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19 [00:08:31] <Redwulf> hello
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23 [00:09:01] <Redwulf> does anyone here know why theres a blinking cursor on the left top of my screen on my debian device??
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36 [00:25:49] <simulant_> Hi can anyone please help me - someone has been helping me in ##linux as I can't boot my system. Stuck with ALERT uuid does not exist and i've booted into the debian liveusb, I'm running a raid1 and can assemble md0 no problem which is the root partition. The UUID shows up and looks to match the ALERT so I'm really stuck what to do
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39 [00:26:31] <simulant_> the user in ##linux suggested someone here could help and guide me to possible try chroot in and regenerate the initramfs
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41 [00:26:44] <simulant_> any help really appreciated
42 [00:26:56] <annadane> simulant_, you're running debian, i assume
43 [00:27:06] <annadane> 9?
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47 [00:29:38] <simulant_> annadane: yes that's right sorry
48 [00:30:01] <simulant_> annadane: Jessie
49 [00:30:19] <simulant_> anantshri: with Raid1 for a server, it was working great. Must of done some updates maybe and on the last reboot I just now get that error/stuck at initramfs
50 [00:30:34] <annadane> okay so jessie as the base and currently on a live image
51 [00:31:19] <simulant_> annadane: yes Debian 8.9 I think - yes I just booted the original usb installer I used, it's brought me to a # prompt with limited commands but does have mdadm and blkid and things
52 [00:31:41] <simulant_> annadane: little out of my depth here sorry!
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54 [00:32:15] <simulant_> annadane: just hoped someone could hopefully help me to get the system to boot again and fix why it isn't recognising the disk/raid/partition
55 [00:33:37] <simulant_> annadane: I've also tried booting an ubuntu live desktop and from there I could assemble the md0 and open files and such and smart status on the drives was healthy and fsck clean too
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76 [00:50:13] <simulant_> hi can anyone please help me chroot from liveusb to do initramfs update?
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81 [00:55:17] <petn-randall> !chroot
82 [00:55:17] <dpkg> To chroot into your Debian system boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2). Mount your root filesystem with "mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target" and make /dev, /proc and /sys usable with "mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys". You can then chroot into the system with "chroot /target".
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84 [00:55:19] <petn-randall> simulant_: ^^^
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88 [00:56:15] <simulant_> petn-randall: ah thanks!
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92 [00:57:48] <annadane> i guess "ext2" is a placeholder for whatever the filesystem actually is
93 [00:57:51] <simulant_> petn-randall: do i still do mount -t ext2 if using raid. I think it is ext4. can i just put mount by itself?
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96 [00:58:01] <annadane> or no, that's not accurate
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99 [00:58:13] <petn-randall> simulant_: Yeah, adjust it accordingly
100 [00:58:16] <simulant_> annadane: ah that's just what I wanted to ask, I'm not sure what I have
101 [00:58:26] <petn-randall> simulant_: Since you have a RAID, you need to assemble that before mounting it.
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106 [00:59:08] <simulant_> petn-randall: i've asembled it ok just with mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
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108 [01:00:21] <simulant_> petn-randall: if i just do "mount /dev/mdo /mnt/md0" will that be enough or do I have to put the -t and ext2 for it to work properly?
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111 [01:01:40] <squarecircle> ohai
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114 [01:02:44] <hexnewbie> So new Debian point releases are out. How can one tell if qemu/kvm networking works in Stretch now (bug 867978)?
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120 [01:04:16] <annadane> bug #867978
121 [01:04:17] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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127 [01:04:51] <annadane> well i guess first of all it depends on whether qemu is in the list of bug fixes for 9.3
128 [01:05:15] <annadane> appears not
129 [01:05:23] <hexnewbie> The news item only lists security
130 [01:05:33] <hexnewbie> I mean security where qemu is concerned
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132 [01:05:48] <annadane> right
133 [01:05:54] <annadane> i'm looking at "bug fixes" and it's not there
134 [01:06:19] <hexnewbie> OK, so that's what I need to be looking at. Thanks.
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136 [01:06:40] <rodddd> netinst download link seems broken on debian.org
137 [01:06:49] <rodddd> replaced-url
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139 [01:08:24] <annadane> rodddd, i see the same. i'll report it
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141 [01:08:48] <hexnewbie> Don't links always tend to be missing or broken for a little while after new packages or releases come out? (That is why I asked my question, as I'm not sure if the changelogs I'm seeing are up-to-date.)
142 [01:08:54] <annadane> though it was just released today, maybe give it some time
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145 [01:09:11] <rodddd> annadane wasn't aware it was released today, thanks!
146 [01:09:17] <annadane> i imagine that sort of thing will be fixed quickly
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154 [01:13:51] <annadane> rodddd, actually, for the net install it really shouldn't matter
155 [01:14:03] <annadane> as long as you use 9.x you'll automatically get the latest packages regardless
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157 [01:14:22] <annadane> my usb still is on 9.1
158 [01:14:40] <rodddd> annadane oh ok then, I'll get 9.2 in that case, tyvm
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164 [01:18:35] <annadane> rodddd, though i guess it depends on the mirror, whether the one you use during the install will have all the up to date stuff
165 [01:18:45] <simulant_> Ok I did that chroot and initramfs update -a but now when I reboot it says I have duplicate entries in the conf file!
166 [01:18:56] <annadane> you can increase your chances by using a primary mirror, or just wait a few hours, or do an apt upgrade after instal
167 [01:18:59] <annadane> install*
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169 [01:19:33] <annadane> apt list --upgradable will show you after the installation
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180 [01:29:28] <Dan39> greetings \o
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182 [01:29:54] <mirak> hello
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184 [01:30:09] <bazhang> hi
185 [01:30:10] <petn-randall> simulant_: It should be enough, but you can also explicitely add it.
186 [01:30:25] <Dan39> doing an upgrade from 8 to 9, just finished upgrade from 7 to 8 which went well with no errors and rebooted fine.
187 [01:30:40] <mirak> does anyone know where is stored $DEVICE from the "grub-install $DEVICE" that is automatically ran after kernel upgrades ?
188 [01:30:52] <Dan39> for the 8 to 9 upgrade im getting a few messages that look like dpkg: libopenmpi1.6: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
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191 [01:31:04] <Dan39> is this something to worry about?
192 [01:31:29] <petn-randall> !bat
193 [01:31:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
194 [01:31:40] <petn-randall> Dan39: Can you provide all of the above in a single paste?
195 [01:32:09] <xuxx> debian has a nice community
196 [01:32:15] <Dan39> petn-randall: sure, but just on a hunch any idea about the error? when the dist-upgrade is finished i can provide the script files too
197 [01:32:24] <Dan39> well, not error, warning :p
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203 [01:34:55] <rodddd> annadane thanks for the help. Signing off to wipe out Windows and install Debian...
204 [01:35:25] <simulant_> petn-randall: replaced-url
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206 [01:35:45] <simulant_> if anyone can please help me, I've had to take the photo above as I can't paste it!
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209 [01:37:45] <themill> Dan39: apt sometimes forces dpkg to do things that it is unhappy about. If it's a problem, apt will complain at the end of the run
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211 [01:38:25] <Dan39> wooow this is 2017 man, cant be doing that stuff!
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215 [01:42:08] <simulant_> sorry wrong photo haha ooops, here is the correct one of where it gets stuck on boot if anyone can please help: replaced-url
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222 [01:44:06] <Dan39> well it finished successfuly i think
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224 [01:45:18] <numbdewd> are the rbldnsd & similar packages of any use still, (more so for older versions possibly? like wheezy with libapache2 modules for it . .), or more historical records - and persistent blocking,still, though according to the site as listed in rbldnsd's config-file (at least on Wheezy), the project is obsolete and closed down around a decade ago.. guessing has some use, but anything else than possi
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228 [01:45:52] <numbdewd> ..possibly old, outdated records (nearly 10y old), as it seems..? (Im guessing those anti-spam listings may be somewhat inaccurate by now)
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233 [01:47:11] <numbdewd> any custom replacements to put the package into use wiht similar functioning, or which could easily be done as such..or something,any1 got some quick guesstimate what this package may remain in repo for .. ?
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248 [01:54:35] <xuxx> gtk-warning-theme-directory-of-theme-maiya-has-no-size-field-solved vous avez deja vue cette erreur ?
249 [01:54:49] <xuxx> gtk-warning-theme-directory-of-theme-maiya-has-no-size-field-solved did you ever saw this error ?
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251 [01:56:49] <annadane> xuxx,
252 [01:56:51] <annadane> !context
253 [01:56:51] <dpkg> Try to give enough context! For example, let us know which command/program you are running, what you expected, and what you got instead. Try to be as specific as possible. If your command produced output, share the complete command (with all parameters!) and its output on replaced-url
254 [01:56:57] <mirak> does anyone know where is stored $DEVICE from the "grub-install $DEVICE" that is automatically ran after kernel upgrades ?
255 [01:57:02] <somiaj> xuxx: is this a custom theme you have installed or one provided by debian?
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257 [01:57:28] <Dan39> petn-randall: will have to do a few pasted to keep this organized, and sorry cant use paste.debian.net because it complained about the paste being too long. here is the upgrade output: replaced-url
258 [01:57:34] <xuxx> somiaj, it's a theme already install on the distro
259 [01:57:53] <petn-randall> simulant_: Sounds like you have the raid twice in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
260 [01:58:49] <inSync> mirak: kernel upgrades run update-grub
261 [01:58:55] <mentor> mirak: In debconf?
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263 [01:59:24] <mirak> mentor, this value seems to be set with debconf at install time, or reconfiguration of grub package
264 [01:59:58] <mirak> inSync, update-grub doesn't run grub-install
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266 [02:00:21] <inSync> mirak: correct, hence my point
267 [02:00:41] <somiaj> xuxx: what version of debian?
268 [02:00:53] <mirak> inSync, ok sorry, then it's run after grub package upgrades
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271 [02:01:37] <petn-randall> Dan39: Looks completely fine to me
272 [02:01:44] <mirak> but it doesn't ask each time where you want to install grub, so it must be stored somewhere
273 [02:01:49] <somiaj> because i'm finding no theme called 'maiya' in debian.
274 [02:02:13] <somiaj> mirak: a grep of DEVICE in /etc gives this variable in various /etc/grub.d scripts.
275 [02:02:19] <mentor> mirak: In debconf?
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277 [02:02:25] <Dan39> oky doky, time to reboot and see how the upgrade went then
278 [02:02:35] <Dan39> finishing up some cleanup according to the debian guide first of course
279 [02:02:37] <somiaj> mirak: but I don't see where it is stored/set
280 [02:02:59] <Dan39> lot more autoremove packages with this upgrade than the 7 to 8 upgrade
281 [02:03:33] <Dan39> lot of libboost stuff and a few python packages looks like newer versions are provided now. going to go ahead with it
282 [02:03:39] <xuxx> somiaj, I use parrot, and this distro is based on debian
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284 [02:03:52] <somiaj> well I foud it set in /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober: DEVICE="`echo ${OS} | cut -d ':' -f 1`"
285 [02:04:17] <somiaj> xuxx: parrot is not debian, please use there support. This is a bug in their theme and package.
286 [02:04:20] <somiaj> !parrot
287 [02:04:20] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
288 [02:04:49] <mentor> That's for other grubs
289 [02:05:02] <mentor> It's in the grub.d support script
290 [02:05:11] <somiaj> mentor: that that is probably a different DEVICE variable that the one that is being used.
291 [02:05:17] <Dan39> nice, kernel 4.9, now thats what im talkin about :D
292 [02:05:34] <somiaj> it is the only one I found setting it when grepping /etc for DEVICE though, so maybe it is stored elsewhere.
293 [02:05:49] <mentor> grub-mkconfig_lib
294 [02:06:12] <mentor> /usr/lib/grub/grub-mkconfig_lib
295 [02:06:35] <Dan39> why is grub.cfg a-w now adays...? just for safety?
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301 [02:07:20] <simulant_> petn-randall: ah fixed that, and also now can boot by doing this: replaced-url
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303 [02:07:46] <simulant_> petn-randall: the problem now I have is how do I make it permanent, as I have to do the steps in that link each time I boot!!
304 [02:08:11] <Dan39> well, it booted fine
305 [02:08:25] <Dan39> Debian GNU/Linux 9.3
306 [02:08:32] <Dan39> successful debian 7 to 9
307 [02:08:40] <Dan39> well, 7 to 8 to 9
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309 [02:09:20] <mirak> i reboot
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312 [02:09:38] <Dan39> runs perfect. thanks petn-randall and themill. peace!
313 [02:09:43] <somiaj> Dan39: congrats!!
314 [02:09:49] <somiaj> !next
315 [02:09:49] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
316 [02:09:52] <Dan39> tomorrow ill do the next server, same thing... 7 to 8 to 9
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318 [02:10:09] <Dan39> anyone have luck doing 7 straight to 9? :P
319 [02:10:14] <somiaj> Dan39: jsut be sure to backup, just because it was very smooth on one system, that is not always the case (though we would like it to be)
320 [02:10:24] <Dan39> not that worried about it tbh
321 [02:10:32] <Dan39> if it breaks my data is still there...
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323 [02:10:41] <somiaj> Dan39: you do not want to do that. Scripts are designed to upgrade from the previous version only. So in terms of transitions, modifications, you have to upgrade through each release.
324 [02:10:41] <Dan39> just cuz it doesnt boot doesnt mean its gonna erase my data, eh?
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327 [02:11:24] <somiaj> Dan39: it shouldn't, but better to be safe if you value your data. It usually works jsut fine, sometimes it needs some massagaing, but there is a rare case of configurations that could cause more damage.
328 [02:11:44] <Dan39> right. always be safe
329 [02:11:46] <Dan39> ttyl
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335 [02:13:37] <petn-randall> simulant_: You only have to do this once.
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352 [02:18:05] <simulant_> petn-randall: but I did it and tried rebooting and it did the same again...
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361 [02:24:47] <petn-randall> simulant_: Then your problem is a different one.
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365 [02:28:15] <simulant_> petn-randall: ok thanks. going to bed so will check back tmrw. thanks for your time
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413 [03:03:14] <darksec> so whats up with this sms spoofing issue on kali-linux?
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422 [03:06:39] <annadane> darksec, kali is not debian
423 [03:06:42] <annadane> ask the kali people
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432 [03:10:17] <darksec> Kali linux is debian-derived.
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435 [03:10:41] <xormor> annadane, those kinds of people resemble the people who wrote into rec.games.roguelike.nethack Usenet News Group in the 1990's to ask "how to hack the net?"
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437 [03:11:15] <annadane> !based on debian
438 [03:11:16] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
439 [03:11:19] <annadane> darksec, ^^^^^^^^^
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441 [03:11:25] <annadane> !kali
442 [03:11:25] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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444 [03:12:15] <xormor> darksec, perhaps you should ask Google Group's "nethack" related groups (do not! :-D) "nethack" is a computer game, not about hacking the net. the original game was "Hack" and it was developed further on the Net, so it became NetHack.
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453 [03:15:46] <darksec> then why is kalis 2.0 kernel version 4.0 based on debian jessie, if what your saying is in fact correct, then whats been lost in translation?
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458 [03:19:31] <petn-randall> darksec: We're not here to answer Kali questions. You've been told to ask in #kali-linux for that.
459 [03:20:02] <petn-randall> ,kernels
460 [03:20:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
461 [03:20:05] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
462 [03:20:57] <petn-randall> Also, jessie shipped with kernel 3.16, so your statement doesn't make much sense.
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472 [03:27:59] <darksec> well it pretty much does ive been using kali long enough to know that its kernel 4.0 which is based on debian jessie also Kali Linux Rolling version(latest) is based on unstable branch of Debian.
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474 [03:28:44] <annadane> ok but your question still has nothing to do with debian
475 [03:28:51] <annadane> why not ask people who know about kali
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480 [03:33:22] <darksec> i know the question is irrelevant to debian but somebody tried to fabricate an irrelevant point, i just wanted to know why the sms service has been down for a while, ive already been in touch with offensive security and they might be leading specialists, but their customer services is shit.
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484 [03:35:36] <xormor> darksec, replaced-url
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496 [03:40:04] * mnuhmnuh if you want to "hack" (as in "cracker"), learn/use tails. at least you'll have a chance to fend off the *real monsters* out there if you do. NSA/US gov./etc. may still own you if they want, but you'll have a chance against others, maybe. Russia, no.
497 [03:41:05] <mnuhmnuh> sorry, thought this was -offtopic.
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501 [03:45:06] <|subz3r0|> ./brain.sh on
502 [03:45:31] <mnuhmnuh> brain: not found.
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510 [03:48:13] <|subz3r0|> mnuhmnuh: <3
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522 [03:55:01] <jair> hello there, have anyone experience this strange hang on rebooting due to "stopped target network is online"
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525 [03:55:36] <consolers> apt-cache search fails because some sources.list file is not readable
526 [03:55:44] <jair> when I reboot my system, it hangs for over two to three minutes there, then after passing that message everything boots nicely
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528 [03:56:00] <consolers> is there any way to change the location of the list of sources so a non-root user can see it
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531 [03:56:19] <consolers> new apt introduces a hard dependency on gnutls
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534 [03:56:44] <consolers> should it not be possible to use apt without tls
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536 [03:57:08] <consolers> all those hardcoded nonsense make the design of the tool malicious
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538 [03:58:00] <consolers> --> [server] 470 #debian-devel #debian :Forwarding to another channel sigh
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582 [04:22:51] <JeffFromOH> Hello. I want to get started with LAMP + WordPress on Debian Server. I installed the "WordPress" package in synaptic, which installed the rest of the stack (Apache, MariaDB, PHP). Is there a good webpage or document somewhere (maybe installed alongside the packages on my debian server), now that I've installed those packages, that covers how those packages are initially configured, (e.g. default MariaDB root login, etc), so
583 [04:22:51] <JeffFromOH> that I can begin to secure the services?
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585 [04:24:48] <JeffFromOH> Err, think I might have just found a good third-party guide: replaced-url
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587 [04:26:25] <avis-> what are debian linux servers that require no configuration ?
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599 [04:36:43] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: sometimes docs in /usr/share/doc/packagename/ will give you info, so check out /usr/share/doc/wordpress
600 [04:37:06] <somiaj> avis-: what do you mean? You want to get a pre configured server?
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606 [04:39:34] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: thanks. I am aware of those directories, and I do check, but often, it seems the only thing in there is a changelog lol
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610 [04:40:35] <somiaj> sometimes they give info about tips/things to do after the install
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612 [04:42:31] <JeffFromOH> Well, at least for Apache, there's a nice Debian overview of the default Debian setup just by opening firefox and going to "localhost" :-D
613 [04:42:41] <JeffFromOH> Just found that out
614 [04:42:57] <JeffFromOH> Figured I'd see what Apache served up if I just hit it with a browser
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616 [04:44:15] <JeffFromOH> Is MariaDB, I hope, when you first install the package, configured by default to only allow connections from localhost?
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618 [04:44:29] <JeffFromOH> That would be a sane default config, seems to me
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637 [04:56:28] <JeffFromOH> I've just been doing some reading about firewall management on Debian, and it appears that you have quite a bit of choice in frontends to manage the kernel firewall rules (which, I'm a little confused - does modern Debian (in this case stretch) use iptables or netfilter in the kernel?
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660 [05:23:43] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: netfilter and iptables and interconnected, iptables is the front end that congiures it.
661 [05:23:50] <Arahael> I've got an incredibly minimal debian setup, how do I install most of the basic packages, including bash?
662 [05:24:00] <Arahael> Isn't there a meta package for this?
663 [05:24:19] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: in many cases you may not need a firewall, if you control what services are running and listening on the network. Kinda depends on your setup and needs. What are you needing a firewall for?
664 [05:24:40] <somiaj> Arahael: bash should be installed by default. How did you create this debian install?
665 [05:24:54] <somiaj> yea bash is a required package, if it is not installed you have something messed up
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667 [05:25:32] <Arahael> somiaj: It's a minimal docker iamge. :)
668 [05:25:35] <Arahael> *image
669 [05:25:54] <somiaj> well there is this.
670 [05:25:55] <somiaj> !standard
671 [05:25:55] <dpkg> i heard standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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673 [05:26:23] <Arahael> somiaj: Just to clarify, that's also installed using 'apt install "standard^'?
674 [05:26:42] <somiaj> docker must do lots of stuff with scripts, would suprise me if dash was the only
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677 [05:27:20] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: well, I guess I'm just very paranoid, and want to make sure certain ports being used by some services installed on the server either can only be accessed locally on the same machine (that is, block any incoming packets from the network) - for example, MariaDB - connections to MariaDB should only ever be made locally on this server.
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679 [05:27:31] <JeffFromOH> Now, yes, you should be able to enforce that through MariaDB config
680 [05:27:40] <JeffFromOH> But I'm sort of a belts and suspenders sort of guy
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682 [05:28:02] <Arahael> JeffFromOH: I th ink you might be able to sort that out using Selinux, too.
683 [05:28:07] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: and I think by default it is configured to only listen on localhost. You can use netstat to see what is listening and configure the database to only listen on local host
684 [05:28:16] <JeffFromOH> Just in case somehow the MariaDB config gets either messed up (or hacked), I want the firewall to also enforce that policy
685 [05:28:32] <somiaj> if someone can hack your database config, they can hack your firewall.
686 [05:28:44] <Arahael> selinux should help.
687 [05:29:05] <somiaj> iptables I think is the standard front end people use. There are gui ones too, but I have just used iptables in the past.
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689 [05:29:40] <somiaj> though really a firewall is best done on a nother machine, like a gateway, load balancer, not on the machine itself.
690 [05:29:40] <Arahael> Try to stay away from upw. Many of those "simplified" firewalls do *wierd things*.
691 [05:30:00] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Well, maybe they only get access to the user account that mariadb runs as, and so they can change mariadb, but not stuff that requires root (like firewall config)?
692 [05:30:10] <somiaj> Arahael: I'm unsure, if it were me, I would use the command the bot said, or install the standard task with tasksel
693 [05:30:20] <Arahael> somiaj: Hmm.
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695 [05:30:28] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Agreed. But, again, belts and suspenders lol
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697 [05:30:40] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: since that user is not a login user, highly unlikely, but sure, you can do what lots of places do and put a firewall up if it makes you feel better.
698 [05:30:57] <somiaj> debian just dosen't include one by default like other oses.
699 [05:30:59] <JeffFromOH> Arahael: upw? Do you mean ufw?
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701 [05:31:20] <somiaj> Arahael: but yea you may not have aptitude, I'm trying to find the name of the task package.
702 [05:31:49] <Arahael> JeffFromOH: Ah, yep.
703 [05:32:09] <Arahael> somiaj: Indeed I don't. Just looking for tasksel itself, but it doen't document it's commands well.
704 [05:32:11] <somiaj> Arahael: no, I'm not seeing a meta package for the standard task.
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706 [05:32:35] <Arahael> somiaj: Eg, it describes itself as a user interface.
707 [05:32:37] <somiaj> Arahael: if tasksel is installed tasksel install standard or something like I think is sufficent.
708 [05:32:45] <Arahael> somiaj: Does it ask for confirmation?
709 [05:33:17] <somiaj> Arahael: it shouldn't, tasksel --list-tasks should list all availabe tasks
710 [05:33:28] <Arahael> Ah, nice. I was thinking of the curses-based tasksel.
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712 [05:33:52] <somiaj> Arahael: same program, but you don't have to use the curses gui to have it do things.
713 [05:34:18] <somiaj> yea, tasksel install task should work
714 [05:34:23] <Arahael> Awesome.
715 [05:34:36] <JeffFromOH> I don't think I would describe anything using curses as a 'gui' lol
716 [05:34:37] <Arahael> apt install tasksel; tasksel install standard. :)
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718 [05:34:44] <somiaj> though to me it is strange you have tasksel but not aptitude, seems aptitude doesn't have the love anymore
719 [05:34:52] <JeffFromOH> more like a 'fstui' - full screen text interface hehe
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721 [05:35:23] <JeffFromOH> err, full screen text user interface
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723 [05:36:04] <Arahael> Hmm, tasksel isn't there.
724 [05:36:08] * Arahael checks to see if this is really debian.
725 [05:36:22] <GTAXL> ipset v6.30: Syntax error: typename 'iphash:ip' is unknown
726 [05:36:27] <GTAXL> ipset create nmap iphash:ip timeout 3600
727 [05:36:29] <somiaj> maybe the image didn't set up the sources correctly. apt-cache policy
728 [05:36:54] <GTAXL> anyone know the right format?
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731 [05:38:22] <Arahael> somiaj: replaced-url
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736 [05:40:23] <somiaj> Arahael: and the output of apt policy tasksel
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739 [05:42:13] <Arahael> somiaj: Added to the end of that gist: replaced-url
740 [05:42:52] <Arahael> (Hmm, looks like gist maintains the same url for newer revisions: Neat. Anyway)
741 [05:43:21] <somiaj> Arahael: it is there, I'm unsure why 'apt install tasksel' failed, the package caindiate is version 3.39, and is available.
742 [05:43:25] <somiaj> what error do you get?
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746 [05:44:09] <Natalie> Hi. I
747 [05:44:42] <Arahael> somiaj: Looks like a fairly stupid error on my part, I literally tried "apt install tasksel; tasksel install standard". I forgot that ';' runs two progarms in parallel.
748 [05:44:56] <Natalie> Hi. I've installed Debian 9 on my Dell Latitude, and I've found the touchpad way to sensitive. Apparently it's using the ALPS driver. What can I do to fix this?
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750 [05:45:05] <Tramp> GTAXL: hash:ip - as the manpage says
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752 [05:45:21] <Arahael> somiaj: And the first command failed because I didn't provide '-y' to it.
753 [05:45:40] <GTAXL> ah, thanks. idk why I got iphash
754 [05:46:13] <somiaj> Natalie: xinput and xset can be used to change mouse senstivity.
755 [05:46:14] <Arahael> tasksel is now giving lots of warnings: Failed to initialise dialog. Falling to Readline. Failed ot initialise Readline, falling to Teletype. Seems to be doing 'something' now (or else it's hung)
756 [05:46:25] <Arahael> Seems to be hung, really. :/
757 [05:47:40] * Arahael tries an interactive prompt.
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759 [05:48:52] <somiaj> Arahael: maybe install aptitude instead of tasksel. (:
760 [05:48:54] <jelly> Arahael: if you had run tasksel in test mode (-t) it would have shown the apt command it was going to run; that apt command includes a -q switch
761 [05:50:26] <jelly> Arahael: where did you get this minimal docker image from?
762 [05:50:31] <JeffFromOH> Well, I do have a firewall on my linksys router protecting my network as a whole, So, I suppose I'm alright
763 [05:51:10] <JeffFromOH> It defaults to blocking all inbound connections unless I open a port to a particular IPv6 address (or forward a port to an IPv4 private address)
764 [05:51:23] <Arahael> jelly: I think it's this one; replaced-url
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766 [05:51:50] <somiaj> JeffFromOH: that is a better approach to firewalls in my opinion anyways. Have other hardware for it, and not on the box.
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768 [05:52:40] <somiaj> though I have heard issues bout ipv6 ignoring the linksys router firewalls, this might be older versions, and i'm unsure since I don't use ipv6.
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770 [05:54:56] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: I'm worried that, well, home market routers often are found, after they've been released, to have crap firmware with security holes you can drive a truck through lol. So, that's partly why I want a firewall also on the server lol. Defense in depth.
771 [05:55:32] <annadane> use openrwt or similar?
772 [05:55:46] <annadane> s/openrwt/openwrt
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775 [05:58:32] <Arahael> Weird. tasksel has more output when run interactively. Maybe it requires a tty?
776 [05:58:56] <jelly> Arahael: having a tty is kind of implied when doing installation
777 [05:59:06] <Arahael> jelly: Not with docker, iirc.
778 [05:59:11] <jelly> oh, docker
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784 [06:04:40] <JeffFromOH> annadane: Well, I bought this particular router with the intention of putting OpenWRT or Tomato or something on it
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786 [06:05:20] <JeffFromOH> But, never got around to it - when I first go it, the OpenWRT support for the router was not yet very mature, although I think that has probably changed now, 2 or 3 years later
787 [06:05:51] <JeffFromOH> But, well, when you have working Internet, it's hard to motivate yourself to start making changes that might stop your Internet from working altogether lol
788 [06:05:53] <Arahael> Hmm, tasksel has definitely hung, by the looks of it.
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792 [06:06:33] <annadane> JeffFromOH, i fully sympathize with that point of view as i get worried about the same thing
793 [06:07:27] <JeffFromOH> I'll give Linksys credit for this: They've been regularly releasing firmware updates to address discovered security vulnerabilities.
794 [06:08:01] <petemc> bad for business otherwise
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796 [06:08:35] <somiaj> cisco does have a fairly good repreation when it comes to network security, though unsure on their speed on their home end products.
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799 [06:09:39] <JeffFromOH> somiaj: Well, the speed does leave a *little bit* to be desired - there was a security vulnerability that was disclosed in April, that they released a firmware to fix in July. Not the worst turn-around time ever, but 3 months is still a pretty long window in Internet time.
800 [06:09:58] <somiaj> for big companies, not that bad.
801 [06:10:24] <JeffFromOH> Yeah - but still gives a window of opportunity to hackers.
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803 [06:11:21] <Arahael> Meh. Giving up on tasksel. I guess I'll use aptitude.
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806 [06:18:15] <Arahael> Beautiful.
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808 [06:20:28] <JeffFromOH> Thanks for your time and advice. Time for me to bid you goodnight.
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827 [06:40:30] <Natalie> I'm trying to run "libinput measure touchpad-pressure" but from what I can tell, I don't actually have a libinput command installed anywhere. How can I install it?
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834 [06:52:39] <awal1> Natalie, libinput-tools should have the command line tools
835 [06:53:13] <Natalie> Yeah. I eventually found it.
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840 [06:55:48] <loadedanvils> I’m about to install debian for the first time, which DE version would you recommend I get (I want to switch from unity / gnome 3)
841 [06:55:50] <awal1> ,v libinput-tools
842 [06:55:51] <judd> Package: libinput-tools on amd64 -- stretch: 1.6.3-1; buster: 1.9.3-1; sid: 1.9.3-1
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844 [06:59:07] <klys> loadedanvils, why do you want to switch?
845 [07:00:28] <klys> if you just want to try something new, try kde. if you want a lightweight desktop, try lxde. <insert other reason for each available desktop here>
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855 [07:07:29] <awal1> loadedanvils, that depends on what you want to do with your system
856 [07:07:48] <loadedanvils> general purpose development
857 [07:08:33] <loadedanvils> I’ve used ubuntu, centos, and manjaro before
858 [07:08:42] <awal1> if just for home use, a base system + a window manager of your choice (icewm and fluxbox are almost ready to use)
859 [07:08:55] <awal1> a wm + the tools you need
860 [07:09:21] <awal1> if you are DE oriented/gui oriented, try them all and chose
861 [07:09:54] <awal1> gnome and kde are the most popular
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865 [07:11:50] <awal1> that is for what virtualization is also there; have a debian vm and try anything you want then chose for your real system
866 [07:12:12] <awal1> at least that is what I do
867 [07:13:00] <loadedanvils> I’ve tried all of them in a VM (not all of them worked successfully)
868 [07:13:11] <loadedanvils> I think because the VM made things worse
869 [07:13:51] <loadedanvils> I wasn’t satisfied with any they had listed (I hadn’t installed guest additions or anything)
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871 [07:15:27] <awal1> all the software is there made for work under any desktop environment / window manager once dependencies are satisfied
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874 [07:15:51] <Arahael> I can't run setxkbmap correctly - any reason why? (I just get: "Error loading new keyboard description"). Please note: My setup is a bit weird.
875 [07:16:04] <Arahael> (I'm doing this via x11 forwarding, for instance)
876 [07:16:13] <klys> if you want to use windows via kvm as a desktop, get you a usb-serial dongle for your laptop and boot over ttyUSB0, and use virt-manager to take over your video
877 [07:16:21] <awal1> which DE/WM you can use? that is a matter almost of taste, a matther of the graphical environment you like much, loadedanvils
878 [07:16:34] <klys> that is, if none of them are satisfoactory
879 [07:16:52] <awal1> invent your own
880 [07:16:57] <loadedanvils> I was using VMWare (this is a new computer that I haven’t installed linux on yet)
881 [07:17:23] <loadedanvils> I used Gnome 3 before and it was okay but I don’t really seem to like it anymore
882 [07:17:40] <Arahael> loadedanvils: The tools are practically required. Unless you don't need the display and use ssh instead.
883 [07:18:03] <awal1> I personally ended using openbox, and sometimes fvwm, and I just install the software I need then. that was my final choice after trying every DE/WM existing under debian
884 [07:18:40] <Arahael> awal1: Including ratpoison?
885 [07:18:52] <awal1> Arahael, yeah :P
886 [07:19:07] <Arahael> awal1: Impressive. :)
887 [07:19:34] <klys> right now I actually am using openbox or fluxbox
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889 [07:19:56] <awal1> I ended having all DE/WM (kde, gnome, cinnamon, xfce, lxde, mate and lxqt + like 30 WM's)
890 [07:20:04] <klys> and konsole for a transparent terminal
891 [07:20:33] <awal1> my suprise was about how all worked smoothly in same machine/system ( jessie)
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893 [07:21:56] <klys> yesterday I was using iceweasel and it started thrashing. a few hours passed and I was able to kill it with kill from a tty.
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898 [07:24:21] <Arahael> klys: Tried aterm?
899 [07:24:27] <awal1> Arahael, I am not really a fun of tilling wm's; I prefer stacking (like openbox) or dynamic (like awesome)
900 [07:24:39] <Arahael> awal1: Yeah, it was a bit of a test. ;)
901 [07:24:47] <klys> arahael, it's not the best for wathcing videos through the terminal emulator
902 [07:25:22] <awal1> Arahael, that is bcoz I am not really 100% keyboard oriented :P
903 [07:25:22] <klys> I think aterm is glued to the root window
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905 [07:26:31] <Arahael> klys: Ah, so you wanted *real* transparency.
906 [07:26:57] <klys> arhael, have you tried it?
907 [07:27:26] <awal1> loadedanvils, I suggest you xfce. it is very customizable and stable. I like it's conservatism
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909 [07:27:57] <Arahael> klys: Me? Yes, I've tried xterm. I haven't tried ratpoison, though: I've gone mac.
910 [07:28:08] <awal1> and it is very gnome compliant
911 [07:28:50] <klys> arahael, are you running mac os x via kv or xen? or are you just using mac instead of debian for now?
912 [07:29:33] <Arahael> klys: mac os on a macbook pro.
913 [07:29:41] <klys> ok
914 [07:32:06] <awal1> Arahael, what do you want to do exactly with setxkbmap ?
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917 [07:32:53] <awal1> and which command exactly?
918 [07:32:55] <Arahael> awal1: I'm trying to make my keyboard work. Symptom: When I run enlightenment in Xyphyr, none of my keys work.
919 [07:33:07] <Arahael> awal1: I was hoping to see what mapping I am using.
920 [07:33:41] <Arahael> Very weird behaviour, it's like someone shuffled all my keys. backspace results in ,'s. My number keys results in letters.
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922 [07:34:29] <Arahael> As for the exact command that is giving the error, it is: setxkbmap
923 [07:34:34] <Arahael> Yes, on it's own.
924 [07:34:45] <awal1> Arahael, try setxkbmap -query
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928 [07:35:20] <Arahael> Ok, that doesn't result in an error. Doesn't seem to result in anything, really, curiously.
929 [07:35:44] <Arahael> rules: base; model: empty; layout: empty
930 [07:35:50] <password2> hi
931 [07:35:54] <loadedanvils> awal1 I liked xfce in manjaro, but I’m not sure how to configure it for debian
932 [07:36:04] <Arahael> password2: Your password is showing.
933 [07:36:54] <password2> :O
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935 [07:37:07] <password2> talking about me , I havetwo thingsto ask
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937 [07:37:19] <awal1> loadedanvils, if you want your graphical environment to be just as you want it, you "should" use a wm. xfce is really easy to configure
938 [07:37:37] <password2> firstly , I want to expose my ssh port to the internet , any things i should lock down before doing so?
939 [07:38:52] <loadedanvils> awal1: supposedly, yes, not sure where to start though
940 [07:39:06] <loadedanvils> xfce has a window manager already though, right?
941 [07:39:27] <awal1> Arahael, so you are runnig debian system with E17 or a debian vm+e17+xephyr on mac?
942 [07:39:30] <Arahael> password2: That depends on your level of paranoia. Generally, make absolutely certain that all password-based logins have a very good password.
943 [07:39:49] <awal1> xfwm, a derivative of fvwm
944 [07:39:54] <Arahael> awal1: debian docker image + e17 + xepher using ssh X11 forwarding in XQuartz....
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946 [07:40:22] <Arahael> awal1: I'm >< this close to giving up, and setting up an xrdp server, which may be a good idea.
947 [07:40:33] <password2> ok
948 [07:40:34] <nix64bit> i hate passwords is it not possible just to unstall p/p keys everywhere
949 [07:40:40] <password2> all my passwords are different
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951 [07:40:55] <Arahael> password2: Not good enough. They have to be *good* passwords. Generally random.
952 [07:41:02] <awal1> Arahael, not really familiar with containers stuff; can't be much of help
953 [07:41:02] <password2> meh
954 [07:41:05] <Arahael> password2: If you can't do that, then disable password auth.
955 [07:41:11] <password2> random is worse :P
956 [07:41:18] <Arahael> password2: Use keys instead
957 [07:41:37] <Arahael> awal1: I don't think it's a container issue, as such.
958 [07:41:50] <Arahael> awal1: However, it could easily be some oddity with XQuartz.
959 [07:42:24] <password2> keyboard keys :D
960 [07:42:35] <Arahael> password2: ssh keys are far, far more secure.
961 [07:42:40] <nix64bit> Arahael: so do i need a root private key? as well as a user priveae key?
962 [07:42:41] <password2> i doubt it
963 [07:42:47] <Arahael> password2: These keys can themselves use a "keyboard key".
964 [07:42:54] <Arahael> nix64bit: What?
965 [07:43:41] <password2> Arahael, ssh keys does cause linked vulnerability though , if the computer I'm from ssh'ing is compromised or getcmpromised , they got the font door keys to my server
966 [07:43:54] <nix64bit> Arahael: how do i setup keys for loogin rathere than paswords, I use keys on my remote server but can i use them fo local login as well
967 [07:44:08] <nix64bit> and is there a howto somewhere ?
968 [07:44:14] <awal1> Arahael, for "layout setxkbmap -layout yorlanguage" what output you get running say "setxkbmap -layout en"? en for english
969 [07:44:17] <Arahael> password2: So, put a password on those keys to cater for that.
970 [07:44:34] <Arahael> password2: But, what's stopping them from installing a keylogger? If your system is compromised, it's game over.
971 [07:44:50] <Arahael> nix64bit: ... For local login?
972 [07:45:01] <nix64bit> yes
973 [07:45:12] <nix64bit> i alredy use them for remote
974 [07:45:20] <password2> well persistence
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977 [07:45:37] <password2> a ssh needs to be stored on file
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979 [07:46:22] <nix64bit> keys are many times for efficient that passwords
980 [07:46:28] <Arahael> awal1: The output I get is: Error loading new keyboard description.
981 [07:46:52] <awal1> klys, 'guake' or 'tilda' are great for transparency. they also have the drop-down feature. I wonder if you really need kde libs and so under your openbox/fluxbox
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983 [07:47:32] <nix64bit> i guess i could ssh into local server
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985 [07:47:56] <nix64bit> but thats seems a bit silly
986 [07:48:07] <klys> awal1, do they have fullscreen and tabs too?
987 [07:48:19] <Arahael> nix64bit: You probably should use sudo instead.
988 [07:48:34] <password2> not to start a crypto war , but have anyone seen xkcds take on passwords?
989 [07:48:36] <nix64bit> i have installed sudo
990 [07:48:51] <Arahael> password2: Yes, it's excellent.
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992 [07:49:30] <nix64bit> i would like to have a password free environment
993 [07:49:30] <Arahael> password2: Note, that xkcd's scheme only really works if you pick *random* words. Ie, use an xkcd password generator, don't pick them yourself.
994 [07:49:40] <password2> just a shame many sites limit password length
995 [07:49:47] <awal1> klys, sure! I presonnaly prefer 'guake'
996 [07:49:51] <m3rlin> Hi! When I updated kernel image and headers on Debian Jessie, I've got screen "Failed to start Load Kernel Modules". How to fix this? Thanks
997 [07:50:00] <Arahael> awal1: I've given up, I'm afraid. :(
998 [07:50:46] <password2> I use an algorith for my passwords though
999 [07:50:53] <awal1> Arahael, I can't really concentrate now. sunday night.... :P
1000 [07:51:01] <nix64bit> this is a good password :(){ :|:& };: :)
1001 [07:51:21] <Arahael> awal1: Heh, fair enough
1002 [07:51:31] <password2> basically I use data from the the thing I'm trying to log into to 'encrypt' my password
1003 [07:51:54] <Voldenet> good password? I think password1234 is pretty good
1004 [07:51:58] <Voldenet> ;-)
1005 [07:52:20] <password2> nah , we work best when we are base 2
1006 [07:52:22] <password2> :D
1007 [07:52:55] <musca> passwords are lame, replaced-url
1008 [07:52:59] <xormor> IwalkedDown%The5Str337
1009 [07:53:25] <klys> awal1, invoked guake a minute ago and still no window
1010 [07:53:50] <awal1> klys, press F12 key for display it / hide it
1011 [07:53:58] <password2> musca, what about the mooltipass?
1012 [07:54:21] <awal1> klys, tilda have F1 by default
1013 [07:54:31] <password2> why are all the sites starting to use popups again?
1014 [07:56:05] <awal1> klys, F12/F1 are the hotkeys
1015 [07:56:18] <nix64bit> I have started to use a UUID generator to generate passwords, unfortunately I end up saving them in a file someweher becasue they impossible to rember
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1018 [07:58:38] <password2> on another note , I'm trying to install Oracle Virtual Box ,and it installed , but its moaning about a missing driver and suggests I run /sbin/vboxconfig , which then moans about two possible missing packages , the one i installed , the other i (linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64) can't find i my repos , only a later version.
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1020 [08:02:42] <nkuttler> password2: you should probably have rebooted after upgrading your kernel
1021 [08:02:51] <password2> i did reboot
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1023 [08:03:04] <password2> idk if it upgraded my kernel
1024 [08:03:19] <password2> because i also get 'This system is currently not set up to build kernel modules.'
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1026 [08:03:26] <nkuttler> password2: apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1027 [08:03:38] <nkuttler> ,kernels
1028 [08:03:39] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-trunk-686-pae (4.14-1~exp1); sid: 4.14.0-1-686-pae (4.14.2-1); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.13-1); stretch-backports: 4.13.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.13.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.65-3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.4-686 (4.9.51-1~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.51-2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
1029 [08:03:40] <judd> (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.96-1)
1030 [08:04:23] <password2> It asks for linux-headers-4.9.0-3-amd64 , I installed linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64
1031 [08:04:24] <klys> awal1, is there a way to get it back into the alt+tab sequence?
1032 [08:04:44] <nkuttler> password2: apt-get install linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
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1036 [08:05:32] <klys> awal1, also I don't want a blinknig cursor
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1039 [08:07:20] <musca> klys: in gnome?
1040 [08:07:30] <password2> nkuttler, should i reboot afterwards?
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1042 [08:07:39] <nkuttler> password2: yes
1043 [08:07:47] <password2> ok brb
1044 [08:07:49] <nkuttler> password2: then reinstall the virtualbox package
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1047 [08:08:57] <klys> musca, openbox.
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1054 [08:09:57] <klys> sorry about the lag it appears my system has slowed down quite a bit.
1055 [08:10:04] <password2> seems to be doing something different now , lets see
1056 [08:10:31] <nkuttler> password2: yes, dkms will build the module for the running kernel, which you need the headers for
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1058 [08:11:16] <password2> yesterday night i could have sworn i installed the headers , but i was not really paying attention to what i was doing
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1061 [08:13:49] <password2> now i can use winamp again!
1062 [08:14:04] <nkuttler> quodlibet is much better
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1064 [08:16:08] <password2> for me winamp is perfection
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1070 [08:20:09] <musca> klys: A good collection of tips on "How to diable blinking cursors" replaced-url
1071 [08:20:36] <klys> thx
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1082 [08:33:07] <awal1> klys, disable blinking cursor in guake? and alt-tab for what?
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1085 [08:33:31] <klys> awal1, well since I use openbox...
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1087 [08:33:46] <awal1> klys, what?
1088 [08:33:53] <klys> awal1, I would like to maintain consistency by using alt+tab for all my apps.
1089 [08:34:21] <awal1> klys, you mean alt-tab for display/hide guake?
1090 [08:34:29] <klys> yes
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1092 [08:36:47] <awal1> openbox alt-tab is for cycle between apps windows is different from what guake hot key (F12) does
1093 [08:37:19] <awal1> you may be able to do something Xdefaults; not sure
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1095 [08:37:45] <awal1> something via Xdefaults
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1097 [08:39:37] <awal1> any key you set as a hotkey will be "monopolized" by guake when running
1098 [08:40:22] <awal1> klys, not sure about what the 'hotkeys', of any software does exactly
1099 [08:40:45] <awal1> check docs or source code
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1102 [08:42:30] <awal1> I mean I don't know what F1 for tilda, F12 for gnome, right Ctrl for virtualbox... does in the background, how those softwares gets them "monopolized" when they are running
1103 [08:42:39] <awal1> maybe someone can teach us
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1108 [08:46:45] <nik__> hi guys i need some help
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1110 [08:48:33] <nik__> i installed xfce4 on debian 9, i selected it from the gear before logging in, i logged in but nothing changed
1111 [08:48:43] <nik__> what should i do next?
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1116 [08:51:42] <nik__> anyone some help?
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1149 [09:25:34] <awal1> klys, alt-tab as an accelerator is reserved by your wm (openbox - via rc.xml, read at startup); you may play with openbox and gtk (3) keyboard accelerators sources for do what you wanted
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1152 [09:26:37] <awal1> too much work for a trivial feature, with use, you'll find that F12 is more convenient; much better to have it as a separate accelerator :)
1153 [09:26:38] <somiaj> nik__: what do you mean? Do you want to run xfce4? What desktop are you currently using?
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1213 [10:14:10] <hool> Tried installing the Nvidia driver, now I can't log in anymore. It crashes
1214 [10:15:01] <hool> With this command from the wiki apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's/[^-]*-[^-]*-//') nvidia-driver
1215 [10:15:08] <Bushmaster> hi, seeking some help with my Debian, when I boot it up it goes straight to command mode as oppose to GUI log in page
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1217 [10:15:22] <somiaj> hool: is that the only command you ran? Did you edit the xorg.conf?
1218 [10:15:35] <hool> Card is 920m
1219 [10:15:39] <somiaj> Bushmaster: do you have a display manager isntalled?
1220 [10:15:43] <hool> No somiaj
1221 [10:15:59] <hool> It says in the wiki that it isn't needed in stretch
1222 [10:16:00] <somiaj> hool: is this an optimus setup (intel + nvidia dual gpu laptop)?
1223 [10:16:10] <hool> I think so
1224 [10:16:15] <somiaj> hool: ahh yea, it might not be, I still do it out of habit.
1225 [10:16:27] <somiaj> it should have also said that this does not work for optimus setups.
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1227 [10:16:47] <hool> Any way I can uninstall it
1228 [10:17:05] <somiaj> hool: sure, just remove the nvidia-drive package
1229 [10:17:11] <hool> How
1230 [10:17:15] <hool> It doesn't let me boot
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1232 [10:17:26] <somiaj> hool: replaced-url
1233 [10:17:29] <hool> It says something went wrong and just allows log out
1234 [10:17:43] <somiaj> hool: hit ctrl-alt-f2 (that give you a console)?
1235 [10:18:05] <hool> Yep
1236 [10:18:12] <somiaj> there ya go
1237 [10:18:14] <hool> I'm getting a dump of errors though
1238 [10:18:30] <hool> Pci express error severity corrected
1239 [10:18:44] <hool> Can't type anything in
1240 [10:18:50] <somiaj> I don't have any experience with optimus hardware, but check out the wiki on Bumblebee
1241 [10:18:51] <hool> Still going
1242 [10:19:11] <somiaj> hool: hmm, you may need to get a recovery image to boot off of that to fix it.
1243 [10:19:25] <hool> This was before I installed the driver
1244 [10:19:34] <hool> Still happens though
1245 [10:20:05] <Bushmaster> somiaj: i will explain to you shortly
1246 [10:20:07] <somiaj> you may have other issues that need to be debugged, but I'm up way past my bed time, so I cna't help much more. Best of luck
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1249 [10:20:28] <hool> Thanks somiaj
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1252 [10:23:15] <hool> Can I get some help from someone else ?
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1260 [10:31:05] <nix64bit> whats wrong?
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1266 [10:32:26] <hool> Installed a nvidia driver, now I can't login anymore. Went into a terminal and uninstalled nvidia-driver but it didn't help
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1270 [10:33:07] <Arahael> From my vague memory, some drivers liked a full reboot after you unloaded them.
1271 [10:33:38] <hool> I did that
1272 [10:33:52] <hool> I just want to remove what I installed
1273 [10:34:21] <hool> Problem is I don't know what else it installed
1274 [10:34:39] <hool> When I installed nvidia-driver
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1280 [10:40:08] <awal1> hool, apt-cache depends yourdriverpkg may help
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1284 [10:41:13] <nix64bit> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
1285 [10:41:19] <nix64bit> might help
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1289 [10:46:37] <Arahael> How do I tell apt install to just use the default swhen installing the package?
1290 [10:46:52] <Arahael> -y isn't quite doing it.
1291 [10:46:59] <themill> default what?
1292 [10:47:21] <Arahael> themill: Whatever it is. In this case, pakcage e17 insists on asking me which keyboard I want.
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1295 [10:48:13] <themill> ah, so debconf prompts
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1297 [10:50:06] <Arahael> Ah, so that's what they are. Can I avoid them?
1298 [10:50:08] <themill> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=noninteractive apt install foo
1299 [10:50:21] <themill> or dpkg-reconfigure debconf
1300 [10:50:21] <Arahael> Perfect, thanks.
1301 [10:50:28] <Arahael> Will go with the env variable.
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1311 [10:55:33] <n4dir> doesn't seem to make much sense, cause e17 asks you which keyboard you wanna use when first starting it anyway
1312 [10:56:10] <n4dir> btw: i wasn't asked when i installed e17
1313 [10:56:32] <themill> I'd have expected kb config to be within the installation of the X packages
1314 [10:56:41] <themill> or console-setup
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1316 [10:56:51] <Ritzton> Hello
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1318 [10:58:14] <xuxx_> DO you guys know qubes os ? if yes can you give me your opinion about this os ? thanks you
1319 [10:59:00] <bazhang> xuxx_, I think ##linux would be the place to ask about that
1320 [10:59:02] <awal1> themill, as n4dir said, E17 (enlightenment wm) ask for choose keyboard layout first time you log in X via e17 wm, not during apt install :P
1321 [10:59:19] <themill> sounds pretty broken
1322 [10:59:24] <awal1> Arahael, you should describe better your "issues" and don't confuse people
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1324 [10:59:43] <xuxx_> bazhang, okey
1325 [10:59:46] <Ritzton> I am using acme-nginx for the certificate and I have created the cronjob as it is written here replaced-url
1326 [11:00:29] <awal1> themill, don't know if broke, but every time I try e17 it asks; it is just how it is designed
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1330 [11:01:12] <awal1> well, I find that stupid. if my locales ar set to es_ES, e17 should just choose spanish layout as all other DE/WM does
1331 [11:01:48] <awal1> I never understood why it asks
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1337 [11:06:26] <n4dir> asks a shitload of questions anyway, without asking for the keyboard it wouldn't be much different.
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1339 [11:07:26] <awal1> right
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1370 [11:29:36] <Arahael> awal1: You're the second person to have said that this week. I do need to explain better - with examples.
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1389 [11:39:24] <petn-randall> Ritzton: Why not use certbot and python-certbot-nginx? It's officially supported in Debian and also still actively developed.
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1402 [11:44:13] <Dazax> Hello
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1406 [11:45:17] <Dazax> I have a problem with a debian system (boot failed) : /mounting /dev/ on /root/dev failed : no such file or directory
1407 [11:45:42] <Dazax> Anyone can help me ? (I allready search on the net, but nothing to do)
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1411 [11:47:09] <DK21> when installating debian im getting he attempt to mount a filesystem with type ext4 in / failed
1412 [11:47:15] <DK21> fdisk -l sees the harddrives tough
1413 [11:47:39] <DK21> they also seem to get partitioned by the installer
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1419 [11:51:55] <Iridos> DK21, after the installer finished installing a small system and you reboot?
1420 [11:52:00] <DK21> noo
1421 [11:52:07] <DK21> when partitioing the / partition it fails
1422 [11:52:10] <DK21> with tthe error
1423 [11:52:14] <DK21> right in the installer
1424 [11:52:39] <Arahael> Dazax: That's an odd error. The /etc/fstab might clarify what it's trying to mount.
1425 [11:53:00] <Iridos> well, the installer lets you break into a shell an look at things
1426 [11:53:05] <Arahael> Dazax: (So we'd like to see that too)
1427 [11:53:57] <DK21> theres noting in the fstab except the standard things like none /run etc
1428 [11:54:17] <DK21> dmesg says sda: unknown partition table
1429 [11:54:34] <Dazax> Arahael: the /etc/fstab seems correct (try: with /dev/mapper/x ; UUID = no result)
1430 [11:55:06] <DK21> when fdisk -l i can see the /dev/sda3 partition thats supposed to be /
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1435 [11:58:22] <DK21> maybe kernel issue? how can i show the kernel in the installer
1436 [11:58:40] <DK21> its 3.16.0-4
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1465 [12:12:59] <Arahael> Dazax: Then I don't know, sorry.
1466 [12:13:09] <Dazax> No problem
1467 [12:13:18] <Dazax> I think the next step is.. reinstall.
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1471 [12:14:39] <Arahael> I've been spending my sunday afternoon trying to get xrdp working. It seems to have had issues with ipv6, so I used the stretch-backports version which seems to work until I login. However, I'm not using systemd, and it seems that xrdp depends on it.
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1475 [12:14:58] <Arahael> (Via pam, which apparently uses systemd?) I'm using docker, so I can't run systemd.
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1479 [12:16:35] <jelly> Dazax: it sounds like /dev directory does not exist in your root filesystem
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1485 [12:17:56] <jelly> Dazax: so either there has been some data loss, or your boot loader is told to mount the wrong fs as root
1486 [12:18:02] <mdk> Hi, I don't understand why I'm not having autogroups enabled: replaced-url
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1490 [12:19:58] <mdk> Oh and cat /boot/config-`uname -r` | grep AUTOGR gives CONFIG_SCHED_AUTOGROUP=y obviously
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1494 [12:21:42] <Dreaman> 3 parts i use swap /boot and / is a root
1495 [12:21:49] <jelly> Dazax: mount your root fs someplace, mkdir /path/to/mountpoint/dev, or do it from initramfs shell
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1526 [12:31:24] <Ritzton> petn-randall> acme-nginx is working fine by command line, but I don't know why it is doing this with the crontab, because it is not executed as root ?
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1535 [12:33:32] <Ritzton> petn-randall: I think I found acme-nginx on letsencrypt website
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1537 [12:34:55] <bloxor> Ive been trying to figure out why my minimal debian installation won't type / when i press shift+7, it's configured to qwertz. tried different keyboards, still nothing. any ideas?
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1539 [12:36:08] <beardy> bloxor: Wrong keymap.
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1541 [12:36:40] <beardy> bloxor: But, where, in X or consoles?
1542 [12:36:48] <zokum> in norway, loadkeys no-latin1 tends to fix this
1543 [12:37:04] <bloxor> console
1544 [12:37:22] <Ritzton> petn-randall: the yes it was on this page replaced-url
1545 [12:37:24] <beardy> !keymap
1546 [12:37:25] <dpkg> Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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1548 [12:37:49] <bloxor> thanks a lot, trying all that now
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1553 [12:39:54] <beardy> bloxor: I'm guessing that qwertz in this case might be US layout witj only y and z swapped? So yeah.. try a keymap named after country instead if you find the right one for you.
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1556 [12:40:23] * JustASlacker nods
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1559 [12:40:45] <JustASlacker> y and z is swapped on german language keyboards
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1561 [12:40:48] <JustASlacker> among others
1562 [12:41:05] <JustASlacker> great way to get confused if password contains z or y
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1565 [12:41:26] <gun1x> hey guys
1566 [12:41:33] <gun1x> any way to configure xinerama on debian 9 ?
1567 [12:41:39] <gun1x> as in, have two monitors act as one
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1571 [12:42:25] <gun1x> also, i can't find the x11 config file
1572 [12:42:35] <gun1x> in theory i could set xinerama to 1 there
1573 [12:42:36] <beardy> !xrandr
1574 [12:42:36] <dpkg> i guess xrandr is a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. replaced-url
1575 [12:42:37] <gun1x> but can't find it
1576 [12:42:38] <beardy> !randr
1577 [12:42:49] <altker128> Anyone here set up restyaboard?
1578 [12:42:52] <bloxor> ok, so im now on German keyboard layout, still nothing :/
1579 [12:43:11] <banna> Hey guys tell me how i can open a libre office file in window
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1581 [12:43:23] <JustASlacker> bloxor: what do you get
1582 [12:43:32] <gun1x> beardy: from the link, Once the configuration file (xorg.conf) is updated
1583 [12:43:38] <gun1x> i can't find the xorg.conf file
1584 [12:43:41] <bloxor> just a 7, Shift+7 is supposed to be /
1585 [12:44:03] <beardy> gun1x: There isn't one since.. 10 years? But you can place one where it should be located.
1586 [12:44:15] <gun1x> beardy: good news. where should it be located?
1587 [12:44:24] <beardy> .xorg.conf
1588 [12:44:27] <beardy> !xorg.conf
1589 [12:44:27] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, xorg mostly configures itself. Resolution is set by your monitor/graphics card (unless they're broken), by your desktop environment or <xrandr>. From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze", input hotplugging saves duplicating settings and restarting X after changes. The /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is usually no longer needed and is often blank. Manual configuration is still possible, see <xorg manual config>.
1590 [12:45:02] <gun1x> so it's /home/user/.xorg.conf?
1591 [12:45:07] <gun1x> i'll try that now
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1593 [12:45:14] <gun1x> exporting from nvidia panel to that
1594 [12:45:23] <gun1x> works on stretch, yes? doesn't have any conflict with wayland?
1595 [12:45:49] <beardy> gun1x: No.. /etc/X11/xorg.conf
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1597 [12:47:00] <beardy> !xorg manual config
1598 [12:47:01] <dpkg> From Debian 5.0 "Lenny" onwards, you can often use an <empty xorg.conf>. To configure your keyboard layout for both X and console, run «dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration». If you have further things you wish to configure, use "X -configure" ("X -configure :1" if server is already active) to produce a xorg.conf template. See also <xorg hal>. replaced-url
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1602 [12:49:03] <gun1x> beardy: i placed the config at /etc/X11/xorg.conf and rebooted ... however, i still don't have the image split on both monitors
1603 [12:49:10] <gun1x> i have a feeling this didn't work
1604 [12:49:14] <gun1x> checking nvidia config now ...
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1607 [12:49:46] <gun1x> beardy: nope, it didn't ... i still get Option "Xinerama" "0"
1608 [12:50:28] <lololo> Hello, I'm having trouble with booting kernel with custom initrd, here is some info: replaced-url
1609 [12:50:48] <DK21> so, how can i get my firmware.cpio into the initrd.gz?
1610 [12:51:32] <beardy> gun1x: Don't reboot.. just restart X/your display manager..
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1612 [12:51:50] <gun1x> beardy: why, does it work better if you only restart the X display manager?
1613 [12:52:00] <gun1x> beardy: how do i restart the x display manager?
1614 [12:52:19] <Tarrasquero> gun1x: install arandr
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1617 [12:52:39] <beardy> gun1x: It's silly and unecessary to reboot in that case.
1618 [12:52:58] <gun1x> beardy: i have 3 SSDs in stripe, my system reboots in... 2 seconds ?
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1621 [12:53:26] <gun1x> Tarrasquero: did you try arandr with nvidia and steam games?
1622 [12:54:23] <beardy> gun1x: 'systemctl restart ?dm' depending on which one you use.
1623 [12:54:29] <Tarrasquero> no my intel
1624 [12:54:59] <banna> ???????????
1625 [12:55:12] <gun1x> beardy: gdm
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1627 [12:55:15] <Tarrasquero> sry bad ingles
1628 [12:57:07] <gun1x> beardy: thank you for the advice ... i did that and the system froze so bad i had to forcefully reboot :D
1629 [12:57:31] <lololo> Eh... guys... can you help me a little bit? :/
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1632 [12:58:43] <Tarrasquero> !?
1633 [12:59:13] <lololo> Tarrasquero: As I said prevoiusly: "Hello, I'm having trouble with booting kernel with custom initrd, here is some info: replaced-url
1634 [12:59:50] <lololo> tl;dr: I'm booting into initrd as root fs and kernel complains about VFS
1635 [13:00:34] <lololo> on local vbox and remote kvm machine it was working just fine
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1637 [13:02:20] <Tarrasquero> lololo: you tried mode rescue?
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1640 [13:04:32] <lololo> Tarrasquero: You see, the problem is that I want to overwrite the drive. I can't use rescue because I want to remove the currently installed OS
1641 [13:04:43] <lololo> So that's why I'm using this method of booting
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1643 [13:05:08] <lololo> And as I said: It worked on other hosts, this vm just has some problems
1644 [13:05:15] <Tarrasquero> check the assembly point
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1646 [13:05:46] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Uh?
1647 [13:07:03] <Tarrasquero> and the choroot?
1648 [13:08:20] <lololo> Tarrasquero: I'm sorry I dont really know what are you talking about, are you talking about the step where I'm creating custom initrd?
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1653 [13:10:04] <Tarrasquero> can you start a livecd?
1654 [13:10:21] <Tarrasquero> liveusb?
1655 [13:10:26] <lololo> Tarrasquero: No I can't. If I could I would just use netinstall iso
1656 [13:10:48] <lololo> Tarrasquero: It's remote host in VMWare hypervisor
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1658 [13:11:16] <lololo> I cant plug anything into it, I can only edit grub entries, control boot and connect via VNC
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1660 [13:11:46] <Tarrasquero> hmmmm
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1662 [13:12:18] <Tarrasquero> sry
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1664 [13:12:42] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Please read more carefully :p
1665 [13:13:20] <Tarrasquero> :)
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1669 [13:14:48] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Well... so do you have any ideas on fixinf this?
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1671 [13:15:59] <Tarrasquero> remotely is complicated
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1673 [13:16:46] <lololo> Tarrasquero: Yea, but I did it two times now, I just want any hint on how to debug why it's not working in vmware D:
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1676 [13:18:13] <Tarrasquero> forgive, I do not use vmware
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1678 [13:19:45] <lololo> Tarrasquero: No problem
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1682 [13:23:17] <tdn> I am about to set up a wordpress site. What are best practices for doing this in a secure manner on Debian 9? Should I use the one packaged with debian or the official .tar.gz from wordpress.com? What post install steps should I take to secure it and keep it secure?
1683 [13:23:36] <apollo13> preferably don't install it at all :D
1684 [13:23:44] * JustASlacker nods
1685 [13:24:00] <JustASlacker> maybe ask #wordpress ?
1686 [13:24:12] <JustASlacker> Id imagine the debian packets are outdated
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1688 [13:24:25] <JustASlacker> better use the official ones
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1691 [13:24:43] <introom> hi
1692 [13:24:50] <introom> what's the tex-info package for this: replaced-url
1693 [13:24:57] <JustASlacker> to keep it secure, block port 80/443 via firewalld
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1695 [13:25:47] <introom> lololo: is that running fine without kvm?
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1697 [13:26:09] <JustASlacker> introom: 404
1698 [13:26:51] <introom> if so, due to the ahci change, you may try qemu with different version, just regress back to qemu 2.6, 2.5, etc. '-machine-id' is fair enough. this is a known incompatibility issue on VMWARE.
1699 [13:26:58] <introom> JustASlacker: replaced-url
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1701 [13:27:01] <introom> the c preprocessor.
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1708 [13:29:10] <tdn> JustASlacker, Ok. Thought so
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1710 [13:29:52] <tdn> apollo13, what would you recommend instead? I want something that will let me set up a site within just a few hours.
1711 [13:29:55] <Iridos> uh, if things are packaged for debian, I would use the package first
1712 [13:30:09] <apollo13> tdn: anything which creates a static site (ie a set of html files)
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1715 [13:30:23] <introom> cpp-doc. there we go.
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1718 [13:30:38] <Iridos> make sure you read /usr/share/doc/wordpress/README* after installing it
1719 [13:32:14] <lololo> introom: It should be, at least in virtualbox it was working fine, i overwrote ubuntu using this method.
1720 [13:32:21] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
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1723 [13:33:25] <JustASlacker> apollo13: tdn ^
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1725 [13:34:23] <introom> does virtualbox has kvm support. I am outdated...
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1728 [13:35:03] <apollo13> vbox and kvm conflict and can't be used at the same time if that is what you are asking
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1749 [13:45:38] <Lullu> Hi everyone, I have updated nextcloud on my vps server (debian 8), the installation stopped in middle so I restarted my vps server, but after that whenever I type sudo command I get error msg "sudo: unable to resolve host server" (I have FQDN) also my eggdrop, postfix and my domain is not working, I have tried to change the hostname & hosts file on debian, but no luck. any help please?
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1761 [13:53:33] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: su? apt-get install -f
1762 [13:53:58] <dutchfish> Lullu, have you thoroughly read through /var/log/aptterm.log to see what happened and if there were errors in regards to package updates or hold backs?
1763 [13:54:17] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: yes tried that as well
1764 [13:54:20] <dutchfish> correction: /var/log/apt/term.log
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1766 [13:55:03] <lololo> introom: No, vbox has no kvm support, and please read what i pasted on pastebin (link in previous messages, if you want i can paste it here again). I tested this on: local vbox instance (replaced ubuntu with debian), remote KVM VPS (replaced outdated debian and changed entire partition layout) and now Iwanted to the same with this VMWare based VPS where I can't mount anything into virtual cd-rom.
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1771 [13:56:07] <Lullu> dutchfish: i have already resolved the package update issue, but now i am only having host resolve issue. it was working all fine before nextcloud installation.
1772 [13:56:51] <gpunk> have you rebooted since you "finished" the installations ? Lullu
1773 [13:57:22] <Lullu> gpunk Yes
1774 [13:57:54] <gpunk> what's in your /etc/resolv.conf ?
1775 [13:58:42] <lololo> gpunk: It has nothing to do with DNS, I had simmilar problem on my VPS but after changing machine hostname using hostnamectl
1776 [13:59:02] <Lullu> nameserver 80.80.80.80 nameserver 80.80.81.81
1777 [13:59:14] <Lullu> i have tried the google nameserver as well
1778 [13:59:41] <lololo> Lullu: Check what "systemctl startus WEBSERVER -l" is giving you (or any other service that is not running)
1779 [13:59:58] <lololo> Lullu: *has problems with running
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1781 [14:00:17] <dutchfish> Lullu, what dos `ip a` tells you and `ip route` ?
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1783 [14:00:42] <dutchfish> s/dos/does
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1785 [14:00:58] <lololo> Lullu: And stop tweaking DNS'es it's not a DNS issue nor route problem if you can ping or connect via ssh
1786 [14:00:59] <DerLG> foro a moment i forgot what chat i was in
1787 [14:01:14] <lololo> introom: U there?
1788 [14:01:15] <Lullu> Unknown operation 'startus'.
1789 [14:01:27] <gpunk> status *
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1792 [14:01:33] <lololo> Lullu: typo, try with status
1793 [14:01:35] <RoyK> Lullu: do you have general network access, or are you logged into a console of sorts? can you try "host google.com 8.8.8.8" ?
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1795 [14:01:58] <Lullu> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
1796 [14:02:19] <lololo> Lullu: Great, now google this issue : )
1797 [14:02:21] <RoyK> Lullu: some ISPs may block DNS lookups to others servers than their own, or safety
1798 [14:02:42] <Lullu> royK:TBH i have no idea, i am new to Linux, All I Know is i have got vps :)
1799 [14:02:50] <gpunk> Lullu: can you try this systemctl status dbus ?
1800 [14:02:54] <Tarrasquero> systemctl status dbus
1801 [14:03:00] <RoyK> Lullu: can you ssh into it?
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1805 [14:03:23] <Lullu> getting same erre Tarrasquero
1806 [14:03:29] <Lullu> yes RoyK
1807 [14:03:36] <Lullu> error*
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1809 [14:04:19] <RoyK> Lullu: if it's just installed and something went wrong, perhaps time to just reinstall it?
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1812 [14:04:48] <lololo> Lullu: Try: " systemctl start dbus; systemctl status dbus -l"
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1814 [14:05:00] <Lullu> hmm what if i just uninstall nexycloud?
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1816 [14:05:32] <Lullu> lololo: same error message
1817 [14:05:55] <Lullu> Failed to get D-Bus connection: No such file or directory
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1820 [14:06:21] <gpunk> systemctl restart dbus ?
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1822 [14:06:59] <introom> lololo: replaced-url
1823 [14:07:04] <Lullu> no gpunk same eror again
1824 [14:07:06] <introom> that picture? are you using virtio?
1825 [14:07:27] <introom> lololo: like I said, try use -machine-id with qemu 2.6, or before and see if its ok.
1826 [14:07:38] <gpunk> Lullu: I think you need to reinstall your server
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1828 [14:07:55] <Tarrasquero> systemctl start dbus
1829 [14:08:01] <Lullu> oh dear, :(
1830 [14:08:19] <introom> lololo: replaced-url
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1832 [14:08:33] <Tarrasquero> systemctl enable dbus *
1833 [14:08:39] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: Failed to start dbus.service: Unit dbus.service failed to load: No such file or directory
1834 [14:08:51] <gpunk> somthing went wrong during the install ... files are missing
1835 [14:08:54] <Tarrasquero> *enable*
1836 [14:09:12] <Lullu> hmm
1837 [14:09:18] <Tarrasquero> systemctl enable dbus *
1838 [14:09:23] <lololo> introom: What are you talking about? The problem is NOT in KVM, the problem ___is on REMOTE HOST___ running *VMWARE*. Sidenote: In qemu/KVM it is *working*
1839 [14:09:47] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: got same error
1840 [14:10:06] <Tarrasquero> oO
1841 [14:10:18] <gpunk> how about "apt reinstall dbus" if you see what I mean
1842 [14:10:21] <lololo> Lullu: You have to get systemd to stop trying to call dbus, also try reinstalling dbus (apt install --reinstall dbus)
1843 [14:10:29] <Lullu> let me try
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1846 [14:11:33] <introom> lololo: oh. sorry. thought you were doing a nested virtualization, like running qemu/kvm under vmware, which happens to have a bug.
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1848 [14:12:24] <Lullu> nopes
1849 [14:13:09] <Lullu> it's downloading
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1851 [14:13:33] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: sudo dbus-test-tool?
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1854 [14:14:14] <Lullu> sudo: dbus-test-tool: command not found
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1856 [14:14:30] <Tarrasquero> :O
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1858 [14:14:43] <gpunk> did it finish downloading/installing dbus ?
1859 [14:14:48] <Lullu> yes
1860 [14:14:55] <gpunk> retry a restart
1861 [14:14:58] <gpunk> of dbus
1862 [14:15:08] <Lullu> ok
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1864 [14:15:34] <Lullu> Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
1865 [14:16:29] <lololo> introom: Basically the solution to my problem is in short: get debian net install cd to load from HD (using Grub of installed OS). (which is what I'm trying to do by using custom initrd and extracted kernel from that iso
1866 [14:16:38] <lololo> Lullu: Just reboot this machine
1867 [14:17:14] <Lullu> lololo: I have restared it 3 times. :(
1868 [14:17:26] <gpunk> yes , but you need to , after reinstalling dbus
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1870 [14:17:35] <Lullu> ok
1871 [14:18:11] <lololo> Lull: Just curious, are sure you're not running systemctl from *normal* user?
1872 [14:18:38] <lololo> Lullu: ^
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1875 [14:18:54] <Lullu> lololo: yes i am sure, sudo systemctl enable restart
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1879 [14:19:06] <gpunk> so sudo works ?
1880 [14:19:26] <lololo> gpunk: Sudo always works, it was just complaing about hostname
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1882 [14:19:47] <gpunk> i thaught it wasnt ...
1883 [14:19:47] <Lullu> yes sudo workd but getting unable to resolve host server error
1884 [14:19:58] <Lullu> works*
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1886 [14:20:40] <Tarrasquero> sudo apt-get install build−dep dbus?
1887 [14:21:01] <gpunk> hold on we are waiting for a reboot :)
1888 [14:21:29] <Lullu> rebooted but same error: Failed to execute operation: No such file or directory
1889 [14:21:30] <Tarrasquero> sry : sudo apt-get build−dep dbus?
1890 [14:21:41] <Lullu> ok Tarrasquero
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1892 [14:22:28] <lololo> Can you teel me what: stat /bin/init is giving you?
1893 [14:22:52] <lololo> Lullu: ^
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1895 [14:23:34] <gpunk> i'd try to reinstall this too dbus-user-session
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1900 [14:24:54] <Lullu> init: No such file or directory
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1902 [14:25:23] <Lullu> Unable to locate package build-dep
1903 [14:25:35] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
1904 [14:25:38] <RoyK> Lullu: just reinstall the thing - probably easier
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1906 [14:26:09] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: just blank
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1908 [14:26:18] <Lullu> RoyK: guess you are right
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1910 [14:26:38] <gpunk> we could reinstall this too systemd-sysv
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1912 [14:26:49] <dutchfish> Make sure you have a stic ip assigned before you run the install again!
1913 [14:26:57] <dutchfish> static*
1914 [14:27:09] <Lullu> yeah sure
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1919 [14:28:19] <Lullu> well, Thank you so much guys for all your help, time to reinstall and start from zero again. :(
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1921 [14:28:38] <gpunk> dont worry , that s how we all learned ;)
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1924 [14:28:52] <Lullu> lol, true.
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1926 [14:30:34] <Iridos> or did we
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1930 [14:31:48] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo XDG_RUNTIME_DIR?
1931 [14:32:02] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: echo $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR sry
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1933 [14:34:37] <Tarrasquero> easier printevn lol
1934 [14:35:23] <Tarrasquero> easier printenv* lol
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1937 [14:37:57] <Lullu> Tarrasquero: not displaying anything.
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1940 [14:39:26] <Tarrasquero> :O
1941 [14:39:43] <Tarrasquero> Lullu: bad
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1943 [14:40:16] <Lullu> backuping up home folder & reinstalling :)
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1946 [14:40:57] <Lullu> and I am not going to install Nextcloud again...never :P
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1949 [14:42:16] <Tarrasquero> Environment bad
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1957 [14:44:29] <lololo> Lullu: I think that it has something to do with using really old system.
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1959 [14:44:42] <lololo> Lullu just use debian 9...
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1962 [14:46:43] <Lullu> lololo: I'll definitely install Debian 9 now.
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1986 [14:57:41] <piyush-kurur> any one managed to get X1 Carbon 5th Gen working with debian stable. Everything works but for grub installation.
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1988 [14:59:20] <piyush-kurur> I even tried getting a root shell and doing the update-grub sequence
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1990 [14:59:56] <piyush-kurur> it seems to me that efibootmgr is not able to update the boot sequence.
1991 [15:00:11] <Tarrasquero> piyush-kurur: replaced-url
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2002 [15:03:12] <piyush-kurur> Tarrasquero: it seems to me efibootmgr is not able to update the boot sequence. What should I be looking for
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2007 [15:06:10] <Tarrasquero> what hard disk capacity does it have?
2008 [15:06:24] <piyush-kurur> SSD drive about 512 GB
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2011 [15:06:55] <piyush-kurur> I tried the legacy bios as well where grub installation goes fine
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2014 [15:07:24] <Tarrasquero> revisa las opciones del bios seccion uefi
2015 [15:07:25] <piyush-kurur> but then the grub menu never apears
2016 [15:07:38] <Tarrasquero> review the bios options uefi section
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2020 [15:08:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, is there a secure boot option in your bios, if so, what setting does it have?
2021 [15:08:35] <piyush-kurur> okey I will look into it. (Note I have disabled Secure boo)
2022 [15:08:53] <piyush-kurur> duckydan: secure boot is disabled
2023 [15:09:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, was it during install?
2024 [15:09:45] <piyush-kurur> as suggested by replaced-url
2025 [15:10:14] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I disabled it first and then booted the usb installation
2026 [15:10:50] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok. Next, does it have enough free space?
2027 [15:11:06] <dutchfish> (UEFI)
2028 [15:11:10] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: you mean the efi partition
2029 [15:11:12] <piyush-kurur> ?
2030 [15:11:15] <dutchfish> yes
2031 [15:11:37] <piyush-kurur> I remember puting about 512 MB is that enough ?
2032 [15:12:11] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, that depends totally (if you want a dual boot system) what the other OS has claimed
2033 [15:12:13] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I think I have fried the original uefi partition which has windows boot loader I guess that is fine (I do not care about windows)
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2035 [15:12:42] <piyush-kurur> No I do not want dual boot only Debian for me
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2039 [15:14:13] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, you could then manually add a debian boot line inside your bios for the bootlaoder to load, leave the efi partition intact, i assume you have made a backup before you started.
2040 [15:15:06] <piyush-kurur> you mean I can do it from the bios ?
2041 [15:15:11] <dutchfish> yes
2042 [15:15:28] <piyush-kurur> let me try will get back to you
2043 [15:15:41] <dutchfish> gl, and be carefull
2044 [15:15:47] <piyush-kurur> one more question the fonts are pretty small
2045 [15:15:50] <RoyK> 512MB for the EFI partition seems to me rather overkill
2046 [15:15:58] <piyush-kurur> is there any way to make it bigger
2047 [15:16:01] <piyush-kurur> ?
2048 [15:16:29] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, not easely, but it can be done
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2050 [15:16:40] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, first check if you need that
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2052 [15:17:04] <piyush-kurur> Okey let me try. Thanks all of you
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2055 [15:17:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, most of the time the installer chokes not at that part, but at adding the newly created boot option in the bios as a valid option (you can do that manually)
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2104 [15:46:46] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: sorry did not work. I mean the bios setup does not seem to have any way to add a line
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2106 [15:47:07] <piyush-kurur> I tried booting in the rescue mode and doing the efibootmgr by hand
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2111 [15:47:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok
2112 [15:47:46] <piyush-kurur> even that does not seem to work (saying something like boot variables are impossible to update)
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2116 [15:48:17] <piyush-kurur> is legacy boot an option ? (Since I do not care about dual boot and I do not have a +2TB drive
2117 [15:48:28] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, you are using the Debian stable installer?
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2120 [15:48:46] <piyush-kurur> yeah + firmware for wifi on a separate disk
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2122 [15:48:53] <dutchfish> ok
2123 [15:49:12] <piyush-kurur> every thing works because I chrooted to the installed system but for grub
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2128 [15:50:39] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, what hardware you are exactly using?
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2130 [15:50:54] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, make and model?
2131 [15:50:56] <piyush-kurur> X1 Carbon 5th Gen
2132 [15:51:00] <piyush-kurur> Lenovo
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2139 [15:53:35] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, do you get the error: prefix not set thing?
2140 [15:53:46] <dutchfish> (on boot)
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2146 [15:55:21] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: I get a Lenovo flash image and then some menu choose a device.
2147 [15:55:31] <piyush-kurur> Except that not choice there wors
2148 [15:55:36] <piyush-kurur> *works
2149 [15:55:47] <piyush-kurur> This is if I do not enter setup
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2151 [15:56:07] <piyush-kurur> There is no error message at all
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2154 [15:56:32] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok
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2160 [15:57:43] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, then apprently the efi file is not in place, see: replaced-url
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2163 [15:59:07] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, but beofre doing that, check if you can find it in the wrong place
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2166 [15:59:24] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, in the efi partition
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2172 [16:01:13] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, also replaced-url
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2178 [16:02:36] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, is your system GPT?
2179 [16:04:03] <piyush-kurur> Yes I think so.
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2181 [16:04:18] <piyush-kurur> I will boot into rescue and check
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2204 [16:11:43] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: it is GPT, I confirmed with parted
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2206 [16:12:02] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, ok, read up the last link i pasted
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2208 [16:12:12] <piyush-kurur> yeah okey I will try it
2209 [16:12:18] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, thats your problem
2210 [16:12:27] <piyush-kurur> I guess the summary is move to mbr ?
2211 [16:12:48] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, yes, so grub can write too it
2212 [16:13:22] <piyush-kurur> dutchfish: but I thought uefi needs gpt partitions no ?
2213 [16:13:35] <piyush-kurur> or was a confusing some thing
2214 [16:13:37] <piyush-kurur> ?
2215 [16:13:55] <dutchfish> piyush-kurur, read that link, it explains legacy boot
2216 [16:14:01] <piyush-kurur> okey thanks
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2218 [16:14:13] <dutchfish> yw
2219 [16:14:14] <piyush-kurur> If it works you are my god
2220 [16:14:19] <piyush-kurur> ;-)
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2222 [16:16:28] <mirak> I have issues with running efibootmgr in chroot
2223 [16:16:28] <mirak> it seems not in sync with what is inside or outside the chroot
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2229 [16:21:14] <dutchfish> mirak, have you tried (as root) `sync && sync` ?
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2231 [16:21:52] <dutchfish> mirak, its a deferred write, possibly.
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2233 [16:22:21] <mirak> dutchfish, ok
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2236 [16:24:05] <mirak> dutchfish, i don't really see how, because with chroot it's the same kernel and same file system
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2238 [16:24:37] <dutchfish> mirak, but a different container space ....
2239 [16:25:20] <mirak> true, but i have 3 chroot right now
2240 [16:25:26] <mirak> they all see the same thing
2241 [16:25:33] <dutchfish> mirak, this is just all a wild gues, since i have no idea what you are trying to do.
2242 [16:25:37] <mirak> but the non chroot host doesn't see the changes
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2244 [16:25:54] <mirak> dutchfish, I just run grub-install inside chroot on uefi system
2245 [16:25:56] <lololo> introom: I found a solution! :D I couldn't get custom initramfs to work, but I got grub to boot ISO from HD, so when debian installer dropped me into a shell (because it couldnt mount cdrom because it's not existing) i tried to use wget, guess what, it works! So, now i can download debian net install iso into / of this "booted" system and use mount -o loop /debian.iso /cdrom :D
2246 [16:26:11] <mirak> dutchfish, the i check with efibootmgr
2247 [16:26:15] <mirak> dutchfish, then i check with efibootmgr
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2251 [16:27:41] <dutchfish> mirak, i have no clue, sorry
2252 [16:28:00] <lololo> introom: FML... networking is not working on that level :|
2253 [16:29:13] <dutchfish> mirak, first things to check is libc6 differences and all the dependecies for a base install, if one doesnt match .....
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2256 [16:30:13] <mirak> ok
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2259 [16:30:26] <introom> wish you good luck. ;).
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2395 [17:29:50] <_abc_> Hello. Can someone look what version of wings3d is in jessie? Am not on debian now.
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2398 [17:30:48] <LtL> ,v wings3d
2399 [17:30:49] <judd> Package: wings3d on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.4.1-4; jessie: 1.5.3-2+b1; stretch: 2.1.5-1; buster: 2.1.5-3; sid: 2.1.5-3
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2401 [17:31:07] <mnuhmnuh> apt-cache policy ...
2402 [17:31:31] <LtL> _abc_: jessie: 1.5.3-2+b1
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2443 [17:58:38] <_abc_> Thanks.
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2445 [17:58:51] <_abc_> Is art of illusion also present? What version?
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2447 [17:58:53] <_abc_> ,v aoi
2448 [17:58:54] <judd> No package named 'aoi' was found in amd64.
2449 [17:58:58] <_abc_> oops
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2451 [17:59:53] <_abc_> I have aoi on etch (haha) it's v2.8.1 from ~2010 ?
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2456 [18:00:57] <_abc_> aoi license is GPL 2 should be in debian
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2459 [18:01:41] <_abc_> It is a java program, requires some version of java installed.
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2463 [18:02:47] <jelly> judd: bug rm aoi
2464 [18:02:49] <judd> Sorry, no removal reasons were found.
2465 [18:02:58] <_abc_> hm
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2469 [18:03:23] <_abc_> current is v3.0.3, Dec. 12, 2016
2470 [18:03:33] <jhutchins> _abc_: Possibly not from debian?
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2472 [18:03:45] <_abc_> Maybe I installed it manually. No idea. 8 years ago...
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2474 [18:04:08] <_abc_> Last touched the launcher shell script in 2011
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2480 [18:04:55] <_abc_> Anyway, it's just a java program launched by a .sh file. No problems installing it from 'source'
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2489 [18:07:39] <_abc_> wings3d.org is a domain squatter, btw.
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2505 [18:12:44] <_abc_> ,v freecad
2506 [18:12:45] <judd> Package: freecad on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.14.3702+dfsg-3; jessie-backports: 0.16+dfsg2-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 0.16+dfsg2-3; sid: 0.16.6712+dfsg1-1+b2
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2508 [18:12:55] <_abc_> interesting.
2509 [18:13:10] <_abc_> ,v blender
2510 [18:13:11] <judd> Package: blender on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.63a-1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.72.b+dfsg0-3; jessie-backports: 2.74+dfsg0-4~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.78.a+dfsg0-4; buster: 2.79+dfsg0-3; sid: 2.79+dfsg0-3
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2618 [18:56:55] <Razva> hey guys! is there any way to boot the Debian installer (NOT the Debian OS!) with a +4.11 kernel? I'm trying to install it on a MacBook Pro 2016 and the NVME is detected by +4.11 kernels... :\
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2626 [19:02:06] <rawruw> df
2627 [19:02:18] <Razva> rawruw: ?
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2630 [19:03:34] <rawruw> Razva: modern debian disk image on an usb-stick and then boot the installer from there?
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2632 [19:04:08] <Razva> rawruw: yeah but it seems that the latest Debian installer uses 4.9
2633 [19:04:16] <rawruw> Razva: if the 4.11 kernel isn't in a new debian image, maybe one of the experimental/unstable debians will work?
2634 [19:04:17] <Razva> I need 4.11 or newer :\
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2641 [19:06:13] <rawruw> Razva: another linux dist is also possible :P
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2643 [19:06:34] <rawruw> but.. are you sure you can't just install a driver or something? apt install driver
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2647 [19:08:55] <rawruw> Razva: #archlinux
2648 [19:09:01] <rawruw> they're using 4.13
2649 [19:09:16] <Razva> installer is still on 4.9 I think
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2651 [19:09:36] <lololo> Ok, I'm done with tweaking initrd on my own, can anyone help me with that? I'm getting kernel panic "failed to execute /init (error -2)" but init *is there* and I'm *sure it's accessible* What am I doing wrong? I only added ONE FILE to the initrd image and it stopped working.
2652 [19:09:42] <Razva> I think I found a patch, but I need to boot the installer with some args. any hints on how to do it?
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2656 [19:10:09] <Razva> quoting "you'll need the following kernel param to boot properly: intremap=nosid"
2657 [19:10:16] <petn-randall> Razva: You could boot the buster installer, and use debootstrap to install a stable with a backports kernel.
2658 [19:10:27] <Razva> so I need to boot the installer, from the USB, with "intremap=nosid"
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2660 [19:10:40] <petn-randall> Razva: It's not that trivial, though, since you have to do all the partitioning and grub installation by hand.
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2662 [19:10:43] <petn-randall> !debootstrap
2663 [19:10:43] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
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2665 [19:11:26] <mnuhmnuh> lololo: when you solve it, let me know. i've a box that panics on everything i try to install on it. hardware! ptheh.
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2670 [19:13:21] <jelly> Razva: try devel builds of d-i
2671 [19:13:27] <lololo> Is here any debian dev online?
2672 [19:13:38] <Razva> jelly: ?
2673 [19:13:44] <Razva> devel ISOs?
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2680 [19:14:51] <jelly> !testing installer
2681 [19:14:51] <dpkg> Repeat after me: the testing installer is for testing the <installer>, not for installing <testing>. To install testing, do a minimal installation using the <stable> installer and ask me about <stable->testing>. Installer bugs should be filed against the debian-installer pseudopackage. replaced-url
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2683 [19:16:02] <lololo> Hint: debian-installer is a total shit, I learned it yesterday.
2684 [19:16:17] <petn-randall> lololo: Probably a around hundred, but how would that help you?
2685 [19:16:23] * Razva is processing
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2689 [19:17:09] <Razva> ok so the testing installer is some kind of Alpha installer for debian stable?
2690 [19:17:21] <lololo> petn-randall: Because maybe someone will tell me why my method of making custom initrd for booting net install cd stopped working.
2691 [19:17:38] <Razva> petn-randall: am I right or wrong?
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2693 [19:18:21] <petn-randall> lololo: Probably because a lot of things changes in the testing installer. Why are you customizing it in the first place?
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2700 [19:20:42] <lololo> petn-randall: Are you sure that you're replying to the right person? I'm not using testing installer, I'm trying to make net install work while being booted from HD instead of cd-rom (I'm installing debian on remote host VM (VMWare guest) and I have only VNC access to that VM). So I'm trying to make initrd that includes debian iso which for some reason debian installer needs to have.
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2703 [19:21:56] <petn-randall> lololo: And your method worked before, and now stopped working?
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2705 [19:24:02] <lololo> petn-randall: Also, "error -2" as I remember menas that for some reason file cannot be accessed, and that makes totaly no sense, init is include in that image, I even unpacked it and it is there. ;;;; Yes, I replaced Ubuntu in vbox and other debian installtion in KVM yesterday.
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2707 [19:24:23] <petn-randall> lololo: You didn't answer my question, though.
2708 [19:24:41] <petn-randall> lololo: Did your method (whatever it is) work before for the debian installer, and now stopped working?
2709 [19:24:56] <Razva> petn-randall: can you please let me know if the link you've kindly provided offers an alpha *installer* or installs an alpha version of debian? :)
2710 [19:25:06] <lololo> Yes. I said that after ";;;;".
2711 [19:25:16] <lololo> petn-randall: ^
2712 [19:25:47] <petn-randall> Razva: Yes, that would install Debian testing. I don't remember, but there might be an option to install stable, too. Just try it out.
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2714 [19:25:56] <Razva> got you
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2718 [19:26:27] <Razva> I'll also give Arch a shot, it seems that they might have some installer (Revenge Installer, weird name) that might use 4.11+
2719 [19:26:55] <petn-randall> Razva: It would at least get you to boot, and even if it only offers testing, you'd still be able to use debootstrap to make a stable installation.
2720 [19:26:58] <Razva> but first I'll try to boot Debian with that arg. can you please let me know how can I add an arg to the boot installer?
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2723 [19:27:35] <Razva> I need to add "intremap=nosid" when booting the *installer*
2724 [19:27:39] <petn-randall> Razva: When the option in the boot menu show up, you should be able to press "e" to edit the boot options and add it there.
2725 [19:27:42] <Razva> press "e" as for other distros?
2726 [19:27:48] <Razva> got it, thanks! :)
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2730 [19:29:00] <lololo> petn-randall: And about "my method" I'm just mount the net install iso, copying install.amd/{vmlinuz,initrd} to /boot/reinstall ; then I'm editing the initrd (I'm only putting that .iso in the root of that initrd image), packing again and I'm trying to run this kernel with edited initrd from grub. Then it fails.
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2734 [19:29:49] <petn-randall> lololo: That's not a supported installation method. What is stopping you from just booting the iso in the vmware guest?
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2737 [19:30:24] <lololo> petn-randall: Probably no access to anything except VNC and "reset" switch.
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2739 [19:30:48] <petn-randall> lololo: Looks like that is your actual problem.
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2744 [19:32:30] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes, I know, but that initrd still should be operational, if it's not wotking after doing what I did then something is not ok with tools present on debian or the iso itself.
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2747 [19:32:37] <Razva> I guess that I need to add the args on the "linux" line, not on the "set" or "initrd" right?
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2750 [19:33:46] <Razva> Right? replaced-url
2751 [19:33:49] <petn-randall> Razva: Yes, on the linux line.
2752 [19:34:01] <Razva> Let's see fingers crossed
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2755 [19:34:36] <petn-randall> lololo: What makes you think that? You're doing a completely unsupported thing with the initrd, and put the blame on Debian for it failing to work. I don't know what you're expecting here.
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2758 [19:35:07] <lololo> petn-randall: So, what is the "supported" way of editing initrd on debian then?
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2765 [19:36:47] <Razva> Now *that* is what I call "small fonts" :)) replaced-url
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2768 [19:37:13] <lololo> petn-randall: I'm not blaming debian for anything, I'm just searching everywhere why this initrd is "bad" and kernel is not seeing "init" in the root of that thing. That's my problem.
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2772 [19:38:04] <petn-randall> lololo: Have you looked at the installation manual yet? replaced-url
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2774 [19:38:14] <petn-randall> lololo: Those are the supported installation methods.
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2779 [19:39:07] <mnuhmnuh> lololo: for devs, try #debian-mentors; maybe only on oftc, dunno.
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2787 [19:40:04] <petn-randall> mnuhmnuh: That's not the right channel, lololo doesn't want to package anything, they're trying to install Debian in a very contrived way.
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2790 [19:40:32] <shtrb> Is there a debian service that allow someone build a kernel with just different config options ?
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2792 [19:40:42] <Razva> Nope, doesn't works. :/
2793 [19:40:49] <lololo> petn-randall: That is documentation from where I got the Idea of unpacking vmlinuz and initrd from .iso file (and telling grub to use that).
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2795 [19:41:23] <lololo> mnuhmnuh: Thanks, I'll look there in a minute
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2799 [19:43:41] <lololo> petn-randall: And please, stop talking about "installing debian in unsupported way"; I'm not asking on how to do that, I'm asking precisely why this initrd is broken after editing, and what is the right way of putting it together.
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2805 [19:45:42] <petn-randall> lololo: Does it boot if you don't edit the initrd.gz?
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2807 [19:45:58] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes it does.
2808 [19:46:22] <petn-randall> lololo: Then it sounds like *you're* breaking something, and not Debian.
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2810 [19:46:49] <lololo> petn-randall: Then that's why I'm asking what could I break and how to not break this something.
2811 [19:47:36] <petn-randall> lololo: Why are you editing the initrd.gz?
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2819 [19:49:40] <lololo> petn-randall: Because if I don't edit it then the installator complains about lack of cdrom and it cant load files from there. When I included netinstall iso in that initrd i was escaping to shell and mounting that iso to location where the installer wanted to mount that cdrom.
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2825 [19:51:27] <lololo> petn-randall: You may ask why I just not mount /dev/sda1 and copy that .iso to ram, and then mount it as I said previously. The answer is very simple: I cannot mount /dev/sda1 because mount hangs forever when I try doing that.
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2827 [19:52:42] <lololo> mnuhmnuh: That channel is invite-only :C
2828 [19:52:48] <petn-randall> lololo: The link I pointed you to solves just that problem. Having you tried doing it like documentation?
2829 [19:53:00] <Razva> petn-randall: worked with Ubuntu 17 :/ So I guess their installer uses 4.11+
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2832 [19:53:37] <petn-randall> Razva: Most likely, Debian stretch is not as current.
2833 [19:53:42] <Razva> But I wanted Debian not Ubuntu!
2834 [19:53:46] <Razva> Darn.
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2838 [19:54:16] <petn-randall> Razva: You can always use the live image to debootstrap your system. It's a little more work, but if you're used to Debian, it should be too difficult.
2839 [19:54:31] <petn-randall> *shouldn't
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2844 [19:55:20] <Razva> Yeah I'll give it a shot
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2847 [19:55:56] <Razva> But for now I'm curious if I'll be able to at least have a functional Linux (any!) on this MBP 13,1
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2849 [19:56:17] <petn-randall> Razva: You should be able to deboostrap a current stable, then chroot into it and install a newer kernel from stretch-backports.
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2852 [19:56:26] <Razva> In theory I should but...
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2855 [19:57:25] <petn-randall> Razva: If the buster live image works, it'll likely also work with stable + backports kernel. At least from the point of hardware enablement.
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2859 [19:59:28] <lololo> petn-randall: as I said - When I'm doing exacly that I can't install debian because it searches for that CD-ROM <end of step 1> When I follow the installer it wasks me about cdrom, I don't have one, so it fails, drops me to shell, then I'm trying to mount /dev/sda1 [to copy that .iso and mount the .iso itself to location where installer expects it], mount just hangs forever<end of step 2> Then I got idea
2860 [19:59:34] <lololo> of just including this .iso file into initrd <end of step 3> now initrd is not working anymore, kernel cannot find init in this initrd image.
2861 [20:00:02] <petn-randall> lololo: Which method are you using? The docs mention several.
2862 [20:00:21] <lololo> petn-randall: 5.1.5. Booting from Linux using LILO or GRUB
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2864 [20:01:04] <lololo> petn-randall: Also - I;m using debian 9, you sent me docs for debian 8.
2865 [20:01:40] <petn-randall> lololo: Debian 9 is stretch, isn't it?
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2867 [20:02:14] <petn-randall> lololo: So section 5.1.5 mentions using several different initramfs and kernels, which one did you pick?
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2871 [20:05:22] <lololo> petn-randall: replaced-url
2872 [20:05:24] * petn-randall still believes that booting the vmware guest from the iso is easier.
2873 [20:06:37] <lololo> petn-randall: Yes, it is easier and I would do that if I could. But my problem is all about initrd being broken after editing it.
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2875 [20:07:55] <petn-randall> lololo: Why can't you boot from an iso?
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2877 [20:08:07] <lololo> petn-randall: All I really need is a way to edit initrd in a way that it would still work, but for whatever reason it just breaks, I mean, the kernel starts complaining, because after unpacking it all files are fine in locations where they should be.
2878 [20:08:26] <lololo> petn-randall: I told you already several times: I cant because I dont have acces to that "feature"
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2880 [20:08:47] <petn-randall> No idea then.
2881 [20:08:48] <mirko> adding "DROPBEAR=y" to /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf results in update-initramfs telling me "dropbear: WARNING: Setting DROPBEAR in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf is deprecated and will be ignored in a future release", however - unlike defining "CRYPTSETUP=y" - doesn't provide me with a hint for the "new" way. What *is* the new way?
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2883 [20:10:14] <petn-randall> mirko: The new way is installing "dropbear-initramfs".
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2887 [20:10:40] <clipcomp> you people should be shot and shot to death violently and tortured for refusing to accept somebody's hard work not business related at all and completely unrelated to anybody who works with anyone else like a group and is alone and not spamming
2888 [20:10:40] <mirko> petn-randall: ah, interesting. i honestly searched actively and didn't find any note on this
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2890 [20:11:02] <mirko> what the.. ?
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2892 [20:11:27] <petn-randall> Random weirdos spam the channel sometimes, please ignore.
2893 [20:11:53] <mirko> petn-randall: proposing the new solution - like it's done with CRYPTSETUP=y - might be a good idea i think
2894 [20:12:11] <petn-randall> mirko: Feel free to file a bug report, it's a good idea.
2895 [20:12:28] <petn-randall> (or check if it's already been filed)
2896 [20:13:28] <mirko> apart from that, since using debian on ARM boards i noticed the flash-kernel package is horribly broken. the way to report that is also the global debian bug tracker or is there like a sub-forum/-mailinglist/-channel for such aprtivular platform related issues to reach?
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2900 [20:15:40] <petn-randall> mirko: Any bugs should always be reported via the BTS, yes. However, there are several IRC channels where people interested in a sub-topic hang out in.
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2902 [20:15:59] <petn-randall> !arm
2903 [20:15:59] <dpkg> Advanced RISC Machine (ARM) is a processor architecture. The Debian arm port was deprecated at 5.0 "Lenny" with official support dropped at 6.0 "Squeeze", ask me about <armel> for the replacement port. See also <armhf>. replaced-url
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2905 [20:16:10] <petn-randall> mirko: ^^^ note that it's a different IRC network.
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2907 [20:17:10] <mirko> petn-randall: thanks!
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2909 [20:18:08] <simulant_> Hi can anyone help at all. I have Debian Jessie and running RAID1. The system gets stuck at initramfs at boot and doesn't continue. I get this error (minus the duplicate entries part which I fixed): replaced-url
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2911 [20:18:26] <simulant_> I can get it to continue to boot following these steps: replaced-url
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2913 [20:18:41] <simulant_> but then I have to do those steps again next reboot and every time I boot up!!
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2916 [20:18:57] <simulant_> I wondered if anyone may be able to help get this fixed for good?
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2919 [20:20:09] <JLprim> afternoon all
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2921 [20:20:51] <JLprim> Looking for the eisyest program to back up files to a 4tb external hard drive gui prefered any sugestions?
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2929 [20:25:00] <well_laid_lawn> what's wrong with good ol' cp ?
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2931 [20:25:47] <mirko> petn-randall: re different irc networks: which #debian is channel is the "more official" one? i just noticed there's also one on oftc(?)
2932 [20:25:52] <petn-randall> well_laid_lawn: It's not really space efficient.
2933 [20:26:02] <petn-randall> !oftc mvoe
2934 [20:26:05] <shtrb> lololo , JLprim , tar it
2935 [20:26:16] <petn-randall> !oftc move
2936 [20:26:17] <dpkg> irc.debian.org moved to OFTC on June 4th 2006, see replaced-url
2937 [20:26:20] <shtrb> sorry , JLprin , tar it
2938 [20:26:20] <petn-randall> mirko: ^^^
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2940 [20:26:36] <JLprim> tar what
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2942 [20:27:02] <JLprim> i need to be able to remove the hard drive and access the info from other computers as well
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2944 [20:27:20] <petn-randall> JLprim: There are several options, depending on if you want to use the command line or not: rdiff-backup, duplicity, dejadup, ...
2945 [20:27:23] <shtrb> A good way to transfer many files is to tar it and move the tar to the destination (if the disk is connected over network )
2946 [20:27:43] <JLprim> rather not use cmand line as im not good with it
2947 [20:27:59] <mirko> petn-randall: i see
2948 [20:28:10] <shtrb> JLprim , the disk is connected directly or over network ?
2949 [20:28:11] <JLprim> #shtrb oh ok
2950 [20:28:19] <JLprim> directly
2951 [20:28:39] <well_laid_lawn> open two file managers and drag'n'drop
2952 [20:28:46] <mirko> about the dropbear initramfs part - the interface and its IP config is still being done in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf ?
2953 [20:28:49] <shtrb> make sure you select COPY
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2955 [20:29:16] <JLprim> I would like to be able to have it auto back up once a week and such
2956 [20:29:35] <shtrb> use some cron like approach (a script )
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2959 [20:30:16] <petn-randall> JLprim: IIRC deja-dup can do that.
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2961 [20:30:59] <petn-randall> JLprim: You'll still have to manually plug in the backup device, though. I wouldn't call it backup if it's permanently plugged in ...
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2966 [20:32:33] <JLprim> well its an external and its backing it up with the posobility of removal if i needed to move the info to another computer.
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2971 [20:33:27] <petn-randall> JLprim: Sure, just keep in mind that your backed up data is also gone if you have it plugged in and accidentally typo as root.
2972 [20:33:30] <JLprim> i will still be saving everything on the main hard drive.. at least till it gets full anyway so this would just be a coppie of the video and pictures files and maybe documents
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2975 [20:33:55] <petn-randall> !qotd126
2976 [20:33:56] <dpkg> <helios> sorry for my english: I was rushing on my prompt (silly me!) and just stopped in time an "rm -rf /etc"...but I deleted all /etc/init* files and dirs <asg> helios: restore from backups. <helios> asg, backups?
2977 [20:34:30] <shtrb> lol
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2979 [20:34:33] <JLprim> @ pet-randall ok ill remember that if I ever do anything in root I will unplug the 4tb hard drive before hand
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2982 [20:35:00] <shtrb> JLprim , there is always the bumblebee case
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2985 [20:35:29] <JLprim> bumblebee case?
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2991 [20:36:40] <shtrb> Sorry , not bumblebee , there was a package that deleted /usr because of a an extra space in one of it's scripts
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2996 [20:38:20] <JLprim> oh i see lol
2997 [20:38:33] <petn-randall> Ubuntu also had a system script that wiped / completely because it relied on a environment var being set to not do that.
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2999 [20:39:06] <petn-randall> JLprim: Point is, it's only really a backup if it's physically separate from the system. Otherwise any thing that wipes your system can also wipe your backup.
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3002 [20:39:48] <shtrb> JLprim , replaced-url
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3004 [20:40:40] <somiaj> some consider needing an offsite backup, in case of a fire burning down the building that the servers are in.
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3006 [20:42:11] <lololo> somiaj Actually that's not that uneven to happen as you might think
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3010 [20:44:16] <mspo> that is pretty common is bad "package" and "add-on" systems
3011 [20:44:22] <mspo> newrelic had a bunch of issues with it too
3012 [20:44:23] <mspo> many games
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3014 [20:44:44] <mspo> defensive shell scripting isn't a skill many people use :)
3015 [20:44:47] <JLprim> Somiaj yea if i had the resources to do that i probably would however righ now thats not possible
3016 [20:45:54] <somiaj> JLprim: a quote I heard once is consider any data lost that is not backuped in at least 3 different places. So a lot depends on how much you value your data. I'm not the best at it, but I have various usb drives floating around with snapshots just in case.
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3018 [20:47:03] <shtrb> somiaj , but how much do you check the backup drives still work ?
3019 [20:47:18] <JLprim> I might do a few snapshot thumb drives eventualy as well and yea i cant do 3 right now and its not life and death if i did loose the datta it would just really really suck
3020 [20:47:36] <JLprim> its pictures and video audio from my youtube channel
3021 [20:47:52] <somiaj> shtrb: not often enough. My backup policy is actually fairl poor given what I know. (well for personal stuff, work stuff is rsynced between my home desktop, work desktop, backup server and laptop regurally)
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3023 [20:48:23] <shtrb> somaij , I asked because not so long ago I learned my backup disks died
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3025 [20:48:47] <somiaj> JLprim: in some cases youtube is a backup. Problem with my pictures is the ones I put on the web are lower resolution (for size reasons) and thus not a good backup.
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3028 [20:50:13] <somiaj> another thing to consider about backup, is it an image or a full backup (means you can recver any version of any file that was backed up over time). Problem with automatic snapshots, is if the original is zeroed out, the scripts can copy this to the backup, thus erasing the data despite it being backuped.
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3032 [20:51:12] <shtrb> I think there was an arduino based cd writer / disk mover in hackaday some time ago
3033 [20:51:15] <lololo> petn-randall: I got it to work! :D Everything that was needed was to gzip that initrd
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3146 [22:01:07] <d3l1ght> hi guys
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3148 [22:01:12] <d3l1ght> anyone trying openrc on debian ?
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3160 [22:04:41] <somiaj> d3l1ght: I'm sure someone has tried it, but I don't think many use it. Partially because I don't think any (or very few) packages ship with openrc scripts by default.
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3165 [22:05:22] <somiaj> d3l1ght: note, you'll have to deal with systemd in this, this factoid will contain some info about it. It is for sysvinit, but I think some of it will carry over to openrc
3166 [22:05:25] <somiaj> !remove systemd
3167 [22:05:25] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
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3172 [22:06:38] <d3l1ght> thanks guys
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3174 [22:07:25] <d3l1ght> just wondering if in the future will exist the posibility to choose an init system
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3191 [22:22:20] <melissa_> Hello. I have an Intel Skylake Pentium CPU. Oftentimes Adobe Flash causes my entire system to freeze and I have to reboot. Is this normal?
3192 [22:22:34] <melissa_> I figured Skylake chips would be fast enough not to freeze.
3193 [22:22:52] <petn-randall> melissa_: I'd just not use Adobe Flash.
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3195 [22:24:33] <awwal> melissa_, do you really need flash since almost all websites are using html5?
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3197 [22:25:30] <shtrb> melissa_ , you can play with the hardware settings of adobe
3198 [22:25:45] <melissa_> The question is whether or not that is normal.
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3200 [22:26:24] <awwal> adobe flash plugin is not supported/maintained by Debian, flash-plugin-nonfree or pepperflashplugin-nonfree are just there for download the plugin for you from adobe website
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3202 [22:27:07] <shtrb> melissa_ , if you install flash you should be thankfull you didn't get your system blown to pieces (anything is possible , it is closed source )
3203 [22:29:13] <awwal> melissa_, I guess sometimes you run "update-flashplugin-nonfree --install" for firefox or "update-pepperflashplugin-nonfree --install" for chromium, for get latest versions of adobe flash
3204 [22:29:39] <awwal> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3205 [22:29:40] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
3206 [22:29:51] <awwal> not in stretch
3207 [22:30:04] <awwal> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
3208 [22:30:05] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
3209 [22:30:16] <awwal> also not
3210 [22:30:38] <awwal> so, nvm if running stretch
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3275 [23:06:43] <Megaf> hm, almost no seeders for Debian DVD with the non free firmware...
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3277 [23:07:01] <Megaf> Here is teh magnet if you want to help seeding
3278 [23:07:02] <Megaf> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:9575c2600b1e9a94ea58357120cc0dd391944e08&dn=firmware-9.3.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso&tr=http%3A%2F%2Fbttracker.debian.org%3A6969%2Fannounce
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3281 [23:07:31] <Megaf> and here the torrent file replaced-url
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3285 [23:08:01] <Megaf> There's only two peers for me
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3293 [23:14:17] <siim_> anyone have any hints for what could be causing "AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0" for X? more logs here: replaced-url
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3315 [23:28:34] <siim_> ah, managed to get it fixed, thought it must have been a previous update as a new update fixed it, I don't restart often so these things creep up
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3322 [23:34:34] <vivus> How do I enable SSH on Debian stretch?
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3324 [23:34:42] <vivus> I tried editing the rc.local file
3325 [23:34:57] <epsilon> do you have it installed?
3326 [23:35:31] <epsilon> package openssh-server
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3328 [23:35:53] <vivus> yeah its on my raspberry Pi.
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3331 [23:37:35] <vivus> epsilon: is this code correct: replaced-url
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3336 [23:39:28] <epsilon> vivus: raspi-config, there is an option to install/enable ssh
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3338 [23:40:02] <vivus> epsilon: where is that file?
3339 [23:40:12] <epsilon> run raspi-config as root
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3342 [23:40:27] <vivus> epsilon: I cannot access the Pi itself, so I am trying to enable SSH remotely
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3344 [23:40:56] <vivus> I've run through the regular troubleshooting issues, so enabling it manually is my next test to determine if the Pi is faulty
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3356 [23:44:52] <darksec> Any hacktivists active?
3357 [23:45:03] <vivus> wrong channel
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3359 [23:45:50] <darksec> ooh my bad
3360 [23:46:34] <darksec> although i do have one question that relates to debian GNU/Kali-linux rolling
3361 [23:46:44] <vivus> what's that
3362 [23:48:55] <darksec> Im always experiencing crashes and long system pauses, its nothing to do with hardware the os is installed on the hard disk, any ideas?
3363 [23:49:40] <mtn> !kali
3364 [23:49:40] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3365 [23:49:44] <vivus> that's like going into the void
3366 [23:49:52] <vivus> you'll need to provide error outputs
3367 [23:50:02] <mtn> vivus: wrong channel
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3370 [23:50:28] <vivus> I think we have already determined that mtn . thanks for the enthusiasm though
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3372 [23:50:47] <uRock> When entering a file path in smb.conf, should directories with spaces in them be entered as "Folder\ Name" or just "Folder Name"?
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3375 [23:51:07] <rhizome> not a good day in debianland for me today
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3377 [23:51:30] <darksec> I already contacted offensive about it, but they're yet to get back to me, thanks though
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3380 [23:52:10] <rhizome> what does 'rc' mean in dpkg -l output?
3381 [23:52:33] <rhizome> man doesn't say
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3383 [23:53:09] <rhizome> ah, something i'll remember as "remaining config"
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3390 [23:56:05] <themill> rhizome: the header explains the output; the man package explains the meaning of the terms
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3394 [23:59:21] <rhizome> ah, i still use grep on it. maybe this will break that habit
3395 [23:59:34] <rhizome> thanks
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