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• 17[00:12:48] <c-c> Is gaming/steam off-topic here?
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• 19[00:13:20] <c-c> I mean, is building a debian stretch gaming/steam system off-topic here?
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• 23[00:14:08] <Tybor> Is there a suggested way to get firefox nightly on Debian? Lastest version I could grasp with apt is 55
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• 25[00:14:31] <c-c> because I want to test building a dedicated debian gamingsystem and play 'duskers' on it
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• 27[00:15:18] <artyx> I am trying to boot a wheezy-based installer in a kvm console ... I wrote the iso to the block device, set it as the boot point. turned on the vm. and i can see hte installer begin.. but it does not recognize any of the block devices ... I can see libvirt somewhere under /pool .. how do i start the installer forcing the virtualized guest options (commercial host, no access to virt-install)
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• 31[00:16:10] <c-c> Tybor: you can just build the package, then run checkinstall, and then install the resulting .deb package
• 32[00:16:33] <c-c> replaced-url
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• 36[00:18:22] <amd_0x51> hey guys might be daft question, sorry to bother on a saturday. I used to get "mail" when I apt-get upgrade. just explaining what was updating
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• 38[00:19:00] <amd_0x51> i havn't for a while I can't figure out why. How can I reset it so that I see why what is upgrading, is upgrading?
• 39[00:19:06] <tesko> mail for root?
• 40[00:19:10] <c-c> artyx: this channel is for stretch/stable afaics
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• 42[00:19:13] <artyx> apt-get upgrade 2>&1 | mail blah ?
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• 44[00:19:36] <artyx> stretch/stable? stable i get. stretch is new version?
• 45[00:19:41] <amd_0x51> it just used to tell me before I selected y/n
• 46[00:19:45] <c-c> stretch is current stable
• 47[00:19:51] <amd_0x51> hmm maybe it was only for very important updates
• 48[00:19:54] <amd_0x51> security etc
• 49[00:20:17] <artyx> c-c .. any suggestions on the right place to ask? Or any good pointers to a decent "build your own iso from debian source code"
• 50[00:20:36] <c-c> amd_0x51: apt doesn't have that
• 51[00:21:10] <c-c> artyx: #linux. wheezy is ancient
• 52[00:21:17] <c-c> artyx: my recommendation: update
• 53[00:21:21] <artyx> amd_0x51 .. you can duplicate the effect with tee .. for everytihng before the yes .. I would probably just force a do not upgrade flag .. redirect stderr to stdout .. and then mail stdout to myself
• 54[00:21:29] <c-c> artyx: sorry, ##linux
• 55[00:21:41] <artyx> c-c: it's a vendor distribution built on wheezy, i have no choice ... (IMS .. big applicaiton server package)
• 56[00:22:00] <amd_0x51> hmm strange. I vaguely remember it giving me info on updates at one point.
• 57[00:22:03] <amd_0x51> not to matter
• 58[00:22:13] <amd_0x51> I'll continue to follow the mailing lists
• 59[00:22:48] <amd_0x51> ah great. I will try that artyx
• 60[00:22:50] <amd_0x51> thanks
• 61[00:23:06] <c-c> artyx: sounds like you need to look at kvm or your virtualization solution instead
• 62[00:23:12] <tesko> if you know cobol and/or fortran you can make big money programming software for big business machines
• 63[00:23:23] <Tybor> c-c: thanks :) I'll try mozilla's plain tarball before :)
• 64[00:23:39] <Tybor> c-c: I'm lazy
• 65[00:23:46] <c-c> tesko: - if you also have a time machine to go back 10 years
• 66[00:24:08] <tesko> those languages are still used today c-c
• 67[00:24:35] <c-c> these days they just throw a 3 consults and a fancy new programming language at it
• 68[00:24:52] <c-c> +team
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• 71[00:25:38] <c-c> So, anyone here run steam on their debian?
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• 73[00:26:03] <c-c> I'm wondering what steps to take towards getting a gaming debian box together
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• 75[00:27:36] <tesko> ive tried to get people to switch over to linux starting with some form of ubuntu, debian or some other easy transition linux
• 76[00:27:40] <c-c> looks like theres already a steam package in non-free repos
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• 79[00:28:24] <tesko> i wanna play brutal halflife
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• 84[00:29:35] <c-c> tesko: I have bit of a gas for 'duskers'
• 85[00:29:40] <murdoc`> amd_0x51: Have you tried apt-listchanges?
• 86[00:29:46] <artyx> c-c .. Yes/no ... the kvm supplier supports the loading of custom iso's. but this old distribution fails to recognize the virt block devices on startup.. so i'm now wondeirng what would be required to get it virtio compliant...
• 87[00:29:55] <c-c> tesko: also, EUIV
• 88[00:30:21] <artyx> Heck, it may be easier to just mount hte iso to a vendor supplied kernel and install the packages into teh system manually from the install script. I'm thinking
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• 90[00:30:48] <c-c> artyx: well, define 'it' first - is it a fs, kernel or installer issue
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• 95[00:31:24] <tesko> euiv?
• 96[00:31:31] <Loshki> EasyTransition. Now *that's* a distro name...
• 97[00:31:33] <amd_0x51> no I did not think about that. JUst manned apt-listchanges. Perfect. Thanks murdoc`
• 98[00:31:39] <cruncher> amd_0x51, you mean probably apt-listbugs, its the only thing i can think of that asks you with y/n, but its not for "selecting" what to install, and if you got "mail", probably apt-listchanges?
• 99[00:31:51] <c-c> tesko europa universalis IV is a nation building game
• 100[00:32:22] <amd_0x51> yes I didn't explain myself properly. I should have just said. I want to know what the change is for and why without checking my emails for the bug track
• 101[00:32:40] <amd_0x51> thanks for the help guys I got it sorted thanks to your help
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• 103[00:32:46] <amd_0x51> enjoy your weekend everyone.
• 104[00:32:50] <artyx> c-c .. the installer fails to recognize the block device configured with the iso file dd'd to it. The stage1 works, but it cannot get past that. I'm assuming (big word there) that the issue is related to the fact the kernel rollout is from 2013 .. and that virtio may not be compliant with a patched up to date kvm host
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• 107[00:33:35] <artyx> Since i am a consumer of the kvm service, .. i have no configuraiton ability on the host. so its sortof black box. I can say that no devices were recognized by the installe r with either para-virtualized hardware OR fully virtualized hardware (read ide)
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• 109[00:35:10] <artyx> so ... I probably need to look at all the requisites built into stage1 ... and replace with either statically linked compiles with everything up to date. or muck around with a new install from the vendor, then just import the debian packages for the install .. which will probalby have versioning inconsistencies
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• 112[00:35:52] <artyx> Thats daywork, dont worry. unless you like to fiddle im not a stranger to the next part .. I just dont like engaging in this level of misery
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• 118[00:36:26] <c-c> mehh
• 119[00:36:38] <artyx> so very much agreed
• 120[00:37:11] <artyx> I was hoping there would have been a quick fix like "Oh yeah. you just built a paravirtual driver floppy img and away you go" ..but no
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• 127[00:39:16] <c-c> I'm on the fence with the gaming box. Whether to try the SteamOS path, or go with Debian Stable
• 128[00:39:59] <tesko> debian stable
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• 130[00:40:33] <buu> gaming.. with debian stable?
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• 133[00:41:16] <c-c> buu yes, debian stable + wine/steam packages, and just plain native
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• 135[00:41:25] <tesko> works with Doom
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• 138[00:41:45] <c-c> and Dward Fortress 2, and Europa Universalis IV
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• 141[00:42:40] <Eduard_Munteanu> Hm, let's see if anything changed and Steam provides an authenticated download for its client.
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• 144[00:43:06] <tesko> any pgp key?
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• 146[00:43:47] <dtux> what's the easiest way to set up a guest account?
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• 148[00:44:27] <tesko> adduser
• 149[00:45:01] <somiaj> Eduard_Munteanu: for what its worth, steam updated just fine for me a day or two ago in stretch.
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• 152[00:45:25] <c-c> interesting
• 153[00:45:37] <tesko> then you can read the manual to remove a user
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• 155[00:46:06] <Eduard_Munteanu> somiaj, hm, I could just get it from stretch, they probably didn't check it either but I can double check.
• 156[00:46:21] <c-c> from stretch non-free
• 157[00:46:22] <Eduard_Munteanu> I'm not even sure they authenticate the downloads the client makes, though.
• 158[00:46:45] <dtux> tesko: i was hoping for something that would reset / empty out the guest user's home dir after logout
• 159[00:47:03] <tesko> oh well that i dunno
• 160[00:47:54] <Eduard_Munteanu> It's seriously annoying they can't get the crypto right in 2017. :(
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• 162[00:49:36] <amd_0x51> that is interesting Eduard_Munteanu
• 163[00:49:40] <c-c> dtux: so perhaps have a script wipe the home dir?
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• 165[00:49:48] <amd_0x51> probably a bad thing I have never thought about it too.
• 166[00:50:15] <tesko> dtux open a terminal window and type man adduser
• 167[00:50:21] <tesko> no
• 168[00:50:24] <tesko> wait
• 169[00:50:31] <tesko> man 8 deluser
• 170[00:51:32] <Eduard_Munteanu> It also doesn't help that "modern" desktop OSes are almost completely insecure with respect to running arbitrary code.
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• 174[00:52:24] * Eduard_Munteanu wonders if there's even a convenient SAK key with Wayland and all
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• 177[00:53:19] <c-c> Looks like Steam OS is based on jessie and needs 250 GB of disk. I think I'll go with Debian Stable + steam package route for my game box.
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• 179[00:53:46] <amd_0x51> it *needs* 250?
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• 181[00:53:51] <amd_0x51> wow.
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• 183[00:54:14] <c-c> well thats listed in the hw requirements
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• 186[00:55:11] <c-c> Is there a way to install debian from within debian?
• 187[00:55:43] <Eduard_Munteanu> c-c, manually installing with (c)debootstrap
• 188[00:56:01] <Eduard_Munteanu> c-c, or you can use a VM
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• 190[00:56:23] <c-c> hm, maybe something I can write on the mounted volume, then boot into it?
• 191[00:57:05] <Eduard_Munteanu> c-c, I don't think there are any OS images per se, except perhaps for small cloud deployments.
• 192[00:57:30] <c-c> I was thinking more of a installer.. I guess the debian image is it
• 193[00:57:47] <Eduard_Munteanu> c-c, yeah, you have to boot it, though.
• 194[00:58:29] <Eduard_Munteanu> Unless you mean just writing the install media from within Debian, which is actually fairly common.
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• 196[00:59:01] <c-c> I guess its going to be simplest to just copy the debian iso image on the tgt volume, then boot into it from grub
• 197[01:00:01] <somiaj> c-c: read the install guide, it has options from isntalling from an existing os (that isn't deboot strap)
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• 199[01:00:10] <somiaj> though deboostrap works too
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• 201[01:00:39] <Eduard_Munteanu> Interesting, I wasn't aware.
• 202[01:00:57] <somiaj> Eduard_Munteanu: yea I would use the package in debian, it will download and install the current steam client in $HOME
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• 205[01:01:24] <amd_0x51> that is what I use
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• 207[01:01:47] <amd_0x51> although as I mentioned before I can't play doom/quake. Need to use other ports of those games
• 208[01:01:57] <amd_0x51> I am limited to half life
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• 210[01:02:14] <paxcoder> Hey, did anyone run Debian on POWER9, or can tell me more about the support for the architecture?
• 211[01:02:14] <somiaj> Here is the deboostrap instructions replaced-url
• 212[01:02:52] <somiaj> replaced-url
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• 215[01:03:07] <somiaj> paxcoder: is POWER9 a powerppc arch?
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• 218[01:03:48] <somiaj> amd_0x51: I would double check what libaries those games need. I expect you can get them to work. I do find I am sometimes missing libaries games require with steam though. I don't run those games, but haven't run across one that didn't work.
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• 220[01:04:00] <somiaj> (though many take work)
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• 222[01:04:24] <c-c> somiaj: yes, I was looking at the deboostrap. I don't know why that isn't appealing to me...
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• 224[01:04:49] <somiaj> c-c: it is not nearly as automated as the installer, you have to do a lot of the installer stuff manually.
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• 227[01:04:57] <somiaj> c-c: but if you don't have a cd/usb to boot from, it will work.
• 228[01:05:06] <somiaj> c-c: you can also look into booting the installer from the harddisk.
• 229[01:05:09] <c-c> from there I went looking at replaced-url
• 230[01:05:15] <amd_0x51> yes I can't remember the error it threw out at me but I did some research and it is doable. However, the latest version (at least for me in jessie) wont even give you the option to install any other game
• 231[01:05:22] <amd_0x51> somiaj: ^
• 232[01:05:31] <somiaj> c-c: replaced-url
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• 257[01:24:47] <paxcoder> !power9
• 258[01:24:57] <paxcoder> dpkg: power9
• 259[01:24:57] <dpkg> paxcoder: bugger all, i dunno
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• 280[01:34:16] <chomwitt> trying to downgrade pulseaudio apt will remove many many packages!! downgrading isnt so easy..
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• 282[01:35:15] <chomwitt> is there a more easy way to undo a previous partial system update?
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• 287[01:40:22] <coruja> chomwitt, paste apt's output
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• 289[01:40:38] <coruja> !paste
• 290[01:40:38] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 293[01:42:30] <chomwitt> coruja: while apt-cache policy pulseaudio show an older version , aptitude does not
• 294[01:42:35] <qwebirc730839> a
• 295[01:43:13] <chomwitt> maybe if aptitude could install the older version would downgrade automatically all the updates based on newer pulseaudio?
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• 305[01:51:29] <coruja> chomwitt, do you want ppl here to make wild guesses or to really try to help?
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• 307[01:52:03] <coruja> !bat
• 308[01:52:03] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 350[02:14:32] <BlakBat> I have the weirdest bug ever... I was on bfmtv.fr (no ssl), tabbed back to reddit, right clicked select text to search on google.com. and now I have a SSL error on google.com (replaced-url
• 351[02:15:13] <BlakBat> I understand that this is probably a FF bug, but does anyone know how I could fix this asap? I'm using Firefox ESR on buster
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• 355[02:17:12] <klys> blakbat, http;//replaced-url
• 356[02:17:22] <klys> er
• 357[02:17:35] <klys> blakbat, replaced-url
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• 372[02:23:33] <BlakBat> yep
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• 374[02:23:46] <BlakBat> currently on bugzilla reporting it
• 375[02:24:13] <BlakBat> replaced-url
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• 412[03:01:13] <BlakBat> even if I create another Firefox Profile (didn't delete the old one), restart with no plugins... still happens.
• 413[03:01:26] <BlakBat> going to bed, going to try to figure this one out tomorrow
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• 428[03:09:30] <mrr0butt> sources with cuda support wont build because of cuda 8 toolkit doesnt support gcc & g++ version in stretch.
• 429[03:09:51] <mrr0butt> and build script prompts this: ERROR: No supported gcc/g++ host compiler found, but clang-3.8 is available.
• 430[03:09:51] <mrr0butt> Use 'nvcc -ccbin clang-3.8' to use that instead.
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• 437[03:18:09] <mrr0butt> is there a way to force clang and clang++ instead of gcc and g++ for the build
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• 441[03:19:44] <mrr0butt> or change nvcc config to use clang and not gcc
• 442[03:19:56] <mrr0butt> by default?
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• 498[03:41:50] <Hawkheart> hey, I'm trying to move from proprietary drivers (amdgpu-pro) to free drivers ("plain" amdgpu). It's sort of working right now -- system boots, I can log in, but nothing relying on OpenGL works. any ideas?
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• 500[03:42:16] <LiENUS> how do i accomplish the equivalent of the old ntpdate pool.debian.org in stretch?
• 501[03:43:33] <abrotman> Hawkheart: I assume you've installed teh firmware?
• 502[03:43:39] <abrotman> LiENUS: use ntpdate ?
• 503[03:44:23] <LiENUS> abrotman, stretch uses systemd
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• 546[04:13:38] <metaphysician> BlakBat: can happen due to wrong date-time on your system.
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• 548[04:14:09] <rue_mohr_> X is unable to automagically configure itself, I have no X it errors out with "no screens" can anyone help me track this down?
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• 550[04:14:28] <rue_mohr_> I'm limited cause I'm on a text terminal
• 551[04:14:57] <rue_mohr_> from what I can tell there is config stuff comming from somewhere, but I cant tell where
• 552[04:15:03] <rue_mohr_> and its broken
• 553[04:16:04] <rue_mohr_> it was so much easier when it was just xorg.conf
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• 571[04:26:27] <rue_mohr_> the nvidia driver seems to be a maze, anyone know how a dumb user would be directed to do this?
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• 573[04:26:44] <rue_mohr_> I'm sure I dont have to link directories and compile a new kernel
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• 575[04:27:02] <rue_mohr_> might, but I'm sure there is a button somewhere
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• 579[04:27:59] <rue_mohr_> or, better question, where should /lib/modules/4.9...pae/build point to?
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• 581[04:30:34] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: there's a package to do the nvidia nonsense
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• 585[04:31:19] <coruja> replaced-url
• 586[04:31:21] <rue_mohr_> abrotman ok...
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• 588[04:31:40] <rue_mohr_> I dont have a web browser, cause I'm on a text terminal, remember? X dosn't wori
• 589[04:31:42] <rue_mohr_> work
• 590[04:32:12] <coruja> then install a cli web browser
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• 592[04:32:31] <rue_mohr_> I installed nvidia-driver but its a virtual package that just has documentation
• 593[04:33:27] <rue_mohr_> I installed an nvidia-kernel package but its source that dosn't want to compile cause its missing a directory that I dont know where to point
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• 596[04:33:53] <rue_mohr_> aaaand it looks like there is no SOURCE package for the debian kernel, so, I'm running out of guesses
• 597[04:34:19] <rue_mohr_> maybe linus wont allow debian to mirror a kernel source?
• 598[04:34:26] <rue_mohr_> as a deb
• 599[04:34:32] <coruja> missing linux-headers-$arch?
• 600[04:34:41] <rue_mohr_> I have the headers
• 601[04:35:03] <rue_mohr_> I dont think thats what the nvidia-kernel package wants
• 602[04:35:12] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: you're doing it wrong ..
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• 604[04:35:20] <rue_mohr_> but I have no idea where this build directory is supposed to point to
• 605[04:35:23] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: install a text browser, read the URL above
• 606[04:35:41] <rue_mohr_> how the hell am I supposed to GET THAT URL to it?
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• 608[04:35:52] <rue_mohr_> remember and flip back and forth 40 times?
• 609[04:35:53] <x032cx> foo walks into a bar and foo gets a tea spoon of heroin with each mug of beer - gota love these english bars
• 610[04:36:30] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: or google?
• 611[04:36:34] <abrotman> dpkg: tell rue_mohr_ about nvidia dkms
• 612[04:36:54] <rue_mohr_> most websites wont work under firefox, you really expect them to work with lynx?
• 613[04:37:01] <abrotman> yes, the wiki would
• 614[04:37:12] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: see what the bot told you
• 615[04:38:11] <rue_mohr_> dkms...
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• 617[04:38:51] <rue_mohr_> already newest version...
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• 620[04:39:28] <rue_mohr_> and since when did restarting a system become a way to reload a config?
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• 624[04:41:37] <rue_mohr_> didn't know till just now that bitchx has no scrollback buffer...
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• 626[04:42:20] <abrotman> you'd have to configure it
• 627[04:42:32] <abrotman> or use anything else, because anything else is better
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• 767[06:07:25] <Ritalin> I AM NOT AUTISTIC
• 768[06:07:32] <Ritalin> WHY DOES EVERYONE THINK I AM AUTISTIC?
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• 818[06:50:02] <chomwitt> !bat
• 819[06:50:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 833[07:10:09] <cluelessperson> hey guys, I'm sorry to bother you, but I accidetntally deleted this rule from iptables
• 834[07:10:12] <cluelessperson> ufw-before-logging-input all -- anywhere anywhere
• 835[07:10:22] <cluelessperson> it was the first rule of the INPUT chain, how do I add it back?
• 836[07:11:17] <eventhorizon> cluelessperson: was that rule added automatically by ufw?
• 837[07:13:13] <cluelessperson> eventhorizon: I believe so
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• 840[07:14:38] <eventhorizon> cluelessperson: try restarting ufw and see if it works
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• 842[07:15:24] <cluelessperson> eventhorizon: it did not add it back
• 843[07:16:20] <cluelessperson> eventhorizon: actually, thanks, I think I can just reinstall ufw
• 844[07:16:26] <cluelessperson> and copy the ruser rules over
• 845[07:16:26] <cluelessperson> thanks
• 846[07:16:41] <eventhorizon> ok
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• 849[07:18:29] <cluelessperson> eventhorizon: the rule is back. Thanks!
• 850[07:18:35] * cluelessperson should take the time to learn iptables
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• 906[08:07:52] <Antoninus> I'm trying to install wine-gecko using these instructions, but it fails. Help? replaced-url
• 907[08:08:35] <somiaj> Antoninus: I just let wine download it and install it in $WINE_PREFIX
• 908[08:08:57] <somiaj> for some reason I think there is a patch in the debian wine packages that it won't look for Gecko or Mono in the normal places
• 909[08:09:04] <Antoninus> somiaj, the "do you want to install gecko/mono" dialog doesn't appear for me
• 910[08:09:33] <somiaj> I think it only appears once or after you upgrade wine.
• 911[08:09:41] <somiaj> try it with a new wine prefix.
• 912[08:09:58] <somiaj> WINEPREFIX="/home/user/.wine-test" winecfg
• 913[08:10:09] <Antoninus> somiaj, I'm trying it on a new prefix
• 914[08:10:31] <somiaj> I haven't used the debian wine packages in a long time, I just slightly recall some issue with them and gecko.
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• 916[08:11:14] <somiaj> Antoninus: and you have tried copying the .msi file you download for the correct version of wine in the location it gives under Debug info
• 917[08:11:32] <somiaj> $WINEPREFIX/drive_c/windows/system32/gecko/version
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• 925[08:13:56] <Antoninus> somiaj, nevermind. It *was* manually installing, but I wasn't looking for it in the right place.
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• 927[08:14:09] <Antoninus> It kinda sucks that I have to *manually* install them in the first place :(
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• 932[08:19:08] <somiaj> How wine uses those extra things in debian has always been an issue. Debian use to provide packages, but the matainers wern't able to keep them updated and ensure they matched the version of wine isntalled
• 933[08:19:25] <somiaj> I find installing them in $WINEPREFIX just fine, unsure why the debian package doens't do this automatically. I buidl myh own package
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• 948[08:43:50] <AkQ> Hi ! i'm avid debian server user and i just re-installed my Debian to my VPS but i can't get mumble-server to work :/ the #mumble is dead so i'm asking here as well :o
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• 950[08:44:12] <AkQ> LOG file: replaced-url
• 951[08:44:39] <AkQ> i don't know what to do :/ i did change the permissions to 777 for the mumble-server.sqlite
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• 974[09:05:12] <tvm> this looks like problem with the app itself
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• 976[09:05:37] <macbook> hallo cok pie kabare
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• 978[09:05:49] <buu> AkQ: did you upgrade something recently?
• 979[09:05:59] <macbook> ngeleh madang
• 980[09:06:00] <AkQ> i did complete clean install of Debian 9
• 981[09:06:07] <macbook> yes
• 982[09:06:17] <buu> Where did the sqlite database come from?
• 983[09:06:38] <AkQ> buu i had it in my previous installation, i backed it up
• 984[09:06:47] <macbook> you can install on repo
• 985[09:06:58] <buu> AkQ: It seems slightly busted
• 986[09:07:03] <AkQ> :o
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• 988[09:07:17] <AkQ> it was working fine today, with my previous installation
• 989[09:08:10] <buu> hmmm
• 990[09:08:52] <AkQ> i really don't want to lose it - it has history, nostalgy, from a decade
• 991[09:08:54] <buu> AkQ: what is the ls -ld output for the directory the sqlite file is in?
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• 994[09:10:20] <AkQ> drwxr-x--- 3 mumble-server mumble-server 4096 Sep 10 08:18 .
• 995[09:11:04] <buu> AkQ: try changing it to 777 temporarily also
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• 1006[09:14:00] <AkQ> buu nothing interesting happened :/
• 1007[09:14:06] <AkQ> drwxrwxrwx 3 mumble-server mumble-server 4096 Sep 10 08:18 .
• 1008[09:14:07] <buu> Also what does sqlite3 -line /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite "insert (server_id,msg) values (42,'foo')"
• 1009[09:14:10] <buu> do?
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• 1011[09:14:33] <AkQ> -bash: sqlite3: command not found
• 1012[09:14:38] <buu> mmmmmmmmmm
• 1013[09:14:58] <buu> sudo apt install sqlite3
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• 1016[09:15:21] <AkQ> ok installed sqlite3
• 1017[09:15:25] <AkQ> and did it again: Error: near "(": syntax error
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• 1019[09:15:36] <buu> I should learn sql at some point
• 1020[09:16:05] <buu> sqlite3 -line /var/lib/mumble-server/mumble-server.sqlite "insert into slog (server_id,msg) values (42,'foo')"
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• 1022[09:16:40] <AkQ> did that - no output
• 1023[09:16:47] <AkQ> i try to restart the service?
• 1024[09:16:50] <buu> yes
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• 1026[09:17:24] <buu> Presumably that means you in the guise of sqlite3 can write to the database
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• 1028[09:18:11] <AkQ> nothing happened - mumble-server is not running
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• 1030[09:18:28] <buu> what does systemctl status mumble-server
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• 1032[09:19:45] <AkQ> nvm
• 1033[09:19:48] <AkQ> i think i found out
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• 1036[09:20:08] <AkQ> the error was that the service was trying to switch from root to user that was given in mumble-server.ini
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• 1038[09:20:15] <AkQ> and i had copied that from previous installation
• 1039[09:20:26] <AkQ> and of course i have no user created for that, yet
• 1040[09:20:34] <buu> <C>2017-09-10 06:58:08.970 Successfully switched to uid 109
• 1041[09:20:36] <buu> weird
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• 1044[09:21:14] <AkQ> Sep 10 09:16:55 vps270009 mumble-server[1804]: <W>2017-09-10 09:16:55.538 Initializing settings from /etc/mumble-server.ini (basepath /etc)
• 1045[09:21:14] <AkQ> Sep 10 09:16:55 vps270009 mumble-server[1804]: <F>2017-09-10 09:16:55.539 Cannot find username mumble
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• 1086[09:49:09] <egonw> moin, advice please... I got an update warning for bind9... so, I expected a security update, but my statusbar icon shows blue (regular) not red (security)... so I checked the archives... and have a suggested bind9-doc_9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u3_all.deb from a mirror that I do no see at replaced-url
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• 1089[09:50:24] <egonw> the mirror that I was using is: replaced-url
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• 1091[09:51:54] <egonw> so, what's up here?
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• 1100[09:53:39] <egonw> so, this package is just a regular update? I now see it at replaced-url
• 1101[09:53:58] <Antoninus> Is there a special script for triggering the rebuilding of DKMS modules?
• 1102[09:54:34] <Antoninus> I'm trying to do it manually via "dkms install -m module/0.1 -k 1.0" and it just fails building
• 1103[09:54:40] <themill> egonw: every package and every upload has a changelog
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• 1109[09:56:58] <Antoninus> Note that I'm trying to build it for a custom kernel and I do have it's -headers package installed
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• 1111[09:57:27] <Antoninus> It seems that building my DKMS module for the stock kernel works
• 1112[09:57:30] <themill> egonw: replaced-url
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• 1114[09:58:10] <egonw> themill: ok, great, many thanks!
• 1115[09:58:16] <shtrb> egonw , apt-get changelog bind9
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• 1117[09:58:42] <egonw> shtrb: well, if it was a malicious package, it would surely say something senseble in the changelog...
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• 1120[09:59:31] <shtrb> egonw , that is how any malicous thing done, even malicious code has it standards
• 1121[09:59:41] <egonw> one thing I forgot to mention... I first went of to packages.debian.org... and that does (did) not know about u3 yet and shows u2
• 1122[10:00:41] <egonw> replaced-url
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• 1124[10:00:56] <shtrb> egonw , replaced-url
• 1125[10:01:09] <shtrb> egonw , sometimes secondery mirrors are not updated yet
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• 1127[10:01:35] <egonw> shtrb: :)
• 1128[10:03:03] <shtrb> what does the PX mean in a package name ?
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• 1135[10:08:14] <brainsoft> hi. Im running debian 8.9 jessie and I have gnome and xfce bot installed. system starts xfce. what do I have to install to be prompted and asked to select one?
• 1136[10:08:47] <brainsoft> i want to select one on startup
• 1137[10:08:52] <BigBrothyr> should be able to select gnome at login screen.
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• 1143[10:10:07] <shtrb> brainsoft , depending on the login manager you have a dropdown button that allow you to select the one to run
• 1144[10:10:24] <shtrb> that is IF you installed a login manager and didn't select autologin
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• 1147[10:12:29] <brainsoft> which one do you use?
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• 1149[10:14:13] <pingfloyd> you mean DM?
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• 1151[10:14:44] <brainsoft> yes
• 1152[10:15:08] <pingfloyd> better off not using one unless you share the computer
• 1153[10:15:25] <brainsoft> ok
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• 1157[10:16:54] <pingfloyd> then you can take more control over things by editing/creating files in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ or editing ~/.xinitrc etc.
• 1158[10:16:56] <shtrb> pingfloyd , in such case he will need to implement session switch himself (brainsoft's display manager )
• 1159[10:17:38] <pingfloyd> shtrb: that's the advantage (can implement your own session with better control)
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• 1161[10:18:35] <pingfloyd> I like for x start automatically, so I have it set where if I log in with my usual user on tty1 it will automatically start up X
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• 1165[10:19:14] <shtrb> pingfloyd via ~/.xinitrc or some other way ?
• 1166[10:19:28] <shtrb> can you post it somewhere ? sounds like something very intersting
• 1167[10:19:33] <pingfloyd> I utilize debian's own provided session related files
• 1168[10:19:35] <pingfloyd> mostly
• 1169[10:19:56] <shtrb> that sound like a nice thing , please share ...
• 1170[10:20:01] <AndreasLutro> `update-alternatives --config x-window-manager` should let you switch without changing anything
• 1171[10:20:22] <shtrb> brainsoft ^
• 1172[10:20:27] <AndreasLutro> he left
• 1173[10:20:38] <AndreasLutro> shtrb: my xinitrc is public if you're interested replaced-url
• 1174[10:20:53] <pingfloyd> for example, in my case, I edit ~/.config/xfce4/xinitrc
• 1175[10:21:02] <pingfloyd> there are tons of ways to go about that
• 1176[10:21:17] <pingfloyd> another less used option is ~/.config/xfce4-session/*
• 1177[10:22:28] <pingfloyd> shtrb: with debian for instance, you can manage default sessions with update-alternatives (one of many ways).
• 1178[10:22:47] <pingfloyd> e.g., update-alternatives --config x-session-manager
• 1179[10:23:01] <shtrb> got it, I assumed he wished a UI option
• 1180[10:23:20] <shtrb> but a desktop file that will do it on the desktop is easy
• 1181[10:23:24] <pingfloyd> shtrb: either way, he's more aware of his options now
• 1182[10:23:40] <pingfloyd> that's another way as well (via .desktop files)
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• 1184[10:24:17] <shtrb> I meant .desktop that will call update-alternatives
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• 1191[10:31:52] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i change the name of the output directory of a tar-file (e.g tar -xf firefox-54.tgz would extract to "firefox" but i want it to keep its version numbering, or just rename the output-dir in tar.
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• 1193[10:32:33] <McErroneous> -C does not work, because i did not create a dir previously, but i have done this before..
• 1194[10:32:44] <McErroneous> i think..
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• 1198[10:35:54] <shtrb> --directory expect the inital folder to exist
• 1199[10:36:23] <shtrb> or just mkdir foo;cd foo; tar -xzf blalba
• 1200[10:37:32] <McErroneous> shtrb, i am looking for a single command, i think i did it before....
• 1201[10:39:16] <AndreasLutro> -c ?
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• 1208[10:40:49] <shtrb> c != C
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• 1211[10:41:22] <shtrb> c is used for creation , C to declare the output folde
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• 1213[10:41:44] <endboss> Does the stable installer check self integrity against corrupt/compromised images, i.e. would the installer in such an image warn me? And would it also warn me about a corrupt/compromised mirror from which a netinst installer would pull packages, or about an MITM against one? Finally, does a clean stable installation contain the same measures?
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• 1216[10:48:45] <rue_mohr_> is kernel 4.9.0-3 really 4.9.30?
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• 1218[10:50:44] <AndreasLutro> yes rue_mohr_
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• 1222[10:52:34] <rue_mohr_> ok how can I get the config for the kernel I'm using?
• 1223[10:52:48] <rue_mohr_> there is no /proc/config.gz
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• 1228[10:54:09] <rue_mohr_> aha, its in the headers file
• 1229[10:54:12] <rue_mohr_> package
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• 1233[10:55:08] <AndreasLutro> it's in /boot
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• 1244[10:58:22] <rue_mohr_> odd, the .config from the headers package didn't just plug into a kernel source build of the same version
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• 1248[11:05:28] <linuxthefish> hey, after running apt-get upgrade i get the message "cinnamon just crashed, you are currently running in Fallback Mode" and restarting does nothing. does anyone know where cinnamon would log it's errors to?
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• 1260[11:15:25] <Delf> Updated a while ago to stretch, now the upssched-cmd looks strange.
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• 1263[11:16:41] <Delf> There's two cases, one for "upsgone" which is something that's not ever triggered, it should be NOCOMM, COMBAD or COMOK and one case for * which is anything else…
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• 1273[11:20:11] <Delf> It doesn't get triggered according to /etc/nut/upssched.conf
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• 1275[11:20:30] <pedros> test
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• 1284[11:24:31] <well_laid_lawn> pedros: fail
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• 1287[11:25:29] <shtrb> pedros: Exception access violation
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• 1293[11:28:45] <Delf> The case script is also for the $1 which is rather the message, not the notify type which should be an env $NOTIFYTYPE instead
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• 1295[11:29:07] <Delf> Did someone break upssched-cmd!?
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• 1386[12:38:50] <daniel-s> I have cmocka installed, but am getting a response as though I'm not linking to it.
• 1387[12:39:06] <daniel-s> replaced-url
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• 1487[13:51:45] <karlastrid> test
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• 1493[13:53:20] <Tonkadoro> Anyone know what a Geotab Go7 is? And how to hack it to send data to a person's own endpoint instead of Geotab servers?
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• 1529[14:20:35] <c-c> So I installed a new debian stable and even managed to get the rtl wifi dongle support right along with the included kernel firmware (used non-free/unofficial install image)
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• 1531[14:21:09] <c-c> I'm as far as starting Steam install (I want to play Duskers).
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• 1534[14:21:53] <c-c> The steam install instructions mention only "jessie and sid" for 64-bit. Should I enable multiarch for steam in stretch? replaced-url
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• 1537[14:22:38] <gpunk> yes
• 1538[14:22:44] <gpunk> for 32bit libraries
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• 1540[14:23:19] <c-c> ah, of course
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• 1543[14:24:32] <c-c> - I was wondering why I don't see the steam package in apt search results
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• 1553[14:26:43] * c-c feels a little dirty installing a proprietary game software platform on debian
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• 1556[14:28:02] <gpunk> not debian's fault
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• 1702[16:12:22] <fabou> hi everyone
• 1703[16:12:24] <fabou> When I boot debian unstable I get "Failed to start Raise network interface". Is there anyone who can help me to resolve it? (juste after there is "a start job is running" during 1min30
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• 1707[16:13:02] <rudi_s> fabou: journalctl -r -u networking and have a look at the errors.
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• 1711[16:15:30] <fabou> rudi_s, thx for your answer
• 1712[16:15:35] <fabou> rudi_s, pastebin.com/F3Nqj53i
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• 1716[16:16:41] <rudi_s> fabou: 'Cannot find device "eth0"'
• 1717[16:17:20] <rudi_s> Use ip -br l to get the name of the interface, then adapt it in /etc/network/interfaces and run ifup $name
• 1718[16:17:23] <fabou> it is normal, because I use only wifi
• 1719[16:17:36] <fabou> I try
• 1720[16:17:57] <rudi_s> fabou: Or remove the eth0 line if you don't use it.
• 1721[16:18:05] <rudi_s> s/line/blocks/
• 1722[16:18:13] <rudi_s> (Pastebin it if you're not sure what to remove.)
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• 1724[16:18:52] <fabou> I never use eth0 often. But if I plug it, I would be great that I works :)
• 1725[16:19:09] <fabou> so I would like it could be available
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• 1729[16:20:15] <rudi_s> fabou: What does ip -br l tell you? What is the interface name?
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• 1731[16:20:33] <rudi_s> Because the link should still be shown in ip l, even if the interface is not up.
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• 1735[16:21:37] <fabou> rudi_s, replaced-url
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• 1738[16:23:06] <rudi_s> fabou: Hm, anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ ? - What does grep -r eth0 /etc say?
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• 1742[16:25:55] <fabou> in /etc/network/interfaces.d/ : 1 file "setup"
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• 1744[16:26:02] <c-c> For what its worth, I concluded my mission to install a debian stretch gaming box, and managed to get steam working with debian wiki instructions. Had to launch the game twice but that is all. Sound and graphics work perfectly, integrated gpu, mobo sound, kernel/firmware from the firmware included iso -image.
• 1745[16:26:13] <rudi_s> fabou: What's the content?
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• 1749[16:26:50] <fabou> grep : replaced-url
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• 1752[16:27:36] <fabou> Rubin, setup's content : replaced-url
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• 1757[16:30:23] <rudi_s> fabou: I'd drop the /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup file (it's partly redundant anyway) and add the last two lines of setup to /etc/network/interfaces, replacing eth0 with enp4s0.
• 1758[16:30:32] <c-c> Duskers seems to run perfectly, uses perhaps 25% of the 2012 i5-3450 cpu/gpu. Will try CivV on this later.
• 1759[16:30:56] * c-c is happy he went Debian Stretch route instead of SteamOs
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• 1767[16:33:33] <c-c> - Additional notes: didn't have to install proprietary gpu drivers, lxde seems ok, have dual screen (as if this was useful)
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• 1776[16:36:29] <fabou> rudi_s, OK I try.
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• 1779[16:38:14] <c-c> Is there a wat to see memory bandwidth, like cpu in htop? Seems my system is not cpu bound, and I think its memory channel
• 1780[16:38:18] <c-c> *ŵay
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• 1795[16:46:37] <linuxthefish> hey, is it a bug that firefox-esr 52.3.0esr-2 has "network.proxy.type" locked in about:config? I also can't change proxy settings from the connections setting thing in firefox...
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• 1802[16:49:12] <linuxthefish> ah nvm it's debian-edu crap, i wish it would stop installing it's self
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• 1818[16:54:05] <fabou> rudi_s, unfortunately no change
• 1819[16:54:46] <fabou> just before Raise.. "Gave up waiting for suspend/resume device" is written
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• 1825[16:56:18] <rudi_s> fabou: Output from journalctl?
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• 1827[16:56:57] <bionix> Hi
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• 1829[16:57:04] <fabou> ahh wait I try something. On internet "Gave up" could be links with problem with swap. And I format my swap partition during installation of an other distro.
• 1830[16:57:17] <csmall> bionix Hi
• 1831[16:57:33] <uniqdom> Hello, blkid says that my swap partition is /dev/sda2: PARTUUID="63756879-02". So, I have written "PARTUUID=63756879-02 none swap defaults". but is not working.
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• 1833[16:57:57] <uniqdom> I have written that in /etc/fstab.
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• 1840[16:59:31] <bionix> Am I up to date ? Linux w00tsrv 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux ...
• 1841[16:59:33] <rudi_s> fabou: That's a separate issue. If you don't hibernate, write RESUME=none to /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
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• 1843[17:00:52] <rudi_s> bionix: No, +deb8u3 is the latest. apt update; apt upgrade and then reboot (for the new kernel).
• 1844[17:01:16] <guest_beta> .part
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• 1847[17:01:53] <bionix> ty rudi_s
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• 1850[17:03:02] <fabou> rudi_s, new journalctl : replaced-url
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• 1853[17:04:08] <rudi_s> fabou: Sure you deleted /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup after you've added the two lines to /etc/network/interfaces _replacing_ eth0 with enp4s0?
• 1854[17:04:23] <fabou> I rename it in setupolg
• 1855[17:04:25] <fabou> old*
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• 1857[17:05:09] <fabou> fabou@debian-unstable:/etc/network/interfaces.d$ ls
• 1858[17:05:09] <fabou> setupold
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• 1862[17:05:28] <rudi_s> fabou: Remove it or move it to another directory. Or remove the "source" line from /etc/network/interfaces
• 1863[17:05:38] <fabou> OK
• 1864[17:05:55] <rudi_s> All files from /etc/network/interfaces.d are loaded by default, so renaming doesn't help.
• 1865[17:06:04] <fabou> OK
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• 1867[17:06:13] <fabou> my interfaces : replaced-url
• 1868[17:06:17] <fabou> I delete the file
• 1869[17:06:20] <fabou> and reboot
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• 1889[17:14:29] <fabou> rudi_s, It seems to be fixed ("no failed" now) but there is still a "a start job is running for Raise network interface". And It take some tens seconds
• 1890[17:14:57] <fabou> rudi_s, still "Gave up" even with RESUME=none in the interface file
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• 1893[17:16:12] <toruvinn> uhh, does anyone have any "open" DNS servers which are not google?
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• 1896[17:17:09] <gpunk> google is your freind
• 1897[17:17:14] <toruvinn> mhm.
• 1898[17:17:22] <toruvinn> i'd rather use my enemy's DNS then
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• 1901[17:18:05] <gpunk> :)
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• 1903[17:18:24] <toruvinn> seriously nobody remembers anything? :-/ my isp's dns servers died and im kinda stuck now :-/
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• 1905[17:19:33] <gpunk> use qwant as a search engine for open DNS s
• 1906[17:19:41] <gpunk> instead of google
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• 1923[17:24:48] <toruvinn> gpunk, the problem was not that i couldnt access google or anything, the problem was that i didnt have a working DNS so i could not resolve any hostname. nvm, found this: replaced-url
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• 1930[17:26:17] <Weping> hi :)
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• 1936[17:28:28] <gpunk> ok gotcha toruvinn
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• 1963[17:38:44] <gosho> Hello. I need a help with a virtual box. How to get virtualbox from debian 9's repository?
• 1964[17:39:30] <gpunk> add non-free and contrib to your repository
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• 1966[17:39:43] <annadane> gosho, gpunk, virtualbox is not in stretch
• 1967[17:40:05] <gpunk> neither backport ?
• 1968[17:40:12] <annadane> ,v virtualbox
• 1969[17:40:13] <judd> Package: virtualbox on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 4.1.42-dfsg-1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1; jessie/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-security/contrib: 4.3.36-dfsg-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports/contrib: 5.1.8-dfsg-6~bpo8+2; buster/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2; sid/contrib: 5.1.26-dfsg-2
• 1970[17:40:22] <annadane> apparently not
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• 1974[17:41:24] <gosho> annadane so if I want it I can't get it from the repository of debian 9
• 1975[17:41:26] <gpunk> then you need to dowload it ...
• 1976[17:42:32] <annadane> i'm not sure whether virtualbox has a standalone program but if you wanted to use it that would be the safe way without installing any .deb's
• 1977[17:42:47] <annadane> there exist other virtualisation options for debian unless you specifically need virtualbox
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• 1980[17:43:02] <annadane> i personally use virt-manager, quite user friendly
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• 1983[17:43:54] <gosho> annadane how to take virt-manager
• 1984[17:44:03] <annadane> yeah, see, i just went on their website and it's a .deb; installing .debs from random websites is a bad idea
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• 1986[17:44:09] <annadane> gosho, just apt install virt-manager
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• 1992[17:44:42] <annadane> you could probably add the virtualbox repository but i don't know too much about it and again it's a less trustworthy solution
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• 1994[17:45:01] <annadane> i know many people endorse that
• 1995[17:45:12] <gosho> ok
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• 2000[17:46:33] <annadane> if you really really want virtualbox and you're not turned off by third party repositories replaced-url
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• 2002[17:47:03] <annadane> i don't personally condone it but y'know
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• 2005[17:47:59] <gosho> no. I don't know. I'll figure it out because I'm new to Debian
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• 2008[17:49:35] <epicwalrus> gnome-boxes is a good alternative to virtualbox if you need one.
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• 2022[17:54:43] <gosho> ok. Now I have two options gnome-boxes and virt-manager
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• 2028[17:56:00] <gosho> хов то гет гноме боьес
• 2029[17:56:08] <gosho> how to get gnome boxes
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• 2031[17:56:21] <gosho> and I'm with xfce
• 2032[17:56:31] <epicwalrus> sudo apt install gnome-boxes
• 2033[17:57:12] <gosho> thank you
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• 2048[18:04:55] <McErroneous> Hi, how do i change /etc/sudoers - file permissions ? I want to force a specific permission.
• 2049[18:05:12] <McErroneous> without that annoying 0440 message..
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• 2055[18:08:28] <jelly> McErroneous: to what end?
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• 2058[18:09:02] <McErroneous> does it matter ?
• 2059[18:09:12] <McErroneous> just obey.. !
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• 2061[18:09:53] <jelly> yes. sudo really doesn't want you to use any less secure permission setting, so explaining the reason makes sense
• 2062[18:10:40] <McErroneous> idkare about what sudo wants, i want control....
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• 2065[18:11:05] <jelly> you'll have to tamper with source code, then
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• 2072[18:13:15] <pippuccio76> hi at all , i install debian 9 lxde from usb , the installation go well , but when the sistem start there are some error . After this the monitor is black , i open a terminal and get start x , after i see only the mouse cursor
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• 2075[18:13:47] <BlakBat> jelly: did you try setting extra permissions with setfacl ?
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• 2079[18:14:06] <jelly> BlakBat: the person asking that question left
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• 2081[18:14:41] <BlakBat> oh...
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• 2083[18:14:58] <BlakBat> sorry
• 2084[18:15:43] <annadane> pippuccio76, what did you use to copy the iso to usb?
• 2085[18:15:46] <jelly> pippuccio76: by "open a terminal" do you mean log in at the console?
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• 2087[18:16:04] <samouy> hey I have a question with gnupg on debian 9. I was trying to encrypt/decrypt file with a normal user's secret key and its working well. But when I log with root and do "su - my_user", decrypting the file tells me "permission denied" when accessing the private key .. Why ?
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• 2090[18:16:51] <tomreyn> it's probably owned by root?
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• 2092[18:17:21] <jelly> pippuccio76: what happens if you "startlxde" instead of "startx"
• 2093[18:17:23] <samouy> tomreyn, no its owned by my user
• 2094[18:17:25] <pippuccio76> jelly the console log end to starting light display Manager after ok started light display manager
• 2095[18:17:41] <tomreyn> samouy: and it has read permission?
• 2096[18:18:01] <McErroneous> jelly: is there not something like a sudoers option like : sudoers_default_permission option 0440 ?
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• 2099[18:18:15] <McErroneous> just a onliner..
• 2100[18:18:18] <samouy> tomreyn, yes because when I log directly in lightdm as my_user, I have access to the keyring
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• 2105[18:19:07] <pippuccio76> jelly with startlxde session is lxde DE is lxde gtk warning cannot open diaplay
• 2106[18:19:09] <at0m> samouy: i'm guessing env, more specific path to gnupg keys, isn't transferred with the su
• 2107[18:19:40] <at0m> samouy: can you explicitly set path to the user's key?
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• 2111[18:20:59] <jelly> McErroneous: never needed anything like that, did you try looking at man sudoers
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• 2116[18:21:46] <samouy> at0m, I reverted the machine I use so I can't try right now
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• 2118[18:22:14] <samouy> but it tries to access to the correct keyring
• 2119[18:22:23] <samouy> but no permission to read it
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• 2123[18:22:55] <jelly> pippuccio76: oh right, apparently that one is supposed to be called inside the session when X is running.
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• 2126[18:23:20] <jelly> pippuccio76: does lightdm graphical login screen appear at boot for you?
• 2127[18:23:29] <pippuccio76> no
• 2128[18:23:56] <jelly> pippuccio76: what does "systemctl status lightdm" say
• 2129[18:23:57] <jelly> !paste
• 2130[18:23:58] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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• 2132[18:24:27] <pippuccio76> i cannot paste , the pc dont start....
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• 2136[18:25:22] <jelly> use pastebinit, then
• 2137[18:25:24] <samouy> at0m, I think its the issue : replaced-url
• 2138[18:25:25] <jelly> !pastebinit
• 2139[18:25:25] <dpkg> A command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install pastebinit; pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | pastebinit". See also <pastebinit config>, <nopaste>.
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• 2141[18:25:38] <pippuccio76> im ust write in this pc
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• 2145[18:25:54] <jelly> pippuccio76: or upload a screenshot with your camera phone somewhere
• 2146[18:26:11] <pippuccio76> there are two error getting user list from org
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• 2148[18:26:23] <pippuccio76> ok i do a screenshot
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• 2153[18:28:46] <rue_shop3> it is possable for other computers to bring up a computer using your local X display, but debain turns this feature off, does anyone know where?
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• 2158[18:29:43] <Brigo> rue_shop3, bring up a computer from where?
• 2159[18:29:48] <pippuccio76> jelly :replaced-url
• 2160[18:30:16] <rue_shop3> computer A brings an X program up using the display on computer B
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• 2162[18:30:34] <rue_shop3> there is a securrity switch that debain uses to disable it, but I dont know where the swtich is set
• 2163[18:30:49] <at0m> rue_shop3: as with ssh -X $program ?
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• 2165[18:30:52] <Brigo> rue_shop3, check xhost
• 2166[18:31:03] <rue_shop3> I did xhost +
• 2167[18:31:08] <Brigo> rue_shop3, anyway i would use ssh -X, the easiest way
• 2168[18:31:17] <rue_shop3> the service itself seem to be turned off at the server level
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• 2170[18:31:28] <rue_shop3> its an option in a config file somewhere
• 2171[18:31:50] <Brigo> rue_shop3, ssh -X is not an option?
• 2172[18:31:58] <rue_shop3> well I can try it!
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• 2174[18:32:21] <rue_shop3> ssh -X nedit foo.txt
• 2175[18:32:22] <Brigo> just connect with ssh from computer B to computer a with ssh -x user@ip
• 2176[18:32:23] <rue_shop3> didn't work
• 2177[18:32:28] <Brigo> and run the program.
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• 2179[18:32:58] <rue_shop3> NEdit: Can't open display
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• 2181[18:33:31] <tempaq> I have a VPS with debian, and I want debian to automatically start LXDE upon server boot (with autologin of a given user). Later, I want to remotely connect to the running user session, using e.g xrdp. I have configured autostart using LXDM, but it complains there is no available DISPLAY to attach to. How can I give it a virtual display (from xrdp)? Thanks!
• 2182[18:33:39] <jelly> rue_shop3: X11Forwarding needs to be enabled on the remote machine, and "xauth" installed
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• 2187[18:34:10] <pippuccio76> jelly :replaced-url
• 2188[18:34:14] <rue_shop3> I set DISPLAY=192.168.4.5:0
• 2189[18:34:23] <rue_shop3> run program, program says cant open display
• 2190[18:34:26] <Brigo> it looks like you need -Y too or instead of.
• 2191[18:34:32] <Brigo> it runs in my hosts.
• 2192[18:34:41] <rue_shop3> I did xhost + on the machine with the dispaly
• 2193[18:35:01] <jelly> rue_shop3: if you use ssh -X there's no need to mess with xhost or DISPLAY value
• 2194[18:35:03] <rue_shop3> Brigo, can you summarize that agian?
• 2195[18:35:29] <jelly> pippuccio76: looks like lightdm is running, can you see it when you switch to Ctrl-Alt-F7 ?
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• 2197[18:35:55] <pippuccio76> ok now i see the login page
• 2198[18:36:21] <jelly> pippuccio76: see if logging in from there works any better
• 2199[18:36:21] <rue_shop3> -x or -X
• 2200[18:36:34] <jelly> -X
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• 2203[18:37:01] <jelly> rue_shop3: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote machine has "X11Forwarding yes"
• 2204[18:37:05] <pippuccio76> now i see the background image (after login ) but no panel or icon ...
• 2205[18:37:12] <rue_shop3> no, no that gives me a prompt on the remove machine
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• 2207[18:37:31] <rue_shop3> I want the X program to run on the remote machine with the display on the local machine
• 2208[18:37:35] <jelly> rue_shop3: and it's supposed to. now run your app
• 2209[18:37:39] <jelly> in that shell.
• 2210[18:37:43] <rue_shop3> no
• 2211[18:37:49] <rue_shop3> no you have the program running on the wrong end
• 2212[18:37:59] <pippuccio76> jelly:now i see the background image (after login ) but no panel or icon ...
• 2213[18:38:02] <rue_shop3> A has program B has display
• 2214[18:38:12] <rue_shop3> I want to run program on A and have it use display on B
• 2215[18:38:31] <jelly> rue_shop3: then do "ssh -X A" from B.
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• 2217[18:38:38] <jelly> same thing
• 2218[18:38:48] <rue_shop3> as would have been done with export DISPLAY=192.168.B.....
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• 2220[18:39:21] <rue_shop3> NEdit: Can't open display
• 2221[18:39:23] <rue_shop3> didn't work
• 2222[18:39:50] <pippuccio76> jelly : do u tink lubuntu is better for this netbook ?
• 2223[18:40:02] <rue_shop3> ssh -X root@192.168.(A)
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• 2225[18:40:24] <rue_shop3> then ran my X program, and it couldn't attach to the display locally
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• 2227[18:40:59] <potentialfedora> wheezy does have libc as version 2.13, right?
• 2228[18:41:02] <ompaul> rue_shop3: ssh -X username@othermachine program ... do not use root for many reasons all of which are well documented see a web browser for other reasons
• 2229[18:41:08] <rue_shop3> last time I hit a problem it was because the listening port of the X server was turned off in a debian config
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• 2231[18:41:41] <rue_shop3> X11 forwarding request failed on channel 0
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• 2233[18:42:03] <rue_shop3> nomatter what user I am
• 2234[18:42:12] <jelly> rue_shop3: did you verify sshd_config on A has X11Forwarding yes
• 2235[18:42:31] <rue_shop3> ... no, cause I dont know about that yet
• 2236[18:42:50] <ompaul> so ssh -C username@farawaymachine and check it with right user
• 2237[18:42:54] <jelly> pretty sure I mentioned it 5 minutes back
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• 2239[18:43:04] <jelly> [18:37] <jelly> rue_shop3: make sure /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote machine has "X11Forwarding yes"
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• 2244[18:43:32] <jelly> rue_shop3: and restart ssh service if you change the config file
• 2245[18:43:44] <rue_shop3> shoudl I worry about X11DisplayOffset?
• 2246[18:43:57] <jelly> no
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• 2248[18:44:01] <rue_shop3> jelly, I thought all these new kids just restart the computer :)
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• 2251[18:44:34] <rue_shop3> :)))))
• 2252[18:44:41] <at0m> rue_shop3: this isn't windows ;p
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• 2254[18:45:15] <jelly> new kids don't try to do X11 over remote tcp sockets
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• 2256[18:45:29] <jelly> this isn't 1991
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• 2258[18:45:42] <rue_shop3> my firewall is my securrity
• 2259[18:45:56] <rue_shop3> its a field-day behind that
• 2260[18:46:18] <rue_shop3> so far, as I know, its only been hacked once
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• 2262[18:46:26] <rue_shop3> clever hack too!
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• 2264[18:46:41] <ompaul> so then you know that firewall is not your security
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• 2266[18:46:52] <rue_shop3> whats perfect?
• 2267[18:46:58] <pippuccio76> jelly:now i see the background image (after login ) but no panel or icon ...
• 2268[18:47:35] <ompaul> rue_shop3: did you set the X11Forwarding to yes?
• 2269[18:47:44] <rue_shop3> well, I'll have to change my ways, and open up Xforwarding on all the machines ssh
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• 2271[18:47:49] <rue_shop3> its working,
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• 2273[18:48:25] <jelly> rue_shop3: it's a bit more sane than making X server listen on public ip address for tcp
• 2274[18:48:36] <rue_shop3> public?
• 2275[18:48:38] <rue_shop3> lan
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• 2278[18:49:06] <jelly> rue_shop3: it's a bit more sane than making X server listen on lan ip address for tcp
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• 2280[18:49:27] <jelly> pippuccio76: hard to say why lxde does not load properly
• 2281[18:49:32] <rue_shop3> yes, but if you have a trusted network, would telnet really be a concern?
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• 2284[18:50:10] <rue_shop3> it may be a field day for anyone who breaks in, but thats not my point
• 2285[18:50:36] <jelly> good security has many layers
• 2286[18:50:45] <rue_shop3> so does aparanoia
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• 2288[18:51:14] <jelly> pippuccio76: you may find clues in ~/.Xsession-errors
• 2289[18:51:14] <rue_shop3> this is the model M keyboard, its supposed to correct my typos
• 2290[18:51:41] <jelly> pippuccio76: sorry, .xsession-errors with a lowercase x
• 2291[18:52:07] <rue_shop3> Jul 25/1988
• 2292[18:52:22] <jelly> pippuccio76: it might be worth to try create a new user (adduser command as root), and try log in as that one instead
• 2293[18:52:42] <pippuccio76> sorry try to install ubuntu minimal after xfce
• 2294[18:52:45] <jelly> pippuccio76: if that works, it would point to something in per-user settings being broken
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• 2307[18:58:33] <OxOO> a tty is "garbled" and I tried to logout, but the login text is also messed up. How can I "reset" that tty?
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• 2310[18:59:46] <ChmEarl> how can I tell if debhelper requires quilt? how does debhelper write/read from .pc/ ?
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• 2315[19:01:06] <jelly> OxOO: log in blindly, run "reset", see if that helps
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• 2319[19:02:46] <OxOO> jelly: Thanks. Yeah that worked. I was hesitant of trying to login when it was like that though. Can one reset tty1 from tty2 for example with some other method?
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• 2335[19:09:31] <ompaul> 0x00 try ctrl l (lower L) when you get garbage, remembering that it really depends on how you got to having garbage on the screen in the first place
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• 2356[19:17:54] <OxOO> ompaul: thanks. it was "hdparm -I" on a device that did it this time :)
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• 2381[19:31:58] <tempaq> How can I give a virtual DISPLAY to LXDM/LXDE on a vps? (so that I can connect to the session later with xrdp?)
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• 2385[19:33:06] <at0m> tempaq: i'd look into VNC instead of running LXDE on a headless machine. or use ssh -X, see above. or ask yourself why you'd run graphical stuff on a VPS
• 2386[19:33:47] <ambientstate> Hi, I have multiple drives in my computer. The main ons is ext4, but others are ntfs. I dual boot so I wanted both OS' to access files. However, I cannot cut n paste files from my ext4 system to the ntfs places. The paste option is greyed out.
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• 2390[19:35:19] <tempaq> at0m: Unfortunately I need to run a GUI-program on it, and the program must start up automatically if the server reboots
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• 2397[19:38:37] <moldy> hi
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• 2399[19:38:49] <jhutchins> !user accesible ntfs
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• 2401[19:39:07] <moldy> on stretch, is there anything special i need to do so that php apps (wordpress) can send e-mail? i have a local postfix running, and sendmail from the shell is working fine
• 2402[19:39:32] <jhutchins> dpkg: user accessible ntfs
• 2403[19:39:33] <dpkg> To get an NTFS or VFAT file system accessible by users and groups on the local machine, man mount; man 5 fstab; and read about the umask, fmask, dmask, uid, and gid options. You'll end up sticking something like conv=auto,uid=<user>,gid=<group>,dmask=0002,fmask=0003 into your fstab's mount option field.
• 2404[19:39:38] <moldy> however, wordpress says "The email could not be sent. Possible reason: your host may have disabled the mail() function."
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• 2406[19:39:59] <somiaj> moldy: the mail() function is part of php, maybe check the php config file.
• 2407[19:40:03] <jhutchins> ambientstate: You must have ntfs3g, standard ntfs access is read-only.
• 2408[19:40:10] <somiaj> ntfs-3g I belive.
• 2409[19:40:15] <jhutchins> ambientstate: You might want to check the wiki.
• 2410[19:40:21] <ambientstate> ugh
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• 2412[19:40:33] <ambientstate> Sharing files between OS' is such a pain
• 2413[19:40:39] <ambientstate> Another failure
• 2414[19:40:45] <ambientstate> My life
• 2415[19:41:02] <jhutchins> ambientstate: The system is working as intended, there are reasons it works like this. More reading.
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• 2417[19:41:21] <ambientstate> Read more, fail more
• 2418[19:41:26] <ambientstate> repeat
• 2419[19:41:28] <somiaj> ambientstate: please don't complain, this is not the place. And it is not that difficult. You can use vfat, or isntall ntfs-3g, 'apt-get install ntfs-3g' on linux, or install an ext2/3/4 driver in windows.
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• 2421[19:41:57] <ambientstate> so reformat the drives in ntfs-3g?
• 2422[19:42:05] <jhutchins> ambientstate: No.
• 2423[19:42:07] <moldy> somiaj: hmm yep, i don't see any problem in there, unfortuntaley
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• 2426[19:42:29] <jhutchins> ambientstate: ntfs-3g is the driver/utility set to access ntfs.
• 2427[19:43:05] <armin> i really wonder how many percent of people in general deselect "Print server" and select "OpenSSH server" in the installer.
• 2428[19:43:12] <armin> my assumption is way more than 98%.
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• 2430[19:43:37] <ambientstate> jhutchins, I have ntfs-3g already installed
• 2431[19:43:44] <ambientstate> still no dice
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• 2433[19:44:17] <at0m> armin: i understand these defaults are what should get new users up and running. more advanced users know what to select and deselect
• 2434[19:44:17] <somiaj> ambientstate: you need to make sure you are mounting the file system using ntfs-3g, not the ntfs libary. How did you mount this ntfs file system? What is the output of 'mount' (at paste.debian.net)
• 2435[19:44:17] <ambientstate> how do I invoke it?
• 2436[19:44:20] <jhutchins> ambientstate: Unlike Windows, which will only do what somebody else has decided you want to do, Linux will do just about anything.
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• 2439[19:44:36] <jhutchins> ambientstate: You have to actually do some work to achieve what you want, it doesn't just automatically happen.
• 2440[19:44:49] <ambientstate> jhutchins, Why not? It's a computer
• 2441[19:44:51] <jhutchins> ambientstate: Follow the instructions from dpkg above.
• 2442[19:44:52] <somiaj> "computers do what you tell them to, not what you want them to" -- so learn to be clear what you are telling it to do.
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• 2450[19:47:50] <jhutchins> ambientstate: You are doing something Microsoft doesn't want you to do. You can do it because you're running Linux, you just have to take the right steps.
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• 2456[19:49:27] <Arrowmaster> question, i just had an incident where i needed to run e2fsck on a luks encrypted external drive. im using kde and just open dolphin and let the automounter do its thing normally, shouldnt this be using systemd and i thought systemd was supposed to automate e2fsck usage when needed?
• 2457[19:49:28] <ambientstate> So far Microsoft seems to be winning. Lost my drive.
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• 2459[19:49:35] <ambientstate> fuggit
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• 2462[19:50:13] <armin> at0m: so you consider setting up a system with cups and without sshd in 2017 will get people more up and running? no offense, but that's weird.
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• 2465[19:50:55] <armin> at0m: but i agree with you on the other part. advanced users will know what to do there so it's not really important.
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• 2467[19:53:23] <at0m> armin: exactly. you wouldn't want to support all the users here looking for how to get their laptop to print
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• 2469[19:55:40] <armin> at0m: we do that anyways no matter if they install cups or not, but i get the point. ;)
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• 2481[20:00:47] <at0m> armin: on top, installing sshd requires some config. say, disable password logins and add keys to the user on the server. with defaults pw login enabled, that would probably open a lot of machines to possible unauthorized access
• 2482[20:01:00] <at0m> those installing sshd on purpose would know how to go about that
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• 2493[20:04:05] <SwK> I always install sshd and never install cups
• 2494[20:05:02] <SwK> then again imho printing and faxing should go the way of the dodo bird. we have had electronic signing of documents for 2 decades now, and had email even longer
• 2495[20:05:16] <SwK> I have both a printer and a fax machine, both gather dust
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• 2502[20:06:36] <moldy> paper is a superior technology when it comes to reliability
• 2503[20:07:29] <moldy> also, archiving
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• 2506[20:08:29] <annadane> on that note, is there anything in debian for signing pdf documents? i guess you could sign it using gimp and copy + paste into some pdf viewer
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• 2510[20:08:54] <annadane> but it would be easier if you could do it on the page itself and i haven't found one that does that
• 2511[20:09:11] <d3xter> hey guys, i've a script that rsyncs files onto a server and afterwards executes commands on the same server. right now i need to enter the password at least twice. what can i do to enter the password only once? maybe an ssh-tunnel?
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• 2513[20:09:32] <armin> at0m: well enabling a service just because you just installed it is something that debian is notoriously known for, let's not forget that.
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• 2516[20:10:09] <armin> at0m: and yes i agree that pubkey only should be ssh's default ;)
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• 2529[20:16:27] <at0m> armin: and then just how would you add your pubkey to the authkeys file?
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• 2531[20:17:01] <SwK> d3xter, assuming using ssh thats what keys are for
• 2532[20:17:03] <at0m> initial password login is fine, for a minute or so
• 2533[20:17:25] <at0m> long enough to get a key transferred
• 2534[20:17:31] <armin> at0m: that's some extremely subjective statement.
• 2535[20:17:51] <at0m> with pubkey only as default, there's no way to add your keys
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• 2539[20:18:15] <armin> at0m: are you saying the only way to access a computer is by network?
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• 2541[20:18:44] <at0m> or i drive over to the datacenter. i doubt they'll let me in
• 2542[20:18:52] <at0m> i hope they dont
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• 2544[20:19:52] <annadane> ignore my question, sorry
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• 2568[20:28:39] <teraflops> annadane: you can sign with libreoffice
• 2569[20:28:56] <annadane> oh, right, libreoffice...
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• 2596[20:35:40] <fabio_> hi everyone
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• 2599[20:36:21] <fabio_> I would like to activate numlock at the login. How can I do?
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• 2612[20:41:20] <Iridos> I wonder …what is "at the login"
• 2613[20:41:28] <Iridos> .numlock
• 2614[20:41:37] <Iridos> dpkg, numlock
• 2615[20:41:37] <dpkg> Use setleds(1) to set the NumLock (and CapsLock and ScrollLock) status in a virtual terminal. Have a look at the numlockx package to set the NumLock status in X.
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• 2617[20:41:58] <fabio_> when I turn on the pc, the numlock is off.
• 2618[20:42:11] <Iridos> you usually can change that in the bios
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• 2625[20:43:40] <okamis> klys, Greetings, I solved the lines by making a xorg conf specifying the intel driver and adding tearing set to false and something about acceleration.
• 2626[20:43:53] <fabio_> I'll try by bios. And I'll see numlockx package. Thanks.
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• 2628[20:43:56] <okamis> klys, lines, I meant the video tearing is the correct term
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• 2632[20:45:28] <Arrowmaster> fabio_: im using kde and its an option in the system settings
• 2633[20:45:35] <Arrowmaster> dont know about other DEs
• 2634[20:45:38] <Iridos> but that probably only applies after you logged in…
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• 2640[20:46:29] <Arrowmaster> wouldnt numlockx do the same then? since the login manager isnt X
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• 2642[20:46:54] <spigot> so here's a fun one- iwconfig consistenly reports a 1Mb/s connection while running a speedtest that exceeds 10mbit/s
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• 2644[20:47:03] <fabio_> Arrowmaster: you're right. Thanks a lot!!!
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• 2648[20:48:09] <spigot> maybe iwconfig is unreliable and I should be looking elsewhere for currectly connected bitrate
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• 2659[20:51:09] <dixie7z_> what do I need to fully install add-apt-repository... It doesnt work... "No valid OpenPGP data found"
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• 2661[20:51:58] <spigot> if you're going to install packages built for ubuntu on debian, you just shouldn't. does anyone actually publish packages built against debian in ppas?
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• 2664[20:52:51] <teraflops> idk, maybe
• 2665[20:53:20] <spigot> you just end up debugging issues that nobody should be bothering with, imho. find the package in testing or sid, have apt build it for you against fresh sources and your own isntalled libs
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• 2667[20:53:46] <annadane> do not mix stable + testing/sid...
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• 2669[20:53:56] <annadane> you can potentially use simplebackportcreation
• 2670[20:54:20] <spigot> i didnt say use the binary from sid, I said build the package from the sources in sid against the currently installed libraries. isnt that a backport?
• 2671[20:54:33] <annadane> yeah, ok. i didn't read it properly
• 2672[20:54:59] <spigot> sokay. I'm unnecessarily against people using the easier for them until something breaks- option
• 2673[20:55:03] <n4dir> spigot: the user stevepusser (or similar) was very active in forums.debian.net. He wrote posts about repackaging ppa's for debian. You might want to search for his posts.
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• 2675[20:55:17] <spigot> s/unnecessarily/unreasonably/ I'm also maybe needing some bloodsugar
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• 2677[20:55:43] <spigot> if there are ppa's that used debian as the base, I'm all for that. I just don't usually come across them
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• 2679[20:55:56] <spigot> and usig something that was built against ubuntu patched packages is just asking for trouble
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• 2681[20:56:17] <n4dir> he sure knows what he is talking about. Your choice.
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• 2683[20:57:05] <spigot> well we seem to be talking about the same thing- I'm saying I'm all about ppas based against debian as opposed to using packages in debian built on an ubuntu base- seems like that's his choice as well :P
• 2684[20:57:23] <n4dir> yeah, sure.
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• 2686[20:57:41] <spigot> or are you saying he's got some way you can just use an ubuntu ppa- sure you can do that, and like most things itll just work most of the time
• 2687[20:57:44] <spigot> *shrug*
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• 2691[20:58:01] <spigot> fyi for anyone who cares iwconfig is unreliable to report changing wireless bitrates. TIL
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• 2693[20:58:12] <n-iCe> hi
• 2694[20:58:19] <n4dir> no, don't use ppa's. I only spoke of backporting (and only for packages, which don't exist in sid)
• 2695[20:58:34] <n4dir> i never did it, as i never had a reason to do it.
• 2696[20:59:18] <p0rt> how to reinstall some specific kernel module? I'm talking specifically about ext4.ko, which cannot be copied because of input/output error, which itself leads to update-initramfs screaming at me that something is wrong.
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• 2700[21:00:16] <spigot> wait you mean you should only backport from testing? whats wrong with taking a source package in sid and building binaries against my current system?
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• 2702[21:00:33] <n4dir> where did i say something about testing?
• 2703[21:00:34] <at0m> !backports
• 2704[21:00:34] <dpkg> A backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and <ABI> complications. replaced-url
• 2705[21:00:49] <abrotman> p0rt: can you write to anything on the filesystem, or you're using a LiveCD?
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• 2707[21:00:58] <abrotman> or rescue boot of some sort
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• 2709[21:01:30] <p0rt> abrotman: I'm on a running system, and I can write things to my fs
• 2710[21:01:40] <abrotman> just not that file?
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• 2712[21:01:48] <abrotman> dpkg: tell madgeek81 about root
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• 2714[21:01:57] <abrotman> p0rt: you can "aptitude reinstall <pkg>"
• 2715[21:02:55] <spigot> *shrug* nm I'm lost and I seem to have ticked you off. sorry. you said you only spoke of backporting and only for packages which don't exist in sid. I'm not sure what you meant by that at all
• 2716[21:03:09] <p0rt> abrotman: yeah, but I'm getting the following error:
• 2717[21:03:12] <p0rt> cp: error reading '/lib/modules/4.12.0-1-686-pae/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko': Input/output error
• 2718[21:03:14] <p0rt> depmod: ERROR: failed to load symbols from /var/tmp/mkinitramfs_lDFvSj/lib/modules/4.12.0-1-686-pae/kernel/fs/ext4/ext4.ko: Invalid argument
• 2719[21:03:22] <p0rt> so it's not as simple as reinstalling a package
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• 2721[21:03:41] <spigot> what were you trying to do at first that got you to the first error?
• 2722[21:03:50] <n4dir> spigot: only if packages don't exist in debian sid, backporting them from a ppa seems to make sense. And from what i have heard (stevepusser) it seems to work rather well.
• 2723[21:03:52] <n4dir> k?
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• 2725[21:04:32] <p0rt> spigot: Installing some package, nothing kernel related, like rtv or mpv or whatever
• 2726[21:04:39] <spigot> OH okay. I see waht you're saying. yeah no of course that's my thing- if it exists in debian at all, use that, and if its only for a newer distribution, debian is nice enogh to try to build it for you against your current system
• 2727[21:05:06] <n4dir> yup. we agree, it seems, but had some hard times to figure it out.
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• 2734[21:06:53] <abrotman> p0rt: you get that when?
• 2735[21:07:03] <abrotman> p0rt: which package did you reinstall?
• 2736[21:07:40] <spigot> p0rt: just an install, not any upgrades along with it? yeah, more details are needed unfortunately.
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• 2739[21:08:52] <p0rt> abrotman, spigot: It could be after an upgrade, which I also performed.
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• 2742[21:09:20] <p0rt> Not exactly sure if it happened after installing rtv or upgrade, but the latter is more likely.
• 2743[21:09:23] <abrotman> p0rt: have you tried reinstalling the kernel package? I'm guessing, linux-image-4.12.0-1-686-pae
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• 2745[21:09:25] <spigot> yeah that seems to be something funky with initramfs. I don't know the details of how it works without looking, but I don't think it should be accessing a kernel module in /tmp at any point
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• 2748[21:10:02] <p0rt> abrotman: Yeah, did that. Gives no errors.
• 2749[21:10:18] <p0rt> And then I do update initramfs -k all -u
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• 2751[21:10:55] <abrotman> and that gives errors?
• 2752[21:11:01] <p0rt> yeah
• 2753[21:11:07] <spigot> on a debian system? running iniramfs manually? do you have a particlar need to do that?
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• 2756[21:11:17] <spigot> I thought all kernel package upgrades handled stuff like that
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• 2758[21:11:52] <p0rt> That's right but since I saw it screaming about errors I decided to run update-initramfs manually
• 2759[21:12:02] <spigot> fair enough :P
• 2760[21:12:15] <spigot> do you have a backup kernel installed?
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• 2762[21:12:28] <p0rt> spigot: nope xD
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• 2765[21:13:06] <spigot> hmm. might be time to investigate installing a 3.x branch. it'd let you boot it, purge the 4.x branch, then rebuild it using nothing but fresh sources
• 2766[21:13:21] <spigot> I find it handy to always have two installed in case an update hoses something
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• 2768[21:13:43] <spigot> though.. I say that wondering if 3.x is on stretch. maybe I just mean another version of 4.x
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• 2772[21:14:08] <spigot> don't underestimate the power of deleting as much as possible handled by the package manager and installing from scratch :D
• 2773[21:14:19] <p0rt> spigot: I'm on buster right now, but since it's not a buster-specific problem I asked here
• 2774[21:14:26] <p0rt> spigot: That's usually my strategy
• 2775[21:14:29] <p0rt> :D
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• 2779[21:16:04] <p0rt> I'm curious if my system will boot if I reboot it now, since it's ext4 on lvm on luks, so not having ext4 in initramfs might be problematic
• 2780[21:16:18] <spigot> Im guessing it might be
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• 2782[21:16:55] <spigot> which is why i was like oh installa whole separate kernel with separate modules and get it into your bootloader before you get stuck needing a rescue install
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• 2784[21:17:07] <p0rt> Yup, that's a good idea
• 2785[21:17:38] <spigot> are all the kids in a discord now? :P this place is quieter than I remember it.
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• 2788[21:18:08] <abrotman> it's Sunday
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• 2790[21:18:32] <p0rt> spigot: I don't know, I see a lot of people using discord but since it's proprietary it's... meh
• 2791[21:18:36] <spigot> everyone's actually doing things rather than idling in her while at work?
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• 2796[21:20:17] <spigot> yeah it'll go more and more for profit slowly until it becomes like the rest of the irc options over the years. I still end up having to use it to find some devs though. a bunch of the elite dangerous 3rd party app devs. the kerbal operating system folks are responsive in another one.
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• 2799[21:21:02] <annadane> !chat
• 2800[21:21:02] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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• 2805[21:22:29] <spigot> yeah we wouldn't want to dornw out all the support happening.
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• 2808[21:22:57] <p0rt> spigot: Okay, I'm gonna try rebooting it with 4.9 since it's stretch's only kernel
• 2809[21:23:01] <p0rt> oh
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• 2811[21:23:21] <teraflops> soft-ragequit it seems
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• 2817[21:29:36] <p0rt> Yeah, rebooting with the broken kernel failed since there was no way to mount root, but luckily, as spigot suggested I installed a second kernel which I'm on right now
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• 3147[23:53:05] <crimsonmane> Hello. I installed Debian in VirtualBox as I wanted to install all of the default desktop environments in their "naked" expression. Unfortunately selecting all of the DE's during install produces an error. Accidentally I installed without selecting even one, and got a console install (which has always been how I use Debian). Now it is time to learn a new skill: how to install and use a desktop environment when one was not
• 3148[23:53:05] <crimsonmane> originally installed? I have already executed "apt install mate-desktop-environment", but do not know how to 'launch' it. 'startx' is not a valid command.
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• 3151[23:54:09] <dvs> crimsonmane, you probably need a desktop manager, like lxdm
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• 3153[23:54:46] <crimsonmane> Perhaps you mean a display manager?
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• 3155[23:55:10] <dvs> that too. ;-)
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• 3162[23:58:30] <awal1> wdm is good
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• 3164[23:58:45] <awal1> or sddm
• 3165[23:59:22] <chomwitt> a minor update in jessie broke sound and know it seems too too dificult to rollback. i've heard debian officially dont support rollbacking...
• 3166[23:59:25] <chomwitt> :-(
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• 3169[23:59:54] <annadane> chomwitt, it's possible we can fix your issue
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