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• 10[00:03:32] <tobiasBora> Hello,
• 11[00:03:34] <tobiasBora> I'd like to know, how could I install syslinux on a usb stick that has a DOS partition table (I'd like to avoid touse GPT to be sure to be able to boot on systems that support only DOS, and I'm sure that it's possible to use efi on DOS because I used to do it
• 12[00:03:35] <tobiasBora> using grub)
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• 29[00:11:48] <dhaller> so there is an executable file in this folder, i can run with ./filename
• 30[00:12:04] <dhaller> I made a symbolic link for it in /usr/local/bin
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• 32[00:12:14] <dhaller> why can't I just type the name
• 33[00:12:20] <dhaller> and have it as a command
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• 35[00:13:29] <mspo> is /usr/local/bin in your path?
• 36[00:13:31] <tobiasBora> dhaller: is /usr/local/bin in your path?
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• 39[00:14:15] <mspo> does typing /usr/local/bin/filename actually work?
• 40[00:14:16] <dhaller> yes
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• 42[00:14:35] <dhaller> but like, in the folder itself, i can't run the command unelss i run ./filename
• 43[00:14:47] <dhaller> i cant just run "filename"
• 44[00:15:10] <mspo> what happens if you run hash -d
• 45[00:15:23] <mspo> and then try again
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• 48[00:16:06] <mspo> if that doesn't fix it then something is wrong with the file mode or the link itself
• 49[00:16:15] <dhaller> im in /usr/local/bin, I see the file there
• 50[00:16:19] <dhaller> it's called flyway
• 51[00:16:26] <dhaller> i can't autocomplete it
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• 53[00:16:46] <dhaller> what do you mean by "wrong"
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• 55[00:16:56] <dhaller> i can execute it in the folder with ./flyway
• 56[00:17:08] <rkos> anyone have any knowledge about creating a custom live usb that is EFI bootable? i managed to get it to boot to grub on a stick but grub goes into grubrepair instead of booting the live system
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• 59[00:18:11] <dhaller> interesting, i got back "Too many levels of symbolic links"
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• 67[00:22:22] <rkos> i cant figure this out ive been trying for hours
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• 72[00:23:11] <rkos> trying to boot my custom live build on an UEFI system but i only got it to grubrepair
• 73[00:23:18] <rkos> maybe grub didnt install properly
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• 75[00:23:52] <hans_> rkos, ive had no problems doing it with Rufus ( replaced-url
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• 87[00:32:03] <rkos> i think the image isnt efi bootable
• 88[00:32:09] <rkos> i need to mess with xorriso i guess
• 89[00:32:45] <rkos> but it should be hybrid
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• 266[01:08:00] <rkos> replaced-url
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• 295[01:17:14] <rawruw> hi jelly
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• 301[01:19:41] <Mixologic> anybody know where I can find the archive of the netinstaller iso's ? They seem to be removed from cdimage.debian.org, and it doesnt look like there are any redirects or mirrors.
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• 310[01:22:27] <annadane> snapshots?
• 311[01:22:27] <Tarrasquero> replaced-url
• 312[01:22:48] <Mixologic> Thanks, but that only seems to have the very latest. Im looking for the archives.
• 313[01:22:53] <annadane> !snapshots
• 314[01:22:54] <dpkg> replaced-url
• 315[01:23:02] <Mixologic> aha. thank you.
• 316[01:23:10] <annadane> not sure if they'd be there; haven't checked
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• 327[01:25:23] <Mixologic> Dang. Appears to only be package snapshots.
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• 346[01:40:35] <simpledat> Hi why is debian stretch using a 2 year old resolvconf version?
• 347[01:41:21] <Brigo> simpledat, if you really want to know that, check the buglist of the package or ask the package maintainer.
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• 349[01:42:19] <annadane> ,v resolvconf
• 350[01:42:20] <judd> Package: resolvconf on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.67; jessie: 1.76.1; buster: 1.79; sid: 1.79; stretch: 1.79
• 351[01:42:32] <annadane> err
• 352[01:42:35] * annadane shrugs
• 353[01:42:55] <hans_> annadane, on that same node, why is debian shipping a many years old version of eclipse?
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• 355[01:43:24] <hans_> ,v eclipse
• 356[01:43:26] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; buster: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10; stretch: 3.8.1-10
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• 358[01:43:50] <Unit193> #681726
• 359[01:43:51] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 360[01:43:53] <annadane> i mean, in general, check the package tracker, but stable has old software because it's well tested
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• 363[01:44:42] <simpledat> my resolvconf version does not support the -x switch.
• 364[01:44:50] <simpledat> 1.79
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• 367[01:44:55] <sparrow1> hi
• 368[01:45:15] <annadane> hi sparrow1
• 369[01:45:23] <hans_> Unit193, thanks
• 370[01:45:27] <sparrow1> annadane: how's it going?
• 371[01:45:29] <Unit193> Sure thing.
• 372[01:45:36] <annadane> sparrow1, fine. do you have a debian support question?
• 373[01:45:44] <sparrow1> nope! =)
• 374[01:45:54] <sparrow1> getting lonely in #debian-offtopic =)
• 375[01:46:14] <annadane> we were just talking a few minutes ago :P but it really is best to keep social chat to that channel
• 376[01:46:37] <sparrow1> that i certainly agree with =)
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• 378[01:46:53] <simpledat> Anyone?
• 379[01:47:24] <sparrow1> simpledat: ask your question =)
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• 382[01:47:47] <annadane> the tracker - replaced-url
• 383[01:47:47] <hans_> simpledat, what?
• 384[01:48:11] <annadane> generally the reason something isn't in stable is because a new version wasn't done in time for freeze
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• 389[01:50:26] <annadane> though the one in sid/testing is the same
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• 392[01:51:02] <simpledat> my resolvconf version does not support the -x switch.
• 393[01:51:10] <simpledat> Resolvconf 1.79
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• 397[01:52:34] <simpledat> replaced-url
• 398[01:52:38] <simpledat> I cant execute this script
• 399[01:52:53] <simpledat> Because my esolvconf version does not support the -x switch
• 400[01:52:56] <simpledat> resolvconf
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• 402[01:53:14] <annadane> simpledat, "Since you're on Debian, I suggest you just switch to the openresolv package (replaces the resolvconf package). That should fix the problem."
• 403[01:53:19] <annadane> ,v openresolv
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• 405[01:53:20] <judd> Package: openresolv on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.5.2-1; jessie-backports: 3.8.0-1~bpo8+1; buster: 3.8.0-1; sid: 3.8.0-1; stretch: 3.8.0-1
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• 407[01:54:23] <simpledat> annadane: I know. I just want to understand why resolvconf does not have this feature. And why not debian stretch uses the recent version
• 408[01:54:34] <simpledat> of resolvconf
• 409[01:55:55] <annadane> right; so to answer that, as i said, the tracker doesn't say why but in general stable has old software in general
• 410[01:56:00] <annadane> you may try contacting the maintainer
• 411[01:56:10] <zokum_> i'm still having problems with my debian box, loads of bad checksums on packets, both udp and tcp. Cables and switches/ports should be ok
• 412[01:56:30] <Vasistha> in which package can I find the g executable for building java stuff?
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• 415[01:57:10] <zokum_> and as an interesting note, the bad checksums all start with the same data: 0xbe in most of the cases, the most common being 0xbe5c and 0xbe5b
• 416[01:58:25] <donofrio> do we have any mirrors to besty?
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• 418[01:59:10] <donofrio> ny netinstall cannot find any files it wants.... ;(
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• 429[02:03:51] <somiaj_> donofrio: did you copy your netinstall to a usb? How did you copy it?
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• 439[02:07:56] <donofrio> it's booting on the cd called "debian-9.0-powerpc-NETINST-1.iso"
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• 443[02:08:35] <donofrio> but it says it cannot find proper mirror that has besty
• 444[02:08:51] <simpledat> annadane: Is it safe to use openresolv instead of resolvconf?
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• 448[02:10:11] <somiaj> donofrio: so you burnt the iso to a cd? What network card are you using? wired or wifi?
• 449[02:10:25] <somiaj> simpledat: they should both be usable, use the one you like.
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• 453[02:11:50] <donofrio> it's on the network just fine
• 454[02:12:01] <simpledat> somiaj: Thank you
• 455[02:12:14] <simpledat> Bye
• 456[02:12:15] <donofrio> it is just I go though the whole list of mirros in usa and none seem to have the files this process needs
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• 460[02:13:00] <somiaj> donofrio: sorry, I'm with you. power ppc isn't an offically support arch anymore, it may not be on the regular mirrors. I'm unsure where it lives now as it isn't an offically supported release.
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• 462[02:13:25] <somiaj> there is a powerppc channel on irc.oftc.net that may have better info of how to use powerppc with debian now that isn't an offical release.
• 463[02:13:31] <donofrio> how do I crawl all mirrors to see who has it, considering there is a netinstall for this arch it should be somewhere
• 464[02:13:58] <somiaj> I think there is a common mirror for all the unoffical ports, i'm just not that familar with the details.
• 465[02:14:49] <somiaj> maybe you can get someone in #debianppc on irc.oftc.net to help
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• 468[02:15:28] <donofrio> people in that channel....
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• 472[02:17:14] <donofrio> only 20 people I meant
• 473[02:17:38] <donofrio> so if someone else here knows - I lurk all the time, type back and let me know what you know...
• 474[02:17:45] <somiaj> powerppc is now in debian-ports, this is where unoffical ports live, so there is a mirror. I just don't know the details.
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• 476[02:18:12] <somiaj> have you tried deb.debian.org as a mirror?
• 477[02:18:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 479[02:18:31] <donofrio> dunno I'll try.....
• 480[02:18:50] <somiaj> seems that one knows to redirect to valid mirrors that offer debian-ports
• 481[02:19:05] <annadane> oh boy, ftp.
• 482[02:19:07] <somiaj> also ftp.ports.debian.org
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• 484[02:19:16] <annadane> do not awake the greycat
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• 486[02:19:37] <somiaj> annadane: ftp.us.debian.org isn't nescirally an ftp connection
• 487[02:19:48] <somiaj> similarly ftp.ports.debian.org supports http, ftp and rsync
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• 493[02:22:19] <donofrio> I only want that version cause my remmina is not connected though rdp in 1.2.0 ;(
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• 495[02:22:53] <somiaj> donofrio: did the deb.debian.org mirror not work?
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• 497[02:23:42] <somiaj> anways my understanding is powerpc port is in debian ports, but I don't see it listed under the hosted architectures, again not sure on all the details since its removal from stretch.
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• 521[02:31:01] <tobiasBora> Hello,
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• 526[02:33:28] <tobiasBora> I'm trying to load Debian netinstall using a usb stick where I manually installed grub. Everythin works great for xubuntu, but when I try to install debian it fails during the installation at the step "Configure CD-ROM":
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• 528[02:33:42] <tobiasBora> Here is my grub.cfg file: replaced-url
• 529[02:33:53] <tobiasBora> where the interesting line is: linux (loop)/install.amd/vmlinuz priority=low config fromiso=/dev/sdb3/$isofile
• 530[02:34:07] <tobiasBora> I tried lot's of thing to replace fromiso, but none of them work
• 531[02:34:11] <tobiasBora> do you have any idea?
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• 533[02:35:38] <somiaj> tobiasBora: how do you copy the debian iso to the usb drive?
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• 535[02:35:51] <somiaj> tobiasBora: sorry one you manually install grub, unsrue here, the debian iso is hybrid and might take some fancy things to get it to boot.
• 536[02:36:06] <somiaj> tobiasBora: are you trying to make a usb stick that has various iso's you can boot from?
• 537[02:36:57] <donofrio> somiaj, this is what I see, I cannot typed in extra mirrors...
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• 541[02:37:28] <somiaj> tobiasBora: replaced-url
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• 544[02:39:07] <donofrio> replaced-url
• 545[02:39:29] <donofrio> somiaj, replaced-url
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• 547[02:41:00] <somiaj> deb.debian.org is on there, and that one should reidrect you to an appropriate mirror I would think.
• 548[02:41:37] <somiaj> I just can't find any good info on how to install powerppc now that it is in debian-ports and not an offical release. I should really try to get debian on the powerppc I have in my garage that i don't do anythign with, then I could answer this better
• 549[02:41:58] <donofrio> it's looking for "buster" code
• 550[02:43:14] <somiaj> well the netinstall doens't need a mirror, you could isntall the base system, then worry about configuring the mirror next
• 551[02:43:19] <somiaj> yea it might have 'testing' in there.
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• 557[02:49:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1632
• 558[02:52:04] <awal1> Any tool similar to 'lxappearance' ale to edit gtk theme colors?
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• 560[02:52:37] <awal1> 'lxappearance' only allows that if using 'lxsession'
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• 562[02:52:49] <awal1> able^
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• 565[02:55:06] <donofrio> I grabed the debian 9 netinstall powerpc iso from replaced-url
• 566[02:55:09] <somiaj> awal1: you could just learn how to write gtk theme files, for editing colors it isn't to hard.
• 567[02:55:34] <somiaj> donofrio: sounds like you got a testing image over a stretch one.
• 568[02:55:44] <somiaj> donofrio: but the netinstall contains a base system, you can completely install debian wihtout a mirror
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• 571[02:55:56] <donofrio> I dunno just trying to find a port for powerpc that has a netinstall iso
• 572[02:56:48] <somiaj> donofrio: you have one, just skip the mirror stage. Install the base system, then setup the mirror to install the rest of the packages afterwards.
• 573[02:56:49] <Vasistha> in which package can I find the g executable for building java stuff?
• 574[02:57:00] <donofrio> ok I'll try that
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• 576[02:57:27] <somiaj> donofrio: it could also be that in debian-ports they don't stick to the release, you may just have to run buster with debian-ports, again I'm unsure on the details, but you seem to be on the right track.
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• 578[02:58:10] <somiaj> Vasistha: I think you just need the full jdk development package, openjdk-8-jdk or openjdk-9-jdk
• 579[02:58:27] <Vasistha> somiaj: thanks!
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• 581[02:59:07] <awal1> somiaj, I should do and I try but no so much time :P
• 582[02:59:24] <aZz7eCh> hi #deb. stretch ~ installed sshfs ~ connected to server using ssh so that it saved credentials to my user ~ trying to run "sshfs -o IdentityFile=~/.ssh/id_rsa user@ip:/ /mnt/droplet" .... it asks for passphrase for key which i enter, then it seems to be done.. but trying to access /mnt/droplet results in "ls: cannot access 'droplet': Permission denied.
• 583[02:59:27] <Vasistha> somiaj: no luck :-(
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• 585[02:59:47] <aZz7eCh> any pointers appreciated ... as far as i can tell however, i'm set up exactly how i've done every other machine here sshfs'ing to this server
• 586[02:59:56] <somiaj> Vasistha: what is it you are wanting to build?
• 587[03:00:07] <Vasistha> somiaj: replaced-url
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• 589[03:01:31] <somiaj> Vasistha: that isn't just java, build-essential should contain the build tools in debian. Any reason the package adb won't work for you?
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• 591[03:02:04] <somiaj> the info i'm seeing there isn't complete, are you usre that can be built on linux, you may need to install various depends.
• 592[03:02:06] <Vasistha> somiaj: LF -> CRLF mangling
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• 595[03:03:34] <somiaj> looka likw you nwws ANDRIOD_NDK installed, and I can't tell form the info there if those build commands are for linux or not.
• 596[03:04:03] <Vasistha> at least... I assume that's the problem? I'm trying to use tar | nc to transfer from android to debian over adb, and it used to work with jessie, but it has stopped working
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• 599[03:04:45] <Vasistha> yes, I have android_ndk installed, so the configure step worked; but somewhere deep in the make, there is a call to g, which is failing. And I don't really know what g is. Maybe it's a typo in the makefile!
• 600[03:04:52] <Vasistha> but that seems unlikely
• 601[03:05:06] <somiaj> yea, i'm unsure what 'g' is
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• 603[03:05:44] <somiaj> but I'm not finding any binary called g in debian, there is gcc or g++
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• 606[03:07:37] <Vasistha> on closer inspection, the line that is choking is: $(JAVAC) -g -source 7 -target 7 -implicit:none -classpath "$(ANDROID_SDK_PLATFORM)/android.jar" Agent.java
• 607[03:08:06] <Vasistha> I don't understand why this line in the makefile returned with: /bin/bash: g: command not found
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• 609[03:08:55] <Vasistha> maybe because JAVAC is undefined? Maybe I just need to define JAVAC to ... be a java compiler?
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• 613[03:09:51] <somiaj> which will be in the original jdk package I suggested I belive.
• 614[03:10:15] <somiaj> seems it is called javac
• 615[03:10:26] <chocolate> I'm trying to install ampache and get the error: ampache can't connect to mysql.
• 616[03:11:02] <chocolate> is there a solution for this?
• 617[03:11:10] <somiaj> chocolate: since the swtich from mysql to mariadb, do you have mariadb installed? You may have to edit things so it connects to maraidb
• 618[03:11:18] <somiaj> as I don't think you can install mysql anymroe
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• 620[03:12:15] <chocolate> somiaj: I don't have it installed
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• 622[03:13:15] <somiaj> chocolate: well I would start by getting mariadb installed and setup, and you may have to edit things if ampache won't see mariadb by default and looks for mysql (unsure on details here)
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• 626[03:14:18] <somiaj> hmm, the wiki on amache is outdated
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• 628[03:14:25] <somiaj> ,v ampache
• 629[03:14:26] <judd> Package: ampache on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 3.6-git408e713+dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.6-rzb2752+dfsg-5
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• 631[03:14:43] <somiaj> chocolate: you running stretch?
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• 633[03:15:25] <somiaj> well seems it was removed from debian due to no matainer. But I'm not seeing any current info on installing it in debian
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• 635[03:16:17] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 636[03:17:08] <somiaj> (though that is to build teh package).
• 637[03:17:17] <chocolate> somiaj: I'm running Jessie
• 638[03:17:41] <somiaj> chocolate: are you installing from source or using teh ampache package?
• 639[03:17:56] <chocolate> I tried both ways with same error
• 640[03:18:17] <somiaj> sounds like you need to configure mysql/mairadb correctly. I think jessie still has mysql.
• 641[03:18:20] <somiaj> ,v mysql
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• 643[03:18:21] <judd> No package named 'mysql' was found in amd64.
• 644[03:18:34] <somiaj> ,v mysql-server
• 645[03:18:35] <judd> Package: mysql-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.58-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.58-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.58-0+deb8u1; stretch: 5.5.9999+default; sid: 5.7.20-1
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• 650[03:20:47] <chocolate> somiaj: the config file can create the database and user, and it write the ampache.cfg.php but doesn't connect to mysql after
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• 657[03:23:45] <Vasistha> somiaj: thanks so much for your help! I got it compiled and working :-)
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• 693[03:51:47] <zu22> MrMango17: hi
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• 723[04:11:15] <prasket> Did yesterdays Debian updates hose up anyone else’s display in Gnome? Had many issues decided to just wipe and install clean same issues :(
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• 742[04:17:46] <PuFFs> Can regular user run stuff in /etc/systemd/users or do they need to be root?
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• 744[04:18:39] <prasket> You can usually view but not edit
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• 755[04:24:58] <jimbzy> I'm having an issue with debian 9.2 not detecting a mp3 player via usb. Autodetect works fine for my phones, but I can't get anything from this little bugger.
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• 759[04:26:53] <xuxx> hey
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• 763[04:27:34] <xuxx> is it safe to open pdf from tpb ?
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• 765[04:28:08] <xuxx> or theye can maybe include some malicious javascript
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• 768[04:30:08] <jimbzy> I don't trust anything from that site.
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• 832[05:24:53] <awal1> ,v abiword
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• 834[05:24:53] <judd> Package: abiword on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.9.2+svn20120603-8; jessie: 3.0.0-8+b1; stretch: 3.0.2-2+deb9u1; buster: 3.0.2-4; sid: 3.0.2-5
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• 839[05:26:45] <somiaj> awal1: /msg the bots
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• 843[05:27:28] <awal1> looks like abiword is orphan and maybe no longer maintained?
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• 846[05:28:59] <somiaj> why not check the package tracker for that info. But 3.0.2 is the current upstream version, so it seems current.
• 847[05:29:09] <somiaj> just because versions aren't changing doesn't mean it has been abonded, could just be stable
• 848[05:29:32] <somiaj> (though I think libreoffice gets more attention for an office/word program)
• 849[05:30:50] <awal1> i checked pts already :P
• 850[05:31:08] <awal1> just wanted to know if still in dev (upstream)
• 851[05:31:19] <awal1> got confused googling
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• 853[05:31:40] <somiaj> the new tracker is a bit clearn to look at, and the watch file should let you know in the tracker if there is a new upstream version availb.e
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• 857[05:32:43] <somiaj> but yea, according to the tracker is has been orphaned, unsure about the upstream, but it isn't uncommon for projects to go that way.
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• 859[05:33:37] <awal1> watch file?
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• 868[05:37:06] <somiaj> awal1: the watch file is part of a source package that checks for new upstream release, and the tracker uses it to inform the matainer when there is a new upstream release
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• 871[05:38:28] <awal1> somiaj, ok
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• 874[05:42:12] <somiaj> so the tracker (provided the watch file is configured correctly) will let you know if there is a new upstream version.
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• 876[05:45:33] <Lady_Aleena> Hello, anyone here use Chromium as their normal browser? I need to know if there is a way to make a keyboard shortcut to the bookmarks menu.
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• 879[05:47:28] <Lady_Aleena> Forget it, I just found out the Chromium doesn't have the ability to do a quick find (when I start typing, it doesn't start searching the page). So, for me Chromium won't work. *sigh*
• 880[05:47:55] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: just use the menu, it gives the short-cut keys for the menu entries from there.
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• 882[05:48:08] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: what do you mean by quick find, ctrl+F, and chromium will search the page for any string.
• 883[05:48:18] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, there isn't one for bookmarks.
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• 885[05:48:27] <notadrop> I think quick find means it begins searching when you begin typing
• 886[05:48:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: open up the bookmark manager, in the upper right hand corner is a search for book marks
• 887[05:49:13] <somiaj> by default when I open that I can just start typing and it searches my bookmarks
• 888[05:49:14] <Lady_Aleena> In Firebox-esr it is alt+b, but not in Chromium. And I really want a Menu bar in Chromium.
• 889[05:49:25] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, chromium doesn't have the function"search while typing" as firefox
• 890[05:49:41] <notadrop> it sounds like you want Firefox's features
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• 892[05:49:52] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: ctrl+shift+O seems to open up the manager and let you search bookmarks.
• 893[05:50:00] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, that is why I said forget it. If Chromium can't search while typing, it won't work for me.
• 894[05:50:03] <notadrop> which features from Chromium do you need/want? i.e. why not use Firefox?
• 895[05:50:10] <somiaj> yea, firefox may have what you want, you could also see if there are any extensions which give that functionality.
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• 897[05:50:44] <Lady_Aleena> notadrop, Firefox lags on my system to the point of driving me mad sometimes. It is getting worse by the day it seems.
• 898[05:51:23] <notadrop> Lady_Aleena: what about using the latest Firefox? do you think that would help? 57+ is supposed to have much better performance.
• 899[05:51:25] <Lady_Aleena> I'll be in the middle of typing something in a text area, and suddenly Firefox lags.
• 900[05:51:41] <notadrop> I used this guide to get it on my stable system: replaced-url
• 901[05:51:46] <notadrop> oops
• 902[05:51:55] <notadrop> replaced-url
• 903[05:52:09] <Lady_Aleena> notadrop, do you have a way for me to get 57 from repo while I'm on Jessie?
• 904[05:52:15] <notadrop> Lady_Aleena: see the link ^
• 905[05:52:27] <Lady_Aleena> It says Stretch not JEssie.
• 906[05:52:33] <notadrop> Oh.
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• 908[05:52:48] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: if on jessie, don't use chromium, that should help thsi problem (security support has ended for chormium in jessie)
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• 910[05:53:08] <notadrop> Well this pulls it from the sid repos. I'm new to debian so I'm not sure how those work for older versions, like Jessie
• 911[05:53:15] <somiaj> note for a desktop you may want to consider upgrading to stretch.
• 912[05:53:53] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I would just download the binary from mozilla, and run it from $HOME or /opt. This will most likely work in jessie, but not postitive. It is a static linked binary so I don't think jessie will be a problem for this.
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• 915[05:54:51] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, the one time I looked at KDE in Stretch, I was horrified. It looked like crap.
• 916[05:55:18] <Lady_Aleena> KDE in Stretch came with the crappiest desktop backgrounds.
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• 918[05:55:23] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: well jessie has already lost security support for chomrium, and by next summer the lts team takes over which only gives seucrity support for server side software.
• 919[05:55:30] <somiaj> so change them, kde can be configured.
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• 921[05:56:18] <Lady_Aleena> How long does it take to upgrade?
• 922[05:56:44] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: depends on number of packages installed, maybe an hour or so.
• 923[05:57:00] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I couldn't find the desktop background I wanted on the net.
• 924[05:57:00] <somiaj> well and internet speed.
• 925[05:57:12] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: do you have the background you wanted on yoru computer right now?
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• 927[05:57:28] <Lady_Aleena> Yes.
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• 933[05:58:19] <somiaj> well you have the image, so you should be able to use the same background.
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• 936[05:59:23] <Agafnd> so, occasionally when i move the mouse or type something, the image on the screen flickers to the right and back again.
• 937[05:59:30] <Agafnd> i find this rather odd
• 938[05:59:38] <zokum> is there any special magic i have to invoke to make oidentd forward ident requests? i got oident with -P on the irc client machine, but as far as I can tell from syslog on the gateway, it doesn't forward and just reply no-user. oidentd has the following parameters: OIDENT_OPTIONS="-d -m -f"
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• 942[06:00:57] <notadrop> When I run steam, the client downloads an update and then closes. The next time I try to run it from the terminal, I get this: replaced-url
• 943[06:01:10] <notadrop> I'm on Stretch (stable)
• 944[06:01:24] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: note I would schedule time to upgrade (backuping up is also important and reading the upgrade part of the release notes helps too). But for firefox, and yoru current issue, I just download the binary from mozilla, and run it.
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• 946[06:01:53] <somiaj> notadrop: that link gives me a blank page
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• 949[06:02:11] <Lady_Aleena> They don't have a .deb for the most recent version?
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• 951[06:02:44] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you don't need a deb, download the precompiled binar, (it is in .tar.gz), extract it, then run the binary.
• 952[06:03:07] <somiaj> note, due to rust it maybe a while until firefox is in debian, since as of now rust is not in debian, so firefox cannot be built in debian.
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• 955[06:03:31] <somiaj> (well the newer version)
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• 959[06:04:47] <Lady_Aleena> Would someone be willing to walk with me while I try this?
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• 961[06:05:28] <somiaj> just ask questions as you need them, but first download the .tar.gz of the newest release( the binary not the source)
• 962[06:05:37] <Lady_Aleena> replaced-url
• 963[06:05:52] <Lady_Aleena> So, do I add the sid lines before or after the jessie lines?
• 964[06:06:04] <somiaj> don't add sid lines to jessie
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• 967[06:06:44] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: that link notadrop posted is terrible advise, do not follow it.
• 968[06:06:44] <Lady_Aleena> The page linked above says add two lines to /etc/apt/sources.list that say sid in them.
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• 970[06:06:55] <somiaj> notadrop: please do not link things that suggest people mix sid and stable.
• 971[06:07:29] <Lady_Aleena> Is there another, better, instruction page?
• 972[06:07:38] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: terrible advise. Go download the .tar.gz from mozilla.org, as I have suggested a few times now.
• 973[06:08:00] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: here, go to this link: replaced-url
• 974[06:08:20] <notadrop> somiaj: why is it a bad idea? besides possible depencency issues (I haven't had any (yet))?
• 975[06:09:09] <somiaj> !don't break debian
• 976[06:09:09] <dpkg> well, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 977[06:09:10] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I was looking for a link from earlier.
• 978[06:09:17] <somiaj> notadrop: it is a good way to break peoples installs.
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• 980[06:09:24] <Agafnd> every time you mix sid and stable...Ian kills a kitten.
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• 982[06:09:42] <notadrop> somiaj: can you be a bit more specific than 'break'?
• 983[06:09:43] <somiaj> notadrop: binary packages from sid are not designed to be installed in stable, and this can go anywhere from no harm, to breaks there whole system and the only way to fix is a reinstall.
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• 989[06:10:06] <somiaj> notadrop: read that wiki link. Also read up on what a backport is, one would want to backport the package from sid, not install the binary package form sid.
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• 991[06:10:15] <altker128> Hey guys, I'm on Debian 9; I'm trying to install nodejs & npm, I found the nodejs package but can't seem to find npm for some reason !
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• 993[06:10:36] <somiaj> plus once someone has sid in their sources.list, things start to mix and over time peopel are not running stable anymore, but some mixed system that could work, or could break everything.
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• 995[06:11:01] <notadrop> somiaj: no backports are available that I could find, for latest firefox.
• 996[06:11:23] <notadrop> somiaj: only firefox and a couple dependencies use sid
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• 998[06:11:45] <somiaj> notadrop: correct, because rust is not in debian, so they cannot be compiled in debian. And if a backport is not available, it is better to make your own then install a binary package from sid.
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• 1000[06:11:56] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I downloaded firefox-57.0.2.tar.bz2, is that like a .tar.gz?
• 1001[06:11:59] <somiaj> notadrop: and usually those are core dependencies (like libc6) that everything depends on.
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• 1003[06:12:17] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea, it is just a bz2 zip. Okay next, open up a terminal and go to the place you downloaded that file.
• 1004[06:12:24] <notadrop> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1005[06:12:28] <Lady_Aleena> Already there somiaj.
• 1006[06:12:44] <somiaj> notadrop: again, bad advise. Use it if y ou want, but please do not suggest it to users here.
• 1007[06:12:45] <notadrop> anyway, I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I understand what you're saying is best practise, and for good reason
• 1008[06:12:49] <notadrop> okay
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• 1012[06:13:20] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: okay, extract it. tar xjvf firefox-57.0.2.tar.bz2
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• 1014[06:13:52] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, done.
• 1015[06:14:09] <somiaj> notadrop: I've just seen to many people break their systems mixing things. .debs that use shared libaries are just not designed to be installed in releases they are not built for.
• 1016[06:14:16] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: cd firefox
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• 1020[06:14:27] <notadrop> somiaj: fair enough. I used to use Arch, so that doesn't really scare me
• 1021[06:14:27] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, done.
• 1022[06:14:31] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: then ./firefox
• 1023[06:15:02] <somiaj> notadrop: yea, and people who know how to debug things can sometimes get away with it, I've seen people do it for years, then one day it bites them. But people who don't really know what they are doing is bad advise.
• 1024[06:15:14] <notadrop> of course
• 1025[06:15:30] <notadrop> I don't disagree with you at all, it just hasn't bitten me yet
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• 1027[06:16:21] <somiaj> notadrop: also it is just easier to have it just be a hard rule (read over that don't break debian link on the wiki), then say, well if you knkow exactly what depends a package needs and are sure it will work nicely in your system, then well maybe you can do it.
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• 1030[06:17:47] <somiaj> notadrop: spend enough time in here, and you'll see some really borken systems due to mixing. (:
• 1031[06:18:05] <notadrop> somiaj: I don't doubt it
• 1032[06:18:21] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, okay, I see it now.
• 1033[06:18:32] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: there ya go, the newest firefox. Enjoy (:
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• 1035[06:19:03] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, we'll see as soon as I find all the right add-ons to replace the ones that the new Firefox doesn't like.
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• 1037[06:19:44] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you can move that firefox dir wherever you want. I suggest keeping it in $HOME. If you want a menu entry to run it, you'll have to create it yourself.
• 1038[06:19:49] <Lady_Aleena> I need to replace half a dozen add-ons that I have come to depend on.
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• 1040[06:20:12] <notadrop> There are lots of good new ones. I had the opposite problem you have... I switched to web addons, and when I installed debian and used firefox ESR, most of them broke
• 1041[06:21:09] <Lady_Aleena> Well, I need a new version of Classic Theme Restorer and Minimize to tray at least.
• 1042[06:21:46] <notadrop> hm. A lot of the UI ones don't work anymore
• 1043[06:21:51] <annadane> *some* people actually do use a combination of stable, testing, unstable, experimental... not that i recommend that in the least
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• 1045[06:22:18] <somiaj> !frakendebian
• 1046[06:22:27] <somiaj> !frankendebian
• 1047[06:22:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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• 1051[06:23:08] <somiaj> Again, if you know what you are doing, go for it. But you will loose support here, and don't give that advise to users here.
• 1052[06:23:11] <Agafnd> one might think of it as voiding one's warranty
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• 1054[06:23:19] <somiaj> as in it is your box, and you get to keep all the pieces when it breaks.
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• 1058[06:25:53] <Lady_Aleena> I wish companies would just improve the underlying technology without changing a program's appearance.
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• 1060[06:26:25] <Agafnd> well. there can always be a fork
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• 1062[06:26:40] <Lady_Aleena> The appearance of Firefox keeps getting worse.
• 1063[06:26:42] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: mozilla built a whole new programing langauge for this new version.
• 1064[06:27:04] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, so? Why does that have to change the appearance?
• 1065[06:28:09] <somiaj> I'm just saying, they changed everything...as for appearance, people just like change.
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• 1068[06:28:33] <Lady_Aleena> For example, if I were to decide one day to move from perl to python as the underlying technology to serve my website, the users wouldn't know it because the output would be exactly the same.
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• 1072[06:29:11] <Agafnd> *some* people like change
• 1073[06:29:23] <Agafnd> other people fork
• 1074[06:29:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea, design choices. Since you are taking the time to change things, maybe you'll see while, lets change this because I really didn't like it, and the next thing you know...
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• 1077[06:29:45] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, thank you very much for helping me get the new Firefox, even if I hate the way it looks.
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• 1079[06:30:22] <somiaj> I just wish webbrowers weren't such a key component these days, and due to there multides of security issues, you basically want to stick with what ever the big guys say, firefox and chromium in linux.
• 1080[06:30:29] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I would LOVE to have a horizontal menu on my site, I just don't know how to write the css+js to make it work.
• 1081[06:30:32] <somiaj> personally I think they all suck, way to bloated.
• 1082[06:30:57] <somiaj> but chormium gets my $DAYJOB done
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• 1084[06:31:40] <Mixologic> Does anybody know where I can find the .iso images of older debian releases? It seems like all notion of 'archive' or 'old' has been removed from debian.org
• 1085[06:31:51] <Lady_Aleena> !@#$%^&*()!@#$%&*()
• 1086[06:32:00] <Mixologic> specifically Im looking for the netinstall for 8.7.1
• 1087[06:32:05] <annadane> oh there's actually a good article
• 1088[06:32:15] <annadane> if i didn't already delete it from my bookmarks...
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• 1091[06:32:38] <Lady_Aleena> So, running the new Firefox disabled all the add-ons permanently in my old version of Firefox-esr. I think I am now going to cry.
• 1092[06:32:42] <somiaj> Mixologic: why 8.7.1? That really isn't older, and why won't the current jessie isntaller work for you?
• 1093[06:32:58] <annadane> replaced-url
• 1094[06:33:43] <Lady_Aleena> I'm sorry, but I have to: !@#$ %^&*
• 1095[06:33:45] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: sorry, didn't realize they changed that much, else I would have suggested backing up $HOME/.mozilla first.
• 1096[06:34:01] <Lady_Aleena> I lost everything!
• 1097[06:34:14] <somiaj> I was just trying to get the newer version of firefox for you. You don't happen to backup $HOME do you?
• 1098[06:34:28] <Mixologic> somiaj : because I have a packer build process that was using that to construct both my custom AMI, my vagrant box, as well as my vmware instances. Now I need to add one new package to those instances, and the missing iso means I cant make changes to my build.
• 1099[06:34:53] <Lady_Aleena> Let me see if I have it on my thumb drive.
• 1100[06:35:06] <somiaj> Mixologic: I don't know of any place that archives the previous install .iso's. Maybe snapshot.debian.org, but I think that is only packages, not .iso images.
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• 1102[06:35:38] <somiaj> Mixologic: Note, the only difference between 8.7 and 8.9 is going to be it includes all the seucirty and bug fixes, maybe rebuild using the current installer?
• 1103[06:35:51] <Mixologic> somiaj : I cant even find an 8.9 one.
• 1104[06:35:59] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, which directory in .mozilla/firefox do I want?
• 1105[06:36:02] <Mixologic> somiaj the only net installers seem to be 9 >
• 1106[06:36:22] <somiaj> Mixologic: jessie installers are still available. one second.
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• 1109[06:36:43] <somiaj> Mixologic: replaced-url
• 1110[06:37:00] <somiaj> those are all links to the 8.9 installer
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• 1112[06:37:08] <Mixologic> replaced-url
• 1113[06:37:10] <Mixologic> still broken
• 1114[06:37:58] <somiaj> Mixologic: hmm webpage isn't update, looks like you'll need 8.10.
• 1115[06:38:35] <annadane> (there's an 8.10?)
• 1116[06:38:37] <somiaj> Mixologic: note it appears the jidgo files might still be there to build from hand. But here you go, replaced-url
• 1117[06:38:40] <Mixologic> somiaj : ah, okay
• 1118[06:38:42] <somiaj> annadane: recent release
• 1119[06:38:57] <annadane> i know about 9.3, i guess i just didn't read my emails closely enough :P
• 1120[06:39:01] <somiaj> Mixologic: just be careful, there is a currnt bug that causes kernel panics on some systems. that is why I was hoping 8.9 was still out there.
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• 1123[06:39:54] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: If you have a backup, take that whole directory, and backup your current one. sometlike like mv ~/.mozilla/firefox ~/.mozilla/firefox-57, then bring in the old .firefox dir from your backup.
• 1124[06:39:56] <Mixologic> somiaj see, this is why I cant use these. I cant really risk introducing an upgrade without a major testing undertaking.
• 1125[06:40:21] <Mixologic> and it looks like everything prior to 8.10.0 got blitzed.
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• 1127[06:40:50] <somiaj> Mixologic: .iso's take up a lot of the server space, and so the automatic system does this.
• 1128[06:40:56] <somiaj> Mixologic: you can't seem to find your old .iso?
• 1129[06:41:08] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, sorry I was so temperamental a few moments ago. I had to cool my head a bit. Thankfully the links to the add-ons still worked, so I got the ones I needed back.
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• 1131[06:41:22] <somiaj> Mixologic: I happen to have a copy of 8.5.0 and 8.7.1-live...so I can't help out.
• 1132[06:41:24] <zu22> Lady_Aleena: yay
• 1133[06:41:51] <annadane> are you not keeping your firefox profiles seperate?
• 1134[06:41:55] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: yea, one uese debian jessie cause it is a nice frozen system that doens't change, but yet the webbrowers is a different beast!
• 1135[06:41:56] <Mixologic> somiaj its not that, its that packer expects to be able to download it. I have a copy of it cached locally. I guess I'll have to see if I can get packer to accept the already cached version
• 1136[06:42:00] <annadane> because otherwise you'll get a mix of esr and new firefox
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• 1139[06:42:29] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I don't know how to do that. I just install Firefox and go with it.
• 1140[06:42:37] <somiaj> Mixologic: ahh, maybe you'll want to host the image in a place for the packer as opposed to using cdimage.debian.org, this way you don't have to deal with this each point release.
• 1141[06:43:09] <annadane> Lady_Aleena, "firefox -ProfileManager" in the terminal
• 1142[06:43:10] <Mixologic> somiaj heh. I think I tweeted something to that effect earlier today: keep of copy of your build dependencies.
• 1143[06:43:30] <somiaj> Mixologic: but if you think about all the differnt live, dvd, cd images debian provides, each point release is a large amoutn of data space, and this space is mostly donated, so it is kinda limited.
• 1144[06:43:32] <annadane> so if you want, you can keep esr and newer 'fox and still be able to use all the old extentions
• 1145[06:43:52] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, all these programs with "accounts" and "profiles" and this, that, and the other thing all confuse me. I am the only user on this computer, so I don't need separate anything to run it. I would love an accountless Debian.
• 1146[06:44:27] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: well, it is nice to have different system users on your system, even if you are the only login user.
• 1147[06:44:32] <Mixologic> somiaj : yeah, I guess I really dont have any concept of how *many* there were for each release.
• 1148[06:44:45] <annadane> s/extentions/extensions
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• 1152[06:46:25] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I just learn to adapt, but I also use no extensions, I got tired of this game with browers a long time ago...as I say, they all suck, but with the world we live in we have to use them. I consider it kinda like traffic, it sucks but to get to work I have to deal with it.
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• 1154[06:47:17] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, I take it that I can't be running Firefox at the time when I run that command?
• 1155[06:47:46] <annadane> that's a good question. i actually don't remember but i can check it literally right now
• 1156[06:48:35] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, don't worry about it. As long as I have Classic Theme Restorer, Minimize to Tray, and Saved Password Editor I am good. Without those, I am screwed.
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• 1158[06:49:00] <annadane> so yeah it needs to be closed, if you firefox -ProfileManager with an instance open it just opens a new version of firefox without prompting the profile manager window
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• 1162[06:49:23] <annadane> anyway, it's of course entirely up to you what you do, just that you know the option exists if you want it
• 1163[06:49:45] <annadane> (though i'm on sid but it should be the same for stable, probably)
• 1164[06:52:12] <Lady_Aleena> I am a simple user with simple needs, like a browser's interface getting out of my way.
• 1165[06:53:24] <Lady_Aleena> I need keyboard commands, like alt+b in a browser bringing up my bookmarks menu.
• 1166[06:54:00] <annadane> i'm kind of surprised firefox doesn't offer an easy way to edit keyboard shortcuts
• 1167[06:54:05] <annadane> afaik
• 1168[06:54:53] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, that last was targeted at Chromium.
• 1169[06:57:49] <Lady_Aleena> annadane, see Chromium does not have a menu bar, so Chromium has a harder to use interface, at least for me.
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• 1172[06:58:49] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I am sure you can get use to it, just takes time.
• 1173[06:58:52] <Lady_Aleena> Chromium is not built for a keyboardist. Sure I use the mouse quite often, but sometimes I don't want to move my hands from the keyboard to the mouse to open a new page in a new tab, so I keyboard everything for it.
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• 1175[06:59:29] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: all of the menu entries have keyboard short cuts.
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• 1177[06:59:55] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I don't use bookmarks, but other stuff I do just fine with the keyboard in chromium.
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• 1180[07:00:40] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, how do you keep all the websites you use organized? In your head?
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• 1183[07:01:21] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I don't use that many. The ones I use reguarlly I just type out in teh adress bar and chormium has them memorized, others I just use google to search for them.
• 1184[07:01:31] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: but I think it boils down to I probably only use about 10 sites.
• 1185[07:01:49] <Lady_Aleena> I have hundreds in my bookmarks.
• 1186[07:02:11] <cheers> i use chmod 777 on all my linux machines, AMA
• 1187[07:02:17] <cheers> if everything is root, nothing is root
• 1188[07:02:37] <Lady_Aleena> Even I know that breaks stuff cheers.
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• 1190[07:03:05] <cheers> Lady_Aleena privilege escalation is impossible on any of my machines
• 1191[07:03:38] <Agafnd> cheers: wow that sounds like a bad idea!
• 1192[07:04:00] <cheers> it's a very advanced security model called "fuck unix permissioning"
• 1193[07:04:18] <Lady_Aleena> Um...
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• 1212[07:15:44] <Lady_Aleena> PS. I wish I could upgrade distributions without losing my music for the time it takes.
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• 1216[07:17:59] <notadrop> losing your music?
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• 1224[07:26:40] <Lady_Aleena> Yes, I can't play my music while upgrading. It is all on this computer, that is unless I go out to my car to listen while the OS is upgrading.
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• 1228[07:28:19] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: I don't see why you can't play music during the upgrade, the only point I see you won't be able to is during the reboot to the new kernel.
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• 1233[07:30:29] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, its the reboot that would be the most nerve wracking part.
• 1234[07:31:05] <somiaj> always is.
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• 1236[07:32:11] <altker128> Hey guys, anyone installed node and npm on Debian?
• 1237[07:32:19] <annadane> !anyone
• 1238[07:32:20] <dpkg> Please do not ask if anyone can help you, knows 'something' or uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <ask to ask> <polls> <search> <sicco> <smart questions>.
• 1239[07:32:42] <somiaj> altker128: what version of debian? do you want a newer version than the node.js that comes with stretch?
• 1240[07:32:47] <numbdewd> some glitching,crackling or sudden freezes in music , on win, often seems an indicator of possible incoming BSOD tleast.. :z yikes
• 1241[07:32:58] <altker128> somiaj: I'm on 9 (Stretch) and I'm OK with what's in Debian
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• 1243[07:33:11] <Mixologic> somiaj : turns out I didnt have an old copy after all, but jigdo seems to be doing the trick. especially since Im in the same datacenter as a mirror.
• 1244[07:33:24] <somiaj> altker128: so install node.js and npm
• 1245[07:33:26] <aaap> may i know anyone using mpd & ncmpcpp for music? i like to know if it can play mp4 file as well.
• 1246[07:33:36] <numbdewd> altker128: ya, repeadly!..not done all that much with it tho (often just using npm once many of the times, for downloading some app. easily )
• 1247[07:33:38] <altker128> somiaj: Uhh, I found a nodejs package but NOT an npm, that was my point
• 1248[07:33:45] <somiaj> Mixologic: oh good, yea jigdo might file
• 1249[07:34:06] <somiaj> Mixologic: arg, might fail if it cannot find a file that has changed on the mirror, so hopefully your mirror is set at the version you want.
• 1250[07:34:09] <somiaj> ,v npm
• 1251[07:34:10] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
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• 1253[07:34:51] <somiaj> hmm, wonder why it was removed from stretch, packages.debian.org seemed to think it was still there, one second.
• 1254[07:36:00] <somiaj> altker128: hmm, the package was outdated, I guess it was causing enough problems it was removed, but I can't find the exact bug report.
• 1255[07:36:25] <somiaj> altker128: I don't know node.js well enough, but it seems to be evolving fast enough it wasn't suited for a frozen system.
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• 1257[07:36:37] <altker128> somiaj: Yeah, that is what I notice too
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• 1264[07:39:18] <somiaj> altker128: google seems to give some ways to install it from upsteam.
• 1265[07:39:32] <altker128> somiaj: Yeah, I'm doing that now too
• 1266[07:39:39] <altker128> somiaj: Gonna just compile node and npm
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• 1273[07:44:12] <altker128> somiaj: replaced-url
• 1274[07:46:02] <altker128> somiaj: I'm giving that a try
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• 1281[07:52:52] <Mixologic> somiaj thanks for the help figuring out how to get this sorted. jigdo downloaded the iso fine, shasum's match, and packer can build off of the local iso file.
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• 1283[07:56:40] <somiaj> Mixologic: glad it worked out. Sorry there wasn't just an archive of the .iso images (or if there is I don't know about it)
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• 1289[07:59:45] <Adran> how would I debug the debian installer, it freezes at pulling network resources - but i can manually wget the files
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• 1293[08:01:19] <Mixologic> somiaj : yeah, maybe just a redirect to a page that explains that they've been removed, and how to retrieve them. e.g. this page (replaced-url
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• 1296[08:02:17] <notadrop> Is anyone here using Debian on ARM?
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• 1298[08:02:48] <Mixologic> somiaj in any case, I totally understand how community donated resources are scarce, and so is maintainer/documentor time (I work for the drupal infra team).
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• 1300[08:04:00] <somiaj> notadrop: yes, there are people who use debian on arm, otherwise there wouldn't be a whole offical arch for this.
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• 1303[08:06:20] <notadrop> key word being anyone *here* ;)
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• 1305[08:06:38] <notadrop> I guess you probably know enough about it, though
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• 1308[08:06:52] <notadrop> are all packages compiled for ARM as well, or is it a small subset?
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• 1311[08:07:26] <somiaj> notadrop: some packages are arch specific, but these only form a small amount, and mostly include ones that have x86 specific assembly code in them
• 1312[08:07:47] <somiaj> so it is a subset, but a large subset, as in most packages. For instance you won't have wine on arm.
• 1313[08:08:02] <notadrop> somiaj: so then the usual apps for editing documents, writing programs, consuming media, should all be cross-platform?
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• 1315[08:08:24] <somiaj> notadrop: most should. I don't use arm so I can't give you a list, but yes, most should be.
• 1316[08:08:31] <notadrop> somiaj: great! thanks.
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• 1335[08:23:55] <altker128> Man building nodejs is taking some time!
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• 1345[08:28:31] <Agafnd> well this is annoying, the display is flickering back and forth occasionally
• 1346[08:29:06] <Agafnd> like, occasionally, when i move the mouse or type something, the entire picture flickers to the right, and then back
• 1347[08:29:22] <Agafnd> it just started, yesterday
• 1348[08:29:23] <somiaj> Agafnd: what version of debian? What video driver?
• 1349[08:29:34] <Agafnd> version 9
• 1350[08:29:53] <Agafnd> erm, how do i find out which video driver
• 1351[08:29:58] <somiaj> Agafnd: downgrade the kernel. You may ahve the old kernel in /var/cache/apt/archives/ -- I don't think you are the only one I have heard this issue with.
• 1352[08:30:23] <Agafnd> oh, i did just do an apt update && apt upgrade yesterday
• 1353[08:30:31] <Agafnd> i seem to remember a kernel upgrade
• 1354[08:30:32] <somiaj> Agafnd: and did you reboot?
• 1355[08:30:36] <Agafnd> yes, i did
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• 1357[08:30:52] <somiaj> Agafnd: downgrade the kernel, then go find the bug report about this. I don't htink you are alone.
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• 1359[08:31:05] <Agafnd> okay, how do i downgrade the kernel?
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• 1369[08:38:08] <Agafnd> do i just `apt install linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64` or whatL
• 1370[08:38:16] <Agafnd> *what?
• 1371[08:38:40] <somiaj> Agafnd: first, do you have the old kernel package in /var/cache/apt/archives
• 1372[08:38:50] <somiaj> Agafnd: ls /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-4.9*
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• 1375[08:39:15] <Agafnd> er, no
• 1376[08:39:30] <somiaj> Agafnd: then you'll have to get it from snapshot.debian.org, the version is 4.9.30-2+deb9u5
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• 1379[08:41:34] <somiaj> Agafnd: replaced-url
• 1380[08:43:36] <Agafnd> okay, so by what method ought i to install linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64_4.9.30-2+deb9u5_amd64.deb
• 1381[08:43:47] <somiaj> once you have the file dpkg -i that file
• 1382[08:43:53] <Agafnd> ok!
• 1383[08:44:01] <somiaj> note you can add a source to your sources.list if you worry about man in the middle attack of downloading the file directly.
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• 1387[08:46:08] <Agafnd> oh, huh
• 1388[08:46:19] <Agafnd> there's no checksums i can use instead?
• 1389[08:47:18] <somiaj> The checksum is there, but a man in the middle attack could easily fake that too
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• 1392[08:48:03] <somiaj> hence why snapshot.debian.org has ways to add info to your sources.list so you use apt's keys to verify the identy.
• 1393[08:48:26] <somiaj> You can also just download the deb and dpkg -i it, choice is yours, I just wanted to let you know the risk (that is what I have done in the past)
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• 1396[08:49:34] <Agafnd> i guess it's the difference between a small inconvenience, and a minute possibility of Bad Problems
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• 1400[08:49:59] <somiaj> and it is the kernel
• 1401[08:50:28] <Agafnd> yeah, i think i might use apt for it.
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• 1404[08:52:06] <somiaj> read the index page on snapshot.debian.org for how to set that up
• 1405[08:52:27] <Agafnd> yeah, i see...just not sure on what date to use
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• 1407[08:53:12] <somiaj> Agafnd: the link I gave you would give you the date
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• 1410[08:53:20] <Agafnd> oh, i see
• 1411[08:53:20] <somiaj> 'see in .... on ...'
• 1412[08:54:16] <altker128> somiaj: Well, node built and npm is available to me :)
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• 1415[08:54:35] <somiaj> altker128: congrats.
• 1416[08:54:39] <somiaj> !next
• 1417[08:54:39] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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• 1419[08:59:03] <Agafnd> so, i want to add the line `deb replaced-url
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• 1422[09:00:26] <somiaj> Agafnd: if that is what it says, I don't use snapshot that often.
• 1423[09:00:32] <somiaj> so I can't just look at that and say, 'yes'
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• 1426[09:01:04] <Agafnd> right, okay
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• 1438[09:08:40] <MegaLoLgoth> Hi
• 1439[09:08:53] <Tarrasquero> o/
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• 1441[09:09:02] <MegaLoLgoth> I'm looking for phpsysinfo package on Stretch
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• 1443[09:09:42] <somiaj> ,v phpsysinfo
• 1444[09:09:43] <judd> Package: phpsysinfo on amd64 -- jessie: 3.0.17-1; wheezy: 3.0.17-1; sid: 3.2.5-3
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• 1446[09:09:52] <somiaj> MegaLoLgoth: its not there, I can try to figure out why.
• 1447[09:10:30] <MegaLoLgoth> somiaj, Yes, thx! It seems it's available on sid and oldstable, but not in Stretch
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• 1450[09:11:02] <litb> hello all
• 1451[09:11:22] <litb> does Debian on Arm enable program flow prediction in the CP15's c1 register by default?
• 1452[09:11:28] <somiaj> MegaLoLgoth: replaced-url
• 1453[09:11:29] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1454[09:12:10] <somiaj> litb: #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net maybe a good place to ask (and wait for an answeR) if you don't get one here.
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• 1458[09:14:11] <litb> thanks
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• 1464[09:16:37] <altker128> somiaj: Eh, all that building, some wasted time :(
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• 1466[09:17:10] <moritz__> modinfo 24 (kmod) in stretch is not able to find the module nvidia. Works with 23 on ubuntu. lsmod lists "nvidia" as present and loaded. Any idea how i can get the modinfo output for that driver module? Thanks
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• 1468[09:18:20] <somiaj> altker128: oh it didn't work. I don't use node.js so I can only try to point you to google or what I find on google.
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• 1471[09:18:58] <Agafnd> somiaj: i finally decided to just dpkg -i the file.
• 1472[09:19:08] <Agafnd> i rebooted, but i still appear to be using 4.9.0-4-amd64
• 1473[09:19:14] <Agafnd> and i still get the flicker D:
• 1474[09:19:32] <somiaj> moritz__: it probably is looking in /lib/modules not the kernel memory, and for some reason isn't looking at third party modules, unsure why.
• 1475[09:20:00] <somiaj> Agafnd: what was the exact file you downloaded?
• 1476[09:20:31] <Agafnd> replaced-url
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• 1480[09:22:01] <somiaj> Agafnd: you downloaded too old of a version. because of the -3 int he name you would have to find this under other kernels
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• 1483[09:22:54] <somiaj> Agafnd: oh it was my fault. sorry
• 1484[09:22:59] <somiaj> Agafnd: replaced-url
• 1485[09:23:23] <Agafnd> oh. okay
• 1486[09:23:36] <somiaj> Agafnd: you could also use the one you installed, you'll just have to select it from grub, while one of those images will replace the kernel you have
• 1487[09:23:44] <MegaLoLgoth> judd, thx
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• 1489[09:24:12] <MegaLoLgoth> Is there some alternative for phpsysinfo?
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• 1492[09:24:32] <somiaj> MegaLoLgoth: not that I know of, you could also jsut get it from upstream.
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• 1497[09:25:03] <Agafnd> somiaj: so, can i dpkg -r the one i just installed?
• 1498[09:25:06] <somiaj> MegaLoLgoth: the version form sid looks like it might install in stretch too, by its depends.
• 1499[09:25:12] <somiaj> Agafnd: yes, or --purge to remove the config files
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• 1501[09:25:24] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: why don't you apt-get purge it?
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• 1503[09:25:49] <Agafnd> pingfloyd: can i do that? i did not install it with apt
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• 1505[09:26:03] <pingfloyd> if it was a deb package, it should work
• 1506[09:26:06] <Agafnd> and what would be the advantage, if so
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• 1509[09:26:44] <somiaj> Agafnd: apt will also remove any packages that depend on it, in this case there won't be much of a difference. In other cases dpkg would fail where apt would not
• 1510[09:26:46] <pingfloyd> like even when you install a package standalone (e.g., manually download and install via dpkg or gdebi), it should be in the apt database at that point and apt should be able to handle tracking and removing it etc.
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• 1513[09:27:10] <Agafnd> ah, ok.
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• 1516[09:27:36] <pingfloyd> a standalone package would be where you had to run dpkg -i ...; apt-get -f install, or gdebi ...
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• 1518[09:28:00] <pingfloyd> gdebi pretty much does what dpkg -i ...; apt-get -f install does
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• 1520[09:28:26] <Agafnd> while we're on the subject, what's the difference between apt install and apt-get install?
• 1521[09:28:43] <pingfloyd> apt is more of a front-end
• 1522[09:28:51] <pingfloyd> apt-get is more of a direct command
• 1523[09:29:01] <somiaj> pingfloyd: one small correct, it is dpkg database that is being used, apts database contains info about what packages are availbe in ones sources, dpkg is locally installed. apt uses both.
• 1524[09:29:13] <pingfloyd> like apt covers a few tools such as apt-get, apt-cache, etc.
• 1525[09:29:33] <pingfloyd> somiaj: true
• 1526[09:29:40] <somiaj> or the new 'apt', which is designed for the end user, while apt-get and apt-cache are now more for scripting
• 1527[09:29:41] <Agafnd> pingfloyd: hm, okay -- seems redundant though
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• 1529[09:29:44] <pingfloyd> somiaj: I just call it "the database"
• 1530[09:30:11] <pingfloyd> you can depend on apt-* to not change its interface too
• 1531[09:30:24] <pingfloyd> but apt is a different story there
• 1532[09:30:34] <Agafnd> somiaj: so, do i want replaced-url
• 1533[09:30:46] <pingfloyd> that's one of the reasons you should strive to use apt-* instead of apt with your scripts
• 1534[09:30:54] <somiaj> Agafnd: no that is the most recent kernel and the one that is causing you troubles.
• 1535[09:31:14] <somiaj> Agafnd: you want one of the previous ones before that. Unsure exactly which one you were using before the upgrade.
• 1536[09:31:14] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: what seems redundant?
• 1537[09:31:21] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: oh, you mean the invention of 'apt'
• 1538[09:31:26] <Agafnd> pingfloyd: yes
• 1539[09:31:30] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: it is rather redundant imo too
• 1540[09:31:43] <pingfloyd> I think apt is more of a "user-friendly" concession
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• 1542[09:31:59] <somiaj> It isn't, apt-get was kinda stuck, because it is used in scripts it had to keep a fialry stable abi, couldn't do nice color output and fancy things a user may want to see.
• 1543[09:32:13] <Agafnd> pingfloyd: but it's the command line, we don't need no steenking user friendliness! :P
• 1544[09:32:19] <somiaj> so apt was meant to be a more user tool, simiplify teh syntax, combine apt-get and apt-cache into a single binary, and give nicer output to a user.
• 1545[09:32:26] <pingfloyd> somiaj: i.e., useless user friendly eye candy
• 1546[09:32:49] <somiaj> pingfloyd: some people like it, keep using the old ones if you want
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• 1548[09:33:03] <Agafnd> somiaj: so is it 4.9.65 that's giving me trouble, or 4.9.65-3 specifically?
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• 1552[09:33:54] <somiaj> Agafnd: It is 4.9.65-3 that is giving you the trouble, i'm unsure if 4.9.65-1 will also give you the same trouble.
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• 1555[09:34:13] <somiaj> Agafnd: as I don't know what kernel you were using before the upgrade.
• 1556[09:34:20] <Agafnd> only one way to find out? ...*wince*
• 1557[09:34:30] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: you could always try one of the kernels from debian backports
• 1558[09:34:32] <somiaj> Agafnd: or pick an older one to just be safe.
• 1559[09:35:07] <somiaj> pingfloyd: in this case, the recent update in stretch introduced a regression bug, probably best to just downgrade, and report a bug to wait for the regression bug to be fixed (over going to backports)
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• 1561[09:35:34] <pingfloyd> glad I put it off and am still on jessie then
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• 1563[09:35:46] <pingfloyd> I knew stretch was going to have a lot of issues
• 1564[09:35:51] <somiaj> jessie has a far worse bug, many people are getting kernel panics on the new jessie kernel.
• 1565[09:35:52] <Agafnd> so. replaced-url
• 1566[09:35:56] <somiaj> the stretch upgrade is mild in comparision
• 1567[09:36:00] <somiaj> Agafnd: yes.
• 1568[09:36:03] <pingfloyd> I haven't had any problems with jessie
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• 1570[09:36:18] <Agafnd> well. here goes
• 1571[09:36:24] <somiaj> unsure what happend, but the recent kernel upgrades are just problematic.
• 1572[09:36:30] <pingfloyd> actually there was only one issue, but this has been in other debian releases as well.
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• 1574[09:36:58] <pingfloyd> sometimes the system won't resume correctly, but using the backports kernel seemed to fix that for the most part.
• 1575[09:37:01] <somiaj> pingfloyd: It affected a certain group of people using 2-socket cpus (not sure what that meant), but I've seen people who have had their server farm taken out by that, very incovient..:(
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• 1578[09:37:25] <somiaj> due to unattended upgrades, as one usually does not expect things like this in debian stable.
• 1579[09:37:30] <somiaj> or oldstable.
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• 1582[09:37:34] <pingfloyd> I tend to take my sweet time updating to newest debian releases
• 1583[09:37:40] <pingfloyd> let other people be the guinea pigs
• 1584[09:37:55] <Agafnd> "dpkg: warning: downgrading linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64 from 4.9.65-3 to 4.9.51-1" that's what i want to see
• 1585[09:37:55] <somiaj> pingfloyd: this was not a 'newest debian release thing' this was a jessie security kernel upgrade.
• 1586[09:38:07] <somiaj> Agafnd: yes, you are downgrading the package to an older version that didn't have this bug.
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• 1588[09:38:23] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: that's fine
• 1589[09:38:37] <pingfloyd> Agafnd: it's just warning you to make sure it is what you expected
• 1590[09:38:40] <moritz__> @ somiaj it is named nvidia-current not nvidia. Thanks. A simple find in /lib/modules found it.
• 1591[09:39:10] <somiaj> moritz__: ahh, so the name of the module in the kernel may not be the name for the info, didn't realize that.
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• 1594[09:40:04] <moritz__> i did not either. Thanks for your help. Wouldn't have though that the tool only looks on disk.
• 1595[09:40:18] <somiaj> moritz__: well it shoudl be able to give info for modules that aren't loaded too. (:
• 1596[09:41:26] <somiaj> wonder if this was a debian change or nvidia change, could possibly be a debian change to deal with the various nvidia-legacy drivers
• 1597[09:41:33] <moritz__> yeah, next time i read the first line of the manpage. :)
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• 1605[09:42:32] <Agafnd> so far so good
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• 1609[09:43:38] <somiaj> Agafnd: now I would suggest eitehr earching for a bug report, or reproting this regression bug to the BTS. use report bug, also try to figure out what video card you have, lspci can help.
• 1610[09:43:48] <somiaj> reportbug I mean
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• 1619[09:44:57] <Agafnd> video card, would that be what lspci calls "VGA compatible controller"
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• 1623[09:45:51] <pingfloyd> yep
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• 1625[09:46:20] <pingfloyd> aka GPU (though technically the card contains the gpu)
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• 1630[09:48:36] <somiaj> Agafnd: now dont' upgrade your kernel, until a new update, and hopefully they'll fix this regreesion for you. The kernel team is fairly good, but they are volunteers and sometimes regressions happen.
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• 1634[09:50:01] <Agafnd> somiaj: got it.
• 1635[09:50:13] <Agafnd> huh, i can't find the bug report for this.
• 1636[09:50:27] <Agafnd> most likely i am bad at navigating the bug tracker
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• 1639[09:53:57] <somiaj> Agafnd: report bug will help you with that.
• 1640[09:54:01] <somiaj> !reportbug
• 1641[09:54:01] <dpkg> reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. See replaced-url
• 1642[09:54:09] <Agafnd> ok
• 1643[09:54:26] <somiaj> anyways, thanks for giving this info to the debian kernel team. and glad you machine is back to normal.
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• 1645[09:54:30] <somiaj> but I should really goto bed, 2am here
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• 1647[09:54:40] <Agafnd> yeah getting late here too
• 1648[09:54:46] <Agafnd> somiaj: thanks for the help!
• 1649[09:55:10] <JohnA> what is the easiest way of updating from stretch to buster?
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• 1658[10:01:26] <Agafnd> hm, i think this is the one replaced-url
• 1659[10:01:27] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 1660[10:01:39] <Agafnd> though it never crashed my system, thankfully
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• 1663[10:06:02] <craigp> morning all ~ how do i go about installing vim 8 on debian?
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• 1665[10:06:20] <craigp> is there an official package anywhere or do i have to build from source?
• 1666[10:06:44] <altker128> Eh, anyone here have experience with nodejs?
• 1667[10:07:46] <craigp> hmm, maybe it's because I've used jessie?
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• 1674[10:13:23] <pingfloyd> craigp: why don't you just download the source from upstream?
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• 1677[10:13:40] <pingfloyd> craigp: I'd just compile and run (skip installing)
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• 1718[10:46:15] <choice> Hello!
• 1719[10:46:47] <choice> Oh shit! My Debian servers want to update 54 MB of libraries. What happened?
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• 1722[10:48:26] <colo-work> a new minor release, probably
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• 1727[10:48:55] <JohnA> nickserv identify L##p@@l44
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• 1731[10:49:20] <choice> colo-work: What is a minir release?
• 1732[10:49:46] <choice> Does that mean new functionality?
• 1733[10:49:53] <colo-work> Debian 8.9 -> Debian 8.10 -- Debian 9.2 -> Debian 9.3
• 1734[10:49:55] <colo-work> no
• 1735[10:49:59] <colo-work> look at the changelog
• 1736[10:50:07] <choice> colo-work: Where?
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• 1738[10:50:24] <colo-work> replaced-url
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• 1740[10:51:03] <choice> I see.
• 1741[10:51:14] <choice> "New stable kernel version 3.16.51"
• 1742[10:51:17] <choice> What does that mean?
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• 1744[10:51:43] <colo-work> that the Debian kernel was re-based on a new upstream kernel release
• 1745[10:52:18] <colo-work> the individual packages also have changelogs that you can refer to
• 1746[10:52:23] <choice> What is the upstream kernel? Linus Torvalds thingy?
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• 1748[10:52:54] <colo-work> the Debian kernel's upstream is kernel.org, yes
• 1749[10:53:04] <choice> Interesting.
• 1750[10:54:47] <choice> What if he introduced a bug that only affects my specific configuration?
• 1751[10:55:01] <choice> Will I be totally fucked or would I be able to downgrade?
• 1752[10:56:18] <colo-work> Debian generally doesn't officially support package downgrades. it's generally possible to force-install an old package version; you'll just have to deal with any fallout yourself
• 1753[10:56:58] <choice> Ok.
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• 1755[10:57:06] <colo-work> however, Debian's policy for upgrades to stable releases mandates no breaking changes (if there ARE any breaking changes, the changelog will prominently warn about those)
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• 1757[10:57:13] <choice> Things are so complex. I'm always surprised they work so well.
• 1758[10:57:23] <colo-work> oh yeah...
• 1759[10:57:40] <colo-work> it's much, much more complex than any single individual knows :S
• 1760[10:58:07] <choice> Yet it works. I can't remember when I was affected by a bug last time.
• 1761[10:58:19] * choice reboots, fingers crossed...
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• 1764[10:59:42] <choice> Also amazin how fast the servers are up again after a reboot.
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• 1799[11:22:16] <luna-> Hello, anyone knows if OMV can be updated from Debian 9.2 to 9.3?
• 1800[11:23:18] <nkuttler> omv?
• 1801[11:23:30] <luna-> Openmediavault
• 1802[11:23:49] <babilen> dpkg: openmediavault
• 1803[11:23:50] <dpkg> OpenMediaVault is a NAS operating system with a web-based control panel. It is <based on Debian> but not supported in #debian. Support can be found at replaced-url
• 1804[11:23:56] <babilen> luna-: Best ask them ^^
• 1805[11:23:58] <luna-> babilen: thanks
• 1806[11:24:18] <babilen> I can tell you that Debian can be upgraded from 9.2 to 9.3 but wouldn't want to make that claim for openmediavault
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• 1808[11:24:30] <luna-> babilen: okay
• 1809[11:24:54] <luna-> babilen: asked the OMV guys and will wait for an answer, thanks :)
• 1810[11:25:01] <babilen> All the best
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• 1812[11:26:02] <luna-> babilen: will download new Debian ISOs for another server while waiting :)
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• 1834[11:39:14] <spaceone> hi, in debian wheezy there was a package libapache2-mpm-prefork. this does not exists in stretch anymore. what is the correct replacement for it?
• 1835[11:41:11] <spaceone> ah, it's a module now and part of the core
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• 1867[11:58:50] <no_gravity> What is a good calculator for the command line?
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• 1870[11:59:05] <no_gravity> bc always surprises me. I type '0.45/3' and get '0'.
• 1871[11:59:15] <no_gravity> I need something that works more like a normal calculator.
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• 1881[12:02:01] <no_gravity> I wonder if I should alias bc to 'bc -l'.
• 1882[12:02:14] <nkuttler> no_gravity: eh, i just run python
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• 1885[12:03:05] <nkuttler> but you can run into float/int problems there as well, need to be explicit sometimes
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• 1888[12:03:30] <nkuttler> 1/3 -> 0, 1.0/3 -> 0.3333
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• 1893[12:06:53] <no_gravity> Hmm.. that's also gives me some stupid output. Like 3/4=.750000000000000
• 1894[12:06:56] <no_gravity> The right answer for me would be 0.75
• 1895[12:06:58] * no_gravity gives up on bc.
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• 1905[12:13:05] <Thyriaen> I am still having problems with shutdown of my x1 carbon - but i have tested it enough to conclude that it does shut down properly when i have AC attached but not if it is running on battery O.o
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• 1908[12:16:09] <Thyriaen> i got this independently of the kernel replaced-url
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• 1914[12:17:06] <luna-> got it to work now was the Lund mirrors fault
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• 1919[12:19:38] <Thyriaen> luna-, what problem did you have ?
• 1920[12:19:46] <petn-randall> Thyriaen: What are the problems? Does it fail to turn off? Reboot? Burst into flames?
• 1921[12:20:02] <luna-> Thyriaen: the Lund debian apt mirror was down for a couple of minutes so Debian box did not wanna update to 9.3 instead of 9.2
• 1922[12:20:16] <luna-> but when everything got up and in sync everything works flawless
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• 1925[12:21:17] <Thyriaen> petn-randall, it just gets stuck, not shutting down - reboot works
• 1926[12:21:54] <petn-randall> Openmediavault is still offtopic in here ...
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• 1929[12:22:15] <luna-> petn-randall: sorry atleast got it too work
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• 1953[12:36:38] <GodOfSea> hey
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• 1956[12:37:04] <GodOfSea> I am trying to install cmake 3.10 in debian 7.
• 1957[12:37:11] <GodOfSea> but failed
• 1958[12:37:18] <hans_> good job
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• 1960[12:37:33] <GodOfSea> apt-get install cmake doesnt work
• 1961[12:37:46] <GodOfSea> cmake --version 2.8
• 1962[12:38:04] <GodOfSea> downloaded 3.10.0 tar.gz
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• 1964[12:38:20] <GodOfSea> ./bootstrap was fine
• 1965[12:38:34] <GodOfSea> make had some errors
• 1966[12:39:01] <GodOfSea> and of course make install didnt work
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• 1968[12:39:18] <GodOfSea> So I am stuck here
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• 1971[12:42:34] <JustASlacker> anybody who can help with deploying a django / uwsgi app with debian?
• 1972[12:42:36] <GodOfSea> Yo anyone out of 1656 people ?
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• 1975[12:47:21] <petn-randall> JustASlacker: Ask your real question.
• 1976[12:47:27] <petn-randall> !hurry
• 1977[12:47:27] <dpkg> [hurry] Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
• 1978[12:47:32] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: ^^^
• 1979[12:47:38] <petn-randall> ,v cmake
• 1980[12:47:39] <judd> Package: cmake on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.9-1; wheezy-backports: 2.8.11.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.0.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 3.7.2-1; buster: 3.9.5-1; sid: 3.9.5-1
• 1981[12:47:58] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: Is there a reason you need cmake 3.10?
• 1982[12:48:24] <GodOfSea> I understand petn-randall
• 1983[12:48:27] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: I mean, it's not even packaged for sid yet.
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• 1993[12:49:03] <GodOfSea> I am trying to install github/butor/blackbird
• 1994[12:49:12] <Exagone313> Hi, is it possible to install nginx only with the modules I want? I tried --no-install-recommends but it still installs other dynamic nginx modules I don't want. Thanks for your help.
• 1995[12:49:38] <GodOfSea> and it requires cmake version 3.10 and above
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• 1997[12:49:44] <JustASlacker> well
• 1998[12:49:56] <JustASlacker> I have a django app I want to serve via uwsgi and nginx
• 1999[12:50:03] <GodOfSea> github.com/butor/blackbird
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• 2002[12:50:08] <JustASlacker> I thought i could use apt install uwsgi
• 2003[12:50:27] <JustASlacker> but looks like I have to use the uwsgi installed inside the django virtualenv
• 2004[12:50:39] <Exagone313> Oh, I tried with nginx-light, will check if it loads the modules
• 2005[12:50:53] <JustASlacker> now Im wondering how to correctly server that with systemd
• 2006[12:51:47] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: There aren't any detailed requirements, how do you know cmark 3.10 is needed?
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• 2008[12:53:02] <GodOfSea> CMake Error at CMakeLists.txt:1 (cmake_minimum_required):
• 2009[12:53:02] <GodOfSea> CMake 3.1 or higher is required. You are running version 2.8.9
• 2010[12:53:19] <GodOfSea> 3.1 is 3.10 right ?
• 2011[12:53:21] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: no
• 2012[12:53:27] <petn-randall> 1 is different from 10.
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• 2014[12:53:36] <GodOfSea> theres a decimal ?
• 2015[12:53:51] <GodOfSea> oh man
• 2016[12:54:01] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: It's not a decimal dot. 2.8.9 wouldn't make much sense then.
• 2017[12:54:22] <petn-randall> GodOfSea: Upgrade to jessie, or even stretch. wheezy is a pretty old OS, anyway.
• 2018[12:54:33] <GodOfSea> Ok
• 2019[12:54:42] <GodOfSea> So i need cmake jessie-backports: 3.6.2-2~bpo8+1
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• 2021[12:55:17] <me1_> I'm try to add passwd of encrypted luks home drive, but it says passphrase is wrong.
• 2022[12:55:40] <GodOfSea> Thanks petn-randall
• 2023[12:55:42] <me1_> it is unlocked, what is wise to do?
• 2024[12:55:56] <me1_> maybe the keybd is not functioning the same anymore
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• 2028[12:59:17] <me1_> No key available with this passphrase.
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• 2043[13:10:01] <Qass> hello, how can I add a second (side or bottom) panel on gnome3 desktop?
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• 2050[13:13:49] <Qas> hello, is it ok to install python's latest version to stretch?
• 2051[13:14:37] <nkuttler> Qas: how would you install it?
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• 2053[13:15:04] <speial> Hello! I want to edit a video. Crop it to a part of the width/height and delete some scenes. Any ideas what would be a good linux program for it?
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• 2055[13:15:46] <Qas> nkuttler, I dont have a specific way yet. but I've read that adding testing repos could do it as they contained the said version
• 2056[13:15:58] <nkuttler> Qas: no, don't do that
• 2057[13:16:02] <Qas> ok
• 2058[13:16:03] <nkuttler> !tell Qas about backports
• 2059[13:16:06] <petn-randall> !frankendebian
• 2060[13:16:06] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
• 2061[13:16:30] <Qas> got it :)
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• 2063[13:17:00] <petn-randall> Qas: python 3.5 is in stretch, which is new enough for most projects.
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• 2065[13:17:34] <Qas> petn-randall, really? I checked python -V and it showed me 2.7.
• 2066[13:17:57] <Qas> oh, sorry, no. now it shows 3.5.3 indeed
• 2067[13:17:59] <Qas> curious
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• 2069[13:18:17] <Qas> probably it changed during the first part of the install
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• 2071[13:19:00] <Qas> petn-randall, thank you so much for your hint!
• 2072[13:19:17] <Qas> nkuttler, thank you so much, I will need to know about backports :)
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• 2075[13:22:22] <petn-randall> Qas: Your default python should still be python 2.7, but 'python3' should point to v3.5.
• 2076[13:23:17] <Qas> petn-randall, so I have two versions installed?
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• 2079[13:25:10] <petn-randall> Qas: Yes, python 2 and 3, which is perfectly fine.
• 2080[13:25:28] <Qas> all right
• 2081[13:25:33] <petn-randall> Qas: Before you ask, you can remove v2, it's needed by many core packages of your OS.
• 2082[13:25:55] <Qas> no, if they are fine, I dont mind keeping them
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• 2084[13:26:16] <petn-randall> *can't
• 2085[13:26:21] <petn-randall> Damnit, I always typo this.
• 2086[13:26:28] <Qas> I got you, no worries :)
• 2087[13:26:34] <petn-randall> hehe
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• 2089[13:27:45] <speial> Ok I will dig into it deeper later. Have to go now.
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• 2114[13:41:53] <dTal> Okay, so this is on Raspbian, and feel free to tell me to sod off. But I've never seen anything like this, so you might be interested.
• 2115[13:42:15] <dTal> I have a Mysterious Case of the Fibbing wpa_cli
• 2116[13:43:06] <dTal> wpa_cli reports "disconnected", when in fact wpa_supplicant connects just fine
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• 2120[13:45:36] <petn-randall> dTal: It is indeed offtopic here, but you can try their channel:
• 2121[13:45:39] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 2122[13:45:39] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2123[13:45:56] <dTal> I did try their channel
• 2124[13:46:10] <dTal> but you know, it's quiet in here
• 2125[13:46:29] <petn-randall> dTal: That doesn't make it magically ontopic.
• 2126[13:46:39] <dTal> and it's not like we don't talk about sports and politics ever in here
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• 2128[13:47:51] <petn-randall> dTal: If you want to talk about sports and politics, feel free to do it in #debian-offtopic. And bring any issues with Raspbian up in #raspbian.
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• 2130[13:48:03] <dTal> sheesh
• 2131[13:48:14] <dTal> alright, sodding off sir
• 2132[13:48:24] * petn-randall raises eyebrows.
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• 2134[13:48:59] <petn-randall> dTal: It's not like you joined yesterday, you should know the rules by now.
• 2135[13:49:31] <toruvinn> dTal, you sure your wpa_cli connects to the "right" supp?
• 2136[13:50:00] <petn-randall> toruvinn: Feel free to discuss it in #raspbian, not in here.
• 2137[13:50:02] <dTal> I know the rules, I know why they're there, and I think they are applied a tad too dogmatically sometimes
• 2138[13:50:27] <dTal> but I don't want to provoke an argument over it.
• 2139[13:50:38] <petn-randall> dTal: Feel free to bring it up in #debian-ops if you don't like how the rules are applied.
• 2140[13:50:55] <petn-randall> Yes, please let's keep this channel free for actual Debian support.
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• 2253[15:07:26] <Colossal> hello i cant install ntop
• 2254[15:07:27] <contrapunctus> o/
• 2255[15:07:44] <petn-randall> Colossal: What is stopping you?
• 2256[15:07:51] <Colossal> using sudo apt-get install ntop ; reult is Unable to locate package ntop
• 2257[15:08:01] <Colossal> are there any alternatives?
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• 2259[15:08:12] <petn-randall> Colossal: ntopng
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• 2264[15:08:45] <Colossal> oh nice its installing now thanks
• 2265[15:08:54] <petn-randall> Colossal: You're welcome!
• 2266[15:08:56] <contrapunctus> Colossal: `apt search (-f) <term>` might help, next time ;)
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• 2268[15:09:34] <Colossal> thanks guys.. im glad that all of you are willing to help
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• 2271[15:09:59] <Colossal> b1 - #883787 - ntopng: Error "Missing CSRF parameter" in "Manage users" and "Preferences" oooh
• 2272[15:10:01] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2273[15:10:39] <contrapunctus> Has anyone tried using ibus-table-emoji? I installed the package, but there's no option for it in IBus Preferences -> Input Method -> Add; not even under "Other", and not even after I restarted IBus. :\
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• 2278[15:14:10] <Iridos> Colossal, and how we know… when you install apt-file, you can just do apt-file search bin/ntop
• 2279[15:14:44] <Colossal> okay wait ill try
• 2280[15:15:33] <Colossal> command not found
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• 2286[15:17:30] <Colossal> guys after installing ntopng i installed the redis-server
• 2287[15:17:43] <Colossal> and i use sudo service redis-server start
• 2288[15:18:04] <Colossal> then still ntopng wont start for it needs redis-server
• 2289[15:18:10] <Colossal> 2/Dec/2017 22:16:22 [Redis.cpp:79] ERROR: ntopng requires redis server to be up and running
• 2290[15:18:25] <Colossal> eventhough i already installed the redis-server
• 2291[15:18:33] <Colossal> and activated it
• 2292[15:19:22] <Iridos> have you read /usr/share/doc/ntopng/README.Debian ?
• 2293[15:20:06] <Colossal> okay, ill check
• 2294[15:20:17] <Iridos> and possibly /usr/share/doc/ntopng/README.ntopng
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• 2306[15:28:23] <Colossal> Dec 12 22:27:47 parrot ntopng[8760]: [Redis.cpp:79] ERROR: ntopng requires redis server to be up and running
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• 2309[15:28:44] <Colossal> eventhough redis-server is already running
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• 2311[15:28:50] <xochilpili> hi all
• 2312[15:29:24] <xochilpili> im having some issues with terminal in mate, once i put a huge text then i lost characters and can not write anymore
• 2313[15:29:29] <xochilpili> i need to type Ctr+C
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• 2327[15:35:02] <contrapunctus> People, anyone?
• 2328[15:35:58] <RoyK> usually someone's around
• 2329[15:36:21] <Iridos> maybe not so many needing an input bus for their emoji
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• 2334[15:37:38] <contrapunctus> Hm...
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• 2346[15:40:18] <lembron> someone PLEASE port danted-proxy from wheezy upwards... - hpsockd is absolute hell, just dies all the time ;(
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• 2359[15:47:36] <tw> lembron: err, dante-server?
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• 2361[15:48:00] <lembron> yep
• 2362[15:48:08] <tw> ,v dante-server
• 2363[15:48:09] <judd> Package: dante-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.1.19.dfsg-3+b3; stretch: 1.4.1+dfsg-5; buster: 1.4.2+dfsg-2+b2; sid: 1.4.2+dfsg-2+b2
• 2364[15:48:13] <oskie> wheezy.. and i thought i was slow to upgrade, still running jessie
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• 2367[15:48:49] <tw> Seems to be missing in jessie, but it's there in stretch.
• 2368[15:48:53] <lembron> not running wheezy, its just the "last i known that had it" - on jessie now, so using hpsockd, and it suuucks ;D
• 2369[15:49:11] <lembron> that it made it back in on stretch is news to me o.O
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• 2372[15:50:04] <__marco> Hello. What is stretch-update? Do I need it in my sources.list?
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• 2374[15:50:27] <__marco> # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
• 2375[15:50:45] <tw> __marco: replaced-url
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• 2377[15:51:26] <oskie> i think the dependencies of the dante-server package in stretch would allow for installation on jessie, if you dare installing it
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• 2380[15:52:27] <lembron> guess ill just port this box to stretch =) - thanks tw
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• 2382[15:52:49] <lembron> (pretty sure when i checked last some months ago it wasnt in stretch, but i wouldnt bet on it)
• 2383[15:53:01] <oskie> lembron: heh i guess we both should upgrade
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• 2385[15:54:39] <__marco> What is the correct line for debian-security? I use deb.debian.org but it fails:
• 2386[15:54:44] <__marco> W: The repository 'replaced-url
• 2387[15:55:00] <__marco> E: Failed to fetch replaced-url
• 2388[15:55:11] <asterismo_l> i
• 2389[15:55:13] <asterismo_l> hi
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• 2391[15:55:47] <asterismo_l> please help, i'm getting divorced and the debian PC goes to my wife
• 2392[15:56:02] <asterismo_l> but she wants to rename te home folder to her name
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• 2394[15:57:28] <asterismo_l> how do i rename the home folder and user without breaking anything?
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• 2399[15:59:26] <mtn> asterismo_l: I just used this and it works well. replaced-url
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• 2401[15:59:54] <asterismo_l> mtn, thanks man
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• 2422[16:09:25] <allure> guys, I need material to study policy routing on Linux. Any suggestions? I'd love some video lessons, but websites and books are also fine
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• 2428[16:11:10] <tw> allure: replaced-url
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• 2430[16:11:53] <allure> thank you, tw ;-)
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• 2436[16:13:33] <tw> allure: long story short, rules match flows/packets then set the table to use which has the actual routes to use. Make sure ALL of the routes you need for those packets are present on the policy-selected table, including duplicates from the main table as needed.
• 2437[16:14:22] <allure> tw: including duplicates? alright...
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• 2440[16:14:42] <tw> It does not fall back.
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• 2442[16:14:53] <allure> tw: nice to know, thank you very much
• 2443[16:15:03] <allure> tw: will study this before implementing anything :D
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• 2457[16:20:11] <fishcooker> is there any paste applicatios that handle copy paste buffer?
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• 2460[16:23:10] <petn-randall> fishcooker: several, yes
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• 2524[16:53:13] <chuck_> hi, who is use fastboot on debian?
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• 2533[16:54:36] <petn-randall> fishcooker: Most DEs have their own tool. And there's "xclipboard".
• 2534[16:54:46] <petn-randall> chuck_: It's better to ask your real question.
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• 2576[17:05:35] <planetmaker> hi, seems the current update for cups does not go smoothly in jessie: replaced-url
• 2577[17:06:15] <nkuttler> planetmaker: apt-cache policy
• 2578[17:06:23] <nkuttler> ,v cups-daemon
• 2579[17:06:24] <judd> Package: cups-daemon on amd64 -- jessie-security: 1.7.5-11+deb8u1; jessie: 1.7.5-11+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.2.1-8~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.1-8; buster: 2.2.6-2; sid: 2.2.6-2
• 2580[17:06:58] <nkuttler> ,v libcups2
• 2581[17:06:59] <judd> Package: libcups2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.3-5+deb7u6; wheezy-security: 1.5.3-5+deb7u6; jessie-security: 1.7.5-11+deb8u1; jessie: 1.7.5-11+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.2.1-8~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.1-8; buster: 2.2.6-2; sid: 2.2.6-2
• 2582[17:07:36] <planetmaker> replaced-url
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• 2589[17:10:42] <chuck_> it is possible to add a shortcut to touchpad in debian 9.3 similar laptop apple to slide two fingers for back page ?
• 2590[17:10:52] <chuck_> sorry for my bad english
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• 2593[17:11:27] <nkuttler> chuck_: in your browser?
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• 2595[17:12:11] <chuck_> yes
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• 2598[17:14:00] <nkuttler> chuck_: sounds like mouse gestures, that should be a browser-level setting
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• 2600[17:15:01] <chuck_> on the mac it is level of system
• 2601[17:15:34] <nkuttler> you don't use mac os
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• 2606[17:16:09] <chuck_> why ?
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• 2611[17:21:20] <no_gravity> What is a good simple video editing software in the debian repos? I tried kdenlive but it always crashed.
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• 2621[17:25:45] <kopper> You could try pitivi or avidemux
• 2622[17:26:32] <kopper> At least pitivi is in Stretch repos, avidemux doesn't seem to be
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• 2625[17:28:15] <no_gravity> I'm trying OpenShot right now. Find it pretty confusing.
• 2626[17:28:24] <n4dir> no_gravity: here is a list of video-editing software, "einfach" translates to easy, so that would a a good searchterm: replaced-url
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• 2628[17:28:52] <kopper> I wasn't too happy about Openshot, but managed to come up with simple wedding video
• 2629[17:29:03] <no_gravity> n4dir: Yes, I saw it.
• 2630[17:29:09] <n4dir> ah, sorry then
• 2631[17:29:17] <soul-d> it might not be easyest and not even where you think about but blender does have video edition in it but it's not simpel i think well prehaps with one of the many youtube tutorials
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• 2633[17:30:00] <soul-d> blender VSE
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• 2637[17:30:43] <no_gravity> soul-d: "VSE"?
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• 2639[17:30:53] <soul-d> video sequense editor
• 2640[17:31:02] <no_gravity> I might try that one.
• 2641[17:31:10] <soul-d> but workflow is more like you add a film as a strip of png
• 2642[17:31:22] <soul-d> or convert then do your editing render it out as png
• 2643[17:31:35] <soul-d> then use ffmpeg to convert the frames to video
• 2644[17:31:44] <soul-d> rendering to video is the devil
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• 2646[17:31:54] <soul-d> 5 hours rendering and corrupt avi
• 2647[17:32:02] <soul-d> or 1 corrupt png file
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• 2649[17:32:42] <no_gravity> soul-d: blender cannot export an mpeg of the video?
• 2650[17:32:50] <soul-d> that is the warning cause you might see the option to easily visable
• 2651[17:32:51] <soul-d> sure
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• 2653[17:32:57] <soul-d> but i just told you why not
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• 2655[17:33:08] <Iridos> no_gravity, what are the things you need to do… and… what are the things you might actually do without
• 2656[17:33:28] <soul-d> but like i said it might be over the top for your needs
• 2657[17:33:47] <no_gravity> Iridos: I just want to crop it. Remove some part at the beginning, the end, the top and the bottom.
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• 2663[17:35:54] <Iridos> no_gravity, if you just need to cut parts out, replaced-url
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• 2668[17:36:46] <no_gravity> Iridos: I only use software from the debian repos.
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• 2672[17:36:57] <Iridos> it's just a binary
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• 2674[17:37:48] <Iridos> if I need to crop, I have some somewhat complicated toolchain of mplayer --> (x264 and neroAacenc) -> MP4Box
• 2675[17:38:00] <Iridos> and that sucks… but not as much as all the graphical tools I tried
• 2676[17:38:12] <Iridos> that guy here seems to suggest blender replaced-url
• 2677[17:38:28] <Iridos> and I haven't actually tried that …
• 2678[17:38:43] <soul-d> oh it's powefull asling as you head my warning
• 2679[17:38:51] <soul-d> without the typo's
• 2680[17:39:13] <Iridos> yeah… I guess it'll not be possible to use that within 10 minutes… but the same guy lists some video tutorials at the end
• 2681[17:39:22] <Iridos> and they might actually help
• 2682[17:39:35] <soul-d> 2 reasons blender is heavily based on python ( you get an python console with it so if you know python ?? )
• 2683[17:39:48] <soul-d> wich is not good for long render times on video files
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• 2685[17:40:16] <soul-d> you can do a png frame quickly or redo the video file if it fails
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• 2687[17:40:29] <Iridos> no_gravity, well… the thing is… if you only use software from the repos… sometimes there are things that a linux software can do, but you cannot
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• 2689[17:41:21] <Iridos> it's a fact!
• 2690[17:41:32] <Iridos> anyway, this is only a subset
• 2691[17:42:13] <Iridos> basically, I crop with something like this:
• 2692[17:42:20] <Iridos> $mplayer -nosound -benchmark -fixed-vo -sws 9 $MP_OPT -vo yuv4mpeg:file=>(x264 --demuxer y4m --crf $crf --preset slow --profile baseline --level 30 --vbv-bufsize 10000 --vbv-maxrate 10000 $XOPT --threads auto --output justsame-${crf}.264 - 2>x264.log) "$@"
• 2693[17:42:21] <Iridos> :-/
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• 2701[17:45:41] <Iridos> I actually spent some time just today to find a good software for my simpleish need
• 2702[17:46:13] <Iridos> but didn't give tools like cinelerra, that I had tried on jessie a 2nd chance
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• 2752[18:09:45] <rajivmars> hi all. i have just install debian stretch xfce to my hp laptop. i am not able to increase or decrease the brightness. somebody please help me.
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• 2754[18:10:39] <rajivmars> the increase and decrease buttons of the keyboard works but it is unaffected.
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• 2756[18:11:22] <somiaj> what do you mean work? Also brightness and blacklight are two different things.
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• 2759[18:12:45] <rajivmars> somiaj, i mean i am unable to increase or decrease the brightness level of my laptop.
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• 2765[18:14:02] <rajivmars> somiaj, the brightness is at its max now and i m unable to decrease it. it hurts my eyes badly. please help me.
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• 2768[18:14:39] <somiaj> Again pay attention to the difference between backlight and brightness.
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• 2771[18:14:57] <somiaj> Usually with laptops it is the backlight you want to control and this can vary between laptops how to control it, along with video card.
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• 2773[18:15:15] <somiaj> But you can get around that and use xrandr to controll the brightness, which will have the same visual affect but is different.
• 2774[18:15:21] <rajivmars> ok the how do i control it.
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• 2776[18:15:31] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 2778[18:16:06] <somiaj> what video card do you have?
• 2779[18:16:17] <rajivmars> amd
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• 2781[18:16:51] <somiaj> which one?
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• 2783[18:17:06] <rajivmars> i will tell u in 1 min.
• 2784[18:17:12] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 2785[18:17:35] <somiaj> anyways, that may give tips on backlight, so first link, use xrandr to control brightness, and second use the kernel to control the backlight.
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• 2787[18:18:21] <Trash-> In relation to filesystems, what is the difference between a "block" and a "cluster"? I am aware that sectors are the unit on the physical harddrive that is addressable, and that sectors live inside clusters. Thanks
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• 2789[18:18:42] <Trash-> Is it just that Linux calls them "blocks" and Windows call them "clusters" ?
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• 2798[18:19:32] <somiaj> fist hit on google: replaced-url
• 2799[18:20:17] <rajivmars> ok
• 2800[18:20:26] <somiaj> Trash-: ^^
• 2801[18:20:37] <rajivmars> oh sorry
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• 2803[18:20:38] <jelly> Trash-: it's more precise to say NTFS calls its file content allocation units "clusters" and ext2fs and other filesystem types call theirs "blocks"
• 2804[18:20:57] <somiaj> seems FAT also calls them clusters.
• 2805[18:21:16] <jelly> both are a property of a specific filesystem type, not really an OS
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• 2807[18:21:49] <somiaj> rajivmars: yea, I wanted to clear that up. Hopefully the links I shared on brightness or backlight will help you out.
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• 2810[18:22:33] <numbdewd> are they not exclusive to and by-default part of a specific OS.. both even..? (NTFS & FAT--Windows) ?
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• 2812[18:23:32] <rajivmars> somiaj, when i had tried xbacklight, the output is "No outputs have backlight property". what it means?
• 2813[18:23:35] <killedbyaserver> xrandr -q <--- will show you what your display is called
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• 2815[18:24:21] <somiaj> rajivmars: not many things are compadable with that anymore, check the links I gave you for more info and other tools.
• 2816[18:24:26] <killedbyaserver> xrandr --output LVDS1 --brightness .5 <-- reduces brightness of LVDS1 display to 50percent
• 2817[18:24:55] <killedbyaserver> replace LVDS1 in previous example with output from 'xrandr -q'
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• 2819[18:24:57] <somiaj> killedbyaserver: which is what my first link said, though I think figuring out the backlight is more useful, espcially in terms of power consumption.
• 2820[18:25:06] <Trash-> jelly: Thanks a lot
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• 2822[18:26:07] <killedbyaserver> sorry, i was dicking around trying to get it to work, so i couldnt keep up with irc. yes, i did get this fix from the ubuntu forum
• 2823[18:26:35] <rajivmars> killedbyaserver, somiaj, please see this replaced-url
• 2824[18:26:44] <somiaj> rajivmars: xbacklight is also misleading, because it is just using RandR extensions, which is what xrandr is doing but better. Many devices can have the backlight controled via acpi
• 2825[18:27:33] <somiaj> hmm, looks like this could be a driver issue, check your xorg.log file and ensure the radeon driver is properly loading for your video card. So figure out exactly what video card you have and what drivers xorg is using.
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• 2835[18:31:30] <sightline> Debian wiki kinda sucks
• 2836[18:31:36] <sightline> Not the content, but the format
• 2837[18:31:43] <rajivmars> somiaj, is installing proprietary driver like microcode help?
• 2838[18:31:48] <sightline> I'd be willing to set up an alternative wiki
• 2839[18:31:59] <sightline> the same one Arch uses
• 2840[18:32:11] <greycat> As I understand it, microcode is basically firmware for your CPU.
• 2841[18:32:17] <somiaj> rajivmars: it might, but I think xrandr would still report better info even with out it. It is almost like you are using vesa and not radeon.
• 2842[18:32:31] <rajivmars> ok
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• 2844[18:32:46] <somiaj> rajivmars: in radeon the micorcode is mostly for 3d preformance, and has little on 2d, so I think there is some other issue, which is why you should check your xorg.log file.
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• 2847[18:33:05] <rajivmars> ok
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• 2849[18:33:48] <somiaj> usally in /var/log/Xorg.0.log, unless you use startx to run xorg.
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• 2855[18:34:26] <greycat> certain DMs can also run X as non-root, which puts the log in ~/.local/share/xorg/ just like startx
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• 2857[18:35:11] <greycat> if /var/log/Xorg.0.log doesn't exist, or isn't dated from today, then look in ~/.local/share/xorg/
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• 2860[18:36:15] <rajivmars> it says no such file or directory.
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• 2862[18:37:03] <somiaj> greycat: how does the dm know which user to put that in? I thought all dms used /var/log
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• 2865[18:37:49] <greycat> replaced-url
• 2866[18:38:43] <greycat> "How", I do not know.
• 2867[18:38:59] <somiaj> wonder if it just defaults to uid 1000 for that, I like the non-privlaged xorg, I was just courious how it worked with a dm since no user has logged in yet.
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• 2871[18:39:27] <greycat> maybe it holds the logs in memory until you log in? just a guess.
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• 2873[18:40:03] <somiaj> didn't think of that, thanks
• 2874[18:40:24] <rajivmars> see this replaced-url
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• 2880[18:42:11] <somiaj> rajivmars: for some reason it isn't properly detecting your radeon card. You could try to install the firmware for the radeon cards and see if that helps, but it is use fbdev driver.
• 2881[18:42:26] <somiaj> rajivmars: are you using frame buffers or have you disabled modesetting some how in your kernel?
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• 2883[18:43:02] <rajivmars> no i had not disabled that.
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• 2885[18:43:19] <rajivmars> which firmware i should use?
• 2886[18:43:20] <somiaj> lsmod | grep radeon (is the radeon kernel module loaded?)
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• 2889[18:43:50] <somiaj> package name is firmware-amd-graphics from non-free, also figure out exactly which radeon card you have. Really new ones won't work with teh radeon driver.
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• 2891[18:44:11] <somiaj> in this case you want to check for the amdgpu driver
• 2892[18:44:31] <rajivmars> how do i check that?
• 2893[18:44:45] <somiaj> lspci should list the card
• 2894[18:44:50] <rajivmars> ok
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• 2897[18:45:50] <rajivmars> check this replaced-url
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• 2900[18:46:07] <reber> hello
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• 2903[18:47:06] <somiaj> rajivmars: [Radeon HD 8670A/8670M/8690M / R5 M330 / M430] -- that should work with the radeon driver, so unsure why it is not being detected.
• 2904[18:47:31] <rajivmars> oh
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• 2906[18:47:42] <rajivmars> then what to do now?
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• 2909[18:48:24] <somiaj> I'm not that familar with radeon cards (espically with the swithc to amdgpu for newer cards). On top of that I have to go, maybe others can help you get the radeon card/driver properly loading
• 2910[18:48:28] <rajivmars> should i install the firmware?
• 2911[18:48:30] <somiaj> but that appears to be your issue and what I would look into.
• 2912[18:48:39] <somiaj> rajivmars: you could try, maybe that card just needs it.
• 2913[18:48:47] <greycat> I would definitely install the firmware.
• 2914[18:48:52] <rajivmars> ok
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• 2916[18:49:13] <rajivmars> what are those firmwares. anybody know?
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• 2918[18:49:36] <somiaj> rajivmars: I gave you the package name: firmware-amd-graphics
• 2919[18:49:45] <somiaj> you may have to enable non-free in your sources.list
• 2920[18:49:54] <rajivmars> ok
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• 2954[19:02:32] <becks`> hi, I'm running voyage linux (based on debian 8.9) and trying to increase the open file limit... I added '* soft nofile 65535' and '* hard nofile 65535' to /etc/security/limits.conf and rebooted, but ulimit -Hn still gives me 4096... what's wrong?
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• 2956[19:03:34] <petn-randall> !voyage
• 2957[19:03:34] <dpkg> Voyage Linux is a distribution <based on Debian> targetted for x86 embedded platforms. Supported via mailing list. replaced-url
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• 2959[19:03:59] <petn-randall> becks`: ^^^ Try asking on their mailing list, or ##linux.
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• 2961[19:04:15] <becks`> petn-randall: will do, thanks
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• 2984[19:12:03] <Qas> hello, I need to install libX11 but get an error "unable to locate.."
• 2985[19:12:17] <greycat> !exact
• 2986[19:12:17] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like replaced-url
• 2987[19:12:29] <x0x0> how can i disbla the LED next to my webcam
• 2988[19:12:34] <x0x0> ?
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• 2990[19:13:00] <RoyK> desolder it?
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• 2992[19:13:25] <altker128> x0x0: Electrical tape is a cheap fix
• 2993[19:13:27] <petn-randall> x0x0: Why would you want that?
• 2994[19:13:29] <Qas> I tried this with dev too, same output: replaced-url
• 2995[19:13:31] <altker128> x0x0: Put some tape on it
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• 2997[19:13:59] <greycat> Qas: you can't just guess at package names.
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• 2999[19:14:37] <Qas> I didnt. it was suggested.
• 3000[19:14:56] <greycat> "suggested" by someone using red hat, eh?
• 3001[19:14:58] <x0x0> petn-randall: for a project on test the cvlc interact with the system
• 3002[19:15:02] <greycat> Qas: Start with xorg-dev
• 3003[19:15:12] <Qas> and then?
• 3004[19:15:25] <greycat> if there's another missing library, track it down with apt-cache search --names-only
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• 3006[19:15:33] <altker128> x0x0: Or open it and desolder LED as someone suggested
• 3007[19:15:37] <altker128> x0x0: Put epoxy over it
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• 3009[19:15:44] <Qas> will this at some point add libx11?
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• 3011[19:15:52] <greycat> Qas: start with xorg-dev
• 3012[19:16:04] <x0x0> petn-randall: is there no command?
• 3013[19:16:43] <petn-randall> x0x0: "shutdown -h now" will do it, but will have unintended side affects.
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• 3015[19:17:06] <x0x0> lol
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• 3021[19:18:26] <x0x0> i mean when i am reading from /dev/video*, don't want the LED to light up, help!!
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• 3023[19:18:40] <altker128> x0x0: This is controlled by hardware and drivers. You're mostly out of luck
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• 3025[19:19:05] <greycat> Your plan to secretly videotape your sister ... foiled.
• 3026[19:19:06] <Qas> solved. thanks
• 3027[19:19:11] <x0x0> altker128: yup i thinking so !!
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• 3031[19:19:35] <x0x0> greycat, lol
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• 3040[19:22:59] <rajivmars> somiaj?
• 3041[19:23:14] <rajivmars> are u here somiaj?
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• 3077[19:34:36] <reber> on debian, i can't manage to run (or compile) this : replaced-url
• 3078[19:34:42] <reber> any help please ?
• 3079[19:34:57] <reber> I can't run the bin neither
• 3080[19:35:11] <reber> any help please ?
• 3081[19:35:21] <petn-randall> !hurry
• 3082[19:35:22] <dpkg> i guess hurry is Please be patient, we're all just fellow users, mostly with other things going on.
• 3083[19:35:25] <petn-randall> reber: ^^^
• 3084[19:35:30] <JPT> What errors do you get? These are usually a good starting point
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• 3086[19:35:42] <petn-randall> !ask
• 3087[19:35:42] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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• 3089[19:36:09] <petn-randall> reber: Also, it's a good idea to show us the steps you're attemping, and what you get. See above.
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• 3105[19:40:54] <reber> petn-randall, !not-hury
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• 3111[19:43:23] <petn-randall> reber: Don't worry, I'm not in a hurry.
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• 3116[19:44:24] <reber> either am i
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• 3118[19:45:02] <reber> JPT, petn-randall replaced-url
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• 3122[19:45:34] <annadane> maybe post to paste.debian.net instead so people don't have to download a .log
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• 3125[19:48:23] <dixie7z> CrossOver 17 for linux..... what do you guys think? Better than Wine? Its only 19$
• 3126[19:48:39] <annadane> well, WINE is free...
• 3127[19:48:47] <annadane> ,v crossover
• 3128[19:48:48] <judd> No package named 'crossover' was found in amd64.
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• 3130[19:49:08] <dixie7z> its on xda-developers forum
• 3131[19:49:17] <annadane> WINE is also in the debian repository, probably just use that
• 3132[19:50:03] <dixie7z> replaced-url
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• 3135[19:50:16] <dixie7z> but there is also a list of applications
• 3136[19:50:20] <dixie7z> so not
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• 3139[19:51:10] <tobiasBora> somiaj: Sorry, I missed your message about usb-copy-flexible yesterday. And yes, I want to create a usb key with lot's of ISOs, included the debian netinstall.
• 3140[19:51:23] <jelly> dixie7z: crossover IS wine, but nicely packaged and with a set of recipes and some nice wineprefix features
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• 3143[19:52:28] <tobiasBora> somiaj: So yes, I tried the syslinux trick, but I'm not sure what is the best way to proceed. I tried to use memdisk to load directly the bootloader of the iso, but unfortunately, memdisk does not work with UEFI (or I didn't find the good way to proceed).
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• 3147[19:52:33] <dixie7z> oh... thats it.. not buying.. thx jelly and others :)
• 3148[19:52:35] <petn-randall> reber: Can you run that again with:
• 3149[19:52:37] <jelly> dixie7z: it's worth the money if you want to get ms office working quickly
• 3150[19:52:38] <petn-randall> !localized errors
• 3151[19:52:38] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
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• 3153[19:53:06] <jelly> or merely want to support wine devs in some way
• 3154[19:53:51] <reber> no not right now, but thanks
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• 3156[19:53:57] <JPT> reber: Looks like compiling fails for some of the makefile targets. Maybe ask around in a project related channel or in a github issue.
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• 3163[19:54:38] <timeless> is rdiff-backup in debian orphaned?
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• 3165[19:55:28] <entr0py> dsf
• 3166[19:55:34] <nobody> how come chromium is so buggy in testing?
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• 3168[19:55:54] <greycat> because it's testing
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• 3171[19:57:09] <annadane> it's testing and also you can file bug reports to help the maintainers
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• 3174[19:57:24] <jelly> ,v rdiff-backup
• 3175[19:57:26] <judd> Package: rdiff-backup on amd64 -- buster: 1.2.8-7; jessie: 1.2.8-7; sid: 1.2.8-7; stretch: 1.2.8-7; wheezy: 1.2.8-7
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• 3178[19:57:56] <jelly> timeless: it's either that or very, very stable? :-)
• 3179[19:58:32] <timeless> replaced-url
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• 3187[19:59:41] <timeless> (perhaps that isn't the canonical version of rdiff-backup?)
• 3188[20:00:02] <timeless> hrm
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• 3190[20:00:11] <timeless> replaced-url
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• 3193[20:00:32] <annacafagna> !list
• 3194[20:00:32] <dpkg> annacafagna: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
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• 3201[20:02:14] <petn-randall> reber: Ok, let us know if you want further help.
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• 3206[20:03:17] * timeless frowns
• 3207[20:03:31] <timeless> so both debian and fedora seem to be packaging 1.2.8 instead of 1.3.3
• 3208[20:03:33] <timeless> (or newer)
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• 3210[20:03:37] * timeless wonders why
• 3211[20:03:52] <petn-randall> ,v rdiff-backup
• 3212[20:03:53] <judd> Package: rdiff-backup on amd64 -- buster: 1.2.8-7; jessie: 1.2.8-7; sid: 1.2.8-7; stretch: 1.2.8-7; wheezy: 1.2.8-7
• 3213[20:04:06] <petn-randall> timeless: Have you already checked the BTS?
• 3214[20:04:08] <RoyK> timeless: just build your own if you need the newest one
• 3215[20:04:13] <RoyK> !sns
• 3216[20:04:13] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 3217[20:04:16] <brick> trying to get libopenjpeg-dev or its equivalent, all i can find is libopenjpeg2 and libopenjpeg5, both runtime libraries. what gives?
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• 3221[20:04:59] <petn-randall> brick: Neither of those are Debian packages. What are you trying to do?
• 3222[20:05:00] <timeless> petn-randall: i hit a bug that was reported a decade ago, and found that github claimed it was fixed
• 3223[20:05:01] <petn-randall> !xy problem
• 3224[20:05:01] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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• 3227[20:06:05] <brick> petn-randall, i'm trying to build poppler, which wants libopenjpeg. i have the runtime stuff installed, but: configure: error: "*** libopenjpeg library not found ***"
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• 3230[20:06:23] <brick> this is usually where a -dev package comes in, iirc
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• 3233[20:07:36] <greycat> brick: can you find the *actual* compiler/linker errors, perhaps in config.log or something?
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• 3235[20:08:19] <brick> i'm looking.
• 3236[20:08:30] <timeless> jessie has a libopenjpeg-dev fwiw
• 3237[20:08:40] <brick> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lopenjpeg
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• 3239[20:08:49] <greycat> then again, a google search for "libopenjpeg" (no other words) points to replaced-url
• 3240[20:09:15] <brick> that seems like it's the -2 and -5 making it miss
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• 3243[20:10:03] * greycat tries "apt-cache search openjpeg" and it coughs up "libopenjp2-7-dev" among other things
• 3244[20:10:26] <greycat> so apparently Debian has it packaged, but the name is obfuscated to make sure you can't possibly guess it easily
• 3245[20:10:35] <timeless> jessie replaced-url
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• 3247[20:11:05] <brick> wow.
• 3248[20:11:19] <timeless> (the naming of those packages is strange)
• 3249[20:11:35] <brick> good eye there greycat, i had not seen that.
• 3250[20:11:41] <greycat> "let's cut off the letters eg for fun"
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• 3252[20:12:14] <timeless> wow
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• 3256[20:12:50] <timeless> interesting, the maintainer is the same for all of them :)
• 3257[20:13:36] <brick> ld still barfs on -lopenjpeg. shouldn't that be /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libopenjpeg.so.2 ?
• 3258[20:14:01] <greycat> use "dpkg -L libopenjp2-7-dev" and see what it actually installed
• 3259[20:14:07] <brick> timeless, that sounds like torture.
• 3260[20:14:22] <greycat> if the soname (the .2 at the end) is different, then they may not be compatible and you may need a newer or older version
• 3261[20:14:24] <brick> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libopenjp2.so
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• 3263[20:14:29] <greycat> oh dear god
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• 3265[20:14:38] <timeless> so, they probably had an api conflict
• 3266[20:14:46] <reber> JPT, yes good idea :)
• 3267[20:14:50] <reber> JPT, thanks
• 3268[20:14:53] <timeless> and dependent packages that they couldn't resolve so they needed a new filename
• 3269[20:15:07] <brick> hmmm, makes sense
• 3270[20:15:17] <timeless> although why they went w/ libopenjp2 instead of libopenjpeg2 is beyond me
• 3271[20:15:31] <timeless> perhaps they wanted to reserve that for the case when upstream decided to make a libopenjpeg2
• 3272[20:15:45] * timeless shrugs
• 3273[20:16:00] <brick> OK, so poppler expects a library called "openjpeg", and so i can make a link to one of the other libraries
• 3274[20:16:03] <timeless> sometimes changelogs/bts's will tell an interesting story, but it probably isn't worth researching
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• 3277[20:16:21] <reber> petn-randall, yes or course
• 3278[20:16:22] <greycat> symlinking libraries with different base names is pretty dodgy
• 3279[20:16:27] <jelly> I'd go way back to "why are you building your own poppler"
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• 3281[20:17:03] <brick> jelly, very funny. the reason is that i want to tune its word-break detection parameters to work better on Cyrillic PDFs.
• 3282[20:17:07] <reber> petn-randall, for instance if you are into debian packages, and if you know how to, please ask for a package for gaming_anywhere, it would be great : replaced-url
• 3283[20:17:27] <brick> greycat, it does seem dodgy.
• 3284[20:17:48] <greycat> what happens if you build the library from source from replaced-url
• 3285[20:17:51] <timeless> brick: if you're building your own, you might as well patch the build system
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• 3287[20:18:02] <jelly> brick: read these: /msg dpkg package rebuild, /msg dpkg deb-src
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• 3290[20:18:22] <brick> greycat, good suggestion.
• 3291[20:18:38] <jelly> brick: and if you want a newer version, /msg dpkg ssb
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• 3294[20:18:59] <brick> timeless, you mean submit a patch to poppler? not bad...
• 3295[20:19:10] <brick> thanks for the references jelly, reading up
• 3296[20:19:19] <timeless> brick: depends on whether or not you want to be able to build it again later
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• 3299[20:19:38] <timeless> when i last played w/ build systems, they were moving to package-config (.pc) files, i'm not sure if those are still in style
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• 3301[20:19:59] <timeless> *pkg-config
• 3302[20:20:36] <timeless> replaced-url
• 3303[20:21:07] <timeless> in theory w/ pkg-config, if someone happens to use it, and your files have slightly odd names, you can just write a new pkg-config file and dump it into the pkg-config search path and rebuild -- *magic*
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• 3310[20:21:56] <jelly> or just rebuild a package starting from deb-src and mostly avoid worrying about what upstream thinks is good building practice
• 3311[20:22:00] <timeless> (obviously, things depend on whether you're trying to build a program for a single computer, or to be distributed)
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• 3314[20:22:19] <jelly> ,v poppler-utils
• 3315[20:22:20] <judd> Package: poppler-utils on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.18.4-6; wheezy-security: 0.18.4-6+deb7u4; wheezy-backports: 0.26.5-2+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.26.5-2+deb8u1; jessie-security: 0.26.5-2+deb8u1; stretch: 0.48.0-2; buster: 0.61.1-2; sid: 0.61.1-2
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• 3321[20:22:55] <jelly> wow, no security fixes in stretch yet
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• 3324[20:25:46] <brick> should i be building poppler out of deb-src and patching that, instead of working with their git repo?
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• 3326[20:26:47] <brick> timeless, it does actually have .pc files. i tried running pkg-config poppler but it says nothing.
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• 3328[20:27:09] <brick> clearly, that's not how it works.
• 3329[20:27:15] <timeless> brick: the pkg-config file you'd tinker with is the one for libjpeg not poppler
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• 3331[20:27:27] <timeless> the idea is that you're building poppler, and it wants to know how to use libjpeg
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• 3334[20:27:47] <brick> no such beast, can i add it?
• 3335[20:27:56] <timeless> depends, you'd have to check the build system
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• 3339[20:28:09] <brick> they look pretty straightforward, the .pc files
• 3340[20:28:20] <timeless> if they provide a pkg-config file, there's a better chance of them trying to consume them than if they don't provide them
• 3341[20:28:28] <timeless> (yes, they're very straightforward)
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• 3344[20:28:34] <brick> there are half a dozen, just not for libopenjpeg
• 3345[20:28:38] <timeless> but do consider the advice of using dpkg / deb-src instead
• 3346[20:28:48] <brick> if it works, i'll take it
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• 3349[20:29:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1705
• 3350[20:29:05] <timeless> both skills are worth having
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• 3359[20:30:57] <nobody> why is chromium so buggy in deb testing?
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• 3362[20:31:16] <phogg> nobody: your question presumes that it is
• 3363[20:31:47] <brick> timeless, i know i have to add an apt source to get the code, what's next?
• 3364[20:31:53] <phogg> nobody: It's a simple equation: What version of chromium is available? Is the problem you have with it merely that it's *that* version and not some other version?
• 3365[20:32:04] <hassoon> 'evening
• 3366[20:32:07] <timeless> brick: i think the bot is supposed to walk you through the instructions
• 3367[20:32:16] <phogg> nobody: if that version of chromium normally is OK for you but the one in Debian is not, report a bug against the package
• 3368[20:32:20] <timeless> but roughly if you cast the right spells it will give you a source directory and apply the debian patches
• 3369[20:32:22] <jelly> nobody: didn't you ask that half an hour ago
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• 3371[20:32:44] <timeless> you can then actually look at debian/rules for how to build
• 3372[20:32:58] <brick> i appreciate the advice, folks
• 3373[20:32:58] <timeless> (something like this, i haven't played w/ debian packages in 6+ years)
• 3374[20:33:13] <nobody> phogg: I'm using Chromium 62.0.3202.89 built on Debian buster/sid
• 3375[20:33:36] <nobody> I just got it from the apt package manager
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• 3377[20:33:58] <greycat> What bug are you experiencing? Did you report it?
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• 3379[20:34:16] <nobody> they seem to be dll related. I filed a report yesterday
• 3380[20:34:20] <jelly> nobody: testing is meant to be somewhat buggy, so people using it find and help fixing all the bugs so the next release is not that buggy for normal users
• 3381[20:34:43] <nobody> I'm aware jelly, I just didn't expect chromium to be so buggy
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• 3383[20:35:14] <jelly> you can expect anything to be buggy at some point on testing
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• 3385[20:35:21] <jelly> this is _normal_
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• 3388[20:35:49] <nobody> I guess I'll switch to firefox :p
• 3389[20:36:12] <greycat> Why not use stable?
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• 3391[20:36:26] <rakor> Hey there. My wifi and my ethernet have both an IP (different ones). Is it possible to make both devices a "failover-configuration"? Meaning they have the same IP and if I switch from one to the other my programs stay connected?
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• 3393[20:36:35] <jelly> nobody: avoid testing if you're not prepared for breakage -- have two computers if possible, or alternative software like firefox yeah
• 3394[20:36:59] <jelly> if you decide you really want testing after all,
• 3395[20:37:03] <jelly> !debian-next
• 3396[20:37:03] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
• 3397[20:37:20] <nobody> greycat: I'd rather use testing, I switched from stable to testing and although some packages are buggy, I don't mind
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• 3399[20:37:45] <greycat> !sns
• 3400[20:37:45] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
• 3401[20:37:46] <nobody> ah it's on oftc?
• 3402[20:37:50] <jelly> yeah
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• 3411[20:38:49] <nobody> aren't backports actually even buggier than testing, greycat?
• 3412[20:38:55] <greycat> no
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• 3416[20:40:44] <jelly> rakor: it should be in theory but I've never seen it done on linux
• 3417[20:41:16] <tobiasBora> I've a question, in this tutorial, I can read at the end that I just need to put a line "default vmlinuz initrd=initrd.gz" in my syslinux.cf file. However, I can it choose which iso to boot? src: "replaced-url
• 3418[20:41:19] <rakor> jelly: ok, I know it from bsd. There I always used it this way (it's really nice)
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• 3421[20:42:35] <phogg> nobody: (less buggy) stable > testing > unstable > experimental (more buggy). Backports are essentially part of stable.
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• 3425[20:43:36] <brick> interestingly, acquiring the poppler source code with aptitude refers the user to the git repo.
• 3426[20:43:50] <nobody> since I only switched to testing a few days ago and I'm not experiencing major issues I'll just stay with testing.
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• 3428[20:44:49] <nobody> it's just that the bug I was experiencing with chromium seemed like an issue for sid/experimental, so I was surprised
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• 3431[20:45:58] <YourFriend> it might be. combining sid with chormium testing could give you some bugs that the devs don't know about yet
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• 3434[20:47:56] <YourFriend> they probably don't put much effort into supporting sid, so your report might be the only one they get
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• 3454[20:53:27] <YourFriend> you're quite brave to run testing chromium and sid. do you jump on lots of betas?
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• 3461[20:55:42] <nobody> YourFriend: I started recently, I switched from stable to testing a few days ago
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• 3464[20:57:28] <nobody> if stuff breaks I'll try to fix it, I don't have much to do nowadays so I can keep occupied
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• 3468[20:58:09] <tobiasBora> Is anyone aware of an option to specify to the netinst installer of debian a link to the CD-ROM iso, it would be pretty useful to avoid to manually extract the iso and mount the files...
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• 3470[20:59:18] <jhutchin1_wk> nobody: Be aware that security patchs probably won't be made as quickly in testing.
• 3471[21:00:10] <nobody> jhutchin1_wk: yeah I'm aware, that's a bit worrysome i guess
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• 3480[21:03:21] <YourFriend> nobody: everyone on stable appreciates you guys who find these bugs, asks those stackoverflow questions we'll find later and generally keeps our ride smooth
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• 3489[21:05:56] <nobody> thx YourFriend, that's nice to hear :)
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• 3529[21:22:27] <hassoon> ffs iceweasel is so slow ;@
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• 3537[21:24:56] <mutante> so the "npm" package didn't make it into stretch from jessie? but there is still nodejs? anything that replaces the npm package?
• 3538[21:25:32] <jhutchins_wk> hassoon: Compared to what?
• 3539[21:26:00] <hassoon> jhutchins_wk: it's slow at whole, whithout comparison
• 3540[21:26:34] <hassoon> ls
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• 3542[21:27:13] <greycat> it's slow compared to his pet orangutan who reads the raw HTML and draws the page with a crayon
• 3543[21:27:25] <hassoon> what ?
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• 3546[21:27:53] <notadrop> Hi, I'm having a problem with check-selinux-installation: replaced-url
• 3547[21:28:03] <mutante> hassoon: seems much faster to me
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• 3549[21:28:27] <hassoon> this is freaking crazy maybe the compact theme is slowing it down ?
• 3550[21:29:15] <jhutchins_wk> hassoon: Maybe the interwebs are slow.
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• 3552[21:29:43] <jhutchins_wk> hassoon: Without a comparison, there's no real meaning to "slow".
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• 3554[21:29:56] <hassoon> jhutchins_wk: nah it's slow
• 3555[21:30:12] <hassoon> i know what's slow and what's not
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• 3557[21:30:35] <greycat> is chrome (or -ium) faster on the same page on the same computer?
• 3558[21:30:51] <greycat> is upstream "Firefox Quantum" faster on the same page on the same computer?
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• 3561[21:31:05] <hassoon> greycat: meh chromium is ultimately faster than iceweasel of course
• 3562[21:31:17] <hassoon> greycat: ah nah i don't have quantum in jessie
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