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13 [00:07:41] <annadane> xalen, use / instead of #; /join #debian-offtopic
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17 [00:10:08] <xalen> annadane: yes, sorry. It was a typo
18 [00:11:09] <ChunkzZ> anyone having issues with Kodi on stretch? I asked in #kodi but the guy said it's a known stretch issue....
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139 [01:44:32] <awal1> having troubles with 'obmenu' after cleaning some stuff, almost removing gnome stuff. obmenu want start , I get this when trying to launch it from terminal replaced-url
140 [01:44:42] <awal1> any suggestion?
141 [01:44:47] <Neo1> I'm thinking about install debian like desktop... What you suggest me?
142 [01:44:58] <ranger_175> I am looking for help with virtualbox and am getting no responses at #vbox. Can anyone here help or point me in the right direction?
143 [01:45:03] <Neo1> I want to do desktop like in windows
144 [01:45:12] <sgoodman> i'd suggest debian testing with properly set sources.list
145 [01:45:12] <awal1> won't ^
146 [01:45:27] <Neo1> just testing?
147 [01:45:32] <awal1> debian sid vm
148 [01:45:56] <Neo1> I use in VM and 2 months Used ubuntu
149 [01:46:03] <annadane> you should not recommend testing or sid willy nilly in #debian
150 [01:46:07] <awal1> Neo1, familiar with gnu/linux yet or not?
151 [01:46:10] <Neo1> I know how this work,
152 [01:46:13] <annadane> i use sid by choice but people need to be aware of what they're getting into
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154 [01:46:23] <Neo1> little, know permissions, some command
155 [01:46:28] <Neo1> LAMP
156 [01:46:32] <eck> right you should be recommending rawhide
157 [01:46:32] <awal1> go with debian stable
158 [01:46:45] <Neo1> have installed a few times VPS, have two VPS on ubuntu
159 [01:46:50] <awal1> i suggest you a nice, customizable DE, such as xfce
160 [01:46:53] <sgoodman> why not debian testing for desktop? its fine, debian stable is for servers.
161 [01:47:00] <Neo1> I know only VPS commands and very bad
162 [01:47:02] <annadane> Neo1, there are lots of desktop environments/window managers available to get a "desktop like windows"
163 [01:47:15] <awal1> like windows, go with kde
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165 [01:47:39] <awal1> if your machine is powerful
166 [01:47:45] <Neo1> sgoodman, because I do wordpress sites and on windows all servers work very slow. I need fast
167 [01:48:03] <Neo1> dual boot?
168 [01:48:05] <annadane> it depends on how much like windows you want it; kde for example as mentioned by default looks quite like windows
169 [01:48:21] <annadane> if you just want a graphical environment in general you can do that with anything
170 [01:48:21] <Neo1> annadane: what do you think about dual boot, I had ubuntu so
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172 [01:48:41] <annadane> dual boot with what, windows? you certainly can
173 [01:49:14] <Neo1> and how much GB for debian?
174 [01:49:36] <sgoodman> if you're selfhosting wordpress for dev, buy a RPI a dedicate it for development webserver
175 [01:49:49] <annadane> replaced-url
176 [01:50:07] <Neo1> I'm thinking... Common apps there exists, I didn't do this because though linux doesn't have good translator, but it has goldendict
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178 [01:50:50] <Neo1> all other windows apps has linux version
179 [01:51:06] <n4dir> there is ding, which usually translates from german to english, and the other way around, but i think there are also wordlists for other languages
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181 [01:51:35] <Neo1> teamviewr, WinSCP, keypass 2, Mutorrent, webmoney, sublime 3, chrome
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183 [01:53:40] <Neo1> all what I use can install in linux, Photoshop rarely use and only for simple edit page... Need fast server, for web developing... Windows is not suite, very slow even on my i5 and ssd disk from China
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185 [01:54:23] <awal1> n4dir, there is a pkg 'translate' (english/german, only)
186 [01:54:31] <Neo1> nothing keep me not use Linux. And every day to use it you'll begin better understand...
187 [01:54:37] <n4dir> awal1: ah, cool, thanks.
188 [01:54:41] <Neo1> guys debian is like ubuntu?
189 [01:54:54] <Neo1> yes?
190 [01:54:57] <sgoodman> no, ubuntu is like debian
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192 [01:55:11] <awal1> n4dir, I personally use 'translate-shell' cli pkg (google translate), it is good :)
193 [01:55:15] <Neo1> I can use ubuntu and this is means I can use debian?
194 [01:55:18] <sgoodman> debian is darth wader and ubuntu is luke
195 [01:55:25] <sgoodman> debian is ubuntus father, man
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197 [01:55:44] <n4dir> Neo1: imho most linux distributions are quite similar. the packagemanagement and the init-system is where they tend to differ.
198 [01:55:55] <n4dir> which may or may not be quite a difference.
199 [01:56:08] <Neo1> sgoodman: ubuntu has very big community and when I had trouble with debian I googled and see only ubuntu answers and apply from here instructions to debian, they also work
200 [01:56:24] <n4dir> switching from debian to ubuntu or the other way around should be a nobrainer though.
201 [01:56:33] <Neo1> debian very poor for googling
202 [01:56:33] <sgoodman> most tutorials apply for debian. if you're going to set up wordpress webdev env, you're good to go
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205 [01:57:23] <Neo1> n4dir: no, I want debian, just if I say I use debian people will think that I'm expert )
206 [01:57:57] <awal1> :D
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208 [01:58:17] <Neo1> sgoodman: yes, LAMP, Sublime3, WinSCP, keypass2, TeamViewer, Tor, Webmoneykeeper...
209 [01:58:20] <n4dir> just tell it whatever you use ... :-)
210 [01:58:29] <Neo1> I want install also many windows apps
211 [01:58:41] <Neo1> I already did it
212 [01:58:54] <sveta> One thing at a time.
213 [01:58:58] <awal1> Neo1, debian is very easy to use. just install a full desktop task of your choice and you almost don't need to edit anything
214 [01:59:04] <Neo1> sveta: ;)
215 [01:59:41] <sveta> (#debian-russian is also available. I rarely go there because of timezones matching, but I've joined, now.)
216 [01:59:45] <Neo1> awal1: gnome like windows can customize, I like in top panel and there can do this
217 [02:00:03] <awal1> then play with what you want in a debian guest; when satisfied apply in host
218 [02:00:08] <Neo1> all icons in the top near menu, for less do work when use mouse
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220 [02:00:29] <awal1> kde is more customizable right now
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222 [02:00:39] <Neo1> awal1: see replaced-url
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225 [02:01:08] <Neo1> awal1: replaced-url
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231 [02:02:41] <awal1> Neo1, what is that? a screenshot of windows workspace
232 [02:02:43] <awal1> ?
233 [02:02:45] <Neo1> dualboot, if want play use windows work use debian
234 [02:02:51] <Neo1> awal1: yes, windows 10
235 [02:03:26] <awal1> Neo1, we aren't not interested about windows here, sorry.
236 [02:03:35] <awal1> are not
237 [02:04:30] <Neo1> awal1: you didn't recognize windows? )
238 [02:05:24] <somiaj> it is more just off topic, and many choose to use debian or free software over windows.
239 [02:05:33] <somiaj> but we are here to support debian.
240 [02:05:51] <Neo1> sveta: debian-russian available, it's like in russian ubuntu 10 peoples :) ), better here
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243 [02:06:06] <Neo1> somiaj: well, I'll silence
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553 [07:09:25] <netsca> Not sure if this applies 100% to debian but I was trying to compile BitchX and installed libssl-dev but it kept saying it couldn't find openssl.
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555 [07:11:39] <somiaj> look at the config.log file and see what it is failing at. It could be that it just needs an loder version of ssl?
556 [07:14:01] <Nawab> apt-get install --install-recommends xserver-xorg-lts-utopic libqt5gui5 libgles1-mesa-lts-utopic libgles2-mesa-lts-utopic libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-utopic libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-utopic:i386 libglapi-mesa-lts-utopic:i386 libegl1-mesa-drivers-lts-utopic
557 [07:14:22] <Nawab> what are the names for these packages in debian?
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561 [07:16:01] <awal1> Nawab, by default debian pkg managements installs recommends by default, unless you changed that in preferences
562 [07:16:31] <Nawab> so
563 [07:16:45] <awal1> use apt/apt-get/aptitude search pkgname
564 [07:16:59] <Nawab> i just wanna play dota >_>
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566 [07:17:46] <awal1> dota?
567 [07:18:43] <Nawab> what are the drivers for opengl 3.3 in debian?
568 [07:19:22] <somiaj> debian has mesa, 'apt-cache search mesa', but this does depend on what video card driver you are using.
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577 [07:21:29] <Nawab> glxinfo | grep Mesa
578 [07:21:29] <Nawab> client glx vendor string: Mesa Project and SGI
579 [07:21:30] <Nawab> OpenGL core profile version string: 4.3 (Core Profile) Mesa 13.0.6
580 [07:21:30] <Nawab> OpenGL version string: 3.0 Mesa 13.0.6
581 [07:21:31] <Nawab> OpenGL ES profile version string: OpenGL ES 3.1 Mesa 13.0.6
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584 [07:21:57] <Nawab> so
585 [07:22:07] <Nawab> i just need to update my drivers
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587 [07:23:51] <Nawab> any help?
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591 [07:26:05] <somiaj> what drivers are you using?
592 [07:26:20] <Nawab> how do i find out?
593 [07:26:50] <somiaj> start with figuring out what video card you have, check the xorg log
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597 [07:31:35] <Nawab> AMD A6-7310 APU with Radeon R4 Graphics (2.2 GHz, up to 2.4 GHz), 2 MB cache, 4 cores
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600 [07:33:40] <netsca> I instaled libssl1.0-dev and BitchX compiled fine. Thanks for the help.
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606 [07:41:00] <somiaj> Nawab: the drivers should be find for that card, though you may need to install some non-free firwmare for it.
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608 [07:41:41] <Nawab> can you just tell the names?
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612 [07:43:36] <somiaj> in stretch firmware-amd-graphics and you need to enable non-free to get this
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615 [07:45:45] <Nawab> just tht or maybe something more?
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620 [07:47:59] <Nawab> firmware-amd-graphics is already the newest version (20161130-3).
621 [07:48:00] <Nawab> firmware-amd-graphics set to manually installed.
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625 [07:50:02] <somiaj> no, check your xorg.log to ensure you are using the drivers, but everything seems fine.
626 [07:51:12] <Nawab> how do i check xorg.log?
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628 [07:51:46] <somiaj> it is either /var/log/Xorg.0.log or $HOME/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log
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632 [07:55:00] <Nawab> i dont understand a bit of it
633 [07:55:10] <Nawab> replaced-url
634 [07:55:14] <Nawab> can you check?
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637 [07:57:32] <somiaj> looks fine, the radeon drivers are loaded and the kernel module should be using the non-free firmware.
638 [07:57:53] <Nawab> then why its not opening?
639 [07:57:54] <somiaj> what error do you get when you try to run dota (assuming this is through steam)? Try to run it from the command line and not the steam client to get errors
640 [07:58:05] <somiaj> usually due to missing libs.
641 [07:58:06] <Nawab> yes its through steam
642 [07:58:14] <Nawab> let me try again
643 [07:59:09] <Nawab> Required OPengl extension "GL_EXT_texture_compression_s3tc" is not supported
644 [07:59:19] <Nawab> :C
645 [07:59:55] <netsca> Is libtxc-dxtn-s2tc0 installed?
646 [08:00:00] <Nawab> idk
647 [08:00:03] <Nawab> let me try
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649 [08:02:55] * Zarulyakuza how are u today and merry Christmas đ
650 [08:03:22] <Nawab> merry chrsitmas
651 [08:03:47] <Zarulyakuza> Have snow today?
652 [08:04:04] <Nawab> nah its tropical :3
653 [08:04:16] <iodev> Zarulyakuza: cold, but no downfalls :(
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655 [08:04:39] <Zarulyakuza> Oh oic
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657 [08:05:01] <iodev> oic?
658 [08:05:04] <export> finally back to debian again xD everytime something happens i default back to debian lol
659 [08:05:04] <Zarulyakuza> Same me cool in waterfall there
660 [08:05:11] <somiaj> Zarulyakuza: merry christmas to you to, though this is a support channel, you may want to move to ##chat
661 [08:05:11] <export> it's very cold here...
662 [08:05:29] <Nawab> i think its working now netsca
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664 [08:05:36] <Zarulyakuza> Hmm sure?
665 [08:06:09] <iodev> export: hi!
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667 [08:06:15] <Zarulyakuza> Goo
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670 [08:06:38] <export> oops i'll go to offtopic xD i wasn't sure where i was, been drink
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672 [08:07:16] <Zarulyakuza> Hmm..
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677 [08:08:07] <Zarulyakuza> Ya ya sure
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690 [08:20:35] <Nawab> thnx netsca and somiaj
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692 [08:21:51] <netsca> np
693 [08:21:55] <Nawab> :D
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695 [08:22:32] <Nawab> just tht the network is making troubles now, i hav to wait till the beginning of next month to play it properly
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701 [08:27:27] <lucas-arg> hello all , one question, i cant launch synaptic in stretch using gnome under intel video card
702 [08:27:42] <lucas-arg> i selected x11 and wayland and still cant
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1041 [09:32:38] <dwago> hello, is there a channel with chat about creating debian packages?
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1044 [09:36:24] <somiaj> dwago: #packaging on irc.oftc.net
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1046 [09:36:30] <somiaj> dwago: but start by reading the debian new matainers guide
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1050 [09:37:43] <toruvinn> hrmf. doesn't python-lzma add support for lzma in python3 (wheezy)?
1051 [09:37:48] <toruvinn> it works in jessie+ it seems
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1055 [09:40:00] <somiaj> toruvinn: that would be python2. python3 would state python3 in the name.
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1057 [09:40:58] <somiaj> actually never mind, it might be both. I thought they usually provided seperate libaries
1058 [09:41:10] <toruvinn> somiaj, but on stretch i have python-lzma (there's no python3-lzma)
1059 [09:41:34] <toruvinn> hrmffffffff i wonder what the problem is.
1060 [09:41:34] <somiaj> yea, I'm just use to the ones they are seperate. It might be that jessie is when python3 support was added, one second.
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1062 [09:42:12] <toruvinn> somiaj, oh D: i hope not
1063 [09:42:22] <toruvinn> somiaj, i checked packages.debian.org but didnt tell me muc htbh
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1066 [09:43:26] <somiaj> check the changelog in /usr/share/doc, you might see mention of it
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1068 [09:43:53] <toruvinn> ok, thanks.
1069 [09:44:13] <dwago> somiaj: Thanks.
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1071 [09:44:32] <somiaj> well /usr/share/doc/python-lzma, I didn't see anythign in the debian changelog, but that would have been an upstream change.
1072 [09:45:01] <Nawab> somiaj: i hav another problem
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1074 [09:45:18] <Nawab> do you see the panel at the bottom?
1075 [09:45:34] <Nawab> i cant see my inventory items and gold in dota bcoz of tht
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1080 [09:47:49] <toruvinn> no /usr/lib/python3.2/lzma.py so i guess no support. hrmf.
1081 [09:47:56] <somiaj> toruvinn: I don't see anything saying if/when python3 support was added, only info abotu dropping python 2.5 and 2.6 support.
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1083 [09:48:20] <toruvinn> somiaj, same for me in the changelogs tbh.
1084 [09:49:16] <somiaj> well I'm not seeing that file provided by the stretch version either toruvinn
1085 [09:49:24] <toruvinn> somiaj, however, python3.2/ dir has nothing related to lzma after i install python-lzma, only 2.x dirs do, so i guess yeeep.
1086 [09:49:28] <toruvinn> hmmmmm
1087 [09:49:36] <toruvinn> somiaj, interesting. let's see. thanks.
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1089 [09:49:41] <somiaj> maybe you installed the python3 libaries from somewhere else
1090 [09:49:46] <somiaj> dpkg -S /path/to/that/lib
1091 [09:49:46] <dpkg> There is no record of a /path/to/that/lib package
1092 [09:50:01] <toruvinn> libpython3.5-stdlib [not powerpc] huh
1093 [09:50:13] <toruvinn> replaced-url
1094 [09:50:25] <toruvinn> and wheezy has python 3.2
1095 [09:50:36] <toruvinn> that solves it, i guess. thanks, somiaj!
1096 [09:51:00] <somiaj> ok, in stretch the package that contains /usr/lib/python3.5/lzma.py is libpython3.5-stdlib, so the python3 version was never part of the python-lmza package it seems.
1097 [09:52:00] <somiaj> I guess in wheezy it is using an older name, /usr/share/pyshared/liblzma.py
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1103 [09:58:34] <toruvinn> lol, now it seems that jessie's python3-bs4 and stretch's python3-bs4 behave differently somehow. aaarghhhhh.
1104 [09:59:43] <toruvinn> 4.3 vs 4.5, heh.
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1119 [10:08:39] <Nawab> anyone?
1120 [10:08:52] <bazhang> for what
1121 [10:11:25] <somiaj> Nawab: you mean the game doesn't appear over the pannel, but instead behind it?
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1123 [10:11:40] <somiaj> check the configureation of the game? put the pannel on auto-hide, or stuff like that
1124 [10:11:50] <Nawab> yes
1125 [10:11:57] <Nawab> i cant play like tht
1126 [10:12:05] <Nawab> its gnome
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1128 [10:12:19] <Nawab> pls help me
1129 [10:12:29] <Nawab> it was there through a gnome extension
1130 [10:12:38] <Nawab> i removed it but it still is there
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1132 [10:12:43] <Nawab> :C
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1135 [10:13:41] <Nawab> pls
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1137 [10:13:58] <Nawab> i just wanna hav some good time gaming on my debian >_>
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1143 [10:17:43] <Nawab> somiaj: can you help me again pls?
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1149 [10:19:20] <somiaj> I don't really know gnome, but look into how to configure the panel, google is useful
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1151 [10:21:01] <awal1> gnome-shell-extension-autohidetopbar
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1153 [10:22:10] <somiaj> in this case it is the bottom bar, which I think is some extension
1154 [10:22:30] <awal1> that screenshot is gnome classic mode
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1156 [10:23:06] <awal1> default top and bottom panels
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1159 [10:29:38] <awal1> is there any standard shortcut for delete a word/sentence... is text editors?
1160 [10:30:00] <awal1> something like Ctrl ^u in shells
1161 [10:31:02] <awal1> instead of Backspace, select & Delete
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1163 [10:31:47] <Nawab> its the bottom one i had through a extension tht i want to remove
1164 [10:32:10] <Nawab> i deleted tht extension, but somehow i think it remains even after tht in the configs
1165 [10:32:22] <awal1> select using shift left/right arrow, I meant
1166 [10:32:33] <Nawab> its just awful, not being able to play a game just bcoz of a stupid extension
1167 [10:32:39] <awal1> Nawab, are you using classic mode or normal gnome-shell?
1168 [10:32:46] <Nawab> gnome-shell
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1170 [10:32:57] <awal1> restart for get changes applied
1171 [10:33:05] <Nawab> i already did tht
1172 [10:33:17] <awal1> alt + f +r+ return
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1174 [10:33:24] <Nawab> thts why i didnt hav any conkly or other things there >_>
1175 [10:33:27] <awal1> f2
1176 [10:33:55] <Nawab> no tht doesnt work
1177 [10:34:06] <awal1> check stuff using gnome-tweak-tool
1178 [10:34:37] <awal1> use it for check if your extension is effectively disabled
1179 [10:34:59] <Nawab> the name was Taskbar
1180 [10:35:04] <awal1> I think that bottom panel comes with gnome-shell-extensions pkg, not individually
1181 [10:35:06] <Nawab> but i dont see it there
1182 [10:35:19] <Nawab> anyways i think i can manage >_>
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1184 [10:35:58] <awal1> I have gnome here, and tht bottom task bar can be enaled / disabled easily via gnome-tweak-tool
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1186 [10:36:27] <awal1> I do not understand why you have troubles there
1187 [10:36:30] <Nawab> which setting?
1188 [10:36:42] <Nawab> i hav nmot used gnome for some months
1189 [10:36:42] <awal1> what?
1190 [10:36:54] <Nawab> been using xfce on my desktop
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1193 [10:37:40] <awal1> well, I just have gnome around here, I am not a fun of it, I use a wm. but what i told you is the correct way for enable/disable extensions
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1195 [10:37:55] <awal1> correct/easy
1196 [10:37:57] <Nawab> yes i c
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1200 [10:43:34] <somiaj> you could try and run the command 'xkill' from the command line the click onthe pannel. That might make it go away.
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1404 [13:21:20] <zomaar> ,v firefox
1405 [13:21:21] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0.1-1; experimental: 58.0~b4-1
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1417 [13:33:25] <zomaar> What is this "firefox-release" thing in backports and how do I install it?
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1431 [13:42:27] <zomaar> ,v firefox-esr
1432 [13:42:28] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie: 52.5.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.5.0esr-1~deb9u1; buster: 52.5.0esr-1; wheezy-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.5.2esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.5.2esr-1
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1447 [13:56:38] <YourFriend> are you looking to install the latest version of firefox?
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1456 [13:59:58] <YourFriend> you can just grab it from mozilla directly; wget -O FirefoxSetup.tar.bz2 "replaced-url
1457 [14:00:19] <kale> what alternatives do i have to unison? I have the problem that every time someone uses a different version of ocaml, then unison stops working. i cannot force everyone to use the same ocaml version ...
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1460 [14:02:06] <jmd> How can I list what tap/tun interfaces are currently set up?
1461 [14:02:57] <metax> i'd prefer to install firefox from the repo
1462 [14:03:28] <metax> imagine firefox subdomain gets hacked and binaries infected with a backdoor
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1464 [14:04:03] <jmd> metax: If you're worried about that, then use torbrowser
1465 [14:04:47] <metax> is there any logic for that?
1466 [14:05:00] <metax> i don't need anonymous ip
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1468 [14:05:48] <jmd> tor is about more than being anonymous. It's about protecting you.
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1471 [14:06:06] <metax> i still can't the logic there, torbrowser is built on the firefox base
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1474 [14:06:56] <jmd> Indeed. But the tor people have taken great measures to detect and protect against binary trojans like you described.
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1476 [14:07:24] <pyc0d3r> hello here
1477 [14:07:32] <metax> hum, still the tor browser can be infected with a trojan the same way
1478 [14:07:55] <metax> it depends of what we are talking currently actually
1479 [14:07:58] <jmd> metax: It can. But it will be immediately detected and you will be warned about it.
1480 [14:08:04] <metax> there is passive and active security
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1482 [14:08:06] <zomaar> YourFriend: No I was looking to install an older version for someone.
1483 [14:08:10] <jmd> See replaced-url
1484 [14:08:21] <zomaar> YourFriend: The jessie-backports version of "firefox" however has been removed, the above is outdated.
1485 [14:08:49] <zomaar> Which is shown at replaced-url
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1488 [14:09:03] <kirk781> debian exeperimental has firefox quantum available
1489 [14:09:55] <AliSSa> Who want fuck me? - replaced-url
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1494 [14:10:08] <YourFriend> zomaar: firefox-esr is the only official way to install a version other than the current one
1495 [14:10:17] <pyc0d3r> bye
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1497 [14:10:28] <AliSSa> Who want fuck me? - replaced-url
1498 [14:10:36] <YourFriend> zomaar: if want you want to install something other than that, i'm not sure that there is an official way
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1500 [14:10:53] <nkuttler> !ops AliSSa
1501 [14:10:54] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly, petn-randall: nkuttler complains about a problem (see above)
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1503 [14:11:21] <zomaar> YourFriend: No 52-esr was fine.
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1511 [14:14:52] <AliSSa> ¿Quién quiere follarme? - replaced-url
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1513 [14:15:23] <RoyK> !ops
1514 [14:15:23] <dpkg> Please invoke 'dpkg: ops $problem' to call the operators to deal with a specific problem. Misuse of this will lead to a ban. Operators can also be contacted in the #debian-ops channel.
1515 [14:15:25] <kirk781> Someone kick AisSSa for effin's sake
1516 [14:15:33] <AliSSa> ¿Quién quiere follarme? - replaced-url
1517 [14:15:39] <RoyK> !op
1518 [14:15:43] <AliSSa> ¿Quién quiere follarme? - replaced-url
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1533 [14:18:27] <jmd> kirk781: It seems that all the ops are on Christmas break.
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1536 [14:19:13] <babilen> jmd: Does it?
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1538 [14:19:53] <jmd> babilen: If you're an op, then please kick AliSSa
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1541 [14:22:38] <zomaar> The bugger rejoined instantly with a new IP :p.
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1548 [14:25:17] <metax> it's not a bug, it's an ip change
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1557 [14:32:01] <zomaar> No probably just has several IPs connected to the same IP...
1558 [14:32:15] <zomaar> same machine
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1563 [14:34:03] <babilen> Well, if you were to take a look at the recent mode changes you would find that the issue has been dealt with for now. If you wish to discuss this further feel free to mail me.
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1565 [14:36:44] <babilen> s/mail/message naturally :)
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1637 [15:15:04] <RoyK> ,avformat.h
1638 [15:15:06] <RoyK> ,f avformat.h
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1640 [15:15:09] <RoyK> ,v avformat.h
1641 [15:15:10] <judd> No package named 'avformat.h' was found in amd64.
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1674 [15:35:31] <Dao67> Hey folks, anyone know where I can read up on troubleshooting mail issues? (Just mail in general, not any specific install)
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1681 [15:38:29] <SpeedyG> hi, i've got this google cloud compute instance with an uploaded debian image, configured to use dhcp. Porblem is that once it comes up, it does not request an Ip address and is not connecting to the network.. any clue where to look for this issue?
1682 [15:39:14] <petn-randall> SpeedyG: Can you access the machine and check the logs? They'll usually tell you.
1683 [15:40:21] <SpeedyG> I can, through the console, any specific log to check (am now browsing through syslog)
1684 [15:40:58] <SpeedyG> if I manually do a dhclient ens33, it does get an ip address.
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1687 [15:42:32] <petn-randall> SpeedyG: How have you configured dhcp?
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1689 [15:44:11] <user0> SpeedyG: does google cloud still provide ipv4 ?
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1692 [15:45:20] <SpeedyG> petn-randall: i've not configured anything specific in google cloud, and in the vm just the regular 'iface ens33 inet dhcp' line..
1693 [15:45:50] <SpeedyG> user0: it does :)
1694 [15:46:04] <user0> SpeedyG: Maybe they do not have dhcp ?
1695 [15:46:30] <SpeedyG> if they wouldnt, 'dhclient ens33' would not work either I guess .. and it does...
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1697 [15:46:42] <user0> i taked an ovh server and the ip configuration was without dhcp
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1702 [15:48:49] <SpeedyG> hm, guess I just found the problem....
1703 [15:48:56] <SpeedyG> iface ens33 does not exist, its ens4 ...
1704 [15:49:01] <SpeedyG> after a reboot it is
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1714 [15:51:27] <SpeedyG> typical case of pebcak :(
1715 [15:51:34] <SpeedyG> ehrm, pebkac ..
1716 [15:51:36] <SpeedyG> damnit
1717 [15:51:40] <SpeedyG> time to take a break I guess..
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1841 [17:12:03] <shtrb> does files under xorg.conf.d should be read when systemd move to graphical target ?
1842 [17:12:19] <shtrb> (trying to setup second instance with xserver-xorg-video-dummy)
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1845 [17:15:11] <gpunk> yes they are read
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1848 [17:16:02] <shtrb> Is there anything other than replaced-url
1849 [17:16:09] <shtrb> xrandr -q doesn't see it
1850 [17:17:00] <shtrb> neither there is a trace for the dummy driver in Xorg.0.log
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1855 [17:23:19] <gpunk> hmm i dont see why either
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1859 [17:24:56] <gpunk> can you start xorg directly without "xdm" ?
1860 [17:25:25] <gpunk> either plain Xorg or startx , then re-lookat the logs plz
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1864 [17:27:48] <Felix2> evening everyone. I've got a really annoying issue after performing a stretch upgrade... namely that apt-key appears to be completely broken. Or rather, it appears to not be used at all. Resulting in all my apt-get or apt requests that work with repos failing due to signature errors
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1867 [17:28:20] <Felix2> I've already tried all the usual fixes, such as deleting trusted.gpg and rebuilding it with apt-key add on the keyring files. However that does nothing
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1870 [17:28:37] <Felix2> Same as manually importing the keys from the keyserver with apt-key adv --recv-keys
1871 [17:28:45] <Felix2> Any help whatsoever would be appreciated
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1876 [17:31:36] <gpunk> Felix2: perso and worked; i deleted trusted.gpg and did NOT rebuild it
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1878 [17:31:50] <gpunk> i just did an apt update
1879 [17:32:37] <Felix2> interesting.
1880 [17:32:56] <Felix2> That did indeed fix your signature errors? OR didn't you get any in the first place_
1881 [17:32:57] <gpunk> did you use the "software" program of gnome ?
1882 [17:33:13] <Felix2> Are you referring to the synaptics thing?
1883 [17:33:35] <gpunk> i have no idea ...
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1886 [17:33:42] <gpunk> not synaptic the other one
1887 [17:33:46] <gpunk> the fancy one
1888 [17:34:01] <gpunk> yes it fixed signature errors
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1890 [17:34:12] <Felix2> uhh no clue what you are referring to. I only ever used the command line really
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1897 [17:34:41] <Felix2> Problem being that this is not MY machine I'm fixing so let me check for any fancy programs
1898 [17:34:52] <gpunk> ok, just checking, i thaugt that s what screwed up my trusted.pgp file
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1900 [17:35:18] <gpunk> is it under gnome DE?
1901 [17:35:32] <Felix2> yeah, its running gnome
1902 [17:35:44] <Felix2> The last thing done was a dist-upgrade from jessie to stretch
1903 [17:35:51] <Felix2> now apt-get returns signature errors :/
1904 [17:36:00] <Felix2> complete reinstall is currently not an option
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1906 [17:36:23] <gpunk> you sure the network is ok ?
1907 [17:36:26] <Felix2> Yep
1908 [17:37:11] <gpunk> recreate from scratch source.list ... ? a good copy and paste from debian website ...
1909 [17:37:23] <Felix2> I tried to get apt/apt-get to get me some verbose output of what it is doing, but I can't see any calls to apt-key or gpgv
1910 [17:37:36] <Felix2> sources.list contains ONLY the debian.org sources for stretch and stretch-updates
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1913 [17:37:56] <Felix2> the keys that it says it can't find are the jessie and stretch archive keys :/
1914 [17:37:57] <gpunk> just in case ; try another mirror
1915 [17:38:02] <Felix2> ok let me check
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1917 [17:39:39] <Felix2> same error with a different repo
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1919 [17:40:12] <Felix2> *sigh* errors with the apt secure stuff are always frustrating ...
1920 [17:40:33] <gpunk> i have no other clues sorry , yes I know
1921 [17:41:12] <gpunk> i have to go sorry
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1932 [17:56:59] <somiaj> Felix2: what is the exact error you are getting. You can rebuild /etc/apt/trusted.gpg if needed
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1934 [17:58:18] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1943 [18:02:35] <donofrio> wondering if anyone would know why I get logged off after like 20 min of not being on my debian 9 install?
1944 [18:02:50] <Felix2> somiaj: trusted.gpg IS rebuilt
1945 [18:03:00] <Felix2> the problem I get, hold on I'll do a pastebin
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1950 [18:04:06] <Felix2> somiaj: replaced-url
1951 [18:04:29] <Felix2> running the apt-key verify statements myself as root returns "good signature of debian keyring"
1952 [18:04:55] <Felix2> so it appears that the trusted.gpg is fine and works as intended. But that apt apparently calls apt-key with some weird environment variables?
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1959 [18:06:19] <somiaj> I'm not that familar with apt-key, but try method #1 to rebuild. It seems it is using info from keys already on your system in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial, as opposed to redownloading the key.
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1961 [18:06:37] <somiaj> well try method #1 on that link, I've seen that work. Also we prefer you don't use pastebin.com, to many adds.
1962 [18:06:52] <Felix2> somiaj: Whats a good alternative to pastebin? Be happy to oblige
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1964 [18:07:32] <somiaj> there are lots of them, we sugest paste.debian.net (though it can be a little slow, but it is fine)
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1966 [18:08:55] <somiaj> Felix2: you'll notice the method #1 in the link has you move the lists already downloaded, I think this forces apt to redownload the keys, and not just use the ones you have in /var.
1967 [18:09:16] <Felix2> somiaj: method #1 does not work
1968 [18:09:32] <Felix2> Already cleared the lists once before. Just redid that
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1970 [18:09:45] <somiaj> maybe your mirror is bad?
1971 [18:09:51] <Felix2> the trusted.gpg is FINE and verifies the files correctly
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1973 [18:09:52] <somiaj> try deb.debian.org?
1974 [18:09:58] <Felix2> tried that one as well
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1977 [18:10:24] <Felix2> the problem appears to be that apt calling apt-key does not verify fine, while calling it manually (not from apt) verifies the SAME files fine
1978 [18:10:28] <Felix2> :/
1979 [18:10:46] <somiaj> the error just seems to be with stretch-updates, which is only an optional repo to get stuff before the point releases.
1980 [18:11:01] <Felix2> somiaj: I just ommited the rest of the errors
1981 [18:11:17] <Felix2> it does the same for every repo, i.e. also for the stretch main repo
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1983 [18:11:44] <Felix2> The error "no pubkey" is absolute nonsense too, as those keys ARE in the trusted.gpg
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1985 [18:13:40] <somiaj> could your debian-archive-keyring package be outdated? I'm unsure what the issue could be, I just had someone else recentally who that fix worked fine for them when they damaged their trusted.gpg
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1988 [18:14:57] <Felix2> hmmm the #1 method doesn't even regenerate trusted.gpg
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1990 [18:15:18] <somiaj> did you delete the trusted.gpg before using it?
1991 [18:15:20] <Felix2> reinstalling debian-archive-keyring also doesn't regenerate trusted.gpg
1992 [18:15:22] <Felix2> yes I did
1993 [18:16:03] <somiaj> then unsure.
1994 [18:16:38] <Felix2> :/ this is also driving me nuts. Never before did I have so much trouble with secure apt ....
1995 [18:16:47] <Felix2> I'm close to purging and reinstalling all of apt
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2000 [18:20:13] <Felix2> fixed it ....
2001 [18:20:37] <Felix2> /etc/apt had the wrong permissions
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2003 [18:20:46] <Felix2> apt-key could not access /etc/apt/trusted.gpg
2004 [18:20:58] <Felix2> it of course did not complain about this. but just failed
2005 [18:21:05] <Felix2> running it as root worked fine because ... root ...
2006 [18:21:12] <Felix2> but of course apt runs at _apt instead *sigh*
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2009 [18:22:03] <somiaj> good, yea forgot that the person also had some strange permission issue too. The sandbox user _apt is new to try to provide another layer of protection.
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2011 [18:23:10] <Felix2> yeah, I get the idea... but then things start to break if permissions are old and bad :D
2012 [18:23:20] <Felix2> anyway thanks for your help :)
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2056 [19:08:08] <babyflakes> is there a way to allow all users in group foo to use su instead of the default wheel
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2061 [19:10:00] <n4dir> i didn't realize yet that a special setting is needed to use su.
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2066 [19:11:12] <apollo13> babyflakes: you mean sudo I suppose?
2067 [19:11:29] <jim> babyflakes, as near as I can recall, the wheel thing is a module of sudo... maybe you can adjust a copy of it?
2068 [19:12:15] <jim> I never did it, so I have to guess... maybe pam is involved too
2069 [19:12:40] <apollo13> hell no, editing /etc/sudoers is more than enough ;)
2070 [19:12:51] <babilen> And wheel isn't really a thing on Debian
2071 [19:12:55] <babilen> dpkg: sudoers
2072 [19:12:55] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
2073 [19:13:17] <apollo13> babilen: ah, I am using rhel way to often :)
2074 [19:13:39] <jim> maybe the OP really means su, and it's just pam
2075 [19:13:48] <babilen> We can but guess
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2077 [19:14:06] <babyflakes> i meant su
2078 [19:14:32] <babilen> The usage of "su" isn't restricted
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2103 [19:25:47] <nepomuk> Firefox ESR browser has been updated more than once recently, but it has become terribly slow when opening the first website, up to one minute.
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2105 [19:27:39] <nepomuk> Anybody having same problem with Debian 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 and firefox?
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2110 [19:32:46] <somiaj> nepomuk: I've heard of others having problems with this. Don't know what the situation is, maybe cache/userconfig. Try a blank profile/user and see if it has the same issue
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2117 [19:38:02] <nepomuk> <Somiaj>Thanks for your comment, I have Debian installed several times on various Harddisks, but the effect appears mainly with Mate and LXDE desktop. I hope for a next (and better) update
2118 [19:39:05] <pie3> any emacs user?
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2120 [19:39:19] <somiaj> pie3: just ask your question
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2122 [19:39:44] <pie3> i am getting error while installing org mode
2123 [19:39:54] <somiaj> nepomuk: do you notice a speed differnce between say mate and some other desktop on the same desktop?
2124 [19:40:08] <somiaj> pie3: there is an emacs channel that could be of better help. I don't know what org mode is, but what error?
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2126 [19:40:51] <pie3> package emacs-25.1 is unavailable somiaj
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2128 [19:42:45] <somiaj> what version of debian are your running?
2129 [19:42:52] <pie3> it is linux mint somiaj
2130 [19:42:54] <somiaj> debian doesn't have any packages by that name.
2131 [19:42:58] <somiaj> Well this is for debian support
2132 [19:43:00] <somiaj> !mint
2133 [19:43:01] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2134 [19:43:05] <nepomuk> somiaj: yes, the xfce desktop appears to be faster, but also not as fast as Chrome or Epiphany browsers.
2135 [19:43:13] <somiaj> you will have to ask mint about their package names, and why that package is not available.
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2139 [19:44:29] <somiaj> nepomuk: I am a chromium user, but I hear the new firefox written in rust is a faster than previous versions. You can download the static linked binary from mozilla.org and try that out. Note you should backup your .mozilla dir because updating versions from esr to current cannot be undone. Also expect to have to refind any extensions.
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2145 [19:46:15] <annadane> !tell pie3 about based on debian
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2147 [19:48:03] <nepomuk> somiaj: Thanks again. I shall try that. Firefox in Mint 18.2 (running presently) does not show the problem. Merry Christmas to you and good night.
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2162 [19:55:24] <seansanity> Hey I installed xfce instead
2163 [19:55:28] <seansanity> I wish it ran wayland tho
2164 [19:56:16] <somiaj> I'm unsure what it would take to get xfce on wayland. I think as of now only gnome is using waylend of the DEs
2165 [19:56:19] <somiaj> (at least in stable)
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2207 [20:25:43] <wr> virtual keyboard debian xfce ?
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2209 [20:27:25] <kale> is there a daemon or the like to tell another system that the system with the daemon has booted?
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2213 [20:28:36] <kale> i need to start some servers in the correct order. so i need to know when a server is done booting. i imagine a daemon that always starts as the last one.
2214 [20:29:01] <daemon> /etc/rc.local is called after all rc scripts finish
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2216 [20:29:18] <daemon> handy for hooking up random custom daemons but a bit hacky :)
2217 [20:29:32] <daemon> as obviously no rc/systemd controls
2218 [20:29:50] * kale found a daemon that knew
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2220 [20:30:02] <daemon> :)
2221 [20:30:10] <numbdewd> or u can open the stuff in /etc/init.d/ with "vi", and see if you can stuff a "bash /my/program 2>&1 &" or something in one of those too possibly.. :d
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2224 [20:31:21] <kale> i need to report back to another server, should i just scp a file over, or is there a better way of handling it?
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2232 [20:34:33] <VlanX> Hello. I'm having great difficulties teaching grub to load a different (older) kernel. Google is not much of help. Could someone please help me out?
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2242 [20:38:02] <mrig> VlanX: Been meaning to have a good go at this myself, I did find this tutorial which is, I think, excellent :~ replaced-url
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2246 [20:39:34] <mrig> Might not be what your are after, but really nicely written so I thought I'd share.
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2248 [20:41:02] <Cerebr0> Hi ! I'm having troubles detecting my laptop battery, does debian have any hardware detection package ?
2249 [20:41:30] <Cerebr0> I know in jessie there was hw-detect but now apt doesn't seams to find it
2250 [20:41:56] <somiaj> what do you mean by detect the battery. This should jsut be done via acpi, and acpi can talk to the firmware which knows about the battery
2251 [20:42:23] <Cerebr0> well in /proc/acpi i don't have any battery foldezr
2252 [20:42:44] <Cerebr0> + in /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0, every settings are the defaults values
2253 [20:42:57] <Cerebr0> like "Unknown" for manufacturer, "0" for charge_full, etc...
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2255 [20:43:15] <Cerebr0> and if i plug off the power supply the laptop shuts down
2256 [20:43:28] <somiaj> most things aren't in /proc these days, and acpi and/or your firmware may ahve trouble comunicating the battery
2257 [20:43:41] <somiaj> if the laptop shutsdown when you remove the ac adapter, the battery is most likely dead
2258 [20:43:53] <somiaj> the laptop running or not on the battery has nothing to do with the os
2259 [20:43:55] <Cerebr0> i tried with 4 different batteries
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2261 [20:44:06] <somiaj> it could be a connenction in the laptop to the battery.
2262 [20:44:33] <Cerebr0> It all seems good, i'm affraid it could be an electronical issue on the motherboard
2263 [20:44:59] <somiaj> have you checked your firmware? Maybe the lights on the case are blinking in such a way they are giving you a message from the firmware?
2264 [20:45:14] <Cerebr0> idk the firmware version nor the driver
2265 [20:45:19] <somiaj> I recentally had a battery die on my laptop (hoping it is the battery and not some wiring inside the laptop)
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2267 [20:45:49] <somiaj> firmware is the setup or whatever utility you can run on the machine, use to be called BIOS, but more properly it is the firmware of the mobo/laptop
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2269 [20:46:08] <cerebro> Sorry bad move, got disconnected
2270 [20:46:09] <somiaj> all of the battery power stuff should be controled by the actual firmware on the machine, and not the os running in it.
2271 [20:46:13] <somiaj> firmware is the setup or whatever utility you can run on the machine, use to be called BIOS, but more properly it is the firmware of the mobo/laptop
2272 [20:46:53] <cerebro> If my os detects the battery, its specifications, that means the smbus is running properly
2273 [20:47:03] <cerebro> so the firmware is ok
2274 [20:47:34] <numbdewd> is there a way to, using default/standard tools , base64 encode (and also decode?) raw data as in files and output as string (or back into a file).. besides with the php perl python and such..anything else from commandline like that?
2275 [20:47:57] <somiaj> not really. My firmware told me my battery existed and even said it was at 70% charge, but when I unplgged it, the machine died. Poor or dead power can do strange things.
2276 [20:48:37] <cerebro> Hum so I'll have to dig a hole for my old friend ? :-(
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2281 [20:51:15] <somiaj> cerebro: I am unsure, maybe just turn it into a portable desktop that needs to be plugged in. If you have tried multiple good batteries and they all fail, it is probably some loose connection or firmware issue in the laptop (my best guess). I doubt it is the os, as I don't think the os has any control over the battery, it just gets the battery info from the firmware (note acpi does have bugs with some
2282 [20:51:21] <somiaj> firmware, but if it worked before on debian jessie, it should still be working on stretch unless hardware issues)
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2287 [20:53:04] <cerebro> Hum okay, thanks for taking some time to answer me
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2289 [20:53:11] <annadane> somiaj, thank you for doing debian support on christmas. :P
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2291 [20:53:35] <cerebro> lol forgot about that x) sorry mate
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2294 [20:54:32] <somiaj> annadane: happy holidays to you to.
2295 [20:54:40] <somiaj> annadane: yup, I'll probably be here for all 12 days.
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2367 [21:29:17] <|subz3r0|> hi
2368 [21:29:41] <jmd> ho
2369 [21:29:50] <|subz3r0|> which package do i need to install for basic mail funtionailty? like root@local of fail2ban
2370 [21:29:55] <|subz3r0|> merry christmas btw :)
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2372 [21:30:15] <|subz3r0|> usually exim4 was installed on my older installs. on this server here there is no mta installed
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2374 [21:30:36] <apollo13> I usually install postfix
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2377 [21:31:19] <|subz3r0|> apollo13: do you know why its not preinstalled anymore? or is it maybe i used the expert install?
2378 [21:31:45] <|subz3r0|> but if i remember right, even with expert install it was installed on debian <7
2379 [21:32:03] <apollo13> no idea, I usually debootstrap and whatnot, so my package selection is bare bare minimal
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2381 [21:32:33] <|subz3r0|> so just install exim4 should to the trick for basic local mails?
2382 [21:32:47] <|subz3r0|> do
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2414 [21:46:20] <jelly> |subz3r0|, if you only need simple /var/mail/username local delivery, you might also try dma
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2416 [21:46:25] <jelly> ,i dma
2417 [21:46:26] <judd> Package dma (mail, optional) in stretch/amd64: lightweight mail transport agent. Version: 0.11-1+b1; Size: 49.8k; Installed: 148k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2419 [21:47:06] <jelly> doesn't have a port 25 listener at all
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2633 [22:41:41] <konakona_> Is gtk available on every desktop environment and window manager?
2634 [22:42:55] <towo`> if you install the nessesary libs, yes
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2636 [22:43:18] <n4dir> won't they be installed like usual, as the dependencies?
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2638 [22:43:48] <towo`> thay should
2639 [22:43:52] <towo`> *they
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2644 [22:45:23] <n4dir> :-)
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2647 [22:45:57] <konakona_> Okay good. Thanks.
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2651 [22:46:49] <konakona_> So I can write GUI applications and they should display on every desktop environment and window manager.
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2654 [22:48:44] <coruja> that's a matter of package dependencies then
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2659 [22:49:27] <hiexpo> Hi all and merry-xmas hey I installed zsh to check it out and after that when I launched my terminal it was always launching a sh terminal so I uninstalled it and after that I could not open synaptic and gotthis error The value for the SHELL variable was not found the /etc/shells file
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2665 [22:50:51] <RJo0> I would like to get Debian 9 and Xen running with wireless only. I have found that bridging doesn't seem to work with wireless.
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2667 [22:50:51] <RJo0> So I am wondering what method others are using to get Xen up with wireless only.
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2671 [22:52:54] <n4dir> hiexpo: i would look at a) man chsh (like change shell, duh) b) search the web if "update-alternatives" may help with it and c) look at the content of /etc/shells. - As far i remember chsh is the default solution, the rest is just additional.
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2676 [22:55:57] <hiexpo> n4cht, okay but what does that have to do with pkexec because i am presuming that is the problem with the shell error
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2681 [22:57:46] <n4dir> and i am assuming what i said.
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2683 [22:58:48] <n4dir> if you install zsh it usually won't be used as the default nor the login-shell. You must have done something in addition.
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2849 [23:30:09] <jelly> hiexpo, so switch to console, log in as root, and change the user's login shell back to a shell that's still installed
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2886 [23:36:09] <jhutchins> chsh - change shell.
2887 [23:36:33] <jhutchins> Ah, removed shell could be a problem.
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2934 [23:49:04] <Hydrastra> <3 Merry LulzXmas Everyone!! <3
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2944 [23:52:18] <px2ku> help
2945 [23:52:26] <px2ku> hello
2946 [23:52:41] <px2ku> Is someone onlineáș
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2949 [23:53:42] <px2ku> *cough*
2950 [23:53:55] <n4dir> the bot sure is
2951 [23:53:56] <n4dir> !ask
2952 [23:53:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2954 [23:54:02] <px2ku> ...Does someone read thisáș
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2956 [23:54:31] <px2ku> I want to have a banner...for my terminal.
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2958 [23:55:00] <px2ku> I want to dim the light..
2959 [23:55:13] <px2ku> it is way too bright.
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2973 [23:57:25] <px2ku> Seems like I am a waste of time.
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2984 [23:58:24] <n4dir> !next
2985 [23:58:24] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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