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74 [00:48:50] <coincoin169> Hi, I want to confirm (or not) something about PXE: the pxelinux.0 (or whatever those are called) are downloaded by the booting client and executed on the client CPU? This means that if I have a different clients (ARM, PPC, x86, ...) I cannot have a single tftp server serving a PXE menu for choosing between different distro/architectures because even this PXE menu has to be run on the client CPU? Am i right or not?
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78 [00:51:37] <oerheks> yes you can replaced-url
79 [00:51:59] <oerheks> the arch of the host would be preferrably 64 bit
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82 [00:52:39] <coincoin169> oerheks: does this mean that the PXE menu code is executed by the network card?
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85 [00:54:05] <oerheks> depends what menu you use, that example is simply ascii
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87 [00:55:33] <coincoin169> yes but even going with simple ASCII this means that the network card executes some opcodes and that a PXE menu can be therefore independant of the client arch, ARM, PPC, x86...?
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99 [01:00:57] <oerheks> yes, transparant.
100 [01:01:27] <oerheks> though i never done this with arm, but should basicly be the same
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167 [01:41:14] <nnyby> hi, the debian wiki says the debian runlevel is defined in /etc/inittab - however, that file isn't there in debian buster/testing replaced-url
168 [01:41:20] <nnyby> has this been changed since systemd?
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170 [01:42:10] <nvz> nnyby: yes systemd has changed everything
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172 [01:42:32] <nnyby> okay, so we should update the wiki
173 [01:43:05] <nnyby> how are runlevels defined now? do they still exist?
174 [01:43:08] <nvz> nnyby: perhaps.. youd be surprised how hard it can be to find people to do small tasks like that
175 [01:43:35] <nnyby> well, i will do it right now soon as i figure out how to log in :P
176 [01:44:07] <nvz> nnyby: they definately still exist but I'm not certain how they are configured. I do know there is a systemctl default command that loads the default runlevel I'd have to dig around in the docs to figure it out
177 [01:44:23] <nnyby> alright, thanks
178 [01:45:09] <nvz> yeah well I wasnt implying I was going to.. just that I'd have to.. heh. I just woke up and I'm on my way to the bathroom :P
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181 [01:46:39] <nnyby> hehe it's cool, i understand
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188 [01:57:15] <Tramp> nnyby: I think it depends upon where /lib/systemd/system/default.target points to. A mapping is given in "man runlevel"
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191 [01:59:27] <nvz> nnyby: yes there are set-default and get-default commands for systemctl and it seems that there is a systemd target for default, emergency, rescue, shutdown, reboot, etc
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193 [02:00:25] <Tramp> ... and I'd roughly guess that "systemctl isolate <target as given in the man runlevel mapping>" is similar to changing the runlevel ...
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197 [02:01:22] <Tramp> although according to the telinit-manpage, it's done automagically with telinit.
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200 [02:02:25] <nvz> yes the init commands still work, but systemd doesn't have runlevels as such.. it has states defined by different targets
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240 [02:34:53] <Haxxa> Any ides: The repository 'replaced-url
241 [02:35:00] <Haxxa> can't update by apt any more
242 [02:35:10] <Haxxa> all my sources are disabled
243 [02:35:42] <Haxxa> literally every source even from 3rd parties - something went wrong
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247 [02:37:55] <Berzerker> hello, I'm having a little trouble setting up ipmitool on an OS that's local to the server, first of all, am I not understanding what I'm trying to do, and b) does anyone have any experience?
248 [02:38:11] <Berzerker> from what I've seen, I should be able to control the IPMI if I have the right kernel modules loaded
249 [02:38:41] <Berzerker> but I'm still receiving errors after going through the tutorials
250 [02:39:49] <NEOalquimista> Haxxa: I had the same problem earlier, check your /etc/apt/sources.list
251 [02:40:07] <NEOalquimista> Here's mine for reference, see if there's anything wrong:
252 [02:40:11] <NEOalquimista> replaced-url
253 [02:40:51] <NEOalquimista> It could be the stretch-updates or stretch/updates set incorrectly.
254 [02:41:16] <NEOalquimista> I wonder if the latest updates messed with it.
255 [02:42:54] <Haxxa> NEOalquimista, nah i just figured it out
256 [02:42:58] <Haxxa> network issue
257 [02:43:07] <NEOalquimista> really? what kind of issue?
258 [02:43:08] <rozie> Haxxa: use replaced-url
259 [02:43:14] <Haxxa> should have checked first - vlan config must be broken
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261 [02:44:49] <Haxxa> any ideas what might be wrong: replaced-url
262 [02:45:16] <Haxxa> vrmbr0 connects to my router yet vrmbr1 is been used it seems
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264 [02:46:23] <Haxxa> notice it uses the wrong bridge: replaced-url
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274 [02:53:48] <rozie> Haxxa: check routing
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276 [02:54:04] <Haxxa> rozie, yep that was the issue
277 [02:54:08] <Haxxa> not sure why it changed
278 [02:54:25] <Haxxa> need to set default static route perm somehow
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280 [02:55:47] <rozie> post-up entries in /etc/network/interfaces maybe?
281 [02:56:04] <rozie> or good old rc.local ;)
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296 [03:09:51] <thingfish> I would like to install Debian, but debian.org's links to install all give 404 errors.
297 [03:10:00] <thingfish> any idea what's going on?
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299 [03:10:08] <eck> which link?
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301 [03:10:41] <thingfish> the ones that point to a netinstall image, or any of the other ways to install.
302 [03:10:42] <eck> use the 9.1.0 link
303 [03:10:50] <eck> just replace 9.2.0 with 9.1.0 in the url
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305 [03:11:08] <eck> looks like they jumped the gun a bi
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318 [03:23:33] <random_numbers> So, on Stretch, should I keep using iptables or get started with nftables?
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329 [03:31:29] <nvz> random_numbers: I suppose thats a choice, that only you can decide, but it looks like that may replace iptables and it wouldnt hurt to get out in front of it. See replaced-url
330 [03:32:09] <random_numbers> I see. Are there any convenient programs ala fwbuilder for nftables?
331 [03:32:41] <Synisters> who os do you use?
332 [03:32:56] <random_numbers> Stretch.
333 [03:32:57] <nvz> that I surely don't know I've rarely used firewalls and usually when I do its in a transparent mode merely so I can audit
334 [03:33:40] <random_numbers> Ah, alright. Fwbuilder is a GUI for building rules and then compiling to a given target. It supports pf and iptables, amongst other targets.
335 [03:33:53] <random_numbers> It autogenerates configuration scripts.
336 [03:34:09] <nvz> a firewall is not really all that useful on a decent OS, it only becomes useful for auditing and adjusting settings, they're not the "set it and forget it" security solution people tend to think they are
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338 [03:34:57] <random_numbers> Well, they provide a baseline so that stuff you don't want to act as a server but which may or may not decide to do so from one update to the next won't cause trouble.
339 [03:35:28] <nvz> yeah, they are good for that much, the unexpected/unintented changes
340 [03:35:45] <Synisters> a firewall is only useful on an obsolete system with a user inadequate of protecting their own shit
341 [03:35:47] <random_numbers> For other stuff I'll agree it's more "specific uses-cases" than any sort of general thing.
342 [03:36:04] <random_numbers> Synisters: Nice to know you revise the install scripts of every single package you install.
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344 [03:37:11] <nvz> its not that we look over every line of code so much as I think most of us have learned to closely monitor our machines and know how much resources they use for various tasks and such and we can just feel when something changes, if not see it because we're looking at monitors and logs frequently
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347 [03:37:37] <nvz> you have a valid point though in using it to protect against oversight
348 [03:37:49] <random_numbers> I tend to disable as many daemons as possible for speed purposes, but I could always miss something.
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350 [03:38:28] <Sinisters> we could all miss something though, that's often the devil's advocate of perfectionism
351 [03:38:33] <nvz> yeah I disable most everything when I install/update it.. I'm not hosting here.. so I keep things like transmission, ssh, etc disabled unless needed, and I start em manually
352 [03:39:29] <random_numbers> Sounds reasonable.
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355 [03:39:49] <nvz> hell I thought I got hacked about a week ago when I discovered some suspicious files in /usr/local/bin then realized they were put there by armbian's installer
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357 [03:40:50] <Sinisters> man i always think i'm being hacked
358 [03:40:51] <random_numbers> You might get some use out of apt-file for looking up if some package contains said files.
359 [03:40:56] <Sinisters> overly paranoid all the time
360 [03:41:00] <nvz> I was operating on the knowledge that I know I didnt put em there, and debian's policy wouldnt allow them to be there.. I thought I knew the few armbian-specific portions of my system but turns out I'd over looked this nasty little remote USB thing they put on there
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362 [03:41:18] <nvz> Sinisters: just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you
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365 [03:41:44] <Sinisters> their always out to get us'
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368 [03:42:23] <Synisters> like now this shit is f'd
369 [03:42:25] <nvz> yeah, it would appear so.. and the ways they'll so so, not to mention the /reasons/ for it are astounding
370 [03:42:44] <Synisters> yes indeed
371 [03:43:06] <random_numbers> "It's to protect freedumz"
372 [03:43:21] <Synisters> ha nice
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374 [03:43:47] <nvz> I've taken to encrypting everything, even handwritten shopping lists.. these damn people trying to push an agenda will find a way to use anything against you anymore
375 [03:44:35] <random_numbers> You know, given how facial recognition is horribly easy these days, I doubt that helps all that much.
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377 [03:45:16] <nvz> yeah, we should move this discussion to #debian-offtopic or ##nvz if youre interested in continuing.
378 [03:45:30] <random_numbers> Right for OT
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381 [03:45:43] <Synisters> unless you're using your cell off the grid, then you're always on it, encryption or not, shit's just to easy now
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387 [03:49:20] <floyd_> Hello, world.
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391 [03:51:23] <Synisters> hello floyd
392 [03:51:36] <Synisters> we are not the world, but hello
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428 [04:09:56] <floyd_> ;)
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454 [04:23:49] <floyd_> See you later, guys. Bye!
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469 [04:28:48] <Ellied> Why does Testing have a half-upgraded set of Plasma packages right now? plasma-desktop is at 5.10.5 but tons of packages are still 5.8.7. It seems to have broken my task manager, which doesn't respond to right-clicks.
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473 [04:29:27] <annadane> Ellied, welcome to testing. and you should probably ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net
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478 [04:33:02] <Ellied> hm. alright
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536 [05:15:39] <Laice> hi guys, is this the best place to ask about apt issues for debian?
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539 [05:16:52] <Laice> I'm seeing 503 Quorum weight not reached trying to apt-get update
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542 [05:17:32] <annadane> Laice, if you're on stable, yep
543 [05:17:38] <annadane> !bat
544 [05:17:38] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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546 [05:18:10] <Laice> it's stretch, so I won't bother you
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549 [05:18:34] <Laice> oh stretch is stable
550 [05:18:37] <Laice> derp
551 [05:18:38] <annadane> yep
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553 [05:19:23] <Laice> replaced-url
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556 [05:20:58] <Laice> worth noting this is from the official debian docker image from the repository
557 [05:21:12] <Laice> but normally no problems during build
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559 [05:21:46] <dka> Hey guys
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561 [05:21:55] <dka> I want to upload a file using bash
562 [05:22:00] <dka> So I need to install curl
563 [05:22:08] <dka> when I do apt-get update I have an error
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565 [05:22:17] <dka> 503 Quorum weight not reached
566 [05:22:20] <Laice> I'm sensing a pattern here.
567 [05:22:22] <dka> W: The repository 'replaced-url
568 [05:22:31] <annadane> oh dear.
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570 [05:22:43] <annadane> i quit. i'm joining the slackware support channel.
571 [05:22:47] <Laice> haha
572 [05:23:09] <Laice> I'll assume someone's panicking somewhere and try later, cheers anyway :)
573 [05:23:40] <dka> :)
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576 [05:26:51] <annadane> (i'd answer both of your questions if i actually knew the answer)
577 [05:27:28] <annadane> someone in #debian on oftc has the same problem
578 [05:27:37] <annadane> so i'll assume something recently happened with the mirrors
579 [05:27:40] <annadane> Laice, dka
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581 [05:27:57] <Laice> annadane: I'd imagine this is something to do with the point release and one of the director servers has had a wobbly
582 [05:28:08] <annadane> right
583 [05:28:22] <dka> I managed by using some cache
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586 [05:29:10] <Laice> dka: I'd love to but I thought "Let's clean house!" and cleared all the docker images and now can't rebuild. I'll be messier next time :)
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588 [05:29:24] <Laice> whoami
589 [05:29:28] <Laice> whoops
590 [05:29:42] <annadane> dka, how'd you fix it specifically? i might be able to tell this other perso
591 [05:29:44] <annadane> person
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597 [05:30:19] <KinkyNerd> hi
598 [05:30:20] <dka> annadane, I was building a Docker image and I was at the end clearling the apt cache and sources
599 [05:30:28] <dka> I just commented up that to install curl
600 [05:30:34] <annadane> dka, so just apt autoclean?
601 [05:30:40] <dka> yes
602 [05:30:45] <annadane> okay
603 [05:30:45] <dka> I commented it
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606 [05:31:36] <annadane> dka, by "it" what do you mean specifically
607 [05:31:56] <dka> # # Remove installed deps
608 [05:31:56] <dka> # RUN apt-get remove -y wget build-essential git libtool libdb-dev groff groff-base
609 [05:31:56] <dka> # RUN apt-get autoclean && \
610 [05:31:56] <dka> # rm -rf /var/lib/apt/lists/* && \
611 [05:31:57] <dka> # rm -rf /usr/share/locale/* && \
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614 [05:32:21] <Laice> looks like you're no longer doing any apt operations at all then, hence why the container now starts :)
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616 [05:33:26] <Laice> or builds i should say
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621 [05:40:19] <annadane> Laice, try changing your mirror to a local one replaced-url
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623 [05:40:39] <annadane> dka as well
624 [05:40:47] <annadane> try changing your mirror to a local one replaced-url
625 [05:42:16] <Laice> annadane: Was worried you were going to suggest that :) just started writing the sed command
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630 [05:46:14] <HAMGUCCI|46213> Hello
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642 [05:57:07] <Laice> dka annadane: fixed it. made a fresh sources.list and during the docker build copied it to the containers /etc/apt/sources.list with the UK mirrors. sources.list placed in (assuming the folder with the dockerfile folder is the root) /.config/sources.list and "COPY .config/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list" in the dockerfile. Boom :)
643 [05:57:49] <Laice> generated sources.list with replaced-url
644 [05:58:11] <themill> don't do that....
645 [05:58:33] <themill> !debgen
646 [05:58:33] <dpkg> Websites that generate a <sources.list> for you (like replaced-url
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648 [06:00:01] <Laice> This was the generated: replaced-url
649 [06:00:40] <Laice> I see what you mean with the stable, lesson learned
650 [06:01:02] <themill> using ftp.d.o is also discouraged and the uk mirror does tend to fall over reasonably often
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652 [06:01:35] <Laice> I'm hoping the 503 errors stop on the cdn soon at which point I'll no longer need it
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654 [06:03:43] <Laice> for now atleast the containers running again, i can breathe!
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687 [06:40:51] <rmzelnick> how compatible is systemd with sysV init?
688 [06:41:07] <rmzelnick> can I have systemd and sysV init at the same time?
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690 [06:41:44] <klys> you can't and they're designed incompatibly.
691 [06:42:14] <rmzelnick> Ok, so I suppose I have no other option
692 [06:42:40] <rmzelnick> how do I manage runlevels on systemd?
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695 [06:47:32] <Nawab> hello
696 [06:47:41] <Nawab> i decided to try out opeenbox
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698 [06:47:50] <Nawab> but it opens very slowly
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701 [06:48:23] <Nawab> i hav installed the package,created a .xinitrc and .xsession file with exec openbox-session in it
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705 [06:49:08] <rmzelnick> I have to switch back to systemd
706 [06:49:15] <rmzelnick> I have used 'nosystemd' repositories
707 [06:49:21] <Nawab> but either if i open it with gdm or .xinitrc/.xsession it opens very slowly
708 [06:49:24] <rmzelnick> How do I get rid of it's packages?
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753 [07:55:50] <Vasistha> I installed debian to a usb flash drive (something I have done many times before) but this one will not boot. Before bringing up a grub menu, I get a black screen with blinking cursor bar in the top left, indefinitely
754 [07:56:31] <klys> vasistha, mbr?
755 [07:57:33] <Vasistha> klys: on the prompt- I didn't want to install to my regular HDD MBR because I want to boot the drive elsewhere. So after pressing "no" to the first question, I installed to the flash drive.
756 [07:57:57] <Vasistha> klys: Maybe you're suggesting I need to somehow check mbr of the flash drive for integrity or something?
757 [07:58:13] <klys> vasistha, did you install grub2 to the mbr of the usb flash device?
758 [07:58:17] <Vasistha> klys: yes.
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760 [07:58:45] <klys> vasistha, are you booting from an mbr-capable bios system?
761 [07:58:47] <Vasistha> klys: that is to say - I followed the prompts in the debian installer to do it (which again - I've done numerous times before over years, this is the first time I've seen it not work)
762 [07:59:47] <Vasistha> klys: I think so? I've never knowingly had any other experience. This is a rather old w500 thinkpad laptop
763 [07:59:54] <klys> then yes.
764 [08:00:44] <klys> vasistha, you may need to edit /boot/grub/devices.map
765 [08:01:04] <Vasistha> klys: thanks for the tip, I will try that now!
766 [08:02:18] <Vasistha> klys: I assume you mean on the flash drive. Well, flash drive doesn't even have a devices.map which is kind of odd I think. It does have a grub.cfg
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769 [08:03:51] <Vasistha> The new /boot/grub is not well populated, no fonts/ no i386-pc/ no locale/ no grubenv
770 [08:04:48] <Vasistha> My current system is oldstable / jessie, shall I just copy the same? Or do I need to do some special effort to get newer stretch versions? (I think a lot of this stuff is pretty generic)
771 [08:05:09] <klys> vasistha, then install grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
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773 [08:05:43] <Vasistha> klys: I assume you mean via chroot, onto the flash drive?
774 [08:05:50] <klys> yes
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777 [08:08:50] <Vasistha> klys: grub-pc is already the newest version (2.02~beta3-5).
778 [08:08:54] <Vasistha> ditto for grub-pc-bin
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780 [08:09:18] <klys> vasistha, have you run grub-install to your partition of choice?
781 [08:09:52] <Vasistha> klys: not manually; I thought debian-installer would have done that for me, but I will go ahead and try now
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785 [08:11:00] <Vasistha> klys: do I want something like: grub-install /dev/sdc1
786 [08:11:15] <Vasistha> or maybe without the 1
787 [08:11:19] <klys> vasistha, if you do that, also do install-mbr /dev/sdc
788 [08:11:34] <Vasistha> klys: install-mbr is first I guess?
789 [08:11:41] <klys> yes
790 [08:11:52] <klys> that requres the mbr package
791 [08:14:19] <Vasistha> klys: replaced-url
792 [08:15:25] <klys> vasistha, perhaps you would like to install grub-legacy?
793 [08:15:41] <Vasistha> ...although the good news is that it seems to have inserted the missing directories
794 [08:16:31] <Vasistha> klys: I could do that; since it did put some files in there, do you think it'd be worth a boot attempt?
795 [08:16:35] <klys> vasistha, if you install grub-legacy, you can load grub2 this way: root (hd0,0) kernel /boot/grub/core.img
796 [08:17:04] <Vasistha> (any other loose ends to tie before attempting a boot?)
797 [08:17:42] <klys> you can attempt a boot except at this stage it looks like that won't work for you.
798 [08:17:58] <Vasistha> ...because the grub-install command failed?
799 [08:18:03] <klys> yes
800 [08:18:15] <Vasistha> ok, grub-legacy it is
801 [08:19:37] <klys> it looks like installing grub-legacy will remove grub2. you can copy the files from /boot/grub to a backup now.
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806 [08:20:49] <klys> vasistha, did you want to use grub-legacy exclusively?
807 [08:21:04] <Vasistha> klys: sure, why not. I just want to get this thing booted
808 [08:21:14] <Vasistha> it doesn't matter - anything to get booted, you know
809 [08:21:26] <klys> vasistha, then install to /dev/sdc1 and install-mbr /dev/sdc
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811 [08:21:50] <Vasistha> klys: command to install grub-legacy? I installed via apt, but I'm pretty sure I need to do something
812 [08:21:55] <klys> vasistha, you may need to update the boot menu also
813 [08:22:39] <klys> vasistha, it should have a command called grub-install. if not, let me know and I'll plug the old-fashioned way.
814 [08:23:19] <BenNZ> klys: i would still recommend using grub2
815 [08:23:29] <BenNZ> oops Vasistha i mean
816 [08:23:30] <Vasistha> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
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818 [08:23:38] <klys> bennz, even with that error mesage?
819 [08:23:55] <klys> vasistha, why not?
820 [08:24:11] <Vasistha> good question! That's the error message that came up at the end
821 [08:24:14] <BenNZ> klys: is that partition mounted to copy files to it
822 [08:24:17] <klys> vasistha, /boot/grub/stage1 should be 512 bytes.
823 [08:24:28] <Vasistha> it is
824 [08:25:09] <BenNZ> Vasistha: assuming thats / and you dont have a seperate /boot and / is mounted in /mnt rung grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdc
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826 [08:25:26] <BenNZ> *run
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828 [08:25:51] <Vasistha> BenNZ: I'm running in chroot
829 [08:26:36] <BenNZ> Vasistha: did you bind sys proc dev ?
830 [08:26:48] <Vasistha> yes.
831 [08:28:19] <Vasistha> fwiw here is another paste, from attempting to install grub-legacy on the flash drive. Not sure what to do next - if I should do the install-mbr - because it's not clear if the grub-install was successful at all.
832 [08:28:21] <Vasistha> replaced-url
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834 [08:28:46] <BenNZ> Vasistha: then use grub-install --force /dev/sdc
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836 [08:29:15] <Vasistha> just to be clear - sdc or sdc1 ? and why one or the other?
837 [08:29:52] <klys> vasistha, in this case (grub-legacy), sdc1 is used if it is the active partition and you have an mbr installed.
838 [08:29:53] <BenNZ> Vasistha: sdc would be the mbr of sdc
839 [08:30:25] <BenNZ> Vasistha: you only specify a partition for the boot files if its not /
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841 [08:31:10] <Vasistha> unrecognized option '--force'
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843 [08:31:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok isnt recognized anymore , so did you chroot from an existing os or live media ?
844 [08:32:08] <Vasistha> existing installation of jessie
845 [08:32:51] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok then use that instead of chroot
846 [08:32:57] <klys> would you like the old command? # grub grub> root (hd2,0) grub> install /boot/grub/stage1 (hd2,0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 p
847 [08:33:03] <BenNZ> Vasistha: use the command i posted earlier
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849 [08:34:35] <Vasistha> just to be sure - how to confirm that hd2 is correct? Does it definitely correspond with sdc?
850 [08:34:59] <klys> you should have tab completions on filenames
851 [08:36:37] <Vasistha> I don't have any tab completions on filenames, just getting "Error 15: File not found" if I attempt to tab complete anything
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853 [08:36:54] <klys> oh, then try (hd1,0) and (hd0,0)
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857 [08:38:06] <BenNZ> i wouldnt do that , as they refer to partitions
858 [08:38:20] <klys> bennz, if the file is not found then it won't act
859 [08:38:23] <BenNZ> you want to install grub to the mbr , unless using uefi
860 [08:38:40] <BenNZ> klys: grub goes to the mbr
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862 [08:38:57] <klys> yeah, you can install grub to the mbr, or you can use the mbr package
863 [08:40:01] <BenNZ> klys: but dont install grub to a partition , only the grub files need to go there , which with grub2 is specified with the --root-directory or --boot-directory=
864 [08:40:25] <klys> there isn't a bug which would cause that to not work
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866 [08:40:47] <klys> there was such a bug in grub2, except that has been fixed.
867 [08:40:49] <Vasistha> well, (hd1,0) is my running jessie system; but (hd0,0) and (hd2,0) I can't get any tab completions at all
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869 [08:41:27] <klys> vasistha, just to clarify, you want to install to (hd1,0) or that's the parent of this chroot setup?
870 [08:41:38] <BenNZ> klys: parent chroot
871 [08:41:51] <Vasistha> ^^ correct
872 [08:42:00] <BenNZ> klys: also that wont boot if sdc is selected to boot from in the bios as there is nothing in the mbr
873 [08:42:06] <klys> try (hd3,0), etc.
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875 [08:42:23] <Vasistha> selected disk does not exist
876 [08:42:26] <BenNZ> Vasistha: trust me dont install grub to a partition
877 [08:43:00] <klys> bennz, grub> quit
878 [08:43:11] <klys> vasistha, grub> quit
879 [08:43:14] <klys> imean
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881 [08:43:24] <Vasistha> yeah... not getting anywhere with this either unfortunately :(
882 [08:43:32] <klys> and please upgrade your filesystem to ext3 with tune2fs -j
883 [08:43:46] <Vasistha> er, it's ext4
884 [08:43:49] <klys> also, remember to umount it forst
885 [08:43:50] <BenNZ> Vasistha: if you try embedding grub using blocklist you will get the error about doing so and it wont install
886 [08:43:56] <hiya> Can someone please help me compile a package called mkclean for debian?
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888 [08:44:50] <Vasistha> klys: filesystem is ext4
889 [08:44:51] <klys> vasistha, sorr, this error message was unclear: grub-install: warning: File system `ext2' doesn't support embedding.
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891 [08:45:09] <BenNZ> Vasistha: yes it doesnt
892 [08:45:15] <Vasistha> klys: yeah I thought it was weird too. Maybe it's referring to all ext variants as ext2
893 [08:45:18] <BenNZ> Vasistha: but you want to install grub to the mbr anyway
894 [08:45:31] <klys> vasistha, reinstall grub-pc and grub-pc-bin
895 [08:45:58] <BenNZ> Vasistha: its quite simple , youre getting that error because youre trying to embed grub to a partition that doesnt support embedding , hence the error
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897 [08:46:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: so it makes no sense to embed anyway , you want grub installed to the mbr
898 [08:46:40] <Vasistha> ok, installing via apt, and it's giving me a prompt to automatically install grub.
899 [08:46:47] <BenNZ> Vasistha: also i am assuming legacy bios
900 [08:47:39] <klys> vasistha, do you have another spare usb disk?
901 [08:47:44] <Vasistha> BenNZ: I'll be happy to get it installed anywhere it will run, but so far it doesn't seem like either grub2 or grub-legacy wants to install. Here's the first paste from earlier, dunno if you saw it replaced-url
902 [08:47:58] <Vasistha> klys: yeah probably, but not a nice fast one like this. Why?
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904 [08:48:08] <BenNZ> Vasistha: not surprised
905 [08:48:19] <klys> vasistha, you may need to resize your ext4 partition and make a new boot partition.
906 [08:48:38] <BenNZ> Vasistha: all you need to do is exit the chroot , and install grub from the existing os
907 [08:48:45] <BenNZ> Vasistha: as i said before
908 [08:48:47] <klys> vasistha, or you could just boot grub rescue from a usb disk and load linux that way
909 [08:49:48] <Vasistha> klys: well, why don't I start with the rescue, just because I want to see this system boot some way at all. And after I see it work, then I will do the resize so I don't need the rescue disk
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912 [08:50:19] <Vasistha> BenNZ: pretty sure I tried that before you were contributing?
913 [08:50:43] <klys> vasistha, look at hat bennz is saying as I think "embedding" may be using chroot in the first place.
914 [08:50:53] <klys> what*
915 [08:51:17] <BenNZ> klys: im saying he specified a paritition number as opposed to the mbr
916 [08:51:28] <Vasistha> thanks guys. Trying this
917 [08:51:31] <BenNZ> klys: and in this case the partition doesnt support embedding
918 [08:51:47] <BenNZ> klys: hence the error about the partition not supporting embedding
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920 [08:52:31] <BenNZ> Vasistha: in the existing os where is / mounted also if it exists where is /boot mounted ?
921 [08:52:50] <Vasistha> no longer in chroot
922 [08:52:52] <Vasistha> # grub-install /dev/sdc Installing for i386-pc platform. grub-install: warning: Attempting to install GRUB to a disk with multiple partition labels. This is not supported yet.. grub-install: error: embedding is not possible, but this is required for cross-disk install.
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924 [08:53:47] <Vasistha> BenNZ: ok, I'm in jessie and the flash drive (new stretch install) is mounted at /media/auto,
925 [08:54:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: and what partition is the stretch install
926 [08:54:33] <Vasistha> BenNZ: neither has a separate /boot partition; it's in the root fs
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928 [08:54:41] <Vasistha> BenNZ: /dev/sdc1
929 [08:54:51] <klys> meh, if you have a spare usb thing, try making a 504 MB partition at the beginning of the disk like so: # fdisk -u=cylinders -H 16 -S 63 /dev/sdd Command: n (primary) (1) (1) (1023) (type 6)
930 [08:54:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok , and your not using the chroot anymore
931 [08:55:04] <Vasistha> BenNZ: nope
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933 [08:55:32] <BenNZ> Vasistha: so run this , grub-install --root-directory=/media/auto /dev/sdc
934 [08:55:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: it might not work as you were half way through using grub legacy
935 [08:56:00] <klys> vasistha, if you make that partition then you can install grub4dos, grub-legacy, and/or grub2.
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937 [08:56:16] <BenNZ> Vasistha: you dont need another partition
938 [08:56:17] <Vasistha> BenNZ: giving same errors as that original paste
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941 [08:57:49] <klys> ok, I have concluded that BenNZ was right aout what "embedding" is, and that we need a new partition to make things work correctly.
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943 [08:58:11] <BenNZ> Vasistha: whats the output sudo fdisk -l
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947 [08:58:27] <BenNZ> im guessing you will receive an error about partition being out of order or some such
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952 [09:00:11] <Vasistha> BenNZ: nope. replaced-url
953 [09:00:48] <BenNZ> isnt /dev/sdc1 the exising install ?
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956 [09:01:33] <Vasistha> BenNZ: jessie is on sdb and is where I'm typing right now, and sdc is the flash drive where I have just installed stretch but can't boot.
957 [09:01:52] <klys> vasistha, mount /dev/sdc1 and run df on the mountpoint for me, just to see how long it would take to copy that off
958 [09:02:36] <BenNZ> Vasistha: flash drive you say
959 [09:02:45] <Vasistha> klys: wouldn't be too long, it's a relatively fast usb flash drive. 4G used, 8.6G free
960 [09:02:49] <BenNZ> altho it should still work
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963 [09:03:08] <klys> vasistha, do you have a spare 4 GB somewhere
964 [09:03:16] <Vasistha> BenNZ: it should! I've installed debian to flash drives maybe a dozen times; often with encrypted root
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966 [09:03:30] <Vasistha> klys: yeah
967 [09:03:55] <BenNZ> Vasistha: yeah i have grub2 installed to a s usb aswell
968 [09:03:56] <klys> vasistha, make the partition I outlined earlier after copying off your disk contents.
969 [09:04:17] <Vasistha> one thing to keep in mind, this is a just-installed system, and I could just start from scratch again and reinstall stretch
970 [09:04:43] <klys> vasistha, cp -a os pretty quick I think
971 [09:04:43] <Vasistha> klys: so I assume I should delete the existing partitions on the spare device
972 [09:04:48] <klys> is*
973 [09:05:09] <klys> vasistha, just /dev/sdc1
974 [09:05:22] <Vasistha> BenNZ: ...although last flash install I did was with wheezy I think
975 [09:05:33] <BenNZ> Vasistha: just out of curiosity when you used --force , there was no typo ?
976 [09:05:39] <Vasistha> BenNZ: no, no
977 [09:05:48] <BenNZ> Vasistha: ok its in the man page still
978 [09:06:00] <Vasistha> klys: sorry I'm not quite following.
979 [09:06:26] <klys> vasistha, copy off the contents of your mount to a spare directory with cp -a
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982 [09:07:08] <Vasistha> klys: could I get like a zoom-out on this strategy? Are we creating a new partition on flash-drive-with-stretch-install? Or .. I thought we could try making a recovery grub boot, and booting sideways from that? I think that would be faster to test?
983 [09:07:20] <BenNZ> Vasistha: grub-install --force --removable --boot-directory=/media/AUTO /dev/sdc should work
984 [09:07:33] <BenNZ> sorry root-directory=
985 [09:08:35] <Vasistha> BenNZ: hey hey, "Installation finished. No error reported." - maybe it just required that --removable flag
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990 [09:08:59] <klys> vasistha, sounds like it worked
991 [09:09:34] <Vasistha> yeah, right? I'm gonna go test this thing, and maybe I can bring up irc on my phone in the meantime. I'll be back in a few minutes in either case - perhaps from the new install!!
992 [09:09:54] <Vasistha> thanks guys - back soon!
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1005 [09:15:21] <dtux> I did a dist-upgrade today and when I rebooted, i get dropped on a grub cli. not sure how to fix this, any tips?
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1007 [09:15:53] <nkuttler> dtux: running testing/unstable?
1008 [09:15:58] <BenNZ> dtux: if you can boot live media and reinstall grub , or another os if available
1009 [09:16:06] <hiya> is there a way to get latest handbrake for debian 9?
1010 [09:16:09] <dtux> nkuttler: no, stable
1011 [09:16:10] <hiya> nothing in backports
1012 [09:16:12] <hiya> give me 1.0
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1014 [09:16:25] <klys> dtux, grub> root=(hd0,0) grub> insmod ext4
1015 [09:16:30] <nkuttler> dtux: why did you dist-upgrade?
1016 [09:16:33] <Vasistha> hey benNZ, klys, I got booted! thanks so much for all your help
1017 [09:16:34] <dtux> BenNZ: ive booted into rescue mode from a flash drive
1018 [09:17:01] <dtux> nkuttler: because there was one available
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1020 [09:17:03] <nkuttler> dtux: with stable you shouldn't need to dist-upgrade, unless you upgrade to a new release
1021 [09:17:14] <dtux> klys: what does that do?
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1023 [09:17:55] <klys> dtux, I think grub knows whee it lives, so it should try to find existing modules and load your fs driver
1024 [09:17:59] <BenNZ> dtux: ok mount the / to /mnt and if need be mount /boot to /mnt/boot , then use grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sdx
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1026 [09:18:03] <dtux> nkuttler: oh ya? what exactly is the distinction?
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1030 [09:18:54] <dtux> BenNZ: I have 2 drive in a raid volume, so install to both drives?
1031 [09:18:59] <dtux> drives*
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1033 [09:19:10] <nkuttler> dtux: dist-upgrade handles new package versions. but ok, if you only have stable sources it shouldn't matter
1034 [09:19:16] <BenNZ> dtux: dist-upgrade will install new , remove old packages also will try to resolve conflicts , which can leave the system in an unwanted state
1035 [09:20:02] <BenNZ> dtux: it doesnt actually upgrade the version of debian from one to the next'
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1037 [09:20:39] <dtux> hmmm interesting
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1039 [09:20:51] <nkuttler> dtux: is it a software raid?
1040 [09:21:18] <dtux> nkuttler: yes, i set it up when i installed debian
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1043 [09:22:26] <nkuttler> dtux: your /boot is on the raid as well, right?
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1046 [09:23:18] <dtux> nkuttler: yes
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1048 [09:24:38] <nkuttler> dtux: ok. i have no experience with that. i'd probably try supergrub, which comes with device detection and stuff
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1050 [09:25:24] <nkuttler> !supergrub
1051 [09:25:24] <dpkg> Super Grub Disk and Super Grub2 Disk are forks of <GRUB Legacy> and <GRUB2> respectively, which can be used to repair existing GNU GRUB installations. replaced-url
1052 [09:25:48] <dtux> cool, i'll check it out
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1054 [09:27:01] <nkuttler> dtux: did you upgrade any packages that could be related to the boot process?
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1056 [09:27:30] <nkuttler> dtux: even if, on stable that shouldn't normally make your system unbootable. i wouldn't rule out hardware failure
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1060 [09:28:44] <dtux> nkuttler: yes, linux-image-4.9.0-4-amd64
1061 [09:29:22] <dtux> then i did an autoremove and a reboot
1062 [09:29:47] <nkuttler> dtux: there were no errors in the output during the upgrade?
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1064 [09:30:12] <nkuttler> anyway, see if you can boot with supergrub
1065 [09:30:12] <dtux> nkuttler: nope: replaced-url
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1071 [09:32:53] <COOurb> hi
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1073 [09:33:11] <COOurb> How to make debian installation-usb?
1074 [09:33:21] <COOurb> I've got 3 DVD images
1075 [09:33:30] <COOurb> so I dunno what to do
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1080 [09:35:51] <coruja> replaced-url
1081 [09:36:51] <COOurb> i've got 3 images. Some files repeated
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1103 [09:55:04] <annadane> COOurb, you probably just want the first one, the one that says "1"
1104 [09:55:16] <annadane> you can install the stuff you want afterwards
1105 [09:55:56] <annadane> something like replaced-url
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1107 [09:56:23] <annadane> "Initially, you will only need to download and use the first image of a set (labelled as debian-something-1 to be able to start the Debian installer and set up Debian on your computer. If there are more images available here (labelled debian-something-2, debian-something-3, etc.), they contain the extra packages that can be installed on a Debian system (as mentioned previously). They will not be bootable and are
1108 [09:56:23] <annadane> entirely optional. If you have a fast Internet connection, you're most likely better off installing any desired extra packages directly from the Debian mirrors on the Internet instead of by using these extra images." replaced-url
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1113 [09:58:08] <COOurb> >you can install the stuff you want afterwards
1114 [09:58:11] <COOurb> How?
1115 [09:58:20] <COOurb> I mean, I don't wanna use internet
1116 [09:59:18] <COOurb> Now I use Windows and I don't know how to copy packages for linux.
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1119 [09:59:43] <COOurb> For windows I just make directory "Soft" and just copy all my stuff in it
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1121 [10:00:06] <nic109000> hi people
1122 [10:00:16] <nkuttler> !tell COOurb about apt-zip
1123 [10:00:28] <nic109000> i'm looking for some help with xrandr, the scaling made me nuts all day
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1127 [10:02:45] <TimeTraveler> hi folks
1128 [10:02:50] <nic109000> hi
1129 [10:02:57] <TimeTraveler> im using ossec
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1131 [10:03:34] <TimeTraveler> and i got an email that says rule 1003 triggered syslog message too long and it shows a portion of the message, and its just x01\x01\x01 repeating over and over again
1132 [10:03:41] <TimeTraveler> any idea what that is or means
1133 [10:03:43] <TimeTraveler> ?
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1135 [10:03:52] <nic109000> sorry no idea
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1143 [10:05:15] <annadane> TimeTraveler, should probably ask in #ossec
1144 [10:05:44] <TimeTraveler> yeah
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1146 [10:06:38] <annadane> it's apparently not even in debian according to dpkg
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1150 [10:07:28] <Scorpio> hello
1151 [10:07:45] <nic109000> hi
1152 [10:07:52] <Scorpio> !list
1153 [10:07:52] <dpkg> scorpio: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
1154 [10:08:25] <annadane> nic109000, so essentially you're just trying to change your resolution to something more bearable?
1155 [10:09:05] <nic109000> i want to reduce the resolution without adding a newmode
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1158 [10:09:37] <nic109000> i was able to do it via nvidia propietary drivers back then in another computer
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1162 [10:11:21] <annadane> nic109000, i know very little about xrandr but if you were able to do it with prop. drivers then what you may have is a missing firmware issue, which you can check by dmesg | grep firmware
1163 [10:11:21] <nic109000> played a bit with xrandr --fb, but it doesn't center the resolution
1164 [10:11:31] <annadane> other than that, i'll let the xrandr folks take this one
1165 [10:11:42] <nic109000> where are those folks?
1166 [10:11:54] <annadane> possibly asleep, but in this channel nevertheless
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1168 [10:12:17] <nic109000> okay thanks
1169 [10:12:26] <annadane> you could potentially try asking in a few hours or on debian-user@lists.debian.org
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1198 [10:43:33] <newcoder> Suppose I have install debian 9.1 , then is it possible to downgrade it to debian-8.8?
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1208 [10:48:07] <Rashad> Hello. Sometimes I install packages to test them out or use them briefly. Is there a way to automatically remove packages that haven't been in use for a long time?
1209 [10:48:10] <Rashad> (I am not talking about orphaned packages)
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1211 [10:49:46] <buu> Is it possible for a failing hard disk (in a raid) to cause the system to hard poweroff?
1212 [10:50:06] <buu> Hmm, isn't there a setting somewhere to control what happens on a kernel panic?
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1214 [10:51:03] <annadane> newcoder, no, not really
1215 [10:51:30] <buu> With a fairly default install will a kernel panic cause a hard shutdown?
1216 [10:51:36] <nix64bit> i think i have a memory leak in mozilla thunderbird, is there a way to put a debug trace on it?
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1226 [10:58:34] <iflema> buu: faulty hardware may do it. In the system logs may be a clue.
1227 [10:59:23] <buu> iflema: dmesg?
1228 [10:59:28] <buu> which logs
1229 [10:59:43] <iflema> buu: /var/log
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1231 [11:00:25] <buu> Er, there's like 10 different logs in there
1232 [11:00:35] <iflema> messages?
1233 [11:00:48] <buu> oh ok
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1236 [11:01:50] <iflema> buu: oh... systemd - journalctrl
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1238 [11:03:38] <iflema> buu: with journalctrl you can check logs from a certain time period or since last boot or whatever.
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1241 [11:04:28] <BernhardPosselt> how do i restart the install process again after a failed installation?
1242 [11:04:56] <buu> iflema: oh, neat
1243 [11:04:57] <iflema> not sure how debian handles the logs lately... I havnt looked
1244 [11:05:10] <buu> journalctl sounds easier
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1246 [11:05:26] <iflema> buu: man journalctrl
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1248 [11:05:45] <BernhardPosselt> upgrade failed for opendkim because i didnt save the adjusted config
1249 [11:06:16] <BernhardPosselt> afaik there was some dpkg command
1250 [11:06:19] <BernhardPosselt> dpkg --reconfigure?
1251 [11:06:20] <dpkg> BernhardPosselt: have you tried replaced-url
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1255 [11:08:45] <spacebug^> ehm.. I'm using unattended-upgrades on two computers. They both have the same setup. One computer found a bounch of updates today. The other one who checked later, only found one of the updates. When I manually did apt-get update a few hours later it did fiund the updates.. ?
1256 [11:09:22] <iflema> spacebug^: different mirrors used for download?
1257 [11:09:23] <annadane> no idea, but 9.2 released today and maybe you updated when the mirrors were in transition
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1259 [11:09:48] <iflema> probably mirror... try another or wait
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1261 [11:10:23] <spacebug^> iflema: no, same mirror
1262 [11:10:35] <iflema> spacebug^: maybe 9.2 release
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1264 [11:11:00] <iflema> what order? found heaps then found 1?
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1266 [11:11:18] <iflema> meh
1267 [11:11:21] <annadane> not all mirrors are updated at the same time
1268 [11:11:30] <annadane> but it sounds like everything works fine now
1269 [11:11:33] <iflema> lets say 9.2
1270 [11:11:40] <iflema> next
1271 [11:11:43] <iflema> :D
1272 [11:12:00] <annadane> !next
1273 [11:12:01] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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1276 [11:13:40] <spacebug^> one machine -> replaced-url
1277 [11:13:46] <nix64bit> !why the long face?
1278 [11:14:14] <spacebug^> both machines are in sync timewise and are using the same mirror
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1292 [11:25:51] <E31F2> how do i give user1 full read/write/exec permissions for the home folder of user2 and vice versa?
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1294 [11:29:09] <spacebug^> E31F2: you could put them in the same group, change the group of the home folders to that group and then give that group R/W/X permissions on both folders. Or you could use setfacl command (man setfacl)
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1298 [11:32:29] <E31F2> @spacebug^: thanks!
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1481 [13:53:25] <bs0d> Hello community. Do I need to specify acl in fstab for systems where I wish to enable acl?
1482 [13:53:37] <bs0d> I have found some guides, but I suspect these may be outdated
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1485 [13:54:17] <somiaj> I belive it is alredy enabled, have you tried setfacl?
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1489 [13:55:10] <bs0d> yes, I got command not found response. Then I ran sudo apt-get install acl and installed it. Now I get a message setfacl: Option -m is incomplete
1490 [13:55:13] <somiaj> wiki says any kernel > 2.6.18 has acl, and we are way past that, you may just need to install the acl package.
1491 [13:55:38] <somiaj> does mount -o remount,acl /filesysetm
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1493 [13:56:16] <bs0d> somiaj maybe I am missing a reboot after installing the acl package?
1494 [13:56:20] <bs0d> I didn't think of that
1495 [13:56:50] <somiaj> got that from the wiki, if that works, then yes you'll need to mention acl in fstab.
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1502 [14:00:42] <bs0d> somiaj I am running a command sudo setfacl -dR -m u:replaced-url
1503 [14:00:57] <bs0d> somiaj I did a reboot, so does this mean I need to include acl in fstab?
1504 [14:01:06] <bs0d> or maybe I am missing something else?
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1508 [14:02:52] <somiaj> bs0d: did you try to remount it with the acl option, did it work after the remount?
1509 [14:02:56] <somiaj> I don't use acl so unsure on the details.
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1523 [14:18:41] <buu> if I have an interface, in /etc/network/interfaces configured as 'inet static' with an address/gateway, then set it to 'allow hotplug', will it assume the static address if I plug a cord in?
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1527 [14:19:54] <somiaj> buu: yes, all allow hotplug does it make it so when ifup --allow hotplug interface is run, the options are only applied if the allow-hotplug option is present
1528 [14:20:08] <somiaj> and udev will run that that command when the plug is plugged in.
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1534 [14:22:07] <buu> somiaj: ah, neat
1535 [14:22:51] <buu> somiaj: So my problem is I have two interfaces defined as static with auto set, but only one has a cord plugged in, when I rebooted it managed to set it up so it was routing via the interface without a cord
1536 [14:23:02] <buu> So I switched the one I'm most likely to be using to auto and the other to just hotplug
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1538 [14:24:26] <somiaj> yup, at boot ifup --allow auto is run, brining up only interfaces that allow auto, and auto is an alias for allow auto
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1541 [14:25:25] <somiaj> you can define your own allow cases, but only auto and hotplug are used by the debian system (Afaik)
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1576 [14:51:28] <hkla> hi
1577 [14:52:53] <hkla> i think there once was a bug in apt which allowed packages with wrong hashsums to be installed by modifying the metadata (or something like this), but i am not sure what the current status of it is
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1584 [14:55:43] <somiaj> hkla: have you checked the bug reports?
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1586 [14:56:54] <hkla> will do that, i do not remember the date unfortunately
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1598 [15:03:23] <hkla> maybe it was this one: replaced-url
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1602 [15:04:25] <abrotman> that's a bit different than whaty ou orginally said
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1604 [15:05:25] <hkla> right, i didn't remember it correctly
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1608 [15:06:56] <hkla> anyway, i'd love to be able to have security updates over https - it always fails for some reason. normal updates work most of the time over ftp.de.debian.org.
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1626 [15:19:20] <jasabella> hi
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1636 [15:20:14] <miador> hey
1637 [15:20:32] <miador> how can i install nvidia optimus drivers
1638 [15:20:34] <jasabella> if i dpkg --get-selections > before, install a whole lot of packages, dpkg --get-selections > after, can i diff before after, s/install/deinstall/ to back out the packages i installed?
1639 [15:20:37] <miador> in debian 9
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1725 [15:59:13] <tri0de> hi some weeks back I upgrade to stretch, my machine is old but not more than frozen climbiing, firefox the bad monster -_-, show raw logs for tor package is a bug and systemd a prolific fater alias the pollinizator, i think it is going bad, it is going to Wpre2000... it is only my opinion, i need to say this. :...(
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1748 [16:09:12] <johnkeates> tri0de: i think you need to try again, maybe use English and have a spell- and grammacheck
1749 [16:09:32] <flizzy> Good evening everybody
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1752 [16:10:53] <dvs> morning!
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1754 [16:11:17] <flizzy> When running Debian on my laptop from an USB Stick, the trackpad does not count me tapping on it as a left-click, so I need to use the actual mouse button for it. Is this an issue that has to do with the live-version? (and if it isn't is it something that can be fixed?)
1755 [16:11:58] <johnkeates> no, it's a setting, go to settings and change it
1756 [16:12:07] <johnkeates> it is the default so you'll have to set it again on every live boot
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1758 [16:13:09] <flizzy> But should I decide to install Debian it would save obviously?
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1762 [16:15:21] <johnkeates> yes
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1764 [16:15:59] <tri0de> yes johnkeates my english is bad and ispell must be my friend, but my frustration, I think... is clear
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1769 [16:20:06] <johnkeates> tri0de: not really. the only thing that comes out of your story is that you are trying to use software on hardware that doesn't have the resources for it?
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1779 [16:26:28] <hkla> you can try something like lubuntu on older machines, tri0de
1780 [16:26:43] <hkla> or maybe debian stretch with the lxde desktop (or similiar)
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1783 [16:27:59] <tri0de> it is a long history, 15 years without problems, sure my hardware dosen't have this resources
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1787 [16:29:16] <hkla> lubuntu is very slim, i had an ok surfing experience on a 7 year old machine with 1 GB of RAM
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1789 [16:29:30] <hkla> it should be possible to configure debian stretch in a similiar way
1790 [16:29:59] <hkla> 15 years may be a bit too far back though
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1794 [16:31:33] <flizzy> I do have another question though: What would be the easiest way to get full system encryption on Debian? Does it have the option for it during the setup process?
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1796 [16:32:52] <dontknow> flizzy, yes
1797 [16:32:56] <hkla> it offers luks, which is pretty close
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1799 [16:33:09] <dontknow> it is very easy
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1801 [16:33:12] <flizzy> during regular installation?
1802 [16:33:13] <dontknow> no brainer
1803 [16:33:25] <dontknow> yes
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1805 [16:33:41] <hkla> yes, you just need to tell it to create an encrypted partition
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1808 [16:33:57] <hkla> i think there is a normal option for this
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1811 [16:34:30] <hkla> but do not forget your passphrase, you will be lost then
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1819 [16:35:54] <flizzy> How could I ever forget my passphrase
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1824 [16:36:58] <hkla> if it is long and random it is not too hard
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1826 [16:38:05] <dvs> hkla, 123456 isn't hard. ;-)
1827 [16:38:22] <tri0de> the big bad problem is firefox... I only need to say it, thanks hkla and johnkeates
1828 [16:38:31] <flizzy> What I use is a quote, or piece of a quote, mixed with capital letters and some numbers instead of letters. Has worked well for me so far.
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1830 [16:39:23] <hkla> tri0de i could boost firefox performance by disabling everything that has to do with remembering urls of visited pages
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1834 [16:41:42] <hkla> also, firefox 56.0 seemed to be a bit faster, but that was just my impression
1835 [16:41:57] <apollo13> wait for firefox 57 :)
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1839 [16:42:34] <hkla> are they working on making it faster? i did not really check.
1840 [16:43:05] <hkla> i hated the screenshot tool though
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1844 [16:43:34] <apollo13> love the screenshot tool and firefox 57 is way faster -- could say on par with chrome again
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1847 [16:44:31] <hkla> cool
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1850 [16:46:54] <hkla> the screenshot tool would be ok if it wasn't preinstalled and mozilla didn't have a history of bad data protection & potentially selling user data
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1854 [16:47:56] <apollo13> oO
1855 [16:48:01] <tri0de> I'm thinking in break the piggybank
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1857 [16:49:43] <hkla> apollo13: There were(?) some shady practices connected to the Mozilla Web Of Trust plugin
1858 [16:50:10] <apollo13> hkla: got some links?
1859 [16:50:19] <apollo13> never heard of mozilla web of trust plugin
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1868 [16:54:36] <hkla> replaced-url
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1870 [16:55:03] <hkla> maybe it was not connected directly to mozilla though, sorry if i was wrong
1871 [16:55:17] <DJDan> in vbox osx how do i resize my debian image harddrive?
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1876 [16:56:05] <DJDan> its a vdmx file
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1891 [17:07:15] <apollo13> hkla: yeah I don't think that has anything to do with mozilla
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1921 [17:22:46] <beepboopbeep> test
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1923 [17:25:09] <beepboopbeep> hi i need some help i'm new to linux, trying to install wine but i don't have sudo and when i try install sudo it wants my iso files in media/cdrom but i cant access it at all and it requires installation of nautilus which require the items in that folder
1924 [17:25:15] <beepboopbeep> i'm stuck in a loop
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1929 [17:26:06] <towo`> the cdrom is not needed, if your sources.list contains valid repos
1930 [17:26:21] <towo`> sudo is not needed at all, if you have a propper root account
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1932 [17:26:46] <beepboopbeep> synaptic tells me it needs the files there
1933 [17:26:50] <towo`> and for wine, you need to enable multiarch
1934 [17:26:53] <beepboopbeep> it wont install anything otherwise
1935 [17:27:12] <towo`> comment the cdrom lines in your surces.list
1936 [17:27:19] <towo`> *sources.list
1937 [17:27:34] <beepboopbeep> every guide i looked up on has sudo in the commands
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1940 [17:28:05] <towo`> then you look in the wrong guide
1941 [17:28:17] <towo`> become root with su in terminal
1942 [17:28:47] <towo`> then you can use all commands without sudo in front#
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1944 [17:29:11] <beepboopbeep> how can i fix nautilus?
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1960 [17:39:25] <beepboopbeep> is there active linux help chan?
1961 [17:39:47] <Epakai> no, this is linux free weekend
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1963 [17:40:08] <jelly> beepboopbeep: if you know root password you can open a root shell using "su -" and run stuff there without the sudo prefix
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1965 [17:40:38] <mr__tea> you could try sudo su -
1966 [17:40:39] <mr__tea> hehe
1967 [17:40:42] <jelly> no
1968 [17:40:46] <beepboopbeep> i have password i just don't know how to do anything
1969 [17:41:07] <beepboopbeep> it took me like 6 hours to get wifi alone
1970 [17:41:17] <jelly> so you have lots of things to learn, then
1971 [17:42:01] <mr__tea> learn learn learn
1972 [17:43:09] <beepboopbeep> can you recommend tutorials?
1973 [17:43:31] <beepboopbeep> also how do i install wine then?
1974 [17:43:58] <mr__tea> apt-get install beer
1975 [17:44:02] <mr__tea> euh woops
1976 [17:44:27] <jelly> mr__tea: keep quiet in here, unless you have actual help to offer
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1978 [17:45:10] <jelly> there's #debian-offtopic or ##chat for chat
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1980 [17:45:18] <mr__tea> it was just a little fun dude
1981 [17:45:25] <mr__tea> apt-get install wine
1982 [17:45:30] <beepboopbeep> Package wine64 is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
1983 [17:45:46] <beepboopbeep> E: Unable to locate package wine
1984 [17:46:02] <jelly> beepboopbeep: which debian release?
1985 [17:46:33] <beepboopbeep> latest i guess
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1987 [17:46:43] <beepboopbeep> downloaded the iso yesterday
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1990 [17:46:52] <jelly> beepboopbeep: what does "cat /etc/debian_version" say
1991 [17:47:14] <beepboopbeep> 9.1
1992 [17:47:23] <jelly> right, so debian 9, stretch
1993 [17:47:34] <muse> beepboopbeep, open a terminal, type su -, enter the root pw, type nano /etc/apt/sources.list, put a # in front of the cd line at the top, save it, type apt update, then exit. then synaptic should work
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1995 [17:47:57] <jelly> beepboopbeep: make sure your /etc/apt/sources.list has a full list of repos for stretch. Comment out any cdrom lines
1996 [17:48:01] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
1997 [17:48:02] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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1999 [17:49:28] <beepboopbeep> there is no cd line in there
2000 [17:49:35] <mr__tea> take a copy from the sources.list before editing
2001 [17:49:36] <mr__tea> heh
2002 [17:50:35] <jelly> beepboopbeep: okay then, pastebin the output of: grep -v ^# /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}
2003 [17:50:36] <jelly> !paste
2004 [17:50:37] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2007 [17:52:41] <beepboopbeep> replaced-url
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2010 [17:54:33] <bs0d> Is it possible to recover a deleted directory in ext4 in Debian?
2011 [17:56:02] <jelly> beepboopbeep: see that line starting with "deb cdrom:" in /etc/apt/sources.list? As root, edit that file using nano, put a # character in front of it (commenting it out) and add actual repos for stretch
2012 [17:56:49] <jelly> those that dpkg bot has written above ^^
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2021 [18:02:44] <beepboopbeep> how do i save it again?
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2024 [18:03:33] <tri0de> bs0d: how is it deleted, with rm -rf? :) with rmdir :) ?
2025 [18:03:53] <tri0de> in genome...
2026 [18:04:00] <tri0de> ^gnome
2027 [18:04:46] <bs0d> tdi0de using rm -rf in the command line
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2046 [18:13:01] <coruja> beepboopbeep, ctrl+o to save, ctrl+x to exit (mind the buttons at nano's bottom)
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2056 [18:17:24] <newcoder> Hi, how can I know the name of debian 9.1 dvd?
2057 [18:17:36] <newcoder> I want to add dvdrom as mirror in sources.list
2058 [18:17:38] <beepboopbeep> it does not save
2059 [18:17:59] <tri0de> I think allways the rm command in a irreversible way, interesting question, replaced-url
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2062 [18:18:53] <tri0de> unmount the partition, clone, and inspect it with especialized forensics soft, this is
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2064 [18:20:25] <beepboopbeep> nvm
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2072 [18:22:52] <beepboopbeep> thank you guys installing wine now
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2075 [18:23:47] <beepboopbeep> well i think its installing..
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2083 [18:28:46] <sear> which internet browser should i use?
2084 [18:29:22] <b0xii> icecat
2085 [18:31:24] <sear> i have a browser called "iceweasel->firefox esr"
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2090 [18:32:58] <jelly> sear: that one is fine
2091 [18:33:12] <jelly> gets security updates
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2095 [18:33:50] <sear> can i still get icecat from repositories?
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2099 [18:38:04] <beepboopbeep> what else do i need to install in order to get wine runing?
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2111 [18:44:24] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, well what are you gonna run with wine ?
2112 [18:45:03] <beepboopbeep> 90's tbs \ rts games
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2114 [18:45:32] <Mathisen> winetricks can come in handy then
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2123 [18:52:51] <beepboopbeep> Mathisen: replaced-url
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2131 [18:55:32] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, winetricks should be in debian repo
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2135 [18:55:51] <Mathisen> beepboopbeep, can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
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2138 [18:57:59] <tri0de> I allways have something for run stronhold crusader :) emperor, commandos, submarine t, rtcw, max paine, far cry, portal... but for me wine isn't the form.. :(
2139 [18:58:26] <tri0de> blood2 the chosen
2140 [18:58:29] <tri0de> :)
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2145 [19:00:40] <beepboopbeep> replaced-url
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2148 [19:01:34] <Mathisen> after main add contrib
2149 [19:01:51] <Mathisen> example > deb replaced-url
2150 [19:02:28] <Mathisen> after that " sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade "
2151 [19:02:40] <Mathisen> then try apt install winetricks again
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2164 [19:10:31] <beepboopbeep> same error
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2168 [19:11:51] <beepboopbeep> bbl
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2172 [19:12:57] <Mathisen> this is mine replaced-url
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2197 [19:27:00] <ransur0t> I have encounted an update error with latest point release -- evolution-common wont' install. Paste here: replaced-url
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2200 [19:28:06] <ransur0t> I have since removed the kernel image update (and linux-firmare-amd64) using apt fix ... but haven't found a way to work around the evolution package error ...
2201 [19:28:46] <shtrb> Is there a PowerChute client for debian ? (APC network shutdown)
2202 [19:28:52] <ransur0t> Any tips on how to fix?
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2206 [19:31:19] <ransur0t> Or perhaps an idea as to why the "operation not permitted" error exists in the first place?
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2208 [19:32:14] <shtrb> it's an errno string on a syscall
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2218 [19:34:52] <ransur0t> K, so why the dpkg error processing archive? All other updates installed fine ... and I've never had this issue with an apt dist-upgrade usage before.
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2275 [19:56:40] <jelly> ransur0t: those errors are unusual. Which filesystem type do you have for filesystems where /usr/share/locale/en_AU/LC_MESSAGES/evolution-3.22.mo.dpkg-new and /lib/modules/4.9.0-4-amd64/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla4xxx/qla4xxx.ko.dpkg-new were to be created?
2276 [19:56:51] <nindustries> Hi, I would like to get /var/lib/docker and /home on an encrypted (separate) disk, ideas?
2277 [19:56:57] <jelly> ransur0t: anything in dmesg?
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2295 [20:03:50] <ShayLs> hey
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2298 [20:05:37] <hellyeah> yo
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2318 [20:11:57] <ransur0t> jelly: I'm using LUKS encrypted LVM ext4. I haven't looked at dmesg.
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2322 [20:16:14] <ransur0t> just syslog and bash output
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2324 [20:16:41] <nindustries> Also, I created an encrypted folder with mount -t ecryptfs /opt/cryptdaat /var/lib/docker , but how do I remount it?
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2327 [20:17:12] <gunix> nindustries: that coummand mounts the folder
2328 [20:17:25] <nindustries> gunix: well it goes through the setup all over again
2329 [20:17:51] <gunix> nindustries: sudo mount -o remount,rw /partition/identifier /mount/point
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2331 [20:18:00] <gunix> nindustries: why do you want to encrypt the docker fileS? :D
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2347 [20:22:26] <nindustries> gunix: what is the partition identifier?
2348 [20:22:35] <nindustries> and, I want to encrypt volumes and all
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2350 [20:23:12] <gunix> nindustries: you want or do not want ?
2351 [20:23:20] <nindustries> i do
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2353 [20:23:42] <gunix> nindustries: partition identifier is like /dev/sda or in your case /opt/cryptdaat
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2359 [20:26:53] <nindustries> hmm, 'not mounted or bad option'
2360 [20:27:34] <gunix> nindustries: can you bpaste the output from lsblk, df -h, lvs, vgs, pvs, and cat /proc/mounts ?
2361 [20:27:40] <gunix> that would help a lot
2362 [20:27:53] <gunix> replaced-url
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2365 [20:28:52] <nindustries> will do!
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2367 [20:30:06] <nindustries> gunix: replaced-url
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2369 [20:31:32] <gunix> nindustries: you can't use the remount option on something that is not mounted.
2370 [20:31:38] <nindustries> ehh
2371 [20:31:49] <gunix> what are you trying to achieve?
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2373 [20:31:56] <gunix> how did you create the encrypted folder?
2374 [20:32:12] <nindustries> mount -t ecryptfs $(pwd)/encrypted/ /var/lib/docker/
2375 [20:32:26] <nindustries> well, I want to manually mount the encrypted dir
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2381 [20:34:18] <gunix> that does not create an encrypted folder, that tries to mount $(pwd)/encrypted on top of /var/lib/docker
2382 [20:34:25] <nindustries> ohhh
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2387 [20:35:34] <gunix> nindustries: i think what you are looking for is this: replaced-url
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2395 [20:38:49] <nindustries> brb
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2397 [20:39:22] <nindustries> weird, no ecryptfs-simple
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2417 [20:48:53] <samkod> I ended up having to do a reinstall of debian on my system this weekend. Upon boot I'm seeing a bunch of different messages I never saw before..something doesent seem right, paticularly with the nic, the i915, and the hdaudio messages. I'm wondering if I'm missing firmware or something? replaced-url
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2427 [20:52:25] <ctcx> Someone here has tried Adrive cloud service?
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2430 [20:54:55] <n4dir> ages ago i stored stuff on adrive
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2436 [20:56:54] <tri0de> samkod: but what is the problem, can you use the network? ip a ; and what about lsmod ; it sound?
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2439 [20:57:54] <nic109000> hello people! looking for someone who knows plenty of xrandr, I can't get something very simple to work, maybe it's related to an old kernel or something
2440 [20:57:56] <samkod> no problems but it seems like it now takes a few extra seconds to boot. yes I can use the network. ipv6 is also disabled.
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2444 [20:58:46] <tri0de> what is the old and the new kernel?
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2446 [20:59:08] <Dagger> ...v6 should not be disabled these days
2447 [20:59:17] <nic109000> i'll try to find the post I found with google and i'll tell you
2448 [20:59:23] <Dagger> if it's causing you problems, it's time to fix the problem, not just run away from it
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2476 [21:09:52] <petemc> ~.
2477 [21:09:53] <apt> methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for.
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2487 [21:12:24] <daemoneye> lol apt.
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2490 [21:13:15] <beepboopbeep> Mathisen: here?
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2498 [21:16:45] <McErroneous> replaced-url
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2501 [21:17:45] <McErroneous> .jpg.html
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2508 [21:21:08] <ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
2509 [21:21:34] <ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
2510 [21:21:48] <ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
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2512 [21:22:15] <ctcx> But, does it represent a threat or harm to my file or entire Debian OS as such?
2513 [21:22:21] <ctcx> I used firefox browser...
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2518 [21:23:49] <nindustries> gunix: back!
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2521 [21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:17 < McErroneous> replaced-url
2522 [21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:18 < McErroneous> .jpg.html
2523 [21:24:56] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
2524 [21:24:59] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
2525 [21:25:03] <McErroneous> 21:22 < ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
2526 [21:25:03] *** McErroneous was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
2527 [21:25:20] <ransur0t> jelly: nothing in dmesg using grep pipe, keywords associated with the update failure ...
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2529 [21:25:51] <McErroneous> replaced-url
2530 [21:25:59] <ransur0t> jelly: do you think that Sophos Antivirus could be impacting my system in this strange way>
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2537 [21:26:51] <ctcx> jelly: hello? Who's that Erroneous bot guy?
2538 [21:27:02] * McErroneous
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2543 [21:29:50] <beepboopbeep> hello i'm trying install wine and i don't know how to can someone give a hand?
2544 [21:30:18] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: sudo apt-get install wine
2545 [21:30:30] <McErroneous> replaced-url
2546 [21:30:43] <dsc_> McErroneous: :D
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2549 [21:31:37] <beepboopbeep> already done dsc_ that, still no idea whats going on
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2551 [21:32:14] <ctcx> hello?
2552 [21:33:17] <aedinius> hi
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2554 [21:34:04] <ctcx> jelly: regarding the adrive file issue... someone?
2555 [21:34:25] <beepboopbeep> i'm clicking run wine icon and nothing happenes
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2564 [21:41:10] <gunix> nindustries: did you get it working?
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2566 [21:41:18] <nindustries> not reall
2567 [21:41:23] <nindustries> im looking at gocryptfs now
2568 [21:41:31] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: try typing 'wine' from the terminal
2569 [21:41:41] <dsc_> beepboopbeep: instead of clicking the icon
2570 [21:41:45] <dsc_> you might get more 'feedback'
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2572 [21:45:00] <gunix> nindustries: if you want to encrypt everything, just use lvm ... if you install debian there is an option at the start to encrypt everything. it's really easy
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2574 [21:45:43] <nindustries> Yeah, that's what I normally use. But that isn't possible in my situation right now.. I only have access post-install.
2575 [21:45:51] <nindustries> And I couldn't get debootstrap to work
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2578 [21:46:35] <dsc_> gunix: how hard is it to encrypt a disk once you've already installed debian?
2579 [21:46:50] <dsc_> (installed with everything on one partition)
2580 [21:47:24] <gunix> dsc_: if it's the disk the system is running on, i think it's really hard. some would say not possible, but i saw some incredible things in the linux world
2581 [21:47:47] <gunix> nindustries: are you trying to encrypt a folder on your work laptop? so that your boss doesn't find your data?
2582 [21:47:49] <dsc_> gunix: o_0
2583 [21:47:59] <nindustries> gunix: it's a virtual server
2584 [21:48:12] <digdilem> probably easier to boot to a lovecd and encrypt the host partitions as you wish
2585 [21:48:18] <digdilem> livecd*
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2587 [21:48:35] <nindustries> yeah, not possible.. :/
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2591 [21:49:35] <gunix> nindustries: yes and i am not sure why you want this. the hypervizor can use memory dumps to see what you are running
2592 [21:50:09] <ctcx> I made a test text file with some random text and called it testB, made it with vim. Uploaded it to adrive and tried to preview it in new tab there.
2593 [21:50:14] <ctcx> Result, I was given the window "do you wish to open or download this BIN file?"
2594 [21:50:20] <ctcx> I realized I should have named it testB.txt...
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2601 [21:54:49] <ctcx> ????
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2607 [21:58:27] <ctcx> hello?
2608 [21:58:43] <annadane> ctcx, have some patience
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2612 [22:00:02] <Sveta> ctcx: the 'drive' web server is misconfigured I guess.
2613 [22:02:04] <apollo13> I disagree, offering the download as application/octet-stream makes sense if they cannot determine the type
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2620 [22:05:00] <ctcx> apollo13, Sveta: but, no harm to Debian OS as such or something? I entered web interface on Firefox...
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2623 [22:05:41] <Sveta> ctcx: not your fault.
2624 [22:05:42] <ctcx> Even though Debian can just open the extension-less file just with the text editor...
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2634 [22:09:15] <ctcx> apollo13: ??
2635 [22:09:19] <apollo13> !!
2636 [22:09:19] <dpkg> I'm not your csh prompt!
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2639 [22:10:12] <ctcx> I thought you still had a small answer, sorry
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2644 [22:14:51] <gglasses> Hey guys/gals, to copy an iso image into a usb and make it bootable, is it `cp image.iso sdb` right?
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2647 [22:15:56] <tremon> /dev/sdb
2648 [22:16:16] <tremon> and only after you've triple-checked that /dev/sdb is indeed your usb stick and not some internal harddisk
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2651 [22:17:16] <gglasses> got it tremon
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2656 [22:20:05] <gglasses> one more question, documentation say that make sure the usb stick is unmounted but lsblk only shows it if it is mounted
2657 [22:20:11] <gglasses> any ideas on this?
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2661 [22:21:25] <tremon> grep sdb /proc/mounts
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2663 [22:22:20] <tremon> that's still not a 100% complete answer, because block devices may be opened indirectly through devicemapper (luks, lvm, etc) but that's not usually the case with removable usb sticks
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2666 [22:23:31] <gglasses> so i don't understand, should I have the usb stick mounted or not?
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2668 [22:23:45] <tremon> you should not
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2671 [22:24:22] <tremon> you're going to write to the raw device, and that means the kernel should not get in the way
2672 [22:24:52] <tremon> if you have (parts of) the usb stick mounted, the kernel assumes it has complete control over the disk
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2674 [22:25:52] <tremon> if you write to the disk while the kernel thinks it "owns" it (i.e. it is mounted), one of two things may happen: a) you get filesystem corruption on-disk, or b) the kernel crashes
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2677 [22:26:18] <gglasses> mm that's pretty interesting
2678 [22:26:27] <gglasses> i have tried to install Debian several times in the past
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2682 [22:26:46] <gglasses> and it always give some kind of error on the installation, the thing is that the device is always mounted
2683 [22:27:08] <gglasses> but right now, i got a message from cp saying "cannot create regular file '/dev/sdb'; No Medium Found
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2686 [22:28:17] <tremon> looks like /dev/sdb points to some removable disk drive (like dvd drive, or cardreader) instead of your usb stick
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2688 [22:28:40] <tremon> have you checked dmesg for the device name?
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2690 [22:29:15] <gglasses> yes tremon, "[sdb] Attached SCSI removable disk"
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2692 [22:29:30] <tremon> ok... that's odd then
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2698 [22:30:29] <gglasses> and the output of lsblk I get this sdb as a disk and sdb1 as a part
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2700 [22:30:44] <gglasses> yes it's odd, that's what happens with every usd stick i've tried
2701 [22:30:47] <gglasses> i'm on fedora btw
2702 [22:31:05] <tremon> I'd hope that doesn't make a difference
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2705 [22:31:25] <tremon> I always use dd myself, but I don't see a reason why cp shouldn't work as well
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2707 [22:31:33] <gglasses> how to use dd?
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2710 [22:31:52] <tremon> dd if=image.iso of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
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2712 [22:32:38] <tremon> (the bs=1M only sets a larger blocksize to speed up the transfer, should work fine without it)
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2716 [22:33:40] <gglasses> and i see
2717 [22:33:52] <gglasses> will try that :D
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2719 [22:35:06] <gglasses> dd: failed to open '/dev/sdb': No medium found
2720 [22:35:07] <gglasses> FML
2721 [22:36:05] <tremon> can you paste the output of blkid as well as blkid /dev/sdb*?
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2728 [22:38:35] <gglasses> yes 1 sec
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2731 [22:39:49] <gglasses> actually, both commands output nothing
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2733 [22:40:06] <tremon> did you run them as root?
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2736 [22:41:21] <tremon> (thinking of it, did you run cp or dd as root? -- I would expect a completely different error message if you didn't, but it wouldn't be the first time that redhat has mangled error messages to "improve user-friendliness")
2737 [22:41:49] <gglasses> I ran cp and dd as a root :)
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2739 [22:42:11] <gglasses> here's the output of blkid /dev/sdb*
2740 [22:42:36] <gglasses> \/dev/sdb: PTUUID="07c658e8" PTTYPE="dos"
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2743 [22:42:43] <annadane> if you're on fedora why are you asking for help in #debian...?
2744 [22:42:48] <gglasses> \/dev/sdb1: UUID="7BCC-9829" TYPE="vfat" PARTUUID="07c658e8-01"
2745 [22:42:52] <tremon> try paste.debian.org
2746 [22:42:59] <gglasses> Because it's debian that I want to install
2747 [22:43:08] <tremon> argh paste.debian.net
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2751 [22:43:27] <annadane> right but if you're using cp in fedora it's still a fedora command
2752 [22:43:52] <annadane> i mean, whatever, i won't argue it
2753 [22:44:32] <gglasses> you may have a point there annadane
2754 [22:44:35] <gglasses> tremon replaced-url
2755 [22:44:36] <tremon> that's true, this may be a common issue with fedora. in that case, we won't have the answer but #fedora might
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2757 [22:45:06] <tremon> that last output is weird...
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2760 [22:46:47] <gglasses> I bet :(
2761 [22:46:49] <tremon> it should show all your blockdevices, but either you have none or blkid does something completely different in fedora
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2763 [22:47:05] <gglasses> I asked the question in #fedora
2764 [22:47:25] <gglasses> will see if there's something different but i doubt it
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2766 [22:47:52] <tremon> I mean.. compare your blkid output with mine: replaced-url
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2768 [22:48:16] <random_numbers> What rotates logs in /var/log/apt/ ? I've been meaning to change the lifetime to "forever".
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2771 [22:49:02] <tremon> random_numbers: /etc/logrotate.d/apt
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2773 [22:49:30] <Vasistha> just upgraded jessie -> stretch, and having trouble with audio playback. When I first tested it seemed to work fine, but now no sound at all
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2778 [22:50:28] <gglasses> tremon, someone on #fedora "that sounds like it was ejected, not unmounted", hehe
2779 [22:50:36] <random_numbers> tremon: Thanks
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2781 [22:51:08] <tremon> gglasses: that's exacly what I thought. That's why I asked if it was a dvd drive
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2786 [22:51:46] <tremon> it also doesn't make sense that /dev/sdb would be ejected, but the kernel still knows that /dev/sdb1 exists
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2789 [22:52:42] <tremon> gglasses: what does id -Z show?
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2793 [22:53:32] <gglasses> permission denied
2794 [22:53:37] <gglasses> that's the output
2795 [22:53:39] <tremon> wut...
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2797 [22:53:51] <gglasses> hahaha i feel like a super newbie around here
2798 [22:54:17] <gglasses> i miss the time where laptops came with a dvd reader *sobs
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2801 [22:55:00] <random_numbers> tremon: Right, so, 0 means old files are removed... what's the behavior if it's a negative number or the line isn't there?
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2803 [22:55:14] <Vasistha> gglasses: I miss the time when my laptop's dvd reader worked
2804 [22:55:47] <at0m> can't remember when i last used it
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2808 [22:56:29] <tremon> random_numbers: replaced-url
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2811 [22:57:00] <random_numbers> tremon: Ah yeah, that should lost long enough for the hardware to breakdown before that's reached.
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2815 [22:57:11] <random_numbers> s/lost//
2816 [22:57:12] <tremon> gglasses: this is normally really bad advice, but can you do setenforce 0 and try again?
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2819 [22:57:56] <aLLamox> Hi, I would like to disable a specific user from all the commands.. and give him access to only one linux command which is ls for example, Can I do this in debian? ... restericted shell is not an option.
2820 [22:57:57] <tremon> if a simple id -Z gives permission errors, there is something really wrong with the system and I don't care to debug it
2821 [22:58:08] <aLLamox> please hilight my name for comments.
2822 [22:58:11] <gglasses> but right now it looks like cp is working :D
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2824 [22:58:21] <gglasses> i unmounted the usb (not rejected it)
2825 [22:58:25] <gglasses> and it's cp-ing
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2828 [22:58:42] <tremon> aLLamox: why is restricted shell not an option?
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2833 [23:00:51] <aLLamox> tremon: replaced-url
2834 [23:01:06] <aLLamox> tremon: I'm thinking to change his path variable...
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2837 [23:01:42] <aLLamox> PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games to another path and put the commands I want there, but how can I make it premeneant ..
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2839 [23:02:29] <tremon> setting PATH does not restrict a user in any meaningful way
2840 [23:02:35] <apollo13> is the user logging in via ssh?
2841 [23:03:07] <tremon> I don't care much for that article btw
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2843 [23:03:23] <tremon> it assumes a broken configuration, and then explains why it is broken
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2846 [23:04:23] <aLLamox> tremon: For example if I used restriected shell
2847 [23:04:35] <aLLamox> Then he can write tmux for example or screen and run the command in
2848 [23:04:50] <aLLamox> He can run vim... and write !command and then it will work..
2849 [23:04:55] <tremon> only if the restricted shell has access to those commands
2850 [23:05:08] <tremon> you just said that you only wanted the user to access ls...
2851 [23:05:14] <aLLamox> yes
2852 [23:05:23] <tremon> can you give me an example of command execution via ls?
2853 [23:05:25] <aLLamox> do you have any paper or guide I can read?
2854 [23:06:09] <aLLamox> tremon: I don't understand what do you mean.
2855 [23:06:23] <tremon> not directly... his fundamental premise is correct, but his argument is not against rbash but about configuring it properly
2856 [23:07:15] <tremon> there's tons of *nix programs that have fork() capability of some kind. any of those should not be allowed in rbash
2857 [23:07:44] <apollo13> couldn't one limit the syscall via app-armor or similar?
2858 [23:08:08] <apollo13> ie even in the case that the wrong commands get executed, you'd still couldn't use that
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2862 [23:09:30] <tremon> you can, the question is how to make that easy to configure. my systems rely on sudo's NOEXEC option for example, but even that requires a shitload of exceptions
2863 [23:09:51] <tremon> aLLamox: what's your threat model that you're defending against?
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2865 [23:12:32] <aLLamox> tremon: I don't defend anything... I just would like to change the user PATH to for whatever/xxx/xx and inisde this directory I will add only one command which is ls. So the user will not be able to run any commands but ls
2866 [23:12:48] <apollo13> that is just wrong
2867 [23:12:52] <aLLamox> The problem I'm facing , I can't change it premenentaly
2868 [23:12:57] <apollo13> the user can just type /bin/some_other_command
2869 [23:13:01] <aLLamox> apollo13: Can you tips me
2870 [23:13:12] <aLLamox> correct :(
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2872 [23:13:28] <tremon> aLLamox: which user?
2873 [23:13:30] <aLLamox> so is there is a way to disallow him from bin
2874 [23:13:47] <aLLamox> A specific user who reach my vps via ssh connection
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2876 [23:14:04] <ryouma> chroot
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2879 [23:15:12] <aLLamox> ryouma: Should I google it .. or do you have a nice article you tips.
2880 [23:15:13] <tremon> why is the user accessing your VPS if you don't want him doing anything there?
2881 [23:15:17] <aLLamox> I'm reading about it in google now
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2883 [23:15:36] <aLLamox> :) It's a game.. he will use the vps as proxy... to access a specific file
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2886 [23:16:03] <aLLamox> tremon: replaced-url
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2888 [23:16:15] <tremon> and the user may only check that the file is there, not read its contents?
2889 [23:16:38] <aLLamox> I need the user only to login into the server and use the curl command
2890 [23:16:41] <aLLamox> Nothing else
2891 [23:16:58] <rigel> quick question, when using curly braces on the command line, like with rsync, i can nest them, right?
2892 [23:16:58] * apollo13 would emulate that
2893 [23:17:26] <aLLamox> He doesn't need to read or write or do anything... He will just curl replaced-url
2894 [23:17:26] <apollo13> specify a custom "shell" via command in ssh authorized keys and then just do everything in there
2895 [23:18:05] <tremon> you can read replaced-url
2896 [23:18:07] <aLLamox> apollo13: can u tips with a paper about it.
2897 [23:18:13] <aLLamox> I'm not very familiar with this
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2899 [23:18:23] <aLLamox> Thank you tremon will read it now
2900 [23:18:25] <tremon> specifically, the part about restricting commands
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2902 [23:18:56] <aLLamox> so This is better than chroot?
2903 [23:20:13] <ryouma> rigel: yes
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2905 [23:20:36] <ryouma> rigel: test with echo
2906 [23:20:38] <aLLamox> ziggo.nl :D lol
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2913 [23:26:40] <NEOalquimista> what package should I file a bug for if I'm having problems while typing the decryption password at boot?
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2915 [23:28:15] <tremon> against cryptsetup, I'd guess
2916 [23:28:51] <tremon> if the problem is somewhere else (e.g. plymouth), the cryptsetup maintainer can always reassign the bug
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2920 [23:30:53] <beepboopbeep> where do i find the .wine folder?
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2924 [23:32:37] <aLLamox> tremon:
2925 [23:32:38] <aLLamox> no-X11-forwarding
2926 [23:32:40] <aLLamox> Forbids X11 forwarding when this key is used for authentication. Any X11 forward requests by the client will return an error.
2927 [23:33:06] <aLLamox> Will I be able still to use it as proxy?
2928 [23:33:11] <NEOalquimista> right, thanks
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2931 [23:34:18] <tremon> aLLamox: you're not using ssh as a (network) proxy. you're using it to run a command
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2941 [23:38:51] <aLLamox> No tremon I will use it as proxy as well
2942 [23:38:55] <aLLamox> IF curl didnot work
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2944 [23:39:13] <aLLamox> u can use it as network socks and just open the link from ur proxified pc
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2949 [23:40:36] <tremon> ok, that is controlled by the port-forwarding option, not X11-forwarding
2950 [23:40:36] <beepboopbeep> i cant find it in home/usr/.wine
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2953 [23:41:11] <tremon> beepboopbeep: it is either $WINEPREFIX or ~/.wine
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2956 [23:42:21] <beepboopbeep> it doesn't exist
2957 [23:42:32] <beepboopbeep> i other .folders in there
2958 [23:42:39] <beepboopbeep> i have other
2959 [23:42:41] <tremon> it will be created the first time you run winecfg or wine
2960 [23:42:58] <beepboopbeep> i did run them both not there
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2966 [23:43:57] <tremon> you can try asking in #winehq
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