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71 [00:47:07] <xmorph> hi
72 [00:47:14] <xmorph> how to adjust screenlocker i have xfce
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74 [00:48:40] <somiaj> xmorph: you don't see a configuration pannel for this in the system menu?
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76 [00:48:58] <xmorph> somiaj: i dont have screen locker
77 [00:49:03] <xmorph> in settings manager
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79 [00:49:59] <somiaj> I don't use xfce enough to know where it coudl be located.
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82 [00:50:13] <somiaj> If it is xscreensaver you might be able to just configure it directly
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84 [00:50:40] <xmorph> i want to add clock to screen locker
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87 [00:51:30] <annadane> it may be in system settings
88 [00:51:37] <xmorph> i cant find it
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91 [00:53:25] <xmorph> i want to add clock
92 [00:53:31] <mozak> hi iam trying to install flash
93 [00:53:36] <mozak> for mozzila
94 [00:53:53] <annadane> oh, *adjust* screenlocker, like customize the screenlocker...
95 [00:54:07] <xmorph> yep
96 [00:54:08] <mozak> Connecting to fpdownload.adobe.com (fpdownload.adobe.com)|104.103.98.211|:443... connected. HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found 2017-09-08 22:52:13 ERROR 404: Not Found. ERROR: wget failed to download replaced-url
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98 [00:54:49] <mozak> it wont download form adobe
99 [00:54:49] <annadane> !flash stretch
100 [00:54:49] <dpkg> flash stretch is probably flashplugin-nofree package has been broken for months and was not included in stretch. To install manually obtain the flash plugin (npapi tar.gz) from replaced-url
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102 [00:55:12] <mozak> ty
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116 [01:04:40] <xmorph> FOUND A SOLUTION ^________^
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119 [01:06:59] <annadane> oh, what was it xmorph?
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122 [01:07:39] <xmorph> why it didn't ping me..
123 [01:08:00] <xmorph> i added clock in /etc/lightdm/lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf file
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125 [01:08:25] <annadane> ah
126 [01:08:29] <xmorph> but i cant find all the settings that i can configure it
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134 [01:13:40] <krytarik> ,i lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
135 [01:13:41] <judd> Package lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: settings editor for the LightDM GTK+ Greeter. Version: 1.2.1-2; Size: 86.2k; Installed: 694k; Homepage: replaced-url
136 [01:14:34] <somiaj> krytarik: /msg judd i <packagename>
137 [01:14:43] <krytarik> Huh?
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139 [01:15:14] <krytarik> (I just did before to make sure ftm.)
140 [01:15:15] <somiaj> oh that was in response to someone's question, just saying you can /msg the bot to get that info and not put it in the channel
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143 [01:21:30] <ghormoon> hi, any idea why might have pulseaudio related commands stop seeing the daemon? it worked about 1-2 reboots after deban 8->9 upgrade and now not, though I think there was no more update before it stopped working. any idea where to start? only related thing in log I found was missing cookie file (it is created after that, if I kill it and start again, it doesn't complain). it runs in system mode (I need it for VMs that run even when there's no user
144 [01:21:30] <ghormoon> logged in on the host, it worked for long time on debian 8 before)
145 [01:21:36] <xmorph> krytarik: thanks.. i wanted to do it manually
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152 [01:25:27] <krytarik> xmorph: Well, you did.
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154 [01:26:01] <xmorph> seems what listed there is the only configuration ?
155 [01:26:08] <xmorph> why there is no docs for that :<
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182 [01:43:50] <xmorph> krytarik: do you have xfce?
183 [01:43:53] <xmorph> or lightdm
184 [01:46:11] <xmorph> i changed somene and i need to find where that image located to get the size
185 [01:46:14] <xmorph> so i can make it good
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191 [01:49:04] <aloo_shu> I have a debian based install that is getting stuck in initramfs because it doesn't find the root on a lvm lv - dm_mirror not loaded, lvmetad daemon not running. how to manually start and ultimately fix initrd?
192 [01:49:18] <testdrive> how do I install npm on Debian? I can install nodejs but it doesn't come with npm for some strange reason
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196 [01:51:02] <xmorph> nvm found it but that was hard
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205 [01:55:36] <s3a> Hello. I'm using Debian buster/testing, and I'm trying to create a PPTP connection, but when I try to create a PPTP connection type, I get the error message "Could not load editor VPN plugin for 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.pptp' (missing plugin file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/NetworkManager/libnm-vpn-plugin-pptp-editor.so).". Could someone please tell me what's going on? I need this to work for a job.
206 [01:56:09] <s3a> When I try to do the same with OpenVPN, it doesn't give me any error message, but it does always time out, but that may be another issue entirely.
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208 [01:56:34] <annadane> !testing
209 [01:56:34] <dpkg> Testing is a continuously updated release between <stable> and <unstable>, currently codenamed <buster>. See replaced-url
210 [01:57:14] <annadane> so yeah, better to ask on #debian-next
211 [01:57:19] <annadane> (on oftc)
212 [01:57:58] <s3a> annadane, alright. thanks. :)
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218 [01:58:56] <testdrive> is buster the next debian version?
219 [01:59:08] <nvz> testdrive: yes
220 [01:59:31] <testdrive> who comes up with those names btw?
221 [02:00:12] <nvz> testdrive: the debian project, the names follow toy story characters because the founder had worked for pixar
222 [02:00:14] <annadane> testdrive, toy story characters
223 [02:00:41] <testdrive> oh I kne where they were from but didn't know he worked for pixar
224 [02:00:50] <testdrive> but I mean who decides what the next name will be?
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227 [02:01:31] <nvz> bo, rex, buzz, slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, wheezy, jessie, stretch, buster, sid
228 [02:02:02] <oerheks> testdrive, Bruce Perens replaced-url
229 [02:02:03] <annadane> buster, bullseye
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231 [02:02:12] <annadane> and sid is always unstable
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233 [02:02:33] <testdrive> :D
234 [02:02:56] <testdrive> so testing get's the name first?
235 [02:03:16] <annadane> yes because every testing release will ultimately be the next stable
236 [02:04:00] <testdrive> oh nice
237 [02:04:03] <annadane> testing is the next stable and sid is always rolling, except at freeze
238 [02:04:15] <annadane> they become the same at freeze
239 [02:04:30] <annadane> well
240 [02:04:34] <annadane> that's not strictly true
241 [02:04:54] <annadane> consult replaced-url
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244 [02:06:13] <testdrive> thanks :) it's good to know
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255 [02:11:40] <disbute> Has AMD video cards gotten any better on Linux?
256 [02:12:46] <disbute> Cuase I remember them being really bad
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258 [02:13:11] <testdrive> that depends
259 [02:13:22] <testdrive> Debian comes with the free driver
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261 [02:14:03] <testdrive> there was an proprietary fglx driver but AMD abandoned it
262 [02:14:33] <testdrive> they released a new driver called amdgpu-pro that only works with a few GPUs and I don't think it works with neweer kernels
263 [02:14:56] <disbute> So it won't work with kernel 4.12?
264 [02:15:17] <testdrive> I think it works below 4.10 but I can check on their website
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267 [02:15:23] <testdrive> I use the free driver though and it works well
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271 [02:17:21] <testdrive> Compatible Operating Systems: RedHat Enterprise Linux 7.2 (64-bit version), RedHat Enterprise Linux 6.8 (64-bit version), Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit version)
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273 [02:17:50] <disbute> If it works with Ubuntu can it work with debian?
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275 [02:17:57] <testdrive> it doesn't say anything about kernel so I\m not sure but Ubuntu is not Debian
276 [02:18:09] <testdrive> I have no idea, but I think you could try
277 [02:18:16] <testdrive> replaced-url
278 [02:18:28] <testdrive> why do you need it though?
279 [02:18:37] <testdrive> you don't have to use their driver
280 [02:18:59] <disbute> I doing some cad work
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282 [02:19:06] <disbute> i'm
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285 [02:19:37] <testdrive> what's wrong with the free open source driver?
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289 [02:21:40] <RoyK> testdrive: probably mostly that the hardware isn't documented very well, they don't do that, since a lot of the GPU things lies in the interface in addition to the hardware, so the OSS driver is reverse engineered and won't be as good as the one from the AMD
290 [02:21:45] <oerheks> amdgpu <> amdgpu-pro, 2 different things, the pro is a binairy blob on top of amdgpu .. else you fall back to the openradeon driver
291 [02:22:35] <RoyK> oerheks: <> ? that's pascal syntax :D
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293 [02:22:49] <testdrive> SQL :D
294 [02:22:58] <RoyK> !=
295 [02:23:21] <disbute> freepascal
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298 [02:23:55] <testdrive> RoyK: it's possible that they are not as good but is there a proof of that? also amdgpu=pro driver doesn't really work with many cards so there aren't many choices here
299 [02:24:01] <RoyK> disbute: which is, in essense, borland pascal (former turbo pascal)
300 [02:24:37] <testdrive> oerheks: I only know that the only driver AMD provides right now is amdgpu-pro
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302 [02:25:05] <oerheks> testdrive, and the openradeon for older cards 5xxx and such
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305 [02:25:21] <RoyK> testdrive: honestly, I don't have much experience with GPU issues on linux, just saying what I know, and it may be a bit too theorethical
306 [02:25:27] <testdrive> oerheks: it\s thje free driver, it works with newer cards too
307 [02:25:53] <oerheks> ehh, wrong, newer cards will automatic load the amdgpu driver.
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309 [02:26:06] <testdrive> RoyK: no problem, I was just curious if there were some tests done or something because I heard different opinions
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311 [02:27:02] <disbute> it's like mesa vs nvidia's drivers
312 [02:27:15] <oerheks> amdpro is open source too..
313 [02:27:23] <testdrive> oerheks: the open source one is radeon right?
314 [02:27:25] <oerheks> err amdgpu *
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317 [02:27:52] <oerheks> Only the amdgpu-pro is a binairy blob.
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319 [02:28:15] <disbute> amd just gave the source to the foss community instead of hiring programmer to make drivers for Linux
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321 [02:28:40] <testdrive> if that\s the case could you show me where I can download amdgpu and its code? I must have got it all wrong and I tried searching some time ago and couldn't find anything
322 [02:29:42] <testdrive> the only drivers I could find were oibaf's drivers or amdgpu-pro
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328 [02:31:16] <oerheks> easy to find: replaced-url
329 [02:31:54] <disbute> replaced-url
330 [02:32:43] <testdrive> so you can't install amdgpu because they are already part of the kernel?
331 [02:33:10] <oerheks> Jups, you have it, or you have the openradeon
332 [02:33:19] <testdrive> ok I see
333 [02:33:37] <oerheks> * which is fine, i run openradeon with 2 screens/2 movies same time
334 [02:33:45] <disbute> 300+ support amd pro
335 [02:33:50] <testdrive> so it\s still either the free drivers that come with gnu/linux or the amdgpu-pro ones
336 [02:34:38] <testdrive> I run the free drivers too and they work fine for me
337 [02:35:13] <disbute> Right now nvidia is pertty much your only option if you want a gpu for gaming
338 [02:35:29] <disbute> cause crypto miners keep buying amd video cards
339 [02:36:41] <testdrive> is it bad that they buy amd cards?
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343 [02:38:27] <disbute> it's not bad that they do it just eats up supply
344 [02:38:42] <testdrive> I wish both those companies released free firmware
345 [02:38:50] <testdrive> I see
346 [02:39:15] <testdrive> to use my gpu I had to install non free firmware and that sucks
347 [02:40:21] <disbute> Well there are only 2 companies to buy GPU from
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349 [02:40:36] <testdrive> unfortunately
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351 [02:41:39] <testdrive> same with CPUs and both companies have a way to put backdoors into their CPUs without us knowing
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354 [02:42:45] <disbute> at least AMD made a cpu that can compete with Intel after years of an Intel monopoly
355 [02:42:52] <testdrive> there is something Intel ME that's integrated into all new Intel CPUs and has access to the network and can work even when the PC is turned off
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357 [02:43:07] <annadane> intel management engine
358 [02:43:12] <testdrive> yeah
359 [02:43:17] <testdrive> more choice is always better
360 [02:43:41] <annadane> though they've just about neutered it
361 [02:43:46] <testdrive> not always but usually
362 [02:43:50] <testdrive> what do you mean?
363 [02:43:51] <annadane> i forget the name of the project working on cracking it
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365 [02:44:16] <testdrive> hmm I've read the system can't run without it
366 [02:44:32] <testdrive> nothing will boot
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368 [02:46:41] <disbute> replaced-url
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370 [02:49:33] <cossin> jessie -> strech upgrade question. any gotcha for systems which uses sysvinit-core and instead of systemd?
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373 [02:49:53] <testdrive> "Completely removing the ME from these systems is impossible, however disabling parts of the ME are not"
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376 [02:51:16] <testdrive> also read this replaced-url
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378 [02:52:10] <testdrive> "It is unlikely that any post-2008 Intel hardware will ever be supported in libreboot, due to severe security and freedom issues; so severe, that the libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern Intel hardware. If you have an Intel based system affected by the problems described below, then you should get rid of it as soon as possible (...)"
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380 [02:52:54] <annadane> cossin, not sure but see replaced-url
381 [02:53:15] <disbute> Only problem with that is pretty much every cpu from 2010+ can't be used
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384 [02:53:45] <testdrive> libreboot says 2008+
385 [02:55:04] <testdrive> we have some OSes, now we need a fee CPU
386 [02:55:14] <RoyK> I wonder how the ME is able to communicate across the net without getting an IP address
387 [02:55:15] <testdrive> *free
388 [02:55:46] <testdrive> I think it just uses the network card built in the motherboard
389 [02:56:18] <RoyK> so if I set a static IP, how does it find that_
390 [02:56:20] <RoyK> ?
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392 [02:56:46] <testdrive> hmm that's interesting
393 [02:56:49] <RoyK> L3 sniffing?
394 [02:57:09] <RoyK> shouldn't be too hard, though
395 [02:57:10] <testdrive> we know that ME has access to all your system's memory so it could get it from there whenever it wanted to
396 [02:57:31] <RoyK> it's probably a lot easier to just sniff it
397 [02:57:53] <testdrive> I don't know, but you might be right
398 [02:58:11] <testdrive> it can sniff anything including passwords
399 [02:58:12] <disbute> still has to go to server
400 [02:58:50] <RoyK> guess I'll try to find an old PC from work and let connect it to a raspberry pi or something for a router just to see
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403 [02:59:08] <disbute> wireshark and snort
404 [02:59:12] <RoyK> s/let //
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408 [02:59:48] <RoyK> just let the thing be powered on and have wireshark log everything from ethX
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410 [02:59:57] <petemc> replaced-url
411 [03:00:06] <RoyK> that is, not powered on, but with the power plug
412 [03:00:14] <testdrive> I hope you find something interesting but it could be hard. If ME sends any data anywhere we don't know when it does that, what triggers it. It's possible that Intel decided to not use its features yet
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415 [03:01:17] <disbute> Maybe it's for certain targets
416 [03:01:26] <testdrive> petemc: scary stuff I will get nightmares
417 [03:01:50] <annadane> anyone mind telling me what that is before i click it?
418 [03:02:06] <testdrive> it's about Intel don't worry
419 [03:02:16] <testdrive> this technology is scary it\s what I meant
420 [03:02:18] <RoyK> I wonder what AMD has
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424 [03:02:31] <petemc> a blog covering what is being discussed
425 [03:02:38] <testdrive> replaced-url
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428 [03:03:14] <testdrive> "It is extremely unlikely that any post-2013 AMD hardware will ever be supported in libreboot, due to severe security and freedom issues; so severe, that the libreboot project recommends avoiding all modern AMD hardware. If you have an AMD based system affected by the problems described below, then you should get rid of it as soon as possible (...)"
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430 [03:04:12] <disbute> I wonder how powerful malware would be if someone found a exploit
431 [03:04:22] <RoyK> smells of NSA/CIA all the way
432 [03:04:23] <petemc> hella
433 [03:04:34] <testdrive> there were exploits
434 [03:04:56] <testdrive> for similar things, I can try to find links
435 [03:05:31] <klys> is there any way to get vt-d/iommu without psp/ime ?
436 [03:05:44] <petemc> idk
437 [03:06:14] <testdrive> if you read this paper replaced-url
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439 [03:06:19] <testdrive> I think it was stated there that you can't
440 [03:06:27] <testdrive> because ME has access to everything
441 [03:07:55] <petemc> chips on the motherboard will
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443 [03:08:21] <klys> I think the next thing will be the qfuse's that you see on modern arm systems
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445 [03:08:46] <disbute> You should avoid buying lenovo laptops
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448 [03:09:07] <petemc> or anything made in china
449 [03:09:19] <klys> the arm SoC has hundreds of qualcomm's qfuse's and no one has seen the firmware that controls them yet
450 [03:09:27] <petemc> electronics on the whole
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452 [03:09:44] <disbute> Most high end hardware is made in taiwan
453 [03:09:49] * dvs dumps his laptop
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456 [03:10:42] <testdrive> disbute: lenovo laptops have backdoors right?
457 [03:10:42] <petemc> im using an arm based laptop
458 [03:10:49] <disbute> yes
459 [03:10:53] <petemc> pinebook, it kinda sucks
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461 [03:11:12] <testdrive> because it\s arm?
462 [03:11:14] <disbute> replaced-url
463 [03:11:21] <petemc> no, the keyboard
464 [03:11:30] <testdrive> oh yeah Ive heard of superfish
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466 [03:11:48] <disbute> It's apart of the bios so it was not OS level
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468 [03:12:09] <testdrive> damn
469 [03:12:26] <testdrive> so you could install gnu/linux and it wouldn't change anything?
470 [03:12:48] <petemc> it would change the installed os
471 [03:13:00] <testdrive> petemc: can you run most of the same app on amr as on other platforms or does it have to be for arm specific?
472 [03:13:06] <testdrive> wow
473 [03:13:15] <testdrive> thats evil
474 [03:13:24] <annadane> i think, guys, #debian-offtopic would be a better place
475 [03:13:28] <annadane> as this is for debian support
476 [03:13:43] <RoyK> petemc: ok, so you should avoid anything from china, and amd, and intel - what's left?
477 [03:13:48] <testdrive> nobody is asking for support though :)
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479 [03:13:56] <testdrive> hahaha
480 [03:13:57] * RoyK hands petemc a typewriter
481 [03:14:10] * petemc sends RoyK a letter
482 [03:14:19] <testdrive> whats left is
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485 [03:14:37] <RoyK> the letters are probably scanned
486 [03:14:40] <testdrive> make sure we get a free CPU just like we have free OSes
487 [03:14:45] <RoyK> and they evesdrop your phone
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489 [03:14:53] <RoyK> et cetera et cetera ad infinitum
490 [03:15:04] <testdrive> yeah letters might be scanned
491 [03:15:13] <testdrive> unless you encrypt them!
492 [03:15:23] <disbute> Let's go back to paper no one can hack that
493 [03:15:24] <testdrive> GPG over mail :D
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495 [03:15:42] <RoyK> disbute: what sort of machine would you use for the encryption, then? an enigma?
496 [03:15:52] <klys> the best way to make a new free cpu is to program an fpga.
497 [03:16:01] <testdrive> what is that?
498 [03:16:08] <petemc> annadane has a point, this is very off topic
499 [03:16:09] <klys> flat pin-grid array
500 [03:16:15] <disbute> By going back 3 times on the alphabet
501 [03:16:27] <RoyK> field-programmable gate array
502 [03:16:35] <klys> ^
503 [03:16:36] <testdrive> petemc: those are important topic that everyone should know about though
504 [03:16:46] <petemc> theres a time and a place
505 [03:16:59] <RoyK> klys: that depends on the FPGA
506 [03:17:12] <RoyK> klys: I don't really know any free software for it - google might know
507 [03:17:13] <testdrive> Ive heard there were some projects to createa free cpu?
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509 [03:17:37] <RoyK> testdrive: should be doable with ARM
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512 [03:17:51] <testdrive> RoyK: really? I thought arm was closed
513 [03:17:56] <RoyK> testdrive: I mean - ARM is just a design company
514 [03:18:10] <RoyK> testdrive: eh? most phones, like 99% of them, use ARM
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516 [03:18:33] <testdrive> RoyK: yeah I know but itsn't arm secret? I\m sure it has some closed components
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518 [03:19:06] <RoyK> testdrive: they don't make CPUs, they design them and sell the design to whoever wants to make them
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520 [03:19:25] <somiaj> It has been mentioned you should move this conversation else where, so please do.
521 [03:19:29] <testdrive> RoyK ooh
522 [03:19:46] <RoyK> testdrive: #debian-offtopic, perhaps? ;)
523 [03:20:03] <coruja> testdrive, RoyK, pls stop offtopic chat here, else you will be removed from here sooner or later ;)
524 [03:20:10] <testdrive> what is the reason? nobody is asking for support so we don't interrupt anybody and if someone joins we will be able to help them because we will be here
525 [03:20:17] <somiaj> !chat
526 [03:20:17] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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528 [03:20:27] <RoyK> coruja: I just asked him to get to offtopic ;)
529 [03:20:32] * somiaj looks around (:
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531 [03:20:33] <testdrive> again what is the reason?
532 [03:20:57] <testdrive> RoyK: sure they clearly don't want us here :)
533 [03:21:10] <somiaj> testdrive: this is a debian support channel, even if no support is going on, it could keep users from asking actual support questions by having a drawn out off topic conversation.
534 [03:21:11] <disbute> Cause this is the support channel for debian
535 [03:21:13] <frazr> is this a support channel?
536 [03:21:18] <coruja> testdrive, supporters notice activity here and it should be asking for support then, not off-topic chat
537 [03:21:20] <annadane> frazr, yes
538 [03:21:26] <frazr> funny
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541 [03:21:58] <testdrive> and we are here to give them support but if nobody is asking questions is it better if we leave or better if we stary and talk until they join?
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543 [03:22:13] <annadane> let's just skip the argument and everyone go join #debian-offtopic
544 [03:22:15] <frazr> don't see why it can't be both, i'd say its more of a chat channel than support :Po
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546 [03:22:46] <testdrive> and we talk about technology so it's not like we discuss something very irrelevant
547 [03:22:55] <coruja> frazr, then you didn't get my point
548 [03:23:08] <annadane> testdrive, you're arguing with one of the mods of the channel, i suggest you stop, irrespective of what you think
549 [03:23:16] <frazr> got your point, just think its nonsense
550 [03:23:16] <frazr> :)
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552 [03:23:40] <testdrive> annadane: why?
553 [03:23:42] <somiaj> testdrive: if you are off topic you will be quieted. Many only look at this channel when there is activity, best keep the chanel free for support. There are plenty of other channels for other conversations. A few off topic remarks are okay, but this has gone beond that. Please take this to #debian-offtopic otherwise I will start quieting people.
554 [03:23:56] <annadane> because you're likely to get banned
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556 [03:24:42] <testdrive> somiaj: why though? are we stopping anyone from getting support? especially when there is nobody here asking for support? are we bothering anyone in any way?
557 [03:25:07] <frazr> i usually join this channel when i need support for something, never recieve it and then idle
558 [03:25:12] <frazr> :)
559 [03:25:13] <annadane> "many only look at this channel when there is activity"
560 [03:25:19] <RoyK> some random chat will always happen, but when it gets too far and floods the channel, it's time to leave to #debian-offtopic or somewhere
561 [03:25:22] <somiaj> testdrive: we have explained to you why. Partly it is policy, please respect the volunteers who are here for debian support and stick on topic.
562 [03:25:36] <helloworld42> please don't arbitrarily ban ppl, that ain't right
563 [03:25:43] <somiaj> and when multiple people have asked you to move the conversation, that means it has gone to far. so enough, lets get back to debian support.
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565 [03:26:54] <testdrive> somiaj: I am here for the same reason as you are - to give people support. You didn't answer my questions and I don\t see how this discussion is hurtinh anyone but it looks like I'm not respected here so I might not join this channel every again
566 [03:27:02] <somiaj> helloworld42: bans are temporary and only used if people keep acting a certain way.
567 [03:27:25] <somiaj> helloworld42: the ops ehre don't just ban for no reason.
568 [03:27:55] <somiaj> testdrive: it is the policy of the channel, read the factoid about chat the bot mentioned.
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571 [03:28:39] <testdrive> I guess I can't argue with policy
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573 [03:28:56] <somiaj> anyways, if there is no support going on it is prefered the channel stay topic. There are plenty of other places to have off topic conversations.
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575 [03:29:10] <klys> testdrive, #osdev
576 [03:29:50] <testdrive> klys: what do you mean?
577 [03:30:05] <somiaj> arg channel stay quiet.
578 [03:30:32] <frazr> #supportnosupport
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580 [03:30:38] <RoyK> testdrive: please
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583 [03:30:56] <testdrive> RoyK: what?
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656 [04:19:16] <lindylex> I have this card 02:09.0 Ethernet controller: Qualcomm Atheros AR5212/5213/2414 Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01) and when I run "lshw -C network" I get "*-network:1 UNCLAIMED" as part of the output.
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660 [04:20:43] <RoyK> lindylex: check if there's a firmware for it - probably in non-free
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664 [04:22:20] <lindylex> Is this the firmware? I got this from "lsmod" : ath5k 139264 0
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668 [04:26:17] <klys> lindylex, your ath5k kernel module probably loaded without a required firmware file in /lib/firmware. check with dmesg | less
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671 [04:27:15] <somiaj> dmesg | grep firmware might be more efficent
672 [04:27:50] <lindylex> `dmesg | grep -i ath
673 [04:27:50] <lindylex> [ 10.126765] ath5k 0000:02:09.0: registered as 'phy0'
674 [04:27:51] <lindylex> [ 10.156713] ath5k: phy0: POST Failed !!!
675 [04:27:51] <lindylex> [ 10.157091] ath5k: probe of 0000:02:09.0 failed with error -11
676 [04:28:07] <annadane> lindylex, for future reference use paste.debian.net for more than 2 lines
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678 [04:28:18] <somiaj> lindylex: we need more info, and please use paste.debian.net (give us the other lines around those lines)
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687 [04:30:55] <lindylex> Is this enough info : replaced-url
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693 [04:31:57] <somiaj> lindylex: I meant from dmesg, the grepping lost some lines before and after what you pasted from dmesg | grep -i ath
694 [04:32:14] <lindylex> ok let me add it all.
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701 [04:34:53] <lindylex> This is dmesg output : replaced-url
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706 [04:38:54] <somiaj> unsure what the error ath5k: phy0: POST Failed !!! means, I thought there would be more info near the output to say what was going on
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709 [04:39:40] <lindylex> It is really strange to me. It use to work and then it stopped.
710 [04:39:52] <somiaj> lindylex: did it work before you supsended it?
711 [04:40:00] <lindylex> the card is scene with lspci
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713 [04:40:15] <lindylex> I rebooted. I never suspended it.
714 [04:40:40] <somiaj> well that is almost sounding like some hardware issue. I don't seem to see much other info
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716 [04:41:14] <lindylex> lspci sees it. So it is fine I assume?
717 [04:41:58] <somiaj> that only means it is seen on the bus, when the driver is loaded it access the hardware. The hardware failed to POST
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720 [04:42:17] <lindylex> I rebooted.
721 [04:43:14] <lindylex> Same
722 [04:43:39] <somiaj> I see various posts on forums about issues with this, but not finding much info. To me the error is saying when the module is loaded it tries to access (turn on) the hardware, and the wifi card itself is failing to POST
723 [04:43:56] <somiaj> if you didn't change the kernel between when it worked/didn't work, it seems like hardware
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725 [04:44:08] <somiaj> you are running debian stable? only getting security updates or have other stuff going on?
726 [04:44:21] <somiaj> (note it doesn't have to be a hardware issue, but it appears to be one)
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728 [04:45:01] <lindylex> This is Debian testing.
729 [04:45:19] <somiaj> there is a chance you ran across a bug, you might want to install debian stable and see if it works.
730 [04:45:27] <somiaj> (well try a live image)
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732 [04:45:51] <somiaj> but the driver is failing to POST the hardware, so in essence it is failing to properly load the card when the module is loaded.
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734 [04:45:59] <lindylex> This is a old computer. I am running it as a headless audio server.
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767 [05:03:02] <lindylex> I am changing the card to see if a different card will work better.
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789 [05:11:21] <lindylex> somiaj: I fixed it. I guess the card is not working properly.
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815 [05:35:14] <ghormoon> hi, any idea what to do with dpkg that hangs on error with building dkms? tried installing kernel 4.12, have zfs installed and building spl fails (make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.) and dpkg hangs at that
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819 [05:39:11] <annadane> ghormoon, this is on stretch?
820 [05:39:34] <ghormoon> yes
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828 [05:47:49] <ghormoon> process "run-parts --report --exit-on-error --arg=4.12.0-0.bpo.1-amd64 /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d" hangs on (strace output): "pselect6(6, [5], NULL, NULL, NULL, {[], 8}"
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883 [06:25:23] <zerocool> hi everyone :)
884 [06:25:57] <harindu95> hey
885 [06:26:25] <zerocool> harindu95: what are you doing tonight?
886 [06:26:43] <harindu95> just wasting time. Reading fiction. wbu?
887 [06:27:08] <zerocool> im
888 [06:27:20] <zerocool> talking to my irl friends
889 [06:27:29] <harindu95> cool
890 [06:28:01] <harindu95> do you use a email client?
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893 [06:28:31] <zerocool> yhes
894 [06:28:33] <zerocool> yes
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896 [06:28:37] <somiaj> !chat
897 [06:28:38] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
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899 [06:29:06] <harindu95> lol @dpkg ok
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905 [06:32:17] <earendel> help. i have just deleted a folder via rm -rf <node> .. just wanted to delete the link. question: can i somehow undo this? it just happened.
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909 [06:34:34] <somiaj> earendel: not easily, there are ways you can scan disks for deleted files to try to recover them.
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911 [06:35:17] <somiaj> rm removes the file systems info about the file, so you have to manually scan the unused part of your disk to try to recover it, and this is usually possible if they aren't to fragmented. Also you want to make sure no more writes happen to the disk as they could overwrite the files
912 [06:36:27] <earendel> i hoped so. can u just give me the exact line to execute? (at best)
913 [06:36:54] <somiaj> it isn't that easy.
914 [06:37:13] <somiaj> there is no exact line, you will recover lots of files and have to manually go through each one one at a time to see if they are what you want, and you can only get some
915 [06:37:26] <somiaj> but first you should mount the file system read only and make a copy of it, so you can use that for data recover
916 [06:37:31] <earendel> it was a folder.. maybe 100kb
917 [06:37:40] <earendel> nothing complicated..
918 [06:37:44] <earendel> im just a bash noob.
919 [06:38:02] <earendel> please ping me somebody if you know what to do.
920 [06:38:03] <somiaj> replaced-url
921 [06:38:09] <earendel> .thanks a lot <3
922 [06:38:17] <somiaj> this is not some that is easy. You rm'd the files, it will take a lot of work to recover it
923 [06:38:55] <somiaj> basically the files could still be on the drive. But the information about where on the drive they live is gone forever. So you have to manually do data recovery which is not an easy process
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959 [07:14:19] <preaction> i am trying to restart rsyslogd, but systemctl restart rsyslog hangs forever. how can i restart rsyslogd?
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968 [07:18:19] <somiaj> preaction: systemctl status rsyslogd give any clues?
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971 [07:19:10] <preaction> just "Warning: Journal has been rotated since unit was started. Log output is incomplete or unavailable."
972 [07:19:52] <preaction> i don't know what to look for. i can find basically no information on how to understand problems with systemd...
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974 [07:20:11] <preaction> here's the full output: replaced-url
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980 [07:24:19] <preaction> because it looks like the journal was stopped 9 months ago: Dec 01 08:37:49 cpantesters3.dh.bytemark.co.uk systemd-journal[26938]: Journal stopped
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1146 [09:42:44] <gregor2> hi
1147 [09:43:31] <gregor2> I dont get this device working:
1148 [09:43:36] <gregor2> Realtek® GbE LAN chip (10/100/1000 Mbit)
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1151 [09:44:20] <gregor2> i am trying to install debian wheezy and also tried nonfree firmware.
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1153 [09:44:55] <gregor2> There is a eth0 but i just cat ping my router or anything else.
1154 [09:45:22] <cossin> what do you get when calling: lspci -nv
1155 [09:45:26] <gregor2> why can this be?
1156 [09:45:57] <gregor2> alot of things
1157 [09:46:20] <gregor2> i cant copy it because i have no internet.
1158 [09:48:14] <cossin> lspci -nn | grep Network
1159 [09:48:17] <gregor2> can i tell you something specific?
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1161 [09:49:16] <gregor2> doesnt output anything
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1163 [09:50:22] <klys> gregor2, then your network controller isn't a pci device?
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1165 [09:51:09] <gregor2> maybe
1166 [09:51:14] <gregor2> i dont know
1167 [09:51:14] <cossin> if lspci show Realtek grep this line
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1170 [09:51:42] <gregor2> ok
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1175 [09:53:52] <gregor2> so
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1179 [09:55:26] <klys> gregor2, please paste the contents of lspci; lsusb; lspnp; to replaced-url
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1183 [09:56:02] <gregor2> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168] (rev 0c)
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1185 [09:56:31] <gregor2> this is one line of l
1186 [09:56:39] <cossin> good
1187 [09:56:52] <gregor2> ok
1188 [09:57:12] <gregor2> one line of lspci -nn
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1191 [09:57:49] <AndreasLutro> can I ask why you're installing wheezy?
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1193 [09:58:32] <cossin> replaced-url
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1196 [09:58:57] <cossin> would be usefull for your nic problem
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1201 [09:59:46] <gregor2> i am just installing wheezy because i want to use it for burning stretch on dvd.
1202 [09:59:56] <gregor2> XD
1203 [10:00:40] <gregor2> nic problem?
1204 [10:01:02] <gregor2> would i also have this problem with stretch?
1205 [10:01:04] <babilen> Why wouldn't you install stretch to begin with?
1206 [10:01:09] <klys> gregor2, more like, firmware problem.
1207 [10:01:19] <babilen> You need the firmware image or provide it
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1209 [10:01:42] <gregor2> the link seems dead
1210 [10:01:49] <babilen> dpkg: rtl8411
1211 [10:01:49] <dpkg> The Realtek RTL8411 is a PCIe Gigabit Ethernet controller with an integrated card reader controller. The Ethernet controller is supported by <r8169> since Linux 3.5; a firmware patch (rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw) is packaged since firmware-realtek 0.37. The card reader (PCI ID 10ec:5289, aka "Barossa Plus Plus") is supported by the rtsx_pci module since Linux 3.8.
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1214 [10:02:10] <babilen> replaced-url
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1216 [10:02:31] <babilen> judd: v firmware-realtek
1217 [10:02:32] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free: 20170823-1; sid/non-free: 20170823-1
1218 [10:02:59] <gregor2> yes the second one is dead to
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1220 [10:03:19] <gregor2> oh
1221 [10:03:24] <gregor2> i just
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1224 [10:04:06] <gregor2> no probably its not dead
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1227 [10:04:44] <gregor2> the second one isnt dead
1228 [10:04:58] <gregor2> cd-including firmware
1229 [10:05:04] <gregor2> that works
1230 [10:06:01] <gregor2> i also installed the package firmware-realtek
1231 [10:06:17] <gregor2> nothing changed there
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1234 [10:07:34] <klys> if you install new firmware you have to reload your modules or reboot.
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1237 [10:08:20] <gregor2> i did that already
1238 [10:08:26] <gregor2> reboot
1239 [10:08:38] <gregor2> i always rebooted
1240 [10:09:13] <klys> do you have a file at finnd /lib/firmware | grep rtl8411-1.fw
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1242 [10:09:20] <cossin> does dmesg show issues loading a module?
1243 [10:09:23] <klys> find*
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1245 [10:09:43] <gregor2> no
1246 [10:09:51] <gregor2> i dont have that filr
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1250 [10:11:40] <klys> gregor2, dpkg -L firmware-realtek | grep rtl8411-1.fw
1251 [10:13:42] <ikonia> /w/win 2
1252 [10:13:46] <ikonia> oops, sorry
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1257 [10:15:54] <gregor2> nothimg
1258 [10:16:36] <gregor2> oh
1259 [10:16:43] <gregor2> now i found it
1260 [10:17:11] <gregor2> /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw
1261 [10:17:28] <gregor2> i have to learn all those trivks better
1262 [10:17:35] <gregor2> the tricks
1263 [10:18:04] <gregor2> like searching with find, grep and | and so on.
1264 [10:18:06] <cossin> dmesg | grep -i err
1265 [10:19:14] <gregor2> its finding alot with interrupt
1266 [10:19:43] <ziongate> hi all
1267 [10:20:02] <gregor2> PCI Interrupt Link...
1268 [10:20:09] <ziongate> was wondering why in "unstable" there is a quite old version of eclispe available
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1273 [10:23:04] <gregor2> at the end it says IPv6: eth0: link becomes ready
1274 [10:24:03] <klys> that means the wire is plugged in.
1275 [10:24:22] <gregor2> yes it is
1276 [10:24:38] <gregor2> but why isnt anything working then?
1277 [10:24:54] <gregor2> if it even recognizes that?
1278 [10:25:06] <klys> what's the ip of your gateway, your local interface, and your netmask?
1279 [10:25:26] <gregor2> 192.168.0.128
1280 [10:25:35] <gregor2> thats the gateway
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1282 [10:25:47] <gregor2> 255.255.255.0 mask
1283 [10:26:13] <gregor2> and i configured 192.168.0.135 as my address
1284 [10:26:15] <no_gravity> Is it possible to disable http via iptables?
1285 [10:26:20] <klys> please paste the output of ifconfig -a; route -n; to replaced-url
1286 [10:26:38] <gregor2> because dhcp diddnt worked.
1287 [10:26:44] <no_gravity> Since browsers do not offer an easy way to disable http, I think disabling it on the OS level might be a good way to make sure I am using only https.
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1289 [10:28:39] <gregor2> gateway is 0.0.0.0 it says with route -n
1290 [10:28:40] <no_gravity> This seems to work: iptables -A OUTPUT -p tcp --dport 80 -j DROP
1291 [10:29:15] <gregor2> what is bcast
1292 [10:29:29] <gregor2> i used the ip of the router in bcast
1293 [10:29:35] <gregor2> is that right?
1294 [10:29:39] <cossin> no
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1296 [10:30:02] <gregor2> so what is broadcast?
1297 [10:30:21] <cossin> 192.168.0.255
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1299 [10:30:33] <gregor2> why that
1300 [10:30:52] <gregor2> lets try that
1301 [10:30:59] <cossin> your mask is 255.255.255.0
1302 [10:32:06] <gregor2> so why is the broadcast 192.168.0.255?
1303 [10:32:22] <klys> because it is the result of simple aritmetic.
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1305 [10:32:43] <gregor2> well it doesnt matter
1306 [10:32:51] <gregor2> its not working annyway
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1308 [10:33:20] <klys> the gateway address is in the second column. the first column should say 0.0.0.0
1309 [10:33:48] <gregor2> where?
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1312 [10:34:10] <klys> in the output of route -n
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1315 [10:34:42] <cossin> do: ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.135; route add default gw 192.168.0.123
1316 [10:34:49] <gregor2> now i have two rows
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1318 [10:35:18] <gregor2> gateway is 192.168.0.128
1319 [10:35:22] <gregor2> thats right
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1321 [10:35:29] <cossin> yes
1322 [10:35:33] <klys> can you ping 198.60.22.2 ?
1323 [10:35:37] <gregor2> and destination 0.0.0.0
1324 [10:36:06] <gregor2> no
1325 [10:36:10] <cossin> * ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.135; route add default gw 192.168.0.128
1326 [10:36:22] <klys> can you ping 192.168.0.128 ?
1327 [10:36:23] <gregor2> i cant eaven ping my router
1328 [10:36:37] <gregor2> which is on the other side of the cable
1329 [10:36:59] <klys> # arp
1330 [10:38:16] <klys> are you using a patch cable or a crossover cable to connect your pc to your router?
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1332 [10:38:38] <gregor2> what should network be?
1333 [10:38:53] <gregor2> network 192.168.0.0
1334 [10:39:07] <gregor2> broadcast 192.168.0.255
1335 [10:39:28] <klys> yes those are both good values.
1336 [10:39:41] <gregor2> and now?
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1338 [10:39:54] <gregor2> i have tried everything.
1339 [10:39:56] <klys> did you run arp ?
1340 [10:40:09] <cossin> it looks like device driver issues
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1343 [10:41:21] <klys> gregor2, # cp /etc/resolv.conf resolf.bak; dhclient -d eth0
1344 [10:41:39] <gregor2> arp
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1346 [10:41:43] <gregor2> and now
1347 [10:41:58] <gregor2> it says address 192.168.0.128
1348 [10:42:21] <klys> probably without a corresponding mac address, though.
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1350 [10:42:56] <cossin> arp -n
1351 [10:43:19] <gregor2> HWaddress incomplete
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1353 [10:43:30] <gregor2> it says with arp -n
1354 [10:43:37] <klys> yeah, that's what you get for pinging unreachable addresses on your lan.
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1356 [10:44:15] <gregor2> but the address should be reachable
1357 [10:44:20] <DrBunsen> Hello, is it just me or haven't I had new packages(apt-get update && upgrade) for a few weeks? Or am I just used to testing and think something is wrong with stable(currently running stable?
1358 [10:44:56] <klys> drbunsen, is stable jessie in /etc/apt/sources.list ?
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1360 [10:45:33] <DrBunsen> klys: jupp, triple checked that tbh
1361 [10:45:45] <DrBunsen> Woops, I mean stretch
1362 [10:46:06] <DrBunsen> deb replaced-url
1363 [10:46:21] <cossin> gregor2: egrep 'net|eth0'
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1365 [10:46:31] <cossin> gregor2: dmesg | egrep 'net|eth0'
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1367 [10:46:43] <klys> drbunsen, uhh, stretch was released somewhat recently. do you have backports and updates configurd also?
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1370 [10:48:16] <DrBunsen> klys: I have no backports, I changed jessie to stretch like a year ago since I needed a few packages and didn't want to make a frankendebian, but since stretch released as stable I only had like 3 packages that needed updating.
1371 [10:48:52] <gregor2> it says a view lines and at the end eth0: link up
1372 [10:49:36] <klys> drbunsen, deb replaced-url
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1375 [10:50:43] <DrBunsen> klys, isn;t deb repoURL version main etc anymore?
1376 [10:51:18] <klys> drbunsen, once it's released, it's pretty well frozen.
1377 [10:51:33] <okamis> Hello, I got intel hd graphics 610, how do I get the latest driver and ensure its functioning properly.
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1379 [10:51:51] <okamis> Hoping it to solve my screen errors, when watching a movie sometimes a diagonal split can be seen
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1381 [10:52:06] <DrBunsen> klys, So I was just expecting too much updates? That would be nice
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1385 [10:53:46] <klys> drbunsen, if you want stretch-proposed-updates it can be used in conjunction with your existing stretch sources. that's up to you.
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1390 [10:56:03] <annadane> okamis, dmesg | grep firmware as root
1391 [10:56:21] <annadane> post to paste.debian.net and give us the link
1392 [10:57:01] <okamis> replaced-url
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1394 [10:57:32] <okamis> I just uninstalled xserver-xorg-video-intel before
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1396 [10:59:12] <klys> okamis: apt-get install firmware-realtek firmware-misc-nonfree
1397 [10:59:56] <annadane> okamis, ^ and you'll need contrib and non-free in your sources list
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1399 [11:00:40] <annadane> mind you apt-cache search i915 also gives xserver-xorg-video-intel which may be slightly less bloat/unnecessary stuff
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1402 [11:02:17] <protonesso> rm -rf
1403 [11:02:23] <okamis> okey doki
1404 [11:02:44] <annadane> okamis, not that it really matters, you're probably fine with what klys said
1405 [11:02:54] <okamis> how long should the rm -rf run for?
1406 [11:03:20] <annadane> rm -rf? no, don't use that...
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1408 [11:03:45] <hid3> Hello everyone. Not totally related to Debian but.. It will still have Debian involved in the setup :) I need to set up a storage server for a couple of IP network cameras which will be sending the video recordings to it. I have a choice between FTP and NFS protocols. Which of those two protocols is better and less resource hungry for such task? I really want to save CPU cycles on the cameras (to prevent frame loss) and as well on the storage server itself..
1409 [11:04:02] <klys> okamis, in order to set the resolution, you'll need to add something like this to your kernel commandline in grub: i915.modeset=1 video=LVDS-1:1280x800-16@60
1410 [11:05:19] <klys> hid3, nfs is easiest, ftp is les prone to cause a problem.
1411 [11:05:58] <okamis> Just a sec, im good with a terminal but Im rather new to adding stuff and sources list and fixes like that.
1412 [11:06:50] <hid3> klys, easiest on what?
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1414 [11:07:05] <klys> hid3, it just uses a simple mount command
1415 [11:07:34] <rotaticus> rm -rf is useless as it misses the file argument ... man rm ... and stop unwitty jokes
1416 [11:07:41] <annadane> not sure whether this is relevant but
1417 [11:07:44] <annadane> !ftp must die
1418 [11:07:44] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
1419 [11:08:25] <hid3> come on...
1420 [11:08:36] <protonesso> debain
1421 [11:08:46] <hid3> it's not about debian mirrors or anything facing internet
1422 [11:08:51] <hid3> it's a simple home setup
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1428 [11:10:29] <klys> hid3, you might be able to script your ftp commands with ncftp or curl, just that I can't help you with that.
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1431 [11:10:57] <hid3> no, not going into all that wrapper stuff...
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1433 [11:11:12] <hid3> I just need to set up something efficient and resource conservative
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1436 [11:12:31] <okamis> klys, annadane so I did the apt, I would just do a sidequestion here. If I leave my server over night the screen (connected to projector) stops working and I get no signal.
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1438 [11:13:18] <annadane> okamis, not sure about that problem, but just going back to firmware, you'll need to reboot for it to have an effect
1439 [11:13:28] <klys> hid3, the things to remember with nfs are always umount when not in use, /etc/exports: /mnt m.y.i.p(rw,crossmnt,nohide,subtree_check,no_root_squash) ;and alyays specify m.y.i.p in /etc/hosts.allow also you need nfs and nfsd support in your kernels, and nfs-kernel-server on the host side.
1440 [11:13:48] <okamis> alright, is it during reboot I fix kernel cmdline?
1441 [11:14:12] <klys> okamis, or you can fix your grub configuration and build it into your grub menu
1442 [11:14:43] <klys> just depends on if you've got it right and it works
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1444 [11:15:12] <klys> you can get your current settings with fbset
1445 [11:15:15] <okamis> So this part is a bit fuzzy, not knowledgeable.
1446 [11:15:24] <okamis> so please help me out with more details.
1447 [11:15:28] <okamis> great fbset
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1449 [11:15:38] <okamis> fbset not found
1450 [11:15:44] <annadane> need to install it
1451 [11:15:51] <klys> okamis, apt-get install fbset
1452 [11:16:08] <klys> okamis, your running X windows, are you?
1453 [11:16:20] <okamis> replaced-url
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1455 [11:16:47] <okamis> klys, did basic install with xfce
1456 [11:16:58] <klys> okamis, next you need your video output name. you can get that from xrandr
1457 [11:17:19] <okamis> cant open display. Im using ssh to connect to it
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1459 [11:17:44] <klys> okamis, as the user you started X with, $ xhost +
1460 [11:18:02] <klys> okamis, then DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
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1462 [11:19:01] <klys> if your system started X as root, then # xhost +
1463 [11:19:29] <okamis> Doenst work, might be related to the first problem.
1464 [11:19:42] <klys> oh, DISPLAY=:0 xhost +
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1466 [11:20:16] <okamis> as root ($DISPLAY=:0 xhost +) correct?
1467 [11:20:22] <klys> yes
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1469 [11:20:53] <okamis> is "$" the prompt?
1470 [11:21:22] <klys> yes
1471 [11:21:44] <klys> no, and yes.
1472 [11:21:47] <okamis> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
1473 [11:22:05] <klys> okamis, DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
1474 [11:22:27] <klys> and you'll see something like VGA, LVDS, HDMI, or DVI
1475 [11:22:46] <okamis> replaced-url
1476 [11:23:23] <okamis> Im starting the projector see if it will change to connected
1477 [11:24:08] <klys> i915.modeset=1 video=HDMI-1:1920x1080-16@60
1478 [11:24:37] <klys> just test that on your kernel commandline next time you boot
1479 [11:24:49] <klys> and if it works add it to your bootloader.
1480 [11:25:11] <okamis> Alright
1481 [11:25:40] <klys> presumably while booting, HDMI-1 is plugged in.
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1490 [11:28:47] <protonesso> rrr
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1499 [11:41:20] <okamis> so when I get the grub menu, If I press e I get this weird file. If I press c, I get a shell, I typed in your video settings and afterwards ran boot and it complained I didnt have a kernel
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1506 [11:43:35] <okamis> Im planning to use this server as a server and sometimes use it to connect to projector to watch movies. I the HDMI-1 is not always plugged in during reboot.
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1519 [11:49:57] <mrr0butt> Hi
1520 [11:50:06] <password2> hi
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1524 [11:51:33] <mrr0butt> is cuda 8 toolkit broken in stretch? get gcc/c errors after installing cuda
1525 [11:51:58] <mrr0butt> checking whether the C compiler works... no
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1527 [11:52:23] <mrr0butt> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
1528 [11:52:46] <mrr0butt> gcc is hashed (/usr/lib/nvidia-cuda-toolkit/bin/gcc)
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1533 [11:54:29] <cluelessperson> network namespaces are such a pain
1534 [11:55:17] <password2> hi cluelessperson
1535 [11:55:38] <password2> network namespaces
1536 [11:55:40] <password2> ?
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1539 [11:56:57] <klys> okamis, almost missed you
1540 [11:57:16] <klys> okamis, remember those are options to specity on the linux kernel commandline
1541 [11:58:11] <klys> okamis, the kernel commandline starts with linux and should say something like "linux /boot/vmlinuz-4.11.0-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda3 ro quiet"
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1543 [11:59:24] <klys> specify*
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1546 [12:00:19] <okamis> klys, Thank you, found a guide and I got it started
1547 [12:00:37] <okamis> My screen still has the diagonal split when watching so maybe the hardware is the problem.
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1549 [12:00:52] <okamis> So how can I verify that Im running what we installed?
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1551 [12:01:13] <klys> okamis, it sounds like the resolution might be a problem too. perhaps you shoul try 1024x768 or splething instead
1552 [12:01:36] <klys> okamis, same way as before, dmesg | grep firmware
1553 [12:02:07] <klys> something*
1554 [12:02:40] <okamis> dmesg | grep firmare -> replaced-url
1555 [12:03:05] <klys> okamis, looks good from this angle
1556 [12:03:24] <klys> okamis, did you reinstall your intel video driver module for X ?
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1558 [12:03:59] <okamis> The one I uninstalled? No, according to the guide it said something about modesetting
1559 [12:04:07] <klys> I think that's apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel
1560 [12:04:24] <klys> okamis, have you edited your X configuration?
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1562 [12:04:28] <okamis> yeah, I assumed my intel hd 610 was newer than 2017
1563 [12:04:40] <okamis> No I have yet touched my X configuration
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1566 [12:05:10] <klys> well try that driver-intel thing again, it should possibly work now
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1568 [12:05:50] <okamis> so, "apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-intel" reboot with the new i915.... settings?
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1570 [12:05:56] <klys> yes
1571 [12:06:08] <okamis> Roger Roger!
1572 [12:06:09] <klys> except this time try specifying 1024x768
1573 [12:06:16] <klys> instead of 1920x1080
1574 [12:06:19] <okamis> why though, its a hd projector
1575 [12:06:25] <klys> oh
1576 [12:06:36] <klys> well, if you didn't before then do now
1577 [12:06:45] <okamis> 1024 its :(
1578 [12:06:48] <klys> with the 1920x1080
1579 [12:06:51] <okamis> what?
1580 [12:07:04] <klys> if you didn't 1920x1080 before...
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1582 [12:07:11] <okamis> I did 1920 before
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1584 [12:07:27] <klys> and did it start X or give you a prompt?
1585 [12:07:34] <okamis> It started X
1586 [12:07:42] <klys> it probably started X. just do the same
1587 [12:07:51] <okamis> I got a gui
1588 [12:07:54] <okamis> okay same as before it is
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1596 [12:13:49] <okamis> klys, hello again, so I started vlc and I still got the diagonal disruption
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1598 [12:14:31] <okamis> But is the pc configured correctly now or is something missing?
1599 [12:14:43] <klys> okamis, A) you could go through the cycle a few more times, each time specifying a different resolution...
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1601 [12:15:02] <klys> okamis, B) you could attempt to change the resolution with xrandr
1602 [12:15:09] <cluelessperson> password2: I'm setting up a vpn, and I want certain applications to ONLY have access to the internet through that vpn. It appears that the method to do this is through network namespaces, where you estabish a seperate network environment for a process, and it's forced to use that
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1604 [12:15:27] <cluelessperson> password2: the problem is network namespaces aren't persistent, so you have to script their creation, and networking is hard.
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1607 [12:15:54] <cluelessperson> password2: Worse, systemd doesn't support it, even though the entire point is process/environment management.
1608 [12:15:59] <cluelessperson> so, it's dificult :/
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1612 [12:16:59] <klys> okamis, does fbset reveal a 16-bit framebuffer at least?
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1615 [12:18:52] <okamis> fbset > replaced-url
1616 [12:19:28] <klys> okamis, looks like either X overrode, or your option didn't make it through to the kernel
1617 [12:19:54] <okamis> is it /etc/default/grub I should update to make lasting changes?
1618 [12:20:01] <klys> okamis, what's xrandr say about available resolutions?
1619 [12:20:08] <klys> okamis, I think so, yes.
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1623 [12:22:22] <okamis> cannot open display
1624 [12:22:46] <klys> okamis, # DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
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1626 [12:23:42] <password2> cluelessperson, why not use subnetworks?
1627 [12:23:50] <okamis> to many incorrect permutations of display command :)
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1629 [12:23:59] <okamis> display 0 xrandr > replaced-url
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1635 [12:24:22] <okamis> oh hdmi-2 is connected
1636 [12:24:30] <cluelessperson> password2: I don't know what the subnet will be for the vpn
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1638 [12:25:08] <klys> okamis, you can add a video= line about HDMI-2 to your kernel commandline if you like.
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1640 [12:25:25] <okamis> I just plugged the projcetor to hdmi-1
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1643 [12:25:40] <klys> it would jsut diplicate the one about HDMI-1 so you have two video= parameters
1644 [12:25:49] <klys> okamis, same problem?
1645 [12:25:53] <okamis> hdmi-1 > replaced-url
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1647 [12:26:01] <okamis> same problem, got the split
1648 [12:26:10] <okamis> though is what we installed correct?
1649 [12:26:13] <icmp8> does anybody know by chance how much minimum ram is needed for a 9.1 install?
1650 [12:26:19] <cluelessperson> I accidentally deleted this iptables rule, how do I add it back? ufw-before-logging-input all -- anywhere anywhere
1651 [12:26:19] <klys> okamis, man xrandr
1652 [12:26:24] <cluelessperson> it was on chain INPUT as rule 1
1653 [12:26:33] <klys> okamis, you should find ways to select the resolution
1654 [12:26:38] <cluelessperson> iptables -I -D INPUT 1 <rule_specification>
1655 [12:26:39] <okamis> alright
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1662 [12:28:25] <klys> okamis, replaced-url
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1704 [12:52:15] <okamis> klys, how do I apply the modedb knowledge? I tried iterate some resolutions, it makes the problem less clear but its still existing.
1705 [12:52:25] <okamis> Im trying to change the refresh rate
1706 [12:53:07] <klys> okamis, 60 Hz is a low refresh rate, not advisabe to go lower
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1712 [13:01:37] <okamis> alright, Im still confused regarding the actions we took. The debian guide recommends uninstalling xserv-xorg-intel, you had me install it
1713 [13:01:42] <okamis> klys,
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1716 [13:02:01] <okamis> and how do one verify that its the driver in use?
1717 [13:02:21] <klys> okamis, yes, you should be able to tell what driver was used from $ less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1730 [13:07:22] <xmorph> Hi
1731 [13:07:25] <xmorph> I turned my computer from hibernate and then no screen displayed so i click one time on the power button and some message show for long time:"This session is locked. YOULL Be redirected to the unlock.." and i cant switch to tty. Plz help
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1735 [13:08:22] <gpunk> xmorph: ctrl-alt-fx ?
1736 [13:08:38] <xmorph> Which one? Its not doing any thing
1737 [13:08:48] <gpunk> one to 6
1738 [13:09:00] <xmorph> Its not doing anything
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1740 [13:09:07] <xmorph> All tty
1741 [13:09:34] <gpunk> what kind of video card you have ?
1742 [13:09:54] <xmorph> Does it matter? I dont remember i installed one
1743 [13:10:18] <xmorph> So i have laptop with gpu Nvidia gtx 860m 2gb
1744 [13:10:21] <gpunk> yes it does, many cases you need to install the propriatary driver
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1749 [13:11:04] <xmorph> Ops it logged me out
1750 [13:11:06] <xmorph> Sorry
1751 [13:12:09] <xmorph> Can you repeat what you said?
1752 [13:12:32] <gpunk> yes it does, many cases you need to install the propriatary driver
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1754 [13:13:00] <xmorph> I have laptop with cpu that it come with intel gpu and also nvidia GPU gtx 860m 2gb
1755 [13:13:34] <xmorph> Maybe its problem on light-locker or light-dm?
1756 [13:14:01] <gpunk> no it must be the driver, what laptop model is it ?
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1758 [13:14:10] <xmorph> Y50-70 lenovo
1759 [13:14:39] <xmorph> On Windows i had problems installing the latest nvidia drivers :/
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1764 [13:16:22] <gpunk> i see,
1765 [13:17:40] <lavenders> my network lan goes up and down periodically, but i cannot make sense of the journalctl
1766 [13:17:52] <lavenders> could y have a look at it? replaced-url
1767 [13:17:58] <xmorph> What to do??
1768 [13:19:06] <okamis> klys, I skimmed through the Xorg log but Im not sure what Im looking after, searching for intel didnt really reveal any graphic drivers
1769 [13:19:22] <klys> okamis, what driver did it use?
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1773 [13:20:31] <at0m> okamis: grep driver /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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1776 [13:22:26] <gpunk> xmorph: this can help you replaced-url
1777 [13:23:56] <xmorph> What yo do with that? There is no guide there
1778 [13:24:07] <xmorph> And how is it related to gpu?
1779 [13:24:23] <xmorph> Because when i dont use light-lockef i dont get this message
1780 [13:24:40] <gpunk> and the tty's work ?
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1782 [13:24:46] <xmorph> No its not
1783 [13:24:51] <xmorph> But numlock works
1784 [13:25:00] <gpunk> then your problem is the gpu ...
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1786 [13:25:36] <xmorph> So how to fix it? There is nothing written in the link on installing
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1792 [13:28:00] <lavenders> is this normal: 2 enp0s31f6 ether n/a unmanaged output form networkctl
1793 [13:29:10] <klys> lavenders, is that a usb or pci-x ethernet adapter?
1794 [13:29:28] <xmorph> gpunk: help plz
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1796 [13:29:37] <gpunk> i am thinking
1797 [13:29:39] <lavenders> my ether goes up and down freq on 1m intervalls, pastebin replaced-url
1798 [13:30:06] <klys> lavenders, what's on the other side of the cable?
1799 [13:30:10] <lavenders> the cable signal is fine, tested it on notebook too
1800 [13:30:15] <xmorph> Np sorry..
1801 [13:30:21] <lavenders> router simple home network
1802 [13:30:25] <klys> k
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1804 [13:31:01] <xmorph> Ok so i reproduced it
1805 [13:31:14] <lavenders> check this in the pastebin: device (enp0s31f6): state change: unavailable -> disconnected (reason 'carrier-changed') [20 30 40]
1806 [13:31:16] <lavenders> what is this?
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1808 [13:32:09] <gpunk> xmorph: can I see your /var/log/Xorg.log ?
1809 [13:32:15] <xmorph> Ok
1810 [13:32:23] <xmorph> Just a sec cause i need tk reboot
1811 [13:32:26] <xmorph> To*
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1813 [13:32:51] <julius___> hi
1814 [13:33:40] <julius___> after a long time i tried to reconnect to my openvpn server, but now it says locally: Cannot find device "tun0" how can that be when i can run "modprobe tun" without problems
1815 [13:34:05] <okamis> klys, replaced-url
1816 [13:34:23] <lavenders> klys, also ifconfig i try says cmd not found
1817 [13:34:59] <lavenders> oh ok ip a
1818 [13:35:47] <klys> lavenders, you have some good questions, have you searched much for answers specific to that driver?
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1821 [13:36:12] <xmorph_> hi
1822 [13:36:20] <xmorph_> gpunk: i have these
1823 [13:36:26] <gpunk> ok
1824 [13:36:28] <klys> okamis, looks like it's using the vesa driver. do we need an xorg.conf file to make it use intel?
1825 [13:36:30] <lavenders> isnt it kernel driver itself
1826 [13:36:53] <xmorph_> replaced-url
1827 [13:37:17] <gpunk> Xorg.0.log
1828 [13:37:27] <klys> lavenders, your driver is somewhere in dmesg and has something to do with asrock mini 110
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1832 [13:38:34] <towo`> debian is using the modesetting ddx by default
1833 [13:38:59] <towo`> if you want to use the intel-ddx, you have to create a xorg.conf snipped
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1836 [13:39:38] <okamis> klys, not sure but I will try to solve it. I have to leave for other matters. Thank you for the help, appreciate it
1837 [13:39:46] <lavenders> klys, interesting dmesg gets me to this [56394.250929] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlp2s0: link is not ready
1838 [13:39:48] <lavenders> [56448.246153] e1000e: enp0s31f6 NIC Link is Down
1839 [13:39:48] <klys> k
1840 [13:39:50] <lavenders> [56450.845691] e1000e: enp0s31f6 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx
1841 [13:39:52] <lavenders> [56450.845708] e1000e 0000:00:1f.6 enp0s31f6: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO
1842 [13:40:01] <lavenders> it repeats over and over
1843 [13:40:20] <gpunk> lavenders: might be a bad cable
1844 [13:40:50] <klys> lavenders, sometimes with loadable modules especially there can be an option to reduce the speed and/or specify the duplex.
1845 [13:40:58] <xmorph_> gpunk: is it contain something sensitive/personal?
1846 [13:41:08] <gpunk> no, dont worry
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1856 [13:44:48] <greenJim> hi everybody
1857 [13:45:02] <greenJim> I booted my laptop today
1858 [13:45:20] <greenJim> but I cannot enter the passphrase to decrypt my disk
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1860 [13:45:34] <klys> :) i can't help
1861 [13:45:40] <greenJim> entering in GRUB command mode shows I got an US keyboard layout
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1863 [13:46:14] <greenJim> so, I wonder how to set back my real KB layout FR
1864 [13:46:28] <xmorph_> gpunk: replaced-url
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1874 [13:49:00] <gpunk> xmorph_: you need to install the proper drivers
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1876 [13:50:09] <greenJim> OK
1877 [13:50:11] <gpunk> xmorph: can you read french ?
1878 [13:50:26] <gpunk> otherwise i ll have to walk you thru it ...
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1881 [13:50:37] <xmorph> Brb
1882 [13:51:07] <xmorph_> why do you think i need to install the proper drivers?
1883 [13:51:24] <greenJim> kernel 4.12 boots in US, previous kernel 4.11 boots in FR
1884 [13:51:28] <gpunk> because you are loading a fallback driver
1885 [13:51:28] <greenJim> problem solved
1886 [13:51:38] <gpunk> i readed it in your xorg.log
1887 [13:52:39] <towo`> gpunk, no, there is loaded the exact right driver
1888 [13:52:50] <gpunk> vesa ? LoL
1889 [13:52:55] <towo`> it's modesetting and that's the default driver for intel
1890 [13:52:56] <lavenders> i switched to new cable, and removed wifi card, lets see
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1893 [13:53:19] <towo`> gpunk, modesetting != vesa
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1895 [13:53:29] <towo`> gpunk, read the log again
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1897 [13:54:00] <towo`> since x is autocinfiguring, it loads all usable drivers
1898 [13:54:49] <towo`> but tha last and used driver is modesetting, which is the default dribver for intel
1899 [13:54:57] <greenJim> somebody knows how to report this problem ?
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1901 [13:55:13] <xmorph_> gpunk: where does it said it?
1902 [13:55:37] <coruja> towo`, but he stated earlier having a nvidia gpu
1903 [13:55:48] <atralheaven> Hi, How can I log how many GBs port X have used in a month? thanks
1904 [13:55:50] <towo`> coruja, no, he has optimus
1905 [13:56:01] <coruja> ok
1906 [13:56:09] <xmorph_> help..
1907 [13:56:14] <gpunk> so he needs bumblbee ... etc
1908 [13:56:22] <towo`> needs?
1909 [13:57:03] <xmorph_> if there was problem with gpu then how could i see some message?
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1911 [13:57:13] <gpunk> xmorph_: you need to install drivers, you wanna do it or not ?
1912 [13:57:14] <xmorph_> or not having drivers
1913 [13:57:19] <coruja> greenJim, if you are sure that the error is not on your side, file a bug against the 4.12 kernel package
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1915 [13:57:36] <xmorph_> im asking how do you know i need to install drivers? because i could see some message
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1917 [13:57:48] <xmorph_> where does it saying so or you are just guessing?
1918 [13:58:30] <gpunk> your laptop needs bumblebee-nvidia primus !
1919 [13:58:39] <gpunk> that s a fact
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1921 [13:59:43] <gpunk> replaced-url
1922 [13:59:57] <JohnTitor> atralheaven: you cant unless you setup something like vnstat for grabbing all the data
1923 [14:00:21] <greenJim> coruja: it is very strange; I checked the apt history and the last daily changes nothing to kernels
1924 [14:00:24] <JohnTitor> atralheaven: so e.g vnstat while enabled will take statistics
1925 [14:00:51] <coruja> greenJim, but you must have got 4.12 from somewhere ;)
1926 [14:00:55] <xmorph_> gpunk: where does it say in the logs?
1927 [14:00:59] <greenJim> coruja: but I am not able to decrypt my disk if I boot using kernel 4.12
1928 [14:01:15] <greenJim> coruja: and it works if I use 4.11
1929 [14:01:24] <gpunk> it doesnt ....
1930 [14:02:01] <greenJim> coruja: 4.12 came with another upgrade and I already rebooted without problem since then
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1932 [14:02:09] <xmorph_> gpunk: so you are guessing?
1933 [14:02:14] <gpunk> i just know it
1934 [14:02:23] <greenJim> coruja: I am just getting this problem today
1935 [14:02:25] <xmorph_> i just dont want to do something that might break my system
1936 [14:02:26] <gpunk> xmorph_: one more time, and stop talking to you
1937 [14:02:35] <xmorph_> plz understand me
1938 [14:02:46] <coruja> greenJim, then you should have a closer look on your latest upgrades
1939 [14:02:46] <JohnTitor> ,kernels
1940 [14:02:47] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.13.0-rc7-686-pae (4.13~rc7-1~exp1); sid: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); buster: 4.12.0-1-686 (4.12.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.12.0-0.bpo.1-686-pae (4.12.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u3); wheezy-backports:
1941 [14:02:48] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
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1943 [14:02:56] <gpunk> i am not going to explain to a 1000 lines log
1944 [14:02:56] <xmorph_> gpunk: how to install it?
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1946 [14:03:14] <gpunk> sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
1947 [14:03:27] <gpunk> it is in the linka sent you
1948 [14:03:41] <coruja> greenJim, maybe something related to locales or keyboard settings - btw stable comes with 4.9, what are you using then?
1949 [14:03:54] <JohnTitor> gpunk: or you can point them to the fine wiki replaced-url
1950 [14:04:05] <gpunk> i did :)
1951 [14:04:08] <greenJim> coruja: I am in buster
1952 [14:04:11] <xmorph_> what after that?
1953 [14:04:24] <gpunk> after that , reboot
1954 [14:04:28] <xmorph_> and then?
1955 [14:04:42] <gpunk> fixed
1956 [14:04:48] <xmorph_> can anyone confirm it?
1957 [14:04:55] <JohnTitor> confirm what?
1958 [14:05:00] <xmorph_> what he said will work
1959 [14:05:11] <JohnTitor> did you read the wiki?
1960 [14:05:16] <xmorph_> i dont understand where in the logs he think it's gpu problem
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1962 [14:05:22] <gpunk> xmorph_: dont talk to me anymore
1963 [14:05:28] <coruja> greenJim, as i said check your latest upgrades then (and btw2, support for buster/unstable usually goes to oftc's #debian-next)
1964 [14:05:40] <greenJim> OK
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1966 [14:05:50] <JohnTitor> dpkg: give greenJim debian-next
1967 [14:05:50] * dpkg gives greenJim debian-next
1968 [14:05:53] <JohnTitor> :S
1969 [14:05:54] <greenJim> I change to #debian-next channel
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1972 [14:06:11] <greenJim> thank you anyway
1973 [14:06:12] <xmorph_> .________.
1974 [14:06:22] <xmorph_> gpunk: what is your PROBLEM to tell me where do you see it in the log?
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1978 [14:06:45] <xmorph_> if it's graphics problem how could i see some text displayed?
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1983 [14:08:35] <xmorph_> how do i check if the installation works and also the graphics card work?
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1985 [14:09:48] <xmorph_> " using the PRIME functionality of the open-source nouveau driver, which allows GPU switching and powersaving but offers poor performance compared to the proprietary NVIDIA driver and may cause issues with sleep and hibernate" replaced-url
1986 [14:10:01] <xmorph_> "cause issues with sleep and hibernate"
1987 [14:10:03] <AndChat182964> What's so special in any wrapper
1988 [14:10:08] <AndChat182964> Why it's called wrapper
1989 [14:10:15] <AndChat182964> How they are different from other programs
1990 [14:10:25] <AndChat182964> Where can I get the list of all wrappers
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1992 [14:10:56] <xmorph_> !wrapper
1993 [14:11:02] <AndChat182964> Which wrappers do you use or know about; which are more popular and frequently used
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1995 [14:11:31] <JohnTitor> huh?
1996 [14:11:38] <xmorph_> ignore him
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2001 [14:13:09] <AndChat182964> Ok
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2003 [14:13:23] <xmorph_> AndChat182964: where do you see wrapper?
2004 [14:13:39] <xmorph_> give context..
2005 [14:13:49] <AndChat182964> I came across rlwrap
2006 [14:13:52] <JohnTitor> xmorph_: so you tell me to ignore him, but you dont?
2007 [14:14:10] <AndChat182964> He told me to ignore
2008 [14:14:20] <AndChat182964> You!!!!!
2009 [14:14:24] <xmorph_> relax
2010 [14:14:25] <JohnTitor> pfff
2011 [14:14:47] <JohnTitor> xmorph_: go fix your shit then start helping others
2012 [14:15:00] <xmorph_> cant
2013 [14:15:00] <AndChat182964> What's his problem
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2017 [14:16:56] <xmorph_> im going to dare and install that software
2018 [14:17:00] <xmorph_> it might break my system..
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2024 [14:18:50] <xmorph_> gpunk: what is the next line?
2025 [14:18:53] <xmorph_> sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386
2026 [14:18:56] <xmorph_> is it x64?
2027 [14:18:58] <xmorph_> it's better?
2028 [14:19:13] <xmorph_> i have x64
2029 [14:19:30] <gpunk> no, leave as is
2030 [14:19:35] <xmorph_> ok
2031 [14:19:39] <xmorph_> wish me luck
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2033 [14:19:55] <AndChat182964> Don't worry
2034 [14:19:55] <xmorph_> E: Package 'bumblebee-nvidia' has no installation candidate
2035 [14:20:01] <xmorph_> :D
2036 [14:20:01] <AndChat182964> Everything is fixable
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2041 [14:22:31] <gpunk> xmorph_: did you fix your /etc/apt/source.list ?
2042 [14:22:40] <xmorph_> no
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2048 [14:24:07] <xmorph_> gpunk: what to do there?
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2053 [14:24:34] <gpunk> are you running debian ? which version ?
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2055 [14:25:12] <xmorph_> yes
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2057 [14:26:08] <xmorph_> debian 9.1
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2059 [14:26:56] <gpunk> can you show me your /etc/apt/source.list ?
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2061 [14:27:16] <xmorph_> yes
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2064 [14:27:37] <xmorph_> replaced-url
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2070 [14:30:18] <gpunk> xmorph_: add " non-free contrib" at then end of each line , then do "apt update"
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2073 [14:32:39] <xmorph_> gpunk: where do you see it's gpu problem?
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2075 [14:33:04] <gpunk> aha you still playing boy
2076 [14:33:17] <gpunk> screw you and your problem then
2077 [14:33:25] <xmorph_> you want to break my debian fuck you
2078 [14:33:43] <xmorph_> so hard to say where do you see the PROBLEM?
2079 [14:33:47] <abrotman> uh ...
2080 [14:33:50] <AndreasLutro> well that escalated quickly
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2085 [14:34:29] <gpunk> i already answered idiot
2086 [14:34:39] <abrotman> gpunk: please stop with the name calling
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2088 [14:35:01] <xmorph_> gpunk: you said you don't want to say because it's 1000 long lines
2089 [14:35:11] <xmorph_> [15:02] <gpunk> i am not going to explain to a 1000 lines log
2090 [14:35:12] <gpunk> good by nice person
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2098 [14:37:10] <xmorph_> gpunk: why do you think it's the problem?
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2100 [14:38:27] <towo`> xmorph_, what is your exact problem?
2101 [14:38:37] <towo`> i joined too late
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2104 [14:39:05] <xmorph_> in short: when i wake my computer from hibernate there is no display and when i click power button i see message that tell me to wait
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2111 [14:41:18] <towo`> xmorph_, can be gpu related (optimus crap)
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2113 [14:41:35] <towo`> the best would be to disable the nvidia gpu complete
2114 [14:41:36] <xmorph_> im asking how is it gpu related if i can see some message
2115 [14:41:53] <towo`> xmorph_, there is no message in the xlog for that problem
2116 [14:42:09] <towo`> it's a problem in general for that crap optimus tech
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2118 [14:42:48] <towo`> xmorph_, you have two gpus, which are both handled by acpi for powermanagement
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2120 [14:43:05] <xmorph_> but how do i know it's gpu problem..
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2124 [14:43:49] <towo`> xmorph_, because it's well known, that nvidia dgpus have such problems
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2126 [14:44:00] <xmorph_> but i dont have nvidia ?
2127 [14:44:02] <towo`> especialy in optimus setups
2128 [14:44:32] <towo`> xmorph_, sure you have
2129 [14:44:34] <xmorph_> im saying i dont have nvidia software/driver..
2130 [14:44:40] <towo`> xmorph_, you have intel and nvidia
2131 [14:44:51] <xmorph_> and if i disable light-locker this problem disappear
2132 [14:45:00] <towo`> xmorph_, you have nvidia software for sure!
2133 [14:45:01] <xmorph_> so how is it gpu problem :/
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2135 [14:45:24] <icmp8> since 1,5 hours
2136 [14:45:27] <towo`> xmorph_, you have the nouveau kernel module and nouveau-ddx installed
2137 [14:45:51] <xmorph_> $ ls /proc/driver/* /proc/driver/rtc
2138 [14:45:55] <towo`> and i would oracle, the nouveau kernel-module is the real problem for that syspend issue
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2140 [14:46:22] <xmorph_> im iterating on google results about graphics information and i dont see nvidia in the output on any commands i did till
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2146 [14:48:28] <xmorph_> so
2147 [14:48:45] <xmorph_> doing that [15:30] <gpunk> xmorph_: add " non-free contrib" at then end of each line , then do "apt update" can cause any problem or break debian?
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2150 [14:49:35] <xmorph_> oh
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2153 [14:50:08] <xmorph_> on lscpi-v i see my graphics card doesit mean i have it installed?
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2159 [14:51:15] <xmorph_> it's displaying information
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2162 [14:51:27] <xmorph_> lspci is displaying information.
2163 [14:52:34] <xmorph_> so on glxinfo i dont see nvidia.. so it mean it does not run on X
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2167 [14:54:57] <vlt> iCherry:
2168 [14:55:03] <vlt> sorry
2169 [14:55:08] <iCherry> yes?
2170 [14:55:20] <vlt> wrong tab completion
2171 [14:55:25] <iCherry> ah ok
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2188 [15:03:47] <xmorph_> adding non-free contrib to each line in resources will break debian?
2189 [15:03:49] <RoyK> xmorph_: if lspci sees the card, doesn't mean you have drivers for it
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2191 [15:03:55] <RoyK> no, it won't
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2193 [15:03:59] <abrotman> xmorph_: try it and see, seriously
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2195 [15:04:14] <xmorph_> "try it and see" see it wil break your system
2196 [15:04:18] <xmorph_> abrotman: laugh at me
2197 [15:04:19] <xmorph_> :<
2198 [15:04:22] <abrotman> have you tried Windows?
2199 [15:04:25] <xmorph_> yes
2200 [15:04:26] <RoyK> xmorph_: I use contrib in a *lot* of systems
2201 [15:04:33] <xmorph_> abrotman: what about windows?
2202 [15:04:40] <RoyK> what might break things are bad packages, not a repo
2203 [15:04:50] <xmorph_> i see
2204 [15:04:55] <xmorph_> i just noob and dont know much
2205 [15:05:04] <RoyK> just trying to help :)
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2207 [15:05:38] <xmorph_> np
2208 [15:05:40] <coruja> using anything from outside debian sources may break your system
2209 [15:05:42] <xmorph_> idk what abrotman mean
2210 [15:05:52] <xmorph_> i used windows
2211 [15:06:16] <xmorph_> and it installed latest nvidia software which cause BSOD and more problems. also i opened some folder and it opened twice and couldn't fix it
2212 [15:06:28] <xmorph_> also because forcing updates and it reboot
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2216 [15:10:07] <RoyK> xmorph_: and btw, don't use packages from sid etc. that will quite possibly break a few things
2217 [15:10:28] <xmorph_> sid?
2218 [15:10:32] <RoyK> xmorph_: if you need newer packages, look in backports
2219 [15:10:35] <RoyK> !sid
2220 [15:10:35] <dpkg> it has been said that sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
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2223 [15:11:27] <xmorph_> i dont use it?
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2225 [15:11:48] <xmorph_> am i use it?
2226 [15:11:50] <RoyK> xmorph_: I was just telling you, since you're new at this
2227 [15:11:54] <xmorph_> oh ok
2228 [15:11:54] <xmorph_> thanks
2229 [15:11:56] <RoyK> you probably aren't
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2232 [15:13:14] <RoyK> but some people tend to need or want this or that particular fresh version of a package, and adds the sid repo. done it myself (15+ years back?) and it may work, somehow, but it usually messes up things rather badly
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2236 [15:17:24] <xmorph_> gpunk: do i need to add to each line non-free contrib?
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2238 [15:17:38] <gpunk> yes
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2240 [15:17:56] <gpunk> dont forget the first space
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2296 [15:45:10] <komas> Hi
2297 [15:45:17] <komas> gpunk:
2298 [15:45:24] <gpunk> hi
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2300 [15:45:28] <komas> Its still not aork
2301 [15:45:40] <gpunk> what did you do ?
2302 [15:45:41] <komas> I installed what you said
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2304 [15:46:19] <komas> I installed the nvidia..
2305 [15:46:55] <gpunk> apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus you did this ?
2306 [15:46:59] <komas> Yes
2307 [15:47:09] <gpunk> no errors during the install ?
2308 [15:47:12] <komas> No
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2310 [15:47:29] <gpunk> can I see you /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
2311 [15:47:42] <komas> I have to reboot again :/
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2313 [15:47:47] <gpunk> why ?
2314 [15:48:03] <komas> Because i went to hibernate
2315 [15:48:21] <komas> And then resume but it didnt work
2316 [15:48:21] <gpunk> and you cant log back on ?
2317 [15:48:32] <komas> No
2318 [15:48:45] <gpunk> ok be my guest
2319 [15:48:53] <komas> What?
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2322 [15:50:04] <gpunk> reboot then ...
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2326 [15:51:03] <komas_> hi
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2328 [15:51:16] <komas_> gpunk: replaced-url
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2334 [15:53:49] <gpunk> can we see you dmesg ?
2335 [15:53:53] <gpunk> your*
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2339 [15:57:24] <komas_> how
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2342 [15:58:26] <komas_> gpunk: how much lines?
2343 [15:58:38] <gpunk> all of it :)
2344 [15:59:01] <komas_> it's 831 lines
2345 [15:59:10] <gpunk> yes...
2346 [15:59:36] <komas_> is there anything sensitive or personal in there?
2347 [15:59:49] <gpunk> nope
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2349 [15:59:55] <Dreddo> hello all
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2352 [16:00:34] <Dreddo> it's normal that XnView isn't included in debian ?
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2354 [16:00:52] <Dreddo> I mean the famous images viewer
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2356 [16:01:07] <komas_> gpunk: replaced-url
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2358 [16:01:22] <abrotman> Dreddo: there are many others .. what's special about that one?
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2360 [16:01:51] <Dreddo> abrotman, why isn't included in repository ?
2361 [16:02:21] <themill> By XnView do you mean v?
2362 [16:02:22] <abrotman> Dreddo: what's the license?
2363 [16:02:24] <themill> xv?
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2365 [16:02:39] <themill> (xv is non-free and the 1990s want it back)
2366 [16:02:45] <Dreddo> ahaa ok, excuse me, now >I read license , it's not gnu
2367 [16:02:54] <Dreddo> excuse me for the stupid question
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2371 [16:04:03] <Dreddo> 'cause I know XnView very well , I used it in past under win
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2377 [16:05:25] <abrotman> Dreddo: they have packages for Debian, have you tried them?
2378 [16:05:28] <gpunk> komas_: there are many ACPI errors ...
2379 [16:05:41] <komas_> and?
2380 [16:05:41] <abrotman> well, .deb packages .. maybe not for Debian
2381 [16:06:09] <gpunk> komas_: i dont know, is your bios up to date ?
2382 [16:06:15] <komas_> yes
2383 [16:06:31] <venus-> anyone knows about InspIRCd-2.0 on debian ?
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2386 [16:06:52] <komas_> gpunk: how is bios related here?
2387 [16:07:09] <gpunk> i am not sure, i am looking ...
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2390 [16:08:03] <gpunk> can you run this: optirun glxgears -info
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2394 [16:09:05] <komas_> [ 1240.887139] [ERROR]You've no permission to communicate with the Bumblebee daemon. Try adding yourself to the 'bumblebee' group [ 1240.887156] [ERROR]Could not connect to bumblebee daemon - is it running?
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2397 [16:11:55] <komas_> hmm
2398 [16:12:01] <komas_> b$ cat /proc/acpi/bbswitch 0000:01:00.0 OFF
2399 [16:12:12] <komas_> brb
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2405 [16:13:27] <komas> Help gpunk ?
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2416 [16:15:13] <gpunk> service bumblebeed restart
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2418 [16:15:27] <komas> On my bios its switchable graphics
2419 [16:15:31] <komas> gpunk:
2420 [16:15:33] <gpunk> and add your self to bumblebee group
2421 [16:15:50] <gpunk> in the bios, put it as hybrid
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2425 [16:16:32] <komas> I only have swithable and UMA
2426 [16:16:41] <komas> Which one then?
2427 [16:17:08] <gpunk> try switchable first then ...
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2429 [16:17:17] <komas> Its selected already
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2431 [16:17:45] <gpunk> then put on UMA , and see if the commend runs
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2433 [16:18:07] <komas> Which comamnd?
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2435 [16:18:18] <gpunk> optirun...
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2438 [16:18:34] <komas> Do you know what is UMA?
2439 [16:18:46] <gpunk> no
2440 [16:18:53] <komas> The fuck
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2444 [16:19:27] <RoyK> what is UMA?
2445 [16:19:34] <gpunk> i dont care
2446 [16:19:37] <komas_> google it
2447 [16:19:39] <komas_> he is trolling me
2448 [16:19:42] <komas_> plz op ban him
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2450 [16:20:38] <tomocha_________> Unidentified Mysterious Animal :)
2451 [16:20:49] <komas_> op??
2452 [16:21:16] <gpunk> lmao
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2459 [16:23:23] <komas_> gpunk: do you know what is the problem?
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2461 [16:23:51] <gpunk> i think the nvidia part is not activated
2462 [16:24:01] <gpunk> so you are not on hybrid
2463 [16:24:11] <gpunk> so if uma means hybrid
2464 [16:24:14] <gpunk> try it !
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2467 [16:24:30] <komas_> uma means only intel graphics will work
2468 [16:24:49] <gpunk> if you know why you ask me ?
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2474 [16:25:28] <komas_> gpunk: because you just offer stupid things and don't know how to solve it
2475 [16:25:31] <komas_> fuck you!
2476 [16:25:46] <komas_> you told me to install stupid things
2477 [16:25:50] <gpunk> because you are stupid, sorry
2478 [16:25:58] <komas_> you are stupid
2479 [16:26:04] <gpunk> i am ignoring you, bye
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2481 [16:26:10] <komas_> bye fuck ass
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2489 [16:26:49] <tomocha_________> thanks...
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2510 [16:36:09] <gics> i have a problem with php-cli, dpkg -s tell me is installed, but whereis php-cli says "php-cli:" with no executable path
2511 [16:36:23] <gics> i'm on a stable release
2512 [16:36:34] <abrotman> gics: dpkg -L php-cli | grep bin
2513 [16:36:53] <gics> abrotman, nothing
2514 [16:37:33] <abrotman> gics: sorry, dpkg -L php7.0-cli | grep bin
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2516 [16:38:46] <gics> abrotman, replaced-url
2517 [16:39:03] <gics> phar?? what is?
2518 [16:39:10] <abrotman> so that's your binary
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2520 [16:39:48] <gics> abrotman, phar is my binary?
2521 [16:40:04] <abrotman> /usr/bin/php7.0
2522 [16:40:13] <abrotman> there's probably a symlink also
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2525 [16:41:36] <gics> abrotman, you are right! php7.0 is my executable
2526 [16:41:46] <gics> now i check the ln thing
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2531 [16:44:14] <gics> abrotman, you are right on symlink too. But i don't understand why it doesn't point to /usr/bin/php7.0 but to /etc/alternatives/php
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2533 [16:45:17] <gics> abrotman, maybe because my vps provider installed it in this way i don't know. The good thing is i finally found what i was looking for :)
2534 [16:45:26] <gics> abrotman, thank you for your help!
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2554 [16:54:18] <JordiGH> What's the right way to get npm on stretch? I see there's a package for it on sid, although I think it's outdated.
2555 [16:55:03] <JordiGH> Ah: replaced-url
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2564 [16:58:46] <abrotman> gics: that's how it's supposed to work
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2584 [17:09:39] <komas> Hello oooooooo
2585 [17:09:45] <komas> Hows everyone doing?
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2597 [17:13:25] <gpunk> thank you, he came in PV i insulted me very much
2598 [17:13:32] <gpunk> he*
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2618 [17:24:32] <dmkeast> JohnTitor: I think all the nodejs stuff is unsupported in debian. If you doing anything serious with it you should probably go outside of the repos
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2621 [17:25:05] <dmkeast> ack, sorry not JohnTitor. JordiGH has gone...
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2623 [17:25:19] <JohnTitor> dmkeast: sorry?
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2625 [17:25:36] <JohnTitor> ah, np
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2627 [17:25:45] <dmkeast> sorry. tab comppletion + me being an idiot
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2630 [17:26:05] <JohnTitor> no problem
2631 [17:26:07] <JohnTitor> all the nodejs for you guys
2632 [17:26:12] <JohnTitor> :P
2633 [17:26:52] <JohnTitor> ah he left
2634 [17:26:53] <dmkeast> all the rage these days. i'm being told that it's the inevitable future that it'll be what i'm using at work
2635 [17:27:16] <JohnTitor> I know a couple of things about the future
2636 [17:27:28] <dmkeast> haha. so i've heard
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2638 [17:27:55] <JohnTitor> regarding nodejs I dont think using it from repos is the way to go
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2643 [17:28:38] <dmkeast> El Psy Congroo
2644 [17:29:15] <dmkeast> yep. part of what makes me not want to use it... it's like they're burning the foundations to the ground every 5 minutes
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2649 [17:31:00] <SuperTramp83> dmkeast: replaced-url
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2716 [18:26:14] <mrr0butt> trying to compile some cuda related stuff on stretch and its getting frustrating af
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2719 [18:27:33] <mrr0butt> nvcc partial ignores "-ccbin clang-3.8" option and theu build fails
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2724 [18:29:54] <mrr0butt> due to a lack of supported gcc version in debian
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2733 [18:34:39] <mrr0butt> trying to build this: replaced-url
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2772 [18:55:52] <mrr0butt> nonfree cuda 8 stretch package not stable at all
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2778 [18:58:19] <somiaj> if that requires a newer gcc than is in debian, you then have to backport gcc as well. Have you looked at the bug reports for the cuda package, maybe the bug you have found is known and there is a work around.
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2783 [18:59:43] <mrr0butt> no it requires the old gcc and i couldnt find older version in stretch backports of gcc or cuda
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2785 [19:01:30] <tsomi> Hi. Does anyone know how to enforce a yaboot install instead of GRUB2 on unstable/powerpc? Looks like someone made it the default on powermacs now, but it’s just broken. Thanks.
2786 [19:03:21] <somiaj> mrr0butt: how old?
2787 [19:03:38] <mrr0butt> gcc >= 4.9
2788 [19:04:02] <somiaj> and how is gcc 6 not >= 4.9?
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2792 [19:04:46] <mrr0butt> *<=
2793 [19:04:50] <mrr0butt> sry
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2795 [19:05:20] <n4dir> tsomi: are you speaking of the installer iso? as far i can tell there is no unstable installer iso.
2796 [19:05:37] <n4dir> there is a channel for ppc, i forgot the exact name (is pretty silent anyway)
2797 [19:05:59] <somiaj> mrr0butt: I would look at what the debian package does to compile it on gcc from stretch. I only see gcc 6 and 5. The older gcc packages from jessie might work, but I would try to debug what is wrong with the cuda package provided.
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2799 [19:06:40] <jhutchins> !ppc
2800 [19:06:40] <dpkg> PowerPC is a <RISC> architecture (replaced-url
2801 [19:06:53] <n4dir> that was easy, thanks jhutchins
2802 [19:07:42] <mrr0butt> its cuda pkg from stretch non-free
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2819 [19:15:14] <tsomi> n4dir: i’m using mini.iso (201708) in expert mode because that’s what the Debian PowerPC FAQ suggests. Reading the ppc list it looks like someone lobbied for GRUB2 by default on NewWorld powermacs, but it just looks broken (partman still does a yaboot partitionning). I’m looking for a way to get the old yaboot behaviour back (undocumented installer param?)
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2832 [19:19:16] <somiaj> tsomi: you should be able to just skip the grub part, does it not give other options? if not you'll have to manually install the boot laoder.
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2845 [19:24:05] <tsomi> somiaj: Base installation fails and stops at 1% because it looks for a /target/boot/grub/ partition that partman doesn’t create at all. If it were a simple shell script i’d just comment out this part in a few seconds, but d-i is a complicated beast...
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2848 [19:25:20] <somiaj> tsomi: maybe try to track down an older .iso, the jessie one might work, then upgrade from there.
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2850 [19:25:59] <somiaj> I'm unsure on the details for power-pc, but I thought grub wasn't insatlled until the end, so I'm surprised it is copying things to /boot/grub during the base system.
2851 [19:26:17] <somiaj> but I have always used grub, so I may have just not noticed it is considered part of the boot system.
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2858 [19:30:38] <tsomi> somiaj: Yes i’m surprised too. There’s an "install yaboot bootloader" part in the install menu that appears later, but the earlier base system step hardcodes some grub stuff it seems. I’ve never found a way to tell the installer "ignore this and just go on".
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2862 [19:33:06] <tsomi> I think I’ll just install OpenBSD then, their installer is just a very simple and short shell script i can hack around when something goes wrong. Debian just tries to be too clever and complicated sometimes. Thanks anyway, cheers.
2863 [19:33:38] <BenLue> hello together, how can i remove the path="*" entry in my default.xml. Was trying with $sed 's/path="*"//g' default.xml but the Wildcard isnt working :/ replaced-url
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2870 [19:37:03] <somiaj> BenLue: * has meaning to regex, so you need to escape it, \*
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2872 [19:37:32] <somiaj> that makes it a literal * instead of regex symobl.
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2875 [19:39:27] <BenLue> somiaj: yeah but now the path is still there like: vendor/cmsdk
2876 [19:39:52] <BenLue> <project vendor/cmsdk" name="cm_platform_sdk" remote="th" revision="n" />
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2878 [19:40:49] <somiaj> BenLue: oh I miss understood you. You want path="ndk" and various other things like that removed, so you want a wild card.
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2880 [19:41:52] <somiaj> BenLue: you need to be careful what wild card you use, as regex can sometimes be greedy. try something like \w+ (this should only pick up words, no spaces or other symbols)
2881 [19:42:17] <BenLue> like: <project path="external/unzip" name="android_external_unzip" /> in <project name="android_external_unzip" />
2882 [19:42:44] <somiaj> BenLue: oh you do have some non word character in there. What sort of non word characters do you have
2883 [19:43:01] <somiaj> BenLue: try this path="\S+" (that will pick up any non-white space
2884 [19:43:07] <somiaj> you don't have any spaces in that string do you?
2885 [19:43:13] <BenLue> replaced-url
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2887 [19:44:16] <somiaj> you could also just do path\S+ and that will pick up everytying up to the white space.
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2889 [19:45:00] <somiaj> If you had a space in there I forget if path=".+" would work, or be greedy and not get the first " after....my regex isn't the gratest
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2892 [19:45:32] <BenLue> sed 's/path="\S+"//g' default.xml
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2894 [19:45:47] <rue_mohr_> where is the new "xorg.conf" and whats it called?
2895 [19:45:58] <somiaj> rue_mohr_: by default there won't be one
2896 [19:46:06] <rue_mohr_> ok it cant find any screens
2897 [19:46:10] <somiaj> rue_mohr_: everything is autodetected, create one if you need it.
2898 [19:46:30] <somiaj> rue_mohr_: check the log file to see what it is trying to detect and why it failed. Also what video card and drivers are y ou trying to use?
2899 [19:46:30] <rue_mohr_> X wont come up, it cant find any screens
2900 [19:46:39] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: check your X logs
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2902 [19:47:25] <rue_mohr_> invalid /dev/fb[0]
2903 [19:47:35] <rue_mohr_> no such file or dir
2904 [19:48:19] <rue_mohr_> devices detected but dont match config file, no screens found
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2908 [19:50:05] <BenLue> somiaj: path="S+" will nothing change
2909 [19:50:21] <rue_mohr_> ah, it mentions /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
2910 [19:50:22] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: what is your video card?
2911 [19:50:26] <rue_mohr_> nvidia
2912 [19:50:36] * abrotman is so surprised
2913 [19:50:36] <BenLue> *path="\S+" will nothing change
2914 [19:50:42] <rue_mohr_> GF106
2915 [19:50:45] <abrotman> rue_mohr_: you may need to install the binary-only drivers?
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2917 [19:50:58] <rue_mohr_> nvidia-driver via debain
2918 [19:52:00] <rue_mohr_> so, either I need to delete a file somewhere thats wrong, or I need to run a program to make one?
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2961 [20:16:31] <Guest34247> when i try to do a regex on a file doesn't work.
2962 [20:16:34] <Guest34247> egrep '.*[MF][\d]{5}.*' test.txt
2963 [20:16:44] <Guest34247> on command line.
2964 [20:16:56] <Guest34247> anyone else experience on debian?
2965 [20:16:58] <Guest34247> OS.
2966 [20:17:11] <Guest34247> gives me empty result.
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2984 [20:25:20] <clemens3> why is the square brackets around the digit?
2985 [20:26:03] <clemens3> you want M or F, or MF?
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2993 [20:28:41] <format_c> Guest34247, depends on what you want to match
2994 [20:28:46] <somiaj> BenLue: add a -E to the sed command to use extened regex (didn't realize sed needed this)
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2997 [20:29:24] <somiaj> BenLue: sed -i -E 's/ path="\S+"//g' default.xml
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3008 [20:37:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I read about a module ipt_owner, here replaced-url
3009 [20:37:26] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I did this: modprobe ipt_owner
3010 [20:37:42] <RandomGuyOnIrc> iptables -A OUTPUT --uuid-owner 1007 -j DROP
3011 [20:37:56] <Guest34247> thanks.. :)
3012 [20:37:59] <Guest34247> got it working...
3013 [20:38:02] <Guest34247> adding -E
3014 [20:38:03] <RandomGuyOnIrc> and I get: iptables v1.4.21: unknown option "--uuid-owner"
3015 [20:38:27] <Guest34247> and changing \d to [0-9]
3016 [20:38:41] <RandomGuyOnIrc> does anyone know how to enable the --uuid-owner option for iptables?
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3018 [20:39:19] <doverZ> hello everyone, currently studying live-build to make a custom debian with some apps ready for the daily work needs. All ok here. But as im using debian there r no packages for the visual customization, my question is how could include those changes in the building process without a .deb ??
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3020 [20:40:04] <RandomGuyOnIrc> google found my error, I want "--uid-owner"
3021 [20:40:06] <RandomGuyOnIrc> silly me
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3031 [20:45:54] <Guest34247> this is what helped me: replaced-url
3032 [20:47:03] <Guest34247> guys have you tried out the latest Debian? it Rocks!!!!!
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3037 [20:48:14] <Guest34247> i just have issues with running local network.
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3039 [20:48:34] <Guest34247> i have to keep bringing down the interface so I can connect to my local VM.
3040 [20:48:59] <Guest34247> like WicD wants to try and reconnect.
3041 [20:49:22] <Guest34247> when not on a network.
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3066 [21:04:12] <joelwallis> Hi. For someone crazy enough looking to setup its own mail server, and is looking to Dovecot as the MDA solution. Which other software packages would you add to make a *good enough* mail server?
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3068 [21:04:51] <GNU\colossus> I run postfix and dovecot, with dspam (not available after wheezy) and opendkim in the mix as well.
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3071 [21:05:04] <GNU\colossus> dovecot does LOTS of stuff on its own, esp. in more recent releases.
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3073 [21:05:20] <GNU\colossus> for anti-spam, look into rspamd or spamassassin
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3075 [21:07:07] <joelwallis> GNU\colossus: what does opendkim do?
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3077 [21:08:16] <joelwallis> nevermind. I just found its website
3078 [21:08:20] <GNU\colossus> joelwallis, it implements DKIM :) you'll need that to make sure email receivers at big mail service providers get your mail delivered to their inboxes.
3079 [21:08:33] <GNU\colossus> s/receivers/recipients
3080 [21:08:35] <joelwallis> got it
3081 [21:09:07] <joelwallis> good to know! I'll add it to the list of tools I'll need to put on it
3082 [21:09:15] <GNU\colossus> have you looked at mailinabox and friends yet?
3083 [21:09:36] <joelwallis> nope. what's that?
3084 [21:09:43] <GNU\colossus> even if you decide not to use those solutions, they offer a good badeline for what you'll have to consider implementing
3085 [21:09:48] <GNU\colossus> replaced-url
3086 [21:10:07] <GNU\colossus> "Technically, Mail-in-a-Box turns a fresh cloud computer into a working mail server. But you don’t need to be a technology expert to set it up."
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3090 [21:10:56] <GNU\colossus> there are alternatives to it (check replaced-url
3091 [21:10:59] <JohnTitor> GNU\colossus: that scares me
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3093 [21:11:22] <joelwallis> wow! awesome project!
3094 [21:12:01] <joelwallis> seems that I can get up and running way quicker than setting up everything manually
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3100 [21:12:32] <GNU\colossus> yes, but consider that at least mailinabox wants your machine to be a _dedicated_ mail server
3101 [21:12:53] <JohnTitor> ireadmail is not that bad
3102 [21:12:59] <GNU\colossus> (it will probably mangle your base OS for that purpose. there might be comparative solutions that can get along with other server duties, and play nicer with the base OS.)
3103 [21:13:01] <JohnTitor> iredmail^
3104 [21:13:30] <joelwallis> that's actually what I want: a dedicated server for my mail needs
3105 [21:13:35] <GNU\colossus> if you can spin up a Virtual Machine dedicated to the mailserver purpose, this won't really affect you I guess
3106 [21:13:44] <joelwallis> a dedicated machine would make it easier to maintain, backup, protect, etc.
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3113 [21:15:56] <joelwallis> thank you very much GNU\colossus! :D
3114 [21:16:18] <JohnTitor> yo do have to know about smtp/imap and many other stuff for managing a mail server, even for being able to change what those scripts do by default
3115 [21:16:28] <GNU\colossus> you're welcome. I can only recommend to check out all the alternatives, however. and maybe test everything with a throwaway-domain first ;)
3116 [21:16:38] <GNU\colossus> before you're going to hand over you _real_ email to one of those solutions
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3219 [22:09:20] <TBZ1> what's up replaced-url
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3245 [22:21:15] <bigtymer37> hello
3246 [22:21:20] <bigtymer37> does anyone have experience with drbd
3247 [22:21:30] <bigtymer37> I am having issues getting my HA cluster to sync
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3254 [22:24:05] <anthony25> hi
3255 [22:24:05] <anthony25> I installed dropbear to be able to unlock my crypt-luks partition through ssh at initramfs
3256 [22:24:06] <anthony25> but it seems that dropbear is not started at boot, or is not listening on any of my interface
3257 [22:24:07] <anthony25> I get a "connection refused" error
3258 [22:24:24] <anthony25> if I boot into a rescue shell, and start dropbear, I can ssh without any error
3259 [22:25:03] <anthony25> I updated my initramfs, and used ip=dhcp (I can ping my host when it's asking for the luks passphrase)
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3267 [22:27:21] <anthony25> how could I get more debug about it?
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3279 [22:31:15] <frostschutz> anthony25, no keyboard/monitor attached to the system?
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3286 [22:32:24] <anthony25> no, but it's hosted by online.fr, so I can have a redirected console
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3288 [22:32:50] <anthony25> and I see no error related to dropbear
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3301 [22:37:18] <moozer> In the sources.list .d/* files, what is the difference between having e.g "main" and "non-free" on the same line and on two lines?
3302 [22:37:31] <moozer> Both seem to work fine
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3305 [22:40:25] <abrotman> moozer: nothing
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3309 [22:41:18] <moozer> I just saw a recommandation for having them on the same line - my preference is the mulitline solution due to my ansible setup
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3329 [22:52:55] <CornTortilla> howdy
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3331 [22:53:47] <CornTortilla> man, all the linux chats are dead right now
3332 [22:54:23] <moozer> It is saturday evening in Europe, people probably have an off-line also :-)
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3334 [22:54:40] <CornTortilla> that hurricane might have messed a few things up too
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3337 [22:55:15] <CornTortilla> was that THE nullbyte?
3338 [22:55:17] <annadane> !chat
3339 [22:55:17] <dpkg> This is not a chat channel, this is a Debian user support channel. Unless you have a Debian support question, please chat elsewhere, like #debian-offtopic, or #moocows on irc.oftc.net or ##chat on irc.freenode.net.
3340 [22:55:17] <CornTortilla> nice
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3342 [22:55:30] <CornTortilla> ^^^
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3344 [22:55:34] <CornTortilla> need some support
3345 [22:55:38] <annadane> oh. hi. :D
3346 [22:55:52] <CornTortilla> got gifted an HP Envy 1181nr, its got one broken ram slot
3347 [22:56:05] <CornTortilla> its listed spec is 8 gigs of ram PER hp
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3349 [22:56:22] <CornTortilla> if i slap kali on it, could i just slap a 16 gig stick in there and call it good?
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3351 [22:57:07] <CornTortilla> also, it needs a new hdd, could i just buy a 2tb external and rip the case off it, slap it in there, and call it a day?
3352 [22:57:07] <buu> Probably-maybe
3353 [22:57:08] <abrotman> CornTortilla: You'd ask the Kali channel, not us
3354 [22:57:22] <CornTortilla> well, debian...fair enough
3355 [22:57:27] <abrotman> no, not the same
3356 [22:57:45] <CornTortilla> mind taking a second to school me?
3357 [22:57:54] <CornTortilla> i know its not the same, but it is debian based, correct?
3358 [22:57:55] <abrotman> on what?
3359 [22:58:04] <abrotman> I don't even see how this is an OS question
3360 [22:58:08] <abrotman> !debian based
3361 [22:58:08] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3364 [22:58:39] <CornTortilla> fair enough buddy
3365 [22:58:42] <CornTortilla> have a wonderful evening
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3382 [23:04:47] <TBZ1> disregard my previous message
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3389 [23:08:09] <sIRwa2> is openjdk-8-jre backwards compatible with 7? anyone knows?
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3404 [23:16:30] <teraflops> I wish it is but without all the bugs and CVEs
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3468 [23:50:28] <anthony25> teraflops: you know that you could just write //join #ossec and it works too? :p
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