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• 2[00:00:10] <RoyK> back then it was state of the art
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• 5[00:00:33] <richitan> so please don't admit it in public - some accuser will come at for crimes even that long ago
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• 7[00:01:15] <RoyK> of course I'll admit it - really - Linux was a piece of shit back then
• 8[00:01:29] <RoyK> anyway - that's rather offtopic
• 9[00:01:58] <inSync> lol
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• 12[00:03:07] <richitan> and adds inSync to it too
• 13[00:03:19] <zro> wtf is this UEFI crap and is that why i cant boot this new machine off a debian usb ?
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• 16[00:03:45] <inSync> zro: good evening
• 17[00:03:50] <richitan> zro fix it quick as it will only get worse when intel kills the bios completely
• 18[00:04:23] <zro> do not understand
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• 20[00:05:34] <richitan> replaced-url
• 21[00:06:51] <klys> replaced-url
• 22[00:06:59] <zro> ill look at it, but its not 2020, so i assume thats not my problem. I just wanna get windows off this damn machine
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• 24[00:07:26] <zro> this is ridiculous, why cant i boot this machine off a debian usb ?
• 25[00:07:41] <klys> zro, before removing windows, please upgrade your bios
• 26[00:07:54] <zro> really?
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• 28[00:08:12] <zro> i dont even wanna boot into windows
• 29[00:08:27] <klys> yes, there should be a "most recent" version of the firmware driver for your disk controller at the support section of the manufacturer's website.
• 30[00:08:55] <zro> ah, there, i just had to disable this "secure boot" nonsense?
• 31[00:08:59] <klys> zro, if you don't upgrade your firmware it could lead to serious problems down the road
• 32[00:09:10] <zro> hmmmm
• 33[00:09:24] <klys> like not being able to boot off your drive
• 34[00:09:45] <klys> and the installers generally only come for windows
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• 36[00:09:54] <mtn> of course upgrading the bios firmware can break the system, too
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• 38[00:10:20] <klys> there is a "motherboard driver" for your disk controller
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• 40[00:10:41] <zro> hmmmm
• 41[00:11:32] <klys> well you can try to get around it, just it's not possible to do this in all cases: replaced-url
• 42[00:11:40] <zro> i have little desire to deal with windows. ive only ever bought a machine and put linux on it. i really gotta mess with this updating bios crap? its a new machine
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• 47[00:12:33] <tsukuyomi> Hi! how can I change the resolution of a custom background in gnome?
• 48[00:13:01] <mtn> zro: no, usually there is no need to update the firmware. I have never done it in 20 years
• 49[00:13:17] <zro> ok mtn ... me either.
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• 51[00:13:42] <klys> if it's an hp product I can point to a device that no longer boots to the sata disk
• 52[00:13:48] <zro> lenovo
• 53[00:14:30] <richitan> mtn you ever hear of the equation group ... they also recomment not upgrading your firmware for the last 20 years
• 54[00:14:36] <klys> if you are new to uefi systems, here are some pointers on disk partitioning: replaced-url
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• 56[00:16:07] <klys> here are some more pages informative about uefi and its shell: replaced-url
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• 60[00:17:42] <klys> and here's one on scripting the uefi boot process: replaced-url
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• 63[00:19:49] <richitan> it will all be booting off gpu in the future
• 64[00:22:22] <klys> afaic, there is no one wanting to even simulate the pc programmable interrupt controller (pic) on a gpu as of this year. unless it's a secret project.
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• 70[00:24:05] <ryouma> klys: is that first link for creating a device you can plug into either a bios machine or efi machine?
• 71[00:24:28] <ryouma> that's what i want to do -- create something that will boot whatever machine i plug it into
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• 73[00:25:54] <klys> ryouma, the caveat is that it won't boot windows if your mbr is hybrind: replaced-url
• 74[00:26:16] <richitan> isn't that option to boot in the bios ? :)
• 75[00:26:17] <ryouma> the device will only have linux on it
• 76[00:26:43] <klys> ryouma, if you study recent debian .iso releases, they can boot and install for either.
• 77[00:27:01] <ryouma> i don't understand syslinux though (not that i really udnerstand grub2 either)
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• 79[00:27:25] <ryouma> and i don't want this to be an iso. i want it to have boot root home
• 80[00:27:28] <klys> syslinux is useful mainly because it has memdisk
• 81[00:28:08] <klys> though grub2 may have picked up memdisk by now...
• 82[00:28:11] <ryouma> memdisk?
• 83[00:28:25] <klys> it loads your image into memory and then boots it
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• 85[00:29:14] <ryouma> so not useful for my case then? i persume you mean iso uimage?
• 86[00:29:49] <klys> well you want a hybrid that boots the active partition? use fdisk and gdisk to accomplish it, it should be possible.
• 87[00:30:17] <richitan> nothing wrong with admitting failure and going back to a cdrom to boot from or floppy
• 88[00:30:23] <klys> and install grub2 with the grub-install utility
• 89[00:30:45] <richitan> lilo will make a comeback - it will
• 90[00:30:58] <ryouma> dunno, i just want to have a device with boot, root, and home on it that will boot if i plug it into my old bios box and also any new efi machine.
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• 92[00:31:33] <ryouma> ok, i will try that first gentoo link if that iwll do it
• 93[00:31:41] <ryouma> with grub2
• 94[00:31:50] <klys> that may help, sure.
• 95[00:31:54] <tsukuyomi> hi
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• 97[00:32:16] <zokum> i miss lilo, grub is a lot more work
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• 100[00:33:03] <klys> tsukuyomi, you just want to scale an image file? there are some utilities for that in the netpbm package (pnmscale, for example)
• 101[00:33:33] <tsukuyomi> klys: I'd like to "center" the background
• 102[00:33:45] <tsukuyomi> because the gnome thingy zooms in a bit too much
• 103[00:33:50] <ryouma> i find grub and initramfs to require a lot of effort to be certauin that they work robustly e.g. if you turn off a disk etc.
• 104[00:33:56] <tsukuyomi> but there's no option in change backround > background
• 105[00:34:01] <ryouma> or if a disk dies
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• 108[00:35:14] <LtL> tsukuyomi: yes there is.
• 109[00:35:33] <tsukuyomi> I must be blind
• 110[00:35:48] <tsukuyomi> where is it LtL ?
• 111[00:36:07] <klys> tsukuyomi, pnmmargin for adding a border (centering
• 112[00:36:58] <tsukuyomi> from a terminal? just type "pnmmargin"?
• 113[00:37:05] <LtL> tsukuyomi: gnome? in gnome-control-center, click on the upper right icon, click on the gear icon then background, choose picture
• 114[00:37:13] <klys> $ man pnmmargin
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• 116[00:37:45] <tsukuyomi> ok I'll take a look
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• 120[00:39:38] <tsukuyomi> there's no upper/gear icon, LtL
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• 122[00:40:35] <Paul--> hello
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• 125[00:42:17] <richitan> tsukuyomi: you won't have this problem is you used fluxbox
• 126[00:42:39] <Paul--> hello
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• 128[00:43:27] <tsukuyomi> ok solved the issue, apparently it can be done with: gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.background picture-options "centered"
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• 133[00:45:19] <dTal> tsukuyomi: out of curiousity how did you find the answer
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• 136[00:45:54] <dTal> manpage? info page? official documentation? or some random forum post from 5 years ago
• 137[00:45:58] <tsukuyomi> dTal: it was on replaced-url
• 138[00:46:06] <dTal> random forum post, gottit
• 139[00:46:07] <tsukuyomi> the last one
• 140[00:46:09] <dTal> how did I guess
• 141[00:46:16] <tsukuyomi> that's how I usually find stuff hahah
• 142[00:46:34] <dTal> see this is why I hate all this non-unixy stuff
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• 144[00:48:06] <tsukuyomi> dTal: man pages are a bit too long for me usually, but if it's important I read them
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• 146[00:48:27] <dTal> you don't *read* manpages, silly
• 147[00:48:29] <dTal> you grep them
• 148[00:48:52] <tsukuyomi> oh?
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• 151[00:49:16] <tsukuyomi> I just read the whole manual sometimes, I do end up learning a lot of stuff tho lol
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• 153[00:49:50] <ryouma> info has moer sometimes
• 154[00:50:11] <ryouma> like for tar, you get an abbreviated man page
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• 157[00:51:10] <zRecursive> In fact, you can have a look at openbsd's manual by browser.
• 158[00:51:15] <tsukuyomi> dTal: how do you grep the man page?
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• 160[00:51:52] <tsukuyomi> man tar | grep extract - is that what you eman?
• 161[00:51:55] <tsukuyomi> mean*
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• 163[00:52:30] <zRecursive> replaced-url
• 164[00:53:00] <dTal> That works but it's better to use / to search within the pager
• 165[00:53:08] <dTal> which isn't technically grepping I guess
• 166[00:53:27] <dTal> that way you get the cone
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• 168[00:53:29] <dTal> text
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• 182[00:59:17] <LtL> tsukuyomi: on the desktop, upper right icon.. click, in the box lower left is the gear icon
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• 192[01:01:48] <tsukuyomi> yeah
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• 194[01:01:53] <tsukuyomi> LtL: but there's no centering option
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• 196[01:02:35] <LtL> tsukuyomi: you need to use a pic with the same resolution as your desktop.
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• 198[01:04:19] <LtL> tsukuyomi: xrandr in a terminal will tell you your resolution
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• 201[01:04:57] <tsukuyomi> I don't "need" to do anything, okay
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• 206[01:05:07] * tsukuyomi is annoyied
• 207[01:05:30] <tsukuyomi> LtL: I demand an apology
• 208[01:05:35] <tsukuyomi> right meow
• 209[01:05:38] <tsukuyomi> :P:P
• 210[01:05:40] <tsukuyomi> xD
• 211[01:05:49] <somiaj> or use something like feh to set your wallpaper which can scale things for you.
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• 214[01:07:09] <tsukuyomi> !feh
• 215[01:07:09] <dpkg> feh is, like, the poor man's bah, or an excellent imlib2-based image viewer
• 216[01:07:17] <tsukuyomi> :o
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• 218[01:08:33] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: feh --bg-scale image.jpg
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• 220[01:09:04] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: or feh --bg-center image.jpg if you don't want it scaled, you can also tile it, or use --bg-fill if you want to preserve the aspect ratio but still scale it.
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• 228[01:12:19] <tsukuyomi> !bah
• 229[01:12:19] <dpkg> bah is probably everyone's other favourite word (see heh)
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• 231[01:12:38] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: you can also /msg dpkg heh
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• 235[01:13:08] <tsukuyomi> oh
• 236[01:13:12] <tsukuyomi> sorry
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• 240[01:13:58] <tsukuyomi> omg I love dpkg
• 241[01:14:00] <tsukuyomi> he's so smart
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• 243[01:14:18] <LtL> tsukuyomi: try /msg dpkg enter
• 244[01:14:21] <richitan> she you mean
• 245[01:14:45] <tsukuyomi> it's a female bot?
• 246[01:14:52] <richitan> yup
• 247[01:15:04] <tsukuyomi> who decided her gender
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• 249[01:15:16] <tsukuyomi> o.o
• 250[01:15:21] <richitan> on loan from the google porn bot harem
• 251[01:15:26] <somiaj> tsukuyomi: replaced-url
• 252[01:15:57] <somiaj> plese don't take stuff like this to far. In general it or they is probably the best pronou for dpkg.
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• 254[01:18:44] <tsukuyomi> I'd rather use he
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• 256[01:18:54] <tsukuyomi> to me dpkg is a smart guy
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• 258[01:19:05] <tsukuyomi> it is.. scary lol
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• 261[01:19:53] <richitan> you too tsukuyomi are a smart guy
• 262[01:20:31] <tsukuyomi> I wish I was as smart as dpkg, richitan
• 263[01:20:33] <richitan> i've put in a note that when dpkg is sick or drunk that you can be her sub
• 264[01:20:55] <richitan> the pay is excellant too
• 265[01:20:58] <bazhang> richitan, heard of #debian-offtopic
• 266[01:21:20] <richitan> what ? i haven't seen anything on topic here for weeks
• 267[01:21:41] <richitan> not with all the dev flocking to mint and kali and all that
• 268[01:21:46] <richitan> cya
• 269[01:21:48] <bazhang> richitan, and you were just asked nicely to rein it in
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• 271[01:22:07] <zro> in the installer, the "debian desktop environment"... whats that? do i need that checked if im junt gunna install i3?
• 272[01:22:34] <zro> theres like sub points for gnome etc, but ...
• 273[01:22:37] <bazhang> zro, the net install?
• 274[01:22:41] <zro> ay
• 275[01:22:43] <zro> *ya
• 276[01:22:54] <zro> sorry, i could probably just have googled that
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• 279[01:24:13] <zRecursive> I have "xterm.geometry: 160x25+0+438" in ~/.Xdefaults, it works for local user. However, when x-forwarded to M$ windows, the xterm always stays on the left-top corner. Can we control its size and position when x-forwarded to windows ?
• 280[01:27:16] <borsin> zRecursive: doubtful. windows or the windows client you use doesn't care about .Xdefaults or even know what that is.
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• 284[01:29:43] <zRecursive> borsin: i think so. Maybe it is relative to the x-server on windows
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• 295[01:39:03] <hiexpo> hi guys ? what is better to use rvm or rebnv for ruby control
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• 307[01:52:24] <somiaj> zro: I just unselect all the desktop enviroments, and then manually install the window manager, and maybe xorg afterwards.
• 308[01:52:40] <zro> i figured that out
• 309[01:52:44] <zro> thanks somiaj
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• 311[01:53:00] <zro> when i left the desktop env thing checked and nothing else, it installed gnome by default
• 312[01:56:01] <somiaj> correct, you have to unselect the desktop. gnome is the default if only select the desktop by not anythign else.
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• 314[01:56:45] <zro> if i skipped the "insert disk for non-free firmware" stuff during install, cant i just add non-free to my sources,ist and then like..... get it?
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• 320[01:59:03] <zro> blar, i forgot how much work i put into this machine and now setting up a new one is so daunting...
• 321[01:59:24] <LtL> zro: provided your NIC has free firmware out of the box then yes.
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• 341[02:17:37] <BenderRodriguez> who pinged me in the channel and why
• 342[02:17:40] <BenderRodriguez> I want their names
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• 351[02:19:15] <jak2000> script for configure network?
• 352[02:19:18] <bazhang> BenderRodriguez, drive by spammer, long gone
• 353[02:19:27] <tsukuyomi> hi BenderRodriguez
• 354[02:19:36] <BenderRodriguez> hi tsukuyomi
• 355[02:19:38] <jak2000> file: /etc/resolv.conf and /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 356[02:19:39] <BenderRodriguez> I saw your message
• 357[02:19:40] <BenderRodriguez> but gave up
• 358[02:19:50] <tsukuyomi> which one BenderRodriguez
• 359[02:19:51] <BenderRodriguez> jak2000: /etc/network/interfaces
• 360[02:19:59] <BenderRodriguez> tsukuyomi: something about weechat, but I forgot
• 361[02:20:07] <tsukuyomi> o
• 362[02:20:19] <BenderRodriguez> jak2000: it depends by "configure network" of course -- there are multiple configs concerning different aspects of networking
• 363[02:20:23] <BenderRodriguez> jak2000: so you have to clarify
• 364[02:21:04] <jak2000> ii want surff in internet(apt update apt upgrade)
• 365[02:21:19] <BenderRodriguez> ok
• 366[02:21:22] <jak2000> *i
• 367[02:21:24] <BenderRodriguez> that's not specific
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• 370[02:21:57] <jak2000> ok i configured nameserver 8.8.8.8 on resolv.conf
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• 372[02:22:14] <bazhang> jak2000, you want a script to apt update and upgrade?
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• 376[02:22:53] <jak2000> mm not
• 377[02:23:02] <jak2000> nned go to internet...
• 378[02:23:05] <jak2000> *need
• 379[02:23:26] <bazhang> jak2000, yes, we need more info than that
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• 384[02:24:54] <jak2000> wich info? :)
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• 386[02:25:27] <bazhang> jak2000, so far you have 'need internet'
• 387[02:25:36] <bazhang> thats not any info at all
• 388[02:25:46] <tsukuyomi> hi bazhang
• 389[02:26:01] <bazhang> supsuki
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• 394[02:29:14] <jak2000> bazhang: replaced-url
• 395[02:29:41] <bazhang> jak2000, this is the first I heard of a vbox
• 396[02:30:03] <jak2000> is proxmox
• 397[02:30:36] <tsukuyomi> bazhang: not much. got banned from #reddit.
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• 406[02:38:05] <somiaj> jak2000: output of ip a
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• 408[02:38:20] <somiaj> jak2000: and can you ping 195.168.1.144? Then see if you can ping 192.168.1.253
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• 415[02:45:23] <jak2000> ok
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• 417[02:47:02] <jak2000> somiaj: ping 192.168.1.144 answer.. ping 192.168.1.253 not....
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• 419[02:47:46] <jak2000> see please: replaced-url
• 420[02:49:15] <somiaj> jak2000: you said this is a virtual box running on a proxmox host?
• 421[02:49:21] <somiaj> well virutal install
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• 425[02:51:08] <jak2000> somiaj: replaced-url
• 426[02:51:11] <jak2000> and
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• 428[02:51:21] <jak2000> proxmox can do a ping to 8.8.8.8 but the vm not
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• 430[02:51:39] <somiaj> I don't know proxmox, but the info you have pasted shows that the debian vm is configured just fine.
• 431[02:51:48] <somiaj> the issue is with the virtual or bridged network on proxmox.
• 432[02:51:53] <somiaj> (which is not supported here)
• 433[02:52:00] <jak2000> yes understand
• 434[02:52:14] <somiaj> I do not know why your debian vm cannot connect the gateway via the proxmox setup.
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• 472[03:26:47] <|subz3r0|> good morning
• 473[03:27:06] <|subz3r0|> im trying to install apt-transport-https on a fresh installed system
• 474[03:27:34] <|subz3r0|> but it could not be found. in the sources.list ive added only "main" and "contrib"
• 475[03:27:47] <|subz3r0|> tried to figure out where its located but did not find it
• 476[03:27:55] <|subz3r0|> any hint in the right direction please?
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• 478[03:28:30] <annadane> ,v apt-transport-https
• 479[03:28:32] <judd> Package: apt-transport-https on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 0.9.7.9+deb7u6; wheezy: 0.9.7.9+deb7u7; jessie: 1.0.9.8.4; jessie-security: 1.0.9.8.4; stretch: 1.4.8; buster: 1.6~alpha5; sid: 1.6~alpha5
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• 481[03:28:52] <|subz3r0|> its stretch
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• 483[03:29:10] <|subz3r0|> is it in the backports or somewhere else?
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• 485[03:29:13] <annadane> well, firstly i would say if you're adding contrib you may as well also add non-free as many contrib components rely on non-free and vice versa
• 486[03:29:17] <annadane> not that that applies here
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• 488[03:29:20] <FuriousGeorge> hey all
• 489[03:29:26] <bazhang> hi
• 490[03:29:27] <annadane> no, backports isn't listed above
• 491[03:29:27] <|subz3r0|> where can I find this info? like if in backports, contrib or where ever?
• 492[03:29:28] <|subz3r0|> hi
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• 495[03:29:58] <annadane> |subz3r0|, apt install apt-transport-https doesn't work?
• 496[03:29:59] <bazhang> |subz3r0|, ,v package
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• 498[03:30:15] <|subz3r0|> annadane: usually i try to keep the system as small as possible and dont add uneeded sources
• 499[03:30:22] <FuriousGeorge> i was binding vfio-stub to two of my GPUs with a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ which had "options vfio ids"10de:34a4..."
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• 502[03:30:32] <annadane> |subz3r0|, adding sources will not automatically install packages, you do that manually
• 503[03:30:44] <FuriousGeorge> but now i want to bind a different driver, and commenting out that line does not prevent vfio-pci from binding
• 504[03:30:47] <FuriousGeorge> so something is
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• 506[03:30:49] <|subz3r0|> annadane: no it does not. tells me "E: Package could not be found"
• 507[03:31:04] <FuriousGeorge> "remembering" to bind vfio-pci to those devices and im not sure what it is
• 508[03:31:19] <annadane> |subz3r0|, try changing your mirror. replaced-url
• 509[03:31:30] <|subz3r0|> annadane: I know. But usually i would expect things like that in main or contrib
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• 512[03:32:03] <|subz3r0|> annadane: ill change the mirror. just a second
• 513[03:32:18] <annadane> |subz3r0|, contrib doesn't matter in this case as apt-transport-https is in main only. but if you later decide that if you want contrib software, some dependencies are in non-free, and vice versa
• 514[03:32:26] <annadane> so it doesn't matter here, but you may as well add it now
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• 516[03:33:09] <annadane> main will never mix with contrib and non-free as per the debian free software guidelines, but contrib and non-free can and often do mix
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• 518[03:34:22] <|subz3r0|> annadane: i used now replaced-url
• 519[03:34:30] <|subz3r0|> sure i did an update before
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• 521[03:35:14] <annadane> |subz3r0|, to paste.debian.net, post your sources list and "apt-cache policy apt-transport-https"
• 522[03:35:28] <|subz3r0|> k
• 523[03:35:41] <annadane> that probably should have been the first thing, before suggesting a mirror change
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• 525[03:36:36] <annadane> |subz3r0|, also keep in mind you need to "apt update" after changing your mirror
• 526[03:37:33] <FuriousGeorge> even when i comment out vfio_pci and similar from /etc/modules, even when i remove the line that reads "options vfio-pci ids="10de:etc:" (ids are my devices)
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• 529[03:37:45] <FuriousGeorge> it still binds the vfio-pci driver to the device
• 530[03:37:53] <|subz3r0|> thats what i meant when i wrote "sure i did an update before"
• 531[03:37:57] <|subz3r0|> but i found the issue
• 532[03:37:59] <FuriousGeorge> i suppose i could blacklist but i'd like to know why it's happening
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• 538[03:38:29] <annadane> |subz3r0|, well, what was the problem?
• 539[03:38:49] <|subz3r0|> issue was that only stretch-update main contrib and not "... stretch main contrib"
• 540[03:38:56] <annadane> ah.
• 541[03:39:00] <annadane> that'll do 'er.
• 542[03:39:14] <|subz3r0|> but this is a fault by the installer
• 543[03:39:16] <FuriousGeorge> let's try blacklisting it...
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• 545[03:39:37] <|subz3r0|> i did not checked that in detail. therefore i came in here and steal your time. sorry for that guys
• 546[03:39:42] <|subz3r0|> check
• 547[03:39:44] <annadane> shouldn't be an installer fault
• 548[03:39:48] <annadane> i've never had that happen
• 549[03:39:53] <bazhang> we live for that
• 550[03:40:00] <bazhang> no theft at all
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• 552[03:41:08] <|subz3r0|> annadane: installer asked me if i want to use ftp, http or https, so ive chosen https and entered a mirror. the installed had issues to fetch files from the mirror for what ever reason. but it was added to the sources.list. nevertheless only strech-update was added. for what ever reason
• 553[03:41:27] <annadane> expert mode?
• 554[03:41:31] <|subz3r0|> yup
• 555[03:41:34] <annadane> huh. weird
• 556[03:41:36] <|subz3r0|> i always use this
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• 558[03:42:34] <|subz3r0|> but i did not use the recent version. used 9.1 since i had it here on my disk
• 559[03:43:12] <annadane> oh
• 560[03:43:27] <annadane> i know there was some installer error which is why we have 9.2.1 in addition to 9.2
• 561[03:43:31] <annadane> i can't recall what it was, though
• 562[03:44:04] <FuriousGeorge> this is ridiculous. i blacklist vfio-pci, and it /still/ binds to my gpu. i have no idea what is causing this
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• 564[03:44:17] <|subz3r0|> i can try to reproduce this with with the recent version if you want. and maybe open a bugreport afterwards
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• 568[03:44:35] <klys> furiousgeorge, are you using systemd?
• 569[03:44:36] <annadane> sure, i'm sure the installer devs will thank you
• 570[03:44:47] <FuriousGeorge> klys: yeah
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• 573[03:45:50] <klys> furiousgeorge, have you got a file similar to /etc/systemd/system/gpu.service ?
• 574[03:45:53] <|subz3r0|> maybe anyone of you knows a mirror which accepts ssl for the security repos?
• 575[03:46:15] <|subz3r0|> i found a neat script which checks for ssl mirrors written in python. but cannot find any security repos which accept ssl
• 576[03:46:36] <|subz3r0|> but please. i do not want to start a discussion if ssl is usefull or not... :)
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• 578[03:47:18] <birkoff> a barbership near me uses something that reminds the debian logo on their outside: replaced-url
• 579[03:47:49] <|subz3r0|> clickbait?
• 580[03:48:09] <annadane> birkoff, this is a support channel; best stick to #debian-offtopic
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• 584[03:48:27] <birkoff> sure
• 585[03:48:33] <FuriousGeorge> klys: no. there is no mention of vfio in /etc/systemd either
• 586[03:48:36] <FuriousGeorge> per grep
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• 588[03:48:50] <klys> furiousgeorge, i'll paste mine then
• 589[03:49:44] <annadane> but yes contrib shouldn't be added to anything for the installer
• 590[03:49:50] <annadane> unless it's the non free firmware image
• 591[03:50:02] <annadane> which, i've never used
• 592[03:50:08] <klys> furiousgeorge, replaced-url
• 593[03:50:52] <klys> furiousgeorge, after creating that file with those or similar contents, you need to run systemctl on it (I forget exactly how...)
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• 596[03:51:44] <annadane> though i suspect in that case it would be "non-free" more than contrib, notwithstanding the fact that one relies on the other
• 597[03:52:29] <FuriousGeorge> klys: thanks, but unfortunately /etc/init.d/gpu doesn't exist either. this is a modified debian (proxmox distro)
• 598[03:52:31] <klys> furiousgeorge, the file /etc/init.d/gpu will also need to be created. I pasted that just now too: replaced-url
• 599[03:52:32] <FuriousGeorge> maybe i should ask in there
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• 602[03:52:48] <annadane> right
• 603[03:52:50] <annadane> !proxmox
• 604[03:52:50] <dpkg> Proxmox Virtual Environment (Proxmox VE) is a GNU/Linux distribution <based on Debian>, providing a virtualization platform with <LXC> and <KVM>. It is not supported in #debian. There's an unofficial proxmox channel on Freenode. For official venues, see ##replaced-url
• 605[03:53:05] <annadane> !tell FuriousGeorge about based on debian
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• 608[03:54:23] <FuriousGeorge> klys: that file does the opposite of what i want, however. my problem is i need to temporarily stop vfio from binding to the gpus, and bind nvidia instead
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• 610[03:55:16] <klys> furiousgeorge, at least you might have a clue now, I'm afraid I can't help you further.
• 611[03:56:15] <annadane> FuriousGeorge, as the proxmox channel is fairly empty you can also try asking on linuxquestions.org forums - they have a "linux - general" section
• 612[03:56:29] <annadane> specify that you're on proxmox
• 613[03:56:44] <annadane> or of course see the above url
• 614[03:57:05] <FuriousGeorge> thankws
• 615[03:57:48] <annadane> ah, 266 users, not that empty
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• 617[03:58:02] <annadane> i just said that because someone earlier said it was being quiet, which i guess is not quite the same thing
• 618[03:58:26] <|subz3r0|> ;D
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• 628[04:03:10] <klys> folks, paste.debian.net is mebby a couple hours to a day away from breaking 1,000,000 pastes
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• 696[04:53:40] <notadrop> hi, is 'lspci' included with the default install?
• 697[04:54:01] <klys> dpkg -l pciutils
• 698[04:54:01] <dpkg> ii pciutils 1.2-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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• 700[04:55:17] <RoyK> ,lspci
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• 758[05:47:31] <Natalie> What's Debian's default desktop environment?
• 759[05:48:48] <jak2000> in debian9 how to install openssh-server? not work: apt install openssh-server
• 760[05:51:01] <nomic> sudo apt update
• 761[05:51:09] <nomic> then sudo apt install openssh-server
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• 764[05:51:34] <nomic> also check your system has access to the repositories
• 765[05:52:02] <jak2000> dpgk apt-list
• 766[05:52:05] <jak2000> !dpgk apt-list
• 767[05:52:35] <klys> pacgake
• 768[05:52:35] <somiaj> Natalie: gnome is a default, but the installer allows you to install any you want, so gnome being default doens't say to much.
• 769[05:53:03] <somiaj> jak2000: what is the output of 'apt-cache policy'
• 770[05:53:07] <somiaj> jak2000: can y ou paste that somewhere.
• 771[05:54:16] <jak2000> ok
• 772[05:55:46] <RoyK> ,openssh/server
• 773[05:55:51] <RoyK> ,openssh-server
• 774[05:56:12] <somiaj> RoyK: you need a v there.
• 775[05:56:17] <RoyK> oh
• 776[05:56:26] <RoyK> ,v openssh-server
• 777[05:56:27] <judd> Package: openssh-server on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u4; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u2; buster: 1:7.6p1-2; sid: 1:7.6p1-2
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• 779[05:56:57] <RoyK> Natalie: usually apt install ssh should do it
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• 781[05:57:08] <RoyK> erm, jak2000
• 782[05:57:11] <RoyK> sorry, Natalie
• 783[05:57:30] <Natalie> np
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• 785[05:59:27] <nomic> openssh server shold be easy 2 install
• 786[05:59:52] <jak2000> somiaj done
• 787[06:00:16] <jak2000> i have type bad line: deb replaced-url
• 788[06:00:19] <jak2000> "debina" :)
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• 790[06:02:01] <RoyK> jak2000: og - debina - is that a new fork? ;)
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• 3761[06:31:15] <themill> numbdewd: apt-cache show $package
• 3762[06:31:28] <numbdewd> oh..! :o cool... many thanks!
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• 3766[06:36:12] <chessand1o> This is more of an what-if question. While seaking a way to get a more libre experiance on my android tablet I found that someone was able to build gentoo from stage3 tarball on it. Since that works, would it be likely that the ARM versions of debian work on it?
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• 3768[06:37:13] <numbdewd> check out the app Gnuroot Debian from the google play-store. (while it doesn't require root.. may wanna have?^_-)
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• 3770[06:37:40] <chessand1o> This is more of not having android at all kind of question
• 3771[06:37:41] <numbdewd> sry dunno about if to replace the whole OS with all the google-stuff... i'd wanna that too really! ..hmh.
• 3772[06:37:52] <numbdewd> mh..hmh.
• 3773[06:37:55] <chessand1o> (also ive long sence removed the play-store as I refused to use a google account)
• 3774[06:38:09] <numbdewd> nice
• 3775[06:38:15] <chessand1o> go libre or go home
• 3776[06:38:41] <numbdewd> I want to get there at some point as well.. the sooner the better.. unfortunately im a n00b to alot of this, and nix in general.. :/
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• 3778[06:39:22] <chessand1o> ah. Im a gentoo user on my laptop. While I jumped at the idea, I didn't *actaully* want to have to compile gentoo on my tablet
• 3779[06:40:04] <annadane> this conversation would probably be more suited to #debian-offtopic
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• 3869[06:40:20] <annadane> well, maybe not
• 3870[06:40:21] <annadane> sorry
• 3871[06:40:23] <numbdewd> spread the knowledge if you do get something like it (or however close as possible u could) working please.. =}
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• 3874[06:40:57] <numbdewd> apology accepted.
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• 3876[06:41:10] <chessand1o> what just happened to IRC
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• 3886[06:42:37] <chessand1o> numbdewd: do you know of lineageOS?
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• 3889[06:44:16] <numbdewd> yeah.. never got around to fully try it yet,after nearly (?) screwing up my phone a few times earlier (various ways.. once possibly gave it malware thru some overly easy way of rooting it (bad idea I guess..)) and having to reset it all.. I'm thinking of buying a phone or two specifically for experimenting with these things. Currently only have one I'd often find use for in daily life, unfortunat
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• 3894[06:45:05] <numbdewd> ..everything from bus tickets to bank-related tasks and other stuff.. :\ it all wants to know where i am at all times now.. hard to get away from it all too.. =| "privacy laws", pff.. ain't worth anything!
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• 3897[06:46:33] <chessand1o> ah, my tablet was pretty easy to root,
• 3898[06:46:37] <chessand1o> but it has no roms
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• 3900[06:46:55] <chessand1o> so I either have to build one myself or try yo make due with stock android
• 3901[06:46:56] <binaryc> trying to get dns records (freeipa) to update via sssd dns_update. getting 'Dynamic DNS child failed with status [512]' error in sssd logs. Anyone familiar/have pointers. Unclear if firewall related, nsupdate issue or freeipa configuration. [ understood not specifically deb , be kind :)]
• 3902[06:47:52] <numbdewd> I'm paranoid about my smart phone, lol.. scared of all them sensors, and all that encrypted traffic going in/out.... needa setup some mitm- & ssl-downgrade/strip/fake/.. kinda thing to log traffic better, among other things... I hate these phones, lol. Ive turned off (as good as I can that is..) all kinda sensors, transmitters/receivers all the time unless specifically needing. Still.. don'
• 3903[06:48:00] <numbdewd> ..don't trust it. lol
• 3904[06:49:58] <chessand1o> I dont either. Theres no phone I really want currently
• 3905[06:50:04] <chessand1o> some im stuck with my current one
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• 3907[06:51:32] <numbdewd> binaryc: did you check the search results for your error, example this site?~> replaced-url
• 3908[06:51:55] <numbdewd> chessand1o: I'd like an old Nokia 3310 back. or few
• 3909[06:52:51] <binaryc> thx numbdewd , did my google due dilligence. bouncing around IRC as last resort :P
• 3910[06:53:00] <numbdewd> a
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• 3912[06:53:12] <chessand1o> sometimes I consider getting a dumb phone
• 3913[06:53:16] <chessand1o> but those arent open
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• 3915[06:53:35] <chessand1o> and I cant find a open quality music player to replace that functionality of my phone
• 3916[06:53:58] <klys> chessandlo, get you a sipura spa-2002 and hook a phone up to the interwebz
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• 3919[06:55:31] <chessand1o> ha!
• 3920[06:55:50] <klys> :)
• 3921[06:56:17] <numbdewd> replaced-url
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• 3923[06:58:04] <numbdewd> ..not that "open source" by itself makes anything all that much more trustworthy I guess...heh..hm...
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• 3932[07:00:09] <chessand1o> if anything I fear its going to be "open source" like android is "open soure"
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• 3938[07:02:25] <numbdewd> everyone trusts open source because "everyone else" audits the code... and nobody acutally does, or as often as should anyway, likely.. also, the scarcity of volunteer devs with experience and knowledge makes it prone to planted agents, for example with purpose and resources to intentionally plant seemingly innocent "coding errors" which, by resourceful groups, may be located and exploited for
• 3939[07:02:32] <numbdewd> ..other means, too.. and such ..
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• 3947[07:04:12] <numbdewd> a lot of bugs may only be discovered by well-funded, resourceful and coordinated groups .. . I guess will always be some potential *someone* has found a way around <whatever>, but wouldn't trust anything much besides huge, thoroughly-tested and long-lived software,personally... buuuut, im paranoid eh. ha
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• 3958[07:08:33] <chessand1o> you see
• 3959[07:08:45] <chessand1o> this is why we need to code everything in haskell and rust
• 3960[07:08:46] <chessand1o> ;)
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• 3974[07:19:39] <awal1> since a while now, thunar crashes when renaming ...
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• 3983[07:27:19] <pc_> bootup is taking too long, i get an error about a missing firmware bin file, rt something. also when i shutdown i get a massive dump of errors, pcieport receiver error related
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• 3987[07:33:27] <aj_kali> Can anyone provide any hints to vulnserver.exe exploitation exercise?
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• 3999[07:42:07] <soul-d> numbdewd, if it was a cheap chinese device it probably was infected from the start by android tablet started calling china an i only installed 3 apps it also did it on factory reset in end i had to root it and trow away some package that woulld lay dormant for rather long time 2weeks before acting up again it would also constantly call back to chinese servers so had to block that in router :D
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• 4017[07:57:47] <awal1> thunar crashing when renaming seems a very old upstream bug not yet solved :(
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• 4059[08:56:01] <Lady_Aleena> Hello. Does ruby come with Debian?
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• 4061[08:57:59] <awal1> ,v ruby
• 4062[08:58:08] <judd> Package: ruby on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.9.3; jessie: 1:2.1.5+deb8u2; buster: 1:2.3.3; sid: 1:2.3.3; stretch: 1:2.3.3
• 4063[08:58:18] <awal1> if available, yes.
• 4064[08:59:23] <Lady_Aleena> Is ruby the package name?
• 4065[08:59:30] <awal1> if it is installed by default? Not in base system
• 4066[08:59:42] <awal1> apt search ruby
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• 4068[08:59:55] <awal1> yep
• 4069[09:01:03] <Lady_Aleena> apt-cache search is a pain sometimes, I keep forgetting to sort it.
• 4070[09:02:01] <awal1> aptitude is "cleaner", apt/apt-cache more exhaustive
• 4071[09:02:31] <Lady_Aleena> I don't know how to use aptitude yet.
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• 4073[09:02:46] <awal1> aptitude search ruby
• 4074[09:03:05] <Lady_Aleena> Oh.
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• 4079[09:04:50] <awal1> replaced-url
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• 4085[09:05:46] <Lady_Aleena> ,v python
• 4086[09:05:48] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; stretch: 2.7.13-2; buster: 2.7.14-1; sid: 2.7.14-1
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• 4088[09:06:09] <Lady_Aleena> ,v perl
• 4089[09:06:10] <judd> Package: perl on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.14.2-21+deb7u3; wheezy-security: 5.14.2-21+deb7u5; jessie: 5.20.2-3+deb8u8; jessie-proposed-updates: 5.20.2-3+deb8u9; jessie-security: 5.20.2-3+deb8u9; stretch: 5.24.1-3+deb9u2; stretch-security: 5.24.1-3+deb9u2; buster: 5.26.1-3; sid: 5.26.1-3
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• 4093[09:07:38] <awal1> you can play with judd in private: /msg judd v perl
• 4094[09:08:03] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, that was all I wanted to know.
• 4095[09:08:06] <awal1> one the window of judd there just do "v pkgname"
• 4096[09:08:10] <awal1> once
• 4097[09:08:10] <Lady_Aleena> And would judd be able get through +g?
• 4098[09:08:34] <awal1> no, i think
• 4099[09:08:42] <Lady_Aleena> tias Lady_Aleena...
• 4100[09:08:58] <Lady_Aleena> I guess so.
• 4101[09:09:44] <awal1> +g blocks any message, including bots (judd, dpkg)
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• 4104[09:10:45] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, then somehow judd is whitelisted.
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• 4109[09:13:20] <Lady_Aleena> Thank you awal1...
• 4110[09:13:43] <pragomer> about an 7zip-archive in the cloud: I uploaded a pw-encrypted 7z archive to my (strato) cloud drive that is connected via sshfs to my debian. I can rapidly open (with pw) the archive and navigate through its folders. but when I extract a small file (odt file with few kb) this takes about 5 minutes. what could I do better?
• 4111[09:14:14] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, not here. if i set +g mode, judd is also blocked
• 4112[09:14:28] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, I have +g and judd got through.
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• 4114[09:14:42] <Lady_Aleena> Unless I don't have +g but only think I have +g.
• 4115[09:14:53] <Lady_Aleena> awal1, try pming me please?
• 4116[09:14:56] <awal1> I guess you do /umode Lady_Aleena +g
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• 4118[09:16:32] <awal1> Lady_Aleena, you are in +g mode ( Lady_Aleena :is in +g mode (server-side ignore.) * Lady_Aleena :has been informed that you messaged them.)
• 4119[09:17:05] <Unit193> Lady_Aleena: If you PM'd judd, it is added to your accept list since you initially made contact.
• 4120[09:17:08] <Lady_Aleena> Now to read the message.
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• 4122[09:18:12] <Unit193> pragomer: I'd presume because it needs to download the whole file to seek, but I don't know the specifics of 7z. One could use gocryptfs or cryfs perhaps to better serve your purposes?
• 4123[09:18:26] <awal1> +g won't work on freenode :P
• 4124[09:18:38] <awal1> fine on oftc
• 4125[09:19:07] <bazhang> awal1, yeah it does
• 4126[09:20:03] <awal1> bazhang, I get "Unknown MODE flag * *** You need oper and admin flag for +a"
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• 4130[09:22:09] <Unit193> awal1: You're doing something weird...Try just /umode +g
• 4131[09:22:36] <awal1> bazhang, it works yeah, I was running "umode" instead of "mode"
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• 4134[09:23:32] <awal1> "/umode username +g" won't work at all on freenode, but "/mode username +g" works
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• 4136[09:24:27] <n4dir> can someone enlighten me what's the deal with the need to register for #debian the last couple of days?
• 4137[09:24:51] <awal1> both "/umode username +g" or "/mode username +g" works on oftc , even if umode generates an error
• 4138[09:24:59] <n4dir> that is: is it worth to get my head into it, or was it a temporary thing?
• 4139[09:25:28] <awal1> n4dir, looks like server transfer, temporary seems
• 4140[09:25:40] <n4dir> awal1: i assume you speak to me? what will umode username +g do?
• 4141[09:26:01] <awal1> n4dir, to you yeah
• 4142[09:26:19] <n4dir> awal1: yeah, i assume it is temporary, but as i haven't been here ... better ask in time :-)
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• 4144[09:26:38] <awal1> n4dir +g blocks all pm's
• 4145[09:26:50] <awal1> you can allow the ones you want
• 4146[09:26:58] <n4dir> i couldn't even enter #debian, got the error straight away
• 4147[09:27:16] <awal1> same issue this afternoon, solved now
• 4148[09:27:32] <n4dir> when doing /join #debian
• 4149[09:27:32] <awal1> it was freenode servers side
• 4150[09:28:24] <awal1> we all got a message about transferring "I no remember what" from a server to another one
• 4151[09:28:41] <awal1> that's all, normally
• 4152[09:28:47] <n4dir> ok, thanks awal1. I will give it time. Last time i looked into "how to register", it was a bit headache for me.
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• 4203[10:07:00] <Mead> so I'm confused here, I've booted into debian live, and when I run "ifconfig" in terminal it says command not found. Am I doing something wrong here?
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• 4209[10:09:29] <Unit193> Mead: Use `ip a` instead.
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• 4211[10:10:01] <Unit193> Or, install net-tools
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• 4217[10:12:24] <awal1> Mead, ifconfig needs root
• 4218[10:12:36] <nauticalnexus> aaand he's gone :P
• 4219[10:12:42] <awal1> use netstat instead as user
• 4220[10:12:46] <awal1> oh, I see
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• 4230[10:17:06] <nauticalnexus> aaaand he's back! :P
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• 4235[10:19:22] <Mead> sorry asked a question and the system my bouncer is hosted on took a nose dive
• 4236[10:19:54] <awal1> lol
• 4237[10:20:34] <awal1> Mead, ifconfig requieres root privileges, as user use netstat
• 4238[10:20:39] <klys> recap: ifconfig neets root, you can try ip a, or netstat, or even sudo apt-get install net-tools and /sbin/ifconfig
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• 4242[10:25:19] <Guest4711> Is there a way to access the (content of) the directory that a device is mounted to? For example: echo "foobar" /mnt/foobar.txt ; mount -t auto /dev/sdb1 /mnt -- Is it possible to access /mnt/foobar.txt?
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• 4244[10:26:26] <klys> guest4711 mount also your root device somewhere else and access /a/mnt/
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• 4256[10:33:29] <n4dir> wondering what might be the use to mount a device to a mountpoint where a different device is already mounted, or why to create textfiles at /mnt or /media ...
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• 4260[10:36:35] <fr0tzed> hi guys, after decrypting my ssd on boot i get (I/O address 0x0cd6 already in use)
• 4261[10:36:52] <fr0tzed> and it wont boot further
• 4262[10:37:14] <fr0tzed> while everything worked fine yesterday
• 4263[10:37:26] <fr0tzed> does anyone know what the hell is going on
• 4264[10:37:26] <mr__tea> go back to yesterday then
• 4265[10:37:34] <mr__tea> rollback!
• 4266[10:38:20] <fr0tzed> :'\ I cant
• 4267[10:38:23] <fr0tzed> i cant do shit
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• 4271[10:40:00] <n4dir> at first glance: sounds like chroot is the way to go.
• 4272[10:40:28] <mr__tea> maybe boot into single user mode?
• 4273[10:40:46] <n4dir> "something worked yesterday and doesn't work today without having done anything" sounds very weird though
• 4274[10:41:48] <fr0tzed> yes thats weird.
• 4275[10:42:39] <fr0tzed> i boot up the system. decrypt, so i putin th epasswd of sdc crypt
• 4276[10:42:39] <Kuun-Lann> fr0tzed d yyou have any weird line before this this message ? Is this the complete message ?
• 4277[10:43:10] <n4dir> been ages i did encrypted installations. until a better idea turns up i would try a chroot (which, if you can't boot, will be part of the solution anyway)
• 4278[10:43:50] <fr0tzed> Kuun-Lann, after typing in password i get: failed to connect to lvmetad
• 4279[10:44:02] <fr0tzed> cryptsetup: setup succesfull
• 4280[10:44:33] <fr0tzed> then i shows me then cursor below it, and i cant type nothing at all
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• 4282[10:45:06] <Kuun-Lann> the I/O error shows after cryptsept : setup successfull ?
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• 4284[10:45:39] <fr0tzed> yes Kuun-Lann
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• 4288[10:47:15] <Kuun-Lann> *grat grat*
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• 4292[10:48:07] <fr0tzed> :'/
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• 4297[10:50:18] <Guest4711> klys, ok, thank you
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• 4300[10:51:02] <Kuun-Lann> i don't know very much about lvmetad but i found several posts about the first message "failed to connect to lvmetad" and some answers was to chroot (as n4dir says) to reconfigure some things. But the real question is to figure if the I/O message is the consequence of lvmetad or another different problem
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• 4303[10:51:53] <Paradox23> can someone show me their /etc/lsb-release file? I broke mine Debian 7
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• 4305[10:52:09] <fr0tzed> Kuun-Lann, ill try chroot thanks
• 4306[10:52:13] <Kuun-Lann> Because this I/O error is oftn relative to sp5100_tco with a found bug
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• 4322[10:59:58] <awal1> Paradox23, you mean /usr/bin/lsb_release?
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• 4330[11:03:02] <kirk781> Does Enlightenment[Desktop Environment] has a GUI for setting proxy?
• 4331[11:03:25] <bazhang> e17?
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• 4338[11:04:41] <folatt> How do I turn off ipv4?
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• 4340[11:05:22] <klys> folatt, configure your interface to 0.0.0.0 down
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• 4342[11:05:34] <klys> well, not down
• 4343[11:06:08] <kirk781> bazhange: yes
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• 4345[11:06:40] <kirk781> Setting from the terminal doesn't help.
• 4346[11:07:19] <folatt> And how would I configure my interface to 0.0.0.0 down/not down?
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• 4349[11:07:49] <klys> folatt, you can use ip a, or ifconfig
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• 4354[11:10:19] <cariveri> Hi. Is apt-get upgrade on a debian wheezy/7 (virtual cloud server) a good idea? Or is this prone to crashes?
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• 4361[11:15:20] <klys> cariveri, if you can make it past udev and initramfs-tools on a new kernel, you should have most of the important stuff. remember that it will auto-create /boot/grub/menu.lst and you have to answer a few questions in debconf.
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• 4363[11:15:41] <klys> */boot/grub/grub.cfg
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• 4365[11:16:18] <cariveri> klys: ok I see. seems there is a substantial risk of losing it all in this task.
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• 4368[11:18:24] <cariveri> klys: Id rather not tinker with the innerts, as the usage of the system is quite simple: wepserver and next comes vpn server.
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• 4373[11:19:32] <klys> with a new kernel there is some risk of renaming your ethernet port's interface. that could be a risk.
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• 4376[11:22:42] <cariveri> klys: ok. then I stick to wheezy for now. Any suggestions on installing a vpn server? I hoped it would be easier by now.
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• 4379[11:23:54] <klys> cariveri, you want your own server?
• 4380[11:24:13] <klys> oh
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• 4382[11:24:28] <klys> pptpd is a vpn server rudiment
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• 4390[11:27:02] <klys> you need better than pptpd though if your proxy is ntlm squid.
• 4391[11:27:20] <klys> not even sure tor can pull that weight.
• 4392[11:29:05] <cariveri> klys: oh. so this means, I would have to ask the cloud service provider whether this is actually possible? Im not sure if there is a proxy in frnt of it. perhaps I can traceroute this.
• 4393[11:29:51] <klys> just go to openvpn's website and start reading
• 4394[11:29:57] <Iridos> klys, he won't have a new kernel on a virtual machine… the kernel comes from the host
• 4395[11:30:23] <klys> iridos, jessie uses a different kernel from wheezy
• 4396[11:30:57] <klys> it may be that udev depends on it
• 4397[11:31:23] <Iridos> yes
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• 4401[11:34:41] <cariveri> Iridos: Ok, that also would tell me, to have the provider upgrade my vm because he has access to the host.
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• 4413[11:41:11] <Iridos> cariveri, usually you get a complete new image with a new version of debian… and often you an just deploy that yourself via some web interface
• 4414[11:41:17] <Iridos> but that completely depends on the hoster
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• 4417[11:41:31] <pingfloyd> pptp is so insecure
• 4418[11:41:47] <Iridos> it's more a matter of transferring all of your data than a regular upgrade
• 4419[11:41:59] <cariveri> pingfloyd: oh. I was jsut to say, its easier than open vpn.
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• 4422[11:42:34] <pingfloyd> cariveri: if you care about security, you should get off pptp asap
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• 4425[11:43:04] <cariveri> pingfloyd: how about open vpn? you consider this secure?
• 4426[11:43:33] <fr0tzed> I think it went wrong when i used non free repos. The RMS karma got me fast :')
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• 4428[11:44:19] <pingfloyd> cariveri: pptp is pretty much the most insecure vpn protocol there is
• 4429[11:44:28] <cariveri> fr0tzed: *Although this software may be attrative it is rellay a trap* ;)
• 4430[11:44:30] <pingfloyd> so practically anything is better than it
• 4431[11:44:59] <Iridos> cariveri, what do you want vpn for
• 4432[11:45:37] <pingfloyd> also pptp is Microsoft's proprietary protocol
• 4433[11:45:40] <pingfloyd> big surprise
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• 4436[11:47:14] <cariveri> Iridos: hmm. kind of hard to explain, but lets say Id like to make insecurities on the webapplication level are avoided/prevented if the client is connected via vpn and so, some traffic can be disallowed for the public as a whole.
• 4437[11:47:31] <cariveri> Iridos: *make sure..
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• 4439[11:48:14] <fr0tzed> just doing a re installation without amd's propriety drivers
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• 4441[11:49:11] <jim> I'm trying to fix a python3 situation, where I have a python3.5 but not a python3... is that just a link? is it made by a particular package?
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• 4444[11:50:10] <pingfloyd> cariveri: the implication there is that will cover for eavesdropping while in transit across the internet
• 4445[11:50:16] <pingfloyd> cariveri: but that's about it
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• 4447[11:51:36] <jim> hilite me when you decide to respond... I have to watch ##linux
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• 4451[11:53:50] <cariveri> pingfloyd: naw, I guess its more. routes of the webapplication can be exposed to the "local" network only. meaning only clients accessing the vpn can use the application, which itself might have one or two holes.
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• 4465[11:59:42] <cariveri> pingfloyd: at least, I could do some admin work easier on the vpn, while the "costumer" clients would be unable to access sensitive areas.
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• 4497[12:10:50] <cariveri> thanks a lot sofar!
• 4498[12:11:23] <cariveri> klys: Iridos I got the answers that I wanted. Thanks.
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• 4504[12:16:54] <jelly> jim: which debian release? What does "dpkg -S /usr/bin/python3"
• 4505[12:17:04] <jelly> jim: and "ls -ld /usr/bin/python3" say?
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• 4510[12:24:18] <folatt> I'm still rather confused, how would 'ip a' or 'ifconfig' turn off ipv4 if that only provides me information?
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• 4512[12:24:40] <petemc> it would not
• 4513[12:24:42] <folatt> replaced-url
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• 4515[12:25:19] <folatt> replaced-url
• 4516[12:25:48] <jim> jelly, hi...
• 4517[12:26:14] <jim> debian release stretch,
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• 4519[12:27:08] <folatt> Well then, how would I turn off ipv4?
• 4520[12:27:27] <jim> dpkg -S /usr/bin/python3 says: "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/python3"
• 4521[12:27:27] <dpkg> Package: /usr/bin/python3 says: "dpkg-query: no path found matching pattern /usr/bin/python3": Status: install ok installed
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• 4523[12:27:44] <jim> dpkg, :P
• 4524[12:27:44] <dpkg> well, p is 1. piano (musical direction) 2. proton
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• 4528[12:29:05] <jim> (however, there is a python3.5)
• 4529[12:30:19] <jim> and ls -ld /usr/bin/python3 says not found
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• 4532[12:31:37] <jim> I was trying to screw with python-3.6, that didn't go very well :)
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• 4535[12:32:12] <jim> something about installing the package python3.6-minimal
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• 4538[12:33:13] <jim> I since installed python3.5-minimal over it to try to correct the problem
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• 4541[12:34:12] <jim> but since python3 isn't there, some of the python apt scripts are presently broke
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• 4545[12:37:30] <jim> should I --reinstall the python3 package, or something like that? (I'd need to put a python3 link or alias)
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• 4549[12:40:38] <jim> hilite me when responding please
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• 4556[12:44:07] <Iridos> folatt, why do you want to turn it off anyway?
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• 4558[12:45:10] <Iridos> that's not a question asked often… switching ipv6 off, though, is.
• 4559[12:45:16] <Iridos> dpkg, disable ipv6
• 4560[12:45:16] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, <IPv6> is built into the Linux kernel (excluding the loongson-2f flavour). To disable IPv6, add the kernel command line option ipv6.disable=1 to your bootloader.
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• 4562[12:45:23] <folatt> Because it's getting in the way.
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• 4565[12:45:38] <Iridos> there may or may not be an equivalent option for ipv4, it'd be interesting to try
• 4566[12:45:40] <Iridos> folatt, how
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• 4568[12:47:26] <folatt> I have to think back how... uhmm..... oh, there's a DNS server I can to freely sign up to that automatically picks up ipv4 and ipv6
• 4569[12:47:41] <rephlexie> curious if ipv4.disable would work in grub like it does with ipv6.
• 4570[12:48:23] <folatt> And since I have two servers, that means that if I enter the admin page of the second server, I get the first.
• 4571[12:48:32] <Dagger> there's no option to disable v4 support in Linux. I'm not even sure you can compile the network stack without it
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• 4573[12:48:46] <Dagger> you can just not configure any v4 addresses though
• 4574[12:48:46] <folatt> As my browser of course picks up ipv4 first.
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• 4576[12:49:02] <folatt> I thought ipv4 got outdated five years ago.
• 4577[12:49:19] <Dagger> uh... your browser shouldn't be picking v4 first
• 4578[12:49:21] <petemc> folatt: have you tried just adding entries in /etc/network/interfaces "iface foo inet6..." ?
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• 4580[12:50:31] <folatt> petemc, wouldn't I have to edit the entries to 'inet off', when adding 'iface foo inet6'?
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• 4582[12:51:04] <petemc> i am not aware of an "inet off" option
• 4583[12:51:13] <jim> update: I put a link called python3 in /usr/local while I try working on this
• 4584[12:51:25] <folatt> hmmm...
• 4585[12:51:33] <jim> well /usr/local/bin
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• 4587[12:52:12] <numbdewd> what if you try search for simply "python3" or with a wildcard at the end, and append --version to any binaries found as such.. none around?
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• 4590[12:53:25] <Iridos> folatt, can't you just enter the ipv6 ip into the browser for an admin page?
• 4591[12:53:58] <numbdewd> I had an issue earlier where it set default python to 3.6, and I believe there also was a 3.5, in addition to 2.6 (?) one prior to 2.7 which was the one I wanted, and desired set as default.. I ended up replacing sym-link for python in /usr/bin (or such) for "python" with the python27 one I wanted... became tricky using "pip" too (which I'd often be .. doing "pip --version" every time to assur
• 4592[12:54:08] <numbdewd> ..assure being in and using the right pip.. :z)
• 4593[12:54:13] <Dagger> manually dealing with IPs kinda sucks. this is what we have DNS for
• 4594[12:54:30] <Dagger> better option would be figuring out why the browser prefers v4, because that shouldn't happen unless you're using 6to4 or Teredo
• 4595[12:55:14] <Dagger> ...or if you're using ULA, but then you wouldn't be able to reach internet hosts unless you are also NATing -- and if you're doing that then you're doing something horrifically wrong
• 4596[12:56:00] <folatt> Iridos, I can, but that's rather hacky.
• 4597[12:56:01] <numbdewd> btw.., maybe bit un-related (sorry.. (?)), but apparently IPv6 performs better at certain tasks and may improve webserver response times in many cases, among other things. Also, while being on a shared IP, simply having IPv6 and usign reverse proxying you may still serve your tld (replaced-url
• 4598[12:56:23] <jim> the link in /usr/local/bin didn't improve things, so I put a link in /usr/bin... could someone running stretch show the output of ls -l /usr/bin/python3
• 4599[12:56:35] <folatt> I don't like the fact that the domain is leading to another server/site.
• 4600[12:56:45] <folatt> Who wants that?
• 4601[12:57:23] <Iridos> you could also enter that server name in /etc/hosts… and only give it an v6 ip address that should override dns
• 4602[12:57:37] <numbdewd> thhere are numerous cheap VPS-hosts, so-callled "NAT VPS'" where you get a shared IPv4 only, but plenty of IPv6 addresses - and typically like 20 tcp&udp ports (assigned seemingly randomly, high-numbered) that you can use for your incoming/outgoing stuff. Some of these some times go for as little as $2-3 per year,including a terabyte bw, 256 mb ram etc.. and nice usage-allocation of CPU,
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• 4605[12:58:35] <numbdewd> as such are way cheaper than most VPN-providers would be able to offer, including the capability to do alot more on your own (even upgrade the OS, full-disk-encryption, custom dns.. or whatever else), as well as setup web sites on it etc.. for just a couple dollars! ..them ipv6-only hosts are somewhat under-rated, or little known i guess, I think. ;)
• 4606[12:58:47] <folatt> And for some reason the nameserver is still able to pick up my v4 ip adress.
• 4607[12:59:31] <folatt> Even when I have only have the ipv6 servername in /etc/hosts
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• 4610[12:59:37] <folatt> ...
• 4611[12:59:40] <folatt> wait
• 4612[12:59:43] <Iridos> folatt, that's not hacky at all…
• 4613[12:59:47] <folatt> Perhaps I haven't done that.
• 4614[13:00:15] <numbdewd> I've numerous IPv6-VPS' where I've paid with BTC, Paysafecard or similar using some generated ID (not authentic), in certain cases only having to use some phone# matching that of the billing account holder which are easily found for free online - for receiving sms or listening to robot-voices confirmation codes -, or rented for like $0.1 for custom use for receiving.. and setup a chain of numerou
• 4615[13:00:24] <Iridos> the /etc/hosts thing is maybe a bit hacky… just bookmarking the ip is just skipping some automated steps
• 4616[13:00:25] <folatt> Iridos, it will be for other people.
• 4617[13:00:27] <numbdewd> ..numerous VPNs chained for just a couple dollars in total. pretty cool^^
• 4618[13:00:55] <Iridos> you mean something else with hacky than what I do
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• 4620[13:01:19] <Iridos> hacky means… "it works, but it's violating a lot of good practices and probably shouldnt'
• 4621[13:01:32] <numbdewd> I don't think I've fully understood the "reverse dns"-option many hosts offer along with the plentiful bunch of IPv6 addresses they offer, or why (or what.. ) someone would use that many addresses for at all..
• 4622[13:02:56] <Iridos> oh "and will break and fall you on your foot heavily in a year from now"
• 4623[13:03:43] <numbdewd> Something interesting with IPv6 is many ppls continued lacking understanding, care for or awareness of use of, simply seeing IPv6 addresses in their "netstat .." is confusing to some and many aren't able to make sense in regards to translating it to other physical address destinations; obscurity as such may be advantageous .. as well as the same beign reflected in some software, even IDS, Firewal
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• 4626[13:04:25] <numbdewd> ..evasive-/protective- sort of software, with lacking tracking, identificaition and use of them in many cases,
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• 4628[13:04:47] <folatt> Iridos, Okay I've tried it. It's still picking up the ipv4 address.
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• 4630[13:05:08] <Iridos> that's weird… how does it know it
• 4631[13:05:48] <numbdewd> id imagine them dns-/icmp-tunnel proxy endpoints, for example to get around a hotel-wifi's restrictive pay-wall by tunneling traffic thru DNS queries which many wouldn't lock behind their pay-wall coupled with IPv6, too, would increase chanse of success of such, enabling more anonymity,privacy and freedom of movement on the net in general.. kinda? bit shady I guess, but.
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• 4635[13:06:22] <folatt> I have no idea. I can't find it in the python code where I subscribe the domain.
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• 4638[13:07:52] <folatt> I'll ask the admin of the server.
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• 4640[13:09:10] <rephlexie> you look at the gai.conf manpage?
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• 4645[13:11:49] <numbdewd> for DNS, if not already doing, I'd suggest look into considering dnscrypt & dnssec-functionality a minimum, there are scripts on github that auto- download, configure and install a full working, or simply forwarding, dns-server on your box in a few clicks only - without prior knowledge of any of it. Also , check out dnscurve and/or dnschain ( dnscurve.org / okturtles.com ) and consider implementat
• 4646[13:13:19] <numbdewd> ..and enforcing use of, and verification of such, locally, too. DNS poisoning and such, especcialy so in cases of network intrusion, or when using uncontrolled (potentially / likely compromised networks such as public wifi-hotspots where it'd be very relevant and appropriate to actively implement counters against..
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• 4648[13:14:52] <numbdewd> .. Ive a .. 3-5? year old smart-phone made by Sony.. it's a couple years since Sony stopped providing critical updates to solve all the vulns on the system, and I'd wager a large amoung of casual random ppl around are using such phones daily,all the time; and furthermore are -as many/most?- also auto-connecting to open wifi-hot spots
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• 4650[13:16:37] <numbdewd> ..using maps such as those provided by services intended to highlight where there is free wifi, an attacker may pinpoint suitable initial attack-points. My Sony had at last count.. well, more than a couple dozen remote-root and similar sort of quite serious vulns, enabling an adversary to install apps to root and and basically make the user unknowingly a sub-privileged user to further evade detect
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• 4654[13:18:19] <numbdewd> ..detection, provide its own mechanism for updating, self-spreading and possible tactical dormancy for penetrating other networks beyond the public wifis (work networks, home lan etc.. ) for further targeted auto-exploitation with backdoors left,even in so-called "smart lightbulbs" and whatnot these days theres capacity for things like webservers even:d
• 4655[13:18:32] <numbdewd> ... uh, anyway... sry; I talk alot I guess, eh. heh. sorry . .. .
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• 4659[13:20:45] <numbdewd> neway... my tip: turn off ur receivers, transmitters and whatever other sensors on any devices of urs unless specifically intended for use at the time, and maintain for that period only - while monitoring it continously thru privileged loggers / data analysis, whitelisting targets/destinations, protocols etc... (various forms of ICMP packets, while providing small drips at a time ifto maintain inc
• 4660[13:22:09] <numbdewd> ..inconspicuousness, along with DNS-query packets, are long common means of exfiltrating or transmitting malicious data, seemingly secure connections to trusted hosts, and data not easily seperable from common network traffic, or even included in many loggers's or IDS-software's filters at all
• 4661[13:22:26] <Iridos> folatt, also, /etc/gai.conf configures the systemwide preference of what getaddrinfo returns
• 4662[13:22:29] <somiaj> and this has what to do with debian support?
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• 4665[13:24:52] <numbdewd> hm, sorry I guess it was quite general.. somewhat but sure, insufficient relevance, but noteworthy for anyone using internet these days, or trusting https/ssl-connections, or apparent integrity/signatures of files/packages/repos.. many potential pitfalls, and potential, future or presently known, vulns to be wary of .. :D
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• 4668[13:27:32] <somiaj> numbdewd: sure, but it is off topic as it appears you are mostly just informing teh channel, but not helping a debian support question.
• 4669[13:30:23] <numbdewd> m..k,yeah I guess..sorry! (tho, beware-- watch out for the repos, and who you trust; them sigs, where you keep the originals for verification and safekeeping as such, and continued validation to ensure packages aren't tampered with on-the-fly or completely replaced .. I think MS Windows has a bad reputation of serving malware concealed by "parallel construction" (legal term) for aiding LE, eve
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• 4671[13:31:47] <numbdewd> ..even in rather minor cases, as does Google... and who knows who else. There are still people who trust most commercial VPN-providers to actuall not log anything, and be an aid in anonymization; I'd bet many here, too, which may heed caution in trust in these too much, and consider how/why etc..
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• 4678[13:37:05] <Rashad> Hello. I am using deepin linux which is based on debain. I want to be able to install packages from an earlier release (current release is `panda`, but I also want packages from `trusty` or `precise`).
• 4679[13:37:35] <Iridos> ask them in #deepin
• 4680[13:37:48] <Rashad> This is how my sources.list looks like: replaced-url
• 4681[13:38:15] <Rashad> /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 4683[13:38:51] <Rashad> But even after an `apt-get update` command, I still don't get the packages from trusty or precise in synaptic or elsewhere.
• 4684[13:39:00] <somiaj> !based on debian
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• 4686[13:39:01] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 4688[13:39:27] <somiaj> Rashad: we don't support debian derivatives here, this is not a general debian based channel, but a debian channel. Please take your support question to your distribution of choices support network.
• 4689[13:39:51] <Rashad> OK. I just thought the problem would be the same in both distros.
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• 4691[13:40:13] <Rashad> As it is really an apt-get problem (I think).
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• 4696[13:41:21] <Iridos> maybe, maybe not. it's generally just frustrating everyone finding out if stuff is like in debian or something specific, so we just don't do that…
• 4697[13:41:30] <Iridos> but as I said, they have their own channel, ask them
• 4698[13:41:44] <somiaj> Rashad: apt is completely related to teh repos you are you using. If you were using debian, we would say, don't mix versions.
• 4699[13:41:46] <Rashad> Understandable.
• 4700[13:41:56] <Rashad> Aha.
• 4701[13:42:00] <somiaj> Rashad: we do not know how packages in their repos are compiled, or anything about their repos are set up.
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• 4703[13:42:32] <somiaj> also you mention ubuntu codenames it seems, and ubuntu is drastictly different in the core than debian.
• 4704[13:42:32] <Rashad> I am kinda forced to because the recent update to panda made my WiFi noticeably slower.
• 4705[13:42:38] <Rashad> So I wanted to downgrade the driver.
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• 4707[13:43:00] <somiaj> there is ##linux for general linux support. I don't know of any geenral debian based support channels though.
• 4708[13:43:03] <Rashad> Oh I see. This is embarrassing. They say deepin is based on debian but it seems it is based on ubuntu :S
• 4709[13:43:12] <Rashad> Alright.
• 4710[13:43:14] <Rashad> Thanks guys.
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• 4713[13:44:21] <Iridos> duh, just occured to me… could I register my laptop as a bluetooth-keyboard for an android phone?
• 4714[13:44:41] <nkuttler> grmb. so if a service has an /etc/default/foo file, but systemd ignores the settings from there, is that a bug or a systemd feature?
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• 4716[13:45:03] <daiker> hello
• 4717[13:45:48] <somiaj> nkuttler: I'm unsure on debian policy about systemd needed to honor /etc/default/foo
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• 4719[13:46:08] <nkuttler> somiaj: oh? ok, bug then i guess
• 4720[13:46:19] <nkuttler> didn't know service files can read other files..
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• 4722[13:46:26] <somiaj> nkuttler: part of the idea with unit files is they aren't these long complicated scripts, so there is less need for /etc/default/foo since it is really easy to make a modification to a unit file and only put teh change in /etc/systemd/system
• 4723[13:47:05] <somiaj> nkuttler: I think there are ways to get systemd to honor stuff in /etc/default, some systemd unit files do this, unsure on which ones though. I know I saw this in passing somewhere, but don't recall the details.
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• 4725[13:47:25] <nkuttler> somiaj: ok, ty
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• 4728[13:48:28] <somiaj> though I do belive debian wants to honor some /etc/default/foo files for its sysv compadability, and because that is where people are use to looking for things, and people change slowly.
• 4729[13:48:54] <nkuttler> the file is still there and documented too
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• 4735[13:52:51] <somiaj> nkuttler: I just searched the full debian policy for 'default', and the only mention of /etc/default is in conjunction with /etc/init.d scripts, there is no mention of how this should be used with systemd unit files.
• 4736[13:53:13] <somiaj> so it might be that only services that are still using init.d scripts with the sysv compadbility in systemd need to honor those.
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• 4738[13:53:42] <nkuttler> somiaj: i restarted the service using the init script, but that just called systemd, so the default setting was apparently never used
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• 4741[13:54:12] <nkuttler> at least i think that happened
• 4742[13:54:48] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 4743[13:54:58] <mint> anyone used moc music player on linux?
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• 4745[13:56:03] <somiaj> nkuttler: correct, debian init.d scripts should call systmctl if systemd is being used. So this package has both an init.d script and a systemd unit file?
• 4746[13:56:19] <nkuttler> somiaj: yeah
• 4747[13:56:28] <somiaj> I was talking about the case that there is no unit file, then the init.d script would be used.
• 4748[13:57:09] <somiaj> I don't see any policy about this, so I don't know if it is a bug per-sey, it might be a wishlist bug that the unit file also honor the /etc/default/foo values.
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• 4750[13:58:23] <somiaj> but that post might give you some idea on how to modify the unit file to include those values.
• 4751[13:58:48] <somiaj> from my understanding you only need to supply the changes to the unit file, not the full unit file for cases like this.
• 4752[13:59:51] <nkuttler> somiaj: that should do, thanks again
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• 4754[14:01:28] <somiaj> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 4759[14:01:45] <somiaj> oh and systemctl edit service will automate this
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• 4762[14:03:17] <jelly> jim: install python3-minimal
• 4763[14:03:48] <jelly> judd: file usr/bin/python3
• 4764[14:03:52] <judd> Search for usr/bin/python3 in stretch/amd64: python3-minimal: usr/bin/python3
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• 4782[14:16:48] <rakor> I a packed is installed as dependency, can I see which packet pulled it in?
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• 4784[14:17:57] <somiaj> rakor: aptitude why packagename sometimes gives this info (it may also give another package that depends/recomends that package than the original one tha tpulled it in though)
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• 4792[14:20:30] <rakor> can you give me a hint how to get the info out of aptitude? :)
• 4793[14:21:11] <somiaj> rakor: I told you. 'aptitude why packagename'
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• 4796[14:22:09] <somiaj> that will try to determine why that package was installed. You could use aptitude search or apt-rdepends if you want to search reverse depends as well, but in most cases apatidue why packagename will give you decent info.
• 4797[14:22:11] <rakor> Ah :D ok
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• 4802[14:22:45] <somiaj> I just mentioned that if you have multiple packages that depend/recommend/suggest that package (with complex dependency chains), aptitude won't list them all, but it will list one.
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• 4805[14:23:41] <somiaj> well aptitude why won't, aptitude search could with correct search flags.
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• 4818[14:30:44] <rakor> OK, found out what I was searching for :) Thanks
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• 4836[14:41:25] <dmkeast> i've started getting method not allowed when trying to add events to a davical calendar. no idea why
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• 4850[14:58:26] <AlexandreMBM> Hello, guys! I am with no sound in Slax 9. It is based on Debian.
• 4851[14:58:41] <AlexandreMBM> alsamixer shows all unmuted.
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