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2[00:00:34] <lucas-arg> do we have any gpu tool to check performance in the repos?
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53[00:23:02] <rant> lucas-arg: performance? you mean like transfer speed?
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55[00:23:19] <rant> lucas-arg: iirc there was apt-spy that did precicely that
56[00:23:32] <rant> ,info apt-spy
57[00:23:33] <judd> No package named 'apt-spy' was found in stretch/amd64.
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59[00:23:45] <lucas-arg> like unigeni
60[00:23:52] <lucas-arg> or something like that
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63[00:24:17] <rant> nfc what a unigeni is
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65[00:24:58] <rant> but we had apt-spy for checking mirror speeds and selecting a fast one, but apparently in had a bug and was removed in jessie and it would appear hasnt been resolved
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67[00:25:25] <rant> !apt-spy
68[00:25:25] <dpkg> The apt-spy utility can automatically create a list of APT data sources to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/apt-spy.list, based on bandwidth tests. Not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release due to bug #779468. See also <sources.list>.
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95[00:46:09] <mnuhmnuh> last i heard, apt-spy was considered evil. uncivilized. networking types?
96[00:47:16] <rant> must be why I liked it.. I'm a savage
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99[00:48:05] <somiaj> in many cases deb.debian.org will pick a good mirror
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104[00:49:39] <mnuhmnuh> somiaj: what's the algo used to determine "good mirror"? :-)
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108[00:50:17] <somiaj> mostly geoip I belive, but it also knows info about health of mirrors when rediercting.
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111[00:50:42] <somiaj> you could find faster mirrors, but in many cases it should find a good one
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114[00:51:43] <lucas-arg> found something in order steam to work in my desktop with nvidia drivers, after i installed nvidia-driver and steam:i386 i had to install libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx both with :i386 and not libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 as it says in the wiki
115[00:51:47] <mnuhmnuh> i worry about using when students crunching homework assignments might need 'em.
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117[00:52:32] <lucas-arg> and guess what, its working really good...
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240[02:16:38] <numbdewd> *tumbleweed*
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285[02:45:06] <zhoujingrui> hi
286[02:46:55] <numbdewd> Yes. Hello. How do you do?
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288[02:47:57] <zhoujingrui> seaching web
289[02:48:02] <zhoujingrui> and you
290[02:48:24] <numbdewd> Yeah, searching as well.
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292[02:49:11] <numbdewd> Lookie what I've found: replaced-url
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295[02:54:00] <zhoujingrui> i canot join 2600
296[02:54:16] <numbdewd> Me neither. Aging sucks, huh. I know ...
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305[02:59:21] <random> hello
306[02:59:27] <random> what is 2600?
307[03:02:08] <jim> it's a number greater than pi?
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310[03:03:15] <jim> curious, what has you curious about that particular number?
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314[03:06:02] <jim> I see it was mentioned a few minutes ago
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339[03:11:15] <nypkiut> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: JohnDoh vutral guideline Allanis AntiSpamMeta xPucTu4 baum Johann likcoras disi brick Tulah NotInTheMood eldebrim1 snadge ibex NeoBlaster clopez DustyDin1o harald_bl_g Linlz ageis Croepha nshp musalbas cadeskywalker nyuszika7h nickdastain pierrot stoilkov ANIM4_ GrimKriegor Dr-Shadow bureado magyar Ishaq zymurgy elkmoose AciD` gcore___ Scuttle HeXiLeD skney gigetoo television simonlnu sekjun9878 melvin quite yuastnav bpsecret cmam Guest38
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345[03:11:16] <kimber> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: overlord_tm gartral bitch Logg debchange smurfd PhonicUK SQL gvvg__ holden- ToToL Hydroxide pelegreno ron-slc tnewman strass ohithere meminemy abff Comstock Downer drale2k Dojka Marlon delYsid nadley Sciuro IdleGandalf reu tolecnal mgdelacroix toruvinn cerenous hipodils1i disi nighty-- kus_ random Zharf azizLIGHT tboston darkalia churnd AxForest xingu Namarrgon grim4593 n0nada eatme2wize rupam123456 Trel mk_modrzew_ fs
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353[03:11:16] <desert`ea> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
354[03:11:16] <desert`ea> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
355[03:11:16] <desert`ea> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
356[03:11:16] <desert`ea> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
357[03:11:16] <desert`ea> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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359[03:11:16] <kuz> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: Hobby_boy goberle FoolishOwl jsdk ngc0202 webmind Marlon random Nitori hipodils1i boxrick Schmiel Schwarzbaer martyn_h JelmerD elik wytchmaster yokel yonder drale2k MeanEYE leochill1 Anarchic CeBe darkalia db` heinrich5991 Felix2 NeoBlaster GenteelBen cherti lchlan mniip A|TARIS bradjones LambdaComplex tonyoy tarzeau_ berndj Dojka loddfafnir nagarkot Malinux blind CutMeOwnThroat rachelfish shabius Mikail __hramrach oddtodd12 Willis CyberJacob be
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361[03:11:17] <t3rmin> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: masber tbsaunde teej nadersith e1z0 zhangj__ NoCode Deflate Aix_ _rudi_s p0rt krzych evilbug grinsekatze rafalcpp bpsecret XSoul swaechter fr0tzed craigp dos1 Carno NightKhaos MyIgel leibniz kaosine adellam duckydan melvin NeoBlaster rogst LeandroLuiz bier blue_ BrainDommage quasisane ski7777 tabakhase nomic flyingkiwi superkulak k-man Dan_au Robby oliva sasukeskapa jimm colo-work pppktz raidsec frazr reu denken JCaesar tabris vvande b0l3
362[03:11:17] <lovepara> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: pacbard ca_buf rhizome CowboyNeal television Bercik Westcliff toozej kuz Hoosilon r00tobo anonnumberanon kopper himuraken_ master_of_master riskox piklu ryke tsia kanzure beardface shtirlic adid volodim JohnDoh avantgardist ikonia systemdave Gabemo futex sethkush talin _NiC RyanKnack webuser5- mdk ericnoan thekingofbandit hayer mooky Dan_au Obi-Wan Quick_Wango Danielss89 cadillac_ Netwolf clickjack preaction sepro
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369[03:11:17] <ladyl> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: dudz_ crayon MoDaX AntiSpamMeta Anarchic pinnen Cork master_of_master joeyy Dragon092 daxkuq[m] nezZario JC_SoCal webmind F14W3D JelmerD LifeFrame pcdummy samouy daemon James_T dysfigured tbsaunde etp n-st cdown oberstein CeBe grossing_ aielima leochill1 kever vivid soahccc natr0x debchange d-fence jannic choon peterS aindilis oliva sndb systemdave debhelper nugg3t_ cadeskywalker AlexZ_ teej kInOzAwA ikonia denken s0
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373[03:11:17] <mallor> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: nypkiut cronic quasisane slax0r avoid Relicka sander85 rOss^64 [Brain] dxrt olegfusion webuser5- SporkWitch Mahe CowboyNeal hikiko p0rt melvin Eryn_1983_FL Infra_3600 wjtaylor__ Jguy dza Zardoz Letze_ hicks_ tensorpudding BbT0n brwoods N3X15 insidious nekomata xaero LaunchDirector elliot007 baba_ nezZario k_sze[work] sethkush jordanm llimeht Orphis PhilSliderS Andocromn valerius disi judd hiroki eplanet ksk Slumlord_ weinholt internot ron-s
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376[03:11:17] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
377[03:11:17] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
378[03:11:17] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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381[03:11:18] <kiil> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
382[03:11:18] <kiil> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
383[03:11:18] <kiil> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
384[03:11:18] <kiil> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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390[03:11:18] <T34FLy> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: argusbr Orphis flugger jimm Asoka phaseNi Phibonacci otih beaky wjtaylor__ terr1 seebyr Incepti0n Ralin3 Acrisor metax Sauvin damiano k1ltzman iwkse mirko introom bionix zhoujingrui jasabelle HeXiLeD T_Karras benasse Texou som gm152 eplanet nix64bit tekk dwar_ avoid rancyd TimWolla lsv_ s7r fred`` Dagger clopez mnuhmnuh leochill1 Kobaz HotSwap debsan lukky513 _NiC himuraken_ Scotteh Cisien v4s mibo michaelni croddy R
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398[03:11:18] <T34FLy> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: Netwolf MrGeneral ikonia jobewankenobi tarzeau_ JackFrost ron-slc yagi hyund simp iCherry brick tbsaunde Druid paladox jadesoturi hays baum monte nurupo t3rmin mreznik seyeongkim eatme2wize samtunez Aristide bionix fcharton sandroandrade argusbr sweatsuit znf dohfish Graypup_ nutron gareth__ DrDaemonEye ski Keridos ebarch psycodad nku acperkins etp_ insidious Nazara JC_SoCal dos1 torrezno2 kever internat e1z0 Probabl
399[03:11:18] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
400[03:11:19] <extraordi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: dysfigured kaosine Druid Dagger Mathisen seprob_ LeandroLuiz Andocromn ripazha mypapit SQL mnuhmnuh bureado Profound tw deetwelve jordanm nebul8 Linlz poopnfrsh iter DerLGm digitalnomad91 Bombo Stummi mundus dondelelcaro heinrich5991 WARBIRD199 bogus- borsin Graypup_ jasabelle Hydroxide unixbassen Louis xaero tharkun Attoy Voldenet netzach nshp corretico codebam_ OS-34115 roshanavand blackwell shahri beaver_xmas Halcy0n makz m33
401[03:11:19] <mallor> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: brick TuxShells futex V-Vega vialatt wonderworld CrazyEddy flugger eir ehlodex_ ptx0 ghost43 PhilSliderS creichen Anarchic thoros Noldorin LambdaComplex tobiasBora Incepti0n scc max-m ikevin regedit T34FLy Letze_ topi` Piggy karstensrage preaction SporkWitch Pwnna Voldenet integral lsv_ strungout tiwake hex2a fcharton zhoujingrui spacerabbit Mysterytrain eatme2wize brouette keith4 phogg ApolloJustice hi marienz madonius moss ws Zorroness sh
402[03:11:19] <extraordi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: cyberzeus rogst Mercury_Vapor alfa dza Netwolf ceptor |subz3r0| volter ozzloy_ cvr guideline Junaos t0aster0ven rachelfish Ad1Tech Groenleer snkcld kaosine zz_phar6oor adc wytchmaster HurricaneHarry insidious jmyrv woky Peterzen overlord_tm crowd42 acperkins Spr1ng luckman212 EnergyCoffee darxmurf spooky_ Ticho lrvick jsdk sirecote WernerVonCroy johnnyfive valerius `ryban GenteelBen ygeLN nwe K1rk thecliguy marens LoRez Linlz jr
403[03:11:19] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
404[03:11:19] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
405[03:11:19] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
406[03:11:19] <pdhmjzwb> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
407[03:11:19] <adid> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: r0bby SpacePen1 Voldenet edi apteryx_ fauweh Posterdati tacocat karlamrhein iwkse Roedy gardar Guest36146 zmachine ibex Phah12 borsin eoli3n allure dtux xingu kInOzAwA mo1991 simon_q dexta_ esainane hellais_ tobiasBora grim4593 thalos b0l3x seyeongkim elios Hydroxide tboston peterrooney hiroki roms DzAirmaX kaosine magyar blackwell knx SupaYoshi gatekeep samtunez bluszcz Arsiesys L3gacy smurfd soee_ bw_ n-st yoodas[m] hu
408[03:11:20] <adid> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: mypapit soee HotSwap Orbitrix soee_ BroTroxer iwkse beardo nku michaelni pacbard cendo Scuttle Soliton leochill1 xaero n-st msb freakyy zmachine gardar skagerak GGMethos cadillac_ tensorpudding hassoon johanbr JC_SoCal dsnow_ Arahael volter gartral scootypuff NoCode seprob_ dmarr ix xormor Arsiesys hipodils1i BrainDommage yang fred`` bachler crowd42 Skaag_ nadley yonder genpaku Hydroxide t0aster0ven atlas Ticho mr__tea C
409[03:11:20] <ctrlalt> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: `Kevin Blade dbristow mumixam brouette djanos volter tomaw allure mpmc hicks_ smidlers introom graytron eplanet kaosine flugger terr1 Savemech bachler sasukeskapa Logg skney Scuttle fasdfd marens jobewankenobi nomic edvb sereno knor JyZyXEL jcara pcdummy k-man ygeLN ikevin gareth__ aedinius ohithere Gilfoyle- greenbagels Olipro ra1stlin brwoods CME stackofcats_ s0lar1s grim4593 Waggie Orphis nighty- tomocha_ BWMerl
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411[03:11:21] <lovera> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
412[03:11:21] <lovera> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
413[03:11:21] <lovera> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
414[03:11:21] <extraordi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: Len elliot007 GeraldW gartral qzo MrGeneral disi beardy boser fstd samtunez cheapie ceptor Pikudoz sa-ghosts HotSwap lankanmon geir_ Letze_ ygeLN roshanavand anon_ ageis dpkg natr0x k4tfish tec__ lifeofguenter _0x5eb_ hank Mazhive kopper raidsec argusbr iwkse ProbablyNot davidebeatrici de-facto silver_hook R eck cadillac_ zymurgy riddle [Brain] Poster|n ra1stlin baptist NeilHanlon vvande mypapit tmiland heinrich5991 ApolloJustic
415[03:11:24] <hexaaaaaa> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
416[03:11:24] <hexaaaaaa> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
417[03:11:25] <hexaaaaaa> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
418[03:11:25] <hexaaaaaa> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
419[03:11:25] <hexaaaaaa> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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422[03:11:26] <mrvar> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
423[03:11:27] <mrvar> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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425[03:11:27] <mrvar> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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427[03:11:27] <mrvar> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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437[03:11:32] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
438[03:11:32] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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440[03:11:32] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
441[03:11:33] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
442[03:11:33] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
443[03:11:33] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
444[03:11:33] <oppbo> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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449[03:11:34] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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451[03:11:35] <barbane> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: f3bruary Mysterytrain sangy Typhon Clouder Ekho jhns Neomex Cabanossi nux Esya _KaszpiR_ ghost43 Brian- enoch85 Ticho Skaag steveeJ delYsid melvin Neobicne-situaci Jdbye CodeBlue1776 GDiaX mns musalbas safe psycodad Commander1024 promach crowd42 loeken xaero mussaed_ Zorroness michaelni flipp lankanmon a777a glebihan zhoujingrui Ad smurfd m4rCsi jas4711 Zerant sweatsuit toozej Dojka riskox d-fence kwmiebach
452[03:11:35] <metax> lol
453[03:11:35] <barbane> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: spacerabbit dos1 or4n fred`` Bercik bier boulderjams crashev_ Rockj avantgardist dwar_ thoros finlstrm bkraptor mete gcore___ yokel Pedr0 television eoli3n |subz3r0| soahccc Acrisor lan_stuff bluszcz spacebison abunai crayon Arrowmaster bezaban bryceml Profound volodim RT_FM imadz713 xaero alxd austin987 nux sa-ghosts rogst fialka thalos TonyL chance2105 electrostat hid3 Guest36146 hellais_ babilen sheedy pe
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455[03:11:37] <netstri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
456[03:11:37] <netstri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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459[03:11:37] <netstri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: techmagu1 ladyl t3rmin LeandroLuiz fstd glebihan ryke hiya spacebison mcastillo XSoul kingsley pirkaaw overlord_tm Skaag_ hellais_ atlas mibo abunai ChmEarl michaelni roms altendky AntiSpamMeta Neomex Blade BWMerlin v01t knor Krennic t0aster0ven Lxrowe_ Noldorin jsdk dudz_ Junaos xcm walnut_burl youam_ aindilis sereno fialka nighty-- luckman212 RedSoxFan07 tacocat digitalnomad91 nomic ledeni meLon_ jasabelle mich
460[03:11:37] <netstri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: abff kopper Phibonacci mcastillo Merixer kolla cyborg-one cadeskywalker warai_otoko fooctrl extor SanovaL shoogz apteryx_ zhangj__ MuffinMedic Trellmor in1t3r Aristide gigetoo argusbr arosusi CodeBlue1776 themill renzhi MrFixIt OS-34115 dave0x6d dpkg Mahe olufunmilayo pvoigt bpsecret thunderrd sysadmin_ raynold |subz3r0| MicroCheapFx_ grossing_ Spr1ng cnu- techmagu1 Ruebezahl Dojka xcm imadz713 bzed sereno sharky
461[03:11:38] <netstri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!: mallor ezra-s pacbard mypapit James_T Schmiel riddle iskatu talin hays RoyK Psy-Q boulderjams maxmtx[m] synthmeat Merixer OS-34115 SQL donofrio JustStephIt otih abunai acperkins n-st webuser5- jer0me kingsley Razva graytron kupad volter JimmySteve bryceml Dojka nighty-- dos1 spooky regedit elios Zardoz psycodad Strife89 pztrick rolig PlasmaStar mDfRg riex tmiland sparty t3rmin Malinux ghoti riskox Tom012 Mazhive
462[03:11:38] <{Azrae> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
463[03:11:38] <{Azrae> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
464[03:11:38] <{Azrae> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
465[03:11:38] <{Azrae> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
466[03:11:38] <{Azrae> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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469[03:11:40] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
470[03:11:40] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
471[03:11:40] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
472[03:11:40] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
473[03:11:40] <fllqieza> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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476[03:11:40] <piot> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
477[03:11:40] <piot> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
478[03:11:40] <piot> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
479[03:11:40] <piot> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
480[03:11:40] <piot> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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482[03:11:41] <cocai> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
483[03:11:41] <cocai> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
484[03:11:41] <cocai> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
485[03:11:41] <cocai> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
486[03:11:41] <cocai> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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490[03:11:41] <mauri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
491[03:11:41] <mauri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
492[03:11:41] <mauri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
493[03:11:41] <mauri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
494[03:11:41] <mauri> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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504[03:11:42] <teags> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
505[03:11:42] <teags> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
506[03:11:42] <teags> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
507[03:11:42] <teags> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
508[03:11:42] <teags> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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511[03:11:42] <rhi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
512[03:11:42] <rhi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
513[03:11:42] <rhi> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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516[03:11:42] <storr> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
517[03:11:42] <storr> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
518[03:11:42] <storr> UBUNTU IS BETTER!!:
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521[03:11:46] <Comstock> should we tell them?
522[03:11:55] <metax> yes of course
523[03:11:59] <cheapie> Well, that was "exciting"? :P
524[03:11:59] <holden-> yep
525[03:12:02] <Comstock> debian > ubuntu
526[03:12:05] <Comstock> i said it.
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528[03:12:08] <Arrowmaster> but it would break their hearts
529[03:12:09] <metax> let's strike back
530[03:12:10] <clopez> apt-get install ubuntu ?
531[03:12:11] <matthiaskrgr> lol
532[03:12:12] <holden-> ubuntu \in debian
533[03:12:15] <BrainDommage> ....
534[03:12:16] <Comstock> haha
535[03:12:23] <tiwake> cheapie: ohi
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537[03:12:24] <Logg> ubuntu and debian target different use cases
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539[03:12:28] <cheapie> o/
540[03:12:28] * Sauvin uses both and says "you don't like it, don't look!"
541[03:12:31] <bitch> woo yay spam!
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547[03:13:00] <Comstock> begun it has, the ubuntu wars.
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550[03:13:12] <bitch> But isn't Ubuntu based on Debian?
551[03:13:46] <metax> both are same shit actually due to systemd
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572[03:17:29] <Tarrasquero> metax: you are very wrong
573[03:18:07] <Tarrasquero> :P
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575[03:18:17] <metax> of course not, but okay
576[03:18:45] <Comstock> ubuntu is debian as windows is dos.
577[03:18:55] <Comstock> =P
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584[03:19:57] <metax> systemd has ruined it all, so both don't worth using them anymore
585[03:20:16] <Logg> #debian-offtopic. :)
586[03:20:21] <Tarrasquero> you will see them the same, but more stable than debian, hmmm
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826[04:30:08] <tacocat> something something debootstrap ubuntu
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854[04:52:49] <mandeep> recently im getting visual artifacts on gnome. any idea on how to diagnose?
855[04:52:55] <metaphysician> Which desktop environment has better SELinux support? Gnome/Xfce/Mate/Cinnamon/Lxde/KDE?
856[04:53:05] <mandeep> for example an app will shake violently on the monitor
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873[05:06:18] <awal1> what I need to edit/config for disable 'bell' in Consoles when logged as root?
874[05:07:37] <awal1> because 'set bell-style none' in .inputrc not sufficient, just affect regular user shell sessions
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881[05:13:02] <renzhi> is there a libcurl compiled with openssl 1.1 for debian somewhere?
882[05:13:38] <renzhi> I'm runing debian buster, but libcurl4 is compiled with openssl < 1.1
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1281[08:00:09] <xochilpili> hi all
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1283[08:00:35] <xochilpili> im using debian and i havent volume control, how can i add it beside clock ?
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1296[08:03:30] <darxmurf> xochilpili: right click the task bar, panel, add new item
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1333[08:10:17] <xochilpili> darxmurf, thanks!
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1340[08:11:45] <darxmurf> Well it's like that on XFCE, don't know which graphical manager you are using
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1347[08:13:02] <JackFrost> darxmurf: That depends a bit on if you're using a panel plugin, or volumeicon-alsa or somesuch though.
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1561[09:01:04] <Katharsis> I need pro tip. How to monitor what is the reason that my VPS server is freezing sometimes (1 of 4 CPU is 100% used)? At that time Zabbix client is going down and htop session also was freezed.
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1576[09:04:44] <Katharsis> or, is it possible to set max CPU usage for all processes?
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1625[09:17:07] <Sustainer> I am in Xfce live CD. I want to start installation but I can't find any way to start it.
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1641[09:19:30] <Sustainer> There is no shortcut to start installation.
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1643[09:20:06] <gpunk> you may have the wrong image
1644[09:20:19] <gpunk> that dont include the installer
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1647[09:20:32] <Sustainer> gpunk: I have debian-live-9-amd64-xfce.iso
1648[09:20:43] <gpunk> hold on
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1650[09:20:57] <Sustainer> Does it have the installer?
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1654[09:21:35] <Sustainer> I have boot it via existing grub boot=live findiso=..
1655[09:21:44] <Sustainer> *booted it
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1659[09:22:38] <gpunk> it should have it
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1661[09:22:55] <Sustainer> gpunk: how to start it from CLI?
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1669[09:24:49] <Sustainer> There is no debian-installer-launcher command
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1672[09:25:34] <gpunk> and "debian-installer" ?
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1674[09:26:22] <Sustainer> gpunk: No debian-installer
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1677[09:26:50] <Sustainer> /proc/cmdline: BOOT_IMAGE=(loop)/live/vmlinuz-4.9.0-4-amd64 boot=live findiso=debian-live-9.2.0-amd64-xfce.iso components quiet splash
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1680[09:27:24] <gpunk> did you change the cmdline at boot ?
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1693[09:29:06] <Sustainer> gpunk: I have existing grub. I booted the iso with grub loopmount giving the above parameters. Now I am in live session, but I can't initiate installation to disk
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1701[09:30:07] <Sustainer> gpunk: I didn't get any boot menu from Debian
1702[09:30:16] <gpunk> i think you need to boot the iso's grub and choose install instead of live
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1705[09:30:57] <Sustainer> gpunk: yes, how to get the iso's boot menu?
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1709[09:31:24] <gpunk> boot off of it , dont use "your" grub
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1714[09:32:36] <Sustainer> Ok, I think I found it. Instead of using the kernel in /live dir, there is a vmlinuz in /d-i dir
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1716[09:32:42] <Sustainer> I'll invoke that
1717[09:33:21] <gpunk> ok ...
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1719[09:33:26] <Sustainer> Ok, logging off
1720[09:33:31] <Sustainer> gpunk: Thanks
1721[09:33:36] <gpunk> :)
1722[09:33:41] <Sustainer> will be back if it doesn't work :)
1723[09:33:45] <Sustainer> bye bye
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1819[09:56:42] <Agafnd> so i recently connected a USB keyboard to my laptop. After a while it started using the system keyboard settings (standard Dvorak) instead of the settings i had put in place (programmer Dvorak, capslock is backspace, and a few other settings.)
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1824[09:57:47] <Agafnd> i rebooted, because hey, what's the worst it could do, and now the laptop's keyboard uses the system settings as well.
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1829[09:59:23] <Agafnd> (i setted my settings with the MATE keyboard preferences program.)
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1838[10:00:35] <Agafnd> i am considering rebooting +
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1840[10:00:49] <Agafnd> without the keyboard plugged in.
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1914[10:18:08] <allure> guys, how can I make apache skip the Internal Dummy Connection logging? I wish they continue to happen, but just don't get logged. Is that possible?
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2003[10:40:34] <bipul> Is it possible to convert or use 64 bit .deb file into 32 bit .deb file. I am using 32 bit OS
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2009[10:42:52] <jelly> bipul, no
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2016[10:44:08] <jelly> bipul, if your CPU is 64-bit capable, you can boot a 64bit kernel, enable multiarch for "amd64" debian architecture, install and usethe 64bit .deb as usual
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2022[10:44:57] <bipul> Thank you jelly link please
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2049[10:50:09] <jelly> !multiarch
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2051[10:50:23] <jelly> !lm
2052[10:50:23] <dpkg> rumour has it, lm is "long mode" (replaced-url
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2057[10:51:45] <jelly> bipul, first verify "long mode" is available. If it's not, don't bother. If it is, replace "i386" in the example dpkg command above with "amd64" to enable amd64 foreign arch.
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2059[10:52:16] <bipul> Ok thanks jelly
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2061[10:52:24] <jelly> bipul, then install linux-image-amd64:amd64 and boot it. If you're using non-free graphic drivers you'll have more issues.
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2063[10:52:59] <jelly> bipul, is your CPU 64bit capable?
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2075[10:57:38] <bipul> Jelly yes
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2078[10:58:10] <bipul> Lscpu says 32-bit and 64-bit
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2093[11:04:06] <bipul> Jelly getconf LONG_BIT says 32 bit
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2146[11:25:39] <Deys> Anyone has any idea what happened to the package libguesttfs in debian buster/testing
2147[11:25:45] <Deys> can't find it
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2153[11:26:50] <JyZyXEL> Deys: it's libguestfs-tools?
2154[11:27:05] <Deys> yes JyZyXEL
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2157[11:27:12] <Deys> that's now available
2158[11:27:18] <Deys> that's not available
2159[11:28:08] <jelly> bipul, I have no idea what that command is supposed to show.
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2161[11:28:42] <jelly> ,v libguestfs-tools
2162[11:28:43] <judd> Package: libguestfs-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.18.1-1+deb7u3; jessie: 1:1.28.1-1; jessie-backports: 1:1.32.7-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:1.34.6-2; sid: 1:1.36.11-1
2163[11:28:57] <jelly> dpkg, why is libguestfs-tools not in testing
2164[11:28:57] <dpkg> libguestfs-tools is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2169[11:30:19] <jelly> Deys, replaced-url
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2172[11:31:08] <mpo> Folks, in Debian 9 with KDE: Why does "kaccessibleapp" keep restarting, even though I stopped it?
2173[11:31:10] <jelly> Deys, you may find more information on its tracker.d.o page. replaced-url
2174[11:31:22] <jelly> also,
2175[11:31:25] <jelly> !debian-next
2176[11:31:25] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2177[11:31:27] <iodev> I'm switching to debian testing :-)
2178[11:31:42] <jelly> good, one less person to ask questions in here :-)
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2189[11:33:33] <Deys> thanks jelly
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2206[11:42:53] <jesopo> so i umounted my /home on my running system and tried to shrink it by 30gb using parted and I think it messed up the partition table which I believe I fixed except for what I assume was the boot partition (2mb free at the start of the disk)
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2208[11:43:40] <jesopo> so I remade a filesystemless 2mb primary partition from 0 to 2mb, set bios_grub on it, mounted all the needed things then chrooted into it on a rescure disk and did grub-install and update-grub
2209[11:43:43] <jesopo> but I'm not able to boot
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2211[11:44:16] <jesopo> I'm also unable to see the serial console of the server (OVH) to see if there's a helpful "this is messed up" message
2212[11:44:24] <jesopo> anyone got any ideas?
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2214[11:44:39] <jesopo> I've got a 20gb / then an almost 4tb /home and then a small swap
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2217[11:45:00] <jesopo> they're all recognised and fsck restored the two ext4 (/ and /home) from superblock backups
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2219[11:45:34] <jesopo> and the boot partition must work because when I first readded grub, there was a weird boot image in my /boot that was put there by OVH and it decided that was the first boot option
2220[11:45:37] <jesopo> and that booted
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2223[11:46:06] <jesopo> but my boot image just won't work. it looked like the OVH image was something weird because even though the server came up, no ports were open and :445 was "filtered"
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2225[11:46:42] <jesopo> so I'm figuring something is wrong with my / or /home that aren't trying to be mounted by the thing that does boot but when my linux image boots, it fails for some reason
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2227[11:47:11] <jesopo> I'm wondering if it's fstab that's causing the issue but I've checked that and it seems okay
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2231[11:48:22] <jesopo> idk what information will make debugging this easier
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2254[11:56:27] <gpunk> leave ohv
2255[11:56:31] <gpunk> ovh*
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2262[11:58:18] <jesopo> gpunk: that doesn't help me right now
2263[11:58:25] <jesopo> I'd like to get the server booting first :)
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2265[11:59:02] <gpunk> "I'm also unable to see the serial console of the server (OVH)" : contact OVH
2266[11:59:17] <jesopo> okay, I have
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2372[12:57:56] <Haxxa> Anyone used Openmediafault before? I was wondering if it was built on debian i.e. can I simply ssh in and install other packages as I please?
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2380[12:59:39] <digdilem> Haxxa, "OpenMediaVault is the next generation network attached storage (NAS) solution based on Debian Linux. It contains services like SSH, (S)FTP, SMB/CIFS, AFS, UPnP."
2381[12:59:41] <digdilem> says google.
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2385[13:00:16] <digdilem> suggest using their documentation, as it's not strictly debian
2386[13:00:25] <Haxxa> digdilem, sure but do they disable ssh I want to use the ui on top but they have there own plugin system I am wondering if I can use apt and install packages as I please
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2390[13:01:07] <digdilem> Sorry to be that guy, but this is a debian channel, not things-based-on-debian, so this isn't the right place
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2393[13:02:38] <Haxxa> digdilem, doesn't have there own IRC channel though :(
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2395[13:02:46] <JustASlacker> maybe ask #"OpenMediaVault
2396[13:02:51] <JustASlacker> or even #OpenMediaVault
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2399[13:03:10] <Haxxa> huh nm they do
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2541[14:40:47] <synthmeat> are there any gotchas i need to be weary if i'm installing multiple libssl versions on the system (need libssl1.0.0 on stretch for a package)
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2543[14:42:50] <FinalX> weary in one sense? you can install the stock debian libssl-dev and libssl1.0-dev next to each other, as well as libssl1.1 and libssl1.0.2
2544[14:42:57] <FinalX> in what sense*
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2552[14:49:12] <synthmeat> FinalX: don't know. breakage of other packages maybe?
2553[14:49:46] <FinalX> the packages depend on what they'll depend, if they need 1.0, they'll install libssl1.0.2, and if they need 1.1, they'll install libssl1.1
2554[14:49:57] <FinalX> they shouldn't interfere
2555[14:50:28] <synthmeat> FinalX: cool. thank you
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2563[14:58:02] <jelly> jesopo, do you mean, any DIFFERENT ideas than a couple hours ago when you last asked and got told to contact the provider?
2564[14:58:17] <jelly> ooh, scrollback error, sorry
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2786[16:26:25] <lazarus477> I am following the debian wiki guide on setting up bridged networking between an ethernet nic and a wireless nic. The info appears a bit dated and no longer working: replaced-url
2787[16:26:44] <jhutchins> Where is root's access to Mariadb/mysql client without password documented? Setting a password for root doesn't seem to prevent login without password.
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2791[16:27:48] <lazarus477> jhutchins: If you are running the commandline utils while logged in as root I do not think a password is requested.
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2794[16:28:59] <metax> i need to convert dmesg timestamp to readable date format, is there way?
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2797[16:29:44] <jhutchins> lazarus477: Running the client, non-Debian installs require a password for root.
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2810[16:33:59] <RJo0> Linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
2811[16:34:20] <jhutchins> ,kernels
2812[16:34:21] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
2813[16:34:22] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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2819[16:37:31] <RJo0> I am installing Debian 9.3 non-free. During installation of the base system, it asks to choose a kernel
2820[16:37:32] <RJo0> Linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
2821[16:37:32] <RJo0> and Linux-image-amd64
2822[16:37:32] <RJo0> What is the difference of these?
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2825[16:38:08] <RJo0> judd; I did not see either of these in the list
2826[16:38:10] <judd> No package named 'did' was found in stretch/amd64.
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2835[16:40:03] <jhutchins> RJo0: The one with the version number installs that specific kernel. The one without is a virtual package that will install whatever is most current, and will make upgrades easier.
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2853[16:45:48] <RJo0> jhutchins, sounds great, thanks.
2854[16:45:54] <jelly> if you don't know better, pick the one without the version thingy
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2926[17:01:25] <lazarus477> jhutchins: Maybe this is what you are after: replaced-url
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3399[17:59:29] <jhutchins> That doesn't really explain why root can log in with no password even if a password is manually set for root.
3400[17:59:39] <Pegasus_RPG> Hello. I just upgraded to Stretch and I'm using KDE. KRDC appears to have lost my bookmarks even though .kde/share/apps/krdc/bookmarks.xml is still there and hasn't been modified. DOes anyone know where they are now stored in KDE 5?
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3410[18:00:17] <Pegasus_RPG> Also strange: the KDE Bookmark Editor says it's using the KDE 4 platform still.
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3413[18:00:29] <Pegasus_RPG> (While KRDC is using KDE 5)
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3589[18:53:39] <jhutchins> Can someone give me a link on how to activate a roundcube plugin from the Debian packages as opposed to pulling it from git with composer?
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3593[18:54:45] <somiaj> does /usr/share/doc/packagename give any clues?
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3639[19:06:42] <mnuhmnuh> does dpkg-reconfigure roundcube do anything?
3640[19:06:53] <paraxic> what packages provide arp and dig ?
3641[19:06:56] <annadane> destroys the universe
3642[19:07:00] <greycat> dnsutils for dig, at least
3643[19:07:09] <greycat> net-tools for arp
3644[19:07:17] <paraxic> ahh thanks greycat
3645[19:07:48] <mnuhmnuh> annadane: tested it?
3646[19:08:13] <annadane> i ask you to consult the beginning of hitchhiker's guide
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3944[20:15:30] <RJo0> My Debian 9.3 failed at package manager. After testing, I found I did not have an internet connection. I don't know how I might reestablish one at this point, so I rebooted to try again.
3945[20:15:30] <RJo0> The installer failed at detecting the CDROM (I am using a USB stick). I opened a terminal and input 'mount' to see where is was mounted. It doesn't show up. I did this on my previous attempt and saw the 'cdrom' was mounted /dev/sdb1. So I umounted it and mounted it again and it worked. I recreated the USB just as before, from a validated download of d9.3 and creating the USB with Fedora Writer on a Win10 box. I don't know how to proceed from here. Any
3946[20:15:30] <RJo0> suggestions?
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3958[20:17:21] <mtn> RJo0: if you have linux, just cp the iso file to the usb stick
3959[20:17:27] <mtn> RJo0: then try again
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3966[20:18:22] <mtn> RJo0: replaced-url
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3969[20:19:26] <lazarus477> Need the name of a good channel to discuss the topic of linux networking. Specifically related to ethernet and Wireless. I am want to ask about wpa_supplicant and it's obscure parameter named br_ifname and what it's purpose is...
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3972[20:20:11] <mtn> lazarus477: #networking
3973[20:20:13] <greycat> #wireless or ##networking
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3981[20:22:14] <lazarus477> mtn: ty!
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3990[20:25:38] <megmanx9> hi
3991[20:25:59] <megmanx9> i need help to install odoo_10.0.latest_all.deb
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3994[20:27:12] <annadane> where is that from? i'd rather not install random .deb that you find on the internet
3995[20:27:13] <RJo0> mtn, I blew away my Linux while attempting this installation.
3996[20:27:17] <annadane> ,v odoo
3997[20:27:18] <judd> No package named 'odoo' was found in amd64.
3998[20:27:27] <annadane> if you need, you can probably build from source
3999[20:27:27] <megmanx9> replaced-url
4000[20:27:30] <mtn> RJo0: blew away what linux?
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4002[20:27:55] <megmanx9> judd: i down it from odoo site
4003[20:27:56] <judd> No package named 'down' was found in stretch/amd64.
4004[20:28:08] <annadane> megmanx9, replaced-url
4005[20:28:24] <annadane> that's better than just installing things you don't trust from the internet; it doesn't require root privileges
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4008[20:28:56] <megmanx9> i down it from odoo site
4009[20:29:02] <greycat> What is odoo? What's their web site? What system was their .deb built on? What dependencies does it have?
4010[20:29:16] <greycat> What error did you get when you tried to install it?
4011[20:29:22] <annadane> megmanx9, also, judd is just a bot i invoked with a command
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4013[20:29:35] <megmanx9> annadane: replaced-url
4014[20:29:44] <annadane> megmanx9, i saw that, what i said still stands
4015[20:29:52] <annadane> you shouldn't just install random .deb files from the internet
4016[20:30:05] <annadane> build from source if you want, as i linked above
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4021[20:30:15] <megmanx9> replaced-url
4022[20:30:30] <megmanx9> annadane: replaced-url
4023[20:30:38] <annadane> megmanx9, yes, i know. read what i'm telling you
4024[20:30:42] <megmanx9> i got it from this
4025[20:30:50] <annadane> that doesn't mean you should trust it
4026[20:30:58] <greycat> megmanx9: so, what happened when you ran "apt-get -f install" to fetch all those dependencies?
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4028[20:31:05] <greycat> ,v node-less
4029[20:31:06] <judd> Package: node-less on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.4.2-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.4.2-1; jessie-backports: 1.6.3~dfsg-2~bpo8+1; buster: 1.6.3~dfsg-2; sid: 1.6.3~dfsg-2; stretch: 1.6.3~dfsg-2
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4034[20:31:59] <greycat> also, they have Debian instructions on this page: replaced-url
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4038[20:32:37] <RJo0> mtn, Thanks for the link. When the USB stick in plugged in, dmesg says usb storage device detected. Direct-Access. The next four line are prefixed with 'sd'. Write protect is off and no caching mode page found, cache is write through, then sdc: sdc1 sdc2
4039[20:32:57] <megmanx9> replaced-url
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4041[20:33:37] <megmanx9> new error
4042[20:33:53] <megmanx9> replaced-url
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4045[20:34:38] <RJo0> mtn, I had Qubes-os on the laptop before attempted replacing it with Debian.
4046[20:34:57] <megmanx9> greycat: replaced-url
4047[20:35:12] <megmanx9> annadane: replaced-url
4048[20:35:17] <greycat> and what, I'm supposed to read it FOR you?
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4050[20:35:39] <greycat> did you try following their Debian installation steps?
4051[20:35:54] <megmanx9> greycat: yes i did
4052[20:36:01] <greycat> have you installed OTHER random third-party .deb files before and broken the infrastructure of your system?
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4057[20:37:21] <megmanx9> greycat: no .. just some dependency
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4060[20:38:19] <annadane> megmanx9, from replaced-url
4061[20:38:19] <annadane> repositories if at all possible. The packages in the Debian repositories are known to work well and install properly. Only using software from the Debian repositories is also much safer than installing from random websites which could bundle malware and other security risks. "
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4063[20:38:44] <annadane> and, as i'm suggesting, replaced-url
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4075[20:40:39] <megmanx9> annadane: what if some software are not in Debian repository ?
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4079[20:40:54] <RJo0> mtn, I used a different USB stick, used Fedora write to copy. It is now booting on the laptop.
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4081[20:41:06] <annadane> megmanx9, that's what the section replaced-url
4082[20:41:19] <mtn> RJo0: good deal
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4088[20:42:26] <megmanx9> annadane: okey
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4098[20:44:08] <RJo0> mtn, Thank you. I am configuring the disk.
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4103[20:44:39] <jelly> megmanx9, was your huge .deb download successful?
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4108[20:45:01] <greycat> It certainly didn't appear successful based on the "unexpected EOF" type errors in his more recent pastebin.
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4111[20:45:10] <jelly> this is rather weird.
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4113[20:45:12] <jelly> dpkg-deb (subprocess): cannot copy archive member from 'odoo_10.0.latest_all.deb' to decompressor pipe: unexpected end of file or stream
4114[20:45:12] <jelly> dpkg-deb (subprocess): decompressing archive member: lzma error: unexpected end of input
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4119[20:45:52] <greycat> I was guessing corrupted/truncated data.
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4128[20:46:34] <greycat> In any case, I asked him whether he had followed odoo's installation instructions, and he said "Yes", but it was a blatant lie.
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4134[20:47:16] <greycat> nothing in his pastes about wget | apt-get add, etc.
4135[20:47:18] <jelly> how can you tell a blatant one from mere inattention to detail
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4138[20:47:54] <Kobaz> so i have kernel 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 installed deb 8.9
4139[20:47:57] <greycat> err, apt-key add
4140[20:48:02] <Kobaz> i need to get the source and headers
4141[20:48:05] <greycat> you know, like it said on the page that I linked him to
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4143[20:48:09] <Kobaz> but i'm not finding the needed packages
4144[20:48:19] <greycat> Kobaz: that is NOT a jessie kernel
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4146[20:48:33] <Kobaz> right, it's pulled from a newer release
4147[20:48:45] <greycat> Not even a release. It's from post-stable testing wilderness.
4148[20:48:51] <jelly> and the newer release was called stretch-backports ?
4149[20:48:52] <Kobaz> seems like all the packages for 4.12 is all gone
4150[20:48:54] <greycat> And you're trying to use it on OLDstable.
4151[20:49:02] <jelly> no, bpo is not testing wilderness
4152[20:49:13] <jelly> bpo is bpo
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4155[20:49:49] <jelly> Kobaz, how did you manage to install that kernel?
4156[20:49:52] <greycat> ,kernels
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4159[20:49:53] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.65-3+deb9u1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports:
4160[20:49:54] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
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4162[20:50:03] <greycat> jessie-backports has only 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686
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4166[20:50:22] <Kobaz> i'm trying stretch-backports:
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4168[20:50:38] <Kobaz> linux-headers-4.13.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 : Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 but it is not going to be installed linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 : Depends: gcc-6 but it is not installable
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4170[20:50:50] <towo`> you can't use stretch packages in jessie
4171[20:50:53] <jelly> Kobaz, yeah, that won't work.
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4173[20:51:19] <jelly> Kobaz, can you use 4.9 from jessie-backports instead?
4174[20:51:21] <pie3> hi i would like to recursively crawling a website having several .md files and convert and merge them into a singel pdf file, how to do that?
4175[20:51:33] <jelly> Kobaz, or 3.16 from jessie?
4176[20:51:39] <Kobaz> jelly: ideally i want to get the headers installed for 4.12 so i dont have to reboot
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4178[20:51:51] <Kobaz> trying to get a module in
4179[20:51:58] <jhutchins> somiaj: No readmes in the debian packages for the plugins.
4180[20:52:00] <Kobaz> but the packages are just gone
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4184[20:52:10] <Kobaz> and 3.16 won't install
4185[20:52:14] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: debconf only handles the basic setup.
4186[20:52:19] <Kobaz> i can reboot tonght, it's not the end of the world
4187[20:52:20] <jelly> Kobaz, those will have been built against a gcc you can't have on jessie
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4189[20:52:34] <jelly> just like the current 4.13 in stretch-bpo
4190[20:52:37] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: If I understand the docs, you have to edit json files and move the components to the right location.
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4192[20:52:50] <Kobaz> 3.16 is fine too
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4196[20:53:09] <Kobaz> i would like to keep this on 4.x though
4197[20:53:10] <jhutchins> mnuhmnuh: They've automated it, but the automation uses composer and pulls from git.
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4201[20:53:48] <jelly> Kobaz, you can keep the current kernel, but you won't be able to install matching headers and gcc
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4209[20:55:06] <Kobaz> i can spin up a vm and and do the build there i suppose
4210[20:55:09] <anticensored> what is the meaning of /dev/null/
4211[20:55:29] <jhutchins> anticensored: 42
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4213[20:55:32] <anticensored> i know its supposedly not a directory but it is not a file either
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4218[20:55:53] <greycat> anticensored: it's a file, so no trailing .
4219[20:55:53] <anticensored> but it has a path so if its neither a directory or a file what is it?
4220[20:55:55] <greycat> anticensored: it's a file, so no trailing /
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4222[20:56:09] <greycat> specifically it's a character device file
4223[20:56:21] <anticensored> okay then, if its a file how come I can't copy it?
4224[20:56:32] <anticensored> or overwrite it or delete it?
4225[20:56:38] <greycat> You can. Every read from it returns EOF, so your copy will be 0 bytes long.
4226[20:56:43] <jelly> Kobaz, you can install stretch in a vm, search for matching date for that stretch-backports build you like on snapshot.debian.org, add that to repos and grab the matching kernel and headers
4227[20:56:46] <greycat> Every write to it succeeds and does nothing.
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4229[20:56:59] <anticensored> okay so its essentially an imaginary file?
4230[20:57:02] <greycat> You SHOULD not delete it, because that would break programs that depend on it.
4231[20:57:50] <jelly> Kobaz, you decide whether all that's worth to avoid rebooting into a kernel build with jessie userspace tools
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4233[20:58:33] <annadane> !xy problem
4234[20:58:34] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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4239[20:59:28] <jhutchins> anticensored: One of the uses is to redirect the output of commands in a script, effectively silencing them.
4240[20:59:47] <jelly> anticensored, it's a way to access kernel functionality that looks like a file you can always write to, and you can never read from.
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4243[21:00:07] <Kobaz> overall objective is to get a kernel module built and loaded, as soon as possible, avoiding rebooting
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4248[21:00:11] <anticensored> okay that makes sense
4249[21:00:22] <anticensored> so like piping to Out-Null in powershell
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4251[21:00:30] <jelly> yes
4252[21:00:47] <anticensored> thanks for the help
4253[21:01:00] <somiaj> Kobaz: any reason why the 4.9 kernel won't work for your hardware? I missed exactly what you needed the 4.12 kernel for?
4254[21:01:00] <jhutchins> anticensored: Guess where windows got that idea?
4255[21:01:08] <Kobaz> somiaj: btrfs
4256[21:01:15] <Kobaz> ...fixes, etc
4257[21:01:25] <jelly> jhutchins, probably from cp/m and ms-dos NUL:
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4260[21:01:48] <pie3> Which are other swiss army knife like tools/softare like pandoc is?
4261[21:01:50] <somiaj> Kobaz: okay, unsure on the details, but you would probably do better to compile your own kernel from source vs using one not built for jessie.
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4264[21:02:06] <Kobaz> somiaj: i usually do, but for this environment i wanted purely packages
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4268[21:02:42] <somiaj> Kobaz: you can build your own 4.12 kernel packages using 'make deb-pkg', you can even do this on a different machine if you didn't want to have the build tools on the main install.
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4292[21:13:11] <Kobaz> replaced-url
4293[21:13:18] <Kobaz> why is there no 2017 archives?
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4295[21:13:50] <annadane> due to the freeze period, i presume
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4297[21:14:09] <Kobaz> so there's been no updates to any backports since 2016-03-13 ?
4298[21:14:13] <Kobaz> that can't be
4299[21:14:29] <annadane> but you're looking for backports in snapshots
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4301[21:14:42] <Kobaz> right
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4303[21:14:50] <somiaj> I'm unsure what debian-backports would be, there are various backports for different releases.
4304[21:15:00] <somiaj> I wonder if that is the old backports.debian.org stuff
4305[21:15:13] <anticensored> any horny girls for sexual roleplay? pm if interested
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4318[21:18:08] <donofrio> somiaj, tnx - take many diffrent people to make the world go round....
4319[21:18:11] <Kobaz> i think just the index is messed up
4320[21:18:17] <Kobaz> apt-get -o Acquire::Check-Valid-Until=false update
4321[21:18:22] <Kobaz> i get packages just fine actually
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4323[21:19:15] <somiaj> Kobaz: looking at even 2016, there isn't much there. I am wondering if this is the old archive for backports.debian.org which is now in the main mirrors using wheezy-backports, stretch-backports, etc
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4327[21:20:08] <Kobaz> yeah i suppose it could be an old archive, not the actual curent active snapshot pool
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4333[21:21:38] <somiaj> Kobaz: any paticular backport you are looking for?
4334[21:21:52] <Kobaz> my 4.12 kernel stuff
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4340[21:23:50] <somiaj> Kobaz: just look for the package name you want, linux-image-4.12.0-1-amd64 or something like that?
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4342[21:24:20] <somiaj> Kobaz: again in this case if you really need a 4.12 kernel in jessie, you should build your own, it will just save problems in the long run.
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4344[21:24:24] <Kobaz> yeah
4345[21:24:26] <Kobaz> i think i got it now
4346[21:24:31] <somiaj> replaced-url
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4349[21:25:01] <Kobaz> i wish i knew about snapshot years ago
4350[21:25:03] <Kobaz> this is amazing
4351[21:25:08] <Kobaz> would have solved all kinds of issues
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4373[21:31:32] <zerocool> what's snapshot
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4377[21:31:54] <greycat> !snapshots
4378[21:31:54] <dpkg> replaced-url
4379[21:32:15] <zerocool> ohhh, neat!
4380[21:32:17] <zerocool> thanks
4381[21:32:40] <_KaszpiR_> hm, donreing if ubuntu has something similiar?
4382[21:32:44] <_KaszpiR_> *wondering
4383[21:32:49] <greycat> ask #ubuntu
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4569[22:35:28] <yeah_guy> Hello. I am trying to wipe my hard drive and reinstall Stretch. I have the ISO on a USB stick, but when I try to boot from the USB, I get a flashing cursor. Nothing happens.
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4571[22:35:56] <annadane> yeah_guy, what method did you use to prepare the image
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4575[22:36:54] <yeah_guy> I got the ISO from a torrent and copied it to the USB.
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4577[22:37:08] <annadane> yeah_guy, and how did you copy it
4578[22:37:08] <dvs> how did you copy it?
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4581[22:37:55] <yeah_guy> from the gui. moved from downloads to usb.
4582[22:38:10] <annadane> err
4583[22:38:17] <annadane> that's a new one
4584[22:38:35] <annadane> are you on windows or linux?
4585[22:38:42] <yeah_guy> linux
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4589[22:40:18] <dvs> so if you open the USB, do you see a .iso file?
4590[22:40:26] <yeah_guy> i've done an install from a usb on this machine before, but nothing i do works this time.
4591[22:40:39] <yeah_guy> yes, it is an .iso
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4593[22:40:55] <yeah_guy> could it have something to do with the fact that the hard drive is encrypted?
4594[22:41:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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4596[22:41:17] <greycat> ^^ how to copy the ISO image to a USB stick
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4598[22:41:41] <dvs> in linux
4599[22:42:09] <annadane> i'm very surprised what you did worked before because that's not how you're supposed to do it
4600[22:42:20] <greycat> he said he's on Linux, so.
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4605[22:43:14] <greycat> sometimes I feel like I'm the only person left who has a stack of blank CDs just lying around but would have to SCROUNGE to find a working, large-enough USB key
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4610[22:44:38] <annadane> my computer has no cd tray. :P
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4612[22:44:56] <qman__> I buy usb drives in bulk these days
4613[22:45:03] <dvs> I have stacks of blank discs and about a dozen USB drives.
4614[22:46:16] <qman__> I also have stacks of blank disks and rarely use them
4615[22:46:40] <qman__> Most of my machines don't even have optical drives anymore
4616[22:46:46] <n4dir> blank CD's here too.
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4618[22:46:54] <greycat> I've yet to see a PC without a CD drive.
4619[22:47:05] <greycat> apparently I am a caveman or something
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4621[22:47:19] <n4dir> for starters quite a few of my PC don't even boot from USB ...
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4624[22:47:34] <yeah_guy> i'm on a laptop with no cd drive.
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4657[22:58:03] <juanschwartz> I have a general question, but the OS I'm encountering it on is debian wheezy. I have a "RAID" controller on a motherboard of a server. The motherboard is a Tyan S7066WGM3NR and its RAID controller is a LSI SAS 2308. I've installed a repo from replaced-url
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4660[22:59:12] <petn-randall> juanschwartz: What steps have you tried yet?
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4665[23:00:01] <juanschwartz> i've installed pretty much every single package the to try and locate the "RAID card", even thought it's a MB built in, and have had no luck
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4668[23:00:36] <juanschwartz> no issues on my servers with Perc-i H710s, i found the megaclisas-status package worked well
4669[23:00:46] <petn-randall> juanschwartz: Usually there's a CLI tool in the package, and you run a certain command and get some output.
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4671[23:01:12] <juanschwartz> right, wondering if this one just isn't accessible because it's a MB built in or something
4672[23:01:26] <petn-randall> juanschwartz: That's why I'm asking what you tried specifically.
4673[23:01:30] <jhutchins> yeah_guy: What you did was to copy the iso file as a file. What you need to do is write the file to the USB drive so that it becomes the iso9660 filesystem.
4674[23:01:40] <juanschwartz> i installed all of the LSI megaraid packages from that list and all cli tools said no card was found
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4677[23:02:31] <jhutchins> juanschwartz: Are you sure there actualy is a "raid card" and not just a SATA controller?
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4682[23:03:48] <juanschwartz> that's what i'm wonder jhutchins
4683[23:03:55] <jhutchins> lspci should show something.
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4685[23:04:07] <juanschwartz> this is the motherboard
4686[23:04:08] <juanschwartz> replaced-url
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4690[23:05:01] <petn-randall> juanschwartz: What is the output of 'lspci -nn'?
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4693[23:06:30] <jhutchins> juanschwartz: Use a pastebin
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4698[23:08:06] <juanschwartz> replaced-url
4699[23:08:54] <jhutchins> juanschwartz: Are you using the SATA ports or the SAS ports?
4700[23:09:10] <petn-randall> my thinking, yeah.
4701[23:09:52] <juanschwartz> There's a total of 8 drives installed on the SAS backplane
4702[23:10:21] <juanschwartz> I have 2 Virtual drives. A RAID6 and a RAID1. So there should be something somewhere as the whole thing is filled up
4703[23:11:39] <jhutchins> juanschwartz: How did you set the raid up in the first place?
4704[23:11:58] <juanschwartz> through the RAID configuration during boot
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4708[23:12:53] <juanschwartz> I had one drive that was predicted to fail and I replaced it today. I am simply trying to monitor the

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