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3 [00:01:13] <v0idpwn> Just copied a firmware file I found and I'm getting way less errors but still getting some ath10k related firmware errors
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5 [00:02:29] <annadane> v0idpwn, sorry. i don't know why that's happening, very strange
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40 [00:22:08] <v0idpwn> annadane: thanks for ur help
41 [00:22:36] <annadane> v0idpwn, you're welcome. if nobody here answers, you can try the mailing list debian-user@lists.debian.org
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45 [00:23:35] <v0idpwn> If I dont solve it today I will. :)
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56 [00:28:12] <Sveta> v0idpwn: it's useful to include the error messages that you have at present
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62 [00:31:44] <annadane> ^ also that
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64 [00:32:13] <v0idpwn> imgur.com/a/I4OLw
65 [00:32:19] <v0idpwn> Sorry for using image instead of text
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67 [00:32:22] <v0idpwn> As I said, fresh install
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73 [00:36:38] <annadane> ahh i3 :)
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75 [00:36:53] <Paul--> hello
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96 [00:44:47] <v0idpwn> any idea?
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160 [01:21:40] <Paul--> hello
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162 [01:22:00] <Paul--> exim save sended mails ?
163 [01:22:27] <somiaj> not by default. How are you sending these emails you want exim to save?
164 [01:23:26] <somiaj> replaced-url
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180 [01:34:28] <Paul--> somiaj, ok, but where put the script in your link ?
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188 [01:37:44] <somiaj> you can probably put the script you pipe it to anywhere you want.
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195 [01:41:21] <Paul--> that is a exim script, not a bash script
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198 [01:42:05] <somiaj> I think it can be any script you have set up to accept input from stdin (since it is a pipe). I'm not sure on the detials
199 [01:42:26] <somiaj> I just found that link via google.
200 [01:43:13] <Paul--> ok, so aren't you a exim expert
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204 [01:43:58] <somiaj> You may find that a channel or mailing list for exim support maybe able to provide you more detailed info than one that covers just debian.
205 [01:44:18] <somiaj> I only know the basics of exim, but it appears you can get what you want by using that and testing it out
206 [01:45:46] <Paul--> ok
207 [01:45:48] <Paul--> thx
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278 [02:30:06] <simonpatapon> i would like to have help gdm wont start anymore, I can only ssh even ctrl-f2 etc dont work to change console
279 [02:30:09] <simonpatapon> replaced-url
280 [02:30:38] <simonpatapon> thank you
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317 [03:00:46] <OtakuSenpai> guys name a gui archive manager
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319 [03:00:50] <OtakuSenpai> pls
320 [03:01:14] <Epakai> OtakuSenpai: file-roller
321 [03:01:21] <OtakuSenpai> thnx
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336 [03:05:34] <foul_owl> I know auxillary programs are supposed to be installed in /opt. Should I prefer to run them as root or a dummy user? (for example, in this case, a game server, zandronum) is the preference to chown dummyuser: /opt/zandronum ? Just trying to get perms correct. Thanks!
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339 [03:06:13] <strk> any way to get /dev/stdout during `dpkg-buildpackage` ?
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361 [03:19:31] <strk> I do have it on one system but not on another
362 [03:19:41] <strk> dpkg-buildpackage -b -us -uc # more specifically
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454 [04:45:38] <rojuinex> On Stretch how can I completely remove the OSS radeon drivers?
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456 [04:46:00] <Sveta> does `apt purge *radeon*` do it
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458 [04:47:39] <rojuinex> mm nope
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460 [04:48:06] <rojuinex> Before I installed them I may not have had full screen resolution but at least my screen didnt' flicker everytime I ran a command
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467 [04:51:26] <rojuinex> Man I guess I'm going to downgrade so I can use Catalyst drivers :(
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508 [05:13:15] <simonpatapon> hi
509 [05:13:17] <simonpatapon> i would like to have help gdm wont start anymore, I can only ssh even ctrl-f2 etc dont work to change console
510 [05:13:22] <simonpatapon> replaced-url
511 [05:13:25] <simonpatapon> thank you
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566 [06:06:40] <SkullTheory> does anyone know how to stop courier from trying to send emails to external domains? I had a bad configuration, and it made emails bounce, and it's still trying to send those back out across the internet.
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573 [06:13:58] <zackbrown> Hi folks! After a recent upgrade, Debian's gnome-control-center stopped working. It runs, but the it doesn't display any config icons, and the keyboard shortcuts don't do anything either. I use gnome with FVWM, so I don't use the default desktop. I figure the breakage is probably just due to gnome-control-center having tighter integration with the Gnome default desktop.
574 [06:14:13] <zackbrown> Are there alternatives to gnome-control-center that might work instead?
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597 [06:34:31] <zackbrown> or just a graphical tool for adjusting network controls, and another for sound?
598 [06:35:02] <zackbrown> I've always just used gnome-control-center, but I've always known that the gnome folks view their system as fully integrated, and don't welcome mixing and matching.
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611 [06:47:11] <Nicolas> Hi ;)
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613 [06:48:09] <Nicolas> I would like to know could someone help me with my problems please?
614 [06:49:00] <annadane> Nicolas, sure, just ask
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616 [06:49:52] <Nicolas> It would be very nice;) I'm sorry in advance for my English, I'm French not very English :D
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618 [06:51:02] <Nicolas> Before I was on Archlinux, but it worked very well, Since my move to Debian are no longer working, I installed the new version of Debian is 9.2.1,
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622 [06:55:17] <annadane> Nicolas, okay, what specifically isn't working?
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624 [06:55:25] <annadane> there's a french channel, if you prefer
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626 [06:56:00] <Nicolas> I have no sound coming out of my headphones :/
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630 [06:58:09] <annadane> hm. i don't know how to begin to diagnose that, it could be any of a number of problems, perhaps some else has a better idea
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633 [06:59:39] <annadane> someone else*
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636 [07:00:28] <annadane> Nicolas, what does pactl list and aplay -l say? paste.debian.net
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638 [07:01:02] <Nicolas> 2 minutes :0
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641 [07:04:00] <Nicolas> annadane replaced-url
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646 [07:05:20] <annadane> !localized errors
647 [07:05:20] <dpkg> To provide command output in English instead of your native language, set your locale to an English one (e.g. C) prior to running the command, e.g. "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install".
648 [07:05:45] <annadane> Nicolas, ^ "LC_ALL=C pactl list" "LC_ALL=C aplay -l"
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650 [07:06:28] <zerothis> I'm attempting to install Debian Woody with the 2.4 kernel. "No hard disk drives were detected" and "No network interfaces were found". Where would I find the floppy images for 3.0?
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657 [07:10:15] <Nicolas> The site does not work anymore when I paste the files in
658 [07:10:26] <Nicolas> You have not another site?
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660 [07:11:20] <LiuYan> maybe try `aplay -l | pastebin`?
661 [07:11:34] <Nicolas> annadane replaced-url
662 [07:12:01] <annadane> yeah, that isn't readable
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664 [07:12:43] <Nicolas> replaced-url
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666 [07:13:16] <annadane> okay, that is
667 [07:13:33] <annadane> for pactl list you can probably use termbin; "LC_ALL=C pactl list | nc termbin.com 9999"
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670 [07:18:11] <towo^work> zerothis, and the floppy images would help here what?
671 [07:18:30] <LiuYan> Nicolas: pulseaudio seems doesnt 'see' sound card, not sure why ...
672 [07:18:35] <towo^work> zerothis, and what hardware you want to use with that obsolete debian version?
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677 [07:21:25] <Nicolas> anadane Do I have to write it to a file? Yes yes I am a real noob: D
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682 [07:23:37] <annadane> Nicolas, what i gave you will automatically put it on termbin.com, just provide us with the URL
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684 [07:24:05] <annadane> Nicolas, also, to highlight me, try using tab completion. ann<tab>
685 [07:24:06] <Nicolas> Ok
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695 [07:28:19] <zerothis> towo^work: the installer from the cd-rom tells me to "preload modules from floppies" (after failing to find the harddrve). My goal is to run a commercial software that was made 1995 for kernel 1.2 (I think, the docs helpfully say "It's for Linux, it's cool, get it"). I'm installing to a virtual system. I ran the software on Debian 1.3.1 virtual. Now I'm trying to work my way to the newest kernel I can.
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700 [07:29:58] <Nicolas> Does not work on the terminal: /
701 [07:30:03] <Nicolas> annadane
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703 [07:30:30] <annadane> Nicolas, what doesn't work? any error messages?
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706 [07:30:59] <Nicolas> annadane command not found
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708 [07:31:43] <glifr> hi
709 [07:31:55] * zerothis face palms
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711 [07:32:23] <artik> wu
712 [07:32:25] <zerothis> sorry, Debian Woody didn't find the drive because I selected SATA
713 [07:32:46] <annadane> Nicolas, works for me. did you trying typing it with " marks? if so, remove them
714 [07:33:15] <annadane> just LC_ALL=C pactl list | nc termbin.com 9999
715 [07:33:15] <glifr> hey adc today i went to that hotel i've been staying at with abra0 and we sent Len over to jelly s house to do some cooking. McLive and jrabe were there too
716 [07:33:37] <annadane> glifr, this is not a chat channel; please go to #debian-offtopic
717 [07:33:39] <towo^work> zerothis, btw, replaced-url
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720 [07:33:59] <jeffmr> For anyone interested in installing Debian 9 on the Toshiba Chromebook 2 2015 CB35-C3300 or C3350 head on over to,
721 [07:34:01] <jeffmr> replaced-url
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725 [07:34:48] <annadane> jeffmr, your efforts would be better spent putting that on the wiki, if those instructions are accurate
726 [07:34:49] <glifr> annadane\adc\abra0\Len\jelly\McLive\jrabe
727 [07:34:54] <glifr> i'm just testing something
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729 [07:35:10] <glifr> inb4 test elsewhere
730 [07:35:12] <glifr> annadane adc abra0 Len jelly McLive jrabe
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732 [07:35:13] <jeffmr> Ok, I'll look into doing that. Thank you.
733 [07:35:15] <zerothis> towo^work: thanks, I bookmark that case I need it
734 [07:35:18] <glifr> ok bye
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738 [07:36:04] <Nicolas> annadane not work ;(
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741 [07:36:37] <annadane> Nicolas, does it say *which* command not found?
742 [07:36:53] <annadane> like nc: command not found?
743 [07:38:02] <Nicolas> | nc termbin.com 9999
744 [07:38:23] <annadane> Nicolas, apt install nc
745 [07:38:23] <Nicolas> echo heretext... | nc termbin.com 9999
746 [07:38:29] <Nicolas> oh ok
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748 [07:38:37] <glifr> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv HappyLoaf rednul himuraken_ snkcld rancyd tarzeau_ Chex jmnk iflema christel makz cmichel heinrich5991 lbatalha mxh- Nothing4You leochill stefanc_diff ngc0202 enoch85_ Louis binaryc p_quarles baba_ baum brouette sirecote elkmoose Ceber trewas r0Oter Mahe ziongate LiENUS t3eblinder1 djz88- bipolar riex anonnumberanon HotSwap Hooloovo0 Acrisor benaiah lowin zerete Ard1t
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751 [07:38:51] <annadane> that's enough testing. it's just spam at this point
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754 [07:40:09] <Ejeslikro> i'm testing Sigyn's configuration
755 [07:40:11] <Ejeslikro> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2
756 [07:40:24] <annadane> Ejeslikro, so use ping. don't just spam names in the channel
757 [07:40:25] <Ejeslikro> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv HappyLoaf rednul himuraken_ snkcld rancyd tarzeau_
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759 [07:40:37] <annadane> which will annoy people if you just randomly notify them by highlighting their nicks
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763 [07:41:54] <annadane> well, i thought you said "connection", not configuration, but you still shouldn't do that here
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769 [07:45:37] <Eshae> one more test
770 [07:45:41] <Eshae> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv
771 [07:45:44] <Eshae> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv HappyLoaf
772 [07:45:47] <Eshae> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv HappyLoaf rednul
773 [07:45:54] <Eshae> Diaoul colttt bw_ InFerNo_ daishan latez Guest64074 Len concerti daniel2 lsv HappyLoaf rednul himuraken_
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776 [07:46:30] <annadane> you know, if i tell you to stop maybe you should stop
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778 [07:47:54] <preaction> they're trying to figure out at which point Sigyn bans them, so they can be as obnoxious as possible and force humans to deal with them
779 [07:47:57] <iskomiop> i'm all done now
780 [07:48:01] <iskomiop> wont bother you further
781 [07:48:09] <preaction> somehow i don't believe you
782 [07:48:13] <iskomiop> just wanted to see that it's a max of 13 nicks which can be said in a line until sigyn gets mad
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784 [07:48:48] <iskomiop> goal reached. done now.
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788 [07:50:53] <Nicolas> replaced-url
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792 [07:51:59] <annadane> just to restate nicolas's question for people who weren't around earlier, he's on 9.2.1 and can't get sound from his headphones
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795 [07:53:48] <r3> just to ask the obvious: Are they plugged into the correct port? Have you tried speakers in the port you are using? How about line out?
796 [07:54:55] <Nicolas> Before I was on Archlinux and everything worked fine, As soon as I installed debian my sound does not work anymore
797 [07:55:03] * r3 reads scrollback and didn't want to assume they worked in Arch but not in Debian
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800 [07:56:26] <r3> and the drivers are loaded and are for the correct device? I'm not sure how to proceed, so will yield to someone with a better idea
801 [07:57:21] <annadane> he wants to know whether deleting libreoffice and some kde software might be related
802 [07:57:26] <Nicolas> How should I do it? Yes yes I am a real noob
803 [07:57:30] <annadane> which to answer that question, i doubt it
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805 [07:57:40] <annadane> libreoffice certainly not, it depends on what you deleted from kde
806 [07:57:51] <annadane> it's all in /var/log/apt/history.log, if you wanted to post that too
807 [07:58:04] <annadane> LC_ALL=C cat /var/log/apt/history.log | nc termbin.com 9999
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810 [07:58:25] <annadane> if you just updated to debian it should all be in one history.log file
811 [07:58:35] <Nicolas> replaced-url
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815 [07:59:28] <LiuYan> Nicolas: from the output of 'pactl list', i don't see any 'Card #' , it seems pulseaudio don't see any sound card, not sure why.
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817 [08:00:01] <Nicolas> It's very weird :/
818 [08:00:11] <LiuYan> tr
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820 [08:00:27] <Nicolas> Could a reinstallation have solved the problem?
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822 [08:01:01] <annadane> it's probably more work for what is probably a simple solution
823 [08:01:08] <annadane> and you won't learn how to fix the problem
824 [08:01:17] <LiuYan> does reboot or relogin helps
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826 [08:02:13] <Nicolas> You are right, you have to learn how to solve your problems
827 [08:02:29] <Nicolas> I will restart
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830 [08:03:17] <percy> I can't find /etc/udev/rules.d/* in Debian 9,has the path changed?
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834 [08:05:58] <Nicolas_> Even with a reboot it does not work
835 [08:06:55] <annadane> so if pulse doesn't see a sound card that's probably a pulseaudio problem
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841 [08:08:34] <annadane> Nicolas_, i found this replaced-url
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843 [08:08:48] <annadane> that may be a temporary workaround
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846 [08:09:55] <Nicolas_> I will test her any thanks thanks;)
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857 [08:11:51] <annadane> incidentally i'm sure if you google "pulseaudio no headphones sound" or something you'll eventually stumble on your solution but that's a bit of a cop out considering we're a support channel
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866 [08:15:42] <Nicolas> There's something new after restarting there's the soundbar that moves my steps
867 [08:16:11] <Nicolas> replaced-url
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875 [08:21:47] <annadane> what happens if you try speaker-test?
876 [08:22:23] <annadane> i guess you did say it was just headphones and not your main speakers
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883 [08:23:58] <Nicolas> Yes it's a headphone and not speakers
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886 [08:24:59] <Nicolas> I think my debian is corrupt
887 [08:25:14] <annadane> what does lsusb say?
888 [08:26:38] <Nicolas> replaced-url
889 [08:26:52] <Nicolas> I love this feature :D
890 [08:27:24] <annadane> so it doesn't look like it registers them at all
891 [08:27:59] <pingfloyd> Nicolas: are you sure you're actually using pulse?
892 [08:28:13] <Nicolas> Yes
893 [08:28:29] <pingfloyd> lots of application packages do depend on it, but it's technically optional in debian
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895 [08:28:49] <pingfloyd> Nicolas: try with pavucontrol
896 [08:29:17] <annadane> (and if it's not installed, apt install pavucontrol)
897 [08:29:22] <annadane> actually, why didn't i think of that
898 [08:29:26] <annadane> stupid me
899 [08:29:41] <rtur> who is sourcing /etc/login.defs ? I've just updated the ENV_PATH variable there and it seems log out/in doesn't do the trick.
900 [08:30:10] <Nicolas> pavucontrol is already the newest version (3.0-3.1).
901 [08:30:28] <pingfloyd> okay, so take look in it
902 [08:30:31] <annadane> okay. mess around with the settings for a while
903 [08:30:42] <annadane> it has a fairly intuitive graphical user interface
904 [08:31:22] <annadane> it includes the ability to reroute one sound output to a device
905 [08:31:43] <annadane> though if it doesn't even register the headphones as being there...
906 [08:32:03] <Nicolas> I have a lot of errors in my terminal: / I think my system is corrupt
907 [08:33:50] <Nicolas> I think I'm going to reinstall it tomorrow, what do you say?
908 [08:34:02] <annadane> sure, if you have backups and you're tired of diagnosing the issue
909 [08:34:04] <annadane> really up to you
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979 [09:22:59] <dcpc007> hi, does anyone knows how to solve the del key creating ^H in a JRE .bin setup please ?
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1001 [09:37:23] <helldorado> hi can anyone use an HP GEN 10 via PXE? I have a black screen
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1089 [10:38:29] <luc4> Hello! Anyone who can explain how owner and group for files are stored in the deb package? I thought that uid and gid was kept, but I see it is not entirely true…
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1104 [10:55:16] <iodev> Can I switch my debian to another init system?
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1106 [10:55:24] <iodev> and still have it remain stable?
1107 [10:56:07] <petn-randall> iodev: sure.
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1109 [10:56:18] <iodev> I like OpenRC, so sudo apt-get install openrc
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1113 [10:57:12] <gpunk> yup
1114 [10:57:20] <well_laid_lawn> I used busyboxs' init with arch when systemd came along - only for a while though. Programs tend to be built with systemd as a dependency
1115 [10:57:42] <well_laid_lawn> so lots of rebuilding started to happen
1116 [10:57:58] <iodev> gpunk: and is it safe to remove systemd aswell?
1117 [10:58:17] <gpunk> well it is systemd that you will replace
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1120 [10:58:23] <petn-randall> !stretch sysvinit
1121 [10:58:23] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
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1123 [10:58:55] <babilen> I wouldn't expect packages to be as well adapted to OpenRC as they are to sysvinit and systemd now (there are still a fair number of init scripts around for services that lack unit files)
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1126 [10:59:05] <iodev> petn-randall: so, no apt-get purge systemd?
1127 [10:59:14] <petn-randall> iodev: Roughly like this ^^^. Don't know the exact steps for openrc, you'll have to test it. And what babilen said.
1128 [10:59:17] <babilen> iodev: The packages will conflict already
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1131 [10:59:24] <babilen> (or they should)
1132 [10:59:48] <petn-randall> iodev: You'll probably have to write a few openrc units for yourself for it to run smoothly.
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1135 [11:00:22] <iodev> babilen: well I installed openrc, and I have (according to tutorial [3rd party]) apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove systemd
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1139 [11:00:51] <petn-randall> !tutorial
1140 [11:00:51] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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1143 [11:01:05] <iodev> nope, doesn't work, that wants to also remove xfce4-terminal
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1146 [11:01:26] <Guest43758> hi
1147 [11:01:27] <iodev> petn-randall: right, you're right
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1156 [11:02:31] <petn-randall> iodev: I have xfce4 with Debian stretch, and when I install openrc it just removes sysv-rc.
1157 [11:02:34] <babilen> iodev: Do whatever you think is right. I haven't investigated this particular situation and approach. Paste relevant information to replaced-url
1158 [11:02:36] <n4dir> xfce4-terminal seems to depend on libsystemd0, but not on systemd
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1163 [11:03:27] <n4dir> I sure removed systemd without problems. When it comes to removing libstystemd0 the problems start
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1169 [11:04:46] <n4dir> i assume we speak of the same third-party how-to. That tells to remove both and do some pinning. That one?
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1172 [11:05:02] <petn-randall> Apparently openrc just builds on top of sysvinit.
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1174 [11:06:26] <jelly> n4dir: removing a library will pull all installed software built against said library, you probably don't want to do that
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1176 [11:07:05] <n4dir> My systems are small. That was not the problem (but a failure in running startx)
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1179 [11:07:47] <n4dir> Well: iirc. been a while. I gave up caring for init systems.
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1183 [11:08:31] <n4dir> My main point was that *only* removing systemd shouldn't give any problems
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1191 [11:10:47] <iodev> petn-randall: right, and xfce4-terminal seems to depend in stretch also on systemd
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1194 [11:11:31] <jelly> ,depends xfce4-terminal
1195 [11:11:33] <judd> Package xfce4-terminal in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.21.5), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libvte-2.91-0 (>= 0.45.90), libx11-6, libxfce4ui-2-0 (>= 4.11.0), libxfce4util7 (>= 4.9.0), exo-utils.
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1198 [11:12:17] <n4dir> perhaps in the rdepends ... ?
1199 [11:12:24] <iodev> ,depends libxfce4ui
1200 [11:12:25] <judd> No package named 'libxfce4ui' was found in stretch/amd64.
1201 [11:12:32] <jelly> iodev: that's very unlikely. Might depend on a library somewhere down the chain, but probably not the init system
1202 [11:12:38] <iodev> ,depends libxfce4ui-2-0
1203 [11:12:39] <petn-randall> iodev: I don't see where it does.
1204 [11:12:39] <judd> Package libxfce4ui-2-0 in stretch/amd64 -- depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.4), libc6 (>= 2.4), libcairo-gobject2 (>= 1.10.0), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.0.2), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.78), libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 (>= 2.22.0), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.37.3), libgtk-3-0 (>= 3.9.12), libice6 (>= 1:1.0.0), libpango-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libpangocairo-1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), libsm6, libstartup-notification0 (>= 0.4),
1205 [11:12:40] <judd> libx11-6, libxfce4util7 (>= 4.9.0), libxfconf-0-2 (>= 4.6.0), libxfce4ui-common (>= 4.11).
1206 [11:13:05] <n4dir> iodev: do "apt-rdepends xfce4-terminal | grep systemd"
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1209 [11:14:08] <iodev> Depends: libsystemd0 (>= 209)
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1211 [11:14:26] <iodev> and it won't let me remove systemd, because it depends on libsystemd0
1212 [11:14:45] <jelly> !bat
1213 [11:14:46] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1214 [11:14:48] <jelly> iodev: ^^
1215 [11:15:17] <iodev> ok
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1226 [11:16:40] <n4dir> xfce4-terminal depends on libsystemd0, but libsystemd0 doesn't depend on systemd (from what i understand, duh). You should be able to remove it
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1230 [11:17:24] <n4dir> not sure if i really would care if (for example) systemd is installed or not, as long it isn't used anyway ...
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1234 [11:18:23] <helldorado> anyone use an HP GEN 10 via PXE? I have a black screen
1235 [11:19:30] <iodev> ahh, n4dir I found online the answer, I need to add a repo that'll give me systemd-free udisk2 gvfs and xfce4-session
1236 [11:19:53] <jelly> iodev: don't add third party repos blindly
1237 [11:20:49] <iodev> no, ofc not
1238 [11:20:53] <iodev> I'll add the devuan repo
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1240 [11:21:27] <petn-randall> iodev: Why not install devuan instead?
1241 [11:21:39] <petn-randall> iodev: Then at least your system will be supported in their channels.
1242 [11:22:09] <jelly> nod
1243 [11:22:28] <n4dir> Not sure if you will find many openrc users over there. I understood that is what iodev wants
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1245 [11:23:03] <n4dir> and you can use debian with all kind of init systems. Why point him to a different distro?
1246 [11:23:12] <iodev> yeah, I used to have gentoo in the past and I have grown to like openrc
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1248 [11:23:17] <jelly> xfce4-session Recommends: [...] libpam-systemd, systemd-sysv | systemd-shim
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1250 [11:23:49] <iodev> petn-randall: no need to install a whole OS, I'll just get udisk2, policy-kit1 and a few other "fixes"
1251 [11:24:02] <babilen> iodev: So, what is *actually* the problem? Could you show us? (cf. bat before)
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1253 [11:24:20] <iodev> babilen: it's complicated to post
1254 [11:24:25] <babilen> How so?
1255 [11:24:29] <jelly> it should not be impossible to remove systemd-sysv and systemd
1256 [11:24:50] <jelly> and even if systemd package exists, it does not have to be active at all
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1258 [11:25:02] <petn-randall> Isn't Devuan all about init freedom?
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1261 [11:25:37] <kopper> Isn't it all about not-systemd?
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1263 [11:26:17] <n4dir> petn-randall: i am not that sure, but i think the main reason is they also want to get rid of libsystemd0 and such (as said, running a different init system on debian is possible).
1264 [11:26:24] <n4dir> antiX does a better job, if you ask me
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1267 [11:26:56] <n4dir> with way less noise in doing so ...
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1269 [11:26:59] <jelly> petn-randall: no, devuan is about systematically getting rid of any trace of systemd
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1272 [11:28:13] <jelly> my (jessie) server still has systemd package installed, but sysvinit is init
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1275 [11:29:21] <n4dir> on a sidenote: i installed debian/kfreebsd the other day (as it was the only CD i had around). Seems to do it's job well (also jessie of course, but from what i understand i could upgrade to sid. Not sure how well that would run)
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1281 [11:34:14] <anirban_> In debian stretch, I am getting this error.
1282 [11:34:25] <n4dir> point is: instead of pointing a user to devuan, he/she might as well be pointed to that (and what not).
1283 [11:34:25] <iodev> n4dir: yeah, so I switched my repos to devuan, I think I'll turn this debian into a devuan :D
1284 [11:34:30] <anirban_> No rule to make target '/usr/lib/libboost_regex.so', needed by 'collabkitchenrouter'. Stop.
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1286 [11:34:44] <n4dir> iodev: well. good luck :-)
1287 [11:35:02] <anirban_> libboost_regex.so is present in /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
1288 [11:35:14] <anirban_> Should I open a bug report in debian?
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1290 [11:35:17] <anirban_> Or cmake?
1291 [11:35:23] <iodev> n4dir: about support idk :D
1292 [11:37:18] <klys> anirban_, using dpkg-buildpackage or make ?
1293 [11:37:45] <anirban_> make klys
1294 [11:37:58] <anirban_> cmake
1295 [11:38:01] <klys> anirban_, which directory?
1296 [11:38:16] <iodev> n4dir: hopefully it'll boot into openrc :D
1297 [11:38:33] <anirban_> /home/anirban/Documents/projects/collabkitchenrouter/build
1298 [11:39:11] <klys> anirban_, is that where it's missing from? try ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libboost_regex.so .
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1300 [11:39:35] <anirban_> It's missing from /usr/lib/
1301 [11:39:58] <klys> anirban_, did cmake notify you that make was entering or leaving /usr/lib ?
1302 [11:41:16] <anirban_> no
1303 [11:41:18] <klys> oh I see it has a direct path
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1305 [11:42:00] <klys> well, you should consider that part of the build process obsolete and try to rely on /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu instead of /usr/lib
1306 [11:42:14] <anirban_> Okay
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1309 [11:44:34] <petn-randall> iodev: Mixing different distributions makes it unsupportable in Debian. Good luck!
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1311 [11:45:40] <n4dir> he didn't mix, he switched, but it ain't supported by that here anymore ( which is the main point, i guess)
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1317 [11:51:48] <Sveta> i'm looking for a pdf viewer with continuous scrolling that remembers the last page that i opened, and is not okular or evince. mupdf does not have continuous scrolling.
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1325 [11:54:38] <k1412> Hello everyone, I have some issues with the command pam-auth-update without prompt. I add my configuration file for mkhomedir but when I run it it, not automaticaly activate (same issue with a salt formula)
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1328 [11:55:03] <FluffyBunnies> omg look at this replaced-url
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1331 [11:55:17] <bazhang> FluffyBunnies, is that topical here
1332 [11:55:34] <FluffyBunnies> bazhang, are you topical here
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1334 [11:56:03] <bazhang> FluffyBunnies, lets ask the ops
1335 [11:56:24] <FluffyBunnies> !ops bazhang would like to kiss your ass because he's a kissup
1336 [11:56:25] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: fluffybunnies complains about a problem (see above)
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1338 [11:56:51] <likcoras> Sveta: apvlv looks like it fits your requirements
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1352 [11:59:36] <sephii> Hey there, I'm trying to run chromium in a different language. I installed the chromium-l10n package and tried running "LANG=fr.UTF-8 chromium" but the UI is still in english. Any idea?
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1365 [12:05:11] <Sveta> likcoras: thanks, that seems ok but it lags and freezes. i'll try to investigate.
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1369 [12:06:59] <CuteMeOwnThroat> it's en_US.UTF-8 for me… and for de it's de_DE.utf8
1370 [12:07:06] <CuteMeOwnThroat> check with locale -a what locales you have
1371 [12:07:43] <theluckymike> hey, Im running laptop at home hooked to big tv and running various x applications. when I ssh to it, how can I get to same "environment", so I can control all X applications via cli?
1372 [12:08:04] <sephii> CuteMeOwnThroat: thanks, found it, I had to set LANGUAGE instead of LANG
1373 [12:08:11] <CuteMeOwnThroat> LANG=fr_FR.utf8 works for me and I don't even have that locale installed
1374 [12:08:45] <CuteMeOwnThroat> (on a system level… I just installed the chrome language thing for trying this out)
1375 [12:09:20] <CuteMeOwnThroat> and yeah… fr.UTF-8 doesn't work, because that's just not what it's called
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1400 [12:20:57] <tomodachi> hi guys , I just cannot get NAT to work with nftables, is it only me? spent days on it , anyone care to help or share experiences?
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1412 [12:24:11] <capa> !list
1413 [12:24:11] <dpkg> capa: vedi replaced-url
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1533 [13:27:21] <dff> im having troubles getting swedish characters to work. I'm using SSH to connect. ive generated sv_SE.UTF-8 UTF-8 and edited /etc/default/keyboard
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1535 [13:27:34] <dff> but still doesnt work, what have i missed?
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1546 [13:33:34] <petn-randall> dff: What happens if you do type swedish chars?
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1557 [13:39:07] <petn-randall> dff: And typing those works on the local machine?
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1562 [13:41:05] <dff> petn-randall, i installed a lite version. Do i need any drivers to use a monitor with HDMI?
1563 [13:41:11] <dff> it's not responding :/
1564 [13:41:55] <dff> stretch-lite
1565 [13:42:05] <babilen> dff: Where did you install a "lite" version and what does that mean? Also: Your local machine isn't responding?
1566 [13:42:16] <babilen> What are you using to SSH into the box?
1567 [13:42:45] <dff> it's a raspberry 2+ with raspbian, i installed 2017-09-07-raspbian-stretch-lite
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1569 [13:42:53] <dff> using iterm from macos to ssh
1570 [13:43:09] <petn-randall> dff: Oh, raspbian is supported elsewhere.
1571 [13:43:13] <petn-randall> !raspbian
1572 [13:43:13] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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1575 [13:43:49] <petn-randall> dff: You likely need to set the correct locales in iterm, but it's best to ask in some Apple/iterm-specific channel.
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1577 [13:44:12] <babilen> dff: And we were asking if you can see those characters on your OSX box, but you might want to continue in #raspbian if this turns out to *not* be an OSX issue
1578 [13:44:20] <dff> oh!
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1580 [13:44:39] <dff> i see the characters on my macos box
1581 [13:45:37] <dff> and i edited my SSH config to comment out
1582 [13:45:37] <dff> Host *
1583 [13:45:38] <dff> # SendEnv LANG LC_*
1584 [13:46:31] <babilen> The other side still has to accept it and this channel is still not right :)
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1586 [13:46:56] <dff> i had the exakt same problem om my debian set ut
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1588 [13:47:04] <dff> that's why i came here
1589 [13:47:04] <babilen> Sorry, but I don't even know what -lite means or entails, so you might want to discuss this in the appropriate channel, namely #raspbian
1590 [13:47:15] <dff> ok thanks anyway
1591 [13:47:19] <babilen> Good luck!
1592 [13:47:23] <dff> :)
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1601 [13:52:13] <`sunbro> Is there a way to add the debian symbol to the top applications menu bar? replaced-url
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1608 [13:56:34] <k1412> Hello back everyone, I have some issues with the command pam-auth-update without prompt. I add my configuration file for mkhomedir but when I run it it, not automaticaly activate (same issue with a salt formula)
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1676 [14:41:12] <ForceRecon> what is the secret of 4.9.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.51-1 (2017-09-28) x86_64 GNU/Linux where when you have 3 monitors that when you add panels to the other two monitors not your primary how to have applications minimize to those panels and not always the primary panel. Not to mention opening on those other monitors and not always just on the primary
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1678 [14:42:17] <jelly> ForceRecon: that's probably a wm/de issue
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1680 [14:43:02] <ForceRecon> should it be considered a bug or just end user configuration stupidity
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1682 [14:43:15] <jelly> why not both!
1683 [14:43:25] <ForceRecon> heh.. gots to love the jelly
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1705 [14:52:00] <Unicorn437deb> Hey there, when I do lspci -k it lists my graphics card as only having the kernel module 'radeon' despite also being supported by AMDGPU drivers, how do I change that? I'm running debian 9
1706 [14:52:41] <Unicorn437deb> The reason why I want to switch is because radeon is very unstable on my current setup and outright doesn't work in some desktop environments
1707 [14:54:02] <jelly> !blacklist initramfs
1708 [14:54:02] <dpkg> If your kernel uses an initramfs image (e.g. Debian stock kernel images), you need to run «update-initramfs -u» in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf
1709 [14:54:05] <jelly> !blacklist
1710 [14:54:06] <dpkg> To blacklist a Linux kernel module, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". If this doesn't work, do 'echo "install modulename /bin/true" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local.conf'. IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. replaced-url
1711 [14:54:46] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: ^^ you may try to blacklist the radeon module, but make sure amdgpu.ko really wants to bind and work with your device
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1713 [14:55:24] <Unicorn437deb> jelly, how do I make sure of that? Its listed as a supported device for amdgpu
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1718 [14:55:58] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: dunno, see if "modinfo amdgpu" lists the pci id for your card
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1721 [14:56:41] <Unicorn437deb> modinfo isn't a package I have
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1723 [14:57:41] <jelly> it's a command.
1724 [14:57:59] <Unicorn437deb> I still get a command not found error
1725 [14:58:07] <Unicorn437deb> for both actually, also the update-initramfs
1726 [14:58:18] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: /sbin/modinfo
1727 [14:58:49] <jelly> fix your root's PATH to include /usr/sbin and /sbin
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1729 [14:59:10] <Unicorn437deb> still missing modinfo ^^
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1731 [14:59:32] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: do you not have /sbin/modinfo ?
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1733 [14:59:53] <Unicorn437deb> correct
1734 [15:00:06] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: which debian release are you using?
1735 [15:00:10] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: dpkg -l kmod
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1738 [15:00:36] <Unicorn437deb> apparently I have it, but for some reason its not working when I try to run it
1739 [15:01:01] <jelly> Unicorn437deb: show the output of: ls -ld /sbin/modinfo
1740 [15:01:34] <Unicorn437deb> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 26 2016 /sbin/modinfo -> /bin/kmod
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1743 [15:02:12] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: ls -ld /bin/kmod
1744 [15:02:43] <Unicorn437deb> no such file or directory
1745 [15:02:53] <Unicorn437deb> nvm
1746 [15:03:00] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: well that's the reason
1747 [15:03:07] <Unicorn437deb> nah I typod
1748 [15:03:21] <Unicorn437deb> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 149688 Dec 26 2016 /bin/kmod
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1750 [15:03:42] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: ldd /bin/kmod
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1753 [15:05:03] <Unicorn437deb> ldd /bin/kmod linux-vdso.so.1 (0x00007fff8adf3000) libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f98f0b4c000) /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f98f1110000)
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1755 [15:06:08] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: and /sbin/modinfo gives no output at all?
1756 [15:06:20] <ntz3615> Unicorn437deb: no even an error message?
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1758 [15:07:17] <Unicorn437deb> missing module or filename
1759 [15:07:29] <Unicorn437deb> when I go in there with cd I can see it though
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1780 [15:24:38] <doublehp> whihc package contains the config.gz for official pre-built kernels ?
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1784 [15:27:35] <ntz3615> doublehp: if you mean /proc/config.gz it must be part of the kernel-image package
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1788 [15:28:25] <ntz3615> doublehp: but IIRC debian kernels are build without support for /proc/config.gz
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1790 [15:28:35] <doublehp> ntz3615: several machines are lacking /proc/config.gz and i need to know if they support F2FS
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1792 [15:28:51] <ntz3615> doublehp: it must be built into the kernel
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1794 [15:29:08] <ntz3615> doublehp: or at least as a loadable module (configs.ko)
1795 [15:29:24] <doublehp> unless it was not included at all !!!
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1798 [15:30:12] <ntz3615> doublehp: i think the debian way is to install a file config-`uname -r` in /boot along with the kernel image
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1801 [15:31:04] <doublehp> ntz3615: ah yes , i had forgotten that
1802 [15:31:06] <doublehp> thanks
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1804 [15:32:06] <ntz3615> doublehp: i prefer the built-in /proc/config.gz, because it cannot be deleted/modified etc.
1805 [15:32:30] <ntz3615> doublehp: but that's not how debian kernel are built i guess
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1821 [15:40:42] <doublehp> how do I tell Aptitude to not use IPv6 ?
1822 [15:41:07] <petn-randall> !goal
1823 [15:41:07] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
1824 [15:41:11] <petn-randall> doublehp: ^^^
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1826 [15:41:53] <petn-randall> doublehp: If you IPv6 configuration is broken, you'll still have every other network service not working.
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1828 [15:42:04] <doublehp> petn-randall: my end goal is to install F2FS tools : replaced-url
1829 [15:42:30] <petn-randall> doublehp: Oh, you're using raspbian.
1830 [15:42:32] <petn-randall> !raspbian
1831 [15:42:34] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
1832 [15:42:38] <Dagger> doublehp: what does `wget replaced-url
1833 [15:42:38] <doublehp> it's NATED v4 behing nated v4 ...
1834 [15:42:42] <petn-randall> doublehp: You can find their channel there. ^^^
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1836 [15:43:17] <gpunk> doublehp so ?
1837 [15:43:19] <metastable> You have a global-scope IPv6 address without a default IPv6 route. That's not going to work well.
1838 [15:43:32] <petn-randall> metastable: still offtopic in here
1839 [15:43:59] <metastable> Oh, missed that he was on rasp.
1840 [15:44:06] <doublehp> Dagger: worked, after some time : replaced-url
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1843 [15:44:30] <ntz3615> doublehp: you could do this to disable ipv6 temporarily: sudo -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/disable_ipv6"
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1845 [15:44:55] <petn-randall> doublehp, Dagger, ntz3615, please take it to #raspbian if you want to further debug.
1846 [15:44:57] <Dagger> doublehp: your system is trying v4 first. disabling v6 is not going to help anything
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1858 [15:46:37] <doublehp> ah yes, I thought it was due to aptitude; it's not: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 302 Found ... not an aptitude issue.
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1860 [15:47:34] <doublehp> graaaa
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1866 [15:48:39] <Dagger> the main issue is that Raspbian's mirror director thing is currently either broken or very slow over v4. in fact it's working fine over v6, so if you had global v6 connectivity then you wouldn't be seeing breakage
1867 [15:48:52] <bluj> hi- debian 8.9. can anyone tell me how to switch the kernel grub boots? i installed a 4.x backport kernel, and i've tried changing /etc/default/grub to switch the GRUB_DEFAULT to match the index of the kernel i want from: "grep menuentry /boot/grub/grub.cfg" .. and running update-grub - but it keeps booting into my newer kernel. what's up?
1868 [15:49:13] <ntz3615> doublehp: of course i meant: sudo sh -c "echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/eth0/disable_ipv6" but if it's not a ipv6 issue, ignore this :)
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1870 [15:49:45] <Dagger> and you're only seeing the v6 IP in aptitude's error message because aptitude reports just the last failure, not the first failure which is the actual relevant one here
1871 [15:50:05] <doublehp> replaced-url
1872 [15:50:18] <jelly> doublehp: again, move this to #raspbian
1873 [15:50:43] <jelly> else I'll start to hand out +q
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1877 [15:51:21] <doublehp> jelly: I really thought it was aptitude not trying v4 hard enough.
1878 [15:51:39] <jelly> doublehp: this is not #aptitude
1879 [15:51:50] <petn-randall> doublehp: Still completely irrelevant for #debian, you're not running Debian, you're running Raspbian.
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1881 [15:52:37] <jelly> bluj: the backport kernel will be first in order after an update-grub command, since its version is larger
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1890 [15:53:31] <jelly> bluj: if you want to boot the default kernel... uh, I actually don't know how to select a submenu entry.
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1900 [15:57:29] <n4dir> i seem to recall: the newest one is 0, the rescue mode of the newest is 1, the second newest is 2 , etc ...
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1908 [16:04:03] <jelly> n4dir: and that only works when there's no submenu
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1911 [16:05:03] <n4dir> yeah, after hitting the enter i realized my misunderstanding. Though i was able to get it sorted too (after a few tries, and for jessie).
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1914 [16:05:32] <n4dir> I have set it to 3.
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1938 [16:22:23] <velus> hello all, im trying to install Open Broadcaster on debain 9 (stretch) for the dependenices it needs libavcodec-extra-53 libavdevice-extra-53 i can find libavcodec-extra (with out the 53, there is a 57) but not an extra on libavdevice
1939 [16:22:47] <codebam> how can I compile the vim package with +python?
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1944 [16:23:40] <petn-randall> codebam: No need to compile, just install any of the vim-python packages.
1945 [16:23:43] <tw> ,v obs-studio
1946 [16:23:44] <judd> Package: obs-studio on amd64 -- stretch: 0.15.4+dfsg1-1+b1; buster: 19.0.3+dfsg1-1; sid: 19.0.3+dfsg1-1; stretch-multimedia: 1:19.0.2-dmo2+deb9u1; buster-multimedia: 1:20.1.1-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:20.1.1-dmo1
1947 [16:23:50] <tw> velus: install from apt.
1948 [16:24:13] <codebam> I have vim-gtk3 and it isn't working
1949 [16:24:13] <velus> not obs studio but open broadcast server
1950 [16:24:24] <codebam> or...
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1953 [16:24:30] <velus> open broadcast server is not in the apt
1954 [16:24:32] <codebam> I'll change which version of vim I'm using
1955 [16:24:37] <codebam> using update-alternatives
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1957 [16:25:22] <codebam> still nothing
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1959 [16:25:37] <codebam> when I change it to vim-gtk3 it says I don't have +python
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1961 [16:25:52] <jelly> velus: where are you getting the package for this software from? Is it built for Debian 9? Follow these:
1962 [16:25:52] <petn-randall> codebam: How are you checking it?
1963 [16:25:55] <jelly> !bat
1964 [16:25:55] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1965 [16:25:59] <codebam> I'm running "vim"
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1967 [16:26:07] <codebam> after I update-alternatives
1968 [16:26:33] <codebam> now I'm running from /usr/bin/vim.gtk3
1969 [16:26:36] <codebam> same result
1970 [16:27:05] <petn-randall> codebam: Looks like it's only built against python3, not python2.
1971 [16:27:34] <codebam> oh so plugins that need python2 won't work
1972 [16:27:38] <codebam> hmm
1973 [16:27:47] <codebam> well nvim works but it's really buggy
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1980 [16:31:12] <jelly> ,v libavdevice-extra-53
1981 [16:31:13] <judd> Package: libavdevice-extra-53 on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1
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1983 [16:31:35] <jelly> ,v libavcodec-extra-53
1984 [16:31:36] <judd> Package: libavcodec-extra-53 on amd64 -- wheezy: 6:0.8.17-2; wheezy-security: 6:0.8.21-0+deb7u1
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1987 [16:32:13] <jelly> velus: sounds very old. You'll have to add back sources.list entries for wheezy, and it might not work even with those.
1988 [16:32:26] <jelly> dpkg, tell velus about wheezy sources.list
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2028 [16:56:34] <dgandhi> Greetings, I'm wondering if their is a tool in main repos for checking LUKS passwords for open devices, man -k only gave me cryptsetup, which does not seem to have such an option -- I need to make sure the PW I have works before I unmount the device
2029 [16:57:11] <frostschutz> dgandhi, cryptsetup open --test-passphrase
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2037 [17:00:01] <dgandhi> frostschutz: thanks, they really buried the options on that man page
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2049 [17:02:32] <frostschutz> dgandhi, if it doesn't work but the system is still running, you can get the master key with dmsetup table --showkeys
2050 [17:02:49] <allan_wind1> I have a supermicro server that just showed an alert on the front panel. How do I figure out the cause? dmesg, syslog is empty (of faults)
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2054 [17:03:55] <petn-randall> allan_wind1: What kind of alert? I imagine that being independent of the OS.
2055 [17:04:24] <allan_wind1> beep tone, and the red alert light was on for maybe like 5 minutes
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2057 [17:05:07] <petn-randall> allan_wind1: I'd check the handbook what that means, that alert might not be directly accessible from the OS.
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2059 [17:07:04] <dgandhi> frostschutz: out of curiosity ( hope I don't need it ) I just copy the master key hex to a file and use the --master-key-file option on luksAddKey ?
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2065 [17:08:58] <apteryx> Hello! Do we have npm packaged for Debian 9?
2066 [17:09:16] <frostschutz> dgandhi, might need a hex -> binary step, but yea
2067 [17:09:53] <apteryx> I need the web3 nodejs packages which doesn't seem natively available in Debian, hence I need npm to install it.
2068 [17:10:04] <k1412> Hello everyone, can someone make pam-auth-update work when we use it only in command line?
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2070 [17:10:54] <petn-randall> apteryx: npm got removed in the stretch release cycle for code quality reasons.
2071 [17:11:03] <petn-randall> !why is npm not in testing?
2072 [17:11:03] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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2078 [17:13:01] <apteryx> I see. I've also read here there are security considerations when using node-* packages in current Debian 9: replaced-url
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2080 [17:13:21] <apteryx> For now it seems the recommended way to use nodejs on Debian 9 is to use the project's PPA.
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2087 [17:15:08] <petn-randall> I think a security-conscious admin wouldn't deploy nodejs in the first place. :)
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2090 [17:16:43] <apteryx> petn-randall: I'm not familiar with nodejs... But it's a required component for one of the service we need to host so unless it gets rewritten in something else there's no working around that.
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2117 [17:29:46] <tw> petn-randall: a security conscious admin wouldn't deploy anything through rust's cargo or python's pip either, but there's way too much momentum and demand for those kinds of tools.
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2120 [17:31:02] <petn-randall> tw: I'd still differ there, though. nodejs is made by a bunch of frontend devs that never had to care, nor have a knowledge about backend security considerations.
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2168 [17:42:00] <edi> i'm using screen on one box , and "suddenly" when I log in to another box, the bash color's aren't displayed anymore
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2171 [17:42:18] <edi> when I log in to such box outside screen, those colors are displayed
2172 [17:42:31] <edi> so I reckon it's something w screen
2173 [17:42:39] <edi> but can't figure what exactly
2174 [17:42:44] <dashs> What is the analogous script or exit point to rc.local during restart/shutdown?
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2179 [17:45:57] <edi> solved
2180 [17:45:58] <edi> :-)
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2219 [18:07:10] <tim__> hello all. I'm using Virtualbox 5.2 with windows 7 x64 guest, sound is a mess I also tried virtualbox 5.1 same I tried both pulseaudio and alsa, "intel hd audio" and "ich97" drivers and also tried to install realtek ich97 driver on the windows guest
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2221 [18:07:22] <tim__> The audio is delayed and repeat some parts each 30s or something like that
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2224 [18:07:30] <tim__> If I use the ich97 is distorted
2225 [18:07:44] <tim__> I don't know what to do really, I depends a lot on virtualbox
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2227 [18:08:31] <tim__> I came from kali when it was working fine for other bugs due to the use of debian testing repository and I finally came happy to Debian Stretch hoping to don't have any more problems, and here I go again. I'm also unable to find any solution on the internet
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2229 [18:08:36] <tim__> Can someone help me?
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2250 [18:18:18] <tim__> it seems it's a DEBIAN PROBLEM not virtualbox
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2252 [18:19:10] <tim__> I found a little workaround here replaced-url
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2254 [18:19:55] <tim__> I don't understand why Debian don't care about this and I can't find information about a bug or anything, if I look up I also find related audio problems on qemu and kvm so I think it's not a matter of virtualbox or not virtualbox
2255 [18:20:21] <tim__> By the way, lenovo t520 debian 9 stretch good luck if a good soul will try to take care of this problem
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2263 [18:21:41] <NIcolas> Hi ;)
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2265 [18:22:13] <rant> I'm willing to bet that issue was using flash in windows
2266 [18:22:24] <rant> flash/silverlight something of the sort
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2268 [18:23:45] <rhizome> i think "sound in a VM" is probably pretty low on the list of priorities. heck, "sound on linux" itself is.
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2271 [18:25:11] <rant> yeah well I'm willing to bet it was a vm inside a vm inside a vm
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2273 [18:25:28] <NIcolas> Even after formatting I'm still sound that comes out of my headset replaced-url
2274 [18:26:09] <petn-randall> !ask
2275 [18:26:09] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2276 [18:26:14] <petn-randall> NIcolas: ^^^
2277 [18:26:23] <rant> sorry to hear that.. I wouldn't want to be sound that comes out of your headset
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2281 [18:27:00] <rhizome> no need to cap on ESLs
2282 [18:27:10] <NIcolas> Sorry if I have trouble with my english, it's not my native language :#
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2286 [18:27:23] <salt_irl> I changed my hostname in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname and now chrome isn't resolving... missed something ?
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2288 [18:27:39] <petn-randall> NIcolas: No problem, for most people here English is not their first language. Regarding your problem, it would help if you describe which problem you have in detail.
2289 [18:27:53] <Achylles> how do I get internet connection on runlevel 3?
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2291 [18:28:15] <rant> Achylles: same way you do on any other runlevel
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2293 [18:28:22] <Achylles> sytemctl restart network-manager does not work
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2296 [18:28:54] <rhizome> RL3 has networking by default. it's probably your config.
2297 [18:28:58] <Achylles> sytemctl restart networking does not work either
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2300 [18:29:21] <NIcolas> I went from Manjaro to Debian, because I wanted some more stable. When I arrived on debian I have no sound coming out of my headset, I yet look on the debian wiki to find a solution my still nothing
2301 [18:29:21] <rhizome> what do logs say?
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2304 [18:30:21] <petn-randall> NIcolas: Is the link you sent us a paste from your system?
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2309 [18:30:55] <heap_> hi, is there any commander as MC with logging ability?
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2312 [18:31:21] <Achylles> rhizome, what logs?
2313 [18:31:27] <Achylles> dmesg?
2314 [18:32:06] <NIcolas> petn-randall No it's the alsactl command to show you my problems with his
2315 [18:32:31] <petn-randall> NIcolas: Yes, but it's from the system you have problems, right?
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2317 [18:33:00] <NIcolas> Yes
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2319 [18:33:16] <heap_> guys any idea?
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2321 [18:34:37] <petn-randall> NIcolas: Since you're running pulseaudio, you should have a look at the settings of that with pavucontrol.
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2323 [18:35:13] <NIcolas> I will test I'll be back in 2 minutes :) Ty
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2328 [18:37:02] <lokus> hi- i asked this from another client earlier i don't have access to (sorry). after installing a 2nd kernel (via apt-get) i'd like to toggle back to the original one (debian 8.9). i've been finding any changes to my /boot/grub/grub.cfg or /etc/default/grub etc have had no effect. but i also noticed when i rebooted it last, the grub menu labels don't actually follow the 'menuentry' in my grub.cfg.
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2330 [18:37:02] <lokus> and there are less entries too. but it's still booting my latest installed kernel. how?
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2335 [18:39:14] <NIcolas> petn-randall There's a soundbar that works my still no sound
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2342 [18:40:14] <jhutchins> heap_: What is it you want to log?
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2349 [18:41:15] <heap_> jhutchins: all the operations i did, like f5, f6, f7, f8 etc
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2351 [18:42:08] <jhutchins> heap_: Why? What's your goal?
2352 [18:42:32] <heap_> if i do typo to be able to find out what happened
2353 [18:42:43] <heap_> i did something and my folder got lost
2354 [18:42:47] <heap_> so i dont know what i did
2355 [18:42:47] <heap_> :)
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2361 [18:44:25] <jhutchins> heap_: Well, if you use the command line, all of your commands get logged to your bash history.
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2363 [18:44:30] <heap_> i know
2364 [18:44:35] <heap_> but lot of cleaning etc
2365 [18:44:38] <heap_> so i need something as mc
2366 [18:44:40] <rhizome> heap_: did you run update-grub?
2367 [18:44:42] <jhutchins> heap_: Nothing's going to log modifier keys like f5.
2368 [18:44:51] <rhizome> whoops, i mean lokus
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2371 [18:46:35] <jelly> how do I coerce mdadm on stretch NOT to bring up md devices automatically? I have some ARRAY lines in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf that I want to be assembled at start. I have some others that should NOT be touched at all.
2372 [18:47:20] <heap_> jhutchins: but how
2373 [18:47:21] <heap_> in mc?
2374 [18:47:39] <n4dir> i am with jhutchins that the shell is a good way.
2375 [18:47:44] <jelly> however, since jessie->stretch, something starts them as md126, md127
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2377 [18:49:33] <rant> lokus: default behavior for some time has been to put all but default kernel in a seperate sub menu
2378 [18:49:55] <lokus> rant: i think i *just* stumbled on that.. rebooting now into 'GRUB_DEFAULT=1>2'
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2381 [18:50:26] <gladioacuto> hello
2382 [18:50:27] <rant> I noticed this when I installed the rt kernel
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2384 [18:50:50] <lokus> blech still didn't boot the right kernel.. maybe i went wrong somewhere. but i'm sure it's to do with the submenu stuff
2385 [18:51:20] * rant shrugs
2386 [18:51:49] <rant> I'm on a pi that uses uboot, and was never that savvy with grub anyhow.. lilo was more my speed
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2388 [18:51:58] <gladioacuto> hibernation freezes in stretch on my new lenovo thinkpad x1 carbon, what's going on? how to fix? never happened in jessie on dell xps13, I thought it could be a nightmare of the past...
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2391 [18:52:35] <rant> gladioacuto: do you have enough swap to fit the ram contents?
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2394 [18:52:54] <lokus> i don't really care to be that savvy. what i'm doing usually has always just worked- but i use centos more often and i dont htink it has submenu by default
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2397 [18:53:09] <gladioacuto> rant, 16 GB more than sufficient
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2399 [18:53:27] <gladioacuto> on dell I had only 8 GB
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2401 [18:53:42] <rant> gladioacuto: idk, was my best guess.. the swap has to be as large as the ram for it to work
2402 [18:53:56] <gladioacuto> rant, it is
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2404 [18:54:03] <petn-randall> gladioacuto: Have you checked the log files yet?
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2406 [18:54:27] <gladioacuto> petn-randall, not yet
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2417 [18:57:58] <lokus> rant: yes it was submenus, quotes are important when using that syntax apparently :) works. thanks.
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2425 [19:00:04] <rant> lokus: no problem.. figured pointing that out may have helped
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2429 [19:00:22] <n4dir> lokus: rant i didn't understand what the solution was.
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2435 [19:02:00] <tw> gladioacuto: does it actually freeze or does it just take a really long time to restore? The more RAM your system has, the longer it takes for both freeze and restore. Even if you're not using significant amounts of it, it still stores some minimum percentage, which I believe is 30%.
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2442 [19:04:39] <n4dir> ah, seems to be that: GRUB_DEFAULT="2>0"
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2444 [19:05:18] <lokus> n4dir: my original 'old' kernel and others were put in a submenu, and when you do the GRUB_DEFAULT variable, you don't just go in order 0,1,2 etc. you use the > to demark submenus
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2446 [19:05:41] <lokus> replaced-url
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2450 [19:06:16] <gunchyo> Hi, wondering how to upgrade to this kernel version specifically
2451 [19:06:17] <gunchyo> replaced-url
2452 [19:06:21] <n4dir> yeah, got it now, lokus thanks
2453 [19:06:28] <heap_> its strange that tool as mc doesnt come with logging
2454 [19:06:30] <gunchyo> I believe I'm getting this bug: replaced-url
2455 [19:06:38] <gunchyo> and it seems using 4.12 and some kernel options helps?
2456 [19:07:22] <jelly> dpkg, grub submenu is <reply>when you do the GRUB_DEFAULT variable, you don't just go in order 0,1,2 etc. you use the > to demark submenus: GRUB_DEFAULT="2>0" (replaced-url
2457 [19:07:22] <dpkg> jelly: okay
2458 [19:07:27] <jelly> lokus: thanks!
2459 [19:08:10] <lokus> :)
2460 [19:08:19] <jelly> ,v linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 --arch amd64
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2462 [19:08:20] <judd> Package: linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 4.12.13-1~bpo9+1
2463 [19:08:47] <jelly> gunchyo: do you have debian 9 installed? If so,
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2465 [19:09:20] <jelly> dpkg, tell gunchyo about stretch-backports
2466 [19:09:46] <jelly> ,v linux-image-amd64 --arch amd64
2467 [19:09:48] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80+deb9u2~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u2; stretch-backports: 4.13+86~bpo9+1; buster: 4.13+86; sid: 4.13+86
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2470 [19:11:03] <jelly> gunchyo: might also want to try the newer 4.13 one if you haven't already. If you have, just install linux-image-4.12.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 explicitely (once you enabled stretch-backports repo)
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2481 [19:14:18] <gunchyo> got it, thx
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2483 [19:14:29] <gunchyo> I will try the newest first but wanted to get info on getting the older one as well
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2487 [19:14:44] <gunchyo> just because the kernel bug info states people have no issues with 4.12
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2492 [19:18:26] <gunchyo> I am just curious, do I need to compile my own kernel image to include options for rcu_nocbs and/or CONFIG_RCU_NO_CB_CPU_xxx, or would these options be available in the 4.13 backport?
2493 [19:18:40] <gunchyo> just because I believe CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU_ALL was removed
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2496 [19:20:03] <vutral> is buster the next release after stretch?
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2499 [19:20:26] <gunchyo> yes
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2526 [19:33:58] <ChmEarl> gunchyo, the 4.12 bpo is backed up here: replaced-url
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2528 [19:34:21] <ChmEarl> cdn-fastly.deb.debian.org
2529 [19:34:30] <raffitheb> ciao
2530 [19:34:36] <raffitheb> !list
2531 [19:34:36] <dpkg> raffitheb: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
2532 [19:34:40] <gunchyo> ty ChmEarl
2533 [19:34:46] <gunchyo> I'm gonna try 4.13 first
2534 [19:35:07] <gunchyo> If anyone with a Ryzen proc wants to chime in if you're also having this issue please feel free, haven't chatted to anyone yet about this
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2536 [19:36:53] <ChmEarl> gunchyo, cdn-fastly will gobble all your RAM when you browse
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2538 [19:37:01] <gunchyo> why
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2542 [19:38:50] <kommunicate> if there's anyone here using github on debian, would you mind pasting your permissions for ~/.ssh?
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2546 [19:39:01] <kommunicate> for the life of me I can't get it to stop prompting for the key passcode
2547 [19:39:02] <zophyx> hi
2548 [19:39:22] <kommunicate> i'm 99% sure my permissions are right but I can't seem to get it to work
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2550 [19:39:30] <lokus> gunchyo: jw- that bug seems to have a pretty recognizable backtrace- how come you just think you're hitting it? presumably what you've found should fix it
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2552 [19:39:54] <gunchyo> lokus, right, I only just found it, I'm running ryzen-test to see if my CPU needs to be RMAed first
2553 [19:40:01] <gunchyo> since my system is offline now, as in, services down
2554 [19:40:22] <lokus> ic
2555 [19:40:24] <gunchyo> but, my main question is, since throughout the thread the mention of a specific setting needing to be on was removed from, I think post 4.12, if the 4.13 backport has the option
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2557 [19:40:38] <gunchyo> "I am just curious, do I need to compile my own kernel image to include options for rcu_nocbs and/or CONFIG_RCU_NO_CB_CPU_xxx, or would these options be available in the 4.13 backport?"
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2559 [19:40:54] <gunchyo> Not the most familiar with kernel settings and such, and the thread isn't the clearest
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2562 [19:42:11] <lokus> i'm not digging too deep (busy).. but skimming it, it sounds like you might need to build your own 4.12/4.13 frankenstein custom kernel, and twiddle with those CONFIG's. skimming it sounds like those configurables were added/removed or something between releases
2563 [19:42:32] <lokus> custom as in, potentially backport a patch or something. again guessing, haven't read much. back to work..
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2568 [19:43:23] <gunchyo> np thx
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2575 [19:44:42] <root> heheh
2576 [19:44:55] <root> i am root on all your bases
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2578 [19:45:11] <gunchyo> lol
2579 [19:45:14] <Guest41912> wuh?
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2581 [19:46:52] <tw> "make expert-level adjustments to RCU configuration". I wouldn't expect that to be on by default.
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2585 [19:48:25] <gunchyo> tw, seems in 4.13 you can set a kernel boot option and it should be the same as setting both non and _ALL settings
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2588 [19:48:33] <gunchyo> "So, in order to have the behaviour of CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU_ALL=y in 4.13 kernel, you need to supply boot parameter rcu_nocbs=0-XX, where XX is your number of cpus-1"
2589 [19:48:45] <gunchyo> but this is in reference to fedora's 4.13, not debian
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2601 [19:54:58] <jhutchins> gunchyo: Kernel parameters will work the same way, internal options may be different.
2602 [19:55:28] <gunchyo> ok, so even though replaced-url
2603 [19:55:45] <gunchyo> this comment details in relation to Fedora, the kernel parameters to set CONFIG_RCU_NOCB_CPU=y and (rcu_nocbs=0-XX)
2604 [19:55:49] <jhutchins> gunchyo: You can see what options Debian's kernel was compiled with in /boot/config<version>
2605 [19:55:51] <gunchyo> will still be present/"available"
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2607 [19:55:57] <gunchyo> ok
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2609 [19:56:12] <jhutchins> gunchyo: Debian may have different patches as well, but the options should work the same way.
2610 [19:56:14] <gunchyo> I don't wnat to compile a custom kernel as that will present compatibility issues
2611 [19:56:15] <gunchyo> ok
2612 [19:56:17] <gunchyo> ty :)
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2664 [20:21:14] <Paul--> hello
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2667 [20:22:17] <Paul--> how may I make a list of all installed packets , to clone installation on another machine ?
2668 [20:22:27] <Paul--> or to keep for the next installation ?
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2670 [20:22:48] <Paul--> I mean without manually install every packet
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2672 [20:23:08] <Tybor> Paul--: dpkg --get-selections
2673 [20:23:28] <Tybor> Paul--: dpkg --get-selections >my-list;
2674 [20:23:41] <Tybor> Paul--: then dpkg --set-selections <my-ist
2675 [20:24:21] <Paul--> with a simple pipe is possible resume the packet list , I mean a simple pipe without filters ?
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2692 [20:33:25] <buu> Here's a fun question, I have a running debian box, I can ssh into it, etc, it has a built in video output, I plug a monitor into it, blank, no signal
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2694 [20:33:30] <buu> if I reboot it, I'll get a monitor signal
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2696 [20:33:56] <Nicolas> Hi, here I did a lot of tests again nothing works to get some sound :(
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2705 [20:37:53] <ivan> buu: displayport?
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2709 [20:38:52] <buu> ivan: dvi
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2712 [20:39:33] <ivan> buu: xrandr --auto used to fix that for me on nvidia
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2714 [20:40:02] <buu> It's just a builtin intel graphics adapter
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2719 [20:41:42] <ivan> maybe CTRL+ALT+F1, CTRL+ALT+F7 will trigger a detection?
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2722 [20:42:37] <r3> Nicolas: I am sorry you are still having this issue - you've been at it for some time! :(
2723 [20:43:32] <Nicolas> r3 Can the phonon vlc be involved?
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2726 [20:44:01] <buu> ivan: nope =[
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2731 [20:45:55] <ivan> buu: you might have a monitor that doesn't do the right thing, whatever that is
2732 [20:46:08] <ivan> or your DE isn't doing the redetecting it should be doing
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2740 [20:48:08] <tw> buu: is it booting into graphical or console?
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2742 [20:48:57] <r3> Nicolas: I am sorry, but I don't know anything about phonon vlc, maybe someone else here does
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2746 [20:49:58] <buu> tw: console
2747 [20:50:00] <buu> it has no graphics
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2752 [20:50:43] <tw> Are you plugging a keyboard in at the same time?
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2756 [20:53:03] <tw> A weird, and rather annoying thing I've had happen before with some bioses is the keyboard not getting attached to the console. The console sleep thing is normal, usually you have to press a key to wake the console up from blanking.
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2760 [20:54:33] <buu> tw: I am actually
2761 [20:54:39] <buu> I get capslock but no monitor
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2766 [20:57:07] <tw> maybe consoleblank=0 kernel arg?
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2771 [21:01:31] <buu> I mean, this happens to me on a lot of different debian machines
2772 [21:01:36] <buu> Maybe it is the monitor
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2780 [21:03:05] <buu> Year 2017 in which 'Print Server' is automatically selected in tasksel but not 'ssh server'
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2808 [21:19:33] <crucify_me> hi can I run hadoop on vagrant vm's on a not-very-powerful debian 9 machine?
2809 [21:20:10] <crucify_me> for learning purposes?
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2813 [21:22:11] <tw> crucify_me: if it has sufficient ram and vt-x or svm, there's no reason why you couldn't.
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2815 [21:23:26] <crucify_me> tw thank you, do you know if virtualbox has its own vm's, so I could forego vagrant, or what would you suggest in that matter?
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2818 [21:24:00] <tw> you can install whatever you want in a VM.
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2820 [21:24:53] <tw> If you want to install debian in a vbox VM, you give it the install iso and proceed as normal.
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2824 [21:25:35] <crucify_me> ok, tw I thought I read somewhere that virtualbox provides actual vm instances, but can't find the article. does that make sense?
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2826 [21:25:52] <tw> like pre-installed images?
2827 [21:26:01] <tw> Maybe they do, I've never used one.
2828 [21:26:22] <crucify_me> yeah.. ok. so a product like vagrant, should I just go with that?
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2831 [21:27:03] <tw> vagrant is just a templating system for repeatable environments, it depends on what your application needs are and what your software vendor wants to provide.
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2833 [21:28:07] <crucify_me> put another way, if you wanted to run hadoop on debian 9, on one or two vm's for learning purposes, what would you do? tw
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2839 [21:29:06] <crucify_me> like for tutorials and small data sets
2840 [21:29:09] <tw> My experience level is way different than yours and conversely my understanding of your eventual application is far inferior to yours.
2841 [21:29:32] <tw> If your tutorial site provides a vagrant VM, I'd use vagrant.
2842 [21:29:59] <tw> If it doesn't, I'd install another Debian instance in a VM and use that for sandboxed testing.
2843 [21:30:10] <tw> either vbox or virt-manager.
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2848 [21:32:08] <crucify_me> I see, thanks a lot. I had no tutorial in mind. oh vbox is short for virtualbox right? I had a hell of a time using virt-manager alone once. I had a vagrant instance set up for a lamp stack and had it working a long time ago.
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2852 [21:33:06] <crucify_me> tw ^
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2865 [21:37:41] <DelphiWorld> hi debianists
2866 [21:37:48] <tw> crucify_me: Yes. The wizard for virtualbox is easier to work with than virt-manager, somewhat. If you prefer vagrant and have experience with it, keep doing that.
2867 [21:37:51] <DelphiWorld> mariadb setup on debian not longer prompt to set root pass?
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2873 [21:40:06] <crucify_me> tw excellent really appreciate it.
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2876 [21:41:28] <donald> I have two os in the same computer with multiboot. lscpu return i686 for one and x86_64 for the second. I must have installed a bad version of na os. How to get information on the real hardware instead of the os?
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2881 [21:43:14] <josecapurro> donald: Can you post the output of cat /proc/cpuinfo?
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2885 [21:44:08] <josecapurro> donald: and uname -a, too
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2890 [21:45:04] <tw> donald: grep ' lm ' /proc/cpuinfo will tell you if amd64's long mode is available.
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2895 [21:47:17] <donald> twI do not see amd64 into the return
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2897 [21:47:42] <tw> donald: if you got any lines, then it is supported.
2898 [21:47:51] <donald> ok cool
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2902 [21:49:34] <donald> so I have definitely x86_64 processor?
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2904 [21:50:01] <tw> The fact that the x86_64 system booted at all was a good indicator of that.
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2907 [21:51:34] <donald> then should I install a debian 64 or 32 bits?
2908 [21:52:19] <tw> These days, I'd say the 64-bit version.
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2912 [21:53:06] <donald> thank you
2913 [21:53:10] <rant> yes when it first came out many things didnt work right on 64bit.. some things were not ported and the 32bit compat layers were primative.. but now 64bit is very mature
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2951 [22:17:53] <buu> is ssh root login disabled by default?
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2954 [22:18:06] <ctcx> ^ IIRC yes, it is
2955 [22:18:24] <JPT> I'm not sure. I remember root login being enabled out of the box.
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2959 [22:18:39] <ctcx> At least in latest Debian it is disabled
2960 [22:18:47] <buu> neat
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2963 [22:19:03] <JPT> Whatever it is, it is a good idea to disable root login (if it is still there) and also use ssh public key authentication instead of password authentication
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2966 [22:19:24] <greycat> sshd PermitRootLogin is "No" by default in stretch, but it was "Yes" by default in earlier releases
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2969 [22:19:46] <ctcx> It has been default No since Jessie
2970 [22:19:52] <greycat> oh, hm
2971 [22:19:58] <ctcx> Yes sir, I remember.
2972 [22:20:05] <ctcx> ^
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2974 [22:20:14] <Error5013> Hello
2975 [22:20:17] <JPT> If you're curious about setting up openssh, perhaps this might be an interesting read to get some inspiration: replaced-url
2976 [22:20:26] <greycat> also man sshd_config
2977 [22:20:32] <Error5013> Has anyone seen this error message before? replaced-url
2978 [22:21:24] <rant> they say a picture is worth a thousand words but sometimes words are preferred
2979 [22:21:34] <Error5013> rant, why?
2980 [22:21:39] <greycat> *plonk*
2981 [22:21:41] <Error5013> command line client?
2982 [22:22:16] <greycat> And so the social divide between the people who know Unix and the people who use Desktop Environments grows, ever wider.
2983 [22:22:41] <Error5013> it said "Error: The file you have requested is infected with a virus, for $15.99 we can restore your files" and has a paypal link
2984 [22:22:52] <ctcx> I was reading a comic in .rar format using comix program. After finishing it I deleted the file (deleted, not send to trashbin) and the comix folders inside .config and .local. But realized I hadn't closed comix itself! It was still open with the file
2985 [22:23:02] <ctcx> Using Debian with gnome desktop
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2987 [22:23:12] <rant> Error5013: ahh.. ransomware.. heh.. you got this on a debian system?
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2989 [22:23:16] <ctcx> Any harm to the file or Debian itself?
2990 [22:23:27] <Error5013> The file won't open
2991 [22:23:32] <preaction> rant: their picture is porn. they don't have any error at all
2992 [22:23:32] <Error5013> Debian works fine
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2994 [22:23:44] <Error5013> preaction: way to spoil the fun, bitch
2995 [22:23:45] <ctcx> Mr greycat ?
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2997 [22:23:49] <JPT> Error5013: You should consider double-checking your links. This one is not safe for work.
2998 [22:23:50] <rant> heh
2999 [22:23:54] <Error5013> was trying to make people click it
3000 [22:23:58] <preaction> Error5013: wah wah wah
3001 [22:24:03] <Error5013> JPT: it was a trick
3002 [22:24:07] <Error5013> there is no error
3003 [22:24:10] <JPT> go to ##chat
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3005 [22:24:26] <mtn> ctcx, no, you should be fine
3006 [22:24:42] <Error5013> JPT: i would but need register to talk. staff keep deleting my accounts on Nick serv
3007 [22:25:03] <preaction> i wonder why
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3009 [22:25:21] <jelly-home> buu: it's only allowed via key-based auth by default on stretch
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3013 [22:25:55] <greycat> in any case, you can edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config and set it however you want.
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3015 [22:26:08] <ctcx> greycat, mtn: I heard if using command line without any graphic DE there is no harm at all, but could be if using DE, such as "ghost" disk space being used, orphaned file links or the like...
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3017 [22:26:14] <ctcx> This is what worries me
3018 [22:26:21] <greycat> ctcx: I use X, but I don't use a Desktop Environment.
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3022 [22:26:44] <ctcx> greycat: ok, meant whether using a DE or X
3023 [22:27:36] <ctcx> ????
3024 [22:27:38] <greycat> a DE uses a whole lot more memory, and generally has a lot more fancy bells and whistles, more processes running, more confusing internals, etc.
3025 [22:28:00] <greycat> beyond that, I don't understand what you're asking
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3032 [22:29:04] <mtn> ctcx, if you delete a file or folder with the gui, it is just as deleted as if you used the command line
3033 [22:29:31] <greycat> If you delete a file that is still opened by some program, the disk space is not freed until the program exits or closes the file.
3034 [22:29:33] <rant> not necessarily most GUI filemanagers use a trash directory
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3039 [22:30:07] <ctcx> greycat: what if I did close the program, but only afterwards, and rebooted PC?
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3041 [22:30:19] <rant> and in that regard and perhaps what this user is speaking of is things like trash, thumbnails, and other features that such programs use to cache data
3042 [22:30:20] <greycat> I have never used "comix". I know nothing about it.
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3046 [22:30:45] <ctcx> greycat: what I'm asking is, if after doing my stupidity if my system suffered some small invisible damage and need to re-clean install Debian...
3047 [22:30:51] <greycat> No.
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3049 [22:31:00] <greycat> That would be silly.
3050 [22:31:05] <mtn> ctcx, no, as I said earlier. you are fine
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3052 [22:31:29] <ctcx> greycat: let alone the particular program, just take it as if any other program, say, libreoffice
3053 [22:31:44] <greycat> ctcx: If you delete a file that is still opened by some program, the disk space is not freed until the program exits or closes the file.
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3056 [22:32:34] <rant> ctcx: as long as you are not doing something as root, any damage you may cause is restricted to your homedir, maybe some /tmp files, and any /media devices you had mounted
3057 [22:32:46] <greycat> but there isn't any "damage" here
3058 [22:32:52] <rant> ctcx: it will not affect the system as a whole
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3064 [22:33:37] <ctcx> greycat: if I just close the program, disk space is fred, no "orphaned" soft/hard links or files, and my home directory is just fine?
3065 [22:33:43] <greycat> yes
3066 [22:33:47] <ctcx> (perhaps also rebootinf Debian?)
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3068 [22:34:14] <rant> ctcx: in linux all settings and runtime stuff is typically in "dotfiles" in your homedir. if you run Gimp for example, close the tools & layers dialogs and now when you run gimp in the future you can't figure out how to get those back because it remembered they were closed, you can always just deleted the "dotfiles" i.e. ~/.gimp/ or such and the program will run like it was freshly installed
3069 [22:34:14] <ctcx> <greycat> but there isn't any "damage" here
3070 [22:34:16] <ctcx> Really?
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3084 [22:35:31] <JohnML> XFCE configuer Printer -> HP Device manager is present and works :-)
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3089 [22:36:12] <jelly> ctcx: yes really
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3092 [22:36:33] <ctcx> Mr jelly!!!
3093 [22:36:38] <ctcx> How good to see
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3095 [22:36:52] <ctcx> So you have read my current issue as well?
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3098 [22:36:59] <jelly> you're probably confusing me with a different jelly.
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3101 [22:37:43] <jelly> ctcx: I wouldn't comment on it if I had not read it.
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3107 [22:38:07] <ctcx> jelly: thanks sir. And no, you just don't remember me (which may be for better).
3108 [22:38:12] <ctcx> But you have helped me before.
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3111 [22:38:58] <ctcx> jelly: since I'm still used to windows, where one cannot have duplicate hostnames nor delete currently being used files...
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3114 [22:39:41] <jelly> ah. Unix is different.
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3116 [22:40:07] <jelly> Linux mostly behaves like a unix. And Debian is (usually) a Linux OS.
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3121 [22:41:55] <ctcx> jelly: so having deleted the file was indeed a not orthodox action, yet not harmful at all for Debian, the file or my home directory?
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3127 [22:42:22] <greycat> Christ, how many times do you have to hear an answer?
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3129 [22:43:11] <greycat> while sleep 10; do echo "it's fine"; done | ctcx
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3131 [22:43:31] <rant> heh
3132 [22:44:21] <ctcx> got it, thanks
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3163 [23:05:04] <foul_owl> I know auxillary programs are supposed to be installed in /opt. Should I prefer to run them as root or a dummy user? (for example, in this case, a game server, zandronum) is the preference to chown dummyuser: /opt/zandronum ? Just trying to get perms correct. Thanks!
3164 [23:05:32] <foul_owl> My thought it better to run any sort of server not as root
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3184 [23:12:04] <NEOalquimista> Hi, people. With virtualbox out of the repository, what are you using for running virtual machines?
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3188 [23:13:11] <jelly> foul_owl: run them as user, let the files be owned by root
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3190 [23:13:27] <tw> ,v virtualbox
3191 [23:13:28] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; stretch-backports/contrib: 5.1.30-dfsg-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 5.2.0-dfsg-2; sid/contrib:
3192 [23:13:29] <judd> 5.2.0-dfsg-4
3193 [23:13:56] <tw> NEOalquimista: Seems to still be there...
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3195 [23:14:27] <NEOalquimista> I don't get it. It's not on stable.
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3197 [23:15:18] <NEOalquimista> I get a "package not found, but referenced by another package etc etc"
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3199 [23:15:25] <jelly> !contrib
3200 [23:15:26] <dpkg> [contrib] Debian packages that contain <DFSG>-compliant software, but have dependencies not in main (possibly packaged for Debian in non-free). To get contrib packages, add lines like "deb replaced-url
3201 [23:15:31] <jelly> NEOalquimista: ^^
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3203 [23:15:38] <NEOalquimista> Oh, right (: Contrib
3204 [23:15:49] <NEOalquimista> Thanks, i'll try
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3208 [23:16:34] <jelly> !non-free sources
3209 [23:16:35] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
3210 [23:16:46] <jelly> will probably also be needed
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3212 [23:17:02] <NEOalquimista> Okay
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3218 [23:20:40] <NEOalquimista> I have contrib and non-free set, also ran apt update, but still package virtualbox has no candidate for install. Do I need backports?
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3220 [23:21:29] <NEOalquimista> I'm on Stretch
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3228 [23:25:17] <tw> yes, you need backports.
3229 [23:25:37] <areyouloco> NEOalquimista: there is a official VirtualBox repo for stretch
3230 [23:25:38] <areyouloco> add this to your sources.list:
3231 [23:25:38] <areyouloco> deb replaced-url
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3233 [23:25:51] <NEOalquimista> the third party repo?
3234 [23:25:56] <areyouloco> yup
3235 [23:26:02] <jelly> NEOalquimista: did the bot say there was a version for stretch, or stretch-backports?
3236 [23:26:13] <NEOalquimista> stretch-backports only
3237 [23:26:23] <jelly> then you need stretch-backports
3238 [23:26:32] <areyouloco> NEOalquimista: backports
3239 [23:26:34] <jelly> !stretch-backports
3240 [23:26:34] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
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3242 [23:26:40] <NEOalquimista> all right, I'll consider the options
3243 [23:27:28] <areyouloco> replaced-url
3244 [23:27:29] <areyouloco> !dpkg virtualbox
3245 [23:27:29] <dpkg> Oracle VM VirtualBox is an almost free software virtual machine solution. To install, see replaced-url
3246 [23:27:47] <tw> bot might need minor updates.
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3254 [23:34:43] <L1zarT> need some help with a vpn connection that blocks access to webservces running on my debian system
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3256 [23:35:13] <L1zarT> anyone available?
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3259 [23:35:32] <buu> So I've got a kvm guest with two interfaces, both are bridged from physical interfaces on the host, eth0 is dhcp and eth1 is static ip
3260 [23:35:43] <buu> I can ping the host via the dhcp eth0 but not via the static ip on eth1
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3262 [23:36:40] <NEOalquimista> tw: I got virtualbox installed through backports, exactly as it was instructed to me. Thanks.
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3264 [23:38:20] <jhutchins> buu: Is the IP you're ping from on the same subnet & within the netmask? Otherwise you need a route.
3265 [23:38:36] <buu> jhutchins: yes.. the host is statically set to 192.168.1.2 on the bridge, the guest is 1.1
3266 [23:39:08] <jhutchins> buu: I've never had to mess with bridging, on my Vbox machines it's just worked.
3267 [23:39:27] <buu> I assume vbox creates the bridges for you?
3268 [23:39:37] <L1zarT> I am trying to figure something out on linux but my normal go to guy is unavailable and I really want to understand / fix this
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3271 [23:39:57] <L1zarT> I am using a reverse proxy, which isn´t the problem but I also use a ppp connection
3272 [23:40:07] <L1zarT> when it´s up I cannot connect
3273 [23:40:08] <jhutchins> buu: I assume it must do something like that, although I haven't seen a bridge created. Might be there, haven't really looked. Not running any VMs on linux right now.
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3275 [23:40:20] <L1zarT> so somehow my vpn blocks the access while I can access the reverse proxy from any pc in the same network
3276 [23:40:27] <buu> They pretty much have to be unless you do pure nat
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3278 [23:41:06] <jhutchins> L1zarT: That's sometimes called "split tunneling" or "multihome". What's happening is the VPN client is routing all traffic through the VPN, and there's no provision at the remote to let it reach the 'net.
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3280 [23:41:31] <jhutchins> L1zarT: Some clients are locked down to that so as not to expose the remote network to the internet.
3281 [23:42:01] <L1zarT> but what I don understand, why can I reach it from lan?
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3283 [23:42:19] <L1zarT> but when I port forward it doesn
3284 [23:42:20] <jhutchins> L1zarT: If you can tell us the client software, the server software, and the policy someone might know how to fix it.
3285 [23:42:26] <L1zarT> doesn´t work
3286 [23:42:50] <jhutchins> L1zarT: If I understand your situation, it's because you're forwarding EVERYTHING.
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3288 [23:43:38] <jhutchins> L1zarT: Is it the ppp connection that effectively blocks the internet?
3289 [23:43:50] <L1zarT> I use the standard ppp client, Debian 8, no iptables or firewall
3290 [23:44:17] <L1zarT> yes when I kill the connection the webservices are reachable
3291 [23:45:01] <L1zarT> I use a few webbased services running on 1 linux system. all reachable on my pc or through vpn to my home network
3292 [23:45:08] <jhutchins> L1zarT: Yup, everything's trying to go through ppp.
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3294 [23:45:46] <L1zarT> but when I port forward to 1 specific port I cannot rach it when the vpn is running
3295 [23:46:05] <L1zarT> I read something about creating a route on the ip-up
3296 [23:46:20] <L1zarT> but that didn´t work or I did it wrong
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3299 [23:47:41] <L1zarT> I tried to create iptables rules to alow traffic form and to but that didn´t worked
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3302 [23:48:40] <L1zarT> I´ve been working with Linux for about a year now and slowly progressing but the whole iptables and stuff still is a mistery to me
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3306 [23:49:27] <L1zarT> jhutchins: any idea how I allow traffic to these ports?
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3308 [23:50:15] <L1zarT> its a reverse proxy to allow https connection to at least one website
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3310 [23:50:31] <L1zarT> if that is working I an look at the rest
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3320 [23:54:02] <jhutchins> L1zarT: Not without seeing your WHOLE network/ppp/security configuration.
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3324 [23:55:00] <jhutchins> Proof obfuscated ports help but don't completely defend: I just got a burst of attempts on an obfuscated ssh port. Haven't had a problem for a while.
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3327 [23:55:12] <jhutchins> Oh, of course, because port forwardin was broken and I just fixed it.
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