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7 [00:03:25] <beepboopbeep> not very active tremon
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17 [00:05:08] <annadane> beepboopbeep, you're aware . means hidden folder, right?
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19 [00:05:19] <heistheone> So my sources.list show 'testing' and yet I recently realized all my packages are from sid (gnome 2.26, kernel 4.13,etc...) Whats the dealio?
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21 [00:05:36] <annadane> heistheone, you should take this to #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
22 [00:06:05] <heistheone> annadane: roger that
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24 [00:06:09] <annadane> ah, i see you mention other .folders, sorry.
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31 [00:08:12] <beepboopbeep> i see all the .folders
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33 [00:08:28] <beepboopbeep> it doesn't exist in there annadane
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40 [00:10:09] <beepboopbeep> i wish i could hide all the joinings and partings
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42 [00:11:09] <annadane> you probably can, depending on your irc client
43 [00:11:27] <beepboopbeep> its web client i couldn't install x chat
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45 [00:11:56] <annadane> it'd be helpful if you were more specific
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49 [00:12:47] <beepboopbeep> i just want to focus on wine for now
50 [00:12:59] <beepboopbeep> its the highest priority
51 [00:13:15] <annadane> fair enough
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55 [00:15:11] <beepboopbeep> i watched a video on installation of wine, we he runs the winecfg alot of commands are runing, not in my case it only opens it(its fully fanction) but doesn't do anything else
56 [00:15:21] <beepboopbeep> like making the .wine folder
57 [00:15:27] <beepboopbeep> shrugs
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67 [00:20:22] <aLLamox> replaced-url
68 [00:21:02] <aLLamox> I have the same linux version as in the tutorial Just my release is Release: 8.6 in the tut it's 8.1
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70 [00:21:41] <aLLamox> I got this error replaced-url
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73 [00:23:04] <aLLamox> any comments?!
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76 [00:23:48] <imMute> aLLamox: "This service allows sftp connections only." seems like a big clue...
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83 [00:27:15] <aLLamox> imMute: No it's not this I think
84 [00:27:20] <aLLamox> . /bin/bash: Permission denied
85 [00:27:28] <aLLamox> Could not chdir to home directory /home/tom: No such file or directory
86 [00:27:32] <aLLamox> I got bored from this shit
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144 [00:58:02] <lopknod> hello
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146 [00:58:29] <lopknod> Loading new zfs-0.6.5.9 DKMS files...
147 [00:58:29] <lopknod> Building for 4.9.0-3-amd64
148 [00:59:03] <lopknod> the available headers are linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64
149 [00:59:19] <lopknod> how can i solve that?
150 [00:59:39] <lopknod> i want to install zfs-dkms
151 [01:00:04] <bazhang> ,v zfs-dkms
152 [01:00:06] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1
153 [01:01:08] <lopknod> mine is contrib
154 [01:01:21] <lopknod> stretch
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156 [01:02:36] <lopknod> bazhang is this your answer?
157 [01:02:49] <annadane> ,v linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64
158 [01:02:50] <judd> Package: linux-headers-4.9.0-4-amd64 on amd64 -- stretch: 4.9.51-1
159 [01:03:03] <annadane> lopknod, it's possible you haven't upgraded to 9.2
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161 [01:03:16] <lopknod> i did just install
162 [01:03:17] <bazhang> lopknod, why would you ever compile
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165 [01:04:01] <lopknod> ok i will upgrade
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177 [01:07:26] <lopknod> thx
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182 [01:10:04] <lopknod> i have the funny situation that i cant reach a network but being here
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192 [01:13:07] <lopknod> my other box have a configuration that suck me in
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215 [01:27:16] <random_numbers> So after modifying files under /usr/share/dbus-1/services, which daemon should I restart for notification to be taken into account?
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220 [01:29:24] <hwpplayer1> Hi Debian !
221 [01:29:41] <hwpplayer1> #debian-science is not registered why ?
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224 [01:30:02] <hwpplayer1> Any science team member here ?
225 [01:30:55] <random_numbers> I'm afraid the channel's fairly quiet currently.
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243 [01:38:05] <lopknod> Building for 4.9.0-3-amd64
244 [01:38:05] <lopknod> Module build for kernel 4.9.0-3-amd64 was skipped since the
245 [01:38:05] <lopknod> kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed.
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247 [01:38:13] <lopknod> still same problem
248 [01:38:28] <lopknod> with zfs-dkms
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253 [01:40:09] <ransur0t> I'm having an issue with the recent 9.2 point release update: evolution-common fails to install. Please see paste: replaced-url
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255 [01:41:24] <hwpplayer1> random_numbers : may i lead it ?
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257 [01:42:12] <dtux> does LVM get set up on top of encrypted partitions or the other way around?
258 [01:42:44] <bazhang> dtux did you mean luks on lvm?
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260 [01:43:19] <random_numbers> hwpplayer1: I don't really have any form of authority to object or approve.
261 [01:43:19] <qman__> dtux: either-or, depends on what you want
262 [01:43:44] <dtux> bazhang: i guess? not entirely sure, im in the debian installer atm.
263 [01:43:45] <hwpplayer1> random_numbers : i'll be there as a member
264 [01:43:54] <dtux> qman__: both! haha
265 [01:43:59] <dtux> what's the diff?
266 [01:44:05] <lopknod> Building for 4.9.0-3-amd64
267 [01:44:17] <lopknod> the backports zfs-dkms wants this kernel too
268 [01:44:39] <qman__> dtux: if you do lvm on top of dm-crypt, then you have one encrypted volume, with any number of LVM volumes inside of it - only one set of encrypt/decrypt, and only one passphrase/key
269 [01:44:46] <random_numbers> Did ZFS fix that thing where any increase in drive numbers means you have to double the pool?
270 [01:45:13] <qman__> dtux: if you do dm-crypt on top of LVM, you have one encrypted volume per LVM volume, different keys/passphrases, different encryption processes, and you can encrypt some volumes and not others if you want
271 [01:46:18] <dtux> ah, interesting
272 [01:46:19] <NEOalquimista> IIRC, the latter (dm-crypt on top of LVM) is best if you want to easily resize the LVM partitions later.
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280 [01:47:47] <NEOalquimista> No, I think I'm wrong.
281 [01:48:04] <dtux> is lvm actually required here?
282 [01:48:06] <NEOalquimista> It's about having multiple disks.
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284 [01:48:48] <dtux> I'm thinking RAID1 + LVM on top of dm-crypt (or no LVM at all)
285 [01:48:52] <qman__> dtux: no, you don't have to use LVM if you don't want to, you can create a dm-crypt volume and put a filesystem on it
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289 [01:49:17] <qman__> you do lose the features of LVM by doing that, of course
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292 [01:49:50] <dtux> well, i dont really anticipate needing to resize (esp without replacing the drives)
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294 [01:50:02] <dtux> is it kindof a no-brainer that everyone usually installs LVM?
295 [01:50:17] <qman__> I wouldn't say that, but there's not much downside, a few megs of space lost
296 [01:50:20] <bazhang> never done it
297 [01:50:34] <dtux> bazhang: me neither
298 [01:50:49] <dtux> i think i may opt into it for my workstation since its flash and im not going to RAID it
299 [01:50:50] <bazhang> nary a reason to
300 [01:51:07] <dtux> 2 flash disks i mean
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303 [01:52:17] <qman__> the main downside to LVM in my mind is the device mapper itself, but obviously dm-crypt uses it too, so you still have it regardless
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312 [02:00:27] <dtux> without LVM, will i have 2 passwords? one for my main system and one for the swap raid volume? does LVM even affect that?
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316 [02:01:08] <random_numbers> I don't think LVM does any password management.
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322 [02:02:29] <dtux> random_numbers: well, i was thinking if i had lvm inside 1 raid volume, then i could run the system on a logical partition and the swap on another, then only need 1 password
323 [02:03:10] <NEOalquimista> for the swap, you could set it up to be encrypted with a random password at startup and then discarded. Swap isn't meant to survive a reboot, anyway.
324 [02:03:34] <random_numbers> The downside is no hibernation. But that's broken on so many systems it's probably disregardable.
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327 [02:04:51] <NEOalquimista> replaced-url
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330 [02:07:02] <dtux> interesting.. looks like that one encourages lvm so i can use the logical volume name
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333 [02:10:12] <dtux> NEOalquimista: when would i configure that? after my first boot?
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343 [02:18:47] <aLLamox> imMute: replaced-url
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345 [02:19:14] <aLLamox> I # it and un# it again still I have bin/bash permission denied
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351 [02:22:05] <lopknod> i did have 2 kernels and have to remove one but i did install a newer one why is that,that the old was not gone without pain
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356 [02:25:56] <andreas--> hello.. I'm trying to change Local time on debian 9 to UTC but I failed. dpkg-reconfigure tzdata ufortunately doesnt work for me. any idea?
357 [02:29:22] <Brigo> andreas-- what's the problem with dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?
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359 [02:30:11] <dtux> thoughts on this? "/boot can be encrypted also, but it is likely more trouble than it is worth"
360 [02:30:18] <andreas--> I choose "None of the above" -> "UTC" -> OK but the Local time doesnt change from EEST.
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370 [02:40:33] <buu> Ok, I can't umount a mountpoint because it's busy but neither lsof nor fuser show any processes accessing it
371 [02:40:38] <buu> Where else can I look
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378 [02:42:34] <random_numbers> andreas--: In your current terminal it shouldn't change until you reopen it. Assuming timezone isn't set in your session, profile or shell config.
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381 [02:44:09] <andreas--> random_numbers, I reboot the box and EEST is still there.
382 [02:44:20] <random_numbers> Then it's probably another config.
383 [02:44:42] <NEOalquimista> dtux: IIRC, encrypting /boot will prevent tampering with the bootloader, but requires physical access to your computer. Much like Secure Boot. It's additional security, but complicates things a little more. With your root partition encrypted, your data is still secure in the same way as it would with or without encrypted /boot
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385 [02:45:20] <random_numbers> Encrypting boot is useless because the bootloader can still be tampered with.
386 [02:45:46] <random_numbers> And with Secure Boot the bootloader can be secured and the kernel verified.
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388 [02:46:02] <random_numbers> So you get essentially nothing except a slight performance hit.
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391 [02:46:26] <NEOalquimista> I think only openSUSE encrypts /boot by default. All distros I tried didn't do it.
392 [02:46:57] <dtux> interesting, thanks
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397 [02:48:09] <random_numbers> A cheaper but easier option can be running a HIDS that does auditing for the computers in a network.
398 [02:48:21] <random_numbers> (Assuming you'd need to buy new computers for Secure Boot)
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401 [02:49:25] <Tramp> andreas--: does your /etc/localtime point to /usr/share/zoneinfo/Etc/UTC ?
402 [02:49:36] <NEOalquimista> dtux: about the swap encryption, you first create a normal unencrypted swap partition, and after your system is ready, you edit /etc/crypttab using /dev/urandom as <password>
403 [02:49:55] <NEOalquimista> but check that link I sent you
404 [02:50:07] <andreas--> Tramp, yes
405 [02:50:22] <Tramp> andreas--: and "date" reports the wrong time?
406 [02:50:30] <NEOalquimista> sorry, correction: the swap needs to be plain dm-crypt
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408 [02:50:41] <NEOalquimista> outside LVM
409 [02:50:47] <andreas--> yes
410 [02:51:05] <andreas--> reports EEST date
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413 [02:51:57] <Tramp> andreas--: do youset an environment variable TZ manually somehwere?
414 [02:52:05] <andreas--> nop, never
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416 [02:53:58] <Tramp> you verified that with "echo $TZ" or "env | grep TZ", yes?
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418 [02:54:56] <random_numbers> Some display managers might try to do some magic which may disturb those settings.
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519 [03:58:49] <gglasses> hey all. i'm back now with debian 9 yay
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521 [03:59:18] <gglasses> should i apt-get update & apt-get upgrade to update all my software?
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524 [04:00:18] <Vasistha> gglasses: generally a good idea, although if you just did an install you're probably up-to-date
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526 [04:01:05] <gglasses> Vasistha, it troubles me that it comes with Firefox 45 though
527 [04:01:26] <Vasistha> gglasses: there are other web browsers
528 [04:02:12] <Vasistha> gglasses: oh wait. I'm seeing ff 52
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530 [04:03:06] <dtux> NEOalquimista: is Random Key the same thing that you were describing? replaced-url
531 [04:03:19] <gglasses> What do you mean Vasistha ?
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536 [04:04:39] <dtux> NEOalquimista: indeed :) replaced-url
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538 [04:06:25] <NEOalquimista> dtux: yes, that's it!
539 [04:06:56] <NEOalquimista> dtux: About your partition layouts, you'll have to forgive me, I never used RAID and I don't know a thing about it :/
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558 [04:18:34] <Vasistha> gglasses: replaced-url
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562 [04:21:42] <gglasses> Thanks Vasistha
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566 [04:25:20] <dtux> NEOalquimista: it's pretty easy, you just set up parallel partitions on each drive and make a raid volume out of them which you can use as if it were a partition on a single disk.
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589 [04:37:45] <andrej> Looking at /var/log/apt/history.log ... when running an install via ansible I see both -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confdef -o Dpkg::Options::=--force-confold
590 [04:37:53] <andrej> which of these two options takes?
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592 [04:38:51] <andrej> My problem is that installing a random package seemingly replaced the machines exim4 config with the package-maintainers one ... not cool, especially if the package is unrelated to exim ;/
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603 [04:46:44] <dtux> s/parallel/identical (same-sized)/
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609 [04:49:36] <random_numbers> gglasses: Yeah, 45 got dropped, so even Jessie's got 52 now.
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651 [05:17:51] <gglasses> Google Chrome is not supported by Debian Stretch? I downloaded a .deb and it says file not supported
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654 [05:21:39] <prasket> @gglasses: ver 60 is supported in debian 6-9
655 [05:21:52] <jaxson> gglasses, do a google search on 'debian google chrome' and there are pages which will show you how to install..
656 [05:22:05] <themill> what does 'it says file not supported' mean?
657 [05:22:11] <jaxson> my preference would be to grab chromium or iron ..
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663 [05:26:04] <gglasses> Thanks found some documentation
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672 [05:31:59] <annadane> gglasses, .deb from where, i recommend not using software outside the repository
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674 [05:32:37] <annadane> bah, never mind, i'm tired of arguing this
675 [05:32:43] * annadane happily feigns ignorance
676 [05:33:19] <gglasses> annadane, i'd love to learn
677 [05:33:34] <gglasses> so bad you gave up now. *cof cof
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679 [05:34:49] <annadane> well, like, you can use chrome without using a .deb... if it's not in the official debian repository it can potentially break your system to install random .deb's, as well as there being trust issues
680 [05:35:14] <annadane> i'll sidestep the whole "chrome has trust issues anyway, you should use things that don't harvest your data" debate
681 [05:36:57] <binsey> I also worry that Google offers CAPTCHA solutions to popular websites such as the New York Times and then preferentially blocks competing browsers, in an attempt to nudge people to use Chrome.
682 [05:37:00] <annadane> there's always chromium, which is what chrome is build off of
683 [05:37:22] <gglasses> thanks for that annadane !!
684 [05:37:24] <annadane> that being said, i'll still recommend firefox forever over chrome, especially nightly which is 57 which is very fast
685 [05:37:29] <random_numbers> It strongly annoys me to have javascript-based captchas around.
686 [05:37:43] <annadane> sorry for the lecture but doing stuff like that isn't really "the debian way" and it's better to learn to do it properly
687 [05:37:46] <random_numbers> annadane: I hear 63 is twice as fast as Chrome?
688 [05:37:59] <Voldenet> having a captcha that detects your mouse movements to tell if you're human is awesome and not spooky at all
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690 [05:38:18] <random_numbers> Voldenet: It's a huge annoyance because I use Javascript on a white-listing basis.
691 [05:38:23] <gglasses> annadane, i thank you a lot for lecturing, i'd rather have a lecture than to do stupid things but i totally get you're tired of lecturing over and over again
692 [05:38:30] <Voldenet> random_numbers: me too, I know what you mean
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694 [05:38:50] <binsey> random_numbers: agreed. But did you know that in some instances the CAPTCHAs don't even load when you bring the wrong browser, effectively blocking you from using the site at all?
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697 [05:39:23] <gglasses> annadane, i love firefox too, it's my favorite browser since i started using the web... i just couldn't get debian to update it. it's still 45 for me :(
698 [05:39:29] <binsey> random_numbers: as well you should.
699 [05:39:31] <random_numbers> binsey: I did not but I can believe it.
700 [05:40:00] <Voldenet> not using such sites solves the problem
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702 [05:40:11] <random_numbers> OS-33052: You might enjoy clients with autojoin configs like weechat or irssi.
703 [05:40:43] <themill> gglasses: maybe we should address the firefox issue then...
704 [05:40:45] <annadane> ,v firefox-esr
705 [05:40:47] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; jessie-proposed-updates: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 52.4.0esr-1~deb9u1; wheezy-security: 52.4.0esr-2~deb7u1; buster: 52.4.0esr-2; sid: 52.4.0esr-2
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707 [05:40:52] <binsey> Voldenet: not really; people don't have as much choice as you think. When popular sites like NYT do it, which they are now, then it is pernicious.
708 [05:40:55] <annadane> oh, you mean technical error
709 [05:41:19] <annadane> right, well, you don't have to use esr, you can also download any version of firefox and then use the profile manager to keep the two versions seperate, or just purge esr entirely
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711 [05:41:26] <random_numbers> Voldenet: binsey: The only solution is FOSS userscrips that fix those sites.
712 [05:41:28] <annadane> but as mill said, maybe address that issue
713 [05:41:33] <gglasses> yes
714 [05:41:40] <gglasses> i'd love that
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716 [05:42:32] <gglasses> what's the easiest way to get an updated version of ff? i don't mind keeping 45 around
717 [05:42:32] <annadane> i downloaded the newest stable which is 56, put it on the desktop inside its own seperate folder so that it's not in home and then when i start one or the other version of firefox i set the profile manager to use either one or the other profile
718 [05:42:44] <annadane> using firefox -p from the command line and unchecking "always use..."
719 [05:42:50] <binsey> random_numbers: sure. Such scripts work today, but imagine if in the future the scripts use HTTP DRM and challenge-response on built-in license keys?
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721 [05:43:10] <annadane> gglasses, well, use the firefox website to download the tar and extract it somewhere
722 [05:43:24] <gglasses> annadane, doing that rn
723 [05:43:29] <annadane> gglasses, "latest" firefox is any number of things, there's beta, developer and nightly editions as well as the "mainstream version"
724 [05:43:33] <annadane> which is 56 something
725 [05:43:41] <random_numbers> binsey: That is a terrible image.
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729 [05:43:53] <Voldenet> binsey: what an utterly dystopian future, but I can believe it could happen at some point
730 [05:43:57] <gglasses> nightly is the one you recommend annadane ?
731 [05:44:06] <Voldenet> that's what people will get for using browser and captchas system from ads provider...
732 [05:44:14] <annadane> i don't really "recommend" any, it depends on the features you want
733 [05:44:20] <annadane> the firefox website can explain much better than i can
734 [05:44:21] <random_numbers> I persist in believing those validation schemes could be Reverse Engineered all the same, but it's a terrible thing that it could happen at all.
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736 [05:44:34] <themill> gglasses: sticking to the Debian package has merits.
737 [05:44:38] <annadane> but nightly is 57 which really does have massive speed improvements over anything else
738 [05:44:38] <random_numbers> As in, that Reverse Engineering becomes necessary.
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741 [05:45:11] <gglasses> thanks themill
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743 [05:45:27] <gglasses> thanks too annadane :)
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745 [05:45:57] <annadane> as a side note, you can use whatever versions of programs you want if they're standalone, like firefox has a tar so you're running a standalone executable as opposed to a .deb which physically installs
746 [05:46:04] <annadane> random .deb's cause problems
747 [05:46:11] <annadane> despite the fact that people like to do it anyway
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749 [05:46:41] <gglasses> it certainly doesn't seem that way but i love to keep my system as clean as possible
750 [05:47:37] <annadane> but yes i and many others would object to chrome and even chromium on purely ideological grounds but that's your choice
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752 [05:48:46] <annadane> the complaint has usually been "but chrome is faster than firefox" which, 57 kind of defeats that argument
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754 [05:49:04] <annadane> though keep in mind 57 is technically sort of beta
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756 [05:49:34] <annadane> although i will also say in passing, if you can't update firefox-esr you might have deeper issues on your system and it's good to resolve that
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758 [05:49:55] <gglasses> annadane, i just installed my system today, haven't done much with it
759 [05:50:00] <OS-32963> /join #offsec
760 [05:50:02] <annadane> oh
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763 [05:50:32] <annadane> might be a 9.2 thing though that released yesterday so the mirrors should have all been up to date but perhaps noy
764 [05:50:34] <annadane> not
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767 [05:50:42] <random_numbers> My mirrors aren't.
768 [05:50:50] <gglasses> and btw, i love what you said, i try to choose security and privacy over comfort whenever possible
769 [05:50:52] <annadane> can try deb.debian.org
770 [05:50:59] <random_numbers> And I'm vaguely annoyed I chose yesterday to upgrade one of my machines... right before 9.2 release.
771 [05:51:00] <annadane> which is a redirect
772 [05:51:05] <gglasses> mm i actually installed 9.1.0
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774 [05:51:45] <gglasses> i downloaded the image a few days ago and installed till today... i'm lazy like that, on a Sunday night... hours before work lol
775 [05:51:50] <random_numbers> Hmm... by the time I installed the site probably had updated. I downloaded the image ahead of time.
776 [05:53:16] <gglasses> annnd now i have ff 56. thanks for the lecture annadane, it totally paid off
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778 [05:53:29] <annadane> i imagine most mirrors should be updated by now anyway if you wanted to try an update
779 [05:53:52] <annadane> gglasses, just mind to keep your configuration folders and profile managers etc seperate from each other, it's why i put it in a folder on the desktop
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784 [05:54:25] <gglasses> mmm ok, will do
785 [05:54:38] <annadane> and also because ff 56 is standalone it won't be updated through apt, but you can set it to automatic updates or manual, if you choose manual going to "help - about" will check for updates
786 [05:55:55] <annadane> also replaced-url
787 [05:56:40] <annadane> actually probably deb.debian.org is bad because it might choose a non updated mirror
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789 [05:57:48] <gglasses> how can you differentiate non-updated mirror?
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791 [05:58:18] <annadane> well, you'll run into update issues
792 [05:58:35] <annadane> you can't really check ahead of time afaik
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794 [05:59:03] <gglasses> :)
795 [05:59:36] <annadane> i imagine the primary mirrors will be updated faster than the secondary ones but that's just a guess
796 [05:59:49] <annadane> though they might be swamped from all the people updating to 9.2 i guess
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800 [06:00:09] <gglasses> i can imagine
801 [06:00:16] <gglasses> i believe i'll just wait a few days
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803 [06:00:45] <annadane> up to you... some of those updates are security updates so don't put it off too much
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805 [06:02:04] <ransur0t> jelly: I fixed the evolution-common update issue by using dpkg -i --force-all command. Then reinstalled linux-image-amd64 and the latest kernel using apt full-upgrade. All is well again. :)
806 [06:04:10] <gglasses> annadane, to update to 9.2 i just need to `apt-get update & apt-get upgrade`?
807 [06:04:38] <annadane> mhm
808 [06:05:25] <annadane> gglasses, possibly dist-upgrade too if there's packages not upgraded (i think there's an updated kernel...?) but pay attention to what apt tells you
809 [06:05:30] <annadane> ie don't accidentally remove 50 packages
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811 [06:05:43] <annadane> it's a point release but i doubt it but i don't know the details
812 [06:05:46] <gglasses> * panicks
813 [06:05:51] <annadane> *so i doubt it
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821 [06:07:42] <gglasses> thanks a lot for all the help today annadane
822 [06:07:48] <annadane> :)
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1050 [09:12:57] <zorlan> does debian accept cryptocurrencies as donations?
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1052 [09:14:20] <Benefit> replaced-url
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1065 [09:20:40] <zorlan> ubuntu is losing market share to debian ;)
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1067 [09:21:02] <zorlan> it used to be the most popular channel
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1070 [09:21:54] <jasabella> <3 debian
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1083 [09:30:08] <annadane> zorlan, i mean you could poke around replaced-url
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1094 [09:39:02] <jelly> zorlan: #archlinux is larger than both
1095 [09:39:44] <zorlan> archlinux is a bunch of trolls
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1097 [09:40:01] <realbadhorse> can someone help me install .otf fonts?
1098 [09:40:25] <realbadhorse> i dumped them in ~/.fonts and ran fc-cache -f
1099 [09:40:35] <realbadhorse> still cant see them in terminator menu..
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1107 [09:44:47] <coldford> wow long time since I logged in here
1108 [09:44:56] <coldford> good to see still going
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1111 [09:46:13] <eoli4n> realbadhorse: do you see the font with fc-list
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1117 [09:49:00] <realbadhorse> i do eoli4n
1118 [09:49:04] <realbadhorse> /home/anon/.fonts/Monego.otf: Monego:style=Regular
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1124 [09:51:47] <dexta> morning
1125 [09:51:50] <Benefit> ^_^ morning
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1140 [09:56:11] <lefreut> hey guys
1141 [09:56:55] <lefreut> i have a library that stopped working as soon as i mounted some FS with noatime, it isn't working after remounting it with relatime. Any way to force atime sync once?
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1169 [10:09:59] <jelly> lefreut: mount with actual atime?
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1172 [10:10:33] <lefreut> jelly: yeah that's what i finally did (strictatime). thanks
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1178 [10:15:26] <abulletforzombie> I broke my python installation and I can no longer run python applications
1179 [10:15:35] <abulletforzombie> has anyone ever encountered this?
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1185 [10:18:46] <apollo13> yes :D
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1188 [10:19:21] <abulletforzombie> apollo13 it happened after I tried to install something using a root user because installing from the git repo as user didn't work. I eschewed using a virtual env
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1192 [10:19:57] <apollo13> *sigh* root is not the answer just because something doesn't work
1193 [10:20:05] <apollo13> revert what you did there and everything will work again
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1195 [10:20:11] <abulletforzombie> The error it was giving me implied that it was
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1197 [10:20:24] <abulletforzombie> how do you uninstall something via python?
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1199 [10:20:30] <apollo13> right you got permission denied errors and thought root would help :þ
1200 [10:20:31] <apollo13> you don't
1201 [10:20:41] <apollo13> there is no support for it, you manually have to clean it up
1202 [10:20:54] <apollo13> well pip uninstall might work
1203 [10:21:05] <abulletforzombie> nah it wasn't through pip
1204 [10:21:06] <apollo13> but if python and therefor pip doesn't work you have to do it manually
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1207 [10:21:34] <apollo13> đ
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1211 [10:21:59] <abulletforzombie> indeed, do you know of a good link to explain where a `python setup.py install` leaves everything?
1212 [10:22:29] <apollo13> assuming it didn't do anything crazy, /usr/local/lib/pythonXX/dist-packages or site-packages
1213 [10:22:42] <apollo13> given that debian patches stuff to no end probably dist-packages
1214 [10:23:00] <apollo13> well technically speaking somewhere inside /usr/local, bin in there will have console scripts and whatnot…
1215 [10:23:26] <ghormoon> hi, do I need to install some specific package so update-alternatives --config x-replaced-url
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1217 [10:23:43] <abulletforzombie> okay cool, my alternative is upgrading the hard drive (hdsentinel claims the drive is going to shit itself anyway so i am not worried about a fresh install)
1218 [10:23:49] * abulletforzombie pulls up his rubbers
1219 [10:23:59] <abulletforzombie> time to go wading into userspace
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1222 [10:25:02] <apollo13> at least next time you will think before using root ;)
1223 [10:26:02] <abulletforzombie> tbh I am not root crazy :P I usually know what I am doing, just when pip failed to install with some permission denied garbage, I read about virtualenv and how there was no good reason for it not to work through pip
1224 [10:26:16] <abulletforzombie> python on the other hand is a ball game I haven't played
1225 [10:26:31] <apollo13> pip install --user should have been your next try
1226 [10:26:42] <apollo13> that would have installed into your homedir under .local
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1228 [10:26:59] <apollo13> kinda easier to clean, if you want isolation venvs are the way to go
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1230 [10:27:41] <ghormoon> hm, it seems it doesn't accept paths that are not from packages. shoul I just link it manually without update-alternatives?
1231 [10:27:49] <abulletforzombie> yeah now that I know about --user I am going to be much safer
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1233 [10:28:43] <abulletforzombie> the .egg in question, the one created from my installation attempt, is now gone
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1236 [10:29:07] <apollo13> there will also be egg_info and you will have to clear references from .pth files
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1238 [10:29:20] <apollo13> curious, which software was that?
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1241 [10:29:44] <abulletforzombie> hangups, a CLI google hangouts command that was backwards engineered
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1243 [10:30:12] <abulletforzombie> the shitty thing is I wasn't even sure if I was going ot use it, hadn't even fully vetted the code
1244 [10:30:34] <bazhang> keep it curse free here abulletforzombie
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1246 [10:30:39] <dokma> I've downloaded sources for python3.5 in order to use it with python3.5-dbg but the sources don't match.
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1250 [10:30:47] <abulletforzombie> bazhang roger
1251 [10:30:52] <dokma> How do I get the sources that correspond to the *-dbg package?
1252 [10:31:12] <apollo13> apt-get source python3.5
1253 [10:31:36] <dokma> that's what I did
1254 [10:31:40] <dokma> it doesn't match
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1257 [10:32:04] <abulletforzombie> apollo13 had no apparent encryption of your google password, but I could be wrong
1258 [10:32:27] <abulletforzombie> I was just tired of pulling out my phone just to check one chat
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1261 [10:34:18] <dryden_x> I asked on the forums but does anyone know of a ftp client that can be scripted and that will never seek in a source file?
1262 [10:35:14] <apollo13> dokma: what are you actually trying to do? that source certainly matches the package, since that is what it is compiled from
1263 [10:35:24] <apollo13> well the patches need to applied first, but…
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1265 [10:35:39] <dokma> I'm debugging a sigsegv from python embedding in C++
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1267 [10:35:53] <apollo13> dokma: interesting, what are you using?
1268 [10:35:55] <apollo13> pybind11?
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1270 [10:36:26] <dokma> It crashes on PyObject_CallFunction
1271 [10:36:32] <dokma> I'm trying to use pyeda from C++
1272 [10:36:41] <dokma> to minimize some gigantic boolean expressions
1273 [10:37:28] <apollo13> dokma: yeah, but pyeda is python, what are you using for embedding? the raw c-api?
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1275 [10:37:50] <dokma> Yes
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1278 [10:38:48] <apollo13> dokma: okay, if you do not have that much already, you might wanna try pybind11 -- takes the pain away :D
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1281 [10:39:45] <abulletforzombie> apollo13 where do I find these references to .pth files
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1283 [10:40:15] <apollo13> abulletforzombie: see if you find files ending with .pth in /usr/local and then check if they contain the name of the app you installed
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1286 [10:40:58] <abulletforzombie> none
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1288 [10:41:16] <apollo13> ok, then you are good
1289 [10:41:23] <dokma> apollo13: seems like I managed to weed that bug out...
1290 [10:41:36] <abulletforzombie> does the mahcine require a restart or can I just log out of x and back in?
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1293 [10:41:37] <apollo13> dokma: refcounting error?
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1296 [10:41:43] <smlx> dryden_x: duplicity uses lftp
1297 [10:41:52] <apollo13> abulletforzombie: not even that
1298 [10:41:53] <dokma> variable naming error
1299 [10:41:55] <apollo13> python should work again
1300 [10:41:56] <dryden_x> I use lftp but it tries to seek.
1301 [10:42:25] <abulletforzombie> PermissionError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/protobuf-3.1.0.post1-py3.5.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt'
1302 [10:43:15] <apollo13> abulletforzombie: when doing what?
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1304 [10:43:41] <apollo13> and yeah protobuf was probably one of the dependencies, you might wanna clear that too
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1306 [10:43:51] <abulletforzombie> running a program I use often, from bash
1307 [10:44:03] <apollo13> full traceback please
1308 [10:44:30] <abulletforzombie> replaced-url
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1313 [10:45:17] <dryden_x> smlx: Duplicity is not a bad idea, I am trying to do mostly the same but without having to store local files first.
1314 [10:45:28] <apollo13> abulletforzombie: ls -lisa /usr/local/lib/python3.5/dist-packages/protobuf-3.1.0.post1-py3.5.egg/EGG-INFO/namespace_packages.txt
1315 [10:45:34] <dryden_x> smlx: But since it produces the archives first before uploading them (right) it won't run into seek behaviour.
1316 [10:45:38] <apollo13> or rather namei on that path
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1318 [10:45:45] <apollo13> looks like a weird umask + odd perms
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1321 [10:45:56] <dryden_x> smlx: The problem I have is that I'm trying to upload from a pipe.
1322 [10:45:57] <apollo13> as a quickfix you can always make that file readable for all users
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1324 [10:46:29] <xayto> ./1
1325 [10:46:37] <abulletforzombie> sounds gross, an you explain the umask and odd perms?
1326 [10:47:17] <dryden_x> smlx: And 99% of the time lftp doesn't seek and I asked on their mailing list but haven't had response yet.
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1330 [10:48:18] <apollo13> abulletforzombie: I do not know, show me the perms there first please
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1332 [10:48:38] <apollo13> I mean in the end protobuf came in as dependency of that other app, so you probably should uninstall it too
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1334 [10:49:50] <abulletforzombie> I think you're right I just tested terminator and it started
1335 [10:50:11] <apollo13> well terminator doesn't use pkg_resources apparently and that fixes that…
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1351 [10:58:00] <abulletforzombie> apollo13 all is well thanks for the tips! seems like all of my python dependent applications are working
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1409 [11:22:54] <ghormoon> hi, any idea what's wrong with desktopfile like this replaced-url
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1421 [11:28:25] <Iridos> what's gio?
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1424 [11:28:58] <Iridos> if you have a working one that it recognizes… try to change things bit by bit until one file matches the other
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1427 [11:29:23] <Iridos> mind that it could be something invisible like different type of linebreaks or tab instead of spaces
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1430 [11:30:11] <BCMM> Iridos: had to google it, apparently replacement for gvfs
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1432 [11:30:23] <ghormoon> I don't have any that is from a browser, but yeah, might need to check whitespace
1433 [11:30:39] <BCMM> sorry, the thing the new gvfs is based on
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1435 [11:31:09] <ghormoon> should I use gvfs instead?
1436 [11:31:10] <BCMM> today i learned GnomeVFS and GVfs are not the same thing...
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1438 [11:31:57] <ghormoon> I just wanna force hexchat use browser as it ignores x-replaced-url
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1447 [11:34:36] <BCMM> ghormoon: is the "[Desktop Entry]" header required by any chance?
1448 [11:34:50] <BCMM> only mentioning it since the .desktop i got with Firefox has it
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1459 [11:38:47] <BCMM> ghormoon: i checked the spec, and the [Desktop Entry] groupname is compulsory. add that, and see if it fixes it
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1465 [11:40:27] <BCMM> .desktop is basically like a .ini file, and all keys are meant to be inside a section
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1521 [12:15:35] <blip-> hi all, just ssh'ed into the one of the debian servers that an ex-employee used to manage. Despite the home directory having drwxr-xr-x permissions, I get an error 'Read-only file system' when trying to touch a file. is this some security layer? sudo etc doesnt help
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1525 [12:17:26] <FinalX> blip-: "read-only file system" is exactly what it tells you, the file-system is mounted read-only. check with "mount" and try find out why it's mounted read-only, then remount it with write permissions.
1526 [12:18:01] <blip-> FinalX, but I'm able to write to /home, just not /home/user
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1530 [12:18:41] <FinalX> doesn't mean it's not a seperate mount-point, could be per-user homedir encryption with ecrypt
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1535 [12:20:44] <blip-> FinalX, ah, i see. didn't know about such features. if you don't mind i'll paste the relevant mount output: /dev/vdb on /home/user type ext4 (ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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1537 [12:21:31] <FinalX> there you go, mount specifically for the user and 'ro'
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1542 [12:22:16] <FinalX> maybe it's designed that way for security/system-integrity, you should check with whoever set it up, or tread carefully if that's not possible
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1544 [12:22:29] <blip-> and this is for security? as in the mount settings or the file system has corruption and went into RO state?
1545 [12:22:38] <blip-> ok
1546 [12:22:46] <FinalX> but /dev/vdb is an entire harddisk on a home user, might be a bind mount
1547 [12:22:49] <blip-> i think i will reboot
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1550 [12:22:52] <FinalX> and either is possible..
1551 [12:22:59] <FinalX> check /etc/fstab perhaps
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1553 [12:23:39] <blip-> FinalX, aha. fstab shows /data/user mounted to /home/user, with rw
1554 [12:24:07] <blip-> so I guess that indicates system went into RO state. which is not something ive ever heard of
1555 [12:24:12] <FinalX> and perhaps errors=ro ?
1556 [12:24:34] <blip-> nope: /data/user /home/user auto,rw bind 0 0
1557 [12:24:35] <FinalX> if so, find out what kind of errors it has before remounting it rw, because you might corrupt it further if something has happened (fsck it?)
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1559 [12:24:47] <FinalX> ok, but that's a bind mount
1560 [12:24:56] <FinalX> the real mount is probably mounted on /data
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1562 [12:25:19] <blip-> FinalX, so i fsck the RO mount, or reboot first ?
1563 [12:25:20] <abulletforfree> hello helpful people, I just installed the nvidia drivers from the repos and now xorg can not recognize any screens. I used nvidia-xconfigure and I still get the same error message.
1564 [12:25:49] <towo^work> abulletforfree, ynd your hardware is? ...... a notebook?
1565 [12:25:52] <FinalX> blip-: a bind mount is not a real device, but a directory re-mounted as another directory, in this case /data/user as /home/user; try finding out what's going on with /data. that's probably where the real problem is.
1566 [12:26:25] <abulletforfree> towo^work: it's a toshiba laptop.
1567 [12:26:41] <FinalX> blip-: i'm pretty sure /data is a real device in /etc/fstab (/dev/vdb probably, judging by your previous pastes), and that probably is mounted RO due to problems
1568 [12:26:57] <towo^work> abulletforfree, then remove, what you have installed and read the debian wiki about optimus ==> bumblebee
1569 [12:27:17] <towo^work> abulletforfree, s/remove/purge
1570 [12:27:20] <abulletforfree> researching
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1574 [12:29:35] <ghormoon> BCMM: thanks, that was it
1575 [12:29:37] <abulletforfree> tomo^work my card is not listed in the optimus product list
1576 [12:29:57] <towo^work> i don't know your secret hardware
1577 [12:30:29] <towo^work> lspci | egrep -i "vga|3d|display"
1578 [12:30:59] <abulletforfree> It's a GT 520m
1579 [12:31:11] <abulletforfree> which is listed as supported
1580 [12:31:25] <towo^work> use that command!
1581 [12:31:37] <abulletforfree> I am looking at it
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1583 [12:32:12] <abulletforfree> GF119M [GeForce GT 520m]
1584 [12:32:22] <towo^work> i want the complete output
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1586 [12:32:49] <abulletforfree> how do I yank it from one tty and paste it into weechat?
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1588 [12:33:40] <towo^work> install gpm, start gpm, mark it with mouse, shift + middleclick in weechat
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1591 [12:34:27] <towo^work> but if you get more than 1 line, and you can't disable the igp in bios, it's optimus and you have to use bumblebee
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1594 [12:35:36] <abulletforfree> yes there is an integrated graphics card with the intel CPU, so I need to disable it in the BIOS, or use bumblebee, will confirm in a restart ty
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1600 [12:36:48] <abulletforfree> de) has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) â AfroThundr ++ â[03:36] [2] [irc/freenode] 2:#debian(+CLPcntzlf 1685 #debian-overflow){1665} [H: 1]
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1602 [12:36:49] <abulletforfree> â[abulletforfree(Zi)]
1603 [12:36:51] <abulletforfree> y
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1605 [12:37:02] <abulletforfree> woops, also cool thanks for the gpm tip
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1662 [12:55:54] <blip-> FinalX, sorry had a call come in. yes /data is the real device (from the provider that we rent this virtual server from). shall I reboot and see if it mounts RW? or i need to fsck first?
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1666 [12:57:09] <FinalX> blip-: I would fsck it first, /etc/fstab does not mention 'ro' at /data either? syslog might tell you what went from, or /var/log/messages, if they haven't scrolled off
1667 [12:57:14] <FinalX> either way an fsck wouldn't hurt
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1674 [13:00:15] <blip-> FinalX, there's this entry in mount: /dev/vdb on /data type ext4 (ro,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered)
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1676 [13:00:51] <blip-> FinalX, and in fstab there's UUID=bd01026b-94ce-40b7-8b54-97101fa9eef9 /data ext4 defaults 0 0
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1678 [13:02:45] <FinalX> blip-: then it should be mounted rw, and something is up, you should definitely check the filesystem
1679 [13:02:57] <blip-> FinalX, i found something in /var/log/messages, may i paste it?
1680 [13:03:10] <FinalX> preferably not directly in here if you can avoid it :)
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1682 [13:03:38] <FinalX> please use replaced-url
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1684 [13:04:09] <blip-> replaced-url
1685 [13:04:33] <blip-> yes not here, I'm not *that* clueless xD
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1687 [13:05:12] <FinalX> :) but yes, that clearly shows the filesystem has (33) errors, fsck /dev/vdb; or if you don't want to review/correct them all manually, fsck -y /dev/vdb
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1690 [13:07:24] <veek> how do you undervolt the cpu in debian? PHC pkg?
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1701 [13:09:39] <blip-> FinalX, thanks. i'll backup important files then run fsck -y. should i unmount anything prior?
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1703 [13:10:53] <FinalX> blip-: since it's mounted read-only, I don't think you have to. personally I'm not using ext4 anymore, so it's been a while (I moved everything to ZFS (and ReFS on Windows)).
1704 [13:10:54] <likcoras> Hi, I'm trying to set up a personal email server, for learning purposes. I'm currently just researching, and I came across terms like spf, dkim, dmarc. Is there anything else I should be aware of, and do I even need to bother with any of those when setting up an email server in debian?
1705 [13:11:08] <FinalX> veek: I found this, might still apply, but I really don't know; replaced-url
1706 [13:11:10] <blip-> FinalX, ok. thanks :)
1707 [13:11:27] <veek> FinalX, thanks checking
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1722 [13:21:15] <ntz> hello
1723 [13:21:43] <beepboopbeep> hello i install wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.)
1724 [13:21:49] <beepboopbeep> installed
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1726 [13:22:27] <ntz> I'm terribly annoyed ... I'm attempting to backup usb disk mounted via fuse (there's exfat) and there are bad blocks ... no problem with that, but my OS always freezes when it reaches such a block
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1728 [13:22:55] <ntz> do I miss something ? I've read mount manpage and fusermount but found nothing
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1730 [13:23:34] <ntz> it's so stupid that os freezes because of bad block on filesystem that is not rootfs
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1737 [13:26:56] <veek> FinalX, yep :) kind of convoluted still reading it
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1743 [13:32:27] <FinalX> ntz: fuse is quite unstable with disks that have problems; can't you mount it directly instead of through fuse?
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1745 [13:33:23] <GhostInTheShell> ntz: use ddrescue to make an image of the disk and then try to mount it and salvage the info
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1748 [13:34:54] <ntz> GhostInTheShell: good idea, thanks .... my probem is that I don't have such a big medium ... this is 3TB disk filled at 90% :(, I've sucessfully rsynced something like 92/100 of content already and it now always freezes the os in the last 8/100 because of one file I guess ...
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1752 [13:35:26] <ntz> another problem is, that it's virtually impossible to know what file because as far as it freezes instantly, no trace or log could be written
1753 [13:36:15] <ntz> eg you can capture log, but the file that does it is not going to be written there
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1766 [13:40:34] <pedrosans> hi, what is the right chanel for packaging related questions?
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1768 [13:40:59] <beepboopbeep> hello i installed wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.)
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1771 [13:41:22] <tomreyn> ntz: ddrescure -R will "reverse the direction of all passes", it also keeps log of files it accessed, so you can find out which ones you need to skip.
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1774 [13:41:28] <ntz> beepboopbeep: re-asking a broken question won't help you that somebody will address it
1775 [13:41:41] <beepboopbeep> how is it broken?
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1777 [13:42:48] <ntz> tomreyn: thanks for ddrescue hint ... anyhow, log won't work because log won't be written for file on where it stucks
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1779 [13:43:39] <tomreyn> ntz: it logs which file it'll read next before it does
1780 [13:43:46] <ntz> tomreyn: actually my plan B is to install VM and do the stuff from the (using usb-passthrough for source and target disks)
1781 [13:44:00] <ntz> **there
1782 [13:44:25] <ntz> tomreyn: oh, thanks, nice, didn't know this feature .... I was using rsync yet
1783 [13:45:11] <ntz> beepboopbeep: ``hello i installed wine and the .folder doesn't exist(other .folders are visible.)'' makes no sense
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1787 [13:45:35] <tomreyn> ntz: actually that was nonsense, it doesn't read file,s it reads blocks, but other than that this statement was correct.
1788 [13:45:48] <ntz> beepboopbeep: what you mean by ``.folder'' ??? do you mean ``$HOME/.wine'' ??? omg
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1790 [13:46:02] <ntz> if so, just run winecfg and exit it
1791 [13:46:15] <beepboopbeep> the folders in home/user who start with . in the name
1792 [13:46:23] <ntz> that will create something called $WINEPREFIX located usually in ~/.wine
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1794 [13:46:35] <beepboopbeep> winecfg doesn't create the folder for what ever reason
1795 [13:47:20] <ntz> no packages delivers .dot files to users' homes ... they are generated by particular app when it is run
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1805 [13:51:38] <beepboopbeep> ntz: replaced-url
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1809 [13:53:14] <dryden_x> I was asking here about an ftp client that could do scripted pipe uploads and I found ncftpput works after I disable the HELP SITE command because the ftp server doesn't understand it :p.
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1811 [13:53:50] <dryden_x> I had so much trouble getting something that worked with that server in the first place.
1812 [13:54:31] <dryden_x> In fact it probably works so well I won't have to use a named pipe anymore.
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1843 [14:13:41] <lefreut> hey guys
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1846 [14:14:16] <lefreut> i have an hsm, that is backed a device in /dev created with mknod
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1849 [14:14:55] <lefreut> the vendor doc state to do a chmod of it. but the acl don't survive a reboot
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1852 [14:15:54] <lefreut> tried to create an udev rule "KERNEL=="devicenamelikein/dev",NAME="devicenamelikein/dev", GROUP="groupthatshouldaccessthedevice", MODE="0660"
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1854 [14:16:21] <lefreut> but even with udevadm control -R and udevadm trigger nothing happen
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1858 [14:17:50] <lefreut> am i missing something?
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1863 [14:19:12] <MACscr> is postfix crashing on my jessie box? im seeing these entries every minute replaced-url
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1865 [14:20:18] <donut_> not crashing
1866 [14:20:28] <donut_> pid doesn't change
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1869 [14:21:42] <donut_> that script is postfix maintenance script
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1873 [14:24:16] <donut_> though not sure why it fires every minute, my configs are different.
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1875 [14:25:06] <Zardoz> man now I want a doughnut... wonder why...
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1886 [14:28:02] <ntz> tomreyn: I have workaround ..... lemme tell ya
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1888 [14:29:16] <MACscr> donut_ hmm, thanks. it is indeed odd.
1889 [14:29:34] <ntz> have already created a directory structure by rsync and copying files in loop one-by-one with ``rsync -av --progress --log-file=stdout $origin $dest 2>stderr; sync''
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1891 [14:30:07] <ntz> tomreyn: ^^ this will make sure, that my logs are synced so in case it freezes I'd be able to know on what file ....
1892 [14:30:27] <ntz> however heck, I had to do 2>>stderr, not just >
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1903 [14:36:43] <beepboopbeep> what the heck i just found it in root folder and not in home/user ntz
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1915 [14:38:31] <beepboopbeep> how can i view root folder
1916 [14:39:40] <Rumpled> go to / ?
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1929 [14:43:20] <Rumpled> beepboopbeep, what are you wanting to do exactly
1930 [14:43:32] <beepboopbeep> in folder manager rumpled
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1932 [14:43:52] <Rumpled> do you mean root's home?
1933 [14:44:06] <beepboopbeep> i just found out my .wine folder is in root instead of home/user/.wine
1934 [14:44:34] <Rumpled> because you installed it as root. you can use su - to view those things
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1936 [14:45:54] <beepboopbeep> can i install software as regular user?
1937 [14:46:35] <zorlan> if you are in sudoers
1938 [14:46:48] <Rumpled> run winecfg, it should create a new one in your own home
1939 [14:47:05] <Rumpled> (i think. i don't use it myself)
1940 [14:47:39] <Rumpled> and don't log in to root whenever you need to elevate yourself or this stuff will happen due to the nature of sudo/root
1941 [14:48:09] <zorlan> sudo -i
1942 [14:48:30] <beepboopbeep> holy shit thank you Rumpled
1943 [14:48:43] <beepboopbeep> also i don't have sudo installed
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1945 [14:49:17] <zorlan> sudo -i = su basiclly
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1948 [14:50:04] <Rumpled> i think they stopped it in jessie but i don't know why
1949 [14:50:05] <beepboopbeep> bash: sudo: command not found
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1951 [14:50:28] <ntz> zorlan: `sudo -i' == `su -', not plain su
1952 [14:50:38] <ntz> it's significant difference
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1955 [14:51:30] <zorlan> but with su you cant have multiple admin accounts
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1958 [14:51:47] <Rumpled> beepboopbeep, just run "su" and install it
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1963 [14:52:28] <zorlan> "apt-get install sudo"
1964 [14:52:28] <towo^work> noting in wine should be installed as root
1965 [14:52:51] <Rumpled> it's already installed for him
1966 [14:52:52] <towo^work> and wine itself should not be used as root
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1970 [14:53:32] <zorlan> you can run startx as root
1971 [14:54:02] <towo^work> this has what to do with wine?
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1974 [14:56:07] <zorlan> you need wine to run irc scripts
1975 [14:56:27] <beepboopbeep> Rumpled: doesn't it install stuff in root folder then?
1976 [14:56:47] <Rumpled> those annoying 1990s colour things in mirc? do people still use them?
1977 [14:56:55] <zorlan> mirc scripts are great there isnt anything like it for linux
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1979 [14:57:01] <Rumpled> it does if you're using root to install
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1981 [14:57:39] <beepboopbeep> can i leave su mode to regular mode without quiting terminal?
1982 [14:57:47] <zorlan> you got love irc clients like its 1980
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1984 [14:57:54] <Rumpled> "quit" and you'll return to your normal user prompt
1985 [14:57:57] <abff> beepboopbeep exit
1986 [14:58:18] <beepboopbeep> thank you
1987 [14:58:23] <beepboopbeep> fuck i love this community
1988 [14:58:29] <beepboopbeep> i love linux so much so far
1989 [14:58:35] <beepboopbeep> alot of work but so worth it
1990 [14:58:43] <zorlan> you sound like donald
1991 [14:58:48] <beepboopbeep> seriously, thank you guys
1992 [14:58:56] <donut_> beepboopbeep: best way to learn it is to install it for a non-user friend
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1994 [14:59:15] <abff> I have been running the same install for nearly a year now and I know how you feel. Once everything is exactly the way you want it, it can be so comfortable
1995 [14:59:16] <donut_> who usually breaks it in the most imaginative ways possible
1996 [14:59:29] <donut_> =)
1997 [14:59:39] <beepboopbeep> i bought thinkpad only to start using\learning linux
1998 [14:59:57] <abff> offtopic but what kind of thinkpad?
1999 [14:59:58] <BCMM> lol, there's a million IRC clients with scripting support
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2001 [15:00:03] <zorlan> i bought an android tablet
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2003 [15:00:15] <beepboopbeep> so when the day comes and microsoft stops supporting win7 i would be ready to switch
2004 [15:00:16] <ntz> beepboopbeep: omg, please, please, show some portion of meekness ... you can't love linux because you obviously know only a very little about that and from my perspective, I'd not be that happy that guys here are helping you to ruin your data/system/whatever
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2006 [15:00:24] <beepboopbeep> abff: t470
2007 [15:00:32] <abff> beepboopbeep beefy
2008 [15:00:38] <donut_> Rumpled: colors? of course they still work
2009 [15:00:44] <beepboopbeep> yea i love it
2010 [15:00:55] <zorlan> you can run KDE under windows10
2011 [15:01:05] <donut_> irssi has native support
2012 [15:01:08] <beepboopbeep> i will never install win10
2013 [15:01:10] <Rumpled> donut_, i mean the swirling fonts and big words that change the colour each letter
2014 [15:01:19] <donut_> oh, scripts
2015 [15:01:34] <donut_> that's what bitch-x is for if someone still wants them
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2017 [15:02:00] <BCMM> beepboopbeep: when you run su, what it does is start a new shell as root, not elevate your existing shell somehow. you can run a shell from your shell, just like you'd run any other command-line program, so when you exit that root shell, you're old shell is still there
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2019 [15:02:17] <Rumpled> i'm just happy with the minimalist quassel
2020 [15:02:37] <BCMM> beepboopbeep: sorry for over-explaining but i feel like understanding what's actually happening helps, or you end up opening a bunch of nested shells without realising it like i did at first :)
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2022 [15:03:13] <BCMM> s/you're/your/
2023 [15:03:30] <beepboopbeep> i see it explains why me .wine folder was in root folder inatead of home/user
2024 [15:03:52] <beepboopbeep> which makes sense cause i run'd winecfg as root instead of regular
2025 [15:05:04] <BCMM> yeah, root is an actual user, and if you're running stuff with root permissions you're running it as root. a little different from windows, i think, where a process for an admin user doesn't always have elevated permissions
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2027 [15:05:45] <Rumpled> look at root like you look at a policeman: you can't go around handcuffing people until you become a policeman
2028 [15:06:58] <beepboopbeep> heh
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2030 [15:07:26] <Rumpled> windows is a bit more... awkward about it
2031 [15:07:26] <abff> basically don't use root to modify your system unless you're certain of what the effects might be
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2033 [15:07:40] <Rumpled> ^
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2035 [15:08:43] <abff> Using it to GET information is kind of necessary when troubleshooting though, like lspci, fdisk -l and other commands not available to normal users
2036 [15:09:07] <Rumpled> it tells you when though. nmap does
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2038 [15:09:42] <abff> just today I messed up my python instance, and I couldn't get anything that used python to run, all because I was trying to install some python app as root user
2039 [15:10:22] <BCMM> abff: lspci is very much available to non-root users. it's just your $PATH stopping you using it
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2041 [15:10:43] <abff> learn several things every day
2042 [15:10:44] <BCMM> wait, lspci isn't even in sbin...
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2044 [15:11:11] <abff> BCMM don't look at me, maybe I was thinking of systemctl <_<
2045 [15:11:14] <BCMM> you can just run lspci from your regular shell on a new debian install, don't even need to change your path
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2047 [15:11:56] <BCMM> i was giving my stock answer for when people think non-root users can't use things like ifconfig...
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2049 [15:12:32] <BCMM> (which by default in debian has to be run as /sbin/ifconfig if you're not root)
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2086 [15:28:16] <beepboopbeep> what irc client is recommended in linux?
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2089 [15:28:28] <beepboopbeep> on windows i'm using hexchat
2090 [15:28:38] <Rumpled> i use quassel. i like quassel
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2093 [15:29:10] <Rumpled> but there are so many you'll just have to experiment
2094 [15:29:46] <beepboopbeep> is xchat rexommened? i remember it was unstable on windows
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2096 [15:30:04] <dvs> no
2097 [15:30:07] <Rumpled> if you like having lots of small windows in your face, sure
2098 [15:30:21] <dvs> xchat is not longer being developed
2099 [15:30:29] <Rumpled> ^ didn't know that
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2101 [15:31:26] <Rumpled> isn't pidgin being thrown in to every default installer anymore? you could try that
2102 [15:31:28] <beepboopbeep> i heard the name irrsi(something like that) alot
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2104 [15:31:38] <Rumpled> that's a terminal one i think
2105 [15:31:51] <beepboopbeep> no its not in xfce
2106 [15:32:15] <beepboopbeep> oh yea i don't want commandline irc client
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2110 [15:33:29] <Rumpled> just google a list and look for some screenshots for them
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2117 [15:34:28] <lefreut> back from the dead with my question. I have to create a device in /dev using mknod. seems the device won't survive a reboot. do i have a more "best practice" solution to create than to add the commands in rc.local?
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2122 [15:34:52] <dvs> is udev still a thing?
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2131 [15:36:07] <lefreut> ....i've been fighting with it for two hours with no luck before finding that the device was created in rc.local ;(
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2133 [15:36:27] <lefreut> maybe the fact it's a "module" is the problem?
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2136 [15:37:43] <lefreut> and #udev tell to check with the distro channel ^^
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2152 [15:44:37] <Vizva> Rumpled hexchat
2153 [15:44:48] <Vizva> check it out
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2155 [15:45:10] <Rumpled> too "big" for me
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2160 [15:46:40] <beepboopbeep> do i need gksudo?
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2162 [15:46:53] <Rumpled> not really, no
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2170 [15:48:01] <Rumpled> the only time i've ever used that is to edit the grub cfg and that was before i found nano
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2173 [15:48:16] <beepboopbeep> i'm watching nautilus videos and they use gksudo instead of sudo
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2190 [15:55:53] <ged0> Hi guys,
2191 [15:55:53] <ged0> Need help with systemd. How I set systemd to wait while service gracefully stops?
2192 [15:56:06] <ged0> With all its childs?
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2202 [16:01:10] <hipt> hello
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2204 [16:01:15] <darxmurf> salut
2205 [16:01:23] <hipt> can any 1 help me plz
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2207 [16:02:04] <darxmurf> just ask
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2209 [16:02:52] <hipt> haw can install terminator on cb ?
2210 [16:03:02] <hipt> #! linux
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2214 [16:03:59] <user23123e> hi, whats is the better solution for NFS HA active/passive
2215 [16:04:01] <jelly> hipt: English motherfucker, do you speak it??
2216 [16:04:04] <user23123e> ?
2217 [16:04:28] <jelly> what's cb? what's haw?
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2221 [16:05:00] <hipt> cb Crunch Bang
2222 [16:05:15] <jelly> ah!
2223 [16:05:19] <jelly> !crunchbang
2224 [16:05:19] <dpkg> CrunchBang Linux is a Live CD distribution originally based on <Ubuntu>, now based on Debian as of version 10, featuring the <Openbox> window manager. It is not supported in #debian. replaced-url
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2226 [16:05:30] <jelly> /join #crunchbang
2227 [16:05:52] <hipt> sorry my English is bad
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2230 [16:06:37] <babilen> hipt: It's okay, but it typically helps to spell things out, rather than using "cb", "plz" and similar slang/abbreviations/initialisms
2231 [16:06:37] <hipt> thanks
2232 [16:06:53] <jelly> hipt: no problem, however we do not support derivative distros, so in this case you can ask in #crunchbang channel or ##linux if you don't get an answer in there
2233 [16:06:57] <hipt> ok
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2270 [16:21:24] <jan6> I may or may not have accidentally deleted a partition without having any idea what's on it... replaced-url
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2273 [16:22:18] <lefreut> by wich user are systemd-udevd rules executed?
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2275 [16:22:44] <blip-> FinalX, hi, you were helping me earlier. found out the disk went into RO mode cos it was full. remounting didn't help
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2278 [16:23:29] <blip-> FinalX, i unmounted /data, /opt/ and /home/user, all of which were tied to /dev/vdb. but OS won't let me remount them. fdisk -l says Disk /dev/vdb doesn't contain a valid partition table
2279 [16:23:33] <blip-> should i be concerned
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2302 [16:30:16] <lefreut> are the mount made by systemd-udevd made before the "modprobe" made systemd-udevd? i'm trying to run a script on module load but it end in No such file or directory
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2304 [16:30:47] <lefreut> don't know if it's an acl problem or a workflow problem
2305 [16:31:24] <lefreut> blip: do you have partition on the disk? ie if you do ls /dev/vdb* do you have several results?
2306 [16:31:47] <beepboopbeep> how do i get package list\link from replaced-url
2307 [16:32:05] <jelly> beepboopbeep: which debian release are you using?
2308 [16:32:28] <beepboopbeep> 9.1
2309 [16:32:35] <jelly> if you're using something older than sid, you really don't want to get packages from sid
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2311 [16:32:40] <jelly> ,v hexchat
2312 [16:32:42] <judd> Package: hexchat on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 2.10.0-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2.10.1-1+deb8u1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2.10.1-1+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 2.12.4-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.12.4-3; buster: 2.12.4-5+b2; sid: 2.12.4-5+b2
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2314 [16:33:03] <jelly> beepboopbeep: what's wrong with the version from stretch, then?
2315 [16:33:04] <beepboopbeep> sid?
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2321 [16:34:00] <jelly> beepboopbeep: sid is the development branch of debian, your link points to a information about a package version from sid
2322 [16:34:02] <beepboopbeep> i installed xfce there is not alot of things installed with it so i need to install it manually jelly
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2324 [16:34:45] <jelly> beepboopbeep: hexchat is available in standard repos for 9.1. Just do "apt-get install hexchat"
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2326 [16:34:47] <jelly> as root
2327 [16:35:07] <jelly> if that does not work, something is misconfigured.
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2329 [16:35:16] <beepboopbeep> E: Invalid operation hexchat
2330 [16:35:30] <jelly> you did not type the correct command.
2331 [16:35:52] <beepboopbeep> sudo apt-get hexchat E: Invalid operation hexchat
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2334 [16:37:04] <jelly> beepboopbeep: "sudo apt-get install hexchat"
2335 [16:37:14] <beepboopbeep> ah install lol
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2340 [16:38:19] <beepboopbeep> btw whats the difference between apt and apt-get
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2346 [16:41:01] <somiaj> beepboopbeep: apt-get was part of a collection of software called apt, including things like apt-file, apt-config, etc. apt is a modern replacement of all those binaries into a single binary apt.
2347 [16:41:03] <eoli4n> beepboopbeep: replaced-url
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2362 [16:44:10] <jelly> oooh a REAL client
2363 [16:44:13] <beepnboop-> test
2364 [16:44:20] <beepnboop-> thank you jelly
2365 [16:44:20] <jelly> test failed, beepnboop-
2366 [16:44:30] * jelly hides
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2368 [16:44:45] <beepboopbeep> i wont miss using webclient
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2379 [16:50:22] <blip-> hi all, having this issue with apt-get packages, any thoughts? replaced-url
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2387 [16:51:48] <somiaj> blip-: have you rand pat-get update recentally?
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2389 [16:52:06] <dvs> who's pat? ;-)
2390 [16:52:16] <somiaj> blip-: the output of apt-cache policy could help
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2392 [16:52:52] <dgp> dvs: he delivers post with his black and white cat
2393 [16:53:11] <blip-> somiaj, the machine was managed by an ex-employee, i don't know what he did :/
2394 [16:53:19] <blip-> nor am i very familiar with debian
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2397 [16:53:57] <somiaj> blip-: It looks like this is debian wheezy-lts and things are just out dated (missing security updates). You will need to track down why this conflict exists.
2398 [16:54:01] <somiaj> !bat
2399 [16:54:01] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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2402 [16:55:09] <tw> What does "bat" stand for?
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2413 [16:58:43] <blip-> somiaj, thanks. it's Wheezy 7.9. 1) replaced-url
2414 [16:58:47] <blip-> brb
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2421 [17:00:44] <blip-> shall i uninstall the packages i already have - and let it install fresh dependencies?
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2451 [17:13:46] <tw> probably switch to archive.debian.org as your mirror. I bet the mirror you're using is not providing wheezy updates anymore.
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2458 [17:17:32] <lefreut> are the module from /etc/modules before or after mounts from /etc/fstab?
2459 [17:17:39] <lefreut> *loaded
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2461 [17:18:42] <tw> It depends.
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2463 [17:19:18] <lefreut> tw: god i love you. do you happens to know where i should look to know that? google kinda fail me
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2466 [17:20:01] <tw> iirc, modules gets probed after / comes up but before net. Net filesystems will come up after that
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2468 [17:20:58] <lefreut> and in the case of lvm? don't look like there net one but maybe the depends on modules themself?
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2470 [17:21:11] <tw> That should get baked into your initrd.
2471 [17:21:30] <lefreut> yay that's my problem then :(
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2473 [17:21:44] <lefreut> can't run a script on module load because no mount
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2476 [17:22:03] <lefreut> i'll have to end with rc.local, or a homemade service
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2478 [17:22:33] <tw> You can add some custom scripts to your initrd if you need something run at boot time, but it won't have access to your normal root.
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2484 [17:24:56] <lefreut> that kinda feel like a situation where i will break it and it's 300KM from where i am ;(
2485 [17:25:28] <beepnboop-> test
2486 [17:25:41] <lefreut> beepnboop: received :)
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2488 [17:26:02] <beepnboop-> i'm trying to remove the seconds from the time stamp
2489 [17:26:08] <beepnboop-> its little too extensive
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2491 [17:26:40] <beepnboop-> found
2492 [17:27:03] <tw> lefreut: simulate it in a local VM before deploying it.
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2495 [17:27:46] <tw> Or make friends with someone at the site where the machine is and keep an IP-KVM there just in case.
2496 [17:28:01] <lefreut> tw: sadly that an hardware HSM with custom hw protection i can't quitte simulate
2497 [17:28:19] <tw> Ah. That'd be problematic.
2498 [17:28:28] <lefreut> tw: and the only guys on the site are sales :D i've managed to make them change an IP once but that's it ^^
2499 [17:28:46] <tw> IP-KVM or IPMI sounds like the way to go then.
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2501 [17:29:16] <tw> And invest in test infrastructure if you can swing it.
2502 [17:29:19] <lefreut> tw: ip-kvm is totaly the way to go
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2505 [17:30:23] <lefreut> tw: that is a test infrastructure, but for a start-up and it will go in production, etc, and it have to be quick. :/ thanks again for your time
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2507 [17:31:13] <lefreut> tw: after messing with udev for 4H it's good to see a bit more what is problematic
2508 [17:31:35] <tw> Yep, sorry I can't help more, but your setup is pretty specific. I've done the yubikey-luks unlock thing and it's not particularly common or well documented. I imagine a full HSM would be more complex not less.
2509 [17:33:40] <tw> Oh, another thing that might catch you; make sure to test all your scripts with dash or busybox ash; the initrd/ramfs environment is not bash.
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2511 [17:34:29] <lefreut> tw: they have been tested using /bin/sh but i'll do that! thanks for the advice
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2515 [17:35:19] <tw> /bin/sh on debian is usually linked to bash.
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2517 [17:35:51] <lefreut> tw:...damn looking so noob
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2519 [17:36:15] <tw> They're common assumptions.
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2524 [17:36:44] <colo-work> tw, hasn't that been changed to dash with wheezy?
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2527 [17:37:10] <tw> Not that I'm aware of. My stretch install still does it.
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2530 [17:37:32] <colo-work> I have stretch (upgraded all the way since squeeze) on this desktop, and it says: dash: /bin/sh
2531 [17:37:39] <colo-work> (with a diversion from that package)
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2534 [17:38:22] <colo-work> replaced-url
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2543 [17:42:28] <rudi_s> tw: Default is dash nowadays, old systems are AFAIK not automatically upgraded (but I think there was a debconf dialog during upgrade).
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2545 [17:42:58] <tw> Okay, if I install bash that automatically diverts sh -> basdh?
2546 [17:43:13] <rudi_s> No. Both dash and bash are essential and always installed.
2547 [17:43:26] <rudi_s> But you can change which one is used as /bin/h.
2548 [17:43:29] <rudi_s> */bin/sh
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2553 [17:44:56] <tw> lefreut: okay, ignore me, my install apears to be non-standard.
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2581 [17:56:18] <hellyeah> !msn dpkg buster-backports
2582 [17:56:26] <lefreut> tw: in either case i'll have to check
2583 [17:56:26] <hellyeah> !msg dpkg buster-backports
2584 [17:57:02] <hellyeah> !dpkg buster-backports
2585 [17:57:06] <hellyeah> !dpkg buster-backport
2586 [17:57:12] <hellyeah> hm
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2589 [17:57:31] <BCMM> isn't the syntax just
2590 [17:57:34] <BCMM> !buster-backports
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2592 [17:57:40] <BCMM> nevermind.
2593 [17:57:46] <hellyeah> sorry
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2595 [17:57:57] <hellyeah> !strectch-backports
2596 [17:58:04] <hellyeah> !dpkg strectch-backports
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2598 [17:58:13] <at0m> stretch
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2600 [17:58:19] <hellyeah> this bot is smart
2601 [17:58:29] <hellyeah> !dpkg stretch-backports
2602 [17:58:30] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Buster (Debian 10) but recompiled for use with Stretch (Debian 9) can be found in the stretch-backports repository. See replaced-url
2603 [17:58:35] <hellyeah> oket
2604 [17:58:43] <at0m> it's pretty dumb. like any computer, it doesn't take typo's for commands.
2605 [17:58:51] <uxfi> hellyeah; hellyeah !
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2607 [17:59:03] <hellyeah> uxfi: sup
2608 [17:59:23] <at0m> hellyeah: for more, /msg dpkg help and you can chat all you want
2609 [17:59:25] <BCMM> i kinda assumed people started messages with ! infrequently enough that it would say something if it doesn't have any information for a given keyword
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2611 [18:00:11] <BCMM> at0m: apt install sl :)
2612 [18:00:35] <hellyeah> at0m: thanks
2613 [18:00:38] <BCMM> (it helps your shell understand typos)
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2627 [18:05:06] <hellyeah> which package contain pip3?
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2630 [18:06:00] <lefreut> don't know if its the 3 but python-pip?
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2636 [18:07:23] <hellyeah> interesting
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2640 [18:08:14] <lefreut> no seems it only provide pip and pip2 sorry: replaced-url
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2644 [18:09:02] <lefreut> hellyeah: python3-pip
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2650 [18:10:36] <user__93459> just tested, python3-pip contains pip3
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2652 [18:10:52] <hellyeah> i am installing python-pip now
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2655 [18:11:29] <somiaj> hellyeah: you should be careful with pip, and may want to look into python virtual enviroments.
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2658 [18:12:22] <hellyeah> somiaj: i have to install a software called safe eyes
2659 [18:12:32] <hellyeah> the instruction asked for pip3
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2663 [18:13:19] <somiaj> hellyeah: you should really be doing this in a python virtual enviorment, and not on the system itself.
2664 [18:13:50] <somiaj> look at the package pyhton3-virtualenv
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2667 [18:14:46] <hellyeah> hmm
2668 [18:15:04] <hellyeah> you mean not install something with pip to your system*
2669 [18:15:07] <somiaj> hellyeah: the idea here is that you don't want to use pip3 (or any other tool except apt/dpkg) to install software in /usr (system locations). With a python virtual enviroment you can install any collection of python packges in their own enviroment seperate from the system.
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2672 [18:16:20] <hellyeah> understand
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2674 [18:16:35] <hellyeah> how to construct python virtual environment?
2675 [18:16:49] <somiaj> the package I pointed out should build it for you
2676 [18:17:17] <somiaj> python3-virtualenv -- I'm not that familar with the details as all the python packages I use are already in debian so I don't need a seperate enviroment
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2680 [18:18:07] <hellyeah> somiaj: let me install that
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2684 [18:20:08] <hellyeah> so somiaj now everything i install with php3 will be installed under vitrual env is it?
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2689 [18:23:37] <hellyeah> dont have pip3 package on system
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2717 [18:31:39] <kolnpole> i deleted my boot partition
2718 [18:31:46] <kolnpole> can i undo it?
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2723 [18:32:24] <n4n0`> negative kolnpole.
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2726 [18:32:31] <kolnpole> :((
2727 [18:32:54] <kolnpole> never drunk and roor
2728 [18:32:58] <kolnpole> root
2729 [18:33:10] <n4n0`> agreed
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2731 [18:33:27] <Sir_Designer> you should grab a network intall and reinstall
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2735 [18:34:05] <kolnpole> my pc is right now on so ...im downloading and making a usb bootable
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2740 [18:34:44] <user__93459> backup your data
2741 [18:34:59] <n4n0`> maybe next time you could make a drunk test script for root access
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2743 [18:35:47] <kolnpole> lmao ..ya
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2745 [18:36:17] <user__93459> now selling... usb breathalyzer
2746 [18:36:34] <user__93459> xD
2747 [18:36:38] <n4n0`> if you do bash such a script, be sure to give me the github so I can use it too :)
2748 [18:36:59] <kolnpole> hahahaha xd sure
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2782 [18:50:15] <BCMM> n4n0`: just make a sufficiently difficult root password
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2797 [18:59:37] <lefreut> not working if you use keepass like solutions :o
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2799 [19:02:05] <n4n0`> BCMM, that might work.
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2816 [19:07:43] <demo_> hello, anyone here familiar with ddrescue ?
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2819 [19:08:27] <apollo13> demo_: please do not ask meta question but a concrete one
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2823 [19:10:04] <demo_> i have - last run time: 19.99 h, successful read: 19.99 h ago
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2825 [19:10:18] <demo_> does it mean its not reading anymore ?
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2828 [19:10:42] <demo_> ipos/opos have increased but i dont know what they mean
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2831 [19:11:40] <apollo13> man ddrescue will give you hints on waht ipos and opos are
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2833 [19:12:03] <apollo13> most likely something towards input and output position
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2849 [19:16:17] <demo_> i want to know if its still reacovering stuff or hdd is dead
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2852 [19:16:55] <jhutchins_wk> demo_: I would guess that it last completed 20 hours ago.
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2856 [19:17:37] <demo_> its been like this since ive started it
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2859 [19:18:01] <demo_> last week it was different, last read was smaller than runtime
2860 [19:18:09] <jhutchins_wk> demo_: You should read the dd docs.
2861 [19:18:25] <jhutchins_wk> demo_: If you're running ddrescue on a weekly basis you have other problems.
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2864 [19:19:54] <demo_> its a bad hdd that im trying to rescue one single docx file, wich has the header missing, and since its a zip, whole file is lost
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2881 [19:26:31] <Somelauw> How can I use the Emacs package located here? replaced-url
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2883 [19:27:02] <section1> hi guys i have debian 9 with samba 4.5 and have a shared with force create mode = 0770 ...but don't works as expected.. when cp from console works fine...but when copy files from dolphin the copied files get with the original permissions ...anny ida ? maybe a bug ?
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2896 [19:33:01] <apollo13> section1: maybe dolphin issues a chmod`
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2898 [19:33:47] <section1> apollo13, yeah maybe
2899 [19:34:03] <section1> but for example in other server with samba 3 don't happen this
2900 [19:34:12] <section1> an old debian
2901 [19:34:32] <apollo13> then make sure to increase debug logging
2902 [19:35:03] <section1> i will try that maybe force the mode and the apply dolphin mode..not sure
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2962 [20:03:25] <beepnboop-> sudo apt-get install steam E: Unable to locate package steam
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2967 [20:04:51] <nostr0mo> beepnboop- have you got non-free repos enabled?
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2969 [20:05:09] <beepnboop-> not sure
2970 [20:05:24] <beepnboop-> not likely
2971 [20:06:17] <nostr0mo> You might need to enable it to install it - replaced-url
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2978 [20:08:03] <beepnboop-> what is the non free repository for 9.1?
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2983 [20:09:01] <geard> Hello all, i'm following some guides on setting up a pxe server. I install syslinux-common but don't see a pxelinux.0 in the /usr/lib/syslinux/ did this file get changed and i'm following an old guide or am i missing something?
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2986 [20:09:35] <n4dir> !non-free sources
2987 [20:09:36] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
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2989 [20:09:42] <n4dir> beepnboop-: ^^
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2995 [20:11:32] <beepnboop-> deb replaced-url
2996 [20:11:37] <beepnboop-> like that?
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2998 [20:12:11] <n4dir> that line contains stretch-updates
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3001 [20:12:29] <n4dir> you will want to edit that one too, but also the other entries
3002 [20:12:49] <beepnboop-> keep just the stertch?
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3006 [20:14:05] <jhutchins_wk> geard: It may be named syslinux.
3007 [20:14:12] <Rumpled> deb replaced-url
3008 [20:14:24] <n4dir> replaced-url
3009 [20:14:31] <jhutchins_wk> Rumpled: Need a relase.
3010 [20:14:49] <n4dir> so add contrib and non-free (usually you can remove or comment the deb-src lines though)
3011 [20:15:29] <Rumpled> yeah don't forget that like i did lol
3012 [20:15:42] <n4dir> ups, there already is an example which contains contrib and non-free, just copy and paste that (after removing all old entries)
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3019 [20:18:04] <beepnboop-> it installs it but doesn't load
3020 [20:18:16] <jhutchins_wk> !steam
3021 [20:18:16] <dpkg> Steam is a proprietary content delivery and management application for PC software with Linux support. Packaged in <non-free>; amd64 users are required to enable <multiarch> and install the steam:i386 package. For help with upstream issues, ask #steamlug on irc.freenode.net. replaced-url
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3025 [20:19:02] <algun|home> Anyone know of a DHT search engine one could install?
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3027 [20:19:27] <beepnboop-> for dpkg --add-architecture i386 do i need sudo\su?
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3029 [20:19:35] <annadane> beepnboop-, yes
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3036 [20:21:09] <beepnboop-> i don't think it does anything
3037 [20:21:10] <jhutchins_wk> !search
3038 [20:21:10] <dpkg> Please search for things rather than just asking, e.g. «apt-cache search regex», or with <aptitude search>. The following ways can locate packages that own a file (installed, or candidate for install): «dpkg -S /bin/foo», <apt-file>, <pdo> (online) and «/msg judd help file» (bot). <search dpkg> for factoids. See replaced-url
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3040 [20:21:47] <algun|home> jhutchins_wk: i did
3041 [20:22:02] <beepnboop-> user@debian:~$ sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
3042 [20:22:03] <beepnboop-> user@debian:~$
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3048 [20:23:59] <beepnboop-> same in su(without sudo)
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3051 [20:25:02] <annadane> beepnboop-, IIRC i don't think you get a confirmation message when you do that
3052 [20:25:04] <jelly> beepnboop-: that looks like it worked.
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3054 [20:25:48] <beepnboop-> reinstall steam now?
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3056 [20:25:54] <beepnboop-> cause it still doesn't open
3057 [20:25:56] <jelly> beepnboop-: so do an "apt-get update" after that
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3059 [20:26:13] <jelly> ,v steam --arch i386
3060 [20:26:15] <judd> Package: steam on i386 -- jessie/non-free: 1.0.0.49-1; buster/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; sid/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2; stretch/non-free: 1.0.0.54-2
3061 [20:26:16] <algun|home> jhutchins_wk: aptitude this time as well
3062 [20:26:18] <jelly> ,v steam --arch amd64
3063 [20:26:19] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
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3066 [20:27:23] <jelly> if you have the standard set of repos for stretch configured it ought to be installable after that
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3069 [20:27:41] <jelly> (well, standard w/ contrib and non-free)
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3110 [20:41:43] <OS-29528> !gamma
3111 [20:41:43] <dpkg> i heard gamma is the third letter of the greek alphabet or a high energy/low wavelength (since they're the same thing, ask me about Planck's law) photon
3112 [20:42:25] <algun|home> !dht
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3121 [20:44:27] <OS-29528> !Planck's law
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3123 [20:45:13] <jelly> wtf
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3153 [20:56:09] <nix64bit> so i sshed into my install that froze without any logs and demsg showed this message
3154 [20:56:10] <nix64bit> nouveau 0000:01:00.0: msvld: unable to load firmware data
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3156 [20:56:49] <nix64bit> dmesg
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3160 [20:57:12] <somiaj> I don't know if that would be the cause of the freezes, but you can install the firmware from non-free I belive
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3163 [20:57:36] <nix64bit> is there any way to customize nouveau?
3164 [20:57:49] <somiaj> in what way?
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3166 [20:58:07] <nix64bit> Is it a good idea to use non free firmawre?
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3168 [20:58:39] <nix64bit> well maybe resinstakl it with diffent options
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3170 [20:58:42] <somiaj> I say yes, but at some level this is a matter of choice and how much effort you want to go through to only use free (as in DFSG) software
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3172 [20:59:16] <somiaj> you can't install it with different options. If there is some option you need to toggle this can usually be done via modprobe or in your xorg.conf file. What options are you needing to change?
3173 [20:59:16] <nix64bit> its a pretty old graphics card
3174 [20:59:20] <babilen> And it's very hard to get around hardware needing firmare or microcode
3175 [20:59:54] <babilen> I mean your processor will always use it, just outdated versions if you don't install the Debian package (/msg dpkg microcode) or flash motherboard firmare frequently
3176 [20:59:55] <nix64bit> i am keen to stop the gfreezing
3177 [21:00:24] <somiaj> nix64bit: I don't think nouveau missing firmware is the cause of your freezes.
3178 [21:00:51] <nix64bit> what could it be then?
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3180 [21:01:32] <somiaj> but if you would like, look a few lines before that message and let us know exactly what firmware file it is not able to find and we can check if it is installable in debian
3181 [21:01:52] <nix64bit> ah thanks
3182 [21:01:57] <somiaj> It maybe worth trying to use the firmware, but usually with nouveau, missing firmware just disables features, but won't cause a freeze.
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3185 [21:02:25] <nix64bit> nouveau 0000:01:00.0: Direct firmware load for nouveau/nv106_fuc084d failed with error -2
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3191 [21:02:55] <annadane> may be able to find the source of the freezing by journalct
3192 [21:02:59] <annadane> journalctl*
3193 [21:03:18] <nix64bit> it happens intermittently
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3195 [21:03:58] <nix64bit> mouse moves about but keyboard is dead
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3198 [21:04:33] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: usb keyboard?
3199 [21:04:38] <nix64bit> yup
3200 [21:04:40] <gftg> Is anybody here aware of reasons why debian is not available as a charity on humblebundle.com?
3201 [21:04:58] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: That's probably not anything to do with the graphics.
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3203 [21:05:00] <gftg> Maybe this has been discussed in the past and people don't want it.
3204 [21:05:16] <gftg> Or maybe, debian is only not aware of it.
3205 [21:05:19] <nix64bit> jhutchins_wk: I have no idea what it is
3206 [21:05:23] <somiaj> nix64bit: it appears debian dosen't package the firmware for nouveau. I'm unusre on the details here as I use the non-free driver. For your case I doubt this issue is what is causing your crashes.
3207 [21:05:29] <beepnboop-> jelly, i did apt+apt-get update afterwards
3208 [21:05:37] <beepnboop-> steam still doesn't load
3209 [21:05:41] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: In fact, it could be the USB port.
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3211 [21:06:14] <nix64bit> i did try and plug usb into to diffent ports
3212 [21:06:24] <jhutchins_wk> beepnboop-: update just updates the lists. upgrade or -f install will install packages.
3213 [21:06:46] <beepnboop-> i did upgrade too
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3218 [21:07:39] <nix64bit> i am using a usb hub
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3223 [21:09:25] <nix64bit> somiaj: thanks for looking
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3226 [21:09:56] <nix64bit> i should get a nw graphics card, what is recommended?
3227 [21:10:39] <somiaj> depends on what you want to do. I personally use intel on my laptops that I only need 2D graphcs, and nvidia+non-free drivers for systems I use 3D
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3229 [21:11:29] <somiaj> but this is a personal choice, many like ati/radeon. They do have better open drivers than nvidia, but the debian non-free driver in linux is somewhat better than ati/radeons (though my expreience maybe outdated)
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3231 [21:12:47] <nix64bit> silly qustion how do i get the graphics card info?
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3240 [21:16:07] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: lspci -nn
3241 [21:16:28] <tw> nix64bit: Depends what you're llooking for. lspci will give you information about the hardware. glxinfo will give you some information about the running driver and library's graphics support.
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3243 [21:17:01] <nix64bit> wow thanks
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3245 [21:17:28] <nix64bit> i was just looking it up and you cut to the chase
3246 [21:17:33] <nix64bit> ;)
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3248 [21:17:50] <beepnboop-> try reinstalling?
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3253 [21:20:17] <Kobaz> what's the best way to get a newer kernel (newer than 4.9) on debian jessie (other than the obvious custom-kernel)... ie... what's a more debian-ish way of doing it
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3257 [21:21:37] <greycat> Why not upgrade to stretch?
3258 [21:21:44] <Kobaz> i will eventually
3259 [21:21:56] <Kobaz> i need to rebuild a lot of my apps for stretch
3260 [21:21:57] <greycat> Trying to run a kernel that's 2 releases beyond your userspace is just asking for trouble.
3261 [21:22:23] <Kobaz> greycat: depends on the changes
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3264 [21:22:53] <nix64bit> lshw -class display
3265 [21:22:54] <Kobaz> there's no real breaking userspace changes between 4.9 and 4.12 for instance
3266 [21:23:09] <greycat> You can *try* downloading the buster kernel package and see if it'll install, or if it depends on a too-new version of udev, dbus or whatever.
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3270 [21:23:28] <Kobaz> greycat: i have 4.12.8 running on deebian-squeeze
3271 [21:23:37] <Kobaz> one of my dev/testing boxes for older systems
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3275 [21:24:53] <nix64bit> replaced-url
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3277 [21:25:12] <Kobaz> greycat: earlier kernels, yes definitely
3278 [21:25:16] <Kobaz> udev, etc
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3282 [21:26:44] <Kobaz> ah, 4.12 from stretch installed just fine
3283 [21:26:52] <Kobaz> stretch-backports
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3291 [21:29:31] <jhutchins_wk> Kobaz: To answer your actual question, doing your own backport would probably be the "debian way". See /msg dpkg ssb for the general technique.
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3295 [21:30:38] <Kobaz> k
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3302 [21:32:49] <nix64bit> back to the freeze I tried journalctl | grep usb
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3306 [21:33:51] <nix64bit> i tried to grep error but nothing of interest
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3311 [21:38:15] <jhutchins_wk> nix64bit: I would expect that sort of thing to show up in dmesg rather than the journal.
3312 [21:38:42] <nix64bit> I had a look there not sure what to look for
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3319 [21:40:24] <hexhaxtron> I'm using XFCE4 and the Programmer Dvorak keyboard layout. I also set the Compose Key to Right Alt but I can't make accents... What can I do?
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3321 [21:40:52] <nix64bit> i see gitlab is still running a service, I unistalled it ages ago
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3327 [21:43:45] <Somelauw> hexhaxtron: compose, e, '
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3329 [21:43:56] <Somelauw> or compose ' e
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3334 [21:45:10] <hexhaxtron> Somelauw: I know that... I can do only this one: á ó é
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3337 [21:45:38] <hexhaxtron> But I can't make for example an a with a tilde ~
3338 [21:45:42] <Somelauw> hexhaxtron: that's three already
3339 [21:45:48] <hexhaxtron> Or circumflex
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3341 [21:45:52] <hexhaxtron> a with ^
3342 [21:46:01] <grauzikas> Hello, i need an dhcp server what can be backended with an database server (for example mysql), i need it to store/update mac addresses and network information to specify for dhcp clients what ip they should get. may be some one can sugest an dhcp server name :) ?
3343 [21:46:02] <Somelauw> ã is compose ~ a
3344 [21:46:13] <hexhaxtron> Somelauw: doesn't work...
3345 [21:46:22] <Somelauw> â is compose ^ a
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3349 [21:46:38] <hexhaxtron> Doesn't work... :)
3350 [21:47:02] <Somelauw> hexhaxtron: does it work in a terminal?
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3352 [21:47:12] <hexhaxtron> Doesn't work everywhere.
3353 [21:47:24] <greycat> Then you're not in X, or you haven't defined a Multi_key, or you have overridden the default Debian X11 input compositions.
3354 [21:47:57] <Somelauw> hexhaxtron: Do you have a .Xcompose file?
3355 [21:48:13] <hexhaxtron> Somelauw: nope.
3356 [21:48:17] <Somelauw> If not it uses /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
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3358 [21:48:31] <Somelauw> although that might depend on your locale
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3360 [21:48:45] <nix64bit> anyway thanks for the help
3361 [21:48:45] <jhutchins_wk> grauzikas: The standard dhcp server will allow you to reserve IPs by MAC.
3362 [21:48:47] <greycat> replaced-url
3363 [21:48:49] <nix64bit> night
3364 [21:49:46] <jhutchins_wk> ,v kea
3365 [21:49:47] <judd> No package named 'kea' was found in amd64.
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3368 [21:50:05] <Somelauw> if you create a .XCompose file, you should start the file with include "%L", which is an undocumented feature unfortunately
3369 [21:50:07] <jhutchins_wk> grauzikas: kea is a project to develop a dhcp server with mysql back-end.
3370 [21:50:19] <greycat> it's documented on that wiki page
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3372 [21:50:48] <greycat> and it's documented in one of the man pages, obviously, or I wouldn't have been able to write that wiki page
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3378 [21:51:40] <Kobaz> jhutchins_wk: does it do postres?
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3380 [21:51:47] <grauzikas> Thank you, kea exist only in newest debian, but it`s not a problem :)
3381 [21:51:48] <Kobaz> *postgres
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3388 [21:53:59] <Somelauw> greycat: many open source projects seem to have outdated wiki pages, but this one looks okay
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3393 [21:54:05] <Plushwolf> How can I make a bootable USB drive *without* formatting it first and *without* using dd or similar?
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3395 [21:54:24] <Plushwolf> Want to copy a ISO or USB image on it
3396 [21:54:31] <Kobaz> Plushwolf: why would you want to avoid those two?
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3399 [21:54:55] <greycat> dd or cp the image onto the raw device
3400 [21:55:00] <Plushwolf> I don't have a CD drive and only one USB drive
3401 [21:55:16] <Kobaz> why do you want to avoid formatting
3402 [21:55:27] <Kobaz> why do you want to avoid dd
3403 [21:55:32] <greycat> What are you REALLY trying to do? Preserve the contents of crap that's already on the USB device somehow?
3404 [21:55:37] <Plushwolf> I have data on the drive?
3405 [21:55:42] <Kobaz> move the data
3406 [21:55:43] <greycat> Copy it to a hard disk.
3407 [21:55:50] <Kobaz> set up the image, and then copy the data back
3408 [21:56:25] <Kobaz> bootable usb, in order to work... needs a *very* specific setup
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3410 [21:57:06] <Kobaz> you're making it incredibly difficult if you want to keep the data that's already there..... you have ample ways to set up your usb stick using known methods... why dive into unknown/hacky/roundabout methods that may or may not work?
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3416 [21:58:35] <Kobaz> jhutchins_wk: looks like it does do postgres... yay
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3418 [21:58:38] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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3438 [22:08:20] <Phrk_> Hello i need debian jessie iso, but i don't find it, any help pls ?
3439 [22:08:36] <Kobaz> replaced-url
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3441 [22:08:42] <sIRwa2> hello, i just learned about apt. can i safely use "apt update" where is used to use "apt-get update" ? im asking because i learned use apt and aptitude togheter was bad practice. is this the same in this case?
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3445 [22:08:54] <sIRwa2> is = I
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3449 [22:09:37] <greycat> The main difference is "apt install" (et al.) will automatically remove the .deb files afterward.
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3454 [22:10:31] <sIRwa2> oke. thats good because i nver knew those files stayed :)
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3468 [22:14:10] <jhutchins_wk> sIRwa2: You can use apt, apt-get, aptitude, and straight dpkg if you want. Unlike RPM systems, it won't complain.
3469 [22:14:22] <sIRwa2> and in Phrk_ defence, downloading an iso of Debian, especially not the cuurent stable can be quite a challenge.. but so is configuring your system :)
3470 [22:14:37] <Phrk_> jeez
3471 [22:14:43] <sIRwa2> cool tnx guys!
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3475 [22:15:13] <Phrk_> sIRwa2, it's just to make some test
3476 [22:15:17] <Phrk_> not to use it
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3478 [22:15:33] <sIRwa2> 32 or 64 bit?
3479 [22:15:38] <Phrk_> i dont care
3480 [22:16:16] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: Would you prefer to use the current relase?
3481 [22:16:37] <Phrk_> jhutchins_wk, i want Jessie because someone on jessie saying my app don't work
3482 [22:17:03] <greycat> if you're trying to duplicate a reported problem, then you want to use the same architecture as the user
3483 [22:17:33] <Phrk_> it's not a things on the architecture
3484 [22:17:34] <greycat> and ideally the same hardware, or as close as you can find
3485 [22:17:55] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: Good for you then!
3486 [22:18:09] <greycat> if you think it's a pure userspace issue, then just debootrap a jessie install into a chroot
3487 [22:18:20] <greycat> debootstrap *
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3489 [22:18:22] <Phrk_> it's a gui things with gnome
3490 [22:18:37] <greycat> gnome? /me backs away
3491 [22:18:42] <Phrk_> ye i know
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3493 [22:18:44] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: replaced-url
3494 [22:18:51] <greycat> is not jessie
3495 [22:18:54] <Phrk_> it's current
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3498 [22:19:04] <Phrk_> nice try btw
3499 [22:19:30] <Phrk_> lol maybe i can buy a old cd on ebay
3500 [22:19:31] <Phrk_> haha
3501 [22:19:41] <greycat> !debootstrap
3502 [22:19:41] <dpkg> debootstrap can create a basic Debian system from scratch, without apt/dpkg. Useful for installing in a <chroot>. It is key to installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux system, ask me about <install guide>. replaced-url
3503 [22:19:56] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: replaced-url
3504 [22:20:13] <Phrk_> ?
3505 [22:20:29] <Phrk_> if i ask here, i already tried google
3506 [22:20:50] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: So there's the download URL and the install guide, what more do you want/
3507 [22:21:15] <greycat> Phrk_: not very well, apparently
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3511 [22:21:41] <greycat> First google search I tried, second result is replaced-url
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3515 [22:22:16] <Phrk_> wow greycat my life saver
3516 [22:22:17] <jhutchins_wk> Developers. Bah.
3517 [22:22:29] <Phrk_> jhutchins_wk, i dont find the link on your page
3518 [22:22:57] <jhutchins_wk> :18 < jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: replaced-url
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3522 [22:24:30] <Phrk_> thx guys /°
3523 [22:24:46] <sIRwa2> replaced-url
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3525 [22:25:04] <greycat> that's very old
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3527 [22:25:18] <tw> there's got to be a better installer image than a pre-release RC one.
3528 [22:25:21] <sIRwa2> this mirror browses quite nice is this is not correct :)
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3531 [22:26:02] <sIRwa2> replaced-url
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3533 [22:26:18] <sIRwa2> have fun sIRwa2 out.
3534 [22:26:53] <Phrk_> btw, what if stretch choose a pkg that would be unsupported in 3 month ?
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3537 [22:28:24] <greycat> If upstream support is removed, the Debian packagers will either choose to support it themselves (unlikely), or they'll remove the package from Debian for future releases.
3538 [22:28:46] <greycat> Existing stable releases of the package will probably remain untouched until a security bug is found.
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3540 [22:29:11] <jhutchins_wk> If it's just a version that goes out of support it's usually maintained by the packagers with backported patches.
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3542 [22:29:32] <Phrk_> jeez, i dunno why the guy didnt choose the next version
3543 [22:29:35] <mefistofeles> hello, any reason why python-stdeb has the pypi-install but python3-stdeb doesn't have an alternative?
3544 [22:29:40] <Phrk_> it was already out when they freezed
3545 [22:29:51] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: Has to do with how the software gets into testing and when testing gets frozen.
3546 [22:30:11] <lionrouge> hi !
3547 [22:30:17] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: Like I said, if it's just an older version chances are the debian package is patched.
3548 [22:30:19] <Phrk_> ye i know but its was already out when they freez
3549 [22:30:24] <lionrouge> how to create default values for all new users for dconf values?
3550 [22:30:32] <lionrouge> i'm using Debian 9 XFCE
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3552 [22:30:54] <Phrk_> jhutchins_wk, lol so it will be a frankenstein pkg
3553 [22:31:13] <Phrk_> well dont get me wrong, same shit with other distrib
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3560 [22:33:20] <jhutchins_wk> Phrk_: It's like redhat will be patching/supporting PHP 5.3 through the EOL of RH6.
3561 [22:33:31] <jhutchins_wk> lionrouge: replaced-url
3562 [22:33:48] <jhutchins_wk> lionrouge: I suppose you could try dpkg-reconfigure dconf
3563 [22:33:58] <lionrouge> jhutchins_wk, thanks
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3571 [22:37:01] <Phrk_> redhat my god, it's worst
3572 [22:37:31] <mrjayribs> What about centos? basically the same thing yeah
3573 [22:37:33] <mrjayribs> ?*
3574 [22:37:43] <Phrk_> it's only here because rich guy trust it because there is money behind it
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3576 [22:38:01] <Phrk_> yeah i dunno centos
3577 [22:38:12] <Phrk_> but same old pkg
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3579 [22:38:14] <annadane> try to limit the chatter; this is a support channel
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3581 [22:38:46] <annadane> there's #debian-offtopic if you like
3582 [22:39:07] <Phrk_> debian gestapo :) ok i mute
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3584 [22:39:52] <Phrk_> but since i'm the only one talking
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3601 [22:45:54] <fluffyduff> i am looking forward to getting wireguard into debian
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3606 [22:48:52] <jhutchins_wk> ,v wireguard
3607 [22:48:54] <judd> No package named 'wireguard' was found in amd64.
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3609 [22:49:39] <jhutchins_wk> Hmn, supposed to be in unstable.
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3626 [22:56:01] <fluffyduff> ah cool will take a look
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3628 [22:57:33] <fluffyduff> yes, it is in sid
3629 [22:57:41] <fluffyduff> replaced-url
3630 [22:57:55] <fluffyduff> yes! awesome!
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3638 [23:00:35] <annadane> fluffyduff, but don't mix sid and stable packages
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3640 [23:00:43] <annadane> !ssb
3641 [23:00:43] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
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3644 [23:01:42] <fluffyduff> i am not going too, just happy it is in unstable and will eventually come to stable (hopefully)
3645 [23:01:50] <fluffyduff> thanks for mentioning
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3750 [23:51:30] <leibniz> yo
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3753 [23:51:36] <leibniz> is anyone avaliable to help?
3754 [23:51:39] <leibniz> zmod?
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3760 [23:53:05] <doslas> hi
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3773 [23:57:32] <annadane> leibniz, just ask your question
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