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41 [00:11:29] <L1zarT> so I used apt-get install pptp-linux to install my pptp client on debian 8
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44 [00:13:03] <L1zarT> I think I found the cause
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46 [00:13:43] <L1zarT> at first I created a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/pure
47 [00:13:51] <L1zarT> at first I created a script in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/
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50 [00:14:11] <L1zarT> but that was for a different location
51 [00:14:34] <L1zarT> I forgot to create a new one
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68 [00:25:34] <somiaj> Having an strange issue with gvim. I have the following as my .vimrc, replaced-url
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74 [00:27:06] <somiaj> (by works, misspelled words don't get correctly underlined until I manually change the colorscheme)
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87 [00:39:19] <L1zarT> anyone who van help with a pptp config ?
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90 [00:39:51] <josepopuu> hi all, i'm facing issue with an unstable install of qt (due to previous installation during last year of several version, from repo && from package downloaded on the website)
91 [00:40:21] <L1zarT> I got an ip=up script that is giving me a headache
92 [00:40:29] <josepopuu> today it's blocking, cause a lots of my GUI (as vbox, vlc, etc.) won't start
93 [00:40:46] <josepopuu> do anyone know how to do a qt fresh install ?
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96 [00:40:58] <L1zarT> nothing in the logs?
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98 [00:41:13] <josepopuu> i tried to remove old version I found from repo
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100 [00:42:11] <L1zarT> replaced-url
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104 [00:42:53] <L1zarT> should give you enough to start with
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106 [00:43:31] <josepopuu> i'll give a look right now, thanks
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108 [00:43:46] <L1zarT> just use wget to download the latest version
109 [00:43:53] <foul_owl> jelly: Thank you!
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112 [00:44:56] <L1zarT> wget replaced-url
113 [00:45:39] <L1zarT> anyone here who has any knowledge how to use pptp while aloowing traffic from lan?
114 [00:46:07] <L1zarT> or to be more precise: allow traffic from port forwarded router?
115 [00:46:34] <L1zarT> I am certain the cause is the ip-up script
116 [00:46:48] <L1zarT> #!/bin/bash
117 [00:46:48] <L1zarT> route add -net 10.0.0.0/8 dev ppp0
118 [00:46:48] <L1zarT> route add default dev ppp0
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120 [00:47:51] <L1zarT> it defaults the ppp0 but I am not able to access the webserver from my externally port forwarded domain
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131 [00:53:58] <gunchyo> Hey, how do I properly install the backport kernel
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133 [00:54:17] <gunchyo> And if possible have the stable line kernel alongside it as a backup?
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150 [01:05:04] <aging> whats a ANSI console for Debian? DL'd one once but forgot the name...
151 [01:05:11] <ChmEarl> gunchyo, apt-cache policy linux-image-amd64 -t stretch-backports
152 [01:05:21] <gunchyo> thx ChmEarl
153 [01:05:32] <gunchyo> seems both kernels are installed now
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237 [01:51:57] <v0idpwn> Hello. I installed the ath10k driver, and now I can connect to wifis, but it still doesnt work. Although it works with cable
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262 [02:08:24] <Soni> may I have `man hexchat-plguin.h` or similar?
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272 [02:12:40] <annadane> Soni, can you clarify your question?
273 [02:13:09] <Soni> I'd like a man page for making hexchat plugins, describing the hexchat plugin C API
274 [02:13:38] <Soni> replaced-url
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308 [02:30:04] <n_blownapart> hi upgrading to stretch from jessie 8. what's this bit about "Configuring unattended-upgrades (default says 'keep the local version currently installed) thanks
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320 [02:34:01] <n_blownapart> found it thanks
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325 [02:36:30] <Soni> oh this channel has a lot of join/quit...
326 [02:36:52] <Soni> *enables "hide join/quit"*
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328 [02:37:37] <Soni> anyway, as I was asking, may I have a man page for making hexchat plugins?
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366 [03:05:05] <phenom> Do yall know of a way to get Debian to mount an android device automatically on Deb 9 stable? gvfs-backends allows thunar to browse and copy files from the device via mtp: mtp://[usb:001,002]/
367 [03:05:48] <SirLagz> phenom: mine mount automatically when I try and access the device from thunar
368 [03:06:03] <phenom> But it doesn't mount it.
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370 [03:06:07] <phenom> I'm on XFCE
371 [03:06:19] <phenom> gnome and kde will mount it automatically
372 [03:06:22] <SirLagz> phenom: just realised mine might still be using the old school mass storage rather than MTP though
373 [03:06:29] <SirLagz> phenom: I'm on XFCE too
374 [03:06:33] <phenom> Oh
375 [03:06:34] <phenom> hmm
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378 [03:07:13] <SirLagz> phenom: but mine might still be using MSD rather than MTP...I don't have a USB-C cable handy so can't test my current phone
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380 [03:07:28] <phenom> I can use jmtpfs, but I'd rather thunar handle it automatically.
381 [03:07:40] <phenom> Right on, i appreciate it.
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384 [03:08:23] <SirLagz> phenom: I'll have a stab at it when I can
385 [03:08:26] <SirLagz> phenom: I'm about to head out
386 [03:08:42] <ambient> Greetings, I am dabbling with video editing on Linux. I have footage on different SSD drives in my machine. I have tried symlinks to access these drives for my project. However, after I reboot, I lose the symlinks and cannot restore my project. How would I get persistent symlinks across reboots?
387 [03:08:48] <phenom> SirLagz, Are you able to play a video directly from the phone etc, to your knowledge?
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389 [03:09:01] <SirLagz> phenom: on the phone that mounts as MSD or on my MTP devices?
390 [03:09:11] <phenom> I can copy the files over to my computer and open them up but not open them directly from the phone.
391 [03:09:22] <SirLagz> actually this old phone here might be MTP...gimme a sec
392 [03:09:28] <phenom> Well, presumably on the MTP devices.
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394 [03:10:14] <ambient> The SSD drives are NTFS, because normally I use Windows to edit video et al
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397 [03:12:23] <SirLagz> phenom: ah, this phone that I'm trying doens't automatically mount
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399 [03:13:05] <SirLagz> phenom: not sure if it's because this phone is a crappy budget phone though
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401 [03:13:28] <phenom> SirLagz, Yea, I fear XFCE doesn't provide the libraries needed to do it automatically.
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407 [03:14:38] <SirLagz> phenom: and I can't open photos from this device. have to download it to view it
408 [03:14:47] <phenom> If you install gvfs-backends, it will probably permit you to view and copy the files, just not play them directly.
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410 [03:14:57] <phenom> Right
411 [03:14:58] <SirLagz> phenom: I'm using gmtp
412 [03:15:24] <phenom> Same boat
413 [03:16:19] <phenom> Thanks for testing that out!
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415 [03:16:25] <SirLagz> phenom: no problems
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456 [03:38:08] <n_blownapart> hi I wonder if I did a full upgrade to stretch from jessie, will that fix any desktop corruption I was suffering (gnome)...thanks
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458 [03:39:13] <annadane> n_blownapart, that's really hard to know without more information
459 [03:39:56] <n_blownapart> what info can I add annadane ?
460 [03:40:13] <annadane> n_blownapart, well, what kind of desktop corruption?
461 [03:40:25] <annadane> you can of course try to upgrade to stretch if you don't still need jessie
462 [03:40:38] <annadane> just be aware that if it doesn't fix your problem you can't downgrade
463 [03:40:52] <annadane> and how long has the corruption been happening?
464 [03:40:57] <annadane> any idea what caused it?
465 [03:41:07] <n_blownapart> its the date/time mostly and characters missing here and there. I did the upgrade just now. just wondering
466 [03:41:27] <n_blownapart> no idea what caused it though
467 [03:42:20] <cef> n_blownapart: what video chipset?
468 [03:42:36] <n_blownapart> er..
469 [03:42:51] <n_blownapart> what's the command for that?
470 [03:43:22] <cef> if you have inxi installed, `inxi -G`
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473 [03:44:14] <n_blownapart> Intel 4th Gen Core
474 [03:44:25] <cef> n_blownapart: video drivers always seem to have bugs on certain hardware, so it's possible it's been fixed.
475 [03:44:43] <n_blownapart> cool thanks
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477 [03:44:50] <cef> n_blownapart: and given it's intel, quite possibly.
478 [03:44:57] <n_blownapart> excellent thanks
479 [03:45:33] <n_blownapart> stretch is very snappy !
480 [03:46:01] <cef> intel has a history of not great drivers. getting better now but for a while is was fairly crap. when stretch was released, it wasn't great, tho it always depended on your exact hardware.
481 [03:46:16] <cef> is was = it was
482 [03:47:06] <cef> sorry, when jessie was released.. getting things backwards
483 [03:47:23] <cef> basically, stretch has better intel support
484 [03:47:31] <annadane> :D
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486 [03:48:34] <cef> I've got intel 7th gen and it works, but it's not great in stretch. using some backports stuff improved things, tho it could get better. damn mesa not yet being in backports yet. ;)
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490 [03:49:29] <n_blownapart> sorry I was looking for my cpuinfo. not computer saavy. its intel i3
491 [03:50:42] <cef> so an intel i3-4xxx series?
492 [03:50:48] <cef> which is 4th gen
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494 [03:51:23] <n_blownapart> anyone use hadoop ? I'm thinking of learning hadoop on 4 vm's .. I've used vagrant before, there's also bitnami I'm reading here... yeah cef i3-4130
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589 [05:04:10] <Johnjay> is there some way to automate this install process?
590 [05:04:27] <Johnjay> this is the 3rd time I've come back to my pc and the debian installer is waiting on a question with a yes/no answer
591 [05:04:52] <klys> what kind of target are you imaging to?
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593 [05:05:40] <Johnjay> a virtual machine on disk
594 [05:05:57] <klys> well then you can reconfigure debconf to assume yes
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596 [05:06:31] <Johnjay> how do I do that when there is no debian system installed?
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598 [05:06:37] <Johnjay> edit the cd iso image?
599 [05:07:21] <klys> as I recall, those are squashfs files on the .iso
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603 [05:08:22] <Johnjay> is that a text format I can edit with notepad.exe?
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605 [05:08:47] <klys> no, you'd have to rebuild squashfs from an existing debian or gnu installation
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607 [05:09:39] <Johnjay> well linux overcomplicates everything as usual
608 [05:09:55] <Johnjay> I just want to click a few boxes then walk away and have it install.
609 [05:10:24] <annadane> i thought you could use preseeds?
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612 [05:11:14] <klys> you need to just reconfigure debconf after installing the base system.
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614 [05:11:36] <klys> you can run tasksel whenever you want.
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624 [05:29:02] <wreckluse> im looking for a debian based distro to run live with persistance
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626 [05:29:24] <wreckluse> i cant install on this machine
627 [05:29:46] <annadane> wreckluse, debian has live images. replaced-url
628 [05:30:05] <annadane> of course, you said "debian based" and so that doesn't really answer you
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632 [05:31:18] <wreckluse> sorry. i guess im looking for an easy way back in to debian without a full install. its no my own machine
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634 [05:32:37] <wreckluse> i is there a better chan to ask these sort of questions without ruffling to mant feathers?
635 [05:33:10] <annadane> wreckluse, i mean, i just answered you; debian has live images
636 [05:33:18] <annadane> this channel is perfectly fine to ask in
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638 [05:34:47] <wreckluse> ok. i guess im looking for a distro that is debian based that caters to people that want to run the os with persistence?
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640 [05:35:23] <annadane> i'm not sure about persistence as such, if by persistence you mean you can save your changes but just not write to disc
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642 [05:35:59] <wreckluse> yes no changes to this HD
643 [05:36:42] <annadane> but do you want to save your chances and save to a usb stick for example? not sure what you mean by persistence
644 [05:36:53] <annadane> s/chances/changes
645 [05:37:08] <wreckluse> yes.
646 [05:37:20] <annadane> okay. because that i'll let someone else answer
647 [05:37:48] <wreckluse> thanks for responding
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649 [05:38:02] <wreckluse> i know there has to be something
650 [05:38:19] <wreckluse> no way im using puppy linux
651 [05:38:30] <wreckluse> and slitaz isnt really my bag
652 [05:38:44] <wreckluse> at least not as it was last time i looked
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657 [05:43:27] <annadane> the debian faq says "You do not need to install anything on the hard drive. Instead you boot from the medium (DVD or USB key) and are able to start working on the machine right away. All programs run directly from the medium." which isn't helpful
658 [05:43:33] <annadane> it doesn't really specify
659 [05:43:52] <annadane> to me that implies you can save progress to a stick - and you should be able to - but i just don't know
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661 [05:44:47] <wreckluse> thats exactly what im looking to do
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663 [05:44:57] <wreckluse> ill google
664 [05:45:12] <wreckluse> ty
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677 [05:49:07] <wreckluse> there were a few distros that were all the rage moons ago that pushed this as a feature. knopix, puppy linux, slitaz, even backtrax
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679 [05:49:47] <wreckluse> slax
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702 [06:07:36] <wreckluse> i think i found my distro. mx16
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733 [06:33:11] <rant> wreckluse: that stuff is not on topic here.. we discuss debian..and the simple solution to your issue is to install debian to a thumbdrive
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735 [06:33:25] <rant> thats what I do on a laptop that doesnt belong to me..
736 [06:33:46] <strength> does this message seem weird to anyone?
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738 [06:33:53] <rant> yes
739 [06:34:04] <strength> "A new version (/tmp/fileLHXZAp) of configuration file /etc/ssh/sshd_config is available, but the version installed currently has been locally │
740 [06:34:04] <strength> │ modified. "
741 [06:34:07] <rant> its a question that has no real question in it
742 [06:34:29] <strength> rant: i totally meant to use :
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744 [06:35:27] <rant> strength: I havent quite seen one like that per-se but its standard packaging policy to not overwrite a user's configs
745 [06:35:37] <rant> at least not without asking first
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748 [06:36:38] <strength> is that why this other config is labelled in temp?
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750 [06:37:40] <rant> that I have no idea about.. never seen that before.. but apparently it detected you modified your config and didnt want to overwrite it.. its not a big deal
751 [06:38:12] <strength> just not sure which one i shjould go with now
752 [06:38:50] <rant> strength: if you have to ask that question you should uninstall ssh immediately
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755 [06:39:20] <rant> the only sshd config anyone should use is the one they configured
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758 [06:40:42] <harindu95> Most of the time it's ok to use the package maintainer's version if you didn't modify it yourself.
759 [06:40:49] <wreckluse> thanks. ive bveen reading about running building and running debian from a removable drive
760 [06:40:52] <rant> in my opinion it should have a configured = false kind of setting in it where it doesnt even run until the config is edited.. cause the defaults of allowing root logins is not cool in my opinion
761 [06:41:10] <themill> good thing that's not allowed by default then
762 [06:41:13] <wreckluse> sorry to go off topic
763 [06:41:47] <wreckluse> the distro i mentioned is actually debian though. i think i got this
764 [06:42:01] <wreckluse> thanks for all your help folks
765 [06:42:04] <rant> wreckluse: its real simple. put the installer on one media, cd/dvd/usb and install to a thumbdrive exactly the same as you would a HDD install
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768 [06:42:44] <harindu95> yup. and select the usb from the bios
769 [06:43:05] <wreckluse> i get it. i just only have 2 gb thumbs right now
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771 [06:43:29] <rant> I am all but certain root logins, password logins, etc are all enabled by default because I always have to go in and disable it all everytime I install ssh
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774 [06:44:07] <themill> rant: your small lack of certainty is correct. PermitRootLogin prohibit-password
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777 [06:45:55] <rant> wreckluse: pity. mine is on a 32gb I'd recommend at least 8gb minimum but 16gb or more would be better.. a standard install will use 4-6GB or so for a full DE
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779 [06:46:37] <rant> themill: idk I seem to recall i always set to yes not the restrictive prohibit-password
780 [06:48:19] <themill> Once upon a time
781 [06:48:25] <rant> I personally disable use of pam, root login, or password auth altogether.
782 [06:48:31] <wreckluse> yeah. was looking for soming i could run from dvd and make do persistence with perhaps a sd card
783 [06:48:45] <wreckluse> or a small usb
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785 [06:49:20] <wreckluse> limited resources
786 [06:49:40] <rant> wreckluse: thats doable but more complicated a configuration especially since the dvd is read-only and the knowledge of the persistant media would have to be put in there prior to writing the image to disk
787 [06:50:49] <rant> media is really cheap these days.. I paid about $5 for those 32gb thumbdrives..
788 [06:51:51] <wreckluse> i get that. i just wanted to start tonight
789 [06:52:16] <rant> you can squeeze debian into 2gb especially with a squashfs .. but itd be real tight
790 [06:52:17] <wreckluse> i have a 2 tb usb drive too
791 [06:52:35] <rant> well you can certainly use a usb HDD as well
792 [06:52:42] <wreckluse> i just wanted use small removable drives
793 [06:53:19] <harindu95> what's your use case?
794 [06:53:39] <rant> I've set those up before with small 10gb or so partitions with the OS and left the remainder NTFS or FAT so it can easily be used as a removable disk for windows or linux..
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797 [06:54:01] <wreckluse> want to use my gf laptop without "changing it"
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799 [06:54:45] <wreckluse> been maybe 8 years since i used linux as a daily driver
800 [06:55:06] <wreckluse> have no machine of my own
801 [06:55:11] <rant> sorry to hear that :P
802 [06:55:19] <wreckluse> shudup
803 [06:55:57] <wreckluse> i forgot how to use linux
804 [06:56:01] <wreckluse> sorta
805 [06:56:11] <wreckluse> im trying to get back in
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807 [06:56:46] <wreckluse> i was a mod on #chunchbang for about 4 years
808 [06:57:16] <rant> in my experience linux is far easier to learn/use than say windows.. I've tested this theory with several people with no computer experience
809 [06:57:31] <wreckluse> i agree
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811 [06:58:17] <wreckluse> its just been a long time
812 [06:58:31] <rant> thats not to discount how difficult it can be to unlearn behaviors from people who have used other OSes extensively
813 [06:59:16] <wreckluse> ive went back to windows after using linux for a long time
814 [06:59:29] <wreckluse> ive been poor
815 [06:59:39] <wreckluse> and a bit od a hobo
816 [06:59:40] <abff> this computer I am on right now was free
817 [07:00:04] <wreckluse> ive had trouble
818 [07:00:24] <wreckluse> i went to mobile devices for a long time
819 [07:00:42] <abff> you're only human
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821 [07:01:33] <wreckluse> i had a home and a place to make my own "computer lab"
822 [07:02:14] <wreckluse> i fell in love with linux after xp turned users in to os criminals
823 [07:02:56] <wreckluse> i started with puppy because it made sense to a windows convert
824 [07:03:16] <wreckluse> then i found ubuntu
825 [07:03:25] <wreckluse> went to crunchbang
826 [07:03:33] <wreckluse> staued for years
827 [07:03:38] <wreckluse> stayed
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831 [07:04:21] <wreckluse> distro hopped around but knew debian was the shit
832 [07:04:22] <bhas> #offsec /join
833 [07:05:58] <wreckluse> huh?
834 [07:07:21] <wreckluse> i just need to get my own machine
835 [07:07:46] <wreckluse> thought it would be fun to run debian tonight
836 [07:07:49] <wreckluse> ill wait
837 [07:08:55] <wreckluse> i think i just got in when people were spinning ubuntu
838 [07:09:23] <wreckluse> looks like the new thing is to respin arch
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840 [07:10:33] <wreckluse> when #! went to debian it was a welcome change
841 [07:10:40] <wreckluse> i was a fan
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875 [07:46:15] <strength> hrrmm, sooo when you're at a black screen that just says "boot:" how do you start the system?
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880 [07:50:06] <juul> Hi! I just used dh_make to create a source package. Is it good practice to include the resulting debian/ directory in the git repo for the project? are there any files that should not be checked in?
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934 [08:44:43] <themill> juul: there's a stack of example files in there that are not needed -- delete everything that you're not actually using. Mixing upstream development and packaging in the one branch isn't great; a separate branch that just adds debian/* to the working tree is the normal way of doing this more cleanly
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945 [08:50:35] <juul> themill: thanks!
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997 [09:20:47] <iodev> i'm back on standard debian :-)
998 [09:21:10] <strength> what weere you on before?
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1000 [09:21:27] <strength> why doesnt ifconfig show up in apt?
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1002 [09:22:21] <iodev> strength: for a brief time I switched to devuan and gentoo and now back to debian :D (less than 1 day :D)
1003 [09:22:34] <iodev> strength: ifconfig is old, use ip addr instead
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1005 [09:23:09] <strength> whats the command?
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1007 [09:23:32] <iodev> strength: I told you it's "ip addr"
1008 [09:23:42] <strength> 3 distros in one day? were you snowed in?
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1010 [09:24:01] <strength> hrmmph, ive never seen a comand with a space in it before
1011 [09:24:28] <iodev> strength: the command is "ip", the parameter is "addr" (short for address) => ip addr
1012 [09:24:43] <strength> ahh, thank you ;p
1013 [09:24:49] <strength> ive just got my first vps
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1016 [09:25:12] <iodev> what's it running strength, debian?
1017 [09:25:35] <strength> and i really have no idea what im doing... but i did manage to update from debian 8-9
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1020 [09:26:20] <strength> but since its a cloud vps, im worried i probably broke something and will be basically learning through fixing the things that i break
1021 [09:27:12] <strength> were you running a server or just your home machine?
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1026 [09:28:51] <iodev> strength: I only did the distro change on my home machine
1027 [09:29:18] <iodev> I do have a server, cloud VPS, but that's off-topic here I think (it doesn't run Debian, because I wanted newer ZNC)
1028 [09:30:47] <strength> ijust got a cloud vps. what are you running yours for? got any cool projects?
1029 [09:31:14] <iodev> strength: I don't think this is on-topic here, but we can chat about it in PM
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1040 [09:39:51] <abff> does anyone know why a terminal emulator would fail to interpret ansi codes?
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1053 [09:47:38] <taylorbyte> I'm thinking about doing a debian install on a laptop with LUKS and boot with UEFI, It currently have archlinux on it and FAT32 Efi System Partition mounted to /boot works fine. but i noticed from past debian installs: during upgrades the kernel gets symlinked inside /boot and FAT32 don't allow it. is there a suggested partition structure e.g.: /boot as ext4/2 and/boot/EFI as FAT32 or /boot as all ext4?
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1061 [09:52:48] <JyZyXEL> taylorbyte: i use 512 MiB /boot as ext4 and 512 MiB /boot/efi as vfat
1062 [09:54:06] <LiuYan> taylorbyte: with grub2 nowadays, i would like have only two partions, /boot/efi and /, this works for me
1063 [09:54:08] <taylorbyte> JyZyXEL: does that make a /boot/efi/EFI structure?
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1065 [09:54:58] <JyZyXEL> taylorbyte: no, but i think grub-efi does that during update-grub
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1071 [09:59:18] <bari> Hi, after some upgrades (4 months ago) the thumbs for files are not generated. I found out that gnome-thumbnail-factory should call thumbnailers. I have tried to simple wrap gdk-pixbuf-thumbnailer and it is not execuded. I dont know why :) Only /.cache/thumbnails/fail/gnome-thumbnail-factory are created. how can i debug gnome-thumbnail-factory? or any other ideas? :)
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1073 [10:01:16] <taylorbyte> JyZyXEL: i thought that since efi firmware likes to look inside the ESP directory /EFI mounting the ESP inside of /boot/efi would make another sub folder called EFI ending up as /boot/efi/EFI ?
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1077 [10:03:51] <foo> I used to do echo something | nc ... - and if I accessed this port from another system, I'd see what I echo'd. I forget the flags to nc, though, anyone happen to know?
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1087 [10:13:04] <F6475> what is the best way to disable all sound on a standard debian 9 by default? which packages would I have to remove to make sure there is no sound output?
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1093 [10:16:29] <bari> F6475, i dont know but what about gnome-audio?
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1111 [10:39:04] * `levi 'ello
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1114 [10:40:27] <klys> hello
1115 [10:40:39] <bari> hello
1116 [10:41:04] <Sveta> bari: greetings
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1119 [10:43:41] <d110129> hi
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1121 [10:44:34] <Sveta> d110129: hi
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1124 [10:48:59] <d110129> is there a way to access another user's document in linux?
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1128 [10:49:34] <BCMM> d110129: as in, files stored by that user in their home directory?
1129 [10:49:45] <BCMM> that will depend on the permissions that that user applied to that file
1130 [10:50:04] <bari> BCMM, and home folder can be encrypted :D
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1132 [10:50:29] <BCMM> d110129: and if they did not explicitly set permissions, that depends on the replaced-url
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1134 [10:50:52] <BCMM> it is 0022 by default on Debian
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1136 [10:52:17] <d110129> :0
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1141 [10:56:14] <BCMM> so by default, files are readable but not writable by other users
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1200 [11:38:56] <searcher> hello, I have a asus chromebook and it has a SSD Form Factor eMMC and I would like to remove the mainboard to format it
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1202 [11:39:08] <searcher> it doesnt boot anymore and I didnt enable boot from usb
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1204 [11:39:32] <searcher> is it possible to attach a asus chromebook mainboard to another notebook?
1205 [11:39:46] <searcher> if yes, what do I need for it?
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1216 [11:41:48] <searcher> any ideas? I can use an adapter to provide power
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1219 [11:42:40] <searcher> it has usb-ports, usb to usb?
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1225 [11:43:49] <searcher> #flood test
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1275 [12:02:10] <`levi> hi
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1280 [12:04:11] <NegroPussy> i eat nigger cunt
1281 [12:04:17] <NegroPussy> black pussy is awesome
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1303 [12:18:01] <_0bitcount> Ha! I don't know why people pay for TV subscriptions or have accounts on Facebook, running debian testing/sid is an endless source of amusement and discovery. :)
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1312 [12:20:43] <`levi> hi hi
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1319 [12:23:24] <luclu7> specially debian sid in production ! :D
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1328 [12:27:58] <_0bitcount> I'm always amazed when I read that some people (developers) use sid for their production workstations or servers.
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1330 [12:29:00] <_0bitcount> I suppose they control minutely to only update what's critical and in a tightly controlled manner.
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1332 [12:29:56] <n4dir> or they simply have got a good backup solution ...
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1336 [12:32:57] <gorgabal> I don't even dare to run testing on my desktop, good old stable is good for me
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1343 [12:36:40] <luclu7> sid is *great* if you want debian and latest packages, because stable on a desktop.. XD
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1345 [12:36:45] <Labu> hello I run mate on Debian stretch How can I install only Klauncher on my system without install all kde desktop. I need it for Kate
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1348 [12:37:01] <luclu7> at least a normal user desktop it's perfect
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1356 [12:39:13] <Labu> How can I get wich package provide Klauncher with apt ?
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1361 [12:42:56] <Phrk_> Labu, i think it's dpkg-query -L x
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1363 [12:43:43] <Phrk_> no apt-file search x
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1365 [12:44:13] <Labu> thx Phrk_
1366 [12:45:20] <Labu> Phrk_: apt-file doesn't exist do you mean apt-cache perhaps ?
1367 [12:47:21] <Phrk_> well i'm not on debian actualy sorry
1368 [12:47:21] <LiuYan> gorgabal: i actually run debian sid on a production server, not critical one, but it's a production server
1369 [12:48:15] <nevyn> _0bitcount: sid doesn't break that much and when it does it's quickly fixed
1370 [12:48:35] <Labu> no problem Phrk_
1371 [12:49:28] <_0bitcount> nevyn, I suppose it just requires a detailed knowledge of the system and some care.
1372 [12:49:40] <luclu7> Labu apt-file is in repos
1373 [12:49:49] <_0bitcount> My experience with sid is very limited. A few hours with VMs.
1374 [12:49:50] <Labu> I found how I can do what I want
1375 [12:50:22] <LiuYan> Labu: install apt-file first, then `apt update && apt-file search <the binary file of Klauncher>`
1376 [12:50:26] <Labu> ok I did not think it's another package
1377 [12:50:32] <_0bitcount> I have tried testing on an off on the desktop through the years. Sometimes packages were broken for weeks (xfce).
1378 [12:50:45] <Labu> ok thx luclu7 LiuYan
1379 [12:50:58] <Labu> I installed dolphin
1380 [12:51:06] <Labu> and kate works now
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1386 [12:52:38] <luclu7> "egrep "/path/to/file" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*" may also work
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1388 [12:53:47] <Labu> yes luclu7 this is the command I tried to find
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1391 [12:55:03] <luclu7> egrep "/path/to/file" /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.list is better, it don't give you md5sums too
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1393 [12:55:48] <Labu> I must reboot I will come back
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1428 [13:14:58] <Soni> I'd like a man page for making hexchat plugins, describing the hexchat plugin C API. basically this, but formatted as a man page and stuff: replaced-url
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1430 [13:17:43] <metax> it would be nice.
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1445 [13:26:52] <_0bitcount> Soni, you should start your wish with the words "Dear Santa, " ;)
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1451 [13:30:01] <MBB> hi
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1455 [13:32:34] <MBB> hi
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1459 [13:37:28] <_0bitcount> Will putting a package on "hold" keep all its dependencies also frozen?
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1461 [13:37:59] <themill> no
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1463 [13:39:01] <themill> (the hold *might* prevent the dependencies from being upgraded depending on whether versioned dependencies prevent the upgrade, but not in general)
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1474 [13:45:30] <Soni> _0bitcount: I could write it myself if I wasn't so bad at writing this stuff
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1497 [13:54:42] <_0bitcount> OK. Thank you themill.
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1503 [13:55:53] <kedor_> Hello...
1504 [13:56:01] <kedor_> I'm Chinese.
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1564 [14:30:16] <d110129> HELP:when i use ftp
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1568 [14:30:42] <d110129> it ask name?
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1570 [14:31:25] <d110129> i just hit enter but then it said "This FTP server is anonymous only."
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1626 [14:59:44] <Upoufou> Hello a tous
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1628 [15:00:45] <Upoufou> Ok i have a problem
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1632 [15:03:39] <Upoufou> When i open gnome-controle-center-network, i no have option for active vpn on SSID, and other option is lost, or when i open nm-connection-editor i have more option, i have option for vpn auto in SSId etcc. BUT ! If i change option with nm-connection-editor the network bug, and i cant connect. This option change line in : /etc/NetworkManager/system
1633 [15:03:39] <Upoufou> -connections
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1635 [15:04:24] <Upoufou> My connection for my SSID in files system-connection/MYSSID no have lot of line, but if change with nm-connection-editor line add in files
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1637 [15:04:57] <Upoufou> So i do réinstall and i no choose gnome, or WTF ? thank for answer
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1639 [15:05:26] <Upoufou> I'm not a newbie, or other, is just that and no understand
1640 [15:07:12] <Upoufou> i have Debian strecht 9.2.1 with gnome
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1642 [15:10:10] <guoruei> so you use wifi ?
1643 [15:10:28] <Upoufou> i have install the 4 packet, network-manager, network-manager-gnome, openvpn-netwrok-manager, openvpn-network-manager-gnome
1644 [15:10:33] <Upoufou> Yes
1645 [15:11:10] <guoruei> have u install kvm ?
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1647 [15:11:29] <Upoufou> kvm ?
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1649 [15:13:40] <guoruei> ,if install kvm or openvpn network-manager-gnome will can not work normal
1650 [15:14:23] <Upoufou> hum hum
1651 [15:14:49] <Upoufou> i have install network manager but kvm no know that
1652 [15:14:56] <guoruei> i install kvm and my pptp vpn Not working
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1656 [15:15:19] <Upoufou> ok ok
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1658 [15:16:35] <guoruei> What have you set up when u install openvpn ?
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1662 [15:17:20] <Upoufou> i have open gnome-control-center network and i have add my network wifi
1663 [15:17:29] <Upoufou> and i have add a vpn
1664 [15:17:49] <Upoufou> i use the icone in up right for manage this
1665 [15:17:50] <guoruei> cat /etc/network/interfaces ?
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1667 [15:17:54] <efsnable> Hi
1668 [15:18:00] <Upoufou> just my lo
1669 [15:18:03] <efsnable> please help : replaced-url
1670 [15:18:07] <Upoufou> in interfaces files
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1672 [15:18:22] <guoruei> ...
1673 [15:18:29] <guoruei> om
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1679 [15:19:28] <guoruei> so u just use GUI set up ?
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1681 [15:20:01] <efsnable> for example i cant save files I edit with Kate
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1683 [15:20:27] <guoruei> try sudo ?
1684 [15:20:31] <Upoufou> yes but i try and want use shell, but habitualy (before i use ubuntu) yes i use GUI
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1686 [15:21:22] <mirak> is there some tool that setup chroot mounts easily ?
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1688 [15:21:49] <mtn> efsnable, you do know that some files require root permissions to edit them, right?
1689 [15:21:51] <guoruei> have u try google it,look for a Tutorial?
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1691 [15:21:57] <efsnable> mtn
1692 [15:21:58] <efsnable> right
1693 [15:22:06] <relaxed> mirak: look at schroot
1694 [15:22:12] <mtn> efsnable, and is the file in question one of those?
1695 [15:22:21] <Upoufou> mirak you seriously for you're question
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1697 [15:22:31] <Upoufou> -_-
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1699 [15:23:24] <mtn> efsnable, if you need to edit a file like that, start gedit with gksudo. never use sudo with a gui app
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1702 [15:24:24] <guoruei> Upoufou: I mean, can you show me your tutorial?
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1704 [15:25:00] <Upoufou> guoruei is very easy
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1706 [15:25:18] <efsnable> yeah
1707 [15:25:31] <efsnable> look i apologize in advance, i dont have much experience with *nix
1708 [15:25:35] <mirak> relaxed, thanks, i know this one and find it a bit overkill for what i wanted
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1710 [15:25:40] <mirak> like one shoot chroot
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1712 [15:25:49] <efsnable> I just want to install this SIP capture system
1713 [15:25:51] <mirak> just need the mount --binds on sys proc and such
1714 [15:25:56] <efsnable> to monior my voip connection
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1716 [15:26:03] <relaxed> mirak: well, just write a bash script to do what you need
1717 [15:26:08] <Upoufou> guoruei you click on right up in icone network, setting, add name ssid, WPA2 and conect.
1718 [15:26:25] <mirak> relaxed, yeah, i lost it haha. I will do it again
1719 [15:26:36] <mtn> efsnable, did you check the repos for the software you need?
1720 [15:26:43] <Upoufou> guoruei and for vpn same click on right up in icone network-manager-gnome, add pre-save vpn and go
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1723 [15:28:06] <efsnable> mtn it suppose to install everything for me
1724 [15:28:07] <guoruei> Upoufou: it is hard for me ...can we just google it some CLI way to do it ?i will help u
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1726 [15:28:10] <efsnable> using a script
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1728 [15:28:20] <mtn> efsnable, what is? and how are you installing it?
1729 [15:28:20] <Upoufou> replaced-url
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1731 [15:28:44] <efsnable> replaced-url
1732 [15:29:06] <guoruei> Upoufou: i have no this on my screen
1733 [15:29:08] <efsnable> sorry
1734 [15:29:11] <efsnable> i meant replaced-url
1735 [15:29:14] <Upoufou> guoruei if you have a better option im ready
1736 [15:29:18] <mtn> efsnable, did you look to see if that software was in the package manager? yes or no?
1737 [15:29:21] <d110129> i'm new to linux
1738 [15:29:34] <Upoufou> guoruei seriously me i have that lol
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1740 [15:29:48] <efsnable> why would it be ?
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1743 [15:30:12] <mtn> efsnable, why would it not be?
1744 [15:30:15] <guoruei> Upoufou: u can see my screen ,, i live it replaced-url
1745 [15:30:27] <mtn> efsnable, is that a yes or a no?
1746 [15:30:28] <efsnable> because i havent installed it
1747 [15:30:32] <efsnable> no
1748 [15:30:42] <Upoufou> guoruei yes
1749 [15:30:51] <d110129> so someone plz tell me what is different dist-upgrade and upgrade&&update
1750 [15:31:01] <mtn> efsnable, no software is installed until you install it. many thousands of software are listed in the pacakge manager
1751 [15:31:08] <Upoufou> guoruei same
1752 [15:31:32] <guoruei> what ?..no
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1754 [15:31:34] <efsnable> this one doesn't
1755 [15:31:44] <Upoufou> guoruei yes its same
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1757 [15:31:51] <guoruei> Upoufou: Different
1758 [15:32:01] <Upoufou> guoruei wiat i screen shot
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1760 [15:32:30] <abrotman> d110129: the man pages explain this
1761 [15:32:39] <efsnable> what does this mean " Package 'zzz' has no installation candidate"
1762 [15:33:00] <abrotman> it means the package doesn't exist in your repos
1763 [15:33:07] <abrotman> judd: versions zzz
1764 [15:33:09] <judd> No package named 'zzz' was found in amd64.
1765 [15:33:53] <efsnable> like on my machine or on git ?
1766 [15:34:22] <abrotman> what command did you run?
1767 [15:34:25] <abrotman> what was the full output?
1768 [15:34:45] <Upoufou> guoruei it's same you have host for pic ?
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1770 [15:34:59] <Upoufou> guoruei same
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1772 [15:35:37] <guoruei> Upoufou: ok
1773 [15:36:21] <guoruei> Upoufou: so u want install openvpn and setup in you debian ?
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1775 [15:37:00] <guoruei> so just google it ....debian openvpn...and pick a tutorial
1776 [15:37:05] <Upoufou> guoruei no iy's not that
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1778 [15:37:33] <guoruei> Upoufou: what do u want to do ?
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1781 [15:38:04] <Upoufou> guoruei i have openvpn and i have vpn is work
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1784 [15:38:15] <guoruei> ok
1785 [15:38:23] <guoruei> and ?
1786 [15:38:24] <Upoufou> guoruei but i no have option connect auto with SSID or other
1787 [15:38:38] <Upoufou> or if i use nm-connection-editor i have this
1788 [15:38:41] <Upoufou> like this
1789 [15:39:34] <Upoufou> replaced-url
1790 [15:40:16] <Upoufou> i'm no i have this option or second line for add vpn, but if i use nm-conenction-editor i have this
1791 [15:40:19] <Upoufou> but it's bug
1792 [15:40:27] <guoruei> ok
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1794 [15:41:14] <Upoufou> So i gnome network is restricted option that fine
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1796 [15:41:19] <Upoufou> but how i change that
1797 [15:41:39] <guoruei> setup /etc/network/interfaces
1798 [15:41:52] <Upoufou> you sure ?
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1801 [15:42:16] <guoruei> ye
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1804 [15:42:56] <Upoufou> replaced-url
1805 [15:43:00] <Upoufou> i juste i have
1806 [15:43:09] <guoruei> u wan u get a dhcp ip or static ip from ssid
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1808 [15:43:16] <Upoufou> so i add line for wlp0s0 and for tun0 ?
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1811 [15:44:22] <Upoufou> i have a dynamic ip with dhcp
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1817 [15:45:29] <guoruei> replaced-url
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1820 [15:45:57] <guoruei> it is my raspberrypi /etc/network/interfaces
1821 [15:46:09] <guoruei> auto wlan0
1822 [15:46:19] <Upoufou> ok
1823 [15:46:24] <Upoufou> i read
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1827 [15:48:10] <guoruei> can u show me you debian
1828 [15:48:10] <guoruei> sudo ifconfig
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1832 [15:48:25] <Upoufou> yes
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1836 [15:49:05] <Upoufou> i don't have sudo
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1838 [15:49:47] <guoruei> you need
1839 [15:49:47] <guoruei> su - root
1840 [15:49:47] <guoruei> and
1841 [15:49:47] <guoruei> apt install sudo
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1844 [15:50:23] <guoruei> and setup u sudo to user CLI
1845 [15:50:29] <guoruei> visudo
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1852 [15:51:33] <guoruei> Upoufou: u can see my screen .about set up visudo
1853 [15:51:40] <Upoufou> replaced-url
1854 [15:51:59] <Upoufou> guoruei i use nano
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1856 [15:52:13] <Upoufou> guoruei yes i can install sudo
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1862 [15:53:15] <guoruei> Upoufou: the first thing first you install done debian ...is install sudo
1863 [15:53:28] <Upoufou> oh ok lol
1864 [15:53:34] <guoruei> and do visudo
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1866 [15:53:49] <CrazyTux> is there any tool available for Debian that is similar to OpenSUSE's Yast?
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1868 [15:53:56] <Upoufou> ok so i go in root
1869 [15:53:57] <guoruei> # User privilege specification
1870 [15:53:57] <guoruei> root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
1871 [15:53:57] <guoruei> nong ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
1872 [15:54:02] <Upoufou> apt install sudo
1873 [15:54:06] <guoruei> ok
1874 [15:54:07] <Upoufou> and viduso ?
1875 [15:54:10] <mtn> CrazyTux, no
1876 [15:54:13] <Upoufou> visudo sorry
1877 [15:54:13] <guoruei> yes
1878 [15:54:16] <Upoufou> ok
1879 [15:54:19] <guoruei> ok
1880 [15:54:29] <guoruei> u can see my screen
1881 [15:54:30] <Upoufou> i don't very like sudo lol
1882 [15:54:33] <Upoufou> yes
1883 [15:55:00] <guoruei> so u can add a use to use sudo
1884 [15:55:06] <guoruei> like me .
1885 [15:55:15] <Upoufou> ok
1886 [15:55:15] <guoruei> i add a user call nong
1887 [15:55:42] <guoruei> the following line root
1888 [15:55:49] <guoruei> # User privilege specification
1889 [15:55:49] <guoruei> root ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
1890 [15:55:49] <guoruei> nong ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL
1891 [15:55:52] <guoruei> see ?
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1893 [15:55:57] <Upoufou> replaced-url
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1895 [15:56:18] <Upoufou> replaced-url
1896 [15:56:37] <CrazyTux> why is Debian not as easy as OpenSUSE Leap or Mageia?
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1899 [15:57:55] <Upoufou> guoruei my network is very slow
1900 [15:58:01] <klys> crazytux, because everything is new. for less scripts you can use an older ersion and those are easier
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1903 [15:58:43] <mtn> CrazyTux, how is not as easy?
1904 [15:59:01] <Upoufou> guoruei replaced-url
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1906 [15:59:08] <CrazyTux> klys, why not include a tool like Yast in Debian also?
1907 [15:59:23] <Upoufou> guoruei ok i add a line with my user name
1908 [15:59:32] <CrazyTux> Mageia also has something similar to that.
1909 [15:59:48] <Upoufou> guoruei ok i add a line with my user name
1910 [15:59:53] <dulipa> CrazyTux: it is a conspiracy Debian developers want more people to switch to Ubuntu :D
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1912 [16:00:16] <klys> crazytux, deconf manages your setup, so you don't have to use glue like this which obviously will break
1913 [16:00:22] <klys> debconf*
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1917 [16:00:41] <CrazyTux> which will break?
1918 [16:00:44] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
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1920 [16:01:31] <klys> crazytux, debian is not a gui and using a gui for package setup is not a good idea (tm).
1921 [16:01:49] <mtn> klys, huh? what is synaptic then?
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1923 [16:02:04] <klys> mtn, it's a generic installer for debs
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1926 [16:02:31] <mtn> klys, it is a gui package installer. you know, what you just said debian doesn't have ;)
1927 [16:02:53] <klys> mtn, dselect is a tui package installer. not much difference there.
1928 [16:02:53] <rtur> On a server, in /etc/network/interfaces I have apart from the static configuration of the eth0 iface a line at the and of the file which goes like this "up route add -net 10.1.1.0/24 gw 10.1.1.1 dev eth0" . I've now tried to sum up what I think the line means and why it is not needed several times, but in the end had to concede that I'm mostly guessing. Could someone tell me what it means and whether it is
1929 [16:02:56] <rtur> required ? (e.g. eth0 ip is 10.1.1.20, gw 10.1.1.1, mast 255.255.255.0 )
1930 [16:02:56] <CrazyTux> klys, Debian is not for beginners and for those switching from Windows?
1931 [16:02:59] <Upoufou> guoruei hello ?
1932 [16:03:12] <guoruei> Upoufou: hi
1933 [16:03:22] <rtur> mast/mask
1934 [16:03:31] <mtn> klys, a ton of difference. anyway, don't tell newbies not to use synaptic. it works fine
1935 [16:03:32] <Upoufou> guoruei i add the ligne the user is the name name@root : ?
1936 [16:03:52] <Upoufou> guoruei is the name for add the line ?
1937 [16:03:55] <mtn> CrazyTux, debian is as easy to use as most linux distros
1938 [16:04:00] <guoruei> u can see my screen
1939 [16:04:17] <klys> crazytux, gui options are not for beinners switching from windows, except your chosen desktop ehich you should get the heaven away from and start using the commandline immediately.
1940 [16:04:24] <Upoufou> guoruei yes
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1945 [16:04:59] <mtn> klys, you must be kidding. windows users going to the command line first? yikes!
1946 [16:05:03] <guoruei> Upoufou: have u see it ?
1947 [16:05:14] <mtn> CrazyTux, kyls is just trolling you.
1948 [16:05:18] <klys> mtn, i didn't say first
1949 [16:05:24] <Upoufou> guoruei yes
1950 [16:05:24] <guoruei> i show u how too add a user to visudo
1951 [16:05:34] <guoruei> Upoufou: i show u how too add a user to visudo
1952 [16:05:39] <Upoufou> guoruei yes i know i added the line
1953 [16:05:49] <guoruei> so this user can use sudo
1954 [16:06:02] <Upoufou> guoruei but for name nong i add the user name ?
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1957 [16:06:10] <Upoufou> or the user root
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1960 [16:06:34] <guoruei> yes...nong is my,,if you name is aaa,so go aaa in line
1961 [16:06:50] <CrazyTux> MX Linux and Sparky make Debian easier to install and use.
1962 [16:06:51] <Upoufou> ok
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1964 [16:06:57] <guoruei> or you name is bbb,so go bbb
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1972 [16:07:57] <Upoufou> guoruei done
1973 [16:08:04] <dulipa> LMDE (Linux Mint Debian Edition) is also cool
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1975 [16:08:19] <guoruei> dulipa: yes, quit root
1976 [16:08:23] <guoruei> exit
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1980 [16:08:43] <guoruei> try
1981 [16:08:44] <guoruei> sudo apt update
1982 [16:08:58] <guoruei> so u can check you sudo work
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1984 [16:09:06] <guoruei> or not
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1986 [16:09:22] <klys> rtur, the command " route add -net 10.1.1.0/24 gw 10.1.1.1 dev eth0" doesn't make that much sense to me since the gw address is on the subnet you're routing for
1987 [16:09:24] <dulipa> ok guoruei ^^
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1990 [16:09:48] <rtur> klys: Thank you, that was my guess also.
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1992 [16:09:55] <Upoufou> guoruei done yes sudo done
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1994 [16:10:18] <hellyeah> there is no latex-beamer package
1995 [16:10:24] <hellyeah> i am confused
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1997 [16:10:32] <guoruei> Upoufou: now you can
1998 [16:10:32] <guoruei> sudo ifconfig
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2000 [16:10:48] <Upoufou> yes i now sudo
2001 [16:10:57] <klys> hellyeah, are you installing texlive or latex for docbook?
2002 [16:11:16] <guoruei> Upoufou: sudo nano /etc/network/interfaces
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2004 [16:11:36] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
2005 [16:11:39] <inquy_> Bonjour à tous
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2007 [16:11:48] <inquy_> oh Well Hello all
2008 [16:11:51] <Upoufou> salut
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2010 [16:12:04] <inquy_> Ah si quelques français :D
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2012 [16:12:48] <Upoufou> oui français comme le 11 novembre lol
2013 [16:13:01] <inquy_> Haha !
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2016 [16:13:12] <inquy_> Belle jounrée pour être sur les IRC
2017 [16:13:13] <Upoufou> guoruei so i modify interface files also
2018 [16:13:25] <hellyeah> klys: not sure i just want to make presentation
2019 [16:13:26] <Upoufou> guoruei but no bug after with network manager or other ?
2020 [16:13:34] <Upoufou> on peut dire ça lol
2021 [16:13:54] <OtakuSenpai> /dev/sdd1 2048 7837695 7835648 3.8G b W95 FAT32
2022 [16:13:58] <klys> hellyeah, then you might be installing docbook. have you thought about installing openoffice or libreoffice?
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2024 [16:14:05] <OtakuSenpai> does this mean the disk is fat32
2025 [16:14:19] <inquy_> II search into the web but i didn't find answer, wich packet manager i have to use (apt-get,aptitude or apt) ?
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2028 [16:14:44] <OtakuSenpai> inquy_: apt or apt-get or aptitude
2029 [16:14:47] <guoruei> try cp one backup went u try ...
2030 [16:14:47] <guoruei> sudo cp /etc/network/interfaces /etc/network/interfaces-backup
2031 [16:14:49] <OtakuSenpai> any will do
2032 [16:14:52] <hellyeah> i have libreoffice klys
2033 [16:15:02] <inquy_> haha :
2034 [16:15:03] <klys> otakusenpai, it should. if it's wrong then you can tell with mount | grep sdd1
2035 [16:15:19] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
2036 [16:15:36] <OtakuSenpai> klys: how do i check filesystem type of a disk
2037 [16:15:38] <inquy_> ther no issue wheni use one and next day une another ?
2038 [16:15:42] <klys> hellyeah, is there a reason you need a better presentation tool? is docbook something that you want?
2039 [16:15:48] <Upoufou> guoruei done
2040 [16:15:51] <OtakuSenpai> inquy_: no
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2042 [16:16:17] <guoruei> If it fails. Change back.
2043 [16:16:21] <inquy_> Sounds good. as i remeber when aptitude goes on and i use apt-get i had some issue
2044 [16:16:28] <Upoufou> c'ets moi ou ça bug a fond inguy_ ?
2045 [16:16:49] <klys> otakusenpai, mount it and check the output of mount, /etc/motd, or /proc/mounts
2046 [16:16:50] <Upoufou> guoruei or i delete network manager ?
2047 [16:16:52] <inquy_> Qu'est-ce qui bug ? L'utilisationd e plusieur packet manager ?
2048 [16:17:00] <Upoufou> guoruei ok see that after
2049 [16:17:03] <guoruei> Upoufou: can not
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2051 [16:17:15] <Upoufou> nan le kiwi la sa lag a fond inguy_ ?
2052 [16:17:23] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
2053 [16:17:41] <guoruei> network manager can not edit /etc/network/interfaces
2054 [16:17:57] <Upoufou> guoruei i know that
2055 [16:18:04] <Upoufou> guoruei because is resolv.conf
2056 [16:18:08] <inquy_> Je ne sais pas de quoi tu parles
2057 [16:18:11] <guoruei> ye
2058 [16:18:13] <Upoufou> guoruei or nm didn't know lol
2059 [16:18:14] <inquy_> Quelle kiwi ? Wiki ?
2060 [16:18:26] <Upoufou> nan la le tchat lol
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2062 [16:18:53] <inquy_> Ah mdr !
2063 [16:18:56] <inquy_> Non ca va moi
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2067 [16:19:11] <inquy_> T'utilise quoi pour y accéder ?
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2070 [16:20:24] <Upoufou> guoruei so the better option with debian is use resolv.conf ?
2071 [16:20:47] <Upoufou> inquy_ kiwi la sa lag mais abusé j'ai l'impression de me faire pinger par tout le chan xD
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2076 [16:21:43] <guoruei> Upoufou: edit /etc/network/interfaces is pro debian user option
2077 [16:21:53] <guoruei> for network
2078 [16:22:02] <Upoufou> guoruei ok thank for tha way so
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2083 [16:22:31] <Upoufou> guoruei so i do change this files
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2087 [16:23:29] <asacbart> uss indianapolis
2088 [16:23:48] <guoruei> Upoufou: you wifi is not wlan0
2089 [16:23:48] <guoruei> is wlp4s0
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2091 [16:24:12] <Upoufou> guoruei yes
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2093 [16:24:42] <guoruei> so go wlp4s0
2094 [16:24:54] <guoruei> went wlan0
2095 [16:25:10] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
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2097 [16:25:33] <lovelyday11thnov> Hello CrazyEddy
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2099 [16:26:05] <Upoufou> guoruei ok so i add line what the line is in you're logfile ?
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2103 [16:27:35] <guoruei> Upoufou: we can google it
2104 [16:27:35] <guoruei> debian interfaces wifi
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2108 [16:29:42] <Upoufou> guoruei ok
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2113 [16:34:47] <Upoufou> replaced-url
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2115 [16:35:02] <Upoufou> sorry its static
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2117 [16:35:17] <guoruei> Upoufou: ye
2118 [16:35:27] <Upoufou> replaced-url
2119 [16:35:30] <Upoufou> ok i try
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2122 [16:36:16] <guoruei> wpa-ssid "wlan3.guoruei.net"
2123 [16:36:17] <guoruei> wpa-psk "------"
2124 [16:36:17] <guoruei> is my ,,,so go you
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2126 [16:36:27] <Upoufou> yeap
2127 [16:36:35] <guoruei> and wlan0 is my...you is wlp4s0
2128 [16:36:42] <Upoufou> my ssid, and my clef like 4DFdFG45
2129 [16:36:46] <Upoufou> yeap
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2132 [16:37:57] <UH6424> how do i set my sources.list to allow weak sources? where do I add the allow-weak option?
2133 [16:38:17] <guoruei> Upoufou: config base your router
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2136 [16:38:51] <guoruei> wpa-scan-ssid 1
2137 [16:38:51] <guoruei> wpa-ap-scan 1
2138 [16:38:51] <guoruei> wpa-key-mgmt WPA-PSK
2139 [16:38:51] <guoruei> wpa-proto RSN WPA
2140 [16:38:52] <guoruei> wpa-pairwise CCMP TKIP
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2142 [16:39:01] <lovelyday11thnov> erf
2143 [16:39:09] <lovelyday11thnov> hard
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2146 [16:40:03] <Upoufou> ok
2147 [16:40:28] <Upoufou> wpa-swan-ssid 1 ? is the channel
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2154 [16:44:45] <Upoufou> replaced-url
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2157 [16:45:07] <Upoufou> and for this netmask 255.255.255.0
2158 [16:45:07] <Upoufou> gateway 192.168.2.1
2159 [16:45:07] <Upoufou> address 192.168.2.15
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2175 [16:53:20] <Upoufou> guoruei ok thank and after ? replaced-url
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2207 [17:08:59] <FancyHurricane> hi all, do you know where (what channel) I could ask a question about network hardware buying?
2208 [17:09:31] <SirLagz> FancyHurricane: ##networking?
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2211 [17:10:03] <FancyHurricane> SirLagz: good call, ty
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2260 [17:50:59] <jhutchins> #hardware exists.
2261 [17:51:06] <jhutchins> Probably ##
2262 [17:51:29] <jhutchins> FancyHurricane: You're not too far off topic here.
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2267 [17:53:44] <lovelyday11thnov> I have a gnome 3 with dark theme
2268 [17:53:58] <lovelyday11thnov> adwaita-dark
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2271 [17:54:45] <lovelyday11thnov> When I activate this, my text fields are black ant police text too. i currently write in blinding mode :-)
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2274 [17:54:50] <lovelyday11thnov> thats normal ?
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2286 [18:03:06] <SirLagz> bah...don't have the cramfs module compiled. Time to compile it
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2301 [18:12:19] <teraflops> lovelyday11thnov: hmm, where? anywhere or just in lets say firefox?
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2356 [18:39:40] <LtL> teraflops: the black input fields while browsing happen to me in firefox using adwaita-dark also. The odd part is that not all websites do this. i'm using firefox 52.0.2
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2358 [18:41:30] <LtL> teraflops: google for example loads as a black input field then quickly goes to white so you can se what you type, some websites stay black. the only 'fix' i've found is switching to plain adwaita theme temporarily.
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2365 [18:45:46] <Upoufou> Beback
2366 [18:46:12] <Upoufou> lool i have tested option with resolv.conf and nothing
2367 [18:46:20] <Upoufou> and no resolv problem
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2376 [18:51:00] <LtL> teraflops: by the way, same thing happens using icesweasel/esr with adwaita-dark theme
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2389 [18:54:22] <Upoufou> any can help ?
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2407 [18:59:03] <throwthecheese> Umm... how do I rip a hard drive into an ISO file?
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2410 [19:01:48] <teraflops> LtL: yeah blame firefox I think
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2413 [19:03:50] <teraflops> throwthecheese: it looks like an !xy question, mind explaining your real issue (if any)?
2414 [19:04:13] <throwthecheese> I want to create an ISO image from the contents of a hard drive
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2416 [19:04:29] <teraflops> throwthecheese: why iso?
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2418 [19:05:17] <teraflops> anyway go use a dvd burn utility then I guess
2419 [19:05:19] <babilen> .oO( cp /path/to/disk foo.iso )
2420 [19:05:56] <teraflops> eh but what will file foo.iso say :P
2421 [19:06:17] <throwthecheese> I created an image from that hard drive with dd
2422 [19:06:18] <teraflops> throwthecheese: e.t brasero or whatever, tell it to save to iso file
2423 [19:06:26] <teraflops> e.g^
2424 [19:06:31] <babilen> Probably "I need a 9660 filesystem" :)
2425 [19:06:39] <teraflops> :D
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2438 [19:12:05] <throwthecheese> I'm trying to extract data from a balky hard drive
2439 [19:12:08] <acald3ron> USB problem: replaced-url
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2442 [19:12:37] <throwthecheese> I need an ISO file because most archiver programs support it
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2447 [19:14:35] <teraflops> they support zip too
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2450 [19:14:51] <msiism> throwthecheese: i thing gddrescue should do the rick
2451 [19:15:09] <blackflow> Hello. Upgraded a Jessie VM to Stretch. Upon reboot, I'm getting initramfs errors about no mdadm arrays found (in /scripts/local-block). I've googled for it, but found nothing relevant, only one ubuntu bug report with no much help.
2452 [19:15:12] <teraflops> even windows handles zip without 3rd party software
2453 [19:15:18] <msiism> throwthecheese: trick, i mean
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2456 [19:15:34] <blackflow> The server eventually boots, but only after repeating that error for several times
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2459 [19:16:09] <blackflow> so how can I fix this or disable mdadm detection in initramfs, it's a single disk VM.
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2479 [19:29:30] <throwthecheese> TY for the tip!
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2489 [19:32:53] <v0idpwn> Hello. I recently installed debian, ath10k drivers and also NetworkManager. Now I can connect to WiFi, but my internet doesnt work. It works when I'm connected using cable.
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2491 [19:33:03] <anisfarhana> Hello everyone!
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2493 [19:33:32] <magic_cookie> Just realized there no more alsa-base in testing. How do I fix my sound? MMM?!
2494 [19:34:03] <anisfarhana> Can anyone do me a favor by pasting default configuration /etc/systcl.conf for Debian 8? You may use any preferable pastebin for it.
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2503 [19:36:30] <n4dir> a) is debian 8 jessie? and b) i looked at that one, everything is commented out anyway?
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2506 [19:36:59] <n4dir> replaced-url
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2508 [19:37:13] <n4dir> don't take my word for it. If someone else has one to offer, take that one
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2510 [19:37:28] <n4dir> anisfarhana: ^^
2511 [19:37:36] <annadane> debian 8 *is* jessie.
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2517 [19:39:34] <n4dir> you could always do a quick debootstrap installation to get a default config file, of course ...
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2526 [19:43:43] <anisfarhana> n4dir: You pasting isn't complete but yeah, thanks a lot for the answer!
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2529 [19:45:40] <n4dir> that's what i have got. I pasted everything. Well: perhaps wait for someone else.
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2538 [19:47:20] <anisfarhana> n4dir: Never mind, i already got it :)
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2540 [19:47:45] <n4dir> good :-)
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2599 [20:02:53] <msiism> does anyone have a standard sources list from a debian jessie install available?
2600 [20:04:34] <elios> msiism: replaced-url
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2609 [20:07:41] <msiism> elios: thanks. let's see if that answers my question.
2610 [20:08:06] <elios> uh
2611 [20:08:38] <elios> msiism: it generates a sources list, pick your mirror dist and region if you want
2612 [20:09:10] <elios> s/dist/release
2613 [20:09:18] <msiism> elios: i'm especially looking for wht the standard jessie sources list created by the debian installer says in the "headline"/comment before the security repo.
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2616 [20:10:18] <elios> msiism: shall i click it for you?
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2621 [20:12:23] <elios> MichaelSasser: choose a mirror near you, then the release which you said is jessie (CLICK THAT) then remove everything but security and updates.
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2624 [20:12:52] <msiism> elios: what i want to know is, does it say "# jessie-security, previously known as 'volatile'" in a standard jessie sources.list. because that would, afaik, not be correct because security is not a successor of volatile. that would be jessie-updates.
2625 [20:13:24] <elios> MichaelSasser: (ooops) sorry
2626 [20:14:02] <elios> msiism: it can't be any easier even for you.
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2628 [20:14:32] <elios> msiism: choose a mirror near you, then the release which you said is jessie (CLICK THAT) then remove everything but security and updates.
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2632 [20:17:24] <msiism> elios: i think you're really misunderstanding my question. i'll just install debian jessie on an old laptop now to get the info.
2633 [20:17:36] <elios> lol
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2635 [20:18:11] <elios> you want the 'CD' part, why?
2636 [20:19:23] <msiism> elios: because i want to find an error in the comment that comes before the security repos apt line. i am however not sure, if the error is original to debian or came from the distro i use.
2637 [20:19:33] <elios> msiism: get lost
2638 [20:19:36] <msiism> elios: and i do not want the cd part, btw.
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2642 [20:20:36] <msiism> elios: i think you should cool it a little. the misunderstanding and using caps didn't come from my side. thanks.
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2650 [20:23:56] <Jerry> Hi, all. Can anyone recommend a good tutorial for the dash shell? I can find several for bash, but not dash.
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2662 [20:27:32] <n4dir> Are you looking for the differences ?
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2667 [20:27:56] <n4dir> man dash spits out quite a bit, but sure, it isn't a tutorial.
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2676 [20:29:34] <Jerry> No, I'm looking for a dash tutorial. I've done some basic scripting but need to do some more complicated things.
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2678 [20:29:57] <n4dir> anyway: bottom of this page, which describes a few of the bashisms, you will find a few further lists: replaced-url
2679 [20:30:16] <Jerry> I don't have much experience with any Linux scriptng - but 50 years of programming experience.
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2682 [20:30:50] <v0idpwn> clear
2683 [20:30:54] <v0idpwn> sry xd
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2685 [20:31:12] <n4dir> don't take my word for it: imho dash (as a rather posix like script) has got the lack of the listed "bashisms", but else you will follow a very similar approach
2686 [20:31:23] <Jerry> I've looked at the man page but it doesn't help that much. Mainly it's the syntax I need.
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2688 [20:31:50] <n4dir> to make this short: ask in the #bash channel. good luck.
2689 [20:32:04] <Jerry> OK, thanks for the lead. I appreciate that.
2690 [20:32:40] <n4dir> i tried to write posix like scripts (in a very easy manner). I got away with the usual bash way, but only had to get rid of the bashisms .
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2694 [20:33:07] <n4dir> the lack of arrays is a tough one ... or can be.
2695 [20:33:43] <Jerry> No need for arrays - just simple things but I'm fighting a lack of knowledge of the syntatical elements
2696 [20:33:49] <Jerry> BTW - are you un Suffolk?
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2698 [20:34:14] <n4dir> if you mean me: i don't even understand the question :-)
2699 [20:34:19] * `levi evening
2700 [20:34:44] <Jerry> I mean are you in Suffolk? Can't type worth a darn today :)
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2702 [20:35:06] <n4dir> Jerry: the #bash bot called #greybot will most of the time give you syntax tricks. Then compare it with bashisms, then you should be good. (should be !)
2703 [20:35:27] <n4dir> also try shellcheck.net. It will point out common errors.
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2706 [20:36:00] <Jerry> OK, thanks again.
2707 [20:36:08] <n4dir> i think debian has also the app "checkbashisms" (but i am not sure if it is good ...)
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2709 [20:37:02] <Jerry> That would be good if I could get that far. Still need to figure out the basic syntax.
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2715 [20:38:42] <n4dir> shellhaters claim that it is hard for programmers to understand bash, as it is quite chaotic compared to programming languages. I can't say anything about that, but consider it funny. Perhaps watch the video, at least it is funny :-)
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2718 [20:39:57] <n4dir> the channel #bash advises against most tutorials you will find online. It has a list of recommended ones in it's channel topic (in short: mywiki.wooledge.org and bash-hackers - or such)
2719 [20:40:11] <Jerry> I can't say if it's chaotic or not yet - don't know enough :) About all I've done before is series of commands.
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2721 [20:41:03] <n4dir> Got you. As a last word, let me stress it again: i gave a few infos i ran into, they might help, but i am really not in the subject (that is: i might well give wrong info). ask in bash
2722 [20:41:15] <Jerry> But now I need to get into loops, branching and similar - even functions to make things shorter.
2723 [20:41:34] <Jerry> Will do, and again, thanks much for the pointer.
2724 [20:41:59] <n4dir> for example: /msg greybot loops ; will give me a quick link for the loops stuff.
2725 [20:42:21] <n4dir> Yeah, enough now. Good luck, have fun :-)
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2857 [21:52:16] <ZSky> It seems that port 3456 is closed by default?
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2865 [21:55:26] <TRS-80> should I report crash/segfault in kscreen_backend to Debian or KDE?
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2867 [21:58:52] <rozie> try both
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2870 [21:59:10] <rozie> if we don't know the details we cannot tell
2871 [21:59:50] <TRS-80> rozie seems wrong, like cross posting, but I don't know anything (first bug report) so maybe I should listeen to you lol
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2878 [22:01:20] <rozie> if you are pretty sure it is upstream's fault, tag with upstream
2879 [22:01:48] <n4dir> I think if it is a bug in debian, than the developer/maintainer is supposed to report it to upstream too (assuming he can confirm it). I would go for debian
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2881 [22:03:26] <teraflops> n4dir: hmm
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2883 [22:04:03] <n4dir> teraflops: from the top of my head. I statet an opinion. Might well be that is nonsense.
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2885 [22:04:10] <teraflops> a downstream distro reporting bugs upstream … sometimes it ends in drama
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2888 [22:04:20] <n4dir> ha. good point.
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2892 [22:06:01] <n4dir> most of the time i assume it is an error on my side, and i don't report bugs at all.
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2894 [22:07:13] <TRS-80> n4dir I thought that at first too, and generally agree, but after some research this seems to have been affecting others for some time
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2896 [22:07:51] <n4dir> yeah, sure. Thats how i do it too: if others confirm, then i go for it
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2926 [22:21:21] <deface> hi all
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2930 [22:23:07] <deface> ls
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2935 [22:24:59] <RoyK> deface: hi
2936 [22:25:02] <RoyK> ls -l
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2942 [22:28:31] <`levi> hi deface
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2945 [22:31:19] <teraflops> !ls
2946 [22:31:19] <dpkg> CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1
2947 [22:31:22] <teraflops> :P
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2971 [22:42:11] <brick> where should i put a script that should run whenever the laptop affiliates with a new wifi network?
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2975 [22:44:16] <Perdouille> Hello ! I need help with my Debian. I was on stretch, and decided to install unstable. It installed correctly but a lot of packages were on the autoremove list. I didn't think and did apt autoremove. I managed to get most of my system back, I just have a little problem now: When I start a program with optirun, I get this : replaced-url
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2977 [22:44:45] <annadane> !debian-next
2978 [22:44:45] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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2980 [22:45:01] <Perdouille> Thanks annadane
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2987 [22:49:05] <mindcrimes> for some reason no matter what I do I cant get this ipv6 config to work
2988 [22:49:12] <mindcrimes> pastebinning it rn
2989 [22:49:28] <_Sh4d0w_> hi all
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2992 [22:50:02] <mindcrimes> replaced-url
2993 [22:50:21] <mindcrimes> whenever I try to ping an ipv6 address I get From 2604:4300:a:260::2 icmp_seq=1 Destination unreachable: Address unreachable
2994 [22:50:48] <_Sh4d0w_> who can help me to install samba PDC with LDAP and configure rouming profiles
2995 [22:52:02] <Dagger> mindcrimes: I can't reach 2604:4300:a:260::1 either. it's possible your provider is broken
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2998 [22:52:09] <mindcrimes> hmm
2999 [22:52:13] <mindcrimes> ill let them know, thanks
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3001 [22:52:38] <Dagger> traceroute dies at 9 wholesale-internet-inc.10gigabitethernet1-3.core1.mci2.he.net (2001:470:1:252::2) 142.802 ms 142.772 ms 142.726 ms
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3016 [22:58:57] <mindcrimes> woo they fixed it I think
3017 [22:59:37] <mindcrimes> thanks for all the help Dagger
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3038 [23:11:49] <Johnjay> is there any advantage to having debian stable?
3039 [23:11:56] <Johnjay> like is it required to build packages for distros?
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3046 [23:14:13] <tiwake> for debian, does a 2-bit ECC memory error result in the kernel panicking? or does it kill the process that was affected? or what?
3047 [23:14:54] <tiwake> I tried looking around for such ECC memory error handing that is typical, including debian and redhat, but could not find much information from general searches
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3055 [23:19:05] <JPT> tiwake: My knowledge may be ancient or wrong, but if the hardware is unable to correct an error using ecc, the machine will be halted (afaik).
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3058 [23:20:15] <tiwake> JPT: well, there are long standing arguments over how server should operate with the release of AMD's ryzen processors and their support for ECC memory
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3060 [23:20:59] <tiwake> "the computer did not shut down! the two bit error did not make the computer shut down! ECC memory is not doing what it should be doing!" blah blah
3061 [23:21:22] <tiwake> JPT: replaced-url
3062 [23:21:41] <tiwake> and the form thread for that article replaced-url
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3066 [23:23:22] <tiwake> tl;dr there are a lot of people saying ECC memory does not work because the memory does not raise a kernel panic for any given two bit error
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3069 [23:24:50] <JPT> I can tell my opinion about that question: All you should do when detecting an uncorrectable error is halt the system. There is no way that you can guarantee that the operating system can handle it and everything will be fine. There is a chance that things can go crazy. Especially in a critical environment this is not acceptable.
3070 [23:25:09] <yomm> not so long ago 'errors' were corrected with a leather belt =)
3071 [23:25:36] <JPT> I mean - it might be okay to just "try it and see" on a gamer pc. But if you're a flight computer, car computer, breathing machine or other critical equipment, there needs to be a safe way to fail.
3072 [23:25:50] <JPT> :D
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3075 [23:26:13] <yomm> i agree
3076 [23:26:20] <NoxiousPluK> tbh systems like that should be redundant and hand over to the other core while they reset themselves
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3078 [23:26:58] <yomm> redundancy is the key, there is no guarantee otherwise
3079 [23:27:26] <JPT> Sure, that, too.
3080 [23:27:46] <tiwake> from what I've read, it depends a bit on the distro, as well as the hardware... but if the two bit uncorrectable error happens to a program it stops the program, if it happens to the kernel it kernel panics and maybe shuts down, if it happens to unused memory the even is logged but nothing happens
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3082 [23:27:56] <JPT> But even for a "gamer pc" which is not cirtical - there can still be data loss
3083 [23:27:59] <tiwake> thats why I'm asking about debian
3084 [23:28:09] <tiwake> and what is normal behavior
3085 [23:28:18] <JPT> Okay, let's see if that's something they documented
3086 [23:29:00] <tiwake> when I get my next desktop I would be glad to test this... heh..
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3088 [23:29:31] <JPT> replaced-url
3089 [23:30:00] <NoxiousPluK> tbh someone I know has 256GB RAM in his desktop and doesn't use ECC because of the price
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3091 [23:30:19] <NoxiousPluK> he says he barely logs errors but the 1TB RAM systems at his work usually log 1-2 a day
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3093 [23:30:22] <NoxiousPluK> they use ECC tho
3094 [23:30:47] <NoxiousPluK> I know zero details about stuff like this tho so just relaying what I heard
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3097 [23:31:52] <tiwake> JPT: does panic_on_unrecovered_nmi partane to kernel memory?
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3099 [23:32:07] <JPT> "Modern computer architectures typically use NMIs to handle non-recoverable errors which need immediate attention. Therefore, such interrupts should not be masked in the normal operation of the system. These errors include non-recoverable internal system chipset errors, corruption in system memory such as parity and ECC errors, and data corruption detected on system and peripheral buses." (from: replaced-url
3100 [23:32:23] <MasZter> /msg NickServ CERT ADD help
3101 [23:32:30] <MasZter> /msg NickServ CERT ADD
3102 [23:32:44] <JPT> I expect an unrecovered nmi if ecc detects errors
3103 [23:32:51] <NoxiousPluK> MasZter: I think you accidentially a space
3104 [23:33:01] <MasZter> tnx
3105 [23:33:05] <NoxiousPluK> :)
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3107 [23:33:40] <tiwake> hmm
3108 [23:34:08] <JPT> So you don't even know what memory region is affected (yet) - perhaps you can get some details through the NMI.
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3111 [23:34:38] <JPT> If you do a sysctl -a | grep nmi, you can see most (all?) related kernel settings in that regard.
3112 [23:35:02] <tiwake> JPT: "The default Linux behaviour on an NMI of either memory or unknown is to continue operation."
3113 [23:35:35] <JPT> Depending on your distribution, something else may be configured. So that's why checking your sysctl is a good idea to make sure what's set. :)
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3116 [23:35:47] <tiwake> JPT: if you scroll down the linked text file to the summary of 'panic_on_unrecovered_nmi'
3117 [23:36:30] <tiwake> JPT: how would I check this?
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3122 [23:37:09] <JPT> On my arch linux laptop, sysctl -a | grep nmi returns kernel.panic_on_unrecovered_nmi = 0, so that's the default.
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3124 [23:37:24] <JPT> If it's set to 1, i expect a panic
3125 [23:38:06] <tiwake> I get the same
3126 [23:38:08] <tiwake> hmm
3127 [23:38:12] <tiwake> debian buster
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3130 [23:38:36] <JPT> (sysctl is just a tool to talk to the kernel on /proc/sys/)
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3132 [23:39:15] <JPT> I guess enabling that option is the users job since it really depends on the hardware if that's a good idea
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3139 [23:40:11] <NoxiousPluK> same here on 9.2 (stretch)
3140 [23:41:07] <tiwake> alright
3141 [23:41:17] <tiwake> this tells me a lot, thanks :3
3142 [23:41:22] <JPT> Sure thing :)
3143 [23:41:50] <JPT> Also, if you're curious: Keep exploring sysctl options from time to time. There's lots of interesting things around.
3144 [23:42:09] <JPT> Today, i learned about ecc and nmi options.
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3150 [23:45:13] <tiwake> JPT: I don't know if this means anything to our discussion... replaced-url
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3155 [23:48:04] <XLV> tiwake, so it generates a SIGBUS at least
3156 [23:48:15] <XLV> unless you have it in testing mode where it just logs it
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3159 [23:49:40] <JPT> tiwake: Looks interesting. I guess that's more details that i did not know about.
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