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• 1[00:01:09] <andrestorti> what book should I read to improve my knowledge of file management on the shell?
• 2[00:02:08] <andrestorti> and thank you very much for the help
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• 4[00:03:58] <somiaj> in this case it is just known as shell globbing and wild cards.
• 5[00:04:11] <somiaj> I dont' know a good book, but many guides to the shell should explain how wild cards work.
• 6[00:04:42] <somiaj> in more complex situations there is many scripting langauges that support regex (regular expressions) which gives a lot of control for matching things in a long list that meet certain criteria
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• 8[00:05:20] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 9[00:05:31] <andrestorti> thank you somiaj
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• 32[00:23:32] <ebrasca> Can I know what applycation is in some port?
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• 35[00:26:58] <somiaj> netstat can list what application is listening or using what port
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• 40[00:30:00] <seansan> hmmmm
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• 44[00:31:16] <RoyK> somiaj: use ss instead ;)
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• 46[00:31:24] <RoyK> somiaj: ss is outdated
• 47[00:31:25] <RoyK> erm
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• 49[00:31:32] <RoyK> ss is the new thing, netstat is outdated
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• 56[00:34:09] <ebrasca> ss or netstat
• 57[00:34:51] <ebrasca> mmm I have ss in my debian.
• 58[00:35:08] <somiaj> RoyK: I don't keep up with all the tools, netstat is still there and will wok
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• 60[00:36:11] <somiaj> seems ss is part of iproute2
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• 62[00:36:40] <somiaj> and it is an important package, so I guess ss is more likely to be installed than net-tools which is optional, but it is nice to know the old tools still work.
• 63[00:37:33] <ebrasca> I get this "tcp LISTEN 0 128 127.0.0.1:10025 *:*" on port 10025
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• 65[00:38:22] <somiaj> with netstat, you have to add an additional flag to list the actuall process that is using the port
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• 71[00:39:26] <somiaj> add the -p flag to netstat, though as others suggest, the new tools is ss which may be nicer and/or use newer features of the kernel.
• 72[00:39:32] <somiaj> they shoudl both be able to list the process though
• 73[00:39:50] <zu22> if it ain't broke don't fix it! netstat ftw!
• 74[00:40:16] <somiaj> its more the newer tools have features the older ones didn't have, but the older ones still work and are kept around for those who are use to them.
• 75[00:40:33] <somiaj> I like learning new things, but I'm slow at getting around to it
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• 85[00:47:57] <rant> netstat works good without pants.. netstate -pant
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• 159[01:42:46] <Eryn_1983_FL> can somebody help me with apache2?
• 160[01:42:56] <Eryn_1983_FL> what is this madness?
• 161[01:43:37] <joze> I can't
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• 163[01:44:11] <somiaj> !ask
• 164[01:44:11] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 165[01:44:35] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: though there are more specifc apache channels for apache support, but if running debian we can help with how apache works on debian.
• 166[01:45:07] <Eryn_1983_FL> replaced-url
• 167[01:45:18] <Eryn_1983_FL> so i am trying to setup the standalone login
• 168[01:45:22] <somiaj> ,v apache2
• 169[01:45:23] <judd> Package: apache2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.2.22-13+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 2.2.22-13+deb7u12; jessie: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; jessie-security: 2.4.10-10+deb8u11; stretch: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; stretch-security: 2.4.25-3+deb9u3; buster: 2.4.29-1; sid: 2.4.29-1
• 170[01:45:34] <Eryn_1983_FL> top example loging form w/o the success url
• 171[01:45:50] <Eryn_1983_FL> er http location url
• 172[01:46:11] <somiaj> maybe others can help, but a more deticated apache channel may help to. I'm not that familar with apache
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• 178[01:50:26] <ebrasca> Yea now amavis work.
• 179[01:51:07] <somiaj> Eryn_1983_FL: #httpd might give some help if no one else responds.
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• 191[01:55:24] <Eryn_1983_FL> 19:53:02 Eryn_1983_FL | replaced-url
• 192[01:55:27] <Eryn_1983_FL> 19:54:01 Eryn_1983_FL | replaced-url
• 193[01:55:29] <Eryn_1983_FL> 19:54:56 Eryn_1983_FL | replaced-url
• 194[01:55:33] <Eryn_1983_FL> so these are my pastebins
• 195[01:56:02] <Eryn_1983_FL> I explained above where i am getting my info.. am I understanding this right?
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• 280[03:07:59] <steven_saus> While I'm definitely not the X expert, I don't have either of those in /etc/X11/. Instead I have a little script that uses xinput.
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• 283[03:09:33] <ghormoon> I have no idea where to set what, but I found relevant option in mangpage of Xorg.conf
• 284[03:09:53] <steven_saus> Here's the bash script I use: replaced-url
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• 286[03:10:33] <steven_saus> Just make sure TouchPad is part of the name when you do xinput --list
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• 288[03:10:40] <steven_saus> Otherwise you'll have to edit that bit.
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• 294[03:13:13] <ghormoon> ok, not that easily, "property 'SoftButtonAreas' doesn't exist, you need to specify its type and format"
• 295[03:14:50] <steven_saus> Huh.
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• 297[03:15:09] <steven_saus> OH, you're trying to change those bits. Herm.
• 298[03:15:18] <steven_saus> (Sorry, on pain meds, so a little fuzzy.)
• 299[03:15:38] <ghormoon> hm, list-props doesn't show anything like this :(
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• 302[03:15:58] <ghormoon> the problem is that I way too often part channels by clinking on them as it takes it as middle button instead of left :D
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• 304[03:16:06] <toothe> hi all. is anyone here using systemtap?
• 305[03:16:11] <toothe> if so, which version are you running?
• 306[03:16:15] <ghormoon> (and does a lot of tabs in browsers etc.
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• 314[03:18:21] <ghormoon> I need to turn it off, so either make it zero size or something like that or just disable middle button on touchpad (not on real buttons though)
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• 316[03:19:09] <steven_saus> What does list-props show?
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• 318[03:19:23] <toothe> I suspect this is a bug from an unpatched version of Systemtap.
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• 320[03:19:37] <steven_saus> (I typically turn off the touchpad altogether because my palms drag across it)
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• 323[03:19:49] <ghormoon> replaced-url
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• 389[04:26:30] <awal1> apart blacklisting 'pcspkr', is there any other way for disable bell on console?
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• 391[04:26:58] <somiaj> I have 'set bell-style none' in my ~/.inputrc, which disables the bell for shells
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• 393[04:27:30] <awal1> I would like to avoid to run 'setterm -blength 0' everytime I reset console (tty)
• 394[04:27:38] <awal1> somiaj, I was reffering to tty's
• 395[04:27:52] <somiaj> shell doesn't matter if it is a tty or an xterm
• 396[04:28:04] <somiaj> this is a factor of the shell, not the tty
• 397[04:28:27] <awal1> oh, ok
• 398[04:28:35] <awal1> thanks
• 399[04:28:41] <awal1> no reboot needed , eh?
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• 404[04:30:50] <somiaj> just relogin
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• 415[04:34:10] <cr1t1cal> how often does debian testing get updated in terms of security updates
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• 423[04:42:32] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: in general testing does not get any security updates, these have to filter in through sid, whcih can take 10+ days
• 424[04:42:45] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: very serious secuirty issues do get escilated to be much faster, but this is rare
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• 427[04:44:20] <awal1> thanks somiaj, set bell-style none did the trick (needing reboot)
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• 432[04:45:37] <awal1> I use startx (X in tty 1) if I close my tty2 I get switched automatically to tty1 and all freezes then :(
• 433[04:46:01] <somiaj> that file should have been reparsed if you would have logged out and logged in.
• 434[04:46:17] <cr1t1cal> somiaj: what is quicker. debian testing or gentoo?
• 435[04:46:22] <somiaj> usnure what is happening there, with systemd tty's are more dynamic
• 436[04:46:29] <cr1t1cal> somiaj: not necessraily on topic but would appreciate some advice
• 437[04:46:38] <awal1> close tty2 means if I exit my tty2 session
• 438[04:46:52] <somiaj> cr1t1cal: depends. Some things debian gets from upstream faster, others gentoo, but I think most would say gentoo and arch get upstream faster (since there is less work to package it)
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• 440[04:47:02] <awal1> well, it just happens using startx, no problems when using a dm
• 441[04:47:09] <Shmam> I'm getting timeout errors when I try to start mariadb replaced-url
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• 443[04:48:08] <awal1> somiaj, tty's dinamic with systemd?
• 444[04:48:10] <awal1> you mean?
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• 447[04:48:58] <somiaj> awal1: meaning they are created/destoryed on the fly, unlike sysvrc would create them all at boot.
• 448[04:49:00] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1605
• 449[04:49:06] <somiaj> so tty2 doesn't exist until you open it, and when you close it, it might be removed
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• 451[04:49:33] <somiaj> but unsure on the details here
• 452[04:50:41] <awal1> well, if I login in tty1 with user A to launch X (startx) , then I login with same user in tty2 for launch moc, and then i exit my session in tty2 (exit command), why should systemd switch me back to tty1 automatically? I may want to login with another user in same tty
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• 455[04:51:45] <awal1> well , switch me may not be too annoying, but getting my X frozen bcoz of that is very annoying
• 456[04:51:58] <awal1> I had to use 'reisub' 3 times today
• 457[04:52:08] <Shmam> please anyone? I tried to install on a brand new fresh machine as well as my laptop and neither worked
• 458[04:53:50] <Neo1> hi
• 459[04:53:58] <awal1> so tty's in the fly, like workspace in the fly with gnome shell. a new 'debian systemd-gnome OS' ...
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• 461[04:54:13] <Neo1> what is differ between ubuntu and debian? it seems equal OS?
• 462[04:54:23] <Neo1> and all of linux also equal?
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• 464[04:55:13] <Neo1> and who of you use debian in home as desktop OS? Probably nobody?
• 465[04:55:21] <xormor> Neo1, I do!
• 466[04:55:25] <steven_saus> Er, I do.
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• 468[04:55:34] <Shmam> Me too! with KDE! :D
• 469[04:55:36] <Neo1> I'm thinking about suite it for desktop or not ?
• 470[04:55:48] <Shmam> depends on what you want to do on ur desktop
• 471[04:55:48] <xormor> Neo1, well... Debian is like a basic Linux. I prefer "stable" but use backports.
• 472[04:55:48] <awal1> very suitable
• 473[04:56:04] <xormor> I use the MATE desktop.
• 474[04:56:18] <Neo1> xormor, and you have all needed apps? I think you probably use only internet browser and nothing else? yes?
• 475[04:56:23] <Shmam> but the real question is if any of you can get mariadb installed on my machines
• 476[04:56:37] <xormor> Neo1, well, I play games and program and use the calculator.
• 477[04:57:01] <Neo1> and how you play?
• 478[04:57:07] <Neo1> windows game?
• 479[04:57:10] <steven_saus> Keyboard and mouse. :)
• 480[04:57:17] <Shmam> every time I install it (purge everi tiem) I get different errors and it just times out. Like please, I'll paste anny log that you need and I just need to get it running so badly: replaced-url
• 481[04:57:41] <Neo1> I play in dota2 and csgo, shall I play this game in debian?
• 482[04:57:47] <Neo1> it's steam and windows
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• 484[04:57:56] <xormor> Neo1, and I use text editors, listen to music from CD, from Spotify, from YouTube, from the browser. I use this for banking occasionally. I install all kinds of apps and try them. I made a "localhost" replaced-url
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• 486[04:58:08] <steven_saus> CSGO is on Steam running under linux.
• 487[04:58:23] <xormor> Neo1, I have not *noticed* Trojans and rootkits on my Debian systems. I use DosBox and WINE to play MS-DOS and old Windows games.
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• 489[04:58:38] <Shmam> if any of you want a real challenge, try to help me get mariadb installed
• 490[04:58:39] <Neo1> xormor, I see many apps have linux version as well
• 491[04:58:39] <Shmam> pls
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• 494[04:58:49] <xormor> I used Steam, too. But I do not need it anymore. Quake 2 works better on the other machine.
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• 496[04:58:55] <sveta> Neo1, see replaced-url
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• 499[04:59:25] <xormor> I like to install and configure. I used an inkjet printer, that I had to install with a script from HP.
• 500[04:59:30] <Neo1> sveta: ok
• 501[04:59:55] <xormor> I use my cell phone for a lot of things nowadays. This computer might become obsolete for me - so I could move to just the cell phone.
• 502[05:00:10] <xormor> PC's are nowadays mostly for gaming, sometimes for servers and programming.
• 503[05:00:12] <Neo1> xormor: see how many apps I use replaced-url
• 504[05:00:23] <sveta> Neo1: i also sent you a couple private messages, not sure if they were delivered
• 505[05:00:24] <Shmam> ples someone kind to help someone install mariadb pls pleeease
• 506[05:00:31] <Neo1> bad in linux not exists normal translator
• 507[05:00:34] <sveta> Shmam: install the mariadb package
• 508[05:00:40] <Neo1> I used abby lingua 6
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• 511[05:00:51] <Shmam> I did and I get the following errors: replaced-url
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• 514[05:01:15] <sveta> Neo1: skype works in debian as well as ubuntu, but only 64bit
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• 516[05:01:42] <Neo1> xormor: linux doesn't have translator like abby lingua 6 therefore I'll use windows
• 517[05:01:49] <xormor> Neo1, good.
• 518[05:01:50] <sveta> Neo1: you will need to use apps from the non-free repository; it means they can control your own computer, but no source code is available
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• 521[05:02:04] <Neo1> sveta: yes, and keypass, and teamviewer
• 522[05:02:05] <Shmam> sveta: please I really need help. replaced-url
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• 524[05:02:10] <Neo1> winSCP too
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• 526[05:02:16] <sveta> Neo1: goldendict is available for linux, but it does not translate sentences or phrases only words
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• 529[05:02:32] <Neo1> sveta: Possibly install there webmoney too
• 530[05:02:40] <xormor> I use Windows when necessary, otherwise I use X Window System or a virtual console (virtual tty).
• 531[05:03:00] <sveta> Neo1: on debian I use commandline sftp client, but I think there are some graphical sftp clients available, replaced-url
• 532[05:03:04] <sveta> ... several
• 533[05:03:20] <Neo1> doesn't work photoshop and
• 534[05:03:23] <Shmam> but how bout those databases? amirite?
• 535[05:03:24] <Neo1> sveta: see this replaced-url
• 536[05:03:34] <somiaj> sveta: non-free doesn't always mean no source code is avaiable, gnu documentation is non-free
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• 538[05:03:48] <Neo1> photoshop and illustrator won't work there
• 539[05:03:49] <Shmam> like specifically mariadb and how difficult it is to install
• 540[05:03:51] <Neo1> exactly
• 541[05:03:59] <Shmam> try WINE
• 542[05:04:18] <Shmam> you might be able to run them with wine
• 543[05:04:22] <sveta> Shmam it might be an apparmour issue replaced-url
• 544[05:04:32] <Neo1> grammarly
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• 546[05:04:44] <somiaj> Neo1: do you have a debian support question?
• 547[05:04:47] <sveta> somiaj: thanks
• 548[05:04:50] <Shmam> sveta: Yeah I read that but I have no idea what apparmour is and I haven't installed it
• 549[05:05:07] <sveta> somiaj: Neo1 is moving from win10 to debian, just checking things out, there's more than one question
• 550[05:05:18] <sveta> Shmam: it probably is installed by default
• 551[05:05:32] <Shmam> ok I'll try those steps then
• 552[05:05:33] <Neo1> somiaj: no, I'm going to install it on vmware, will have later afterwards )
• 553[05:05:37] <Shmam> PLS obama let this work
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• 555[05:05:54] <sveta> Neo1: use gimp or inkspace (failing that, specify the desired features, there may be another app for this)
• 556[05:05:57] <somiaj> sveta: wasn't sure, so I figured I'd try to stear the conversation back to no topic
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• 558[05:06:09] <sveta> Neo1: they do photo editing
• 559[05:06:34] <Neo1> sveta: other apps also won't work such like apps for freelancer.com and upwork.com
• 560[05:06:39] <sveta> somiaj: I agree with you, it's a little ad-hoc conversation
• 561[05:06:41] <somiaj> Neo1: I have used debian as my only os for desktop (including gaming) for 10+ years, but there will be things that are different, or software you may want to run that you won't be able to.
• 562[05:06:58] <sveta> Neo1: you could try to run them in 'wine', failing that, provide the description of symptoms
• 563[05:07:12] <Neo1> viber and watsapp
• 564[05:07:21] <Shmam> Neo1: Check this out: replaced-url
• 565[05:07:26] <somiaj> I chose to find alternative software for what I need, but that is because I like the stability of debian along with many other thigns, but it isn't for everyone.
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• 567[05:08:03] <Neo1> sveta: wine badly works
• 568[05:08:42] <somiaj> Neo1: blakent statements will be false, wine doesn't work on everything, but for many apps it works just fine to get windows binaries to function in linux
• 569[05:08:43] <Neo1> how to work with wine it's much read, I've seen their site
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• 573[05:09:38] <Neo1> somiaj: see we can run linux on vmware and use, It will fast work, You won't notice differences even )
• 574[05:09:41] <somiaj> Neo1: you seem more trying to critisize linux or challange the room as opposed to be looking for actual information or how to deal with a paticular solution.
• 575[05:10:12] <somiaj> yes debian works just fine in vms, and for many that is what they use it for.
• 576[05:10:31] <Neo1> ok, I won't
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• 578[05:10:49] <Neo1> somiaj: and use both OS
• 579[05:11:12] <somiaj> sure, debian supports your freedom to use what you want, this channel is for debian support though.
• 580[05:11:58] <Neo1> will accessible all programs from debian and from windows, I can install server LAMP on my vmware and tests there sites and it will work very fast
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• 582[05:12:16] <Neo1> well, I'll silence
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• 584[05:12:28] <Shmam> Neo1: I have Virtualbox installed on one of my debian servers so I can run windows programs really easily
• 585[05:12:33] <Shmam> you can do that if you want
• 586[05:12:36] <somiaj> so if you have any questions about your debian vm, feel free to ask.
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• 589[05:13:03] <Neo1> Shmam: virtualbox is bad it isn't support video drivers, use vmware,
• 590[05:13:31] <Neo1> in vmwire linux works significantly faster, I've already checked
• 591[05:13:50] <Neo1> remove that virtual box, it's useless thing, use vmware!
• 592[05:13:53] <somiaj> Neo1: we try to support open software here that meets the DFSG. vmware does not.
• 593[05:14:09] <Shmam> I've never had a problem with it. Like somiaj said though, if you have questions about debian then post them, I was just trying to give a suggestion
• 594[05:14:42] <somiaj> there is also qemu-kvm as another virtualizing enviorment, or even xen, each has its pros and cons.
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• 596[05:15:44] <Neo1> somiaj: on their download page was red label, that this version doesn't support linux replaced-url
• 597[05:15:44] <Neo1> now probably they've corrected this issue
• 598[05:16:11] <sveta> Neo1: yes, virtualbox runs on linux
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• 600[05:16:31] <somiaj> you can even install it from the debian repos. Due to orcal policy and secuirty support, you have to install it from stretch-backports though.
• 601[05:16:32] <dtux> anyone know of a package that will simulate a webcam (to fool my browser)?
• 602[05:16:45] <Neo1> I've installed it a few times and works so slow. support free software.... better use pram software free ))) its joke. I've understood
• 603[05:17:03] <Shmam> dtux: why dont you just get a super cheap usb camera?
• 604[05:17:20] <Shmam> they are actually sooo cheap it's not even funny
• 605[05:17:33] <sveta> dtux: replaced-url
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• 607[05:18:10] <Neo1> sveta: probably now will work fast, but after that slow troubles , I'll use only vmware)
• 608[05:18:13] <Shmam> ooo yea that will prob work. good ol qv4l2. *Nightmares*
• 609[05:18:16] <somiaj> Neo1: I still fail to see debian support in your comments, you still seem to be wanting to critisize things and support things that are against the DFSG.
• 610[05:18:45] <sveta> Neo1: I sent you a few private messages, perhaps I could clarify you DFSG so that you feel a bit easier here
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• 612[05:19:20] <dtux> Shmam: because what im trying to do wont be worth it if i have to spend any money (or wait for something really)
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• 614[05:19:36] <dtux> sveta: interesting ty
• 615[05:19:57] <Shmam> dtux: ok then. qv4l2 loopback seems promising
• 616[05:20:50] <Shmam> Also unrelated question: is it safe to use "apt" everywhere that I see "apt-get" in tutorials? from what I understand, apt is the more user friendly version
• 617[05:21:37] <somiaj> Shmam: in general that is what is suggested
• 618[05:22:06] <Shmam> ok cool that's what I thought but I'm trying to rule out every possible point of human error in this installation
• 619[05:22:08] <somiaj> note apt won't support everything apt-get does, but it is a more simplified/unified program designed for an end user, while apt-get is now more inteded for scripting (and thus can't change to much)
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• 621[05:22:33] <Shmam> what won't it support? like certain features not packages right?
• 622[05:22:35] <somiaj> i.e. if you have some comlicated script that uses apt-get, stay that way, but for a user typing in a command, apt is the suggested tool
• 623[05:23:02] <somiaj> Shmam: correct, mostly more advanced features for scripts, and to keep a more simplified set of options that a user running it manually in a terminal would need
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• 625[05:23:19] <somiaj> also apt is not guarnteed to not change in the future (like apt-get), so dont' use it in scripts
• 626[05:23:22] <Shmam> ok so I should be fine using apt then cool
• 627[05:23:34] <Shmam> hotel wifi is soooo slow jeez
• 628[05:23:51] <Shmam> 2mbps
• 629[05:24:06] <Shmam> gonna take 20 mins to install mariadb. hold ma beer
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• 637[05:31:21] <flashdance93> curious to find out if the next generation of the debian os will have a built in driver for three monitors?
• 638[05:31:36] <somiaj> what do you mean by built in driver for three monintors?
• 639[05:31:43] <somiaj> debian currently supports multihead setups
• 640[05:31:48] <somiaj> and has for quite some time
• 641[05:32:02] <flashdance93> ubunut has multi monitor drivers built in to support three monitors simultaneously
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• 643[05:32:22] <flashdance93> I just need to figure out how to install them or maybe they are supported
• 644[05:32:27] <somiaj> debian can do that just fine, and has been able to for a while.
• 645[05:32:37] <flashdance93> oh that is great
• 646[05:32:49] <somiaj> you are not clear, are these monintors all plugged into the same network card, or different network cards? What sort of display do you want?
• 647[05:32:53] <flashdance93> I'm going to try the latest version
• 648[05:33:17] <flashdance93> its a graphics card that supports three monitors
• 649[05:33:40] <somiaj> what graphics card?
• 650[05:33:51] <flashdance93> one sec
• 651[05:35:16] <flashdance93> xfx radeon hd 5770 1gb pci e ddr 5
• 652[05:36:26] <flashdance93> had to install the drivers manually back in jan 2011 for debian to work
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• 656[05:37:47] <somiaj> debian just wont' ship with non-free firmware or drivers by default.
• 657[05:38:01] <somiaj> that should work just fine with the radeon driver, but for better support you would need the non-free firmware insatlled
• 658[05:38:44] <flashdance93> okay that is great thank you for the update, I'll give it a go
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• 663[05:43:53] <Shmam> Hey whatdoyakno a different error when installing mariadb this time! replaced-url
• 664[05:44:59] <somiaj> we don't really support unoffical repos here
• 665[05:45:05] <somiaj> why don't you use the packages provided by debian?
• 666[05:45:53] <somiaj> also where did you get this mysql-client-core-5.5 package from?
• 667[05:45:56] <somiaj> ,v mysql-client-core-5.5
• 668[05:45:58] <judd> No package named 'mysql-client-core-5.5' was found in amd64.
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• 670[05:46:33] <somiaj> either way, we don't really support unoffical packages here, you'll have to contact the creator of these packages.
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• 675[05:50:00] <Shmam> judd: I have no clue! this is a fresh install of debian and all I did was "sudo apt install mariadb-server"
• 676[05:50:01] <judd> No package named 'have' was found in stretch/all.
• 677[05:50:42] <somiaj> Shmam: you are getting packages from replaced-url
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• 682[05:51:35] <Shmam> here is my sources.list: replaced-url
• 683[05:51:54] <Shmam> should I remove that last line? it's commented out so it shouldn't do anything right?
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• 686[05:52:16] <Shmam> and by that I mean the one above it that isn't commented out that I should remove?
• 687[05:52:23] <somiaj> well you are mixing jessie and stretch sources, on top of that you are using unoffical sources, it is hard to support that setup.
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• 689[05:52:52] <somiaj> and the issues you are running into are due to this mixing, if you would have used only stretch sources and installed mariadb from offical stretch sources, it should have just worked.
• 690[05:53:14] <linuxthefish> Shmam "chromium" is in the debian repos, it's the open source version of chrome
• 691[05:53:28] <linuxthefish> that way you don't need to mess around with additional sources
• 692[05:53:36] <Shmam> I prefer chrome >_>
• 693[05:53:38] <Shmam> sorry
• 694[05:53:43] <linuxthefish> fair enough lol
• 695[05:53:46] <Shmam> I had chromium installed earlier
• 696[05:53:49] <somiaj> the google-chrome repo isn't that bad, though the current issues Shmam is having is due to the packages from an unoffical third party repo, which debian cannot support.
• 697[05:53:54] <Shmam> but back to the task at hand
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• 699[05:54:28] <somiaj> it isn't that all third party repos are bad, but many are, they aren't that well tested, and #debian cannot support them because we have no control over them.
• 700[05:54:57] <linuxthefish> i learnt that lesson the hard way :(
• 701[05:55:02] <Shmam> so I have commented out the last two lines now
• 702[05:55:11] <Shmam> now wat
• 703[05:55:24] <Shmam> replaced-url
• 704[05:55:29] <linuxthefish> Shmam the jessie stuff is more of an issue
• 705[05:56:06] <somiaj> it really shouldn't be since jessie versions are < stretch versions, but with these unoffical sources it is hard to say what the problem is.
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• 707[05:56:36] <somiaj> Shmam: you will also have to clean up any thing that these unoffical repos installed or did to your system.
• 708[05:56:55] <Shmam> so lines 22 & 23 should be removed?
• 709[05:57:00] <Shmam> or what?
• 710[05:57:34] <linuxthefish> just line 23, but it might be best to start with a new sources list and do a dist-upgrade if you want jessie
• 711[05:57:39] <somiaj> Shmam: I'm unsure what is best at this point. But yes, remove that unoffical repo, clean up any packages you got from there (try running apt-get -f install)
• 712[05:57:52] <somiaj> linuxthefish: dist upgrade will not go from stretch to jessie, that is backwards
• 713[05:58:11] <linuxthefish> ok ignore me it's 4am and i can't sleep :p
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• 717[06:00:10] <Shmam> is this a problem: replaced-url
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• 719[06:01:12] <somiaj> Shmam: just a warning, I think you also have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ making it so you have the google-chrome sources twice.
• 720[06:01:15] <linuxthefish> Shmam you have additional repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
• 721[06:01:41] <somiaj> warnings are not a problem, but it is letting you know you have ducplicates (because the google-chrome package will install a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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• 723[06:02:52] <Shmam> ok ill fix that one later
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• 725[06:03:46] <somiaj> You should comment out the jessie lines for now to be safe, then you should run apt update, then apt-get -f install, then aptitude search ~o
• 726[06:04:01] <somiaj> the last one will search for packages you have on your system that are not in your sources, remove all the ones related to mairadb
• 727[06:04:24] <somiaj> it will also list any of the stuff you have from jessie that is no longer in stretch, this might not be a problem, but remove the things you don't need and can get in stretch
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• 729[06:05:56] <Shmam> somiaj: "aptitude command not found" when exe the last one
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• 731[06:06:04] <Shmam> should I use apt search ~o?
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• 734[06:07:22] <Shmam> apt search seemed to work. maybe? "Sorting... done full text search...done"
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• 736[06:07:49] <Shmam> trying to install mariadb
• 737[06:08:26] <Shmam> nope failed again whoopdiedoo yeay
• 738[06:08:52] <somiaj> Shmam: no you need aptitude for this, you can install it
• 739[06:09:05] <somiaj> it isn't installed by default anymore, but it has some more advanced features that apt and apt-get do not
• 740[06:09:10] <somiaj> such as searching for oboslete packages.
• 741[06:09:40] <somiaj> Shmam: again until you fix all the issues you created by using this third party repo, things will have trouble. Is this a vm? can you reinstall (sometimes that is quicker than fixing things).
• 742[06:09:52] <somiaj> but on a clean stretch system, one should not have the problems you are having installing mariadb
• 743[06:10:01] <Shmam> no this is my laptop :(
• 744[06:10:09] <Shmam> not vm
• 745[06:10:22] <Shmam> replaced-url
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• 747[06:10:32] <somiaj> that last command aptitude search ~o and cleaning up the oblsets packges is important in fixing things
• 748[06:11:01] <somiaj> ,v php5-common
• 749[06:11:02] <judd> Package: php5-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u11; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
• 750[06:11:20] <somiaj> Shmam: and there you have jessie packages, with all the mixing it is gonna take a while to fix things
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• 752[06:11:23] <somiaj> I think you should read this
• 753[06:11:25] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 754[06:11:26] <dpkg> methinks dont break debian is replaced-url
• 755[06:11:43] <somiaj> and if you don't want to try to track down these issues, backup, reinstall, and don't break debian in the future. (:
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• 757[06:12:06] <Shmam> well shit I wish I would have known about that earlier
• 758[06:12:14] <Shmam> I'll have to read that tomorrow
• 759[06:13:05] <Shmam> judd: are thost the things that I should apt purge?
• 760[06:13:20] <somiaj> Shmam: judd is a bot.
• 761[06:13:33] <Shmam> no way
• 762[06:13:35] <somiaj> Shmam: can you share the output of apt-cache policy please
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• 765[06:14:20] <Shmam> replaced-url
• 766[06:14:26] <jhutchins> I "upgraded" from lenny to stretch, now my samba shares aren'nt visible to my android devices. Any idea what I need to change?
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• 769[06:15:15] <somiaj> jhutchins: you went through each release on the way right? There was a major samba upgrade somewhere a long the line that changed things, you may have to edit or create your smb.conf file. I don't know the details onw hat changed.
• 770[06:15:38] <somiaj> I think the major upgrade was in jessie (actually caused a problem where they upgraded major versions inside the jessie release for security issues breaking many things)
• 771[06:15:55] <jhutchins> somiaj: No, I built a new stretch install and jumped to it.
• 772[06:16:20] <somiaj> jhutchins: ahh, so just copying over configs?
• 773[06:16:21] <jhutchins> somiaj: Guess I spend tomorrow reading changelogs.
• 774[06:16:30] <somiaj> ,v samba
• 775[06:16:31] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1
• 776[06:16:50] <somiaj> jhutchins: iit was the 4.1 to 4.2 change, there was something about secuirty issues and abi changes there.
• 777[06:16:55] <somiaj> jhutchins: at least that is my recall
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• 779[06:16:57] <jhutchins> somiaj: Yeah, pretty much. Mounted shares work.
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• 781[06:17:29] <somiaj> Shmam: you have ubuntu ppa sources in there and other mess, you system is just quite broken by debian standards and we just can't support it here. Which I've said a few times already.
• 782[06:17:29] <jhutchins> Oh boy. Secure me from my own files. Yay.
• 783[06:17:29] <Shmam> soo ahh anything interesting in that apt cache policy?
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• 786[06:17:45] <somiaj> Shmam: yes, only more red flags that you have a system that will not be supported by us.
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• 788[06:18:01] <somiaj> I don't want to help you track downa nd try to fix the damage you have done, a reinstall might be best, after you read that don't break debian guide
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• 790[06:18:46] <Shmam> ok well can you provide some simple steps to finding and fixing damage? I really don't know where to start
• 791[06:18:51] <somiaj> Shmam: baiscally apt gives you the power to mix things, but this is bad and we don't want to support it because if you were running purely stretch repos, you would not be in this mess.
• 792[06:19:10] <somiaj> Shmam: there is no simple steps, you have to read each error you get, try to debug it and figure it out one at a time.
• 793[06:19:19] <somiaj> read that don't break debian link, and just realize we don't want to support the mess you created
• 794[06:19:26] <somiaj> !frankendebian
• 795[06:19:26] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 796[06:20:02] <Shmam> but where do I find the errors? do I have to go through every package?
• 797[06:20:25] <somiaj> Shmam: well if apt-get -f install runs jsut fine, from there try to install mariadb, and fix any error that it gives you
• 798[06:20:30] <jhutchins> Shmam: "simple steps" don't really exist, that's why we recommend against it.
• 799[06:20:39] <somiaj> but you may have other things causing the problem, so each upgrade, each time you try to install a package, you may have to fix the issues.
• 800[06:21:22] <Shmam> yeah but I want to un-franken to prevent future stuff. can I just uninstall everything
• 801[06:21:23] <Shmam> wait
• 802[06:21:28] <Shmam> no
• 803[06:21:33] <Shmam> it cant be
• 804[06:21:40] <jhutchins> Shmam: Clean install.
• 805[06:21:56] <somiaj> Shmam: backup - reinstall is the probably the fastest method. Someone who really understood how apt works could maybe work their way out of this mess (though most woudlnt' be in the mess to start with)
• 806[06:22:37] <Shmam> and to prevent this kind of thing from happening, I need to install things only for stretch as they have been tested to work on stretch
• 807[06:22:40] <somiaj> but it doesn't sound like you have the experience with debian to work yourself out of it, and I don't want to help except give you the advise, read that article on don't break debian, backup and reinstall.
• 808[06:22:56] <jhutchins> Actually, even someone who is an apt ninja might spend weeks recovering.]
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• 810[06:23:34] <jhutchins> Anyone who knew what they were doing would just cut the drama and reinstall.
• 811[06:23:51] <somiaj> Shmam: correct, if you stick to only the packages provided by debian stretch you should not run into this. Now not everything you may want to use will be inside the stretch repos, and there are some proper ways to get third part stuff on your system. But first I would reinstall and stick only to stretch packages. When you find something you can't get in stretch, come ask here for advise on how to install
• 812[06:23:57] <somiaj> it so it won't break your system.
• 813[06:24:59] <SirLagz> lol...I like how dpkg's frankendebian response points users to ##linux
• 814[06:25:08] <somiaj> Shmam: debian stretch from the freeze to release had months and months of testing by lots of users to ensure that things work.
• 815[06:25:33] <somiaj> Shmam: part of the reason debian packages are a bit 'outdated' by some is the amount of testing that goes into ensure things work well
• 816[06:25:43] <Shmam> I just dont understand how it got this bad... I've installed maybe 20 packages total on this machine. it's pretty new
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• 821[06:26:30] <Shmam> I just dont want to lose all of my files and configurations. yea I know that I can backup this stuff but I don't really have downtime scheduled and things need to get done
• 822[06:26:57] <somiaj> Shmam: well the amount of time you have spent on this you could have backup and reinstalled by now.
• 823[06:27:22] <Shmam> yeah but I didn't know how screwed up my machine was
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• 825[06:27:29] <Shmam> like I'm freaking out right now
• 826[06:27:36] <SirLagz> Shmam: how did you screw it up in the first place?
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• 831[06:28:06] <somiaj> well it could be not that bad, the problem is we dont' nkow and there is no easy way to just tell. You could try to clean it up, but you will have to deal with things that may not work as expected.
• 832[06:28:29] <Shmam> SirLagz: I installed packages from non-stretch to my stretch system and created a frankin system
• 833[06:28:31] <somiaj> SirLagz: mixing stretch packages, with some jessie packages, some ubuntu packages, and an unoffical mariadb repo. Could be not to bad.
• 834[06:28:47] <SirLagz> Shmam: what ever in the world made you think that doing that would be good idea?!?
• 835[06:28:54] <Shmam> I didn't know man
• 836[06:29:09] <SirLagz> Shmam: Debian already has everything you need, why go and install stuff from elsewhere?
• 837[06:29:14] <somiaj> it isn't uncommon, espically those form the windows world who are use to just downloading stuff from various source and installing them.
• 838[06:29:19] <SirLagz> Shmam: blindly following tutorials?
• 839[06:29:24] <Shmam> yeah
• 840[06:29:29] <Shmam> basically me
• 841[06:29:30] <SirLagz> somiaj: yeah true
• 842[06:29:47] <Shmam> problem was that I was missing so many drivers and stuff for my laptop
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• 844[06:29:59] <somiaj> the real issue is linux is a shared libary system, and windows are mostly static linked binaries.
• 845[06:30:01] <SirLagz> Shmam: I'm with somiaj here. Backup and restore onto a fresh install.
• 846[06:30:13] <Shmam> it can't be too bad though
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• 849[06:30:25] <somiaj> and because of sharing libaries, you have to ensure the stuff you install is deisgned to work with the shared libaries you have.
• 850[06:30:43] <SirLagz> somiaj: I think it's more Windows devs are used to having random crap on their systems so they go with static linked libraries lol. There are *plenty* of things that use shared libraries, but then trying to find those shared libraries to install are a PITA
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• 852[06:30:49] <Shmam> is there anywhere that I can post or get help with this? Like a forum for frankin linux peoples?
• 853[06:31:11] <SirLagz> Shmam: why do you persist in trying to use your frankenlinux system?
• 854[06:31:20] <Shmam> not use it, fix it
• 855[06:31:21] <somiaj> Shmam: I would just reinstall, debian stable is actaully quite nice if you follow some basic advise.
• 856[06:31:32] <SirLagz> Shmam: the fix is to reinstall.
• 857[06:31:43] <Shmam> I will lose so much
• 858[06:31:57] <SirLagz> Shmam: backup and restore
• 859[06:32:00] <Shmam> this laptop has so many quirks that I had to create scripts and stuff for
• 860[06:32:02] <somiaj> with a backup, reinstall I think you can get things running fairly quickly again.
• 861[06:32:11] <SirLagz> Shmam: what laptop?
• 862[06:32:30] <Shmam> razer blade stealth 2017 (pls dont hate, PLS)
• 863[06:32:32] <Shmam> pls
• 864[06:32:45] <Shmam> it's nice and thin and portable pls dont hate
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• 867[06:33:17] <SirLagz> Shmam: and what issues were you having exactly?
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• 869[06:33:22] <somiaj> Shmam: what does apt install mariadb-server-10.1 do?
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• 871[06:34:30] <somiaj> Shmam: note many do mix things and you can contiune to run this sytem. Just note people here won't want to help you out, because it could be the issue you are running into is due to mixing, and it is frusting to spend time helping a user to find out the issue, trying to figure out an issue that just shoudln't happen in debian, to find out the reason is because the user mixed a ubuntu ppa that caused
• 872[06:34:36] <somiaj> problems. etc.
• 873[06:34:52] <Shmam> replaced-url
• 874[06:35:07] <somiaj> so hence I would rather help educate users on how to not break debian to not run into this in the first place
• 875[06:35:40] <Shmam> yeah I totally understand and that makes sense. I didn't even realize that I was in this shitty situation in the first place
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• 877[06:36:03] <Shmam> but now that I know, I will be much more careful
• 878[06:36:08] <somiaj> now as to why mariadb isn't starting, could be due to the unoffical package or some other thing you installed. but you now have mariad binstalled, if youa re able to figure out how to fix it more power to you.
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• 880[06:36:39] <somiaj> but I really don't want to try to support this, because it is probably due to some artificat, and not an actual bug/issue with the debian package.
• 881[06:37:14] <Shmam> well I'm stuck between a rock and a really really hard place now...
• 882[06:37:44] <seansan> kk
• 883[06:37:45] <somiaj> well that is your choice, either try to make what you have work and deal with these issues when they arrise or rebuild. If you would like I'll see if it works in my stretch vm.
• 884[06:38:04] <somiaj> or just take the time to reinstall to ensure you won't be in this situation in the future.
• 885[06:38:43] <Shmam> I'm going to read up on repairing franken debian machines and if I can't get that working, i can always fresh install or use my server
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• 887[06:39:44] <somiaj> this stretch vm is outdated, I'll update, install mariadb and see if it just works.
• 888[06:41:35] <SirLagz> somiaj: pretty sure it does just work. I rebuilt a jessie VM to stretch and installed maria-db package and it just worked
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• 890[06:42:10] <somiaj> SirLagz: that is my guess, but I do like to double check for users.
• 891[06:42:28] <SirLagz> somiaj: true. It's been a while since I rebuilt the VM
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• 893[06:44:04] <seansan> already
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• 940[07:45:03] <mylene18> hello
• 941[07:47:24] <somiaj> greetings, do you have a debian question?
• 942[07:47:33] <mylene18> oh im lost...
• 943[07:47:38] <mylene18> what is this room about?
• 944[07:47:45] <mylene18> i was browsing channel
• 945[07:48:13] <xz> we all are
• 946[07:48:29] <rant> apparentlyalsofrom 1990 yahoo/aol chat too
• 947[07:48:40] <somiaj> this is a support channel for the debian operating system, and not a social channel.
• 948[07:48:43] <somiaj> !chat
• 949[07:48:43] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
• 950[07:49:02] <mylene18> oh ok sorry thnaks
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• 952[07:49:47] <somiaj> you can /j ##chat if you like
• 953[07:50:08] <mylene18> thanks sorry for interrupting
• 954[07:50:36] <mylene18> is #freenode a chat room?
• 955[07:50:56] <somiaj> yes, but that is for info about the network, ##chat is for social conversation.
• 956[07:51:17] <somiaj> most channels on this network are designed aroud support/information, and not really about social chatting
• 957[07:51:17] <mylene18> ok
• 958[07:51:27] <mylene18> oh yes ok i see
• 959[07:51:32] <mylene18> there is a lot of channel
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• 970[08:06:57] <zhoujingrui> hi
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• 972[08:08:09] <awal1> how can I make yeahconsole able to display special characters like Spanish ones (í, úó, ñ...) in the term it uses?
• 973[08:08:30] <awal1> I actually configured it to use urxvt
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• 975[08:09:14] <awal1> note that urxvt, without yeahconsole wrapper, shows those characters just fine. so it is yeahconsole related
• 976[08:09:26] <somiaj> what is the output of locale in that console
• 977[08:10:55] <awal1> somiaj, same as all my system replaced-url
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• 981[08:12:20] <somiaj> unsure, seems it is just a wrapper so I'm unsure why it isn't supporting utf-8 consoles for characters
• 982[08:12:54] <awal1> my Xresources replaced-url
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• 987[08:15:37] <awal1> yes it is just a wrapper
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• 991[08:24:49] <awal1> why my .Xdefaults & .Xresources are shown as files ( like a picture) to open with Gimp instead of a plain text file (to open with leafpad...) if I don't leave an empty line at the beginning (of the files)?
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• 993[08:27:30] <awal1> do you guys leave an empty line?
• 994[08:32:03] <somiaj> you can just tell the gtk file opener to ignore hidden files, that is what i usually do
• 995[08:32:43] <awal1> somiaj, gtk file opener?
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• 997[08:35:11] <awal1> my curiosity is almost about the relevance of the empty line at the beginning of the Xresources/defaults file
• 998[08:36:51] <awal1> i don't get the sence , why the file icon changes depending if the empty line is there or not. if it is there, I get plain text icon, to open with say leafpad; if it is not , I get an icon with an arrow, to open with gimp
• 999[08:38:04] <awal1> can anyone using Xresources or Xdefaults reproduce? :)
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• 1012[08:51:20] <zhoujingrui> what
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• 1048[09:18:16] <pinganxmm_> ALIAS
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• 1157[10:57:11] <Neo1> hi!
• 1158[10:57:40] <Neo1> I've installed debian and want isntall drivers, why sudo doesn't work replaced-url
• 1159[10:57:41] <Neo1> ?
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• 1162[10:58:47] <audreeliss> Where to get Thunarx 3 ?
• 1163[10:58:54] <bazhang> Neo1, over ubuntu?
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• 1166[10:59:31] <Neo1> bazhang: I tried ubunty
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• 1170[10:59:39] <Neo1> bazhang: see replaced-url
• 1171[10:59:48] <Neo1> asked me input like super user
• 1172[11:00:08] <Neo1> I'd done sudo and got nothing?
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• 1174[11:00:19] <Neo1> su also couldn't help
• 1175[11:00:37] <Neo1> who know how to run app and why sudo doesn't work?
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• 1178[11:02:22] <Neo1> and rood doesn't work, I can't go there using nickname root
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• 1192[11:19:02] <xormor> Neo1, sudo -s ---> input normal user password
• 1193[11:19:19] <Neo1> su helped
• 1194[11:19:27] <Neo1> sudo is not installed
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• 1199[11:24:04] <Neo1> xormor: I've installed and debian works very fast under vmware replaced-url
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• 1202[11:25:53] <Neo1> who know how there install applications and change gnome?
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• 1208[11:30:15] <xormor> Neo1, after su, apt install packagename
• 1209[11:30:34] <Neo1> yes, I did
• 1210[11:30:37] <xormor> Neo1, gnome can be gone into in the logon screen (display manager)
• 1211[11:30:51] <xormor> Neo1, I think gnome can be installed with apt install gnome
• 1212[11:31:25] <Neo1> xormor: do you see there exists golden dic
• 1213[11:31:38] <Neo1> xormor: no, I want remove it, badly look
• 1214[11:31:45] <Neo1> even unity is better
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• 1222[11:35:18] <Neo1> in debian is broken goldendic, doesn't have vocabularies
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• 1224[11:35:46] <Neo1> debian on vmware works so fast...
• 1225[11:35:54] <Neo1> flying
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• 1259[12:00:50] <Neo1> I'd installed sudo and added user to sudo
• 1260[12:01:04] <Neo1> who know the best desktop?
• 1261[12:01:11] <Neo1> gnome?
• 1262[12:01:25] <Neo1> I want something like windows 10
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• 1265[12:02:30] <Neo1> want to do something like this my current desktop replaced-url
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• 1268[12:05:08] <orkan> Gnome looks quite different
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• 1276[12:13:38] <Neo1> how to see list of users and list of groups? I used cat /etc/users and nothing see
• 1277[12:13:56] <Neo1> or cat /etc/groups. in ubuntu it works
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• 1279[12:14:39] <Neo1> cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd
• 1280[12:14:44] <Neo1> forget just
• 1281[12:15:09] <Neo1> group list doesn't work
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• 1283[12:15:53] <mr__tea> hi Neo1 whats up?
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• 1287[12:18:23] <Neo1> all right, forgot commands
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• 1316[12:34:26] <Neo1> I see in this channel always silence, In ubuntu always noise...
• 1317[12:34:38] <Neo1> here people don't have problems?
• 1318[12:34:46] <gpunk> yes
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• 1323[12:37:35] <xz> here people deal with problems themselves!
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• 1327[12:38:45] <Butt3rfly> ^
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• 1330[12:41:13] <jelly> I see a little less than four million lines of problems in logs of this channel.
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• 1332[12:42:02] <jelly> and that's just three years, from July 2014 on
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• 1335[12:44:14] <Butt3rfly> you counting jelly?
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• 1337[12:45:03] <Butt3rfly> problems get solved in here, I've never used the ubuntu channel so I'm not going to make any comparisons
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• 1363[13:04:45] <miskatonic> is it possible to disable all sans-serif fonts with fontconfig?
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• 1413[13:58:54] <nix64bit> I dont think I ever got an answer here?
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• 1417[14:00:52] <jim> nix64bit, 42! (my go-to answer)
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• 1421[14:03:24] <jim> nix64bit, answer to what?
• 1422[14:04:01] * jim notes you haven't asked a question today
• 1423[14:05:30] <jim> also, my history shows you've gotten a couple answers to questions you have asked... the last 2 or 3 were pretty immediate
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• 1470[14:48:39] <Neo1> what the firewal debian use default? I see there not exists ufw?
• 1471[14:49:08] <jelly> there isn't any by default, Neo1
• 1472[14:49:26] <Neo1> good
• 1473[14:49:33] <Neo1> I almost configure server replaced-url
• 1474[14:49:47] <Neo1> accessible from windows and seems work fast
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• 1476[14:50:22] <Neo1> will put there all my sites instead WAMP, at first want test on wp sites, how it will really faster or not
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• 1489[15:01:29] <Neo1> is MariaDB mysql?
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• 1516[15:20:15] <Mathisen> yes
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• 1551[15:39:01] <moldy> hi
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• 1569[16:00:51] <zomaar> What is recommended for having access to packages if you need to go somewhere without internet?
• 1570[16:01:26] <zomaar> Ie. can you create one huge USB stick and have it act as an ISO?
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• 1574[16:02:49] <zomaar> Or should one generate additional ISO images (beyond 3) using jigdo-mirror and put them on distinct partitions on the usb stick?
• 1575[16:02:57] <zomaar> then it's a question of mounting the right one.
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• 1585[16:07:05] <zomaar> I see there are jigdo's for creating blurays too
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• 1588[16:08:09] <noocx> hi
• 1589[16:09:15] <nix64bit> jim: had a problem with freezing graphics which seems to have gone away with a recent update
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• 1592[16:09:37] <noocx> how is that possible that du -sh writes 4.2G disk usage for my single user /home, but when i look inside that space isnt taken?
• 1593[16:10:00] <noocx> only around 1GB
• 1594[16:10:15] <nix64bit> thats all i really remember asking
• 1595[16:10:56] <Neo1> how to check open 80 port or not?
• 1596[16:11:06] <Neo1> I see I can connect free
• 1597[16:11:19] <noocx> netstat -veenpa
• 1598[16:11:27] <noocx> install net-tools
• 1599[16:11:43] <Neo1> I've create two virtual hosts test-debian and test-debian1 and both work in the same site
• 1600[16:12:24] <Neo1> what shall I put in hosts?
• 1601[16:13:23] <Neo1> server on vmware and accessible from window, in window I've added in host ip_server test-debian and ip_server test_debian1
• 1602[16:13:36] <Neo1> in debian I should to do the same?
• 1603[16:13:59] <Neo1> work
• 1604[16:14:11] <Neo1> nohow did, but works
• 1605[16:14:53] <Shmam> Neo1: replaced-url
• 1606[16:14:57] <noocx> :D
• 1607[16:15:00] <Shmam> open port checker tool
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• 1610[16:15:39] <noocx> I think he wants to see his LAMP setup or something from windows
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• 1613[16:16:23] <Neo1> yes
• 1614[16:16:33] <Neo1> on virtual machine vmware
• 1615[16:16:49] <Neo1> debiane is setup
• 1616[16:16:50] <noocx> but thats a web server question
• 1617[16:16:56] <noocx> install net-tools on debian
• 1618[16:17:08] <noocx> and check where is it listening with netstat -veenpa
• 1619[16:17:30] <Neo1> no, now I want install there wordpress and test speed
• 1620[16:17:39] <noocx> ?
• 1621[16:17:56] <Neo1> make common folder and use like local webserver instead WAMP
• 1622[16:18:02] <Shmam> ummmmm wtf is even going on lol
• 1623[16:18:06] <noocx> :DD
• 1624[16:18:24] <Shmam> why are you installing wordpress on a debian vm?
• 1625[16:18:35] <Neo1> noocx: I think it will faster than WAMP
• 1626[16:18:40] <noocx> maybe thats his dev area
• 1627[16:18:53] <Neo1> Shmam: test speed and will use for sites VPS on debian
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• 1629[16:19:15] <noocx> wat
• 1630[16:19:18] <Neo1> Shmam: try to do something with WP on WAMP in admin there each reload page take 4 - 5 seconds
• 1631[16:19:27] <Shmam> you might be interested in the windows linux subsystem. although it runs ubuntu it's pretty cool and built into windows
• 1632[16:19:46] <Neo1> Shmam: no, I want real linux
• 1633[16:19:46] <Shmam> it just takes that long because it's wordpress
• 1634[16:19:51] <moldy> do i understand that sddm is the only supported display manager on stretch?
• 1635[16:20:01] <moldy> *understand correctly
• 1636[16:20:41] <Neo1> Shmam: you think in debian its will take also much time? In my alive server it takes 2 seconds less than in local, Normally in local server speed should be less
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• 1638[16:20:45] <noocx> moldy: ?:D
• 1639[16:20:52] <noocx> I don't think
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• 1642[16:21:16] <moldy> noocx: kdm seems ot be gone from the repositories, same fr gdm
• 1643[16:21:28] <noocx> use fvwm:D
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• 1645[16:21:31] <noocx> there is xdm!:D
• 1646[16:22:21] <Shmam> Neo1: I mean you can try it on debian. There's no way that I can tell you one way or another, load time depends on what plugins and stuff that you have so idk. It will also depend on things like hard drive speed and system specs
• 1647[16:23:17] <Neo1> Shmam: local computer or server that far from me in a few thousands km, where should be faster speed?
• 1648[16:23:24] <Neo1> of course in my local computer
• 1649[16:23:55] <moldy> noocx: hmm, thanks. i guess i will give those a try.
• 1650[16:24:01] <moldy> sddm seems to be very buggy :-/
• 1651[16:24:05] <Neo1> WAMP has low performance
• 1652[16:24:12] <noocx> moldy: why?
• 1653[16:24:18] <Shmam> Neo1: Honestly, I don't know. that depends on ur internet speed and computer's specs
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• 1655[16:24:34] <Shmam> I don't know much about wamp but if you want to test it on debian then go for it
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• 1657[16:24:44] <koollman> Neo1: it will be fast locally only if the network is a major part of the slowness
• 1658[16:24:49] <moldy> noocx: screen doesn't redraw after login (i am logged in but it still shows the sddm password prompt). monitor is flickering all the time when using sddm...
• 1659[16:25:10] <Neo1> Shmam: on my local should be work faster than on remote server, because dont need transfer over internet
• 1660[16:25:25] <noocx> moldy: then there is somethin g wrong, but fvmwm is a wm not a dm
• 1661[16:25:34] <noocx> xdm is a display manager too
• 1662[16:25:42] <Neo1> load speed 2 second from remote server and from local 4 second
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• 1664[16:26:07] <Shmam> so it's faster from the remote server?
• 1665[16:26:21] <Neo1> remote faster than local
• 1666[16:26:44] <Neo1> should to be opposite
• 1667[16:26:57] <koollman> Neo1: I do not see why it should be faster than the remote server. that's only true if the server and your computer have exactly the same performance
• 1668[16:27:02] <Shmam> it really depends on a lot of things
• 1669[16:27:16] <Shmam> are the two installations the same?
• 1670[16:27:35] <Neo1> koollman: because it won't transfer data over internet
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• 1672[16:27:43] <koollman> Neo1: that's a tiny difference
• 1673[16:27:54] <koollman> Neo1: you have differences mesured in seconds
• 1674[16:27:55] <Neo1> my VPS on my computer should be faster than remote VPS
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• 1677[16:28:21] <Neo1> koollman: no, open chrome and mesure load time
• 1678[16:28:34] <Shmam> Neo1: Try thig is you want to speed up the site: replaced-url
• 1679[16:28:47] <noocx> Neo1: delete windows, install debian and do it in local, that will be fast:)
• 1680[16:29:02] <koollman> Neo1: yes. but ... you said 2seconds from remote, 4seconds from local. so on both cases, the network speed is very likely not the largest part
• 1681[16:29:35] <noocx> your vm is "remote" too, there could be other problems than the network speed
• 1682[16:29:36] <koollman> could be caused by differences in storage speed, database access, cpu speed, or just difference configurations
• 1683[16:29:46] <Neo1> I hope debian will locally as well as on remote VPS with equal speed
• 1684[16:30:04] <noocx> its not just about netwrok speed..
• 1685[16:30:06] <Neo1> soon I'll test and say exactly
• 1686[16:30:06] <Shmam> So apparently, I have created a frankin debian machine. I have installed Slack and Thunderbird from non-stretch sources (packages). Do I need to uninstall them to fix my machine or what?
• 1687[16:30:34] <moldy> noocx: xdm seems to work ok, thanks!
• 1688[16:30:35] <koollman> (for what it's worht, 'thousands of km away' means only a few milliseconds of difference, most of the time. Plus your local internet acess :) )
• 1689[16:30:40] <noocx> moldy: cool
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• 1695[16:32:43] <zomaar> Neo1: Good luck.
• 1696[16:33:13] <zomaar> Neo1: "nc -z <internal host> 80 && echo yeah" will give you port 80 open or not
• 1697[16:33:26] <zomaar> Neo1: If on debian
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• 1703[16:37:41] <noocx> du -sh {.??,}* solved the problem, du -sh * didn't show the hidden files
• 1704[16:38:04] <noocx> so found the additional 3GB
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• 1706[16:38:39] <noocx> everything takes so much space nowadays:)
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• 1733[17:03:45] <aljoni> How do I configure my system so that it does not mix the style that I have chosen with Gnome? Currently it looks like this: replaced-url
• 1734[17:03:52] <jim> nix64bit, oh, ok... in a sense then, the update is an "answer" that was provided on something other than irc?
• 1735[17:04:16] <mtn> aljoni: what does xfce have to do with gnome?
• 1736[17:04:27] <aljoni> mtn: Look at the image.
• 1737[17:04:41] <mtn> aljoni: explain what the problem is
• 1738[17:05:39] <aljoni> mtn: That's what the image is going. The window on the right of the image looks correct, using the correct theme. The window on the right looks like it just stepped out of Gnome 3.
• 1739[17:05:46] <aljoni> image is doing*
• 1740[17:06:09] <mtn> aljoni: so, again, what does xfce have to do with gnome, or visa versa?
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• 1742[17:06:24] <aljoni> mtn: Have you looked at the image?
• 1743[17:06:35] <mtn> aljoni: what if I did?
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• 1745[17:06:50] <aljoni> mtn: You'll see why I'm mentioning Gnome.
• 1746[17:06:55] <mtn> !ask
• 1747[17:06:56] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 1748[17:07:12] <mtn> aljoni: you are leaving out most of your question
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• 1753[17:09:30] <aljoni> I have a problem with how windows are displayed; I'm running Debian version 9.3.0. When I try to use certain applications I get the following output: they do not use the correct theme, the theme that I selected in "Appearance", instead it looks like a Gnome 3 application. I expected it to look like the theme.
• 1754[17:10:02] <mtn> aljoni: is your desktop gnome or xfce? do you also have gnome installed?
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• 1757[17:10:19] <aljoni> xfce, installed by selecting "XFCE" when installing debian
• 1758[17:10:34] <mtn> aljoni: second question?
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• 1760[17:10:50] <aljoni> I did not select Gnome, so I assume no.
• 1761[17:11:06] <mtn> aljoni: ok. name an app that looks like gnome3
• 1762[17:11:18] <aljoni> XFCE Terminal preferences
• 1763[17:11:54] <mtn> aljoni: ok, odd. now the questions makes sense to me. I don't use xfce so can't duplicate
• 1764[17:12:06] <aljoni> Also "PulseAudio Volume Control"
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• 1766[17:12:25] <konakona_> In source.list I can either have stretch main or stable main. What's the difference? Does stable main make the distribution a rolling distribution?
• 1767[17:12:46] <aljoni> I'm using "HexChat" to connect to freenode and it looks fine.
• 1768[17:13:08] <mtn> konakona_: if you leave stable there, one day your whole distro will change to the "new" stable. it may also break at that time ;)
• 1769[17:13:36] <mtn> aljoni: is this a default xfce theme or one you installed?
• 1770[17:14:09] <aljoni> mtn: A built in one "Xfce-4.0"
• 1771[17:14:35] <konakona_> It may break? It will be the same if I just upgrade the distribution the same time it's released, right?
• 1772[17:14:49] <jim> stable is really a pointer to a dist (in a sense)... for example, you may wish to stay with the dist until you specifically want to upgrade.... if that's the case, you'd use the actual codename of the dist (like stretch or jessie or buster, depending on which you're running that you want to stay with
• 1773[17:14:54] <jim> )
• 1774[17:14:59] <aljoni> mtn: No matter which built in theme I select I still have the issue.
• 1775[17:15:04] <mtn> konakona_: may not be. sometimes that are special steps that need to be taken to upgrade
• 1776[17:15:17] <rant> I think your theme issue has to do with GTK2 vs GTK3
• 1777[17:15:31] <mtn> aljoni: very odd. sorry, out of ideas
• 1778[17:15:47] <aljoni> rant: Any ideas then? It looks terrible like this.
• 1779[17:15:53] <konakona_> I see. Thanks for explaining.
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• 1782[17:16:01] <rant> pavucontrol shows its GTK3 but lxterminal shows it is GTK2 and I am not sure what version of gtk XFCE is theming
• 1783[17:16:17] <rant> but I know the themes are different and that they have different config locations
• 1784[17:16:49] <jim> aljoni, what's one (of possibly many) elements of the window that you don't want, or find unstylistic, or something?
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• 1786[17:17:18] <linuxthefish> hi, I have a SMB share mounted in nemo, how can I access it from terminal?
• 1787[17:17:36] <linuxthefish> it's not in /media or /mnt, but I can browse the files using nemo file manager
• 1788[17:17:43] <aljoni> jim: For example, the tabs... and all other GUI elements. I much prefer the style of xfce4, gnome2, etc.
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• 1790[17:18:24] <rant> linuxthefish: its probably not actually mounted you're just using a built-in smb client to browse it
• 1791[17:18:35] <jim> what happened that changed the style to this "unpreferred" situation?
• 1792[17:18:39] <rant> linuxthefish: if it were actually mounted you'd see it in df output
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• 1794[17:18:47] <rant> linuxthefish: or in /proc/mtab
• 1795[17:18:56] <aljoni> jim: It's a clean install.
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• 1799[17:19:45] <rant> linuxthefish: you can manually mount a samba share with the mount -t smbfs //host/share /mount/point
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• 1801[17:20:10] <jim> ok, so then is it the newer incarnation of the style/theme (which could involve libs and etc)? did you have something older before?
• 1802[17:20:24] <rant> linuxthefish: you may need to install smbfs though.. idk.. been a long time
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• 1806[17:21:00] <jim> (maybe a "dangerous" question, because before you could have had a different dist entirely?
• 1807[17:21:04] <jim> )
• 1808[17:21:09] <aljoni> jim: It's just a clean install of "Debian 9.3.0" with "XFCE" selected during install. I never messed around with Gnome on this install.
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• 1811[17:21:53] <rant> aljoni: as I said before its likely your theme and the differences between GTK2 and GTK3 used in various apps.. GTK2 and GTK3 themes are not compatible
• 1812[17:22:02] <jim> ok... so here, what I'm trying to get at, was there something you were running before that -did- have the style you prefer? (and yes, I do see what you said)
• 1813[17:22:59] <Rond> hi all, I've got a bit of a dumb question. I think debian 7 used to automount removable drives to dynamic mountpoints out of the box, but debian 8 doesn't?
• 1814[17:23:09] <aljoni> No, I've not ever had it looking preferable before. Before I've just said "I don't have time, I'll just deal with it. Even if I do hate it". I'd like to come to some solution though. Even if I need two themes, maybe I could find a Gtk3 theme that has this old style?
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• 1816[17:23:32] <linuxthefish> ah ok, thanks rant that works! :D
• 1817[17:23:33] <rant> Rond: automounting is typically handled by some daemon like gvfsd, if its not installed/running automounting will not occur
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• 1819[17:24:15] <rant> Rond: there are various filesystem daemons, it depends on the DE you're using
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• 1824[17:25:02] <rant> simply installing and running a gnome-based terminal for example would cause gvfsd to be launched
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• 1826[17:25:04] <Rond> rant: I've got a headless system with kodi here
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• 1829[17:25:24] <rant> Rond: then you will likely need to manually install and run a filesystem daemon for automounting
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• 1831[17:25:43] <Rond> okay, thanks. I just wasn't sure if it's supposed to work OOTB
• 1832[17:26:00] <rant> Rond: not unless you've installed a DE that includes a filesystem daemon
• 1833[17:26:07] <jim> aljoni, can you make a virtual guest to try things out on before you commit to them in your actual installation?
• 1834[17:26:18] <rant> Rond: and are running that DE as a session :P
• 1835[17:26:18] <aljoni> I can run virtual machines, yes.
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• 1837[17:27:38] <jim> ok... what if you made a virtual guest, and installed another debian stretch on it, and tried other windowing systems, you mentioned gnome, I guess you could try that?
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• 1839[17:28:07] <aljoni> I think that Mate is supposed to be basically gnome 2.
• 1840[17:28:36] <jim> (if you're going to do that, you might want to run a package proxy (such as apt-cacher-ng) somewhere, so that you don't have to download stuff over and over
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• 1845[17:29:02] <aljoni> jim: I'm okay with that, unlimited 200 Mbit internet.
• 1846[17:29:22] <retiform> hey is debian the distro to go for on an old PPC mac? (G4 sunflower)
• 1847[17:29:23] <jim> ok
• 1848[17:29:29] <rant> aljoni: it may be possible to convert themes or for them to be forward compatible by some config hacking.. but you'd have to find someone more familiar with GTK themes.. I just told you that as a hint, I dont know about this stuff myself as I dont use it. You could google or go to a channel that is more GNOME/XFCE specific and use the info I gave you about the GTK2 vs GTK3 as an idea of what question to ask
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• 1850[17:29:35] <retiform> Ive had that thing sitting around for years
• 1851[17:29:36] <rant> so people understand the issue better
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• 1853[17:30:00] <jim> does debian still have ppc arch?
• 1854[17:30:11] <rant> Rond: you could use debian but it'd have to be an older version we dropped 32bit ppc support
• 1855[17:30:17] <rant> retiform: ^^
• 1856[17:30:29] <retiform> rant: darn
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• 1858[17:30:50] <rant> 64bit ppc is still supported, but 32bit ppc is no longer supported
• 1859[17:30:52] <retiform> rant: any suggestions where to go for this support?
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• 1862[17:31:21] <rant> retiform: not sure, never looked into it, as I never had a ppc machine
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• 1865[17:33:15] <rant> retiform: jessie was the last version to support it, and jessie is still on LTS
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• 1868[17:34:08] <rant> retiform: jessie will be on long-term support for probably about two more years
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• 1871[17:35:09] <jcob> Is there any easy way to make a package from binaries where /usr/include, /usr/bin/, etc are already laid out
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• 1873[17:35:38] <vahe1> hi all)
• 1874[17:35:50] <vahe1> I'm testing something replaced-url
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• 1876[17:36:03] <vahe1> maybe someone may say that this?
• 1877[17:36:25] <rant> jcob: not really.. not AFTER its installe this way.. during install, sure.
• 1878[17:36:47] <rant> jcob: checkinstall can package something during its "make install" process
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• 1880[17:37:38] <Megaf> Guys, Updating my workstation after around 3 years from Jessie/Sid -> Jessie Stable + Updates -> Stretch Stable + Updates. Wish me luck
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• 1883[17:38:29] <rant> I'll wish you better common sense to not use frankendebian, it'll serve you better in the future than luck
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• 1885[17:38:51] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1886[17:39:18] <annadane> better idea is to back everything up and install stretch from scratch
• 1887[17:39:45] <jim> Megaf, could you do... cat /etc/apt/sources.list | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1889[17:40:25] <rant> jim: you'll eventually learn not to do that unless you're glutton for punishment
• 1890[17:40:44] <Megaf> rant: at the time Wheezy was quite outdated, I needed Jessie, but Jessie was not even in testing much yet
• 1891[17:41:12] <jim> rant, just call me a glutton :) been doing this for a lot of years :)
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• 1893[17:41:26] <aljoni> I'll get this looking how I want eventually. Just annoying that as software is updated and "modernised" it becomes more difficult to keep using these "old" themes.
• 1894[17:41:40] <annadane> point still stands: if you want a comfortable computing experience, just reinstall from scratch
• 1895[17:41:40] <rant> jim: heh.. yeah you usually dont want to go after questions that haven't been asked yet :P
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• 1898[17:42:27] <annadane> *especially* if you're upgrading your whole system with sid elements into stretch
• 1899[17:43:08] <jim> well if he's got mixed dists already, he could be out of luck... but maybe he's not
• 1900[17:43:12] <Megaf> jim: replaced-url
• 1901[17:43:18] <rant> annadane: you're doing it as well.. heh.. for all we know they managed to track jessie successfully as it became stable.. running after questions not asked will drive ya nuts
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• 1904[17:43:41] <Megaf> jessie will be removed after stretch is upgraded to
• 1905[17:43:49] <annadane> i'm running pure sid; but yes asking for a sources list is a good step
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• 1908[17:44:04] <jim> have you done anything with this sources.list yet?
• 1909[17:44:08] <Megaf> In this laptop that Im using now is pure Sid too. quite happy
• 1910[17:44:14] <annadane> Megaf, well if you're updating to stretch then just remove jessie now
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• 1913[17:44:23] <rant> Megaf: what we're all worried about is that if by putting sid lines in there at some point if you are actually running jessie or if you are already beyond stretch having current sid packagesinstalled
• 1914[17:44:53] <Megaf> jim: it was sid there, then I replaced wit jessie
• 1915[17:45:03] <Megaf> but that sid was updated 3 years ago
• 1916[17:45:10] <Megaf> so all jessie packages were newer
• 1917[17:45:20] <aljoni> Are GTK3 backwards compatible with GTK2, or do you need one for each?
• 1918[17:45:25] <Megaf> so I replaced replace sid with the jessie entries
• 1919[17:45:29] <aljoni> GTK3 themes*
• 1920[17:45:35] <Megaf> then I did full-upgrade to jessie
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• 1922[17:45:42] <Megaf> then I added stretch entries
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• 1924[17:45:45] * annadane facepalms
• 1925[17:45:47] <jim> anything after that?
• 1926[17:45:48] <rant> Megaf: a generic test would be to check various core package versions like libc6 against the stretch versions and make sure you're not past stretch
• 1927[17:45:51] <Megaf> and now Im doing full-upgrade to stretch
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• 1929[17:46:11] <Megaf> It was all good
• 1930[17:46:18] <Megaf> I checked the list of packages
• 1931[17:46:36] <Megaf> no worries, believe or not I have nerver had problems upgrading Debian
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• 1933[17:46:49] <Megaf> just when I have it in containers I need to remove systemd
• 1934[17:46:52] <jim> ok... what you could do... comment out the stretch lines, and do a full upgrade to how jessie was when it bacame oldstable...
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• 1937[17:47:05] <jim> then reboot
• 1938[17:47:14] <rant> then you haven't been using it long enough cause there were times in the past when even by-the-book dist-upgrades has serious issues :P
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• 1940[17:47:43] <jim> you say the last time it had sid stuff was 3 years ago?
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• 1942[17:47:57] <Megaf> jim: did that before starting upgrade to stretch yes
• 1943[17:48:22] <Megaf> rant: I use Debian since Etch
• 1944[17:48:25] <jim> so you already brought jessie uptodate?
• 1945[17:48:26] <rant> the various device abstraction layer changes from old /dev to devfs to hal..etc were particularly painful
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• 1947[17:49:07] <Megaf> jim: yep
• 1948[17:49:10] <jim> how long ago did you bring jessie uptodate?
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• 1950[17:49:21] <Megaf> jim: couple of hours ago
• 1951[17:49:41] <jim> oh ok, good enough... it could succeed then :)
• 1952[17:49:56] <jim> what you might do first...
• 1953[17:50:08] <rant> you'd want to look over stretch release notes and follow the jessie->stretch proceedure
• 1954[17:50:26] <jim> apt-cache policy libc6 | nc termbin.com 9999
• 1955[17:51:00] <jim> yeah, I'd also suggest the release notes
• 1956[17:52:20] <Megaf> Can't be bothered for this usecase
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• 1958[17:53:32] <jim> most likely, you have the jessie version of libc6... it would be good to make sure
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• 1961[17:55:16] <nix64bit> jim: I guess :)
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• 1963[17:55:35] <jhutchins> ,v samba
• 1964[17:55:36] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u15; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u9; stretch: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.12+dfsg-2+deb9u1; buster: 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1; sid: 2:4.7.3+dfsg-1
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• 1970[17:57:52] <Megaf> what is the pastebin command to check libc again?
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• 1972[17:58:03] <Megaf> oh, found it
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• 1974[17:58:13] <jim> apt-cache policy libc6 | nc termbin.com 9999
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• 1977[17:58:50] <Megaf> Installed: 2.24-11+deb9u1
• 1978[17:58:50] <Megaf> Candidate: 2.24-11+deb9u1
• 1979[17:58:58] <Megaf> I have stretchs version already
• 1980[17:59:08] <jim> looks that way
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• 1982[17:59:24] <jim> ,v libc6
• 1983[17:59:25] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 2.24-11+deb9u2; buster: 2.25-3; sid: 2.25-5; experimental: 2.26-0experimental2
• 1984[17:59:29] <Megaf> Jessie is 2.19-18+deb8u10 0
• 1985[17:59:58] <Megaf> system still updated, there is lots of stuff in this workstation
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• 1992[18:01:21] <jim> well the only thing you -really- asked for is to be wished good luck.... so, good luck :) and, you may wish to keep your /home backed up
• 1993[18:01:47] <annadane> in future, please keep your sources list/packages cleaner
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• 1995[18:02:08] <annadane> if you need newer versions and still want stable you can build from source or backport or flatpack or docker or whatever the kids are using these days
• 1996[18:02:09] <Neo1> see guys how debian works on virtual machine and WAMP
• 1997[18:02:09] <Neo1> WAMP: replaced-url
• 1998[18:02:09] <Neo1> debian: replaced-url
• 1999[18:02:09] <Neo1> other page
• 2000[18:02:09] <Neo1> WAMP: replaced-url
• 2001[18:02:09] <Neo1> debian: replaced-url
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• 2005[18:04:34] <Neo1> see debian as server better than WAMP, it's time save and more comfortalbe work
• 2006[18:04:55] <annadane> Neo1, okay, great, but this is a debian support channel; that's a bit off topic
• 2007[18:05:40] <Neo1> ok, I promised show results, somebody probably will useful this test
• 2008[18:05:51] <Neo1> I'll silence
• 2009[18:05:57] <aljoni> I think I'm finally facing defeat. I'm going to modernise myself. Tiling window manager, and a clean GTK3 theme. This is going to take some hours of configuring. Wish me luck.
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• 2011[18:08:07] <zomaar> are source packages part of any ISO images?
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• 2013[18:08:53] <rant> aljoni: or go back in time and use sawfish like I do.. heh
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• 2015[18:09:42] <aljoni> rant: I'm going for a bit of what you might call "steampunk" in a way.
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• 2017[18:10:02] <annadane> aljoni, replaced-url
• 2018[18:10:26] <aljoni> annadane: One step ahead of you. ;)
• 2019[18:10:33] <annadane> good. :)
• 2020[18:10:50] <aljoni> Anyone know a good CLI audio player that can play internet radio?
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• 2024[18:11:18] <rant> aljoni: pianobar for pandora
• 2025[18:11:45] <aljoni> Looking for something that can play from replaced-url
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• 2029[18:12:26] <rant> not sure, I used mps-youtube and pianobar.. though mps-youtube and other youtube things in stretch were broken by a change in youtube shortly after stretch's release
• 2030[18:12:37] <rant> I never tried any other streaming apps in the command line
• 2031[18:13:13] <rant> aljoni: any idea what technology that site uses for its stream?
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• 2033[18:13:53] <rant> aljoni: there is also rtmp-dump if I got that acronym right.. heh.. it can stream/dump any embedded RTMP stream
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• 2036[18:14:08] <aljoni> rant: It has buttons for "Windows Media Player", "WinAmp", "Phonostar", "Realplayer", and "iTunes". So whatever they use.
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• 2039[18:14:34] <rant> most players like that can support all sorts of protocols with different backends and plugins
• 2040[18:14:52] * rant glances at the site
• 2041[18:15:08] <aljoni> It has the extension "pls".
• 2042[18:15:39] <aljoni> It's basically a file that you open in the player and it magically works. Well, from my perspective.
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• 2044[18:16:32] <aljoni> Found it.
• 2045[18:16:45] <aljoni> mplayer with the "-playlist" option, then the url.
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• 2047[18:17:20] <rant> :)
• 2048[18:17:48] <aljoni> Time to start work on my submission for "/r/unixporn" :P
• 2049[18:17:56] <rant> cplay is a nice frontend written in curses that can work with multiple different backends
• 2050[18:18:11] <aljoni> I'll take a look at that one later. :)
• 2051[18:18:20] <rant> might be a way to save those pls files and launch it more easily with something like that, or just make a one-liner script
• 2052[18:18:28] <aljoni> I'll of course use a Debian 9.3.0 base.
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• 2055[18:21:44] <aljoni> Not sure of the tiling WM to use though...
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• 2057[18:21:52] <aljoni> So many options.
• 2058[18:22:47] <rant> really? I only knew of Ion
• 2059[18:23:00] <aljoni> I'm thinking of using "i3-gaps"
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• 2063[18:24:13] <annadane> you'd have to compile it; it's not available in the repository
• 2064[18:24:19] <annadane> vanilla i3 is though
• 2065[18:24:29] <aljoni> I'm okay with that.
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• 2068[18:24:45] <aljoni> Writing my future self some setup instructions though.
• 2069[18:24:48] <annadane> though to be honest you can probably make it gaps by editing some configs
• 2070[18:24:56] <annadane> i've never tried
• 2071[18:25:23] <aljoni> How would you add your own splash screen to debian?
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• 2073[18:26:08] <rant> !plymouth
• 2074[18:26:08] <dpkg> Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. replaced-url
• 2075[18:26:34] <aljoni> Thanks. :)
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• 2081[18:28:40] <aljoni> Almost switched to FreeBSD the other day, was going to use it with the Linux compatibility for Linux only software but couldn't be bothered.
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• 2083[18:29:24] <konakona_> Linux compatibility sucks on FreeBSD.
• 2084[18:29:30] <rant> I tried FreeBSD once but I never inhaled
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• 2086[18:29:53] <koollman> I inhaled so much I now have pfsense routers and firewalls
• 2087[18:29:59] <rant> went through the installer several times before I realized it had no logical end point and would keep looping around until I rebooted
• 2088[18:30:13] <aljoni> XD
• 2089[18:30:18] <rant> I'd never installed any other OS (and I've installed a lot of them) that didnt reach some logical end point in the installer
• 2090[18:31:00] <annadane> parts of the debian installer are also like that but not the whole installer
• 2091[18:31:18] <soul-d> i installed fedora by the time i was done new one was released and they where taling about the next 2 so i downloaded debian :)
• 2092[18:31:26] <rant> heh
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• 2094[18:31:33] <aljoni> A long while ago I was installing Ubuntu on a machine for someone from a re-writable DVD... and the installer wrote the bootloader to the DVD somehow...
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• 2100[18:33:48] <aljoni> Best terminal emulator for pixel fonts, and hex colours (or whatever the correct name is).
• 2101[18:34:09] <rant> the other thing that turned me off about freebsd was that it went through kernel config during install and the config options were rather braindead
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• 2104[18:34:55] <rant> I never did end up actually trying it..the install process alone led me to believe it was a terrible system made by idiots
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• 2109[18:36:58] <annadane> (It is.)
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• 2159[19:12:19] <zomaar> are there any install media at all that contain source packages?
• 2160[19:12:47] <zomaar> Or, can such media be generated with jigdo?
• 2161[19:13:10] <rant> the sources are also available in ISO on the mirrors
• 2162[19:13:18] <zomaar> really
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• 2165[19:13:35] <rant> the entire debian package repository both sources and binaries as well as updates are in ISO format
• 2166[19:13:56] <rant> the updates however are only made into ISOs after a point release is made
• 2167[19:14:00] <zomaar> How do I check that?
• 2168[19:14:05] <zomaar> I mean, what jigdo would contain them?
• 2169[19:14:34] <rant> idk about jigdo, I only used it once a long time ago.. but the sources are kept in seperate ISOs on the mirror
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• 2171[19:14:57] <jhutchins> !mirrors
• 2172[19:14:57] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
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• 2174[19:15:17] <jhutchins> jigdo has never worked for me.
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• 2176[19:16:09] <rant> zomaar: debian-cd/9.3.0/source i.e. replaced-url
• 2177[19:16:16] <zomaar> oh of course lol
• 2178[19:16:21] <zomaar> Forgot to .. out of amd64
• 2179[19:16:24] <zomaar> :p
• 2180[19:16:41] <rant> yes well sources are not arch specific :P
• 2181[19:17:17] <zomaar> haha I know I forgot.
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• 2183[19:17:35] <jhutchins> zomaar: replaced-url
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• 2185[19:17:58] <rant> or bt-iso for bittorrent
• 2186[19:18:12] <rant> erm bt-dvd
• 2187[19:18:19] <jhutchins> Yeah, don't think the source iso is going to be very well seeded.
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• 2189[19:18:34] <rant> perhaps not.. idk
• 2190[19:19:11] <jhutchins> torrents are great when something is new and popular and everybody is trying to download it. Once the shiny wears off it's better to just download from the server.
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• 2192[19:19:21] <rant> and with the size of our distro now, its not a source iso, its like a dozen dvd's worth of sources :P
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• 2194[19:19:58] <jhutchins> rant: Exactly 12 DVD isos.
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• 2199[19:21:36] <rant> are they not making all the binary ISOs anymore? kernel.org only seems to have the various flavors of the first ISO and net inst
• 2200[19:21:56] <rant> oh wait maybe I'm just looking in the point release
• 2201[19:21:59] <zomaar> no you can only make them with jigdo...
• 2202[19:22:07] <jhutchins> ?
• 2203[19:22:29] <zomaar> There is nothing after iso3 right
• 2204[19:22:39] <jhutchins> replaced-url
• 2205[19:22:46] <dtux> assuming i got the /devs right, does this look correct for cloning a luks flash drive? sudo dd if=/dev/sde of=/dev/sdf bs=8M && sync
• 2206[19:22:49] <jhutchins> Oh, right.
• 2207[19:23:06] <zomaar> So if you want something like a BD you have to do it yourself.
• 2208[19:23:09] <debnoob> Installed Stretch+xfce. Apt-get shows the latest linux-image avail. as version 4.9.x -- I'm looking for version 4.14+. I take it that I have to update the repos, somehow?
• 2209[19:23:25] <jhutchins> ,kernels
• 2210[19:23:27] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-2-686-pae (4.14.7-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
• 2211[19:23:28] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-2)
• 2212[19:23:49] <debnoob> ty
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• 2214[19:24:05] <rant> yeah there is no way that the entire 50,000 packages fits on 3 DVDs
• 2215[19:24:22] <Megaf> Folks, i have two GPUs in my system, one is fried but a lighting bolt or something, There's pieces of the computer case missing even. How do I make Debian to ignore that GPU from the very begining and use any other available?
• 2216[19:24:29] <rant> we were at 3 DVDs worth years and many releases ago
• 2217[19:24:39] <Megaf> BIOS defaults to the integrated fried GPU
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• 2222[19:25:13] <zomaar> Hahaha
• 2223[19:25:36] <rant> a possible hint in that direction exists in a factoid I created recently I dont recall the name of :P
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• 2225[19:26:00] <rant> I dont recall how to list the factoids I created off the top of my head either
• 2226[19:26:19] <bolt> Megaf: reset the bios, perhaps? most should, I believe, use an external graphics card by default if provided with one
• 2227[19:26:21] <rant> it was related to an issue with a mac of some kind which had two GPUs
• 2228[19:26:37] <zomaar> yes all systems default to gpu discrete
• 2229[19:26:47] <Megaf> bolt: did that, shouldntve done it tho
• 2230[19:26:49] <zomaar> afaik
• 2231[19:27:14] <bolt> Megaf: if the gpu is fried, maybe the slot you're putting the gpu in is too?
• 2232[19:27:16] <rant> no thats not true.. this macbook needed some serious hacking done to make it use the discrete graphics
• 2233[19:27:22] <zomaar> okay
• 2234[19:27:29] <zomaar> but a macbook :p
• 2235[19:27:31] <rant> there was a lot of info on that page in this factoid on various kernel options and such
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• 2238[19:28:40] <zomaar> but anyway the first BD contains almost all header packages I have installed on my system.
• 2239[19:28:49] <zomaar> Except for 2 :p.
• 2240[19:29:03] <aljoni> Why is picking colours to use when theming i3 so difficult. :P
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• 2242[19:29:28] <zomaar> There are more than 3 BDs but it is already hard to find anything not in the first.
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• 2245[19:31:19] <Megaf> bolt: did that, shouldntve done it tho
• 2246[19:31:23] <Megaf> I lost my cooling settings and integrated still default
• 2247[19:31:26] <Megaf> and I cant configure the BIOS because GPU is fried
• 2248[19:31:38] <Megaf> and now fans spin wait faster than necessary
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• 2250[19:31:48] <zomaar> actually 13 packages are not in the first BD
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• 2252[19:32:11] <Megaf> bolt: and I'm trying a PCI slot far far away from everything
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• 2254[19:32:19] <Megaf> PCI slot works, NIC there work too
• 2255[19:32:26] <rant> hmm its looking like I didnt create that factoid
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• 2259[19:32:55] <zomaar> only 1 package is in neither 1 nor 2
• 2260[19:32:59] <zomaar> (gdisk)
• 2261[19:33:47] <husseinsukkar[m]> Hi
• 2262[19:33:51] <rant> either that or dpkg crashed and Don restored an old backup before I created it :P
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• 2267[19:35:24] <rant> and apparently dpkg is offline again now so it doesn't matter :P
• 2268[19:35:29] <zomaar> Megaf: maybe you can find the entire menu online and use keys only blindly
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• 2271[19:36:02] <zomaar> Megaf: i.e. in the manual
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• 2273[19:36:42] <zomaar> I mean my HDMI won't show when DVI is connected
• 2274[19:36:58] <zomaar> So most of the time I am just blindly loading something if I want a different boot device :p.
• 2275[19:38:11] <zomaar> What then messes with that is if some usb device gets borked through linux drivers or similar..... and it won't show up in the list and I select the wrong one :( :p.
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• 2279[19:39:38] * Megaf grabs his motherboard manual
• 2280[19:40:24] <jhutchins> rant: You know how to search the keys?
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• 2282[19:40:45] <rant> jhutchins: yeah I figured it out.. but dpkg is offline again and the factoid wasnt there anyhow
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• 2284[19:42:10] <rant> I swear I created a factoid about that.. but now that I think about it I told the user to come back after they tried the solution and they said they would report back and I dont think they ever did. I was waiting to make the factoid until I knew the solution worked
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• 2287[19:44:37] <jhutchins> dondelelcaro: dpkg still appears to be absent.
• 2288[19:44:56] <jhutchins> dondelelcaro: Both freenode and oftc.
• 2289[19:44:58] <rant> well it was here and working just moments ago
• 2290[19:45:13] <rant> I was talking to it in /msg and then it vanished
• 2291[19:45:38] <jhutchins> Yeah, let sometime after :52
• 2292[19:46:05] <jhutchins> dondelelcaro: Rather it crashed after 18:52 GMT.
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• 2295[19:48:04] <rant> I'd run through the help and refreshed my memory on the listauth command, did listauth rant, then checked my old nick.. and by time I went to try see what one of nvz's factoids was that I didnt recognize, it was gone
• 2296[19:48:37] <rant> but it was working just about 20 minutes ago
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• 2300[19:51:37] <zomaar> Yes I just saw it leave.
• 2301[19:51:55] <zomaar> it said bye bye too.
• 2302[19:52:34] <zomaar> I replaced ics-dhcp-client with udhcpc and I have no recollection of why I did that....
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• 2304[19:54:05] <rant> well apt keeps logs now.. for you to check the when at least
• 2305[19:54:46] <rant> I've never used em, but I noticed there were logs
• 2306[19:55:08] <zomaar> It only keeps about a year.
• 2307[19:55:10] <zomaar> :p
• 2308[19:55:48] <zomaar> It's longer ago than that...
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• 2311[19:56:45] <rant> we need a "stoner" package.. that when you go to do something like that, the stoner comes up and says, "Heyyy mann, why you wanna go and do that mann?
• 2312[19:56:55] <rant> and keeps a log to tell you later why you did it
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• 2314[19:57:31] <zomaar> :).
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• 2316[19:57:40] <zomaar> Haha.
• 2317[19:58:15] <zomaar> I remember there was some reason but now I'm trying to remember what it was :p.
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• 2319[19:58:44] <rant> I can think of reasons to change dhcp server but not the client
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• 2321[19:58:52] <rant> like using PXE
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• 2329[20:01:42] <zomaar> I think at one point I may have created interface aliases like eth0:0 and eth0:1 and isc-dhcp-client choked on that....
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• 2331[20:03:02] <zomaar> So the stoner package would have a stoner command
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• 2333[20:03:18] <zomaar> and when you run it it says "Stoner mode activated" and then keeps logs until you disable it again with "stoner" again.
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• 2335[20:04:04] <rant> just kinda wraps everything you do and asks you about it like some curious stoner.. then says Woah or Far out man..
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• 2338[20:04:14] <zomaar> Actually that would be a great way to remember commands anyway...
• 2339[20:04:26] <zomaar> bash-history is not very reliable
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• 2341[20:04:58] <zomaar> hahaha
• 2342[20:05:27] <zomaar> I was thinking more about how you don't remember when you are stoned ;-).
• 2343[20:05:34] <zomaar> I guess.
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• 2345[20:06:07] <zomaar> Or just a command "remember" and it then adds commands to a log until you disable it again instead of relying on .bash_history only.
• 2346[20:06:34] <jhutchins> zomaar: You know about the script command?
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• 2351[20:09:34] <zomaar> No I didn't.
• 2352[20:09:43] <zomaar> But I was thinking more to save only commands...
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• 2364[20:15:47] <toothe> is there a place I can complain about how a Debian package is SUPER out of date?
• 2365[20:15:50] <toothe> as in, it doesn't work?
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• 2369[20:16:32] <dissidence> how to change webbrowser in exo-launch
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• 2377[20:23:32] <jcob> I am having a heck of a time trying to package a python package as a .deb
• 2378[20:23:41] <jcob> does anyone have any tips? A good starting point?
• 2379[20:23:55] <nkuttler> jcob: check the sources of a similar package?
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• 2394[20:30:20] <toothe> yeah, the version of systemtap on Debian is 6 years old now.
• 2395[20:30:22] <toothe> and does not work.
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• 2398[20:34:43] <mirc751> chrme vs firefox quantum ??
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• 2404[20:39:57] <husseinsukkar[m]> Help
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• 2414[20:49:47] <dissidence> is exo-launch a load of bull?
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• 2416[20:50:00] <dissidence> okay
• 2417[20:50:09] <dissidence> i got it figured out
• 2418[20:50:21] <dissidence> thanks dudes
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• 2448[21:09:25] <Llamageddon> Hello, I have a problem with Debian. Namely, it does not seem to include a proper, DST-aware timezone for my country(Poland) - does anyone have any idea as to what I'm supposed to do about it?
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• 2453[21:14:41] <Tramp> Llamageddon: huh? dpkg-reconfigure tzdata - and then I can select Europe/Warsaw, resulting in CET
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• 2457[21:16:13] <Llamageddon> Tramp: It does not include DST information which means it's fucked half of the year
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• 2459[21:16:26] <Llamageddon> Right now my Debian says 22:16, while it's 21:16
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• 2461[21:16:49] <Tramp> I rather suppose your hardware-clock is not set to UTC
• 2462[21:17:20] <Tramp> moreover since currently we are not exactly in DST
• 2463[21:17:33] <Llamageddon> Tramp: The time on Windows on the same PC is perfectly fine, though
• 2464[21:17:43] <Llamageddon> But you might be on to something, hm
• 2465[21:18:04] <Tramp> exactly. you have to configure Windows to honor UTC in the hardware-clock
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• 2467[21:18:18] <Llamageddon> How, though?
• 2468[21:18:34] <Tramp> No idea - I don't do toilets and windows
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• 2470[21:19:48] <Llamageddon> Please do not tell me about what you do instead of visiting the toilet, I don't want to know
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• 2475[21:23:19] <Llamageddon> I installed ntp, and it all works now
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• 2484[21:30:36] <chuuna> debian testing good choice for desktop?
• 2485[21:31:16] <chuuna> i like stable but the packages is not up to date
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• 2490[21:34:05] <jhutchins> chuuna: If you worry about package version numbers debian is not for you.
• 2491[21:35:08] <jhutchins> chuuna: Testing is not a good choice for a desktop. While some people get away with it, they have good knowledge of Debian package management. Testing is supposed to be broken - that's what it's for. It does not get expidited security patches, security issues are patched in the course of development.
• 2492[21:35:42] <jhutchins> chuuna: If you do choose to run it, it's recommended that you have either a dual-boot or second computer you can use when testing breaks.
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• 2496[21:35:55] <chuuna> alright thanks
• 2497[21:35:57] <jhutchins> chuuna: I like dual-boot, it allows me to chroot and install updates.
• 2498[21:36:38] <jhutchins> chuuna: I like the stable desktop, but I don't use many programs that are under rapid development, so newer versions aren't important to me.
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• 2500[21:37:44] <chuuna> my friend recommend me to use arch, they dont seem to broken packes and up to date version even if it on rolling release
• 2501[21:37:58] <riskox> chuna: when people ask about testing, irc has to give a kind of scary warning, but if you have decent enough linux-fu to be your own support person, testing is nice to use in my experience
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• 2508[21:41:26] <somiaj> chuuna: I've heard it both ways, seen users say they find testing nicer than arch. I think the difference depends on timing. Testing has various phases, right after a release or durining big transitions testing can be harder to deal with than arch, but during the freeze, testing is actually quite nice. arch is more uniform expreience, while testing can depend on timing.
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• 2510[21:42:05] <chuuna> i run debian on all my servers
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• 2513[21:42:48] <chuuna> could you explain why i should use debian instead of ubuntu?
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• 2515[21:43:01] <chuuna> (as desktop)
• 2516[21:43:28] <chuuna> ubuntu comes with some more security features, right?
• 2517[21:43:33] <somiaj> chuuna: personal choice. I like the philosphy of debian more than ubuntu in terms of free software, debian policy and how packages are matained.
• 2518[21:43:33] <Mathisen> chuuna, just use what fits your needs
• 2519[21:43:35] <chuuna> like apparmor
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• 2521[21:43:48] <chuuna> agree somiaj
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• 2525[21:44:15] <chuuna> missing secure boot
• 2526[21:44:21] <somiaj> chuuna: you can get apparmor in debian if you want. ubuntu upgrades every 6 months, and these upgrades seem to have more problems than debian upgrades. Debian stable has a slower release cycle, but things have far more testing. So it really depends on what you want
• 2527[21:44:56] <somiaj> chuuna: correct, ubuntu as a corpration can go into contracts with non-free vendors to get some nicer features for users, debian by the DFSG cannot enter into such aragments, as it is explicty forbidin.
• 2528[21:45:17] <somiaj> chuuna: ubuntu has a more uniform experience, but this gives you less choice. Debian has a far more choice in terms of desktop, windowmanager or software used.
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• 2530[21:45:42] <chuuna> nice
• 2531[21:46:00] <somiaj> so in the end it depends on what you want. Overall I choose debian, but that isn't for everyone. I still run fvwm and don't mind older stable softweare.
• 2532[21:46:10] <riskox> chuuna: you should really just try both for yourself and decide, a couple hours invested in testing for yourself is worth a thousand hours of irc talk when it comes to your own personal needs
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• 2537[21:47:21] <chuuna> im curently running tails atm, but i always been a fan of debian
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• 2539[21:48:08] <webmind> tails is debian based
• 2540[21:48:22] <chuuna> yeah
• 2541[21:48:27] <annadane> just be aware of what to avoid in testing/unstable if you do want to run it (and don't run it on a computer you need to be assured of having 100% uptime for)
• 2542[21:48:49] <annadane> replaced-url
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• 2544[21:49:08] <annadane> oh, sorry, you're not even talking about that, are you
• 2545[21:49:16] <annadane> i just saw "testing" but this is more of an ubuntu vs debian thing
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• 2548[21:49:36] <chuuna> annadane: the first question was about that ;)
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• 2550[21:50:59] <chuuna> i run ubuntu LTS but they also had some outdated packages (which i didnt know) when i installed it so im thinking of switch to debian streach
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• 2552[21:52:27] <chuuna> atleast the packages are more up to date in strech rather then ubuntu lts
• 2553[21:52:27] <annadane> i think lts is 5 years
• 2554[21:52:33] <annadane> for ubuntu
• 2555[21:52:40] <chuuna> ^
• 2556[21:52:45] <annadane> whereas stable relases are 1 1/2-2 years
• 2557[21:52:52] <annadane> s/relases/releases
• 2558[21:53:02] <chuuna> well that is enough for me
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• 2562[21:54:36] <chuuna> anyone tried replaced-url
• 2563[21:54:50] <jhutchins> Is icingaweb2 usable in Debian, or do I need to pull the packages from icinga?
• 2564[21:55:16] <aljoni> Anyone know any good sites for colour palettes?
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• 2567[21:55:42] <annadane> though it bears mentioning that you don't *have to* upgrade as soon as there's a new stable
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• 2569[21:56:06] <annadane> oldstable is still supported for, i believe, another year, in terms of full featured support
• 2570[21:56:31] <annadane> so jessie is still fully supported until june 2018; stretch was released in june 2017
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• 2579[22:00:42] <toothe> is there a wya to put in a bug report with debian?
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• 2582[22:02:07] <well_laid_lawn> !bugs
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• 2592[22:10:20] <jhutchins> When I go to /icinga2 on my server I get a blank white page with /icinga/authentication/login in the URL. Installed from Debian stable, v 2.6.0-2, created token.
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• 2623[22:25:27] <jhutchins> ,v icingaweb2
• 2624[22:25:28] <judd> Package: icingaweb2 on amd64 -- buster: 2.4.1-1; sid: 2.4.1-1; stretch: 2.4.1-1
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• 2631[22:31:34] <tanja84dk> I have noticed a weird network interface that I dont know where its from ( on debian 8 ) and the question if someone know a way to find out where it comes from. Btw my debian 8 is a vps
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• 2703[23:16:32] <cesdo> replaced-url
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• 2705[23:17:00] <cesdo> I'm going to record that radio with wget
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• 2708[23:17:25] <cesdo> And listen to it with deadbeef
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• 2711[23:18:00] <cesdo> hey guys, please help me to get the link of that stream
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• 2726[23:31:49] <digdilem> cesdo, have a look at their podcast pages - they make a lot of stuff available on mp3
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• 2728[23:32:25] <cesdo> digdilem: thanks
• 2729[23:32:36] <cesdo> digdilem: replaced-url
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• 2732[23:32:59] <cesdo> digdilem: It seems, this link works.))
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• 2734[23:33:04] <digdilem> cool
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• 2774[23:59:46] <jcob> I have a debian chroot that always complains `No sandbox user '_apt' on the system, can not drop privileges` when I try to apt-get install
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• 2776[23:59:57] <jcob> has anyone encountered that? and if so, what did you do to get rid of that
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