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0 [00:00:15] <annadane> onlyjoke_, well, what are you using it for? unetbootin isn't recommended for copying iso's
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9 [00:02:13] <onlyjoke_> annadane: i want to make a bootable usb drive
10 [00:02:19] <onlyjoke_> so what you reccomend? annadane
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13 [00:02:33] <annadane> onlyjoke_, you can probably just use cp or dd
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15 [00:03:11] <annadane> onlyjoke_, it'd help if you tell us what specifically you want to make
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21 [00:05:24] <onlyjoke_> annadane: what in cp or dd? I want to install another linux distribution in my laptop alongside with my Debian (I want to make Dual boot), and i've got the ISO file of the Distro. But I dont have any CD Room, so i have to install the OS through Bootable USB drive
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24 [00:07:09] <annadane> onlyjoke_, it depends on the linux distribution in question - there's probably an installation guide on their website - in general you can probably just have the usb unmounted and cp linux.iso /dev/sdx and sync
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29 [00:08:21] <annadane> onlyjoke_, besides, it sounds like what you want is a live linux image
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31 [00:08:48] <annadane> hard to really know when you just say "linux distribution", it could be anything
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33 [00:09:42] <onlyjoke_> it's actually Fedora annadane
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36 [00:10:41] <annadane> onlyjoke_, so i don't know much about fedora but i'm 99% sure you can just do what i said; fedora probably has live images, but look on their website
37 [00:11:17] <onlyjoke_> annadane: alright im gonna do your suggestion first
38 [00:11:22] <onlyjoke_> thanks by the way
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40 [00:11:37] <annadane> you can find your usb with lsblk, don't just type "/dev/sdx"
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42 [00:11:52] <onlyjoke_> okay annadane
43 [00:11:58] <onlyjoke_> thank you
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46 [00:12:56] <annadane> i guess what you can do in theory is repartition your drives but i don't know too much about that either and you run the risk of losing data
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51 [00:15:57] <annadane> my recommendation really ought to work with fedora seeing how mainstream it is
52 [00:16:06] <annadane> if it were "obscure distro x" i might think differently
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55 [00:17:46] <onlyjoke_> annadane: i think its not gonna work, because that only copy the .iso file to my drive not making my drive bootable
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58 [00:18:07] <onlyjoke_> obscure?
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61 [00:19:18] <annadane> onlyjoke_, which is why i said you should have the usb be unmounted first
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63 [00:19:26] <annadane> if you mount it and use cp then yes it will only copy it
64 [00:19:44] <onlyjoke_> annadane: oh I see
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66 [00:19:58] <annadane> onlyjoke_, and i'm saying if you're trying to make a fedora iso then using the standard tools in debian ought to work (but again, disclaimer, i don't know anything about fedora)
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68 [00:20:19] <annadane> and you say you don't have disc space which is why i recommended a live image of fedora if it exists
69 [00:21:03] <onlyjoke_> annadane: Sorry, I didn't mean that I don't have disc space, I am saying that I want to have 2 OS in my laptop
70 [00:21:22] <annadane> oh, "any cd room"
71 [00:21:34] <annadane> right, well, then you can probably just use regular fedora if you have the space
72 [00:21:40] <annadane> apology for the misunderstanding
73 [00:22:01] <onlyjoke_> annadane: No problem XD thanks for helping
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78 [00:23:04] <annadane> that being said, if debian is already installed and you want to install fedora on a seperate partition you'll need to find a way to do that, i'm not sure how that works
79 [00:23:30] <annadane> as opposed to, for example, having a fresh system and installing debian first using the installer and using the installer to create partitions so that fedora can later go on it
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83 [00:25:52] <onlyjoke_> annadane: got it, i have to set a new partition
84 [00:26:16] <annadane> gparted can probably do it but have backups in case it destroys your debian data
85 [00:26:35] <onlyjoke_> annadane: 'just have the usb unmounted and cp linux.iso /dev/sdx and sync" how can I actually sync it?
86 [00:26:44] <annadane> just type "sync"
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88 [00:26:52] <onlyjoke_> I already back it up
89 [00:27:08] <onlyjoke_> annadane: I'm done copying
90 [00:27:15] <onlyjoke_> now im gonna test it
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110 [00:35:14] <nyaomi> i have a static ip set in /etc/network/interfaces; when i boot, my interface has the ip specified there, but i can only ping lan hosts, getting "network is unreachable" with wan hosts; if i "systemctl restart networking.service", i'm given a dhcp ip and can then ping wan hosts; this cycle repeats itself every time i reboot
111 [00:35:18] <nyaomi> any idea what might be going on?
112 [00:35:22] <onlyjoke_> annadane: sorry man, its not working
113 [00:35:30] <onlyjoke_> still boot into my debian
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115 [00:35:57] <annadane> well, it's also possible you have to select the usb manually from the bios
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117 [00:36:30] <onlyjoke_> annadane: I already did
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119 [00:37:00] <annadane> onlyjoke_, well, keep in mind that what i said was only a suggestion, it's possible fedora does things a different way, which is why i said to look on their website for an install guide
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123 [00:38:00] <onlyjoke_> annadane: yes, i really appreciate it, im gonna visit their web now
124 [00:38:33] <annadane> i doubt it because it's fedora and it's mainstream and it's possible it doesn't work for a different reason but this really is getting into the realm of off topic
125 [00:38:50] <annadane> (well, not necessarily off topic, actually)
126 [00:38:59] <annadane> (but yes fedora may do things differently)
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128 [00:41:09] <annadane> onlyjoke_, you can also ask their irc for support
129 [00:41:39] <onlyjoke_> annadane: ok I got it thanks
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381 [03:19:52] <N0Lif3> are official builds of Debian good on Raspberry Pi3 nowadays?
382 [03:20:02] <N0Lif3> Raspbian is disgusting. I hate it
383 [03:20:12] <N0Lif3> it's a bloated mess
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386 [03:20:31] <N0Lif3> and apt-get update doesn't work
387 [03:20:41] <N0Lif3> ~LOVE~ Debian on my laptop
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389 [03:20:43] <N0Lif3> works perfect
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394 [03:22:04] <N0Lif3> I just read a year old forum post that the official ARM build of debian didn't support wifi on a Pi3
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397 [03:23:32] <fidy> Does anyone know of a good tutorial for steam installation on Debian 64-bit?
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402 [03:29:27] <N0Lif3> fidy: a cool little trick too that I've discovered. try installing the Windows version of Steam using Wine alongside your Linux version
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406 [03:30:04] <N0Lif3> when you boot a Windows game in Windows-Steam with Wine, it'll automatically launch the game using Wine. It's like magic
407 [03:30:10] <N0Lif3> and a bunch of games just work
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427 [03:38:12] <fidy> N0Lif3, added the repo, ran update and than install steam still no joy. the icons are there but nothing happens when I click or alt-f2 the command. no error - nothing
428 [03:38:42] <N0Lif3> it takes time, Steam is a huge install
429 [03:38:49] <N0Lif3> it may take a while
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431 [03:39:05] <N0Lif3> it's seriously like 2gigabytes for all the stuff they put in it
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433 [03:39:17] <fidy> The Wine trick sounds cool, i just rebuilt this laptop. Had 32-bit ParrotOS installed and steam 'worked' fine. Because of some limitations I changed it today to 64-bit.
434 [03:39:32] <N0Lif3> it really is.
435 [03:39:50] <annadane> you're using parrot, not debian?
436 [03:40:08] <N0Lif3> he said "had"
437 [03:40:10] <fidy> annadane, I was under the impression Parrot was a Debian distro?
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439 [03:40:24] <annadane> yes, but debian-based distributions aren't supported in this channel
440 [03:40:28] <annadane> !parrot
441 [03:40:28] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
442 [03:40:40] <fidy> so sorry guys
443 [03:40:58] <N0Lif3> well, I mean, if you're using parrot right now then that could be a problem
444 [03:41:33] <fidy> it worked fine on 32-bit, some limitations with games and what not.
445 [03:41:45] <fidy> but I know the issues are random
446 [03:41:49] <N0Lif3> I'm sure most people here will say to use stable Debian, but I'm really liking Debian Stretch which has more recent versions of software.
447 [03:42:06] <tw> replaced-url
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450 [03:43:05] <McErroneous> !annadane
451 [03:43:11] <tw> A little dated, I don't know if fglrx-glx exists anymore.
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468 [03:56:42] <aloo_shu> is there any channel where knowledge and support on debian based didtros, let's say such that use dpkg and debian repos plus some own extras, is conveniently pooled, since evidently both problems and expertise will often overlap?
469 [03:57:15] <aloo_shu> s/didtros/distros
470 [03:57:27] <Fruitcakes> Hey guy if i want to cp a .img file to a block device like /dev/sdc whats the procedure for some reason everytime i do cp file.img /dev/sdc it doesnt work
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473 [03:58:03] <aloo_shu> giving which msg? if any
474 [03:58:15] <Fruitcakes> I use lsblk so i know i have the correct block device
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476 [04:00:24] <aloo_shu> Fruitcake, you cannot copy to a device (wit cp). you can copy to the filesystem *on* the device, for that it must be *mounted*
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478 [04:00:47] <tw> you can totally copy an image like that with gnu coreutils.
479 [04:01:03] <Fruitcakes> So id have to cp to sdc1 ?
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481 [04:01:29] <tw> Fruitcakes: depends on if you want it to go to a partition or to the raw device.
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483 [04:01:57] <Fruitcakes> Tw i want raw device
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488 [04:02:59] <tw> Image file has its own partition table? Like if you kpartx -l your.img it has partitions?
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490 [04:03:22] <Fruitcakes> Tw yes its a raspbian image
491 [04:03:56] <tw> What's the error you're getting?
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494 [04:04:13] <Fruitcakes> Im pretty sure i used cp before to do this but it wont work now
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496 [04:04:24] <Fruitcakes> Tw no error
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499 [04:04:27] <aloo_shu> why cp not dd?
500 [04:04:33] <McErroneous> Hi, there was a software to monitor network-traffic using ncurses....
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502 [04:04:36] <McErroneous> somebody ?
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504 [04:04:50] <Fruitcakes> Just a blank flash drive after running cp img
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518 [04:05:32] <tw> McErroneous: nload, iptraf-ng?
519 [04:05:41] <Fruitcakes> The cp method was easier to remember
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532 [04:05:54] <McErroneous> tw.., AEAH.... right iptraf...
533 [04:05:57] <McErroneous> thx..
534 [04:05:58] <EnchanterTim> iptraf?
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545 [04:06:25] <aloo_shu> Fruitcake do you have a way to make sure the image is ok, not empty?
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547 [04:06:31] <EnchanterTim> replaced-url
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557 [04:06:55] <EnchanterTim> and tcpdump
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563 [04:07:10] <Fruitcakes> Aloo ive re downloaded raspbian image etc no luck
564 [04:07:23] <EnchanterTim> !raspbian
565 [04:07:23] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
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573 [04:07:51] <EnchanterTim> If you wish to know how to copy a debian ISO to a USB flash disk, please consult the install guide for debian
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575 [04:08:01] <Fruitcakes> Ffs im using debian trying to copy a raspbian image to a flash drive
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580 [04:08:05] <EnchanterTim> Try /msg dpkg i-g
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589 [04:08:29] <Fruitcakes> Your so quick to play petty games around here
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593 [04:08:45] <aloo_shu> but I would do dd if=path-to-img of=/dev/correctdevice , Fruitcake
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599 [04:08:49] <EnchanterTim> I'm too quick to point you to a guide that shows you how to put images on a flash disk.
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611 [04:09:18] <EnchanterTim> of course, you need write access to the device.
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618 [04:09:36] <EnchanterTim> cp or dd, either would work.
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620 [04:09:50] <aloo_shu> try dd if=path-to-img of=/dev/correctdevice bs=4M to be potentially faster, Fruitcake
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622 [04:09:56] <Fruitcakes> Aloo shu do i need to include the 4mb part of the typical dd
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628 [04:10:42] <Fruitcakes> Enchanter cp has randomly quit working and idk why
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641 [04:11:14] <aloo_shu> not if you do not mind speed, Fruitcake. dd happens to default to transporting in very small blocks
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653 [04:11:46] <Fruitcakes> Aloo thanks man much appreciated
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657 [04:11:52] <EnchanterTim> apt-get install pv; pv file.iso > /dev/sdX (to see progress)
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717 [04:12:52] <aloo_shu> but given that the image is probably to run off a sd card later and only raspberry freaks will know how it should look, no harm in asking there
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818 [04:21:36] <christianpoveda> Hey hi! I have a question, I just installed the firmware-atheros package and after rebooting I'm still getting some messages saying stuff like "firmware: failed to load ath10k/..." do you guys have any idea why?
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994 [05:34:35] <glitch> Please advise I am trying to install yum with
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998 [05:34:41] <glitch> yum install wget system-config-firewall-tui openssh-clients kernel-devel-2.6.32-358.el6.i686 libcurl-devel ncurses-devel compat-libstdc++-33 screen xterm
999 [05:35:07] <eck> yeah
1000 [05:35:13] <eck> that might work
1001 [05:35:17] <glitch> but I get the error $There are no enabled repos
1002 [05:35:17] <eck> it probably won't though
1003 [05:35:33] <eck> maybe you should use apt
1004 [05:35:39] <glitch> ok
1005 [05:35:50] <glitch> apt-get ?
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1007 [05:36:33] <eck> it's worth a shot
1008 [05:37:03] <eck> and probaby -dev instead of -devel, among other changes
1009 [05:38:10] <glitch> says $ Invalid operation yum
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1013 [05:39:23] <eck> that sounds right to me
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1015 [05:39:53] <eck> i don't think yum is a valid operation
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1020 [05:41:12] <glitch> I suspect your humoring me eck is there a tutorial you'd point me to?
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1030 [05:47:07] <christianpoveda> guys could you give me a hand?
1031 [05:47:25] <annadane> only if you ask your question...
1032 [05:47:45] <christianpoveda> I just installed the firmware-atheros package and after rebooting I'm still getting some messages saying stuff like "firmware: failed to load ath10k/..." do you guys have any idea why?
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1035 [05:47:56] <annadane> eck, just apt install yum
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1042 [05:51:40] <annadane> christian, i actually don't know why that happens
1043 [05:51:48] <annadane> sorry
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1045 [05:52:32] <christianpoveda> :(
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1047 [05:53:57] <glitch> yum was already installed. What I'm trying to do is install cgminer and the tutorial says the for mentioned is required pkgs
1048 [05:54:41] <glitch> here's the link
1049 [05:54:44] <glitch> replaced-url
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1053 [05:55:06] <annadane> glitch, cgminer is already packaged for stretch. just apt install cgminer
1054 [05:55:24] <glitch> I'm on jessie
1055 [05:55:28] <annadane> eck, sorry, wrong highlight
1056 [05:55:34] <annadane> glitch, it's in jessie as well
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1061 [05:59:33] <onlyjoke_> guys I got a problem with booting, sometimes when I shut down my pc or boot it up, it has to wait 1:30 minutes before booted up / shut down
1062 [06:00:16] <onlyjoke_> it gives me text : a start job is running for dev-disk-by-.....
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1065 [06:01:01] <EnchanterTim> onlyjoke_: the start job is usually an fsck, but how are you shutting down?
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1070 [06:04:20] <onlyjoke_> EnchanterTim I use terminal then type sudo poweroff -p
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1157 [07:16:31] <la-o-wai> debian äžæïŒ
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1167 [07:21:16] <annadane> !zh
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1169 [07:21:38] <annadane> la-o-wai, ^
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1171 [07:22:08] <la-o-wai> thx
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1194 [07:36:41] <n-iCe> hi
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1200 [07:38:12] <fishguts> Hi. I am having trouble with alsa. I can't get anything to play. cat /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/status shows RUNNING when I play a wav file with aplay.
1201 [07:38:19] <fishguts> But the file never plays.
1202 [07:38:33] <fishguts> And no sound is made.
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1204 [07:39:04] <fishguts> By sound not playing I mean the aplay tries to play the file but can't get past the first second. mpv displays the same behaviour.
1205 [07:39:16] <annadane> !alsa checklist
1206 [07:39:17] <dpkg> 1) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out & in again) 2) unmute and raise channels w/ alsamixer (also try muting some & toggle jack sense if available) 3) <pulseaudio> or other daemon stopped? 4) speakers on? 5) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? 6) purge any installed <oss4> packages to remove ALSA blacklist. See also <list alsa users>, <alsa firmware>.
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1208 [07:39:45] <la-o-wai> netrace: hi
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1211 [07:41:37] <fishguts> 1. I'm in audio. 2. Tried that. 3. pulseaudio is uninstalled. 4. Yes. 5. No, same thing. 6. There are no oss packages.
1212 [07:41:52] <fishguts> I don't know what you mean about the last bit, "list alsa users".
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1214 [07:42:35] <annadane> commands in parentheses are just things you can also ask dpkg about
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1217 [07:43:30] <fishguts> aplay opens the wav file but can't play it. Like this: replaced-url
1218 [07:43:44] <fishguts> The only package installed with alsa in the name is alsa-utils
1219 [07:44:40] <fishguts> I could have caused/randomly experienced a geniune hardware failure. These NTC Chip computers can be temperamental.
1220 [07:44:59] <fishguts> I also only installed userland pulseaudio stuff before this problem occured. I didn't update the kernel.
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1226 [07:54:53] <la-o-wai> fishguts: maybe get a mp3
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1230 [07:55:55] <fishguts> I've tried an mp3, it does the same thing (using mpv it never plays, says it is playing but stays at 0:00).
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1233 [07:58:12] <fishguts> I've looked at the help forums for the computer (NTC Chip) and there is someone who had the same problem.
1234 [07:58:28] <fishguts> Two solutions are suggested. The first is "used audio mixer program under multimedia, and select controls button, and click all the options on for the soundcard."
1235 [07:58:41] <fishguts> I don't know how to do that from the command line or what it really means though.
1236 [07:58:46] <la-o-wai> so debian cant play mp3 even?
1237 [07:59:12] <fishguts> The other solution is to restore the /var/lib/alsa/asound.state from when the sound was working. I don't have a backup of that however.
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1239 [07:59:30] <fishguts> replaced-url
1240 [08:00:02] <fishguts> Debian can play an mp3.
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1242 [08:00:27] <fishguts> Well, it doesn't seem to have any problem with the mp3 decoding. Just the output to an alsa device.
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1245 [08:01:14] <la-o-wai> knock the loudspeakers
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1247 [08:01:30] <la-o-wai> sometimes works
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1249 [08:02:00] <fishguts> Ha. I don't think the issue is the speakers. The issue is an input/output error on the audio device.
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1252 [08:03:11] <fishguts> I could just wipe out the Chip and write a new filesystem image, but I'd rather figure out what's going on.
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1265 [08:10:59] <aloo_shu> pulseaduio you have, fishguts? right click on speaker symbol should give mixer or controls option, when you are there, you can test device and look around inside pulse generally
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1268 [08:11:46] <fishguts> No I don't have pulseaudio. It was installed when this problem startedd but I've now uninstalled it.
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1270 [08:11:53] <fishguts> This is also a headless computer.
1271 [08:12:34] <aloo_shu> ooof
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1278 [08:16:55] <fishguts> The boot log doesn't seem to show any sound device related errors. Is there somewhere else I should be asking about this sort of problem? It's not strictly Debian related.
1279 [08:17:05] <aloo_shu> fishguts alsamixer you get with alsamixer read up on alsa with man, if you can, a
1280 [08:17:35] <aloo_shu> alsactl i think is the command to control alsa , fishguts
1281 [08:18:08] <aloo_shu> the man page ought to enable you to see if alsa is using the right card
1282 [08:18:24] <aloo_shu> to check, i mean
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1284 [08:18:51] <at0m> "aplay -l" lists audio devices, also /proc/asound/card*
1285 [08:19:19] <at0m> aplay -l lists playback devices, arecord -r the input devices
1286 [08:19:25] <at0m> grr arecord -l
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1290 [08:21:04] <fishguts> Yep. There's only one card. It's outputting to the right card because I can see the state change from closed to RUNNING in /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/sub0/status
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1292 [08:21:12] <at0m> check your permissions, too. is the user in the audio group? did user log out and back in after being added to audio group? if above commands output the right card when ran as root, it's a permissions issue
1293 [08:21:21] <at0m> ok
1294 [08:21:27] <fishguts> Yes the user is in the audio group. I have tried rebooting. Root does not help.
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1307 [08:26:33] <aloo_shu> fishguts you could try your luck in #ardour , it is absolutely not their problem, but there are some audio cracks around
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1309 [08:27:36] <at0m> #alsa, actually
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1316 [08:29:22] <aloo_shu> I have never been in #alsa, #ardour maintain and develop a didital audio workstation and hence have troubleshot lots of werid scenarios. but they can no, it's an ardour support channel, not alsa, that's clear
1317 [08:29:53] <at0m> i know, i'm in #ardour
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1319 [08:30:11] <aloo_shu> omg, I should have known
1320 [08:30:58] <fishguts> Well i've asked in ardour as you've probably seen at0m. I'll ask in alsa also. Thanks.
1321 [08:31:46] <fishguts> I'll also try in the raspberry pi and linux-sunxi channel. Does anyone know of any other embedded device channels?
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1324 [08:33:38] <aloo_shu> is it possible to run dpkg-reconfigure on alsa?
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1326 [08:35:59] <aloo_shu> alsamixer runs in terminal, if you want to rule out muting
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1331 [08:39:18] <fishguts> I have unmuted all the channels.
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1334 [08:39:46] <fishguts> Which package should I reconfigure? "alsa" is not a package. "alsa-utils" returns nothing when reconfigured.
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1336 [08:42:22] <aloo_shu> blank here also, that's why that was a question on my side rather. I am on android device and cannot quickly check on my laptop
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1341 [08:44:08] <fishguts> Sure.
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1404 [09:11:30] <gunix> how do i close gnome3 on debian to have only the server part of it?
1405 [09:11:45] <gunix> i usually reboot and add 3 to linux line in grub and it boots with cli mode.
1406 [09:11:54] <gunix> but i would like to do it without reboot
1407 [09:11:58] <gunix> any ideas?
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1410 [09:12:46] <dionysus69> have problem selecting terminator with alt + tab
1411 [09:12:48] <dionysus69> on gnome
1412 [09:13:01] <dionysus69> what is the problem ? :S it doesnt focus unless I click mouse on it
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1415 [09:13:10] <th0r> gunix, you might try 'init 3'. but that is old info and may not work
1416 [09:13:23] <gunix> th0r: i said without rebooting :D
1417 [09:13:29] <Tybor> gunix: systemctl stop gdm3 ?
1418 [09:13:38] <gunix> Tybor: i wanted to try that out now
1419 [09:13:47] <gunix> Tybor: thank you for confirmation. see you guys!
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1428 [09:17:05] <gunix> nevermind, i ended up rebooting. systemctl stop gdm did not work
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1436 [09:20:29] <Tybor> gunix:have you run it as.root or using Sudoku?
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1473 [09:38:07] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with this? replaced-url
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1486 [09:44:37] <jim> kbob, are you here?
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1510 [09:59:52] <dexta> gm
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1516 [10:01:58] <jim> if someone sees kbob before I do, tell him he probably has a debian package cacher daemon that needs reconfiguring or replacing... I backported sid (3.5) version of apt-cacher-ng to jessie, and now things are working fine: I can apt-get update and everything else
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1523 [10:03:28] <kbob> jim, good, thank you
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1536 [10:11:30] <jim> oh you're here, good
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1541 [10:13:04] <jim> I had to take the cache off the apt-get by editing /etc/apt/apt.conf and commenting the apt-cacher line out, then I could install packages from the net again
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1550 [10:18:31] <kbob> jim, ok
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1553 [10:19:24] <kbob> jim, tomorrow I will try
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1564 [10:21:52] <envirit> hi
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1569 [10:22:31] <envirit> is there any tutorial on how to remotely (through ssh) install fresh system, then ssh to it and remove previous system?
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1582 [10:28:05] <n4dir> the remove system has a free partition ?
1583 [10:28:10] <n4dir> ups: remote
1584 [10:28:51] <envirit> not quite
1585 [10:28:56] <envirit> i have free disk space
1586 [10:29:23] <envirit> where i was planning to install new system with debootstrap, then set up grub so it will boot into new system instead of the previous
1587 [10:29:36] <envirit> but i need it in the form of tutorial, because i have only 1 try
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1589 [10:30:01] <n4dir> uhum. so ssh to the installed system, create a partition, mount it, run debootsrap ?
1590 [10:30:11] <envirit> if i fail then i have no option of reverting to the previous sytem since my vps provider dont provide the option to install fresh os
1591 [10:30:16] <envirit> yes
1592 [10:30:20] <envirit> something like that
1593 [10:30:22] <n4dir> got you. i am not aware of such a tutorial.
1594 [10:30:26] <envirit> damn
1595 [10:30:30] <envirit> thanks anyways
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1599 [10:31:02] <n4dir> sounds like something not too hard, but with only one try ...
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1602 [10:31:55] <n4dir> just leave the old system alone?
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1605 [10:32:29] <envirit> i realised that i have more tries :D, i made snapshot of current ssytem
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1607 [10:32:38] <envirit> in case of failure i can revert that snapshot
1608 [10:32:43] <n4dir> cool. good luck. :-)
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1611 [10:33:16] <envirit> i will use this replaced-url
1612 [10:33:17] <n4dir> still: why not just leave the old system alone? Seems like a safe thing to do
1613 [10:33:30] <envirit> old system is flooded with a lot of the things
1614 [10:33:52] <envirit> its easier to install fresh one than to manually remove every unnecesary package
1615 [10:34:37] <n4dir> yeah. i mean, install debian via debootsrap on the free space, but just let the old system idle around (you can still mount it and use the free space from it, in case you are in need)
1616 [10:35:02] <n4dir> i guess i would prefer your method too, just a weird idea
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1655 [10:54:30] <hexhaxtron> I lost connection to my machine...
1656 [10:54:32] <hexhaxtron> ssh: connect to host thunix.org port 22: No route to host
1657 [10:54:39] <hexhaxtron> What should I do?
1658 [10:54:59] <hexhaxtron> I can reset the machine on the Power button but... is there something else I should do?
1659 [10:55:28] <AndreasLutro> no route to host sounds like a networking issue, rebooting might not help
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1661 [10:55:40] <AndreasLutro> but could also be you screwing up iptables
1662 [10:55:54] <ultimatesec> hey everyone
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1673 [11:02:16] <Iridos> Check network cable ^^
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1684 [11:12:02] <hexhaxtron> How can I know if it's using the proprietary or free-source nvidia drivers?
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1696 [11:22:19] <towo^work> hexhaxtron, if you haven't installed the blob, it's using the free driver
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1698 [11:22:31] <towo^work> hexhaxtron, debian does not ship the blob as default
1699 [11:22:39] <thms_> he following packages will be removed: db4.8-util{u} libev3{u} libjpeg62{u} libjs-mootools{u} libnl1{u} libopendkim1{u} libxml-libxml-perl{u} libxml-namespacesupport-perl{u} libxml-sax-perl{u} libxml-simple-perl{u}
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1702 [11:23:24] <thms_> I can't tell what {u} means... for exmeple libev3 becomes libev4 (squeeze -> wheezy), but there is an upgrade for libjpeg62 (if I do aptitude install libjpeg62 it wants to upgrade it)
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1716 [11:33:57] <thms_> Where can I find what all those letters (u, U, i, ii) of dpkg -l means ? Same goes for aptitude when it shows libjpeg62{u}, I can't find this anywhere
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1719 [11:36:38] <thms_> Erm, dpkg -l | head -3
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1733 [11:44:12] <jolt> thms_: man dpkg-query
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1773 [12:05:13] <tdn> I see messages such as these en my syslog: ntpd[1157]: receive: KoD packet from 77.68.158.228 has inconsistent xmt/org/rec timestamps. Ignoring. <--- Any reason to be concerned, or should I ignore these messages in my log monitoring?
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1791 [12:13:57] <timkofu> hi
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1794 [12:14:06] <timkofu> I have made a package with checkinstall
1795 [12:14:14] <timkofu> but the deb is binary only
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1797 [12:14:21] <timkofu> how can i make a "dev" deb?
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1817 [12:21:59] <timkofu> anyone?
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1820 [12:24:12] <dionysus69> I have env var in /etc/environment without export and it works
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1822 [12:24:20] <dionysus69> is that expected?
1823 [12:24:28] <dionysus69> I am seeing examples online using export
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1836 [12:28:23] <sdx23> timkofu: that's not the intended use of checkinstall, so I guess no.
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1840 [12:30:07] <ebarrett> If i were to stash a qemu image of a fresh debian install before first boot, I could use the image as a template for new VMs and each would get its own unique SSH and SSL keys, right?
1841 [12:30:10] <nix64bit> I am getting a freeze on machine, no error message it just stops working - seems to be related to memory usage but I cant track the error because there isnt one
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1843 [12:30:56] <sdx23> nix64bit: run memtest
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1845 [12:32:09] <nix64bit> its not installed yet let me do that
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1848 [12:32:30] <ebarrett> nix64bit: what kernel?
1849 [12:32:40] <nix64bit> latest
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1851 [12:32:56] <sdx23> ebarrett: i'd guess the keys are generated at installation time (of openssh-server). So no. You could regenerate them though.
1852 [12:33:11] <ebarrett> i know that newer kernels respect `ulimit -d`, so you might be able to limit memory usage if you suspect a process is using too much memory and causing OOM
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1854 [12:33:20] <ebarrett> sdx23: ah, that's a shame
1855 [12:33:25] <ebarrett> but not a disaster
1856 [12:33:37] <ebarrett> i'll test it anyway and get back to you
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1859 [12:34:54] <ebarrett> sdx23: i think you are right though
1860 [12:35:15] <ebarrett> they are likely to be generated by dpkg --configure
1861 [12:35:29] <ebarrett> at package install time
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1863 [12:36:05] <ebarrett> replaced-url
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1868 [12:39:34] <nix64bit> i ran memtester 5 1
1869 [12:39:39] <nix64bit> no errors
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1871 [12:40:17] <nix64bit> Mem: 3083360 1871880 135032 113268 1076448 906132
1872 [12:40:21] <nix64bit> from free
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1892 [12:51:38] <nix64bit> any ideas?
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1901 [12:54:17] <nix64bit> uname -r 4.9.0-3-amd64
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1905 [12:55:36] <nix64bit> ulimit -d unlimited
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1907 [12:56:26] <ebarrett> right, so that allows any process to use as much heap as it likes
1908 [12:57:11] <ebarrett> if you can figure out how to lower the default, a process allocating over this would have its malloc()s fail
1909 [12:57:19] <nix64bit> so i guess i llok for the mem hogs and limit them?
1910 [12:58:24] <dionysus69> libmysqlclient-dev doesnt exist anymore, which package replaced it?
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1912 [12:59:45] <nix64bit> i see so its not that simple
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1915 [13:00:30] <ebarrett> nix64bit: good luck!
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1919 [13:00:50] <nix64bit> I may just get a new machine
1920 [13:00:52] <jolt> dionysus69: well, I think stuff defaults to mariadb now, so libmariadbclient-dev perhaps
1921 [13:01:05] <nix64bit> thanks
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1923 [13:01:08] <dionysus69> omg this mysql mariathing, thanks jolt
1924 [13:01:33] <nix64bit> i thik postgres is the new mysql ;)
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1926 [13:02:04] <jolt> Switched over to mariadb cluster during the summer, so far it looks reallt awesome
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1929 [13:02:46] <dionysus69> nix64bit: I am for postgres, some other team project so I am forced with mysql
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1931 [13:03:18] <qoreQyaS> nix64bit: u ran "memtester 5 1"?
1932 [13:03:25] <nix64bit> I dont have any real prefernces
1933 [13:03:33] <nix64bit> qoreQyaS: what is that?
1934 [13:03:41] <nix64bit> yes i did
1935 [13:03:42] <babilen> nix64bit: That wouldn't really be an automatic transition
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1937 [13:04:03] <qoreQyaS> nix64bit: so u checked 5 megabytes of ram, with 1 run
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1939 [13:04:12] <nix64bit> yes
1940 [13:04:23] <nix64bit> no errors
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1945 [13:05:41] <nix64bit> qoreQyaS: is there a more in depth way of using memtester?
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1947 [13:06:23] <qoreQyaS> afaik running memtest on a running system does not work out well because the memory already in use isnt checked (if it would your system would crash), you should boot some memtester system. second your only checked 5mb of your ram, how much do you have?
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1949 [13:09:02] <nix64bit> 3083360
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1953 [13:09:49] <nix64bit> is there a way to test max
1954 [13:09:58] <qoreQyaS> sorry, it was more a rhetorical question ;)
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1956 [13:10:07] <nix64bit> haha
1957 [13:10:21] <nix64bit> i see that now
1958 [13:10:23] <qoreQyaS> you should download a bootable memtest image, boot that and check the RAM there.
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1960 [13:10:46] <nix64bit> sounds like a lot of work
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1963 [13:11:36] <qoreQyaS> "i've got a girlfriend and things to get done. the linux os sucks"
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1965 [13:12:15] <nix64bit> i actually have a client who wants stuff done
1966 [13:12:29] <qoreQyaS> nix64bit: the RAM which is currently in use by your running system can't be checked.
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1968 [13:12:50] <qoreQyaS> if you want to check the RAM there is no way around that
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1972 [13:13:07] <nix64bit> thanks
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1977 [13:13:46] <qoreQyaS> pleasure, sry for sarcasm
1978 [13:13:52] <nix64bit> i can look in the box and see if the cat didn't take some memory out
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1980 [13:14:04] <nix64bit> np
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1982 [13:14:26] <nix64bit> nope its all there sorry to doubt you cat
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1991 [13:18:01] <ebarrett> sdx23: there's no "ssl host key" to speak of right?
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1994 [13:18:13] <ebarrett> you'd make certs per application
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2021 [13:29:50] <sdx23> ebarrett: yes and no. You can certainly use the same certificate for multiple if you set it up accordingly, but whether that's the way to go depends.
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2161 [14:41:01] <number28> Is there a common error with USB detection on VBOX with debian? I never had this problem in other distros.
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2163 [14:43:55] <thms_> number28, not that I know of.
2164 [14:44:38] <number28> thms_, Ahh okay. I'm in the Vbox channel as well. Just trying to cover all bases i suppose.
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2167 [14:45:20] <thms_> number28, I was gonna say that, belongs more to #vbox than here if USB works on your Debian system :)
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2169 [14:45:34] <number28> thms_, lol, touche!
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2180 [14:49:54] <watom> i got a new default debian on a machine. i can ssh into it fine but i can't use scp to it. i get connection refused
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2182 [14:49:59] <watom> is scp disabled in debian by default?
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2190 [14:52:40] <jelly> watom: no
2191 [14:52:52] <watom> i don't really know
2192 [14:52:56] <watom> maybe am i doing the command bad?
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2194 [14:53:03] <jelly> watom: scp uses the exact same port and protocol as ssh.
2195 [14:53:13] <watom> i can ssh user@host just fine. but scp file user@host not
2196 [14:53:23] <watom> there is a -p port
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2198 [14:53:30] <watom> the first is fine the second is connection refused
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2200 [14:53:37] <jelly> scp file user@host:
2201 [14:53:42] <watom> yeah sorry there is the :
2202 [14:53:48] <watom> or i get you can't copy local to local
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2205 [14:54:17] <jelly> watom: can you pastebin the actual commands, both ssh and scp, and their full output, please
2206 [14:54:18] <jelly> !paste
2207 [14:54:18] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2208 [14:54:22] <watom> sure
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2211 [14:54:42] <jelly> which OS and ssh, scp version on the client side?
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2218 [14:56:42] <d0uglas> Hi, want to move from an old slow hdd to an ssd, think the best move is to use dd to clone it. If I want to use a different filesystem than what's on the current drive, will dd interfere with that when cloning and only lay down the same fs as what's on the current hard disk?
2219 [14:56:48] <watom> jelly replaced-url
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2221 [14:57:12] <watom> i'm on Windows and i use Putty to SSH and PSCP (aka the putty SCP) to SCP
2222 [14:57:42] <watom> the target is localhost since is a Debian in a Virtual Machine. i've got a forward to the local port 6622
2223 [14:57:43] <jelly> watom: localhost is your windows system then, not debian
2224 [14:58:04] <watom> jelly as i mentioned i can SSH into it fine with localhost:6622 by Putty
2225 [14:58:13] <jelly> watom: read about the correct way to provide port to pscp.
2226 [14:58:19] <towo^work> d0uglas, dd is disk dump, so it includes the source fs
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2228 [14:58:52] <towo^work> d0uglas, if you want to change the fs on the target, use rsync
2229 [14:58:54] <d0uglas> shoot... well maybe a full reinstall would do me right. okay, thanks towo
2230 [14:59:00] <watom> the command is fine...
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2232 [14:59:05] <d0uglas> Or rsync!
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2235 [14:59:26] <watom> pscp [options] source [source...] [user@]host:target
2236 [14:59:31] <d0uglas> and after rsynching, getting grub on there, making it bootable...
2237 [14:59:36] <watom> oh my gosh... is P not p
2238 [14:59:38] <watom> really
2239 [14:59:45] <jelly> watom: but you're doing pscp source [options] [user@]host:target
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2241 [15:00:13] <watom> i'm sorry. is -P not -p. >:(
2242 [15:00:25] <watom> i'm not use to case-sensitive in windows
2243 [15:00:50] <babilen> d0uglas: You could even copy the disk with cp (e.g. cp /dev/sda /dev/sdb), but that would also include the filesystem -- dd isn't really needed here
2244 [15:01:08] <babilen> (or wouldn't be if you had wanted to copy everything)
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2247 [15:01:53] <jelly> watom: fwiw it's uppercase -P with openssh scp as well.
2248 [15:01:57] <d0uglas> babilen: gotcha, thank you
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2287 [15:20:45] <Dan39> hi, im using debian wheezy on an embedded arm device. the image from manufacturer i currently have booting into only the initramfs which runs my software fine.
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2289 [15:21:17] <Dan39> small problem im having with that though is on serial/telnet, it goes straight to a busybox shell, no login prompt
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2291 [15:21:58] <Dan39> anyone know if its easy to add a login prompt to that? i do have access to the mounted full debian root once booted
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2298 [15:23:27] <Dan39> i have a shell script that runs on start, i start ssh which has all the logins, i figure there should be something i can run in that start script to change the console to a login prompt
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2339 [15:45:39] <mido> I'm using debian/kde, is there a program that can record how much time I spend on each application (currently focused window)
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2341 [15:46:04] <gpunk> nope
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2348 [15:48:30] <mido> gpunk: what about replaced-url
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2350 [15:48:44] <mido> gpunk: the also list other applications in replaced-url
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2357 [15:52:29] <mido> also found this, not sure what it's worth
2358 [15:52:30] <mido> replaced-url
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2423 [16:25:27] <christianpoveda> Hi People! Could you give me a hand with some firmware trouble?
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2429 [16:27:59] <jelly> christianpoveda: sure,
2430 [16:28:00] <jelly> !ask
2431 [16:28:00] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2432 [16:28:06] <christianpoveda> I just installed the firmware-atheros package and after rebooting I'm still getting some messages saying stuff like "firmware: failed to load ath10k/..." do you guys have any idea why?
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2435 [16:28:49] <jelly> some of those drivers can use optional firmware that can be used but does not have to
2436 [16:28:51] <towo`> christianpoveda, not, if you don't provide the exact message
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2438 [16:29:34] <jelly> christianpoveda: pastebin the whole dmesg output, or as least ~20 lines of context before and after any ath related line
2439 [16:29:38] <jelly> !paste
2440 [16:29:38] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
2441 [16:30:00] <jelly> christianpoveda: also, does your wifi work or not?
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2444 [16:30:38] <christianpoveda> this is it replaced-url
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2447 [16:32:11] <christianpoveda> with context here
2448 [16:32:19] <christianpoveda> replaced-url
2449 [16:33:01] <christianpoveda> and my wifi works but i don't know why i'm still getting this stuf
2450 [16:33:03] <christianpoveda> stuff
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2452 [16:34:04] <jelly> christianpoveda: so the driver loaded some other, more generic firmware, and things work. You can ignore the pci-bus-address specific firmware load attempts
2453 [16:34:24] <jelly> looks about normal for this driver
2454 [16:34:29] <christianpoveda> ok thhen
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2456 [16:35:53] <tw> -2 is usually ENOENT, right?
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2458 [16:35:58] <jelly> the pci-address fw loading is useful when you have multiple wifi cards run by the same driver, eg. in a router
2459 [16:36:02] <tw> Or do they not do that in kernel-land?
2460 [16:36:19] <jelly> it's still pretty much ENOFILE yeah
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2497 [16:53:20] <nnyby> hey, what package in debian is the `man` utility part of?
2498 [16:53:47] <apollo13> dpkg -S `which man`
2499 [16:53:47] <dpkg> There is no record of a `which man` package
2500 [16:54:09] <apollo13> ignore dpkg, that command will work in your shell ;)
2501 [16:54:38] <apollo13> though that assumes you have it installed, if not you can use apt-file search to find it
2502 [16:54:49] <nnyby> thx
2503 [16:54:59] <nnyby> i accidentally uninstalled it apparently
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2506 [16:55:35] <gpunk> man-pages
2507 [16:55:56] <apollo13> man-db ;)
2508 [16:56:00] <gpunk> also
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2510 [16:56:28] <apollo13> shipped twice? how does that work? dpkg-alternatives?
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2523 [17:01:47] <jelly> judd: file bin/man
2524 [17:01:51] <judd> Search for bin/man in stretch/amd64: man-db: usr/bin/man
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2549 [17:12:16] <n4dir> apollo13: i think there are even more manpages in debian (or have benn). posix ones and the funny ones.
2550 [17:12:41] <n4dir> the latter ones obviously being of little use only
2551 [17:12:55] <apollo13> n4dir: man pages yes, but the question was for the man utility itself as far as I understood
2552 [17:12:58] <apollo13> ie the program man
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2568 [17:21:33] <n4dir> apollo13: yeah, it wasn't really useful info. I found it very amusing when i ran into the funny manpages.
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2583 [17:31:01] <zOthix> is there a command to find in which library a specific function is defined at ( m using debian and m talking aboput c functions example inet_aton )
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2610 [17:42:05] <tw> readelf, usually.
2611 [17:42:12] <tw> I usually do a combination of the two.
2612 [17:42:23] <tw> I think there's a LD flag you can set to debug linking.
2613 [17:42:32] <tw> Sorry, combination of readelf + ldd.
2614 [17:42:39] <tw> *debug loading
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2718 [18:34:02] <jelly> ,v nagstamon
2719 [18:34:03] <judd> Package: nagstamon on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.9-1; jessie: 1.0.1-1; jessie-backports: 2.0.1-1~bpo8+1; buster: 2.0.1-5; sid: 2.0.1-5; stretch: 2.0.1-5
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2721 [18:34:10] <eck> zOthix: gdb will show you that
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2724 [18:34:35] <eck> which is very handy if the symbols is defined in multiple libraries
2725 [18:34:43] <eck> because gdb will show you which one is actually being used
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2732 [18:37:40] <Longviewer> Hiya. Debian rules, just installed it on our communial pc for folks here to use, looks really good
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2785 [19:08:28] <saml> i want to figure out how to declare a new package that provides same file as existing package
2786 [19:09:07] <saml> so that apt-get install mypkg will automatically remove existingpkg instead of erroring out due to conflict
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2806 [19:15:37] <olltie> is debian package written in C mostly?
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2810 [19:16:41] <Iridos> saml, that should be "Replaces:" together with "Conflicts". See replaced-url
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2814 [19:18:53] <saml> thanks Iridos
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2816 [19:19:47] <somiaj> olltie: debian packages can be written in any language, the package is a collection of an archive (.ar) and control files
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2821 [19:21:03] <olltie> somiaj: hmmm....but isn't C most conveninent for making one?
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2823 [19:21:17] <somiaj> olltie: but a lot of source is in C, but there are python, ruby, perl, and other packages.
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2825 [19:21:52] <somiaj> olltie: depends on what you mean by most convient, I don't see how writing source in C makes anything more convient.
2826 [19:22:16] <Iridos> The software inside the package is just from one open source project or other… Debian just packages those…
2827 [19:22:32] <olltie> somiaj: got It. I thought making debian package is like dealing with kernel
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2829 [19:22:46] <olltie> somiaj: I'm new to debian XD
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2831 [19:23:06] <somiaj> olltie: no a debian package is the files that are to be installed on the system and a collection of control files that list things like name, version, depends, etc
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2834 [19:23:52] <somiaj> olltie: so some packages, like python packages, maybe easier becaue really you just have to put the files in the correct location in the archive with the control info. Software written in C, the code needs to be compiled into the binaries, that are then the files that are packaged in the package.
2835 [19:24:25] <n4dir> someone writes a program (upstream). he decides in which language to write it. if a debian developer packages it, nothing changes regarding that.
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2842 [19:27:39] <olltie> somiaj: thanks! Where could I find resource to help developing deb pack?
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2844 [19:27:58] <somiaj> !nmg
2845 [19:27:58] <dpkg> The packaging tutorial (replaced-url
2846 [19:28:31] <olltie> dpkg: they all return 502 http error code...
2847 [19:28:31] <dpkg> olltie: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
2848 [19:28:42] <somiaj> oh the tiny lihks aren't working
2849 [19:28:58] <somiaj> just google "debian new maintainer's guide'
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2851 [19:29:56] <olltie> dpkg: I just want little package to make easier api call in debian
2852 [19:29:56] <dpkg> olltie: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?
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2855 [19:31:58] <somiaj> olltie: dpkg is a bot that responts to factoids or keywords
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2858 [19:32:28] <Iridos> they are working
2859 [19:32:42] <n4dir> olltie: you can also install the maintainer guide. package name seems to be maint-guide
2860 [19:32:44] <Iridos> I just looked them up to find a link for the question before
2861 [19:32:58] <Iridos> the () around them are maybe a bit unfortunate, though
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2863 [19:33:28] <n4dir> anyway, here is the full link replaced-url
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2868 [19:35:01] <somiaj> ahh they do work, I didn't check, thanks for the clarification Iridos
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2932 [20:15:21] <saml> I have a new package with Conflicts: libogg0 Provides: libogg0 Replaces: libogg0 but dpkg fails like this replaced-url
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2937 [20:18:56] <im_bad_at_linux> Hey guys, i just
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2939 [20:19:05] <im_bad_at_linux> I think i just fucked up
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2941 [20:19:36] <eck> that's not good
2942 [20:19:39] <im_bad_at_linux> So i tried to move my home folder to a seperate partition
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2944 [20:20:06] <jorb> whats the best way to go about dl'ing a different version of chromium on stable?
2945 [20:20:29] <annadane> dpkg: tell saml about bat
2946 [20:20:40] <im_bad_at_linux> Created a new partition, copied contents of home folder to the partition mounted the partition to home then added the partition to /etc/fstab
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2949 [20:21:08] <im_bad_at_linux> And now i just rebooted, cant login with any DE but i do have access to tty
2950 [20:21:18] <annadane> jorb, how do you mean "different version"? other than the one provided in the repository? chromium probably has a standalone client, and then just don't mix your profiles/config folders
2951 [20:21:30] <eck> so log into the tty and fix it
2952 [20:21:34] <eck> and it's a directory, not a folder
2953 [20:21:57] <Iridos> that's a package he made himself…
2954 [20:22:04] <n4dir> huh? a directory, not a folder?
2955 [20:22:09] <eck> correct
2956 [20:22:14] <im_bad_at_linux> Yes sorry i'm coming from windows since abt 1-2 months so i still keep mixing em up
2957 [20:22:34] <n4dir> you might wanna tell me the difference between a directory and a folder?
2958 [20:22:37] <eck> i would check to see if /home was mounted
2959 [20:22:52] <im_bad_at_linux> It's mounted forgot to say that
2960 [20:23:01] <eck> n4dir: "folder" is terminology introduced by windows, every man page on linux refers to them as directories, as do the system calls
2961 [20:23:20] <im_bad_at_linux> I can acces everything from tty2 in the directory
2962 [20:23:30] <Iridos> judd, versions chromium-browser
2963 [20:23:31] <judd> Package: chromium-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1
2964 [20:23:39] <Iridos> harrump
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2966 [20:23:50] <Iridos> judd, versions chromium
2967 [20:23:51] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; stretch-proposed-updates: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; stretch-security: 61.0.3163.100-1~deb9u1; buster: 61.0.3163.100-2; sid: 61.0.3163.100-2
2968 [20:24:05] <eck> is your home directory writeable by your user
2969 [20:24:12] <im_bad_at_linux> And if i run df -l it shows me that /dev/sda8 is mounted to /home (dev is the new partition)
2970 [20:24:25] <im_bad_at_linux> Sec checking that
2971 [20:24:33] <eck> i bet it's owned by root or something and your login manager is crashing because it can't access the home directory
2972 [20:24:50] <im_bad_at_linux> How do i check that again? Forgot
2973 [20:24:54] <eck> ld -ld ~
2974 [20:24:57] <eck> ls -ld ~
2975 [20:24:59] <im_bad_at_linux> Thx
2976 [20:25:32] <eck> typically that directory would have mode 755 and be owned by your user/group
2977 [20:25:51] <SuperTramp83> I bet what eck bets, ownership issues
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2979 [20:26:34] <im_bad_at_linux> Just chmodded it let's see
2980 [20:27:10] <im_bad_at_linux> Nope i dont think so
2981 [20:27:30] <im_bad_at_linux> I did chmod +rwx /home/user
2982 [20:27:44] <eck> and chown it if ncessary
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2984 [20:28:15] <eck> you're more likely to need to chown it than chmod it
2985 [20:28:27] <n4dir> and with -R
2986 [20:28:42] <SuperTramp83> yeah
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2988 [20:29:11] <im_bad_at_linux> Ok i just tried chown user /home/user
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2990 [20:29:24] <jelly> where's that output of "ls -ld ~user"
2991 [20:29:47] <jorb> annadane: yeah, not sure i need that honestly, i'm not even sure when jessie became oldstable, fug
2992 [20:30:00] <jorb> gues i'm not keeping up with the place!
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2996 [20:30:47] <im_bad_at_linux> Output is 'drwxr-xr-x 34 user root 4096 Oct 6 19:08'
2997 [20:30:54] <n4dir> what might help: which (full) command did you use to copy ? you use a display manager, which one, does it open at all, does it show any error messages? Does the file ~/xsession-errors (or similar) has any info?
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2999 [20:31:17] <n4dir> you could also try to stop the display manager and use startx to get some info.
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3001 [20:32:11] <jelly> im_bad_at_linux: that group ownership is not right; however, you did not show the last word of that line
3002 [20:32:21] <im_bad_at_linux> I did 'sudo cp -r /home /media/mnt'
3003 [20:32:33] <im_bad_at_linux> And i did, it says exactly that
3004 [20:32:43] <im_bad_at_linux> And a point in the end
3005 [20:32:56] <jelly> im_bad_at_linux: should have told cp to preserve permissions with -p
3006 [20:33:09] <im_bad_at_linux> Well crap
3007 [20:33:13] <jelly> or -a which is a convenient shorthand
3008 [20:33:23] <eck> good thing you regularly take backups of your home directory
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3010 [20:33:27] <im_bad_at_linux> Ye i should've known
3011 [20:33:28] <jelly> im_bad_at_linux: do you have the source still present?
3012 [20:33:42] <im_bad_at_linux> I dont think so
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3014 [20:34:06] <jelly> you may have to guess at the ownerships then
3015 [20:34:10] <im_bad_at_linux> Wait it should be
3016 [20:34:14] <jelly> im_bad_at_linux: what does "id -a user" say?
3017 [20:34:24] <im_bad_at_linux> I never deleted contenrs of the /home dir
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3020 [20:35:18] <im_bad_at_linux> Uid, gid and groups are all 1000
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3023 [20:38:07] <im_bad_at_linux> It says exactly: uid=1000(user) gid=1000(user) groups=1000(user),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),33(replaced-url
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3026 [20:38:30] <im_bad_at_linux> And i just typed that on my phone hello artritis
3027 [20:38:37] <n4dir> I think the way to go is to cp again, this time as jelly has pointed out (cp -a).
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3029 [20:39:27] <n4dir> if it was me i would first try to change the group-ownership first, which is now "root", but doing cp again seems to make more sense.
3030 [20:40:03] <im_bad_at_linux> Ok but where could i find the old home directory back?
3031 [20:40:14] <eck> unmount the current one
3032 [20:40:23] <eck> and you'll see the old one
3033 [20:40:38] <eck> of course, in linux world we spell that umount
3034 [20:40:49] <eck> because every letter is sacred
3035 [20:40:56] <im_bad_at_linux> Ye i know :p
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3038 [20:41:19] <im_bad_at_linux> Target is busy
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3040 [20:41:47] <jelly> get out of said directory first, in fact, log off as that user and log on as root
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3042 [20:42:09] <jelly> can't umount if any process is using it as current working directory
3043 [20:42:32] <jelly> cd /
3044 [20:42:34] <n4dir> if you already edited fstab, then the partition which was /home in the past shouldn't be mountet anymore.
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3046 [20:42:52] <im_bad_at_linux> Almost forgot root pwd lol why did i have to make it 2 alineas long
3047 [20:42:55] <n4dir> worth a try anyway
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3049 [20:43:08] <jelly> it sounds as if there was no /home filesystem previously
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3051 [20:43:14] <im_bad_at_linux> Ok its unmounted
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3053 [20:43:40] <im_bad_at_linux> There was just the /home on the same partition as root
3054 [20:43:42] <eck> do you see your old home directory
3055 [20:43:46] <n4dir> my fault, sorry
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3057 [20:43:56] <jelly> mount the new home fs elsewhere, like back at /media/mnt again
3058 [20:43:57] <im_bad_at_linux> Yup found it
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3062 [20:44:07] <im_bad_at_linux> I guess i cp -a this time?
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3064 [20:44:12] <jelly> rsync -Pa /home/ /media/mnt/
3065 [20:44:27] <im_bad_at_linux> Tysm
3066 [20:44:31] <jelly> won't touch files that match already
3067 [20:44:38] <eck> once you get it working, you should consider removing the old copy to save space
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3069 [20:44:59] <eck> make sure it works first though
3070 [20:45:11] <jelly> cp -a is also fine but does not have scrolling output
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3072 [20:46:47] <im_bad_at_linux> And as we all know we love looking at our screen spasming out xD
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3074 [20:47:06] <jelly> doh
3075 [20:47:23] <jelly> what's the point of computers
3076 [20:47:32] <im_bad_at_linux> Btw am i the only one who looks in amazement at the screen every time i do apt full-upgrade?
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3078 [20:48:13] <jelly> the scary man behind you in the dark is equally enthralled
3079 [20:48:15] <n4dir> would make a good screensaver ...
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3081 [20:48:42] <saml> annadane, replaced-url
3082 [20:48:45] <jelly> no use, he hides when you turn around
3083 [20:48:48] <n4dir> im_bad_at_linux: you know the application matrix (which is only lulz). you might like it
3084 [20:49:06] <im_bad_at_linux> Thank you for the help lads
3085 [20:49:36] <n4dir> cmatrix, it seems
3086 [20:49:42] <jelly> im_bad_at_linux: now, when it's finished, "mv /home /home-old" and mkdir /home
3087 [20:49:46] <im_bad_at_linux> And never heard of it, i suppose it's just random numbers appearing on your screen?
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3089 [20:50:03] <im_bad_at_linux> Kk thx for the tip
3090 [20:50:07] <n4dir> yeah, what you find in the movie matrix. just fun, as far i can tell.
3091 [20:50:31] <im_bad_at_linux> Lmao, i'm kinda fed up with matrices these days
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3093 [20:50:53] <n4dir> scares the shit out of folks in the railway :-)
3094 [20:51:03] <im_bad_at_linux> Thats the problem with having loads of maths in school
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3096 [20:51:18] <im_bad_at_linux> And holy crap thats the best idea ever
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3100 [20:52:40] <im_bad_at_linux> Anyone else had this experience where whenever you are using the terminal people just assume you're hacking the governement
3101 [20:52:46] <annadane> !chat
3102 [20:52:46] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3103 [20:53:00] <im_bad_at_linux> Sorry
3104 [20:53:15] <annadane> saml, so you're on ubuntu, not debian
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3107 [20:53:53] <im_bad_at_linux> Yesss its done copying
3108 [20:54:12] <annadane> !ubuntu
3109 [20:54:12] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
3110 [20:54:23] <annadane> saml, best to ask them instead
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3114 [20:55:46] <alex____> in my virtual consoles i cant input acute accent on my greek vowels but no problem in X's pseudoterminals
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3116 [20:57:05] <saml> yeah ubuntu is cray
3117 [20:57:17] <im_bad_at_linux> Tysm for the help jelly, eck and n4dir, it's finally working again now. Such a fun and frustrating learning experience
3118 [20:57:19] <saml> i mean, i'm cray for building bad packages
3119 [20:57:29] <cybrNaut> "aptitude update" ignores a Release.gpg file, then it later complains that the Release is not signed. wtf? replaced-url
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3121 [20:57:52] <cybrNaut> why would aptitude ignore a Release.gpg file in the first place?
3122 [20:58:19] <cybrNaut> if i manually download the Release and Release.gpg, and manually verify, gpg says the sig is good
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3126 [20:58:42] <cybrNaut> 2 different packages have this problem
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3130 [21:00:28] <n4dir> alex____: not sure, just an idea, "dpkg-reconfigure console-data" (and there is a similar thing, close to console-data, but i forgot the exact name, seems console-setup ? )
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3133 [21:01:36] <jelly> !keymap
3134 [21:01:36] <dpkg> Run "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" to change both your default console and X keymap; the setxkbmap utility can be used to adjust keymap settings during X operation. For setting up X keymaps, see xkeycaps, xev and ask me about <multimedia keys>.
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3142 [21:03:32] <cybrNaut> the pwsafe developer cannot figure it out either
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3144 [21:03:47] <cybrNaut> according to him, debian should be verifying the package replaced-url
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3154 [21:07:05] <cybrNaut> lenny didn't have this problem
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3156 [21:07:12] <cybrNaut> i think it was introduced in jessie
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3161 [21:08:02] <jelly> cybrNaut: doesn't Ign there just mean "I have this exact same file already"
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3163 [21:08:23] <cybrNaut> ah, perhaps. That would make sense
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3169 [21:09:10] <cybrNaut> but then it fails to verify, saying "Release is not signed."
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3171 [21:09:29] <cybrNaut> when in fact it is signed. The Release.gpg is the signature
3172 [21:09:50] <jelly> is that repo available for public?
3173 [21:09:57] <cybrNaut> yes
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3177 [21:10:02] <jelly> and what's the deb line if it is?
3178 [21:10:10] <cybrNaut> there are 2 repos it's happening in
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3181 [21:10:18] <cybrNaut> checking
3182 [21:11:06] <cybrNaut> deb replaced-url
3183 [21:11:10] <cybrNaut> that's the gc2latex one
3184 [21:11:23] <cybrNaut> deb replaced-url
3185 [21:11:26] <cybrNaut> that's the pwsafe one
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3187 [21:11:43] <cybrNaut> (note that for pwsafe, I'm installing the "jessie" version on stretch
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3189 [21:12:58] <cybrNaut> i ran this to get the key for gc2latex => apt-key adv --recv-key 0x5145B9CD752C0197
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3191 [21:13:10] <paradoxspiral> Is there a package for this? replaced-url
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3193 [21:13:38] <cybrNaut> and for pwsafe i ran => wget -O - replaced-url
3194 [21:14:27] <cybrNaut> paradoxspiral: i think not.. apt-file comes up empty for me
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3201 [21:17:11] <looo> hi .. am using deepin can ask a q here ?
3202 [21:18:14] <annadane> !deepin
3203 [21:18:14] <dpkg> deepin is a Chinese distribution <based on debian>. It is not supported on #debian. Try their forums at replaced-url
3204 [21:18:18] <annadane> looo, ^
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3206 [21:19:01] <im_bad_at_linux> Do we litterally have a command for every distro?
3207 [21:19:13] <looo> ok .. thanks
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3209 [21:19:34] <annadane> nope
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3211 [21:19:48] <annadane> there was someone in here before using a distro for which there was no command
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3213 [21:20:51] <im_bad_at_linux> Wow
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3222 [21:26:28] <tw> !yocto
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3299 [22:16:53] <altab> hello, I can not install proftpd-basic : replaced-url
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3303 [22:21:43] <jolt> altab: not sure, but is it because of sudo and you are standing in a dir that messes the tmp files up? Is the filesystem mounted read-only? can you become root and do it without sudo (sudo -i)
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3306 [22:22:09] <JordiGH> Is anyone going to try to bump the docker package from stable for its more famous namespace clash?
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3308 [22:22:16] <altab> jolt I can write on the filesystem, it's the main hdd, same error when logged as root
3309 [22:22:18] <JordiGH> Or has that already happened on unstable?
3310 [22:22:37] <JordiGH> Nope, it's still there in unstable.
3311 [22:22:38] <greycat> ,v docker.io
3312 [22:22:39] <judd> Package: docker.io on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 1.6.2~dfsg1-1~bpo8+1; sid: 1.13.1~ds1-2
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3314 [22:22:42] <JordiGH> Never change, Debian.
3315 [22:22:44] <jolt> altab: try apt clean and install it again (so it gets re-downloaded)
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3318 [22:22:57] <JordiGH> greycat: I'm not looking for the famous namespace clash. In fact, I want it to stay out. :P
3319 [22:23:20] <greycat> you seem to be pressing a bunch of keys but not saying anything useful
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3323 [22:23:57] <JordiGH> Questions seldom are useful for those answering them.
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3330 [22:25:49] <mrproper> Is someone running Debian 9 in a VMware Fusion (or Workstation) setup with VMware Tools installed? Preferably you’re also using shared folders. Because I have open-vm-tools installed but HGFS isn’t working.
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3335 [22:26:54] <annadane> "isn't working" is quite vague. please explain in more detail?
3336 [22:27:06] <altab> jolt same error after apt clean, no error when I install rolldice to test
3337 [22:27:19] <mrproper> I do a mount -t vmhgfs … and I get ERror: cannot mount filesystem: No such device
3338 [22:27:37] <jolt> altab: can you create a file in /usr/bin as root?
3339 [22:27:57] <altab> jolt nope
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3341 [22:28:31] <jolt> altab: So is this your computer? Have you changed something, like with chattr +i on /usr/bin?
3342 [22:28:46] <altab> it's my dedicated server, I changed nothing
3343 [22:28:52] <jolt> altab: is /usr/bin on the same filesystem as where you can write other files?
3344 [22:29:09] <altab> yes
3345 [22:29:44] <jolt> altab: so you can't (as root) do touch /usr/bin/foobar ?
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3347 [22:30:29] <altab> jolt permission denied
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3349 [22:30:54] <jolt> altab: have you enable acl? does dmesg complain about errors?
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3351 [22:31:44] <altab> [ 25.928531] grsec: time set by /usr/sbin/ntpdate[ntpdate:437] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0, parent /usr/bin/flock[flock:431] uid/euid:0/0 gid/egid:0/0
3352 [22:31:50] <altab> jolt I didn't enable acl
3353 [22:31:50] <tw> uid0 bypasses ACLs but not security contexts. Check what kind of mount it is, and if you're in a mount namespace.
3354 [22:31:51] <jolt> aha! it's grsec
3355 [22:32:11] <Delf> I'm having issues with mult-seat setup. Just upgraded to Stretch (from Jessie). Cannot seem to get gdm3 to launch login manager on the other screens :(
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3357 [22:32:23] <jolt> If you have grsec enable thats out of my knowledge
3358 [22:32:46] <altab> it's enabled by default, no?
3359 [22:32:46] <jolt> tw: Yeah, sure sounded weird
3360 [22:33:00] <tw> What, grsec? not on debian.
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3365 [22:33:18] <jolt> Haven't heard grsec in a long time
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3370 [22:33:40] <altab> I havn't installed grsec
3371 [22:33:51] <jolt> altab: Well, someone has
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3374 [22:34:03] <hazzy> What is the best way to calibrate a USB touchscreen in debian 9?
3375 [22:34:03] <altab> my server was on Debian8 and I upgraded it a long time ago to Debian9
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3377 [22:34:18] <altab> I'm the only user on this server jolt
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3379 [22:34:55] <jolt> altab: uname -a for me please
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3381 [22:36:13] <hazzy> I have tried using `xinput-calibrator` but it does not do anything
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3383 [22:36:30] <altab> jolt Linux ks3323032.altab.fr 3.14.32-xxxx-grs-ipv6-64 #5 SMP Wed Sep 9 17:24:34 CEST 2015 x86_64 GNU/Linux
3384 [22:36:55] <jolt> altab: Well, then you compiled it in yourself at some point :D
3385 [22:37:04] <altab> jolt it's OVH
3386 [22:37:17] <tw> jolt: more likely kimsufi did it for him.
3387 [22:37:18] <jolt> ah, so it's a shared system?
3388 [22:37:26] <tw> No, that's just how they provision.
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3391 [22:37:46] <tw> the autoinstaller is not actually debian, it's just like debian.
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3394 [22:38:28] <jolt> altab: anyway, you have to find out how to disable grsec temporarily for that package to be installed. I leave that as an exercise for the reader
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3396 [22:39:32] <altab> I BRB
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3399 [22:39:49] <Delf> No one ever uses multi-seat?
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3401 [22:40:14] <hazzy> It seems that the calibrations files are no longer located in '/ect/c11/xorg.conf.d'
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3404 [22:41:32] <hazzy> Any idea were I should put the output from xinput-calibrator??
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3406 [22:41:40] <tw> Delf: Not familiar enough to be of much help, but my understanding was that you use the same login manager and it switches you to a free vt after you log in. So you're only running one login manager that runs users under other VTs.
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3408 [22:42:01] <altab> hi
3409 [22:42:15] <altab> jolt I never had this error before, isn't it weird?
3410 [22:42:49] <jolt> altab: well, I haven't seen it either, so I'm as confused as you
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3414 [22:45:43] <Delf> tw: vt as in virtual terminal? Don't know much about that. But I notice there's a difference in the output of loginctl when I do list-sessions. There's a TTY tab tht wasn't there in jessie
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3421 [22:52:26] <SpikeHeron> altab, do you have any grsec options in your /etc/sysctl.conf?
3422 [22:53:09] <altab> SpikeHeron nope
3423 [22:53:36] <SpikeHeron> altab, do you have the kernel sources?
3424 [22:53:45] <altab> I don't know sorry
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3426 [22:54:16] <SpikeHeron> altab, do you have a directory /usr/src/linux?
3427 [22:54:19] <tw> Delf: mm, I'm wrong about multiseat, ignore me. It does need to instantiate in the other layout.
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3429 [22:54:43] <altab> SpikeHeron there in nothing in /usr/src
3430 [22:54:54] <altab> -in+is
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3433 [22:56:19] <OS-26162> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY Av@L0vesPoppy1
3434 [22:56:27] <altab> gj
3435 [22:56:33] * digdilem slow claps
3436 [22:56:46] <tw> altab: what does `stat -c %d:%i /proc/{self,1}/root/.` show?
3437 [22:56:56] <SpikeHeron> altab, well, the proper way to do grsec is to (1) enable it in the kernel, then (2) override in userland in /etc/sysctl.conf. Since you have neither the sources or sysctl.conf, its going to be difficult to change the default settings.
3438 [22:57:12] <altab> tw 2049:2
3439 [22:57:13] <altab> 2049:2
3440 [22:58:27] <Delf> so… somebody broke my multi-seat on stretch…
3441 [22:58:29] <altab> I started the server in rescue mode and I mounted the filesystem to change the root password few weeks ago, can it comes from this?
3442 [22:58:53] <OS-26162> exit
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3445 [22:59:19] <SpikeHeron> altab, do you have the command 'paxctl'?
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3447 [22:59:35] <altab> SpikeHeron nope
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3454 [23:04:22] <Delf> tw: Thank you for trying :)
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3456 [23:04:34] <Maid-Chan> is there some option I can do to make runnable objects like java jars and shell scripts run when double clicked or at least add a context menu option for it? (running xfce4 and compiz-reloaded)
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3460 [23:05:18] <altab> I think I'll install a new system on my server
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3465 [23:07:20] <tw> Maid-Chan: replaced-url
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3467 [23:08:09] <SpikeHeron> altab, before you do that, you could install the package 'paxctl', then go to replaced-url
3468 [23:08:20] <Maid-Chan> does that work even though ti's for arch not deb?
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3470 [23:09:54] <altab> SpikeHeron ok thanks I installed it
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3474 [23:10:42] <saml> where is documentation on how to provide versioned Provides: field in package control?
3475 [23:10:44] <Maid-Chan> hrm i may just be stupid but that seems all about setting a default application to start and nothing about using the script as it's own application...i suppose with the jars it would be as easy as figuring out how to load jars and having the thing do that automatically.
3476 [23:11:20] <SpikeHeron> altab, what does, as root, 'paxctl -h' say?
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3478 [23:11:59] <altab> SpikeHeron replaced-url
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3483 [23:14:33] <SpikeHeron> altab, excellent. Look at the options, given what you want to do, on the page I linked. I would focus initially on MPROTECT, PAGEEXEC, and RANDEXEC, in that order.
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3486 [23:16:35] <altab> SpikeHeron this will allow me to install proftpd package?
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3493 [23:19:11] <debianuser2017_> it seems odd that a stock debian install on the En-us locale gives you 24 hour time as the default
3494 [23:19:20] <SpikeHeron> altab, can't say, given we're not sure exactly what your kernel settings are. Maybe we can tell from your .config, if you want to post up your /boot/config-xxx
3495 [23:19:22] <hazzy> What is the best way to calibrate a POS touchscreen in Debian9? I have tried `xinput-calibrator` but it does not do anything.
3496 [23:19:28] <debianuser2017_> i'd consider that a bug
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3498 [23:20:03] <altab> SpikeHeron I have no config file in /boot
3499 [23:20:42] <altab> replaced-url
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3503 [23:23:21] <SpikeHeron> altab, do you have a /proc/config.gz?
3504 [23:23:42] <altab> SpikeHeron yes!
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3508 [23:25:00] <altab> is there a way to paste like we can fpaste on fedora?
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3512 [23:26:59] <SpikeHeron> altab, i don't know - i'm not here much.
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3515 [23:28:28] <SpikeHeron> altab, you could just paste the stuff that contains PAX and GRKERNSEC
3516 [23:30:00] <altab> I sent you the file in private, I don't know if there is sensitive data in
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3521 [23:33:01] <SpikeHeron> altab, ok - i'll look through that. also, if you could paste your /etc/os-release, that'd be great. I'm concerned because your /boor dir contains a bzImage, which stock Debian does not use, afaik
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3524 [23:33:47] <altab> SpikeHeron replaced-url
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3527 [23:35:11] <debianuser2017_> replaced-url
3528 [23:35:17] <debianuser2017_> :)
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3531 [23:36:19] <beati> hey guys, is there a way to specify you wanted a 32bit install using the win32-loader? I notice there is an argument line I can add stuff
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3533 [23:38:56] <SpikeHeron> altab, ok, i would try what i was suggesting before and use paxctl to selectively disable MPROTECT, PAGEEXEC, and RANDEXEC, in that order. Do one at a time, and reboot after each change. If one does not work, re-enable it and disable the next, etc.
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3535 [23:39:47] <altab> ok, I disable on which folder?
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3540 [23:41:00] <altab> I'm sorry but I don't really understand how to use paxcl
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3544 [23:44:03] <SpikeHeron> altab, i don't have the man page for paxctl handy, but the command will be something like "paxctl -m <file>" where -m disables MPROTECT.
3545 [23:44:38] <altab> yes, my problem is "which file specify"?
3546 [23:46:01] <altab> because the error when I try to install the proftpd package is "unable to create '/usr/bin/ftpcount.dpkg-new' (while processing './usr/bin/ftpcount'): Permission denied" and the files aren't even created
3547 [23:46:18] <saml> how can I create mylibogg that should replace libogg0 cleanly? I tried Conflicts Provides Replaces. But, I can only install mylibogg with --auto-deconfigure because libsndfile1 depends on libogg0
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3550 [23:47:55] <SpikeHeron> altab, check your /var/log/messages or journalctl for the exact error when trying to install the file. Unless it is disabled, grsec has extremely verbose logging.
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3560 [23:51:08] <altab> SpikeHeron no logs in both of these files
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3563 [23:51:50] <altab> the only error log I have is this one : replaced-url
3564 [23:52:32] <beati> is there a way to specify the architecture you want to install using boot parameters for the debian installer?
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3576 [23:54:38] <SpikeHeron> altab, maybe someone smarter than me can check that error, because "broken pipe" does not look like a grsec error to me, but i could be wrong.
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3581 [23:56:57] <altab> SpikeHeron it's a nightmare for me, I think I'll just install a new system (without OVH craps)
3582 [23:56:58] <Delf> I'm getting systemd-logind: failed to get session: PID 2618 does not belong to any known session
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3584 [23:57:16] <altab> thanks a lot for your time and your help SpikeHeron tw and jolt
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3588 [23:58:09] <SpikeHeron> altab, sorry we couldn't get things worked out!
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3590 [23:58:32] <altab> np!
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