• 0[00:00:03] <annadane> chomwitt, you updated jessie and now there's no sound?
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• 2[00:00:22] <chomwitt> yes.
• 3[00:00:39] <annadane> chomwitt, can you paste to paste.debian.net the update that broke the sound?
• 4[00:00:46] <awal1> sddm - breeze theme if not kde
• 5[00:00:58] <chomwitt> i tried to rollback only pulseaudio (which is a suspect) but it will remove hundred of packages!!
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• 7[00:01:11] <chomwitt> annadane: one moment
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• 12[00:03:53] <chomwitt> replaced-url
• 13[00:04:08] <crimsonmane> I've installed nodm and rebooted. I am presented with the normal console login instead of an automatic graphic environment (it is supposed to auto-login). I suspect I need to press CTRL ALT F7 or something, which I can't do because it's in virtualbox.
• 14[00:04:08] <chomwitt> replaced-url
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• 16[00:05:19] <johnkeates> nodm = not any dm? that means you get no dm and no graphics right?
• 17[00:05:33] <annadane> a quick ctrl f for pulseaudio gives gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio as the only entry
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• 19[00:05:52] <dvs> ,i nodm
• 20[00:05:53] <judd> Package nodm (misc, extra) in stretch/amd64: automatic display manager. Version: 0.13-1.3; Size: 44.5k; Installed: 117k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 21[00:06:11] <crimsonmane> nodm is for single-user, kiosk-like.
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• 24[00:07:18] <annadane> chomwitt, was there any rebooting done?
• 25[00:07:34] <chomwitt> annadane: yes
• 26[00:07:50] <annadane> and then i guess only after the reboot there was no sound?
• 27[00:08:02] <chomwitt> i'think so . yes
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• 30[00:09:21] <awal1> extra configuration is required for nodm to work correctly
• 31[00:09:31] <chomwitt> well it could be the radeon libre driver because there is an HDMI sound profile in kde's sound settings, although i dont remember if it was enabled
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• 35[00:10:51] <crimsonmane> same result with xdm as nodm
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• 41[00:12:03] <awal1> nodm = autologin/no login prompt
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• 43[00:12:25] <awal1> xdm in a standard DM
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• 47[00:12:59] <dvs> crimsonmane, did you remove nodm?
• 48[00:13:10] <chipdalf> hello and good evening. i am using debian stable with kde plasma, but i have a problem: if i click on the usb-widget for example, the window with the devices does not open. If i reboot the system it opens, but if my computer is gone to hibernate and i wake it up, then mostly i cannot open the device window. anyone knows a workaround or would it be better to ask at the kde-channel?
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• 51[00:14:38] <annadane> chipdalf, i think that's probably more of a kde question but you may also get an answer in the meantime that you're asking in there
• 52[00:15:09] <crimsonmane> dvs: of course
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• 54[00:15:18] <annadane> you can probably try asking there as well, in other words
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• 60[00:16:12] <chomwitt> annadane: i'm considering following the procedure presented in replaced-url
• 61[00:16:23] <chomwitt> !rollback
• 62[00:17:11] <annadane> i wonder if apt pinning might solve your issue
• 63[00:17:16] <annadane> i don't know that much about it
• 64[00:17:25] <crimsonmane> lightdm worked
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• 68[00:19:50] <annadane> bah, there i go answering questions i don't know the answer to, i'm sure someone does
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• 81[00:27:01] <annadane> ah i see the tutorial mentions that
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• 113[00:48:34] <rigel> so i am on stretch, and keep having trouble with UPnP. it doesnt throw the same error as in bug #816771, but it also is not working and instead the search is timing out
• 114[00:48:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 118[00:49:22] <rigel> yes, i have the same functional problem as in the bug listed there, and am using the version ( -1.2) in which the bug was supposedly fixed
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• 122[00:51:13] <pennTeller> Hi guys I have a directory full of txt files where each contains the base64 version of a jpeg... Does anybody know an easy way to convert all of them to actual jpegs? Thanks
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• 131[00:53:54] <Tramp> pennTeller: for f in *.txt; do base64 -d "$f" > "${f%.txt}.jpg"; done maybe?
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• 134[00:54:24] <pennTeller> Tramp, that could work! let me check it out :)
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• 158[01:06:05] <pennTeller> Tramp, thank you SO much man! your suggestion was very close to the real life implementation that I was able to finish it myself
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• 160[01:06:18] <pennTeller> Tramp, much appreciated
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• 162[01:06:25] <Tramp> yw
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• 211[01:28:34] <ac_slater> hey guys, what's a good way to resize my root partition? I know there used to be a rescue option in grub back in the day. I could use a live disk, but can I do it without?
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• 215[01:29:36] <ac_slater> the 'recovery' mode simply avoids X, but doesn't put me only in initrd or something
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• 225[01:32:13] <Loshki> ac_slater: just use a live disk and gparted. And do a full backup first.
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• 228[01:33:09] <ac_slater> Loshki: right
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• 231[01:33:47] <ac_slater> I was hoping I could install a minimal env
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• 233[01:33:52] <ac_slater> I remember that being a thing
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• 237[01:34:57] <crimsonmane> ac_slater: if you want to modify the main drive (partition) it must not be mounted. So you have to boot from a Live Session.
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• 248[01:40:05] <ac_slater> crimsonmane: true
• 249[01:40:07] <ac_slater> thanks guys
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• 264[01:50:15] <FunkyBob> morninhg, all
• 265[01:50:42] <FunkyBob> just set up my new laptop with the latest debian install [and now on testing] ... and for some reason the audio through the headphones is only the rear speakers, itseems
• 266[01:50:54] <FunkyBob> wondering what tools I can use to diagnose/fix this\
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• 269[01:53:33] <dka> is ssh build on TCP or UDP protocol ?
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• 271[01:54:41] <FunkyBob> TCP
• 272[01:54:50] <FunkyBob> normally
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• 315[02:26:01] <doverZ> hello!!, anyone here tried to modify for ex the debian stretch xfce live iso, using the CHROOT method? have some issues with the installer of the result immage when testing on a vm, it says the cd cannot be used to install :S
• 316[02:26:41] <annadane> that may be a vm issue
• 317[02:26:42] <annadane> not sure
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• 319[02:27:12] <doverZ> it happens with all the isos i create with this method
• 320[02:27:24] <doverZ> did the process 4 or 5 times
• 321[02:27:38] <doverZ> adding commands, changing some variables ...
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• 338[02:45:07] <somiaj> doverZ: so you are extracting the files from the stretch live iso, and then trying to boot from that using what?
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• 410[03:09:43] <vegenaise> test test, please confirm someone that hexchat is working for me
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• 412[03:10:28] <murdoc> vegenaise: I don't think it's working.
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• 431[03:19:42] <vegenaise> working now murdoc?
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• 528[04:21:07] <maxis> I'm trying to install Steam in Debian Stretch, I added contrib and non-free to the sources but no steam, any help would be appreciated!
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• 533[04:22:26] <somiaj> ,v steam
• 534[04:22:27] <judd> No package named 'steam' was found in amd64.
• 535[04:23:00] <somiaj> madgeek81: it is an i386 package, do you have multiarch enabled?
• 536[04:23:19] <somiaj> also did you run apt-get update after modifying your sources.list
• 537[04:23:36] <maxis> Yeah I configured it via dpkg
• 538[04:24:12] <maxis> Sure
• 539[04:24:32] <somiaj> what is the output of apt-cache policy steam:i386
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• 542[04:25:11] <maxis> Unable to locate package
• 543[04:25:22] <somiaj> share your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy
• 544[04:25:25] <somiaj> use paste.debian.net
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• 550[04:27:47] <maxis> Here it is replaced-url
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• 557[04:29:11] <somiaj> you don't need both lines 18 and 7. Just use one or the other. You sould also add contrib non-free to your security sources on line 10 and 11
• 558[04:29:15] <somiaj> now the output of apt-cache policy
• 559[04:29:30] <geejay> maybe clean out. apt clean
• 560[04:29:51] <maxis> Output of cache is 'Unable to locate package steam:386'
• 561[04:30:01] <somiaj> just apt-cache policy
• 562[04:30:04] <somiaj> nothing else
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• 570[04:34:54] <maxis> I changed the sources but still no steam, I only got steam-devices
• 571[04:35:08] <somiaj> maxis: please share the output of 'apt-cache policy'
• 572[04:36:04] <maxis> replaced-url
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• 579[04:38:29] <somiaj> maxis: and apt-cache policy steam:i386 is still returing no results? I wonder if something is wrong with the mirror you are using.
• 580[04:39:12] <somiaj> you could try replacing ftp.ca.debian.org with deb.debian.org and see if that helps.
• 581[04:39:32] <maxis> Nope nothing, I'll try that!
• 582[04:39:44] <somiaj> seems strange the mirror would be missing that package, but I'm unsure of anything else that you could be missing and I see the package right here in stretch.
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• 584[04:39:47] <somiaj> as i'm using it
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• 589[04:42:01] <somiaj> If all else fails you can get it from here replaced-url
• 590[04:42:17] <maxis> Weird, I changed the sources to deb,debian but still a no go...
• 591[04:42:57] <somiaj> I'm unsure what it could be, but here is my system.
• 592[04:43:03] <maxis> Should i run apt on the url?
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• 594[04:43:22] <somiaj> replaced-url
• 595[04:43:26] <maxis> I'm new in Debian, I'm an arch user.
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• 598[04:43:42] <somiaj> no you'll have to manually download the .deb, then dpkg -i it, and maybe apt-get -f install to try to get all the libs you are missing.
• 599[04:43:56] <somiaj> I don't see why your system cannot see that package, everything looks normal to me.
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• 603[04:44:32] <somiaj> what is the output of dpkg --print-foreign-architectures
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• 607[04:44:57] <maxis> i386
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• 613[04:46:06] <somiaj> I can't think of what the issue could be, everything looks configured fine. It isn't some slight error with what you are typing, maybe just for completenss, you paste the command you type and the full output of apt-cache policy steam:i386
• 614[04:46:44] <dvs> I'd try deb.debian.org
• 615[04:47:01] <somiaj> dvs: they said they tried that to no avail.
• 616[04:48:27] <maxis> Well if I run 'apt-cache policy steam', it gives me that:
• 617[04:48:31] <maxis> steam:i386:
• 618[04:48:31] <maxis> Installed: (none)
• 619[04:48:31] <maxis> Candidate: 1.0.0.54-2
• 620[04:48:31] <maxis> Version table:
• 621[04:48:31] <maxis> 1.0.0.54-2 500
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• 624[04:48:48] <maxis> Sorry for that
• 625[04:48:53] <somiaj> maxis: there the package is, so just apt-get install steam
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• 627[04:49:54] <maxis> Ah I see what's wrong, I rely too much on bash_completion...
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• 629[04:50:53] <maxis> Thanks for helping out somiaj, I was just about to reinstall Arch for the nth time
• 630[04:51:20] <maxis> ,next
• 631[04:51:36] <dvs> ???
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• 633[04:51:50] <dvs> Why install arch again?
• 634[04:52:18] <maxis> Because arch is easy and I still like it more than Debian, Debian is just more stable!
• 635[04:52:34] <dvs> blasphemy!
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• 641[04:53:40] <maxis> Call it what you want but arch is awesome.
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• 643[04:54:42] <somiaj> switching distros takes a while to learn the differences in policy/software management. I say use what you like, I prefer debian myself.
• 644[04:55:01] <dvs> same here!
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• 646[04:55:09] <dvs> it's da bomb!
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• 649[04:56:23] <maxis> I used to be a distro hopper til I find arch, and debian is second, tried ubuntu for a day, hated it!
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• 661[05:01:47] <maxis> Still missing libGl though, I reinstalled mesa and steam...
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• 663[05:02:55] <Maid-Chan> is there a good riichi game (bots or humans) on the debian repo?
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• 665[05:03:32] <maxis> I even tried symlinking the mesa lib to libGL, no luck.
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• 668[05:04:49] <somiaj> maxis: what video card are you suing?
• 669[05:05:07] <somiaj> maxis: you need to install the i386 libaries, you most likely only have the 64bit libaries installed
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• 671[05:05:26] <maxis> I just downloaded new proprietary drivers for GeForce GTX 630
• 672[05:05:46] <somiaj> so you installed the drivers from nvidia.com
• 673[05:05:52] <Maid-Chan> k think i found a cross plat game. what was the command to see if it's on the repo? OpenRiichi is the name of the app.
• 674[05:05:55] <somiaj> that is most likely your problem, you need to install them via the debian packages.
• 675[05:06:00] <maxis> No from the debian repo
• 676[05:06:29] <maxis> Never install anything not using the package manager, rule 1
• 677[05:07:12] <somiaj> maxis: install the package libglx-nvidia0:i386
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• 679[05:07:21] <somiaj> I belive that is enough, you just need the 32bit versions of the glx libaries
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• 681[05:07:48] <somiaj> I also have libgl1-nvidia-glx:i386 installed
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• 804[06:18:52] <Wulf> Morning! I get a popup each day in gnome3 telling me there are important software updates. How can I disable this popup?
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• 808[06:23:51] <somiaj> I think in gnome it is the package gnome-packagekit
• 809[06:24:01] <somiaj> I'm unsure of any config that would disable it, maybe just configure it not to run.
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• 813[06:25:55] <Wulf> How so?
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• 815[06:26:44] <Wulf> systemctl disable?
• 816[06:26:57] <somiaj> It most likely has a .desktop file to auto start it
• 817[06:27:17] <somiaj> but check out /usr/share/doc/gnome-packagekit -- see if that gives you any information
• 818[06:27:35] <somiaj> or look though the control panel for packagekit or some admin options for packages. It use to be called upate-notifier
• 819[06:28:41] <Wulf> gnome-packagekit isn't installed, but packagekit is
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• 821[06:29:47] <somiaj> is there an /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades file?
• 822[06:30:17] <somiaj> Or maybe look around the configuration menus, System > Administration > Software Sources .. though this is info for ubuntu, it maynot apply fully to debian
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• 837[06:38:21] <Wulf> somiaj: there is no /etc/update-manager/
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• 840[06:39:25] <Wulf> ah, gnome settings, notifications, software
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• 1027[08:51:41] <firefire> hi I don't have registered account to ask in #firefox so I will ask here
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• 1029[08:52:45] <firefire> anyone here ?
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• 1031[08:53:00] <BrahRah> why is linux always so bitchy?
• 1032[08:53:20] <BrahRah> I just installed deb in vbox and I try to install sudo
• 1033[08:53:48] <BrahRah> added the online repos that were missing and now I get: Other updates deb ##replaced-url
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• 1035[08:53:54] <firefire> so on this page replaced-url
• 1036[08:54:05] <BrahRah> sry wrong
• 1037[08:54:27] <piklu> Hi Can anyone help me here, I am trying to use git. It somehow can not read id_rsa file. File is accessible. I have also added key to ssh-agent, ssh -vvv fails
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• 1044[08:55:02] <firefire> can someone try it ? just open replaced-url
• 1045[08:55:27] <BrahRah> ahh damn bidirectionl copy and past isnt working
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• 1047[08:56:13] <Amun_Ra> BrahRah: you have to have vbox guest installed
• 1048[08:56:21] <BrahRah> prob not
• 1049[08:56:25] <firefire> I mean are any helpful people in here ?
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• 1054[08:59:14] <jelly> BrahRah: the two lines you pasted seem incorrect, "stretch/updates" should be present only after replaced-url
• 1055[08:59:22] <jelly> dpkg, tell BrahRah about stretch sources.list
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• 1058[09:00:01] <BrahRah> those are the lines I added
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• 1070[09:04:58] <Enrico_Menotti> Hello. I have built a package by using debuild. Now I need to change a detail in the source, just in a single .cpp file that executes some test. Is there a way to do a partial rebuild of the package, triggering only the build for the changed .cpp file and not for the rest, but executing all other steps (something like debuild -nc, but triggering the build for the changed file)?
• 1071[09:06:00] <BrahRah> and installing vbox guest addons wont work without error too of course
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• 1073[09:07:07] <BrahRah> oh ok thx I forgot apt update
• 1074[09:07:12] <BrahRah> what was it
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• 1076[09:08:33] <BrahRah> is there a one command install for lamp?
• 1077[09:08:49] <BrahRah> or do I have to install everything one by one?
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• 1191[10:19:03] <inviz> I think my journalctl stores logs only for few days
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• 1193[10:19:27] <inviz> it is in debug mode so too many lines i guess
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• 1204[10:25:44] <at0m> inviz: see man journalctl, more specifically the --vacuum-* options
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• 1366[11:45:23] <armin> any hint what i could try when setxkbmap is giving me "Error loading new keyboard description"?
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• 1369[11:46:02] <masterkorp> hello everyone
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• 1371[11:46:12] <masterkorp> I would like to do a remote install of debian
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• 1373[11:47:01] <masterkorp> does anyone know is its possible to configure a debian live stick to imediatelly request a DHCP image and set up an ssh server so I can process the instalation remoteley
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• 1389[11:55:04] <iodev> masterkorp: use netinst
• 1390[11:55:07] <iodev> start ssh
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• 1394[11:55:41] <iodev> afaik, you can set up ssh and dhcp manually
• 1395[11:55:49] <iodev> (not auto)
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• 1409[12:00:47] <rotaticus> preseed a netinstall-nonfree perhaps
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• 1415[12:03:06] <iodev> rotaticus: preseed?
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• 1418[12:03:12] <iodev> what's that
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• 1420[12:04:12] <rotaticus> replaced-url
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• 1422[12:05:02] <iodev> ahh, automating it via initrd.gz modification, thx
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• 1446[12:17:24] <OnkelTem> Hi all, Debian 8.7 here. I created a script to run it via 'service' command but it doesn't work. I've placed it into /etc/init.d/ and have added the header. What could be wrong with it? I'll show it
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• 1449[12:18:35] <OnkelTem> replaced-url
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• 1452[12:19:09] <OnkelTem> So when I do: sudo `service websitename start` nothing happens
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• 1456[12:20:46] <ksk> OnkelTem: what is your debian release? why dont you try writing a systemd unit file?
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• 1459[12:21:52] <masterkorp> iodev: rotaticus hmm, thanks I will check it out
• 1460[12:21:58] <ksk> if you are starting from scracht, Id suggest not digging into sysv-init, if you dont have to
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• 1463[12:22:45] <masterkorp> rotaticus: this links is very vage
• 1464[12:22:56] <masterkorp> what does this preced does?
• 1465[12:22:59] <simoneb> hello, anybody knows if there is an easy way to install php5-imagick on debian stretch?
• 1466[12:23:16] <gpunk> simoneb: apt ?
• 1467[12:23:31] <simoneb> looks like imagick packages for php5 were pulled, now there is only the php7 version
• 1468[12:23:49] <gpunk> simoneb: I used backports i think,
• 1469[12:24:04] <themill> simoneb: none of php5 is in stretch; time to upgrade
• 1470[12:24:11] <simoneb> isn't backport for packages in future/unstable versions?
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• 1472[12:24:22] <gpunk> yes sorry
• 1473[12:24:40] <gpunk> i ment i did pull it out from jessie on stretch, but i do not recommend it
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• 1475[12:25:07] <simoneb> whatever, I'll update to php7, but it'll take time
• 1476[12:25:20] <simoneb> I did not expect imagick for php5 to disappear :|
• 1477[12:25:49] <gpunk> many modules are gone,
• 1478[12:25:57] <gpunk> like php-pgsql ...
• 1479[12:26:07] <gpunk> i was mad , my website down !
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• 1481[12:26:22] <gpunk> (php5)
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• 1485[12:27:45] <simoneb> also I believe php7 will remove the old mysql interface so upgrade will be even more fun
• 1486[12:27:54] <themill> OnkelTem: running sudo inside an init script is unlikely to work
• 1487[12:28:12] <gpunk> simoneb: yes some fucntions are gone !
• 1488[12:29:07] <gpunk> and replaced ...
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• 1493[12:31:07] <ksk> themill: I wanted to add my doubts about that working, too - but in systemd you just write "user=foo".
• 1494[12:31:38] <rotaticus> masterkorp: it unwraps the iso you've got and makes it possible to alter the distribution inside ... add your configs , reroll the iso and have a try :)
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• 1499[12:34:06] <gpunk> simoneb: notably mysql_pconnect , so have fun :)
• 1500[12:34:43] <masterkorp> rotaticus: i am looking into information how to add the configs
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• 1504[12:36:37] <themill> ksk: yeah, changing user is fine; sudo can't do it with out a controlling tty, however. You'd spend a quality day trying to work out how to use start-stop-daemon to get that to work.
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• 1508[12:38:52] <rotaticus> masterkorp: replaced-url
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• 1511[12:40:47] <rotaticus> probably not even the best places ...
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• 1515[12:44:43] <OnkelTem> themill: ah, so I'm better to replace it to su?
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• 1518[12:45:32] <OnkelTem> ksk: Oh, sorry. The release is Jessie. I don't know about unit files :-/
• 1519[12:45:57] <OnkelTem> ksk: actually, I'd write one if it suits my needs :) As you see I just need to start docker containers
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• 1522[12:48:26] <masterkorp> rotaticus: well, I will look into it, any help is apreciated :)
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• 1528[12:55:50] <ksk> OnkelTem: then go ahead and write one. just google it, there are tutorials and the docs (or blog, pid1 or something) is okay
• 1529[12:56:10] <ksk> is much easier (most of the time) compared to knowing how sysv works, and knowing bash, and..
• 1530[12:56:14] <OnkelTem> ksk: well I've found some. It doesn't look easier
• 1531[12:56:25] <OnkelTem> And I really need bash
• 1532[12:56:38] <OnkelTem> I need my commands to execute inside a bash shell
• 1533[12:57:16] <ksk> OnkelTem: write a bash script "foo.sh", do your bash in there. then create systemd unit file, tell it to start "foo.sh" with user=foo
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• 1535[12:57:54] <OnkelTem> ksk: ok, I'll try :)
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• 1538[12:58:10] <ksk> maybe you want to add a "user check" into your bashscript, so you can verify it never runs as root (for like when you choose a nonexisting user in a systemd-unit-file)
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• 1557[13:08:09] <OnkelTem> ksk: Does it look good for you: [[ $(whoami) = $RUN_USER ]] || { echo "You should run this command under $RUN_USER user"; exit 1; } ?
• 1558[13:08:13] <OnkelTem> I mean the checking
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• 1573[13:11:20] <ksk> looks okay. but dont judgme on that :D
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• 1584[13:13:44] <ksk> OnkelTem: dont use upper-case variables, they shall be used for env and bash internals ;)
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• 1586[13:14:15] <OnkelTem> ksk: also, one question on systemd unit files. How to write a command to stop my service?
• 1587[13:14:15] <OnkelTem> Reading this article: replaced-url
• 1588[13:14:15] <OnkelTem> Ah ExecStop :)
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• 1590[13:16:14] <ksk> 2011
• 1591[13:16:15] <ksk> cmon
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• 1593[13:17:23] <ksk> see: replaced-url
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• 1601[13:23:27] <OnkelTem> ksk: ah, thanks. Well, I'm not sure my script is working
• 1602[13:23:38] <OnkelTem> When I run it now via systemd it exists
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• 1604[13:24:13] <OnkelTem> How to see the output of my script? It just silently does somethign
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• 1606[13:24:41] <geejay> how can i stop my screen from blanking in kde5? I have went into power settings and a few others
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• 1611[13:25:20] <hellyeah> how to mount exfat in debian?
• 1612[13:25:28] <hellyeah> replaced-url
• 1613[13:25:29] <hellyeah> ops
• 1614[13:25:46] <hellyeah> i got this error mount: unknown filesystem type 'exfat'
• 1615[13:25:53] <ksk> OnkelTem: first test that the scripts works without systemd maybe, su to your user and call it.
• 1616[13:26:24] <ksk> journalctl -u $unit-name tells you maybe whats wrong. did you do a deamon-reload to make systemd aware of your unit-file?
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• 1620[13:30:03] <hellyeah> solved the issue
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• 1624[13:31:40] <OnkelTem> ksk: yes, it perfectly works. Let me show you the file: replaced-url
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• 1630[13:35:06] <OnkelTem> Is there a kind of foreground mode when running systemd services?
• 1631[13:35:18] <OnkelTem> There are no 'verbose' or 'debug' options
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• 1633[13:35:28] <OnkelTem> I need to see at least stdout/stderr
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• 1635[13:35:40] <ksk> these go to journal afaik
• 1636[13:35:46] <ksk> stderr does
• 1637[13:36:21] <OnkelTem> When I do: 'sudo systemctl start amoraz.service' then nothing happens at all. No error messages no other messages
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• 1642[13:37:15] <OnkelTem> Also, isn't it the case when systemctl expects to run real daemons while I feed it with just a script which runs other daemons?
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• 1644[13:37:34] <OnkelTem> I mean, is systemctl the thing which I need after all?
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• 1648[13:38:59] <OnkelTem> My original problem was that `service` command didn't run my at script. It is located in /etc/init.d/ and has the header
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• 1651[13:39:49] <OnkelTem> replaced-url
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• 1655[13:40:13] <ksk> OnkelTem: did you do a deamon-reload
• 1656[13:40:34] <ksk> "systemctl daemon-reload"
• 1657[13:40:45] <ksk> then check "systemctl status $unit"
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• 1665[13:45:40] <sharp15> is there a known problem with debian stretch/DPMS ? my monitor keeps shutting off and the graphics will not react but the VTs (Ctrl-Alt-Fx) work just fine.
• 1666[13:46:03] <sharp15> i'm using LXDE. and the setup was not modified from the default install.
• 1667[13:46:26] <sharp15> um. by 'setup' i mean the x system configuration.
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• 1679[13:49:59] <OnkelTem> ksk: replaced-url
• 1680[13:50:15] <OnkelTem> ksk: seems like it runs Stop right afte Start. wtf ;)
• 1681[13:50:19] <OnkelTem> :)
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• 1700[14:01:20] <OnkelTem> ksk: seems to get it working
• 1701[14:01:26] <OnkelTem> got
• 1702[14:01:45] <OnkelTem> replaced-url
• 1703[14:01:58] <OnkelTem> type=oneshot + remainaferexit=yes
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• 1791[14:37:24] <format_c> \o/
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• 1853[15:13:46] <hexnewbie> Is there any known issue where upgrading from Jessie to Stretch would cause libvirt/qemu/kvm machines to lose networking? It has to do with the libvirt/qemu/kvm packages, as the issue disappears if the machines are started from a Jessie chroot. Running tcpdump on the virtual interface on the host sees packets, but they arrive in the interface in the guest. (I probably can't test any suggestions, unless it's safe to run libvirtd in a chroot
• 1854[15:13:46] <hexnewbie> and outside of it at the same time)
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• 1857[15:14:31] <hexnewbie> but they *don't* arrive on the guest's interface
• 1858[15:15:13] <hexnewbie> May be related to configuration inside the VM, as upgrading identical systems several months ago caused no such problem.
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• 1860[15:16:16] <hexnewbie> Identical(-ish) hosts, different VMs
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• 1863[15:17:39] <shtrb> hexnewbie , an upgrade will upgrade any dkms module loaded (currently )
• 1864[15:17:41] <simoneb> I upgraded jessie to stretch on kvm yesterday, no networking issues....
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• 1866[15:18:13] <simoneb> maybe the upgrade unconfigured /etc/network/interfaces?
• 1867[15:18:23] <hexnewbie> shtrb: There are no dkms modules here, also the networking works in a Jessie chroot on the Stretch host
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• 1869[15:19:03] <shtrb> hexnewbie , that is the only thing I could think that could reset the network (down+up) , sorry - I had several clean upgrades
• 1870[15:19:09] <shtrb> clean upgrade (without any issues )
• 1871[15:19:20] <hexnewbie> Yeah, me too, which makes this puzzling.
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• 1874[15:21:27] <hexnewbie> Upgrading Jessie to Stretch on a virtually identical libvirt/QEMU/KVM host (possibly up to the machine .xml configurations, and the networking bridges) caused no networking issues. So I upgraded two more hosts, and both hosts suffer lack of networking on the VMs when started with Stretch's qemu
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• 1876[15:22:20] <hexnewbie> The content of the VMs is totally different (the working ones are Windows and Ubuntu, the broken ones are oldoldstable Debian machines)
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• 1878[15:22:21] <shtrb> hexnewbie , if you restart the vms after the upgrade do they get network correctly ?
• 1879[15:22:40] <shtrb> or it is only during the upgrade
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• 1882[15:22:50] <hexnewbie> After reboot
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• 1887[15:24:32] <shtrb> I know a it's a fire in the dark , but are the network interfaces (bridge I assume on the host) are up and no new firewall rules ?
• 1888[15:24:40] <hexnewbie> Would it be safe to start libvirtd, if I'm already running it in a Jessie chroot? So I can test with a test VM while the production machines are working
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• 1890[15:25:15] <hexnewbie> shtrb: Yes (that was the first thing that came to mind)
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• 1893[15:26:20] <shtrb> is the network down both ways or only one side ? (host can access guess or nothing ) ?
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• 1903[15:28:16] <hexnewbie> shtrb: Both directions (however, I think arp requests left the VM - and didn't reach it)
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• 1906[15:28:54] <shtrb> virsh net-list -all show the network as active ?
• 1907[15:29:30] <hexnewbie> I'm not using virsh to set up the networking
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• 1909[15:29:36] <shtrb> oh
• 1910[15:29:45] <shtrb> no other ideas :( maybe at ##networking
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• 1916[15:30:57] <shtrb> your interfaces names may have changed
• 1917[15:31:20] <shtrb> *network interfaces , so the bride can exist but not hold the correct interfce names
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• 1926[15:35:06] <shtrb> hexnewbie ^
• 1927[15:35:21] <hexnewbie> shtrb: Networking is the same. The VM networking works on the Stretch host (with the scripts and config from Stretch), but only when I started the VMs from the chroot where I backed up the Jessie installation
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• 1930[15:35:58] <hexnewbie> shtrb: So, virsh create ...vm - no networking. chroot /old virsh create ...vm - networking works.
• 1931[15:36:20] <shtrb> network interface names should have changed (that is a new thing in stretch )
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• 1934[15:36:36] <hexnewbie> They shouldn't and didn't :)
• 1935[15:36:48] <hexnewbie> None of my Stretch upgrades has changed my interface names so far
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• 1939[15:38:55] <shtrb> hexnewbie , in that case maybe you have some udev rule or something (or your names had been persistent before)
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• 1943[15:40:11] <hexnewbie> shtrb: Yes, from Jessie. Also the bridge name is in /etc/network/interfaces, and the virtual interface name is in /etc/libvirt/qemu/{machine}.xml. THose didn't change. Traffic arrives on the latter (tcpdump from the host), but not inside on the VM
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• 1947[15:42:42] <hexnewbie> A colleague of mine insists that "VirtIO networking doesn't work at all, which is a known issue reported at 'the forums'" and has configured all his VMs to use e1000 for that reason. The symptoms are similar, and all the hosts have newer versions of QEMU, as in Stretch. So I was wondering if there is some known change in the virtio backend driver that won't work with *some* virtio frontend drivers.
• 1948[15:42:58] <hexnewbie> (Cannot find any such issue by searching, myself)
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• 1996[16:06:02] <bernd> Hi there, are there any debian+mongodb+docker hacks here ;)? I am asking because I use buster and get that horrific 139 exit code when trying to run my mongodb image in docker ... thanks for any help ..
• 1997[16:06:05] <hexnewbie> So I ruled host networking up to the tap interface (works with different userland and no changes), ruled out qemu (tap-to-virtio part) (works on different host with different VM), ruled out the VM (works with Jessie). So it's gotta be the aliens :)
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• 2014[16:14:44] <jelly> bernd: 139 exit code means something sent your process a KILL signal. Inspect dmesg for out of memory conditions.
• 2015[16:14:56] <jelly> also,
• 2016[16:14:59] <jelly> !debian-next
• 2017[16:14:59] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 2026[16:18:18] <bernd> @jelly: thanks very much for the info
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• 2068[16:33:19] <john_rambo> Using Debian 9 ... How to add BENGALI FONT support in Chromium/Firefox ?...Presently the bangali fonts appears as "squares"
• 2069[16:34:00] <Devastator> will Debian automatically update /etc/resolv.conf if I use DHCP? I would like it not to touch resolv.conf no matter what
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• 2080[16:37:32] <Iridos> hexnewbie, bug tracker? e.g. … replaced-url
• 2081[16:37:33] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2085[16:38:11] <Iridos> well, not sure what bits of what package might affect the vm you tried… but…
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• 2087[16:39:10] <Iridos> hm, wait, that was for unstable
• 2088[16:39:45] <shtrb> Devastator , drop nameserver from the dhcp3 client configuration file
• 2089[16:40:28] <hexnewbie> Iridos: Hm, I don't think that issue is related, but I'll search the tracker. How do I search the tracker? replaced-url
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• 2100[16:42:54] <Iridos> oh… it's just replaced-url
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• 2104[16:43:23] <goose> Before upgrading from debian 7 to debian 8, whatever mail program was installed on my system, I could write out a file with headers (i.e. "To: email@domain.com" \n "From: email@domain.com" \n "Subject: Stuff" \n "Message body goes here") and send the message using "mail -t < /path/to/file"
• 2105[16:43:26] <Iridos> actually forwards to: replaced-url
• 2106[16:43:30] <goose> Once upgrading, that no longer works
• 2107[16:43:33] <hexnewbie> OK, I think I found an issue identical to mine - replaced-url
• 2108[16:43:34] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 2109[16:43:39] <goose> Does any one know what mail program that was so I can do that again?
• 2110[16:43:45] <Devastator> shtrb thank you
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• 2115[16:44:58] <shtrb> Devastator , either that /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf or chatter , or create a hook in /etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/
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• 2117[16:45:19] <Iridos> goose, that depends on your system… /usr/bin/mail is handled by the alternatives system in debian and can point to one of several programs. for me on jessie, it's bsd-mailx
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• 2119[16:45:40] <shtrb> */etc/dhcp/dhclient-enter-hooks.d/nodnsupdate*
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• 2125[16:46:05] <goose> I see. Do you know of any mail programs where I can just point it to a file and it'll read the headers like that?
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• 2129[16:47:46] <hexnewbie> Iridos: Thanks for pointing me to the bug tracker, issue found and resolved. I messed up the VMs' kernel configurations, and I'm affected by that qemu bug as a result. :)
• 2130[16:48:07] <Iridos> \o/
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• 2132[16:48:29] <Iridos> cool… thought you'd better know what to look for :)
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• 2137[16:50:14] <Iridos> judd, versions mailutils
• 2138[16:50:15] <judd> Package: mailutils on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.99.97-3; jessie: 1:2.99.98-2; buster: 1:3.1.1-1; stretch: 1:3.1.1-1; sid: 1:3.2-1
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• 2140[16:50:22] <Iridos> judd, versions bsd-mailx
• 2141[16:50:23] <judd> Package: bsd-mailx on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 8.1.2-0.20111106cvs-1+deb7u1; jessie: 8.1.2-0.20141216cvs-2; buster: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4; sid: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4; stretch: 8.1.2-0.20160123cvs-4
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• 2144[16:50:57] <Iridos> goose, well, try these two?
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• 2147[16:51:17] <hexnewbie> Also heirloom-mailx is more featureful
• 2148[16:51:22] <goose> will try. thank you Iridos :)
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• 2151[16:52:17] <Iridos> (they're the two present on my jessie system… )
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• 2159[16:53:32] <errorousone> anyone have prolems with zynaddsubfx interface on sid?
• 2160[16:53:49] <makeway_> Hey, is there an easy way to find an ip that would work on my network for a debian install? I can use the win command line to check the network right now, but I can't get debian to work with any address I give it. I know near nothing about network stuff, so I'm not sure what I'd need to say for help... Just wondering if someone can help me connect my debian install to the internet.
• 2161[16:53:50] <errorousone> or know how to solve?
• 2162[16:54:03] <errorousone> >inb4 change to stable
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• 2164[16:54:37] <ksk> makeway_: is it your home network? if not you have to ask the admin
• 2165[16:55:13] <makeway_> Do they need to allow an ip to be set up on the network or something?
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• 2170[16:56:26] <jayarcs> Normally a service called DHCP that exists in most networks would automatically assign any computer connecting an IP address, this is the typical way it happens.
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• 2172[16:56:38] <jayarcs> If you don't administer the network I'd ask the admin about DHCP
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• 2175[16:56:52] <ksk> some networks dont want you to just take part with a new computer, just ask them :)
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• 2177[16:57:14] <rotaticus> makeway_: sudo dhclient eth0 , trys to get an ip from a dhcp server (most times your router)
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• 2182[16:57:46] <makeway_> It seems like the network I'm on doesn't have dhcp set up
• 2183[16:58:03] <makeway_> So I'll just talk to someone, it's no problem.
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• 2236[17:24:05] <ghghgh> sup niggers
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• 2270[17:41:27] <jhutchins> makeway_: You should be able to get the basic network information from Windows if Windows has network access, then transfer that info to Debian.
• 2271[17:41:47] <jhutchins> makeway_: You need to know IP address, netmask, gateway, and DNS.
• 2272[17:42:19] <jhutchins> makeway_: ipconfig /all should show you what you need.
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• 2286[17:48:00] <Michal_> Hello everybody, I have stupid thing to solve, please help. I have wifi router with hdd (ext3), I want mount it by network in debian. I use fstab, but I am able mount only folder. I want mount whole disc. example I have disc and inside is folders /movie /photo /music and I want mount all at once, now I am able mount only one folder like /192.168.1.1/music/ /mnt/media server and 192.168.1.1/movie/ /mnt/media2 etc..
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• 2294[17:50:03] <Dreddo> hello
• 2295[17:50:46] <vlt> Michal_: What does /etc/exports on the router look like?
• 2296[17:51:22] <Dreddo> how may I write in the keyboard the chat simil to : '
• 2297[17:51:43] <Dreddo> I mean to assign the command output to a variable in bash
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• 2299[17:52:18] <Dreddo> on the ttyX is possible use ctrl + numeric keyboard , but under X ?
• 2300[17:52:26] <Michal_> In router I use web site setting
• 2301[17:52:27] <vlt> Dreddo: Are you looking for `var=$(cmd)`?
• 2302[17:52:32] <Dreddo> yesssss
• 2303[17:52:53] <Dreddo> I'm using a keyboard not US
• 2304[17:53:23] * vlt is using both. His keyboard and the US.
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• 2309[17:54:10] <Dreddo> US keyboard have ` under escape I know
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• 2311[17:54:24] <vlt> Dreddo: Aaah ... you were only looking for this: `
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• 2313[17:54:31] <Dreddo> yes
• 2314[17:54:36] <Michal_> vlt: I use web for setting router, I don't use any expert setting
• 2315[17:54:44] <vlt> Dreddo: I thought you wanted $()
• 2316[17:55:03] <vlt> Dreddo: It does the same. But better. Because nesting and readability.
• 2317[17:55:09] <Dreddo> no, $ is easy is present in all latin keyboards
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• 2319[17:55:36] <Dreddo> vlt, what the same , how do u write ` ?
• 2320[17:56:09] <vlt> Dreddo: Instead of var=`cmd` you can write var=$(cmd)
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• 2323[17:57:15] <Dreddo> vlt, ok , but there is a mode to use for eample the same mode of ttyX : ctrl + number ?
• 2324[17:57:25] <starstreak> hello everyone :) I installed Debian 9 testing on my work laptop (Lenovo L440) yesterday and everything was going well... Until today, when I started experiencing random freezes of the system. It becomes completely unresponsive - no pseudo-TTYs on Ctrl+Alt+F*, no mouse or keyboard input - nothing. The only thing I can do is hold down the power button. I check /var/log/syslog and saw this in there, it appears around the times of the crash
• 2325[17:57:25] <starstreak> es: replaced-url
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• 2328[17:57:38] <starstreak> could anyone decrypt this log for me please? :)
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• 2331[17:57:56] <vlt> Michal_: Do you have the option to just export the whole "/" in the router? Or have you tried to mount 192.168.1.1/ to /mnt/ ?
• 2332[17:58:15] <Dreddo> I starstreak I installed debian 9 on a old netbook N2600 and all go well
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• 2334[17:58:18] <vlt> Dreddo: I have no idea what ctrl + number does :-D
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• 2336[17:59:08] <Michal_> vlt: second way, I try ip/ to /mnt
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• 2338[17:59:24] <starstreak> well this laptop was running Mint MATE (ubuntu 16.04) fork till last week without any issues at all
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• 2340[17:59:50] <starstreak> this bit makes me think it has something to do with the WiFi adapter or its drivers, but I'm not sure: eee80211_tasklet_handler...
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• 2348[18:02:27] <Dreddo> special chars I mean
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• 2356[18:04:29] <Michal_> vlt: I try now connect to router via telnet and in etc is not any exports
• 2357[18:05:39] <Dreddo> vlt, [alt gr] + key
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• 2360[18:07:47] <Dreddo> ok , It's the same key ok ' , but pressing [alt gr]
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• 2365[18:10:51] <Dreddo> why the old mode to write ascii chars is disable under X ? I mean right ALT+ ascii code on the numeric keyboard on right
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• 2367[18:11:59] <Dreddo> nobody ?
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• 2372[18:13:20] <Dreddo> basically, on tty1 etc ... it's possible write ascii chars pression right ALT + ascii code on the numbers key to the right side on the extented keyboard
• 2373[18:13:39] <Dreddo> but on the term of X no, why ?
• 2374[18:13:50] <Dreddo> alt + 65 = A
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• 2376[18:14:10] <Dreddo> alt + 125 = {
• 2377[18:14:12] <Dreddo> etc
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• 2380[18:15:55] <vlt> Michal_: Please keep the conversation in the channel.
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• 2383[18:17:19] <Michal_> ok, I just don't know if you watch. I will wait no problem...
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• 2422[18:28:42] <dfv> hi.. need help i by accident symlink the wrong one
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• 2426[18:28:56] <dfv> Need help to undo it
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• 2432[18:30:42] <dfv> replaced-url
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• 2441[18:33:04] <dfv> I followed replaced-url
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• 2450[18:35:03] <dfv> I also don't have that file /etc/X11/xorg.conf do you guys have it?
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• 2456[18:35:58] <LtL> dfv: not by design, no xorg.conf
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• 2459[18:36:28] <LtL> dfv: your symlink failed, so i dont see a fix needed.
• 2460[18:36:46] <dfv> does it failed for all?
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• 2462[18:36:59] <dfv> I am also sudo how did it failed?
• 2463[18:37:21] <LtL> dfv: looks like it yes, no change occurred
• 2464[18:37:32] <dfv> ok thx
• 2465[18:37:52] <LtL> dfv: it failed you may have got lucky. welcome
• 2466[18:37:56] <dfv> need help with xbacklight
• 2467[18:38:17] <dfv> i need to use that script replaced-url
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• 2469[18:39:26] <LtL> dfv: i can't help you on that, mine seems to work but keep asking.
• 2470[18:39:42] <dfv> ok.. i am also use another monitor :D
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• 2474[18:40:17] <dfv> LtL: if you use laptop which brand?
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• 2478[18:40:35] <LtL> dfv: lenovo thinkpad t530
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• 2481[18:40:43] <dfv> i also have lenovo but not that
• 2482[18:40:54] <dfv> i am very disappointed from lenovo ..
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• 2487[18:41:51] <rozie> xbacklight -get - what does it return?
• 2488[18:42:28] <dfv> this: "No outputs have backlight property"
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• 2491[18:42:49] <rozie> try to search for this phrase
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• 2493[18:43:18] <dfv> yep rozie ;)
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• 2527[18:54:52] <Texou> I have two scanners: 1= EPSON; 2=Canon. When I plug in 1, scanimage -L finds it at 001:020, perm on it are root:root, but I can ust it with regular user. When I plug in 2, 001:021 is also set to root:root, but sane-find-image does not find it as a regular user/
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• 2536[18:58:34] <Texou> for Epson, I have exactly: crw-rw-r--+
• 2537[18:58:37] <makeway_> Hey, I'm running into a small issue. After apt-get installing the libsdl2-dev package, I ran into an issue with including SDL_image which should come with the debian package. After looking for the header file with apt-file, it says it should be in /usr/include/SDL2, but when I check there I find no file by that name... Any ideas?
• 2538[18:58:42] <Texou> for canon: crw-rw-r--
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• 2542[19:00:13] <hexnewbie> Texou: getfacl on the device will tell you the difference, + means the permissions aren't really 664, but there's more
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• 2545[19:00:47] <Texou> hexnewbie: thanks I try and do a feedbak
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• 2551[19:01:37] <makeway_> Actually... wait
• 2552[19:01:39] <makeway_> replaced-url
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• 2554[19:01:48] <hexnewbie> makeway_: apt-file search SDL_image → libsdl-image1.2-dev: /usr/include/SDL/SDL_image.h
• 2555[19:01:50] <makeway_> SDL_image isn't included in this list...
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• 2557[19:02:31] <makeway_> hexnewbie: I'm looking for the SDL2 version though because it's fully compatable with the other headers I'm using
• 2558[19:02:35] <makeway_> And it's fully updated so..
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• 2564[19:04:03] <makeway_> hexnewbie: neither of the files apt-file search shows exist on my system
• 2565[19:04:06] <Texou> hexnewbie: the main info I get is that for Epson, it belongs to root, but also to scanner group. And mask::rw- The other just is owned by root:root, no reference to scanner group
• 2566[19:04:08] <makeway_> Even though it says they're there
• 2567[19:04:23] <deadweight> How much does Debian cost?
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• 2569[19:04:41] <Texou> and umask is not mentioned
• 2570[19:04:47] <hexnewbie> makeway_: Did you install libsdl-image1.2-dev?
• 2571[19:04:49] <annadane> deadweight, it's free; you can of course get it from vendors
• 2572[19:04:51] <makeway_> Yes
• 2573[19:04:54] <makeway_> Both
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• 2576[19:05:12] <makeway_> It told me that libsdl-image1.2-dev was already installed
• 2577[19:05:23] <makeway_> But it should be updated to SDL2 at this point..
• 2578[19:05:28] <annadane> if you wanted to support the project that way or make a donation, but debian itself is free
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• 2582[19:06:58] <hexnewbie> makeway_: Sorry, libsdl2-image-dev
• 2583[19:07:39] <makeway_> Wait, does that package exist?
• 2584[19:07:45] <makeway_> Oh shit wait
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• 2586[19:08:47] <makeway_> Ohhhh ok perfect
• 2587[19:09:14] <makeway_> Sorry, I guess I wasn't keywording right in my apt-cache searches. I didn't realize that existed. Everything works now, thank you! =)
• 2588[19:09:18] <makeway_> hexnewbie:
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• 2593[19:11:03] <hexnewbie> Texou: Hm, belongs to the scanner group? So it's like root:root, but also has group:scanner:rw-?
• 2594[19:11:23] <Texou> hexnewbie: exact
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• 2597[19:12:08] <hexnewbie> Texou: That's unusual. It should either change the group of the scanner, or add your own user (user:texou:rw- or similar), but that's OK. I suppose you *are* in the scanner group?
• 2598[19:12:33] <Texou> hexnewbie: yes I am
• 2599[19:12:50] <hexnewbie> Texou: Are you sure the scanner is supported? For the test, you can do: setfacl -m group:scanner:rw- $the_device
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• 2601[19:13:33] <Texou> hexnewbie: note that user:texou:rw- is mentioned as well, just I guess it is because I am in the scanner group) and anyway it does not menion it for canon scanner device
• 2602[19:13:38] <Texou> hexnewbie: ok I try.
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• 2605[19:14:56] <Texou> hexnewbie: your command worked and now, my scanner is seen when I do scanimage -L as regular user
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• 2608[19:15:29] <hexnewbie> Texou: No, the user:texou:rw- is explicit. The idea is to allow scanner, USB flash drive, etc. access to the user sitting on the computer, and to not have users in the scanner group. That's presumably more secure. (If jane is in the scanner group, while mary is using the computer at the console, jane can login remotely and snoop mary's webcam.)
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• 2613[19:16:16] <Texou> I understand
• 2614[19:16:25] <hexnewbie> Texou: So udev (or maybe ConsoleKit) somehow doesn't recognise this as a scanner and doesn't give you access to it. I'm not familiar with these, so I can't tell you how to fix it permanently.
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• 2616[19:16:48] <simoneb> does anybody know if openvpn is compatible with the windows10 built-in vpn client?
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• 2618[19:17:26] <Texou> hexnewbie: so you confirm I need to create a Udev rule?
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• 2620[19:17:52] <hexnewbie> Texou: I would create an udev rule, because that's the only option I know :)
• 2621[19:18:01] <Texou> ok
• 2622[19:18:06] <Texou> hexnewbie: many thanks
• 2623[19:18:32] <kopper> simoneb: I found it easier to just install OpenVPN GUI client
• 2624[19:18:52] <kopper> Don't know whether it's possible though
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• 2636[19:23:07] <teraflops> simoneb: nope, you have to install openvpn from replaced-url
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• 2668[19:37:17] <makeway__> Hey, I'm trying to delete a user and re add it. I already typed "sudo deluser user" but now when I try to type "sudo adduser user" it says "adduser: The user `user' already exists"
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• 2673[19:39:46] <makeway__> Nvm, it was because the user was part of another group
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• 2680[19:44:10] <awal1> any alternative to libreoffice-impress?
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• 2687[19:49:48] <SuperTramp83> awal1: tou have 'impressive' in your repo but I don't know how good an alternative it is..
• 2688[19:49:54] <SuperTramp83> *you
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• 2692[19:51:54] <SuperTramp83> also, 'sozi'
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• 2702[19:56:20] <rlsw_> how can I downgrade my oracle java 8 version?
• 2703[19:56:51] <rlsw_> can I install an old oracle-java-8-installer package version via apt-get?
• 2704[19:56:53] <teraflops> we dont know how you installed it, there's no oracle java on repos
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• 2708[19:58:12] <rlsw_> I think it was something like 'sudo apt-get install oracle-java8-installer'
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• 2753[20:11:53] <pissfrog> is there a proxmox repo for debian 9?
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• 2763[20:14:51] <vizzy_zzz> moin moin. i use deb8 for years, now i installed a fresh deb9 with kde, but i mentioned that a lot of settings were gone, doing things more automagically and give less control to users. is that a thing debian brings with it or is it just kde? e.g. one simple glitch is the logout 'applet' whioch is nice in deb8, but on deb9 in kde you cant see it and it looks so ugly and is far tooo small. is there a way to get the look and feel of kde on
• 2764[20:14:51] <vizzy_zzz> deb8 back in some way?
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• 2767[20:17:03] <Scrutinizer> That's the new kde plasma... You can select the old theme to get the old look but it won't be the old one for better or worse.
• 2768[20:17:08] <Scrutinizer> I think it's for the better. :)
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• 2777[20:19:36] <vizzy_zzz> mmmh. k. but anyway, it seems some developers think they must switch to a new gui and prevent usercontrol... e.g. a lot of settings only have the half of the options available. i thoiught this is the job of ubuntu :))
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• 2779[20:19:59] <awal1> SuperTramp83, sorry, I was out. I have seen "impressive" in aptitude search but it is a pdf reader
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• 2781[20:20:13] <greycat> Debian doesn't remove options from KDE. This would be KDE itself.
• 2782[20:20:41] <vizzy_zzz> yepp
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• 2785[20:20:58] <vizzy_zzz> tons of useful settings and apps have gone
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• 2790[20:21:40] <SuperTramp83> awal1: Impressive is a program that displays presentation slides using OpenGL.
• 2791[20:21:40] <SuperTramp83> Smooth alpha-blended slide transitions are provided for the sake of eye
• 2792[20:21:40] <SuperTramp83> candy, but in addition to this, Impressive offers some unique tools that
• 2793[20:21:45] <SuperTramp83> are really useful for presentations.
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• 2796[20:22:02] <vizzy_zzz> SuperTramp83, blender :)
• 2797[20:22:10] <HD|Laptop> Hello all. One can disable the network autoconfig in the installer with netcfg/disable_autoconfig, but can one also pass the full network configuration (ip addr, network, netmask, gateway, DNS server)?
• 2798[20:22:28] <SuperTramp83> vizzy_zzz: gimp :P
• 2799[20:22:32] <HD|Laptop> i want to do automated installation using preseed, but i dont have dhcp on that network
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• 2803[20:23:02] <vizzy_zzz> SuperTramp83, ok, gimp + verse + blender + ardour ... but thats overkill for a standard presentation :))
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• 2807[20:23:24] <SuperTramp83> hehe, da perfectionistz :)
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• 2814[20:25:21] <Scrutinizer> vizzy_zzz: You can install the kde-full package in order to get the full kde with all the (lots of) extras
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• 2819[20:26:02] <vizzy_zzz> Scrutinizer, ill try... :) thx
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• 2843[20:34:17] <awal1> SuperTramp83, ok, perfect, I 'll check 'impressive'
• 2844[20:34:22] <awal1> thanks
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• 2846[20:34:58] <SuperTramp83> awal1: I have no idea how good it is though, I never used it.. but you are welcome!
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• 2866[20:44:02] <jhutchins> vizzy_zzz: I dumped kde when 4 wanted to run four different databases just for "indexing" in kmail.
• 2867[20:44:20] <vizzy_zzz> ouch
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• 2869[20:44:31] <jhutchins> vizzy_zzz: There were ~3,000 blank entries in my contacts list for some reason, it choked on that.
• 2870[20:44:33] <vizzy_zzz> i never used kmail, i believe in seamonkey :)
• 2871[20:44:51] <turbo64> is seamonkey still good
• 2872[20:45:10] <turbo64> as far as compatibility goes
• 2873[20:45:12] <vizzy_zzz> thats what i mean: did they ask you to enable that 'feature'? if not, i would tend to call its implementation a bug :))
• 2874[20:45:36] <turbo64> im digging the new debian so far
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• 2876[20:45:41] <vizzy_zzz> turbo64, i believe in it, it still has a clear config menu, not that fancy stuff like ff has
• 2877[20:45:52] <turbo64> the packages are newer than ubuntu 17 i noticed
• 2878[20:45:55] <turbo64> yet more stable
• 2879[20:45:58] <turbo64> idk how that happened
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• 2881[20:46:28] <turbo64> well if it doesnt work with the websites i go to or the extensions i use its no go
• 2882[20:46:47] <turbo64> like ublock origin for example
• 2883[20:47:09] <vizzy_zzz> thats a thing: most plugins and extensions are compatible in code.... but if the developer doesnt put the correct version string in it, it wont install
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• 2885[20:47:33] <vizzy_zzz> but you can fake that... hehe, unpack extension, change some magic strings in a config, pack it again and install
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• 2887[20:48:03] <vizzy_zzz> but its not a problem of sm, but the developers forget about the 'original' *g*
• 2888[20:48:15] <vizzy_zzz> which has almost same codebase
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• 2894[20:49:02] <vizzy_zzz> one thing about seamonkey is also that it runs in a suite... so if your mailclient hangs... your browser hangs too
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• 2896[20:49:31] <vizzy_zzz> killing sm will close them all. btw, there is a sm clone called iceape in debian ;)
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• 2901[20:50:55] <vizzy_zzz> this package is fine to try it out. if it fits your needs it would go for the newest download, but be aware to fetch the 64bit version if needed or it wont start
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• 2933[21:04:42] <TheSin> is there a way to make an init script that stop the boot process till it's done running? I'm trying to mount etc and var to an nfs and I need that to complete before things like hostname/syslog/ssh etc startup
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• 2937[21:05:53] <greycat> In systemd, or in sysv?
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• 2939[21:06:29] <TheSin> I assuem systemd, though I'm using an init.d script ATM, but i'd happily convert to systemd if it's easier, it's on stretch
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• 2942[21:06:58] <greycat> You *really* have to know which one. This is not just "writing a script", but modifying the sequence.
• 2943[21:07:28] <somiaj> on stretch is is most likely systemd unless you went through some work to use sysvinit as the init system.
• 2944[21:07:40] <greycat> right
• 2945[21:07:47] <TheSin> well I made an init.d script cause I'm use to LSB, but it's running systemd forsure
• 2946[21:08:02] <greycat> An init.d script is not likely to do anything useful for this problem.
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• 2948[21:08:16] <TheSin> and it is starting it's jsut the nfs isn't remounted in time other thigns jsut continue
• 2949[21:08:24] <annadane> there's probably a command or file to find out like there is with /etc/debian_version
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• 2951[21:08:32] <greycat> ls -l /sbin/init
• 2952[21:08:59] <TheSin> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Jul 5 14:31 rootfs/sbin/init -> /lib/systemd/systemd
• 2953[21:10:04] <greycat> So the first question is who/where sets the hostname...
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• 2956[21:10:41] <TheSin> initla boot sets it, so etc/hostname is correct after first boot
• 2957[21:10:52] <TheSin> BUT etc needs ot mount in time for this to be helpful
• 2958[21:10:58] <greycat> No I mean precisely WHAT script or systemd unit.
• 2959[21:11:01] <greycat> Still looking.
• 2960[21:11:07] <TheSin> ah
• 2961[21:11:17] <TheSin> my guess currently is hostname-init
• 2962[21:11:44] <sIRwa2> hi, i made a folder to mount an nfs share into by fstab, but when i ls -l after boot i see this: “d????????? ? ? ? ? ? ZFS_on_One”
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• 2964[21:11:49] <TheSin> err
• 2965[21:11:51] <TheSin> hostname.sh
• 2966[21:12:02] <sIRwa2> what did i f up there?? :)
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• 2971[21:13:01] <vizzy_zzz> sIRwa2, thats how my nfs looks if theres something wrong on the host, like iscsi fckd up or so
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• 2975[21:13:37] <sIRwa2> hm.. roger
• 2976[21:13:57] <vizzy_zzz> not sure, just a guess, i saw this only once or twice, cant rememer exactly what it was
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• 2978[21:14:09] <vizzy_zzz> but check host system first to be sure its ok :)
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• 2989[21:15:40] <vizzy_zzz> sIRwa2, btw, youre running zfs? on debian? i just thought of geting some new disks and get from xfs to zfs, or put xfs in a zfs vol
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• 2991[21:15:53] <sIRwa2> yhea.. looking for a cli nfs command to see if i can access it
• 2992[21:16:17] <sIRwa2> yhea.. long time zfs user.. love it.
• 2993[21:16:32] <sIRwa2> just vm’ed everything..
• 2994[21:16:37] <vizzy_zzz> :)
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• 3000[21:17:11] <sIRwa2> its always the easiest to set up when installing from scratch
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• 3002[21:17:43] <sIRwa2> unfamiliare with xfs though.
• 3003[21:17:53] <vizzy_zzz> i just read trough a great tutorial, but some parts i dont like, or dont be sure if i like them and can live with it
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• 3005[21:18:06] <vizzy_zzz> i use xfs from the first patch available for 2.4 or so
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• 3013[21:20:44] <neirac> I'm trying to build a custom kernel, I'm getting scripts/Makefile.build:53: scripts/Makefile.lib when running make menuconfig
• 3014[21:20:52] <greycat> So on my stretch box there's a thing called systemd-hostnamed.service, and it is NOT listed in "systemctl list-dependencies", but it DOES say "Loaded: loaded ... vendor preset: enabled)" in systemctl status.
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• 3016[21:21:13] <anigma> does Debian Stretch still include debconf-i18n in the base? I am doing a debootstrap install and I would like to purge some unnecessary packages.
• 3017[21:21:17] <greycat> So maybe that's where the hostname gets set? I can't tell.
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• 3025[21:22:57] <greycat> So if you need something to trigger before the hostname is set, and *IF* systemd-hostnamed is in fact the thing that does this, then you need to arrange for your new service to be a prereq of systemd-hostnamed. And possibly other things.
• 3026[21:23:00] <sIRwa2> vizzy_zzz: i umounted en re mount-a and all is fine.. im sure the nfs server was up when the client machine booted.. maybe add a wait to fstab?
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• 3034[21:24:54] <vizzy_zzz> sIRwa2, no idea. i never mount nfs on boot, just on demand
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• 3036[21:25:23] <vizzy_zzz> because it doesnt get unmounted when i shutdown... and the pachine will hang up
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• 3038[21:25:38] <vizzy_zzz> (still a bug for years in debian)
• 3039[21:26:25] <sIRwa2> a really.. hmm maybe thats the issue here..
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• 3046[21:27:12] <sIRwa2> bummer
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• 3049[21:27:26] <vizzy_zzz> maybe rpc is not started before mount... or something like that, sounds weird *g
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• 3051[21:29:54] <netzach> Hello
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• 3053[21:30:04] <netzach> I have installed ifplugd as suggested but I still have to manually run dhclient
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• 3055[21:30:22] <vizzy_zzz> sIRwa2, use a actual debian? 9? is this fixed? does your nfs mount unmount when you shutdown ? unmount before network goes down?
• 3056[21:30:48] <vizzy_zzz> (i'm still on deb8)
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• 3060[21:31:19] <somiaj> netzach: you want an interface to be brought up with dhcp when it is plugged in?
• 3061[21:31:29] <sIRwa2> im on 9.. i dont know.. did not notice anything or payed any attention to it.. yet
• 3062[21:31:33] <TheSin> thanks greycat , I'll start there at anyrate
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• 3064[21:32:20] <netzach> somiaj: yes
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• 3066[21:32:55] <somiaj> netzach: what do you use to configure your network?
• 3067[21:33:06] <netzach> somiaj: nothing? my router does it for me
• 3068[21:33:18] <vizzy_zzz> lol
• 3069[21:33:21] <somiaj> netzach: I mean on debian, you have to use something. The interfaces file, network-manager, etc
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• 3071[21:33:43] <netzach> somiaj: if I boot up with the network cable it works by itself, if not I run dhclient on the interafce someone told me to do it here
• 3072[21:33:51] <netzach> somiaj: I don't have a desktop environment, it's just a minimal install
• 3073[21:33:56] <netzach> and I installed ifplugd cause someone told me to
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• 3076[21:34:07] <anigma> is there an available list of included base packages somewhere?
• 3077[21:34:11] <somiaj> netzach: can you share your /etc/network/interfaces file at paste.debian.net, or do you have an allow-hotplug eth0 line for your wired card, eth0?
• 3078[21:34:11] <netzach> it was configured somehow during install it asked me which network to configure and it autoconfigured it
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• 3080[21:34:26] <netzach> somiaj: I can;t right now, my debian machine is shut down
• 3081[21:34:35] <netzach> and it takes a long time to start up, it will take a while sorry
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• 3083[21:35:37] <somiaj> netzach: I would have to check your interfaces file, you can also man 5 interfaces for more info on it.
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• 3086[21:35:53] <netzach> somiaj: but how does the install configure ti then somiaj ?
• 3087[21:36:45] <somiaj> netzach: with the interfaces file, but it is nice to double check things.
• 3088[21:36:59] <netzach> I mean isn't there a specific way the debian installer configures things?
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• 3090[21:37:45] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, it detects the cards ask for auto config or static and writes a /etc/network/interfaces file
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• 3092[21:37:58] <vizzy_zzz> which says something like eth0 auto dhcp or so
• 3093[21:38:03] <netzach> I see, I did autoconfig
• 3094[21:38:15] <netzach> unfortuantely my driver renames eth0 to some longer names
• 3095[21:38:25] <netzach> IDK why, I see it during logs renaming eth0 to eth4 to other stuff
• 3096[21:38:30] <vizzy_zzz> en-ps? or so? doesnt matter
• 3097[21:38:31] <somiaj> but after the install unless you decide to use something like network-manager, the interfaces file manages your network, so I would like to see what it has there.
• 3098[21:38:34] <vizzy_zzz> its just a name
• 3099[21:38:35] <netzach> and IDK how to rename it back
• 3100[21:38:48] <somiaj> did you interface some how change mac addresses?
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• 3105[21:39:24] <netzach> somiaj: you mean the renaming?
• 3106[21:39:38] <netzach> it renames them during boot from what I figure, as part of the firmware
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• 3108[21:39:52] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, please do a #cat /etc/network/interfaces
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• 3110[21:40:17] <netzach> I'll have to boot up my computer, I am not sure I can do it now, sorry it';s heavy I have to move it from the other side of the appartment
• 3111[21:40:18] <somiaj> netzach: yes, to try to keep the names assoicated to a paticular card, if the mac address changes, debian will rename the card.
• 3112[21:40:21] <vizzy_zzz> and post it on paste.debian.net or so :)
• 3113[21:40:40] <vizzy_zzz> the output of ifconfig would be neat too
• 3114[21:40:42] <netzach> somiaj: I am not sure if it's debian that changes it, but I have names like epnsomething 01 to 04
• 3115[21:41:03] <netzach> sorry vizzy_zzz but my debian machine isn't even on network I mean I can't ssh into it yet
• 3116[21:41:28] <vizzy_zzz> so... its hard to guess ;) netzach
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• 3119[21:42:49] <netzach> vizzy_zzz: I thought there was a consistent deterministic way it is done? during the instalation
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• 3123[21:43:37] <anigma> does Debian Stretch still include debconf-i18n in the base? I am doing a debootstrap install and I would like to purge some unnecessary packages.
• 3124[21:43:44] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, is your netwoirk card always the same? onboard or pci card? or do you try out sevral usb netwiork sticks and pcmcia cards? ...
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• 3126[21:43:45] <somiaj> netzach: in that case it is using the new systemd persistant network interface naming method. Those shouldn't change unless something about your network card changes. But you should really have access to the computer you are wanting help with.
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• 3128[21:44:20] <netzach> vizzy_zzz: the issue is I want it to autoconfig dhcp when I plug in a cable
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• 3130[21:44:31] <netzach> it works when I boot with the cable plugged in but not if I plug it in later
• 3131[21:44:44] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, this shoud be fine and work out of the box....
• 3132[21:44:52] <vizzy_zzz> but hmmm
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• 3134[21:45:13] <somiaj> we can't really be of more help unless you have the info we have asked for, mostly your interfaces file.
• 3135[21:45:14] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, how long did you wait?
• 3136[21:45:23] <netzach> wait on what vizzy_zzz ?
• 3137[21:45:39] <netzach> someone here told me to install ifplugd to make hot plugging work
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• 3139[21:45:48] <vizzy_zzz> i thought if an if is configured for auto and dhcp it will run dhclient automagically after a while
• 3140[21:45:52] <netzach> and told me a minimal debian install without a GUI doesn't have hotplugging support
• 3141[21:46:05] <netzach> only if you install a desktop environment it had that
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• 3144[21:46:53] <vizzy_zzz> i mean how long did you wait after plugging in the cable?
• 3145[21:47:01] <netzach> IDK a second?
• 3146[21:47:19] <netzach> it should physically detect the plugging in pretty much imediately
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• 3148[21:47:26] <netzach> vizzy_zzz: what about ifplugd? it wasn't installed by default
• 3149[21:47:34] <turbo64> what will debian do when they run out of toy story characters to name the releases after
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• 3152[21:48:03] <turbo64> also when is debian potatohead coming out
• 3153[21:48:08] <greycat> They'll worry about that in a hundred years or so when it's actually an issue.
• 3154[21:48:13] <greycat> !Potato
• 3155[21:48:13] <dpkg> Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. replaced-url
• 3156[21:48:19] <`Kevin> netzach: as stated before, your NIC loses its IP upon physical link disconnecting. upon plugging it back in dhclient is not notified and you either have to wait for dhclient to re-request or you have to down/up the interface of use ifplugd
• 3157[21:48:21] <turbo64> oh lol
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• 3159[21:48:47] <somiaj> if it is a problem with using the link, dhcpcd maybe a better client to use
• 3160[21:48:55] <netzach> `Kevin: I installed ifplugd but it doesn't work, I still have to run dhclient, well if the lease expires that is, for example
• 3161[21:49:24] <`Kevin> netzach: did you configure it?
• 3162[21:49:32] <vizzy_zzz> maybe have to enable the ifplugd service
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• 3164[21:49:43] <netzach> is this a peculiarity of my hardware/firmware `Kevin ? or its normal
• 3165[21:49:52] <netzach> `Kevin: no? I thought it was auto configured during install
• 3166[21:50:21] <`Kevin> netzach: check /etc/default/ifplugd
• 3167[21:51:00] <netzach> my machine is turned off :(
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• 3173[21:53:44] <vizzy_zzz> netzach, turn it on!
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• 3176[21:54:01] <Dreddo> hello all
• 3177[21:54:02] <netzach> vizzy_zzz: but I can't ssh into it, I can't paste from it, I have only a terminal
• 3178[21:54:08] <netzach> how cna I paste from the terminal?
• 3179[21:54:38] <Dreddo> I comment my /etc/resolv.conf and I close bind9 demon
• 3180[21:55:09] <greycat> !pastebinit
• 3181[21:55:09] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 3185[21:55:43] <Dreddo> with wireshark I see many dns request to resolv ever same host
• 3186[21:56:04] <Dreddo> as a.doubleclick.net etc... , I have all close here no browser
• 3187[21:56:16] <`Kevin> netzach: define INTERFACE within that file, set it to the name of the interface we are talking about or set it to auto
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• 3189[21:56:25] <Dreddo> so, maybe I have some stuff of adware or similar ?
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• 3191[21:56:27] <`Kevin> INTERFACES rather
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• 3193[21:56:34] <netzach> `Kevin: sorry, what do you mean?
• 3194[21:56:45] <`Kevin> netzach: in /etc/default/ifplugd
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• 3196[21:57:29] <Dreddo> or is the dns cache try to auto-reflash ?
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• 3200[21:59:15] <netzach> ok another question, how do I configure networking bonding over dhcp?
• 3201[21:59:22] <netzach> I have to yhave 2 ethernet cables to my switch, bonded
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• 3221[22:09:27] <cluelessperson> what's the best hypervisor to install in debian?
• 3222[22:09:31] <tremon> in short, you don't
• 3223[22:09:43] <cluelessperson> tremon: ?
• 3224[22:09:48] <cluelessperson> can you elaboate?
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• 3226[22:09:58] <tremon> sorry, I was responding to netzach, not you
• 3227[22:10:18] <tremon> dhcp is link-level configuration, there is no way to tell a dhcp client to bond multiple MACs
• 3228[22:10:45] <tremon> because by the time the dhcp client starts, the single link has already been configured
• 3229[22:10:48] <cluelessperson> ah
• 3230[22:11:13] <tremon> cluelessperson: the answer to your question is "kvm"
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• 3233[22:11:56] <tremon> you can use any of the libvirt clients to manage it (ovirt, libvirt-bin)
• 3234[22:12:39] <abff> is it just me or is ftp.ca.debian.org timing out
• 3235[22:12:47] <cluelessperson> tremon: yeah, I'm looking at kvm, but lxd claims to have like 14.5 times the density?
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• 3238[22:12:53] <vizzy_zzz> tremon, cant you bon devices and then fake amac and use that IF for dhcp?
• 3239[22:12:56] <greycat> It's got 2 IPs...
• 3240[22:13:07] <cluelessperson> tremon: testing
• 3241[22:13:15] <cluelessperson> not so far it's not timing out.
• 3242[22:13:18] <cluelessperson> abff: ^
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• 3244[22:13:20] <greycat> Well, 4 if you count ipv6. The 2 ipv4s both ping for me.
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• 3246[22:13:50] <abff> oh there it goes
• 3247[22:13:59] <abff> apt took a bout 2 minutes to get update info from it
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• 3249[22:14:02] <tremon> vizzy_zzz: sure, you can, but that still requires you two statically configure the bonding first. And if you already need static configuration, there's not much benefit to dhcp imho
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• 3252[22:14:27] <vizzy_zzz> tremon, i understand :)
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• 3254[22:14:48] <tremon> cluelessperson: lxd is not a "hypervisor" despite their claims
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• 3256[22:15:08] <tremon> it's a container manager. It cannot host multiple OS kernels
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• 3263[22:16:18] <vizzy_zzz> tremon, but if once configured bonding device, i could plug in x cables to a switch and get more bandwith, just in case i have 4 usb 100mbps devices and two pcmcia fast ehernet cards and no gigabit is available :))
• 3264[22:16:30] <turbo64> is there a mozilla kde integration package for debian
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• 3267[22:16:43] <vizzy_zzz> iceape
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• 3272[22:16:51] <vizzy_zzz> @ turbo64
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• 3274[22:16:54] <turbo64> there was one on opensuse that makes it use dolphin instead of the horrible gnome file browser
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• 3281[22:17:34] <vizzy_zzz> turbo64, or what do you mean with 'mozilla'?
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• 3286[22:18:20] <tremon> vizzy_zzz: sure, as long as the switch supports it (if the switch doesn't, you still get only one link per MAC address -- useful for virtualization, not for aggregating for speed
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• 3288[22:18:25] <turbo64> firefox and thunderbird are no longer desktop agnostic and use the gnome filebrowser instead of the kde one
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• 3291[22:18:40] <vizzy_zzz> tremon, use a HUB :))
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• 3293[22:18:40] <turbo64> opensuse fixed this by having a package called kmozillahelper
• 3294[22:18:47] <turbo64> and i think they have it on ubuntu too
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• 3298[22:18:53] <teraflops> turbo64: if you dont like gtk stop using gtk apps :S
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• 3306[22:19:12] <turbo64> well unfortunately there arent any good non-gtk browsers
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• 3311[22:19:32] <vizzy_zzz> gnj8, have a spacey time
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• 3315[22:19:40] * tremon is still waiting on the palemoon qt port
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• 3322[22:20:35] <turbo64> every developer needs to abandon gtk imo
• 3323[22:20:52] <turbo64> let the gnome people have it, since that seems to be what they want
• 3324[22:20:59] <teraflops> turbo64: I think you cal also get valuable info from replaced-url
• 3325[22:21:27] <turbo64> kde already has great gtk integration
• 3326[22:21:31] <turbo64> right out of the box
• 3327[22:21:32] <teraflops> turbo64: this is not the right place for your gtk racism :P
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• 3330[22:21:37] <turbo64> its just firefox that is problematic
• 3331[22:21:40] <yepla> escuse me guys why nvidia driver is not up to date on non-free repository ?
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• 3333[22:21:54] <greycat> !stable
• 3334[22:21:54] <dpkg> [stable] The status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or version-bumped, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Stretch (9.0); ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the stable version (ask me about <security backports>). replaced-url
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• 3337[22:22:14] <teraflops> turbo64: dont use ff
• 3338[22:22:21] <greycat> If stretch was frozen with a specific version of nvidia-whatever, that's what it has.
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• 3340[22:22:28] <turbo64> i dont like chrome
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• 3343[22:22:41] <teraflops> chrome uses gtk too, stop using it
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• 3345[22:23:03] <greycat> They both switched to gtk3 within a few months of each other, I think.
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• 3347[22:23:07] <yepla> i m using testing and proprietary driver are old !
• 3348[22:23:12] <teraflops> greycat: yep
• 3349[22:23:28] <greycat> The only reason I know they switched is because it broke my "use emacs key bindings in text/entry fields" setting and I had to look up how to make it work again.
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• 3352[22:23:42] <somiaj> yepla: so? Is your hardware so new you need a newer version than avialable?
• 3353[22:23:47] <turbo64> the only decent qt web browser is konqueror and it doesnt support extensions and its incompatible with a lot of web apps
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• 3360[22:24:04] <yepla> somiaj: i m just asking why there are not the last one
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• 3593[22:27:01] <somiaj> yepla: it takes time to take the non-free blob and make a debian package out of it. Depending on what the matainers (volunteers) are doing it sometimes takes a bit. If using testing you have to wait.
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• 3597[22:27:12] <judd> Package: nvidia-kernel-dkms on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 304.131-1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; stretch/non-free: 375.66-2~deb9u1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1~bpo8+1; stretch-proposed-updates/non-free: 375.82-1~deb9u1; buster/non-free: 375.82-1; sid/non-free: 375.82-3; experimental/non-free: 381.22-2
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• 3641[22:34:10] <nutron> Hey guys, looking at a backup volume that does incremental backups which works very well. I'm looking to see if there's an on-the fly compression option for a filesystem in linux without too much hassle. Does this exist?
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• 3648[22:36:07] <tremon> btrfs can do file-based compression
• 3649[22:36:21] <teraflops> and incremental snapshots
• 3650[22:36:22] <nutron> I've heard, but is it production ready yet?
• 3651[22:36:23] <tremon> not sure how reliable it is
• 3652[22:36:29] <teraflops> nutron: it is
• 3653[22:36:41] <jhutchins> nutron: That can be very dangerous if the filesystem reports more capacity than it actually has because it's over-optimistic about compression.
• 3654[22:37:37] <nutron> Hmm. I'll have to poke around with BTRFS now. Is it all of its tools and such available in stretch?
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• 3657[22:38:20] <teraflops> of course
• 3658[22:38:21] <tremon> ,v btrfs-progs
• 3659[22:38:22] <judd> Package: btrfs-progs on amd64 -- jessie-backports: 4.7.3-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.7.3-1; stretch-backports: 4.9.1-1~bpo9+1; buster: 4.12-1; sid: 4.12-1
• 3660[22:38:28] <teraflops> nutron: replaced-url
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• 3666[22:39:05] <nutron> Ok, great, yeah I was already on that page. So that seems to be the only real available solution at this point?
• 3667[22:39:19] <teraflops> idk
• 3668[22:39:24] <tremon> it's the only on-demand option fafaik
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• 3674[22:43:25] <annadane> bit of a stupid question but is nofail used for several commands or is it specific to one?
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• 3679[22:45:02] <tesko> anyone know anything about how to get netflix or amazon video to play in any browser?
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• 3682[22:45:35] <nkuttler> amazon works for me in firefox
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• 3684[22:46:04] <tesko> it tells me i have to install widevine
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• 3686[22:46:09] <nkuttler> right
• 3687[22:46:24] <nkuttler> if you want to watch drm'd stuff, you need a drm module..
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• 3691[22:46:40] <tesko> and i dunno where it is .. aint in firefox extentions
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• 3693[22:46:45] <msl09> netflix also works on firefox
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• 3699[22:47:00] <nkuttler> just use your favorite search engine
• 3700[22:47:09] <tesko> ok
• 3701[22:47:20] <turbo64> replaced-url
• 3702[22:47:21] <msl09> I think you have to enable a flag in firefox
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• 3704[22:47:48] <msl09> it's been a long time
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• 3706[22:48:09] <nkuttler> ah, right.. some flag and then ff auto-downloads it
• 3707[22:48:23] <nkuttler> (iirc)
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• 3714[22:50:49] <amd_0x51> hey guys, what is a good lightweight, secure browser that some of you might recommend?
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• 3717[22:51:24] <amd_0x51> probably get that question a lot in here so sorry for that. JUst figured the best guys to ask would be in here
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• 3719[22:51:40] <annadane> amd_0x51, firefox is pretty much the universal recommendation
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• 3721[22:51:46] <annadane> amd_0x51, in debian it's packaged under firefox-esr
• 3722[22:52:06] <amd_0x51> yes I am using it but it just a little laggy for me
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• 3724[22:52:23] <amd_0x51> I have tried a few things to lighten loads. Could just be my pc
• 3725[22:52:28] <annadane> hm, i suppose you could also try chromium
• 3726[22:52:34] <amd_0x51> thought I'd try something different
• 3727[22:52:51] <annadane> or alternatively, you can use a newer version of firefox, which has things like multiprocess
• 3728[22:52:57] <amd_0x51> yes that is okay but I try not to use google too much
• 3729[22:53:07] <annadane> which can speed it up a bit; not packaged for debian, you'd need to get it from mozilla's site
• 3730[22:53:32] <amd_0x51> would this make my system a "frankendebian"?
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• 3732[22:54:04] <annadane> no, it's not a .deb, you can just put it in your home folder, although you should be careful because different versions of firefox share directories
• 3733[22:54:12] <annadane> you'd need to make it seperate somehow and i forget how you do that
• 3734[22:54:29] <amd_0x51> that shouldn't be a problem I'll see how it goes
• 3735[22:54:31] <amd_0x51> thanks!
• 3736[22:54:42] <annadane> amd_0x51, the directory in question being .mozilla
• 3737[22:54:47] <annadane> (which is a hidden file in your home directory)
• 3738[22:54:53] <annadane> s/file/directory
• 3739[22:55:02] <amd_0x51> yeah I could manage that quite easily
• 3740[22:55:06] <amd_0x51> thanks
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• 3745[22:56:37] <turbo64> if you find yourself asking how to install ppas in debian
• 3746[22:56:41] <turbo64> its time to just install ubuntu
• 3747[22:56:57] <amd_0x51> i am not asking that
• 3748[22:57:01] <amd_0x51> but thanks anyway.
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• 3751[22:57:26] <turbo64> oh i thoug8ht thats what you meant when you said frankendebian
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• 3753[22:57:49] <turbo64> if you just mean using 3rd party repos that are actually made for debian, thats not going to mess things up
• 3754[22:58:04] <annadane> in the case of firefox it's not even a seperate repo
• 3755[22:58:07] <tesko> nkuttler: thanks for the help :)
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• 3757[22:58:21] <annadane> if you really want to read about frankendebian there's replaced-url
• 3758[22:58:40] <amd_0x51> I have been through that, thank you
• 3759[22:59:17] <turbo64> personally i dont have a problem with using make install
• 3760[22:59:29] <turbo64> because its not hard for me to find all the files and remove them manually if i want to
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• 3762[22:59:48] <turbo64> its all in /usr/local so its not like its mixed in with everything else
• 3763[23:00:03] <annadane> i know there's a program that collects all the make files and puts them into a single package
• 3764[23:00:07] <annadane> i forget what it's called
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• 3766[23:00:45] <tesko> tar
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• 3768[23:00:48] <tesko> ?
• 3769[23:00:51] <annadane> not tar
• 3770[23:00:53] <greycat> stow?
• 3771[23:01:15] <Tramp> !checkinstall
• 3772[23:01:15] <dpkg> CheckInstall is a program that tracks all files installed by "make install" (or equivalent), creates a Debian (or other) package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. replaced-url
• 3773[23:01:25] <annadane> checkinstall, right
• 3774[23:01:31] <murdoc`> Can anyone tell me why a lot of the Debian pages, including the one annadane just posted, always come back with 403 pages for me?
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• 3778[23:02:37] <greycat> I don't think anyone in this channel ever figured out why *some* people have problems with the Debian wiki when nobody else does.
• 3779[23:03:20] <annadane> i know the wiki blocks some people using a vpn
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• 3782[23:03:30] <annadane> it may be related to the issue murdoc's having
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• 3791[23:05:34] <greycat> Hmm, bts has a pseudopackage wiki.debian.org for bugs with the wiki.
• 3792[23:05:41] <annadane> amd_0x51, i was told there's also a way within firefox to select what profile it starts under
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• 3882[23:44:21] * greycat the procrastinator extraordinaire uncovers bug #815950
• 3883[23:44:22] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3884[23:46:02] *** dysfigur- is now known as dysfigured
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• 3902[23:58:03] <mirk0> I want to add 32bit architecture with dpkg, my architecture is amd64, which architecture is 32bit and corresponds to amd64?
• 3903[23:58:15] <greycat> mirk0: dpkg --add-architecture i386
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• 3906[23:58:18] <greycat> !multiarch
• 3907[23:58:19] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 3908[23:58:22] <kion> I am installing Debian 9 on a laptop, when I get to the install base system, a red screen with message "Debootstrap Error" failed to determine the codename for the release
• 3909[23:58:28] <kion> what is that?
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• 3911[23:59:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1644
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