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42 [00:24:44] <jhutchins> WEll, the system has stopped recognizing the USB device at boot. Strangely, it's also not recognizing the DVD anymore either.
43 [00:25:31] <jhutchins> So I guess I'm done unless I want to go buy a new drive.
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47 [00:29:07] <jhutchins> The system sees the drive once it's booted, when I plug it in, but the BIOS doesn't offer it as a boot device any more.
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67 [00:38:45] <cdchapm2> Hi all,
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69 [00:39:40] <cdchapm2> Hi all, I have downloaded a netboot image for my architecture and burned it onto a usb stick
70 [00:40:07] <cdchapm2> ive booted th the usb stick from the computer i wish to install on but it searches for CD rom media
71 [00:40:53] <cdchapm2> what do i do to install debian
72 [00:40:59] <cdchapm2> i have never remembered it being this difficult
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77 [00:41:46] <cdchapm2> cv
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79 [00:42:46] <dvs> cdchapm2, how did you "burn the image" to the usb stick?
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82 [00:43:23] <cdchapm2> dd if=iso of=block device
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85 [00:44:22] <dvs> cdchapm2, what did you use as a block device?
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117 [00:58:07] <some1> hello?
118 [00:58:43] <Unit193> Hi.
119 [00:59:06] <some1> I am having trouble installing cmus
120 [00:59:41] <awal1> some1 explain
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124 [01:00:26] <jhutchins> cdchapm2: Which image did you use? Did you check the md5sum?
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126 [01:00:33] <cdchapm2> yes
127 [01:00:35] <some1> $ cmus: error: neither USER or USERNAME environment variable set
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132 [01:01:14] <jhutchins> cdchapm2: please answer ALL of the questions.
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134 [01:01:45] <cdchapm2> those questions are abysmal
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136 [01:02:03] <jhutchins> cdchapm2: Must not want our help then. I have other stuff to do.
137 [01:02:24] <cdchapm2> i do not want your help
138 [01:02:48] <some1> I have searched for awnsers but I am at a loss.
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143 [01:04:09] <cdchapm2> it happened because my install medium maps to /dev/sdb which the installer doesn't look for
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147 [01:05:23] <cdchapm2> so if i mount netboot myself to /media/cdrom from within the installer it sees it and proceeds
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154 [01:06:22] <cdchapm2> this is certainly a more common problem than faulty tramsission of a 200mb file over ip and disk copy
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208 [01:31:45] <daemon> hey all is there anything that can be trimmed down in debian (minimal)
209 [01:31:56] <daemon> I am not usingit as a user system
210 [01:32:09] <daemon> its entire point in life is starting up and starting a docker service
211 [01:32:17] <daemon> I will be running quite alot of these in there own VMS (long story)
212 [01:32:25] <daemon> so is there anything I can do to 'trim down' the base debian
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219 [01:34:39] <Tom-_> daemon, yeah, Debian can be made very small indeed
220 [01:34:50] <Tom-_> daemon, try debfoster, deborphan, or dselect
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222 [01:35:03] <daemon> Tom-_, sweet thank you very much
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227 [01:38:02] <daemon> Tom-_, wow deborphan is fantastic really nice suggestion
228 [01:38:36] <jhutchins> dpkg debootstrap
229 [01:38:36] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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232 [01:39:01] <jhutchins> daemon: That installs an extremely minimal system - no kernel.
233 [01:39:19] <daemon> jhutchins, ah yeah a bit to minimal, each debian will be running in a VM so it kinda needs a kernel ;)
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235 [01:39:47] <daemon> jhutchins, I was pretty suprised debian9-minimal+sshd+docker was only:
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237 [01:39:53] <daemon> 2466 root 14 20 0 5167M 158M kqread 2 0:06 0.00% bhyve
238 [01:39:57] <daemon> 158M resident
239 [01:40:00] <daemon> pretty impressive really
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241 [01:40:41] <daemon> lookingat the running process list I doubt there is much I can actually 'strip out'
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243 [01:41:06] <daemon> as a note this is a 'ram strip' not a 'binary application strip'
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253 [01:46:09] <jhutchins> How do I tell if a filesystem is ext3 or ext4? It appears to be mounted as ext3, but when I tried to mount it on a different machine it detected as ext4.
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257 [01:47:30] <daemon> jhutchins, I am really really not a linux user so I am likely goingto be wrong with what I am about to say but 'blkid'
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259 [01:47:40] <daemon> will normally say the most accurately
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261 [01:47:46] <daemon> also the application 'parted'
262 [01:47:51] <daemon> seems to class ext3 as ext2
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264 [01:48:00] <daemon> as presumable ext3 is just ext2 with joundalling on the top
265 [01:48:07] <jhutchins> daemon: Yup, had just run that and missed it.
266 [01:48:25] <daemon> :)
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274 [01:50:25] <jhutchins> daemon: I'm not sure about parted, I think it reads the partition table as opposed to the actual filesystem, and they don't have to match.
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277 [01:50:47] <daemon> jhutchins, when I was messingabout earlier I just noticed when I told it TYPE ext3, it actually classed it as ext2 afterwards
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279 [01:51:00] <daemon> so I BET the filetype-id for ext2/3 is the same and ext4 has its own
280 [01:53:01] <Tom-_> jhutchins, file -s /dev/sda1 for example i guess
281 [01:53:05] <jhutchins> daemon: Hm, that should be right, but I don't have ext2 to test right now, other project in the works.
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283 [01:54:51] <jhutchins> ,v squirrelmail
284 [01:54:52] <judd> Package: squirrelmail on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2; wheezy-security: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb7u1; jessie: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 2:1.4.23~svn20120406-2+deb8u1
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287 [01:55:28] <jhutchins> Not on stretch. Bummer.
288 [01:56:28] <Unit193> Isn't roundcube more fun?
289 [01:57:44] <jhutchins> Users are accoustomed to squirrel.
290 [01:59:03] <Unit193> Hmm, alright. I liked the other as it had a UI that looked a little less like it was from 2002, I'd presume it actually functions fine nevertheless.
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296 [02:02:51] <daemon> how would I swap a system I configured to use a manual ip address to use DHCP instead
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307 [02:06:47] <jak2000> hi all
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309 [02:06:53] <jak2000> anyone here worked with svn?
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314 [02:08:05] <Tom-_> daemon, edit /etc/network/interfaces and read man interfaces
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316 [02:10:04] <cdchapm2> bye forever
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327 [02:12:34] <daemon> Tom-_, cool ta
328 [02:12:47] <daemon> I really hope 240.0.0.0/8
329 [02:12:53] <daemon> is still experimental and not used anywhere
330 [02:13:31] <Tom-_> multicast is used sometimes i'm pretty sure
331 [02:13:40] <daemon> multicast is 228 I think
332 [02:14:09] <daemon> 224 even
333 [02:15:18] <daemon> yeah here it is
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335 [02:15:25] <daemon> 240 is reserved for experimental future use
336 [02:15:33] <daemon> but it is just a a normal ip space
337 [02:15:51] <daemon> I want to make sure no matter what insanity they ip'd these dockers that it will not collide with my stuff
338 [02:15:58] <daemon> so did not want to use the normal private ranges ;)
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341 [02:16:30] <daemon> debian too kit from DHCP and freebsd seems happy about it, so should be all good
342 [02:17:36] <daemon> 224-239 Multicast address space
343 [02:17:40] <daemon> 240-255 Experimental
344 [02:17:56] <daemon> hmm I just hope nothing freaks otu about usingit
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423 [03:07:53] <tsukinome> hi, does anyone know how I can make conky start at start up? I'm on debian stretch, gnome. I've tried making a .sh script but when I go to Tweak tool -> start up applications, it doesn't show up there
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428 [03:09:38] <jhutchins> There ought to be a utility that scans apache config files and tells you what you need to update for apache 2.4.
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433 [03:11:00] <donofrio-g5> If I'm bulding a G5 powerpc what iso do I need to be successful (running ubuntu 16.04 now but need real debian)
434 [03:11:15] <jhutchins> lenny to stretch updgrade successful, still items to resolve
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442 [03:14:23] <donofrio-g5> replaced-url
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445 [03:16:46] <donofrio-g5> inxi output @ replaced-url
446 [03:17:30] <donofrio-g5> I do not want to run ubuntu I want debian buster or something recent need remmina-next
447 [03:17:48] <donofrio-g5> but I'll use whatever works ;)
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461 [03:30:16] <vic20_> γειά σας
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465 [03:31:51] <coruja> !gr
466 [03:31:51] <dpkg> Γιά βοήθεια στα Ελληνικά παρακαλώ δοκιμάστε στο #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). Gia voitheia sta ellinika dokimaste to #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org). For help in Greek please try #debian-gr on irc.oftc.net (irc.debian.org).
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468 [03:33:47] <vic20_> οκ
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474 [03:38:47] <tsukuyomi> solved by creating a .desktop script and placing it in ~/.config/autostart
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491 [03:48:05] <RoyK> !is
492 [03:48:05] <dpkg> well, is is the country code for iceland
493 [03:48:14] <RoyK> (just testing)
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506 [03:57:24] <rant> donofrio-g5: remmina doesnt seem to be in our current stable release, but its in the backports for that release which is the same version as buster.. so you could safely use stable and have the same version using backports
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513 [04:02:10] <rant> donofrio-g5: and we dont have anything called remmina-next whatever that is.. our remmina version is a 1.2.0 release candidate
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519 [04:06:17] <rant> donofrio-g5: I'm not familiar with ppc, but if that particular one is a 32bit chip, jessie (olstable) is the last release that supported that architecture though. however I believe the 64bit ppc is still supported
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521 [04:06:58] <rant> this factoid while it's not been updated in 7 years should still be mostly accurate in fiding further information
522 [04:07:01] <rant> !ppc
523 [04:07:01] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
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526 [04:08:08] <donofrio-g5> humm.....thinking its 64biit but how to check from bash?
527 [04:09:02] <rant> idk.. what does uname -r say on your ubuntu?
528 [04:09:12] <rant> also check "cat /proc/cpuinfo"
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532 [04:09:33] <donofrio-g5> 4.4.0-103-powerpc64-smp
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535 [04:10:13] <rant> yeah I dont think we call it powerpc64 in debian, but I would guess that is the same thing as our ppc64el or whatever arch
536 [04:10:23] <altker128> Hey guys, running into a weird issue. I have an lxc-container on Debian 9 and after adding my user to the sudo group, I am getting this error : "sudo: no tty present and no askpass program specified" . None of my other containers have that issue
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538 [04:10:53] <rant> donofrio-g5: do yourself a favor and head on over to irc.orft.net and join #debianppc and #debian there, if you need more help
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540 [04:11:04] <rant> erm irc.oftc.net
541 [04:11:10] <donofrio-g5> I'm there already :)
542 [04:11:45] <donofrio-g5> rant, don't see ya there?
543 [04:12:05] <lessthan500> I have a friend who might get a 50 dollar off coupon to buy a new laptop for 499.99 dollars. I am thinking of buying an Acer Aspire E 15 E5-575G-57D4 notebook. However, I have not found any Debian 9 info about that actual model. If I buy it, I will install Debian 9 on it but under no circumstances proprietary drivers. My main concern is the GeForce 940MX. How well is it supported out of the box by Debian 9? Does it require
544 [04:12:06] <lessthan500> proprietary drivers to work?
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547 [04:12:45] <rant> donofrio-g5: no Ive been here since like 2002 and when they switched the official debian irc redirect to OFTC I just stayed here where I'm comfortable.. I'm not interested in using OFTC
548 [04:13:16] <rant> donofrio-g5: we still have a great debian support community here in my opinion, but most of the specialized debian support channels are over there now
549 [04:13:42] <donofrio-g5> yah I'm in ports as well on oftc
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557 [04:16:55] <rant> lessthan500: acers are cheaply madeand without looking at the specifics, I'd say even at $450 its probably over priced for an acer.. I'd only recommend using their machines if you're trying to be cheap and not paying over $400 for one. I'm willing to bet its likely you'd have decent OOB support however I think you can probably find a better machine for your pricerange
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561 [04:19:30] <lessthan500> My question was not about money. It was about out of the box GeForce 940MX compatibility with Debian 9 *without* using proprietary drivers
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563 [04:19:47] <Johnjay> i don't see apt-get having an option to retry indefinitely
564 [04:20:04] <Johnjay> is there a way to get apt-get to retry if it fails to download a package? i'm on bad internet
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567 [04:21:07] <rant> lessthan500: google can tell you more about the support of a GeForce 940MX with noveau/nv than I could, or probably most people here
568 [04:22:05] <rant> I use the proprietary drivers with nvidia hardware personally.. they have always just worked (tm) for me
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571 [04:23:21] <rant> feel free to wait around for other input though, I'm going back to bed :P kmuto had a HCL but I doubt its still maintained and it worked on PCIIDS anyhow, not names
572 [04:23:24] <rant> !hcl
573 [04:23:24] <dpkg> [hcl] Hardware Compatibility Lists for Linux include replaced-url
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591 [04:37:25] <BoBeR182> hello
592 [04:37:37] <BoBeR182> I get this error when trying to update debain testing
593 [04:37:39] <BoBeR182> gnustep-base-runtime : Depends: gnustep-base-common (>= 1.25.0-2) but 1.24.9-3.1 is to be installed
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596 [04:37:58] <BoBeR182> how long will it take to have that package get out of incoming
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598 [04:38:04] <BoBeR182> i'm scared I'm missing security patches
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601 [04:39:14] <mass_> any one？
602 [04:39:20] <klys> hi
603 [04:39:26] <BoBeR182> mass_, don't ask to ask, just ask
604 [04:39:44] <mass_> i am first use this
605 [04:39:50] <mass_> are you chinese？
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607 [04:39:57] <BoBeR182> no
608 [04:40:00] <klys> american
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614 [04:41:32] <klys> mass_, do you need this? /msg dpkg zh
615 [04:42:07] <mass_> my english is poor -# /msg DPKG
616 [04:42:25] <klys> !zh
617 [04:42:25] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
618 [04:42:26] <mass_> 那个干什么的
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635 [04:47:23] <mass_> at china there is gfw & Monitor
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639 [04:48:21] <mass_> klys you in american do what
640 [04:48:57] <klys> I am not employed now, mass_.
641 [04:49:29] <mass_> I am not too
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644 [04:49:51] <mass_> before ，i am in a security company
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647 [04:50:15] <klys> mass_, my latest projects include disassembling this thing, replaced-url
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649 [04:50:33] <mass_> ok i go to see it
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656 [04:53:46] <hiexpo> hey when i create a desktop laucher run in terminal it always uses xterm and i want to use a different terminal how do i do so
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658 [04:53:53] <mass_> use this to do waht
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661 [04:54:21] <klys> mass_, #freedos for that
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663 [04:55:28] <mass_> create a "shortcut"?hiexpo
664 [04:55:30] <mass_> o
665 [04:55:47] <klys> hiexpo, you could make a script to use chvt
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668 [04:56:28] <mass_> it is cool haha
669 [04:57:14] <klys> hiexpo, oh I see, you want it to run with terminator/konsole/guake? try updating the /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
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672 [04:59:02] <mass_> can this take snapshot?
673 [04:59:18] <klys> mass_, apt-get install scrot
674 [04:59:29] <mass_> ok thank you
675 [04:59:32] <hiexpo> klys, how would i do that you can pm me if you would like thanks
676 [04:59:32] <hiexpo> klys, yes actually i prefer roxterm
677 [05:00:08] <klys> hiexpo, # ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-terminal-emulator
678 [05:00:34] <hiexpo> thanks klys
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681 [05:02:11] <BoBeR182> I get this error when trying to update debain testing
682 [05:02:13] <BoBeR182> gnustep-base-runtime : Depends: gnustep-base-common (>= 1.25.0-2) but 1.24.9-3.1 is to be installed
683 [05:02:15] <BoBeR182> how long will it take to have that package get out of incoming
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687 [05:03:30] <klys> ,v gnustep-base-common
688 [05:03:31] <judd> Package: gnustep-base-common on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.22.1-4+deb7u1; jessie: 1.24.7-1; stretch: 1.24.9-3.1; buster: 1.25.0-2; sid: 1.25.0-2
689 [05:04:01] <klys> bober182, add buster to sources.list*
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691 [05:04:43] <klys> bober12, and add the gnustep-base-common to your apt commandline
692 [05:04:50] <BoBeR182> I have it set to testing
693 [05:05:01] <BoBeR182> is that not sufficient
694 [05:05:02] <BoBeR182> deb replaced-url
695 [05:05:06] <BoBeR182> apt commandline?
696 [05:05:31] <klys> your apt-get install gnustep-base-common
697 [05:05:35] <hiexpo> klys, it responds /usr/bin/terminator
698 [05:05:48] <klys> hiexpo, is that what you want?
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700 [05:06:37] <hiexpo> klys, no I want roxterm
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703 [05:07:02] <klys> hiexpo, replace it with ln -sf
704 [05:07:13] <klys> or use # update-alternatives
705 [05:07:54] <hiexpo> okay klys thank you
706 [05:08:10] <klys> yw.
707 [05:08:33] <mass_> scrot -s，and where is my snapshot picture？ @klys
708 [05:08:55] <klys> mass_, in the current working directory
709 [05:09:10] <klys> the filename should begin with 2017*
710 [05:09:18] <mass_> !!!fuck
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712 [05:09:36] <mass_> i found
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720 [05:17:40] <mass_> 来个中国人阿
721 [05:18:07] <hiexpo> klys, you say use ln -sf instead ?
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723 [05:18:41] <klys> hiexpo, do you know how to use ln? $ man ln
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725 [05:19:30] <bsdnoob> It's kind if weird
726 [05:19:34] <bsdnoob> *of
727 [05:19:48] <bsdnoob> why doesn't apt get works behind a http proxy?
728 [05:19:56] <bsdnoob> I get bad gateway everytime
729 [05:20:17] <klys> is it an ntlm squid proxy?
730 [05:20:49] <bsdnoob> It's a squid proxy
731 [05:20:49] <Johnjay> where can I learn about gpu drivers and xorg?
732 [05:20:57] <klys> freedesktop
733 [05:20:57] <Johnjay> i need to diagnose problems with my raspberry pi and X crashing
734 [05:21:06] <Johnjay> the freedesktop wiki is a mess
735 [05:21:22] <klys> check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
736 [05:21:31] <Johnjay> ok
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740 [05:22:05] <bsdnoob> I am thinking of creating a simple tool that parses "--print-uris" output and manually downloads & installs packages
741 [05:22:26] <mass__> ME
742 [05:23:19] <hiexpo> klys, okay yes i am reading that now it will create a symbolic link and remove existing destinations
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744 [05:23:48] <klys> hiexpo, you can do that, I guess
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746 [05:24:54] <hiexpo> klys, but I just want to use a different terminal when i create a launcher from the desktop is all
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748 [05:25:26] <klys> hiexpo, does it have an associated mime type?
749 [05:25:44] <samuel> hello guys
750 [05:25:49] <klys> hi
751 [05:26:11] <samuel> I just did a clean install of Debian, and I am finding my fonts are missing wingdings etc...
752 [05:26:19] <samuel> anyone know what package that is please?
753 [05:26:23] <samuel> its not opensymbol
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756 [05:27:14] <coruja> only hit for 'apt search wingdings'
757 [05:28:06] <samuel> yep
758 [05:28:10] <samuel> thats why i tried it
759 [05:28:15] <klys> samuel, apt-cache search ding | grep font | less; any of those look likely?
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761 [05:28:42] <AndChat146900> What driver is for nvidia gt240? Normal nvidia or nvidia-340 or 304?
762 [05:28:56] <somiaj> isn't wingdings part of the mscore fonts, there is an installer in contrib for those.
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765 [05:29:19] <klys> texlive-fonts-extra ?
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767 [05:29:53] <klys> andchat146900, I suspect the older 304
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769 [05:30:16] <AndChat146900> I see, thanks
770 [05:30:16] <coruja> ,v ttf-mscorefonts-installer
771 [05:30:18] <judd> Package: ttf-mscorefonts-installer on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 3.4+nmu1; buster/contrib: 3.6; jessie/contrib: 3.6; sid/contrib: 3.6; stretch/contrib: 3.6
772 [05:30:27] <AndChat146900> Is there a list for what gen/driver to choose?
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775 [05:31:47] <somiaj> AndChat146900: apt show packagename will give you more details, if you run it on the package it will say what generation it supports. I would start with the newest and work your way back until you find your card's faimly
776 [05:32:01] <AndChat146900> Thanks
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778 [05:32:10] <samuel> ok so webdings is in mscorefonts
779 [05:32:25] <klys> sounds likely
780 [05:32:31] <samuel> is there a "reload" or do I need to log out and back in??
781 [05:32:57] <somiaj> samuel: reload for what?
782 [05:33:01] <klys> mkfontdir is usually run or an equivalent
783 [05:33:04] <samuel> for the fonts
784 [05:33:15] <somiaj> shouldn't need one, installing the package should update the list
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786 [05:33:47] <samuel> hmmmm.... the fonts app shows webdings
787 [05:33:53] <samuel> but a blank page when I click it
788 [05:34:11] <somiaj> and the mscorefonts script will download them from microsoft (which signs the license) and integrates them into your system.
789 [05:34:17] <somiaj> hmm, unsure on the app
790 [05:34:31] <klys> is this a gnome fonts app?
791 [05:34:40] <samuel> yes
792 [05:34:49] <samuel> I think its only the quick brown fox
793 [05:34:52] <samuel> :)
794 [05:36:40] <klys> steps to identifying an app you may be running in a gui include, top, ps waux, check the titlebar of the window, help -> about, when you find the binary, dpkg -S /usr/bin/binaryname
795 [05:36:55] <hiexpo> okay klys here is what i am trying to do i want to create a desktop launcher for nmap --help and remain open after it runs that command and use roxterm instead of the x-term i changed the term in update-alternatives and it did nothing
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797 [05:37:33] <klys> hiexpo, what desktop are you running?
798 [05:37:42] <hiexpo> klys, mate
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800 [05:38:48] <klys> hiexpo, have you read this yet, replaced-url
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802 [05:39:29] <hiexpo> klys, reading it now thanks
803 [05:44:23] <samuel> ok, so I have installed quite a few fonts and I still get little boxes with 01F4A4, etc...
804 [05:44:29] <samuel> something else is missing
805 [05:44:53] <samuel> what might that be? is there something that updates a "cache" or something else?
806 [05:45:10] <samuel> worth noting: I installed with nothing but base system, did not use tasksel
807 [05:45:22] <samuel> installed gnome-core and some others as well
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811 [05:50:08] <klys> samuel, do you get any of your truetype fonts in Xorg? a known hack for that is the xfstt package not.
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813 [05:51:23] <klys> if* not
814 [05:51:51] <samuel> yes, they all work
815 [05:52:01] <samuel> except for the wingdings and things like that
816 [05:52:05] <samuel> they show up as squares
817 [05:52:47] <klys> are you setting LC_ALL to en_US.utf8 ? do you have locales-all?
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822 [05:54:09] <samuel> en_GB.UTF-8
823 [05:54:17] <klys> ok
824 [05:54:19] <samuel> LC_ALL not set
825 [05:54:27] <samuel> should I?
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827 [05:55:01] <klys> try it, if you have a package at $ dpkg -l locales-all
828 [05:55:47] <klys> and it would be en_GB.utf8 because the files are there in /usr/share/locales
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830 [05:56:34] <klys> sry, in /usr/lib/locale
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843 [06:03:26] <klys> if all that is not helping, then try opening your font with a font editor and make sure the glyphs are in a dir file in /usr/share/fonts/X11/*/fonts.dir
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860 [06:17:57] <samuel> inside the /usr/share/fonts/X11/ directory there are only 3 subdirs
861 [06:18:02] <samuel> encodings misc and util
862 [06:18:09] <samuel> could this be the problem?
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867 [06:20:51] <klys> samuel, that could be it, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log for the locations of loaded fonts.
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873 [06:25:42] <madcowbcs> any raspbian users?
874 [06:25:55] <jak2000> any svn users?
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878 [06:27:28] <madcowbcs> tnx
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880 [06:28:56] <somiaj> !raspbian
881 [06:28:57] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
882 [06:29:28] <Johnjay> i'm a raspbian user
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884 [06:29:45] <Johnjay> i think. maybe i have debian armhf on there now
885 [06:30:07] <Johnjay> uname doesn't tell you that sort of thing...
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888 [06:31:39] <madcowbcs> what's your fave version johnjay?
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901 [06:46:10] <Johnjay> i dunno, i just download whatever is the latest
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982 [08:27:45] <pingfloyd> Johnjay: tried running lsb_release -a
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985 [08:28:24] <Johnjay> wow that worked
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987 [08:28:47] <Johnjay> Description: Raspbian GNU/Linux testing (buster)
988 [08:29:00] <Li> is there a dpkg channel? or can I ask here?
989 [08:29:01] <Johnjay> i thought lsb was just a thing nobody cared about
990 [08:30:07] <Johnjay> what does it mean by " LSB conformance will not be reported unless the required metapackages are installed."
991 [08:30:10] <Li> I'm not sure how to use (dpkg -i *.deb) in an organized way to install packages downloaded by (apt install -d ApplicationName) in proper order. Can anyone help?
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995 [08:33:07] <somiaj> Johnjay: lsb was a way to standaridzed linux distros such that a binary could make that worked on multiple distros, but not much uses it.
996 [08:33:28] <somiaj> linux standard base or somethig like that, a standard point one could compile static linked libs on top of and distrubite.
997 [08:33:41] <somiaj> also this is not the channel if you have any support questions for raspbian
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1042 [09:29:53] <nou> Hello, after last upgrade on my Debian 8 to kernel 3.16.51-3 it my network doesn't work anymore.
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1055 [09:45:47] <Arahael> What's btrfs like these days?
1056 [09:46:02] <Arahael> I'm considering using it on my (non-production) VM as /
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1058 [09:52:23] <babilen> nou: Does it with the old kernel?
1059 [09:53:01] <babilen> Arahael: I'd rather use ZFS, but then I haven't followed the btrfs development process in detail
1060 [09:56:14] <Arahael> babilen: What's the ZFS story like on linux these days? I understand it's still problematic?
1061 [09:56:24] <Arahael> (I've gone with btrfs, for this, btw)
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1063 [09:59:41] <babilen> Problematic in what sense?
1064 [09:59:51] <Arahael> Wasn't hte license incompatible?
1065 [10:00:07] <Arahael> I mean, isn't it only useable via FUSE or something?
1066 [10:00:37] <babilen> There have been major developments in that area - There were some long discussions about this on debian-devel and corresponding blog entries
1067 [10:01:03] <babilen> replaced-url
1068 [10:01:18] <babilen> replaced-url
1069 [10:01:36] <babilen> judd: i zfs-dkms
1070 [10:01:38] <judd> Package zfs-dkms (contrib/kernel, optional) in stretch/amd64: OpenZFS filesystem kernel modules for Linux. Version: 0.6.5.9-5; Size: 1054.4k; Installed: 7961k; Homepage: replaced-url
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1075 [10:06:04] <Arahael> babilen: Thanks, I'll give those a read!
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1079 [10:08:24] <Arahael> Ah, nice, so fully properly in the kernel (in the practical sense, though developed outside of it)
1080 [10:08:33] <Arahael> And not as a fuse module.
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1082 [10:11:15] <babilen> aye
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1089 [10:13:43] <Arahael> I met someone today who showed he had his laptop setup to dualboot between linux and windows, it reminded me that I'd not looked at linux on the desktop for a very long time, hence setting up a VM for it. :)
1090 [10:14:00] <Arahael> I've only touched linux on the server side for the past... Decade, nearly.
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1110 [10:24:48] <diamvw> Is there any up to date manual for Debian? I have only found administrator book (a pdf).
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1117 [10:27:22] <Arahael> diamvw: I'm fairly sure there's a html manual on the debian website somewhere.
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1122 [10:29:19] <diamvw> Arahael: that's my problem. The html is missing a lot of information and every now and then i have to look in arch wiki.
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1124 [10:30:25] <Arahael> diamvw: Which information?
1125 [10:30:48] <Arahael> diamvw: The documentation in linux distros, in general, tend to be far more scattered than you may be used to in other OS's.
1126 [10:31:20] <diamvw> Arahael: about SE linux and Apparmor profiles + ip tables
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1131 [10:32:25] <diamvw> Arahael: Nevermind. I will search again in Arch wiki and Opensuse
1132 [10:32:29] <diamvw> Thank you
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1145 [10:39:17] <diamvw> Is there on debian any mechanism to take kernel dumps?
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1148 [10:40:44] <Arahael> That will be the same as any other system, however I'm not famliar with that aspect.
1149 [10:41:35] <diamvw> Arahael: OK. I will search it.
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1152 [10:41:52] <overtube> hi
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1178 [10:50:59] <nou> babilen: No it was working fine until this morning when I installed 3.16.51
1179 [10:51:08] <nou> installing older version now
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1192 [11:04:26] <babilen> nou: I was primarily asking about a change in behaviour if you revert/boot into the older kernel version (i.e. the one before the upgrade)
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1208 [11:16:33] <bodom> Hi there! I have just upgraded form Debian 8 to Debian 9 and now i can no longer start MySQL server. I can start it with "sudo -u mysql mysqld" but it goes on error with "/etc/init.d mysql srart". May someone please help?
1209 [11:17:45] <Arahael> bodom: What's teh error? (Not volunteering, but it's not easy to assist without that...)
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1213 [11:18:04] <babilen> Might want to use "systemctl start mysql.service"
1214 [11:18:28] <babilen> Also "srart" → "start"
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1216 [11:19:25] <bodom> Arahael: "mariadb.service: Failed with result 'exit-code'."
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1218 [11:19:46] <bodom> babilen: that seems to give same result
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1220 [11:20:43] <Arahael> bodom: Is that the *only output*?
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1222 [11:22:05] <babilen> What does "systemctl status mysql.service" give you?
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1225 [11:23:18] <babilen> Also "journalctl -b -u mysql.service"
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1227 [11:23:22] <mpo> Hello. I want to control the wifi from within KDE Plasma, get to see the available wireless networks, choose and join one. Which program do I need to have installed to control the wireless stuff from the taskbar?
1228 [11:23:24] <babilen> (→ replaced-url
1229 [11:23:32] <bodom> Arahael: Well, no. the real output is "See "systemctl status mariadb.service" and "journalctl -xe" for details.". When i go to "journalctl -xe", that's what i could find relevant. Also "systemctl status mariadb.service" seems to be quite useless: replaced-url
1230 [11:23:46] <babilen> mpo: My guess would be some plasma thingie for networkmanager
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1233 [11:24:10] <babilen> dpkg: pastebin.com
1234 [11:24:10] <dpkg> pastebin.com mangles input, takes forever to load, often makes us enter a CAPTCHA to see your paste and fills the screen with ads. Please use a different site, like replaced-url
1235 [11:24:32] <bodom> babilen: # journalctl -b -u mysql.service "-- No entries --"
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1237 [11:25:08] <HJZU> hi. when i start debian without my ethernet cable attached, in the bootup it says "waiting for lock on eth0 ..." and hangs there for about a minute. how can I disable networking to automatically be activated at booting so that this presumably does not happen?
1238 [11:25:42] <bodom> babilen: sorry, never had any issue with pastebin.com, repasted it: replaced-url
1239 [11:26:01] <babilen> bodom: It's okay, it's just a horrible pastebin in general
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1241 [11:26:21] <Arahael> For me it's almost always covering the left half of the paste with an advert, for some reason.
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1243 [11:26:59] <kopper> HJZU: If you want to disable whole networking: systemctl disable networking.service might do it
1244 [11:27:10] <babilen> bodom: It looks as if you can't write to /var/lib/mysql either due to permissions or apparmor problems. I'd also ensure that no MariaDB/MySQL service is running (stop the service and grep for running processes). Check permissions and so on ...
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1246 [11:28:07] <bodom> babilen: wait, mysql home is /home/mysql here, not /var/lib/mysql
1247 [11:28:34] <babilen> bodom: Well, that's definitely a bit "novel"
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1250 [11:29:23] <babilen> Ah, yeah .. it's trying to write to /home/mysql/intra.lower-test -- No idea what you've changed about the setup. Do you have apparmor installed?
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1252 [11:29:32] <babilen> (might be missing the entries for /home)
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1257 [11:31:09] <babilen> Could also disable apparmor with aa-disable -- Something like aa-disable /etc/apparmor.d/usr.bin.WHATEVER
1258 [11:31:18] <bodom> babilen: well, it worked for years. I had apparmor configured accordingly, now it says: replaced-url
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1260 [11:32:07] <babilen> You "had" apparmor configured accordingly?
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1262 [11:32:38] <babilen> What (other) settings have you changed and how?
1263 [11:32:52] <lord_rob> duh oftc unusable :/
1264 [11:33:02] <babilen> I mean if you knew that this is an apparmor problem, why didn't you say so earlier?
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1266 [11:33:14] <babilen> lord_rob: How so?
1267 [11:33:17] <bodom> babilen: i recall modifying apparmor config accordingly when i changed the mysql data dir, _many_ years ago.
1268 [11:33:44] <bodom> babilen: please excuse me if i do not remember it like it was yesterday
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1270 [11:33:55] <babilen> Well .. I guess you have an apparmor profile in place that's preventing the process from accessing/performing certain locations/actions
1271 [11:34:10] <lord_rob> babilen: I'm completely spammed by bots inviting me to #lord_robisanigger or doing CTCP TIME requests to me
1272 [11:34:21] <babilen> It's okay, but this seems to be a rather atypical setup that is hard to reason about
1273 [11:34:28] <HJZU> kopper: I am on wheezy, there seems to be no systemctl command
1274 [11:34:36] <babilen> lord_rob: Mind sharing details in a private /msg ?
1275 [11:34:53] <lord_rob> sure
1276 [11:35:17] <bodom> babilen: anyway, it looks like apparmor is now gone. I have the config structure, but no apparmor process running and no apparmor package installed. Maybe the upgrade uninstalled it
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1278 [11:36:50] <bodom> so i suppose apparmor is not the problem
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1283 [11:37:58] <bodom> How does the evil systemd works? Is there a way to see what it is trying to do?
1284 [11:38:17] <babilen> bodom: You might want to disable it explicitly with aa-disable
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1286 [11:38:47] <bodom> babilen: i have no aa* executable in my $PATH
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1288 [11:39:00] <methiew> How i install telegram-desktop on debian? i've to download the tarball from the official site?
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1290 [11:39:34] <Tom-_> bodom, i guess you could strace it
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1297 [11:44:50] <bodom> I think I have found the issue: systemd is acting as apparmor itself... i really hate that software :\
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1299 [11:45:17] <kopper> HJZU: That's because you don't have systemd then
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1301 [11:46:06] <kopper> Try to find sysvinit equal for disabling service autostart
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1312 [11:52:25] <bodom> I am now stuck on this: "Warning: mysql.service changed on disk. Run 'systemctl daemon-reload' to reload units" And then when i run "systemctl daemon-reload", nothing happens
1313 [11:52:29] <soul-d> why just why make an app called font viewer without showing in the info where the ... the .ttf is located
1314 [11:52:54] <soul-d> or whatever the format is
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1322 [11:54:23] <reber> hey all
1323 [11:54:32] <reber> i have this bug : replaced-url
1324 [11:54:32] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1325 [11:54:47] <reber> workaround doesn't fix, any help please ?
1326 [11:55:07] <reber> the apt.conf thing
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1342 [12:05:29] <Vizva> reber whats about to deinstall apt
1343 [12:05:59] <Vizva> and reinstall
1344 [12:06:18] <reber> ? desinstall apt ? mmm...
1345 [12:06:34] <Vizva> remove it and install it again
1346 [12:07:20] <Vizva> replaced-url
1347 [12:07:23] <Vizva> for example
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1349 [12:07:32] <Vizva> something like this
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1352 [12:08:45] <Vizva> but the .deb i would search in debian repository
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1354 [12:09:10] <RoyK> why on earth would you want to remove apt?
1355 [12:09:32] <Vizva> because you reinstall it
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1357 [12:09:52] <Vizva> and with apt itself you know it maybe broken for this user
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1367 [12:11:42] <reber> Vizva, I did dpkg -i this package : replaced-url
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1370 [12:12:07] <reber> should i apt-get remove --purge apt-get before ?
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1372 [12:13:31] <Vizva> no
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1374 [12:13:58] <zxd> is ldconfig necessary if I install libs in /usr/lib ?
1375 [12:14:03] <zxd> to run it
1376 [12:14:09] <Vizva> apt-get remove --purge apt *AND NOT THIS
1377 [12:14:10] <nishikino-maki> hello i wanna use grub2 to booting debian 9.3.0 livecd but normal DVDiso have /install.amd/vmlinuz and /install.amd/initrd.gz if on Livecd iso where's these two file?
1378 [12:14:16] <zxd> making a Makefile
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1380 [12:14:21] <reber> RoyK, because my system has this issue : replaced-url
1381 [12:15:08] <reber> Vizva, ? what should I do ?
1382 [12:15:33] <Vizva> reber we must think about how to do it
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1385 [12:15:43] <reber> apt-get remove --purge apt <-- this ?
1386 [12:15:47] <reber> and then dpkg -i ?
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1389 [12:15:57] <Vizva> dont do do this
1390 [12:16:03] <nou> babilen: well yes it worked when I boot old kernel 3.2 from Debian 7
1391 [12:16:12] <reber> ok
1392 [12:16:12] <Vizva> i did write , correct it removes to many packages
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1394 [12:16:39] <reber> yes i was not confident to do this ;)
1395 [12:16:42] <nou> then I reverted to 3.16.43 and it is working again
1396 [12:17:10] <RoyK> reber: oh - running testing or unstable, are we?
1397 [12:17:13] <reber> then ideas of what I could do ? As the fix in the debian bug tracking system seems not to work
1398 [12:17:20] <reber> RoyK, testing.
1399 [12:17:39] <reber> it's broken that's the game heh :)
1400 [12:17:45] <reber> i'm not worry about that ;)
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1403 [12:18:26] <RoyK> reber: then try #debian-next at irc.oftc.net - this channel is for stable
1404 [12:18:32] <reber> gosh ...
1405 [12:18:52] * RoyK didn't write the rules
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1407 [12:19:09] <Vizva> reber i found a way
1408 [12:19:32] <Vizva> can u use synaptic?
1409 [12:19:42] <reber> Vizva, yes course
1410 [12:19:50] <Vizva> then search for apt
1411 [12:19:55] <reber> good
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1413 [12:20:05] <Vizva> and mark it for install again
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1415 [12:20:44] <Vizva> then install again and look it work or not
1416 [12:20:56] <reber> Vizva, I can't reinstall with synaptic. I can only remove it :/
1417 [12:21:21] <Vizva> why i can do it?
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1419 [12:21:36] <reber> it's grey, I can't
1420 [12:21:41] <Vizva> nr 3 in the list mark it for reinstall
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1422 [12:22:06] <reber> i can't mark it for reinstall, i can only delete it
1423 [12:22:41] <Vizva> maybe because it using apt for this action
1424 [12:22:51] <reber> yes maybe
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1426 [12:23:41] <reber> I can try apt from stable
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1432 [12:24:24] <reber> or from sid
1433 [12:25:08] <Vizva> so you dont run stretch?
1434 [12:26:12] <Vizva> then you have to work with ways like that, maybe
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1441 [12:28:08] <mangekyou> hi, how can I upgrade packages like firefox on stretch? I'm running a pretty outdated version but apt doesn't seem to find a new one
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1446 [12:28:47] <nkuttler> mangekyou: stable is just that, stable
1447 [12:28:56] <nkuttler> !tell mangekyou about mdn
1448 [12:28:59] <nkuttler> !tell mangekyou about backports
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1467 [12:31:40] <mangekyou> thx nkuttler
1468 [12:31:56] <Vizva> <mangekyou
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1471 [12:32:31] <Vizva> if you trust mozilla you could use the latest firefox - blue for example
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1473 [12:32:51] <Vizva> nightly
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1475 [12:32:57] <nkuttler> yeah, i just download the latest from mozilla.org, and install it for my user
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1480 [12:33:17] <mangekyou> okay
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1484 [12:33:25] <mangekyou> nkuttler, are there backports for firefox too?
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1486 [12:33:33] <nkuttler> ,v firefox
1487 [12:33:34] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 57.0.1-1; experimental: 58.0~b4-1
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1506 [12:37:44] <mangekyou> ok thx nkuttler and Vizva. How does the latest firefox version from mozilla work? Is it ok?
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1509 [12:38:42] <babilen> replaced-url
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1547 [13:00:05] <mangekyou> replaced-url
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1568 [13:10:28] <Vizva> mangekyou i will try now
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1572 [13:14:24] <Vizva> replaced-url
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1574 [13:14:29] <Vizva> for example
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1576 [13:14:47] <Vizva> i did download it here and later run the firefox-bin after extract it
1577 [13:15:05] <Vizva> but it did delete all my history for the old firefox too
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1580 [13:15:29] <Vizva> so its like testing and for caution
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1582 [13:15:57] <Vizva> i did try nightly
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1608 [13:28:04] <martin-_-_> hi
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1618 [13:34:17] <NetTerminalGene> i installed the backported kernel. now apt says idon2t need the stable kernel anymore
1619 [13:34:38] <NetTerminalGene> if i remove the backported kernel it would fix it?
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1629 [13:40:05] <shellclear> hello guys, someone knows why I can't able run fstrim(for instance fstrim -v / begin root a logical volume ) in a xfs filesystem on top LVM?
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1643 [13:46:30] <Tarrasquero> NetTerminalGene: man grub-set-default
1644 [13:46:30] <shellclear> need I enable some lvm.conf file option?
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1652 [13:50:31] <mandrakata75> hi
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1657 [13:54:03] <mandrakata75> I've installed debian netinst into external hd usb, and grub in the same, but debian not start
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1685 [14:05:48] <Emil> So umm
1686 [14:05:59] <L3gacy> yas?
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1688 [14:06:32] <Emil> Where are LC_* settings pulled from?
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1690 [14:06:45] <Emil> I have an issue where öä are rendered as ??
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1694 [14:07:25] <L3gacy> that I am not sure. I would like to help, but I am quite new to Debian
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1699 [14:07:52] <shellclear> this article help me to solve the fstrim issue -> replaced-url
1700 [14:08:06] <bodom> Emil: i think they are handled in the locales package, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" maybe?
1701 [14:08:19] <Emil> bodom: yeah I've run that many times
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1703 [14:08:51] <Emil> First I get perl warnings about locales not being there (same as locale-gen)
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1707 [14:09:08] <Emil> then I get the interactive selection, select the locale I want and it generates it happily
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1711 [14:09:33] <bodom> Emil: did you try to logout/login after that?
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1713 [14:09:46] <Emil> yeah
1714 [14:09:48] <Emil> restar
1715 [14:09:49] <Emil> t
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1718 [14:10:39] <bodom> Emil: sorry, no more ideas
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1724 [14:13:00] <xochilpili> hi all
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1727 [14:13:32] <Emil> bodom: damn
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1747 [14:21:17] <mangekyou> solved by placing the .desktop file in ~/.local/user/applications
1748 [14:21:24] <mangekyou> !buster
1749 [14:21:24] <dpkg> The release following Debian 9 "Stretch" is codenamed "Buster" (Andy's pet Dachshund in Toy Story) and will be Debian 10. replaced-url
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1769 [14:28:02] <ArsenArsen> anyone knows what could cause: [Errno 2] iptables v1.6.0: can't initialize iptables table `filter': Table does not exist (do you need to insmod?) when invoking ufw
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1874 [15:20:13] <zuhr> i have a question w.r.t. mounting/unmounting on debian. I used to use thunar on xfce for this, but want to be able to do it in the terminal. however when I "sudo umount /media/sdx" i can still hear the hdd running, even though it has technically been unmounted afaik. do i still need to take another step before I unplug it? because unplugging it seems to interrupt it
1875 [15:20:44] <kirk781> external HDD, you mean?
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1881 [15:24:13] <jelly> zuhr: echo 1 >> /sys/block/sdx/device/delete -- is supposed to spin it down and tell it to disconnect from the bus; the "eject" command can do this
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1888 [15:27:08] <zuhr> kirk781: yes, external HDD
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1890 [15:27:30] <zuhr> jelly: that gives me "No such file or directory" (yes, i replaced x with b/b1)
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1893 [15:28:27] <kirk781> Well, after unmounting[even if the HDD keeps spinning], there shouldn't be any chance of data corruption since the OS isn't interacting with it in any way.
1894 [15:28:42] <zuhr> jelly: ah, well.. with sudo it finds the device but gives me "Permission denied"
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1898 [15:29:01] <kirk781> Permission denied with sudo?
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1900 [15:29:17] <zuhr> yes
1901 [15:29:41] <zuhr> as root it works, but the device keeps spinning
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1904 [15:30:28] <tsukuyomi> Hi :D
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1909 [15:32:34] <jelly> zuhr: as for sudo, realize that the shell sets up redirection before calling your command
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1912 [15:32:59] <jelly> so sudo echo foo > blah will open "blah" as normal user
1913 [15:33:48] <jelly> zuhr: simple workaround: abuse the tee command. echo 1 | sudo tee -a /sys/block/sdb/device/delete
1914 [15:33:48] <kirk781> Opening the whole shell as root should solve it
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1919 [15:34:57] <jelly> zuhr: if it does not spin down, perhaps the device is dumb, or the controller driver is not telling it to shut down
1920 [15:35:20] <jelly> zuhr: this usually works on sata or usb2, usb3 connected devices
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1922 [15:35:39] <zuhr> jelly: ok, thanks for the help
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1925 [15:36:49] <jelly> but some DEs have badly written services that poll for any device hotplug all the time, and they detect something changed and spin it up again
1926 [15:37:24] <jelly> you do it on the whole disk device; not partition
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1958 [15:56:01] <zuhr> is there a way to configure a system not to make any connection out of my lan, i.e. into the internet? e.g. via /etc/hosts, to block everything that is not 192.168.0.*?
1959 [15:57:01] <nkuttler> zuhr: firewall
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1961 [15:57:03] <kopper> iptables / nftables?
1962 [15:57:35] <nkuttler> i would pick a dedicated device
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1964 [15:58:32] <zuhr> nkuttler: i am planning to do that on a dedicated device (pi with raspbian :)) so that I can access it via ssh for transfering files to read, to have a quiet and always accessible "reading station", but not more than that. i don't want to go online with the pi, that would only distract me
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1966 [15:59:01] <nkuttler> i meant a dedicated firewall
1967 [15:59:26] <zuhr> ah ok, nvm
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1969 [15:59:49] <zuhr> thanks, yeah I will look into iptables or so, I guess (there is another firewall i once used but I forgot its name... something with four letters I think)
1970 [16:00:03] <kopper> UFW?
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1972 [16:00:22] <zuhr> ufw, right.. :)
1973 [16:00:38] <kopper> It's a front-end for iptables
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2077 [16:58:03] <reber> Vizva, It worked thanks :)
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2096 [17:03:55] <archer121_> Hi, I am having issues with the screen. When I ope more than two windows, the screen starts going crazy. I've done some research, and looks like updating to a newer kernel will do the job. How do I do this? Can I download the .deb files from somewhere and use dpkg to install a more later version of the kernel/
2097 [17:03:57] <archer121_> ?
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2103 [17:07:24] <BCMM> archer121_: are you on Stable?
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2106 [17:08:21] <archer121_> BCMM: stretch, yes
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2108 [17:08:36] <BCMM> archer121_: have you used backports before?
2109 [17:08:59] <archer121_> I'm coming from another distro, let me look that up
2110 [17:09:02] <BCMM> archer121_: also do you know which kernel version you need?
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2112 [17:09:30] <BCMM> archer121_: i assume your on kernel 4.9 currently - you can get 4.13 from stretch-backports
2113 [17:09:31] <archer121_> I was thinking I'll go for the latest available. 4.14?
2114 [17:09:42] <archer121_> kaaay
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2116 [17:10:33] <archer121_> ha, ha, backports is what I was looking for! thanks!
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2120 [17:10:56] <BCMM> archer121_: 4.13 will be easier and cleaner as it's in backports; 4.14 is the kernel i'm using right now on unstable!
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2122 [17:11:30] <archer121_> I guess I'll see if 4.13 fixed the screen
2123 [17:11:30] <BCMM> archer121_: replaced-url
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2127 [17:12:18] <BCMM> archer121_: so set up sources.list as that link explains, then apt-get -t stretch-backports install linux-image-amd64
2128 [17:12:27] <BCMM> (assuming you're using amd64)
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2144 [17:22:22] <archer121_> BCMM: Thanks, the new kernel is install. I'll reboot into it. Hope it's fixed.
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2164 [17:29:48] <clemens3> I am looking into apt-cache showdpk and Reverse Depends, but it seems, there are a hell of a lot of circular dependencies, like elinks reverse depends on elinks-data and vice versa, or mc-data and mc etc.
2165 [17:30:33] <clemens3> that is a pitty, as then you can't build a dependency tree and try to declutter the installed packages
2166 [17:31:12] <clemens3> maybe i have to look at depends and hope it is better
2167 [17:31:19] <clemens3> but i doubt
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2169 [17:31:40] <petn-randall> clemens3: Well, elinks depends on elinks-data, but elinks-data just recommends elinks.
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2171 [17:31:57] <clemens3> well, i was looking at reverse depends
2172 [17:31:57] <petn-randall> clemens3: So if you just look at the hard dependencies, you should be able to get it going pretty well.
2173 [17:32:10] <clemens3> petn-randall: ok
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2175 [17:32:21] <clemens3> so reverse depends was just joke
2176 [17:32:40] <clemens3> anyway, thanks
2177 [17:32:40] <petn-randall> Well, reverse depends are just dependencies, but backwards.
2178 [17:32:55] <petn-randall> clemens3: I'm not sure I'd call it a joke.
2179 [17:33:30] <clemens3> if one depends on the other in non circular way, shouldnt the reverse dependencies be similar non circular?
2180 [17:33:51] <petn-randall> clemens3: apt-cache showpkg just doesn't distinguish between hard dependencies, recommends, suggest, breaks, etc.
2181 [17:34:28] <petn-randall> clemens3: You should then only be looking at the hard dependencies, nothing else.
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2183 [17:35:28] <clemens3> from man page: "Thus, forward dependencies must be satisfied for a package, but reverse dependencies need not be." Seems i jumped to conclusions, ok, thanks, back to the drawing board..
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2185 [17:38:24] <petn-randall> clemens3: Yepp. What are you working on, btw?
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2273 [18:38:23] <dff> anyone here knowledgeable with ident2?
2274 [18:39:41] <dff> i installed with apt-get as sudo, edited etc/systemd/system/ident2.service, as per replaced-url
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2277 [18:40:26] <dff> the debian readme files says to edit config files in the users hone dir called .ident2 but it isnt there
2278 [18:40:34] <dff> home*
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2280 [18:41:49] <doublehp> how is it possible that the same package number provides two different bin versions, on similar machines ? replaced-url
2281 [18:42:38] <doublehp> my bad
2282 [18:42:50] <doublehp> ssh is the same version, it's SSL that is not the same
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2293 [18:51:49] <jelly> doublehp: and both have (differently) outdated libssl1.0.2
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2307 [19:01:46] <clemens3> petn-randall: worked now, reduced number of packages almost by 50% down to 555 with finding out first which packages nobody depended on and the looped through with autoremove etc.
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2312 [19:03:50] <petn-randall> clemens3: I see. But what is your _goal_?
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2316 [19:04:13] <clemens3> declutter my debian installation without unneeded packages
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2320 [19:05:18] <petn-randall> clemens3: You could do a minimal installation, then turn off automatically installing recommended packages. But you'll have to manually install a lot of packages by hand, then.
2321 [19:05:49] <petn-randall> clemens3: Personally, I wouldn't care about that, since you'll only save a few megs of disk space, at the cost of something not working like you expect it.
2322 [19:07:17] <clemens3> petn-randall: i also don't care about the disk space, but i want to know what packages I have installed and what they do.. so less packages better chance to know what is under the hood.. well yess, if it breaks, ...
2323 [19:07:41] <clemens3> we will see, minimal install is an option for next time..
2324 [19:08:07] <petn-randall> clemens3: I see, so then it's more of a "I want to explore what each package does". Sounds like a fun project to do every now and then. :)
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2330 [19:09:51] <clemens3> petn-randall: yeah, kinda, still 500 are too much to go through quickly, but at least 500 i don-t have to go through
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2353 [19:26:23] <clemens3> joo
2354 [19:27:12] <doublehp> When I put this in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, and restart ssh, I can not login anymore into the server: replaced-url
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2367 [19:34:15] <mistermonday> Is there a way to get a global menu in KDE 5.8. I am running debian stable, and do not plan to change from this release for now, so can't update to a release with 5.9+
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2376 [19:38:49] <RoyK> doublehp: the last one may match an address only, not a subnet, although technically it should match the subnet
2377 [19:39:01] <petn-randall> doublehp: What is your goal? And your setup? And what happens if you try to log in (e.g. how does it fail)?
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2380 [19:39:10] <NetTerminalGene> mistermonday, i use kde. what is the global menu?
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2382 [19:39:24] <doublehp> petn-randall: understand why such a small mistake made me loose access to my server
2383 [19:39:51] <doublehp> petn-randall: the fix required physical access to server to fix the conf ...
2384 [19:40:02] <doublehp> petn-randall: connexion closed
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2386 [19:40:47] <petn-randall> doublehp: I don't think a sshd restart affects existing connections, so unless you didn't test it before logging out, it shouldn't have been a problem.
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2394 [19:41:41] <OS-30925> hello
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2396 [19:41:50] <petn-randall> Hi OS-30925, Kali or Parrot?
2397 [19:41:58] <OS-30925> Kali
2398 [19:42:01] <petn-randall> !kali
2399 [19:42:01] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2400 [19:42:09] <petn-randall> OS-30925: Try their channel, see above. ^^^
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2402 [19:42:21] <OS-30925> Thanks
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2404 [19:42:53] <doublehp> petn-randall: restart closes current connexion (two old debian bugs), and then I can't relog in, untill I fix it with local access
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2410 [19:45:16] <petn-randall> doublehp: On stretch?
2411 [19:45:34] <valex> hi all someone can help me there to install node on my debian chroot ?
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2413 [19:46:11] <doublehp> petn-randall: yes
2414 [19:46:37] <petn-randall> doublehp: I can't reproduce it, does that have with sysvinit only or something?
2415 [19:46:45] <petn-randall> s/have/happen/
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2419 [19:48:18] <doublehp> petn-randall: the problem I am coming for is not the server closing connexion on restart, but, the server refusing new connexion with ::1
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2424 [19:49:58] <petn-randall> doublehp: Have you verified the ipv6 address you're logging in from? What is that address?
2425 [19:50:35] <valex> I had do apt'get install nodejs and it install 4.8.4
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2428 [19:50:52] <petn-randall> doublehp: Actually, just read the section of 'man sshd_config'. It explains why it fails.
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2430 [19:51:12] <valex> but when I try to run etherpad it say that I need to install node
2431 [19:51:17] <petn-randall> doublehp: "The patterns in an Address criteria may additionally contain addresses to match in CIDR address/masklen format, such as 192.0.2.0/24 or 2001:db8::/32. Note that the mask length provided must be consistent with the address - it is an error to specify a mask length that is too long for the address or one with bits set in this host portion of the address. For example, 192.0.2.0/33 and 192.0.
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2434 [19:51:23] <petn-randall> 2.0/8, respectively."
2435 [19:52:17] <valex> node --version say command not found
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2437 [19:52:29] <valex> Im sorry for stupid question, hope someone can help me thanks in advance
2438 [19:53:09] <petn-randall> valex: Check out nodejs-legacy, you probably need that.
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2442 [19:53:48] <petn-randall> doublehp: I'd expect sshd to also emit an error message when you restart it.
2443 [19:53:49] <valex> petn-randall thanks so much ...you say try apt-get again?
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2446 [19:54:10] <doublehp> petn-randall: no, no error
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2450 [19:54:47] <petn-randall> doublehp: Btw, you can verify config with 'sshd -t'.
2451 [19:55:31] <valex> petn-randall: apt get install nodejs-legacy?
2452 [19:55:32] <doublehp> petn-randall: sshd -t does not talk about this issue
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2454 [19:55:39] <petn-randall> ... in this case it doesn't even emit a warning, indeed. :(
2455 [19:55:43] <petn-randall> valex: yes
2456 [19:56:03] <valex> thanks so much again and sorry for question <3
2457 [19:56:03] <petn-randall> valex: 'apt-get', not 'apt get'.
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2459 [19:56:11] <valex> sure <3
2460 [19:56:22] <petn-randall> <3
2461 [19:58:13] <doublehp> petn-randall: should I report a bug ?
2462 [19:58:27] <fredl> hey folks, how do I make grub re-probe for other OS'es?
2463 [19:58:45] <petn-randall> doublehp: Indeed, I'd check the BTS, and if it doesn't exist, report this bug.
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2465 [19:58:53] <petn-randall> fredl: 'update-grub' as root.
2466 [19:59:02] <fredl> tnx petn-randall
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2468 [19:59:49] <fredl> hmm that finds 2 different windoze installs on sdb1 and sdc1 but not on my recently installed sda1 SSD
2469 [20:00:16] <fredl> could it be it sees too many windoze install perhaps?
2470 [20:00:40] <fredl> or should sda1 be toggled to bootable?
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2472 [20:00:59] <fredl> I have this:
2473 [20:01:07] <fredl> /dev/sda1 2048 307202047 307200000 146.5G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
2474 [20:01:09] <valex> petn-randall sorry again, when I retry to run etherpad-lite it say that I need npm :/
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2478 [20:02:12] <fredl> hmm looks like toggling the bootable flag also doesn't make it see my /dev/sda1 as bootable
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2482 [20:03:39] <fredl> and when I mount /dev/sda1 on /mnt and run os-prober it also doesn't see it
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2485 [20:04:13] <petn-randall> valex: npm is not packaged in Debian due to quality concerns. You'll need to install it by hand.
2486 [20:04:37] <petn-randall> fredl: Is one of it an UEFI installation and the other isn't?
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2489 [20:05:10] <codebam> did they forget to bump the version number, or am I on cryptsetup 1.7.5? replaced-url
2490 [20:05:27] <codebam> because I literally just installed 2.0
2491 [20:05:32] <valex> I'll try thanks again for all :)
2492 [20:05:57] <codebam> where can I see packages waiting to be approved?
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2495 [20:06:23] <petn-randall> !debian-next
2496 [20:06:23] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2497 [20:06:26] <petn-randall> codebam: ^^^
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2500 [20:06:42] <petn-randall> codebam: Ask again there, I'm guessing it's because you didn't upgrade cryptsetup-bin, too.
2501 [20:07:05] <codebam> petn-randall: ah okay
2502 [20:07:15] <fredl> Possibly petn-randall, how can I check that?
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2504 [20:07:27] <reber> hey all
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2506 [20:07:37] <codebam> ah you're right
2507 [20:07:45] <reber> how to have all kernel installed in the grub menu ?
2508 [20:07:51] <reber> *kernels
2509 [20:07:57] <fredl> petn-randall, I even tried to manually add a custom entry in /etc/grub.d/40_custom but that also doesn't seem to work
2510 [20:07:58] <codebam> anyways, where can I see packages waiting to be approved?
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2512 [20:08:39] <fredl> petn-randall, I can boot from the Windows partition through going into BIOS and changing the bootdevice at this point
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2514 [20:08:53] <fredl> but seems there's no other way.
2515 [20:09:10] <petn-randall> codebam: replaced-url
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2517 [20:09:20] <codebam> petn-randall: thanks
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2519 [20:09:48] <petn-randall> fredl: You might need to install grub to all drives, then.
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2521 [20:10:13] <petn-randall> I don't know for sure, but I can imagine that it ignores OSes on drives that it doesn't touch.
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2523 [20:10:33] <fredl> hmm so using grub-install /dev/sda you mean?
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2526 [20:11:31] <petn-randall> yes
2527 [20:11:33] <fredl> that didn't help either.
2528 [20:11:44] <fredl> didnt' report errors
2529 [20:11:55] <reber> heh grub discussion :)
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2531 [20:12:10] <fredl> yeah I bet those never happen, ever :)
2532 [20:12:11] <reber> do you know guys how to have all kernels in /boot listed in grub automatically?
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2535 [20:12:38] <fredl> well update-grub does that right?
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2538 [20:13:34] <fredl> Actually I will not be very surprised if I just fubar'ed my bootable windows disk with that grub-install :/
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2547 [20:18:02] <fredl> So I recently installed Windoze 10 'fresh' on sda1.... how big are the chances it's UEFI? Near 100% ?
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2549 [20:18:42] <Mathisen> ... just check your bios what mode you bootinh
2550 [20:18:52] <Mathisen> only you know if it is uefi or not
2551 [20:19:29] <fredl> And my Linux install... is pretty damn old and upgrade over years, never even checked if it was UEFI or BIOS and since there's no /sys/firmware/uefi I assume BIOS
2552 [20:19:38] <fredl> Okay maybe I misunderstand it then
2553 [20:19:49] <Mathisen> if you booting in UEFI it is uefi
2554 [20:19:58] <Mathisen> if you booting legacy/CSM it is not
2555 [20:20:07] <fredl> When I change the bootdevice in BIOS, does it somehow know to boot UEFI or BIOS?
2556 [20:20:19] <fredl> I mean, does it detect that or something?
2557 [20:20:34] <Mathisen> ... no
2558 [20:21:02] <fredl> So when I switch to UEFI in BIOS, can I still boot my BIOS based Linux install without fixing anything?
2559 [20:21:10] <Mathisen> no
2560 [20:21:17] <fredl> ah gotcha
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2565 [20:22:49] <petn-randall> fredl: If it's Windows 10 and a current machine, I'm 99% sure that's a UEFI install. And if you Debian is an old upgrade, then it's quite likely a BIOS install. Unfortunately there's no way for grub to boot that Windows (or even access the EFI system partition) if grub is booted in legacy mode.
2566 [20:23:42] <petn-randall> fredl: Simplest way is to backup your data from Linux, turn off *all* legacy boot options in your EFI setup, then reinstall your Debian and restore your data again. That way grub is booted in EFI mode and can also add a boot entry for Windows.
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2568 [20:23:59] <Mathisen> well that is overkill just boot live cd and fix ESP
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2570 [20:24:06] <Mathisen> no need to re-install
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2573 [20:24:16] <Mathisen> create a vfat partition and fix it
2574 [20:24:24] <Mathisen> then re-install grub from live cd
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2576 [20:24:50] <Mathisen> chroot in to your current install ofc
2577 [20:25:15] <fredl> Well I just checked in my BIOS, it's pretty old, I don't see any UEFI options in there
2578 [20:25:22] <fredl> Maybe I'm missing it.
2579 [20:25:35] <Mathisen> nope it should say, if old hardware it just legacy
2580 [20:25:41] <Mathisen> so your win10 is also legacy
2581 [20:26:14] <fredl> Hmm, but grub does not detect the install, even when I add it to the 40_custom file
2582 [20:26:28] <Mathisen> grub-mkconfig ?
2583 [20:26:36] <Mathisen> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub.cfg
2584 [20:26:41] <Mathisen> ops wrong path
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2586 [20:26:56] <clemens3> petn-randall: update, i cleaned emacs, iceweasel, libreoffice as well, unintended. Reinstalling emacs and iceweasel brings it up to 617 packages again.. still ok, 400 less than before. Packages nothing else depends on is at 122 now.
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2588 [20:27:03] <fredl> I haven't tried that yet
2589 [20:27:08] <fredl> let me see
2590 [20:27:08] <Mathisen> grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2591 [20:27:18] <Mathisen> that should be correct path
2592 [20:27:50] <fredl> well I'll check, first lemme reboot
2593 [20:27:58] <fredl> if it still does that :P
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2595 [20:28:26] <fredl> it's AMI BIOS v02.51
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2602 [20:29:40] <fredl> grub-mkconfig also does not add it
2603 [20:29:46] <Mathisen> it should
2604 [20:29:54] <petn-randall> clemens3: Did you turn off installing of recommended packages?
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2606 [20:30:06] <Mathisen> it should see your 40_custom and add it
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2608 [20:30:11] <fredl> replaced-url
2609 [20:30:19] <fredl> lemme see if change is still there
2610 [20:30:48] <fredl> yup
2611 [20:30:50] <fredl> replaced-url
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2613 [20:31:19] <fredl> where, obviously, 44E0B56EE0B56738 is UUID of /dev/sda1, the new Windoze partition
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2615 [20:32:18] <Mathisen> im confused now.. the first paste does say it finds win
2616 [20:32:21] <_0xis> I can't seem to change the default pins on my gpg smart cards. It keeps saying "Error changing the PIN: Conditions of use not satisfied"
2617 [20:32:28] <fredl> hmm maybe I should check I guess if (hd0,1) is correct?
2618 [20:32:30] <_0xis> Debian 9
2619 [20:32:39] <Mathisen> "Found Windows 10 on /dev/sdb1"
2620 [20:32:42] <_0xis> Found this: replaced-url
2621 [20:32:43] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2623 [20:32:58] <_0xis> so what do I do about it?
2624 [20:33:10] <fredl> Mathisen, it finds windows on 2 partitions yeah, sdb1 and sdc1
2625 [20:33:19] <fredl> not sda1 though
2626 [20:33:33] <fredl> which is the SSD I added recently
2627 [20:33:44] <Mathisen> mind showing pastebin of " lsblk " and " blkid "
2628 [20:33:50] <_0xis> I'm not sure what he means by importing a private key in the token.
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2630 [20:34:30] <fredl> sure no prob replaced-url
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2632 [20:35:19] <fredl> I am frankly a little bit confused why blkid doesn't show sda first, I'm used to them being listed in order
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2635 [20:35:50] <fredl> but I'm guessing that's alright.
2636 [20:36:08] <fredl> Other than that I don't really see anything surprising
2637 [20:37:15] <RoyK> doublehp: personally, I use iptables/ufw for such filters, and not ssh itself
2638 [20:37:38] <Mathisen> fredl, hmm did you try just to install os-prober and update grub ?
2639 [20:37:46] <fredl> yeah
2640 [20:38:19] <fredl> even grub-install /dev/sda but I'm worried that fubar'ed my windows boot
2641 [20:38:29] <fredl> haven't tested that yet though
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2643 [20:38:45] <Mathisen> and your path is " /etc/grub.d/40_custom " to your custom ?
2644 [20:38:45] <fredl> fun thing is I can mount /dev/sda1 from linux without problems
2645 [20:38:50] <doublehp> RoyK reported bug replaced-url
2646 [20:38:57] <fredl> yeah
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2648 [20:39:24] <fredl> Is there a verbose option that would tell me why it's skipping the /dev/sda1 ?
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2651 [20:40:13] <fredl> ah update-grub is just alias to grub-mkconfig I see
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2653 [20:40:28] <Mathisen> fredl, try this replaced-url
2654 [20:40:34] <Mathisen> i modified it a bit
2655 [20:40:40] <Mathisen> as custom
2656 [20:41:11] <Mathisen> and run mkconfig again ofc
2657 [20:41:15] <fredl> in the 40_custom you mean?
2658 [20:41:17] <Mathisen> yep
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2662 [20:42:28] <fredl> same thing
2663 [20:42:39] <Mathisen> sorry im out of ideas :(
2664 [20:42:51] <Mathisen> i dont see why it dont work for you to be honest it should
2665 [20:43:08] <clemens3> petn-randall: not yet.. don't have the command handy, i once did it on another machine, but you are right, have to do it..
2666 [20:43:18] <fredl> Interesting, some cool black voodoo you pull out of your hat there :)
2667 [20:43:25] <fredl> Pity it doesn't work
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2669 [20:43:49] <fredl> Thanks a lot for trying tho
2670 [20:43:55] <fredl> I'll go check on #grub
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2673 [20:44:09] <petn-randall> clemens3: Either use --no-install-recommends on the command line, or set that option permanently in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
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2676 [20:45:35] <clemens3> petn-randall: ok, thanks, highly needed:) will use from now on
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2679 [20:47:13] <petn-randall> clemens3: replaced-url
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2688 [20:51:12] <test> hello
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2694 [20:53:57] <clemens3> petn-randall: oki, configured. Thanks alot again!
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2726 [21:16:21] <VlanX> Hello! My Debian VM got it's iSCSI drive disconnected and I would like to perform fcsk or something, but it's using LVM
2727 [21:16:27] <VlanX> anyone could help me on this?
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2749 [21:32:04] <rooftopjoe> Hi. I can't move the mouse cursor (although clicking seems to work) using the trackpad of my idepad lenovo 700-15iks in the debian installer.
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2751 [21:32:41] <rooftopjoe> i also tried with another ideapad and had the same problem last year.
2752 [21:32:52] <rooftopjoe> is debian known not to work on ideapads?
2753 [21:33:18] <rooftopjoe> trying 9.3.0 stable
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2761 [21:36:16] <Shmam> So I installed mysql (mariadb) and it got stuck during installation and won't start with "sudo service mysql start" It gets an error: replaced-url
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2763 [21:38:28] <Shmam> Hello?
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2769 [21:41:59] <petn-randall> Shmam: This is IRC, please be patient. It might take an hour or two for people to respond, especially on a weekend.
2770 [21:42:37] <petn-randall> Shmam: What does 'journalctl -u mariadb' show you?
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2781 [21:50:51] <Shmam> petn-randall: replaced-url
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2789 [21:54:40] <petn-randall> Shmam: Looks like it's being called a normal shutdown. So either something is telling it to shutdown cleanly, or you have some weird settings in the config. Did it work before?
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2793 [21:58:25] <Shmam> no. I haven't gotten it to work
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2796 [21:59:01] <Shmam> it also didn't have a proper installation, it got an error and never prompted for me to enter in the default root password
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2808 [22:01:33] <petn-randall> Shmam: Is this installed from the Debian repos, or from mariadb's repos?
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2810 [22:01:54] <Shmam> I used apt: "sudo apt install mysql-server"
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2815 [22:05:12] <petn-randall> Shmam: If you re-run that command, does anything happen?
2816 [22:05:36] <Mathisen> purge it first may be a good plan
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2818 [22:05:41] <Shmam> just shows that its already installed
2819 [22:05:51] <Shmam> I tried to purge and reinstall and had the same problem
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2821 [22:06:07] <Mathisen> you have any 3.rd party sources in your sources.list ?
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2826 [22:06:56] <Shmam> sources.list: replaced-url
2827 [22:07:10] <Shmam> thats just the default, this is a pretty fresh install of debian
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2838 [22:09:46] <Mathisen> had any recent kernel update ? and not rebooted ?
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2840 [22:10:32] <Shmam> I dont think there are any kernel updates. Apt says that everything is up to date. When should I reboot? after installation?
2841 [22:10:37] <Mathisen> not that is should affect this, just trying to count out things
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2846 [22:12:21] <Mathisen> purge your mysql-server
2847 [22:12:28] <Mathisen> then try to install mariadb-server instead
2848 [22:12:39] <Shmam> "sudo apt purge mysql-server"?
2849 [22:12:42] <Mathisen> yep
2850 [22:12:45] <Shmam> k
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2854 [22:13:57] <Shmam> and then "sudo apt install mariadb-server"?
2855 [22:14:00] <Mathisen> yep
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2858 [22:15:18] <Shmam> replaced-url
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2860 [22:15:38] <Mathisen> sudo systemctl start mariadb
2861 [22:16:13] <Shmam> replaced-url
2862 [22:16:36] <Mathisen> hmmm had any older versions or something ?
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2864 [22:16:52] <Mathisen> is there some old config laying around somewhere ?
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2867 [22:17:18] <Shmam> I don't think so. Where should I look?
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2876 [22:19:21] <Mathisen> what is in /var/log/mariadb/mariadb.log
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2880 [22:19:32] <chep_> hi anyone here?
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2885 [22:20:25] <Shmam> No such file or dir
2886 [22:20:38] <chep_> does anyone know how i can find all environment variables of svn?
2887 [22:20:47] <Shmam> I think the installation got stuck before it got tat far
2888 [22:21:15] <Mathisen> Shmam, something in /var/log/mysql/error then ?
2889 [22:22:13] <Shmam> weird thing: I dont have permission to cd there without sudo
2890 [22:22:17] <Shmam> maybe its a perm issue
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2892 [22:22:23] <Mathisen> yeah need to be root
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2896 [22:22:37] <usernam1234556> How do i acsess the command line during the debian CD installer?
2897 [22:22:40] <Shmam> sudo cd: command not found
2898 [22:22:45] <Shmam> should I sudo su
2899 [22:22:47] <Mathisen> yes
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2901 [22:23:22] <Shmam> that dir is empty "/var/log/mysql"
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2905 [22:23:50] <Mathisen> :( not mutch to go on
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2911 [22:24:47] <Mathisen> Shmam, just remove it .. reboot .. try again
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2914 [22:25:14] <Mathisen> and update apt ofc. sudo apt update
2915 [22:25:14] <Shmam> Mathisen: ok will do. I gotta go but I'll be back in an hour or so. Hopefully this fixes it
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2917 [22:25:22] <Shmam> yep
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2932 [22:31:35] <hk238> hello I'm considering installing Debian on my 2nd computer, but it uses a wireless adapter USB, asus N10 Nano
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2934 [22:32:07] <hk238> the problem is it keeps dropping the connection and I think the net installation fails due to that.. how to install debian and circumvent this problem?
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2936 [22:32:30] <well_laid_lawn> ou might need some firmare for the device
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2941 [22:34:50] <hk238> in the context of making a live USB for this purpose, is there some solution? I just tried arch and it kind of worked, but now there's a problem, and I'm not sure I want to go through the process again :o
2942 [22:35:21] <hk238> I remember trying to do a netinstall of somekind of debian earlier and it failing to finish due to losing the wifi connection mid-intsall
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2946 [22:36:48] <hk238> for an example is it possible to install a driver from the live USB before the actual installation?
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2959 [22:44:01] <gerphe> anyone else using Gnome 3 with Libreoffice notice that the Notebookbar takes up two rows?
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2968 [22:48:26] <gerphe> nvm, just removed a few menu items
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3004 [23:09:38] <ReAList> hi all
3005 [23:10:38] <SuperTramp83> low none
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3012 [23:16:34] <Tr4sK> Hey
3013 [23:16:59] <Tr4sK> Is there a way to force grub to update UUID from grub.cfg ?
3014 [23:17:36] <Tr4sK> For some reason, the line search lvmid is still on the wrong one
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3033 [23:30:48] <cheers> i'd appreciate some tips on SElinux
3034 [23:30:54] <cheers> if you guys have any
3035 [23:31:06] <cheers> been reading up on using audit2allow
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3037 [23:31:20] <cheers> to ease things up a bit
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3042 [23:33:11] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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3044 [23:34:11] <dury> got this replaced-url
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3048 [23:36:21] <dury> someone to suggest what to do please :)
3049 [23:37:45] <lucas-arg> hey all, i cant run games in debian using steam and nvidia drivers
3050 [23:37:53] <lucas-arg> dont know what goes wrong
3051 [23:38:07] <cheers> lucas-arg what display server are you using
3052 [23:38:14] <cheers> and what nvidia drivers
3053 [23:38:16] <lucas-arg> followed this replaced-url
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3055 [23:38:29] <lucas-arg> i did apt install nvidia-driver
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3057 [23:38:48] <cheers> dunno about your specific case, but i have an nvidia card, as well
3058 [23:38:50] <lucas-arg> then installed the libgl1-fglrx-glx:i386 package
3059 [23:38:55] <cheers> on fedora
3060 [23:39:05] <lucas-arg> and steam runs but games dont
3061 [23:39:05] <cheers> and i had to use the negativo17 repo to get it to work
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3063 [23:39:29] <dury> cheers, what about this replaced-url
3064 [23:39:36] <lucas-arg> well... i couldnt make it work
3065 [23:39:42] <lucas-arg> under debian 9.3
3066 [23:39:52] <petn-randall> dury: You haven't asked a question yet.
3067 [23:39:54] <petn-randall> !ask
3068 [23:39:54] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
3069 [23:39:56] <petn-randall> dury: ^^^
3070 [23:41:30] <dury> I have a problem updating packages!!!
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3072 [23:41:53] <dury> petn-randall, sorry
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3075 [23:42:34] <petn-randall> dury: But *what* is your problem? It's not clear from the paste alone.
3076 [23:42:39] <Epakai> dury: something put files that don't belong in /usr/lib, i don't see the install failing, is there more output?
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3078 [23:44:56] <dury> petn-randall, it say - ldconfig: /usr/lib/libbit4opki.so.conf is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
3079 [23:45:39] <donofrio> how do I get the screen/video to not flicker ever 5 seconds - replaced-url
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3081 [23:45:45] <petn-randall> dury: Yes, and what is the problem now?
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3084 [23:46:42] <dury> petn-randall, why it says that I guess it's something wrong, what you think?
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3086 [23:46:52] <petn-randall> dury: I mean, the statement is true; it's not an ELF file.
3087 [23:47:14] <petn-randall> dury: Where does that file come from? It's not shipped with Debian.
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3089 [23:48:05] <dury> petn-randall, I don't know from where
3090 [23:48:26] <donofrio> how do I get pastebinit to not do ansi - text version replaced-url
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3098 [23:49:59] <donofrio> I have no sound and video blinkin out ever 30 seconds
3099 [23:50:55] <donofrio> but at least remmina connects to windows 10 now though openconnect just now my video issue is so weird I have a blue hexchat though remmina to work desktop chatting you folk from
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3101 [23:51:38] <petn-randall> dury: Well, that's your first task then.
3102 [23:51:56] <Aionicus|NL> Hey guys , im trying to working my way on compiling some things , during compiling i get an error , after googling it it seems there is a patch for it on replaced-url
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3105 [23:53:24] <donofrio> anyone want to help me get my video card working correctly? replaced-url
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3116 [23:56:12] <Eduard_Munteanu> Aionicus|NL, you can use 'patch' or 'git apply' in the root dir of your sources
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3121 [23:56:46] <Aionicus|NL> thank you eduard , i just stumbled on the patch command :) , just need to see what bits i need to copy / paste from that bug report
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3125 [23:57:41] <lucas-arg> is there any way to launch the installer within a live CD?
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