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26 [00:12:34] <yegortimoshenko> is there a way to fetch package source code (or more specifically, debian patches on top of it) given package name?
27 [00:12:56] <yegortimoshenko> package name and debian branch (say, buster)
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36 [00:19:39] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: add a deb-src line to your sources.list then run 'apt-get source packagename' -- source package names are preferd, but it will convert binary packages into their source name
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38 [00:20:03] <somiaj> note this includes the upstream source and the debian patches, you would have to apply the patches (which happens in the build process)
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41 [00:21:03] <netsrot> Hi, can anyone help me get xsidplay working?
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47 [00:25:35] <somiaj> netsrot: what is xsidplay?
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60 [00:33:54] <tsukuyomi> should I install build-essential ?
61 [00:34:19] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: depends.
62 [00:34:47] <tsukuyomi> on..?
63 [00:34:51] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: are you wanting to build software from source code, then yes. Also some prefer to do this in chroots for a clean build enviorment, and not put the full build enviorment on their main system.
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65 [00:34:57] <somiaj> arg... tsukuyomi ^^
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67 [00:35:19] <yegortimoshenko> somiaj: no, i want to steal your patches for another distro
68 [00:35:22] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: depends on what you want to do.
69 [00:35:27] <tsukuyomi> oh I see hmm no I will not do it lol
70 [00:35:34] <tsukuyomi> yegortimoshenko, hahahahah
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72 [00:35:40] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: then apt-get source packagename, and look in debian/patches
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74 [00:35:54] <somiaj> most of these patches are managed using quilt.
75 [00:36:12] <tsukuyomi> somiaj, thanks :)
76 [00:36:13] <yegortimoshenko> somiaj: we still want to link to them, so i'll probably end up fetching them from svn
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78 [00:37:04] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: the only guarnteed way to get the patches is from the source packages, but many matainers will also ahve them on svn, git, etc, but this can vary from package to package.
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83 [00:38:39] <yegortimoshenko> somiaj: i'm skeptical that there is no central publicly available source for patches. what about, say, replaced-url
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85 [00:39:03] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: you can also get these from packages.debian.org, tracker.debian.org, and it appears that sources.debian.org has copies of the source you can link to, so you can link directly to a patch inside a source package.
86 [00:39:52] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: my understanding is the central publically avaiablel info is all in debian source packages, but it does appear you can get the contents of them from sources.debian.org/src/packagename
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88 [00:40:39] <somiaj> yegortimoshenko: I'm unsure if anonscm.debian.org will have all packages, but I'm not that familar with the full source/build network debian has setup.
89 [00:41:12] <yegortimoshenko> somiaj: thanks!
90 [00:41:14] <somiaj> but replaced-url
91 [00:41:21] <somiaj> (that I only just now found out about)
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94 [00:43:11] <netsrot> somiaj: xsidplay is a music player for c64 music. there is regular sidplay and sidplayfp but when I use those they are missing parts of the music when playing.
95 [00:43:51] <somiaj> netsrot: where are you getting this software from? I did not return any results when search for debian packages for this.
96 [00:44:37] <netsrot> somiaj: it was removed from debian because there was no active maintainer.
97 [00:45:02] <netsrot> somiaj: so I think it's archived somewhere for older versions of debian.
98 [00:45:10] <somiaj> netsrot: which version of debian are you running? Are you using the old package before it was removed, or getting the code from upstream?
99 [00:45:30] <somiaj> note running older packages on a newer version of debian is not supported and may not work.
100 [00:45:52] <netsrot> I was trying to get it to run from sourceforge.net/projects/xsidplay2/
101 [00:46:12] <somiaj> that would be my suggestion, it could be that the debian package isn't fully functional.
102 [00:46:25] <netsrot> I have been using qemu with an old debian version before but I don't remember how to do that atm.
103 [00:46:27] <somiaj> I can't really give more than generic advise. Did you follow their install guide/build it from source? Or using a premade binary?
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105 [00:47:13] <netsrot> The readme/install file said I need libsidplay patched with cia1.patch but I cannot find such file.
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107 [00:48:46] <somiaj> Unsure on any of the details. I would try the support for xsidplay2 in this case, maybe they have an irc channel or a mailing list.
108 [00:48:52] <netsrot> I have tried using premade binary for both linux and also win64 in wine.
109 [00:49:08] <somiaj> But if following their build guide doesn't work, unsure what would be needed to get it up and running.
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119 [00:55:24] <zerocool> anyone wise on kde? running latest with debian, i use hoykeys so much, when rdp'd with remmina i use the windows key for the client i am connected to but kde application thing pops up
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125 [00:55:50] <lap_> hi, using tlp. is there a way to have cpu hotplug / disable hyperthreading (4 cpu cores instead of 8) when booting on battery? laptop mode tools has this but cant use it as breaks system boots for other things
126 [00:56:09] <lap_> if not with tlp how can i automatically disable 4 cpu cores when laptop boots on battery? like laptop mode tools does? im on skylake i7
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131 [00:57:49] <zerocool> i've looked everywhere in keyboard settings for association with only 'meta' to open this panel but see none :/
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133 [00:58:53] <zerocool> also the 'application launcher settings' show that the shortcut is alt-f1
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138 [01:00:43] <somiaj> zerocool: the windows key isn't called 'meta' that is alt, search for Super_L or Super_R for left/right menu keys, and Menu for the menu key
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140 [01:01:20] <somiaj> it also just might be 'modifer 4'
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143 [01:02:42] <zerocool> well for me meta is the windows key... i mean in the settings where is says meta physically maps to my windows key... i am using a standard keyboard and a fresh install of debian with kde
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148 [01:04:55] <somiaj> ahh didn't realize kde called the windows key meta
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158 [01:06:45] <somiaj> hmm, seems it was a feature added in kde 5.8, but not quite sure where the binding for this is, since it is only a modifer key.
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163 [01:08:37] <somiaj> Have you looked in "System Settings -> Input Devices -> Keyboard -> Advanced", seems to have settings to control behavor of Alt/Win, though maybe this is used to set the windows key as meta.
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167 [01:10:04] <somiaj> zerocool: replaced-url
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181 [01:15:05] <evawave> hello
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183 [01:15:24] <somiaj> greetings
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202 [01:22:29] <unicron> how do i use setuid() in debian and why is there no man page for it
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216 [01:29:21] <Epakai> unicron: install manpages-dev
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218 [01:30:21] <unicron> danke
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223 [01:33:05] <zerocool> somiaj: thank you i hope that does it!
224 [01:33:20] <zerocool> i will let you know
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232 [01:37:20] <zerocool> somiaj: that was it, thank you so much for the help googling :)
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254 [01:49:18] <somiaj> zerocool: glad it worked.
255 [01:49:55] <lap_> ? im still here
256 [01:50:07] <gartral> ok all, so I have a rather deep-rooted question... I have a server (HP DL380) that's completely headless, how, at boot, do I make debian's installer talk to a serial port?
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260 [01:51:02] <somiaj> gartral: I think you have to do this through a preseed
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262 [01:51:20] <somiaj> gartral: you can also configure the installer to run over ssh, but again you have to do some stuff to get the ssh server up and running
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264 [01:52:17] <gartral> somiaj: ssh won't work at all, server needs special drivers for network cards
265 [01:52:45] <somiaj> gartral: replaced-url
266 [01:52:45] <gartral> these are easily taken care of once I can talk to the machine though
267 [01:52:58] <somiaj> I found that for jessie, I don't think the installer has changed that much in stretch, so might still work.
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269 [01:53:22] <somiaj> seems you need to edit the boot paramters, because all that isn't supported by default is booting on the serial console
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272 [01:54:28] <somiaj> replaced-url
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277 [01:56:29] <gartral> ok, let's hope this works
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282 [01:58:40] <Nureex> Hi
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285 [01:59:46] <Nureex> any one here?
286 [02:00:32] <Tarrasquero> :°
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337 [02:31:05] <katsumeblisk[m]> I have a dumb question. Would enabling non-free to install Intel WiFi drivers then disabling it be negative in any way? I want to have a completely free system, but I have to compromise a little for internet access. I don't want to risk installing anything else proprietary.
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341 [02:32:55] <Hooloovo0> that would work
342 [02:33:05] <somiaj> katsumeblisk[m]: security upgrades to the firmware would be provided via non-free repo if tehre were any
343 [02:33:26] <Hooloovo0> but you should consider getting a wireless card which does not require binary drivers
344 [02:33:51] <somiaj> Hooloovo0: firmware is not a binary driver, and the cards that don't require firmware, just have ti flashed on the chip.
345 [02:33:52] <katsumeblisk[m]> somiaj: that is something concerned me.
346 [02:34:24] <somiaj> katsumeblisk[m]: you can follow the DSA's so you know if one hits. For the most part i haven't seen firmware updated, so I doubt it is a big deal.
347 [02:34:51] <katsumeblisk[m]> I'm planning on replacing the card, but that requires a lot more research than I have time for right now. I have a T420, so there's a whitelist.
348 [02:35:01] <Hooloovo0> somiaj, I use an ath9k_htc device
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350 [02:35:07] <Hooloovo0> which does in fact have free firmware
351 [02:35:43] <katsumeblisk[m]> I was just curious if I risked breaking Debian by having a package installed without the repo enabled.
352 [02:35:56] <somiaj> katsumeblisk[m]: nope
353 [02:36:01] <katsumeblisk[m]> Thanks for your help. My goal is to get a new WiFi card eventually and replace it.
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361 [02:38:58] <iwikta> Hi there all, I am using MX Linux 16 and thunar as the file explorer and automounting usb drives has just stopped working. Can anyone help me get it working again?
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418 [02:47:10] <somiaj> iwikta: well this is a support channel for debian, not MX linux, you should use their support network.
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427 [02:49:23] <iwikta> somiaj, true. But I don't think that they have an irc channel. As it is debian based I thought I'd give it a go. Thanks anyway
428 [02:49:51] <somiaj> we don't support debian based here, maybe they have a mailing list.
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430 [02:50:07] <somiaj> there is a standard ##linux channel, but I don't know of a debian based linux channel.
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433 [02:52:36] <iwikta> somiaj, Yeah they have a forum
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439 [02:55:23] <iwikta> Just a pain, the trash icon disappeared around the same time. I have a feeling that this one is going to be a tough one for me to fix
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441 [02:56:04] <LookingForClues> Hello, is mingw supposed to support c++11 threading (particularly std::mutex) out-of-the-box in buster?
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465 [03:17:28] <gartral> Ok.. wtf.. I went to reinstall my server and it's failing to install busy box
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468 [03:18:20] <Mathisen> gartral, not helpful, details, error msg why/how/when
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470 [03:20:05] <gartral> replaced-url
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472 [03:20:20] <gartral> Mathisen: ^^^
473 [03:20:27] <Mathisen> !pastebin
474 [03:20:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
475 [03:20:56] <gartral> Mathisen: I literally can't
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477 [03:21:08] <Mathisen> apt works ?
478 [03:21:37] <Mathisen> your_command_that_you_are_running | curl -F c=@- replaced-url
479 [03:21:43] <gartral> Mathisen: see pic. No it doesn't. Also I'm in setup without networking until I install drivers
480 [03:22:09] <mnuhmnuh> gartral: pastebinit can.
481 [03:22:37] <gartral> mnuhmnuh: pastebinit REQUIRS NETWORK
482 [03:23:16] <Mathisen> ok well my eyes hurt when looking @ image so someone else can look
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488 [03:25:05] <gartral> I just rebooted the box... HOPEFULLY it was a one-off bad transfer
489 [03:25:08] <mnuhmnuh> gartral: so, starbucks. your replaced-url
490 [03:25:17] * Mathisen sugest using a netinstall instead of cd anyway
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493 [03:26:27] <gartral> Mathisen: I. Can. Not. Connect. To. The. Internet. Without. The. Drivers.
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496 [03:27:06] <mnuhmnuh> gartral: insstall w non-free included dvd?
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499 [03:27:37] <Mathisen> gartral, replaced-url
500 [03:27:59] <gartral> mnuhmnuh: does that have drivers for broadcom server nics?
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502 [03:28:20] <mnuhmnuh> gartral: likely.
503 [03:28:26] <Mathisen> you can then add 3.rd party drivers to your netinstall iso
504 [03:28:33] * Mathisen goes for coffee
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506 [03:29:17] <gartral> mnuhmnuh: if it fails this time I'll try that
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535 [03:46:37] <gartral> Ok.. that worked.. sorry for being a pain mnuhmnuh and Mathisen
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575 [04:14:08] <mnuhmnuh> gartral: you weren't a pain. i *live* to help people use this stuff. happy for you. :-)
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577 [04:15:34] <mnuhmnuh> carry on, and pass on what you've learned.
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686 [05:10:38] <Sveta> interesting, i've /usr/bin/x-window-manager, but dpkg -S doesn't say which package it belongs to
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690 [05:12:48] <Sveta> why o i have wmaker and wdm installed, but wdm logs me into a blank grey screen instead of wmaker
691 [05:12:51] <Sveta> do
692 [05:12:57] <somiaj> Sveta: it is part of the alternatives system.
693 [05:13:07] <Sveta> hi somiaj
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696 [05:13:15] <somiaj> it is a link to /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager which can be set by update-alternatives
697 [05:13:33] <somiaj> packages postinst script will register themslves with teh alternative system, and update it if there is no default set.
698 [05:13:43] <Sveta> somiaj: sudo update-alternatives x-window-manager ?
699 [05:13:55] <Sveta> somiaj: it says error, unknown argument x-window-manager
700 [05:14:21] <somiaj> Sveta: I think it is update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
701 [05:14:43] <somiaj> man update-alternatives for more info
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703 [05:15:10] <dtux> do people find the need to make 2 identical flash drives when doing important cold-storage backups (GPG or password DB, etc)
704 [05:15:22] <dtux> or is that overkill?
705 [05:15:23] <somiaj> note as for your issue with wdm, this is all overwritten using ~/.xsession, so as a user you can configure what session you use.
706 [05:16:07] <somiaj> dtux: different philosphies. I like the one that any data not on at least three different mediums is considered lost (offsite data to protect against fires is also nice)
707 [05:16:34] <dtux> somiaj: offsite would be nice, but at least i have a fire safe :)
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709 [05:16:40] <somiaj> dtux: note it is overkill until the day you need it.
710 [05:16:44] <somiaj> but that is true about any backup
711 [05:17:00] <dtux> somiaj: do you ever worry about the drives getting out of sync? like backing up one and forgetting to do the other or soemthign?
712 [05:17:20] <Sveta> somiaj: that was useful to know. thanks!
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715 [05:17:52] <somiaj> dtux: I'm bad at backups, so I'm giving you good practice, not what I do.
716 [05:18:24] <somiaj> though I guess between my desktop, work, laptop which I keep fairly synced and a usb backup of other stuff, I'm not completely at a loss.
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718 [05:19:05] <somiaj> dtux: also a backup is only as good as your ability to recover from it. Some suggest you actually test you can restore from your backup. I only backup files and don't use encryption so my backup system is fairly simple to restore. More complex setups you will have to keep in sync.
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720 [05:19:45] <dtux> i mean this isnt data that should change often (or maybe ever), but... still that's kinda my concern. i think im just gonna designate one primary and the other a backup-backup
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723 [05:21:59] <somiaj> test your backups regurally, had one guy here who's backup drive went bad.
724 [05:22:05] <glick> hi, is darktable generally the best photo management and editing software available for gnu?
725 [05:22:56] <somiaj> glick: best is subjetive. gimp is a good photo editing software, but unsure about management
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727 [05:23:19] <glick> i see somiaj
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788 [05:53:22] <karlpinc> Backups are much more useful when you keep multiple copies over time. Otherwise you make a mistake, backup the mistake, and can't recover.
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790 [05:53:32] <Sveta> yes
791 [05:53:38] <Sveta> incrementa backups are helpfu too
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794 [05:54:10] <karlpinc> Sveta: I prefer rsync hardlinked backups. YMMV.
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799 [05:55:27] <karlpinc> glick: Management is tricky. The search terms are "digital asset management".
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808 [05:58:17] <hiexpo> Hi all I installed rvm and when i went to run it i had to edit my profile to run command as login shell is this correct way
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815 [06:00:44] <awal1> ,v rvm
816 [06:00:45] <judd> No package named 'rvm' was found in amd64.
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862 [06:34:06] <graff> are there still debian mips images that will work in qemu?
863 [06:34:45] <graff> guides such as this one, seem to indicate there used to be an image made especially for running in qemu replaced-url
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866 [06:35:11] <graff> i'd like to try this so i can work on developing the mips port for my standard C library
867 [06:35:26] <somiaj> graff: mips is an offical port, why not just do an install?
868 [06:35:35] <somiaj> or are you wanting a premade vm image so you don't have to create one?
869 [06:35:52] <graff> somiaj: so, will these just boot normall in qemu, like with a bootloader?
870 [06:36:10] <graff> somiaj: i don't mind doing the install. i just want anything that will work
871 [06:36:11] <somiaj> they should, qemu will do the emulation, and you should be able to run a full mips vm
872 [06:36:21] <somiaj> now I only nkow this should work, I don't know any details.
873 [06:36:22] <graff> where can i get these images?
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875 [06:36:33] <somiaj> replaced-url
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877 [06:37:14] <somiaj> seems that page hasn't been updated, as I only see jessie info there, but I belive mips is still part of stretch.
878 [06:37:18] <graff> I don't see any links to installer images
879 [06:37:32] <somiaj> replaced-url
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884 [06:37:48] <somiaj> there are links for mips and mips64el and mipsel there
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886 [06:38:02] <somiaj> graff: you get the install images just like you would any other offical debian release
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890 [06:39:55] <graff> and then how would I boot one of these in qemu?
891 [06:39:59] <Friend_to_Pandas> Hi guys. I just put the latest Debian on a Dell Latitude E6430 laptop and the screen keeps not coming back from blank after idle / suspend . So far mate-screensaver-command, xset, xorg.conf, power amanagement, screensaver settings, firmawer-linux-nonfree have all failed to stop this. What should I try next?
892 [06:40:19] <somiaj> graff: I'm unsure on the details there, libvirt might help as a front end to this.
893 [06:40:42] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: what video card/driver?
894 [06:40:44] <graff> i really need help to get this to work
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898 [06:41:14] <graff> it seems like from every guide i read one has to boot the kernel and initrd seperately
899 [06:42:18] <graff> this is one the GNU donated machines, so i don't have root. only access to basic qemu emulators
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901 [06:42:43] <graff> we have mips64, but i really need a mips 32 bit variant
902 [06:43:24] <graff> I am sinking so much time into getting this stuff to work, it seems almost like qemu can only boot intel variants directly
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904 [06:43:33] <somiaj> I would start by reading teh install guide for mips
905 [06:43:58] <graff> that doesn't make any sense that no one knows how to make this boot in qemu
906 [06:44:28] <Friend_to_Pandas> somiaj: Intel HD 4000 integrated
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914 [06:47:26] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: unsure what you should do next. Have you tried to look at the logs to see exactly what is failing to come back up?
915 [06:47:36] <graff> this is just the same installation guide for all of the other images anyway
916 [06:47:56] <graff> which is not of any help
917 [06:49:26] <Friend_to_Pandas> somiaj: that would be smart of me, wouldn't it. good point. I'll go figure out where those logs would be, thanks.
918 [06:49:44] <Friend_to_Pandas> The screen doesn't die, it stays backlit and blank, so it might not even show up as a problem?
919 [06:49:45] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: to make journald persistant 'mkdir /var/log/journal'
920 [06:50:07] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: you could also say run sshd and see if you can ssh into the system, so this just means something with the video isn't comming back, but the os is fine
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923 [06:52:51] <somiaj> graff: replaced-url
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925 [06:53:31] <somiaj> graff: and it isn't uncommon for other hardware to need extra stuff like this to boot, but a lot of this depends on the firmware of the machine (in this case the virutal firmware provided by qemu)
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928 [06:56:23] <graff> somiaj: did you ever think about trying to actually run the stuff you link?
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940 [07:02:12] <graff> somiaj: i made major modifications to the thing you found and it worked
941 [07:02:14] <graff> thank you
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962 [07:14:27] <HscH> hi, I have a question regarding git-buildpackage - where to save the debian packaging branch (same repo as upstream or different repo). Is there a separate channel I can ask the question in or a mailing list I can subscribe to.
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966 [07:17:05] <somiaj> HscH: it is usually best to not include a debian/ in the upstream sources, unsure on what best pratices is. #packaging or #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net would be a good place to ask. #debian-mentors is for making packages for the offical repos, while #packaging is general packagin questions
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969 [07:19:57] <HscH> somiaj: thanks
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972 [07:21:52] <HscH> hi, I'm busy packing an app we've created for internal use in the company. The source code is stored in Git and we have full control over the repo. Thus I started looking at git-buildpackage. Here is my question: would you store the git-buildpackage commits in a branch (debian) in the upstream repo, or would you create a separate repo for building the Debian package? If you do store the git-buildpackage commits in the upstream repo,
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975 [07:23:09] <somiaj> HscH: you didn't actually change channels, and the channels I mentioned are on a different entwork, irc.oftc.net
976 [07:23:32] <HscH> Ooops
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980 [07:27:02] <leptone> I'm trying to install vim-plug (replaced-url
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982 [07:27:20] <leptone> curl -fLo ~/.vim/autoload/plug.vim --create-dirs replaced-url
983 [07:27:39] <leptone> But it doesn't seem to be creating the ~/.vim dir
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985 [07:28:03] <leptone> Nor does curl seem to be downloading anything
986 [07:28:13] <leptone> Am I missing something?
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1107 [08:58:59] <aicra> Hi @CowboyNeal!
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1120 [09:05:29] <graff> alright, so i followed that guide. but of course i have to boot mips in qemu using the initrd from the installer
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1122 [09:05:40] <graff> which ends me back up at the installation menu
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1127 [09:06:14] <graff> what is the sequence of commands to change out of the installer initrd and into the base system it installed
1128 [09:06:18] <graff> this is pretty advanced
1129 [09:06:52] <graff> and i can't mount the qemu.img and get the new initrd because i don't have root on the donated GNU machine
1130 [09:07:12] <graff> i tried switch_root, but that is not really correct
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1134 [09:07:55] <graff> using this guide, but with updated versions from jessie replaced-url
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1138 [09:09:26] <graff> basically, i need to mount /dev/sda1 and then change root into it and have everything run normally
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1141 [09:10:18] <graff> I don't think I can use the init system. i can try again with switch_root, but am afraid of botching my install up
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1145 [09:12:22] <gartral> hey all, so I brought up a vm in xen, I'm new to xen... so getting used to it... now it's running, it's given me a root password that's ungodly long... how do I change it without logging in to the system?
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1158 [09:19:32] <gartral> nvm, i'm an idiot
1159 [09:19:56] <gartral> I seem to be being an idiot a lot today x.x
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1164 [09:21:30] <graff> ok, so i got it
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1166 [09:21:50] <graff> the next time through you can specify just the kernel to qemu, and that is enough to get the qemu hard drive up
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1192 [09:34:03] <awal1> gartral, wh you won't login with that "long" password and then, as root, use 'passwd' command to change your root password?
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1195 [09:35:25] <awal1> or use grub for invoke bash and then use passwd
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1226 [09:53:10] <Friend_to_Pandas> Does seem like I can get around my laptop's odd screen blanking on idle / suspend by just hitting Ctrl Alt F1 every time. Thanks for the suggestion somiaj
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1237 [10:02:00] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: then it is most likely something to do with the video card. I do recall something about the older intel hd 4000 cards, maybe that can help you find a solution looking at the video card.
1238 [10:02:25] <somiaj> Friend_to_Pandas: might also be acpi/apm issues since it doesn't seem to be comming out of powersaving mode correctly
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1259 [10:15:30] <Friend_to_Pandas> somiaj: probably. I haven't found the right things Googling yet... Anyway, now the thing is usable. I can live with this.
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1331 [10:53:47] <dissidence> wifi network WEP key where can i find it?
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1333 [10:54:20] <dissidence> is it possible to install wifi network connection after the installation of debian?
1334 [10:54:21] <babilen> dissidence: You could ask the local administrator for the password.
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1336 [10:54:32] <babilen> (and recommend to use WPA2)
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1338 [10:55:01] <dissidence> is WEP key same as network password?
1339 [10:55:05] <kirk781> "install wifi network connection" ; what does it even mean?
1340 [10:55:18] <bolt> dissidence: don't use WEP
1341 [10:55:50] <dissidence> wifi network is not DHCP enabled is this is problem to install wifi?
1342 [10:55:54] <kirk781> Nothing less than WPA2 is secure now
1343 [10:56:02] <RoyK> dissidence: WEP was supposed to be secure (somehow) in the ninetees ;)
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1346 [10:56:17] <RoyK> (along with DES-56)
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1351 [10:57:55] <bolt> dissidence: you don't need a DHCP server, but any sane network, even offline ones, would have one, because why the heck not?
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1353 [10:58:34] <bolt> dissidence: an offline network without dhcp is simply setting yourself up to go around changing a bunch of configuration manually when you want to extend the subnet or move things around in the future
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1361 [11:02:55] <Lyberta> is there a way to easily install GNU IceCat as a deb package? a repository somewhere?
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1364 [11:03:18] <dissidence> does debian support toshiba laptop?
1365 [11:04:29] <kirk781> replaced-url
1366 [11:04:46] <bolt> dissidence: unless the laptop in question was launched yesterday and nobody has had time to work on it yet, laptops generally work well with debian
1367 [11:04:48] <RoyK> Lyberta: replaced-url
1368 [11:05:28] <bolt> dissidence: check the support for critical components such as whatever graphics card and wifi adapter it uses. you can find the model numbers of those on the manufacturer's webpage, generally
1369 [11:05:58] <dissidence> this laptop is a standard toshiba model with a new ssd disk
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1371 [11:06:43] <bolt> dissidence: check the support for critical components such as whatever graphics card and wifi adapter it uses. you can find the model numbers of those on the manufacturer's webpage, generally
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1373 [11:07:29] <bolt> dissidence: just like a desktop, the brand and form factor is generally irrelevant. what you want is support for whatever chipsets and components are inside.
1374 [11:07:38] <dissidence> toshiba tecra m5
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1376 [11:07:59] <dissidence> okay i ll give it a try
1377 [11:08:21] <dissidence> with a debian 8 install
1378 [11:08:29] <dissidence> thnks
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1380 [11:08:44] <bolt> dissidence: try a livecd, perhaps?
1381 [11:08:47] <bolt> :/
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1384 [11:09:17] <petn-randall> ... or try at least Debian 9 ...
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1387 [11:10:49] <bolt> why do people disconnect from irc? he's not about to try to install an operating system he's not sure will work on his only internet capable machine, is he?
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1390 [11:12:45] <armin> wow, ftp.de.debian.org STILL has no AAAA record.
1391 [11:12:51] <armin> :(
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1394 [11:13:37] <petn-randall> armin: That's why you use deb.debian.org ;)
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1399 [11:14:06] <armin> petn-randall: oh come on, it's the one being PRE selected even in the debian installer if you choose germany as your location.
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1406 [11:14:47] <armin> petn-randall: my apologies, but trolling won't help with a move to ipv6. :)
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1419 [11:17:02] <armin> petn-randall: quite frankly, i do care about this, it's almost 2018 and i find myself with ipv6 connectivity only pretty often, especially in germany, thanks to broken networks. i can't understand they STILL won't have an AAAA record in 2018. i usually take the .nl mirrors because of this even when in .de ...
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1424 [11:18:11] <gartral> armin: is there any particualr networking reason for your hatred of ipv4?
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1426 [11:18:26] <armin> gartral: i don't hate ipv4, at all.
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1428 [11:18:42] <ForceRecon> anyone else having an issue where when you go to move an open window it constantly maximizes and it takes you like 4 tries to grab the window
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1430 [11:18:59] <gartral> ForceRecon: that's your mouse
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1432 [11:19:27] <gartral> ForceRecon: I'm having the exact. same. issue. and it's the spring in the microswitch in my mouse
1433 [11:19:49] <ForceRecon> could be,, just has been working fine till yesterday.. then boom
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1435 [11:20:00] <ForceRecon> well.. I guess Ill deal
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1437 [11:20:11] <ForceRecon> its a major pia
1438 [11:20:21] <ForceRecon> thanks
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1440 [11:20:45] <armin> gartral: what makes you think people who love ipv6 hate ipv4?
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1442 [11:21:12] <somiaj> armin: my understanding is the old ftp.<country code>.debian.org mirror redirector is left around for historical/compadability reasons, but one should really be using deb.debian.org, or using an actual mirror (not a redirector)
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1444 [11:22:00] <somiaj> unsure if this has anything to do with why they aren't adding ipv6 records for them or not, but if deb.debian.org works, that is the suggested mirror to use from what I've seen.
1445 [11:22:19] <armin> somiaj: then that's clearly a bug in the installer.
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1447 [11:22:37] <gartral> somiaj: then someone should update the installers to reflect that, because they universally suggest ftp.(country code).debian.org
1448 [11:22:47] <armin> exactly.
1449 [11:22:51] <somiaj> armin: I agree. I'm unsure why the installer is still putting the country code redirectors as the first one in the list.
1450 [11:23:01] <armin> somiaj: mh, interesting.
1451 [11:23:37] <armin> somiaj: also, as long as "historical" dns entries exist, people might use them. it's a good thing if they're able to speak to a server when they do, in case they have v6 only they won't, though.
1452 [11:23:47] <somiaj> though note, there has been lots of revisions of the new redirector, and it is only recentally that it is now offically deb.debian.org, there was a lot of various revisions of this like httpredir.debian.net and the likes, so the installer maybe just slow to update.
1453 [11:23:57] <armin> somiaj: i still believe there's nothing wrong with adding an AAAA record here, other country mirrors do that, too.
1454 [11:24:15] <armin> somiaj: good to know. ty.
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1456 [11:24:44] <somiaj> armin: wouldn't all mirrors used by ftp.<country code>.debian.org need an AAAA record? It is a round robin redirector, and if one doesn't have an AAAA entry...
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1459 [11:25:32] <armin> somiaj: sure it's round robin? i get 141.76.2.4 from all servers i try.
1460 [11:25:33] <somiaj> though unsure if it could have a list of ipv6 compadable mirrors and ipv4 mirrors indepdently on the same redirector.
1461 [11:26:00] <armin> sure could.
1462 [11:26:20] <armin> somiaj: what are you referencing to by "redirector", technically?
1463 [11:27:05] <somiaj> my understanding is ftp.<country code>.debian.org is not an actual mirror, but mearly a collection of mirrors for that country.
1464 [11:27:12] <armin> from what i see it's just an A record and that's it. no CNAME, no round-robin, nothing.
1465 [11:27:25] <armin> did you try resolving ftp.de.debian.org?
1466 [11:27:35] <somiaj> note, I only know the us one.
1467 [11:27:38] <somiaj> !ftp.us.debian.org
1468 [11:27:38] <dpkg> Some mirrors like ftp.us.debian.org have multiple machines serving them in a DNS round robin. This often isn't a problem but if one machine hasn't updated properly or is down, this can cause apt to complain (e.g. with hashsum mismatch). Instead, use the mirror CDN <deb.debian.org> or pick an individual mirror that is close to you (ask me about <mirrors>).
1469 [11:27:48] <armin> again, did you try resolving ftp.de.debian.org?
1470 [11:28:21] <armin> :)
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1481 [11:32:45] <somiaj> still ftp.de.debian.org is just an alais, seems to a single mirror. I am trying to see if I can figure what mirror it is actually pointing at. AT least check if that mirror has an AAAA record.
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1484 [11:33:48] <somiaj> but it appears that ftp.de.debian.org is a single mirror, while the one I'm use to, ftp.us.debian.org has 3 mirrors.
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1493 [11:36:58] <somiaj> armin: does ftp2.de.debian.org have an AAAA record?
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1499 [11:37:38] <dissidence> debian installer asks for ESSID for wifi network where can i find ESSID?
1500 [11:37:58] <somiaj> dissidence: do you have another device on that wirless network?
1501 [11:38:11] <dissidence> yes
1502 [11:38:24] <somiaj> you might be able to open up a console, alt-f2, and scan it, but the essid is just the name of the network.
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1504 [11:38:33] <somiaj> you can look up the name on another device, might be easier.
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1506 [11:39:15] <dissidence> i tried the name for SSID but the installer fails to connect
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1508 [11:39:31] <dissidence> password or WPA2 is correct
1509 [11:39:49] <somiaj> dissidence: what wifi card are you using? Did you get the unoffical installer that contains non-free firmware?
1510 [11:39:59] <dissidence> right
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1512 [11:40:22] <dissidence> the installer mentions firmware non free iwlwifi-3945-2.ucode
1513 [11:40:42] <somiaj> if you don't have the installer with the non-free firmware, you will have to install it before you can connect.
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1515 [11:41:07] <dissidence> im on win10 system its a bit of a problem
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1517 [11:41:09] <somiaj> you could complete the install without the network (even the net installer can install a base system with no network), then copy over the firmware, get your network up and continoue, or use an unoffical firmware image.
1518 [11:41:15] <p0g0> dissidence: Can you find a wired connection?
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1520 [11:41:35] <dissidence> p0g0: no its all wireless wifi
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1527 [11:42:45] <dissidence> even i can find the firmware non free i could copy it to usb but no ext3 support on M$
1528 [11:42:48] <somiaj> dissidence: I can also point you at an installer that contains the non-free firwmare.
1529 [11:43:05] <dissidence> then i have to burn a disk
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1531 [11:43:18] <somiaj> or copy it to a usb thumbdrive with win32diskimager
1532 [11:43:42] <somiaj> dissidence: anyways, you need to get the non-free firmware on the system to use that intel wifi card. There are various ways to go about it, so pick one that is most convient for you.
1533 [11:44:00] <somiaj> note, you could copy it over with just a fat32 partition, no need for ext3.
1534 [11:44:17] <dissidence> okay fat32
1535 [11:44:30] <somiaj> dissidence: is this debian stretch?
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1537 [11:44:51] <dissidence> the installer is debian 8 jessy
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1541 [11:45:08] <dissidence> its an older laptop
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1543 [11:45:20] <somiaj> might want to just install debian stretch (the newer release) and get the firmware image, but if you want jessie here you go
1544 [11:45:24] <somiaj> replaced-url
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1548 [11:45:46] <somiaj> you can complete the isntall without the network, then copy that over to isntall the firmware to get the network up to install additional stuff
1549 [11:45:52] <jsoft> Im wanting to get a debian vps up, but I am wondering what fs setup I should use for future hdd expansion
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1551 [11:46:20] <somiaj> jsoft: ext4 can be resied, usually the partition is the harder part, and people use lvm for that.
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1554 [11:46:53] <jsoft> Ok so if I install with lvm I should be good to go later on?
1555 [11:46:56] <dissidence> to downlaod the firmware i have to buy it?
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1559 [11:47:46] <iodev> dissidence :D hahaaha
1560 [11:47:52] <iodev> Best joke ever!
1561 [11:48:00] <iodev> No it's free
1562 [11:48:11] <dissidence> no, this pc contains win10 which might get broken during installation somiaj
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1565 [11:48:35] <somiaj> dissidence: non-free in debian means it doesn't meet debian's free software guidlines, not that you have to pay for it. In this case you don't have to pay anything, it just isn't 'free software' as in 'free beer'
1566 [11:48:38] <iodev> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list to add non free (after you install debian)
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1568 [11:48:48] <dissidence> so network support has to get installed and configured at the install
1569 [11:48:48] <somiaj> dissidence: arg, sorry, 'free' as in freedom, not as in 'free beer'
1570 [11:48:59] <iodev> No actually it's proprietary
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1572 [11:49:36] <iodev> But it doesn't run on your PC, instead it runs on the devices microcontroller
1573 [11:49:44] <dissidence> can you point me the download link on this page replaced-url
1574 [11:49:57] <somiaj> dissidence: scroll down
1575 [11:50:04] <iodev> You should use stretch debian 9
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1578 [11:50:38] <somiaj> dissidence: I personally think getting the firmware installer will be easiset for you. But that is just my opinion.
1579 [11:50:57] <dissidence> okay downloaded it
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1581 [11:51:06] <somiaj> !firmware images
1582 [11:51:06] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1584 [11:51:16] <dissidence> then write it to usb with fat32 and use that during the install
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1587 [11:52:03] <somiaj> dissidence: follow the install guide of using it during the install, you can also as I say, skip the network during the install, then deal with it afterwards (my prefered method so I have a full base system to use)
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1591 [11:52:14] <jelangkung> hi, how to install bumblebee during first instalation? my laptop cannot boot because of nouveau driver error
1592 [11:52:22] <dissidence> the debian iso to burn to cd for dual processor on i386 systems is multi-arch?
1593 [11:52:37] <somiaj> jelangkung: just disable the display manager (or don't install one)
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1595 [11:53:13] <somiaj> dissidence: there is a multi-arch installer, but you don't need to use it, there is also a single arch installer, one for i386 and one for amd64.
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1598 [11:54:10] <armin> somiaj: yeah it does.
1599 [11:54:15] <iodev> jelangkung you can chroot
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1602 [11:54:26] <jelangkung> somia: there's no such options from live media. i just clicked continue :)
1603 [11:54:42] <jelangkung> iodev: that's what i'm trying to do now
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1605 [11:55:06] <iodev> Do it after it offers shutdown/reboot/etc
1606 [11:55:32] <iodev> Alternatively you can debootstrap on another PC
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1608 [11:55:33] <somiaj> armin: I didn't find a nice way to track down what mirror ftp.de.debian.org is, maybe you can see if the actual mirror has an AAAA record and it just isn't included in the alias. AT least there are some mirrors you can use.
1609 [11:55:37] <dissidence> why is the debian install cd version 9 only 400Mb?
1610 [11:55:54] <somiaj> dissidence: because it downloads most the packages it needs from the internet.
1611 [11:56:03] <dissidence> net installler?
1612 [11:56:11] <petn-randall> dissidence: yes
1613 [11:56:13] <somiaj> dissidence: that is what it is called, but note it contains a full base system.
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1615 [11:56:59] <dissidence> what are the pre requirement to burn it to cd with win10?
1616 [11:56:59] <armin> somiaj: well i don't know what you're referencing to as "alias" here - there is no CNAME or round-robin in place. ftp.de.debian.org is an A record to 141.76.2.4, and 141.76.2.4 reversely looked up reveals ftp.de.debian.org - no magic here.
1617 [11:57:03] <somiaj> jelangkung: it is usually suggested to not use the live system to install debian from. At least boot into the installer on the live medium. You may have to manually disable the display manager during the install if xorg isn't working.
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1619 [11:57:23] <dissidence> is it possible to burn the stretch iso to cd with win10
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1621 [11:57:44] <p0g0> dissidence: once you have the base installed, the repository files will become available over the net. Yes, you can burn that iso as usual.
1622 [11:57:56] <petn-randall> dissidence: Burning the Debian installer is not different from burning any other ISO.
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1624 [11:58:13] <dissidence> ok
1625 [11:58:19] <dissidence> thnks guys
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1628 [11:58:52] <somiaj> armin: yea, I'm more use to the ftp.us.debian.org one. I still thought ftp.CC.debian.org was an alias, though I coudl be reading outdated, or missleading info.
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1631 [11:59:55] <armin> somiaj: my guess is that the info you read is completely right, but the admins of ftp.de.debian.org overlooked to make it available via v6, too, or that the hoster they use doesn't provide proper ipv6 or something like that.
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1633 [12:00:12] <jelangkung> gtg gonna try bootstrap. thanks all.
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1641 [12:01:17] <somiaj> armin: ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/project/trace -- I think that gives the actual mirror, but unsure how to read it.
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1643 [12:01:49] <somiaj> armin: but it appears the actual mirror is debian.inf.tu-dresden.de
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1645 [12:02:26] <somiaj> but it does seem fairly offical since reverse dns is giving ftp.de.debian.org
1646 [12:02:31] <armin> somiaj: replaced-url
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1648 [12:02:38] <armin> yeah exactly.
1649 [12:03:22] <somiaj> armin: I don't know how to check for ipv6 recrods, but does the mirror debian.inf.tu-dresden.de have one.
1650 [12:03:45] <armin> somiaj: you can just use the "host", "dig" or "nslookup" programs i think.
1651 [12:03:54] <armin> somiaj: no it doesn't.
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1653 [12:04:16] <somiaj> armin: I was using dig, but wasn't sure if I wasn't seeing it because I dn't have ipv6 enabled
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1655 [12:05:01] <armin> somiaj: using dig you just do a DNS lookup, that will give you the records for a specific hostname, no matter if the computer you're in front of later on could access them or not.
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1657 [12:05:28] <somiaj> armin: thanks, I don't use the tools all that often, so I wasn't sure.
1658 [12:05:40] <armin> somiaj: no worries. :)
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1682 [12:11:02] <somiaj> armin: hmm, dig ftp2.de.debian.org is not showing me the AAAA record (thoug you said it had one)
1683 [12:11:27] <fast> It does for me
1684 [12:12:15] <somiaj> just unsure why I"m not seeing it. I'm using googles, 8.8.8.8 name server.
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1686 [12:12:26] <armin> somiaj: try: dig ftp2.de.debian.org AAAA
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1691 [12:14:02] <CutMeOwnThroat> are you STLL at the dns record thing
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1693 [12:14:11] <babilen> Interesting that ftp2.de is hosted in Sweden :)
1694 [12:14:12] <somiaj> armin: thanks, so yea by default it was only showing me ipv4, wasn't sure what I needed to do to get the ipv6 record. thanks
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1702 [12:19:52] <supoplex> Hello
1703 [12:19:59] <armin> babilen: yeah :)
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1812 [13:22:15] <AndreasLutro> I'm packaging some systemd timers, what do I need to do to enable them? I've tried `override_dh_systemd_start: dh_systemd_start -pmypkg mytimer.timer` but doesn't seem to make a difference
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1823 [13:28:00] <babilen> AndreasLutro: I'd take this to #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org (aka irc.oftc.net)
1824 [13:28:21] <KpuCko> does anybody have working setup of r1-soft hot-copy on debian 9?
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1828 [13:31:11] <dissidence> is it possible to reformat usb sticks with the debian installer?
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1830 [13:32:07] <jelly> dissidence: there's no need to reformat, you just write down the installer image onto the whole device and the image has its own format
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1832 [13:32:29] <dissidence> well jelly these new usb sticks have 14Gs of space
1833 [13:32:38] <jelly> it doesn't matter
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1835 [13:33:10] <dissidence> i need a first primary partitiion to hold some windowz data about 1G fat32
1836 [13:33:25] <dissidence> you think thats possible with the installer?
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1838 [13:33:55] <jelly> maybe, but not easily. Just use one whole stick for the installer.
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1840 [13:34:05] <dissidence> okay thanks
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1844 [13:37:07] <Drzacek> Hello
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1847 [13:38:14] <Drzacek> I installed minimal debian (chose only base system + ssh server). Then installed lightdm and openbox - without any configuration, the system boot automatically to login screen, and after entering login/password - it loads openbox gui
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1851 [13:39:02] <Drzacek> I then changed lightdm.conf to enable autologin - which seem to work, with only difference - my destkop stays black instead of showing wallpaper (right-click menu and programs seem to work normally)
1852 [13:39:22] <Drzacek> How can I fix this?
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1862 [13:46:11] <tw> make sure you start a shell tool that populates the background
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1867 [13:49:10] <tw> like nitrogen --restore & or feh --bg-fill image.jpg
1868 [13:49:12] <petn-randall> KpuCko: Doesn't look like Debian is supported. The "supported" Debian releases are "4.0 (etch), 5.0 (lenny) 6.0 (squeeze)", which have been out of support by Debian for quite a while now.
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1870 [13:49:32] <petn-randall> KpuCko: I recommend upgrading to a service that supports current Debian releases.
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1906 [14:12:02] <KpuCko> petn-randall you mean hot-copy alternative?
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1911 [14:14:28] <petn-randall> KpuCko: yes.
1912 [14:14:39] <petn-randall> !squeeze
1913 [14:14:39] <dpkg> Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" was released on 2011-02-06 and is the oldoldstable release: replaced-url
1914 [14:15:03] <petn-randall> KpuCko: The last release they supported. ^^^
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1917 [14:15:37] <KpuCko> can you point me to something like that?
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1927 [14:19:17] <petn-randall> KpuCko: I guess LVM snapshots do the same, but I don't know the product.
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1935 [14:21:56] <KpuCko> the idea is, im trying to do vm and lxc containers live backup with full and incremental backups
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1937 [14:22:20] <KpuCko> for full backup im using proxmox vzdump tool, and it seems to work what i expect to do
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1939 [14:22:38] <KpuCko> but there is no way to do inceremental backup with vzdum
1940 [14:22:45] <KpuCko> so i need third party software..
1941 [14:22:59] <petn-randall> KpuCko: Oh, you are running proxmox?
1942 [14:23:04] <KpuCko> yes, i do
1943 [14:23:07] <petn-randall> !proxmox
1944 [14:23:08] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
1945 [14:23:18] <petn-randall> KpuCko: Try asking in their support channel. ^^^
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1949 [14:24:24] <KpuCko> the idea is not the support, just want somebody to share knowledge
1950 [14:25:43] <kopper> The idea is not to limit transfer of knowledge, just want to direct you to place where you most likely get helpful answers
1951 [14:25:47] <kopper> Or something like that
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1958 [14:28:18] <petn-randall> KpuCko: I see. I can't say much about vzdump, but the bread-and-butter way is to create LVM or KVM snapshots of the VMs and back those up. For example using bacula/bareos/borg.
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1961 [14:29:28] <KpuCko> yeah, i also reading about bacula
1962 [14:29:33] <KpuCko> bacula sounds great
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1965 [14:29:51] <KpuCko> petn-randall thanks for the support
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1974 [14:33:54] <bmatt> petn-randall: fuck off
1975 [14:34:29] <darxmurf> KpuCko: there is Bareos too, fork of bacula
1976 [14:34:38] <NetTerminalGene> what package should i install to get netstat?
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1979 [14:34:51] <petn-randall> KpuCko: You're welcome!
1980 [14:34:55] <petn-randall> bmatt: You're back again?
1981 [14:35:12] <darxmurf> oh sorry just saw petn-randall answer proposing bareos
1982 [14:36:04] <bmatt> petn-randall: only temporarily, apparently.
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1985 [14:37:34] <petn-randall> bmatt: Why don't you vent your issues somewhere else and become a productive member of #debian? I can assure you it's more fulfilling for both sides.
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1988 [14:38:09] <bmatt> petn-randall: well, that's a goal. getting scolded for something so rudimentary is kinda detrimental to the process, though.
1989 [14:38:25] <petn-randall> bmatt: Getting scolded for what exactly?
1990 [14:38:37] <bmatt> petn-randall: i'm sure you log your buffer.
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1992 [14:39:12] <petn-randall> bmatt: Well, but I might have a different opinion of what counts as scolding, and I want to hear yours.
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1995 [14:40:01] <bmatt> petn-randall: my opinion of scolding is the definition of scolding.
1996 [14:40:17] <petn-randall> bmatt: Do you want to tell me or not?
1997 [14:40:34] <bmatt> petn-randall: do you want to ask a less condescending question? or just ban me. i think that's what you really want (from experience)
1998 [14:41:07] <petn-randall> bmatt: No, but feel free to continue this discussion with me on #debian-offtopic. Assuming you're actually interested in discussing this.
1999 [14:41:42] <bmatt> certainly.
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2004 [14:43:42] <darxmurf> ...
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2030 [14:54:07] <tsukuyomi> hi :) How can I safely remove an external drive using the command line?
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2040 [15:01:46] <darxmurf> tsukuyomi: umount /dev/sdX
2041 [15:01:59] <darxmurf> or umount /path/to/mounted/drive
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2047 [15:08:47] <nomic> tsukuyomi umount -l
2048 [15:08:58] <nomic> un-mounts a m ounted drive
2049 [15:09:03] <tsukuyomi> the difference I notice between umount and the gui option "safely remove drive", is that the lights of the external hard disk won't turn off with umount.
2050 [15:09:08] <nomic> umount -l pathname
2051 [15:09:21] <nomic> sudo umount -l volumepathname
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2054 [15:11:41] <tsukuyomi> nomic, I did, but the lights stay on
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2056 [15:12:09] <CutMeOwnThroat> tsukuyomi, as far as I could figure that out, the gui things do something like the equivalent of udisks --unmount /dev/disk/by-label/xxx && udisks --detach /dev/disk/by-id/xxx
2057 [15:12:29] <CutMeOwnThroat> udisks uses some policykit stuff to determine which user is allowed to do that
2058 [15:12:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> also, it's safe to remove a removable drive if all partitions on it are unmounted
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2061 [15:13:10] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's irrelevant if it also got a command to switch off
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2064 [15:13:27] <tsukuyomi> CutMeOwnThroat, even if the lights are still on?
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2066 [15:14:13] <CutMeOwnThroat> if nothing is mounted (or writing to the raw device), it's not in use
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2068 [15:14:40] <CutMeOwnThroat> umount will wait for everything to be written out before returning
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2071 [15:15:02] <tsukuyomi> the lights turned off now
2072 [15:15:06] <CutMeOwnThroat> although there is an option to do a "lazy" unmount… in which case it won't
2073 [15:15:11] <tsukuyomi> but it took about 10 mins
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2079 [15:16:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> I'd guess that's the disk itself going to sleep if nobody is accessing it
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2082 [15:16:44] <tsukuyomi> I think so :)
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2087 [15:17:00] <tsukuyomi> CutMeOwnThroat, to mount it I just run "mount" right?
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2091 [15:19:39] <darxmurf> if you really want to stop the disk, you can use hdparm to force it to stop but I don't think it's usefull.
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2093 [15:20:05] <darxmurf> the heads are parked when you umount it
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2102 [15:25:26] <tsukuyomi> darxmurf, is umount for an external hard disk ok?
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2145 [15:49:13] <darxmurf> yes
2146 [15:49:50] <darxmurf> just umount it then unplug and done
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2181 [16:06:54] <brw> I'd love to declare war on all passive voice sentences coming out of the Debian crew, but I think I'm the only one that gets annoyed with them :)
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2198 [16:16:10] <jelly> brw: any such attacks will be met with silence.
2199 [16:16:26] <brw> jelly: As expected.
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2264 [16:39:09] <jhutchins> brw: Who exactly would "the Debian crew" be?
2265 [16:39:46] <brw> Well, it's kind of everyone. So if you look at the security messages, you will see a lot of "It was determined" sentences in the notices.
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2270 [16:40:12] <brw> I jsut did a package upgrade (not sure which package it was) and there was a bunch of passive voice all over the upgrade messages for the packages
2271 [16:40:47] <brw> Add to that the non-native speakers who volunteer their time to keep Debian great.
2272 [16:41:10] <brw> it's a pipe dream unless someone were to create/update a style guide for Debian, and then work to train/educate. Not sure the folks in charge would think it's a good idea.
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2275 [16:42:17] <Niger> ptitude build-dep libpng12-0 says Unable to find the source package for "libpng12-0"
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2277 [16:42:35] <Niger> trying to backport
2278 [16:42:41] <gpunk> neither
2279 [16:42:45] <gpunk> it s on jessie
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2283 [16:43:02] <gpunk> ,v libpng12
2284 [16:43:03] <judd> No package named 'libpng12' was found in amd64.
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2287 [16:43:17] <Niger> But it's in sid: replaced-url
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2289 [16:43:45] <gpunk> dosnt mean it s in backports
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2291 [16:43:57] <Niger> I'm trying to make a simple sid backport.
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2293 [16:44:03] <gpunk> i looked fro it too reacently
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2295 [16:44:16] <gpunk> i had to download it manually
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2298 [16:45:06] <gpunk> ,v libpng12-0
2299 [16:45:07] <judd> Package: libpng12-0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 1.2.49-1+deb7u2; jessie-security: 1.2.50-2+deb8u2; jessie: 1.2.50-2+deb8u3
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2303 [16:46:11] <gpunk> and in another machine, i activated jessie repository, but that is unsupported
2304 [16:46:24] <Niger> How do I get it for stretch?
2305 [16:46:34] <gpunk> download it
2306 [16:46:38] <Niger> Where?
2307 [16:46:45] <Niger> Which?
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2309 [16:46:56] <gpunk> depends on your arch
2310 [16:47:01] <Niger> amd64
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2312 [16:47:10] <gpunk> hold on
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2315 [16:47:47] <Niger> I need it for GMAT, NASA's General Mission Analysis Tool
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2317 [16:48:17] <gpunk> here
2318 [16:48:19] <gpunk> replaced-url
2319 [16:48:36] <gpunk> yeah yeah ...
2320 [16:48:47] <gpunk> i am helping a nasa engeneer now
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2323 [16:49:05] <Niger> Sorry, I'm not a nasa engineer.
2324 [16:49:16] <gpunk> very well then
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2329 [16:50:22] <Niger> So with the -dev I can make the runtime library for the gmat binary?
2330 [16:50:45] <gpunk> i guess :)
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2332 [16:50:55] <gpunk> i have no clue what your setup is
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2334 [16:51:13] <Niger> I downloaded the gmat binary on stretch.
2335 [16:51:34] <gpunk> if you have a binary , you dont need the -dev
2336 [16:51:42] <Niger> ok
2337 [16:51:49] <gpunk> you need the lib
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2339 [16:52:48] <Niger> How do I get the lib?
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2344 [16:53:23] <girlbeach> I just post some hot pictures on replaced-url
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2347 [16:53:30] <gpunk> you download this replaced-url
2348 [16:53:51] <Niger> ok
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2354 [16:55:47] <Niger> gpunk: Yay, wow, it's runnig. Full GUI :).
2355 [16:55:49] <Niger> thx!
2356 [16:55:58] <Niger> I tried to get this for years.
2357 [16:56:07] <gpunk> you'r welcome
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2404 [17:10:06] <eschmidbauer> what is the best way to add a "floating" IP address to debian 9 ?
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2407 [17:10:30] <gpunk> floating ?
2408 [17:10:34] <celyr> yeah
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2411 [17:10:36] <celyr> floating ?
2412 [17:10:43] <gpunk> wtf is that ?
2413 [17:10:47] <eschmidbauer> i guess an IP that is easily moved
2414 [17:10:49] <gpunk> (lol)
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2416 [17:10:59] <gpunk> heuin ?
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2419 [17:11:33] <eschmidbauer> idea is that we want to shift the IP to other server if needed
2420 [17:11:36] <eschmidbauer> and easily
2421 [17:11:36] <gpunk> geezus
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2425 [17:12:34] <eschmidbauer> this concept used to be pretty popular back in debian 5 using heartbeat
2426 [17:12:42] <eschmidbauer> but it is probably obsolete these days
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2428 [17:13:05] <eschmidbauer> the 2nd IP would be on a diff subnet than eth0
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2433 [17:17:08] <blackflow> eschmidbauer: you don't do that on the server side, but on the router. on the servers, you just configure it as an additional IP
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2441 [17:20:15] <eschmidbauer> blackflow: you are saying like a 1-to-1 NAT setup?
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2443 [17:21:32] <blackflow> eschmidbauer: I don't see what NAT has to do with it. the "floating" IP is just a term for an IP address that can be applied to a different machine, by the hosting provider and/or upstream router(s)
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2445 [17:21:54] <eschmidbauer> ok
2446 [17:21:55] <blackflow> you configure it as an additional IP because you need a static IP on each server, individually, to access them.
2447 [17:22:04] <babilen> You have an external IP that is being routed to whatever "internal" IP is active
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2449 [17:22:16] <eschmidbauer> so if the IP is on a diff subnet than, let's say eth0. i can't add it as an alias, right?
2450 [17:22:35] <blackflow> that's another way to do it, usually via rfc 1918 IPs
2451 [17:22:45] <eschmidbauer> these are public facing IPs
2452 [17:22:46] <blackflow> but again, it's done at the upstream router(s)
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2464 [17:27:31] <dissidence> is it possible to run linux of usb partition 2
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2466 [17:28:22] <dissidence> debian
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2468 [17:28:33] <infinmed> yep
2469 [17:28:39] <dissidence> great
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2478 [17:32:40] <dissidence> is it a waste to ruin and destroy a win10 install for #debian or is dualboot adviced?
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2485 [17:33:50] <dissidence> because ive heard lots of stories of dualboot getting ruined
2486 [17:34:04] <SirTsukuyomi> dissidence, dual boot works well
2487 [17:34:18] <SirTsukuyomi> I never had problems with it
2488 [17:34:24] <mtn> dissidence: do you need windows? if yes, dual boot. if no, then just install debian
2489 [17:34:46] <dissidence> no, dont need win10
2490 [17:35:02] <mtn> dissidence: then, there you go
2491 [17:35:05] <dissidence> i cannot even figure it
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2493 [17:36:05] <dissidence> can you point me to alink to install debian on usb second partition and run it from usb?
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2516 [17:48:28] <NetTerminalGene> is there a way to remove firefox window title bar in gnome?
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2518 [17:48:47] <NetTerminalGene> (firefox 57)
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2520 [17:49:38] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: Which OS release are you running?
2521 [17:49:57] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, stretch
2522 [17:50:21] <petn-randall> NetTerminalGene: And you install firefox locally from upstream?
2523 [17:50:24] <user_> hello - how can i get full auto fill functionality in terminal on debian 4.9
2524 [17:50:25] <petn-randall> *installed
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2526 [17:50:38] <petn-randall> user_: What do you mean with autofill?
2527 [17:51:12] <user_> petn-randall when you press tab it fills the rest in automatically
2528 [17:51:20] <NetTerminalGene> petn-randall, i downloaded it from mozilla
2529 [17:51:26] <user_> like for killall all u must type is killa and tab
2530 [17:51:43] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: look at first hit: replaced-url
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2533 [17:52:22] <NetTerminalGene> mtn, can you send me direct link, please? i don't want to click on google
2534 [17:53:24] <user_> NetTerminalGene - replaced-url
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2538 [17:54:54] <petn-randall> user_: Which shell are you running? Can you give an example? There are many level of tab completion (commands, command parameters, etc.) that require different things to work.
2539 [17:55:20] <NetTerminalGene> user_, thanks. these are old solutions. those addons don't work anymore
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2541 [17:55:56] <mtn> NetTerminalGene: use whichever search engine you like to search on your question. quite simple
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2543 [17:56:19] <NetTerminalGene> mtn, i actually did that
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2604 [18:23:13] <r3> is there a way for me to list what packages I have installed, from the command line, using apt, since the OS was installed?
2605 [18:23:55] <r3> (and not dependencies of those packages)
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2607 [18:24:15] <petn-randall> r3: /var/log/apt/history.log logs this, but from all sources, and that file also might get logrotated.
2608 [18:24:30] <r3> petn-randall: I did look there and I think it got rotated
2609 [18:24:36] <fasdfd> what permissions and ownership should I set for files on an external HDD formatted with btrfs, zfs or ext4?
2610 [18:24:58] <fasdfd> (to be used on many machines)
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2612 [18:25:35] <fasdfd> because currently I can't move files to some folders which have ownership user #999
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2614 [18:26:23] <avoid> r3, not sure but maybe try dpkg-query -f '${binary:Package}\n' -W
2615 [18:27:09] <petn-randall> r3: "aptitude search '!~M ~i'" will list any manually installed packages, not automatic dependencies.
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2620 [18:28:16] <r3> hrm, petn-randall, that seems to list things like dpkg and cron and bash :\
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2627 [18:29:51] <petn-randall> r3: Did you type that exactly? It doesn't list dpkg/cron/bash for me. Could of course be that you marked them as manually installed.
2628 [18:30:05] <r3> avoid: and that results in a similar list, but longer :\
2629 [18:30:17] <r3> petn-randall, I did, copying it right from IRC
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2632 [18:31:11] <r3> petn-randall: I've not marked anything to be manually installed
2633 [18:32:13] <jelly> petn-randall: wow, how did you install to not have dpkg or bash marked manual
2634 [18:32:33] <r3> hrm, I can look in the history (logrotate only caught one rotation so far so I can uncompress the older one which I had missed earlier)
2635 [18:33:00] <jelly> r3: zless /some/log/file.gz
2636 [18:33:33] <jelly> don't have to uncompress anything (to disk)
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2638 [18:33:46] <r3> I just thought there might be a way programatically to find which packages I personally installed "by choice", if you know what I mean... like oh, I need 'screen' on this system, so I will just apt-get install it.
2639 [18:33:49] <r3> jelly: right, of course
2640 [18:34:04] <user_> r3 try sudo apt list
2641 [18:34:39] <jelly> r3: that is it, except basically everything installed initially as part of base installation gets marked as manual as well
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2644 [18:35:49] <r3> user_: I think that it should be 'sudo apt list --installed'
2645 [18:35:56] <user_> cant you apt list | grep and filter
2646 [18:36:28] <r3> without the '--installed' results in a list 50862 lines long. With, results in a better list of 367 lines
2647 [18:36:28] <user_> sorry was trying to copy to /bin and was already root when i checked the command - you are right sudo
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2653 [18:38:58] <r3> apt list and the above aptitude search I think provide the same/similar results. I am also seeing packages that are installed initially. I might be able to sort through the history, and pick out what I don't want - having too much information is better than having not enough :)
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2656 [18:39:21] <user_> fasdfd 777 will allow all to access and edit folders and files inside
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2663 [18:40:37] <user_> fasdfd: chmod 777 /bin/file for example
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2685 [18:46:46] <r3> ah ha, of course, the history has a "Requested-By" field that is perfect
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2694 [18:50:43] <jelly> fasdfd: if you can, make sure you always use the same numeric uid on all the machines. Otherwise you'll have to set rather insecure permissions as user_ suggested.
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2737 [19:09:51] <freebird> hi, how can I change gdm theme in gnome 3?
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2744 [19:12:21] <LtL> freebird: use tweak tool, also search for and install themes from deb repo's
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2746 [19:13:14] <tsukuyomi> tweak tool isn't for gdm themes, I think
2747 [19:13:18] <LtL> freebird: press 'super key' type tweak, you'll see the tweak tool
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2749 [19:14:31] <LtL> tsukuyomi: yeah it is, it's the first 'appearance' option upon launching gnome-tweak-tool.
2750 [19:14:48] <greycat> how does one launch something from gdm before logging in?
2751 [19:15:06] <tsukuyomi> LtL, that's for GTK+ themes, not for GDM themes
2752 [19:16:00] <LtL> ok, i mis-understood.. again. i assumed gnome 3 themes
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2755 [19:16:46] <tsukuyomi> LtL, I get confused a lot too :)
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2761 [19:19:17] <Lvl4Sword> I'm trying to figure out if I'm experiencing a hardware or software issue. My screen is flipping out and losing picture a lot. I've taken a screenshot and there's no issue that way. Moving the mouse seems to bring the screen back. How can I find out if this is software related?
2762 [19:19:21] <greenbagels> anyone have experience with using amdgpu drivers on stretch?
2763 [19:20:36] <annadane> !anyone
2764 [19:20:36] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
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2766 [19:22:15] <greenbagels> annadane: my bad
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2768 [19:23:09] <greenbagels> I'm having issues getting AMDGPU drivers to work properly with stretch; so far I've blacklisted the radeon module, added amdgpu to /etc/modules, and installed firmware-linux
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2772 [19:23:52] <greenbagels> but I think xorg might be having issues autodetecting my monitor's resolution now, since it's trying to display low res
2773 [19:24:17] <greenbagels> should i bother writing a manual xorg.conf or do you think there's an underlying issue? (I mean, it seems that the driver is loaded and working since I can actually see output)
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2794 [19:33:17] <zerocool> hi guys, with KDE when you right click the desktop a context menu comes up, selecting "Desktop Settings" > Mouse Actions > Right-Button | Standard Menu > Configure allows you to deselect things from this menu but will not allow you to add.
2795 [19:33:47] <zerocool> I would like to add a scrot command for screen shots, any ideas how to get something added to this context menu?
2796 [19:34:05] <zerocool> it's the latest kde provided by stretch
2797 [19:34:07] <mtn> zerocool: right click the main menu button, then edit the menu
2798 [19:35:33] <zerocool> mtn: which main menu button>?
2799 [19:35:51] <mtn> zerocool: see your panel? see the menu button? the main menu?
2800 [19:36:02] <mtn> zerocool: left side of the panel?
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2805 [19:37:31] <zerocool> mtn: by panel you mean the win equiv of the taskbar?
2806 [19:37:46] <freebird> hi, how can I change the theme of my GDM?
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2808 [19:38:09] <mtn> zerocool: I assume so, I have not used windows for 18 years
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2811 [19:39:00] <zerocool> mtn: on the lowest left of my screen there is a K icon, i select this and there are my "favorites" which i have pinned here. There is a settings manager called "Settings", there is no main menu button.
2812 [19:39:25] <mtn> zerocool: right click, not left click. should give you some choices
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2815 [19:40:07] <zerocool> edit applications, application launcher settings, alternatives
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2817 [19:40:31] <mtn> zerocool: see the word edit? click it
2818 [19:40:52] <mtn> zerocool: ok, good luck
2819 [19:40:55] <zerocool> lol
2820 [19:42:05] <zerocool> i have a feeling you're still using kde from 17 years ago
2821 [19:42:16] <zerocool> thanks though
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2833 [19:47:12] <annadane> zerocool, this is for debian stable, which often has old versions of packages
2834 [19:47:31] <annadane> ah, i see you specified you're on stretch
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2836 [19:47:57] <greenbagels> ugh this is annoying
2837 [19:48:12] <greenbagels> Xorg isn't even trying to load AMDGPU
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2839 [19:48:25] <somiaj> what card do you have greenbagels ?
2840 [19:48:36] <greenbagels> somiaj: r9 290
2841 [19:50:12] <somiaj> are you sure amdgpu supports that card. I'm not that familar with card names
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2844 [19:51:20] <somiaj> well the R9 is code name 'HAWII' which should be supported by both amdgpu and radeon
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2848 [19:52:50] <somiaj> maybe since it is supported by both, the radeon is the one that is first detected and used, youc ould write a small /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-amdgpu.conf snippet to force using the amdgpu
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2853 [19:53:41] <greenbagels> it's not using radeon nor amdgpu
2854 [19:53:42] <greenbagels> it'
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2856 [19:53:52] <greenbagels> it's trying to use radeon, but doesn't actually manage to load it
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2858 [19:54:10] <greenbagels> but yeah, i'll try
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2860 [19:54:28] <somiaj> greenbagels: do you have the non-free firmware installed, may of the radeon cards require that
2861 [19:54:42] <somiaj> ,v firmware-amd-graphics
2862 [19:54:43] <judd> Package: firmware-amd-graphics on amd64 -- jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch-backports/non-free: 20170823-1~bpo9+1; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
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2865 [19:55:42] <greenbagels> somiaj: yeah, i installed firmware-linux which pulled firmware-amd-graphics in
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2870 [19:57:05] <greenbagels> let me try something real quickly
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2887 [20:05:01] <somiaj> greenbagels: did you restart after installing the firmware?
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2892 [20:06:24] <greenbagels> Yeah
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2895 [20:10:31] <greenbagels> somiaj: I think I found the issue, the kernel config doesn't allow experimental support I think
2896 [20:10:40] <greenbagels> Let me recompile and check
2897 [20:11:11] <somiaj> greenbagels: you shouldn't need experiemtnal support.
2898 [20:11:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
2899 [20:11:39] <somiaj> according to this you have Sea Island, for the R9 290, which is 'support is optional in the kernel', if you roll your own kernel maybe it wasn't included
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2902 [20:13:14] <greenbagels> somiaj: er, I meant optional not experimental, I was thinking of the wrong family
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2912 [20:17:51] <nicholas_> hello I am trying to build a program (opentrack) from source and I am encountering a problem. I am getting an error "/bin/sh: 1: //bin/wineg++: not found". I have wine installed from my os's (Debian) repositories. Any ideas?
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2914 [20:18:38] <greycat> that looks like /${nullvariable}/bin/wine and g++ somehow all got mashed together
2915 [20:19:00] <somiaj> nicholas_: ls /usr/bin/wineg++ (that is probably where it is located, so the path doesn't seem to be filling correctly)
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2917 [20:19:33] <greycat> ,file wineg++
2918 [20:19:37] <judd> Search for wineg++ in stretch/amd64: wine64-tools: usr/lib/wine/wineg++; wine64-development-tools: usr/lib/wine-development/wineg++
2919 [20:19:43] <greycat> oh, that is an actual command...
2920 [20:20:13] <somiaj> I'm using the .deb packages from winehq.org, so maybe it is located somewhere different using the debian packages (it appears)
2921 [20:20:30] <somiaj> wonder if the packages setup a link or alternative for that.
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2923 [20:20:52] <greycat> if the script assumes wineg++ is in a directory path ending with /bin/ then you may have to edit the scripts by hand with Debian's usr/lib/wine/wineg++
2924 [20:21:08] <greycat> or, set up a symlink
2925 [20:21:10] <somiaj> nicholas_: also make sure you have wine32-tools or wine64-tools installed, what ever is appropriate.
2926 [20:22:15] <nicholas_> I installed wine64 tools. Still the same error
2927 [20:22:27] <nicholas_> I'll try edit the script
2928 [20:22:46] <somiaj> or just make a symlink, I thnk that would be easier
2929 [20:23:17] <nicholas_> New to linux, dunno what that is.
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2931 [20:23:51] <somiaj> in this case ln -fs /full/path/to/wineg++ /usr/local/bin
2932 [20:24:19] <somiaj> I would put it in /usr/local/bin, but just because I don't like to put things in /usr/bin
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2934 [20:24:37] <somiaj> I guess ln -s is enough, habbit for me to do -fs, but the force isn't needed
2935 [20:25:29] <greycat> "opentrack is an application dedicated to tracking user's head movements and relaying the information to games and flight simulation software." ... sounds complicated. good luck.
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2938 [20:26:16] <nicholas_> Thank youy
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2959 [20:38:56] <Lope> the libglib1.2 link on this URL is broken, where can I get it? replaced-url
2960 [20:39:20] <Lope> Trying to use replaced-url
2961 [20:39:34] <greycat> does the 99 in that URL mean 1999? :-o
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2963 [20:40:31] * greycat googles libglib1.2 debian and comes up with a result that says lenny
2964 [20:40:46] <greycat> !snapshot
2965 [20:40:46] <dpkg> replaced-url
2966 [20:40:54] <Lope> greycat: yes, the game was made in 1999 but then I think it was ported to linux in 2004
2967 [20:41:25] <Lope> Thanks greycat, I'll have a look
2968 [20:41:26] <somiaj> and libglib1.2 is a bit outdated, looks like it was last updated about 2004
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2971 [20:42:31] <Lope> somiaj: that makes sense, thanks. Yeah apparently they're trying to release the source code and sort out the licenses for UT99, when that happens then I'm sure the community will update it to run on new libs
2972 [20:43:00] <somiaj> ahh it appears archive.debian.net is having problems, which is where the old package they linked you to lived. You can also try to find it on snapshot, or awit for archive.debian.net to come back up
2973 [20:43:05] <Lope> 404 replaced-url
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2975 [20:43:27] <Lope> somiaj: ah, so it's a temp problem on archive.debian.net
2976 [20:43:31] <Lope> ?
2977 [20:43:42] <Lope> In thea mean time I'll try WINE
2978 [20:43:58] <somiaj> Lope: replaced-url
2979 [20:44:15] <Lope> Apparently it works in wine. replaced-url
2980 [20:44:19] <somiaj> the linke was to archive.debian.net, not archive.debian.org, you can try to find it in the archive, seems they got the version from lenny
2981 [20:45:28] <Lope> Thanks somiaj how can I find it in that URL?
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2983 [20:45:54] <somiaj> look around, y ou know what package you want, that contains all the packages for lenny
2984 [20:45:59] <somiaj> also make sure you pick the arch you want too
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2986 [20:46:21] <Lope> somiaj: I need the i386 package
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2988 [20:46:35] <Lope> I looked here but I don't know how to download the package I need directly? replaced-url
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2991 [20:47:15] <Lope> Please excuse my ignorance
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2996 [20:48:43] <somiaj> Lope: sorry gave you the wrong link
2997 [20:48:47] <somiaj> replaced-url
2998 [20:48:53] <somiaj> find the package there, under the right package name
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3001 [20:50:11] <Lope> somiaj: it's not in here replaced-url
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3004 [20:51:13] <Lope> there is libglib-perl
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3006 [20:51:29] <Lope> but not libglib1.2
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3008 [20:51:39] <mirc123> hi
3009 [20:52:18] <somiaj> Lope: replaced-url
3010 [20:52:21] <mirc123> i just tested sna vs glamor with gtkperf and sna was 2x faster...
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3014 [20:53:16] <Lope> somiaj: thanks, Sorry I'm totally unfamiliar with this archive layout, but I get the idea now!
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3061 [21:13:11] <nicholas_> I'm getting an error "winegcc: File does not exist: Folder" anyone know what causes this?
3062 [21:13:27] <nicholas_> Trying to build a program on Debian
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3074 [21:21:15] <dissidence> when installing #debian to usb partition 2 it fails to install LILO bootloader
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3077 [21:21:51] <dissidence> where to install LILO if usb partition 2 is the first linux ext disk
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3079 [21:23:26] <dissidence> otherwise i will overwrite windowz system and ruin it totally for #debian
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3081 [21:23:50] <dissidence> send win10 to dev/null
3082 [21:23:58] <Lvl4Sword> So this is strange, my weird graphical issue I was having earlier was because of HexChat logs.
3083 [21:24:40] <Lvl4Sword> There was something in there causing it. When running HexChat, it would cause the issue. So, I figured it was logs. Deleted the logs, no more issue at all.
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3086 [21:25:05] <greycat> that sounds coincidental to me
3087 [21:25:25] <Lvl4Sword> It *only* happened when HexChat was running. Wouldn't happen any other time.
3088 [21:26:12] <n4dir> dissidence: iirc you *usually* don't install the bootloader to the partitition, but to the disks master boot record. I can't put it clear. You would use /dev/sda ; not /dev/sda2 or such.
3089 [21:26:22] <Lvl4Sword> Felt like that was something that needed to be said, because I panicked and felt it was something far more serious. Tested RAM, HDD, and everything else, nothing.
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3091 [21:27:11] <Lvl4Sword> Also booted into the bios setup and let it sit there to see if it was the OS or hardware.
3092 [21:27:21] <dissidence> yes, /dev/sda is formatted NTFS by win10
3093 [21:27:28] <dissidence> uhm
3094 [21:27:34] <dissidence> sda1 that is
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3096 [21:28:03] <dissidence> LILO failed to install manually to /dev/sda
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3098 [21:28:21] <n4dir> failed means?
3099 [21:28:40] <n4dir> probably was all the info you got, just asking
3100 [21:28:53] <dissidence> failed means lilo gave a warning that it failed to install to /dev/sda no further details why
3101 [21:29:09] <dissidence> n4dir: yes
3102 [21:29:20] <n4dir> if it was me i would boot a live-CD, do a chroot and try it again
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3104 [21:29:23] <n4dir> !chroot
3105 [21:29:23] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
3106 [21:29:49] <n4dir> though there is that uefi crap or such, of which i got no clue at all.
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3108 [21:30:11] <deego> After every bad shutdown, why do I see orphaned nodes in /usr? Isn't that a partition touched rarely, for security updates?
3109 [21:30:19] <n4dir> wait for someone who does know, doesn't sound like a serious problem
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3114 [21:31:09] <dissidence> thnks n4dir
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3123 [21:34:31] <nicholas_> I'm getting an error when building a program from source on Debian. It's telling me "winegcc: File does not exist: Folder". What does it mean by this?
3124 [21:35:24] <annadane> nicholas_, is that the only message you get or is there more
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3132 [21:40:28] <soul-d> does winegcc itself exist ?
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3136 [21:41:53] <nicholas_> yes
3137 [21:42:05] <nicholas_> it's in my /usr/bin/ folder
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3140 [21:42:24] <soul-d> mmm it executed here out of wine dir but i did notice wine does not execute outside the wine env
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3142 [21:43:16] <nicholas_> it's the result of the make command when trying to build.
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3154 [21:50:35] <hans__> i made a folder called /jail, chmodded it to 0555 (everyone can read and execute, but nobody can write), for the explicit purpose of having a folder i can safely chroot-jail programs to (chroot --userspec=nobody /jail/ prog ) - but does debian already have a folder for that?
3155 [21:50:57] <greycat> no, it doesn't
3156 [21:51:09] <hans__> ok, thanks
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3170 [21:56:57] <shalok> What's the difference between ~/.local/share and ~/.config ?
3171 [21:57:29] <greycat> the spelling
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3174 [21:58:16] <shalok> replaced-url
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3179 [22:02:52] <Lope> I'm having trouble installing 3 old packages according to the Debian guide. The first 2 packages installed successfully, the 3rd failed replaced-url
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3182 [22:05:05] <brw> looks like you have some dependency issues.
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3184 [22:05:08] <Lope> What I don't understand, apt says libgtk1.2 depends on the other 2 packages that I've installed, and asks for versions, which I have newer versions of?
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3186 [22:05:54] <somiaj> Lope: installing old packages really isn't supported. Looks like these are packages from before multiarch, so they don't contain or comply with multiarch standards.
3187 [22:05:56] <Lope> If you look at the minor version numbers of the first 2 packages I installed, they're greater than the 3rd requires?
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3190 [22:06:24] <Lope> somiaj: what if I do a force install?
3191 [22:06:39] <Lope> somiaj: because the packages it's asking for, I have?
3192 [22:06:40] <somiaj> one should usually not try that, as it can give you a broken system.
3193 [22:06:43] <brw> is that version not available in the latest repository?
3194 [22:07:04] <Lope> somiaj: this libgtk1.2 stuff is so old, it will only be used by UT99
3195 [22:07:09] <somiaj> brw: Lope is trying to isntall libaries form lenny on stretch.
3196 [22:07:11] <Lope> If it doesn't work, no biggie
3197 [22:07:19] <brw> eek
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3199 [22:07:36] <somiaj> Lope: I think the issue is the fact that these are packages that are not multiarch enabled, so the system isn't able to correctly deal with them (my guess)
3200 [22:07:48] <Lope> So how would a force install work?
3201 [22:08:01] <Lope> surely it can't break my system because no new stuff uses it?
3202 [22:08:06] <somiaj> also note the depends is libglib1.2 and you installed the package libglib1.2ldbl
3203 [22:08:25] <somiaj> Lope: it can break your dpkg database which will then make it so apt cannot install/remove packages until it is fixed, so yes it can break your system
3204 [22:09:07] <somiaj> anyways, you might be able to get things to work, but installing packages from lenny in stretch is really not supported here.
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3207 [22:10:06] <Lope> somiaj: well spotted, I'll remove libglib1.2ldbl and try libglib1.2
3208 [22:10:38] <somiaj> hopefully it works, but I expect you'll have issues with multiarch, since these are not multiarch packages.
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3219 [22:14:26] <Lope> Okay this time it complained less
3220 [22:14:39] <Lope> Now it only complained: libgtk1.2:i386 depends on libgtk1.2-common (>= 1.2.10-18)
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3222 [22:14:54] <greycat> older lib packages just dump their libraries in /usr/lib/ which means they can't coexist under multiarch rules; if you need BOTH of them, you will have to move libs around by hand and run ldconfig
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3226 [22:15:14] <somiaj> Lope: dpkg -l libgtk1.2-common (what is the output of that)
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3228 [22:15:20] <greycat> if you only need one of the arches, then it may work just fine
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3230 [22:15:40] <Lope> ii libgtk1.2-common 1.2.10-18.1 all
3231 [22:15:45] <somiaj> I think the problem is it doesn't declar its arch, isn't multiarch, so though it is installed, it isn't installed as a :i386 package causing problems.
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3233 [22:15:49] <Lope> greycat: thanks. I only need i386
3234 [22:16:09] <Lope> oh I see
3235 [22:16:15] <somiaj> which I have tried to point out, you may have to do some messing around to get it to work on a multiarch system.
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3237 [22:16:35] <Lope> so when I install the common, is there a special way to install the common as i386
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3240 [22:17:18] <somiaj> Lope: well it is arch 'all', but if you look at one of your earlier warnings, dpkg: warning: parsing file '/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 61994 package 'libgtk1.2-common': missing architecture. I'm not sure what you need to do for this to be properly detected.
3241 [22:17:49] <Lope> It's asking for libgtk1.2.10-18 and I have libgtk1.2.10-18.1 Maybe I should try the vanilla 18 package
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3243 [22:18:46] <somiaj> its a >= and 1.2.10-18.1 should be >= 1.2.10-18
3244 [22:18:56] <allure> guys, why is port 53 still open with this rule for other IPs than the mentioned? replaced-url
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3246 [22:19:15] <Lope> somiaj: yes, however the 18 version is 2005 but the 18.1 is 2007. Maybe something changed
3247 [22:19:30] <Lope> somiaj: but you're right, it should work theoretically.
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3251 [22:20:30] <somiaj> dpkg --compare-versions 1.2.10-18.1 \>= 1.2.10-18 && echo true -- that reutrns true, so the issue is more likely doing with the arch stuff, but not sure on the details here.
3252 [22:20:30] <dpkg> somiaj: what are you talking about?
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3266 [22:24:27] <Lope> thanks guys
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3271 [22:25:54] <Lope> Does this warning mean that the common package failed to install any files? dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'libgtk1.2-common' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed
3272 [22:26:11] <allure> guys, port 53 still connects with this: replaced-url
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3274 [22:26:19] <allure> where did I go wrong?
3275 [22:26:22] <bmatt> petn-randall: you're still a cunt.
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3277 [22:27:13] <jelly> Lope, it usually means there are leftovers of an old, obsolete package that got all of its files replaced by one or more different packages over time
3278 [22:27:21] <greenbagels> somiaj: yeah, even after compiling, xorg refuses to use amdgpu
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3280 [22:27:54] <Lope> jelly: this is the issue I'm having replaced-url
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3282 [22:28:39] <somiaj> greenbagels: I would look at the kernel, and see if you can figure out if the radeon driver or amdgpu kernel modesetting driver is loading.
3283 [22:29:05] <greenbagels> somiaj: omg i think i enabled the wrong setting
3284 [22:29:10] <greenbagels> gonna recompile, again...
3285 [22:29:23] <jelly> Lope, I'd set up a separate chroot for such old software instead of trying to hammer it into a modern installation
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3287 [22:29:29] <greenbagels> (why does make deb-pkg seem to remake the entire kernel?)
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3313 [22:35:46] <Lope> jelly: that's actually a great idea
3314 [22:35:52] <Lope> Good night buddies!!!
3315 [22:35:56] <Lope> Thanks all
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3318 [22:36:28] <Lope> I've emailed the guy who made the UT99 port, and hopefully he can help :-) Then we can update the debian page with the new solution.
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3333 [22:40:27] <jsoft> What's a good small webserver, similar to openbsd's httpd / relayd.. prettty much for doing ssl duties and such ?
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3335 [22:40:55] <RoyK> jsoft: nginx?
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3337 [22:41:32] <jsoft> Yeah I was thinking that
3338 [22:41:34] <somiaj> yea nginx is fairly popular, there is also lighthttpd
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3340 [22:41:51] <jsoft> Hmmm ok, thanks
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3342 [22:42:01] <somiaj> you could also use python (or other scripting language), they all have a default webserver too
3343 [22:42:08] <jsoft> Oh, and um, the free ssl thing.. what do you guys use to request those ?
3344 [22:42:11] <jsoft> python? Huh?
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3346 [22:42:31] <somiaj> jsoft: yea, python has a simple http libary that can bring up a server, but you have to code it in python.
3347 [22:42:39] <somiaj> jsoft: you mean ssl cert + registar?
3348 [22:42:51] <RoyK> jsoft: replaced-url
3349 [22:42:52] <jsoft> Yeah the let's encrypt one
3350 [22:43:01] <somiaj> you can always self-sign a cert if you want encryption, but for idenity, there are a few out there one can use.
3351 [22:43:04] <RoyK> let's encrypt is certbot now
3352 [22:43:09] <jsoft> Oh ok
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3354 [22:43:15] <greycat> if you're going to roll out a new web server, nginx is a good choice
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3358 [22:43:45] <greycat> there are lots of packages that can get you a certificate from Let's Encrypt
3359 [22:43:55] <RoyK> there are still stuff apache does better than nginx, but then, nginx is far lighter, so if you don't need all that, use nginx
3360 [22:43:57] <greycat> at this point it's just a matter of choosing the one you hate least
3361 [22:44:05] <RoyK> hehe
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3365 [22:44:22] <jsoft> Oh are they a bit of a mess are they?
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3367 [22:44:45] <RoyK> jsoft: what is? isn't everything?
3368 [22:44:55] <greycat> The most popular one is written in python, which means you get all kinds of weird dependency issues if you try to install it on, say, a wheezy VPS box...
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3370 [22:45:10] <somiaj> apache is just fine. A lot depends on use case, apache just comes with far more capabilities than ngnix or other light alternatives. If you aren't using the additional features though, a light server works just fine.
3371 [22:45:18] <RoyK> greycat: which one would that be?
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3373 [22:45:28] <RoyK> greycat: nginx is written in C (IIRC)
3374 [22:45:31] <greycat> "certbot" I think it's called
3375 [22:45:43] <RoyK> well, that's just a way to create certificates
3376 [22:45:48] <RoyK> it's not a webserver
3377 [22:45:48] <somiaj> RoyK: I think you are talking about web servers while greycat is talking about certs.
3378 [22:46:25] <RoyK> and those dependencies are just a few extra files under a container if you do it correctly
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3380 [22:46:48] <greycat> yeah, 'cause you can make a "container" on your OpenVZ wheezy VPS box...
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3382 [22:47:14] <RoyK> or docker or a python chroot thing or…
3383 [22:47:32] <greycat> or you realize "Hey, I don't HAVE to use python!" and you install dehydrated instead.
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3386 [22:49:33] <RoyK> greycat: or sometimes you can just say that "wtf, it's just another programming language, what's the big deal?"
3387 [22:51:07] <greycat> now you're just trolling
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3391 [22:53:42] <RoyK> greycat: or perhaps you are? ;)
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3393 [22:54:22] <greycat> NO.
3394 [22:54:36] <greycat> I'm talking about ACTUAL fucking REAL LIFE.
3395 [22:54:46] <frazr> certbot is sort of a webserver, if you choose the webroot verification
3396 [22:55:00] <greycat> Where you install one package instead of 70 plus spinning up virtual fucking thing that you can't even DO on this platform.
3397 [22:55:02] <frazr> guess it comes down to what u define as a webserver :)
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3400 [22:55:44] <jsoft> I just want it to go 'yay' and get my ssl certs, update them, reload nginx
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3402 [22:55:54] <greycat> dehydrated can do that
3403 [22:56:02] <frazr> certbot-auto sort of just does exactly that
3404 [22:56:03] <frazr> :)
3405 [22:56:05] <greycat> and you won't have to set up a virtual env or anythying
3406 [22:56:16] <jsoft> Why would I have to do that anyway
3407 [22:56:16] <greycat> or if certbot works for you, great
3408 [22:56:21] <jsoft> Oh you mean a virtual http root ?
3409 [22:56:27] <greycat> No.
3410 [22:56:38] <jsoft> Well what virtual environment
3411 [22:56:40] <greycat> I mean all the fucking INFRASTRUCTURE required to run a python program on wheezy.
3412 [22:56:42] <jelly> certbot requires a zillion tiny python modules
3413 [22:56:56] <jelly> jsoft, "virtualenv" is a python thing.
3414 [22:57:03] <jsoft> Oh right.
3415 [22:57:07] <frazr> the discussion got blurry i think
3416 [22:58:10] <frazr> i hear you, i hate applications that require that amount of dependencies aswell
3417 [22:58:14] <jsoft> Been ages since i've used debian :)
3418 [22:58:47] <jsoft> And it's because it was a bastard to get the java abomanation app running on bsd
3419 [22:58:57] <jsoft> Man java is a pain in the ass some times.
3420 [22:59:04] <jsoft> Well, most times it seems for me.
3421 [22:59:08] <frazr> every single site at work, has a 200mb js dependency module dir
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3423 [22:59:26] <jsoft> That's quite light and nimble, isnt it
3424 [22:59:34] <frazr> Yes..very
3425 [22:59:42] <jsoft> wtf is that for?
3426 [22:59:48] <jsoft> 200mb of javascript?
3427 [23:00:01] <frazr> a few autoloading scripts and sliders and some nifty lite scrolling tech
3428 [23:00:11] <jsoft> And it's 200mb ?
3429 [23:00:36] <frazr> download a basic wordpress starter theme
3430 [23:00:44] <frazr> and run npm install
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3432 [23:00:49] <frazr> and be amazed by the tree
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3434 [23:01:04] <jsoft> Yay web stuff.
3435 [23:01:15] <jsoft> Glad I don't have to deal with that much at all anymore.
3436 [23:01:18] <frazr> But the indians are worse
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3438 [23:01:24] <frazr> no shit, 400mb landing page
3439 [23:01:31] <jsoft> lol whatever
3440 [23:01:31] <frazr> "can u optimize this a bit, its a bit slow"
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3443 [23:01:58] <somiaj> frazr: in many cases one should use the big libaries like jquery from google, this way they don't have to load for every website and are in the cache of the browser (since they are used on lots of sites)
3444 [23:02:23] <somiaj> frazr: and then only provide the custom stuff on top of that, but yea if one provides all the big libaries instead of using a standard repo, it gets big
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3446 [23:02:40] <jelly> somiaj, and then your internal apps suddenly use and require external resources
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3448 [23:02:43] <frazr> yea i think they use jquery and jquery plugins outside of npm
3449 [23:03:16] <frazr> think the main reason is because the devs want fast reloading with browsersync etc..
3450 [23:03:28] <frazr> and never get to the production-ready routine
3451 [23:03:29] <frazr> :)
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3454 [23:04:42] <frazr> don't know how much dependencies browsersync + gulp + lessc has
3455 [23:04:47] <frazr> but i can imagine that it's alot
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3478 [23:13:45] <megamanx9> i'm use debian 15 and i have low and unstable wifi
3479 [23:14:11] <megamanx9> description: Wireless interface product: Centrino Wireless-N 1030 [Rainbow Peak] vendor: Intel Corporation
3480 [23:14:13] <somiaj> there is no debian 15.
3481 [23:14:21] <megamanx9> i stop ipv6
3482 [23:14:32] <megamanx9> sec
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3484 [23:14:50] <jelly> megamanx9, what does "lsb_release -sc" say on your installation
3485 [23:15:26] <megamanx9> Linux version 4.4.0-2-deepin-amd64 (yangbo@replaced-ip ) (gcc version 5.3.1 20151219 (Debian 5.3.1-4) ) #1 SMP Deepin 4.4.6-4 (2016-07-01)
3486 [23:15:31] <jelly> !deepin
3487 [23:15:31] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
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3489 [23:16:12] <jelly> I'm just guessing, based on that kernel ABI string from uname.
3490 [23:16:22] <megamanx9> oh thanks
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3495 [23:19:41] <AlexPortable> how do i run virt-clone on debian?
3496 [23:19:56] <AlexPortable> virt-clone: command not found
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3499 [23:20:26] <Dagger> # apt-file search virt-clone -> virtinst: /usr/bin/virt-clone
3500 [23:20:32] <Dagger> do you have the virtinst package installed?
3501 [23:20:49] <jelly> !apt-file
3502 [23:20:49] <dpkg> apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file - or list files in a package - even if it is not installed: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" to see a list of packages containing filename (can also use a regular expression; see man apt-file). You can also search online, ask me about <pdo>. See also <judd-file>, <auto-apt>, <dlocate>.
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3504 [23:20:51] <AlexPortable> nope, thanks
3505 [23:21:03] <AlexPortable> thought i did..
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3520 [23:31:25] <brw> heh, I mentioned the whole passive voice thing and the latest security update is in active voice.
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3535 [23:36:27] <freebird> can someone tell me whats wrong with this command? echo "--output "~/Desktop/%(title)s.%(ext)s"" > ~/.config/youtube-dl.conf
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3542 [23:37:31] <wonderer> hi all
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3544 [23:38:00] <freebird> hi
3545 [23:38:13] <wonderer> whats the best option to go for when securing a debian apache server, that can be access via ssh
3546 [23:38:44] <wonderer> want to carry out best possible practice to mitigate attacks
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3548 [23:38:58] <brw> 1) Lock down the machine.
3549 [23:39:01] <brw> 2) lock down apache :)
3550 [23:39:08] <brw> also probably just allow for SSH Keys only for auth
3551 [23:39:13] <brw> possibly lock down with VPN
3552 [23:39:24] <wonderer> brw righto-mondo :)
3553 [23:39:30] <wonderer> thatstheidea
3554 [23:39:58] <wonderer> i actually started to lockdown
3555 [23:40:04] <wonderer> ssh rsa key access
3556 [23:40:13] <wonderer> but not restricted root access
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3558 [23:40:22] <AlexPortable> disable ssh root login
3559 [23:40:31] <wonderer> have sudoer users setup and workign with their own rsa keys
3560 [23:40:48] <wonderer> AlexPortable i will
3561 [23:41:31] <wonderer> i want to use iptables to lockdown ssh to network ranges, but cant get a working rule set atm
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3563 [23:43:30] <brw> ok, that's a start
3564 [23:43:50] <brw> is this thing behind a firewall or just sitting on the net
3565 [23:44:39] <wonderer> dmz & fw already restrict ssh access to only lan/wan trusted ip ranges
3566 [23:46:12] <wonderer> but i want extra layer of security to ensure noone drops in and snoops around using ssh unless IP on allow list
3567 [23:46:52] <wonderer> was thinking of using /etc/hosts.allow
3568 [23:47:03] <wonderer> and /etc/hosts.deny
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3570 [23:50:59] <brw> how well do you know the inner workings of apache?
3571 [23:51:50] <wonderer> well ive done a few baremetal installs and migration of websites to these boxes
3572 [23:51:56] <somiaj> wonderer: fail2ban is a nice tool as well, but seems you have things locked down enough it may not be needed.
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3574 [23:52:21] <somiaj> wonderer: and by 'snoops around using ssh' what exactly do you mean?
3575 [23:52:24] <wonderer> have tried to find all the relavent best practice guides in securing apache servers too
3576 [23:52:48] <brw> I use fail2ban. been blocking the crap out of a bunch of email cred attacks lately
3577 [23:52:52] <wonderer> but my knowledge is lacking in securing a webserver
3578 [23:53:02] <wonderer> i have looked at fail2ban
3579 [23:53:18] <wonderer> but for now not something i plan to add
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3582 [23:54:11] <somiaj> I've seen some setups use both fail2ban and denyhosts, but this is a case where the ssh port is basically open to the world, so fairly strick about deny access after two failed attempts.
3583 [23:54:31] <wonderer> i just want to use hardware and base os to lock down the deb.websrv
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3585 [23:55:24] <wonderer> the srv ssh access is tied down at edge firewall lvl
3586 [23:55:57] <Lvl4Sword> wonderer, You could easily block ssh access for everything but a handful of ips
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3588 [23:56:05] <wonderer> but i want to ensure its tied down at srv lvl too incase of lan/wan is compromissed
3589 [23:56:19] <Lvl4Sword> where are you hosting from?
3590 [23:56:28] <wonderer> Lvl4Sword yea that bsaically i will do
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3593 [23:57:21] <wonderer> but stuck between iptables or using /etc/hosts.allow & /etc/hosts.deny
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3595 [23:57:47] <Lvl4Sword> iptables should be the first thing you do.
3596 [23:57:47] <wonderer> our on co-lo that we manage
3597 [23:58:08] <wonderer> u reckon Lvl4Sword
3598 [23:58:18] <wonderer> our on co-lo that we manage
3599 [23:58:18] <wonderer> [20/12/2017 23:58] <wonderer> u recko
3600 [23:58:32] <wonderer> our own* co-lo that we manage
3601 [23:58:45] <wonderer> sorry for double c/p
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