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8 [00:06:37] <rhizome> gumbee: because there's no su otherwise
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10 [00:08:28] <gumbee> rhizome: So does that mean that the app developer will also have root access to my phone?
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21 [00:12:58] <galex-713__> gumbee, any app developer can do anything with your phone
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23 [00:13:18] <galex-713__> well, anything authorized by what the app is “permitted” to do
24 [00:13:24] <galex-713__> that is pretty much everything most of time
25 [00:13:29] <rhizome> gumbee: no, apps are installed in the user context, sandbox.
26 [00:13:30] <galex-713__> such like reading your smses, contacts, etc.
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28 [00:14:00] <gumbee> galex-713__: right, well, apparently whatever permissions that we consent to when we install the app
29 [00:14:12] <galex-713__> yeah
30 [00:14:39] <galex-713__> you can’t even say “yes yes of course” and give the app access to a false contact/sms/etc. database
31 [00:14:39] <gumbee> rhizome: so is there a way to get root access to an android phone without installing an app? Or do most people find using the app to get root access "safe?
32 [00:14:45] <galex-713__> because it’s not free software
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34 [00:15:08] <rafalcpp> perf interrupt took too long (2508 > 2500), lowering kernel.perf_event_max_sample_rate to 50000
35 [00:15:10] <rhizome> gumbee: via what? it's helpful to think of su/sudo as an "app" here
36 [00:15:13] <rafalcpp> why perf is running at all in system?
37 [00:15:16] <rafalcpp> how to disable it?
38 [00:15:22] <gumbee> galex-713__: Well IMO android is def not free software
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40 [00:15:50] <gumbee> rhizome: maybe via typing some commands in adb. Not sure.
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45 [00:16:23] <gumbee> rhizome: I just thought it was a little unusual, because I would never actually install an app to root access on debian
46 [00:16:33] <gumbee> *get root access
47 [00:16:39] <rhizome> because it comes with it
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49 [00:16:57] <rhizome> note that you don't log into your phone
50 [00:16:57] <jarlopez> Any tips for debugging connecting to a serial port? I'm running minicom using the vendor's recommended settings, but receive no data back from the device
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59 [00:18:35] <rhizome> jarlopez: what's running on the other side, i.e. what is going to reply?
60 [00:19:02] <gumbee> rhizome: cool, hmm do you have any recommendations on a specific root app then? Just curious if you feel some are more "free" than others.
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64 [00:19:57] <galex-713_> gumbee, just looks what’s there on FreeDroid
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67 [00:20:16] <rhizome> i haven't rooted my phone yet, but check reddit /r/android. i think i did try SuperSU (or something like that) once upon a time. if you google for a rooting howto, read a few and take note of any repeated recommendations.
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72 [00:21:12] <gumbee> rhizome: galex-713_ : cool, thank you to you both!
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75 [00:21:59] <tremon> rafalcpp: perf is a kernel self-monitoring feature, you'd need to recompile the kernel: replaced-url
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79 [00:24:44] <jarlopez> rhizome: an IoT network manager is on the other side, which the vendor recommends connecting to either by serial term to its CLI port or by application to its API port. I get through on the API port, but not the CLI
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85 [00:26:51] <rafalcpp> my sys does over 50K interrupts per second, I wonder if this is slowing system down.. anything to optimize here? maybe some high resolution (1000 Hz) kernel would be better?
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97 [00:35:29] <tremon> and those are all monitoring interrupts? can you paste the output of /proc/interrupts?
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99 [00:35:33] <tremon> !paste
100 [00:35:33] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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111 [00:38:27] <rhizome> jarlopez: if you're connecting directly you might need a null modem
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125 [00:43:45] <jarlopez> rhizome: Ah, should've specified the manager plugs in with USB and that the FDTI Virtual COM Port driver seems to be working correctly (dmesg | grep tty identifies all ports)
126 [00:44:28] <jarlopez> at this point I'm trying to figure out why the CLI port isn't responding, but the API port is
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130 [00:46:11] <jarlopez> I'm worried it's hardware-related :-\
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133 [00:49:11] <spacedust> hi
134 [00:49:18] <spacedust> how could i put my disk to always on ?
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136 [00:49:35] <spacedust> i have a laptop wd blue 5400rpm disk that spins down very often
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138 [00:50:44] <spacedust> 96 (intermediate level with standby) is it this that i need to change apm level?
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148 [01:00:59] <awal1> spacedust, check your power management settings
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150 [01:02:17] <awal1> if using a DE, "xset -dpms s off" if WM
151 [01:02:32] <awal1> i hope i understood your issue :P
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226 [01:46:33] <kevy0> Hi, when I try to reload my fonts , I get that error message : replaced-url
227 [01:46:36] <kevy0> help ?
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239 [01:56:51] <Waxhead> When a new package (for example the kernel) is available in the repo. Is there some way of reading a change log easily?! For example if the kernel gets a minor update it would be interesting to see if a spesiffic area you are interested in (for example filesystems) got changes backported from upstream.
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257 [02:05:58] <domovoy> hi
258 [02:06:01] <domovoy> i'm trying to find a signal generator under linux, found siggen, but it uses oss and i have pulseaudio, so used "padsp siggen", now it tells me "Too many levels of symbolic links : Problem generating output samples", anyone knows how to solve this? Or can recommend a good signal generator?
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260 [02:07:33] <mutante> i saw "signal generator" and was about to say "kill" :p
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267 [02:12:52] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: you might try ecasound; that at least uses alsa
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270 [02:14:03] <domovoy> dondelelcaro> thanks, but found "play", does what i need
271 [02:14:11] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: for example, ecasound -i tone,sine,440,2 -o alsa
272 [02:14:14] <dondelelcaro> domovoy: ah, cool.
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321 [02:45:54] <geordie> i'm ssh-ing under screen to another screen session. how do i pass C-a to the remote screen?
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332 [02:51:07] <jcarpenter2> is there any way to get gmcs (one of the mono compilers) on Stretch?
333 [02:51:34] <jcarpenter2> mono-complete does not include it, and mono-gmcs is not available but is referred to by another package
334 [02:52:40] <bazhang> ,v gmcs
335 [02:52:41] <judd> No package named 'gmcs' was found in amd64.
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340 [02:57:00] <kingsley> Which command line utility, if any, converts USB addresses like 002:005 to file names, like /dev/sdg5?
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342 [02:57:08] <kb3ien> Media change: please insert the disc labeled, 'Debian GNU/Linux 9.1.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-2 20170722-11:31' , in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press [Enter]
343 [02:57:23] <kb3ien> The CD is installed in /media/cdrom2 ! ! !
344 [02:57:39] <kb3ien> Why does apt try to make me move my cds around?
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346 [02:59:59] <bazhang> ,v fteqcc
347 [03:00:00] <judd> Package: fteqcc on amd64 -- jessie: 3343+svn3400-3; wheezy: 3343+svn3400-3; buster: 3343+svn3400-3+b2; sid: 3343+svn3400-3+b2; stretch: 3343+svn3400-3+b2
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351 [03:01:17] <geordie> nm
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437 [03:56:40] <rhizome> kb3ien: why are you being asked for cds at all?
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443 [03:59:33] <kb3ien> i wanted to use 'cds' as a local mirror. Sounded like a good idea, until I tried it!
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450 [04:02:25] <rhizome> disk is cheap, set up your own local repo mirror
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454 [04:03:21] <kb3ien> yep. The cd feature doesn't really work anymore. that's my plan.
455 [04:03:57] <rhizome> i wonder what % of computers don't have cd drives
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457 [04:04:29] <oerheks> a lot, most of then have dvd drives
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460 [04:04:57] <rhizome> well i mean both
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463 [04:05:46] <somiaj> with tablets becomming common quite a good number, but I think most destkops/laptops still by default have them, since they are usually fairly cheap.
464 [04:05:50] <kb3ien> yeah. THese are virtual machines...
465 [04:06:12] <kb3ien> I'll just have to takeout the relevant controller on all of them.
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468 [04:06:35] <rhizome> desktops maybe, but it's probably kind of hard to get a built-in one in a laptop now, since they're all going thin
469 [04:06:55] <kb3ien> nyetbooks ?
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472 [04:07:20] <rhizome> you could say that
473 [04:07:24] <somiaj> kb3ien: apt-cacher-ng is nice. As for a vm, why didn't mounting the .iso in the vm work?
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498 [04:21:41] <kb3ien> it might have, worked fine, but whether mounted inside the VM buy the VM's kernel, or mounted under a pseudo controller the issue seems to be that it forgets which disk is mounted where.
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717 [06:51:24] <McErroneous> HI, my Debian installation has problems with background processes not beeing terminated when closing terminals, commands once executed stay active even i close the gnome-terminal...
718 [06:52:19] <somiaj> what commands. A command can dhup itself.
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720 [06:52:50] <somiaj> arg, totally rembered that command wrong
721 [06:53:10] <somiaj> anyways, there are commands that disassoicate themselves with their terminal.
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723 [06:53:23] <somiaj> and it was nohup I was thinking of
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727 [06:56:43] <McErroneous> somiaj: I just did a "while true" one-liner loop, and it stayed active after, after closing my terminal...
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730 [06:57:18] <McErroneous> and so does nethogs stay alive after closing its terminal...
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732 [06:59:05] <McErroneous> is this a known problem ? or am i just mistaken ?
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736 [07:01:13] <McErroneous> I never had that experience with Ubuntu..., but Ubuntu -irc support is annoying..., all they do is "upgrade n update"... or telling its user-base to go to hell, and smell the feet of unlucky man...
737 [07:02:06] <McErroneous> So i decided i would go with Debian...
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739 [07:06:33] <McErroneous> Is there a best pratice to avoid such "thing" in the future ? ( avoid processes of staying active after closing the gnome-terminal) ?
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741 [07:10:30] <McErroneous> somiaj: is it possible that the bash stay active if its gnome-terminal is killed ? If so, how do i reassociate the bash-instance with a newly created instance of the gnome-terminal ?
742 [07:10:41] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: this must be a setting, default is typically that the command is terminated when the PTY is closed.
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744 [07:11:02] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: this is typically done with "screen" or "tmux", but then you have to do that BEFORE you start the command.
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747 [07:11:58] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: replaced-url
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750 [07:12:34] <somiaj> McErroneous: while true in what? a bash script?
751 [07:12:38] <McErroneous> SwedeMike: please get me right, i am talking about reattaching an existing bash-process, of an formerly gnome-terminal that has been closed/finished in an unproper manner...
752 [07:12:47] <somiaj> McErroneous: have you seen if the issue also appears with other terminals?
753 [07:13:10] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: I understood what you meant. I am not aware of a way to do that unless you started that bash within screen or tmux or similar.
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755 [07:14:05] <somiaj> McErroneous: I went python, then ran While True:, and when I closed xterm it properly closed. So lets see if this is just a gnome-terminal thing on your system.
756 [07:14:15] <McErroneous> somiaj: NO. , although i have "xterm" and "terminator" installed.. .
757 [07:14:48] <McErroneous> mom..
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761 [07:16:52] <McErroneous> somiaj: i discovered this because one of my network devices continued reciving packets, while the lan cable was attached...
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764 [07:17:42] <McErroneous> and the gnome-terminal has been terminated, so i am wondering..
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768 [07:20:35] <McErroneous> somiaj: i can not even verify with xterm, because as soon as i attach my network cable, the device will power up.... let me give you the command ...
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770 [07:21:37] <McErroneous> "while true ; do wakeonlan -i 192.xxx.xxx.xxx <MAC-Addr> ; done" ....
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774 [07:22:29] <McErroneous> i need to find the corresponding process..., that is still active in the background...
775 [07:22:51] <somiaj> McErroneous: you just want to kill the process?
776 [07:23:03] <McErroneous> but searching for gnome-terminal or wakeonlan was not successfull....
777 [07:23:05] <somiaj> McErroneous: have you check the output of ps fax or similar?
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779 [07:23:20] <somiaj> with ps fax you should be able to see maybe bash running
780 [07:23:37] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried checking for "ps aux"
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783 [07:25:30] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried "ps fax |grep -i wakeonlan" and "ps fax| grep -i gnome-terminal" without success...
784 [07:26:55] <McErroneous> somiaj: i tried "ps fax |grep -i while" also negative....
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786 [07:27:17] <kbob> McErroneous: did you have top? start top, press c, look for the process that sound like wakeonlan .., press k and enter the PID number , then 9 and press enter
787 [07:27:42] <cly> hello
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798 [07:35:32] <McErroneous> I would like to try : killall --name <process-name> , but that might kill my current terminal-session too... ,
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800 [07:35:51] <McErroneous> "killall -name bash"
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806 [07:39:07] <McErroneous> i want to try someting like : "killall --older-than 12h -name bash"
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808 [07:39:27] <McErroneous> but how do i convert 12h in float ?
809 [07:40:14] <McErroneous> so i dont kill my current irc-session....
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811 [07:41:12] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: you can set limits on cpu-time etc for a process.
812 [07:41:27] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: for instance, you can say that a user process can't have more than 12 hours of actual cpu usage time
813 [07:41:45] <SwedeMike> McErroneous: replaced-url
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821 [07:47:16] <dtux> how should I divide up 1TB among /var, /tmp, and /home?
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828 [07:54:29] <McErroneous> dtux, i my personal experience i have good experience mounting "/var" to my "/home"
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836 [07:58:57] <McErroneous> dtux, in my personal experience i made positive experience mounting "/var" to my "/home"
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850 [08:04:48] <aZz7eCh> hi guys. i have a samba network location automatically being created and loaded every time i boot up. in gnome/deb8, where would i have told this to do this? i want to stop it from loading each time. it is mounting to a /run/user/1000/gvfs/ location so im presuming its definitely gnome/nautilus doing this on boot or login... any tips what I might be looking for ?
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854 [08:06:06] <McErroneous> Okay, "killall -o 12 h bash" seems to work out . thanks somiaj and SwedeMike for keeping me going...
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856 [08:06:43] <aZz7eCh> i have checked /etc/fstab and /etc/rc.local where i do have two network locations being mounted deliberately ... neither of these files is creating the connection to this samba share tho
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1029 [10:03:12] <noqnio1> Shouldn't there be a tool that reads apt/history.log and can revert your system to a point back in time?
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1031 [10:03:54] <colo-work> since packages cannot be downgraded, no.
1032 [10:04:07] <colo-work> for all other operations, there's awk + apt-get :>
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1034 [10:04:31] <noqnio1> Well I sometimes have downgraded packages in special circumstances with dpkg
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1036 [10:04:39] <noqnio1> I'd rather have it messed up than not working
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1090 [10:20:48] <frut> elky likes pussy: kB` Velgor hiyosi mzf Posterdati nicdev baba_ infernix phorce1_home crash_ oojacoboo t0ne mns dsnow_ sirecote snw acperkins Namidairo_ jonathaN [Gunner] botho koollma firef1y Stummi loeken ptx0 Werring tomash patterson ilkbahard simonlnu RH_IO Dragon092 d-k ggherdov thevoi nolsen Matthew_ NeoBlaster Incepti0n TmvC jandrusk neskau Marlon icxcnika Artox petn-randall Andreas33 L235 jhebden
1091 [10:20:48] <frut> dax has a little weenie: yoyo_ ericnoan sandman13 tommaso israfel flipp Quantumcross disposable RH_IO strass hue eldritch wjtaylor_ SirLagz roshanavand sdx2 soahccc lexruee punto dave4925 Malinux m0j0dj0dj0 Robby eri451 cooldude shingouz dgp qzo JohnDoh bogus- nighty- coolchris sndb LiENUS infernix DJDan eir blueness Matthew_ valeech jlacroix angular_mike___ hramrach bwf Pedr0 [red]claw ScottE pkv croddy fbaca
1092 [10:20:48] <frut> you should have used tor kindone knows where you have been : deetwelve krups_v2 Blanco MrHyde digdug_ elik obiw hank TuxShells gr4yscale tomocha_ quenode kInOzAwA jimi1 GGMethos sloucher tabakhase Exagone313 abrotman crayon arha_ Keitaro Danielss89_ chownsauce evilbug tiwake LightAmaze cune Janhouse pk64_alt ChanServ metaphysician ThomasJ|d kri SpeedyG [Gunner] leachim6 mete gigetoo hexa- Aristide zarzar bb36e Jamboy gehaxelt fcharton redrabbit duoi gareth__ debh
1093 [10:20:48] <frut> e cant code: rxo clorophormo Noskcaj serban cdown `z jordanm sandman13 Malinux nodauf pvoigt userfree simonlnu sirecote dgp metastable tsia chownsauce ujjain tabakhase Da Ani mww113 hexagoxel arha_ twi msev- akxwi-dave fstd Incepti0n Ellied Guest32500 namix pelegreno_ NoxiousPluK ski7777 jimi1 duckydan guideline Ring0` fourletterword hashworks ThCTLo2 aaro dsnow_ ssarah Spitfire loeken Tr4sK sulvone
1094 [10:20:48] <frut> opal is a man with a dong: bryceml lparmentier[m] romana chownsauce apollojustice cusco bpsecret dTal crash_ kline RoyK_Heim benklop jannic Skaag sandroandrade frikinz magenbrot fbaca paulgrmn cateye amd_0x51 disi banc Mercury_Vapor lord_helmet SM0TVI Slumlord_ inviz NaPs nick123 toruvinn tsglove sussudio bogus- kini eri451 `z Warrigal bfit cmichel tomreyn {sd} lan_stuff sag3 dxrt mavhq gunix FabTG_ SupaYoshi_ serban
1095 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> kline is touching himself: azg esainane ryan-c uNmowed phre4k BbT0n cliluw fiQmob Alam_Squeeze _systemd_is_evil LambdaCalculus37 remote przemoc RoyK Artox MrHyde nymony frikinz digdilem danieli hns Keitaro ski niceprogrammer Dragon092 kanzure Clouder Hoosilon_ Amplificator rolig sirecote Cabanossi ikevin Xyle dmarr judd lru cryptic {sd} Gransy- DomaMuffin Haxxa asdpew styles Danielss89_ reorder FoolishOwl ijmad_ bvs tabris
1096 [10:20:49] <frut> elky likes pussy: flipp sussudio RebelCoder Puckel_ Loomaanaatii Ishaq Spiffy juhop tomocha_ dooglus rysiek|pl Pedr0 dave4925 dwar sander85 RH_IO petan frikinz kevy0 r00tobo LostSoul MrHyde Arieh Ryushin hessu magenbrot pfote ScottE bb36e Schmiel olegfusion aedinius adds68 thallada rotaticus jiphex Johann nhandler ThCTLo2 bfit Andy80_ woky cluelessperson nickle pokeguylow BotaniCar rachelfish holmgren systo Tr4sK
1097 [10:20:49] <frut> emerson likes to use quiet and leave: j3x ribasushi necrogami leibniz brimonk Hydrastra Red_M SM0TVI jak2000 _MMx deedend[m] sptnx sielicki Commander1024 stealthii sirecote sine0 GNU\colossus diabel_ sobkas ChrisH pkv yepla bertbob xai HauM1 genpaku im_bad_at_linux Hijiri Frikilinux_ flokuehn __jae__ eki firef1y NoxiousPluK sdx2 Jim[m] fred`` beardo Ugrastil funnel ebarrett paul3 nolsen CEnnis91 annadane richvdh jhq extor shadoxx
1098 [10:20:49] <qui> emerson klines random people hopefully you wont hit the kline lottery lol: Poster l9 crash_ HeXiLeD McErroneous r0bby thunderrd guideline ijmad_ gigetoo esainane goberle samtunez ptx0 Rokixz peterS lappet r3m juhop mcint Ishaq peterandre remote Linlz luckman212 ohithere clopez jsleeio spritian Cabanossi hid3 xSmurf Amun_Ra cyphix zamuro uptime abracadaniel ramshadow thecoffemaker Ani BWMerlin croddy rolig Al_lA disposable kolla boser adds68 j3x fooctrl
1099 [10:20:49] <qui> e cant code: dak tabakhase gftg pinnen Spydar007 tomreyn cyphix zupzupper neskau Igel ski doogaille ski7777 meti Emmanuel_Chanel colttt digdug_ theluckymike thunderrd pcdummy ribasushi toine42 Jacob843 jareth_ _systemd_is_evil Cosmophile coolchris Carno Shadowcrit nurupo richardjohn bb36e _aeris_ croddy Logg jubo2 ffernand marienz Sue Ard1t Kilo`byte infernix Hoosilon_ like2k1 FiendKing04 hashworks raidsec K1rk interd0me Al_lA
1100 [10:20:49] <qui> christel is a trannie: t0ne metaphysician solos or4n Schmiel blueness LordLamer hank her0 XeonSquared Spydar007 tw rooty_ sndb colttt tadau klow michael_mbp nku bsdnoob zerick Arkaniad wingman2 precise GJdan juhop jubo2 toruvinn yoyo_ rymax99 Red_M hellyeah hicks_ dos1 nauticalnexus baba_ tiin57 thecliguy hassoon xingu Dragon092 Namidairo_ jor Toris pepsipeacecorp `Kevin raidsec Blanco xSmurf McLive
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1102 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> emerson klines random people hopefully you wont hit the kline lottery lol: hexnewbie Cueball qtch rr Ralin3 nurupo Epakai przemoc elik #deb digilink blue Devastator zamuro angular_mike___ Tr4sK apollojustice grew flipp digdilem thecliguy ongolaBoy StathisA afx237 Fjorgynn s0lar1s volodim donut_ rudi_s mzf bezaban davidebeatrici pfoo Zharf preview Malinux her0 cune thecoffemaker sulit Puckel_ himuraken dooglus Neo judd tomocha_ Anarchic metastable M3mphiZ eb0t
1103 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> : v4s- apollojustice Merixer wzyy2 lavenders Kira Mad_Hat BLZbubba verm1n vuser djz88 evotopid Immanuel schoppenhauer rafalcpp tommaso LV-426 Sabaku musca DJDan simp rancyd pcdummy jssjr jadesoturi j3x KNERD m712 lappet trewas ^v nymony JasonO benklop clorophormo martyn_h vamiry hasdf Poster shtirlic LambdaComplex Sciuro [Gunner] bfit Frikilinux_ TuxShells rachelfish zarzar d-k kunwon1
1104 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> you should have used tor kindone knows where you have been : ToeSnacks nathanhi ThomasJ|d ron-slc bodeezl cusco ioudas^working gardar metaphysician bertbob Matthew_ fourletterword Peterzen noqnio1 BbT0n xar- satbyy banging gusnan hid3 JohnDoh ongy tadau spacebison ericnoan marienz donut_ Ralin3 at0m Dreadnaught Hoosilon_ riddle CHRiSNEW XeonSquared jmyrv bazhang hasdf infernix e1z0 lroe Mmike Loomaanaatii jpivshi niko wzyy2 chrissl snkcld digdilem bb36e JStoker
1105 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> dax has a little weenie: Epakai e1z0 Deific n0p_ SirCmpwn probono Butt3rfly flyingkiwi waz0wski tabris jordanm benj_ platicus2 soahccc situ` dxrt freakyy disi devurandom deltam Croepha pseubodot RH_IO nighty- jannic verboese Graypup_ thevoi tonyoy fcharton Deviance lroe mcintosh Python1320 vegenaise sqz db sussudio popnfresh uptime LambdaComplex MobileMatt Eduard_Munteanu MyIgel peterS Aristide hns metaphysician kline rdococ
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1107 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> emerson klines random people hopefully you wont hit the kline lottery lol: nurupo wizzy_ ashka Canucktux Merixer GPenguin shadoxx Nothing4You Exagone313 colttt foriin percY- infernix m712 Emmanuel_Chanel dmarr chiluk Noskcaj benj_ DLange valeech Xyle oojacoboo miklcct AlexZ_ cusco Cork hiya preview `z toresbe Carno acperkins Atlas Granis sussudio kbelyea hagabaka qoreQyaS ScottE bezaban Pugabyte RyanKnack RoBz murdoc` ponyofdeath niceprogrammer cbdev Pwnna oliv
1108 [10:20:49] <jrzgv> christel is a trannie: rotaticus Delf Esya vegenaise otih lotherk brolin_empey Jguy donut_ Marlon super_gollum #deb mati_ sinduck x-fak Sabaku ykchavan patsToms Red_M TuxShells gigetoo dwar smlx Akufen nurupo hasdf Alam_Squeeze mattgirv Ool BbT0n XDS2010|AFK gunix ioudas^working Snewp lroe sayo- ScottE nwe GGMethos tiwake Piper-Off jordanm gardar Hooloovo0 awhitlock8 Shadowcrit Zorroness_ karakedi _MMx Velgor
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1110 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> emerson cant kline: canvon rednul zack6849 Arieh nux Clouder cmichel Enrico_Menot LucaTM hsiktas sef vamiry tsurko duoi mvaenskae rachelfish Firztspawn Willis niko Groenleer melvin_ rlange thevoi verm1n esainane RichiH benklop StathisA Delf ssarah jssjr imMute BbT0n metastable r00tobo GGMethos bipul dgp in1t3r zwamkat SM0TVI djz88 lparmentier[m] soahccc goberle hassoon grim4593 cdown jager cliluw
1111 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> you should have used tor kindone knows where you have been : Mathisen JyZyXEL azizLIGHT terr1 Guest54607 krups_v2 elik rant netrace fauweh BiGBOi xayto MoDaX dym chele brimonk msev- blazeme8 ssarah Posterdati samouy Xanthor tomash tarzeau darkstalker Eduard_Munteanu neoclust slax0r t gardar somepoortech tommaso AlwaysHigh Marlon talin xingu solarnetone guios v4s- Arieh nku doogaille Pseudo askz zack6849 toresbe masuberu cheapie zabow tiwake
1112 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> dax has a little weenie: Xanthor Sabaku mylinux james41382_ ogny Dad` Savemech preaction ptx0 bertbob Red_M Jacob843 cvr Guest32500 r00tobo vreg vegenaise el Masaomi[m] FabTG_ AndrewMC Jdbye snkcld LocaMocha civillian strass kriskropd thoros zululee or4n kolla jager sinduck Sir_Designer__ DJDan John341 adds68 avantgardist bsdnoob Aix_ GTAXL ToeSnacks eleusis palinuro Rockj mattgirv SweetMuffin thallada darkstalker Ani
1113 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a hint: promach rypervenche pelegreno_ ericnoan lolly^o tyler-baker peterS kward J-BBB fast installibre apt knx iwkse nymony Spiffy nutron latez tacocat eMaks blueness lord_helmet nick123 sander85 toolz Texou infernix BLZbubba binary106 hagabaka shannara MyIgel guardian SirLagz thoros klys fauweh AciD` Namikaze jackNemrod dysfigured sqz John341 kB` hicks_ nomad_dw BWMerlin Tarrasquero zululee aib
1114 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> elky likes pussy: nymony llucenic foul_owl sander85 melvin_ Rembo petemc mcintosh qoreQyaS vincent_c jareth_ RebelCoder cherti _aeris_ spacebug^ NeoBlaster nauticalnexus `Kevin niceprogrammer bfit raidsec frikinz wooden Guest30004 dixie7z_ ggherdov strive leochill Fusl brwoods qzo JohnDoh cryptic Malinux shadoxx Xyle t0ne n0p_ mundus infernix prasket thoros dwar blueness rOss^64 FabTG_ Phibonacci_ Dread riex AxForest
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1116 [10:20:50] <thevoi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a hint: msantana Dan_au Skaag funnel melvin_ h1nk haircode CEnnis91 spooky krzych raidghost e1z0 bb36e sunkan mrm bruce549 barteks2x Dev0n wizzy_ cusco mundus coolchris Poster zabow latez noqnio1 paradizelost SirLagz rozie amd_0x51 jmcnaught Exagone313 ageis_ like2k1 cvr msev- tabris sirecote annadane me1 romana blingrang JustASlacker fcharton Slashman pron nathanhi rooty_ bitlan sptnx
1117 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a hint: hashworks neoromantique StathisA knidos Slashman sethkush_ punto CodeBlue1776 sqz thu Zorroness_ Kira Natrick Xjs|moonshine Al_lA Andy80_ Elirips Sabaku freakyy benf Poster `Kevin BWMerlin wizzy_ woky Guest54607 olivetree_ Fusl akxwi-dave JohnDoh Bonn333 bazhang blu_ noqnio1 Ool neechan Spiffy JimmySteve canvon lukasdboer zamuro alchemistswl sparty Spydar007 sistematico phre4k codingquark luckman212 M3mphiZ tomr
1118 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> emerson likes to use quiet and leave: lru Masaomi[m] JohnDoh Spydar007 hassoon bachler raSter^ tomreyn Typhon torrezno noexcept_ shingouz johanbr thevoi staircrusher Anarchic tukun DeaDSouL iwkse ThomasJ yonder inviz magenbrot zarzar jubo2 OS-Stud0815 Junaos her0 Sabotender qoreQyaS georgeowell Butt3rfly d1b hiyosi Guest52559 ibex satbyy Shadowcrit Psy-Q mati_ sn0wmonster SuperSeriousCat pk64_alt bpsecret hid3 cune NeoBlaster Phibonacci_ Eduard_Munteanu SWAT
1119 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> christel is a trannie: morphis Croepha xingu gregf smlx benf cryptic mundus Doldge Willis mortn Ralin3 Sabaku cateye sistematico kline ribasushi sulvone mandeep ongolaBoy Andreas33 abrotman a fast Lazuruz Delf azg xet7 murdoc` internot nadley cnu- jonasbits inviz ski dka azizLIGHT Jacob843 eMaks styles flipp Furai raSter^ rant malm otih _systemd_is_evil Ool DLange Dreadnaught
1120 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a hint: pcdummy ThoMe phebus woky jlacroix sukaeto Gransy- afuentes APexil GNU\colossus Granis Nomads dsnow_ tukun nO0b idmistir ongy jesopo cdown Comstock Cosmophile holmgren uptime systo beaver metaphysician awhitlock8 tabris netrace BlackPanx Voldenet Rokixz ron-slc fstd Zorroness_ toorop ongolaBoy paul3 [red]claw WARBIRD199 Andocromn Texou maik linuxthefish dax SirLagz chrissl bazhang LambdaCalculus37 sokrates_
1121 [10:20:50] <thevoi> emerson cant kline: KindOne bemawi imMute tobiw Typhon qqx XDS2010|AFK benaiah dondelelcaro coolchris Otyg _MMx RH_IO DXR ws2k3 Piggy sinduck twisted` d00bster gigetoo kunwon1 tobias1 Ad1Tech x42 RebelCoder incal johanbr koollman waz0wski clorophormo Hobby_boy enoch85 JPT nshp flipp Robby mr__tea xingu Dagger Blanco GJdan Hijiri syamaoka armin netzach Slashman Kitty vaidy Downer codebam_
1122 [10:20:50] <thevoi> emerson likes to use quiet and leave: ibex mdroid GTAXL mortn boser Epakai keith81 Pjusur canvon Tom-_ afx237 nopf Galihom eck homegrown wzyy2 simon_q pfote SQL arha_ Commander1024 Blanco hank ijmad_ nickdastain gigetoo mvaenskae Raed CrypticSquared eki flipp nadley Mahe TacoGS Churr0z seyeongkim ashka churnd like2k1 nrs_ darxmurf e1z0 dym userfree Canucktux CeBe geordie hsiktas mundus RichiH
1123 [10:20:50] <thevoi> opal is a man with a dong: adi teej infinity_ annadane waz0wski Askr Eduard_Munteanu graingert Zauberfisch mundus d00bster leachim6 anthony25 Scuttle Rothgar bionix Spydar007 disposable2 abracadaniel barteks2x cooldude botho nickdastain petitor cherti gluon w0bni rozie apt koollman Otyg ryan-c RUDE JPT xand bemawi sandeepkr Sluml tiin57 theluckymike bodeezl atomi seprob le_pig lru oberling Cork oojacoboo noqnio1 jrj
1124 [10:20:50] <thevoi> kindone has a database of your ips and the rooms you have been in: SQL n0p_ valdyn lolly^o rooty_ Jguy cyboman33 bzed tdn Dragon092 Guest52559 MichaelSasser ectospasm rolig apt jandrusk N0SSH jair disi pseubodot alreece45 bemawi Henry151 Robby joze Spiffy freanux spacebison GJdan nick123 daniel2 F14W3D bier James_T oberling himuraken [Gunner] RT_FM phorce1_home rozie Butt3rfly tobiasBora schoppenhauer AciD` McErroneous p0rt levifig paul3 superkulak strive
1125 [10:20:50] <jpivshi> e cant code: GNU\colossus paulgrmn james41382_ Mercury_Vapor Anarchic lifeofguenter cbdev qzo blackwell tadz Rokixz Hooloovo0 krups_v2 kalebo otih planetmaker imMute jesopo yonder somepoortech metastable Typhon Janhouse quenode benklop Jim[m] monty duckydan volter SkIzZaTo coolchris rOss^64 sijamdy qtch linuxthefish Pedr0 awhitlock8 dreamon_ TriJetScud ceptor Schwarzbaer Junaos Hijiri geordie breitenj x-fak Mottengrotte__ toto Randy pingfloyd
1126 [10:20:50] <thevoi> fuchs wants to be analed..the nick was a hint: Emmanuel_Chanel Ener pixdamix GNU\colossus benf zupzupper v4s- h1nk sandroandrade nagetier lexruee jrtc27 verm1n nyuszika7h ceptor johanbr BiGBOi beardo MyIgel scc goiken- nomad_dw aindilis ziongate bzed mossman rotaticus tekmo churnd Nevolution2 davidebeatrici skza gunix nyaomi superkulak d00bster _tremo skney sandman13 Apeiron` mundus jackNemrod almostdvs peteski Zardoz vvande ws2k3 ryan-c installibre nopf
1127 [10:20:50] <thevoi> dax has a little weenie: Mikail NoxiousPluK tekmo namix idmistir atomi M3mphiZ sheedy sc_ jiphex theluckymike nodauf Savemech {41444d494e} saboru DLange ki0_ MonsterKiller sandman13 pinnen kirb dxrt yokel Eduard_Munteanu beaky strass LeandroLuiz eck Skaag pingfloyd mf|cloud seyeongkim scc Lxrowe Schmiel rotaticus unixbassen situ` angular_mike___ Arieh bazhang ceptor xet7 totonika vamiry TReK ijmad_ AlwaysHigh urzds MichaelSasser
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1129 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> kindone has a database of your ips and the rooms you have been in: BWMerlin renzhi bluszcz sinduck Haxxa killian99 valerius FoolishOwl ecelis xingu HauM1 bipul Tristan-Speccy Hestben thallada vook sethkush_ babilen dexta ioudas^working iCherry Typhon shingouz rakor1 berndj Hooloovo0 zyley __marco Weeezy kline fbaca raSter^ samouy amospalla _MMx thiagoss AlwaysHigh nku leochill Quick_Wango lel or4n christel greenbagels teej colttt przemoc [red]claw hiya guerby
1130 [10:20:50] <sijamdy> opal is a man with a dong: GPenguin MoDaX jmnk platicus2 Mahe s0lar1s eri451 rlange nnyby richvdh Ard1t Clouder _MMx knx tadz strive BotaniCar blueness cateye Frikilinux_ snkcld Esya Ad1Tech phaseNi gregf Tarrasquero coolchris Rockj in1t3r integral Comstock kimico cdown jager Posterdati mdroid Speed2u sander85 mattgirv precise hiyosi ageis_ cloropho tomocha_ Loomaanaatii Phate LordLamer hiya tabris Haxxa
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1140 [10:20:56] <slax0r> yes
1141 [10:20:58] <greenbagels> aw
1142 [10:21:02] <slax0r> I'm included!
1143 [10:21:06] <greenbagels> I was hoping someone actually wanted to talk to me
1144 [10:21:07] <Voldenet> I feel important
1145 [10:21:08] <greenbagels> :(
1146 [10:21:08] <JyZyXEL> i feel so needed
1147 [10:21:15] <slax0r> back to the salt mines
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1150 [10:21:25] <greenbagels> slax0r: s-salty bet?
1151 [10:21:26] <toruvinn> it's incredible people stll bother doing this
1152 [10:21:31] <bsdnoob> what was that?
1153 [10:21:32] <JyZyXEL> i wonder if they are gonna use paste.debian.net now
1154 [10:21:41] <leachim6> these fsckers
1155 [10:21:46] <Al_lA> ...
1156 [10:21:50] <ongy> I was surprised someone in this channel would ping me...
1157 [10:21:58] <binary106> hey, i'm popular!
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1159 [10:22:04] <Al_lA> kindone has public data about me and knows i idle in linux channels
1160 [10:22:06] <Al_lA> so scare
1161 [10:22:08] <leachim6> lol
1162 [10:22:09] <toruvinn> seems like many people waiting for a grouphug here. ;-)
1163 [10:22:17] <leachim6> this server is like 2000 miles away from where I live
1164 [10:22:23] <leachim6> and it's part of a public block....
1165 [10:22:25] <leachim6> who cares
1166 [10:22:27] <greenbagels> JyZyXEL: I died, thank you for making that joke
1167 [10:22:27] <JyZyXEL> why do i even have highlight anymore? 99% of time it's this.
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1169 [10:22:33] <binary106> so when we live on mars, our ping is going to be 90 seconds?
1170 [10:22:42] <leachim6> JyZyXEL: it's ok buddy, I think you're alright
1171 [10:22:45] <toresbe> at least it creates life in the channel
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1173 [10:22:47] <bsdnoob> anyone watching mrrobot?
1174 [10:22:58] <leachim6> haven't caught up on s2 yet
1175 [10:23:00] <leachim6> no spoilers :O
1176 [10:23:05] <binary106> same, no s2 yet
1177 [10:23:10] <koollman> binary106: with huge variations depending on the earth/mars relative position
1178 [10:23:11] <bsdnoob> our cousins are getting some tv time
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1182 [10:23:49] <bsdnoob> mint & kali that is
1183 [10:23:51] <koollman> binary106: (and probably higher than that. I think I remember 14 minutes average latency)
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1186 [10:24:03] <binary106> so with only the superrich living on mars, and 100s of years before the working class can afford a ticket.. means the genetic base on mars is going to split away from earth pretty fast imo
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1191 [10:25:42] <gunix> this spam was so useless. not even one onion link.
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1194 [10:26:10] <bsdnoob> gunix, do you want some of them....cough cough...?
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1196 [10:27:33] <gunix> i'll send you a message when i feel emotionally ready for the dark parts of the net
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1201 [10:28:41] <Lxrowe> thevoi, wtf.
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1207 [10:31:25] <blingrang> wasn't there an attack about a while back on the entire freenode network pm'ing links to "dark parts of the net"
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1210 [10:32:31] <petn-randall> blingrang: Let's move this discussion to #debian-offtopic to keep this channel free for support.
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1212 [10:33:11] <blingrang> petn-randall, ok and sorry
1213 [10:33:18] <Al_lA> i have a question for everyone: if i just did cp or rsync to copy all of /, would i run into any problems trying to boot off the copy?
1214 [10:33:59] <Al_lA> i mean, is there anything in a debian install that won't copy? i assume i'd have to do it as root
1215 [10:34:02] <petn-randall> Al_lA: You still need a working grub MBR or grub on the EFI system partition to boot from it.
1216 [10:34:11] <XeonSquared> as long as you don't try to copy the contents of the special dirs it should be fine if you have a bootloader
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1218 [10:34:22] <hellyeah> was that flooding?
1219 [10:34:29] <XeonSquared> hell yeah it was
1220 [10:34:36] <Al_lA> petn-randall yep, ok. thanks. XeonSquared ah, that's sorta what i was thinking of. do you mean don't copy /sys, for example?
1221 [10:34:56] <XeonSquared> /sys, /dev, etc.
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1223 [10:35:15] <XeonSquared> I think rsync has a flag for 'same filesystem' which could work
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1225 [10:35:53] <Loomaanaatii> I was pinged
1226 [10:35:55] <Loomaanaatii> Wat
1227 [10:36:03] <Al_lA> kk. cheers
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1229 [10:36:24] <Al_lA> it is going to be on nearly the same hardware, i just want to change the hardware RAID underneath it
1230 [10:36:32] <Al_lA> by which i mean reconfigure
1231 [10:37:09] <annadane> Loomaanaatii, ignore it, just spam
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1233 [10:37:36] <Loomaanaatii> Aww I thought I had friends
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1253 [10:55:39] <dexta> gm
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1289 [11:22:32] <ezra-s> I have issues with ethernet security 802.1x configuration, when I try to change the password and apply changes, the password is not changed when I return to the same option, old password remains there. I can only success disabling security and defining it again from scratch, debian 9 up to date.
1290 [11:23:05] <ezra-s> this all is from gnome-shell.
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1328 [11:35:07] <eb0t> hey applications on debian are a little bit dated
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1330 [11:35:38] <eb0t> that is fine they work brilliantly, but my worry is ...if i have firefox 49 installed and the current version of firefox is version 56
1331 [11:35:51] <petn-randall> ,v firefox-esr
1332 [11:35:53] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
1333 [11:36:04] <petn-randall> ,v firefox
1334 [11:36:05] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2; experimental: 57.0~b9-1
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1336 [11:36:40] <petn-randall> eb0t: Looks like you haven't been updating in quite a while, or you're not running Debian proper. FF 49 isn't in Debian anymore.
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1338 [11:38:02] <eb0t> no i was speaking hypothetically petn-randall
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1340 [11:38:31] <eb0t> i dont understand how anything but the latest version of firefox can be considered secure
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1342 [11:38:56] <petn-randall> eb0t: We usually don't discuss hypotheticals here, but provide support. In the case of Firefox there is a ESR version that is supported, that is shipped in Debian.
1343 [11:39:27] <eb0t> esr ..ok i ll look up what ESR MEANS.
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1346 [11:41:07] <petn-randall> !firefox esr
1347 [11:41:07] <dpkg> Iceweasel Extended Support Release, see replaced-url
1348 [11:41:50] <eb0t> thanks petn-randall
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1405 [12:03:52] <petn-randall> eb0t: ESR means it'll get bugfixes and security updates, but no new features. Over time this means that the number of total (known and unknown) bugs decreases with time in that codebase.
1406 [12:04:28] <petn-randall> eb0t: However, if you suffer a severe case of SNS, you can use mozilla.debian.net to get the newest firefox on your system.
1407 [12:04:46] <H3nrik> y
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1467 [12:46:49] <Kira> Our server running Jessie suddenly rebooted. It *doesn't* look like a kernel panic or reboot caused by faulty hardware.
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1470 [12:47:12] <Kira> From the logs, we can see some services received SIGTERM before the machine rebooted.
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1472 [12:47:37] <colo-work> _which_ logs?
1473 [12:47:37] <Kira> Does anybody have ideas how to I determine what caused the reboot?
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1476 [12:49:19] <Kira> colo-work: e.g. /var/log/syslog says that rsyslogd exiting on signal 15.
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1486 [12:52:42] <Kira> /var/log/daemon.log says the same thing.
1487 [12:53:33] <Kira> postgresql's log also says it shutdown on sigterm
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1489 [12:55:04] <nix64bit> I am still getting a frozen screen, any ideas how to debug this? I cant find any error messages?
1490 [12:55:09] <Droid2Debian> We must be talking about debugging a faulty or flawed install / configuration Kira I might also br worth running a smart test on you;re hdd Kira
1491 [12:55:39] <nix64bit> Some days it freezes a few times a day, sometimes it doesnt freeze for weeks
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1493 [12:55:57] <Droid2Debian> nix64bit, Do you mean as in x server not wanting to load
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1495 [12:56:35] <nix64bit> Droid2Debian: I work for a while and i get a bit of pixalation and have to restart
1496 [12:56:36] <Droid2Debian> Possibly a case of incorrect istallation media used?
1497 [12:56:58] <jelly-home> Kira: if some processes received SIGTERM that implies it was something like a manually initiated reboot. ctrl-alt-del on the console?
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1499 [12:57:09] <nix64bit> I can ssh into my box so it seems to be x related
1500 [12:57:22] <Kira> jelly-home: the only thing my fellow admin remembers is that he unplugged the USB keyboard from the server.
1501 [12:57:45] <jelly-home> Kira: is ita remotely manageable server?
1502 [12:57:52] <Eduard_Munteanu> The systemd journal should log reboots.
1503 [12:57:56] <Kira> We have it physically with us in the office.
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1505 [12:58:23] <jelly-home> Kira: did someone accidentally the physical power button?
1506 [12:58:42] <Kira> I don't think so. Unless the chassis is faulty.
1507 [12:58:42] <colo-work> Kira, does the physical host have watchdog capabilities?
1508 [12:59:04] <Droid2Debian> nix64bit, to you have a video/graphics card that requires propitiatory drivers
1509 [12:59:09] <Kira> colo-work: it's in our office, not at a colocation datacenter or anything like that.
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1511 [12:59:41] <nix64bit> Droid2Debian: it does but I dont use any
1512 [12:59:48] <Eduard_Munteanu> Does it have an attached UPS?
1513 [13:00:01] <Kira> yes
1514 [13:00:02] <Droid2Debian> Amd or remote management capabilites
1515 [13:00:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Kira, a power failure could trigger shutdown then
1516 [13:00:16] <Kira> And the UPS is healthy.
1517 [13:00:38] <Kira> No, we don't shutdown on mains failure.
1518 [13:00:44] <Kira> at least not automatically.
1519 [13:00:58] <nix64bit> I would rather not use proprietry driver
1520 [13:01:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> You could unplug the UPS and see if it shuts down.
1521 [13:01:10] <Kira> And there was no mains failure.
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1523 [13:01:40] <Droid2Debian> Eduard_Munteanu, You prob lay need a firmwampackage out of restricted repoitoryie
1524 [13:02:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> Droid2Debian, don't tell me :)
1525 [13:02:12] <Kira> Eduard_Munteanu: we haven't connected the control cable to trigger a shutdown from the UPS, so that's not possible.
1526 [13:02:20] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah.
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1529 [13:03:09] <colo-work> Kira, does the system have a SEL? (system event log, implemented on a BMC)
1530 [13:03:12] <Droid2Debian> Kira, What brand of UPS is this particulat ups?
1531 [13:03:22] <colo-work> if it does, maybe that can shed some light on what happened
1532 [13:03:34] <colo-work> the BMC could "fake" an ACPI power event
1533 [13:03:39] <colo-work> and trigger a reboot/shutdown that way
1534 [13:04:04] <Droid2Debian> colo-work, you make a great point
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1536 [13:05:03] <Kira> Droid2Debian: APC Smart-UPS, but I just double checked and we really haven't connected the control cables.
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1538 [13:05:21] <Kira> colo-work: how could I check? We have a SuperMicro server.
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1540 [13:05:36] <Kira> ipmitool?
1541 [13:05:38] <Droid2Debian> Ow about a failing power supply unit or another failing or faulty compenet?
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1543 [13:05:57] <colo-work> Kira, good :) you could either gain access to the BMC via IPMI remote control, or install "ipmitool" on the host and use that (requires root privs)
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1545 [13:06:06] <Kira> Droid2Debian: but then it wouldn't look like a graceful reboot, would it?
1546 [13:06:10] <colo-work> `ipmitool sel list` should do the trick iirc
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1549 [13:06:22] <colo-work> you might need to modprobe ipmi_devintf or some such module first
1550 [13:06:25] <colo-work> for ipmitool to work
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1552 [13:06:44] <Droid2Debian> certianlly notg
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1559 [13:07:52] <Kira> ipmitool sel list shows me two events from early this morning, a lot earlier than the reboot.
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1565 [13:09:15] <Eduard_Munteanu> Try journalctl -b -1 -t systemd
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1575 [13:16:10] <jelly-home> nix64bit: anything in Xorg.0.log or kern.log when that happens?
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1579 [13:16:52] <Kira> What's -t?
1580 [13:16:54] <freezer> hi
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1582 [13:17:02] <Kira> jelly-home: I don't see that in the manpage.
1583 [13:17:20] <nix64bit> jelly-home: I havent looked, how do I view those logs?
1584 [13:17:34] <jelly-home> nix64bit: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
1585 [13:17:39] <jelly-home> and similar
1586 [13:17:39] <freezer> any Idea why the "Total" in iptraf Detailed Interface Statistics can be much less than "IP" or "TCP" ?
1587 [13:17:47] <nix64bit> thanks
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1592 [13:19:31] <Kira> jelly-home: there's no -t with journalctl on Jessie, it seems.
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1594 [13:20:22] <jelly-home> Kira: I blame Eduard_Munteanu
1595 [13:20:38] <Kira> oh, sorry, lol
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1598 [13:21:09] <Kira> I also can't get -b -1
1599 [13:21:37] <nix64bit> jelly-home: I tried less /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW and EE but very little info
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1601 [13:22:45] <nix64bit> 6.913] (WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist. would hardly kill the graphics card
1602 [13:22:53] <nix64bit> i could be wrong
1603 [13:22:56] <jelly-home> if you're on stretch Xorg.0.log may be in user's home not the global one. I don't remember how that happens or what the exact location is
1604 [13:23:25] <nix64bit> i can do find
1605 [13:23:50] <Eduard_Munteanu> Ah, I'm on stretch.
1606 [13:24:03] <vvz> nix64bit, ~/.local/share/xorg
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1610 [13:24:19] <nix64bit> thanks
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1615 [13:27:35] <nix64bit> (EE) parse_vt_settings: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (Permission denied)
1616 [13:27:54] <nix64bit> why is it even doing that?
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1618 [13:28:49] <nix64bit> Fatal server error:
1619 [13:29:51] <jelly-home> nix64bit: pastebin the full thing, or the last ~200 lines instead of picking one line. Context is useful.
1620 [13:29:56] <jelly-home> !paste
1621 [13:29:56] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1624 [13:31:32] <vvz> nix64bit, what's your group membership -- video? wheel?
1625 [13:32:11] <nix64bit> I am going to paste it now i think its video
1626 [13:34:21] <nix64bit> replaced-url
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1629 [13:36:23] <vvz> nix64bit, so you can't access /dev/tty0. Try after adding your user to the wheel group
1630 [13:36:45] <nix64bit> ok will do
1631 [13:37:08] <nix64bit> it happen so seldom then 2 in a day
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1635 [13:39:39] <nix64bit> vvz: i dont have a wheel group must i create it?
1636 [13:40:34] <vvz> nix64bit, no sudo then?
1637 [13:40:46] <vvz> nix64bit, there's a bug report: replaced-url
1638 [13:40:47] <judd> Bug replaced-url
1639 [13:41:01] <jelly-home> debian has no wheels! :-)
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1641 [13:41:15] <nix64bit> seems not
1642 [13:41:38] <vvz> jelly-home, oops... sudo
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1652 [13:51:19] <nix64bit> dpkg-reconfigure x11-common doesnt work anymore
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1659 [13:55:01] <nix64bit> I added the suggested fix and restarted is there anyway to check it is fixed?
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1661 [13:55:02] <MaxFrames> hi
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1664 [13:55:15] <nix64bit> hello
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1666 [13:55:57] <MaxFrames> I am not receiving any more emails from the arpwatch daemon, I need to double check the smtp settings; in the arpwatch.conf file I did not specify a mailer, so it has to be using the default one, but I forgot what is and where its conf file is located
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1668 [13:56:02] <MaxFrames> this is debian 7
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1670 [13:56:58] <abrotman> Likely exim
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1675 [14:00:31] <nix64bit> thanks Droid2Debian vvz jelly-home
1676 [14:00:48] <nix64bit> hopefully the weird error is gone
1677 [14:01:23] <jelly> MaxFrames: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sendmail
1678 [14:01:51] <MaxFrames> the only thing I changed was the recipient address (the new one is @outlook.it), I haven't received any more messages since (it's been a month)
1679 [14:01:55] <jelly> cron just uses the local MTA, and I think arpwatch just runs via a cron job
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1683 [14:02:49] <abrotman> MaxFrames: it's entirely possible they're being flagged as spam? have you checked your outbound email logs?
1684 [14:03:04] <MaxFrames> wilco
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1686 [14:03:32] <MaxFrames> the output of the command anyway is "exim4-daemon-light: /usr/sbin/sendmail"
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1689 [14:04:25] <gpunk> yes outlook* mark as spam almost anyone with his own server !
1690 [14:04:30] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: All of Microsoft's domains are well feared for just blackholing incoming mails for dubious reasons, there's even factoid about it on #postfix. If your /var/log/mail.log says the mail got successfully relayed, this is likely the case.
1691 [14:05:21] <gpunk> you to atleast have a spf record on your MX ...
1692 [14:06:26] <MaxFrames> thanks. spot on. mail was blocked by outlook's spam filter
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1696 [14:07:33] <gpunk> good luck , thats a microsoft monster ...
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1698 [14:08:25] <MaxFrames> no, my fault, the sender address is bogus
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1701 [14:11:40] <MaxFrames> it's arpwatch@myhostname, so no wonder outlook considers it phishy
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1707 [14:13:28] <Droid2Debian> yyeahNix you need a fully qualified domain following your username to demonstraight legitamcy of you're emai;l account
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1711 [14:16:10] <MaxFrames> it also blocked other automated alerts in the form of [bogus username]@[valid domain], but not all of them... some of these did not go in the junk mail folder... who knows why
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1722 [14:22:23] <jelly> MaxFrames: so you're on exim, the default mta. Logs are in /var/log/exim4/mainlog if I remember correctly
1723 [14:23:10] <jelly> if your system has a static public ip address there's a number of things you can do to improve deliverability
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1725 [14:23:41] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: Mails from my server going to user@hotmail.com were accepted and silently deleted, which caused a huge administrative pain on my side. I had to contact my datacentre admins who could contact the MS mail admins and lobbied to remove my server from their internal blocklist. Good luck with that, though.
1726 [14:23:42] <MaxFrames> I dunno why it sends mail as arpwatch@hostname, probably arpwatch's default
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1729 [14:25:14] <jelly> MaxFrames: it's a local MTA default, you get that when the sending software does not specify an envelope sender address at all
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1732 [14:25:45] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: This ^^^
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1736 [14:26:42] <petn-randall> MaxFrames: /etc/mailname should have your FQDN, I think also exim4 parses that. Otherwise you need to check how it's done with exim4.
1737 [14:26:57] <MaxFrames> thx
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1767 [14:42:36] <ForceRecon> where beith the installation iso, 64bit, amd, with non free and firmware?
1768 [14:42:46] <jelly> !firmware images
1769 [14:42:46] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1771 [14:44:06] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
1772 [14:44:10] <ForceRecon> thank you so much
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1781 [14:47:09] <sbeex> hello guys
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1783 [14:48:25] <sbeex> I have a pain in the ass with this git and gnutls thing... when I do a git clone something I get : gnutls_handshake() failed: An unexpected TLS packet was received
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1785 [14:48:44] <sbeex> do you have a proper way to solve it ? I already did a apt-get purge git and reinstalled it but no way
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1789 [14:49:50] <Droid2Debian> Are there any good how tos or even better yet precompiled debs of the 4.17.x series kernel?
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1791 [14:50:40] <jelly> Droid2Debian: 4.15 and 4.16 will have to happen before that
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1793 [14:51:24] <gpunk> even 4.14 lol
1794 [14:51:24] <hipodilski> hi guys
1795 [14:51:42] <hipodilski> after upgrade from apache 2.2 to apache 2.4 (debian 7 -> 8) i'm trying to migrate old configs
1796 [14:51:52] <hipodilski> i've enabled 2 vhosts and trying to make them work
1797 [14:51:57] <hipodilski> when I access them I get this in error log
1798 [14:51:58] <hipodilski> [Thu Oct 19 15:49:58.706597 2017] [autoindex:error] [pid 24766:tid 139677684213504] [client 192.168.0.150:45218] AH01276: Cannot serve directory /var/replaced-url
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1800 [14:52:11] <hipodilski> any idea why it is trying to access /var/replaced-url
1801 [14:52:14] <hipodilski> and where is this defined
1802 [14:52:24] <hipodilski> I already searched with grep through configs and did not find it defined anywhere
1803 [14:52:36] <hipodilski> :/etc/apache2# grep -rli /var/replaced-url
1804 [14:52:40] <jelly> hipodilski: for a start, look at your enabled VirtualHost definitions, run: apachectl -S
1805 [14:52:41] <hipodilski> :/etc/apache2#
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1807 [14:54:14] <hipodilski> jelly: ok so found that
1808 [14:54:27] <hipodilski> now there is another error i tried installing php5 and I got this 'AH00534: apache2: Configuration error: No MPM loaded.
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1810 [14:54:36] <hipodilski> jelly: any idea how to work around this ?
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1813 [14:55:58] <hipodilski> I have both apache2-mpm-worker and apache2-mpm-prefork installed
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1815 [14:56:34] <hipodilski> any help is very much appreaciated ..
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1817 [14:57:15] <gpunk> a2enmod and then double tab to see what modules are EnableAble
1818 [14:57:28] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Hard to say with only a cherrypicked single line out of the logs (which logs)?
1819 [14:57:41] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Also, how did you try installing php5?
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1828 [15:00:15] <hipodilski> petn-randall: with apt-get
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1830 [15:01:18] <petn-randall> !bat
1831 [15:01:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1832 [15:01:22] <jelly> hipodilski: uh, changes in apache 2.2 -> 2.4 are kind of covered in jessie release notes, are they not?
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1835 [15:01:34] <petn-randall> hipodilski: Can you provide all the info above in a single paste?
1836 [15:01:35] <jelly> !jessie release notes
1837 [15:01:35] <dpkg> Release notes for Debian 8 "Jessie" are at replaced-url
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1840 [15:02:06] <Droid2Debian> please pastebin you're long lofg files and configuration files
1841 [15:02:22] <jelly> hipodilski: I don't remember exactly, but mpm is chosen via a2enstuff
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1843 [15:03:59] <nix64bit> still crashing my nvidia even with the patch need to get the proprietory drivers
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1845 [15:04:29] <Droid2Debian> I am currently trying to extracate my self from a failing relationship and my parrents won't let me get out offf a two year vzw contract because thety think i am being a jerk about it.
1846 [15:05:43] <gpunk> a2enmod mpm_prefork to enable it
1847 [15:05:58] <gpunk> and restart apache ...
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1859 [15:12:13] <hipodilski> jelly: i think i solved that so far
1860 [15:12:26] <hipodilski> back to mpm_prefork but unfortunately now vhosts doesn't seem to work
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1868 [15:16:51] <hipodilski> any idea why apache might not be respecting vhosts
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1870 [15:17:01] <hipodilski> apache 2.4
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1872 [15:17:28] <hipodilski> my vhost alias module is loaded
1873 [15:17:29] <hipodilski> d# ls -al *vhost*
1874 [15:17:29] <hipodilski> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 окт 19 16:11 vhost_alias.load -> ../mods-available/vhost_alias.load
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1887 [15:22:54] <gpunk> it needs to go to mods-enabled
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1889 [15:24:29] <hipodilski> did the way vhosts are loadeed changed in apache2.4?
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1892 [15:24:51] <hipodilski> aren't vhosts links from /etc/apache2/sites-avaiable/
1893 [15:24:52] <hipodilski> ?
1894 [15:25:06] <gpunk> yes...
1895 [15:25:12] <themill> no, enabled
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1897 [15:25:21] <gpunk> yes enabled my bad
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1899 [15:25:39] <gpunk> what is your apache2ct -S ?
1900 [15:25:44] <gpunk> ctl*
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1909 [15:31:07] <hipodilski> replaced-url
1910 [15:31:09] <hipodilski> that's what it shows
1911 [15:31:57] <gpunk> and "ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/" please
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1913 [15:32:41] <jelly> hipodilski: oh, make sure the symlinked stuff under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/ has *.conf extension
1914 [15:33:00] <hipodilski> replaced-url
1915 [15:33:14] <hipodilski> jelly: aint load without .conf?
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1918 [15:33:28] <gpunk> yes they wont ...
1919 [15:33:53] * themill hands hipodilski a2ensite
1920 [15:33:57] <jelly> one piece of sanity added there.
1921 [15:34:07] <hipodilski> ah yes I guess it is the conf thing ..
1922 [15:34:27] <jelly> but I thought that was changed even in wheezy
1923 [15:34:32] <wwhite> Hi guys, how can I install debian 9 with kde with wayland?
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1926 [15:35:28] <jelly> nope, wheezy still had
1927 [15:35:31] <jelly> # Include the virtual host configurations:
1928 [15:35:31] <jelly> Include sites-enabled/
1929 [15:35:33] <gpunk> I think proproatary drivers dont work with wayland yet
1930 [15:35:48] <jelly> we always fixed that locally
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1963 [15:49:45] <bow_emp> if i install ufw on top of iptables, will this have an effect on my existing connections ?
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1965 [15:50:21] <EchoIsON> why ubunutu > debian
1966 [15:50:48] <jelly> EchoIsON: a question better answered in #ubuntu, don't you think?
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1968 [15:50:58] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about why debian
1969 [15:51:05] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about why not debian
1970 [15:51:23] <jelly> dpkg, tell EchoIsON about ubuntu
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1975 [15:52:02] <EchoIsON> thx
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1989 [15:56:32] <jhutchins> jelly: <why not debian> appears to be null (which maybe is the point).
1990 [15:57:02] <jelly> dpkg: listkeys why not
1991 [15:57:04] <dpkg> Factoid search of 'why not' by key (15 of 24): #debian why not ;; _default why not ;; _default why not dist upgrade ;; _default why not dist-upgrade ;; why not ;; why not a ppa ;; why not amd64 ;; why not dist upgrade ;; why not dist-upgrade ;; why not dmm ;; why not mozilla ;; why not nvidia installer ;; why not ppa ;; why not unstable ;; why not use a ppa.
1992 [15:57:26] <petn-randall> jhutchins: Heh, I like your way of thinking ;)
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1996 [16:00:22] <forcerecon> hello fellow debians.. I have done this before but I cannot remember for the life of me.. How to fix.. 3 monitors, fresh stretch install with non free and firmware dvd.. only main monitor working and resolution is at 1024 laptop mode.. What must I do.. I have paper this time to write it all down
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2001 [16:01:25] <forcerecon> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation GM204 [GeForce GTX 980] (rev a1)
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2017 [16:04:59] <jelly> forcerecon: that card? read /msg dpkg nvidia dkms
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2024 [16:07:23] <forcerecon> hey jelly thanks.. I am reading now.. This is what I did last time? odd.. don't rememeber that, but it has been about 7 months..
2025 [16:07:34] <ska> I'm unable to disable the PC speaker in 9.1. I think the module is in the kernel. I've tried most things I could find.
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2029 [16:09:44] <petn-randall> ska: It's a kernel module called "pcspkr", like it has been in the last 5 releases or so.
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2031 [16:10:19] <petn-randall> ska: You could simply blacklist it, depending on what problem you're trying to solve.
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2033 [16:10:35] <rafalcpp> how to set CPU frequency (x86_64)?
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2036 [16:10:52] <rafalcpp> cpufreq-set -u 3000 fails
2037 [16:11:03] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
2038 [16:11:03] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
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2040 [16:11:25] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: error message is not helpful: "Error setting new values."
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2042 [16:12:05] <rafalcpp> open("/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq", O_WRONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
2043 [16:12:09] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: Does your CPU allow being set by the OS?
2044 [16:12:17] <rafalcpp> indeed, I have nothing "governor" in /sys/ at all. shouldn't there be?
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2046 [16:12:25] <rafalcpp> petn-randall: dunno, how to check? AMD
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2048 [16:12:48] <petn-randall> rafalcpp: You'd probably have to check the datasheets belonging to the CPU.
2049 [16:13:13] <rafalcpp> should there be /sys/ | grep governor ? do you have such files/
2050 [16:13:41] <rafalcpp> hm I have on other machine...
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2053 [16:14:04] <jelly> forcerecon: you're giving me little reason to look up what you did the last time in the logs. The channel however has public logs so maybe you can look it up by yourself.
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2055 [16:15:49] <forcerecon> jelly: don't worry I did not want you to look up the logs.. sorry..
2056 [16:15:55] <forcerecon> Ill figure it out :)
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2058 [16:17:33] <forcerecon> I would like to look at the public logs.. can you toss me a link to them?
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2062 [16:18:43] <jelly> !irc logs
2063 [16:18:44] <dpkg> hmm... irclog is #debian on <freenode> is logged at replaced-url
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2089 [16:27:28] <rafalcpp> is wireshark broken in debian 8? it shows "broken packages" with source like 6666:666:6666:6666... when it sees UDP packet
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2097 [16:31:40] <jelly> rafalcpp: broken packets?
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2101 [16:32:40] <rafalcpp> err packets. jelly
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2154 [16:58:28] <nix64bit> jelly: any solutions to that bug?
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2158 [16:58:53] <nix64bit> i have installed the proprrietry nvidia drivers
2159 [16:59:33] <nix64bit> how to check if they all correctly installed?
2160 [16:59:45] <gpunk> run glxinfo
2161 [16:59:53] <gpunk> and glxgears ...
2162 [17:00:07] <gpunk> dmesg ...
2163 [17:00:17] <gpunk> the Xorg log
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2167 [17:01:48] <nix64bit> 5.428813] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
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2169 [17:01:50] <nix64bit> haha
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2176 [17:05:53] <thnee> dist-upgraded my Testing, now when starting terminals with zsh as shell, the terminal just closes immediately without any error. if I use bash instead, and then start zsh manually, it works. wtf?
2177 [17:06:11] <gpunk> yeah wtf
2178 [17:06:18] <nkuttler> !tell thnee about debian-next
2179 [17:06:43] <gpunk> yeah he got nexted
2180 [17:06:57] <thnee> oh separate channel, got it, thanks
2181 [17:07:12] <gpunk> on oftc network
2182 [17:07:16] <gpunk> not on freenode
2183 [17:07:20] <jelly> thnee: fix your .zshrc ?
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2185 [17:07:53] <jelly> who uses zsh but does NOT have it as a login shell
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2187 [17:08:17] <thnee> that was clearly a temporary fix
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2189 [17:08:38] <nkuttler> make it permanent?
2190 [17:08:47] <jelly> bash is a temporary fix, yeah
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2194 [17:09:08] <thnee> nah =) its weird to run two shells for no real reason
2195 [17:10:10] <jelly> if zsh stopped working I'd just (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
2196 [17:10:13] <tw> What's weird about that >.>
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2199 [17:11:33] <gpunk> 👩🔬
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2246 [17:28:38] <altendky> i installed stretch yesterday and was going to switch to testing. i read the upgrade 1-2-3 at replaced-url
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2249 [17:29:03] <altendky> just want to make sure before i go disabling security updates
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2251 [17:29:34] <mauro25987> hi
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2253 [17:29:49] <mauro25987> who helps me with mdadm?
2254 [17:29:54] <mutante> altendky: that's right, if you want "testing" then "no stable lines left" is correct
2255 [17:30:04] <nkuttler> !ask
2256 [17:30:04] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2260 [17:30:34] <altendky> mutante: sure. but the instructions say to first replace all the stable lines with testing so there already wouldn't be any.
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2262 [17:30:39] <mauro25987> I run debian jessie with mdadm
2263 [17:31:02] <mutante> altendky: 1) means the "regular" package source lines and 2) means "stable security" lines
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2267 [17:32:27] <mutante> altendky: lol, wait, now i am confused myself by "If you are tracking testing or the next-stable code name, you should always have a corresponding deb replaced-url
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2269 [17:32:56] <mutante> because before it says to remove any "security.debian.org" lines, heh
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2273 [17:33:55] <mutante> altendky: either way, the string "stable" should not appear in it anymore :)
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2275 [17:34:08] <altendky> mutante: yeah, that much makes sense :]
2276 [17:34:41] <altendky> mutante: but i don't really want to be going without security updates (not that i really know what comes from the security repo)
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2279 [17:35:39] <mutante> altendky: well, it's like "there are kind of maybe still some updates" see replaced-url
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2283 [17:36:19] <mutante> i should phrase it differently. "we will try but there are no guarantees" maybe
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2287 [17:37:13] <n4dir> I can say it for sure for sid/unstable, but am not well informed when it comes to testing: The way security updates happen in Sid are different than the way it gets done in stable.
2288 [17:37:16] <altendky> mutante: ok. i have no issue with some delays. i'm not serving off this and it's behind a router so it's not as exposed as it could be.
2289 [17:37:32] <n4dir> replaced-url
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2291 [17:38:11] <n4dir> altendky: you might want to ask in #debian-next (oftc channel, irc)
2292 [17:38:16] <n4dir> server, not channel
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2294 [17:39:24] <altendky> n4dir: i tried to join before asking but need an invite. but you are saying i need to be on oftc.net not freenode for #debian-next?
2295 [17:39:55] <jelly> !debian-next
2296 [17:39:55] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
2297 [17:40:09] <mutante> altendky: 'behind a router' doesn't change much by itself
2298 [17:40:46] <jelly> altendky: you got that right, irc.oftc.net (or irc.debian.org, it's the same thing)
2299 [17:41:06] <n4dir> yes, like the factoid jelly just offered you have to be on oftc.net, altendky
2300 [17:41:10] <altendky> jelly: thank you for pointing out exactly what i didn't pay attention to
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2302 [17:41:24] <n4dir> happens to pretty much anyone, including me. :-)
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2306 [17:41:36] <jelly> hey, just so you know, it's on irc.oftc.net!!111
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2310 [17:44:43] <altendky> mutante: i'm also not in dmz or port forwarding so i would expect to be less exposed than if i were running a publicly published server with various services enabled. but sure, i don't mean that my router makes me all safe. of course, all desktop vulnerabilities from me clicking on stuff etc is completely unaffected.
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2322 [17:48:37] <mutante> altendky: ah, you mean the server doesn't have a public IP? well .. ehm.. kind of maybe, but also no :) replaced-url
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2328 [17:51:24] <mutante> altendky: of course the "with various services enabled" part makes perfect sense, it's all about not having services you dont need
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2330 [17:51:45] <mutante> but the router doesnt really affect it
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2333 [17:52:33] <kion> upon installing spyder3 and running it, it complains with: Missing Dependencies "rope >=0.9.4: None (NOK)", but the package does not seem bo be available in Debian, any ideas?
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2336 [17:53:12] <altendky> mutante: so with no port forwarding i'm just as vulnerable as i would be with a public ip for my computer? i'm not argue that i'm secure because i bought a router from amazon... just that i'm not running a publicly exposed server (nor private server for that matter).
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2341 [17:54:51] <n4dir> as far i can tell: if you have a router and no port-forwarding is enabled, then no one from the public internet will be able to "reach" a service running on a machine in the LAN.
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2349 [17:56:45] <altendky> anyways, all meant to express was that i'm not paranoid about security, i just don't want to turn security updates off entirely because of unclear instructions :]
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2351 [17:56:53] <n4dir> yup, i for one got that.
2352 [17:56:57] <mutante> altendky: i don't wanna decide if "just as vulnerable" or not, but i would just say you still want iptables.
2353 [17:57:11] <mutante> it's not wrong what yoy say, but .. from the article "A device that cannot forward packets since it is not able to process them correctly should not be called a firewall."
2354 [17:57:15] <sillyslux> i haven't seen proc and sysfs entries in etc/fstab for years, are these even necessary? reading man debootstrap now and it suggests to add them
2355 [17:57:20] <mutante> it just happens to not know where to send packets..
2356 [17:57:28] <n4dir> altendky: i understand the instructions on debian.wiki exactly as you do. I sure can tell it is like that for sid, but i am unsure about testing
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2358 [17:57:57] <n4dir> to be sure i would wait till someone here can tell for sure or ask in #debian-next (which sadly often is rather quiet)
2359 [17:57:57] <altendky> n4dir: eh? i don't understand them :]
2360 [17:58:07] <n4dir> I understand: remove all but the main line
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2364 [17:58:18] <altendky> n4dir: i did ask over there. i'll give it time. i'm not in a huge rush.
2365 [17:58:31] <n4dir> yeah, give it the according time .Good luck :-)
2366 [17:59:09] <n4dir> I guess if you have such a line, and it is "wrong", then apt-get update will simply tell you. A rather rough approach ...
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2371 [18:00:44] <altendky> mutante: sure. i know enough about security to know i don't know. i mostly trust major linux distros to do a better job than i would even on their non-stable releases. but i do also figure i'm less prone to problems because i'm not windows and not a server and i don't like dancing pigs etc
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2376 [18:02:06] <mutante> altendky: i'd install nmap and portscan myself, see what ports are open and ask if i really need them. then remove stuff. less stuff = good for security :)
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2379 [18:02:26] <altendky> mutante: but what fun, apparently the firewall on the router was turned off...
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2381 [18:03:06] <altendky> mutante: ssh and ipp (now to see what ipp is)
2382 [18:03:08] <mutante> altendky: heh, probably because somebody thought it's too much hassle to deal with. security always fights with convenience
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2385 [18:03:34] <n4dir> netstat -tulpen should do, no? (probably old-school to use netstat)
2386 [18:03:35] <altendky> mutante: i did have a messy back and forth with a support guy trying to get a vpn setup :[
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2388 [18:04:16] <altendky> mutante: oh, ipp is probably related to me sharing my non-cloud printer with google cloud print
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2392 [18:05:39] <mutante> altendky: *shudder* the combination of printer AND cloud . i hate printers already :)
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2394 [18:06:10] <mutante> altendky: hehe, ignore that, just a personal thing. printers are the worst hardware imho :)
2395 [18:06:21] <jhutchins_wk> I have not been able to connect to a stretch shared CUPS printer from another instance of stretch.
2396 [18:06:32] <altendky> mutante: yeah, not horrible to get working but not that fun. i've been tempted to just buy a new printer that supports it directly. i mean it costs about the same as a pack of ink.
2397 [18:06:33] <jhutchins_wk> Keeps complaining about not being able to handle the ipp URI.
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2399 [18:06:43] <n4dir> as far ssh is concernde: *if* you need it, then changing the default port, using keys instead of passwords, disable root login. There is a tool which will block login-attemps if several in a row go wrong, but i forgot the name
2400 [18:06:48] <jhutchins_wk> Keeps saying it's not connected. May be ipv6 related.
2401 [18:07:09] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: fail2ban?
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2404 [18:07:31] <jhutchins_wk> n4dir: You can also throttle connections in iptables.
2405 [18:07:41] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: exactly. thanks :-)
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2410 [18:08:46] <altendky> n4dir: yeah. if i were running a 'real' server i'd care (or just not run it myself). but for my laptop i'm not so worried. if someone wants into my laptop it's probably personal and they will probably be more dedicated than i am
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2412 [18:09:31] <n4dir> altendky: as long it isn't forwarded, i take it easy myself.
2413 [18:09:36] <mutante> if you dont use passwords to login and only allow keys, why bother even blocking the bruteforce attempts..
2414 [18:10:01] <n4dir> mutante: to get rid of neverending entries in the logfile.
2415 [18:10:04] <mutante> or changing the port
2416 [18:10:22] <mutante> n4dir: but i'm trading it for a new fail2ban logfile
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2418 [18:10:56] <altendky> really, all i care about right now is the 1/2 second black screen on my external monitor that happens seemingly randomly
2419 [18:11:16] <altendky> oh, and the inability to actually control my multiple sound devices and which is used
2420 [18:11:22] <n4dir> mutante: to each his own. I only mentioned a few approaches i know about.
2421 [18:11:52] <mutante> n4dir: yes, not a criticism. it was an honest open question if it makes a difference
2422 [18:12:36] <n4dir> you probably are right. But once i am at it (keys) , i create a ~/.ssh/config anyway (for comfort), so i don't mind much changing the port and such too
2423 [18:12:42] <echo> i fuess it's nicer to have all that mess in a separate log
2424 [18:12:51] <altendky> mutante: doesn't all the generic stuff (changing port etc) still provide obfuscation protection since there could be a bug anywhere?
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2426 [18:13:38] <n4dir> I once had ssh forwarded to the public internet. Many people scan those (probably many to simply train nmap ... :-).
2427 [18:14:28] <n4dir> altendky: what i just said. Really many people scan for port 22.
2428 [18:14:30] <echo> and you might even want to leave both key and pw authentication available if you might need to ssh in without your key
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2432 [18:16:06] <echo> yeh, 22 gets banged on all day
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2438 [18:17:27] <n4dir> pretty much the only port i know. Hence i would also pick that one if i wanted to fool with nmap.
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2443 [18:18:27] <metastable> altendky: Obfuscation is not security. It does not provide protection.
2444 [18:18:51] <metastable> Changing ports and fail2ban might make your logs a little less cluttered, but that's it.
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2446 [18:19:12] <n4dir> that's nonsense, of course.
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2448 [18:19:57] <metastable> Changing ports doesn't stop a portscan. fail2ban? If someone pops your box through random bruteforcing, then don't set your password to 'password'. The exploits that actually lead to compromise aren't something that fail2ban will protect against.
2449 [18:20:08] <altendky> metastable: i have no delusion that obfuscation would protect me against someone that wants to get me. neither does locking my door yet i do (sometimes) to avoid dealing with kids wandering in or whatever.
2450 [18:20:11] <mutante> "many people scan those" s/people/bots
2451 [18:20:19] <n4dir> turn in round your head. I am really not in the mood to explain it, metastable
2452 [18:20:59] <metastable> n4dir: K. Whatever that meant.
2453 [18:20:59] <altendky> metastable: changing a port would make _some_ _basic_ _lazy_ portscans miss it.
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2457 [18:21:40] <n4dir> that is what it's meant. It is not that hard to think of what altendky just pointed out
2458 [18:21:59] <echo> all security consists of reducing odds of a breach. obfuscation helps a little with that. the 'security by obscurity' thing is way overused.
2459 [18:22:03] <mutante> it's like i have my car parked on a giant parking lot. and it's locked. now some guy tries every single car to see if somebody forgot to lock. would i care that he tried on mine to find out i didn't forget it? maybe but not really
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2461 [18:22:25] <metastable> Sure, and basic lazy portscans aren't a threat. Neither are brute force attempts that aren't going to succeed any time within the next several thousand years.
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2463 [18:23:00] <metastable> Anyway, this is all a mess of false equivalencies and half-baked analogies. You all have fun.
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2466 [18:23:24] <echo> extreme, irrelevant examples don't actually make a good argument
2467 [18:24:03] <metastable> echo: Referring to the several thousand years statement?
2468 [18:24:20] <n4dir> replaced-url
2469 [18:24:37] <metastable> echo: If so, I was actually being conservative, by several orders of magnitude.
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2471 [18:25:22] <mutante> that manual even has a warning that it's security by obscurity to change the port
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2475 [18:27:18] <echo> so you wouldn't throw a blanket over your camera in the car?
2476 [18:27:26] <metastable> mutante: It's cargo cult security. Anyone deterred by such a basic measure wasn't a threat to begin with, and anyone with the resources to actually be a threat isn't going to be deterred by something so mundane.
2477 [18:27:47] <echo> it's odds. odds is math.
2478 [18:28:04] <petn-randall> Maybe we want to move this discussion to #debian-offtopic?
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2485 [18:31:13] <wwhite> Hi, how can I install debian stable with wayland+kde ? is it possible ?
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2508 [18:42:35] <jhutchins_wk> Running ssh on an alternate port is only tangentally a security measure. It's mostly a matter of convenience, not having to deal with constant script attacks.
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2511 [18:43:04] <petn-randall> It's a PITA if you're a group of admins and you have to communicate that info along, too.
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2513 [18:43:18] <petn-randall> Not worth the effort, IMO. pam_tally2 to the rescue!
2514 [18:43:19] <jhutchins_wk> Not only do most of the kiddie scripts only hit 22, the fact that you've changed the port indicates you are aware of the security issues and have likely hardened the sytem, making it not worth the effort.
2515 [18:43:38] <petn-randall> GAH, that meant to go to #debian-offtopic.
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2517 [18:43:54] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: Oh come on, you have to communicate a username and password, adding the port to that is less than trivial.
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2520 [18:44:37] <petn-randall> jhutchins_wk: It's 2017, I don't use user/pass for any SSH connections anymore.
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2522 [18:44:54] <jhutchins_wk> Running a daemon on 22 means you're going to get traffic to it from unauthorized users.
2523 [18:45:25] <jhutchins_wk> petn-randall: I've had a DDOS attack take down a server from the load of refusing connections.
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2525 [18:46:22] <jhutchins_wk> As echo implied, covering your camera with a blanket in the back seat of your car isn't exactly security, but it beats a broken window.
2526 [18:46:28] <Iridos> I somehow dislike services on non-standard hosts very much… it's like deliberate mis-filing of something …
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2528 [18:47:11] <mutante> runs ssh on 80 and httpd on 22 just to mess with Iridos
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2530 [18:47:27] <Iridos> evil!
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2533 [18:48:33] <Iridos> petn-randall, didn't know pam_tally, only fail2ban… guess I'm behind the times again
2534 [18:48:55] <Iridos> but that doesn't seem to do anything fundamen-tally different?
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2537 [18:49:49] <mutante> if i get connections from unkown people on 80, i proudly display it on the 90s-style "hitcounter" gif on my website, if i get connections from unknown people on 22 i am scared, right
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2539 [18:49:59] <metastable> Iridos: hyuk hyuk
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2541 [18:50:18] <Iridos> I mean… the smart thing would be to remember a certain IPs from successful login attempts and at least partially white-list them … i.e. allow 100 attempts or so… while others may get 5
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2544 [18:50:58] <shtrb> Iridos , something something NAT something something ISP screw you over
2545 [18:51:22] <Iridos> *shrug*
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2547 [18:52:27] <shtrb> At least when it is HTTP it is easy to see the original IP , when it's ssh there is nothing that helps me know it is shared
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2551 [18:56:08] <Iridos> who cares…
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2556 [18:58:00] <Iridos> There are 4.3 billion IPv4 Addresses… if you whitelist a couple of subnets, even with /16 masks, that's how far away?
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2562 [19:00:55] <kion> Just want to say THANKS to all the Debian Devs, I love my OS!!
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2585 [19:10:18] <samsara> Good evening, I'm considering installing a linux distro. Do you recomend starting with a "beginner's distro" such as ubuntu/linux mint, or with a more "hardcore" choice such as debian?
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2592 [19:11:27] <ska> petn-randall: I dont see that module loaded at all. pcspkr..
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2596 [19:14:37] <goiken-> samsara you should be fine on either.
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2599 [19:14:54] <jelly> samsara: what do you plan to use it for, a workstation, a server to learn things on?
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2603 [19:15:50] <samsara> for now I'd like to use it just to experience linux as a different OS and learn how to use it
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2606 [19:16:03] <relaxed> ska: I have "blacklist pcspkr" and "blacklist snd_pcsp" in /etc/modprobe.d/custom-blacklists.conf
2607 [19:16:38] <samsara> would I learn more by using more complex distro's such as debian, or "easier" distro's like ubuntu/mint?
2608 [19:16:48] <relaxed> ska: without the quotes
2609 [19:17:21] <ska> relaxed: hey thanks... I'll try.
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2611 [19:18:03] <goiken-> samsara I don’t think it makes much of a difference. Mint isn’t a distro but a desktop environment. It’s available in debian and you get asked in the default installer if you want to use it.
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2613 [19:18:40] <ska> relaxed: I don't see snd_pcsp loaded either..
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2615 [19:18:53] <samsara> I thought linux mint was a distro?
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2622 [19:19:28] <annadane> samsara, debian is very reliable and is the base for roughly half of linux distros. definitely recommend.
2623 [19:19:56] <ska> relaxed: I can turn it off in Amixer under the sound card, but that channel seems to keep getting turned back on.
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2629 [19:21:39] <mutante> samsara: i'm not even sure what is really supposed to be easier about Ubuntu (nowadays), it's almost all just packages they take from Debian. that said, even if it's harder i recommend it because you asked "would i learn more" :)
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2631 [19:22:26] <annadane> mint is a distro
2632 [19:22:28] <samsara> thank you all for your answers, goiken-, annadane, mutante
2633 [19:22:31] <relaxed> ska: man alsactl
2634 [19:22:40] <samsara> mutante, so you'd recommend debian?
2635 [19:22:46] <mutante> samsara: yes
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2637 [19:23:21] <mutante> samsara: of course you dont get a reliable survey if you ask on #debian but hell yes :)
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2641 [19:23:45] <f-a> hello, i am apt-get updating/ugrading
2642 [19:23:48] <f-a> and: The following packages have been kept back:
2643 [19:23:48] <f-a> linux-image-686-pae
2644 [19:24:07] <Resilience> what is redis servcer used for on debian?
2645 [19:24:10] <f-a> stretch and not frankendebian
2646 [19:24:20] <mutante> f-a: apt-get dist-upgrade if you also want to upgrade the kernel
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2648 [19:24:44] <jhutchins_wk> !mint
2649 [19:24:44] <dpkg> Linux Mint is not Debian and is not supported in #debian. Please use their forums at replaced-url
2650 [19:25:04] <f-a> jhutchins_wk: whom is this for?
2651 [19:25:07] * jelly offers jhutchins_wk a fisherman's friend
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2656 [19:25:55] <f-a> mutante: so I have to dist-upgrade to update kernel, even if I am not passing from, say, jessie to stretch?
2657 [19:25:58] <jhutchins_wk> samsara: Mint is a distribution, derived from Ubuntu and/or Debian, currently ranked #1 at replaced-url
2658 [19:25:58] <jelly> f-a: !mint is not for you, there was a conversation before you joined in
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2660 [19:26:08] <f-a> thanks, jelly
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2662 [19:26:24] <jelly> f-a: yes. dist-upgrade has nothing to di with release upgrades.
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2665 [19:26:43] <f-a> thanks
2666 [19:26:44] <jelly> !dist-upgrade
2667 [19:26:45] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
2668 [19:27:02] <ska> Is it possible to use pulseaudio without alsa?
2669 [19:27:21] <mutante> f-a: what jelly said, it's just a confusing name
2670 [19:27:42] <jelly> ska: I guess you might have like tcp socket sinks as default instead of sound cards
2671 [19:27:47] <f-a> jelly: mutante: thanks, `man apt-get` is a bit less clear than !dist-upgrade
2672 [19:27:58] <f-a> in any case, it worked, \o/
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2674 [19:28:25] <jelly> f-a: not jsut man, but read CAREFULLY!
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2676 [19:28:36] <jelly> -_-
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2696 [19:40:16] <ska> amixer -c0 -- sset 'Speaker',0 off works, but if i do an 'alsactl init' first, it will also turn off master.
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2713 [19:44:59] <hazzy> hello
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2719 [19:45:39] <echo> when upgrading to the next release, after changing sources.list and doing apt update, is it better to apt upgrade followed by apt dist-upgrade, or is apt dist-upgrade enough by itself?
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2723 [19:46:33] <f-a> echo: I always did dist-upgrade
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2725 [19:46:53] <f-a> update will most likely highlight conflicts and nothing else productive
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2735 [19:47:19] <hazzy> I am using Debian 9 and my `.exsession-errors` file has just ballooned to 12.7 GB. Can I delete it?
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2738 [19:47:44] <f-a> hazzy: yup, but maybe take a look inside
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2767 [19:50:36] <hazzy> f-a: it is going to take forever to load 12.7 gb into a text editor :D
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2778 [19:52:14] <f-a> hazzy: yeah hehe
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2791 [19:58:14] <samsara> Okay, I'm going with debian I think! Once I've learned to use it, will I also know how to use Ubuntu?
2792 [19:58:28] <RoyK> hazzy: Once upon a time, we had something called Word Perfect (late eightees and early ninetees), that was very good at loading only whatever necessary to show the user. I wonder if vim is ever going to implement something like that
2793 [19:58:59] <f-a> samsara: there is some overlap
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2798 [20:00:52] <RoyK> samsara, f-a, it's 95% overlap, at least, probably more.
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2800 [20:01:12] <hazzy> RoyK: Yes, really do need something like that for viewing large files. vim does OK but takes a while with really big files
2801 [20:01:53] <kion> samsara, If you are concerned about your privacy, stay away from ubuntu.
2802 [20:01:55] <samsara> Thanks! Shall I go for the "stable" or for the "testing" release?
2803 [20:02:00] <hazzy> I gave up trying to read the log and just deleted it as I was completely out of disk space
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2806 [20:02:21] <mutante> samsara: Ubuntu used to have their own desktop environment, Unity, but they gave up on that so now it's even more just like Debian. the answer is Yes
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2808 [20:02:44] <kion> samsara, use the stable release
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2810 [20:03:14] <f-a> samsara: testing has a bit more recent software selection. stable is, well stable and supported
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2815 [20:06:05] <RoyK> hsiktas: I just asked the same question (more or less) on #vim, and was given a quick "no" as an answer
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2817 [20:06:45] <RoyK> hsiktas: sorry, that was for hazzy, but he left
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2822 [20:07:47] <f-a> RoyK: ^
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2829 [20:10:30] <hazzy> f-a: .exsession-erros is now staying in the kb range, Hurray! I wonder what all those errors were caused by ....
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2832 [20:11:39] <f-a> my bet: replaced-url
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2835 [20:12:03] <nkuttler> x-replaced-url
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2845 [20:14:13] <vvz> hazzy, so you didn't have a quick peek?
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2848 [20:15:10] <hazzy> I could not get the file to load, it was 12.7 gb when I opened it and 13.4 a second later :D
2849 [20:15:19] <f-a> oh my oh my
2850 [20:15:27] <f-a> is it still mushrooming ?
2851 [20:16:01] <hazzy> no, deleted it and restarted and it seems to be staying in the kb range
2852 [20:16:01] <vvz> hazzy, tail it
2853 [20:16:37] <hazzy> wz: how?
2854 [20:16:41] <hazzy> I am a noob
2855 [20:17:05] <jhutchins_wk> hazzy: In a case like that you probably want to shut down X until you figure out the error.
2856 [20:17:12] <vvz> hazzy, like `tail -1000 .xsession.errors'
2857 [20:17:44] <hazzy> ah, thanks. Will do that next time!
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2862 [20:19:42] <hazzy> I think Dropbox might have been the culprit, but it might have acted up do to there being to disk space left
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2866 [20:21:38] <eizi> hi all
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2869 [20:22:19] <eizi> anyone here who has time to help me with a question ? :)
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2915 [20:46:12] <metaphysician> Hello Debian users, do you create and use your own apt repository for custom packages/configuration management? How do you do that? How do you supersede default config files while also retaining the ability to directly install official package updates?
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2918 [20:47:24] <RoyK> !custm repo
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2920 [20:47:36] <metaphysician> !custom repo
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2922 [20:48:04] <RoyK> metaphysician: for cnfig management, just use git and ansible or cfengine or whatever you prefer - I like ansible
2923 [20:48:29] <RoyK> metaphysician: to create a custom repo for packages, there are lots of resources on the net
2924 [20:48:30] <metaphysician> ok.
2925 [20:48:57] <RoyK> perhaps ansible itself is sufficient also - depends on your needs
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2927 [20:49:05] <RoyK> how many machines are you managing?
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2930 [20:49:50] <metaphysician> RoyK: less than 10
2931 [20:50:01] <RoyK> not an issue then - I'd go with ansible
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2936 [20:51:02] <metaphysician> Wikimedia has a lot of puppet recipes replaced-url
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2938 [20:51:26] <RoyK> as I said - choose which one you like
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2940 [20:51:43] <RoyK> I like ansible, since it's simple and just uses ssh for transport, so you don't need a client
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2942 [20:52:12] <RoyK> there's cfengine too, and chef
2943 [20:52:16] <RoyK> and possibly a lot more
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2958 [20:59:58] <metaphysician> but it's sad that Wikimedia mostly uses Ubuntu and not Debian.
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2961 [21:02:56] <mutante> metaphysician: that's not true anymore :)
2962 [21:03:15] <mutante> metaphysician: switched to debian, about to kill all the trusty, upgrading stuff to stretch. majority Debian :)
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2964 [21:04:26] <metaphysician> mutante: Great!!!
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2967 [21:05:39] <mutante> metaphysician: it has to do with Wikimedia ops having actual DDs nowadays
2968 [21:05:41] <echo> but on the internet as a whole, ubuntu recently passed debian as the most-used server os.
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2970 [21:06:37] <mutante> and still you can't get a straight answer how "ubuntu server" is different from debian?
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2972 [21:06:45] <RoyK> echo: which is like saying "7 billion flies can't be wrong: EAT SHIT!"
2973 [21:06:57] <jhutchins_wk> Hmn, no cats today.
2974 [21:07:01] <mutante> echo: i bet it's because managers like to be able to say "we have a support contract"
2975 [21:07:10] <mutante> (which then isnt used)
2976 [21:07:13] <metaphysician> Ubuntu provides convenience features. I want Debian to provide these convenience features too.
2977 [21:07:37] <RoyK> mutante: different priorities - ubuntu is interesting in new stuff to make their desktop OS better - debian is concervative, albeit not as bad as redhat/centos
2978 [21:07:59] <mutante> RoyK: but we are talking about servers so the whole desktop stuff doesnt matter?
2979 [21:08:21] <RoyK> mutante: the ubuntu "server" is just a subset of their "desktop"
2980 [21:08:22] <jhutchins_wk> metaphysician: Why not just use ubuntu?
2981 [21:08:33] <RoyK> mutante: so new packages flow in easier
2982 [21:08:50] <RoyK> mutante: less testing, more sns
2983 [21:08:52] <RoyK> !sns
2984 [21:08:52] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
2985 [21:08:57] <mutante> RoyK: you are saying Ubuntu server has packages that are not from Debian?
2986 [21:09:06] <RoyK> indeed
2987 [21:09:09] <jhutchins_wk> "convenience feature" == lazy sysadmin
2988 [21:09:36] <jhutchins_wk> mutante: Ubuntu builds their own packages.
2989 [21:09:37] <RoyK> mutante: ubuntu server is just ubuntu desktop without the fancy graphics
2990 [21:09:55] <jhutchins_wk> Possibly with apache and mail thrown in.
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2994 [21:10:47] <RoyK> mutante: if you need newer packages than those in debian, you can probably find them in backports
2995 [21:11:04] <RoyK> mutante: usually you can live with old packages unless you're doing some cutting-edge stuff
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2997 [21:11:09] <metaphysician> jhutchins_wk: because I'll prefer to use a more democratic distro
2998 [21:11:15] <mutante> RoyK: i dont neeed newer packages, i am happy with Debian
2999 [21:11:23] <RoyK> mutante: and in that case, well, setup a vm and run it there instead of infecting your system
3000 [21:11:30] <RoyK> mutante: good
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3011 [21:15:11] <jhutchins_wk> metaphysician: This distro has democratically chosen not to implement the same "convenience features".
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3015 [21:15:36] <metaphysician> jhutchins_wk: ok, then I am with it. :)
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3020 [21:17:29] <Droid2Debian> What is debian release life cycle like?
3021 [21:18:39] <tw> Droid2Debian: replaced-url
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3024 [21:20:22] <metaphysician> What are backports-sloppy archives for?
3025 [21:20:34] <Droid2Debian> aee there any precompiled packages of the 4.13.x series kernel?
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3027 [21:21:36] <Droid2Debian> thank you for the link metaphysician
3028 [21:21:51] <metaphysician> Explained here replaced-url
3029 [21:21:56] <jhutchins_wk> !backports-sloppy
3030 [21:21:57] <dpkg> stable-backports has packages from packages the current 'testing' release; you can upgrade from stable+backports to testing (or oldstable+backports to stable). Packages that were backported from 'testing' to 'oldstable' are in oldstable-backports-sloppy; if you use these packages, then you can upgrade from oldstable+backports+backports-sloppy to stable+backports. Sloppy means "relaxed rules" not "crap packages".
3031 [21:22:50] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
3032 [21:22:51] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.14.0-rc5-686 (4.14~rc5-1~exp1); sid: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); buster: 4.13.0-1-686 (4.13.4-2); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.2-686-pae (4.12.13-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-4-686 (4.9.51-1); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u5~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u5); wheezy-backports:
3033 [21:22:52] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.93-1)
3034 [21:23:23] <jhutchins_wk> Droid2Debian: Hasn't made it to stretch yet.
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3036 [21:25:15] <Droid2Debian> I'de have to do the package building on mh machine
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3040 [21:27:46] <Droid2Debian> Damn I really wish I had the extra dough lying around to leasse amzon and or google virtual environment and help without with nthe testing of newer kernels?
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3042 [21:29:24] <metaphysician> I first used Debian when squeeze was released.
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3072 [21:48:01] <petn-randall> ska: Congrats! Then you have successfully deactivated the pc speaker. If your problem still persists, tell us about that, instead.
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3078 [21:51:50] <judd> Package: heimdall-flash on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.0-2; buster: 1.4.1-2+b1; sid: 1.4.1-2+b1; stretch: 1.4.1-2+b1
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3160 [22:34:32] <Aethenelle> I'd like to use tang and clevis on our network. I see there are ITPs for them already but they're pretty old (2/2017) and there's a dependency (http-parser) that's really out of date. I have some bandwidth now to do the initial packaging but don't want to remain the maintainer long term. Is there a good place I could prep all the packaging work for someone else to do the final package upload?
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3164 [22:35:53] <n4dir> !mentors
3165 [22:35:53] <dpkg> methinks mentors is the system the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg>. replaced-url
3166 [22:35:57] <n4dir> you could ask there.
3167 [22:36:02] <n4dir> ups: i think.
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3216 [23:03:05] <bibiyanki> hello what'sup
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3242 [23:13:34] <dTal> Someone in #linux is claiming that manpages aren't installed by default in Debian anymore
3243 [23:13:54] <dTal> I'm pretty sure that's nonsense but I don't have access to a fresh install
3244 [23:14:34] <SpeakFreely> Hello, could someone give me some insight into why sometimes when I lock my computer, my windows will move from my main monitor (1440p) to one of my side monitors (1080p). When this happens, the top is cut off so I cannot minimize or close it out. When I open my dash (the super key) I cannot drag it over to my main monitor, I have to close the window out. This happens with any application
3245 [23:14:35] <dTal> can someone confirm/deny?
3246 [23:14:52] <annadane> no they definitely are
3247 [23:15:32] <dTal> thank you annadane
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3274 [23:22:45] <charking> hello. I am using Baobab to examine the usage on a share. It reports 76.3TB used, but df -h reports 54TB used. What could account for the discrepancy?
3275 [23:22:45] <charking> Baobab i.e. Disk Usage Analyzer
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3283 [23:25:58] <youssef> hi people!, can i ask emacs related questins here?
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3285 [23:26:23] <youssef> *questions
3286 [23:26:30] <CashDash123> Is Debain 6 still supported?
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3288 [23:26:46] <CashDash123> Nm
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3290 [23:26:58] <CashDash123> was mistaking that with 7
3291 [23:27:13] <youssef> CashDash123: Debian 6 isn't supported
3292 [23:27:31] <youssef> also 7 , CashDash123
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3294 [23:27:42] <fjasle> charking: possibly some filesystem features may make a difference, e.g. compression, wholes, hard links...
3295 [23:27:43] <CashDash123> youssef, 7's still supported
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3297 [23:28:01] <KNUBBIG> Hi! I have the problem that MailScanner seems to ignore the delivery rules for spam after disinfecting an email. Deleting Spam works fine but if I get a message that gets disinfected but is spam, the message is delivered (I need disinfected mails to be delivered). Anyone got an idea?
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3299 [23:28:13] <youssef> oh sorry CashDash123 i meant only as LTS
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3316 [23:34:52] <Shmam> Why does Discover app show that there is an update for polychromatic/openrazer-meta? When I try to install it, it says that it will remove: "python3-razer (1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-daemon (1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-doc (1.1.16-0ubuntu1), razer-kernel-modules-dkms (1.1.16-0ubuntu1)". Will that stop my keyboard from working by removing the drivers?
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3323 [23:38:35] <CashDash123> Wow Debain didn't support UEFI for a long time
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3344 [23:47:22] <ws2k3> im seeing this kind of loglines alot: Oct 19 23:44:52 pay01 crash_20171019234450_1.dmp[572932]: Uploading dump (out-of-process)#012/tmp/dumps/crash_20171019234450_1.dmp
3345 [23:47:22] <ws2k3> are that core dumps? is debian making them?
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