhclient` installed
1514 [15:23:12] <somiaj> deanman: there is also dhcpcd, but anyways, first figure out how your network is configured.
1515 [15:23:13] <OS-34594> sean got w8888888 but how do i know cred****
1516 [15:23:15] <deanman> yeah i have a static one
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1518 [15:23:33] <somiaj> deanman: just change it inside that file, then run ifdown interface then ifup interface
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1520 [15:23:46] <somiaj> deanman: the ifdown and ifup scripts will use the itnerfaces file to bring your interface up using ip
1521 [15:24:05] <deanman> so leave up to `auto eth0` and comment all the rest ?
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1524 [15:24:50] <somiaj> I would just set a new static ip.
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1528 [15:25:20] <OS-34594> /msg NickSanky REGISTER sanky@420 kakdesanket@gmail.com
1529 [15:25:44] <somiaj> but if you want to use dhcp over a static ip, you'll have to change some more, you'll want to make it 'iface eth0 inet hdcp' and then make sure you have a dhcp client installed
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1531 [15:26:02] <deanman> somiaj, `sudo ifdown` ?
1532 [15:26:09] <somiaj> deanman: yea you'll have to be root
1533 [15:26:29] <somiaj> deanman: all the auto line does is bring the interface up at boot, the other lines actually configure how it works
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1536 [15:26:48] <deanman> somiaj, got it
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1543 [15:29:23] <notafemalenot13> Just hearing the chatter in here makes me exhausted.
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1606 [15:59:38] <algun|home> Is there a way to execute programs with a group privilege, similar how you can execute a program as a different user?
1607 [16:00:01] <algun|home> oh wait, there's sg :D
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1692 [16:44:52] <roger21> gnu time
1693 [16:44:57] <roger21> where
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1700 [16:46:52] <roger21> in time
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1707 [16:52:07] <d3vice> hows debian testing for daily usage these days?
1708 [16:52:50] <gpunk> for me just fine
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1710 [16:53:55] <klaas> google uses debian testing internally d3vice
1711 [16:54:02] <flipper887> What the beat on a potential release date of Bruster
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1713 [16:54:48] <d3vice> thank you for the feedback
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1724 [16:58:06] <roger21> klaas, yeah sure
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1727 [16:58:36] <gpunk> i have a mix of sid/buster/experimental :p
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1731 [16:59:11] <d3vice> upgrading to testing from stretch
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1736 [16:59:46] <gpunk> have you made some backups ?
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1738 [16:59:52] <gpunk> you never know ...
1739 [17:00:01] <gpunk> a disk could giveup
1740 [17:00:02] <d3vice> Murphy
1741 [17:00:15] <gpunk> happend to mle once
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1744 [17:00:35] <gpunk> the early days of SSDs ...
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1756 [17:03:34] <acagastya> What is the root password for live boot?
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1760 [17:06:50] <gpunk> is sudo installed ?
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1763 [17:07:11] <gpunk> you tryed "live" ?
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1768 [17:08:06] <Guest64017> how to disable network-manager at boot, i did update-rc.d remove , but after boot its still automatically started
1769 [17:08:28] <Guest64017> how to diable it on boot, till i manually start it
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1772 [17:08:47] <gpunk> systemctl disable netw... ?
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1781 [17:13:33] <gpunk> set the root password with sudo
1782 [17:13:47] <gpunk> there isnt any
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1817 [17:34:17] <pmart> what is going on with replaced-url
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1823 [17:35:51] <beco> Good day, forks
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1844 [17:53:32] <DiJuMx> Hey all, I'm following a guide to generate a custom EFI live USB. It's asking to install `grub-efi-amd64`, but when I do it wants to remove `grub-pc`. I get the feeling this might break my system if I continue. Can anyone confirm whether it is (not) safe?
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1852 [17:55:10] <asterismo_l> hi
1853 [17:55:24] <asterismo_l> i need help with something
1854 [17:55:49] <mtn> !ask
1855 [17:55:49] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1856 [17:55:50] <asterismo_l> i have a server running debian jessie 32bits and y need to migrate it to 64bits
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1860 [17:56:32] <mtn> asterismo_l: that generally requires a reinstall
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1863 [17:56:55] <asterismo_l> y set up a new server fresh installed one with 64bits and i was hoping that copying /etc and /var folders and maybe some other folders, would be enough
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1867 [17:57:37] <asterismo_l> recreating users and copying folders would be enough?
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1869 [17:58:27] <asterismo_l> i also generated a list of installed packages in the old system and i installed on the new one
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1873 [17:59:45] <asterismo_l> i would need to know where are all files of mysql, postgresql, and so on
1874 [18:00:08] <asterismo_l> mtn, what do you think?
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1876 [18:00:19] <mtn> asterismo_l: I told you what I think ;)
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1920 [18:26:36] <ikus060> Hello, I'm looking for an application like OpenMediaVault that would help me manage a server for file sharing (moslty samba). But I want it to be working in LXC.
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1928 [18:30:20] <SirLagz> ikus060: doesn't OMV work in a container?
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1931 [18:31:20] <ikus060> SirLagz: Nope is doesn't because OMV is working with Block devices.
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1935 [18:32:20] <SirLagz> ikus060: you can allow LXCs to access the host block devices
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1938 [18:32:52] <ikus060> SirLagz: My Block device (hard drive) are already manage with something else...
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1940 [18:33:10] <GNU\colossus> is there a free, end-user friendly tool to backup the data from an Android device available in Debian?
1941 [18:33:22] <GNU\colossus> (I'm looking for something that my mother can deal with)
1942 [18:33:39] <SirLagz> GNU\colossus: do you want to back it up so you can access it from the PC, or just back it up in general?
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1944 [18:34:32] <GNU\colossus> SirLagz, just back up the data (mostly photos) in case the phone gets damaged/stolen
1945 [18:34:34] <SirLagz> ikus060: ok...so why do you want to run OMV in a container then? Why not just run it on the host?
1946 [18:34:39] <dTal> 'cp' is pretty user-friendly
1947 [18:34:39] <SirLagz> GNU\colossus: Google's stuff do that pretty well already
1948 [18:35:06] <SirLagz> ikus060: or why not just run the Samba server on the host?
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1951 [18:36:56] <ikus060> SirLagz: Because we have an hypervisor (proxmox) to manage multiple VMs / containers. We also want a new "server" responsible to file share. For this we want baremetal performance for file access. KVM is not performing well enought for I/O. So we want LXC.
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1956 [18:38:31] <SirLagz> ikus060: well then just run Samba in a container ?
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1959 [18:39:28] <SirLagz> ikus060: not sure why you'd want the overhead of OMV when all you want is Samba
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1983 [18:57:12] <pennTeller> Hi guys can anybody tell me why there where changes done to the "networking" in stretch? such as /etc/networking/interfaces being now pretty much useless?
1984 [18:57:34] <SirLagz> pennTeller: you can still use /etc/network/interfaces if you want
1985 [18:57:49] <pennTeller> pennTeller, but why was the change made? what is the benefit
1986 [18:57:51] <Posterdati> hi
1987 [18:58:16] <pennTeller> SirLagz, but why was the change made? what is the benefit
1988 [18:58:16] <pennTeller> but why was the change made? what is the benefit
1989 [18:58:31] <pennTeller> sorry my stupid client did that
1990 [18:58:38] <SirLagz> pennTeller: I don't know why the change was made. I think it had something to do with there being a network manager by default?
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1993 [18:59:08] <Posterdati> please help, I have an hp laptop (Probook 470 G4) with intel and nvidia graphics, I cannot make it works with amd graphics (3D)
1994 [18:59:13] <pennTeller> SirLagz, I see, just seems to break a lot of stuff that works like magic in the raspberry pi's but I guess, just gotta live with it
1995 [18:59:28] <SirLagz> pennTeller: you can revert back to using /etc/network/interfaces. I do that on my Pis
1996 [18:59:43] <pennTeller> SirLagz, thanks I will look into doing that
1997 [18:59:59] <SirLagz> Posterdati: what AMD graphics? You just said it has intel and nvidia graphics.
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1999 [19:00:17] <Posterdati> please help, I have an hp laptop (Probook 470 G4) with intel and nvidia graphics, I cannot make it works with amd graphics (3D). I'm running Debian 9.3
2000 [19:00:30] <Posterdati> SirLagz: AMD = nvidia too
2001 [19:00:30] <SirLagz> pennTeller: also, questions about Raspbian/Raspberry Pi are better asked on #raspbian or #raspberrypi.
2002 [19:00:59] <pennTeller> SirLagz, my question was more about debian not raspbian, I jsut happened to mention that it messes up things on the pi
2003 [19:01:05] <pennTeller> SirLagz, but thanks
2004 [19:01:46] <SirLagz> pennTeller: my Debian boxes still use /etc/network/interfaces. I think the way Raspbian works is something to do with the default Raspbian config.
2005 [19:02:02] <Posterdati> please help, I have an hp laptop (Probook 470 G4) with intel and nvidia graphics, I cannot make it works with amd graphics (3D). I'm running Debian 9.3 + nouveau Xorg driver
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2007 [19:02:20] <SirLagz> Posterdati: posting it 4 times in quick succession is not likely to get you any more help...
2008 [19:02:22] <annadane> Posterdati, please don't spam questions
2009 [19:02:30] <pennTeller> SirLagz, thank you
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2013 [19:03:30] <SirLagz> Posterdati: and your question still doesn't make any sense when you're mentioning Intel, nVidia, and AMD graphics. Do you mean you want to use the nVidia GPU in your laptop?
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2015 [19:03:49] <Posterdati> SirLagz: yes, for 3D
2016 [19:04:13] <SirLagz> Posterdati: right. have you tried installing Debian's non-free nvidia drivers?
2017 [19:04:14] <Posterdati> glxinfo reports two rederer
2018 [19:04:38] <Posterdati> SirLagz: yes, X does not work with nvidia-driver
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2020 [19:05:26] <annadane> !doesn't work
2021 [19:05:27] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
2022 [19:05:31] <annadane> do you mean it doesn't load...?
2023 [19:05:34] <Posterdati> SirLagz: the nvidia driver installation blacklist nouveau drivers but Xorg does not work
2024 [19:05:40] <SirLagz> Posterdati: replaced-url
2025 [19:05:55] <Phrk_> Can i put two line of execution things in /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/ ? Like iptables-restore < and second line ip6tables restore ?
2026 [19:05:59] <Posterdati> SirLagz: unfortunately yes
2027 [19:06:06] <Phrk_> or do I need to put something like && ?
2028 [19:06:42] <SirLagz> Phrk_: you can put a ; to have 2 commands on one line
2029 [19:06:56] <SirLagz> Phrk_: or && if you only want the second command to run if the first command runs successfully
2030 [19:07:10] <SirLagz> Posterdati: and...? You've tried everything in that document?
2031 [19:07:11] <Posterdati> SirLagz: seems that it cannot switch from one to another graphics
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2033 [19:07:37] <Phrk_> SirLagz, ooookay thx for the info, and if i put 2 commands on two line, they will be launch ?
2034 [19:07:51] <SirLagz> Phrk_: as long as you have ; or &&, yes
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2038 [19:09:11] <Phrk_> and one command per line, i dont have to use ; or &&, SirLagz ?
2039 [19:09:22] <SirLagz> Phrk_: yes
2040 [19:09:31] <Phrk_> cool thanks
2041 [19:09:35] <SirLagz> Phrk_: no probs
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2043 [19:09:55] <annadane> oh you can use ; too?
2044 [19:09:59] <annadane> i always just use &&
2045 [19:10:08] <SirLagz> annadane: yeah, if you don't care if the first command runs successfully or not
2046 [19:10:13] <annadane> ah.
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2048 [19:10:17] <annadane> that's sort of important. :P
2049 [19:10:21] <SirLagz> indeed
2050 [19:10:33] <SirLagz> or you could use || to run a second command if the first command doesn't run successfully
2051 [19:10:52] <annadane> oh, nice
2052 [19:10:53] <annadane> TIL
2053 [19:10:56] <Phrk_> oh it's like every commands return true or false
2054 [19:11:05] <SirLagz> Phrk_: yeah. that's exactly it
2055 [19:11:12] <Posterdati> SirLagz: xrandr lists two providers, but I cannot switch them
2056 [19:11:15] <SirLagz> using ; ignores true or false.
2057 [19:11:26] <SirLagz> Posterdati: You've tried everything in that document?
2058 [19:12:19] <Posterdati> yes, the only difference is that I have sddm instead of lightdm
2059 [19:12:35] <SirLagz> Posterdati: so you've tried to configure your BIOS to disable the Intel GPU?
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2062 [19:13:03] <Posterdati> SirLagz: there's no such thing in hp bios
2063 [19:13:27] <SirLagz> Posterdati: and you've tried specifying a driver + busID in xorg.conf ?
2064 [19:13:44] <Posterdati> yes
2065 [19:14:01] <SirLagz> Posterdati: and what happens when you specify the driver + BusID in xorg.conf with the non-free nvidia drivers?
2066 [19:14:15] <Posterdati> it does not work
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2068 [19:14:26] <SirLagz> !doesn't work
2069 [19:14:26] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
2070 [19:14:34] <Posterdati> Xorg return NV118 not supported
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2074 [19:15:32] <SirLagz> Posterdati: can you install the non-free driver, set up the xorg conf file to specify busID and the nvidia driver, and post up the X.org log?
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2078 [19:16:32] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I already did this with no success...
2079 [19:16:40] <SirLagz> Posterdati: did you post up the x.org log?
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2081 [19:16:55] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I
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2083 [19:17:04] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I'm looking for it
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2085 [19:17:32] <annadane> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2087 [19:18:00] <annadane> so "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log" and put it on paste.debian.net
2088 [19:18:18] <SirLagz> but do that *after* you install the nvidia drivers and set up xorg.conf
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2102 [19:25:19] <tomlukeywood> Is there a debian live CD that is under 700mb? (to fit on a CD ROM)
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2104 [19:25:51] <SirLagz> tomlukeywood: pure debian or any debian based livecd?
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2106 [19:26:15] <tomlukeywood> preferentially normal debian
2107 [19:26:21] <tomlukeywood> preferably*
2108 [19:26:26] <Posterdati> SirLagz: It is compiling the driver!
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2110 [19:26:59] <Posterdati> SirLagz: first time I did it it does not build it via dkms!
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2112 [19:27:20] <annadane> is the live cd really 700 mb? geez
2113 [19:27:24] <SirLagz> Posterdati: I thought you said you had tried it with the non-free nvidia driver...
2114 [19:27:47] <Posterdati> I did apt install nvidia-driver
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2116 [19:28:51] <Posterdati> SirLagz: rebooted, black screen now
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2119 [19:30:18] <SirLagz> Posterdati: did you configure the xorg.conf file?
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2123 [19:32:03] <annadane> you can do it via a virtual terminal
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2128 [19:32:45] <annadane> just control alt f1 and with root privileges 'nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log'
2129 [19:33:41] <tomlukeywood> so are there debian live CDs under 700MB?
2130 [19:34:04] <SirLagz> tomlukeywood: not sure. You could download one and see?
2131 [19:34:13] <SirLagz> tomlukeywood: I had a quick look but they seem to be 'dvd' iamges.
2132 [19:34:15] <SirLagz> images*
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2134 [19:34:57] <Posterdati> SirLagz: replaced-url
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2136 [19:35:35] <Posterdati> SirLagz: should I reroute with xrandr?
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2139 [19:35:45] <SirLagz> Posterdati: paste up your xorg.conf file too
2140 [19:36:07] <tomlukeywood> SirLagz: yeah it seems
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2142 [19:36:08] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I rebooted, wait please! :)
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2154 [19:39:17] <Posterdati> SirLagz: replaced-url
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2157 [19:41:48] <Phrk_> someone know how to install debian on aarch64 ?
2158 [19:41:58] <SirLagz> Posterdati: ok. how about we change Screen0 to use the nvidia card. on line 115 of your xorg.conf file, change Card0 to Card1, and then remove line 4 from the config file, and see what happens?
2159 [19:42:09] <Phrk_> i tried with deboostrap but it seems to crash at boot
2160 [19:42:12] <SirLagz> Posterdati: back up your config file beforehand, just in case too.
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2164 [19:43:10] <jim> Phrk_, what's a aarch64?
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2166 [19:43:18] <Phrk_> arm 64 bits
2167 [19:43:39] <Phrk_> it's an architecture, not x86
2168 [19:43:58] <pie3> ""Como programar en C/C++" of the Deitel brothers," anyone knows any equivalent english book?
2169 [19:44:15] <Posterdati> SirLagz: same
2170 [19:44:39] <Posterdati> SirLagz: black screen with the cursor on home position
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2172 [19:45:02] <SirLagz> Posterdati: post up the xorg.log again
2173 [19:45:13] <Posterdati> ok
2174 [19:45:19] <jim> Phrk_, replaced-url
2175 [19:45:54] <jim> does the arm64 you have, have a usb port? got a usb stick?
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2177 [19:46:32] <Phrk_> jim, yes sdcard (it's espressobin), but it don't have a screen only serial console
2178 [19:47:20] <Posterdati> SirLagz: replaced-url
2179 [19:47:26] <jim> got a serial cable? :)
2180 [19:47:44] <jim> btw, here's a different image... (one sec)
2181 [19:47:52] <Phrk_> jim, yes i have
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2186 [19:49:13] <SirLagz> Posterdati: (WW) NVIDIA(0): Unable to get display device for DPI computation. <-- you may need to set supported screen resolutions manually in xorg.conf
2187 [19:49:28] <jim> hmm, I can't find an arm64 w.firmware
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2189 [19:49:33] <Posterdati> SirLagz: like what?
2190 [19:49:47] <Posterdati> 1920x1080?
2191 [19:50:03] <Phrk_> jim, firmware ?
2192 [19:50:08] <SirLagz> Posterdati: I don't know the specs of your laptop.
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2194 [19:50:37] <jim> Phrk_, for things like wireless cards, in case you have one
2195 [19:50:38] <Posterdati> SirLagz: it is a true full HD so modes "1920x1080"
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2197 [19:50:52] <Phrk_> jim, i don't
2198 [19:50:58] <Phrk_> i use cable
2199 [19:51:06] <jim> but maybe you don't need the firmware one
2200 [19:51:17] <Posterdati> SirLagz: not working
2201 [19:51:17] <SirLagz> Posterdati: ok, so set up the screen resolutions, then see how you go.
2202 [19:51:25] <SirLagz> Posterdati: did you set them up in xorg.conf?
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2205 [19:51:44] <jim> Phrk_, you mean an ethernet cable?
2206 [19:51:47] <Posterdati> SirLagz: yes
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2209 [19:52:05] <SirLagz> Posterdati: rebooted?
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2211 [19:52:13] <Phrk_> jim, of course
2212 [19:52:31] <Posterdati> SirLagz: no restarted sddm
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2214 [19:52:39] <jim> ok.. see if that image boots from the usb stick
2215 [19:52:49] <SirLagz> Posterdati: ok, post up the new xorg.log
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2218 [19:53:49] <Phrk_> jim, ben how can i say to the iso output to ttySerialConsole ?
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2221 [19:54:17] <Posterdati> SirLagz: replaced-url
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2224 [19:54:32] <Posterdati> SirLagz: no way
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2229 [19:55:46] <jim> Phrk_, in expert mode, there might be an installer component that can use the serial port... also, there -is- a component that performs the install over the net using ssh (also available in expert mode)
2230 [19:56:05] <SirLagz> Posterdati: and post up your xorg.conf too...and what do you mean 'no way' ?
2231 [19:56:21] <Posterdati> SirLagz: it does not work!
2232 [19:56:22] <Phrk_> jim, and how do you go in expert mode when you don't hae a screen ?
2233 [19:56:51] <SirLagz> Posterdati: right. Post up your xorg.conf file.
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2241 [19:59:49] <Posterdati> SirLagz: replaced-url
2242 [20:00:46] <kinta> automounting usb drive clicking on nautilus, it automounts it as root... :(
2243 [20:00:48] <SirLagz> Posterdati: you put the resolution on the wrong screen.
2244 [20:01:01] <SirLagz> Posterdati: just remove that second S
2245 [20:01:07] <SirLagz> Posterdati: just remove that second Screen section
2246 [20:01:12] <Posterdati> ok
2247 [20:01:23] <kinta> can i fix it without using chown?
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2251 [20:02:56] <Posterdati> SirLagz: removed but does not work either
2252 [20:03:06] <SirLagz> Posterdati: log file plz
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2261 [20:06:23] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I'm returning to vesa mode
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2263 [20:07:33] <Posterdati> that's why I would not buy damned intel cpu fucking crap
2264 [20:07:34] <random_auroras> Is something happening with security.debian.org? I've been having connection problems since the last few days.
2265 [20:08:14] <annadane> random_auroras, perhaps try asking in #debian-replaced-url
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2268 [20:08:36] <random_auroras> annadane: I will.
2269 [20:08:53] <annadane> i know that some parts of the webpage have been not working because their boxes are updating to stretch
2270 [20:10:24] <random_auroras> Ah, that might be it? I've been having success with apt once every 3-4 tries.
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2272 [20:11:02] <annadane> oh, you mean the repository? hmm... maybe change mirrors then
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2274 [20:11:52] <random_auroras> Are there security mirrors?
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2277 [20:12:39] <annadane> let me check
2278 [20:13:03] <annadane> ah yeah, maybe not, sorry
2279 [20:13:24] <random_auroras> At least it wasn't a perception-roll I failed.
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2281 [20:13:30] <annadane> but yeah i think even for that question #debian-replaced-url
2282 [20:13:55] <random_auroras> Alright. Thanks for the help all the same.
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2289 [20:16:39] <baloona1> ~~~~~~~~
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2370 [20:53:18] <Posterdati> SirLagz: now the hp site report this laptop as fully compatible with linux
2371 [20:54:08] <annadane> they probably mean "ubuntu"...
2372 [20:54:18] <annadane> /cynical
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2378 [21:02:49] <Posterdati> annadane: anyway I never bough an intel pc, this is the first and last I hope
2379 [21:03:05] <Posterdati> annadane: they always build crapware
2380 [21:03:14] <SSD-newbie> hi, i am about to install Debian 9 on an Aspire E5-576G laptop but i am a bit worried about the installation. The laptop has 8GB RAM and a 256GB SSD drive. I have not found any newbie friendly tutorial about installing Debian 9 on such a laptop. I am reading replaced-url
2381 [21:03:14] <SSD-newbie> a swap partition anyway? Do I have a follow a special partitioning scheme? I have a 256GB SSD drive, during the Debian 9 installation do i need to leave (unpartitioned) free space on the SSD, how much?
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2383 [21:06:08] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: for any newer ssd (not first few generations) drive, you don't have to worry about much, the debian kernel should work just fine with it.
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2385 [21:06:34] <somiaj> You may not need swap with 8gigs of ram, but for the most part you shoudl be able to treat the drive as a regular dirve with now issues
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2387 [21:06:55] <soul-d> also you can add swap afther as a file
2388 [21:07:59] <SSD-newbie> soul-d, do i need to leave (unpartitioned) free space on the 256 GB SSD ? How much?
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2392 [21:09:01] <soul-d> not really but that is your desicion i would keep usr home smaller and have seperate partition for important stuff that is movable to new system
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2394 [21:10:40] <soul-d> don't make the / to small
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2396 [21:11:24] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: the drive already comes with extra space, again just treat it like a regular drive. On modern ssd hardware there is little drawback to that
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2398 [21:11:52] <edju> When I run update, after the "Hits" stuff, the process hangs with the following: "100% [Connecting to security.debian.org (2607:ea00:101:3c0b::1deb:215)] 14.2 MB/s 0s^" It just sits there. I then have to ctrl c out and try again. After a two or three repeats, all is well. Any insights appreciated.
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2401 [21:12:19] <SSD-newbie> i intend to create only two partitions / and /home is that OK? how big should / be?
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2403 [21:12:42] <soul-d> i would advice against that if you want to download stuff
2404 [21:12:54] <soul-d> always add an extra partition for stuff that you want to keep
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2406 [21:13:02] <soul-d> so if you reformat you only need to mount it
2407 [21:13:04] <de-facto> SSD-newbie, i would go for ext4 with "discard" and "noatime" or "relatime" mount options to let the kernel send TRIM commands to SSD for free sectors and not wear out the SSD too much by access times
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2409 [21:13:45] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: how big / needs to be depends totally on your ussage.
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2412 [21:14:14] <SSD-newbie> soul-d, are you saying that i need to create a /usr partition?
2413 [21:14:23] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: the newbie suggestion in linux is use a single partition unless you know how to split things up for your ussage. I personally use 30G for /, but I also don't run a full de enviorment.
2414 [21:14:25] <annadane> edju, someone had this problem also
2415 [21:14:33] <annadane> not that that's much help, not sure what the solution is
2416 [21:14:35] <soul-d> no just add a partition to /home/usr/downloads or something
2417 [21:14:53] <annadane> that someone else posted in #debian-replaced-url
2418 [21:14:56] <SSD-newbie> somiaj, i intend to have MATE as my desktop environment
2419 [21:15:02] <annadane> probably nothing you can do, it's on their end
2420 [21:15:05] <de-facto> SSD-newbie, when the SSD firmware knows about which sectors are unused by the filesystem again it can distribute writes more evenly across those free sectors and avoid local wearout to a specific address as much as possible
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2422 [21:15:59] <soul-d> yeah i also had debian security hang a coulple nights back just retry different time its on the server end
2423 [21:16:25] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: still there are lots of variables, just using it all as one partition might be worth while if you are unsure, or if you think you have extra space, 50gigs should be more than enough.
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2426 [21:17:42] <SSD-newbie> de-facto, are the "discard" and "noatime" or "relatime" mount options available during the partitioning stage of the installation of Debian 9?
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2428 [21:19:20] <de-facto> SSD-newbie, previously one would to make sure the fs structure was aligned properly to the SSD sectors, but i guess nowerdays the installer does it correctly out of the box (something like first MegaByte free then first primary partition and so on)
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2430 [21:19:37] <de-facto> SSD-newbie, not sure, but you always can add them later in /etc/fstab
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2439 [21:22:03] <SSD-newbie> somiaj, if you do not run a full de enviorment why do you use 30 GB for / ? A 30 GB / partition is too big, when you have a separate /home partition, is it not?
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2446 [21:24:56] <soul-d> 30 is fine with seperate home any lower is gonna cut it if you do not have to much expierence and don't want to end up with having to manage diskspace out of nowhere
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2451 [21:26:29] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: lots of stuff gets put in home, I personally like to keep a copy of every .deb I download, that is in /var, I install local programing language stuff that goes in /var or /opt. Sure I could put everything in /home, or set up links, but there are various reasons to have data elsewhere.
2452 [21:26:57] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: hence is why I say it totall depends on use case. You don't want /var/cache/apt/archives to fill up when downloading and installing software for isntance.
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2456 [21:28:05] <somiaj> SSD-newbie: I'm only using about 17G of my / right now, so 30G maybe fine, but you do have to keep an eye if things start to fill up. Hence why the 'newbie' suggestion is a single partition.
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2468 [21:36:57] <SSD-newbie> The SDD size is 256 GB. will it be ok to create a 20 GB / and a 170 GB /home and leave the rest of the space as free (unpartitioned)? I have Debian 9 installed on another laptop which sports a mechanical SATA HDD. My / is just 12 GB and only 53% is currently used. I never had the problem of var filling up my / partition.
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2474 [21:39:52] <Ascavasaion> If I wanted to install lxde on Debian box with no X Windows yet... would a sudo apt-get install lxde* install the whole X-Windows and lxde desktop manager?
2475 [21:39:59] <bzed> SSD-newbie: better use LVM so you can easily add space to partitions where needed. /boot as partition, / and /home as logical volume
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2480 [21:42:51] <SSD-newbie> bzed, do i need a /boot partition if i use an SSD drive?
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2482 [21:43:47] <Ascavasaion> Or would sudo apt-get install lxsession do that for me?
2483 [21:43:59] <well_laid_lawn> Ascavasaion: yes - X should be a dependancy
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2485 [21:44:29] <Ascavasaion> well_laid_lawn: For which, lxde or lxsession?
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2487 [21:44:39] <well_laid_lawn> either afaik
2488 [21:44:49] <well_laid_lawn> try it and see
2489 [21:45:01] <donofrio> anyone here using a usermode android debian apk called "debian - noroot" do to daily things?
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2491 [21:45:20] <SSD-newbie> as i mentioned before, i have another laptop which has a mechanical HDD and have 3 partitions: / /home and swap
2492 [21:45:42] <nix64bit> is there a way to install debian on a samsung j3?
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2495 [21:46:09] <Ascavasaion> thank you well_laid_lawn
2496 [21:46:09] <donofrio> nix64bit, I debian noroot that feels like a usermode chrooted rintime space
2497 [21:46:14] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
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2500 [21:46:50] <Tramp> Ascavasaion: you can check with "apt depends <package>"
2501 [21:46:55] <nix64bit> donofrio: phone has got really slower with each update
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2503 [21:47:16] <donofrio> hu unrelated (unless your running noroot already?
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2507 [21:48:33] <nix64bit> if i wanted to cross compile what do i need to keep on the phone? google libs?
2508 [21:48:51] <nix64bit> sorry went a bit of topic
2509 [21:48:56] <SSD-newbie> hi, i am about to install Debian 9 on an Aspire E5-576G laptop which comes with Windows 10. Debian will be my only operating system. Do I have to perform a UEFI installation or a Legacy one?
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2511 [21:49:34] <donofrio> SSD-newbie, try WSL it rocks
2512 [21:49:44] <dvs> SSD-newbie, judging by your nick, you'll need an UEFI one
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2515 [21:50:09] <nix64bit> WSL?
2516 [21:50:32] <SSD-newbie> dvs, why?
2517 [21:50:35] <Ascavasaion> Thank you Tramp
2518 [21:50:40] <donofrio> nix64bit, tinyurl.com/donofrioworkdesk
2519 [21:50:48] <dvs> SSD-newbie, I'm guessing it has an SSD
2520 [21:51:02] <Tramp> Ascavasaion: welcome
2521 [21:51:14] <donofrio> Windows Subsystem for linux (now mind you I use Ubuntu but I've read steps on getting debian on it)
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2523 [21:52:35] <nix64bit> nice
2524 [21:53:02] <donofrio> I mean sure I use w10 as a 15gb bootloader but it works
2525 [21:53:14] <nix64bit> personally would like to remove anything to do with ms
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2527 [21:53:37] <nix64bit> but they have infected/destroyed the bios
2528 [21:53:46] <donofrio> that writeup was for business, because it runs on windows that can be enforced by NAC and the like
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2530 [21:54:19] <donofrio> there currently is no Airwatch (MDM Agent) for debain unless I'm mistaken?
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2533 [21:54:46] <donofrio> (a vmware product for wired and wireless network access control)
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2535 [21:55:00] <|subz3r0|> hi folks
2536 [21:55:10] <SSD-newbie> dvs, my Aspire E5-576G laptop has indeed an SSD as the only storage device. But why would i need to perform a UEFI installation?
2537 [21:55:13] <|subz3r0|> can anyone tell me which is the prefered display manager for mate DE?
2538 [21:55:51] <|subz3r0|> SSD-newbie: there are no real benefits with UEFI install. skip it if you dont need the awesome features and your UEFI comes with legacy support
2539 [21:56:21] <SSD-newbie> The Aspire E5-576G laptop comes with Windows 10 BUT i will erase Windows 10 and Debian will be my *only* operating system. I will NOT dual boot
2540 [21:56:24] <dvs> SSD-newbie, If it's an NVMe device, it has to be a UEFI install
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2542 [21:57:24] <nix64bit> what is the deal with UEFI, do other os have to pay licensing fees to ms?
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2544 [21:57:32] <donofrio> nix64bit, I'm chatting right now though ubuntu install on imac using remmina and openconect to vpn into work then rdp into my workstation windows 10 corp 64 bit build and the though ubuntu 17.04 with xfce4 in hexchat ;)
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2546 [21:58:04] <donofrio> nix64bit, I though UEFI was a intel thing?
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2548 [21:58:16] <nix64bit> yes and no
2549 [21:58:23] <nix64bit> i am not sure
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2552 [21:59:06] <nix64bit> its a bit diabolical that only one os gets to be installed by default
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2554 [21:59:36] <donofrio> that is why I use WSL sure it's usermode but for now and last 9 months it's been a great ride
2555 [21:59:48] <dvs> nix64bit, not really. The diabolical part is that only one OS can be REinstalled if needed.
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2561 [22:01:11] <nix64bit> I wasted a day getting debian to run on a win8 gigabyte box
2562 [22:01:23] <nix64bit> thats not really subtle
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2565 [22:02:06] <donofrio> nix64bit, went from win7 to win10 so yah......
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2567 [22:02:54] <SSD-newbie> dvs, NVMe device? how can i find out?
2568 [22:03:06] <nix64bit> so i end up paying for a useless os that also prevents me from installing what i want on the hardware I bought?
2569 [22:03:14] <nix64bit> how is that ok?
2570 [22:03:44] <nix64bit> no thanks
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2573 [22:04:01] <donofrio> nix64bit, last day for free win10 upgrade
2574 [22:04:04] <donofrio> fwiw
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2576 [22:04:55] <dvs> SSD-newbie, I'm not sure how besides opening it up.
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2578 [22:05:39] <SSD-newbie> there must be command to find that out!
2579 [22:05:51] <donofrio> dmesg?
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2584 [22:07:21] <SSD-newbie> I am running a Debian 9 LIVE DVD on the Acer Aspire E5-576G laptop which has an SSD drive. What command do i have to issue to get info on the SDD drive?
2585 [22:07:40] <donofrio> dmesg
2586 [22:08:02] <dvs> lspci?
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2589 [22:09:51] <SSD-newbie> lspci: command not found
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2593 [22:11:30] <SSD-newbie> dmesg does not tell me whether I have an NVMe device or not
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2599 [22:14:02] <nix64bit> SSD-newbie: want drive info?
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2602 [22:14:16] <SSD-newbie> nix64bit, yes
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2607 [22:15:43] <nix64bit> smartctl -a /dev/sdX
2608 [22:15:49] <nix64bit> from smartmon
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2610 [22:16:32] <bravvve22> hi after getting this replaced-url
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2612 [22:17:17] <SSD-newbie> smartctl : command not found
2613 [22:17:35] <nix64bit> you need to install it
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2615 [22:18:15] <dvs> smartmontools
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2622 [22:20:09] <nix64bit> 12:44:25 - Night-Shade: sudo apt-get install smartmontools
2623 [22:20:09] <nix64bit> 12:46:09 - Night-Shade: from smartctl -a /dev/sdX
2624 [22:20:20] <RoyK> SSD-newbie: lshw, lsblk etc
2625 [22:20:39] <RoyK> or smartctl -x /dev/sdX to get it all
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2627 [22:21:10] <jelly> bravvve22, restart rsyslog
2628 [22:21:11] <SSD-newbie> Debian has not been installed yet. The only OS installed at present is Windows 10 but I am currently running a Debian 9 Live DVD
2629 [22:21:29] <jelly> bravvve22, or at least tell it to reopen log files
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2631 [22:21:35] <RoyK> SSD-newbie: you can install packages on a live thing
2632 [22:21:52] <RoyK> SSD-newbie: that is, better use an usb thing instead of a dvd
2633 [22:21:58] <dvs> or start gparted
2634 [22:22:02] <RoyK> optical media went out of style some years back
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2636 [22:22:49] <jelly> bravvve22, amd maybe find the source of that spam and stop the user or program from spamming further
2637 [22:23:05] <dvs> RoyK, speak for yourself!!! ;-)
2638 [22:23:19] <jelly> yeah, we all use tapes now.
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2640 [22:23:46] <SSD-newbie> replaced-url
2641 [22:24:06] <dvs> NVMe
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2643 [22:24:10] <dvs> there you go
2644 [22:24:15] <dvs> UEFI install
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2651 [22:27:06] <nix64bit> dont knock tapes
2652 [22:27:25] <nix64bit> they actually work ok
2653 [22:28:37] <RoyK> dselect: eh?
2654 [22:28:37] <dselect> 'eh' is synonymous with the american derivative 'huh', but unlike 'huh', 'eh' can be used without making one sound like a freaking idiot. . Western Sahara
2655 [22:28:39] <nix64bit> sometimes
2656 [22:28:51] <RoyK> dvs: eh?
2657 [22:29:20] <dvs> RoyK, optical coaster will never go out of style!!
2658 [22:29:48] <nix64bit> usb coffee mug warmer
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2661 [22:31:48] <nix64bit> SSD-newbie: did you read the drive?
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2668 [22:37:14] <Posterdati> SirLagz: fixed! Not in the way I liked, but acceptable
2669 [22:37:26] <SirLagz> Posterdati: what'd you do?
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2678 [22:40:52] <Posterdati> SirLagz: installed bumblebee-nvidia not bumblebee only
2679 [22:41:03] <SirLagz> cool. good to know.
2680 [22:41:29] <Posterdati> SirLagz: this particular system works only with bumblebee crap, because it is an intel crapware
2681 [22:42:13] <Posterdati> SirLagz: if you want to play torcs or oolite you have to optirun them (CRAP CRAP CRAP)
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2685 [22:43:24] <SirLagz> well I don't have any laptops good enough to game on so not an issue for me lol
2686 [22:43:29] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I always do not buy intel crapware because they do not support linux! But AMD did not build mobile CPU no more!
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2693 [22:45:46] <Posterdati> SirLagz: I always bought AMD cpus and got not so big issues at all
2694 [22:46:45] <Posterdati> SirLagz: anyway thanks for your support
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2696 [22:49:23] <SirLagz> Posterdati: no problems
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2708 [22:57:43] <Arahael> Intel is "crapware"? Intel is known to make very good hardware, in general.
2709 [22:58:00] <ppssxx> hey lets drink a glass of gasoline for the new year :D
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2711 [22:58:02] <Arahael> And their integrated video cards are also known to work especially well with linux.
2712 [22:58:12] <Arahael> ppssxx: Is that like bad vodka?
2713 [22:58:32] <ppssxx> its like gipsy liquor
2714 [22:59:12] <ppssxx> i know that airplane fuel can be inhaled from a bag to get screwed up
2715 [22:59:29] <Arahael> It _would_ have that effect.
2716 [22:59:33] <Arahael> Anyway. Offtopic.
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2722 [23:01:41] <Posterdati> Arahael: not cpus
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2724 [23:02:27] <Arahael> Posterdati: Hmm, well, I like intel's graphics (though Intel seems to have stopped progressing those these past few years...), and their NIC's are good, too.
2725 [23:03:09] <Posterdati> Arahael: NICs are good, especially gigabits
2726 [23:03:23] <Arahael> It's a pity they left the motherborad business, they could've done some very elegant power management stuff.
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2729 [23:03:50] <dx486> hi guys! I am a newbie and I want to setup android development environment on my debian 9 system. I want to do it per "debian-way", if possible using only debian packages. I installed "android-sdk android-sdk-platform-23 git libgradle-android-plugin-java" but I don't know what to do next. should I install android studio or what should I do now?
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2731 [23:04:07] <Posterdati> Arahael: but mobos are terrible, the cpus they sold twice their real value
2732 [23:04:14] <lucas-arg> hey guys, need help, i want to install nvidia 384 drivers in stretch and in backports they have 375 still... is there any repo to take?
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2738 [23:06:08] <Arahael> Posterdati: Perhaps AMD will resolve that issue. A bit of good competition is great for everyone.
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2741 [23:06:39] <Posterdati> Arahael: and frankly I do not understand the fact to have two graphics card on a PC (don't tell me about power consumption and performance)
2742 [23:07:00] <Arahael> Posterdati: Ah right... Well... I would personally use *only* the intel onboard graphics if I have a choice. :)
2743 [23:07:25] <Arahael> Posterdati: I'm not a gamer. I do agree that having two graphics cards for the *same monitor* is unneccessarily complicated.
2744 [23:07:35] <Posterdati> Arahael: a question of confidence with certain product, I understand that...
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2746 [23:08:21] <Arahael> Perhaps. But consider... Apparently a number of people like using NVidia graphics not for the graphics per se... But for CUDA and other work
2747 [23:08:21] <Posterdati> Arahael: it is very stupid... I did not understand that this laptop is with optimus, I would never bought that
2748 [23:08:57] <Arahael> Yeah, people seem to like complex solutions these days.
2749 [23:09:12] <Ascavasaion> I have a Debian distro which only has a root account. I created a user that can sudo. I then tried to ssh in from another computer using the new user but it refuses to accept my credentials. I checked /var/log/auth.log and say this, "
2750 [23:09:13] <Ascavasaion> because none of user's groups are listed in allowgroups". I have done an AllowUser root username and an AllowGroups ssh as I saw online, followed by a service sshd restart, but still nothing. any advice on creating a user with sudoer and ssh please?
2751 [23:09:13] <Posterdati> Arahael: I mean is a stupid thing to have two things to perform one
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2753 [23:09:47] <Arahael> Posterdati: They have their reasons, but I do agree it's an unneccessary complication.
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2756 [23:10:27] <Posterdati> Arahael: one video board is crap and the other is like a Ferrari, but you have to deal with the crap to use the Ferrari... This is madness
2757 [23:10:59] <Posterdati> Arahael: I blame a bit the linux developer too, such hardware should be banned
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2760 [23:12:15] <Posterdati> Arahael: now I will never let my customers buy such a thing!
2761 [23:12:34] <Arahael> Posterdati: Good luck with that.
2762 [23:12:59] <Posterdati> Arahael: lol, thanks!
2763 [23:13:21] <Posterdati> Arahael: would you like to buy a car with two engines? :) :) ehehe
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2766 [23:13:41] <Posterdati> Arahael: someone bought hybrid!!!! LOL
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2769 [23:15:22] <Arahael> Posterdati: I have a friend who has *fantastic* mileage with his hybrid car.
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2772 [23:15:38] <Arahael> Posterdati: They are particularly good in stop-start traffic.
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2778 [23:17:54] <jimbzy> I drove my brother's Prius for a bit and it was awesome.
2779 [23:19:04] <jimbzy> 56mpg on the highway.
2780 [23:19:12] <Posterdati> Arahael: lol
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2783 [23:20:14] <Posterdati> Arahael: I am for fully electric car
2784 [23:20:28] <Posterdati> Arahael: or full gasoline
2785 [23:20:38] <LtL> ++
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2789 [23:22:47] <SSD-newbie> dvs, before I boot off Debian 9 LIVE DVD on the Acer Aspire E5-576G laptop which has an SSD drive i dsiabled secure boot and uefi, i chose Legacy. I will reboot and change the bios settings to UEFI
2790 [23:22:51] <Arahael> Hmm, I'd probably like a fully electric car in the future, but not yet. Chargin gthem are a problem, here.
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2793 [23:24:26] <jimbzy> What's wrong with hybrids? You get the best of both worlds.
2794 [23:24:29] <Posterdati> Arahael: batteries too... There's no such a technology to let electric cars to be valuable like a petrol one
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2797 [23:26:11] <Posterdati> jimbzy: what? You have the worst of both worlds to make engines fit in a car body
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2804 [23:29:13] <jimbzy> We have like 100 years of experience making engines fit in a car body. Front, mid, and rear.
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2810 [23:33:50] <Arahael> Posterdati: Hybrids don't need to be full-electric. The battery demands are considerably reduced.
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2813 [23:34:15] <Arahael> In effect, hybrids mainly focus on energy harvesting, which works because cars are _heavy_.
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