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2 [00:01:55] <Ilyas> hmm..this is complicated. let me see... I
3 [00:02:03] <rant> ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms
4 [00:02:04] <judd> No package named 'virtualbox-guest-dkms' was found in stretch/amd64.
5 [00:02:29] <apollo13> ah, I mixed it up with the xenserver driver disks
6 [00:02:33] <apollo13> they do have a linux folder :D
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8 [00:02:46] <Ilyas> I'm using Vbox 5.2, Debian 9.2
9 [00:02:50] <rant> ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms contrib
10 [00:02:51] <judd> No package named 'virtualbox-guest-dkms' was found in stretch/amd64.
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12 [00:03:09] <Ilyas> the vbox websites has a cd with guest additions for this version on vbox, which I have now too
13 [00:03:18] <Ilyas> I should insert that into the vm I guess?
14 [00:03:29] <apollo13> rant: I think it is no longer in stable?
15 [00:03:41] <rant> apollo13: either that or the bot doesnt have contrib sources
16 [00:03:52] <apollo13> yes and then execute it and run VBoxLinuxAdditions.run
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19 [00:04:19] <rant> ,v virtualbox
20 [00:04:20] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.0-dfsg-2; sid/contrib:
21 [00:04:21] <judd> 5.2.0-dfsg-5
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23 [00:04:35] <apollo13> rant: replaced-url
24 [00:04:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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30 [00:05:07] <rant> yes seems virtualbox isnt in stretch at all I guess
31 [00:05:21] <Ilyas> that's fine, I dont want to use virtualbox inside Debian, I'm using it to run debian as a guest vm
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34 [00:05:37] <rant> which is why it didnt just auto-install the guest additions like I'm used to it doing when I ran debian as a guest before
35 [00:05:45] <Ilyas> oh
36 [00:05:51] <Ilyas> that's related after all ?
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39 [00:07:12] <rant> the process of getting the iso from upstream, mounting it and running their installer though is fairly straightforward
40 [00:07:41] <rant> it just used to be a whole lot simpler when virtualbox was in debian.. it would detect it and install the guest additions automatically
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43 [00:08:58] <rant> Ilyas: might be worth trying a testing installer and see if that happens.. afterall its a good platform to help debian by running testing.. the VM can help one avoid issues with snapshots
44 [00:08:59] <Brigo> rant, virtualbox is not in debian?
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47 [00:09:30] <rant> Brigo: apparently as we just covered above, it was removed from stretch due to lack of security support for older releases from upstream
48 [00:09:42] <Brigo> rant, didn't kown that.
49 [00:09:49] <Brigo> it is in backports thought
50 [00:09:52] <rant> neither did I until just now
51 [00:10:41] <rant> ,info virtualbox-guest-dkms stretch-backports
52 [00:10:43] <judd> Package virtualbox-guest-dkms (contrib/kernel, optional) in stretch-backports/amd64: x86 virtualization solution - guest addition module source for dkms. Version: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; Size: 584.5k; Installed: 4550k; Homepage: replaced-url
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55 [00:11:07] <rant> thats still older than the version he's using (5.2) which is in buster
56 [00:11:24] <Ilyas> who/what is buster?
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58 [00:11:50] <rant> Ilyas: its the current testing and next/future stable release of Debian
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60 [00:12:10] <Ilyas> ah. is it always called buster? or just this particular one
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62 [00:12:25] <Brigo> Ilyas, just this one
63 [00:12:35] <rant> Ilyas: no, testing releases are given normal release names as they come out, only unstable always keeps the name sid
64 [00:12:36] <Brigo> Ilyas, testing is the real name.
65 [00:13:33] <rant> if it were me, I'd run testing or unstable in a VM.. help discover bugs in Debian where its much easier to recover from issues using the VMs snapshot features
66 [00:14:15] <rant> if I wanted a stable Debian system I'd be running it natively
67 [00:14:19] <Ilyas> in the future, perhaps. right now, I want to get a VM up and running to start Pythonining/Linuxing in :)
68 [00:14:39] <rant> Ilyas: you familiar with python or just learning?
69 [00:15:01] <Ilyas> just learning
70 [00:15:07] <Ilyas> but I also want to learn Linux
71 [00:15:12] <rant> Ilyas: what sort of things are you interested in coding?
72 [00:15:18] <Ilyas> so why not kill two stones with one bird
73 [00:15:24] <Ilyas> network automation, in particular
74 [00:15:55] <Ilyas> but I want to get more feeling for coding in general. seems like a good skill to have
75 [00:15:58] <rant> so you'd be learning something like twisted, flask, kline, or such I guess
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79 [00:17:36] <rant> I ask mostly because I've started a project with the aim to provide an integrated support system for Debian and we need coders and more input.. and you being new might offer perspective
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81 [00:18:02] <rant> the plan is to code the software stuff in python
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84 [00:18:36] <Ilyas> ah
85 [00:18:50] <Ilyas> it sounds above my scope and out of my paygrade, for now
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89 [00:19:44] <rant> yeah well mine too which is why I haven't made it already :P but it would involve a lot of network type stuff and at this phase just noodling and sharing ideas and experience with debian and the support community would be helpful if you're at all interested
90 [00:20:38] <Ilyas> it sounds like a good initiative, but not right now for me
91 [00:20:53] <Ilyas> thanks for pointing it out tho
92 [00:21:42] <rant> fair enough.. I obviously need seasoned coders but input from new users with their take on Debian's support resources and such is also important in planning
93 [00:21:54] <Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide
94 [00:21:56] <Ilyas> replaced-url
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97 [00:22:17] <Ilyas> there are some steps about adding stuff to build kernel modules(?)
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100 [00:22:28] <Ilyas> otherswise, the vbox files won't run
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104 [00:23:23] <rant> dpkg, stretch-vbox-guest is Ilyas> oh, I got it working! I followed this guide replaced-url
105 [00:23:23] <dpkg> rant: okay
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110 [00:24:03] <rant> Ilyas: build-essential probably, yes
111 [00:24:14] <rant> and kernel headers
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113 [00:24:24] <Ilyas> why is this neccesary?
114 [00:24:33] <Ilyas> (curious, not angry)
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120 [00:25:26] <rant> Ilyas: well on systems like windows you have one kernel.. but on Debian there are all sorts of different kernels and versions, so you need to compile the drivers from source for the specific kernel used.. so its compatible.. so you need the compiler toolchain and the headers for the kernel in use to build against
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123 [00:26:13] <Ilyas> oh, so I got sourcecode instead of binaries just now?(vbox guest additions)
124 [00:26:17] <rant> Debian runs on more than just linux and has multiple different versions of the linux kernel.. one kernel is not binary compatible with another so the drivers need to be compiled against the right kernel
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126 [00:26:47] <rant> Ilyas: the linux version of the additions (drivers) installs them this way for that reason.. binary ones wouldnt be very distributable across linux distros
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128 [00:27:06] <Ilyas> oh. that makes sense I guess. thanks
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130 [00:27:35] <rant> its the same way with any drivers.. nvidia's installer for their driver has some pre-packaged ones but if they dont match your running kernel it needs to compile
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136 [00:28:34] <rant> Ilyas: curiosity may have killed that proverbial cat, but it makes a good linux user ;)
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142 [00:29:33] <rant> Ilyas: I'd recommend you keep yourself here in #debian and also in #python and stay curious
143 [00:29:52] <Ilyas> thanks. having used Windows almost exclusively, it kinda shapes the way you think about OS'es
144 [00:29:57] <Ilyas> well, at least for me
145 [00:30:02] <Ilyas> yeah I'll stick around here
146 [00:30:18] <rant> yes linux helps you learn more about how an OS works as its designed to be a programmers OS
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151 [00:31:29] <rant> I personally enjoyed O'Reilly's Understanding The Linux Kernel for really groking the innards.. they have a hard time keeping up with the latest kernel as its such a fast moving codebase, but its a very detailed and easy to understand guide to how linux kernel works
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153 [00:32:39] <Sveta> I have not seen kernel act up yet so I haven't got around to figuring out how it works
154 [00:32:43] <dTal> NERD
155 [00:32:47] <Sveta> just use debian as a desktop at home
156 [00:33:10] <Sveta> although that involves learning to break things too, the stuff I'm using has a few bugs due to the very specific manner in which I'm using it
157 [00:33:28] <Ilyas> hrm....I celebrated too early it seems
158 [00:33:31] <Sveta> not programming yet though I just reproduce the bugs and provide them to the developers so that they fix it
159 [00:33:35] <Sveta> what happened Ilyas?
160 [00:33:41] <Ilyas> my vm now just becomes unresponsive after a few minutes
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162 [00:33:52] <Sveta> that's not nice, do you know what resources limit it hits?
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164 [00:34:28] <Ilyas> I do not, but I think I gave it enough ram/hdd/cpu
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172 [00:36:33] <rant> Ilyas: did you open a heafty program like firefox?
173 [00:36:47] <Ilyas> firefox, ye
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175 [00:36:53] <rant> yeah that'll do it :P
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177 [00:37:02] <Ilyas> o_O
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180 [00:37:36] <esd> hello
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182 [00:37:37] <rant> firefox needs a lot of ram.. which is why I stick to links2 on my orangepilite that only has 512mb total
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185 [00:38:25] <Ilyas> I gave the VM 4 GB of ram, is that not enough?
186 [00:38:35] <rant> ah.. 4gb is enough, yes
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189 [00:39:52] <rant> Ilyas: how much ram does your system have total?
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191 [00:39:59] <Ilyas> 16G
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193 [00:40:14] <Ilyas> on the host, that is
194 [00:40:25] <rant> ah well then you still had 12GB left for the host.. should be enough even for windows :P
195 [00:40:41] <Ilyas> yeah, windows runs like a charm, no issue there
196 [00:40:51] <rant> you need a resource monitor to gague what resources are lacking on the VM side
197 [00:40:53] <somiaj> firefox has a big foot print, a big thing is multiple tabs. It isn't 'too' bad for a single tab open (but still could be 50megs or so and certain pages could eat up way more)
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201 [00:41:39] <rant> yes the modern web is resource hungry in general.. very JS heavy
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206 [00:42:38] <somiaj> Yup, partly because veryone just uses large js libaries to make things easier. Lets load the whole jquery libary just to move one widget on my webpage.
207 [00:42:44] <rant> a system can only handle so many layers of vm nesting.. heh. JS is a VM, in a sense a browser is a VM.. etc
208 [00:43:41] <Ilyas> bah, froze again. no indication that CPU or RAM were maxed out :(
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210 [00:44:17] <rant> Ilyas: did you check stats on host side as well? Ctrl+Shift+Esc in windows
211 [00:44:19] <Ilyas> I think this also happened without firefox running
212 [00:44:36] <Ilyas> yes, nothing out of the ordinary on the host
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214 [00:46:05] <rant> I tend to use MATE when I use a full DE and it has that process monitor applet and by default it doesn't show IO wait, it has it same color as BG color.. and I reconfigure that because IO is more serious than normal CPU usage.. IO is typically throwing interrupts and can involve locking mechanisms and is typically uniterruptable
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216 [00:46:24] <rant> most resource monitors tend to not show the IO waits
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220 [00:47:38] <rant> Ilyas: do you know if your CPU supports virtualization and if the VM has virt enabled?
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222 [00:48:03] <qmr> Why is automatic partitioning following the retarded advice of swap=ram? I do not need 512GB of swap
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226 [00:48:12] <Ilyas> it does and it's turned on
227 [00:48:30] <rant> qmr: one very common use of ram is for suspend/hibernate which requires at least swap=ram
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229 [00:48:51] <rant> qmr: people who aren't "retarded" as you put it usually don't use automatic partitioning
230 [00:49:05] <somiaj> qmr: as rant said, for those who hibernate their system, you need enough swap to put the current use fo ram on.
231 [00:49:24] <Ilyas> btw, how can I wean debian off the installed CD I originally used?
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233 [00:49:35] <somiaj> plus it is a standard that should work for lots of systems, what about the system with only 2gigs of ram, and then come to some reasonable default.
234 [00:49:35] <Ilyas> I want apt-get to only use network sources from now on
235 [00:49:36] <rant> yeah s/ram is/swap is/
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237 [00:49:55] <somiaj> Ilyas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the cdrom entry, then run 'apt update'
238 [00:50:17] <rant> Ilyas: edit /etc/apt/sources.list or look under repositories in the synaptic settings
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241 [00:50:56] <Ilyas> thanks
242 [00:51:12] <Ilyas> syslog does say this: gnome-terminal-[986]: Allocating size to GtkScrollbar 0x555cda4a42a0 without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). How does the code know the size to allocate?
243 [00:51:19] <Ilyas> dunno if it's relevant
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247 [00:52:18] <rant> probably just goes to a hardcoded default or based on window size
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249 [00:52:45] <rant> that hardly seems a syslog worthy entry to me.. heh
250 [00:53:07] <rant> GUI apps frequently have messages like that which are mostly useless information
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272 [01:03:48] <rant> Ilyas: wget -O sources.list replaced-url
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277 [01:05:33] <somiaj> Ilyas: I find Gtk really noise about its warnings.
278 [01:05:43] <somiaj> in many cases I find no affect
279 [01:05:56] <Ilyas> oh, ok. I really had no idea when choosing a GUI
280 [01:06:01] <Ilyas> I think I picked cinnamon
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282 [01:06:08] <rant> yes pretty much any gtk/qt app you run from a terminal will output those kinds of messages
283 [01:06:18] <Ilyas> rant: SSB ?
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285 [01:06:47] <rant> Ilyas: simple sid backport.. its what you'd do if you needed to make your own backport..
286 [01:07:11] <somiaj> Ilyas: Gtk is a widget set, I get lots of warnings from it and don't even use a de
287 [01:07:23] <rant> Ilyas: you could comment out that and any of the deb-src lines to make it update package cache faster and only uncomment as needed
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289 [01:08:06] <Ilyas> I'm unfamiliar with the concept "backport"
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291 [01:08:14] <Ilyas> sorry, I must sound like a moron :/
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293 [01:09:32] <rant> Ilyas: backports is to get newer versions of packages in a stable distro.. you may not know it yet but if you're looking to get into programming you will likely want to do backports at some point and that sid line is so you can make your own if one doesnt already exist
294 [01:10:02] <Ilyas> ah
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296 [01:10:33] <Ilyas> so thats making new code available in an "older" environment/os/release/etc ?
297 [01:11:45] <rant> Ilyas: yes as you may have gathered ours is a "dependancy based" system where packages depend on libraries and such they use.. no errors like "you must install .NET 3.0 framework" in debian, it does this kinda thing automatically
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299 [01:12:09] <rant> Ilyas: a backport takes the new code and compiles it against the old libraries in your system so its compatible but still newer code
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302 [01:12:28] <Ilyas> what if the code somehow doesn't work? because its too new ?
303 [01:12:48] <rant> Ilyas: in that case you'd have to backport the various dependancies as well
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308 [01:13:08] <rant> Ilyas: which could break your system so its safer to use a chroot
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326 [01:19:41] <Ilyas> okay, one final thing for now, I installed vim, but when I try to use the mouse right-click to paste text, it changes modes
327 [01:19:46] <Ilyas> any quick way to fix that ?
328 [01:20:00] <rant> yeah use a different editor :P
329 [01:20:06] * rant can't stand moded editors
330 [01:20:18] <rant> my editor only needs an edit mode
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333 [01:21:14] <rant> Ilyas: try middle click see how that works
334 [01:21:47] <Ilyas> ah, my vm froze again >_<
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422 [01:57:08] <Soni> how can I automatically torrent all debian torrents?
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425 [01:58:03] <Soni> is there a shell script I can run to automatically fetch new debian torrents and start them so I can help seed them?
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427 [01:58:30] <Soni> or do I have to do it manually?
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430 [01:58:40] <Soni> does anyone care about torrents?
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670 [02:27:08] <thebestnewb> Under Jessie I was able to turn on usb tethering on my android phone, plug in a usb cable and acquire entire by doing `dhclient usb0` but I can't seem to do that under Stretch -- I get 'Cannot find device "usb0"'. I don't recall if I had to install a package for that. Can anyone help?
671 [02:27:23] <thebestnewb> "acquire entire" -> "acquire internet"
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896 [02:52:54] <rant> in my experience you didnt need to do that you just plugged the phone in and n-m would connect to the internet
897 [02:53:28] <rant> but checking dmesg after plugging the phone in would be the first thing I'd do
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930 [03:07:42] <rant> Soni: if you give me one sec I can give you a one-liner
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968 [03:30:24] <stoned> hello, how come my file open box looks like boxes? replaced-url
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970 [03:30:52] <stoned> I am unable to read thigns.
971 [03:31:00] <stoned> Unintelligable boxes
972 [03:31:13] <stoned> It just randomly happened when I rebooted one time.
973 [03:31:31] <annadane> stoned, is this on stretch?
974 [03:31:35] <stoned> Jessie.
975 [03:31:55] <annadane> and this is on which program?
976 [03:32:13] <stoned> web browser chrome from google chrome official respository, stable version.
977 [03:32:25] <stoned> It always worked fine, I never updated anything, no apt updates
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979 [03:32:36] <stoned> Then one time it did this and wont' go away
980 [03:33:01] <stoned> Everything else in chrome works fine, just file open box has boxes
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1012 [03:54:07] <rant> Soni: wget -r -np -e robots=off -A torrent replaced-url
1013 [03:54:35] <rant> dpkg mirror torrents is wget -r -np -e robots=off -A torrent replaced-url
1014 [03:54:35] <dpkg> okay, rant
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1017 [03:56:23] <Soni> bleh
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1019 [03:57:29] <rant> Soni: that will download all the CD torrents from a given mirror, kernel.org is good as any
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1021 [03:57:57] <Soni> why not just provide an RSS feed :/
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1033 [04:01:40] <kingsley> How can I check if the new version of the "udev" package I just installed is actually running?
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1036 [04:02:31] <petemc> md5sum?
1037 [04:03:00] <rant> Soni: idk.. there may be a better way, but not that I know of
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1046 [04:07:46] <rant> stoned: looks normal to me.. you're probably just too high to read :P
1047 [04:08:14] <rant> stoned: seriously though, have you tried the standard troubleshooting of either trying a diffeent user or moving the dotfiles out of the way?
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1115 [04:44:26] <Shmam> Trying to get libinput to work. When i type "libinput" into console, it says no command found. I do have libinput-gestures working fine though so not sure what happened there. Running Debian 9, KDE, x11
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1120 [04:46:52] <Shmam> I want to set the tap_drag action to disabled
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1123 [04:49:25] <Shmam> Also how do I install something from here? replaced-url
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1143 [04:57:09] <Shmam> Hello? :?
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1147 [04:59:28] <annadane> Shmam, well, i don't know the answer to your first question; to the second, you shouldn't just install things meant for arch in debian
1148 [04:59:40] <annadane> Shmam, if no one answers you you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org
1149 [04:59:58] <Shmam> yea but they dont have a link for libinput on debian
1150 [05:00:03] <Shmam> >_<
1151 [05:01:19] <Shmam> also do you know how I can check what version I have installed?
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1153 [05:01:56] <innmalint> does anyone run steam on debian testing? seems the install disappeared and does not start after re-install
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1161 [05:09:30] <Deviance> /amsg Retweet if you give a damn about your internetz. replaced-url
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1163 [05:10:32] <annadane> innmalint,
1164 [05:10:34] <annadane> !debian-next
1165 [05:10:34] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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1168 [05:12:16] <annadane> Shmam, probably "libinput --version" or "libinput-gestures --version"; what you can do if you really want is download the source from arch and build it from source - replaced-url
1169 [05:12:24] <annadane> that's if it's not already in debian
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1171 [05:12:28] <annadane> ,v libinput
1172 [05:12:29] <judd> No package named 'libinput' was found in amd64.
1173 [05:12:38] <annadane> let me check the packages section
1174 [05:14:01] <kingsley> Why would neither "dlocate -S " nor "apt-file search " report which package has the file "/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libdc1394.so.22.2.1"?
1175 [05:14:10] <annadane> Shmam, libinput-gestures is not a package in debian
1176 [05:14:30] <Shmam> yea i installed that and built from a git repo
1177 [05:15:21] <annadane> according to replaced-url
1178 [05:15:21] <Shmam> also how would I go about disabling middle mouse click?
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1180 [05:15:44] <annadane> Shmam, in general? probably depends on your de/wm
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1182 [05:15:58] <Shmam> oh something in kde?
1183 [05:16:01] <annadane> oh, kde
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1185 [05:16:07] <annadane> mouse settings i guess
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1187 [05:16:20] <Shmam> most of the options in there are greyed out sadly
1188 [05:16:25] <Shmam> frickin lib input
1189 [05:16:51] <annadane> anyway, if you just got stuff from git then it may not work properly
1190 [05:17:15] <annadane> i wouldn't really know, not much experience with it, but if there's debian packages for libinput i would just use those rather than git
1191 [05:17:20] <Shmam> no it works fine. this is a separate prob that I have just fixed
1192 [05:17:58] <Shmam> Also how do I run a command when my laptop boots up? Should I use cron or something else?
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1196 [05:18:50] <annadane> depends on the command, i guess. you probably want to use cron
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1275 [06:16:21] <foo> I'm getting this ssh error trying to connect to a server: ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host - here's verbose output: replaced-url
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1281 [06:18:30] <themill> got something in /etc/hosts.deny on the server?
1282 [06:18:57] <foo> themill: I don't have server access, I can relay that, though
1283 [06:19:39] <Unit193> Perhaps fail2ban got you?
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1287 [06:21:11] <themill> foo: neither of those ssh versions are Debian ones though, so there's probably some other place that can better help
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1290 [06:22:20] <foo> Unit193: I've received this message upon every connection
1291 [06:22:27] <foo> Unit193: Unless it's just being very aggressive, heh
1292 [06:22:39] <foo> themill: perhaps. Although, this is a server running debian. Sure, I'm running a mac.
1293 [06:22:48] <foo> ... well, I think it's running debian
1294 [06:22:54] <foo> Unless I was misinformed
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1300 [06:23:58] <themill> doesn't look like it
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1303 [06:24:05] <foo> thanks for the heads up
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1305 [06:24:41] <themill> (well, it might be some ancient and unsupported version... I don't recall which release had openssh 5.3 in it)
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1308 [06:25:30] <mrdside> hi, people
1309 [06:25:37] <foo> themill: thank you
1310 [06:25:48] <mrdside> i need help with Wacom One CTL-672
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1312 [06:25:58] <mrdside> Can anybody help me?
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1318 [06:30:29] <foo> themill: heh, you're right - this must be something else. I thought these guys were all debian... traders. I'll have to knock them on this
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1348 [06:55:01] <gladioacuto> hi there
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1354 [06:56:27] <annadane> gladioacuto, hi
1355 [06:56:57] <gladioacuto> resuming from hibernation hangs stretch on my thinkpad X1 carbon, forcing me to reboot or letting Xorg crash and restart. I suspect the problme lies on Xorg, but not sure. Please take a look at those many suspicious lines in /var/log/syslog: replaced-url
1356 [06:57:09] <gladioacuto> any help would me appreciated
1357 [06:57:15] <gladioacuto> would be
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1369 [07:02:11] <annadane> i don't know but it requests you to file a bug report and send an email :P
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1394 [07:16:45] <mrdside> After plug in tablet don't see any new device in /dev/input.
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1411 [07:23:25] <Moana> Hello
1412 [07:23:33] <Profound> Hi Moana
1413 [07:23:55] <Moana> Hello I am really confused how do I use this chay
1414 [07:23:57] <Moana> chat
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1416 [07:24:19] <Moana> Hello!
1417 [07:25:05] <gladioacuto> annadane, I submitted bug with reportbug, but got no ID for the bug so I cannot trace it...how to check if it was correctly submitted?
1418 [07:25:05] <cq1> I created an encrypted partition on an external drive using cryptsetup
1419 [07:25:10] <cq1> oops, hit send too soon
1420 [07:25:28] <Moana> hi what's going on here
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1424 [07:26:06] <annadane> you leaving before i can answer your question
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1430 [07:26:22] <cq1> I created an encrypted partition on an external drive using "cryptsetup luksFormat". I presume that all I need now to open that encrypted partition is just the passphrase I set? As in, it didn't store any additional key material somewhere in /etc or something, and I have to make sure to not lose the drive I was running off of when I ran cryptsetup?
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1437 [07:27:06] <annadane> gladioacuto, i'm not sure. realistically it may not be a bug and in any case we didn't solve/address your problem so we don't know if it's a bug or not
1438 [07:27:10] <annadane> may just be a stock message
1439 [07:27:13] <annadane> i was half joking anyway
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1459 [07:39:02] <Masina> Yes what does Debian Linux do?
1460 [07:39:36] <Masina> Hello us anyone around?
1461 [07:39:53] <Masina> What does this freenode Web IRC do?
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1464 [07:40:48] <preaction> you're doing it
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1466 [07:42:04] <Masina> What is this place? kinda cool but weird
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1469 [07:42:37] <annadane> hi Masina, debian is an operating system
1470 [07:42:56] <annadane> freenode is a server, and #debian is a channel within that server
1471 [07:42:58] <Masina> Yeah hi annadane, yes I know that
1472 [07:43:12] <Masina> You mean is like a group chay
1473 [07:43:13] <Masina> chat
1474 [07:43:16] <annadane> yep
1475 [07:43:19] <annadane> for support questiona
1476 [07:43:21] <Masina> Where we all can chat together
1477 [07:43:22] <annadane> questions*
1478 [07:43:42] <Masina> okay this thing is prettycool
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1480 [07:44:07] <Masina> and it seems like there are thousands of people on the right name list
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1491 [07:48:57] <Masina> hi
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1680 [09:30:17] <Donitzo> vbox additions is a joke
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1707 [09:40:47] <Septicide> Probably not the best place to display that......
1708 [09:40:50] <Septicide> whoops
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1778 [10:24:32] <tiny> hi. running debian 7.1 with /etc/init.d . How do I tell init script to run program as unprivileged user? Putting option --user=someuser after start-stop-daemon didnt't help.
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1782 [10:25:26] <petn-randall> tiny: You drop privileges in the script. sysv init has no concept of user privileges.
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1798 [10:29:47] <tiny> petn-randall: you mean chowning it to someuser?
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1806 [10:31:34] <FinalX> tiny: no, the script itself must use some kind of other program to make it run as another user (like su, sudo, etc). the init script itself can't. chowning is just changing permissions. you could use chown+chmod for setuid, but that's not ideal at all.
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1808 [10:32:11] <tiny> ok
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1811 [10:32:17] <FinalX> tiny: you can also upgrade away from oldoldstable (wheezy) to oldstable (jessie) or stable (stretch) and start using systemd, with that it's quite easy to do it. just add a User= line in the systemd unit file and done.
1812 [10:32:48] <tiny> yeah, that I know ... systemd makes this easy
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1881 [11:12:22] <nix64bit> how to use binaries in home directory, in this case node, I have created a ~/bin directory and exported the path, how to get the whole project in my user path?
1882 [11:12:55] <koollman> probably easier if you make a ~/usr
1883 [11:13:14] <koollman> so when you compile/install a project, you put it there instead of /usr or /usr/local
1884 [11:13:29] <nix64bit> I see whatyou say
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1886 [11:14:05] <nix64bit> ~/user
1887 [11:14:27] <nix64bit> then add that to the path?
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1889 [11:14:43] <koollman> then add ~/usr/bin
1890 [11:14:56] <nix64bit> ahh
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1901 [11:19:22] <bsdnoob> hello
1902 [11:19:36] <bsdnoob> guys how I enable tap to click in xfce ?
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1904 [11:19:49] <bsdnoob> I am tired of making bunch on config files in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1905 [11:19:54] <bsdnoob> but nothing ever happens
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1915 [11:24:44] <bazhang> testing/unstable: #debian-next (irc.oftc.net) bsdnoob
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1923 [11:27:24] <tobiasBora> Hello,
1924 [11:27:34] <petn-randall> bazhang: How do you know they're on testing/sid?
1925 [11:27:43] <nix64bit> koollman: thanks for the helps all working well now
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1927 [11:28:00] <bazhang> petn-randall, his crossposting
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1929 [11:28:52] <petn-randall> bazhang: Ah, I must not be in that other channel then.
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1938 [11:30:01] <tobiasBora> I would like to use curl to simulate a connexion to a hotspot portal. I tried to use "curl -c cookie_jar.txt -v ..." to store and read my cookies from the cookie_jar.txt, but I can't see anything in the logs of curl that let me thing that curl used the previously recorded cookies. Moreover, if I look at the cookie_jar that is generated after the first request, I get only commented lines, included
1939 [11:30:03] <tobiasBora> "#HttpOnly_<the hotspot website>..."
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1947 [11:32:56] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: If you're trying to automate accepting the ToS of hotspots, you're probably better off with using replaced-url
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1949 [11:33:20] <petn-randall> tobiasBora: curl/wget is not the best tool for that since you'd have to assemble the HTTP requests by hand.
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1957 [11:36:23] <nix64bit> I edited .bash_profile with export PATH="$HOME/usr/bin:$PATH" i seem to have to run `source ~/.bash_profile to activate it ? doesnt it get loaded on start of new session?
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1964 [11:40:15] <petn-randall> nix64bit: You likely want to put it in .bashrc. Which file gets loaded when isn't that trivial, in case of .bash_profile this only happens on login shells (which your graphical terminal is not).
1965 [11:40:56] <petn-randall> nix64bit: See this for a rough overview: replaced-url
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1967 [11:41:19] <nix64bit> ah ok thanks thats very helpful
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1969 [11:41:58] <nix64bit> petn-randall: thanks
1970 [11:42:04] <petn-randall> nix64bit: I have that page bookmarked because for the life of me I can't remember it every time I need it. You're welcome! :)
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1985 [11:51:03] <ntd2> hi. we are running several server with debian and experience the following every now and then on the server with realtek 8168 NICs: replaced-url
1986 [11:51:10] <ntd2> is this a known problem of some kind?
1987 [11:51:35] <ntd2> or does anyone have some infos? the realtek firmware package from non-free is installed
1988 [11:51:45] <ntd2> it seems to happen when many clients connect
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1990 [11:51:54] <sillyslux> what happened to /usr/bin/xvnc4viewer? package xvnc4viewer now is a transitional package and i'd have to use /usr/bin/xvncviewer instead, but then i get no cursor :(
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1994 [11:52:16] <apollo13> ntd2: get you some intel nics :D
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1996 [11:52:25] <petn-randall> ntd2: Except for the kernel oops, do you see any other symptoms?
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1998 [11:53:19] <ntd2> apollo13, thanks, suchs help is always welcome. can you send some to my server provider? :P
1999 [11:53:35] <ntd2> petn-randall, the server of course happens to have connection loss and packet loss after this
2000 [11:53:55] <apollo13> ntd2: no, but then again I wouldn't buy servers from such a provider. that said I have had those realtek issues in the past too
2001 [11:53:59] <ntd2> also if I turn off optimizations like GRO, GSO,. etc it does not happen anymore
2002 [11:54:40] <petn-randall> ntd2: You could try the backports kernel to check if it's a kernel bug.
2003 [11:54:48] <ntd2> apollo13, we experience this the first time. lessons are learned for the future, but i cannot turn the servers off now
2004 [11:55:12] <apollo13> that is your second problem then right there
2005 [11:55:15] <ntd2> petn-randall, thanks, thats worth a try
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2008 [11:55:32] <apollo13> new kernel will requiring turning off to ;)
2009 [11:55:40] <ntd2> apollo13, well, we COULD disable the servers as they are behind a load balancer, but we need to get others first
2010 [11:55:57] <ntd2> we can handle some servers beeing offline for a short amount of time
2011 [11:56:15] <petn-randall> ntd2: I recall having similar problems back with 2.6.32, it could be related to some production batches of realtek.
2012 [11:56:38] <ntd2> we are running the stable stretch kernel :(
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2014 [11:57:02] <ntd2> i will talk to our admin that we maybe try to upgrade some for testing purposes to the backports kernel
2015 [11:57:21] <ntd2> maybe this would really help, but problems regading this date back to debian 6 (found on the net)
2016 [11:57:26] <ntd2> so I do not really hope that much
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2018 [11:58:20] <ntd2> maybe we can also call our providers to change the NIC
2019 [11:58:30] <matrix_architect> do you think next stable version of debian will be default to wayland?
2020 [11:59:07] <ntd2> next stable version will take its time :P
2021 [11:59:14] <ntd2> I do not count with it in the next year
2022 [11:59:26] <ntd2> so I would not worry about that too much yet
2023 [11:59:47] <matrix_architect> i just wonder
2024 [11:59:50] <ntd2> and btw apollo13 and petn-randall : thanks for the infos ;)
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2029 [12:00:51] <ntd2> as debian has a policy on beeing stable and secure, my guess is that wayland will take at least to debian 11 until its properly tested and considered stable so it can become the default
2030 [12:01:01] <ntd2> but you can try it already in stretch when intalling gnome or kde
2031 [12:01:24] <Psy-Q> isn't wayland still pretty crippled? i.e. no gaming, flaky opengl, issues with nvidia?
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2033 [12:01:42] <petn-randall> Psy-Q: I don't think that's current info.
2034 [12:02:04] <Psy-Q> i know mgraesslin still has no plans to get kwin to work with nvidia's eglstreams
2035 [12:02:16] <Psy-Q> so that would rule out plasma on nvidia's proprietary driver
2036 [12:02:28] <ntd2> Psy-Q, i did not test it THAT much, but on my nvidia proprietary its working fine (tested out of curiosity for about 1 hour)
2037 [12:02:41] <ntd2> but I did not test with plasma, only gnome3
2038 [12:02:46] <Psy-Q> ah, that explains it
2039 [12:02:55] <Psy-Q> gnome/mutter has gained some eglstreams patches i believe
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2041 [12:03:22] <Psy-Q> i thought i'd read something on phoronix recently about opengl performance issues, let's see if i can find it
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2043 [12:03:39] <ntd2> I would start using wayland, but I have some projects I work on that use X11 libraries and also imho gnome3 is not very usable (to me, personal opinion, no shitstorming!)
2044 [12:04:28] <tomodachi> ntd2: nothin is stoping you from ussing x applications in wayland
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2046 [12:04:48] <tomodachi> you can ofc transparently run them under wayland
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2050 [12:05:27] <ntd2> tomodachi, there are reasons. e.g. if you use the MIT-SHM extension ;)
2051 [12:05:27] <Psy-Q> ah no, with intel opengl drivers at least wayland is now almost caught up with xorg it seems: replaced-url
2052 [12:06:29] <Psy-Q> and Radeon as well: replaced-url
2053 [12:06:41] <ntd2> sounds great
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2055 [12:06:43] <Psy-Q> so it seems the only issues could be on nvidia then. and the missing plasma
2056 [12:07:00] <ntd2> I hope mate devs geht the bogus of mir-over-wayland out of their heads, then I am happy :P
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2059 [12:07:14] <Psy-Q> Radeon seems to be even faster on wayland than on x in some benchmarks
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2062 [12:07:40] <Psy-Q> and i'll be following mgraesslin very closely then, about those eglstreams :)
2063 [12:08:25] <Psy-Q> that was the last word spoken on it so far as far as i know: replaced-url
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2077 [12:13:10] <hellyeah> yo
2078 [12:13:21] <ntd2> ya
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2080 [12:13:33] <hellyeah> "you must be new fella
2081 [12:13:49] <ntd2> nah
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2083 [12:14:23] <hellyeah> okay
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2085 [12:14:29] <hellyeah> how is it hanging there?
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2089 [12:15:47] <babilen> hellyeah: You might be looking for #debian-offtopic
2090 [12:16:15] <Psy-Q> hrm. this talk made me want to switch to AMD now. wonder if the mesa in debian 9 is new enough for all the gaming stuff on vega
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2092 [12:17:32] <Psy-Q> ah crap, no vega on 4.9. oh well.
2093 [12:17:38] <mrm> babilen: I'm sorry, but discussions of #debian-offtopic are offtopic here. You might want to discuss it in #debian-offtopic instead.
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2095 [12:18:05] * babilen eyes mrm suspiciously
2096 [12:19:19] * RoyK wonders if babilen should be on #debian-not-quite-on-topic-but-close
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2099 [12:21:04] <hellyeah> babilen,
2100 [12:21:04] <hellyeah> ops
2101 [12:21:10] <hellyeah> i am sorry wrong channel
2102 [12:21:22] <hellyeah> i supposed i am in #web-social
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2113 [12:25:29] <mrm> I misread that for a second and thought someone had kicked babilen, and wasn't sure whether to say something.
2114 [12:25:43] <babilen> Could we just move on? :)
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2124 [12:28:59] <oo_miguel> Can any one recommend a simple lightweight reverse proxy which I can use to route ssh requests to different ssh servers (similar as I use nginx for http/https requests) based on the domain name?
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2126 [12:29:53] <JustASlacker> just use ssh config file
2127 [12:30:03] <oo_miguel> ... and is it possible at all.
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2130 [12:30:11] <petn-randall> oo_miguel: SSH does not have the equivalent of server name indications, so I don't think it's possible.
2131 [12:30:27] <oo_miguel> JustASlacker: sshd config file?
2132 [12:30:29] <JustASlacker> have a ssh config file and specify jump host per target
2133 [12:30:33] <JustASlacker> no, ssh config
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2137 [12:31:28] <oo_miguel> JustASlacker: I understand that the ssh config file configures the behaviour of a local ssh client, right?
2138 [12:31:58] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
2139 [12:32:00] <JustASlacker> yes
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2142 [12:32:23] <JustASlacker> replaced-url
2143 [12:32:28] <JustASlacker> need to google a bit
2144 [12:32:35] <oo_miguel> JustASlacker: ok Ill have a look thank you
2145 [12:32:41] <JustASlacker> syntax in recent ssh is slightly changed than in those links
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2147 [12:33:01] <JustASlacker> but in broad terms, it allows you to specify a proxycommand per host
2148 [12:33:15] <JustASlacker> Host aoraki
2149 [12:33:15] <JustASlacker> ProxyCommand ssh -q ruapehu nc -q0 aoraki 22
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2154 [12:34:56] <petn-randall> Well, easier way is to just use -J, they added that recently.
2155 [12:35:02] <babilen> "-W "%h:%p"" is quite nice in that context
2156 [12:35:23] <babilen> petn-randall: What does that do?
2157 [12:35:27] <oo_miguel> petn-randall: I suspected this (that there might be no servername equivalent).. I will try the jumphost approach
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2160 [12:36:16] <babilen> Ah, nice .. I guess it's time to update some SSH configs again
2161 [12:36:16] <petn-randall> babilen: It's a shortcut for setting up a TCP forwarding, so you just have to do "ssh -J user1@jumphost user2@finaldestination" and it'll work.
2162 [12:36:35] <babilen> ProxyJump is the config entry
2163 [12:36:41] <babilen> Nice :)
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2165 [12:37:17] <oo_miguel> will specyfng the destination with the + also work for sftp clients (i.e filezilla etc)
2166 [12:37:32] <oo_miguel> or is this something the client has to be aware of?
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2169 [12:38:22] <oo_miguel> maybe I can do the proxying based on username otherwise, if possible?
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2172 [12:40:45] <tobiasBora> petn-randall: thanks for replaced-url
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2177 [12:44:20] <colo-work> tobiasBora, does it not send the cookie header? (you can verify by using the "-v" option)
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2328 [13:55:04] <colo-work> tobiasBora, can you paste the whole output, incl. your invocation of curl (and maybe your cookie-jar file contents)?
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2333 [13:56:40] <jelly> !paste
2334 [13:56:40] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2335 [13:56:56] <laughingtiger> guys I'm sorry about what I complained about firefox unstable in debian, it's now cleared that the problem was caused by the wireless router made in china.p.r, after I changed the firmware to openwrt, no problems ever appeared again.
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2339 [13:59:06] <sillyslux> what's a good replacement for x11vnc to export one of several xinerama displays?
2340 [13:59:13] <laughingtiger> the original firmware that was shipped with the router developed by those tried a lot of things, including hijacking the browser, implanting advertisements, stealing users data, etc, I bet they sent them to the stink government/
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2346 [14:00:37] <laughingtiger> it was worse than garbage.
2347 [14:00:52] <laughingtiger> made in china, what a joke.
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2355 [14:03:20] <wozzoz> hi all, any modern fix for this: replaced-url
2356 [14:03:21] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2375 [14:11:26] <laughingtiger> yeah, all commies stinks and I'll shut.
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2396 [14:24:04] <Debian_Alain> n Debian-facile
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2398 [14:24:33] <Debian_Alain> #join debian-facile
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2431 [14:39:10] <RedSoxFan07> Hello
2432 [14:39:32] <RedSoxFan07> What is the focus of #debianfacile?
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2441 [14:44:40] <jelly> never heard of it
2442 [14:45:06] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: which network is that channel on?
2443 [14:45:19] <RedSoxFan07> no clue
2444 [14:45:39] <abrotman> where did you see the reference?
2445 [14:45:46] <RedSoxFan07> This channel.
2446 [14:46:14] <RedSoxFan07> I accidentally left my laptop on and it picked up a piece of last night's conversation.
2447 [14:46:30] <RedSoxFan07> Oops
2448 [14:46:34] <jelly> it's hard to say what that person wanted to do and where.
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2450 [14:46:40] <RedSoxFan07> Yeah
2451 [14:46:47] <abrotman> People make mistakes in IRC
2452 [14:46:51] <abrotman> and IRL!
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2454 [14:47:33] <RedSoxFan07> What's IRL?
2455 [14:47:47] <digdilem> in real life
2456 [14:48:13] <Alina-malina> I need some tutorial on how to configure VPN in debian fo 1 program only
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2458 [14:48:24] <n4dir> if you search for debian facile you will get a result about a project, but it is in french (not sure if it still exists at all)
2459 [14:48:37] <rephlexie> missing a "-", its #debian-facile I think
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2462 [14:49:02] <petn-randall> Alina-malina: That's not how networking works.
2463 [14:49:04] <petn-randall> !goal
2464 [14:49:04] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
2465 [14:49:08] <petn-randall> Alina-malina: ^^^
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2467 [14:49:19] <pseudonymous> Hi - I had some trouble w a USB stick install which booted but some way through the install it insisted that I had no install CD mounted. OK, so I try the Live CD images. Now I've booted into a desktop, but I don't see an install option anywhere, how to proceed ?
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2469 [14:49:46] <Alina-malina> well, i have a program called hexchat, i need to run a VPN and give access only to this hexchat program the rest of the traffic i want to go as it goes usually
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2471 [14:50:26] <Haxxa> Hi I'm trying to clone my drive with clonezilla I just replaced my ssd in my laptop with a 960 evo and it is detected under lsblk but clonezilla won't mount it - any ideas on what I can do?
2472 [14:50:50] <rgr> Just FYI in case any testing bods here - debian-next is a desert. replaced-url
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2474 [14:51:27] <petn-randall> pseudonymous: If your installer image broke it's likely due to using unetbootin or something similar to prepare it. These tools mangle the image in cruel ways, causing really weird forms of breakage.
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2476 [14:52:31] <pseudonymous> petn-randall: shouldn't be. But can I install from this live installer USB stick which landed me in a MATE desktop ?
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2479 [14:54:39] <sillyslux> what should i use as vncserver and what as vncviewer if a) i want to export only one xinerama display and b) i want the pointer to be drawn
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2481 [14:55:29] <sillyslux> x11vnc + xvnc4viewer was good but it seems that xvnc4viewer is no more
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2484 [14:55:47] <n4dir> pseudonymous: the live CD's are not meant to be used as an installer.
2485 [14:56:00] <n4dir> they contain one though, but don't use them.
2486 [14:56:24] <pseudonymous> n4dir: why ? I'm under a time-crunch, I really just need this thing operational stat
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2488 [14:56:36] <n4dir> known for problems, etc.
2489 [14:56:47] <simbalion> I've got a Samsung UHD monitor that is supposed to have 60hz refresh but it's only showing 30hz apparently? Is this because of my graphics drivers?
2490 [14:56:55] <pseudonymous> Ok, is there a blessed guide then ?
2491 [14:57:10] <jelly> RedSoxFan07: there is however, a --- Topic for #debian-facile is Entraide pour Debian | IRC≠hotline, ATTENDEZ ! | Asso, forum, doc: replaced-url
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2493 [14:57:37] <jelly> no idea what that one is about
2494 [14:57:41] <pseudonymous> Debian's site is a merry-go-round of pages on pages of test images, snapshots, jigdo this, hybrid that. There must be a common path catering to the "I just want an install running, here's a USB".
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2497 [14:58:27] <n4dir> i usually plug in the USB stick and hit the enter key a couple of times ...
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2499 [14:58:41] <RedSoxFan07> pseudonymous: Yeah, it could be a lot easier to navigate.
2500 [14:58:46] <jelly> pseudonymous: there are some issues running the installer from live. To avoid those, use the actual installer
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2505 [14:59:27] <RedSoxFan07> jelly: Yeah.
2506 [14:59:29] <pseudonymous> n4dir: that's what I want. I have installed this on 1 pc a month ago and now I've forgotten the process. I just want a page saying "download this, dd/cp/whatever like so, go install"
2507 [14:59:52] <RedSoxFan07> It also helps if you go with the non-free version because it includes non-free drivers, which you might need.
2508 [14:59:53] <pseudonymous> that's what I'm looking for right now, a blessed image to use for a functioning install given that I want to use a USB stick, which I presume is by far the most common setup these days
2509 [15:00:18] <pseudonymous> RedSoxFan07: couldn't find it last time, had to load FW in via secondary USB. Where is this image ?
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2511 [15:00:43] <n4dir> !firmware
2512 [15:00:44] <dpkg> Firmware is software to operate electronic devices, usually contained in EPROM or flash memory. Some Linux kernel drivers require firmware to be provided from userspace, notably for <WiFi> devices. Most firmware files are not part of a Debian release as they do not conform to the <DFSG>; some are available via <contrib> and <non-free> packages, ask me about <search>. See also <installer firmware>. replaced-url
2513 [15:00:52] <n4dir> !installer firmware
2514 [15:00:52] <dpkg> Debian-Installer is able to load additional <firmware>, by including it within installation media or supplying on removable media (e.g. USB stick, floppy). See replaced-url
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2517 [15:01:21] <petn-randall> !firmware images
2518 [15:01:21] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2519 [15:01:27] <petn-randall> pseudonymous: ^^^
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2521 [15:01:36] <n4dir> thank you , sir petn-randall :-)
2522 [15:01:37] <RedSoxFan07> pseudonymous: I found it once about a year ago. I can't find it now. I'll keep looking.
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2524 [15:02:08] <RedSoxFan07> pseudonymous: Here it is: replaced-url
2525 [15:02:27] <n4dir> still wondering why the installer doesn't seem to recognize the usb-stick but asks for a CD. I sure never ran in that when using debian.
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2528 [15:02:48] <pseudonymous> RedSoxFan07: thanks a heap man, really :)
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2530 [15:03:42] <petn-randall> n4dir: That is always the case when people use unetbootin or some weird tools to prepare the USB stick. The other common failure mode of unetbootin is that the installer then writes the grub onto the stick, breaking the installer and making the system unbootable.
2531 [15:03:48] <RedSoxFan07> pseudonymous: While I admire the ideals and integrity of free software supporters, I just want my hardware to work, and I doubt that drivers can be malicious.
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2533 [15:04:06] <RedSoxFan07> petn-randall: I've found that Etcher works very well.
2534 [15:04:30] <RedSoxFan07> pseudonymous: You're welcome
2535 [15:04:36] <petn-randall> !etcher
2536 [15:04:36] <dpkg> hmm... etcher is initial testing shows etcher is not a reliable way to copy debian images for installation. instead use cp or dd for linux, or win32diskimager for windows. replaced-url
2537 [15:04:39] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: ^^^
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2539 [15:05:12] <n4dir> petn-randall: ah, thanks. He neither confirmed nor negated that yet.
2540 [15:05:24] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Every other month there's a new tool that pops up that claims to make it easier. But the ways to prepare USB images are documented in the release notes and work 100%, the other tools not so.
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2542 [15:05:51] <petn-randall> pseudonymous: What steps did you take to prepare the USB stick?
2543 [15:06:03] <n4dir> can't see how it could be any easier then with the default tools ...
2544 [15:06:43] <pseudonymous> petn-randall: I stumble around the help pages. I basically (right now) use cp+sync as outlined in some of the debian pages
2545 [15:07:08] <sillyslux> aww, i've downloaded and installed the jessie package of xvnc4viewer and everything seems fine, what might be the reason for it to be turned into an transitional package?
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2548 [15:07:45] <petn-randall> pseudonymous: This is the official and working documentation to it: replaced-url
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2551 [15:08:26] <pseudonymous> Yup, I do the thing at the top, cp + sync
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2573 [15:19:45] <tobiasBora> colo-work: Here is the output: replaced-url
2574 [15:20:56] <tobiasBora> colo-work: Here is the cookie_jar : replaced-url
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2581 [15:21:56] <tobiasBora> And here is the command I used; replaced-url
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2585 [15:22:47] <tobiasBora> as you can see, I can't see any cookie header
2586 [15:23:24] <tobiasBora> but sometimes I indeed have some cookie header, I'm wondering if this big string is not causing the drop of the headers...
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2590 [15:26:53] <sn0wmonster> Question! From within a shell script, I want to open /etc/proxychains.conf, look for the line containing only "proxy_dns" and I want to add "#" before it (to comment it out). Is this possible?
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2601 [15:29:47] <petn-randall> sn0wmonster: You could use 'sed' for that.
2602 [15:30:09] <sn0wmonster> oooh! never heard of that before.
2603 [15:30:37] <tremolo> sed is incredibly handy
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2606 [15:32:02] <RedSoxFan07> tremolo: and its syntax is often used in IRC
2607 [15:32:05] <sn0wmonster> thank you! plenty of resources explaining how to do it with sed, i am satisfied. cheers
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2609 [15:32:22] <sn0wmonster> RedSoxFan07, is that the s/from/to replacement i always see?
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2611 [15:33:35] <sillyslux> sn0wmonster, e.g. sed -i -r 's/(\s*gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme\s*=\s*)(.+)/\10/g' ~/.config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini
2612 [15:33:52] <sn0wmonster> nice. thank you
2613 [15:34:10] <RedSoxFan07> sn0wmonster: yes sir!
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2615 [15:34:45] <sillyslux> this would change gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=1 to gtk-application-prefer-dark-theme=0 in the file (last arg)
2616 [15:35:26] <sillyslux> there's also #sed and #bash channels
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2620 [15:36:57] <petn-randall> sn0wmonster: s/from/to/ is perl-compatible regex, that is used by a lot more things, too.
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2622 [15:38:10] <sn0wmonster> nice! got it working, thank you!
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2630 [15:42:10] <mxh-> ok so i have a problem with NetworkManager not connecting after sleep
2631 [15:42:19] <SimonB> Could anyone kindly explain to me why /proc/cpuinfo would only list even numbered cores on a 2 CPU server?
2632 [15:42:21] <mxh-> if i restart wpa_supplicant it connects right away
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2634 [15:42:55] <mxh-> i'm not comfortable enough with systemd to troubleshoot this, been looking at journalctl and some of the services
2635 [15:43:07] <mxh-> but nothing looks off to me. any idea on where to look?
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2642 [15:45:51] <mxh-> i should say suspend really
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2647 [15:46:24] <laravel> can i ask something?
2648 [15:46:36] <likcoras> !ask
2649 [15:46:36] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2653 [15:47:31] <laravel> dpkg: thx dude
2654 [15:47:31] <dpkg> laravel: I wish you would RTFM.
2655 [15:47:44] <laravel> dpkg: what is RTFM ? :D
2656 [15:47:45] * dpkg gives ? :D an engraved copy of the fucking how-to and directs ? :D to understand it fully.
2657 [15:48:05] <ntd2> RTFM = Read the fine manual
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2659 [15:48:16] <ntd2> altough there are alternate definitions regarding the "f" floating around
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2661 [15:48:25] <zoomm10> Hello, is possible do not remove file/dir with 777 permission from any user? Thank you
2662 [15:48:31] <ntd2> yes
2663 [15:48:36] <ntd2> argh
2664 [15:48:36] <ntd2> no
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2666 [15:48:40] <laravel> ntd2: thx
2667 [15:48:54] <Wulf> zoomm10: question is not really clear. Are you looking for chmod +t?
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2672 [15:49:39] <petn-randall> zoomm10: What is your ultimate goal? What are you trying to achieve?
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2678 [15:50:58] <laravel> okay.. somebody in here have tried a richochet for contact someone or your friend? did you feel the problem sometimes cannot connect to your friend in richocet?
2679 [15:51:01] <zoomm10> i want to read to write and execute that file
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2681 [15:51:31] <laravel> as we know.. they use a tor connection.. but have little problem
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2691 [15:54:02] <zoomm10> i do not want to change the permission 777, but no anyone can delete this file...
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2693 [15:54:21] <petn-randall> zoomm10: Why does everyone need to write to that file?
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2695 [15:54:33] <ntd2> create a hardlink to that file
2696 [15:54:44] <ntd2> in case anyone deletes it it will still be there in some backupped place
2697 [15:54:57] <ntd2> or do: alias rm="echo No! Dont!"
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2699 [15:55:26] <petn-randall> Someone could still overwrite the file with empty data. Which is why I'm asking for the use case.
2700 [15:55:50] <ntd2> if they have write permissions of course
2701 [15:56:10] <ntd2> 777 is bogus, but a hardlink would achieve that its not deletable, if the hardlink has different permissions
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2706 [15:57:47] <SimonB> chown to a trusted user, then set sticky bit? (chmod +t)
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2742 [16:13:29] <jelly> ntd2: hardlink cannot have different permissions, it's literally the same file, just shown in two places
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2744 [16:14:01] <jelly> there is no "original" file with hardlinks
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2748 [16:16:34] <tw> specifically, it's the same inode. The different directory entries reference the same inode in a hardlink. Permissions, timestamps, and attributes are all on the inode.
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2751 [16:18:55] <petn-randall> tw: I always thought hardlinks just point to the same file contents. I actually tested this, and changing permission on one hardlink also changed the other. TIL. :)
2752 [16:19:22] <tw> I thought I could do the same one time as well.
2753 [16:19:38] <tw> did not work as I planned and that's when I learned linux vfs XD
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2756 [16:21:59] <jelly> more amusing stuff with hardlinks: if a file has more than one link, you can't know where the other one is stored and have to find ... -inum xxxx thru the whole filesystem tree
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2760 [16:23:25] <jelly> this is why cp and rsync do not deal with hardlinks by default, it's somewhat expensive to find them
2761 [16:23:33] <zarzar> hi is there something in debian that would block ssh connections that are not kept alive?
2762 [16:23:57] <Wulf> zarzar: context?
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2770 [16:25:41] <zarzar> Wulf: i have a debian embedded board (beagleboneblack) that will drop SSH connections and leave a hung ssh connection until reboot of keys are regenerated
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2772 [16:26:41] <petn-randall> jelly: I'm aware of most caveats around hardlinks, which is why I try to avoid them where possible.
2773 [16:27:17] <petn-randall> zarzar: What happens with the keys on reboot?
2774 [16:27:19] <tw> jelly: it's actually not too costly as long as they store a list of dir/inode mappings as they encounter them. All of them.
2775 [16:27:21] <zarzar> Wulf: i have a debian embedded board (beagleboneblack) that will drop SSH connections and leave a hung ssh connection until reboot or known_host files are regenerated
2776 [16:27:37] <tw> They're already doing a full scan prior to transferring the files.
2777 [16:27:43] <tw> (in the case of rsync)
2778 [16:27:57] <Wulf> zarzar: no idea really, strace and tcpdump might help
2779 [16:28:00] <jhutchins_wk> zarzar: That is not normal Debian behavior.
2780 [16:28:21] <zarzar> petn-randall: the ssh connection seems to remain open until reboot, after reboot i can connect again, or if i delete known hosts on ubuntu machine i can then connect again as well
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2782 [16:28:58] <petn-randall> zarzar: Why do you have to delete known_hosts?
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2784 [16:29:04] <zarzar> jhutchins_wk Wulf: may be some special sauce from beaglebone cumminity added to image
2785 [16:29:44] <zarzar> petn-randall: deleteing known hosts causes a new key to be used, i think this allows a new ssh connection, so the hung connection does not interfere
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2789 [16:31:57] <petn-randall> zarzar: known_hosts where the public key of the host is saved. So unless a new key is generated, you shouldn't be doing this. What happens if you don't delete this file?
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2792 [16:32:52] <zarzar> petn-randall: if i do not delete then i cannot reconnect after an ssh connection freezes/drops (its more like a freeze since the connection does not exit cleanly)
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2796 [16:37:22] <petn-randall> zarzar: What error do you get if you do?
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2799 [16:38:59] <zarzar> petn-randall: if i do not delete then i get a connection refused error when trying from ubuntu, or connection timed out from tera term on windows pc
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2801 [16:39:48] <tw> you're connecting from an external device and it is reading known_hosts on the server?
2802 [16:40:18] <petn-randall> zarzar: Sounds like a) the IP address/hostname of your beagle is changing, and you're connecting to different machines, or b) "BeagleOS" is doing something really weird in their images.
2803 [16:40:34] <zarzar> tw: the known_hosts file is on the connecting from device, either windows pc or ubuntu machine
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2806 [16:42:30] <zarzar> petn-randall: ip address could be changing but that would mean the lease is very very short and it reverts back to same ip
2807 [16:42:53] <zarzar> petn-randall: could be weird security in the beaglbone image
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2809 [16:43:42] <zarzar> petn-randall: they disable root for security, because people were using the boards with out any security, root access without password, and putting them on the net that way
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2817 [16:46:23] <EoflaOE> hello everyone. I decided that I am resigning from here because I made a bad contribution to this channel and I will be returning to linux and #debian somewhere in May or July. Things like getting ignored and my questions is being answered rudely (pointless questions, helpless questions, helpless answers). Most of you is nice to me. Last week, I asked ttf (?) a question on linux and he answered me rudely.
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2821 [16:48:12] <tw> zarzar: what does the log file say on the server?
2822 [16:48:22] <petn-randall> zarzar: I can't imagine a scenario where deleting the SSH host keys on boot would improve security.
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2825 [16:48:53] <zarzar> petn-randall: i am not deleteing keys for security, i delete them just to troubleshoot
2826 [16:49:14] <zarzar> petn-randall: maybe i need to change the keep alive setting
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2828 [16:49:25] <petn-randall> zarzar: I'm not saying *you* are deleting them, but some script is deleting them on your beagle during reboot.
2829 [16:49:26] <jelly> maybe stop deleting host keys completely
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2831 [16:49:45] <jelly> in any case, that doesn't sound like debian at all
2832 [16:49:55] <phanter> Hi. Does anybody know in which package I can find the program: killall
2833 [16:50:06] <jelly> judd: file bin/killall
2834 [16:50:08] <zarzar> petn-randall: they are not deleted on reboot, but the session is stopped by the reboot, so the connection is allowed again anew after reboot
2835 [16:50:11] <judd> Search for bin/killall in stretch/amd64: psmisc: usr/bin/killall
2836 [16:50:29] <jelly> phanter: consider using pkill and pgrep instead
2837 [16:50:48] <petn-randall> zarzar: Then how would deleting your known_hosts fix that??
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2843 [16:51:45] <phanter> oke, and in which package are those?
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2845 [16:52:08] <skupra82> hi
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2847 [16:52:22] <jelly> judd: file bin/pkill
2848 [16:52:22] <zarzar> petn-randall: i think deleting known hosts makes the next connection look like a new connection instead of a reconnect to a hung session
2849 [16:52:26] <judd> Search for bin/pkill in stretch/amd64: procps: usr/bin/pkill
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2854 [16:53:09] <phanter> aaah, yes. it is installed by default.
2855 [16:53:12] <phanter> thansk!
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2857 [16:53:17] <g0zzy> Trying to solve a problem that *should* be easy. I want a box to send me an email when it's online. I'm try to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d but my mailing script is telling me that there are DNS problems. Isn't NM meant to run those scripts when the network is in a working state?
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2859 [16:53:36] <ewrrw> Hi, I have added apt package manager to ifc6309 board (arch=aarch64), but there are no mirrors in my /etc/apt/sources.list . So I always get Failed to read sources Error when I run sudo apt-get update. Please point me to a good mirror which can be added to my sources.list
2860 [16:54:11] <skupra82> is debian stretch working with geforce 7025?
2861 [16:54:20] <jelly> ewrrw: which debian release are you using?
2862 [16:54:41] <jelly> !debian suite
2863 [16:54:41] <dpkg> cat /etc/debian_version (or lsb_release -sc). Or check /etc/apt/sources.list. If unsure about the distribution, $ cat /etc/{*version*,*release*,*issue*} should grab almost all distributions.
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2867 [16:55:27] <ewrrw> jelly: I am using a custom distro based on debian jessie
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2872 [16:57:12] <RedSoxFan07> ewrrw: what's it called?
2873 [16:57:24] <RedSoxFan07> ewrrw: Jessie Rides Again?
2874 [16:57:58] <skupra82> whitch debian GUI is best?
2875 [16:58:09] <skupra82> on laptop I use xfce
2876 [16:58:17] <skupra82> but I have 4 gb ram
2877 [16:58:30] <jelly> ewrrw: then ask your distro people about the right repo sources
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2880 [16:58:58] <jelly> ewrrw: if you were running debian, /msg dpkg jessie sources.list
2881 [16:59:18] <mutante> skupra82: there is no "best", there is only the one that fits your needs
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2884 [17:00:00] <skupra82> mutante, i know that but xfce too light
2885 [17:00:10] <skupra82> ugly
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2888 [17:00:47] <mutante> skupra82: ugly is subjective. but having said that, let's make it simple, Gnome is the best :)
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2891 [17:01:28] <skupra82> mutante, :) i suppose
2892 [17:02:09] <mutante> skupra82: Enlightenment DR17 but it's old :)
2893 [17:02:42] <mutante> skupra82: replaced-url
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2898 [17:04:18] <RedSoxFan07> mutante: That sounds familiar.
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2904 [17:04:48] <skupra82> oh too hard for me
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2915 [17:07:06] <EoflaOE> I won't leave this channel. I changed my mind
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2919 [17:08:21] <zarzar> petn-randall: error: Timeout, server ... not responding.
2920 [17:08:49] <jelly> EoflaOE: whatever you do, please keep to the topic in here and avoid non-support writing.
2921 [17:08:57] <EoflaOE> ok
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2934 [17:13:40] <ewrrw> jelly : Actually the distro is made by me, so I got nobody to ask for good repo sources, I tried to use the repo sources listed in debian wiki but even those sources did not work for aarch64 architecture. Thanks for the help!
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2937 [17:14:21] <jelly> ewrrw: what does "dpkg --print-architecture" say on your system?
2938 [17:14:55] <ewrrw> Jelly: it says aarch64
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2940 [17:15:34] <jelly> ewrrw: well, that's the first problem: debian uses "arm64" not "aarch64" as dpkg arch.
2941 [17:16:07] <jelly> ewrrw: did you build dpkg from source?
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2943 [17:16:21] <mxh-> Anyone know how to get wpa_supplicant to wake up after suspend? I have to manually restart it each time.
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2945 [17:17:08] <ewrrw> jelly: I use yocto project to build my distro which makes sure to build dpkg from source.
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2948 [17:18:37] <jelly> ewrrw: then it's not likely debian's binary builds will be compatible
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2958 [17:20:56] <ewrrw> jelly: Thanks for the help!
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2961 [17:21:31] <jelly> ewrrw: if you're lucky and have bootstrapped enough of the system, you might be able to use deb-src sources to get more software to build the debian way on your custom arch
2962 [17:22:15] <jelly> ewrrw: otherwise, if you want to use debian, I suggest setting up an arm64 chroot using debootstrap
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2972 [17:26:34] <ewrrw> jelly: I just checked on wiki, arm64 and aarch64 are one and the same architectures and arm64 was just a fancy name given to aarch64 by Apple. Here is the link: replaced-url
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2975 [17:27:24] <jhutchins_wk> mxh-: You could use network-manager to control it.
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2977 [17:27:39] <RedSoxFan07> ewrrw: Very interesting!
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2981 [17:28:04] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: I do use NetworkManager
2982 [17:28:05] <ewrrw> jelly: If the sources work for arm64, then they should work for aarch64 too right ?
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2984 [17:28:05] <RedSoxFan07> ewrrw: So, theoretically, you could run the arm64 port of Debian on an iPhone.
2985 [17:28:08] <g0zzy> Trying to solve a problem that *should* be easy. I want a box to send me an email when it's online. I'm try to use /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d but my mailing script is telling me that there are DNS problems. Isn't NM meant to run those scripts when the network is in a working state?
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2987 [17:28:25] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: I think... There is a networkmanager service running that just kinda came with debian
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2989 [17:28:43] <jhutchins_wk> ewrrw: The problem is the Debian sources will have a different label for the arch - they won't match.
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2992 [17:29:16] <jhutchins_wk> mxh-: Yes, and use either the cli app or the applet for your desktop to manage it.
2993 [17:29:17] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: I have found a solution actually but that involves making a unit that runs after suspend and runs a shell script to restart wpasupplicant
2994 [17:29:29] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: But it does not work unless i restart wpasupplicant
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2996 [17:29:38] <mxh-> like nmcli just says it can't do anything
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2999 [17:29:49] <jhutchins_wk> mxh-: That sounds like a reasonable solution.
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3003 [17:29:55] <ewrrw> RedSoxFan07: Theoretically It is possible.
3004 [17:30:16] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: Alright, i thought it felt a bit "unclean" but i guess i'll do that :P
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3007 [17:30:25] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: Thanks.
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3012 [17:30:55] <ewrrw> jhutchins_wk: Thanks for the Help! I think I figured it out!!
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3015 [17:31:19] <brw> g0zzy: You could do this with a bash script too. Just see if you can ping 8.8.8.8. If you can, send an email and set a file in /tmp to be network_up. Then when it's down, remove that file, change it to network_down, and wait until it comes back up. YOu could even include how many minutes you were down by looking at the datestamp of network_down. Remember to delete that file and create the network_up file afterwards.
3016 [17:31:21] <tw> RedSoxFan07: only if you could get it to boot, and had the right kernel device tree overlays, and had appropriate hardware drivers, and so on.
3017 [17:31:24] <brw> then cron that for every 5 mins or so
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3019 [17:31:27] <jhutchins_wk> mxh-: If you configure an interface in /etc/network/interfaces, NM will not manage it.
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3023 [17:31:53] <RedSoxFan07> tw: Yeah, the driver issue occurred to me.
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3025 [17:32:09] <tw> getting past the bootloader signatures would probably be the hardest part.
3026 [17:32:38] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: I move around a lot and connect do different wifis so i need a flexible solution
3027 [17:32:50] <mxh-> jhutchins_wk: Otherwise i would
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3032 [17:34:03] <g0zzy> brw: Thanks. I could of course try to ping the mailserver. What if i can't though - loop i suppose?
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3034 [17:34:13] <RedSoxFan07> tw: Yeah, kinda like trying to install linux on a chromebook
3035 [17:34:15] <tw> mxh-: After=suspend.target replaced-url
3036 [17:34:17] <jhutchins_wk> mxh-: That's the reason for NM, so good.
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3040 [17:35:27] <mxh-> tw: For my unit file to restart wpa_supplicant you mean?
3041 [17:35:34] <tw> yes.
3042 [17:35:39] <RedSoxFan07> tw: It's unbelievably difficult to install Linux on a Chromebook. When you get down to it, Chromebooks aren't special in their pricing - you can probably get equally specc'd machines at the same price without ChromeOS. Only other reason to buy ChromeOS devices is because they have CoreBoot instead of totally proprietary BIOS.
3043 [17:35:40] <mxh-> Gotcha. Thanks!
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3048 [17:37:45] <jhutchins_wk> RedSoxFan07: The problem is it's hard to get those other brands without Windows pre-installed.
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3051 [17:39:13] <brw> g0zzy: Just send one ping ata a time
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3053 [17:39:55] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Also true.
3054 [17:40:09] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Though, I don't mind installing Linux.
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3056 [17:40:25] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Just means I get a free WIndows license if I ever need it.
3057 [17:41:00] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Besides, even when companies preinstall Linux, it's not the distro you want. It's always Ubuntu.
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3061 [17:41:37] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: Ubuntu is great for people who are new to Linux and people who aren't too technical.
3062 [17:41:47] <RedSoxFan07> jhutchins_wk: But Debian is where it's at.
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3065 [17:43:24] <tremolo> Even if it was the distro I wanted, it wouldn't be the install I wanted.
3066 [17:44:04] <RedSoxFan07> tremolo: Also true.
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3069 [17:44:48] <RedSoxFan07> tremolo: A big difference being the desktop environment. They might preinstall Gnome or KDE, but you might want XFCE or LXDE or Budgie or Cinnamon.
3070 [17:45:04] <RedSoxFan07> * L X DE
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3072 [17:45:31] <RedSoxFan07> I don't know why it turns x d e into a smiley face
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3075 [17:46:08] <tremolo> Must be something on your client; came through here fine.
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3083 [17:48:33] <zarzar> solved: another device has the same IP address statically assigned
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3106 [17:57:36] <sdgvb> hello all
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3108 [17:57:58] <OtakuSenpai> will eclipse work in xfce
3109 [17:57:59] <OtakuSenpai> ?
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3111 [17:58:21] <sdgvb> i have problem that i cant see anything on my screen.. i was with hdmi and suddently i dont remember what happen. and i somehow able to remote the computer with xrdp. is it possible to set resolution on laptop remotely to screen laptop?
3112 [17:58:39] <OtakuSenpai> or does the lack of a opengl based ui hinder it?
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3114 [17:59:12] <josecapurro> sdgvb: You can use xrandr
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3116 [17:59:29] <sdgvb> josecapurro: i know xrandr. how to use it remotely for screen laptop? any help please?
3117 [17:59:36] <josecapurro> sdgvb: xrandr -q gives you the output name and supported resolutions
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3119 [17:59:49] <sdgvb> josecapurro: im on the remote computer with xrdp will it work?
3120 [18:00:04] <josecapurro> sdgvb: xrandr --output OUTPUT_NAME --auto will do
3121 [18:00:06] <sdgvb> and as a root because i cant login with normal user
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3124 [18:00:22] <sdgvb> will it work with root too? and what OUTPUT_NAME?
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3126 [18:00:51] <josecapurro> sdgvb: First try doing xrandr -q to see the output names
3127 [18:00:57] <sdgvb> yes i got it
3128 [18:01:00] <sdgvb> what next?
3129 [18:01:04] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Then, use them in xrandr --output
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3131 [18:01:26] <josecapurro> sdgvb: For example, in my machine, the output name is LVDS-1
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3133 [18:01:40] <sdgvb> i dont think it will work
3134 [18:01:43] <sdgvb> i will pastebin
3135 [18:01:44] <josecapurro> sdgvb: So it is xrandr --output LVDS-1 --auto
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3137 [18:02:10] <sdgvb> please look replaced-url
3138 [18:02:24] <sdgvb> from xrandr -q .
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3140 [18:03:02] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Ah. I see.
3141 [18:03:40] <sdgvb> is ther a way to change xrandr remotely?
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3143 [18:03:49] <sdgvb> my laptop screen is black..
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3145 [18:03:54] <josecapurro> sdgvb: I'm looking into it...
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3147 [18:04:26] <sdgvb> I also tried on laptop without remotely type xrandr -s 0 and xrandr --auto but none worked and i couldn't see any output :<
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3154 [18:05:35] <jhutchins_wk> sdgvb: Can you switch to a console and get output, or boot to multiuser.target?
3155 [18:05:39] <sdgvb> i tried now use export DISPLAY=:0 and when i type xrandr -q I get No protocol specified and Can't open display :0
3156 [18:05:42] <josecapurro> sdgvb: I think you can use xrandr --display :0 -q
3157 [18:05:47] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Try it
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3160 [18:06:14] <sdgvb> josecapurro: im getting "No protocol specified, Can't open display :0" when type the command you supply.
3161 [18:06:22] <josecapurro> sdgvb: It works in my machine
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3163 [18:06:40] <sonnixin> hi, please i am using debian sid and after update gnome wayland breaks?!, i just want to know were to find the log like in xorg?
3164 [18:06:46] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Do you have a running X session? ps ax | grep X
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3171 [18:07:26] <josecapurro> sdgvb: I have sucessfully changed the resolution of my display over ssh from my phone with xrandr --display
3172 [18:07:41] <sdgvb> i will try again
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3175 [18:08:00] <josecapurro> sonnixin: You can try journalctl -f -m -n 1000
3176 [18:08:06] <sdgvb> i get output from xrandr --display :0 -q after switching to normal user
3177 [18:08:10] <J-BBBBB> Hi, is anyone roundcube from debian 9 using? I have the problem that attachement will not send since the last security update. Is it a know bug?
3178 [18:08:22] <jhutchins_wk> sonnixin: Either $HOME (look for hidden files that start with .) or /var/log/Xorg.0.log
3179 [18:08:26] <sonnixin> will try, thanks josecapurro
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3181 [18:08:37] <sonnixin> jhutchins_wk:
3182 [18:08:39] <josecapurro> sdgvb: OK. Now try changing the resolution.
3183 [18:08:40] <jhutchins_wk> !roundcube
3184 [18:08:41] <dpkg> Roundcube is an <IMAP> client written in PHP. This software is not part of the Debian 8 "Jessie" release (bug #775666) but is available in <jessie-backports>. Debian 7 "Wheezy" users: SQLite v2 support was dropped, see /usr/share/doc/roundcube-sqlite/NEWS.Debian.gz and replaced-url
3185 [18:08:48] <sdgvb> josecapurro: how?
3186 [18:08:51] <sonnixin> jhutchins_wk: i want wayland log is it there too?
3187 [18:09:09] <sdgvb> i tried "xrandr --output eDP-1 --auto" and i get: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCan't open display :10.0
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3190 [18:09:33] <josecapurro> sdgvb: As the normal user, do an xrandr --display :0 -q. Let me see it.
3191 [18:09:49] <jhutchins_wk> sonnixin: No idea. There are more sid users in #debian-next on oftc.net
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3193 [18:09:59] <sdgvb> replaced-url
3194 [18:10:05] <josecapurro> sdgvb: You didn't specified the display.
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3196 [18:10:18] <sdgvb> i did.. eDP-1
3197 [18:10:29] <josecapurro> sdgvb: No. Thats the output
3198 [18:10:43] <sdgvb> oh
3199 [18:10:48] <sdgvb> but it's auto
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3201 [18:10:51] <josecapurro> sdgvb: The command must be xrandr --display :0 --output eDP-1 --auto
3202 [18:11:05] <josecapurro> sdgvb: --auto sets the resolution.
3203 [18:11:12] <josecapurro> !xrandr
3204 [18:11:12] <dpkg> somebody said xrandr was a command-line interface to the <RandR> extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. replaced-url
3205 [18:11:17] <sdgvb> it's still not work
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3207 [18:11:21] <sdgvb> im getting xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed
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3214 [18:13:00] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Your monitor is connected via HDMI?
3215 [18:13:08] <sdgvb> no i disconnect it
3216 [18:13:15] <sdgvb> because i couldn't see anything
3217 [18:13:28] <josecapurro> sdgvb: for this to work, you need the monitor connected
3218 [18:13:51] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Then, run xrandr --display :0 --output HDMI-1 --auto
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3220 [18:14:05] <sdgvb> i will try
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3222 [18:14:09] <sdgvb> i hope it will work
3223 [18:14:22] <josecapurro> sdgvb: If that doesn't work, try xrandr --display :0 --output eDP-1 --auto
3224 [18:14:34] <josecapurro> sdgvb: eDP-1 sounds like DisplayPort
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3226 [18:14:42] <sdgvb> i dont have displayport
3227 [18:14:55] <josecapurro> sdgvb: OK. So it's HDMI, then.
3228 [18:14:57] <sdgvb> im getting this error "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed" on the same commands
3229 [18:15:07] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Run xrandr --display :0 --output HDMI-1 --auto
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3231 [18:15:28] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Hmmmm... idk, then..
3232 [18:15:44] <josecapurro> sdgvb: Gotta go.
3233 [18:15:51] <sdgvb> thx for trying man
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3236 [18:17:44] <msl09> hello
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3238 [18:17:56] <msl09> how do I use a different kernel branch
3239 [18:18:04] <msl09> from the one that's shipped with debian?
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3241 [18:18:47] <msl09> I need it for driver support for my video card
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3244 [18:19:10] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: That's not how it usually works.
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3246 [18:19:32] <msl09> how does it work then?
3247 [18:19:38] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: Drivers not adopted into the kernel project can be compiled from source to match the kernel you have.
3248 [18:19:56] <msl09> ahh
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3250 [18:20:06] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: dkms is a utility that will detect a new kernel and recompile the driver (once the initial install is done).
3251 [18:20:23] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: What card? (Bonus if you know the pciid - lspci -nn)
3252 [18:20:27] <msl09> amd
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3255 [18:21:05] <msl09> ah yeah now that I'm reading it the comment on the bug report said that I should use a different driver, not kernel
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3258 [18:21:15] <jhutchins_wk> !ati
3259 [18:21:15] <dpkg> Where possible, most ATI/AMD graphics processing units are supported using the open source "radeon" driver on Debian systems by default, ask me about <radeon>. To install the proprietary "fglrx" driver, ask me about <fglrx>; installing this directly from amd.com (i.e. with the AMD Catalyst installer) is not supported in #debian, please go to #ati on irc.freenode.net.
3260 [18:21:18] <msl09> replaced-url
3261 [18:21:29] <msl09> the bug that I opened ^
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3263 [18:22:06] <_Strix_> hello guys
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3265 [18:22:30] <jhutchins_wk> msl09: It's pretty well known, AMD/ATI keep changing the driver specs. WHile they do supply linux drivers (which eventually get adopted), it takes a while for them to be packaged in Debian.
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3271 [18:23:57] <msl09> ah damn backports only goes as far as linux 4.13 atm
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3279 [18:26:48] <somiaj> I thought there were no ati/amd drivers (outside of the free radeon and newer amdgpu in the kernel) in debian. fglrx was dropped, and the amdgpupro seems to only have ubuntu packages made by amd/ati.
3280 [18:26:58] <Psy-Q> wasn't it 4.10 that got amdgpu?
3281 [18:27:34] <somiaj> amdgpu has been around since before 4.9, so is in 4.9, now there could be improvements after that I am unaware of.
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3284 [18:28:05] <msl09> yeah I'm using amdgpu driver
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3287 [18:28:30] <Psy-Q> would be good to know what card
3288 [18:28:37] <msl09> but the HDMI audio for this video card is not available for the current version of it
3289 [18:28:43] <somiaj> in debian that is about the best that is supported for newer cards. I belive there is a way to install the ubuntu package on debian, but it requires editing the script from amd/ati and not really supported here.
3290 [18:28:45] <Psy-Q> i think later kernels have support for newer cards
3291 [18:28:51] <msl09> Psy-Q, replaced-url
3292 [18:29:00] <msl09> Radeon RX 460
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3294 [18:29:37] <Psy-Q> ah, sorry. didn't read that earlier, my bad. hmm, there was a changelog with which cards were added when
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3297 [18:30:50] <Psy-Q> oh, just the audio. even more hmm. well, if they already know they're targetting 4.15 it surely won't be any earlier
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3299 [18:31:07] <msl09> yeah
3300 [18:31:16] <Psy-Q> it won't be hard to compile a newer kernel the debian way though, if you want to use the vanilla sources from kernel.org at that point
3301 [18:31:30] <msl09> but now I'm curious to try
3302 [18:31:40] <sdgvb> anyone mind to help me?
3303 [18:31:53] <msl09> even if not having HDMI audio is not a big hassle
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3305 [18:32:08] <msl09> Psy-Q, is there any source on that?
3306 [18:32:22] <Psy-Q> msl09: replaced-url
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3308 [18:32:46] <msl09> thanks Psy-Q
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3312 [18:33:05] <Psy-Q> msl09: no problem. there are some prerequisites to get all the fakeroot, build-essential stuff: replaced-url
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3319 [18:35:14] <msl09> sdgvb, just ask
3320 [18:35:20] <sdgvb> i have important work and i didnt save
3321 [18:35:23] <ongy> with the debian installer, how do I switch to the 2 shell, 3 shell, 4 log tabs that are suggested on the top?
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3323 [18:35:42] <sdgvb> msl09: i asked already.. i am on my remote laptop with xrdp because i only see black screen.
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3327 [18:36:10] <petn-randall> ongy: Usually alt + F2/F3/F4.
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3331 [18:36:42] <sdgvb> xrandr say i have eDP-1 connected but i dont have displayport ;_;
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3333 [18:37:22] <ongy> thx
3334 [18:37:26] <sdgvb> when i type $ xrandr --auto I get this error: "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed"
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3353 [18:44:48] <g0zzy> If i use swapon, is it persistent?
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3355 [18:45:03] <ongy> well, Alt+F# doesn't work for me, but that could just be qemu in -nographic mode being wonky
3356 [18:45:10] <frostschutz> g0zzy, no?
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3358 [18:45:48] <g0zzy> Oh. Do i have to manually edit /etc/fstab?
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3360 [18:45:52] <RoyK> ctrl+alt+f# should work even in X
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3362 [18:46:39] <ongy> that would switch out my host tty :/
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3368 [18:47:30] <jelly> g0zzy: yes, you want a fstab entry for your permanent swap space
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3370 [18:48:09] <sdgvb> help plz
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3372 [18:48:35] <g0zzy> OK. thanks
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3390 [18:53:08] <JordiGH> Firefox 57 on stable?
3391 [18:53:12] <JordiGH> Can it be done?
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3395 [18:53:45] <tremolo> yes
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3401 [18:55:00] <tremolo> I do this by downloading Firefox's tarball, extracting it in /opt/, and creating a symlink in /usr/local/bin/
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3407 [18:56:44] <JordiGH> Hmmmmm...
3408 [18:56:49] <JordiGH> Gross.
3409 [18:56:50] <maxxe> JordiGH, yes. like tremolo said but I also extract it to /usr/local instead of /opt
3410 [18:56:53] <JordiGH> but I guess it probably works.
3411 [18:57:10] <maxxe> depending on your partition strategy :)
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3413 [18:57:13] <JordiGH> Mozilla didn't compile any crap into it this time like they sometimes do, right?
3414 [18:57:17] <JordiGH> Like phoning home?
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3417 [18:57:55] <tremolo> It has a pocket.
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3419 [18:58:39] <g0zzy> I'm keeping some potentially large directories ~/Videos etc. on a partition of another disk. To avoid potentially problems would it be better to use hard links or are normal symlinks OK?
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3424 [19:00:22] <sdgvb> im fucked
3425 [19:01:05] <tremolo> If it's on a separate filesystem, you can't use hardlinks.
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3429 [19:01:29] <g0zzy> Right ;)
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3431 [19:01:59] <tremolo> Not to mention hardlinking directories
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3443 [19:06:27] <sdgvb> i killed lightdm and all process are died ? why
3444 [19:06:51] <somiaj> any process lauched by your dm (Which is your full desktop enviroment) will die with it
3445 [19:06:58] <sdgvb> damn it
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3447 [19:07:08] <sdgvb> why
3448 [19:07:10] <sdgvb> WHYYYYYYYYYY
3449 [19:07:19] <somiaj> because of how child process work
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3453 [19:07:48] <sdgvb> lightdm spawns all process and therefore if i killed the father i murder the sons?
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3455 [19:08:25] <petn-randall> sdgvb: The terminology is "parent process" and "child process", but other than that, yes.
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3457 [19:08:32] <RedSoxFan07> sdgvb: I didn't know the dm played that large of a role. I kinda thought it was just for logging.
3458 [19:08:42] <sdgvb> fuck dm
3459 [19:08:44] <sdgvb> bitch
3460 [19:08:45] <petn-randall> sdgvb: Also, you "kill" processes, not "murder" them.
3461 [19:08:46] <sdgvb> sorry all
3462 [19:08:50] <RedSoxFan07> I mean logging in
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3464 [19:08:51] <sdgvb> i lost all my work
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3468 [19:09:42] <tremolo> Perhaps it was in some application with an autosave feature?
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3470 [19:10:05] <sdgvb> fuck xrandr
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3474 [19:10:47] <sdgvb> i installed linuxvnc and then run on tty 7 but i saw some messages and couldnt control it
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3476 [19:10:49] <sdgvb> wtf?
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3479 [19:11:28] <sdgvb> and then i looked on all processes and on tty7 there was lightdm so i thought killing it will work
3480 [19:11:30] <sdgvb> but it didnt
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3482 [19:12:03] <jelly> sdgvb: is there a tech question or are you just venting?
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3484 [19:12:26] <sdgvb> jelly: do you want me to leave?
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3487 [19:12:51] <jelly> sdgvb: no, just to keep on-topic
3488 [19:13:19] <sdgvb> ok boss
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3513 [19:25:23] <iodev> okay, so here's what I want to do
3514 [19:25:26] <iodev> I want firefox 57
3515 [19:25:45] <iodev> it looks beautiful, can I install it? I don't want esr anymore :D
3516 [19:26:23] <somiaj> iodev: rust isn't in debian so it can't be complied in debian. You can use the pre-complied binary from firefox and install it in $HOME or /opt
3517 [19:26:37] <_rubik> iodev: download the binaries, unpack into /opt, and create sys link
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3519 [19:26:45] <n4dir> Looks like no one is really happy with iceweasel now being firefox again. The never ending story of a web-browser ...
3520 [19:27:00] <iodev> somiaj: _rubik okay, so /opt/firefox then :D
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3522 [19:27:25] <_rubik> n4dir: I will say, I have never been as excited for a browser as 57
3523 [19:27:31] <_rubik> iodev: nailed it!
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3525 [19:28:18] <n4dir> nah, just kidding, i believe you. Was just a joke about the endless discussions regarding firefox/iceweasel. Bit silly ...
3526 [19:28:32] <iodev> _rubik: yeah, I liked it when windows updated firefox
3527 [19:28:37] <iodev> so now I want in debian also :D)
3528 [19:29:02] <jelly> nothing stops from you from using Mozilla's build
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3530 [19:29:21] <Unit193> It's also in unstable even.
3531 [19:29:25] <iodev> ok, purged firefox-esr
3532 [19:29:50] <jelly> I've been using mozilla's esr build for years
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3535 [19:30:34] <aloo_shu> n4dir: blame it on update terror - and 'new' and 'exciting' being equivalent in the user's mind. I've just recently re-read lynx' homepage..
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3538 [19:31:12] <jhutchins_wk> Unit193: That's a good sign that it will probably make it to stable backports fairly soon.
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3540 [19:31:33] <Unit193> jhutchins_wk: By all appearances on the PTS, it won't as it hasn't before.
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3542 [19:31:50] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: unless it requires a ton of new build deps, like newer Rust
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3547 [19:32:12] <jhutchins_wk> My wife was complaining about esr being slow last night. Using all the CPU on facebook. I'm going to switch her to chrome until 57 hits.
3548 [19:32:40] <jhutchins_wk> Core 2 duo, so a bit dated.
3549 [19:32:46] <bluj> never heard of this magical ff 57 build? guess i should look closer..
3550 [19:32:58] <n4dir> aloo_shu: i won't blame anyone, at least not for that (though it sure is a burner the last few days ... ). Been looking at dillo again (i had to, pentium 3), but thought about checking lynx again too
3551 [19:33:18] <jhutchins_wk> bluj: It's supposed to be their hot new thing to compete with chrome for performance.
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3553 [19:33:40] <iodev> now how do I turn on that black theme
3554 [19:33:48] <bluj> neat.. treestyle tabs again!! :-)
3555 [19:34:08] <Unit193> bluj: Biggest downside is that xul addons don't work anymore.
3556 [19:34:18] <iodev> (on win 10 it has black titlebar
3557 [19:34:19] <jelly> jhutchins_wk: but a c2d is sluggy, if you can get a sandybridge or ivybridge i3 or i5 it's a huge improvement
3558 [19:34:23] <iodev> it's beautiful)
3559 [19:34:35] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: "compete with chrome" makes it sound as if i would hate it even more than i have came to since ? version 3? ...
3560 [19:34:36] <tremolo> I'm not doing benchmarks or anything, but it doesn't seem faster to me.
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3565 [19:36:39] <iodev> WOW! the speed, the speed!
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3574 [19:38:48] <iodev> n4dir: try 57 it's fast as lightning!
3575 [19:38:49] <iodev> :d
3576 [19:38:51] <iodev> * :D
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3581 [19:39:29] <Iridos> now you made me wonder how fast lightning is
3582 [19:39:35] <jhutchins_wk> jelly: We'll see what MicroCenter has for refurbs.
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3590 [19:41:08] <iodev> Iridos: 300000 km/s
3591 [19:41:21] <iodev> it's not really that fast, just a metaphor
3592 [19:41:23] <teraflops> placebo
3593 [19:41:28] <iodev> teraflops: nope
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3595 [19:41:47] <iodev> it's clearly got a faster JS engine
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3598 [19:42:02] <aloo_shu> n4dir funny, 3.6.6 has also stayed in my mind as the version that had all the functionality I wanted, any update since then was one I felt *forced* to do
3599 [19:42:06] <Iridos> iodev, nope. that's light.
3600 [19:42:21] <teraflops> so ff 57 increased the speed of the internet? rofl
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3602 [19:42:41] <iodev> Iridos: electricity and light travel at same speed
3603 [19:42:44] <n4dir> aloo_shu: yeah, i for one sure haven't run into anything i have missed, but was forced on me.
3604 [19:42:46] <iodev> teraflops: no, no, no
3605 [19:42:48] <iodev> you don't get it
3606 [19:42:57] <teraflops> I do get it …
3607 [19:43:02] <iodev> the internet stays the same, the page is loaded faster
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3610 [19:43:23] <Iridos> not even light travels at the same speed
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3612 [19:43:29] <teraflops> what loads faster js? xD
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3614 [19:43:37] * teraflops has js disabled
3615 [19:43:56] <iodev> your problem
3616 [19:43:59] <n4dir> give the web-developers a bit of time, they sure will make the increased speed null and void in only a bit
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3618 [19:44:10] <teraflops> iodev: not a problem here
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3620 [19:44:32] <iodev> n4dir: I guess so
3621 [19:44:41] <iodev> but for a few days I get to have 2x as fast
3622 [19:44:47] <n4dir> :-)
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3625 [19:46:00] <n4dir> my main problem isn't the speed for loading webpages. Rather that firefox usually uses 4 times as much RAM as all the rest and that it freezes 10 times a day, or more.
3626 [19:46:14] <aloo_shu> has anyone ever thought of *archivin* the plugi.addon.extension repos on a regular basis? If e.g. xul has been phased out from the browser, I'd expect it to be gone from the repos appx. 5 versions/months later
3627 [19:46:22] <Iridos> iodev, apparently it's on average about 400km/s… so well done. Anyway, feel invited to continue the discussion on #debian-offtopic
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3629 [19:46:40] <iodev> ok, sorry Iridos
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3636 [19:49:38] <RedSoxFan07> n4dir: not in my experience.
3637 [19:49:46] <RedSoxFan07> n4dir: In fact, the new version is even faster.
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3640 [19:51:05] <n4dir> ROOT# ps_mem.py | grep firefox && ps_mem.py | tail -n 2
3641 [19:51:05] <n4dir> 986.6 MiB + 23.7 MiB = 1.0 GiB firefox
3642 [19:51:05] <n4dir> 1.1 GiB
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3645 [19:51:38] <Iridos> n4dir, well, that's not even exactly the main problem… it doesn't freeze for me by far as often… and other browsers are just as memory hungry
3646 [19:52:13] <Iridos> but the one thing that is much better in chorme is the sandboxing that prevents one page from stopping the whole browser
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3652 [19:54:25] <zarzar> can i shut down dnsmasq without screwing up internet connectivity?
3653 [19:54:41] <aloo_shu> I wonder if in 5 years it will be habitual that a web page loads a 300MB operating system into my browser in order to provide me with a nice user experience
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3667 [19:58:30] <Iridos> zarzar, it's a dns proxy? so at worst you could shut down dns queries until you edit resolv.conf for direct access (on all the machines using it)
3668 [19:58:36] <Walakea> can i set a rule to kill any process that allocates more than X GB of memory?
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3675 [20:00:08] <zarzar> Iridos: i would like to shut it down, not using it
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3677 [20:00:52] <mutante> Walakea: yea, with control groups that should work. see the answer with 76 upvotes on replaced-url
3678 [20:00:58] <somiaj> Walakea: I found this in google, replaced-url
3679 [20:01:13] <somiaj> and with systemd, cgroups maybe a better method
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3681 [20:01:24] <mutante> "problems with ulimit"
3682 [20:01:34] <Iridos> yeah, I think those are probably the three major options
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3686 [20:02:28] <Iridos> you'd need to put each process into its own cgroup, though… and make sure it's removed from the one of the parent
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3688 [20:02:36] <Walakea> i wouldn't want to reboot
3689 [20:02:42] <Iridos> anyway, that doesn't seem too worthwhile
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3692 [20:03:23] <Walakea> i am developing an MPI program that uses alot of sends and the problem is that it spwans its own processes
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3697 [20:04:00] <Walakea> i can try to quickly kill the in System Monitor but if i fail i can say goodbye to my GUI for the next 5 minutes
3698 [20:04:17] <Iridos> well, as you said you can disable swap and that won't happen
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3701 [20:05:32] <Iridos> what *will* happen is that oom_killer pulls out its gun and blasts away at some pseudo-random process (I think it's actually the currently active process or so… and so it often kills the culprit… but there's no guaantee it doesn't kill of something else pretty randomly)
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3703 [20:05:50] <Iridos> our compute nodes are all configured without swap
3704 [20:05:52] <Walakea> i once tried "swapoff" but the system activated the partition once it lost availible memory
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3706 [20:06:34] <Iridos> that can't possibly be
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3708 [20:07:30] <jelly> Iridos: yes it can. systemd!
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3710 [20:07:43] <Iridos> jelly, impossible
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3712 [20:07:54] <Iridos> how would it even know
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3715 [20:08:16] <jelly> once it converted your fstab entries to units, it detects one is down and tries to bring it up after manual swapoff
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3717 [20:08:43] <jelly> even without that "once it lost availible memory" I think
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3721 [20:08:47] <Iridos> well, ok… but it'd do that immediately, not when memory gets tight
3722 [20:08:58] <jelly> it's _not_ immediate
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3724 [20:09:24] <jelly> for me it was a less than a minute - some minutes later
3725 [20:09:24] <Walakea> maybe i just gave it a wrong parameter
3726 [20:09:36] <Iridos> I thought services respawn pretty much instantly… like stuff in inittab?
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3730 [20:09:43] <Iridos> jelly, duh.
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3732 [20:09:58] <Iridos> Walakea, well… you can still switch it off using systemd…
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3735 [20:10:28] <Iridos> jelly, I can't say I like the way systemd has its fingers in everything and everywhere…
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3737 [20:10:36] <jelly> eh, the new thing is as buggy as the old thing, except you have to figure out all the new workarounds
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3739 [20:11:05] <n4dir> yup, what became of <do one thing and do it well> ?
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3742 [20:11:21] <jelly> n4dir: sysvinit never did it well either
3743 [20:11:24] <Iridos> no, it's our old beloved and hedged bugs against a bunch of new crap that stinks you the wrong way
3744 [20:11:31] <jelly> it just failed in different ways
3745 [20:11:45] <n4dir> jelly: can't say that i recall sysv did all kind of stuff.
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3747 [20:11:57] <jelly> oh a failed mount? Let's just keep on booting...
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3749 [20:12:04] <Iridos> I mean… before there were a lot of separate and independent systems… and sure, all of them had some bugs or stuff wouldn't work too well with them interacting
3750 [20:12:10] <Iridos> now it's one freakin moloch
3751 [20:12:15] <n4dir> yup.
3752 [20:12:16] <jelly> not really
3753 [20:12:18] <g0zzy> I've got a Mate desktop here. Any way of telling which theme is loaded?
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3757 [20:12:41] <jelly> it's mostly just different. And as you get old, different is BAD
3758 [20:12:45] <Iridos> time to go… sorry for constantly veering towards the offtopic today :)
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3760 [20:13:21] <n4dir> jelly: i don't follow that closely, but that systemd does quite a lot of things is a different matter than being different
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3762 [20:13:42] <Iridos> jelly, nope. before you had separate stuff that was (mostly) in itself simple… and some spit and chewing gum holding it togehter… i.e. pretty clear apis of how stuff interacts
3763 [20:13:43] <jelly> and many of those things have good reasons, too
3764 [20:13:52] <Iridos> now it interacts deep inside the belly of The Moloch
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3767 [20:14:28] <n4dir> the good news: besides the package management it really doesn't matter any more which distro you use.
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3771 [20:16:24] <n4dir> until systemd takes care of that too ...
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3781 [20:20:54] <Walakea> one good trick is to make the program generate text output and pipe it to less
3782 [20:21:49] <Walakea> although that does not solve the problem with child processes
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3791 [20:27:00] <jhutchins_wk> 57 is probably not coming to backports since it probably requires rust, as jelly pointed out over on freenode.
3792 [20:27:11] <jhutchins_wk> Bother.
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3800 [20:30:26] <jelly> arguably one might do a build that merely worked on stretch(+bpo) but wasn't buildable on stretch(+bpo)
3801 [20:30:39] <jelly> and guess what, that's what Mozilla does
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3803 [20:32:17] <somiaj> everyone and their shiny new firefox!
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3827 [20:43:24] <hassoon> why is debian.org in french? is the site using some user local language detection thingy to choose the language of the site? shoudln't it be in english by default ?
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3830 [20:44:19] <mutante> hassoon: must be browser language or geo IP.it's not French for me
3831 [20:44:36] <hassoon> mutante: ah that
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3834 [20:45:00] <mutante> hassoon: replaced-url
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3836 [20:45:23] <mutante> (there are the other lang links like that at the bottom)
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3838 [20:46:02] <hassoon> mutante: yeah but debian.org should redirected to that */index.en.html file in the backgorund imo
3839 [20:46:03] <hassoon> *should be *
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3842 [20:46:36] <hassoon> oh snap where did these google-chrome.list mine.list skype-stable.list come from in my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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3845 [20:46:47] <hassoon> so that's why i'm getting some google eror thing where i do apt-get update
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3848 [20:47:30] <mutante> hassoon: it does for me, is it not your browser language that is set to French?
3849 [20:48:11] <hassoon> mutante: in fact everything in my iceweasel is english, menu, dev tools, etc
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3853 [20:49:37] <mutante> hassoon: are you in a country that is French speaking?
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3864 [20:55:28] <hassoon> mutante: yeah i am
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3867 [20:56:16] <mutante> hassoon: i guess then it actually uses geoDNS to guess the best language from a database of IP addresses->country
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3869 [20:56:44] <mutante> hassoon: i agree it's not always the best idea
3870 [20:57:18] <mutante> it's making a best-effort though
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3872 [20:57:50] <hassoon> mutante: yep
3873 [20:57:53] <mutante> you could confirm it by using Tor or a VPN
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3876 [20:58:37] <n4dir> i am from Germany, and if i visit debian.org it sure isn't german
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3903 [21:12:37] <RoyK> n4dir: replaced-url
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3906 [21:13:32] <RoyK> n4dir: there are links to other languages at the bottom
3907 [21:13:36] <n4dir> I was giving info about the specuations regarding hassoons question
3908 [21:14:34] <RoyK> the default language you get on the page corresponds to the browser's default language
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3912 [21:15:34] <n4dir> ah.
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3916 [21:16:43] <architekt> Is there a smooth way to install packets as a user?
3917 [21:16:52] <RoyK> architekt: sudo
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3919 [21:16:55] <architekt> With its dependencies into the home directory
3920 [21:16:59] <RoyK> no
3921 [21:17:02] <greycat> absolutely not
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3925 [21:17:16] <greycat> Debian package are installed system-wide only.
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3928 [21:17:55] <RoyK> except things like python/perl/something that can be installed as a user
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3933 [21:19:16] <greycat> not from a .deb it can't; upstream, maybe.
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3936 [21:20:06] <RoyK> greycat: yes, but from pip/easy_install/cpan, you can install things as a user, but then, not libraries that it may need
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3939 [21:20:21] <n4dir> perlbrew ...
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3941 [21:22:35] <jelly> install "things" yes, deb packages no
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3974 [21:38:14] <jhutchins_wk> On campus mainfraims, it used to be standard practice for users to install their own local software under their own $home.
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3976 [21:38:35] <jhutchins_wk> That way they didn't risk "contaminating" the local environment.
3977 [21:38:39] <greycat> And you can do that on Debian too, by installing upstream versions from source.
3978 [21:38:49] <greycat> Not from .deb packages.
3979 [21:39:00] <jhutchins_wk> This was pre package management, you would compile your own install from source. Right.
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4011 [21:54:28] <architekt> I agree with jhutchins_wk. I'm on a machine which is being ssh'd into by many people
4012 [21:54:30] <jadesoturi> hi all
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4017 [21:54:55] <jadesoturi> trying to install phpmyadmin on a debian vm but it failes since the installer does not promt for the mysql root password.. how to fix this?
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4019 [21:55:10] <architekt> And installing upstream versions is not an option. I wonder what is the reason why there is no solution available already for normal package management
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4022 [21:55:30] <greycat> Because it's not designed to do that.
4023 [21:55:55] <architekt> Ok. But do you also think that there is demand for that?
4024 [21:56:20] <jhutchins_wk> !phpmyadmin
4025 [21:56:20] <dpkg> phpMyAdmin is a tool written in PHP intended to handle MySQL administration over the Internet. Can create and drop databases, create/drop/alter tables, delete/edit/add fields, execute any SQL statement, and manage keys on fields. Read /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin/README.Debian and run "dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin" to configure your web server. replaced-url
4026 [21:56:33] <teraflops> architekt: upstream is stable too, dev branches are the unstable ones
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4028 [21:57:05] <architekt> teraflops: The problem with upstream (if you mean the same thing) is that you have to install all the dependencies by hand
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4032 [21:57:18] <architekt> not just $ user-install foo && ./bin/foo
4033 [21:57:24] <jhutchins_wk> architekt: Most of the systems that need that kind of feature are capable of building their own package management.
4034 [21:57:34] <teraflops> architekt: only the ones you do not match in your running system
4035 [21:57:44] <greycat> python venv comes to mind here
4036 [21:57:48] <teraflops> yeah
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4039 [21:58:05] <jhutchins_wk> architekt: A good build script searches for necessary dependencies and provides a list.
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4042 [21:58:30] <architekt> Yeah but experience says it always takes longer then expected
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4049 [22:00:50] <jadesoturi> jhutchins_wk: doesnt realy help. iv allready read the readme file. nothing there about the root password once its been set on mysql
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4058 [22:06:03] <jadesoturi> all the guides say that i will be promted for the administrative user password durring phpmyadmin install - but i never am..
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4074 [22:14:07] <TJHSjjd> Where is located the updated package changelog for debian 9?
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4077 [22:15:12] <greycat> each pacakge has its own changelog, in /usr/share/doc/PKGNAME/changelog.Debian.gz
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4091 [22:19:41] <TJHSjjd> I see, is there a global changelog for debian (updated packages , removed unmaintained packages, etc.)?
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4093 [22:20:15] <Marbug> Hi, I'm creating an lxc container with the debian tamplate through ansible, but when I execute container_command eth0 isn't present, even if I wait etc.. it doesn't help. But right after that eth0 is always present. I don't have that problem with the gentoo nor ubuntu template, anyone who could lead me to the right direction in solving this problem?
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4095 [22:20:53] <greycat> If it's a stretch install, the interface name may not be eth0.
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4100 [22:23:08] <Marbug> greycat, well there is just lo and sit0 present, after that eth0 is added as extra
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4102 [22:23:25] <Marbug> strange thing but I got the same problem with alpine
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4107 [22:24:14] <dutchfish> Marbug, assuming your lan card is wired, it would be something like enp4s0 (ip a, gives you thta in a list)
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4109 [22:24:43] <greycat> if he's saying that it eventually shows up as eth0, then either it's not stretch, or he's modified it to use the old names
4110 [22:24:48] <Marbug> shouldn't ifconfig give the same result dutchfish ?
4111 [22:24:59] <greycat> and ifconfig is present? almost certainly not stretch.
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4113 [22:25:10] <dutchfish> greycat, right
4114 [22:25:11] <Marbug> well no lxc do create them as eth0
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4118 [22:25:35] <Marbug> and what do you mean with stretch ?
4119 [22:25:44] <greycat> Are you even in the right CHANNEL?
4120 [22:25:55] <teraflops> I recall having eth0 after dist-upgrading from jessie on a couple of VMs
4121 [22:26:13] <greycat> teraflops: yes, because it's an upgrade rather than a new install
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4126 [22:30:10] <iTeV> exit
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4129 [22:31:23] <Marbug> Well due to the fact it's debian, I should be in the right channel yeah
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4131 [22:31:39] <greycat> !stretch
4132 [22:31:39] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
4133 [22:31:57] <Marbug> it's installed through debootstrap
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4136 [22:32:29] <Marbug> mmm how can I check which version of the debian it is after it's installed ?
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4139 [22:32:55] <Marbug> it has no less or ping even installed btw, maybe that can giee a suggestion whiich version it is :p
4140 [22:33:25] <greycat> cat /etc/debian_version
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4143 [22:34:09] <greycat> hard to guess which version would have ifconfig and old-style eth0 interface names, but not ping
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4147 [22:34:45] <Sprinterfreak> Hi guys. I'm having troubble installing latest stretch via netboot-image from usb
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4151 [22:35:34] <Sprinterfreak> First it doesn't find a "cd". Fix: mount /dev/sdb /cdrom
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4154 [22:36:19] <Marbug> greycat, it said "9.1"
4155 [22:36:29] <greycat> weeeird
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4160 [22:37:12] <greycat> the iputils-ping package is "important" in debian 9, so it really should be there
4161 [22:37:59] <Sprinterfreak> I'm running the installer in test mode. Language, network config, part and installing base system passes without errors. But then it stops with the menue at Configuring Packagemanager
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4163 [22:38:10] <Marbug> I'll check later, as I need to leave
4164 [22:38:17] <help-me_> shit, today I reboot my laptop with debian jessie - it's encrypted with luks. And shit, I can't boot up right now.
4165 [22:39:00] <help-me_> I've not change my cryptsetup pass or anything. It's the same sinc 1 Year.
4166 [22:39:00] <TJHSjjd> Sprinterfreak: Have you checked the integrity of the installation?
4167 [22:39:06] <help-me_> "Please unlock disk sda5_crypt:" ******** ->No key available with this passphhrase. cryptseptup failed, bad password or options?
4168 [22:39:24] <Sprinterfreak> TJHSjjd: not yet. Wait a minute
4169 [22:39:40] <help-me_> what the **** , and I wrote it down, make no mistakes by typing it.
4170 [22:40:12] <help-me_> Any Ideas, suggestion or links
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4172 [22:40:46] <LuckyPete> Please, need the command line syntax to print multiple pdf files that are in a directory. I have tested this to work but I need to have something that mean *.pdf or something that will print all pdf files in there -- lp /home/pi/_printsub/TESTFILE2.pdf -d HP_LaserJet_Professional_P1606dn
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4175 [22:41:23] <Sprinterfreak> TJHSjjd: Bad. It says its not a valid debian install cd. But how to get around this with the netinstall image from usb?
4176 [22:41:37] <greycat> lp -d HP_LaserJet_Professional_P1606dn /home/pi/_printsub/*.pdf
4177 [22:42:24] <TJHSjjd> Sprinterfreak: I see, did you check the sha256 of the iso before putting it into the usb?
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4179 [22:43:28] <Sprinterfreak> TJHSjjd: Also no. I'll do too
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4184 [22:46:24] <Sprinterfreak> TJHSjjd: Sums match. I was pretty shure I have allready installed a vm before with this image
4185 [22:47:15] <Sprinterfreak> This time I try to get it installed on a thin-client-like pc
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4191 [22:48:18] <LuckyPete> gerycat ___ 2 thumbs up. thanks works perfectly. was doing it wrong.
4192 [22:48:33] <Sprinterfreak> what is the cli equivalent of the installers "configure package manager"?
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4194 [22:48:51] <greycat> editor /etc/apt/sources.list probably
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4201 [22:51:27] <Sprinterfreak> greycat: This is basicly what it should do. But I allready tried to put the network-lines in /target/etc/apt/sourced.list. Without luck. Selecting software doesn't show up after this too
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4203 [22:52:16] <greycat> and apt-get update, within the target?
4204 [22:52:34] <greycat> "within" meaning chroot, in case that wasn't clear
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4208 [22:53:36] <Sprinterfreak> greycat: This is worth a try. Wait until I typed the sources.list again
4209 [22:53:45] <Sprinterfreak> :(
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4225 [22:57:59] <TJHSjjd> Oh, how can i be sure that my packages are being updated to the latest ones (i screwed up with some apt configurations beforehand)
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4227 [22:58:13] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
4228 [22:58:13] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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4230 [22:58:41] <LambdaComplex> how can i get nginx's more_set_headers working on Debian 9? i thought i just needed to install nginx-extras but that apparently didn't do it
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4235 [23:00:37] <TJHSjjd> greycat: thank you for the info.
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4240 [23:01:36] <G3mb3ltz> help
4241 [23:01:40] <G3mb3ltz> msf exploit(handler) > exploit -j
4242 [23:01:41] <G3mb3ltz> [*] Exploit running as background job 0.
4243 [23:01:41] <G3mb3ltz> [*] Started reverse TCP handler on 172.20.10.2:4444
4244 [23:01:41] <G3mb3ltz> msf exploit(handler) >
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4255 [23:03:59] <Sprinterfreak> greycat: seems to have partly worked. chrooted into /target edited sources.list and ran apt-get update wich successfully pulled the new list. But the installer is stuck anyway. selecting software does not run
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4258 [23:04:56] <Sprinterfreak> It showes a progress bar for half a second and returnes to the installer main menue
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4260 [23:05:25] <Sprinterfreak> without any error or hint
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4265 [23:05:52] <Sprinterfreak> same for the configuring packemanager
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4288 [23:16:57] <Sprinterfreak> fairly enough. It now lets me at least install aptitude to let me click the shit together manually
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4297 [23:22:43] <david_> Is there any easy way to get an idea of what sort of newer software features I would get with Debian Testing over Debian Stable?
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4299 [23:23:17] <Brigo> david_, installing (maybe in a VM) and check it out.
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4301 [23:23:23] <Kendocino> changelog
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4305 [23:24:43] <david_> Brigo, Ok, sure, or maybe there is a live version. Would I really notice, or is there any popular software which can serve as an example? I have no way of getting a big picture representation of how different other than lots of experience.
4306 [23:24:58] <Kendocino> read the changelog between versions
4307 [23:25:07] <Kendocino> they tell you everything you ned to know
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4309 [23:26:07] <TJHSjjd> Right, i've updated the sources.list, but apt gives me these errors: replaced-url
4310 [23:26:16] <david_> I did check a few software I use and the version installed is listed as the latest on the application website and I use debian stable.
4311 [23:26:46] <Brigo> david_, i would not spect big changes.
4312 [23:26:49] <david_> Clementine media player for examople.
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4314 [23:27:09] <Brigo> even from wheezy to stretch i don't see big changes.
4315 [23:27:15] <david_> ok
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4350 [23:43:05] <TJHSjjd> now whenever i try to apt update, it gives me this error: W: replaced-url
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4353 [23:46:08] <Mathisen> TJHSjjd, mv /etc/apt/trusted.gpg /etc/apt/trusted.bak && apt-key update
4354 [23:46:13] <Mathisen> TJHSjjd, run that as root
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4356 [23:46:23] <Mathisen> if something goes bad you still got the .bak
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4359 [23:48:08] <TJHSjjd> Response from the apt-key: Warning: 'apt-key update' is deprecated and should not be used anymore! Note: In your distribution this command is a no-op and can therefore be removed safely.
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4363 [23:49:37] <Mathisen> but it ran can you update without error now ?
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4368 [23:52:08] <TJHSjjd> Mathise: apt update ran without any errors, but i have to know: what causes this behaviour?
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4370 [23:53:05] <Mathisen> i cant speak for what hapend
4371 [23:53:16] <Mathisen> look a the .bak file permisions
4372 [23:53:34] <Mathisen> and see if it tells you something
4373 [23:54:19] <Sprinterfreak> packages.hs-regensburg.de mirror of deb-src is broken - 404
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4375 [23:54:42] <TJHSjjd> Ah, i see now.
4376 [23:56:45] <TJHSjjd> Thanks for the help.
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