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• 10[00:01:51] <durg> hi
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• 12[00:02:06] <durg> is there a way to set the default iptables policy to DROP?
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• 17[00:03:09] <durg> so that all packets are dropped unless i change my mind
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• 22[00:05:30] <frostschutz> durg, iptables --policy?
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• 26[00:06:36] <petemc> durg: usually you put that at the end of your ruleset
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• 29[00:06:47] <durg> that would change the policy, but i want it to be 'DROP' from the start
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• 33[00:07:45] <durg> instead of ACCEPT
• 34[00:08:15] <frostschutz> durg, that's what it does. you change the policy and then it will drop
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• 36[00:08:53] <strangethings> I've noticed some strange behaviors after upgrading from jessie to stretch -- 1st, I'm no longer able to highlight text and past into a vim editor anymore. I used to be able to do this by putting vim into insert mode, but now it doesn't work anymore
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• 39[00:09:48] <strangethings> 2 - now that I've updated, everytime I try and do a search in firefox-esr, I have to hit the enter key twice
• 40[00:10:05] <strangethings> should I just take a few days and do a fresh install?
• 41[00:10:12] <strangethings> or more like a week
• 42[00:11:04] <strangethings> 1 more thing, is there a way to obtain a list of what's installed now on my system, so that after I do a fresh install I can install all the same packages and dependencies?
• 43[00:11:11] <strangethings> maybe that's best
• 44[00:11:13] <durg> the background is that i installed some scripts in /etc/network/pre-up-if.d, but i do not trust them yet and want to check if they really work.
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• 46[00:12:09] <durg> so where would i set the -P DROP policy at system startup?
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• 56[00:15:15] <durg> there is apt list --installed
• 57[00:15:56] <Tramp> !debian clone
• 58[00:15:56] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
• 59[00:16:01] <Tramp> strangethings: ^^
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• 61[00:17:02] <durg> ah that is cool
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• 64[00:18:07] <petemc> strangethings: the vim thing is a change in defaults, you need to create a .vimrc with set mouse-=a
• 65[00:18:20] <petemc> i find it annoying too
• 66[00:19:46] <Vizva> fallen to energy saving screen and then come back 2 screens are there
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• 68[00:20:13] <durg> i wonder if cloning with dpkg or feeding apt-get with all the packages from 'apt list --installed' gives the same result
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• 70[00:20:29] <Vizva> therefore i had the first times the screen nr one - i was wait so long that screen saver come in
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• 76[00:22:16] <Vizva> and the colors are so clear and wonderful - no fraquments - i think video will be lovely
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• 78[00:23:21] <durg> not sure what the question is, is there a problem with the screens due to energy management?
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• 80[00:23:34] <strangethings> just curious, does anyone else have problems with stretch after installing from jessie, or can anyone that has installed stretch from scratch let me know if they are having the above mentioned problems
• 81[00:23:42] <strangethings> copy and past to vim don't work no more
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• 83[00:24:07] <strangethings> firefox-esr search required hitting the enter key twice now
• 84[00:24:27] <durg> i didn't experience that firefox-esr thing
• 85[00:24:29] <Vizva> iam sorry all i did say in the wrong channel
• 86[00:24:30] <strangethings> just wondering if it's because I went from jessie to stretch
• 87[00:24:41] <durg> fresh install
• 88[00:24:43] <strangethings> durg: good to know
• 89[00:25:22] <strangethings> I'm waiting on a couple SSD drives here, finally paid the piper, so will dry a fresh install on one of those
• 90[00:25:39] <durg> no problem
• 91[00:25:56] <durg> ah, that is cool, strangethings
• 92[00:26:21] <strangethings> only problem is that I need a way to install all the same dependancies and packages as I've built some things from source and I'll have to track them down otherwise, any ideas on how to do that?
• 93[00:26:30] <strangethings> I've been searching for feels like a week now
• 94[00:26:42] <strangethings> what feels like a week now
• 95[00:26:52] <petemc> strangethings: press shift when right click pasting into vim, or change .vimrc as i suggested
• 96[00:27:23] <durg> read about 'one of the ways of clonging debian' above
• 97[00:27:30] <durg> *cloning
• 98[00:28:10] <durg> its probably best to just copy the source and/or bins to the fresh install
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• 100[00:28:49] <strangethings> right, copy them over, but I'll need to make sure the dependancies are installed. I'll look into the cloning as suggested
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• 103[00:29:43] <durg> it is simple, it just puts all the selections in a file and rereads them later
• 104[00:29:50] <durg> sounds exactly like what you want
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• 109[00:30:36] <strangethings> yes, that is exactly what I'm looking for
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• 112[00:32:08] <strangethings> I just did another test, copied some text from firefox-esr, then tried to past it, reads "E353 nothing to register" a number of times then finally inserts it
• 113[00:32:42] <strangethings> that's if I do a ctrl-c to copy the text, but highlighting from another xterm does not work
• 114[00:32:50] <strangethings> definitely not working as usual
• 115[00:33:04] <strangethings> but this clone thing should make a fresh install not to much work
• 116[00:33:23] <durg> i don't have had good experiences with distroupgrades as well, that is why i usually reinstall or keep the older version
• 117[00:33:38] <durg> *i didn't have
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• 123[00:36:31] <durg> wow just read that loadlin can replace the windows kernel with a linux kernel
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• 125[00:37:52] <strangethings> well, thanks for the advice durg, gotta go now
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• 142[00:44:43] <david1> Does anyone know how to fix the bug of the SDL version 1 that comes with Debian? I read it needs to be upgraded, but I can't find the page again. I know it doesn't work because I tried using prboom-plus for doom and the audio doesn't work right usind SDL, which you need for full quality sound.
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• 200[01:16:33] <evilbug> why the hell is firefox-esr the default in debian?
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• 203[01:18:10] <petemc> evilbug: do you know how debian stable works?
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• 205[01:18:27] <evilbug> stretch?
• 206[01:18:58] <Epakai> pretty sure it's a global conspiracy, or because it's easier to use upstream's efforts than backport security fixes constantly
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• 208[01:19:28] <evilbug> it's just silly that firefox isn't up to date. if it's headless server you're not installing any browsers but for a desktop it'd make sense to have a stable, up to date browser in the repos by default.
• 209[01:19:54] <evilbug> might as well just offer ie6.
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• 212[01:20:48] <evilbug> not trolling, i love debian. this specific firefox thing though is baffling to me.
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• 215[01:21:30] <petemc> this is not a new argument
• 216[01:21:33] <awal1> "efforts than backport security fixes constantly"? can you do it for us? maintain constantly
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• 218[01:21:54] <Epakai> this is what it is to be stable in debian. only security and critical fix updates
• 219[01:21:58] <awal1> it's easier to use upstream's efforts than backport security fixes constantly
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• 221[01:22:38] <awal1> he says :D
• 222[01:23:47] <awal1> evilbug, you can use firefox standard
• 223[01:24:00] <evilbug> i know i can, i've even installed the beta on my system.
• 224[01:24:16] <evilbug> but esr is a silly thing especially since even certain plugins don't support it.
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• 226[01:24:57] <evilbug> might as well just not include firefox, period. i get maintaining is pita but i say either maintain up to date or skip it.
• 227[01:25:30] <annadane> i think you're the first person i've ever heard complain about firefox-esr being in debian
• 228[01:25:56] <evilbug> well if plugins i've installed don't support a version that old why wouldn't i complain?
• 229[01:26:07] <evilbug> bitch and moan, as it were.
• 230[01:26:19] <evilbug> oh, hi bitch :)
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• 234[01:27:04] <evilbug> it's like how edge and internet explorer come with windows. why bother including them when nobody uses them...
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• 238[01:28:49] <klys> i appreciate how we have a dfsg-compliant version of mozilla's browser in debian.
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• 240[01:29:38] <dvs> better than nuthin
• 241[01:29:50] <evilbug> but it's out of date :/
• 242[01:30:11] <dvs> its still useful
• 243[01:30:17] <klys> free software is not going out of date anytime soon
• 244[01:30:35] <evilbug> so what if i want to install ublock?
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• 247[01:30:54] <evilbug> and have the faster engine.
• 248[01:30:55] <annadane> ,v firefox-esr
• 249[01:30:57] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
• 250[01:31:11] <dvs> ,v firefox
• 251[01:31:12] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 56.0-2; experimental: 57.0~b6-1
• 252[01:31:25] <annadane> ah, well, i was going to say ublock works for me in firefox-esr but i'm using sid which has a newer version so can't vouch for stretch
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• 257[01:31:55] <klys> and I appreciate using a browser that can still work with tab-mix-plus.
• 258[01:32:31] <dvs> annadane, #debian-next!!!! ;-)
• 259[01:32:49] <annadane> well, to be fair, with esr you might expect it to be the same version
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• 261[01:34:11] <coruja> firefox-esr will probably be updated for stretch when a new esr version is released, firefox won't appear in stretch anyway
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• 263[01:34:32] <annadane> honestly, just use a newer firefox, you don't have to bitch about it
• 264[01:34:32] <klys> and i think it's weird to expect a proprietary broswer tree to replace core elements of a maintained and popular debian project.
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• 266[01:35:13] <annadane> i actually didn't know regular firefox was proprietary. that's a surprise.
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• 268[01:35:47] <klys> well, perhaps it is not, though the fsf considered the mpl a non-free / harmful license long ago.
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• 275[01:36:53] <oerheks> annadane, no it is not, replaced-url
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• 377[02:40:12] <spyke581> Hello, Im trying to mount an NFS share on one of my Debian VMs and it is giving me an error that says "requested NFS version or transport protocol is not supported" can anybody lend some advise on what might cause this? the same shares mount successfully on Xubuntu and CentOS VMs
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• 451[03:42:33] <jonwil> I have a system running a debian derivative and using apt-get for package management. If I run apt-get -s upgrade I see it showing "the following packages have been kept back" and "the following packages will be upgraded". How does apt-get decide which packages will be upgraded and which will be kept back?
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• 454[03:44:28] <annadane> !based on debian
• 455[03:44:29] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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• 457[03:44:44] <annadane> what derivative are you using so we can point you to their support
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• 475[03:55:36] <spyke581> So further info on the above NFS issue, when I run "showmount -e x.x.x.x" it returns "clnt_create: RPC: Program not registered"
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• 477[03:55:51] <spyke581> this command works correctly on the other machines
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• 489[04:07:40] <iflema> annadane: thats a general question and this channel aint overflowing with requets ATM. More over thats a good one to drop in front of idlers...
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• 491[04:08:58] <annadane> what? i was asking jonwil
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• 494[04:10:01] <iflema> what? pfff
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• 496[04:10:09] <iflema> just saying...
• 497[04:11:17] <annadane> it's still a question about debian derivs for which we can't know the differences
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• 502[04:13:09] <dTal> people routinely ask completely generic shell stuff in here which gets answered
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• 504[04:13:23] <dTal> a question about apt in a quiet channel seems debian-y enough
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• 506[04:15:14] <TimeTraveler> hi folks
• 507[04:15:22] <iflema> its 50/50. If they want to know what packages are holding what back then maybe the distro channel is the place if not google or the package manager itself.
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• 509[04:15:39] <TimeTraveler> im having some trouble burning a data disk
• 510[04:15:43] <TimeTraveler> using brasero
• 511[04:15:53] <TimeTraveler> when i click burn it immediatly ejects the disk
• 512[04:15:55] <iflema> o/
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• 514[04:16:06] <TimeTraveler> an internal error occured
• 515[04:16:11] <TimeTraveler> the logs file doesnt say much more
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• 518[04:18:54] <iflema> TimeTraveler: replaced-url
• 519[04:19:36] <iflema> TimeTraveler: do you have it installed? and that link if for current
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• 521[04:20:29] <TimeTraveler> iflema, yeah i have that installed
• 522[04:20:42] <TimeTraveler> im using the lg slim blur-ray burner with m-disk support
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• 524[04:20:47] <annadane> even if we can answer their question it's a bad habit to ask like that
• 525[04:20:52] <annadane> anyway, whatever
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• 529[04:22:46] <iflema> TimeTraveler: im fresh out of ideas
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• 534[04:24:27] <iflema> TimeTraveler: what if you start it from a terminal? any clues? And what log?
• 535[04:24:57] <TimeTraveler> log just says:
• 536[04:25:00] <TimeTraveler> Checking session consistency (brasero_burn_check_session_consistency brasero-burn.c:1739)
• 537[04:25:00] <TimeTraveler> Unsupported type of task operation
• 538[04:25:00] <TimeTraveler> Session error : An internal error occurred (brasero_burn_record brasero-burn.c:2856)
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• 542[04:25:50] * iflema Unsupported type of task operation. next.
• 543[04:25:52] <iflema> =)
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• 556[04:32:12] <Ellied> does anyone have a system using encrypted LVM where they can successfully resume from hibernate? I have never had Debian successfully resume from disk suspend, it *always* hangs. It worked fine on Manjaro.
• 557[04:32:16] <iflema> TimeTraveler: CD or DVD?
• 558[04:32:33] <TimeTraveler> iflema, Blue ray disk
• 559[04:32:38] <iflema> heh
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• 561[04:33:22] <Ellied> I have a swap partition over twice as big as my RAM, and I've added a resume=UUID=[uuid-here] term to my kernel parameters. still no dice.
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• 563[04:34:00] <ryouma> Ellied: i presume resume= overrides teh initrd file?
• 564[04:34:43] <ryouma> there is an initrd file that might be worth editing, maybe. altohugh something generates it.
• 565[04:34:52] <Ellied> it might; the initrd file was pointing to the swap volume's entry in /dev/mapper, but I just changed it to the UUID. about to see if it works now.
• 566[04:34:59] <ryouma> file in initrd
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• 568[04:35:38] <TimeTraveler> hmm
• 569[04:35:39] <ryouma> i found resume to be incorrect, although i do not hibernate
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• 573[04:36:31] <Ellied> I like the idea of having it working because I'm under the impression a hibernated (encrypted) system is harder to access than one that is just suspended to RAM, but I could be wrong about that.
• 574[04:36:36] <TimeTraveler> is brasero the best burn app for debian?
• 575[04:36:44] <Ellied> more relevantly, I might not care about that level of security.
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• 589[04:40:49] <iflema> TimeTraveler: maybe not for this? There are mutiple command line programs. Im not sure all the deps for brasero line up for this job.
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• 591[04:41:15] <Ellied> Nope, that didn't do anything. it still apparently finishes decrypting and then just turns off the display and hangs
• 592[04:41:17] <iflema> maybe... im looking through it now
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• 594[04:42:10] <Ellied> my other machines at least do me the courtesy of booting fresh when resume fails
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• 597[04:42:52] <TimeTraveler> hmm
• 598[04:43:02] <TimeTraveler> brasero not working too great :(
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• 600[04:43:21] <bazhang> TimeTraveler, to do what
• 601[04:43:27] <iflema> yeah CDs are a bad idea anyway
• 602[04:43:33] <bazhang> TimeTraveler, why not try the many other options
• 603[04:44:18] <TimeTraveler> bazhang, trying to burn a Blueray data disc
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• 606[04:44:44] <annadane> time travel into the future and find better software :-)
• 607[04:44:46] <annadane> sorry
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• 609[04:44:56] <iflema> lol
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• 624[04:54:34] <TimeTraveler> i guess BD-R discs are not supported?
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• 632[05:04:20] <iflema> TimeTraveler: there are mutiple command line applications that can
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• 635[05:06:08] <TimeTraveler> iflema, yeah im looking into them now
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• 650[05:18:53] <TimeTraveler> ok, burning my M-disc now
• 651[05:18:57] <TimeTraveler> :)
• 652[05:19:04] <TimeTraveler> hope this works
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• 657[05:22:32] <TimeTraveler> anyone use m-discs?
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• 660[05:25:23] <Elminster> Hi folks. I'm working on the installation of an ubuntu server on an old computer and -yes I've only got a couple of dozen hours under my belt- but I can't figure out the following problem: sudo apt-get updates --- It cannot find the ca.archive.ubuntu.com. I tried to ping, host -v, change the resolv.conf nameserver to the router ip dedicated to this machine... and no success.
• 661[05:25:26] <iflema> not here. Im lucky to backup. I just put some things in the clouds
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• 663[05:26:14] <TimeTraveler> Elminster, why not try the ubuntu channel?
• 664[05:26:17] <Elminster> The wireless connection was working in the install process.
• 665[05:26:28] <TimeTraveler> heh iflema
• 666[05:26:39] <Elminster> Will do TimeTraveler.
• 667[05:26:46] <TimeTraveler> i have some important photos to backup
• 668[05:26:49] <TimeTraveler> long term
• 669[05:27:06] <iflema> Elminster: you cant edit resolv.conf in these distros can you?
• 670[05:27:26] <iflema> Elminster: networkmanger or something blows it away does it not?
• 671[05:28:01] <TimeTraveler> m-disc is supposed to have a 1000 year lifespan
• 672[05:28:19] <iflema> really?
• 673[05:28:24] <iflema> huh
• 674[05:28:24] <TimeTraveler> yup
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• 678[05:29:07] <Elminster> No -- I can edit it (ubuntu server 17.04) with sudo
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• 680[05:29:42] <Elminster> No shit.
• 681[05:30:07] <TimeTraveler> in 1000 years advanced civilizations will marvel at my cat and dick picks
• 682[05:30:09] <TimeTraveler> pics
• 683[05:30:19] <TimeTraveler> who knows maybe ill even be hanging in a museum somewhere
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• 685[05:31:06] <petemc> examples of anceint macro photography
• 686[05:31:31] <TimeTraveler> hah
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• 688[05:33:30] <TimeTraveler> damn this burning is slow
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• 700[05:45:32] <PGNd> I'm attempting to launch a Debian9 installer in a Xen Guest VM, in UEFI mode. I've no problems launching OpenSUSE guests; UbuntuServer guests launch as well (though there are some graphics problems).
• 701[05:45:59] <petn-randall> Hi PGNd, what is stopping you from doing so?
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• 703[05:46:00] <PGNd> But, the Debian9 guest *does* detect UEFI mode -- I *see* the TianoCore/ovmf logo.
• 704[05:46:26] <PGNd> But it simply drops to the EFI Shell ... with no ability to boot further.
• 705[05:46:46] <petn-randall> PGNd: Which installer did you pick?
• 706[05:46:51] <PGNd> IIUC, Debian9 is supposed to be UEFI bootable?
• 707[05:47:11] <petn-randall> PGNd: It is, though it doesn't support secure boot.
• 708[05:47:11] <PGNd> petn-randall: I've tried both net-install, and full dvd #1
• 709[05:47:53] <petn-randall> PGNd: I'd check the EFI settings menu and double-check that secure boot is turned off.
• 710[05:48:10] <PGNd> I'd normally add "\EFI\debian\grubx64.efi" to startup.nsh ... but there's no trace of it on the iso
• 711[05:48:33] <PGNd> petn-randall: I've turned off SecureBoot in Tianocor firmware setup.
• 712[05:48:38] <PGNd> No diff.
• 713[05:48:57] <Butterz> petn-randall is correct....turn off secure boot in your BIOS
• 714[05:48:57] <petn-randall> PGNd: Are you passing the installer images as CD/DVD to the VM?
• 715[05:49:09] <PGNd> petn-randall: yes
• 716[05:49:13] <Butterz> petn-randall: do you agree?
• 717[05:49:14] <Butterz> ok
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• 719[05:50:17] <Butterz> you may need to switch to LEGACY
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• 721[05:52:14] <PGNd> Butterz: "LEGACY"? You mean bios_grub partition, with MBR?
• 722[05:53:23] <Butterz> sry guys...PGNd, I mean legacy vs. UEFI in BIOS setup
• 723[05:53:52] <PGNd> The point is getting UEFI to work ...
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• 725[05:57:38] <Butterz> could this possibly require a firmware update??
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• 727[05:58:56] <PGNd> I'm running latest ovmf
• 728[05:59:17] <Butterz> ugh ok
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• 740[06:12:47] <Butterz> I'm not willing to reboot. But I'm pretty sure I turned off UEFI AND Secure Boot. I'm running Deb9 as well.
• 741[06:13:11] <Butterz> I'm still searching around.
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• 743[06:15:27] <Butterz> I have some firmware issues of my own I'm trying to work :)
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• 756[06:23:05] <Butterz> PGNd:: am i head-desking as hard as you are? I'm under the same understanding that updated firmware should provide you UEFI.
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• 759[06:23:53] <Butterz> (probably not)
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• 761[06:24:44] <Butterz> if you find anything, pls let me know
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• 822[07:06:49] <peterbecich> Hi there! I am attempting to dual boot Debian on a Macbook Pro Retina from 2014. I have installed rEFInd and attempted to configure it: replaced-url
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• 828[07:16:01] <iflema> chroot from OSX
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• 835[07:24:06] * iflema both a waste of time
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• 870[07:51:40] <peterbecich> The Debian volume group is encrypted, so idk how vmlinuz could be accessed in the root. Pardon my ignorance. Thanks
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• 876[07:52:29] <rue_mohr> nowhere else to ask this, I have a ttyS4 on port 0x270 how the hell do I get udev to acknowledge it?
• 877[07:52:50] <rue_mohr> its not in the pnp, its just there
• 878[07:53:03] <rue_mohr> its not pci, its just there
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• 884[07:54:50] <eugenmayer> its most probably by 20th stretch installation and suddently, bridges are not created upon boot when registrered in e/n/interfaces ( yes auto br0 is present ) .. i have to brctl add bro and then /e/init.d/networking restart and then the bridge is setup. Is this something 9.2 related?
• 885[07:55:08] <a0p> hi all, I would like to ask how to change system font. also, do you have any decent font to recommend? thanks :)
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• 887[07:56:49] <a0p> the default font doesnt look great I have to admit
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• 891[08:00:28] <rue_mohr> it looks like I have to tell the kernel that there is a serial port there
• 892[08:00:51] <rue_mohr> because it wasn't compiled as a module, there is no way to make the system identify another port
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