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• 237[02:11:51] <lupus> i'm trying to get rtorrent to work as a systemd service, but it keeps failing, in the paste i have the output and my service file: replaced-url
• 238[02:11:52] <lupus> any ideas?
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• 243[02:16:41] <ivan> lupus: does the same command work outside systemd?
• 244[02:16:52] <ivan> maybe
• 245[02:16:53] <ivan> StandardInput=tty
• 246[02:16:53] <ivan> StandardOutput=tty
• 247[02:16:57] <ivan> or try tmux instead of screen?
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• 254[02:19:11] <ivan> replaced-url
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• 258[02:20:37] <lupus> ivan: /usr/bin/screen -d -m -fa -S rtorrent /usr/bin/rtorrent works as root, but not as my regular user ..
• 259[02:20:40] <lupus> wierd
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• 262[02:21:11] <ivan> do you already have an -S rtorrent?
• 263[02:21:25] <lupus> screen -ls return empty
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• 270[02:23:20] <lupus> ivan: that service from the arch site i have also tried, did not work either
• 271[02:23:41] <ivan> one of the reasons I stopped using screen is that it sometimes didn't work
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• 274[02:24:04] <ivan> though I guess there could be an rtorrent-related thing going on there
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• 278[02:25:08] <lupus> i could try with tmux instead
• 279[02:25:31] <lupus> it's just a VM i'm communicating with through RPC from my main pc
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• 304[02:38:47] <lupus> guess i could add a cron @reboot to just start rtorrent ?
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• 359[03:09:31] <Hello> Hello, how do i set multiple wifi ssid in etc/network/interfaces
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• 363[03:10:04] <Hello> I want to connect to known wifis automatically
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• 380[03:19:25] <abff> I use NetworkManager
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• 486[04:28:02] <babs> so lightdm just opened and I dont have keyboard or mouse access
• 487[04:28:13] <babs> nor can I switch ttys apparently
• 488[04:28:17] <babs> any ideas?
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• 508[04:45:51] <flipper887> What is the status on Buster?
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• 514[04:49:09] <cujotus> debian rox
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• 818[09:56:43] <sanjarkhan> hello, can anybody help me for nvidia driver installation ?
• 819[09:57:15] <well_laid_lawn> !nvidia
• 820[09:57:15] <dpkg> Where possible, Nvidia graphic processing units are supported using the open source <nouveau> driver on Debian systems by default. To install the proprietary "nvidia" driver, see replaced-url
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• 894[10:55:48] <freemint> Hello i want to write a text-based server game. For that i would like configure the ssh server so that anybody can join without authentification. The user should be dropped in to a custom shell (the game login screen) and he should not be able to execute any linux commands. How do i do that?
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• 896[10:56:46] <klys> freemint, are you doing it in C ?
• 897[10:57:19] <freemint> No the game is written in interpreted language
• 898[10:57:35] <klys> python? ruby?
• 899[10:57:49] <freemint> lisp dialect
• 900[10:58:20] <freemint> How is that relevant?
• 901[10:58:37] <klys> well I have some C code samples for simple things
• 902[10:59:11] <klys> and more complex things, though I don't do polish notation.
• 903[10:59:15] <freemint> How would that help?
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• 905[10:59:48] <klys> I guess it wouldn't, seeing as you don't want to use C.
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• 907[11:00:02] <freemint> I got my hands on a certain lisp already and also have picked a database
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• 913[11:01:05] <klys> oh, I misread s/shell/ssh/
• 914[11:01:24] <zebu> Hi ! Does someone have successfully install (manually) G'MIC 2 ? I explain : in Debian 9, G'MIC package still old, and the G'MIC GUI (in GIMP) ask to upgrade... I do what they say : 1) getting G'MIC for GIMP (v >= 2.8 : this is the case in "Stretch"). I load & unzip "gmic_gimp_qt_linux64.zip" as they say, and put (as root) "gmic_gimp_qt" in "/usr/lib/gimp/2.0/plug-ins/" as they say. But, if I run GIMP, it's still the old G'MIC used. ...
• 915[11:01:33] <klys> you need a chroot jail usually if they can't execute any commands
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• 917[11:02:06] <zebu> ... 2) In the G'MIC page (gmic.eu), there are 2 .deb : one for Debian 7 and one for Debian 8. Nothing for Debian 9. How to do ?
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• 927[11:07:23] <zebu> 3) The file gmic_gimp_qt is an executable, not a plugin (shared lib). If I try to run it (in a shell) it says it can't load libpng12.so.0. In Stretch, libpng is not more libpng12 but libpng16-16. So I should understand there is no package/zip of G'MIC for Stretch ?!
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• 930[11:09:49] <bazhang> .v gmic
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• 932[11:09:58] <bazhang> ,v gmic
• 933[11:10:00] <judd> Package: gmic on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.5.1.6+dfsg-4; jessie: 1.6.0.1-1; stretch: 1.7.9+zart-4; buster: 1.7.9+zart-4+b1; sid: 1.7.9+zart-4+b1
• 934[11:10:07] <klys> zebu, why not install libpng12 from your local debian mirror?
• 935[11:10:42] <bazhang> that above is a plugin for the gmic I just got the bot to show
• 936[11:11:16] <klys> zebu, perhaps you should try this apt-get install gmic
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• 948[11:16:55] <zebu> klys: in debian 9 there is NO libpng12 but libpng16-16 instead
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• 952[11:17:29] <klys> zebu, did you try the latter suggestion yet?
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• 954[11:17:59] <zebu> klys: + gmic in stretch is old/fashioned/v1.7
• 955[11:18:35] <zebu> I still have THIs v1.7 GMIC in GIMP. I just want to upgrade GMIC to v2. But I can't.
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• 957[11:20:28] <klys> zebu, get your debs replaced-url
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• 960[11:23:33] <zebu> klys: no. it's no good. there are only deb7/deb8 packages.
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• 962[11:24:06] <klys> zebu, if your package is linked against one of those why not install it?
• 963[11:25:40] <klys> if you don't want to install binaries for libpng12, another option may be to compile it yourself. the sources are there in the directory I linked you to.
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• 1017[11:56:11] <Phrk_> hello, trying to install debian on arm board, but get this on u-boot : error ethernet@xxx address not set no ethernet found
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• 1019[11:56:39] <Phrk_> it's weird cause 5min it's was running arch without any problem :'(
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• 1021[11:58:52] <domovoy> hi
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• 1026[12:01:11] <domovoy> i'd like `date -d "last Monday 8:00" "+%s"` to display `date -d "today 8:00" "+%s"` if today is monday. Is there a way to ask date to do that? Or do i have to test for what day is today and call it differently?
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• 1047[12:12:39] <Phrk_> any help on installing debian on armboard ?
• 1048[12:12:45] <Phrk_> there is a big bug
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• 1053[12:18:06] <freemint> Phrk_: I have no idea but you seem to have done something wrong
• 1054[12:18:29] <Phrk_> i have this : replaced-url
• 1055[12:18:37] <Phrk_> i'm not using armbian
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• 1059[12:20:40] <freemint> have you tred using another fs ?
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• 1070[12:29:17] <sverzel> I know about limits.conf, but is there a way to instruct Debian to always leave an amount of memory for the system? E.g. 200 MB. limits.conf is a per-user configuration, I'm looking for a system wide policy of declining memory allocations if there is less than X MB of memory available.
• 1071[12:30:31] <Phrk_> freemint, ? how can i choose ?
• 1072[12:30:56] <Phrk_> i don't even understand why 2 upload to the sdcard it will break the other one ?
• 1073[12:31:01] <Phrk_> jeez that doc is ugly
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• 1099[12:47:43] <obelisk> but
• 1100[12:47:48] <obelisk> the command at script require admin
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• 1134[13:03:25] <Phrk_> ok now i'm stuck in busybox
• 1135[13:03:45] <Phrk_> is there a way to launch the debian installer ?
• 1136[13:04:04] <gpunk> exit ?
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• 1165[13:14:46] <zebu> for about GMIC 2 installation in Stretch, I'm compiling it all. So I can use libpng16 instead of precompiled GMIC2 requiring libpng12
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• 1167[13:15:39] <Phrk_> it's was sbin/debian-installer
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• 1183[13:26:50] <zebu> \o/ compilation ok. install (copy) ok. run ok. I even can use both G'MICs (v1.7 & v2... while I do not uninstall G'MIC 1.7). \o/
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• 1246[13:58:36] <pppktz> Hi guys! I am setting up an apache server on my Debian machine. I have added some virtualhost to apache conf on the same ip. Based on apache documentation the conf is set up correctly, however my sytems just ignore it. Does anyone have any experience setup webserver on debian?
• 1247[13:58:56] <SirLagz> pppktz: paste up the config somewhere so we can see?
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• 1249[13:59:43] <Droid_Dolphin_88> pppktz, please place you're configuration files on replaced-url
• 1250[13:59:53] <pppktz> doing
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• 1254[14:02:07] <Droid_Dolphin_88> pppktz, please refer to the guide replaced-url
• 1255[14:02:26] <zxcvbn> pppktz: based on apache documentation, your config should pass an apachectl configtest and new host could be enabled/disabled by a2ensite/a2dissite
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• 1258[14:02:49] <Droid_Dolphin_88> pppktz, please include the output og uname -r in you're paste
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• 1260[14:03:08] <pppktz> based on the test, it picks up my new servernames, here is my config : replaced-url
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• 1269[14:06:19] <Droid_Dolphin_88> to my knoledge is'ny /var the volitile file system,?
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• 1277[14:08:28] <pppktz> sorry i did not get it, what it og uname -r
• 1278[14:08:45] <zxcvbn> pppktz: your config doesnt work at all or server names/root directories are wrong? top servername has aliases as bottom servername
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• 1280[14:08:57] <halt> Hi guys, I'm having some trouble with one of my cron-ed command, the same thing run just fine from an interactive shell but on cron it is falling apart, any recommendation how to start the debugging ? Probably not specific to this OS but was not sure where is the best place to ask about it, can someone point me to the right direction ?
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• 1283[14:09:37] <pppktz> zxcvbn the default server is working, only subdomains are crashed, (I have commented out ServerAliases since I pasted and nothing chenged)
• 1284[14:10:09] <zxcvbn> halt: interactive shell is bash and cron shell could be 'sh' (they are different), also check environment ('env') and $PATH
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• 1292[14:13:03] <zxcvbn> halt: start the debugging by redirecting stdout and stderr to some file
• 1293[14:13:50] <halt> That is done the issue is that I can't reproduce the error seen in cron on an interactive shell
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• 1295[14:14:43] <halt> the sh vs. bash I also tried ( running bash from sh in cron )
• 1296[14:14:52] <halt> so it must be ENV
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• 1319[14:24:04] <zxcvbn> pppktz: i copypasted your cfg, commented ServerAliases and did apachectl restart and it works as it should (returning different results when requesting different VirtualHost). You could try removing other config files, if you have any.
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• 1331[14:29:40] <cristian_c> hi
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• 1334[14:30:07] <cristian_c> when I use mozplugger, opening pdf files, I notice a strange behaviour about input events. If I use arrow keys on keyboard, they don't work, but if I use the mouse wheel scrolling, it works, instead
• 1335[14:30:24] <cristian_c> How could I fix the issue for embedded pdf files using it?
• 1336[14:30:30] <cristian_c> any ideas?
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• 1341[14:32:20] <themill> wow... mozplugger still exists?
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• 1348[14:35:48] <SirLagz> will the php-cgi package be moved into Jessie? or is it going to be a purely stretch thing?
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• 1351[14:36:23] <SirLagz> in Jessie, php-cgi doesn't exist, but php5-cgi does. Stretch has php-cgi which points to php7-cgi
• 1352[14:36:25] <cristian_c> themill: yes, it's currently present in ddbian
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• 1354[14:36:34] <cristian_c> debian repositories
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• 1356[14:37:38] <cristian_c> themill: not all the browsers hsve an own pdf builtin reader
• 1357[14:37:39] <flipper887> themill, Just use chromium aas it uses x264 to decrypt encrypted/drm protected youtube content and with out the system resource overhead.
• 1358[14:37:49] <cristian_c> or builtin media player
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• 1362[14:40:04] <halt> zxcvbn: It was a missing ENV variable thx for the suggestion
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• 1370[14:43:16] <themill> cristian_c: I don't know that mozplugger offers anything beyond what firefox offers on its own at this stage
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• 1372[14:44:22] <cristian_c> themill: there is a config file listing all the file extensions
• 1373[14:44:29] <cristian_c> supported by thst software
• 1374[14:44:35] <cristian_c> *that
• 1375[14:44:40] <themill> fsvo 'supported'
• 1376[14:45:32] <cristian_c> for some values of
• 1377[14:46:45] <themill> What browser are you using this with?
• 1378[14:47:08] <cristian_c> I pretty use midori
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• 1382[14:47:52] <cristian_c> but the issue is present in all the browsers
• 1383[14:48:15] <themill> I don't think either of midori or mozplugger have a future
• 1384[14:48:18] <cristian_c> themill: btw , thanks for the answer
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• 1390[14:49:28] <cristian_c> themill: I don't know if developers know that
• 1391[14:49:36] <cristian_c> about thenfuture
• 1392[14:49:47] <themill> midori is no longer in debian
• 1393[14:49:54] <cristian_c> :O
• 1394[14:50:12] <themill> ,bug rm midori
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• 1397[14:50:13] <cristian_c> (I'm still in jessie)
• 1398[14:50:14] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 1405[14:52:30] <cristian_c> themill: I thought it was removed from the repositories, reading 'midori is no longer in debian'
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• 1407[14:53:01] <Rovanion> Can I show the maintainers version of a config file?
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• 1410[14:54:20] <cristian_c> replaced-url
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• 1435[15:07:16] <flipper887> is thera utility to rip videos off of you tube in the debian repositories?
• 1436[15:07:31] <Rovanion> flipper887: youtube-dl
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• 1438[15:08:58] <RedSoxFan07> Rovanion: That's what I use.
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• 1441[15:09:09] <cristian_c> I don't know if it's allowed due to yputube license
• 1442[15:09:16] <cristian_c> *youtube
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• 1445[15:10:07] <gpunk> flipper887 ther is a youtube downloader
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• 1447[15:11:39] <p0g0> use VLC, offer it the youtube url as a network stream... it has a record button too.
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• 1451[15:14:10] <RedSoxFan07> p0g0: I just find youtube-dl to be easier to figure out than VLC for downloading Youtube videos. Well, once you get the config file set up.
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• 1459[15:23:47] <RedSoxFan07> Is it possible to have multiple desktop environments on a system without them messing with each other or otherwise causing problems? I'm curious because I'm running Debian on an older system and I think GNOME is too resource-intensive for it. I'm thinking about switching over the XFCE.
• 1460[15:23:50] <RedSoxFan07> *to
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• 1463[15:24:23] <jonnydepp> I used for two years gnome and xfce without problems
• 1464[15:24:32] <jonnydepp> just keep gnome and you'll be fine
• 1465[15:24:57] <RedSoxFan07> Okay. So, just install xfce and pick the desktop environment when I log in?
• 1466[15:25:01] <mtn> RedSoxFan07: making a new user for your other desktop is a good idea. keeps things clean and seperate
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• 1469[15:25:27] <jonnydepp> you'll have some space used by gnome, but it won't be a big problem. Keep gdm3, gnome and just install xfce, use update-alternatives to select xfce as default de
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• 1471[15:26:24] <jonnydepp> mtn how you can make a new user and install new de without using old de maybe not using gui at all?
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• 1493[15:38:15] <RedSoxFan07> jonnydepp: which dm should I got with? Should I stick with gdm? or should I go with lightdm because its lighter?
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• 1496[15:39:28] <jonnydepp> That's knowledge I don't have, Im trying now, but if you want to go safe way, stick with gdm
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• 1498[15:40:14] <jonnydepp> I can guarantee I used safely gdm, gnome and xfce together I wasn't unable to configure gnome3 theme on xfce, but the rest always worked
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• 1503[15:44:46] <jonnydepp> Does somebody know if I can have two users on a system, and share things like application configuration and data like .mozilla folder?
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• 1507[15:47:53] <gpunk> FF/Mozilla locks its folder
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• 1509[15:48:07] <gpunk> i dont think you can have two users using it
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• 1513[15:49:41] <SuperSeriousCat> If you want to share things like .mozilla, do you need 2 users?
• 1514[15:49:51] <ArlequInOut> jonnydepp, maybe with a symbolic link and the good permissions
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• 1548[16:13:33] <flipper887> Here is my issue my parents have a nearly 7GB itunes music librayr, however, I'ts all encoded as .m4p codec which I know can't be decoded via the gtreamer plugins packages.
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• 1552[16:15:12] <flipper887> How to I recode those aforementioned tracks into either .mp3 or/wav extension audio files?
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• 1555[16:16:58] <spacebug^> trying to get bluetooth audio to work. The device shows and works but pulseaudio does not list it
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• 1631[17:06:27] <shpingrlde> hello. when debian stretch (using xfce power manager) attempts to automatically suspend after hours of inactivity, it fails and a dialogue box comes up asking for authorization (the root password). how can I make it permanently authorized to do its job?
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• 1652[17:19:56] <RoyK> shpingrlde: file a bug - seems like something that shouldn't have happened
• 1653[17:19:58] <RoyK> !bug
• 1654[17:19:58] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
• 1655[17:20:16] <petn-randall> shpingrlde: That should be authorized over dbus, I think. Do you have dbus installed?
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• 1658[17:20:46] <irmen> flipper887: .m4p are drm-protected m4a (aac in mp4 container) files, you'll have to unprotect them first.
• 1659[17:21:05] <shpingrlde> I have dbus -monitor -launch -daemon etc
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• 1661[17:21:42] <shpingrlde> also dbus had an error message but it came up in a "notification", not a dialog, so I wasn't able to read and remember it very well
• 1662[17:21:43] <drathir> hi all...
• 1663[17:22:12] <r3> strange question time: how many Debian packages use the 'dpkg-reconfigure $packagename' convention? Nearly all? Is it the 'ideal' so most packages aim to be able to be configured in that way? I'm rather impressed with it and it seems to be better than manually editing several different and potentially cryptic config files.... mostly I am rather pleased with myself being able to fix a very
• 1664[17:22:13] <r3> strange error message from exim4 in that way and it got me to wondering as I am a Debian novice.
• 1665[17:22:37] <drathir> is anyone who can point to sane /etc/network/interfaces.d/ gre tunnel configuration example?
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• 1668[17:23:08] <irmen> flipper887: that's something you'll have to do via itunes/apple music store/itunes match, I think. Afterwards, .m4a files should be playable just fine without conversion
• 1669[17:23:09] <jhutchins> r3: It requires that somebody write a debian-compatible configuration script.
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• 1672[17:23:40] <r3> jhutchins: which, let me guess, lags behind the deployment of the actual package most of the time?
• 1673[17:23:50] <r3> (if at all?)
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• 1675[17:24:07] <drathir> irmen: mpd should handle them...
• 1676[17:24:11] <jhutchins> r3: For brand-new software yes, for the kind of stable mature stuff Debian deals with it's nt much of an issue.
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• 1681[17:26:39] <jhutchins> r3: I must admit that it's easier to just use that utility than to have to re-familiarize myself with the config syntax for exim or postfix.
• 1682[17:26:48] <r3> jhutchins: it's interesting to me, not having a ton of exposure to it, but the error I was attempting to fix really meant deleting 4 characters from a config file - now which is easier, to re-run the whole configuration for that package or just sneak into the config file and delete the offending option? The old system guy in me wanted to just tweak the config file, but I can see the benifit
• 1683[17:26:48] <r3> of using a package configurator if there are many confusing options needing to be set.
• 1684[17:27:15] <r3> or syntax, yeah!
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• 1686[17:28:03] <drathir> anything i try give misplaced option
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• 1689[17:29:28] <drathir> address mode endpoint destaddr local ttl
• 1690[17:30:00] <drathir> in use...
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• 1710[17:42:51] <flipper887> any one know where Ican grab the fluendo plugins packagings for debian
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• 1751[17:59:23] <diqidoq> INFO for those who need to fix sendmail install error of wrong config order, here is the fix -> replaced-url
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• 1761[18:03:03] <shpingrlde> action id="org.freedesktop.login1.suspend" was not set to <allow_inactive>yes by default, I changed it and hopefully it will work next time, we'll see!
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• 1796[18:23:26] <jhutchins> shpingrlde: Where was that setting?
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• 1798[18:25:14] <shpingrlde> /usr/share/polkit-1/actions/org.freedesktop.login1.policy
• 1799[18:26:30] <jhutchins> Gnome polkit. Should've known.
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• 1805[18:28:49] * petn-randall wonders if anyone still uses sendmail in 2017.
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• 1811[18:33:35] <jhutchins> petn-randall: Yeah, it's still an industrial grade standard.
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• 1813[18:34:06] <jhutchins> petn-randall: There are things it can do that the more modern knock-offs can't even come close to.
• 1814[18:34:32] <jhutchins> petn-randall: Unfortunately, very few people even have a clue they're possible, let alone understand them.
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• 1817[18:35:52] <petn-randall> jhutchins: I understand if you still use it because you know how to set it up for the last 20 years. But I don't think anyone getting into system administration as a newbie will touch sendmail. While it might be mighty, it's config is quite arcane.
• 1818[18:36:22] <jhutchins> petn-randall: No worse than exim in my experience.
• 1819[18:36:38] <jhutchins> Postfix is a little simpler.
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• 1821[18:37:11] <flipper8827> Oh the wounders of dir2ogg 16gb of ram and 70gb itunes kibraries
• 1822[18:37:23] <jhutchins> email is a lot more standardized these days, even Microsoft's efforts to make Exchange incompatible have been pretty much squashed.
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• 1826[18:39:14] <miskatonic> so what do big-scale sysadmins use instead of sendmail today? Postfix?
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• 1828[18:39:56] <petn-randall> I use postfix all the way.
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• 1830[18:40:21] <flipper8827> damn straight they have jhutchins
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• 1838[18:42:24] <flipper8827> That's is due in large part to the paradigm shift from private cooperate on site server farms to sas and cloud storage providers
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• 1846[18:44:23] <jhutchins> miskatonic: sendmail.
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• 1849[18:45:01] <n0t3rm> salveeeeeeeee
• 1850[18:45:25] <jhutchins> There was a period in the evolution of the internet when the security assumptions that sendmail had evolved in were shifting, and it did have security holes, but as quickly as stable alternatives became practical, the problems with sendmail got fixed.
• 1851[18:46:02] <n0t3rm> do you speak potugues
• 1852[18:46:03] <jhutchins> Very much like by the time grub was stable and reliable, the myth that lilo couln't boot to large partitions was ancient.
• 1853[18:46:06] <n0t3rm> ?
• 1854[18:46:10] <jhutchins> !pt
• 1855[18:46:10] <dpkg> Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt )
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• 1860[18:47:49] <l-b> hello! :)
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• 1871[18:51:28] <l-b> I installed a new Debian 8 and it seems like file (the program) is not included in the default packages. i checked aptitude and there's no "file" package. this problem is unfortunately not very search-engine-friendly. is there something like <something>-utils?
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• 1873[18:51:53] <petn-randall> l-b: What happens if you run 'apt-get install file'?
• 1874[18:52:00] <petn-randall> ,v file
• 1875[18:52:01] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:5.22+15-2~bpo7+1; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; buster: 1:5.32-1; sid: 1:5.32-1
• 1876[18:52:13] <petn-randall> l-b: It's in all releases. ^^^
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• 1880[18:52:43] <petn-randall> l-b: Also, Debian 8 is oldstable, is there a reason you didn't install Debian 9 (stretch)?
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• 1884[18:54:46] <l-b> petn-randall: I have a sort of obscure single board computer and that was the latest available image.
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• 1886[18:55:23] <petn-randall> l-b: Does it come with a custom OS? That might simply not have "file".
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• 1888[18:56:43] <jhutchins> l-b: What's the architecture? What board is it?
• 1889[18:57:06] <l-b> jhutchins: ARM, Banana Pi M2
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• 1891[18:57:31] <l-b> ah, the image I got is named armbian. according to /etc/os-release it's Debian 8
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• 1893[18:58:13] <jhutchins> ,v file -arch arm
• 1894[18:58:14] <judd> (versions <pattern> [--arch <amd64>] [--release <stable>]) -- Show the available versions of a package in the optionally specified release and for the given architecture. All current releases and amd64 are searched by default. By default, binary packages are searched; prefix the packagename with "src:" to search source packages.
• 1895[18:58:27] <jhutchins> ,v file --arch arm
• 1896[18:58:28] <judd> Package: file on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:5.22+15-2~bpo7+1; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; buster: 1:5.32-1; sid: 1:5.32-1
• 1897[18:58:39] <jhutchins> ,v file --arch armhf
• 1898[18:58:41] <judd> Package: file on armhf -- wheezy: 5.11-2+deb7u8; wheezy-security: 5.11-2+deb7u9; wheezy-backports: 1:5.22+15-2~bpo7+1; jessie: 1:5.22+15-2+deb8u3; stretch: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1:5.30-1+deb9u1; buster: 1:5.32-1; sid: 1:5.32-1
• 1899[18:59:03] <jhutchins> l-b: so actual Debian does have file, but armbian is not actually Debian and might not.
• 1900[18:59:30] <jhutchins> l-b: Find whoever supports armbian and see if you need to expand your repo definitions or something.
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• 1903[19:00:19] <jhutchins> l-b: replaced-url
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• 1905[19:00:54] <l-b> thank you for suggestion, jhutchins!
• 1906[19:01:02] <`levi> hi : )
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• 1908[19:01:42] <petn-randall> hi `levi
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• 1910[19:02:28] <l-b> just checking aptitude? not a good idea. there *is* a file package after all! :D
• 1911[19:03:25] <pppktz> zxcvbn thanks, for the tip, I will try it now
• 1912[19:03:33] <pppktz> zxcvbn: thanks
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• 1916[19:07:46] <jhutchins> l-b: There's also apt-file
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• 1920[19:09:23] <beaumarchais> hi, I know --no-install-recommends is an option for apt-get, but does it install recommended packages by default with apt by default on debian?
• 1921[19:09:24] <Divergenz> hey, is it possible to see all updates on "apt-get upgrade"? I never see which updates.. only the option yes or no
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• 1932[19:11:59] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: Do what now?
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• 1934[19:12:55] <beaumarchais> petn-randall: does apt-get install recommended packages by default?
• 1935[19:13:00] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: Is your question if apt install recommended packages by default? Yes, it does on newly installed systems.
• 1936[19:13:31] <beaumarchais> alright thx
• 1937[19:13:34] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: Very old systems that have been dist-upgraded might not have it set, I think it was introduced a release or two ago.
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• 1943[19:16:03] <jhutchins> Divergenz: Standard behavior is to display all packages to be upgraded. It's very odd if it doesn't.
• 1944[19:16:29] <simpledat> The following packages have been kept back: linux-headers-amd64
• 1945[19:16:30] <simpledat> What does this mean?
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• 1947[19:17:00] <petn-randall> simpledat: It means that package hasn't been upgraded. But it depends on what command you gave.
• 1948[19:17:20] <beaumarchais> petn-randall: got it thx. I've struggle to know if I should consider recommended packages as bloat now. They should never make a package don't work if I skip them, as if so they would be tagged as dependencies right?
• 1949[19:17:44] <jhutchins> Divergenz: You could paste the whole dialog at paste.debian.net
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• 1952[19:18:37] <simpledat> petn-randall: So what should I do? apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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• 1956[19:21:10] <jhutchins> !bat
• 1957[19:21:10] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 1965[19:22:41] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: Recommended packages are those that are not essential for the tool, but are expected to be there by most users.
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• 1967[19:23:22] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: So while you can run a xfce4 desktop without (the recommended) dbus, many things like shutting down, hibernating, etc. won't work.
• 1968[19:24:06] <petn-randall> beaumarchais: I install recommended packages by default, the few cases per year where I don't want this I use --no-install-recommends.
• 1969[19:24:10] <unixbassen> Does anyone know if there is a debian/linux tool for networking monitoring with realtime connections being shown on a map? kind of like little snitch does it for mac osx (replaced-url
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• 1977[19:26:01] <beaumarchais> petn-randall: I see, I will use this option per case then and let it default like you're doing. Thanks for the help!
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• 1979[19:26:40] <jhutchins> unixbassen: You could seek out the source for your tool and see if it can be compiled in Linux.
• 1980[19:26:51] <jhutchins> unixbassen: I haven't seen a tool like that myself.
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• 1983[19:27:41] <unixbassen> jhutchins: little snitch is purely for OSX, I just wanted to refer to it, becuase it helps describe what I am looking for :-)
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• 1992[19:29:30] <miskatonic> does dbus on stretch also work with sysvinit or does it depend on systemd?
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• 2001[19:32:04] <jhutchins> miskatonic: They're separate things.
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• 2009[19:34:19] <jhutchins> miskatonic: They do interact, but they handle different aspects of the system
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• 2011[19:35:28] <halt> Hi All, a crazy idea.. is it possible to trust an sudo token of a remote client ? ( so if I have a valid sudo token on a client, on the server I can also sudo without being re-asked for the password )
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• 2013[19:35:59] <jhutchins> halt: No.
• 2014[19:36:38] <_frostie_> when i try to build photoqt from source in stretch x64 >> replaced-url
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• 2021[19:39:18] <jhutchins> That's interesting. +g is blocking dpkg.
• 2022[19:40:17] <mirak> does anyone knows how to multiboot with uefi ?
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• 2024[19:40:29] <mirak> multiboot different linuxes
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• 2028[19:41:37] <mirak> I would need to have multiples EFI/linux1 EFI/linux2 in the efi partition
• 2029[19:42:08] <mirak> but I don't know how to control the ./EFI/${name} part
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• 2034[19:43:10] <petn-randall> mirak: The usual approach is simply to have grub take care of it all. You *can* of course try to create multiple UEFI entries, but that just complicates things.
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• 2036[19:43:40] <HisaoNakai> Debian Stretch. Please help me fix WiFi on my laptop. The card is rt3290, firmware-misc-nonfree is installed. It used to work earlier, but one day it just stopped working - it always shows up as 'unavailable' in the tray, and trying to turn it on does nothing. I tried blacklisting rt2900 drivers, to no avail.
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• 2041[19:44:09] <mirak> petn-randall, I remember now that what is not fine is having to go through the EFI boot menu
• 2042[19:44:54] <mirak> however even with the grub approach my issue is that I would prefer to have indepedent systems
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• 2045[19:45:48] <mirak> because with the basic grub approach, if the main grub.cfg is messed up for whatever reason, let's say rm -fr / in an os, then all other os are unbootable
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• 2048[19:47:12] <mirak> that's why before with bios, I was loading a first grub.cfg, then loading core.img from the os . This way it's isolated.
• 2049[19:47:59] <mirak> Now in ./EFI/linux/grub.cfg there is a grub.cfg that will load another one, but this one can't really be edited because it's overwritten at every grub-install run
• 2050[19:48:11] <jhutchins> ,v xchat
• 2051[19:48:13] <judd> Package: xchat on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.8.8-7.1; wheezy-security: 2.8.8-7.1+deb7u1; jessie: 2.8.8-7.3; stretch-backports: 2.8.8-11~bpo9+1; buster: 2.8.8-11; sid: 2.8.8-11
• 2052[19:48:43] <jhutchins> mirak: Your ubuntu install might handle it differently.
• 2053[19:49:29] <mirak> jhutchins, how is it on debian ?
• 2054[19:49:53] <_frostie_> it maybe can be easy (if it works) to run another distro in vmware instead of run 2 distros on the same computer
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• 2056[19:50:54] <mirak> not really, because I want to upgrade, and be able to go back to the old one
• 2057[19:50:57] <jhutchins> _frostie_: It's fairly common to multiboot different versions/releases/distros.
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• 2060[19:51:34] <jhutchins> _frostie_: In fact, that's actually the recommended way to run testing, because when it breaks (not if) you can boot stable and report it.
• 2061[19:53:00] <_frostie_> yeah i have never heard anyone who has ran 2 distros on the same PC. yeah its more easy if want to test a distro to run it in vmware
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• 2064[19:54:00] <mirak> _frostie_, with vmware you will not test the hardware compatibility of the Host
• 2065[19:54:26] <_frostie_> ok
• 2066[19:54:38] <mirak> or verify hardware video accceleration, opitcal sound passtrough
• 2067[19:55:04] <mirak> that's mainly what breaks when I upgraded the last time
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• 2070[19:55:56] <mirak> I asked on #grub some questions, but it seems dead, that's why I asked here also
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• 2073[19:56:58] <jhutchins> _frostie_: I've run three different distros on one PC with multiboot.
• 2074[19:57:42] <jhutchins> _frostie_: Some people share $HOME among multi-boots, but there's so much potential conflict in the hidden config files that GUI apps use that's not really a good idea these days.
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• 2076[19:58:05] <jhutchins> _frostie_: Actual VMWare is expensive, and player has issues on Linux.
• 2077[19:58:13] <_frostie_> ok so it works to have like for an example Ubuntu (if i only want to test the new version) and Debian at the same time on 1 PC?
• 2078[19:58:23] <jhutchins> _frostie_: Sure.
• 2079[19:58:40] <jhutchins> _frostie_: Or Debian, freeBSD, and Windows.
• 2080[19:59:15] <jhutchins> _frostie_: As mirak suggests, it's not as simple if you have uefi, but it can still be done.
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• 2085[20:00:02] <_frostie_> good, i have been thinking of do that when i test another distro (if i test another distro) or something because i didnt think it would work
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• 2087[20:00:46] <monsterco> I have an HP Prolient DL360 Gen 8 and Debian jesse. I have two SSDs as Raid 1 which show fine and OS is installed on it. I have two HDDs of 900gb in Raid 0 that I just created logical volume for. How can I mount these? pvdisplay doesn't even show them
• 2088[20:00:47] <jhutchins> _frostie_: replaced-url
• 2089[20:01:16] <mirak> jhutchins, I think it should be easier. It's just it seems the EFI entry linux create is hardcoded with the name of the distribution
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• 2091[20:01:57] <mirak> so installing ubuntu and debian along should be easy. But two debian versions or two ubuntu versions, I don't see how to create ubuntu1 ubuntu2 or debian1 debian2 UEFI entry
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• 2094[20:02:45] <mirak> I don't see such an option in grub-install yet
• 2095[20:03:28] <pppktz> zxcvbn: It works now! The issue was the missing dns register... thanks for the help
• 2096[20:03:33] <mirak> ho yeah, I think it's grub-install --bootload-id
• 2097[20:03:46] <mirak> --bootloader-id=
• 2098[20:03:47] <_frostie_> one thing that i want to test that ive been thinking on is PC-BSD its called TrueOS now?
• 2099[20:04:26] <mirak> have tried HURD ?
• 2100[20:04:30] <mirak> xD
• 2101[20:04:56] <williepac> you mirak?
• 2102[20:05:32] <mirak> I think I tried once in qemu
• 2103[20:05:38] <mirak> long time ago
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• 2106[20:07:24] <_frostie_> the BSD thing is interesting, have never run it. by anyways now back to my question: where can i find Qt5Quick package in stretch x64? replaced-url
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• 2116[20:11:26] <RedSoxFan07> dpkg: The differences and similiarities between Spanish and Portuguese are interesting.
• 2117[20:11:26] <dpkg> RedSoxFan07: that's too long
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• 2122[20:12:44] <_frostie_> would be easy if there was a binary .deb package for Debian also and not only Ubuntu/Mint ones on replaced-url
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• 2124[20:13:13] <RedSoxFan07> dpkg: huh?
• 2125[20:13:15] <dpkg> RedSoxFan07: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 2126[20:13:42] <metastable> dpkg is a bot.
• 2127[20:13:42] <dpkg> no idea, metastable
• 2128[20:13:45] <_frostie_> then i didnt have to build it from source i like build from source but it is at sometimes hard
• 2129[20:13:45] <RedSoxFan07> dpkg: I was just making a general comment. It wasn't helpful.
• 2130[20:13:45] <dpkg> RedSoxFan07: i haven't a clue
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• 2133[20:14:14] <RedSoxFan07> dpkg: Earlier in the conversation you asked about a Portuguese channel.
• 2134[20:14:14] <dpkg> RedSoxFan07: You are person #1 to send an unparseable request
• 2135[20:14:21] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: Dude, dpkg is a bot.
• 2136[20:14:31] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: Oh, okay.
• 2137[20:14:37] <metastable> !debian
• 2138[20:14:38] <dpkg> methinks debian is replaced-url
• 2139[20:14:50] <petn-randall> dpkg: are you a bot?
• 2140[20:14:51] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
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• 2148[20:17:09] <random_numbers> Hello there. I'm having issues with SIP. linphone specifically fails to even open a socket on port 5060 and 5600
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• 2159[20:20:59] <teraflops> random_numbers: locally?
• 2160[20:21:18] <Phantast> hi everyone, did someone knows how to config the tightvncserver on stretch with gnome?
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• 2173[20:24:04] <random_numbers> teraflops: Logs seem to indicate it fails to open a socket flatout, so naturally everything after fails too.
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• 2175[20:25:01] <teraflops> random_numbers: I mean, open a connection to a remote asterisk or whatever, listening on 5060/5600?
• 2176[20:26:07] <random_numbers> teraflops: I don't know. The error message I get is "Could not start tcp transport on port 5060, maybe this port is already used." which it is not according to lsof.
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• 2180[20:27:14] <teraflops> if yes, check something is not blocking those ports on the remote machine and/or if there is something listening there
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• 2183[20:27:52] <teraflops> random_numbers: checked netstat/lsof?
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• 2185[20:28:04] <random_numbers> teraflops: I would imagine that ekiga's sip server wouldn't be locked down.
• 2186[20:28:44] <teraflops> dang I think I have lag, sorry
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• 2190[20:31:46] <random_numbers> The error I get right before it is "getaddrinfo failure"
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• 2199[20:35:06] <teraflops> random_numbers: I still dont know what are you doing. I mean, you want linphone to connect to a SIP located <where>?
• 2200[20:35:09] <random_numbers> teraflops: Reinstalled. Now I'm not getting network error. I guess some of the recommends were mandatory...
• 2201[20:35:20] <teraflops> np then
• 2202[20:35:21] <random_numbers> teraflops: I have no idea where ekiga's servers are.
• 2203[20:35:24] <teraflops> x
• 2204[20:35:27] <teraflops> D^
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• 2207[20:35:55] <random_numbers> ZRTP being a thing makes take a nonissue.
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• 2211[20:37:03] <RedSoxFan07> teraflops: Where do you stand on the gigahertz vs FLOPS issue?
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• 2214[20:38:01] <teraflops> I'll eventually evolve to gigaflop like a pokemon
• 2215[20:38:11] <RedSoxFan07> teraflops: Maybe I should rephrase that as hertz vs FLOPs. Or maybe gigahertz vs teraflops.
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• 2221[20:38:51] <RedSoxFan07> teraflops: Do you think CPU speeds should be stated in hertz or FLOPS?
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• 2231[20:42:05] <matrix_architect> RedSoxFan07, people understand hertz
• 2232[20:42:51] <mirak> jhutchins, so i confim the grubinstall option is --bootloader-id=
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• 2234[20:43:14] <Ormu5461> \o
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• 2237[20:43:32] <mirak> now I don't know how to pass that option as a default
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• 2239[20:43:38] <RedSoxFan07> matrix_architect: Yes, but hertz are subjective.
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• 2241[20:43:59] <teraflops> RedSoxFan07: I think hertz sounds like a car rental company
• 2242[20:44:16] <RedSoxFan07> teraflops: Yeah, there is a car rental company with that name.
• 2243[20:44:17] <dTal> I don't think either hertz or FLOPS are particularly meaningful, how's that huh
• 2244[20:44:34] <dTal> would you measure a human brain in hertz or FLOPS?
• 2245[20:44:47] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: Which metric do you think is meaningful for comparing CPUs of different architectures and generations?
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• 2248[20:45:14] <dTal> I don't think there can be a single metric
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• 2250[20:45:37] <dTal> but how about "brainfuck operations per second"
• 2251[20:45:58] <Jonny234Depp> Hello, I'm moving from Kali Linux to Debian xfce, I'd like to have same theme as Kali, I've already got /usr/share/themes and /usr/share/icons from kali linux, can you help me?
• 2252[20:46:04] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: Alright. how about a few metrics?
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• 2255[20:46:42] <dTal> BogoMIPS
• 2256[20:46:44] <zxcvbn> debian has good brainfuck rate) lower than other distro
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• 2260[20:47:17] <RedSoxFan07> zxcvbn: huh?
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• 2262[20:47:31] <Ormu1> so I enabled multiarch in order to install 32-bit Wine. Now Synaptic and apt-cache return different results when searching for "wine32". This doesn't really matter for me but I think this might be a bug? see---> replaced-url
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• 2264[20:47:52] <teraflops> dTal: I agree, gimme beer
• 2265[20:48:01] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: Here's what I found on Wikipedia: "BogoMips (from "bogus" and MIPS) is an unscientific measurement of CPU speed made by the Linux kernel when it boots to calibrate an internal busy-loop.[1] An often-quoted definition of the term is "the number of million times per second a processor can do absolutely nothing""
• 2266[20:48:22] <dTal> what about it?
• 2267[20:48:26] <Ormu1> :O
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• 2269[20:48:31] <matrix_architect> Jonny234Depp, stay with kali. you will become a hacker
• 2270[20:48:40] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: teraflops: So, you guys are telling me there's no universal way to compare CPUs.
• 2271[20:48:42] <Jonny234Depp> kali failed
• 2272[20:48:45] <matrix_architect> it makes you hacker
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• 2274[20:48:54] <dTal> RedSoxFan07: that's correct
• 2275[20:48:56] <Jonny234Depp> after having upgraded freetype fonts broke
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• 2278[20:49:06] <Jonny234Depp> and tried to fix that problem downgrading freetype, system broke
• 2279[20:49:22] <Jonny234Depp> kali is a huge mess matrix_architect, I won't using it anymore
• 2280[20:49:23] <matrix_architect> kali wants you
• 2281[20:49:34] <dTal> a CPU's job is "all computable things"
• 2282[20:49:52] <dTal> pretty wide variety of problems it can be great or suck at
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• 2285[20:50:13] <Ormu1> RedSoxFan07: define "universal" ?
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• 2288[20:51:14] <teraflops> RedSoxFan07: at least hertz is used for comparing clock speed, but that's not all the stuff you have to consider
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• 2290[20:51:24] <dadinn> hi all
• 2291[20:51:24] <RedSoxFan07> Ormu1: A metric which can be used to compare any CPU of any generation or architecture. An objective metric which does not vary by generation and architecture. The trouble with hertz is that actually does vary by generation and archtecture.
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• 2293[20:51:52] <Ormu1> FLOPS is pretty universal then?
• 2294[20:51:54] <dTal> what do you mean by "vary"
• 2295[20:52:05] <teraflops> RedSoxFan07: that's a bit reductionist, there's way more stuff for taking into consideration
• 2296[20:52:07] <RedSoxFan07> Ormu1: I'm pretty sure it is.
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• 2298[20:52:28] <dTal> RedSoxFan07: surely if it doesn't "vary" it's a useless metric
• 2299[20:52:36] <Ormu1> but floating point performance is not a perfect measure of the capabilities of a CPU
• 2300[20:52:59] <Ormu1> meh
• 2301[20:53:05] <RedSoxFan07> Ormu1: True, but it's more objective than hertz.
• 2302[20:53:10] <Ormu1> yep
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• 2304[20:53:16] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: In the sense you mean, yes.
• 2305[20:53:29] <RedSoxFan07> Ormu1: It's a step in the right direction.
• 2306[20:53:31] <zxcvbn> hashcat 'hashes per second' rate is useful metric, in some use cases. it is for GPUs for sure but can be used on CPU too
• 2307[20:53:43] <teraflops> RedSoxFan07: I still believe hertz is the right unit for clock speed
• 2308[20:53:44] <RedSoxFan07> zxcvbn: Cool!
• 2309[20:53:50] <dadinn> I would like to ask for some help. I am trying to follow the Debian manual "Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System" using debootstrap...
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• 2311[20:54:06] <RedSoxFan07> teraflops: Try comparing a 3 GHZ CPU from 5 years ago to one from this year.
• 2312[20:54:23] <dadinn> replaced-url
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• 2314[20:55:27] <dadinn> my problem is after I reboot, I get a flickering screen of the Bootloader trying to find a UUID (possibly the cryptroot) but it doesn't go any further
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• 2316[20:55:28] <teraflops> you can always append m0ar zeroes
• 2317[20:55:33] <dTal> RedSoxFan07: I still don't know what *you* mean by "vary" - I suppose you want two processors that have the same "number" to have the same performance, but you simply won't get a metric that behaves like that
• 2318[20:55:49] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: Hertz IS the correct measurement for clock speed, as all clock speed indicates is cycles per second.
• 2319[20:55:58] <teraflops> anyway there are people here with support questions
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• 2322[20:57:01] <Ormu1> so I enabled multiarch in order to install 32-bit Wine. Now Synaptic and apt-cache return different results when searching for "wine32". This doesn't really matter for me but I think this might be a bug? see---> replaced-url
• 2323[20:57:04] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: In addition to cycles per second, I'd like to know instructions per cycle to get a better idea of the speed.
• 2324[20:57:45] <dTal> RedSoxFan07: you could for example measure how long it takes to accomplish a task, like computing a hash or a busy loop or brainfuck operations per second - but that completely ignores that CPUS can be specialized for sifferent tasks, and also important aspects such as cache and paralellism
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• 2327[20:58:18] <RedSoxFan07> dTal: What the hell is a brainfuck operation?
• 2328[20:58:29] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: cycles per second is rather useless. It appears to stay the same, when it reality it does not. I have a machine with a 2.93 GHz CPU. But
• 2329[20:58:32] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: replaced-url
• 2330[20:58:53] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: I never said it was useful. I said that Hertz is the correct unit of measurement.
• 2331[20:59:14] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: Kinda conflicting.
• 2332[20:59:30] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: If it's correct, it should be useful.
• 2333[20:59:37] <mirak> jhutchins, ok so if you are interested it's the option GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR= in /etc/default/grub
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• 2335[20:59:53] <dTal> dadinn: you're using GRUB?
• 2336[21:00:32] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: At that rate, why bother telling the speed in hertz? Why not just give it a name instead? Or just give it a generation number and a series number and be done with it? Like Intel Gen Seven Model 8? Gives you just as much information for comparision as GHz.
• 2337[21:00:33] <dadinn> the exact error message is SeaBIOS (version 1.7.5-...-gandalf) Machine UUID ...
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• 2339[21:00:48] <dadinn> dTal: yes using GRUB
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• 2341[21:01:11] <dTal> That doesn't sound like GRUB at all, that sounds like your BIOS and the UUID is unrelated to disks etc
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• 2344[21:01:25] <petn-randall> RedSoxFan07: Why not just compare the benchmarks of whatever interests you between the CPUs?
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• 2347[21:01:35] <daishun> hello. Can someone tell me why my alias doesn't work please. Alias is: ffq='sh /usr/local/firefox/firefox' but running ffq says /usr/local/firefox/firefox: 1: /usr/local/firefox/firefox: ELF
  
  : not found
• 2348[21:01:39] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: hertz, noun, the SI unit of frequency, equal to one cycle per second. For clock speeds, that IS the literal, dictionary-correct unit of measurement. That doesn't mean that clock speeds are useful for comparisons. There is no way to usefully compare CPUs in a generalized fashion; only comparisons of suitability for specific tasks are useful. Clock speeds are useful to indicate relative performance
• 2349[21:01:40] <metastable> among otherwise identical CPUs that have no other differing traits.
• 2350[21:01:50] <dTal> !offtopic
• 2351[21:01:50] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
• 2352[21:02:11] <dadinn> dTal: the disk setup is: separate boot partition, and another with LUKS + LVM
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• 2354[21:02:28] <petn-randall> daishun: I'm assuming /usr/local/firefox/firefox is not a shell script, thus /bin/sh is having a hard time interpreting it.
• 2355[21:02:45] <dadinn> dTal: what I am thinking right now is I might not have configured /etc/default/grub correctly
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• 2357[21:03:27] <matrix_architect> debian itself is configuring it automatically
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• 2359[21:03:39] <dadinn> I have GRUB_CRYPTODISK_ENABLE=y and GRUB_PRELOAD_MODULES="crytpodisk lvm"
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• 2361[21:03:52] <RedSoxFan07> metastable: I'm in agreement. Performance relative to CPUs of the same generation and architecture.
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• 2364[21:04:20] <metastable> RedSoxFan07: #debian-offtopic, there are support conversations taking place.
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• 2366[21:04:46] <dadinn> dTal: I have installed grub-pc on the main root device, but not on the boot or encrypted partitions
• 2367[21:04:50] <dTal> dadinn: but you can't get to GRUB? Even if it's misconfigured you should still get a grub prompt
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• 2369[21:05:02] <jonnydepp> How can I install themes on Debian xfce? download from gnome-look
• 2370[21:05:21] <dadinn> dTal: yeah I don't get to GRUB prompt
• 2371[21:05:37] <dadinn> the error message just flickers on the screen repeatedly
• 2372[21:06:01] <teraflops> jonnydepp: read the instructions?
• 2373[21:06:14] <dadinn> I have seen similar thing with Nixos when I didn't configure the encrypted device correctly
• 2374[21:06:20] <jonnydepp> teraflops and if I get a theme from another distro
• 2375[21:06:26] <jonnydepp> how can I install it?
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• 2377[21:06:52] <daishun> @ petn-randall oh yeah, sorry being dumb today
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• 2379[21:07:14] <MaxLanar> Hi. I'v upgraded (successfully) two debian boxes from jessie to stretch. The /etc/debian_version on both is set to 9.1. Is that normal ? Shouldn't it be 9.2 ?
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• 2381[21:07:24] <matrix_architect> jonnydepp, create ~/.themes and paste it
• 2382[21:07:36] <matrix_architect> but it should be compatible
• 2383[21:07:46] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: have you updated your repositories?
• 2384[21:07:47] <jonnydepp> then how do I select it?
• 2385[21:07:57] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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• 2387[21:08:04] <matrix_architect> jonnydepp, in xfce theme manager
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• 2389[21:08:19] <jonnydepp> and to change the pointer? :)
• 2390[21:08:25] <jonnydepp> the mouse pointer I mean
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• 2392[21:08:29] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: Also, which mirror are you using?
• 2393[21:08:32] <matrix_architect> dunno
• 2394[21:08:49] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: cat /etc/apt/sources.list
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• 2398[21:09:59] <jonnydepp> matrix_architect to change pointer how can I do?
• 2399[21:10:28] <matrix_architect> jonnydepp, there is also an option in mouse option i believe. i forgot
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• 2401[21:10:33] <matrix_architect> in mause setting
• 2402[21:10:40] <dadinn> dTal: Actually you seem right, this SeaBIOS thing is some low level stuff in QEMU (i am using KVM) so GRUB is not called at all
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• 2404[21:11:40] <jonnydepp> matrix_architect where should I put mouse pointer files then?
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• 2406[21:12:02] <matrix_architect> jonnydepp, i don't know about mouse pointer
• 2407[21:12:16] <mirak> jhutchins, but it doesn't work because the path /EFI/${GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR}/grub.cfg is hardcoded into /EFI/${GRUB_DISTRIBUTOR}/grubx64.efi
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• 2411[21:13:22] <Ormu1> hm, installed wine32-development via command line. *Now* Synaptic finds it when searching. Sounds like a bug? replaced-url
• 2412[21:13:49] <matrix_architect> jonnydepp, find a mouse pointer theme package in debian repo. download it and look at inside of it to see where it extract
• 2413[21:14:05] <MaxLanar> RedSoxFan07: Of course I did that :) I folllowed the official guidelines on debian.org on how to upgrade from jessie to stretch. Here the sources.list I used : replaced-url
• 2414[21:15:40] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: I noticed in your comment there that you have a crappy Internet connection, so you're kinda depended on discs.
• 2415[21:15:46] <RedSoxFan07> dependent
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• 2418[21:16:19] <matrix_architect> MaxLanar, i think i read the same issue on reddit.
• 2419[21:16:22] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: I've always found it helpful to comment out the discs. Seems to help with upgrading software.
• 2420[21:16:31] <matrix_architect> but i think it is already 9.2
• 2421[21:16:37] <matrix_architect> there must be a minor bug
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• 2425[21:18:30] <MaxLanar> RedSoxFan07: Now the DVS are commented, and "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" do not change anything
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• 2427[21:18:49] <MaxLanar> DVDs*
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• 2429[21:18:55] <RedSoxFan07> MaxLanar: I don't what to tell ya
• 2430[21:19:04] <SuperTramp83> matrix_architect: or /usr/share/themes for system wide installation..
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• 2445[21:22:38] <MaxLanar> Can you confirm that /etc/debian_version is set to 9.2 for you people ?
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• 2462[21:27:29] <MaxLanar> In replaced-url
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• 2464[21:27:40] <random_numbers> So, the linphone version found in debian repos is outdated and broken.
• 2465[21:28:02] <random_numbers> Meanwhile the flatpak version, with no particular configuration, works out of the box.
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• 2468[21:28:44] <MaxLanar> So mystery solved I guess
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• 2511[21:46:33] <boubou> Hi guys
• 2512[21:46:45] <boubou> I tried to shrink my /
• 2513[21:46:58] <boubou> using lvm and my box dont boot
• 2514[21:47:14] <boubou> :S
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• 2517[21:48:06] <boubou> anyone have an idea how to fix it ?
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• 2523[21:50:54] <teraflops> boubou: not really, because the lack of detailed info you gave.
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• 2526[21:52:47] <teraflops> boubou: anyway I think youll need to boot using a live cd/debian iso for fixing it
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• 2531[21:54:29] <petn-randall> boubou: It helps to give context, like the exact commands you ran, and what output you got.
• 2532[21:54:55] <petn-randall> boubou: I assume you took the system offline, shrank the filesystem, then shrank the LV?
• 2533[21:55:16] <petn-randall> s/shrank/shrunk/g
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• 2543[22:00:52] <Ormu1> so I enabled multiarch in order to install 32-bit Wine. Now Synaptic and apt-cache return different results when searching for "wine32". see---> replaced-url
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• 2547[22:04:06] <petn-randall> Ormu1: Did you update the package cache and restart synaptic since?
• 2548[22:04:15] <Ormu1> petn-randall: yes
• 2549[22:04:34] <Ormu1> and Synaptic shows those two 32-bit packages anyway
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• 2618[22:33:03] <jonnydepp> hey guys, to install Xfce in Debian installer is ok both Debian Live CD and Debian CD?
• 2619[22:34:03] <Megaf> Hi all, is there such a thing like apt install --reinstall world?
• 2620[22:34:08] <Megaf> to reinstall all packages in the system
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• 2622[22:34:24] <Megaf> jonnydepp, I think the LiveCD is XFCE
• 2623[22:34:25] <jonnydepp> Megas why?
• 2624[22:34:36] <Megaf> or at least I think there is a XFCE liveCD
• 2625[22:34:54] <Megaf> But I'd use netinstall and select XFCE in the installer
• 2626[22:35:12] <Megaf> jonnydepp, a reinstall world would be useful when switching versions
• 2627[22:35:29] <Megaf> I had a mix of Stretch, Jessie, Buster, Sid and Experimental here
• 2628[22:35:58] <Megaf> it was very, demanding cleaning up all the mess and going to Buster, then finally stabilizing on Sid
• 2629[22:36:30] <Megaf> But I wouldn't be surprised if I still had a lost Jessie or Stretch package somewhere
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• 2631[22:36:44] <TheRock> hello i heard windows xp is better than linux is that true ????
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• 2634[22:37:37] <Megaf> TheRock, Of course it is
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• 2636[22:37:42] <towo`> TheRock, troll elsewhere, please
• 2637[22:38:09] <Megaf> Windows XP is the best, and we can talk a lot bout that on #Debian-OffTopic TheRock
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• 2639[22:38:45] <TheRock> Ok, can you recommend me a channel where i can troll well
• 2640[22:38:45] <ha3mak> hi
• 2641[22:39:00] <ha3mak> I want to use UEFI boot with libvirtd
• 2642[22:39:18] <Megaf> TheRock, ##Windows best channel to troll around
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• 2644[22:39:19] <ha3mak> but after installking ovmf package there's no varstore file
• 2645[22:39:22] <jonnydepp> what the hell of logic is behind dpkg answer
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• 2652[22:39:54] <ha3mak> how should I configure libvirtd to boot UEFI?
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• 2669[22:47:47] <phinxy> Is it common to, instead of installing Debian Testing, install Debian stable with backports?
• 2670[22:47:53] <phinxy> Or arent you supposed to do that?
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• 2677[22:50:09] <teraflops> ha3mak: idk if there's a debian way, for other distros I just point "nvram =" entry at /etc/libvirt/qemu.conf to the proper location
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• 2679[22:50:51] <teraflops> e.g nvram = ["/usr/share/ovmf/x64/ovmf_x64.bin:/usr/share/ovmf/x64/ovmf_vars_x64.bin"]
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• 2681[22:51:23] <jonnydepp> I cannot understad how to install debian
• 2682[22:51:32] <TheRock> is it allowed to talk about jesus in this channel
• 2683[22:51:36] <jonnydepp> I found CD install, DVD install, live...
• 2684[22:51:46] <teraflops> TheRock: read the topic
• 2685[22:51:49] <jonnydepp> which damn iso must I download to perform a Debian install?!
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• 2690[22:53:40] <teraflops> jonnydepp: DVD/CD's are Ok if your internet connection is rubbish or if you have problems grabbing shit from internet because your nic is not supported by the installer
• 2691[22:53:54] <jonnydepp> teraflops but I found 3 iso on DVDs!
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• 2693[22:54:14] <jonnydepp> teraflops and xfce is contained on the name for CDs so I don't understand what does it mean(as I know debian is shipped with gnome)
• 2694[22:54:18] <teraflops> you just need a netinstall iso if you internet connection is sane
• 2695[22:54:42] <jonnydepp> teraflops and if not I need 3 dvd?
• 2696[22:55:19] <teraflops> jonnydepp: I'm not very knowledgeable about DE-branded isos, maybe someone else can help you
• 2697[22:55:43] <jonnydepp> teraflops omg I'm just asking for Debian plain simple install not anything branded stuff
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• 2700[22:56:03] <teraflops> then pic a netsinstall or cd1
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• 2702[22:56:27] <jonnydepp> why cd1 why so many ISOs?
• 2703[22:56:33] <dax> notably, the netinstall is the one that's linked at the top left of replaced-url
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• 2705[22:56:57] <teraflops> because debian ships a bunch of software
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• 2707[22:57:07] <dax> jonnydepp: because CD1 contains enough packages to install a desktop environment without networking, so if you care about that property of it you probably want to pick one with the right desktop environment on it
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• 2709[22:57:11] <teraflops> …and CDs are tiny
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• 2712[22:57:26] <jonnydepp> I've got 4 GB DVDs so
• 2713[22:57:29] <teraflops> heh
• 2714[22:57:37] <teraflops> jonnydepp: then youre fine
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• 2716[22:57:49] <jonnydepp> I'd like a full iso
• 2717[22:57:59] <jonnydepp> because I'd like to be able to install no matter if internet is fine or not
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• 2719[22:58:05] <teraflops> then pick CD1 or DVD1 I guess
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• 2721[22:58:33] <SuperTramp83> jonnydepp: the one cd iso named xfce is good, you install the system and then with tasksel select the DE.
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• 2723[22:59:18] <jonnydepp> what ois the difference between DVD-1 DVD-2 DVD-3 and so on?
• 2724[22:59:18] <SuperTramp83> yeah, you need only the first dvd
• 2725[22:59:37] <jonnydepp> Also, what do I get with 4GB install that I don't get with a 600MB cd?
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• 2727[22:59:54] <InSomN1aC> the difference its the number
• 2728[22:59:57] <SuperTramp83> the dvds are there for people who want to have their packages ready on DVDs, that's all
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• 2732[23:00:34] <williepac> id recomend against that unless you have a specific reason
• 2733[23:00:38] <mihi> johnnyfive, there are Gigabytes of packages which are available for Debian. With more media you have more choice of installing without needing Internet
• 2734[23:00:44] <teraflops> jonnydepp: since all packages do not fit in one DVD you have to name them :P
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• 2739[23:01:25] <teraflops> dpkg: please insert DVD-4 for installing cacafire
• 2740[23:01:25] <dpkg> teraflops: I give up, what is it?
• 2741[23:01:39] <SuperTramp83> hehe
• 2742[23:01:41] <teraflops> :P
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• 2744[23:01:59] * mihi had the "full set" of Debian woody (IIRC 8 CDs) and yes inserting the CDs was a PITA (it did ask more than once for the same CD)
• 2745[23:02:24] <teraflops> hehe
• 2746[23:02:24] <mihi> so once your internet is working, there is a good chance you will switch to network install only anyway :)
• 2747[23:02:40] <jonnydepp> ok my god what about the live?
• 2748[23:02:45] <mihi> (if you have multiple machines at home that need almost same packets, install the first and install an apt-proxy there for the next ones
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• 2750[23:02:53] <williepac> netinstall is def my favorite indeed it just overal saves so much time
• 2751[23:03:12] <jonnydepp> with netinstall do I have to choose with packages to install?
• 2752[23:03:28] <jonnydepp> which
• 2753[23:03:29] <williepac> you can choose during install yes
• 2754[23:03:37] <mihi> you can, you don't have to (it will install some sane base system if you don't)
• 2755[23:03:39] <williepac> like gnome/xfce/kde
• 2756[23:03:41] <SuperTramp83> yes, you choose what to install and can make it more barebones, jonnydepp
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• 2758[23:03:49] <teraflops> jonnydepp: live is not meant for installing the system, was broken for UEFI (idk if still broken), so if you want to install debian go use the debian installer
• 2759[23:04:36] <jonnydepp> almost all distro I come from are installed from live, even my very first linux experience with ubuntu was like that. What's with all these cd and iso? I don't understand and I'd like to please explain
• 2760[23:04:48] * mihi just started up a Debian VM, entered aptitude and pressed "+" on "Not installed packags (50405)" - guess it is a bad idea since dependency resolution is still running :)
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• 2762[23:04:51] * teraflops shrugs
• 2763[23:05:14] <williepac> there is only an installer
• 2764[23:05:17] <williepac> basically
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• 2766[23:05:50] <teraflops> jonnydepp: there's no explanation. preferred way for installing debian is debian installer
• 2767[23:05:58] <jonnydepp> dpkg: How are you
• 2768[23:05:58] <dpkg> jonnydepp: I think you lost me on that one
• 2769[23:06:04] <williepac> which let you select some configuration like username passwords and what to install keyboard you know basically a lesser pretty non live ubuntu installer
• 2770[23:06:29] <jonnydepp> ok
• 2771[23:06:29] <InSomN1aC> jonnydepp, nothing better then trying them and you will find out..go get yourself some CD/DVD download the iso's and there you go
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• 2773[23:06:53] <mihi> IIRC Ubuntu was the first distro which provided an install option from the live media. And I hated it at that time (first you get hundred of packets installed automatically, then they get updated online before you can uninstall them. Guess the experience got better in the latest years)
• 2774[23:06:54] <williepac> and it downloads the packages instead of installing from cd so its updated on first boot
• 2775[23:06:56] <teraflops> yeah try it and see, is not that hard, if you run into issues, ask here
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• 2778[23:07:16] <williepac> its pretty straight forward to do a base install
• 2779[23:07:17] <jonnydepp> netinstall will be fine as long as it doesn't start to install random software I don't need(vlc for example)
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• 2782[23:07:25] <williepac> it wont
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• 2784[23:07:55] <jonnydepp> Also Will I be able to select xfce and don't get gnome installed with netinstall?
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• 2786[23:08:06] <williepac> deselect gnome and select xfce
• 2787[23:08:09] <williepac> durin install
• 2788[23:08:25] <mihi> you will even be able to install without GUI during netinstall :) but yes.
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• 2807[23:11:10] <jonnydepp> where is the normal install I'm used to think that let you choose de in advanced something
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• 2812[23:12:08] <ascetik> I suck at configuring XFCE
• 2813[23:12:17] <ascetik> :D
• 2814[23:12:26] <jonnydepp> dpkg: so complicated
• 2815[23:12:26] <dpkg> jonnydepp: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
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• 2817[23:12:44] <jonnydepp> dpkg: this one is a really funny dude
• 2818[23:12:44] <dpkg> jonnydepp: I think you lost me on that one
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• 2821[23:13:04] <TheRock> Hello, i ran rm -rf * as root, what can i do now
• 2822[23:13:15] <williepac> in what folder?
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• 2824[23:13:16] <ascetik> kill yourself
• 2825[23:13:17] <jonnydepp> dpkg: rm -rf *
• 2826[23:13:17] <dpkg> jonnydepp: I don't know, could you explain it?
• 2827[23:13:18] <ascetik> :D
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• 2829[23:13:23] <teraflops> jonnydepp: there's a factoid called botabuse
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• 2846[23:19:11] <jonnydepp> where is amd64 Stretch Netinstall SHA256 checksum?
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• 2851[23:20:09] <jonnydepp> dpkg: sha256?
• 2852[23:20:10] <dpkg> no idea, jonnydepp
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• 2854[23:21:08] <TheRock> Hello guys. I have a file (kaiten.c) would like to run it for me on your box ?
• 2855[23:21:49] <mihi> jonnydepp, replaced-url
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• 2858[23:22:18] <mihi> TheRock, that one here: replaced-url
• 2859[23:22:29] <TheRock> yeah
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• 2861[23:22:32] <TheRock> can you run it plz
• 2862[23:22:50] <jonnydepp> mihi thank you very much
• 2863[23:23:06] <teraflops> TheRock: go play elsewhere
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• 2865[23:24:11] <jonnydepp> can you explain what is xfce name on cd1 debian ?
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• 2869[23:25:12] <jonnydepp> mihi can you explain why there is xfce name on cd1 iso?
• 2870[23:25:22] <TheRock> I'm sorry for that, I just wanted to say that linux torvalds made a great job.
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• 2872[23:26:05] <williepac> what does kaiten.c do after its compiled ofc?
• 2873[23:26:08] <mihi> because it contains all packets needed to install the XFCE desktop environment without internet connection (there used to be the same cds for KDE and GNOME a few years ago, but today a standard KDE/GNOME install does no longer fit on one CD)
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• 2877[23:26:43] <jonnydepp> mihi is that debian stretch?
• 2878[23:26:46] <TheRock> i will send you the compiled binary
• 2879[23:26:47] <jonnydepp> mihi because I want xfce
• 2880[23:26:57] <TheRock> and we will control your box from this channel
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• 2882[23:27:35] <mihi> jonnydepp, that does not mean you have to install xfce with that ISO (or that it would automatically). Yes, Debian 9 is Debian Stretch
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• 2884[23:27:57] <williepac> o wait nvm it says "Kaitan.c is an IRC based DDoS client."
• 2885[23:28:04] <williepac> no interest in running that on my box
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• 2887[23:28:05] <jonnydepp> mihi but with that iso i don't need internet do I?
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• 2889[23:28:17] <TheRock> but we can control it from this channel
• 2890[23:28:23] <TheRock> you will still have control
• 2891[23:28:30] <TheRock> i just type a few commands thats all
• 2892[23:28:36] <mihi> if all you want is XFCE, then not. But most probably you will want some other software too (and perhaps not all of XFCE)
• 2893[23:28:48] <teraflops> jonnydepp: you won't unless you want to install additional sw
• 2894[23:29:05] <teraflops> TheRock: again, go play elsewhere
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• 2898[23:29:23] <jonnydepp> what kind of additional sf, if it's like mousepad and ristretto image viewer is ok(I need them)
• 2899[23:30:29] <jonnydepp> also what's the name of gnome image viewer I'd like to install it in xfce(I don't like ristretto)
• 2900[23:30:31] <TheRock> I'm sorry, but I talked about debian/software
• 2901[23:30:37] <teraflops> jonnydepp: idk which debian packages are contained it that iso… but anything not there will require internet connection
• 2902[23:30:59] <jonnydepp> ok does anybody know what is the name of gnome image viewwer?
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• 2906[23:31:41] <mihi> jonnydepp, package list is replaced-url
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• 2910[23:33:18] <jonnydepp> I found it is eog
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• 2913[23:33:41] <jonnydepp> do you think is a good idea to install "Eye of Gnome" on xfce(I don't want to mess up system)
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• 2915[23:34:56] <mihi> it won't mess up the system (Debian will warn before you install conflicting packages) but it will pull quite some GNOME specific stuff (libraries) to your disk
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• 2921[23:36:50] <jonnydepp> mihi will it cause any problem to XFCE or is it going just to fill up space? I don't care so much about GB, but if it cause any other problem other than space I want to know
• 2922[23:37:41] <teraflops> jonnydepp: youre ok, ofc it will use additional disk space
• 2923[23:37:49] <jonnydepp> dpkg son of a bitch
• 2924[23:37:49] <dpkg> wow, no i'm not son of your mother :)
• 2925[23:37:56] <mihi> it will not cause any problems. I have had installed more than one desktop environment in Debian and id did not cause any problems (running tools from one environment from the other one). You might see some inconsistencies (like different file select dialogs) but apart from that it works just fine.
• 2926[23:38:11] <jonnydepp> exactly
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• 2928[23:38:20] <jonnydepp> I don't want inconsistence
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• 2930[23:38:40] <jonnydepp> I wonder if only Eyes of whatever will bring up inconsistencies
• 2931[23:38:54] <teraflops> …
• 2932[23:38:59] <mihi> nope. Did you ever install Gimp or Wireshark on Windows? :)
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• 2934[23:39:25] <TheRock> Hello guys! I have a huge problem with my debian server. I accidentally uninstalled the linux kernel, how could i reinstall it ?
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• 2936[23:40:10] <jonnydepp> dpkg: merkel
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• 2938[23:40:10] <dpkg> jonnydepp: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
• 2939[23:40:21] <jonnydepp> dpkg: breadbo
• 2940[23:40:21] <dpkg> jonnydepp: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
• 2941[23:40:30] <jonnydepp> dpkg: Chair
• 2942[23:40:30] <dpkg> jonnydepp: have you tried replaced-url
• 2943[23:40:43] <teraflops> jonnydepp: stop
• 2944[23:40:55] <teraflops> TheRock: go troll elsewhere…
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• 2946[23:41:06] <jonnydepp> ok ok but it's quite interesting to see how it's going to reply
• 2947[23:41:19] <annadane> no, it's not
• 2948[23:41:23] <annadane> this is a support channel
• 2949[23:41:36] <annadane> you can /msg the bot if you want
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• 2954[23:42:34] <jonnydepp> dpkg: yast
• 2955[23:42:34] <dpkg> hmm... yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :), or replaced-url
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• 2957[23:43:06] <mihi> TheRock, if your server is still running, just use apt to install linux-image again. If not, boot recovery environment, chroot into your system, and use apt to install again. Don't forget to refresh your bootloader if it is not GRUB (sorry for picking the bait)
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• 2959[23:43:52] <teraflops> jonnydepp: I can ignore TheRock but even ignoring you I still see dpkg output because your refusal to behave
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• 2962[23:45:02] <jonnydepp> thanks for all the help
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• 2964[23:45:12] <TheRock> lol
• 2965[23:45:19] <jonnydepp> dpkg: bye all, thanks again
• 2966[23:45:19] <dpkg> Cya, all, thanks again
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• 2974[23:48:40] <gunchyo> Hi, I'm not sure exactly what happened, but for some reason my server just... wasn't reachable by the network anymore. no activity, no response to power off button
• 2975[23:48:54] <gunchyo> I did not have a GPU installed so I couldn't check what was going on. which logs would I check to see if something happened?
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• 2977[23:49:13] <nvz> gunchyo: the archived ones
• 2978[23:49:28] <gunchyo> which would be... journalctl, dmesg...?
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• 2981[23:50:09] <annadane> well, it's also possible it's a generic network problem which will be solved within a day, if this just happened
• 2982[23:50:55] <gunchyo> I mean I couldn't connect to it locally
• 2983[23:50:59] <gunchyo> the rest of my internet was fine
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• 2985[23:51:08] <gunchyo> like it was a LAN, not WAN issue. the server seemed unresponsive
• 2986[23:51:19] <teraflops> gunchyo: all of them (logs)
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• 2988[23:51:25] <gunchyo> :/
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• 2990[23:51:29] <nvz> logs are in /var/log
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• 2993[23:51:38] <gunchyo> my journalctl seems to only start at the boot time?
• 2994[23:51:43] <nvz> and yes.. all of them
• 2995[23:51:56] <gordonschamway> Hi.
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• 2997[23:51:59] <nvz> hence why I said tha archived ones
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• 2999[23:52:07] <nvz> as in those that were from the last boot
• 3000[23:52:22] <gordonschamway> What package collection or the such does the command $ ip belong to ?
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• 3002[23:53:13] <gunchyo> I checked /var/log/messages and there's... nothing
• 3003[23:53:16] <gunchyo> it doesn't show anything happened
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• 3006[23:53:35] <teraflops> gordonschamway: iproute2
• 3007[23:53:48] <gordonschamway> cool, thx teraflops
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• 3009[23:53:57] <nvz> oh ok then.. no monster in the closet.. dont bother checking under the bed or behind the door, or in the vent..
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• 3013[23:55:16] <teraflops> gordonschamway: if you already have a working debian you can use apt-file, you can also find it out in debian site e.g replaced-url
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• 3018[23:56:32] <gunchyo> well none of these logs were helpful
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• 3021[23:56:41] <gunchyo> I don't understand why it woudl just... flake out
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• 3025[23:58:03] <gordonschamway> good advise teraflops
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