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134 [01:08:01] <plm0404> hi, someone know how to hack instagram in kali linux?
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136 [01:08:28] <plm0404> hi, someone know how to hack instagram in kali linux?
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139 [01:08:45] <plm0404> hi, someone know how to hack instagram in kali linux?
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143 [01:08:56] <Sveta> plm0404: hi, please do not spam.
144 [01:08:58] <tomreyn> yes, you run firefox, and you type instagram.com. then you press enter (but you must press it quickly!)
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146 [01:09:01] <tomreyn> fonr, hacked.
147 [01:09:05] <tomreyn> *done
148 [01:09:24] <Sveta> plm0404: what is your goal here? instagram is a proprietary photo sharing platform.
149 [01:09:27] <tomreyn> u r leet!!11
150 [01:09:38] <lungaro> Gimmme a Script Kiddie......
151 [01:09:59] <tomreyn> oh this is #debian, not #security, i mixed up, sorry about the spam.
152 [01:10:07] <Sveta> oopsies :)
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154 [01:11:04] <guoruei> call fbi
155 [01:11:54] <annadane> plm0404, first, no one on any irc channel is going to tell you how to "hack instagram". and you probably shouldn't, anyway. second, this is not the kali channel. third, hacking is a multi faceted thing no one can just "tell you" how to do
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157 [01:12:16] <annadane> fourth, don't spam the channel
158 [01:12:41] <plm0404> i want to hack instagram because someone crate a page in which he or she put a lot of gossips about me and my community. so... can someone help me?
159 [01:12:58] <Sveta> plm0404: you need to report this to instagram admins.
160 [01:13:03] <Sveta> plm0404: they will remove it.
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163 [01:13:37] <Sveta> plm0404: not really a debian question, is it?
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166 [01:14:12] <plm0404> but i dont want to remove it, i want to know who is the person of tis account
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168 [01:14:32] <tomreyn> plm0404: still off topic here
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170 [01:15:08] <Sveta> plm0404: you can ask ##law for more info, if you think this stuff is illegal, law enforcement may be able to assist.
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175 [01:16:20] <guoruei> u can tall too account user
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177 [01:16:38] <guoruei> MP Him
178 [01:16:47] <klys> debian today is built on a bunch of scripts. more so than redhat was. systemd only adds to the poison. who is making decisions like that?
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180 [01:17:27] <Sveta> klys: browse debian mailing lists and if you dislike it, alter your system or use a derivative distro such as devuan.
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183 [01:17:55] <themill> also, systemd gets rid of bazillions of scripts. And let's not do this again.
184 [01:17:58] <guoruei> gnewsence is good
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268 [02:06:05] <Kedor> 有人吗～
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271 [02:07:03] <TENEX> I
272 [02:07:22] <Kedor> else?
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274 [02:07:31] <annadane> !zh
275 [02:07:32] <dpkg> 如果您想要以中文得到 Debian 相關的協助，請加入 irc.debian.org 或 irc.oftc.net 上的 #dot 頻道，連線與加入頻道的方法請參閱 IRC 程式之相關說明，或於網路上搜尋。謝謝您的合作！
276 [02:07:34] <annadane> Kedor, ^
277 [02:07:50] <Kedor> AHA
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279 [02:08:46] <Kedor> How old are you? annadane
280 [02:09:21] <Kedor> It is so interesting//
281 [02:09:44] <guoruei> wow
282 [02:09:51] <guoruei> chinese
283 [02:09:55] <Kedor> yeah
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285 [02:10:17] <Kedor> I'm 12.
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287 [02:14:49] <guoruei> ok
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289 [02:15:41] <Kedor> are you Chinese ,too?
290 [02:15:51] <guoruei> yeah
291 [02:15:58] <Kedor> wow
292 [02:16:21] <Kedor> 难以置信
293 [02:16:58] <TENEX> 。。。
294 [02:17:00] <Sveta> annadane: #dot is the name of channel?
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296 [02:17:12] <Sveta> oh, wow.
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298 [02:17:32] <Kedor> perhaps，Sveta
299 [02:17:34] <annadane> !offtopic
300 [02:17:34] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
301 [02:17:49] <Sveta> Kedor: does irc://irc.oftc.net/dot click for you?
302 [02:18:23] <Kedor> Err。。。
303 [02:18:35] <Kedor> freenode
304 [02:18:45] <Kedor> I don't know
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306 [02:19:17] <guoruei> haha
307 [02:19:54] <Sveta> I think it works, you are in there
308 [02:20:18] <Sveta> guoruei, irc://irc.oftc.net/dot
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310 [02:21:17] <Kedor> It is the IRC server
311 [02:21:23] <Kedor> Sveta
312 [02:21:32] <lungaro> anyone know if screen has a control socket, similar to tmux?
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315 [02:21:52] <lungaro> i want to list sessions, and then list what commands are running in what screen #
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318 [02:23:18] <Kedor> search engines
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322 [02:24:01] <Sveta> lungaro: i think it uses named pipe /var/run/screen/S-*/*
323 [02:24:59] <Sveta> lungaro: `screen` has a few switches that let you list this stuff too, not sure whether they are useful compared to the info from the socket or named pipe
324 [02:25:00] <lungaro> Trying to figure out the interface ,is it just a simple text based protocol?
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326 [02:26:25] <Kedor> Oh,god
327 [02:26:43] <Sveta> lungaro: to be fair i have no idea, you could run various screen commands and listen to the stuff that's going through the pipe if you know how
328 [02:26:44] <Kedor> You guys are terrific
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334 [02:28:16] <Kedor> anyone know the EMP？
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340 [02:31:46] <guoruei> Kedor: go EMP channal
341 [02:32:07] <lungaro> yeah, I dont get it, i'll see what I can find out. I am using socat, echo "info" | socat PIPE:$SCREEN_PIPE STDIO
342 [02:32:07] <guoruei> let's talk debian here
343 [02:32:08] <Sveta> lungaro: as an option, you could ask #screen, my search queries don't seem fruitful
344 [02:32:09] <lungaro> and nothing works
345 [02:32:28] <lungaro> cheers, i am reding this now, must be missing something simple
346 [02:32:33] <lungaro> ^ replaced-url
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349 [02:33:58] <Kedor> guoruei: Cannot join #EMP (Requires keyword) ....
350 [02:34:03] <Kedor> ...
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358 [02:35:50] <guoruei> Kedor: o
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363 [02:37:22] <Kedor> well
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480 [03:55:14] <Al_lA> is the eeepc repo still available/ eeepc.debian.net won't resolve... but the eeepc wiki page was last updated May 2017
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482 [03:59:25] <Al_lA> oh, it's no longer necessary
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605 [05:00:21] <twatmassager> i like twats
606 [05:00:25] <twatmassager> i like cunta
607 [05:00:32] <twatmassager> cunts cunts
608 [05:00:37] <twatmassager> i like pussies
609 [05:00:39] <twatmassager> sexy pussy
610 [05:00:42] <twatmassager> replaced-url
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612 [05:01:50] <dax> twatmassager: let's not start again, please
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640 [05:26:57] <annadane> err
641 [05:27:17] <annadane> what do you do if you get a reply in the mailing list which shows on lists.debian.org but it's not in your inbox
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643 [05:28:06] <nkuttler> annadane: verify that you're subscribed? wait? check your spamfilter?
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648 [05:30:30] <annadane> nkuttler, you don't need to be subscribed to get a reply, and no it's not in spam
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651 [05:32:33] <annadane> i'd send a dual email to the person who replies and the list itself but that's a no-no
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709 [06:24:56] <v0idpwn> My audio isnt working... I've alsa mixer installed, but I think maybe I've got some missing package.
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711 [06:26:25] <v0idpwn> nvm fixed
712 [06:26:27] <v0idpwn> lmao
713 [06:26:50] <SirLagz> v0idpwn: was it muted? :P
714 [06:27:09] <v0idpwn> Yeah... I totally forgot about it
715 [06:27:12] <SirLagz> heh
716 [06:27:21] <v0idpwn> happens on every install
717 [06:27:23] <v0idpwn> haha
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734 [06:42:37] <codingquark> Hello! I want to run Debian on RPi3. Reading replaced-url
735 [06:43:02] <t5u> codingquark: go light
736 [06:44:40] <codingquark> t5u: raspbian light?
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740 [06:45:55] <t5u> yes it seems to have all the unnecessary soft that you wont need for the pure production server
741 [06:46:16] <t5u> light is more secure
742 [06:47:25] <codingquark> Hmm, okay. I already have that on one SD card. Sticking with it then.
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754 [07:03:44] <pavan> Hello everyone I want to know how to install wifi drivers in debian based distros like kali linux. I tried almost every possible method i know of can anybody help me plss.
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758 [07:05:39] <Sveta> pavan: debian based distros are unsupported here, you need to use their own channels or ##linux instead. (they're non trivial to troubleshoot, debian peeps don't really want to know what changes the derivative distros made)
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830 [07:52:08] <lizzzy> Hello. I get "Name or service not known" when I try to ping ANY *.it domain. My browser shows "replaced-url
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832 [07:52:20] <Heavenly> sysinfo
833 [07:52:24] <Heavenly> Client: HexChat 2.12.4 • OS: Kali "kali-rolling" kali-rolling • CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz (3,30GHz) • Memory: Physical: 3,7 GiB Total (943,8 MiB Free) Swap: 4,5 GiB Total (4,5 GiB Free) • Storage: 22,8 GB / 184,4 GB (161,6 GB Free) • VGA: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Cedar [Radeon HD 5000/6000/7350/8350 Series] @ Intel Corporation 2nd Generation Core Processor Family DRAM Contr
834 [07:52:24] <Heavenly> oller • Uptime: 26m 29s
835 [07:52:54] <annadane> Heavenly, not a kali channel unfortunately
836 [07:52:57] <annadane> !kali
837 [07:52:57] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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856 [08:16:26] * mnuhmnuh wow. blast from the past. is esr still around?
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928 [09:06:46] <glaive> i accidentally deleted an .odt file from my home folder
929 [09:06:52] <glaive> now I open up libreoffice
930 [09:06:58] <glaive> and i click on the document in recents
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932 [09:07:02] <glaive> it says it is not there
933 [09:07:08] <glaive> how can I recover this file?
934 [09:07:14] <glaive> or atleast, since it is a one page file
935 [09:07:27] <glaive> how can I access the image that libreoffice recents uses
936 [09:07:36] <glaive> since if I zoom in a bit i might be able to make out the contents
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952 [09:21:51] <nix64bit> If I delete a file in an encrypted folder and it is visible in the Thunar trash folder, if I unmount the encrypted folder it isnt visible in trash but is recorded as a file, even if I delete the entire trash folder it still thinks it has a deleted file, where does it store this information?
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999 [09:58:43] <throwthecheese> How do I make an ISO with ddrescue?
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1048 [10:44:11] <throwthecheese> Can somebody tell me how to create an ISO image with ddrescue?
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1057 [10:49:26] <babilen> throwthecheese: Are you sure ddrescue can do that? You might want to rescue the data first and then look into replaced-url
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1099 [11:20:51] <wm4> does anyone know how to fix spell checking in kate and git-cola? they stopped working a few years ago or so
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1110 [11:26:32] <z8z> is a jigdo file for XLBD planned to be made? Would be nice to have whole debian repos in 1 single blu ray
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1119 [11:31:48] <cheapie> z8z: AFAIK, no, but you /can/ install debian-cd on your own box and make it yourself. It's a major pain, but I did manage to make it work once.
1120 [11:32:19] <cheapie> IIRC, it was a bit over 50GB for amd64 only, and about 75GB when I made one that was i386+amd64.
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1149 [11:44:50] <z8z> cheapie: Well was hoping for some of the expert in debian team to make it :|
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1154 [11:46:23] <Ormu1> has anyone configured HP Laserjet Pro 400 color M451dn on Debian? I can't find the model anywhere in CUPS configuration list
1155 [11:46:55] <Ormu1> i've configured it on Fedora once and as far as i remember, it was really simple
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1177 [11:53:24] <dixie7z__> I recently did upgrade dist-upgrade and ended up with [FAILED] failed to start Light Display Manager on boot.... there are SOLVED topics on google but all on Arch Linux
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1179 [11:53:52] <dixie7z__> can I just remove lightdm?
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1181 [11:54:02] <dixie7z__> i can do start x at login
1182 [11:54:07] <dixie7z__> startx
1183 [11:54:13] <annadane> dixie7z__, probably
1184 [11:54:35] <annadane> iirc that works but i'm not certain
1185 [11:55:02] <dixie7z__> ok thx
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1277 [12:42:58] <glick> hi
1278 [12:43:17] <glick> hey i just found out that Dia was effectively dead! :(
1279 [12:43:21] <glick> Whyyyy!!!!!!!
1280 [12:43:32] <lizzzy> What is "Dia"?
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1282 [12:43:49] <glick> Diagram editor
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1285 [12:44:02] <glick> was a sweet program to create visio type diagrams
1286 [12:44:05] <lizzzy> Asl the devs.
1287 [12:44:09] <lizzzy> Ask
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1289 [12:44:22] <glick> last release was 2014
1290 [12:44:46] <glick> does anyone know of a good visio type program?
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1302 [12:55:36] <wm4> glick: how did it die?
1303 [12:56:02] <Nawab> ,v libxml
1304 [12:56:04] <judd> No package named 'libxml' was found in amd64.
1305 [12:56:04] <glick> i dont know i see its last been updated in 2014
1306 [12:56:06] <Nawab> ,v libxml2
1307 [12:56:07] <judd> Package: libxml2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy5; wheezy-security: 2.8.0+dfsg1-7+wheezy9; jessie: 2.9.1+dfsg1-5+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.9.1+dfsg1-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 2.9.1+dfsg1-5+deb8u5; stretch: 2.9.4+dfsg1-2.2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.9.4+dfsg1-2.2+deb9u1; buster: 2.9.4+dfsg1-5+b1; sid: 2.9.4+dfsg1-5+b1
1308 [12:56:23] <glick> and forum posts go unanswered
1309 [12:56:36] <Nawab> ,v libpng
1310 [12:56:37] <judd> No package named 'libpng' was found in amd64.
1311 [12:56:56] <Nawab> ,v libvorbis
1312 [12:56:57] <judd> No package named 'libvorbis' was found in amd64.
1313 [12:57:12] <themill> Nawab: please /msg the bot
1314 [12:57:28] <Nawab> ok
1315 [12:57:57] <nix64bit> any thoughts on BinaryField
1316 [12:58:15] <nix64bit> wrong window
1317 [12:58:21] <wm4> glick: did you check the upstream repo?
1318 [12:58:28] <wm4> because debian sometimes forgets to update packages
1319 [12:58:39] <glick> wm4 im lookin at the dia website
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1321 [12:58:40] <Satou> Hey guys, i'm curious if there is any risk of installing a package from backports (network-manager) on stable (8.9)
1322 [12:58:42] <glick> if you could call it that
1323 [12:59:09] <themill> Satou: network-manager is not in backports
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1325 [13:00:00] <Satou> themill, replaced-url
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1328 [13:00:21] <themill> Satou: and?
1329 [13:00:31] <glick> pencil project looks interesting
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1331 [13:00:36] <Satou> I have network manager 0.9, i wanna upgrade it to something more than 1.4
1332 [13:00:40] <glick> and its gpl2 software
1333 [13:00:58] <themill> Satou: then you'd be looking to upgrade from jessie to stretch
1334 [13:01:41] <tsukuyomi> hi, I'm trying to access chatango.com but it won't let me use the chat, it's flashplayer based I think. My flashplayer works fine everywhere. On windows I'm able to access it. What can I do?
1335 [13:02:40] <Satou> themill, Will i loose anything if i upgrade from 8.9 to 9.x ?
1336 [13:02:50] <glick> thats interesting, they say its gpl 2 software but i dont see a link to the source code on their website
1337 [13:02:53] <themill> Satou: you'd read the release notes...
1338 [13:03:36] <Satou> themill, alright, thank you
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1349 [13:11:57] <glick> libre office doesnt have all the awesome templates and stencils dia had
1350 [13:12:04] <glick> libre office draw
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1376 [13:27:47] <introom> I've two eth-s. How to set one as the primary eth ?
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1387 [13:38:49] <qman__> introom: there is no concept of primary or secondary, just interfaces with configurations
1388 [13:40:51] <introom> qman__: I'd like to make one interface being the default route.
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1390 [13:41:29] <qman__> introom: then configure the default route via that interface and not the other one
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1393 [13:41:59] <introom> qman__: ip route commands?
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1395 [13:42:39] <qman__> yes, you also specify it in /etc/network/interfaces
1396 [13:42:54] <qman__> the one you want to use should have a 'gateway' line, and the other one shouldn't
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1402 [13:45:04] <introom> qman__: ip is assigned with dhcp with no known gateway ( a vm in vmware fusion).
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1407 [13:47:27] <qman__> if both interfaces are DHCP, you can set it up like the second answer here: replaced-url
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1420 [13:55:38] <introom> qman__: thanx
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1447 [14:07:03] <efsnable> linux scares me :(
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1474 [14:23:12] <doofy> Hello. I'm having a rather weird problem. After installing debian-9.2.1 and booting into a new system, my keyboard is not working at all, with one exception. I am unable to login or switch between VTs, but could cause a reboot by pressing ctrl-alt-del.
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1483 [14:26:06] <qman__> doofy: AMD system, USB keyboard?
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1490 [14:29:35] <Satou> Hey guys, i've updated 8.9 to 9 and now i cannot boot.. here's a picture about what's happening replaced-url
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1493 [14:32:18] <doofy> qman__: amd system, ps/2 keyboard
1494 [14:32:32] <doofy> qman__: when I attempted to connect a usb keyboard, the result was the same
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1496 [14:32:45] <qman__> doofy: try messing with the IOMMU settings in the BIOS
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1498 [14:33:09] <doofy> qman__: How? Disable? Enable?
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1508 [14:33:54] <qman__> doofy: it's complicated, I usually just toggle things until they work - this thread goes into a lot of detail on the subject replaced-url
1509 [14:34:28] <qman__> basically the IOMMU implementation is a little flawed and not very well-supported
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1511 [14:34:37] <doofy> qman__: That's weird. The keyboard works in netbsd.
1512 [14:34:38] <qman__> so it takes some doing to get it to work right
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1515 [14:36:20] <qman__> yeah, it's a linux-specific problem
1516 [14:36:26] <doofy> ok
1517 [14:36:48] <doofy> now, I'm getting something weird; there's a message about some firmware failing to load, and the boot is stuck
1518 [14:37:13] <doofy> radeon firmware and something for one of the NICs
1519 [14:37:22] <tsukuyomi> xhi, I'm trying to access chatango.com but it won't let me use the chat, it's flashplayer based I think. My flashplayer works fine everywhere. On windows I'm able to access it. What can I do?
1520 [14:37:22] <tsukuyomi> hi*
1521 [14:37:26] <qman__> ah, now that's a debian-specific problem, you probably need the linux-firmware package from non-free
1522 [14:37:29] <efsnable> why cant i login to a debian machine with root ?
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1524 [14:37:40] <efsnable> so that i wouldnt have to sudo alll the time
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1526 [14:38:01] <SirLagz> efsnable: or you could just sudo -i and then you'd have a root shell...but why do you need root all the time?
1527 [14:38:08] <doofy> qman__: ok; but I can't even get to the login prompt at this point
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1529 [14:38:18] <dvs> efsnable, because X won't let you. It's a security risk
1530 [14:38:23] <efsnable> because lets say I want to edit a config file
1531 [14:38:29] <SirLagz> sudoedit <configfile>
1532 [14:38:29] <efsnable> usually it would yield out an error message
1533 [14:38:35] <doofy> qman__: Can't switch VTs, etc. I'm not even getting a login program running, apparently.
1534 [14:38:38] <efsnable> that i have no right to write to whatever
1535 [14:38:42] <qman__> doofy: does the keyboard work in the install media? you could boot live, go into rescure mode, chroot and install packages, etc
1536 [14:38:45] <efsnable> and i like to use KATE as my editor
1537 [14:38:55] <doofy> qman__: keyboard works in the install media
1538 [14:38:56] <Satou> I upgraded my machine to strerch, and now this happnens..replaced-url
1539 [14:38:57] <doofy> ok
1540 [14:39:12] <doofy> qman__: I don't have a live image, only a netinst.
1541 [14:39:19] <Satou> How can i fix this? It:s been a couple of minutes
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1544 [14:39:42] <SirLagz> efsnable: so sudo kate <file> ?
1545 [14:39:56] <efsnable> can i do that ?
1546 [14:40:01] <efsnable> cool thanks
1547 [14:40:03] <SirLagz> efsnable: why wouldn't you be able to?
1548 [14:40:08] <efsnable> i dont know, im a noob..
1549 [14:40:20] <SirLagz> efsnable: righto. Well, first rule of linux, try everything
1550 [14:40:31] <SirLagz> efsnable: do you want to know something? try it!
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1553 [14:42:12] <`levi> hello :)
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1557 [14:44:15] <Satou> Guys, can someone please help me? I've crashed my system while trying to upgrade to strech..
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1560 [14:45:24] <Megaf> Satou, from Wheezy or Jessie?
1561 [14:45:30] <Satou> Jessie
1562 [14:45:37] <Megaf> Define crashed
1563 [14:45:42] <Satou> I took a picture replaced-url
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1566 [14:46:05] <Satou> It says some system failed to start and i dont get prompted to a cli or to login to gnome
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1583 [14:51:31] <Guest78653> anyone having trouble installing debian 9
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1585 [14:51:56] <Guest78653> today it is freezing at "scanning the mirror"
1586 [14:51:59] <Satou> Im having trouble upgrading to debian 9
1587 [14:52:00] <Megaf> Satou, You know if you are using PPAs and third party repos?
1588 [14:52:04] <Guest78653> this worked fine yesterday
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1591 [14:52:29] <Megaf> Guest78653, first fix your nick, mitty is already taken
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1593 [14:52:34] <Megaf> oh, there we go
1594 [14:52:37] <Satou> Ive followed a guide to upgrade, but i dont think so
1595 [14:53:06] <Megaf> Satou, ok, in the start menu, theres the advanced options, called single user or something
1596 [14:53:10] <Megaf> see if that starts
1597 [14:53:13] <Megaf> and come back here
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1599 [14:53:33] <Megaf> Satou, you should get to a point where it asks for root password
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1602 [14:53:57] <Megaf> mitty20, replace the URL for repos in your sources.list with deb.debian.org
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1604 [14:54:29] <Megaf> mitty20, so it will looke like deb replaced-url
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1606 [14:54:38] <Megaf> then try apt update
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1608 [14:54:42] <mitty20> ok, will try that. ftp.uk.debian.org was working fine yesterday for me on another install
1609 [14:55:06] <Megaf> mitty20, and disable any third party repo you might have
1610 [14:55:10] <Megaf> and PPAs
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1612 [14:55:19] <Hagbard23> Hi All, is Xubuntu effectively the same as Ubuntu but just without the eye-candy nonsense?
1613 [14:55:19] <mitty20> this is a fresh install
1614 [14:55:26] <Megaf> don't use PPAs, ever, just don't. Debian is not Ubuntu
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1616 [14:55:33] <Megaf> Hagbard23, wrong channel
1617 [14:55:35] <mitty20> understood
1618 [14:55:43] <Megaf> Hagbard23, try #Ubuntu
1619 [14:55:44] <Hagbard23> Sorry Megaf
1620 [14:56:16] <Satou> Ok Megaf, i booted into single user mode
1621 [14:56:27] <Hagbard23> Hi Megaf, I tried to connect to the #Ubuntu channel but I need to register my Nick via NickServe, I have done this but it doesn't recognise my login, so I have come to the #debian channel.
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1624 [14:56:52] <Satou> It didnt ask for root passwd tho
1625 [14:57:09] <Hagbard23> Satou, you need to type-in sudo apt-get update
1626 [14:57:15] <Satou> It says root@none tho
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1629 [14:57:31] <Hagbard23> Satou: Are you in guest mode?
1630 [14:57:59] <Satou> I dont know, ive edited a grub option in order to get here
1631 [14:58:21] <Hagbard23> What option have you added to your grub configuration?
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1633 [14:58:33] <Satou> I dont think it has an internet conmection, should i plug in with ethernet cable?
1634 [14:58:46] <Satou> Init="/bin/bash"
1635 [14:58:46] <Hagbard23> try "ifconfig"
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1638 [14:59:05] <Hagbard23> Ok, so are you able to connect to the internet?
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1640 [14:59:36] <Megaf> Satou, That's not what I instructed you to do, if you are not willing to help me help you I will not help you.
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1642 [15:00:06] <Satou> Sorry megaf, i am new to linux, how do i properly boot into single user mode
1643 [15:00:10] <Hagbard23> Megaf, that is not particularly helpful, let Satou define the problem
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1645 [15:00:37] <Hagbard23> OK Satou, please can you outline what is it is you're actually trying to do?
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1647 [15:00:54] <mitty20> Megaf, I've just tried selecting deb.debian.org from the mirror list and it is still stuck on "Scanning the mirror" stage of the debian installer. :(
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1649 [15:01:10] <Satou> Hagbard23, i upgraded my jessie to stretch, got this:replaced-url
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1652 [15:01:36] <Megaf> Satou, I don't know if I can be more clear. When you start the computer, you get to a boot menu, theres two options, the default and advanced one. Choose advanced and then the second option,
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1654 [15:01:43] <Hagbard23> OK Megaf, it sounds as if it's hanging because it can't access the internet
1655 [15:01:55] <Hagbard23> What computer are you trying to install on?
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1659 [15:02:10] <Satou> Sorry megaf, it said recovery not single user
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1661 [15:02:24] <Megaf> Hagbard23, what happened is some packages failed to properly install
1662 [15:02:28] <mitty20> this is the stage of install it freeze on: replaced-url
1663 [15:02:32] <Megaf> Satou, so use recovery option, sorry
1664 [15:02:35] <Hagbard23> Yes it sounds as if that is the case
1665 [15:02:42] <mitty20> doesn't seem to matter what mirror I select
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1667 [15:02:46] <Hagbard23> OK
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1669 [15:02:51] <Hagbard23> it points to a network issue
1670 [15:03:14] <Satou> Ok its asking dor root password
1671 [15:03:15] <Megaf> mitty20, that's now how you upgrade
1672 [15:03:19] <Megaf> that's for clean install
1673 [15:03:24] <Satou> Ok, got a shell
1674 [15:03:28] <Megaf> Satou, good :)
1675 [15:03:36] <mitty20> I'm trying to clean install
1676 [15:03:46] <Megaf> Satou, do you have a network cable plugged in?
1677 [15:03:49] <Hagbard23> Satou: Excellent, give yourself a gold start. (*)
1678 [15:03:52] <Hagbard23> *star
1679 [15:03:52] <mitty20> this worked perfectly for me on another machine yesterday
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1681 [15:04:00] <Hagbard23> ping Hagbard23
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1683 [15:04:02] <Satou> No, shall i go grab one?
1684 [15:04:19] <Megaf> mitty20, just wait a little longer maybe
1685 [15:04:20] <Hagbard23> Satou: Please do.
1686 [15:04:26] <Megaf> Satou, if possible
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1688 [15:04:41] <Satou> Ok, i will be back in a second
1689 [15:04:54] <Megaf> Satou, then just run the command dhclient to get internet connection
1690 [15:05:13] <Megaf> Satou, advise when ready for further instructions
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1692 [15:06:06] <Hagbard23> Megaf: He may not necessarily be able to use his wireless, if he is indeed trying to connect to the internet via wireless, does recovery mode enumerate network devices like wlan0?
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1696 [15:07:03] <Megaf> Hagbard23, yep, but it will be quite tricky to get wifi in the recovery
1697 [15:07:15] <Megaf> specially since network-manager is not working
1698 [15:07:32] <Hagbard23> Megaf: So I recommend that he use Ethernet just to fix the packages then he can go back to normal.
1699 [15:07:39] <teraflops> Megaf: recovery = debian iso rescue mode?
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1701 [15:07:52] <Megaf> teraflops, nope
1702 [15:07:54] <teraflops> ah
1703 [15:08:05] <Hagbard23> teraflops: Effectively, yes, however does require mount of drives
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1705 [15:08:07] <Satou> Megaf ok im plugged in
1706 [15:08:08] <Megaf> teraflops, is a grub option, the second option in the list
1707 [15:08:14] <teraflops> so yes or nop :P
1708 [15:08:20] <teraflops> ah true Megaf
1709 [15:08:28] <Megaf> teraflops, tho you can do similar stuff with the rescue mode in the ISO if the system is not booting at all
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1711 [15:08:42] <Hagbard23> I'm not an expert on Debian, I was born in the 90s :-)
1712 [15:08:42] <Megaf> they both have similar function
1713 [15:08:59] <Megaf> Satou, Brilliant
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1715 [15:09:11] <Megaf> Satou, now try apt update
1716 [15:09:19] <Hagbard23> sudo apt update
1717 [15:09:22] <Megaf> Satou, then apt full-upgrade
1718 [15:09:23] <teraflops> yeah I was thinking that the rescue mode on the iso runs the netwoking wizard, before asking for chroot
1719 [15:09:30] <Megaf> Hagbard23, forget sudo, this is not Ubuntu
1720 [15:09:31] <Satou> Did you mean dhclient eth0?
1721 [15:09:38] <Hagbard23> My apologies Megaf
1722 [15:09:46] <Satou> Ok, nvm, interner works
1723 [15:09:52] <Hagbard23> Satou: if you are connecting my ethernet, then use
1724 [15:09:59] <Megaf> Satou, I was clear enough I think.
1725 [15:09:59] <Megaf> <Megaf> Satou, then just run the command dhclient to get internet connection
1726 [15:10:00] <Hagbard23> yes, even.
1727 [15:10:25] <elof> Why don't Debian remove an entire package while I type apt remove, since it prompts I need to apt autoremove it
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1729 [15:10:40] <Megaf> Hagbard23, also, in recovery mode you can only log in as root
1730 [15:10:51] <Megaf> you use sudo when root password is not defined and you are a regular user
1731 [15:11:06] <Megaf> Hagbard23, on Debian, setting root password is the default.
1732 [15:11:46] <Megaf> elof, to remove entire package and deps a hardcore command would be apt remove --purge --auto-remove package*
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1734 [15:12:00] <Megaf> elof, but pay a lot of attention to what is going to be removed
1735 [15:12:20] <teraflops> elof: bad idea imo
1736 [15:12:55] <elof> Megaf: I know purge, but don't get why don't it just get removed when apt remove and apt autoremove or purge at the first?
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1738 [15:13:26] <elof> why don't apt remove=apt-get purge?
1739 [15:13:39] <Megaf> elof, you can combine all that in a single command apt purge --auto-remove package*
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1742 [15:14:06] <Megaf> elof, because apt-get purge = apt purge
1743 [15:14:11] <Megaf> ;)
1744 [15:14:14] <mitty20> Megaf: waiting longer worked, it finally got past the "scanning the mirror" screen, thanks for your help! :)
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1747 [15:14:23] <elof> Megaf: Is it included in Debian refernece?
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1749 [15:14:43] <Sato> Mefaf, full-upgrade says i have unmet dependencies
1750 [15:14:44] <elof> Debian Reference is a huge refernce to finish reding.....
1751 [15:14:52] <Megaf> elof, I don't know how to answer that.
1752 [15:14:57] <Sato> Shall i try using -f ?
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1754 [15:15:05] <Megaf> mitty20, I'm glad it worked :)
1755 [15:15:12] <Megaf> Sato, nope
1756 [15:15:31] <Megaf> Sato, please do a nano /etc/apt/sources.list and take a photo
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1759 [15:15:47] <elof> where is the sudoer's file?
1760 [15:16:02] <SirLagz> elof: /etc/sudoers
1761 [15:16:25] <nkuttler> elof: don't edit it directly, use visudo
1762 [15:17:01] <elof> is it a built-in software?
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1764 [15:17:04] <Sato> replaced-url
1765 [15:17:16] <nkuttler> elof: it comes with sudo, yes, see also man 5 sudoers
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1767 [15:17:50] <Megaf> Sato, Thanks, that looks good, Although I would suggest replace httpredir with deb
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1769 [15:17:56] <elof> nkuttler: No manual entry for sudoer in section 5
1770 [15:18:00] <teraflops> Sato: do you have working internet connection? because you do not need to take a photo of a text file
1771 [15:18:05] <Sato> Ok, im gonna chanfe that
1772 [15:18:09] <jelly-home> elof: sudoers
1773 [15:18:13] <Megaf> Sato, replace, then use ctrl o to save
1774 [15:18:17] <Megaf> ctrl x to exit
1775 [15:18:21] <nkuttler> elof: what?
1776 [15:18:29] <Megaf> Sato, the apt update
1777 [15:18:31] <dvs> Megaf, looks good? There's two versions in there!
1778 [15:18:32] <Sato> I do, but i dont know how to upload that
1779 [15:18:35] <Megaf> Sato, then apt full-upgrade
1780 [15:18:37] <jelly-home> elof: you made a typo there.
1781 [15:18:45] <elof> nkuttler: there is no sudoer manual in my Debian
1782 [15:18:55] <jelly-home> elof: it's not "sudoer", you made a typo there.
1783 [15:18:56] <Megaf> dvs, only stretch is uncommented and active
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1785 [15:19:29] <dvs> ah
1786 [15:19:37] <teraflops> Sato: e.g curl -F c=@/etc/apt/sources.list replaced-url
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1788 [15:19:44] <elof> jelly-home: oh! it shows now
1789 [15:19:49] <Megaf> Sato, sorry, add contrib non-free
1790 [15:19:51] <Megaf> after main
1791 [15:19:52] <Sato> Thank you teraflops
1792 [15:19:59] <Megaf> Sato, ignore teraflops
1793 [15:20:12] <teraflops> Megaf: sorry?
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1795 [15:20:42] <Megaf> Sato, all you need make that look like deb replaced-url
1796 [15:21:12] <teraflops> Megaf: asking users to take photos of text files in their systems with internet connection is too lame
1797 [15:21:13] <Megaf> Sato, so basically the 3 lines at the bottom you add contrib non-free after main
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1799 [15:21:29] <elof> SirLagz: I just found "sudoers.d" under /etc/
1800 [15:21:37] <Sato> Okay
1801 [15:21:38] <Megaf> teraflops, that was part of his flow already.
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1803 [15:21:48] <teraflops> Megaf: bah+
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1805 [15:21:56] <Megaf> teraflops, besides, you didnt explain what the command is for
1806 [15:22:02] <teraflops> bah²
1807 [15:22:24] <Megaf> teraflops, as he said, he is new Linux user, he doesnt know what curl does
1808 [15:22:29] <teraflops> bah³
1809 [15:22:41] <elof> The difference sudo vs type su and tpye root password?
1810 [15:22:46] <Megaf> Btw, I failed to explain nano too
1811 [15:22:57] <Megaf> elof, sudo is lame option of newbies using Ubuntu
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1813 [15:23:18] <Megaf> elof, real people will use su -c command
1814 [15:23:23] <Megaf> or su
1815 [15:23:25] <Megaf> root password
1816 [15:23:27] <Megaf> command
1817 [15:23:28] <Megaf> exit
1818 [15:23:28] *** Megaf was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
1819 [15:23:33] <elof> Megaf: what about su? newbies for debian?
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1821 [15:23:40] <Sato> Okay Megaf, apt update says 404 not found on some dropbox package
1822 [15:23:44] * Megaf shoots debhelper
1823 [15:23:49] <teraflops> sudo is fine Megaf stop talking nonsense
1824 [15:24:03] * Megaf dislikes sudo
1825 [15:24:14] <Megaf> elof, sudo is lame option of newbies using Ubuntu (In my own stupid idea)
1826 [15:24:21] <Megaf> != reality
1827 [15:24:22] <elof> teraflops: so what about the "Debian newbie" to root permission?
1828 [15:24:29] <teraflops> sudo is fine
1829 [15:24:37] <Megaf> Sato, ahah
1830 [15:24:53] <jelly> Sato: you have stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
1831 [15:24:58] <Megaf> Sato, now we are getting somewhere, I told you to not use third party repos, you have something for dropbox
1832 [15:25:06] <elof> teraflops: I used Ubuntu a long time ago, but years later, I prefer Debian.
1833 [15:25:08] <elof> lol
1834 [15:25:15] <Megaf> Sato, that might be braking the system
1835 [15:25:18] <Sato> I see
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1837 [15:25:45] <elof> jelly: it just has a readme file,but unknown extension
1838 [15:25:48] <Sato> I have dropbox, google chrome, mongodb, skype, vivaldi and vscode
1839 [15:25:49] <Megaf> Sato, so, you can use nano to edit the files, and put a # in front of the lines to comment them and disable them.
1840 [15:25:59] <Megaf> oh boy
1841 [15:26:10] <Megaf> no wonder the system is broken
1842 [15:26:17] <Sato> Can i remove the ones i dont care about?
1843 [15:26:29] <Megaf> Are you even using all that?
1844 [15:26:37] <jelly> elof: sorry, I'm not sure what you're talking about
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1846 [15:26:54] <Megaf> Sato, we can remove all these packages, fix the system and reinstall later. If that's ok for you
1847 [15:27:00] <elof> about sudoers file
1848 [15:27:05] <Sato> Chrome, vivaldi and mongo
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1850 [15:27:37] <Megaf> Sato, apt remove --auto-remove google-chrome* skype* mongodb* vivaldi* skype*
1851 [15:27:41] <jelly> Sato: did you read the release notes? One of the steps for a release upgrade is temporarily removing all the third party sources
1852 [15:27:45] <Megaf> Sato, apt remove --auto-remove google-chrome* skype* mongodb* vivaldi* skype* vscode*
1853 [15:27:52] <Megaf> and dropbox...
1854 [15:28:17] <jelly> removing packages might be overkill, but okay
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1856 [15:29:07] <Sato> Okay, actually i commented them for now, should be ok
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1858 [15:29:47] <Sato> What is the next step Megaf?
1859 [15:29:59] <jelly> dpkg, tell Sato about jessie->stretch
1860 [15:30:13] <jelly> Sato: read that carefully.
1861 [15:30:25] <Megaf> Sato, after every change in the sources you do apt update to gt a new version of the available packages
1862 [15:30:39] <Megaf> Sato, then you can try apt full-upgrade again
1863 [15:30:45] <Megaf> Sato, with fingers crossed
1864 [15:31:00] <Megaf> and read what jelly said, later.
1865 [15:31:19] <jelly> no, read it before
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1868 [15:32:06] <Sato> Apt update kinda stops after it says fetched but doesnt prompt me to do another command again
1869 [15:32:18] <jelly> what use is reading the instructions later, after things are broken
1870 [15:32:42] <Megaf> Sato, apt update just updates the list of available packages, nothing else
1871 [15:32:52] <Megaf> Sato, after that you do apt full-upgrade
1872 [15:32:57] <Megaf> Sato, to update your system
1873 [15:33:06] <jelly> Sato: are you in a GUI for that system right now?
1874 [15:33:06] <Sato> Ok i did thar
1875 [15:33:12] <Megaf> Sato, for more information use apt help
1876 [15:33:31] <Megaf> jelly, he is in recovery mode, system stopped booting after a failed upgrade from jessie to stretch
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1878 [15:33:44] <Sato> Still unmet dependencies
1879 [15:34:07] <Megaf> Sato, photo please
1880 [15:34:12] <jelly> Sato, Megaf: did you do "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt -f install" already?
1881 [15:34:30] <Megaf> jelly, will tell that based on the photo he will send now
1882 [15:34:46] <jelly> Megaf: did you tell them to do the above ^^ yet?
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1884 [15:35:03] <elof> I gave up on sudo settings, as I can use root with su
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1887 [15:38:21] <Sato> replaced-url
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1889 [15:38:42] <Sato> Also, i only have about 3.4 gb left on my root partition, i hope that's ok
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1896 [15:44:02] <Sato> Megaf, what do you think? replaced-url
1897 [15:44:31] <Megaf> Sato, ok, I have bad news and good news for you
1898 [15:44:43] <Sato> Well
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1902 [15:45:09] <Megaf> jelly, you think a apt-get -f install will fix that?
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1904 [15:45:41] <Megaf> Sato, I have a way to fix that I know it will work, I had to fix 3 servers with the same problem in the past 2 weeks
1905 [15:45:49] <Megaf> but I'm curious to see what jelly has to say
1906 [15:45:57] <Sato> Ok, i see
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1909 [15:46:44] <Sato> I'm just a newbie, did i create a frankendebian with those third party repos?
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1912 [15:48:12] <Sato> Megaf, also, is there a way i can increase my root partition's size, it's at 30gb right now, and it only has like 4 gb left
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1916 [15:50:12] <Megaf> Sato, we take care of the size later
1917 [15:50:30] <Sato> Ok, sorry for asking so many questions
1918 [15:50:40] <Megaf> Sato, first lets try what jelly said before, run dpkg --configure -a
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1920 [15:50:53] <Megaf> that will try to fix all these broken packages
1921 [15:51:10] <Megaf> after the command finishes and/or fails, try apt -f install
1922 [15:51:21] <Sato> Pretty much failed
1923 [15:51:59] <Megaf> Sato, ok, you see at the very bottom, it complained about two packages
1924 [15:52:28] <Megaf> Sato, xorg-video-abi and xserver-xorg-core
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1926 [15:52:34] <Sato> I think there were more, but im running apt -f install
1927 [15:52:49] <Megaf> Sato, is apt -f install working then?
1928 [15:52:49] <jelly> Sato: read CAREFULLY what apt -f install wants to do.
1929 [15:53:08] <jelly> it can ask you to remove lots of packages
1930 [15:53:14] <Sato> It did
1931 [15:53:23] <jelly> did you log the output?
1932 [15:53:28] <Sato> About 1.8 MB of packages
1933 [15:53:33] <Sato> No, i ran the command
1934 [15:53:42] <jelly> are you running this inside script ?
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1936 [15:53:55] <Sato> Im running this in a cli in recovery mode
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1938 [15:53:59] <Megaf> jelly, basically apt is trying to install wrong package versions. apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-23/stretch will fix that
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1941 [15:54:21] <Sato> Should i run that instead megaf?
1942 [15:54:27] <taylan> hey peeps, why would "aptitude search '!~i ~pstandard'" show packages that aren't available for installation? this is after upgrading from 8 to 9
1943 [15:54:35] <jelly> Sato: you really should log all the output, so you can see if anything you use got removed, and can look at issues
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1946 [15:54:55] <jelly> Sato: release notes suggest running everything under "script"
1947 [15:55:10] <Megaf> jelly, that is not user friendly at all
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1949 [15:55:22] <Megaf> Sato, ok, lets fix your system, shall we?
1950 [15:55:34] <Sato> Megaf, so apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-23/stretch
1951 [15:55:40] <jelly> Megaf: it's very friendly if they want to be able to look at, and show the output
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1956 [15:56:38] <Megaf> Sato, run apt full-upgrade one more time, check the packages it complains about. Install them with apt install -t stretch packagename/stretch and after that try apt full-upgrade again. Repeat for every package it complains at the bottom.
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1958 [15:57:00] <jelly> taylan: probably because there were some packages with Priority: standard installed during jessie (debian 8) or earlier that do not exist in stretch (debian 9), but are still installed
1959 [15:57:21] <taylan> jelly: but I specisy !~i
1960 [15:57:24] <taylan> specify*
1961 [15:57:37] <jelly> oh, I did not notice that !
1962 [15:57:41] <taylan> :)
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1964 [15:57:51] <Megaf> Sato, you can install more than one package at the time, of course, for example. apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-23/stretch xserver-xorg-xore/stretch
1965 [15:57:57] <Megaf> stretch*
1966 [15:58:49] <Megaf> Sato, basically what we are doing is telling and forcing apt to install things from and to Debian Stretch
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1969 [15:59:13] <taylan> there are such packages for ~pstandard and ~pimportant, though none for ~E or ~prequired. maybe it's unimportant but it bothers me because I like to keep strict control over how much my installed packages deviate from "core" Debian
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1971 [15:59:37] <jelly> taylan: which debian release is this?
1972 [15:59:50] <taylan> I upgraded from 8.9 to 9.2
1973 [15:59:54] <Sato> Well unable to lock the administration directory...
1974 [16:00:21] <taylan> and when I first installed it, I think it was more like 8.0 or maybe even older
1975 [16:00:27] <Megaf> Sato, to see available space do df -h
1976 [16:00:31] <Sato> I understand what you are saying, there are a ton of packages
1977 [16:00:35] <Megaf> is any of your partitions full?
1978 [16:00:45] <jelly> taylan: do you have any sources other than standard stretch sources in place? aptitude is probably finding package _versions_ that you do not have installed, but have some other version of same package installed
1979 [16:00:48] <Sato> 3.8gb left in root
1980 [16:00:54] <Sato> None full
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1982 [16:01:01] <taylan> hmm
1983 [16:01:06] <Megaf> Sato, also, you can do apt-get clean to clean the cache of downloaded packages
1984 [16:01:15] <Megaf> Sato, and try again
1985 [16:01:16] <jelly> taylan: adding version to aptitude output format might provide a clue
1986 [16:01:23] <fearnothing> hi folks
1987 [16:01:28] <fearnothing> I need help fixing an issue with fonts
1988 [16:01:44] <fearnothing> I'm running headless debian with libvirt and virt-manager
1989 [16:01:45] <Sato> Could not get lock on /var/cache/apt/archives/lock
1990 [16:01:53] <fearnothing> when I run virt-manager, it no longer renders characters
1991 [16:02:16] <fearnothing> I have no idea how to troubleshoot a fonts issue, can anyone help please?
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1997 [16:02:31] <Megaf> Sato, does the command ps aux | grep apt and ps aux | grep dpkg return anything?
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1999 [16:02:54] <Sato> Yes, shall i pkill themm
2000 [16:02:55] <Sato> ?
2001 [16:03:01] <Megaf> ps aux shows the list of active processes and grep will filter
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2005 [16:03:18] <WillTheWise> is it acceptable to run your own open socks or http proxy on a vps or your home server, or is that sort of thing frowned upon?
2006 [16:03:19] <Megaf> Sato, I don't get how you have stuff working in single user mode
2007 [16:03:25] <Megaf> jelly, ^
2008 [16:03:40] <Megaf> can we kill apt?
2009 [16:03:54] <Megaf> somehow it went to the background
2010 [16:04:13] <Sato> Apt install -f to be specific
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2012 [16:04:20] <jelly> Megaf: I'd look at the process tree and figure out what the leaf process running was, and kill that one
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2014 [16:05:18] <jelly> WillTheWise: your ISP may or may not mind. Your IP may end up on various blacklists.
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2016 [16:06:02] <Sato> Megaf, should i kill that and continue with apt install -t stretch package/stretch?
2017 [16:06:26] <jelly> -f isn't used with a package name.
2018 [16:06:28] <Megaf> Sato, so, you get a number in the first or second collumn, thats the PID, Process ID. kill it with kill -TERM PID, replaced PID with the ID
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2020 [16:06:46] <Sato> Got ir
2021 [16:06:46] <jelly> Sato: you either "apt -f install" or "apt install something", but not "apt -f install something"
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2028 [16:09:30] <Sato> Wont kill the process...
2029 [16:10:05] <fearnothing> this is what my issue looks like:
2030 [16:10:05] <fearnothing> replaced-url
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2032 [16:10:42] <Megaf> Sato, try -KILL instead TERM
2033 [16:10:45] <taylan> jelly: figured it out: it was showing me packages that were removed but not purged
2034 [16:10:57] <Megaf> TERM = ask nicely for the process to stop
2035 [16:10:58] <taylan> !~i didn't exclude them
2036 [16:11:07] <Megaf> KILL or -9 = actually kill
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2038 [16:11:38] <jelly> taylan: that sounds like a bug
2039 [16:11:43] <Sato> Megaf, it still says could not get lock on ..
2040 [16:11:54] <Sato> And unable to lock the dowwnload firectory
2041 [16:12:01] <taylan> jelly: I dunno, they weren't installed after all, only their config files :P
2042 [16:12:02] <Sato> When i try to apt-clean
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2044 [16:12:10] <taylan> it sorta kinda makes sense to me
2045 [16:12:24] <jelly> oh, I forgot about ! again
2046 [16:12:28] <taylan> :D
2047 [16:12:45] <Megaf> Sato, is the process still running?
2048 [16:12:50] <Sato> Yes
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2050 [16:13:22] <Megaf> Sato, ok, just reboot then and try dhclient again to get internet
2051 [16:13:33] <Megaf> reboot is the actual command to reboot
2052 [16:13:41] <Megaf> reboot into recovery again
2053 [16:13:49] <Sato> Doing that now
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2056 [16:15:13] <Sato> Ok back, with internet
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2058 [16:15:28] <Sato> So, i was to do an apt full-upgrade
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2060 [16:15:50] <Sato> And then install each package with apt install -t stretch package/stretch
2061 [16:15:59] <Sato> Right Mega
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2065 [16:17:18] <fearnothing> anyone feel like having a punt at this fonts issue?
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2068 [16:17:38] <Megaf> Sato, right
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2071 [16:19:34] <teraflops> fearnothing: what issue? I've just joined and I'm missing backlog
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2076 [16:20:37] <Sato> Megaf, it says that has ummet dependencies too
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2079 [16:21:03] <Vall> How can I find which repo an installed package came from?
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2081 [16:21:39] <Megaf> Sato, yep, at the bottom you will see the package is complaining about
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2083 [16:21:45] <Megaf> so add those to the list
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2085 [16:21:57] <Sato> Manaually?
2086 [16:22:12] <fearnothing> teraflops: fonts don't render in an X11 window via a putty session
2087 [16:22:24] <fearnothing> I'm trying to run virt-manager, it has worked in the past
2088 [16:22:28] <Megaf> Sato, so just keep trying and adding the packages at the bottom, manually yes. apt install -t stretch package1/stretch package2/stretch package3/stretch
2089 [16:22:28] <elof> Does Debian have clothe or something to buy
2090 [16:22:31] <fearnothing> but is no longer rendering characters correctly
2091 [16:22:44] <Megaf> Sato, but only the ones at the bottom
2092 [16:23:00] <Megaf> Sato, the ones after Depends:
2093 [16:23:02] <jelly> fearnothing: this is likely an issue with your X server really, what are you using, xming?
2094 [16:23:11] <fearnothing> yes
2095 [16:23:28] <Megaf> Sato, thata is the last 2 or so
2096 [16:23:30] <teraflops> fearnothing: by not render you meant you see blank squares, or you see diamond like glyph?
2097 [16:23:31] <Megaf> that is*
2098 [16:23:44] <Megaf> eventually things will sort themselves out
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2101 [16:24:53] <fearnothing> the former
2102 [16:26:52] <Sato> Megaf so, when i run apt install -f stretch xserver-xorg-core/stretch it says it depends on a list. And there's like xorg-video-abi-18
2103 [16:27:13] <teraflops> fearnothing: the former might be because youre missing glyphs
2104 [16:27:29] <Sato> And it says release stretch of xorg-video-abi-qi was not found
2105 [16:27:30] <teraflops> installing more fonts fixes it
2106 [16:28:15] <Sato> I mean when i try to install that one says xorg-video-abi-18 was not found
2107 [16:28:25] <Megaf> Sato, apt install -t stretch
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2109 [16:28:46] <Megaf> Sato, -t tells the Debian version you are working with, -f will force and break things
2110 [16:28:57] <Megaf> ;)
2111 [16:29:25] <babilen> -f actually fixes things
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2114 [16:29:59] <Megaf> babilen, not in this case :)
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2117 [16:30:53] <Sato> apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-18 has no installatiom candidate
2118 [16:31:01] <babilen> That might be the case (much like a purge doesn't install a package), but -f still tries to sort out broken dependencies
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2120 [16:31:44] <Megaf> Sato, is that the package you get in apt full-upgrade?
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2122 [16:31:54] <Megaf> wastn it xorg-video-abi-23?
2123 [16:32:36] <Megaf> Sato, and one more time. apt install -t stretch packagename/stretch so apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-23/stretch
2124 [16:33:05] <Sato> So, apt full-upgrade gives me a list of packages, you told me to focus on the bottom two
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2126 [16:33:28] <jelly> Megaf: this is silly. Instead of blindly trying out things, ask Sato for whole output of said "apt -f install" or whatever apt command.
2127 [16:33:47] <Megaf> Sato, yep
2128 [16:33:59] <Sato> When i run apt install -t stretch xserver-xorg-core
2129 [16:34:15] <Sato> It says that that package depends on other packages
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2131 [16:34:33] <jelly> Sato: run "script apt.log". It will open a new shell. Then run your command in it. When it fails, exit that shell and upload apt.log to a pastebin
2132 [16:34:53] <jelly> Sato: do you have networking working at the moment?
2133 [16:34:54] <Megaf> Sato, so add these other packages to the list, apt install -t stretch xorg-video-abi-23/stretch xserver-xorg-core/stretch
2134 [16:35:01] <Megaf> and keep going
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2136 [16:35:20] <Megaf> and some point everything will sort itself
2137 [16:35:26] <Megaf> at some point*
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2139 [16:35:43] <Sato> Release stretch for xorg-video-abi-we was not found
2140 [16:36:01] <tw> !apt
2141 [16:36:01] <dpkg> Advanced Packaging Tool (APT) is a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude and, from Debian 8 "Jessie" onwards, apt. See also <aptitude> <apt-get>, <apt-cache>, <apt myths>.
2142 [16:36:02] <Megaf> Sato, can you just do a clean Debian install?
2143 [16:36:11] <tw> What's the apt debugging paste thing?
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2145 [16:36:15] <Sato> No, i have a lot of things on this one :(
2146 [16:36:26] <jelly> tw: "bat" or "basic apt troubleshooting"
2147 [16:36:34] <Megaf> if it's important you must have it backed up
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2150 [16:36:44] <Megaf> if not backuped it's not important
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2152 [16:36:48] <Sato> I dont have everything backed up...
2153 [16:36:51] <Megaf> and you said it was new
2154 [16:36:56] <jelly> tw: msg the bot if you're asking for yourself
2155 [16:37:00] <Sato> No, it was not new
2156 [16:37:13] <Sato> What should i do guys?
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2159 [16:37:24] <Megaf> jelly, Ok, I will leave Sato to you
2160 [16:37:26] <tw> thanks.
2161 [16:37:38] <Sato> Huh...thank you Megaf
2162 [16:37:39] <Megaf> I'm very tired (not because Sato)
2163 [16:37:52] <jelly> Megaf: next time, ask the user to log everything _first_
2164 [16:37:54] <Megaf> Been coding this script for the last 3 hours, I need a break
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2166 [16:38:04] <teraflops> Sato: backups, also do not blindly trust/run whatever random guy is saying to you on the intertubes
2167 [16:38:37] <Sato> Jelly, what should i do?
2168 [16:38:54] <fearnothing> teraflops: here's a picture
2169 [16:38:55] <fearnothing> replaced-url
2170 [16:38:55] <jelly> Sato: do you have networking working at the moment?
2171 [16:38:59] <Sato> Yws
2172 [16:39:01] <Sato> Yes
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2174 [16:39:26] <jelly> Sato: run "script apt.log". It will open a new shell. Then run your command in it, eg. "apt -f install" or whatever. When it fails, exit that shell and upload apt.log to a pastebin
2175 [16:39:42] <jelly> Sato: do you have curl command available?
2176 [16:39:54] <Sato> I think so Jelly
2177 [16:40:56] <Sato> But i dont know what should i do now...
2178 [16:41:04] <Sato> What command shall i run
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2180 [16:41:38] <jelly> Sato: start with "dpkg --configure -a" and "apt-get -f install"
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2182 [16:41:56] <jelly> let's see how far that gets you
2183 [16:42:12] <Sato> Should i say yes to the -f install promptm
2184 [16:42:26] <Sato> It asks me to remove 1.5 mb
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2188 [16:42:43] <jelly> Sato: say n, then exit and upload the file so we can look at the output
2189 [16:42:50] <teraflops> fearnothing: it looks like either youre specifying a non existent font or youre missing glyphs (which are provided by installing more fonts). does this xming thingy have a fonts/additional fonts package?
2190 [16:43:02] <Sato> Ok, how should i upload apt.logm
2191 [16:43:07] <jelly> Sato: curl -F c=@apt.log replaced-url
2192 [16:43:13] <tw> This feels like a bug to me: replaced-url
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2197 [16:43:37] <tw> aptitude is smarter about it and at least tells me what's going on.
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2199 [16:44:10] <teraflops> I'm not big fan of aptitude but I agree with tw on this one
2200 [16:44:14] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
2201 [16:44:16] <fearnothing> teraflops: don't think so, and if that's the case, why would it have stopped working between a few weeks ago and now?
2202 [16:44:50] <teraflops> did you upgrade/remove anything related?
2203 [16:45:35] <jelly> Sato: yeah, that's a mess
2204 [16:45:40] <teraflops> heh
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2213 [16:47:10] <fearnothing> teraflops: not as far as I Know
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2216 [16:47:52] <jelly> Sato: pastebin the output of dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt libapt\* python\*apt
2217 [16:48:08] <fearnothing> in my xming log files there are some errors such as "Could not init font path element C:\Program Files\Xming\fonts\dejavu, removing from list!"
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2219 [16:48:26] <fearnothing> but I certainly haven't changed anything about my xming install
2220 [16:48:46] <jelly> Sato: you might use shorthand: dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt libapt\* python\*apt | curl -F c=@- replaced-url
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2224 [16:49:59] <jelly> (and I fear it's a mess caused more by instructions telling to just do a full-upgrade, instead of upgrading dpkg, apt and dependencies first, then a safe-upgrade)
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2227 [16:50:29] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
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2232 [16:51:40] <jelly> Sato: just for fun, what would "apt install apt" do?
2233 [16:52:11] <Sato> Gave me a list of unmet dependenciea
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2235 [16:52:47] <jelly> Sato: pastebin the output. Does it want to remove anything?
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2239 [16:56:02] <teraflops> Sato: apt install apt |& curl -F c=@- replaced-url
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2242 [16:56:17] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
2243 [16:56:23] <Sato> Soeey it was slow
2244 [16:56:42] <Vall> How can I find which repo an installed package came from? Already looked through "man dpkg" and "apt-cache show" to no avail
2245 [16:56:51] <Sato> replaced-url
2246 [16:57:38] <nkuttler> Vall: apt-cache policy pkg
2247 [16:57:43] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
2248 [16:57:49] <Sato> Sorry, im writing on my phone
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2250 [16:57:56] <nkuttler> Vall: or dpkg -l pkg
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2254 [16:59:01] <Vall> nkuttler: thanks! ;-)
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2256 [17:00:00] <Vall> apt-cache policy did it
2257 [17:00:08] <Vall> (dpkg -l doesn't)
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2261 [17:01:15] <jelly> Sato: right. Do you have a /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_6.3.0-18*deb ?
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2263 [17:01:38] <fearnothing> even reinstalling xming has made no difference
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2265 [17:02:14] <Sato> No
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2267 [17:03:10] <jelly> Sato: do you have anything starting with libstdc++6 in /var/cache/apt/archives/ directory?
2268 [17:03:29] <Sato> No
2269 [17:03:47] <jelly> wut
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2271 [17:04:03] <Sato> I dont
2272 [17:04:08] <jelly> yeah, got that
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2274 [17:04:36] <Sato> replaced-url
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2277 [17:05:06] <Sato> I mean replaced-url
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2283 [17:05:52] <Sato> Well that's dumb, pastebinned the result of a command that doesnt output anything
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2285 [17:06:08] <Sato> I ran locate libsdc++6
2286 [17:06:41] <jelly> Sato: locate will not find files apt recently downloaded, its database only updates once a day
2287 [17:06:49] <Sato> Ok
2288 [17:06:55] <Sato> What shall i do now?
2289 [17:07:13] <jelly> Sato: let's see "ls -la /var/cache/apt/archives/ " then
2290 [17:08:09] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
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2292 [17:09:31] <jelly> oh, you do have -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 395912 May 17 03:27 libstdc++6_6.3.0-18_amd64.deb
2293 [17:09:42] <Sato> That's weird
2294 [17:09:59] <Sato> Shall i install that?
2295 [17:11:15] <jelly> Sato: let's clean up the most broken dependencies by hand a bit, then. run "script apt2.log", and keep it running, do everything inside that shell from now on. Then install it with dpkg: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++6_6.3.0-18_amd64.deb
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2297 [17:12:50] <Sato> Jelly, replaced-url
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2299 [17:13:47] <jelly> Sato: do what it says, add --auto-deconfigure before install.
2300 [17:13:55] <jelly> er, before -i
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2304 [17:14:47] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
2305 [17:15:08] <jelly> xOSA not found, typo?
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2308 [17:15:23] <Sato> replaced-url
2309 [17:15:36] <Sato> Yes, i am terribly sorry, im typing with my phone
2310 [17:15:43] <jelly> replaced-url
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2312 [17:15:59] <Sato> replaced-url
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2314 [17:17:01] <jelly> nice, so it installed
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2316 [17:17:39] <jelly> Sato: now run "dpkg --configure -a", it ought to finish installation of a number of packages
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2325 [17:18:34] <Sato> Jelly replaced-url
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2328 [17:20:55] <jelly> Sato: some, but not a lot. Now dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libdbus-1-3_1.10.22*deb
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2332 [17:22:07] <Sato> Ok it did
2333 [17:22:32] <jelly> Sato: and run "dpkg --configure -a" again after each successful manually installed dependency like that
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2336 [17:23:29] <Sato> Ok i will give you the output in a second
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2338 [17:23:58] <jelly> after a couple most common deps, we can try to "apt -f install" again and see if it suggests something less crazy than removing 1.5GB of stuff
2339 [17:24:18] <Sato> I think i might have removed something
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2341 [17:24:31] <Sato> Because it was 1.8 before and i did prompt it ro yes for a bit
2342 [17:24:45] <Sato> This is extremely frustrating...
2343 [17:25:15] <Sato> Dpkg --configure -a is not done yet
2344 [17:25:15] <dpkg> I think you lost me on that one, Sato
2345 [17:25:19] <jelly> it's the worst release upgrade since lenny->squeeze, when it breaks it's horrible to fix things
2346 [17:25:43] <Sato> Jelly, thank you for helping...i cannot loose my configs
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2348 [17:26:18] <Sato> Should i stop dpkg? It is stuck on some missing lsb tags for insserv
2349 [17:26:22] <jelly> "apt -f install" seems to get really confused after half the packages are deconfigured and doesn't even consider them for upgrade
2350 [17:26:39] <Sato> Nevermind
2351 [17:26:43] <jelly> Sato: let it run. That part can be really slow (a couple minutes)
2352 [17:26:49] <Sato> Ok
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2355 [17:27:49] <Sato> If everything else fails, would it be ok if i gave you ssh access on my machine for you to look about what's wrong ?
2356 [17:28:26] <jelly> I'd have to charge you for that, don't do remote fixing for free
2357 [17:28:35] <Sato> Oh okay
2358 [17:29:36] <jelly> more precisely: don't do fixes in private for free. Obviously you're getting some help for free right now...
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2360 [17:30:01] <Sato> Sorry, im just so frustrated i broke everything...
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2362 [17:31:16] <jelly> eh, if you actually read and followed release notes to the letter, things might have still broken halfway
2363 [17:31:32] <Sato> I did not think it could break this bad
2364 [17:31:48] <Sato> I have followed some instructions from a website which was user-friendly
2365 [17:32:08] <mirak> hi
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2368 [17:32:27] <jelly> Sato: hiding complexity is only user friendly if things 100% work 100% of the time
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2372 [17:33:00] <Sato> If i do a new install
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2375 [17:33:09] <Sato> Could i still keep my other partition?
2376 [17:33:16] <jelly> sure
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2378 [17:33:32] <Sato> I just dont really want to install and reconfigure evwrything
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2380 [17:33:52] <Sato> I use my machine for web development, and have set a lot of things up
2381 [17:34:42] <Sato> I should not waste any more of your time jelly...
2382 [17:34:49] <mirak> Is there a way to make a kind of writable snapshot device on a real /dev/sd* device ?
2383 [17:34:52] <Sato> Thank you for your help
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2387 [17:38:25] <jelly> Sato: oh, you've chosen to do a fresh install and migrate the data to the fresh one? Good luck
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2390 [17:40:06] <teraflops> mirak: you can take btrfs snapshots
2391 [17:40:49] <jelly> Sato: at this point you might be able to "apt -f install", let it remove lots of software, but you can install it back later after the upgrade is done
2392 [17:41:10] <Sato> Yes, thank you, i might ask you some things later, if you do not mind
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2394 [17:41:20] <Sato> Really sorry ive wasted your time
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2397 [17:42:24] <jelly> Sato: don't worry, you didn't waste any that wasn't freely offered
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2401 [17:43:13] <jelly> Sato: here's a subset of maybe-useful packages that apt wanted to remove; I deleted obvious libraries and deps replaced-url
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2408 [17:45:05] <jelly> mysql 5.5 is replaced by mariadb so those are not a problem either, but if you have custom perl scripts in place you'll want to perl -c ... them and install back missing modules
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2420 [17:48:37] <jelly> Sato: I've taken that output of "apt -f install" after "The following packages will be REMOVED:" from replaced-url
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2441 [18:00:29] <no_gravity> Hello! How do I install Chrome on Debian? I tried downloading it and then "dpkg -i google-chrome-stable".
2442 [18:00:33] <no_gravity> But now google-chrome-stable gives me "error while loadin shared libraries"-
2443 [18:00:35] <no_gravity> Any ideas?
2444 [18:00:39] <fearnothing> still can't get this god damn xming working
2445 [18:00:44] <fearnothing> the fonts are ALL THERE
2446 [18:00:49] <fearnothing> and yet it can't render them
2447 [18:00:51] <fearnothing> wtf
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2449 [18:03:29] <no_gravity> Well, I now manually installed the libraries and now it works.
2450 [18:03:48] <babilen> "apt-get -f install"
2451 [18:04:45] <no_gravity> babilen: That installs all missing dependencies?
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2455 [18:06:21] <jelly> no_gravity: yes, if it can
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2465 [18:08:57] <no_gravity> Nice. Thanks.
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2506 [18:38:21] <rawruw> PAM requires a service field. What determines a service name? Its binary file name? Systemd uses unit files or something to name them. sysvinit has its own quirks. What determines the service names?
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2511 [18:43:14] <tw> rawruw: whatever the service wants. Whatever it passes to pam_start(const char * servicename, ...)
2512 [18:44:03] <rawruw> oooooooooooooh, ok tw. thanks.
2513 [18:44:08] <tw> Often, it is the name of the binary, but it can be completely different.
2514 [18:44:49] <rawruw> not so much "you can call me whatever you want, baby" then.
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2517 [18:45:33] <tw> Some services provide configuration options where you can change the pam service it attaches to.
2518 [18:46:02] <tw> But it's determined by the binary and not init.
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2552 [18:57:57] <rawruw> thanks mate
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2559 [19:02:34] <fearnothing> ffs xming is shit
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2582 [19:16:02] <rawruw> fearnothing: isn't that a windows thing?
2583 [19:17:27] <rawruw> has worked for me when I've needed to ssh from windows. But you have to make sure X-forwarding is enabled.
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2590 [19:20:25] <fearnothing> yeah but I'm trying to use it with ssh to debian, and you tell me where there's gonna be anyone who has a clue how to fix this pile of bolts
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2592 [19:20:41] <fearnothing> it worked 3 weeks ago
2593 [19:20:44] <fearnothing> now it's broke
2594 [19:20:50] <fearnothing> I sure as hell haven't changed anything in xming
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2599 [19:23:06] <n4dir> if you ssh from debian, then the usual approach is to add -v or even higher verbositiy leven, and look at the logs
2600 [19:23:48] <n4dir> and, of course, paste the command you used and the messages you got
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2617 [19:30:50] <fearnothing> no, I ssh TO debian
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2621 [19:33:09] <n4dir> Yes.
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2623 [19:33:25] <n4dir> So, if using xming you can't do ssh -v ?
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2650 [19:43:30] <jhutchins> fearnothing: What locale is the debian system running?
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2652 [19:44:39] <jhutchins> fearnothing: You can run putty from the command line with -vvv or you can connect directly with xming the same way.
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2655 [19:45:55] <fearnothing> en-gb
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2657 [19:46:23] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Anything special about the remote graphics/fonts?
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2661 [19:47:02] <fearnothing> not that i know of
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2663 [19:47:06] <fearnothing> like I said, they worked a month ago
2664 [19:47:08] <jhutchins> I have to say I don't have any experience fixing font rendering because it's always just worked for me.
2665 [19:47:29] <jhutchins> fearnothing: It's entirely possible that it's on the Windows end.
2666 [19:48:04] <jhutchins> I've successfully forwarded single applications to xming, a commercial xserver, and to cygwin (as well as a VBox Linux instance).
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2668 [19:48:11] <n4dir> testing if it works from a linux box won't hurt.
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2670 [19:48:28] <jhutchins> fearnothing: You're only forwarding one application, not an entire desktop, right?
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2672 [19:48:35] <fearnothing> yep, just virt-manager
2673 [19:48:44] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Try xclock.
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2676 [19:49:09] <fearnothing> oh virt-manager launches, as does xclock
2677 [19:49:17] <fearnothing> just I get a bunch of rectangles instead of letters
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2682 [19:51:20] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Yeah, saw that, and you're right it's font rendering. Windows uses a different font language than Linux, they're close enough to cause problems. utf-8 vs utf-16 iirc,
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2685 [19:51:59] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Depends on what you want to do, fix xming or just get it working.
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2688 [19:52:16] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Which Windows?
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2694 [19:55:15] <fearnothing> 10
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2696 [19:55:38] <fearnothing> so, why would it have been working fine before?
2697 [19:55:54] <fearnothing> I don't care about 'fixed'
2698 [19:55:59] <fearnothing> working is important
2699 [19:56:07] <fearnothing> or rather
2700 [19:56:12] <fearnothing> I'll take fixed if it's available
2701 [19:56:16] <fearnothing> working if not :P
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2706 [19:57:08] <jhutchins> Could be a windows update, VERY unlikely it's a Debian update. Stretch?
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2709 [19:57:37] <jhutchins> fearnothing: are there any other text rendering applications you've tried?
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2713 [19:59:44] <fearnothing> no I haven't tried anything else
2714 [19:59:54] <fearnothing> mostly it's just command line stuff
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2716 [20:00:17] <fearnothing> this is the only graphical thing I do on linux basically
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2721 [20:03:56] <jhutchins> fearnothing: Which Debian?
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2724 [20:05:10] <fearnothing> jessie
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2731 [20:06:36] <fearnothing> I have to go make food
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2745 [20:09:34] <Soni> does debian have package mirrors?
2746 [20:10:25] <Sveta> Soni: yes, always? thats what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list
2747 [20:10:48] <Soni> ok
2748 [20:10:53] <Soni> how do I set up my own?
2749 [20:11:14] <Sveta> Soni: see replaced-url
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2752 [20:11:43] <n4dir> bit of more info here
2753 [20:11:44] <Soni> uh wait
2754 [20:11:45] <n4dir> !mirror
2755 [20:11:45] <dpkg> The best mirror for most users is <deb.debian.org>; other mirrors are listed at replaced-url
2756 [20:11:47] <Soni> how does it do mirroring?
2757 [20:12:09] <Soni> it doesn't use rsync?
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2760 [20:14:48] <jhutchins> Soni: More than one way.
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2764 [20:16:04] <Soni> does it support dat? replaced-url
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2769 [20:16:22] <Sveta> Soni: it uses ftpsync for mirroring
2770 [20:16:42] <Sveta> Soni: although ftp was disabled recently, and i'm not sure what the script does by now really
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2825 [20:40:02] <throwthecheese> How do I open an IMG file?
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2828 [20:40:57] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: gimp?
2829 [20:41:28] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: Imagemagick?
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2834 [20:41:53] <throwthecheese> I made an IMG file with ddrescue from a malfunctioning hard drive but I can't seem to open it
2835 [20:41:56] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: What does file <filename> say? *nix doesn't care about the name extension.
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2837 [20:42:22] <throwthecheese> 0.img
2838 [20:42:24] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: Not familiar with ddrescue, but if it's a disk image you mount it via loopback.
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2842 [20:42:42] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: Filenames tell you nothing.
2843 [20:42:48] <jhutchins> !loopback
2844 [20:42:49] <dpkg> well, loopback is how you talk to yourself. "iface lo inet loopback" and "auto lo" in /etc/network/interfaces, or "ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1 netmask 255.0.0.0" from the shell. A misconfigured loopback could cause "neighbour table overflow" messages.
2845 [20:43:15] <jhutchins> Hmn, we've got a factoid that says the loopback mount syntax.
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2847 [20:43:43] <throwthecheese> I tried to make a loop device from it using losetup, but I couldn't mount the resulting device
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2850 [20:43:57] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: mount -o loop 0.img /mnt/dir
2851 [20:43:58] <rakor> Is there an easy way in Evolution so set multiple identities for one IMAP-Account? I don't want to set for every alias the same smtp-settings... I'll have dead fingers until I'm finished.
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2854 [20:44:15] <annadane> actually i'll take this time to ask a related question, how do you open an iso file where file gives "UDF filesystem data"
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2857 [20:44:55] <annadane> i guess that's probably a question i can easily find the answer to on google
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2861 [20:45:29] <jhutchins> annadane: Got udftools?
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2866 [20:45:41] <annadane> i don't. i guess that qualifies as an answer
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2868 [20:46:18] <t0no6a> try this replaced-url
2869 [20:46:31] <annadane> cool, thanks
2870 [20:46:43] <jhutchins> t0no6a: mount -o loop 0.img /mnt/dir
2871 [20:47:10] <annadane> oh, sorry, were you responding to throwthecheese
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2873 [20:47:20] <t0no6a> jhutchins: yes
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2875 [20:47:48] <jhutchins> Of course, we don't know if ddrescue did a disk image or a partition image. You might need losetup for a disk image.
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2877 [20:48:10] <jhutchins> I would expect someone at the ddrescue project to have documented what to do with the output.
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2879 [20:49:18] <t0no6a> annadane : I responding toyou, try that,specially fdisk and mount -o loop
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2881 [20:50:16] <t0no6a> responding TO YOU ja...I hate my keyboard 😅
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2888 [20:52:12] <jhutchins> throwthecheese: If that mount command doesn't work, pastebin the error.
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2977 [21:43:38] <tiwake> JPT: where are ECC memory errors logged to anyway?
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2987 [21:45:42] <JPT> tiwake: I guess it may be in /var/log/messages or perhaps /var/log/kern.* if exists
2988 [21:45:58] <JPT> It's kernel output, so it may be somewhere in that area.
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2996 [21:48:22] <Soni> does debian have a torrent RSS I can use?
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3010 [21:56:46] <fearnothing> ooookay
3011 [21:56:55] <fearnothing> this is not an xming problem then
3012 [21:57:11] <fearnothing> I get the same fonts issue when ssh-ing from a linux box
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3058 [22:19:28] <teraflops> fearnothing: do you remember what I told you hours ago?
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3064 [22:25:45] <fearnothing> um, not unless you said it under another name?
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3067 [22:26:29] <fearnothing> sorry teraflops, I can't find what you said
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3081 [22:31:40] <teraflops> it looks like a font issue, lacking of fonts I think, did you install/uninstall fonts recently on the debian machine? iirc virt-manager uses dejavu* fonts, tried installing several dejavu* ones till it gets fixed?
3082 [22:32:46] <teraflops> fearnothing: unless you map dejavu to whatever family in your fonts configuration. I think the 2nd approach is easier
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3085 [22:33:19] <teraflops> by map I mean font substitution
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3089 [22:35:04] <teraflops> ,v fonts-dejavu-core
3090 [22:35:05] <judd> Package: fonts-dejavu-core on amd64 -- jessie: 2.34-1; buster: 2.37-1; sid: 2.37-1; stretch: 2.37-1
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3100 [22:38:04] <fearnothing> I have tried the former approach and installed all the dejavu options I can find
3101 [22:38:18] <teraflops> then try sshing again
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3103 [22:38:32] <donald> handler are missing in my debian and makes errors at every reboot. Can I solve teh problem by configuring the bios?
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3105 [22:39:54] <fearnothing> yeah, didn't make a difference
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3108 [22:40:06] <teraflops> hmm, installed fonts-dejavu-core?
3109 [22:40:13] <fearnothing> yes
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3113 [22:41:23] <teraflops> fearnothing: was virt-manager already running?
3114 [22:41:28] <fearnothing> no
3115 [22:41:38] <fearnothing> I also entirely reconnected ssh
3116 [22:41:47] <teraflops> tried running fc-cache on the debian side?
3117 [22:42:04] <teraflops> not needed most of the time, but who knows
3118 [22:42:05] <fearnothing> no, haven't seen that suggested so far
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3120 [22:43:29] <fearnothing> no dice
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3127 [22:47:08] <teraflops> it still looks youre missing fonts that's why it shows squares instead of glyphs
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3131 [22:49:22] <donald> handler are missing in my debian and makes errors at every reboot. Can I solve teh problem by configuring the bios?
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3139 [22:52:57] <fearnothing> reinstalled ttf-dejavu* and fonts-dejavu*
3140 [22:52:59] <fearnothing> no dice
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3145 [22:54:06] <fearnothing> the only thing I've done since it last worked that could be the issue is updates from apt
3146 [22:54:19] <fearnothing> nothing else I've done would have messed with fonts, I'm certain of that
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3153 [22:55:29] <hazzy> Hello, I have had the .xsession-errors fill up the entire free space on my SSD a couple of times lately, cause by unintentionally unplugging a USB microscope with out shutting VLC first resulting in billions of "No such device" errors
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3155 [22:55:43] <hazzy> Is there any way to limit the max log file size?
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3160 [22:56:38] <unch41n3d> hello all
3161 [22:57:08] <unch41n3d> switching to debian tonight
3162 [22:57:10] <`levi> hi :)
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3164 [22:57:30] <RedSoxFan07> fearnothing: Do you also use Liberation fonts?
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3166 [22:57:59] <fearnothing> I'm not aware of doing so
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3173 [22:59:45] <`levi> unch41n3d: that's nice :)
3174 [22:59:51] <unch41n3d> :)
3175 [23:00:06] <`levi> going for stable?
3176 [23:00:13] <unch41n3d> A bit harder than mint but we have to evolve
3177 [23:00:16] <unch41n3d> yup
3178 [23:01:18] <unch41n3d> do I have to enter a mirror at the install ?
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3180 [23:02:38] <SuperTramp83> unch41n3d: you will be asked if u want to use one and you say yes and then choose from a grphical list..
3181 [23:02:44] <`levi> you will have to choose a mirror, the installer will give you a list
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3183 [23:03:33] <unch41n3d> and then I have to inform a http and port info ? or i'm wrong
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3185 [23:04:14] <unch41n3d> well I will try this install that could not be so hard ^
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3187 [23:04:23] <`levi> if you're not going to use a proxy, then that will be automatic
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3189 [23:04:28] <SuperTramp83> unch41n3d: the installation is very straightforwrd, don't worry, just follow simple english indtructions :)
3190 [23:04:35] <`levi> unch41n3d: it's pretty easy nowadays
3191 [23:04:43] <unch41n3d> :)
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3196 [23:08:49] <`levi> unch41n3d: if you want more of a challenge, you could go for the text based install
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3198 [23:09:06] <unch41n3d> haha
3199 [23:09:11] <unch41n3d> that d be fun
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3205 [23:09:45] <fearnothing> tried installing fonts-liberation*, no dice
3206 [23:09:46] <unch41n3d> I first installed a amd version on intel because I had nothing other on the train
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3208 [23:10:09] <unch41n3d> and had no graphical interface at all when booting on it ^^
3209 [23:10:36] <unch41n3d> it is enough for me , I could not handle a text installation
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3211 [23:11:10] <unch41n3d> rebooting now my usb stick is ready see you guys !
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3213 [23:12:01] <`levi> unch41n3d: ahh yeah if you don't have X it's pretty boring
3214 [23:12:12] <`levi> unch41n3d: see you later, have fun!
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3245 [23:26:57] <Klaus_Dieter> hello world
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3247 [23:27:45] <RedSoxFan07> Klaus_Dieter: Hallo Klaus!
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3249 [23:28:08] <Klaus_Dieter> I am running jessie on my system and I am having trouble running an at-job as part of a udev rule. The rule fires and calls a shell script. I can see that in the log because the rule also invokes logger. Then I run at now <<< "/some/other/script" and I get: "Cannot open lockfile /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ: Read-only file system
3250 [23:28:31] <Klaus_Dieter> now this seems to be rather straight forward. however the fs where /var/spool/cron/atjobs/.SEQ resides is mounted rw
3251 [23:28:54] <Klaus_Dieter> also it is not the bug in packaging where .SEQ belongs to root instead of daemon
3252 [23:28:59] <Klaus_Dieter> what can I try to investigat?
3253 [23:29:03] <Klaus_Dieter> this is mount |grep ro
3254 [23:29:50] <Klaus_Dieter> => all except cgroups is moutned rw
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3257 [23:30:15] <Klaus_Dieter> /dev/sdf1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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3259 [23:30:27] <Klaus_Dieter> /var/spool/cron/atjobs resides on /
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3261 [23:30:57] <Klaus_Dieter> interestingly, if I run at now <<< /some/other/script, then everything is fine. it may be an issue with the interactive console
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3263 [23:32:16] <Klaus_Dieter> ultimately I am hoping to automatically run a shell script that does rsync-based backups whenever I plug in my usb hdd.
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3266 [23:32:47] <Klaus_Dieter> I ran my backup script with /bin/bash -l
3267 [23:32:51] <Klaus_Dieter> no change.
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3314 [23:51:58] <jhutchins> Klaus_Dieter: Be sure your script has #!/bin/bash at the top and that all files and commands have the full path. Make sure the script is executable.
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3318 [23:53:31] <Klaus_Dieter> jhutchins: that is the case. I am using full path and #!/bin/bash. I do not think the error is with the script but with the environemnt / atd
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3322 [23:54:05] <Klaus_Dieter> I ahve only seen "Read-only file system" so far when there was actually... you know... a file system mounted ro.
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3330 [23:57:24] <ahmed751995> excuse me , why does debian stick with eclipse 3.8 ?
3331 [23:57:34] <jhutchins> Klaus_Dieter: There may be another reason it can't write the file. A file with that name may already exist. You should examine the directory with ls -la and look for hiddenfiles. I would consider checking the filesystem.
3332 [23:57:49] <jhutchins> ahmed751995: Stable, reliable, well tested?
3333 [23:57:58] <jhutchins> ,v eclipse
3334 [23:58:00] <judd> Package: eclipse on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.8.0~rc4-1; jessie: 3.8.1-7; sid: 3.8.1-8; buster: 3.8.1-10; sid: 3.8.1-10; stretch: 3.8.1-10
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3336 [23:58:33] <Klaus_Dieter> the file is already there as expected by atd. it is writably by the user running atd.
3337 [23:58:43] <Klaus_Dieter> the fs is fine, just checked with fsck.
3338 [23:58:58] <Klaus_Dieter> /dev/sdf1 on / type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=remount-ro,data=ordered)
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3341 [23:59:07] <Klaus_Dieter> this is how it is mounted
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3344 [23:59:45] <ahmed751995> jhutchins, what about v 4.7 not even in buster or unstable
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