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• 88[08:26:34] <AndChat181649> any1 here?
• 89[08:27:31] <scyte> everyone here
• 90[08:28:34] <annadane> AndChat181649, it's a help channel. just ask.
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• 106[08:38:38] <gerforce> I have a problem with installing Mariadb-server.
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• 108[08:39:52] <gerforce> Here is the problem: gerf0rce@b0urne1:~$ sudo dpkg --configure mariadb-server
• 109[08:39:54] <gerforce> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of mariadb-server:
• 110[08:39:55] <dpkg> gerforce: that's not the complete error. Please pastebin the command you gave and the entire output. Ask me about <pastebin> <bat> <localised errors>.
• 111[08:39:56] <gerforce> mariadb-server depends on mariadb-server-10.1 (>= 10.1.26-0+deb9u1); however:
• 112[08:39:58] <gerforce> Package mariadb-server-10.1 is not configured yet.
• 113[08:40:00] <gerforce> dpkg: error processing package mariadb-server (--configure):
• 114[08:40:01] <dpkg> gerforce: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
• 115[08:40:02] <gerforce> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
• 116[08:40:04] <gerforce> Errors were encountered while processing:
• 117[08:40:06] <gerforce> mariadb-server
• 118[08:40:08] <gerforce> y
• 119[08:40:28] <gerforce> replaced-url
• 120[08:40:46] <gerforce> I paste to the wrong place. Sorry.
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• 139[08:56:56] <klys> gerforce, sudo dpkg --configure -a
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• 151[08:59:34] <kriech0r> morning, anyone knows why smartd -n is shown hourly in iotop? I've set it up for weekly short test and monthly long test?!
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• 157[09:01:56] <gerforce> klys:replaced-url
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• 159[09:02:54] <klys> gerforce, less /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.1.postinst
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• 171[09:07:58] <gerforce> klys:replaced-url
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• 176[09:09:14] <klys> gerforce, # /var/lib/dpkg/info/mariadb-server-10.1.postinst configure && echo ok
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• 181[09:10:49] <gerforce> klys: nothing appears.
• 182[09:11:08] <klys> yes it is exiting with an error
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• 187[09:15:40] <gerforce> so how can i fix it. I couln't find a solution on the Internet.
• 188[09:16:13] <klys> gerforce, #bash
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• 191[09:17:57] <nkuttler> gerforce: put set -x on the second line of the postinst script
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• 196[09:21:42] <gerforce> nkuttler: then ?
• 197[09:22:21] <nkuttler> gerforce: dpkg --configure -a
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• 200[09:24:54] <cluelessperson> how can you allow source port to any destination port with ufw ?
• 201[09:25:12] <gerforce> nkuttler: replaced-url
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• 203[09:26:07] <nkuttler> gerforce: the last command that runs is /usr/sbin/mysqld --bootstrap --user=mysql --disable-log-bin --skip-grant-tables --default-storage-engine=myisam, so that apparently fails
• 204[09:26:30] <nkuttler> gerforce: so, check the mariadb logs for an error, and increase the log level if necessary
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• 207[09:29:32] <gerforce> nkuttler: There is an ERROR in /var/log/mysql/error.log file which is '[ERROR] Can't init tc log'.
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• 215[09:31:22] <klys> gerforce, $ df /
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• 217[09:31:40] <dfcnvt> Anyone has access to Netflix?
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• 219[09:32:26] <deepy> Why do you wonder?
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• 223[09:33:18] <dfcnvt> deepy: If you do (in your own account) then I just need to know that I'm not alone on this. Just check quickly on any television series (say, star trek the next generation)
• 224[09:33:33] <dfcnvt> And just browse through esipode (going left/right)
• 225[09:33:47] <gerforce> klys: replaced-url
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• 227[09:34:03] <klys> gerforce, looks ok
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• 229[09:34:06] <dfcnvt> And see if you noticed a missing epsisode or just emptied in the row.
• 230[09:34:47] <klys> gerforce, is /var/log on the root filesystem/
• 231[09:34:55] <dfcnvt> Almost any TV series on Netflix has the same issues. I think it may be just me but I wanted to confirm on someone's end as well.
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• 233[09:36:16] <gerforce> klys: /var is mounted on a diffent partition from /.
• 234[09:36:35] <klys> gerforce, and space left there?
• 235[09:37:19] <klys> otherwise I would think it's trying to write to a directory which doesn't exist
• 236[09:38:09] <klys> I am surprised /var is on another partition. Perhaps you do not have room for that log after all.
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• 240[09:39:42] <gerforce> klys: yes
• 241[09:39:54] <klys> yes what?
• 242[09:40:19] <gerforce> klys: there have space left.
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• 244[09:40:29] <gerforce> klys: check this. replaced-url
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• 246[09:40:48] <klys> oh ok, try running your mysql command through strace and pipe the error to a file
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• 248[09:40:53] <gerforce> I searched the error message: Can't init tc log.
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• 251[09:41:42] <klys> gerforce, did you solve it the same way as they did?
• 252[09:42:13] <gerforce> klys: replaced-url
• 253[09:42:29] <gerforce> klys: now i can start mysql.service
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• 255[09:43:09] <klys> gerforce, will it configure?
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• 269[09:51:56] <gerforce> klys: i am running 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'. The cursor is just blinking there.
• 270[09:52:30] <klys> hit ctrl+c
• 271[09:52:49] <klys> at the prompt, shut down the database service
• 272[09:52:56] <klys> try again
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• 279[09:57:39] <gerforce> kyls: it finished. replaced-url
• 280[09:58:16] <gerforce> kyls: seems problem solved.
• 281[09:58:30] <klys> !!
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• 372[10:41:48] <tdn> I am preparing to upgrade from debian 8 to 9. And apt-forktracer gives me a list of packages that I figure I have to remove before upgrading. Some of these are: firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-realtek intel-microcode linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 They sound important. How do I check if they are safe to remove?
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• 374[10:42:39] <fireba11> tdn: how did oyu figure you need to remove packages prior to upgrading?
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• 376[10:43:23] <tdn> fireba11, replaced-url
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• 379[10:44:01] <tdn> fireba11, it seems some of these packages are left overs from debian 7
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• 382[10:45:37] <tdn> uname says I am on linux 3.16.0-4-amd64, so I guess the mentioned linux-image-3.2.0-4-amd64 should be safe to remove, right?
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• 384[10:48:25] <cruncher> tdn, yes, as you use a newer kernel its safe. As for the others, check which firmware you are using with dmesg | grep -i firmware, and you can check if the microcode is loaded also with dmesg | grep -i microcode
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• 391[10:49:33] <tdn> cruncher, replaced-url
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• 401[10:51:59] <tdn> cruncher, not sure what to make of that? It mentions both intel and realtek
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• 404[10:52:14] <cruncher> tdn, so you should leave firmware-realtek and the microcode installed
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• 406[10:52:30] <tdn> But I can remove firmware-linux-nonfree ?
• 407[10:52:30] <cruncher> tdn, what graphics are you using?
• 408[10:52:37] <tdn> cruncher, none. This is a server. No monitor.
• 409[10:52:51] <tdn> cruncher, also: only SSH access. Server is ~3000 km away
• 410[10:52:56] <fireba11> :-D
• 411[10:53:10] <tdn> cruncher, so I really do not want to risk having the NIC stop working.
• 412[10:53:11] <tdn> :)
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• 414[10:53:33] <cruncher> tdn, well, there is no mention of a firmware loaded from firmware-non-free, but it doesnt harm to let it installed at all
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• 416[10:54:03] <tdn> cruncher, even when debian docs says to remove this stuff?
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• 418[10:54:37] <cruncher> its basically only firmware, that doesnt harm
• 419[10:55:35] <fireba11> also i think those are from debian non-free, and the docs probably mean packages not from debian at all
• 420[10:55:57] <tdn> fireba11, ok
• 421[10:56:18] <cruncher> tdn, does the server have a recovery mode?
• 422[10:56:39] <babilen> tdn: Which "docs" are you referring to? (just to make sure we are on the same page)
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• 424[10:56:55] <tdn> cruncher, yeah but really cumbersome to use. Would really like to avoid going there...
• 425[10:56:58] <tdn> reprepro (5.1.1-1~bpo8+1) [Debian Backports: 5.1.1-1~bpo8+1] [Debian: 4.16.0-1]
• 426[10:57:10] <tdn> I have reprepro from backports. Would that cause problems? Or do I need to remove?
• 427[10:57:20] <tdn> babilen, replaced-url
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• 429[10:57:44] <babilen> Which part exactly?
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• 434[10:58:29] <tdn> babilen, first part of that exact section
• 435[10:58:38] <tdn> The upgrade process described in this chapter has been designed for upgrades from “pure” jessie systems without third-party packages. For the greatest reliability of the upgrade process, you may wish to remove third-party packages from your system before you begin upgrading.
• 436[10:58:47] <babilen> Generally speaking it is safer to remove backports, but I wouldn't expect problems in this case
• 437[10:58:53] <tdn> And then it goes on to suggest this way to identify poackages: $ apt-forktracer | sort
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• 440[10:59:20] <babilen> And apt-forktracer lists firmware packages?
• 441[10:59:26] <tdn> babilen, yes
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• 445[10:59:43] <babilen> Those are false positives in this case
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• 447[10:59:50] <tdn> babilen, it lists these: replaced-url
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• 449[11:00:18] <tdn> babilen, I am on debian 8, and some of these appear to be from debian 7. So maybe they are leftovers from last upgrade from 7 to 8?
• 450[11:00:24] <babilen> Microcode and firmware packages are definitive false positives for the intention of this section
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• 452[11:01:02] <babilen> I noticed that it helps to investigate the output of "aptitude search '~o'" with complete and current entries in your sources.list
• 453[11:01:10] <acagastya> I did a forget in a wired connection. Since then, it would not take any wired connection and establish a connection.
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• 456[11:01:22] <acagastya> How do I reset it?
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• 459[11:01:45] <tdn> babilen, aptitude search '~o' seems to produce the same list of packages
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• 462[11:01:57] <tdn> babilen, any idea what to do with the wheezy/deb 7 packages?
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• 465[11:02:22] <babilen> Did you remove contrib and non-free from your sources.list entries?
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• 467[11:03:21] <acagastya> babilen: are you asking me?
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• 469[11:04:08] <babilen> No, I am talking to tdn. Sorry for that
• 470[11:04:31] <tdn> babilen, I only have non-free in security updates
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• 475[11:05:08] <tdn> These two are my only sources in sources.list: "deb replaced-url
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• 478[11:05:15] <babilen> tdn: I'd add them in all other entries too. This is the reason why those programs overgenerate as the packages you have installed from non-free can no longer be found in any configured repo
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• 482[11:06:08] <tdn> babilen, ok. I really do not want to use non-free if I do not have to. And I do not think I have to.
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• 484[11:06:46] <tdn> babilen, but I did not do the original installation of this, as it is a remote hosted server. It is installed from an image of the hosting provider. So maybe they added the non-free in order to have some driver work? hence the firmware packages...
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• 488[11:07:17] <cruncher> tdn, i dont know what the realtek device is, but under circumstances you do need that one
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• 491[11:07:40] <tdn> cruncher, do I risk that it is no longer there in debian 9?
• 492[11:07:45] <tdn> cruncher, it is probably for network
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• 494[11:08:02] <cruncher> yeah, it is probably, what i meant is i dont know what your server uses it for, resp. connects to
• 495[11:08:10] <cruncher> it is in debian 9
• 496[11:08:16] <babilen> tdn: My advice is to add "non-free" to the entry that's missing it and to run "apt update" after you've done that. I also wouldn't remove the firmware nor the microcode packages.
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• 498[11:08:45] <tdn> babilen, ok
• 499[11:08:53] <babilen> (they shouldn't be listed as removal candidates once you have proper sources)
• 500[11:09:28] <tdn> babilen, I just did that and ran apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, and it says: The following packages will be upgraded: firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-realtek intel-microcode
• 501[11:09:38] <tdn> Should I proceed and do that before upgrading to debian 9?
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• 503[11:09:44] <babilen> Yes
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• 505[11:09:52] <tdn> And reboot before upgrade?
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• 507[11:10:08] <tdn> I do not know if I need to reboot in order for this firmware stuff to be in effect
• 508[11:10:34] <slax0r> no, you can just upgrade without reboot
• 509[11:10:40] <babilen> You always want to upgrade from a completely up-to-date system. I don't really expect a reboot to be necessary, but I'd remove the remaining packages that are listed in "aptitude search '~o'" and purge those in "aptitude search '~c'"
• 510[11:10:43] <slax0r> isn't there an "official guide" to upgrading?
• 511[11:10:53] <babilen> tdn is following that
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• 513[11:11:56] <babilen> Feel free to show us the output of both commands before purging those packages with "aptitude purge '~o'" and "aptitude purge '~c'" respectively
• 514[11:12:02] <tdn> babilen, aptitude search '~o' is empty now. aptitude search '~c' is quite a long list
• 515[11:12:45] <tdn> babilen, here is ~c: replaced-url
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• 517[11:12:58] <babilen> The latter are packages that were installed once, but have subsequently been removed. They do, however, still have configuration files on the box. It's up to you to decide if you want to keep that configuration, but keep in mind that it is not being kept up-to-date
• 518[11:13:37] <tdn> babilen, hmm.. So you recommend I do a purge on all these?
• 519[11:13:45] <babilen> I'd personally nuke it, but I can't know which bits you might want to keep. Might not be an issue if you have (as you should) recent backups
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• 521[11:14:07] <tdn> babilen, I have backups of /etc so it should be in there
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• 524[11:14:26] <babilen> At best those configuration files just sit around untouched for years, at worst they cause issues ...
• 525[11:14:59] <tdn> babilen, howerver, some packages are my own. I just removed those during the upgrade in order to comply with removing all third party. I add them as soon as upgrade is done. So Id rather not purge the conf.
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• 531[11:17:13] <babilen> tdn: Yes, you wouldn't want to purge those
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• 533[11:17:44] <tdn> babilen, python2.6 is really safe to purge?
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• 538[11:18:58] <babilen> tdn: It isn't in jessie
• 539[11:19:22] <tdn> babilen, isnt safe or isnt included, thus safe to remove?
• 540[11:19:50] <babilen> It is safe to remove as it isn't included in jessie at all
• 541[11:19:54] <tdn> OK
• 542[11:19:57] <babilen> (jessie comes with Python 2.7)
• 543[11:20:00] <tdn> Same with poython3.2 I guess
• 544[11:20:03] <tdn> python3.2
• 545[11:20:08] <babilen> aye
• 546[11:20:54] <tdn> Great, so I guess I am ready to upgrade. Thanks a lot.
• 547[11:20:58] <babilen> After you've upgraded the box, you should take a look at "aptitude search '~o'" again and remove/purge those packages
• 548[11:21:05] <tdn> babilen, ok
• 549[11:21:24] <babilen> That way you won't have this problem during the next upgrade :)
• 550[11:21:30] <tdn> OK. Thanks
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• 556[11:24:33] <jelly> and python2.7 has a shelf life of... best used before 2020
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• 595[11:46:03] <tdn> grub-pc just failed to configure with this error: replaced-url
• 596[11:46:23] <tdn> GRUB failed to install to the following devices: /dev/dm-0 /dev/md0 Do you want to continue anyway? If you do, your computer may not start up properly. Writing GRUB to boot device failed - continue? Y/N
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• 598[11:46:37] <tdn> I have software raid1 via mdadm
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• 600[11:47:31] <tdn> THis is my storage layout: replaced-url
• 601[11:47:33] <tdn> (lsblk)
• 602[11:48:13] <roswell> tdn, choose /dev/sda for the target
• 603[11:48:18] <Lachezar> tdn: You can't install GRUB to a partition. Use /dev/sda
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• 606[11:49:30] <roswell> Lachezar, frankly grub can be installed into a partition, it just cannot be installed into a mdadm raid device
• 607[11:49:36] <tdn> roswell, Lachezar shouldnt I then use /dev/sda AND /dev/sdb?
• 608[11:50:02] <Lachezar> roswell: I have GRUB installed to an MD device which is /dev/sda+/dev/sdb (whole disks). Works properlu.
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• 610[11:50:11] <tdn> So this is the correct thing to do, right? replaced-url
• 611[11:50:29] <Lachezar> tdn: No, use the device that is booted from the BIOS.
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• 613[11:51:06] <roswell> tdn, you can install grub onto both, right
• 614[11:51:26] <tdn> Lachezar, how to check while remote? Is there anything wrong with installing on both?
• 615[11:51:34] <OtakuSenpai> ,libzip5
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• 617[11:51:40] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libzip5
• 618[11:51:41] <tdn> roswell, ok
• 619[11:51:41] <judd> No package named 'libzip5' was found in amd64.
• 620[11:51:48] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libzip
• 621[11:51:49] <judd> No package named 'libzip' was found in amd64.
• 622[11:52:17] <OtakuSenpai> ,v zip
• 623[11:52:18] <judd> Package: zip on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.0-6; jessie: 3.0-8; buster: 3.0-11+b1; sid: 3.0-11+b1; stretch: 3.0-11+b1
• 624[11:52:29] <OtakuSenpai> ,v libzip4
• 625[11:52:30] <judd> Package: libzip4 on amd64 -- buster: 1.1.2-1.1+b1; sid: 1.1.2-1.1+b1; stretch: 1.1.2-1.1+b1
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• 628[11:54:30] <tdn> roswell, worked :D
• 629[11:54:36] <roswell> Lachezar, i think it's root mountpoint on md you have there, not the grub's loader itself
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• 631[11:54:47] <Lachezar> roswell: Both
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• 634[11:55:34] <roswell> Lachezar, well then it must be some sophisticated motherboard where bios or efi knows to assemble an md array before booting
• 635[11:55:40] <Lachezar> roswell: /dev/md0 = RAID1 (/dev/sda + /dev/sdb)
• 636[11:55:58] <Lachezar> roswell: Nope, the BIOS has no idea it's RAID, boots /dev/sda, GRUB assembles array
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• 638[11:56:20] <roswell> Lachezar, ah so grub is still installed into mbr
• 639[11:56:26] <Lachezar> roswell: Yes
• 640[11:57:07] <roswell> Lachezar, a bit of misunderstanding ) i thought you somehow managed to install bootloader into md array
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• 642[11:58:23] <Lachezar> roswell: When installing boot loader to /dev/md0 (sda+sdb) it goes into both MBRs on both disks.
• 643[11:59:46] <roswell> Lachezar, i see, but this works only and when both devices are parts of an array, not their partitions
• 644[12:00:06] <Lachezar> roswell: yes, whole disks, not MD of partitions.
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• 646[12:00:24] <Lachezar> roswell: Then partition /dev/md0 and it's fine.
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• 649[12:01:01] <Lachezar> roswell: Bonus: if sda crashes you can boot off sdb
• 650[12:01:18] <roswell> Lachezar, quite useful, absolutely agree
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• 655[12:01:45] <Lachezar> roswell: And simpler from my point of view.
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• 657[12:03:42] <roswell> Lachezar, well, this approach has its drawbacks -- for an instance, if you need to have separate mountpoints for /home and /var, for an instance, which in turn requires another couple of drives
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• 684[12:14:58] <sh3llc0d3r> hi i've got a question here, i live in Sudan and i run a debian base distro (some say it's name is kali linux), my problem is whenever i try to run apt-get update i run into an issue of intercepted traffic after i download the packages and the hash is mismatched, this happens on any debian based distro no matter what and i believe it's from my ISP. i need another way other than updating over VPN because of bandwidth please. here is the apt-get
• 685[12:14:58] <sh3llc0d3r> update snippets replaced-url
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• 688[12:15:30] <sh3llc0d3r> i hope i can get advice on this issue or where i should ask if not
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• 695[12:19:33] <petn-randall> !kali
• 696[12:19:33] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 697[12:19:42] <petn-randall> sh3llc0d3r: You can ask in there channel. Info is above. ^^^
• 698[12:19:47] <petn-randall> *their
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• 703[12:21:38] <sh3llc0d3r> does it depend upon independent repos for each distro? because it happens if i apt-get'ed any debian based (ubuntu, mint, debian...etc)
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• 705[12:22:30] <Sir_Designer_> sh3llc0d3r are you suspecting your ISP is messing the hash or corrupting all downloads?
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• 707[12:22:56] <shtrb> Hi I'm getting some strange effect , when booting with a headsphone jack in the socket the audio will play correct in them, but If I plug the headset after DE login the audio is not playing (but pulseaudio see that the jack is plugged )
• 708[12:23:02] <sh3llc0d3r> yes indeed Sir_Designer_
• 709[12:23:20] <petn-randall> sh3llc0d3r: If you can reproduce it on Debian, we can debug it here. Everything else is off-topic for a number of technical and social reasons.
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• 711[12:23:22] <sh3llc0d3r> i was wondering why the repos are not updating over seure channel
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• 715[12:23:44] <shtrb> sh3llc0der , some ISP have their own cache for file sharing sites (debian including ) and some join the CDNs
• 716[12:24:05] <petn-randall> sh3llc0d3r: That is because every file is being cryptographically verified so HTTPS is not really needed.
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• 719[12:25:03] <sh3llc0d3r> right Sir_Designer_ , i can reproduce it by running 'apt-get update', does caching mess hashing? in the pastebin i shared there is the url that is messing the traffic
• 720[12:25:18] <AndreasLutro> unless you get your cryptographic signatures over insecure channels as well...
• 721[12:25:20] <shtrb> no . caching the files does not change that
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• 724[12:25:35] <tdn> So I am in the process of upgrading from debian 8 to debian 9. I followed the official instructions and made it through "apt-get upgrade" without problems, but then I ran "apt-get dist-upgrade" and it failed with these errors: replaced-url
• 725[12:25:46] <tdn> Is my system completely broken now?
• 726[12:26:05] <shtrb> no
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• 728[12:26:19] <shtrb> backup all what you can now
• 729[12:26:23] <tdn> How do I fix the problems and continue?
• 730[12:26:43] <tdn> shtrb, I already have a backup except from the /data partition which is on a separate partition.
• 731[12:26:49] <sh3llc0d3r> thanks folks
• 732[12:26:57] <tdn> (I do have a backup of that as well, however, it will take days to restore)
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• 736[12:28:00] <roswell> tdn, too little of context. do you have anything above these lines to paste?
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• 738[12:28:19] <tdn> roswell, I recorded the entire session with "script".
• 739[12:28:27] <tdn> roswell, but it is quite long. What do you need?
• 740[12:28:53] <roswell> tdn, everything after you ran apt-get dist-upgrade
• 741[12:28:54] <tdn> roswell, added more context from the scrollback: replaced-url
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• 743[12:29:12] <tdn> roswell, ok will try and find that.
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• 747[12:29:49] <petn-randall> !bat
• 748[12:29:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 749[12:29:59] <petn-randall> tdn: Those infos would be relevant. ^^^
• 750[12:30:02] <roswell> tbh i've also upgraded jessie to stretch on my notebook recently, didn't run smoothly either
• 751[12:30:39] <petn-randall> roswell: That's always something Debian would like to know about in form of upgrade reports.
• 752[12:30:49] <tdn> replaced-url
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• 755[12:31:24] <tdn> petn-randall, working on it.
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• 759[12:33:12] <roswell> petn-randall, my bad. i think i still have logs with somewhat related
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• 767[12:36:35] <roswell> tdn, with blkid , find new uuids of your swap partitions and update these accordingly in /etc/fstab
• 768[12:37:01] <roswell> whoops, prior to that, issue swapoff -a
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• 770[12:37:04] <tdn> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 773[12:39:12] <tdn> apt-policy of mentioned packages is here: replaced-url
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• 775[12:39:50] <tdn> Including apt-cache policy here: replaced-url
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• 782[12:41:13] <shtrb> tdn , do you can about musql vs mariadb ?
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• 784[12:41:31] <FinalX> mariadb is a drop-in replacement for mysql, the other way around is not necessarily true
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• 786[12:41:37] <tdn> roswell, not sure what you mean regarding swap? I do not use uuids for this in fstab, I have this line: /dev/vg0/swap swap swap defaults 0 0
• 787[12:41:52] <FinalX> shtrb: mariadb is what mysql should've been, from its original authors
• 788[12:41:53] <shtrb> FinalX , first we need to know if he even care about it
• 789[12:42:06] <FinalX> well, debian no longer has mysql, only mariadb..
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• 791[12:42:16] <tdn> shtrb, I do not particularly care if it is maria og mysql. I use mysql only for some small PHP sites like wordpress, etc. If they can use mariadb just as well then fine by me
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• 793[12:42:49] <FinalX> tdn: mariadb _is_ mysql, same clients work with same versions, version differences are the same if it would be mysql to mysql.
• 794[12:42:56] <FinalX> tdn: mariadb just comes with more features
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• 796[12:43:00] <FinalX> ..basically
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• 799[12:43:23] <shtrb> In that case , and if you didn't use any propierty drivers (99% you didn't bug I'm warning you just in case) or memcached you will be ok with
• 800[12:43:27] <FinalX> technically you can just reuse your existing /var/lib/mysql with mariadb
• 801[12:43:41] <FinalX> and vice-versa, if you're not using any new mariadb features
• 802[12:43:43] <shtrb> for memcahced you will just need to switch a driver (few lines to change)
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• 807[12:45:02] <tdn> In order to backup remote, would the following work? ssh fer.adora.dk "tar -cz /" > fer-root.tar.gz
• 808[12:45:23] <roswell> tdn, alrighty, just been making sure your device layout matches current layout. what is in mysql or mariadb logfiles?
• 809[12:45:24] <shtrb> but If you used the defaults it should be just a dropin working solution -> just do switch to mariadb
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• 814[12:46:54] <roswell> tdn, i mean smth related to the upgrading process, not all of their contents
• 815[12:47:04] <tdn> roswell, mysql error.log: replaced-url
• 816[12:47:31] <tdn> shtrb, I am fine with switcing to maria. Just unsure how
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• 819[12:48:32] <roswell> tdn, comment out that line containing log-slow-queries in /etc/mysql/wherever-it-is-in.cnf
• 820[12:48:55] <roswell> my.cnf i assume
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• 823[12:49:13] <will_> hello, need some help adding a package source
• 824[12:49:43] <roswell> will_, pls be more specific
• 825[12:49:47] <will_> I've been follwing instructions on google's site to set up the cloud sdk, but it appears they are outdatedor dont work
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• 827[12:50:11] <will_> from what i understand in what i was supposed to do; add package source to sources.list
• 828[12:50:22] <will_> then do something what a pgp key
• 829[12:50:27] <will_> apt-key add
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• 831[12:51:16] <will_> i did `sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list`
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• 833[12:51:29] <will_> and added the URI myself
• 834[12:51:43] <will_> then tried apt get install google-cloud-sdk
• 835[12:51:48] <will_> still didnt find it
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• 838[12:52:02] <roswell> do apt-get update before installing
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• 840[12:52:20] <tdn> roswell, replaced-url
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• 842[12:52:28] <tdn> roswell, it seems to be commented out?
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• 845[12:53:10] <will_> wow that fixed it
• 846[12:53:11] <will_> thank you
• 847[12:53:17] <roswell> will_, np
• 848[12:53:35] <roswell> tdn, quite much. try rerunning apt-get dist-upgrade
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• 854[12:54:21] <will_> about this pgp key thing. The instructions said to use `curl` but console returned `command not found`, so i used wget to download it
• 855[12:54:27] <tdn> roswell, but I did not change anything?
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• 857[12:55:05] <tdn> roswell, this is what it tells me replaced-url
• 858[12:55:06] <roswell> tdn, my bad. comment it out in .migrated aswell
• 859[12:55:19] <will_> `curl replaced-url
• 860[12:55:29] <roswell> will_, apt-get install curl would do it for you
• 861[12:55:32] <tdn> roswell, done
• 862[12:55:33] <will_> i assume thats supposed to use the downloadd file?
• 863[12:55:40] <will_> i see ty
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• 865[12:56:13] <tdn> roswell, does it seem right that dist-upgrade will only installk chromium?
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• 867[12:56:21] <tdn> roswell, I would expect it to configure some of that failed?
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• 870[12:56:59] <roswell> tdn, have you commented out log-slow-queries in my.cnf.migrated aswell before running apt-get dist-upgrade?
• 871[12:57:00] <acagastyaQUASSEL> I just found out today is the last day for wallpaper submission.
• 872[12:57:13] <acagastyaQUASSEL> Where should I submit, can anyone tell me?
• 873[12:57:24] <tdn> roswell, apt-get dist-upgrade gave me this warning: replaced-url
• 874[12:57:31] <tdn> roswell, yes I commented out that line
• 875[12:58:00] <roswell> tdn, that's the proper output. dpkg will be fixing the rest on its own
• 876[12:58:16] <will_> replaced-url
• 877[12:58:34] <will_> does this mean next time i run apt update it wont update from this repo?
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• 881[12:59:37] <roswell> will_, yup. may i see that instruction by google?
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• 883[12:59:57] <will_> roswell, replaced-url
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• 885[13:01:04] <roswell> will_, alright. replace that $CLOUD_SDK_REPO entry with cloud-sdk-stretch
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• 888[13:01:29] <Lachezar> roswell: (re) Not really. Since I have a /dev/md0 that is RAID-1 on both disks I can have /home, /var or whatever on a partition in /dev/md0 and get a RAID redundancy for all of them.
• 889[13:01:56] <tdn> roswell, so what does that mean? Everything is well now?
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• 891[13:02:25] <roswell> tdn, if there are no complaints from dpkg or apt, you're fine
• 892[13:02:42] <tdn> roswell, well, there is one warning, right?
• 893[13:02:49] <tdn> Not sure what to make of it
• 894[13:03:04] <roswell> tdn, which one, regarding GRUB_OPTIONS ?
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• 897[13:03:43] <will_> roswell, again, ty. I wish they'd mention these little things on their site for beginners
• 898[13:03:49] <tdn> roswell, roswell there were some errors regarding initramfs
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• 900[13:04:16] <tdn> roswell, I think GREP_OPTIONS are harmless. They are fixed in my newest .zshrc
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• 905[13:05:21] <tdn> roswell, I am thinking of theses replaced-url
• 906[13:05:32] <tdn> roswell, you think it is safe to reboot?
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• 909[13:05:52] <will_> I'm using cinnamon desktop, and i cant find an option to have several terminals in tabs instead of entire windows
• 910[13:06:13] <will_> plus the annoying beep that sounds when i backspace nothing
• 911[13:06:23] <roswell> tdn, yup it's safe. however have some bootable media just in cas
• 912[13:06:25] <will_> happens in hexchat too. idk why
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• 914[13:06:40] <tdn> roswell, server is thusands of km away.
• 915[13:06:47] <will_> i disabled earlier,but it appears it comes back after reboot
• 916[13:07:01] <roswell> tdn, no ip kvm or smth?
• 917[13:07:04] <tdn> roswell, is there any way to actually verify that things will work? Or to indicate that it probably will?
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• 919[13:07:31] <roswell> will_, cinnamon is out of my competence. i myself run kde
• 920[13:07:36] <tdn> roswell, nope. I have some type of rescue image that I can boot up on with something like a virtual kvm, but it has a lot of problems.
• 921[13:08:04] <tdn> So if it does not boot, it is going to be difficult
• 922[13:08:15] <tdn> And quite likely a reinstall
• 923[13:08:18] <roswell> tdn, any reachable staff nearby or around? i can't believe the server is on its own in a desert
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• 925[13:09:41] <tdn> roswell, not really. If it does not boot, my options are try to use the rescue system or reinstall
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• 927[13:10:10] <roswell> tdn, anyways, grub reported no problems neither recent dist-upgrade did, so it's safe to reboot
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• 929[13:10:48] <will_> roswell, from the google instructions i showed you earlier, i suspect i had to make a change here as well?: `export CLOUD_SDK_REPO="cloud-sdk-$(lsb_release -c -s)"`
• 930[13:10:49] <tdn> roswell, ok. thanks
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• 932[13:11:11] <will_> that lsb release part i assume i should have changed to something specific?
• 933[13:11:32] <roswell> will_, nope, that only exports the env variable for the next command
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• 939[13:14:28] <roswell> tdn, tho i can recall myself setting up a server somewhere in kenya. had to verify my every step twice before proceeding, yet the connectivity on their side was sort of 2g gsm modem quality, so my ssh session was like -- type in a sequence, wait 5 seconds until it appears on my side, watch for typos, hit enter )
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• 944[13:18:41] <tdn> When I try to init a zbackup repos with lzo compression, I get this error: Unsupported compression method: lzo1x_1
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• 950[13:18:54] <tdn> How do I make this compression method available in debian 9?
• 951[13:20:19] <roswell> tdn, i think this one is related replaced-url
• 952[13:20:20] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 953[13:20:22] <tdn> This appears to be a know bug: replaced-url
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• 956[13:20:40] <tdn> roswell, yes. But it seems to be fixed. So why isnt it there? Not fixed in stable?
• 957[13:21:07] <bolt> I'm observing a bug on one of the servers upgraded to Stretch. "top" now shows 0.0% cpu usage for all processes, even though a couple of rather heavy KVM virtual machines and several other things are running on the host. The load numbers are normal. The CPU is a "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v4", on an X99 chipset. All I can find that's even remotely like it is this reddit user with the same problem, but on Arch: replaced-url
• 958[13:21:07] <bolt> 4q31yr/all_processes_show_0_cpu_use/
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• 960[13:21:59] <roswell> tdn, it's related to unstable distribution rather, so i guess it's not published in stable yet
• 961[13:22:06] <Zambezi> I suspect my CPU fan is faulty. How can I monitor the speed from the console? In hardinfo, I just get the core temp under section sensor. Problem is I just swapped my old case for a new and there's three case fans. Could be them. Core temp om CPU is between 30-35 C air cooled.
• 962[13:22:19] <bolt> Last time, a cold boot fixed the issue. But a reboot broke it again.
• 963[13:22:29] <tdn> roswell, any plans on this getting into stable? zbackup with lzo was actually one of the drivers behind my upgrade :/
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• 966[13:22:56] <roswell> tdn, i'm not its maintainer, try addressing him directly
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• 973[13:25:03] <ForceRecon> Do I need to worry about anything here?
• 974[13:25:42] <abrotman> ForceRecon: that's vague
• 975[13:25:44] <roswell> ForceRecon, only about your questions and quality of replies
• 976[13:25:46] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: Context matters.
• 977[13:26:12] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 979[13:26:34] <ForceRecon> yes I should have noted how long the message was and pasted it before i wrote that.. sorry
• 980[13:26:49] <ForceRecon> worst case scenari.. would there be any boot issues?
• 981[13:27:01] <abrotman> not likely
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• 986[13:31:12] <ForceRecon> works.. - replaced-url
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• 988[13:31:37] <ForceRecon> been using the machine all morning.. have 6 open apps, vmware running.. tests, quite cool
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• 990[13:31:42] <ForceRecon> thanks for the help
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• 993[13:32:51] <tdn> roswell, by email?
• 994[13:33:00] <tdn> roswell, not sure what the proper way is
• 995[13:33:56] <treaki> <treaki> hi folks
• 996[13:33:57] <treaki> <treaki> ive got some system with a usb keyboard that has got some volume buttons
• 997[13:33:57] <treaki> <treaki> i would like them to work even when the screen is locked or no user is logged in or even no x server is running
• 998[13:33:57] <treaki> <treaki> because the soundcard of the system is used as a distributed player
• 999[13:33:57] <treaki> <treaki> do you know any deamon that can listen to the volume buttens and turn alsa accordingly
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• 1002[13:34:09] <treaki> no cross posting???
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• 1004[13:34:14] <treaki> <treaki> hi folks
• 1005[13:34:19] <treaki> <treaki> ive got some system with a usb keyboard that has got some volume buttons
• 1006[13:34:24] <blackflow> you're flooding
• 1007[13:34:25] <treaki> <treaki> i would like them to work even when the screen is locked or no user is logged in or even no x server is running
• 1008[13:34:29] <ksk> treaki: could you maybe stop spamming?
• 1009[13:34:30] <treaki> <treaki> because the soundcard of the system is used as a distributed player
• 1010[13:34:34] <treaki> <treaki> do you know any deamon that can listen to the volume buttens and turn alsa accordingly
• 1011[13:34:35] <treaki> thanks in advance
• 1012[13:34:53] <treaki> no my intention isnt to flood but to ask the question ive asked ##linux here to
• 1013[13:34:53] <ForceRecon> testing the waters..
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• 1015[13:35:30] <treaki> ksk, isnt that a apropriet place to discuss this kind of issues, why call it spaming?
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• 1017[13:36:42] <dontknow> if i ewan
• 1018[13:36:43] <ForceRecon> I would suggest #alsa
• 1019[13:37:38] <treaki> ForceRecon, ok, but its not alsa direct but i am looking for a tool that is listening to usb keyboard multimedia keys and then doing actions (i am able to do them using amixer myself but i need something that listens in the background)
• 1020[13:37:39] <dontknow> i have "Audio device: Intel Corporation Sunrise Point-H HD Audio (rev 31)" what firmware package shoul install?
• 1021[13:37:51] <dontknow> i dont hear any sound
• 1022[13:38:24] <treaki> dontknow, have you had a look into your dmesg, normally there is written missing firmware blob filename xyz
• 1023[13:38:31] <treaki> then just use apt-file to search for the package
• 1024[13:38:54] <ForceRecon> treaki: that is a pretty specific question. I cannot answer it, but maybe if you wait long enough someone might have done that before.. sorry can't help ya
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• 1035[13:42:16] <blackflow> treaki: you could bindsym XF86Audio* key events to commands. how to do that depends on your wm or DE
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• 1039[13:44:48] <shtrb> tdn , check your hadware you may have idrac or something like that you can abuse
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• 1041[13:45:01] <treaki> ForceRecon, i thought so, simple questions i can solve on my own ;), ill try to stay some h
• 1042[13:45:13] <tdn> shtrb, I wish I had
• 1043[13:45:14] <treaki> blackflow, i want it to work even with NO XSERVER AT ALL
• 1044[13:45:20] <treaki> but thanks for the imput
• 1045[13:45:36] <treaki> *input
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• 1047[13:46:16] <blackflow> treaki: how do you "lock" the screen without x running? you mean, when you're logged out via tty?
• 1048[13:46:34] <treaki> screen strg+a x for example
• 1049[13:46:46] <treaki> or vlock
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• 1051[13:47:22] <tdn> Is it possible to har tar produce a lzop compressed .tar instead of gzip? And what would the proper file extension be? .tar.lz?
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• 1053[13:47:37] <treaki> to say it in other ways, a global keylogger that is starting skript x on keyevent y
• 1054[13:48:03] <treaki> tdn, "har"??
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• 1056[13:48:56] <treaki> there are no file extensions in unix, thats an antic dos think for operating systems not capable of detecting filetypes or storing it in the filesystem next to the filname as metadata
• 1057[13:49:10] <blackflow> tdn: you can always pipe outout of one program (tar) to input of another (whatever compression you want)
• 1058[13:49:15] <treaki> we only use extentions because of the miority of microsoft software in our cruel world
• 1059[13:49:33] <petn-randall> treaki: filetypes are not stored in the filesystem as meta-data.
• 1060[13:49:39] <blackflow> and web servers that use extension maps to content type
• 1061[13:49:41] <treaki> tdn, try file to identify files without extensions
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• 1063[13:50:15] <blackflow> tdn: and btw, accordign to its manpage, tar can do --lzop
• 1064[13:50:27] <treaki> petn-randall, are not on usual gnu/linux systems but have been in recent operation systems design (apple os till 9 for example)
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• 1066[13:51:00] <shtrb> tdn , do you have a vmware on a connected device ? if yes you can "boot" a debian machine in it
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• 1078[13:58:24] <blackflow> treaki: maybe there is, but the nature of the console and tty is such that I wouldn't know if it's even possible.
• 1079[13:59:16] <HeXiLeD> is this bug related ? colord[740]: failed to get session [pid 623]: No such device or address
• 1080[13:59:21] <blackflow> there's no such thing as "keyboard events", the tty consumes all input from the kbd. with x, the server does the same but then produces various x events the clients can "listen" on
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• 1085[14:02:02] <format_c> being in X, take a look at xev
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• 1089[14:03:37] <roswell> or, attach directly to /dev/input/event* (or whatever in there is more appropriate)
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• 1091[14:03:46] <treaki> blackflow, its not a question about console at all, its more a question about how to catch keyevents on next to hardware level
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• 1093[14:04:13] <roswell> treaki, see my reply above
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• 1095[14:05:15] <blackflow> treaki: it is because there are no "keyevents". it's the kernel that turns hardware signals into data for the console. and without X, it's all about the console.
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• 1097[14:06:53] <roswell> blackflow, there's no such thing as the 'console', actually. w/o x it's tty
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• 1099[14:07:52] <blackflow> roswell: which is what I mentioned a few times :)
• 1100[14:08:17] <treaki> but how to capture keyevents no matter if there is also an underlying console or xserver or whatever and run a command if a special keyevent occurs
• 1101[14:08:23] <roswell> blackflow, ah. been afk must haven't seen it
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• 1104[14:08:50] <roswell> treaki, read directly from the device -- /dev/input/event*
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• 1112[14:10:09] <treaki> i now have found out something about the hid event interface of the linux kernel, i guess if there is nothing jet out ill just throw a bunch of c code at it
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• 1115[14:11:11] <treaki> but i have hoped for some still existing tool for such a purpose
• 1116[14:11:15] <blackflow> roswell: he wants an "asynchronous" daemon that listens to those even when logged out on tty, and translates specific scancodes into commands to alsa, ie. wants to map volume buttons, but working even when logged out in "console"
• 1117[14:11:39] <blackflow> technically such a daemon can exist, but each keypress will register on the login tty as well
• 1118[14:12:18] <gpunk> treaki: so you have to write your own program :)
• 1119[14:12:43] <roswell> blackflow, that's right. also, this will affect the whole alsa subsystem
• 1120[14:13:00] <roswell> and yes, gpunk is also right )
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• 1122[14:13:25] <blackflow> treaki: maybe you're trying to solve a wrong problem. there are audio daemons with http interfaces which may be more helpful, depending on what exactly you want
• 1123[14:13:50] <gpunk> replaced-url
• 1124[14:13:57] <gpunk> i saw that ...
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• 1128[14:16:20] <MCMic_w> Hey
• 1129[14:16:37] <MCMic_w> How do I get npm on stretch? I can’t find which package holds it
• 1130[14:17:52] <babilen> judd: v npm
• 1131[14:17:53] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2; sid: 1.4.21+ds-2
• 1132[14:18:09] * petn-randall tries to remember the factoid for showing why X was removed.
• 1133[14:18:21] <babilen> dpkg: why is npm not in testing
• 1134[14:18:22] <dpkg> npm is not in testing for the reasons listed in replaced-url
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• 1136[14:18:33] <jelly> casualty of "noone wants to support v8 and node.js"
• 1137[14:18:46] <jelly> mentioned in stretch release notes, I believe
• 1138[14:18:58] <ForceRecon> anything I need to be concerned about? Bluetooth, does start.. I have never tried to use it, but see this message in dmesg
• 1139[14:19:00] <ForceRecon> bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd (-2)
• 1140[14:19:02] <ForceRecon> [ 18.559305] bluetooth hci0: Direct firmware load for brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd failed with error -2
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• 1142[14:19:21] <ForceRecon> Bluetooth: hci0: BCM: Patch brcm/BCM20702A1-13d3-3404.hcd not found
• 1143[14:19:25] <MCMic_w> hmm
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• 1145[14:19:48] <MCMic_w> Thanks for the info
• 1146[14:20:13] <gpunk> ForceRecon: replaced-url
• 1147[14:20:14] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: I don't think it's fruitful to ask for every single log message you find if it is something you need to be concerned about.
• 1148[14:20:17] <HeXiLeD> dpkg: colord
• 1149[14:20:18] <dpkg> HeXiLeD: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.
• 1150[14:20:24] <gpunk> install the missing firmware :)
• 1151[14:20:29] <jelly> or maybe mot directly. replaced-url
• 1152[14:20:39] <ForceRecon> well.. its the only one I have so I figured I would toss it out there.. :)
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• 1154[14:21:40] <tdn> shtrb, no vmware
• 1155[14:21:45] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: You've been asking similar questions earlier, and you've been doing so in the last weeks.
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• 1158[14:23:28] <shtrb> tdn , I think qemu had an option to "load" a filesystem from share , is that an option for you ?
• 1159[14:23:30] <ForceRecon> No offence petn-randall but if there is something I am not sure about, have researched and could not find the answer for, then I go to the one place I should be able to ask a question.. This is a CHAT HELP room correct/
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• 1161[14:23:52] <tdn> shtrb, not really. I only have this one single server in this datacenter
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• 1165[14:25:08] <shtrb> tdn , I'm out of ideas how to test if an installed debian will boot or not
• 1166[14:25:38] <tdn> shtrb, no problem. I realize I will just have to try it out. I am currently taking an extra backup so that reinstallation will be possible if I have to go there...
• 1167[14:25:48] <tdn> shtrb, will reboot in a few minutes...
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• 1169[14:26:55] <shtrb> ForceRecon did you make sure the firmware are installed and are not blacklisted via rfkill ?
• 1170[14:27:27] <shtrb> tdn , prior to reboot , some service providers sends a hacker to site for a nice fee
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• 1172[14:27:46] <tdn> shtrb, sure, but I cannot afford that
• 1173[14:27:50] <shtrb> oh
• 1174[14:28:26] <shtrb> good luck
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• 1177[14:28:42] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: Ok, in this particular case it just means it couldn't load the firmware. If the device works, there's nothing to worry about. In a more broader sense, Linux OSes are in general fairly verbose regarding logging, so you'll see a lot more things in there than on e.g. Windows. If there is no "WARNING:" or "FATAL:" prepended, you, as a rule of thumb, don't need to worry about it.
• 1178[14:29:04] <petn-randall> ForceRecon: However, if you're curious what it means, by all means ask in here.
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• 1180[14:29:35] <ForceRecon> all I know is the bluetooth icon comes up every time I reboot.. I personally wanted to turn it off in the bios but that upset debian, so I just turn it off manually each time. Today I happen to be reading a post here and it mentioned looking at dmesg, so i decided to try it. I noticed that there was a red line mentioning the bluetooth so I decided to ask.. I personally think it works.. on a side note I do not know anything about blackliste
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• 1182[14:29:37] <ForceRecon> d and rfkill at all.. I will look that up now
• 1183[14:30:21] <shtrb> ForceRecon just disable bluetoothd
• 1184[14:30:36] <shtrb> and your favorite's DE bluetooth agent
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• 1187[14:32:31] <ForceRecon> bluetooth needs to br turned on for the device manager to function
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• 1191[14:33:40] <ForceRecon> I keep turning it off but there is no disable option in settings I can find
• 1192[14:33:44] <roswell> btw kdeconnect in stretch is a thing
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• 1194[14:34:28] <roswell> ForceRecon, just mark that bt icon as 'never show' in notifications settings
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• 1196[14:35:39] <ForceRecon> I did.. but after a reboot, it just comes back.. and when I click on it to see devices, there are none listed.. its okay.. I am going to try this firmware.. reboot, see if that fixes the issue.. play around a bit.. thanks
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• 1200[14:37:09] <whysj> hi!
• 1201[14:37:27] <roswell> yello
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• 1216[14:45:00] <shtrb> ForceRecon , which DE ?
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• 1219[14:46:05] <ForceRecon> debian 9.1(x86-64) Cinnamon ver 3.2.7, Kernel 4.9.0-3-amd64
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• 1226[14:48:23] <maxcell_> i'm experiencing some system locks when i watch a video with CACHE activated
• 1227[14:48:40] <roswell> maxcell_, what's CACHE?
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• 1229[14:49:50] <shtrb> ForceRecon , have you tried systemctl disable bluetooth ?
• 1230[14:49:52] <maxcell_> roswell, yeah, if i enable Cache option on MPV, lets say 2gb of cache, it will frozen sometime. Same in "Stremio" when i'm watching series it will frozen close to the end normaly
• 1231[14:50:27] <maxcell_> Stremio has cache activated by default
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• 1233[14:50:45] <roswell> maxcell_, what if u disable caching or lowering it to some reasonable value, lessay 512k
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• 1236[14:51:37] <ForceRecon> no I have not.. last time I disabled bluetooth the machine booted to a black screen.. that was in the bios.. if I change it in linux.. I fear not being able to fix it, because I have no idea where it is written to even remove it
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• 1238[14:51:51] <maxcell_> right now my system frozen (not frozen but really slow) for quite a while, like 15/20seconds. Just because Stremio are open, not running any videos.
• 1239[14:52:08] <maxcell_> is open*
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• 1241[14:52:27] <roswell> maxcell_, so it must be swapping i guess. how much ram your machine has onboard?
• 1242[14:52:39] <maxcell_> then if i put a serie to watch without Reloging it will frozen for sure
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• 1244[14:52:57] <maxcell_> roswell, i have 8gb
• 1245[14:53:02] <maxcell_> and nvidia
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• 1247[14:53:11] <maxcell_> cpu intel i5 2500
• 1248[14:53:22] <maxcell_> cpufreq enabled
• 1249[14:54:28] <roswell> maxcell_, it's swapping. do you have a dozen of tabs opened in chrome or firefox in background aswell?
• 1250[14:55:02] <whysj> maybe that got stuck
• 1251[14:55:16] <maxcell_> chrome aren't even open. I just have, hexchat, stremio, steam (no games running), terminal, nautilus.
• 1252[14:55:36] <maxcell_> denis@debian:~$ free -m
• 1253[14:55:36] <maxcell_> total used free shared buff/cache available
• 1254[14:55:36] <maxcell_> Mem: 7934 1245 4468 188 2220 6228
• 1255[14:55:41] <maxcell_> sorry
• 1256[14:56:12] <frazr> :)
• 1257[14:56:25] <maxcell_> roswell, replaced-url
• 1258[14:56:50] <frazr> I don't know if i'm misinterpreting HTOP or if there's a mysql memory leak going on, yesterday the mysqld threads were at 270M now 370M memory dangerously close to start swapping.
• 1259[14:57:05] <roswell> maxcell_, nm. pastebin your /proc/stat
• 1260[14:57:08] <frazr> the RES column with shift+H active is the memory consumption per thread yes/no ?
• 1261[14:57:12] <maxcell_> roswell, ok
• 1262[14:57:46] <maxcell_> replaced-url
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• 1266[15:01:08] <roswell> maxcell_, hm, iowait is relatively low from what i can see
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• 1268[15:01:45] <maxcell_> roswell, why?
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• 1270[15:02:17] <roswell> maxcell_, that's actually normal. higher values mean cpu is busy with io tasks
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• 1272[15:02:49] <maxcell_> io tasks, but i'm not doing anything praticaly
• 1273[15:02:52] <roswell> maxcell_, are you sure it's a not streamio issue?
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• 1275[15:03:03] <roswell> not a* damn typos
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• 1277[15:03:19] <maxcell_> can be but, like i said, if i put cache configs into mpv, it will frozen and close the program
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• 1280[15:03:40] <maxcell_> faster then stremio even
• 1281[15:03:50] <maxcell_> than*
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• 1284[15:04:10] <maxcell_> what could be?
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• 1286[15:04:26] <maxcell_> i feel like my hardware aren't ok
• 1287[15:04:30] <roswell> maxcell_, try running (with root privs) grep -i 'oom killer' /var/log/syslog
• 1288[15:05:03] <maxcell_> nothing appears
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• 1290[15:05:29] <roswell> then it's not a memory neither an iowait issue
• 1291[15:05:41] <maxcell_> hmm
• 1292[15:05:44] <maxcell_> could be video card?
• 1293[15:05:50] <maxcell_> i thought it was memory
• 1294[15:06:03] <maxcell_> what this command do? oom killer?
• 1295[15:06:57] <roswell> grep -- find a substring, -i -- in case-insensitive manner, 'oom killer' -- the substring to search for, /var/log/syslog -- where to search
• 1296[15:07:25] <maxcell_> i know but
• 1297[15:07:38] <maxcell_> how did you know my memory wasn't fault with this command?
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• 1302[15:08:59] <roswell> maxcell_, its output was empty. however, try this one for the great justice -- grep -i 'killed process' /var/log/syslog
• 1303[15:09:02] <cruncher> ForceRecon, in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf, set AutoEnable=false, and InitiallyPowered=false. Then check after reboot what rfkill list says
• 1304[15:09:08] <ForceRecon> in this line which one is iowait? replaced-url
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• 1307[15:09:28] <maxcell_> roswell, empty too...
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• 1309[15:09:39] <roswell> ForceRecon, replaced-url
• 1310[15:10:05] <maxcell_> roswell, i know the command was empty but, what i didn't understand is what "oom killer" means
• 1311[15:10:16] <maxcell_> -.-
• 1312[15:10:16] <roswell> oom is out-of-memory
• 1313[15:10:23] <maxcell_> hmm
• 1314[15:10:41] <maxcell_> ok
• 1315[15:10:54] <maxcell_> but that doesn't mean my memory is Ok
• 1316[15:11:12] <roswell> linux kernel kills processes which begin eating much memory than they regularly do
• 1317[15:11:18] <maxcell_> it could be fault, then you made me run 'killed process' to make sure?
• 1318[15:11:29] <maxcell_> roswell, get it
• 1319[15:11:50] <ForceRecon> cruncher: in that file the only thing that is not commented out is AutoEnable=true under the POLICY header
• 1320[15:11:53] <maxcell_> do you think that my memory could be fault?
• 1321[15:12:01] <maxcell_> like a bad sector in HD
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• 1323[15:12:15] <maxcell_> or it wouldn't 'frozen' if that was the case?
• 1324[15:12:27] <cruncher> ForceRecon, doesnt matter, just make sure those 2 are there and uncommented
• 1325[15:12:36] <roswell> maxcell_, so i just wanted to make sure whether it's not about memory. try running the app from terminal. like kconsole or xterm, just to see its output
• 1326[15:12:45] <cruncher> meaning, amend the 1st, append the 2nd
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• 1328[15:13:02] <maxcell_> roswell, ok
• 1329[15:13:06] <maxcell_> it will take a while
• 1330[15:13:17] <roswell> maxcell_, what, still frozen?
• 1331[15:13:23] <ForceRecon> I don't have the other one initiallyPowered
• 1332[15:13:31] <maxcell_> roswell, in order to make it 'frozen' again
• 1333[15:13:36] <maxcell_> i will need to download a torrent
• 1334[15:13:40] <maxcell_> and put cache configs back in
• 1335[15:13:41] <cruncher> ForceRecon, i repeat: append the 2nd (initiallypowered)
• 1336[15:13:44] <roswell> maxcell_, whatever science takes )
• 1337[15:13:49] <maxcell_> oh right
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• 1340[15:14:02] <cruncher> test
• 1341[15:14:06] <cruncher> can you guys read this?
• 1342[15:14:07] <roswell> passed
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• 1344[15:14:22] <maxcell_> roswell, i was using this cache configs replaced-url
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• 1346[15:14:26] <roswell> or, two stripes )
• 1347[15:14:32] <ForceRecon> replaced-url
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• 1350[15:15:12] <cruncher> ForceRecon, the InitiallyPowered is missing
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• 1352[15:15:32] <ForceRecon> that's whats in there.. I never changed it
• 1353[15:15:41] <ForceRecon> so just comment out the last item?
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• 1355[15:16:00] <roswell> maxcell_, nice. looks to me like a config file of one of those rockbreaking machines )
• 1356[15:16:06] <cruncher> ForceRecon, not easy with you :)
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• 1358[15:16:51] <cruncher> ForceRecon, make sure "AutoEnable=false" AND "InitiallyPowered=false" are there. IF its not there, add it, if its there but not false, modify it.
• 1359[15:16:53] <cruncher> understand?
• 1360[15:16:55] <ForceRecon> yeah I know but I just want to be sure.. tell me once.. I won't forget.. just want to make sure, since that other line is NOT there.. that I am in the right place
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• 1363[15:17:10] <maxcell_> roswell, i downgrade it. I put cache only =2000000 instead of 5000000
• 1364[15:17:19] <maxcell_> roswell, which is 2gb, like stremio
• 1365[15:17:35] <maxcell_> i have 8gb of RAM so, i thought wasn't a problem
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• 1372[15:20:00] <roswell> maxcell_, so?
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• 1374[15:20:18] <ForceRecon> cruncher: understood and completed.. thanks
• 1375[15:20:34] <maxcell_> roswell, my PC should be doing it without a problem i gess
• 1376[15:20:44] <maxcell_> right?
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• 1379[15:21:12] <maxcell_> roswell, i will send you a paste of the mpv.conf file
• 1380[15:21:33] <roswell> maxcell_, recently minecraft gave me troubles on my pc equipped with almost as yours
• 1381[15:22:07] <maxcell_> roswell, i wonder why
• 1382[15:22:10] <McErroneous> Hi, i disabled root-login, but "sudo su" works somehow, but i am unable to disable root-password, (message coming up like: wrong /etc/sudoers permissions, permissions are 0640, but should be 0440, HOW DO I FORCE PERMISSIONS TO BE 0640, anyway ? ( NO REBOOTing)
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• 1384[15:23:03] <roswell> McErroneous, chmod 0440 /etc/sudoers
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• 1386[15:23:45] <roswell> maxcell_, either i do. so what about that output, was there anything at all?
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• 1390[15:24:16] <maxcell_> roswell, just finally end the torrent download
• 1391[15:24:19] <McErroneous> roswell, FORCE 0640 ??, READ THE QUESTION PLEASE...
• 1392[15:24:24] <maxcell_> lets see if it happens right now
• 1393[15:24:33] <roswell> McErroneous, fix sudo source code
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• 1399[15:24:59] <roswell> and hit the caps lock once
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• 1407[15:27:43] <maxcell_> roswell, why id never happend when we want it to
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• 1409[15:28:24] <acagastya> maxcell_: do you know where can we submit wallpapers for Debian?
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• 1412[15:28:38] <roswell> maxcell_, lot of ppl say the same a lot you know )
• 1413[15:28:43] <maxcell_> acagastya, submit wallpapers? i don't know
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• 1415[15:29:03] <maxcell_> roswell, but i'm not lieying
• 1416[15:29:07] <juon> Hy guuys
• 1417[15:29:14] <roswell> acagastya, replaced-url
• 1418[15:29:16] <juon> How to make Android Root using Linux?
• 1419[15:29:30] <maxcell_> roswell, i just restart X and log again twice to be able to finish watching jessica jones episode..
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• 1421[15:29:37] <roswell> juon, invoke a shell
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• 1423[15:29:44] <acagastya> I remember today is the last day.
• 1424[15:29:49] <maxcell_> roswell, on stremio
• 1425[15:29:52] <juon> roswell, why shell ?
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• 1427[15:30:16] <roswell> juon, that's the way of using linux on android
• 1428[15:30:17] <juon> roswell, do you have a shell iet ? .sh ?
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• 1430[15:31:09] <roswell> juon, be specific
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• 1439[15:32:18] <juon> roswell, No, I want to route my android using linux, do android root, my cell phone does not support rotate a single.
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• 1443[15:32:38] <roswell> wallpaper contest... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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• 1445[15:32:54] <tdn> roswell, FYI: the machine booted up just fine. Thanks a lot for the help :D
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• 1447[15:33:28] <roswell> juon, engish mthf do you speak it? or russian or french, at least?
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• 1449[15:33:35] <roswell> tdn, np mate )
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• 1451[15:33:48] <acagastya_> roswell: looks like a false alarm for me: it is for artwork-- I don't have graphic work.
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• 1453[15:34:21] <roswell> acagastya_, graphic? good for u
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• 1460[15:36:40] <TandyUK> ok, from a netinstall iso's 'rescue mode' how do i go about resetting the installed os's root password?
• 1461[15:37:17] <iodev> TandyUK: passwd
• 1462[15:37:19] <iodev> press enter
• 1463[15:37:21] <roswell> TandyUK, mount root partition, shell into it, run passwd and change
• 1464[15:37:26] <iodev> ahh, you're on iso
• 1465[15:37:27] <maxcell_> roswell, thanks for the help and i will watch the episodes from the terminal now, so when it start to slow down things i will, luckly, be able to see if thats anything happening that "stremio"/"mpv" is aware of
• 1466[15:37:29] <TandyUK> installing on a blade, and keyboard mapping is messing with my keymap
• 1467[15:37:44] <roswell> maxcell_, np mate
• 1468[15:37:58] <iodev> TandyUK: mount /dev/sdxy <somewhere>, chroot <somewhere> /bin/bash, passwd
• 1469[15:38:00] <TandyUK> yeah installed blade, types root pass twice, typed user pass twice, boot os
• 1470[15:38:11] <TandyUK> user pass works, but root pass doesnt
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• 1472[15:38:28] <maxcell_> roswell, yeah, like i said, the slow down normally happens in the end of the episode, which is around 45 minutes so, can't reproduce that whenever i want
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• 1475[15:38:41] <maxcell_> roswell, but the instability is definitely there
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• 1477[15:38:53] <maxcell_> cya
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• 1480[15:39:10] <ForceRecon> iptables is already the newest version , iptables -L -n -v , iptables: command not found... what?
• 1481[15:39:29] <maxcell_> ForceRecon, sudo
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• 1483[15:39:39] <ForceRecon> sigh
• 1484[15:39:58] <ForceRecon> thx..
• 1485[15:40:04] <maxcell_> hehe
• 1486[15:40:04] <fireba11> :-d
• 1487[15:40:08] <maxcell_> :p
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• 1489[15:40:40] <TandyUK> also wtf is with sudo not being installed by default :(
• 1490[15:40:53] <maxcell_> debian never likes it
• 1491[15:40:59] <ForceRecon> kinda dangerous
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• 1493[15:41:03] <abrotman> TandyUK: it's not required, no need to have it.
• 1494[15:41:14] <abrotman> installing it is easy
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• 1497[15:41:36] <abrotman> ForceRecon: use the full path
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• 1499[15:41:45] <TandyUK> its just annoying when using strong passwords for root
• 1500[15:42:05] <TandyUK> user pw is strong enough, typing my strong root pw is just time consuming lol
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• 1504[15:42:30] <abrotman> TandyUK: then feel free to install and configure sudo
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• 1507[15:42:47] <TandyUK> yeah thats _always_ job #1 after an install
• 1508[15:43:14] <TandyUK> every other distro im aware of installs sudo and add the default user to sudoers automagically
• 1509[15:43:19] <abrotman> for those that use sudo, perhaps
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• 1511[15:43:31] <abrotman> TandyUK: you can do that, if you don't give root a password at install time
• 1512[15:43:41] <fireba11> hm, my vm templates all got authorized_keys prepared .. :-P
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• 1524[15:49:24] <maxcell_> abrotman, what happens if you don't do root a password?
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• 1527[15:49:31] <maxcell_> when you try do "su"
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• 1529[15:49:48] <abrotman> you can't su, you have to use sudo
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• 1531[15:49:58] <abrotman> erm, you can't su to root
• 1532[15:49:59] <maxcell_> how you install it without a root passwd?
• 1533[15:50:01] <abrotman> you can su to other users
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• 1535[15:50:19] <maxcell_> if you can't login to root
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• 1537[15:50:43] <maxcell_> or you can? without a passwd
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• 1540[15:51:15] <HSorgYves> You can use: sudo su
• 1541[15:51:18] <HSorgYves> Maybe
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• 1544[15:52:01] <maxcell_> i mean, you don't have root password, neither sudo. How you login into root to apt-get sudo?
• 1545[15:52:10] <maxcell_> you can login to root without a password?
• 1546[15:52:20] <TandyUK> sudo -s will give yo ua root shell
• 1547[15:52:42] <maxcell_> nvm
• 1548[15:52:44] <TandyUK> maxcell_: if no root pw, my understanding is sudo is installed and configured automatically
• 1549[15:52:55] <TandyUK> if you specify a root pw, it isnt
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• 1552[15:53:17] <maxcell_> but lets say it doesn't.
• 1553[15:53:26] <TandyUK> doesnt what?
• 1554[15:53:36] <maxcell_> sudo aren't installed and root haven't password
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• 1557[15:53:45] <TandyUK> then something went very wrong
• 1558[15:53:47] <TandyUK> the options are:
• 1559[15:53:48] <maxcell_> you can login into root in a TTY without a passwd?
• 1560[15:54:00] <TandyUK> 1) blank root pw. sudo is installed and configured automatically
• 1561[15:54:12] <maxcell_> nothing wrong, you are installing Arch linux and doesn't configure root password yet
• 1562[15:54:14] <TandyUK> 2) root pw specified. sudo is not installed
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• 1566[15:54:49] <maxcell_> what happens? thats my curiosity
• 1567[15:54:59] <TandyUK> huh
• 1568[15:55:04] <TandyUK> what happens when?
• 1569[15:55:06] <maxcell_> first time you try to login into root, it will ask you for a new password mayb?
• 1570[15:55:09] <TandyUK> there 2 very clear options there
• 1571[15:55:12] <maxcell_> nvm man
• 1572[15:55:14] <maxcell_> lol
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• 1574[15:55:18] <TandyUK> you cant login as root without a password
• 1575[15:55:19] <maxcell_> just forget it
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• 1577[15:55:24] <TandyUK> you have to login as user and use sudo
• 1578[15:55:37] <maxcell_> nvm
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• 1584[15:57:26] <CutMeOwnThroat> maxcell_, the installer will install sudo when you don't give a password and make logging in via passwords impossible…
• 1585[15:57:32] <shtrb> anyone have an idea about my pulseaudio question ?
• 1586[15:57:33] <maxcell_> TandyUK, btw, you said you prefer sudo then root because root has long password, and thats exactly why sudo aren't that safe and debian doesn't like it
• 1587[15:57:54] <CutMeOwnThroat> at least as far as I remember…
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• 1592[15:58:48] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, who make logging in impossible? sudo itself?
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• 1596[15:59:46] <CutMeOwnThroat> the installer probably sets an invalid encrypted password entry…
• 1597[16:00:09] <roswell> CutMeOwnThroat, report that to bugs.debian.org
• 1598[16:00:15] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, so it will have a password anyway
• 1599[16:00:43] <maxcell_> interesting
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• 1602[16:01:23] <maxcell_> so basically you can't have root user without a password
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• 1604[16:02:04] <CutMeOwnThroat> roswell, nobody said that's a bug
• 1605[16:02:28] <CutMeOwnThroat> maxcell_, no, it won't, because no password can compare positively against that string
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• 1607[16:02:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's one common way of disabling an account
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• 1609[16:03:10] <maxcell_> hmmm
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• 1611[16:03:15] <CutMeOwnThroat> anyway… try it out… it's not as if one'd install systems on a daily basis
• 1612[16:03:16] <maxcell_> now i understand
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• 1615[16:03:37] <maxcell_> i undertand
• 1616[16:03:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> so I'm not really sure what the installer does… but that'd be a setup/behavior that would make sense
• 1617[16:03:50] <maxcell_> yes
• 1618[16:03:54] <maxcell_> it's a good idea
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• 1620[16:04:39] <CutMeOwnThroat> usually the encrypted password string is set to "!"
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• 1623[16:05:26] <roswell> CutMeOwnThroat, let's say right it's an inobvious behaviour -- if you answer no to installer's question 'would you be able to logon as root?', then sudo will be installed along, and the first created user will be added into /etc/sudoers
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• 1627[16:07:52] <maxcell_> the only thing i didn't fully understand is, if you find out this "encrypted password" debian gaves to root, you can't logging in?
• 1628[16:07:57] <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't know the details of what the installer asks … I don't install often and I never install sudo
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• 1630[16:08:21] <CutMeOwnThroat> maxcell_, that's not how passwords work…
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• 1632[16:08:37] <maxcell_> hmm
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• 1634[16:09:07] <maxcell_> i wont ask you for a lecture without paying
• 1635[16:09:15] <maxcell_> haha
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• 1637[16:09:35] <CutMeOwnThroat> passwords are basically hashes… like MD5 hashes, only a bit more complicated … easy to compute mySecretPassword ---> 7cb25a29ff86707c0193c3754dc3fe81 , hard to compute the other way around
• 1638[16:10:03] <CutMeOwnThroat> but there is no md5sum that computes to become "!" so there is no combination of letters that would produce that hash
• 1639[16:10:11] <maxcell_> get it
• 1640[16:10:24] <gpunk> maxcell_: you want a blank password ?
• 1641[16:10:29] <maxcell_> but
• 1642[16:10:30] <maxcell_> gpunk, no
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• 1644[16:10:39] <maxcell_> gpunk, i was just learning
• 1645[16:10:44] <gpunk> ok
• 1646[16:10:50] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's like…/etc/shadow has 7cb25a29ff86707c0193c3754dc3fe81 as an md5sum, when you login, you type mySecretPassword and the computer does echo mySecretPassword | md5sum and compares that agains the string in /etc/passwd
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• 1648[16:11:19] <CutMeOwnThroat> it's pretty much exactly like that plus some salt for added taste
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• 1650[16:12:04] <maxcell_> roswell, btw, i got a frozen right now and no messages in Stremio output
• 1651[16:12:05] <BobBarker> does anyone know of a repo that still has sqeeze on it?
• 1652[16:12:11] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, sorry back to it
• 1653[16:12:24] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, so
• 1654[16:12:50] <maxcell_> if MySecretPassword matches the md5sum in /etc/shadow it will alowed
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• 1656[16:12:54] <BobBarker> also, does anyone have experience compiling binaries that work on very old installations (I guess libc being the thing)?
• 1657[16:13:07] <careta> hey guys, how do I remove all the task-*-desktop except the english?
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• 1659[16:13:36] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, and "!" (which is the MD5SUM in /etc/passwd) doesn't have a combination of passwords that matches it.
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• 1661[16:13:58] <maxcell_> so you have a "blank" password
• 1662[16:14:05] <maxcell_> get it
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• 1664[16:14:12] <maxcell_> very cool
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• 1668[16:14:56] <gpunk> BobBarker: replaced-url
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• 1670[16:15:13] <oo_miguel> how is /dev/sda /dev/sdb etc.. consistent over restarts. and what will happen when i unplug, replug, change sata/usb slots ?
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• 1672[16:15:22] <gpunk> BobBarker: there is a Archive repos still
• 1673[16:15:35] <BobBarker> gpunk: perfect, thanks
• 1674[16:15:42] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, how do i do that? remove the root password
• 1675[16:15:58] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, set it to encrypted "!"?
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• 1677[16:16:00] <petn-randall> BobBarker: Note that squeeze is entirely unsupported by now, so it's better to fix whatever you have to work with newer versions.
• 1678[16:16:09] <maxcell_> CutMeOwnThroat, i already have sudo installed and configured
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• 1682[16:17:28] <maxcell_> plus sudoers have the lines: ROOT ALL=(ALL) ALL and i think i can remove it along with the root's password
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• 1691[16:22:52] <bolt> I'm observing a bug on one of the servers upgraded to Stretch. "top" now shows 0.0% cpu usage for all processes, even though a couple of rather heavy processes are running on the host. The load numbers are normal. The CPU is a "Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2620 v4", on an X99 chipset. All I can find that's even remotely like it is this reddit user with the same problem, but on Arch: replaced-url
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• 1694[16:24:41] <jelly> bolt: did you do a power cycle after upgrading?
• 1695[16:24:57] <jelly> do an actual power cycle, not just a reboot
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• 1701[16:26:05] <bolt> jelly: i've restarted it several times since then. a cold boot usually fixes it, though not always, and a reboot breaks it again
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• 1703[16:26:46] <gpunk> bolt: can we see your dmesg ?
• 1704[16:26:48] <jelly> hm, so it's a similar bug but not the same thing
• 1705[16:27:01] <jelly> bolt: running stretch default kernel?
• 1706[16:27:14] <tdn> Where do I find instructions on how to upgrade postgresql from 9.4 to 9.6 when upgrading fra debian 8 to 9?
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• 1710[16:28:03] <gpunk> tdn: my instructions are:
• 1711[16:28:09] <gpunk> dump databases,
• 1712[16:28:14] <gpunk> upgrade de soft,
• 1713[16:28:19] <gpunk> restore databases
• 1714[16:28:21] <tdn> de soft?
• 1715[16:28:26] <gpunk> postgresql
• 1716[16:28:30] <petn-randall> tdn: Look at 'man pg_upgradecluster', make backups before.
• 1717[16:28:38] <petn-randall> !enter
• 1718[16:28:38] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
• 1719[16:28:41] <petn-randall> gpunk: ^^^
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• 1724[16:29:01] <jelly> tdn: zless /usr/share/doc/postgresql-common/README.Debian.gz -- section "Default clusters and upgrading"
• 1725[16:29:01] <gpunk> oopsy , lol
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• 1728[16:29:38] <cruncher> just to clarify the topic from earlier: if the root pw is left empty at the installer, the root account is disabled and the first user account will be able to sudo
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• 1731[16:29:45] <BobBarker> petn-randall: understood, I'm trying to recover a broken system for upgrade :)
• 1732[16:29:51] <tdn> jelly, thanks
• 1733[16:29:59] <cruncher> maxcell_ roswell CutMeOwnThroat ^^
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• 1735[16:30:14] <cruncher> and liek CutMeOwnThroat said, the root pw is substituted with a "!"
• 1736[16:30:19] <bolt> jelly: 4.9.0-3-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) x86_64 GNU/Linux and dmesg: replaced-url
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• 1738[16:30:38] <cruncher> roswell, no, you cant "find out" the root pw as a "!" would not match any real password
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• 1746[16:32:27] <bolt> gpunk: dmesg above --^
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• 1748[16:32:48] <roswell> cruncher, btw what's the difference between ! and * in /etc/shadow i wonde
• 1749[16:32:50] <roswell> r
• 1750[16:32:51] <gpunk> bolt: the kernel bugged "[ 879.068026] WARNING: CPU: 0 PID: 0"
• 1751[16:32:55] <jelly> bolt: are there firmware updates for your motherboard available? that dmesg does not look complete (missing start)
• 1752[16:33:01] <gpunk> in these cases I reboot ...
• 1753[16:33:30] <roswell> just like in old windows times
• 1754[16:33:34] <jelly> gpunk: it didn't BUG, it WARNINGed.
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• 1758[16:34:06] <gpunk> jelly: yes but still , i perso. dont relie on it anymore ...
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• 1760[16:34:21] <Kitty> dpkg clone
• 1761[16:34:22] <dpkg> hmm... clone is to clone a partition or full disk, read replaced-url
• 1762[16:34:22] <bolt> gpunk: reboots cause the problem. they don't fix it.
• 1763[16:34:28] <Kitty> dpkg aptitude clone
• 1764[16:34:28] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
• 1765[16:34:49] <gpunk> bolt: it was a hidden problem
• 1766[16:35:00] <bolt> jelly: unfortunately, the bios 3502 03/01/2017 it shows in the paste is the latest
• 1767[16:35:05] <tdn> jelly, I tried doing as described: pg_dropcluster on the new empty 9.6 main, then pg_upgradecluster on the old 9.4. However that failed: replaced-url
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• 1769[16:35:13] <tdn> (I have backups)
• 1770[16:35:14] <cruncher> roswell, a * means its disable
• 1771[16:35:17] <bolt> jelly: it's also the version that used to be fine on jessie
• 1772[16:35:18] <annadane> Kitty, you can also /msg dpkg
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• 1774[16:35:41] <Kitty> danke!
• 1775[16:35:46] <gpunk> cheking a new bios is a good idea too
• 1776[16:35:47] <bolt> jelly: not that this excludes firmware bugs, but it's at least dependent on some combination
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• 1779[16:36:20] <roswell> cruncher, and what does ! mean
• 1780[16:36:43] <jelly> tdn: can you stop the 9.4 one manually first
• 1781[16:36:52] <ilmaisin> replaced-url
• 1782[16:36:56] <cruncher> invalid hash
• 1783[16:36:57] <ilmaisin> so i made the bug report
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• 1787[16:37:14] <ilmaisin> sorry i was little too frustrated today a while ago
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• 1789[16:37:26] <tdn> jelly, before running pg_upgradecluster?
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• 1791[16:37:38] <ilmaisin> still wondering why and when gnome's keyboard layout settings propagate to console
• 1792[16:37:40] <jelly> tdn: yes, and verify it's stopped
• 1793[16:37:53] <tdn> jelly, I have my datadir on a separate disk for 9.4. Do I need to change the config for 9.6 in order to reflect this before doing the pg_upgradecluster?
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• 1796[16:38:02] <cruncher> (which * indicates as well)
• 1797[16:38:06] <cruncher> roswell, ^
• 1798[16:38:19] <jelly> tdn: also: I'd advise running all the pg_ commands as use postgres
• 1799[16:38:24] <jelly> not root
• 1800[16:38:33] <jelly> I have no idea what happens when you run them as root
• 1801[16:38:43] <cruncher> but beware that with * you could still login with public key auth
• 1802[16:39:07] <tdn> jelly, good point
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• 1837[16:56:49] <maxcell_> cruncher, hey ^^ i was lunch
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• 1846[17:01:11] <maxcell_> guys, i'm having "slow downs" almost like frozen for 20sec. randomly. I thought it has something to do with the Cache i use to watch movies/series in Stremio/mpv. But it didn't apparently.
• 1847[17:01:34] <jhutchins_wk> maxcell_: Is your system swapping?
• 1848[17:01:45] <maxcell_> jhutchins_wk, what you mean swapping?
• 1849[17:02:12] <cruncher> maxcell_, when, only watching videos?
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• 1857[17:03:32] <maxcell_> cruncher, thats the thing, i thought it was but, while i was here on IRC talking about roots password with Stremio open and the Movie on PAUSE. It slows down for 20sec e i thought it would crash but didn't. I'm running Stremio from the terminal and i have no errors after the slow down... so idk what could be
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• 1861[17:04:25] <cruncher> maxcell_, do you have a ssd? and jhutchins_wk asked if your system is swapping
• 1862[17:04:53] <maxcell_> idk what system swapping mean, whats it? i have an SSD
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• 1864[17:04:55] <`Kevin> maxcell_: pastebin the output of: free -m && vmstat 2 5
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• 1867[17:06:02] <maxcell_> replaced-url
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• 1869[17:06:30] <`Kevin> so not swap :)
• 1870[17:06:34] <cruncher> maxcell_, its a laptop? you have only 1 ssd?
• 1871[17:06:44] <maxcell_> cruncher, no its a regular PC
• 1872[17:06:49] <maxcell_> cruncher, i have SSD and HD
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• 1875[17:07:15] <maxcell_> cruncher, part of HD is mounted only for store games in /mnt/Games. the "/" itself along with the system is on an SSD partition
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• 1877[17:07:51] <maxcell_> cruncher, swap is on SSD as well
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• 1879[17:08:26] <cruncher> maxcell_, what say "cat /sys/block/sdX/queue/scheduler" (change the X on sdX with your ssd device)
• 1880[17:08:45] <maxcell_> ok
• 1881[17:09:10] <maxcell_> cruncher, denis@debian:~$ sudo cat /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler
• 1882[17:09:10] <maxcell_> noop deadline [cfq]
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• 1884[17:09:34] <cruncher> if you are sure sdb is your ssd, then do a "echo deadline > /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler" as root
• 1885[17:09:44] <valtteri> Hi!
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• 1888[17:09:56] <maxcell_> cruncher, ok
• 1889[17:10:08] <gpunk> valtteri: hi , what linux distro are you testing?
• 1890[17:10:13] <maxcell_> cruncher, done
• 1891[17:10:19] <cruncher> maxcell_, but are you sure its sdb? if you say the hd is for games, it would make more sense its sda
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• 1893[17:10:29] <cruncher> except you didnt "mix" the order
• 1894[17:10:46] <cruncher> (i mean, did mix). Ok, so now wait for freezes :)
• 1895[17:10:46] <maxcell_> cruncher, its sdb... sda is the normal HD
• 1896[17:11:02] <maxcell_> cruncher, what this command do?
• 1897[17:11:28] <cruncher> it sets the io scheduler for the ssd
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• 1899[17:11:29] <maxcell_> cruncher, it may take a while to freeze again
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• 1901[17:11:47] <maxcell_> hm
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• 1903[17:11:50] <cruncher> the cfq scheduler isnt suited well for ssds
• 1904[17:12:11] <valtteri> gpunk: xubuntu
• 1905[17:12:11] <cruncher> and causes freezes.. probably like yours
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• 1909[17:12:30] <maxcell_> cruncher, root@debian:/home/denis# cat /sys/block/sdb/queue/scheduler
• 1910[17:12:30] <maxcell_> noop [deadline] cfq
• 1911[17:12:50] <maxcell_> cruncher, after doing echo deadline > didn't change the output of cat
• 1912[17:12:55] <maxcell_> normal?
• 1913[17:13:19] <maxcell_> let me paste
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• 1915[17:13:22] <cruncher> maxcell_, yes, you checked the value right now with cat again
• 1916[17:13:37] <maxcell_> i thought the value would change
• 1917[17:13:39] <cruncher> and its on deadline now, which means the echo command was successful
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• 1921[17:13:55] <maxcell_> hmmm get it
• 1922[17:14:03] <maxcell_> hmmmm
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• 1924[17:14:14] <maxcell_> cruncher, how do i make it default?
• 1925[17:14:16] <maxcell_> when reboot
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• 1932[17:16:11] <cruncher> best is to use a udev rule. Whats the output of "for f in /sys/block/sd?/queue/rotational; do printf "$f is "; cat $f; done" (its all 1 line)
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• 1934[17:17:21] <maxcell_> is 1 - 0 - 1 respectivly
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• 1936[17:17:42] <cruncher> i have no clue what you just said.. please paste
• 1937[17:17:43] <maxcell_> replaced-url
• 1938[17:18:36] <maxcell_> omg
• 1939[17:18:40] <maxcell_> i didn't change the SD
• 1940[17:18:41] <maxcell_> sorr
• 1941[17:19:01] <maxcell_> replaced-url
• 1942[17:19:02] <maxcell_> its 0
• 1943[17:19:29] <cruncher> maxcell_, no, you didnt have to change the sd, i wanted to see with "sd?" this time.. all good
• 1944[17:19:47] <maxcell_> oh ok
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• 1946[17:20:43] <cruncher> maxcell_, now follow the udev section of replaced-url
• 1947[17:21:19] <cruncher> its nicely written there. Then it should be good for boots, changes in the names of sdX, and if you add hds/ssds later on
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• 1949[17:22:18] <maxcell_> ok i will try
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• 1951[17:22:28] <maxcell_> and i saw, you wanna know if sdb was really the ssd :P
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• 1953[17:23:09] <cruncher> maxcell_, yep, and if sda was really a hd ;-)
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• 1958[17:24:23] <maxcell_> cruncher, it is lol
• 1959[17:24:41] <maxcell_> cruncher, hey i have sysfsutils and cpufreq running
• 1960[17:24:55] <maxcell_> cruncher, should i do that echo "block/sdX/queue/scheduler = deadline" >> /etc/sysfs.conf instead of the udev rule?
• 1961[17:25:39] <cruncher> as i see you want or prefer that.. do which you like more, despite my recommendation
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• 1963[17:26:34] <setrax> hi - can I have a pppoe connection so setup that is self aware if it drops or needs a restart
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• 1965[17:26:49] <maxcell_> i just found that easier. because i don't understand anything i'm writing into the udev rule. Look at this line ACTION=="add|change", KERNEL=="sd[a-z]", ATTR{queue/rotational}=="0", ATTR{queue/scheduler}="deadline"
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• 1967[17:27:05] <cruncher> it doesnt really matter if you are never going to have additional devices attached to your system. But otherwise...
• 1968[17:27:34] <cruncher> maxcell_, i "looked" at this line already, before recommending it to you ;-)
• 1969[17:27:51] <maxcell_> hmm understand, because udev will get all "0" results and put it to [deadline] so if i have more than one SSD in the future that would be the ideal
• 1970[17:28:35] <cruncher> you got it
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• 1975[17:30:33] <maxcell_> thanks dude
• 1976[17:30:38] <cruncher> np
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• 1986[17:35:07] <tdn> jelly, so I did the pg_dropcluster and pg_upgradecluster and it seems to have worked. I now have a 9.6 PG with my old data in it running on port 5433. So how do I now get it to run on the default port 5432 and be managed by systemd service scripts? I tried changing the port in postgresql.conf to 5432 and then restarting PG via service postgresql restart. However that started the 9.4 version
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• 2004[17:43:31] <jhutchins_wk> ,v postgresql
• 2005[17:43:32] <judd> Package: postgresql on amd64 -- wheezy: 9.1+134wheezy4; wheezy-security: 9.1+134wheezy5; wheezy-backports: 9.4+165+deb8u2~bpo7+1; jessie: 9.4+165+deb8u2; jessie-backports: 9.6+181~bpo8+1; stretch: 9.6+181; buster: 9.6+184; sid: 9.6+184
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• 2008[17:43:57] <shtrb> tdn how did the restart went ?
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• 2010[17:44:28] <drinks2go> does dbus write alot of data somewhere?
• 2011[17:44:37] <tdn> shtrb, I stopped the new 9.6 via pg_ctlcluster. Then I went in as root and did service postgresql start.
• 2012[17:44:52] <tdn> shtrb, and it went fine. It started. However, it was the 9.4 version it started.
• 2013[17:45:04] <tdn> I did change port for 9.6 to 5432 before.
• 2014[17:45:06] <shtrb> I meant the machine restart
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• 2016[17:45:11] <tdn> shtrb, fine ! :D
• 2017[17:45:16] <shtrb> not pg :D
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• 2019[17:45:41] <shtrb> get yourself a backup plan there :)
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• 2021[17:46:51] <tdn> shtrb, I have a backup plan. Problem is just that backup takes a few days to actually recover from
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• 2023[17:47:15] <shtrb> No , I meant a backup plan as another instance that can always boot
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• 2027[17:47:57] <tdn> shtrb, sure, I have considered that but currently I cannot afford it
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• 2031[17:48:52] <shtrb> I found having a bootable usb plugged into the system that you can boot into as working in an emergency
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• 2034[17:49:07] <shtrb> had to disable secure boot for that , but it is worth it
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• 2037[17:50:56] <tdn> shtrb, I am with a low cost discount hosting provider. No option to have a USB in there :)
• 2038[17:51:20] <shtrb> dual boot ?
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• 2040[17:51:43] <shtrb> just realized it will probabaly will not be an option , sorry
• 2041[17:51:57] <tdn> shtrb, oh there is some recovery target in grub. But some of my worries is always that grub will not boot
• 2042[17:52:17] <shtrb> yeh , that is why I said not an option :)
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• 2063[18:00:37] <jelly> tdn: that's weird, did you get a line like " Configuring old cluster to use a different port (5433)... " near the end of the upgrade procedure? Pastebin the output?
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• 2089[18:09:57] <guest2> by typing /msg dpkg stretch im to get something?
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• 2094[18:11:08] <guest2> nevermind
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• 2113[18:18:25] <tdn> jelly, yes I did. Except it said (5432)
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• 2117[18:20:48] <jelly> tdn: weird. So stop it, change the config on the old cluster manually to use 5433 instead of the default, and verify the new version is using the default port
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• 2125[18:24:23] <tdn> jelly, I just did that. Configured 9.4 for 5433 and 9.6 for 5432. Then ran service postgresql stop; service postgresql start. Now only 9.4 is running. Listening on 5433.
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• 2148[18:32:46] <zicho> could anybody please help me solve a "Destination Net Unreachable" issue? i get it when I ping my public IP and my dynamic DNS, however networking outwardly works fine. i have googled it for hours and have yet to find a solution.
• 2149[18:32:50] <lobo-checo> hi there, please: I have a distribution of Linux on USB, but windwos is not ablet to format it. What have I to do to be able to use the USB again with windows?
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• 2151[18:33:55] <annadane> lobo-checo, to put a debian iso (which i assume you're asking about) on a usb in windows, try using win32diskimager
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• 2155[18:35:59] <shtrb> zicho , firewall or crazy ISP ?
• 2156[18:36:10] <shtrb> multiple routes etc
• 2157[18:36:13] <lobo-checo> annadane: hi, no, I need to format it again
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• 2159[18:36:22] <lobo-checo> it is linux on the usb now
• 2160[18:36:44] <zicho> shtrb: im not sure. probably ISP, but the thing is, everything has worked fine for me until I plugged and replugged my router a couple of days ago
• 2161[18:36:45] <lobo-checo> but windows is not able to format it again, so that I cannot use it under windows
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• 2163[18:36:58] <zicho> factory reset on router did nothing
• 2164[18:37:16] <shtrb> zicho , open any listening port on the router and try to connect to it
• 2165[18:37:22] <towo`> lobo-checo, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX count=10
• 2166[18:37:23] <shtrb> many routers swallow ICMP by default
• 2167[18:37:33] <jelly> tdn: and if you reboot?
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• 2169[18:37:54] <annadane> lobo-checo, oh, you mean it doesn't register the usb
• 2170[18:37:57] <towo`> lobo-checo, then you can create a new partition-table with windows disc manager
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• 2172[18:38:40] <shtrb> zicho , also take a good look who give you that response
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• 2175[18:39:42] <shtrb> sometimes such failure can mean that the client fail to identify default gw (client problem) and not server problem
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• 2177[18:41:35] <zicho> the response comes from a non-gateway IP
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• 2179[18:42:17] <shtrb> inside client ip network ?
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• 2182[18:42:26] <shtrb> or something after the network
• 2183[18:42:34] <lobo-checo> towo`: ist das in Windows drinne, oder muß ich das herunterladen?
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• 2185[18:42:52] <shtrb> you can be stuck on a bad VC at your ISP (client)
• 2186[18:43:04] <jelly> tdn: if it persists after reboot, show the output of "pg_lsclusters" as user postgres, and "service postgresql status"
• 2187[18:43:05] <zicho> i get response from that IP when i ping my own public IP
• 2188[18:43:32] <zicho> and I cant find that IP anywhere in my router settings so its probably an ISP-thing i guess?
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• 2190[18:43:58] <shtrb> zicho is it on the same netmask as your router ?
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• 2192[18:44:11] <shtrb> owned by your ISP ?
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• 2194[18:44:18] <shtrb> something within the route ?
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• 2196[18:45:22] <zicho> i can not find in my routes, no
• 2197[18:45:24] <shtrb> If it's private ip from a different netmask, probably your client side ISP is blocking access (bad routing / bad VC etc )
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• 2199[18:45:47] <zicho> its weird since its been working fine before, i dont know what has changed since
• 2200[18:45:49] <shtrb> from client side : mtr yourpublicip
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• 2202[18:46:13] <shtrb> will give you good info
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• 2205[18:46:58] <shtrb> or traceroute if you don't have mtr
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• 2209[18:48:17] <zicho> what am i looking for? i only get some host names and packetloss/ping info
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• 2213[18:49:59] <shtrb> perfect does the ip that blocks you is outside your ISP (if your ISP public range is 8.8.0.0/16 and you see the message arriving after the last ip with netmask 8.8.0.0)
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• 2216[18:50:59] <zicho> i dont really know how to check that
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• 2218[18:51:23] <shtrb> can you paste the output hiding your public ip ? at some paste site ?
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• 2220[18:52:14] <zicho> mtr doesnt give me any IPs at all, only hostnames
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• 2222[18:52:57] <shtrb> --show-ips but ISP usually name their machine such blabla.isp.com
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• 2230[18:55:48] <`Kevin> mtr --report --show-ips
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• 2232[18:55:52] <`Kevin> pastebin
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• 2237[18:56:44] <shtrb> mtr --report-wide --show-ips *if we like to see the data
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• 2241[18:57:42] <zicho> replaced-url
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• 2244[18:58:06] <zicho> but thats what it shows on mtr on my public IP
• 2245[18:58:16] <`Kevin> what IP are you tracing to
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• 2248[18:58:35] <zicho> my public IP
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• 2250[18:58:55] <`Kevin> which is?
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• 2252[18:59:27] <`Kevin> it looks like your ISP blocks ICMP
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• 2254[18:59:52] <zicho> it has worked fine before, only stopped working a while back when i replugged my router
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• 2256[19:00:02] <`Kevin> if you IP ends with 104.111
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• 2260[19:00:36] <zicho> it does not
• 2261[19:00:45] <`Kevin> what is it then :)
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• 2263[19:01:37] <`Kevin> its also possible you got moved to a different netblock when you plugged your router back in resulting in a different set of FW rules @ isp
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• 2265[19:02:04] <`Kevin> did your ip change?
• 2266[19:02:18] <zicho> yes
• 2267[19:02:26] <jhutchins_wk> zicho@h-155-4-135-191.NA.cust.bahnhof.se
• 2268[19:02:40] <`Kevin> jhutchins_wk: thats what i did a ping+trace to, he claims it isnt that
• 2269[19:03:00] <`Kevin> actually sorry
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• 2272[19:03:24] <`Kevin> nvm yea it was that, ISP is using weird DNS naming
• 2273[19:03:34] <shtrb> that is standard name
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• 2275[19:04:03] <zicho> so if FW rules have changed, can i get around it somehow?
• 2276[19:04:08] <zicho> or do i eed to contact my ISP
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• 2280[19:04:21] <`Kevin> shtrb: typically its in a backwards fasion wrt IP octets
• 2281[19:04:29] <`Kevin> (reversed)
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• 2284[19:05:04] <r00tobo> hi
• 2285[19:05:15] <r00tobo> a quick question
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• 2287[19:05:55] <r00tobo> is Debian going to put the patch of KDE 5.8 LTS in the stable ?
• 2288[19:06:12] <shtrb> you are aclling 5.8 stable ?
• 2289[19:06:13] <r00tobo> the current stable lts of kde is 5.8.7
• 2290[19:06:25] <jhutchins_wk> Interesting. When I ping that address, I get From 213.80.104.111 icmp_seq=1 Destination Net Unreachable
• 2291[19:06:27] <shtrb> oftc #debian-kde
• 2292[19:06:28] <r00tobo> and the current in stable repo is 5.8.6
• 2293[19:06:34] <`Kevin> zicho: we dont have enough information to 100% say yes but thtas the direction im leaning
• 2294[19:06:41] <jhutchins_wk> zicho: I would contact your ISP.
• 2295[19:06:51] <`Kevin> jhutchins_wk: yea his ISP is sending back ICMP unreach :|
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• 2299[19:07:14] <zicho> alright then. thank you
• 2300[19:07:18] <`Kevin> zicho: but goodluck getting them to listen .. maybe
• 2301[19:07:28] <zicho> well one can always hope
• 2302[19:07:51] <jelly> r00tobo: debian has not applied new upstream versions of software to stable unless upstream could guarantee 100% ABI compatibility
• 2303[19:08:02] <zicho> thing is i cant access my network from anywhere outside of my local network, which is quite sucky
• 2304[19:08:06] <shtrb> zicho , you can try disconnecting your router from the wall , waiting for a release (I think it was 30 minutes on adsl) and new attempt
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• 2307[19:08:08] <jhutchins_wk> It's not too unusual for a network interface to have more than one address, but there might be other things going on here.
• 2308[19:08:27] <zicho> shtrb: yea i did that, to no avail
• 2309[19:08:30] <jelly> r00tobo: I don't think KDE provides that guarantee, so it's not likely you're going to see 5.8.7 in stretch
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• 2311[19:08:46] <zicho> oh wait, 30 minutes? i only wqited for like a minute
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• 2313[19:08:57] <zicho> might give it a shot then
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• 2317[19:09:09] <jhutchins_wk> zicho: I'd contact them.
• 2318[19:09:13] <shtrb> yes , I think that was the VC timeout (when the switch assume the line is dead )
• 2319[19:09:35] <jhutchins_wk> zicho: If the only problem is that you can't ping, you probably won't get anything from them, but if there's a functional problem they can at least explain it.
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• 2321[19:09:56] <shtrb> zicho , can you access any local port ?
• 2322[19:10:01] <jhutchins_wk> shtrb: That's something the ISP can configure.
• 2323[19:10:07] <shtrb> I know
• 2324[19:10:31] <shtrb> jhutchins_wk, I know , but the disconnection (removal from table is automatic)
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• 2327[19:11:03] <shtrb> zicho , some ISP now charge for p/w and non natted ips (Carrier Grade nat ) so your ISP can be one of that ones
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• 2329[19:11:10] <shtrb> *p/f
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• 2334[19:12:00] <zicho> yeah locally things seem to work as intened, i can acces my web server and such
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• 2339[19:12:28] <shtrb> can someone else access your local web server (using port forwardin / or dmz or what ever) ?
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• 2341[19:12:45] <shtrb> maybe it is not only ICMP being cut
• 2342[19:13:10] <r00tobo> thanks jelly <2
• 2343[19:13:11] <r00tobo> ♥
• 2344[19:13:11] <zicho> hm, i havent tried
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• 2348[19:13:51] <zicho> but actually i thunk my ISP may be able to fix this if i explain to them, I dont think there is anything which i have not already tried that will get this working
• 2349[19:14:18] <shtrb> any default on firewall on the router ?
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• 2351[19:14:22] <zicho> no
• 2352[19:14:42] <shtrb> plugging your laptop to your isp line (adsl/vdsl/fiber optics etc)
• 2353[19:15:23] <shtrb> ok , no easy way for vdsl on debian (if that is what you hve)
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• 2366[19:20:19] <jelly> zicho: this honestly does not sound like a Debian issue at all, more like something for ##networking channel
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• 2371[19:21:39] <shtrb> any ideas of a vdsl client in debian ?
• 2372[19:21:48] <shtrb> I got interested in his issue to try to debug
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• 2375[19:22:25] <shtrb> it's not just ppoe you need to setup some extra stuff
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• 2377[19:23:22] <shtrb> *ppoa
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• 2384[19:28:34] <zicho> jelly: yeah, i think so too
• 2385[19:28:48] <zicho> and i think i need to resolve it with my ISP
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• 2395[19:32:32] <fartface> I'm having a weird issue trying to SSH into a box. I keep getting the "ECDSA host key for <host> has changed" and it's saying possible dns spoofing detected. I've completely removed my ~/.ssh/known_hosts file, and this _still_ comes up, saying the offending line is ~/.ssh/known_hosts:1. What the hell?
• 2396[19:33:02] <fartface> How can I track down where it's pulling known hosts from?
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• 2399[19:35:18] <jelly> fartface: which ssh client version is this
• 2400[19:35:29] <digdilem> guessing but check /root/.ssh as well as your login user and all others. "locate known_hosts"
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• 2403[19:36:22] <jelly> digdilem: user's ssh client will NOT check /root/.ssh unless their HOME is set to /root or other silly configuration is in place
• 2404[19:36:41] <digdilem> jelly, i know, but what is described is not a normal scenario.
• 2405[19:37:27] <digdilem> ofc, if that's generated by a client program instead of the host, then it's a local issue
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• 2407[19:38:22] <jelly> fartface: can you show the actual command you're using and its full output. Also, add -v to options and do it again.
• 2408[19:38:23] <jelly> !paste
• 2409[19:38:23] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
• 2410[19:38:25] <fartface> I'm logged in as root, so that would be the same location, even completely bombing out the file didn't do the trick
• 2411[19:38:26] <fartface> haha
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• 2413[19:39:00] <fartface> `ssh-copy-id root@<host>` and I'll paste the output, one sec
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• 2416[19:39:52] <fartface> replaced-url
• 2417[19:40:04] <jelly> fartface: instead of doing ssh-copy-id, do just "ssh root@<host>" once (after wiping entries from known_hosts), and "ssh -v root@<host>"
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• 2419[19:41:05] <fartface> jelly: Of course ssh -v works totally fine! hahaha
• 2420[19:41:07] <digdilem> last three lines of that paste tell you what to do - have you checked that .li file?
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• 2422[19:41:20] <digdilem> ah, sorted. good
• 2423[19:41:25] <fartface> digdilem: yes, I've wiped it out several times, notice it's line 1?
• 2424[19:41:34] <digdilem> 'k
• 2425[19:41:37] <fartface> I'll double check ssh-copy-id is working
• 2426[19:41:44] <BCMM> do ssh -v
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• 2429[19:41:58] <fartface> Nope, ssh-copy-id is still failing
• 2430[19:42:00] <BCMM> double check it's not a message coming from the remote server, set up as a prank or something
• 2431[19:42:18] <fartface> BCMM: remote server is fresh
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• 2434[19:43:05] <fartface> replaced-url
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• 2436[19:43:14] <fartface> So, this works, but ssh-copy-id fails
• 2437[19:43:15] <jelly> fartface: and "ssh root@<host>"?
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• 2440[19:43:32] <fartface> jelly: that works, ssh-copy-id doesn't.
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• 2442[19:43:40] <fartface> Never ran into this before, very strange
• 2443[19:44:07] <jelly> fartface: which ssh client version is this?
• 2444[19:44:24] <jelly> ah
• 2445[19:44:25] <jelly> OpenSSH_6.7p1 Debian-5+deb8u3, OpenSSL 1.0.1t 3 May 2016
• 2446[19:44:36] <jelly> ,v openssh-client
• 2447[19:44:37] <judd> Package: openssh-client on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u4; wheezy-security: 1:6.0p1-4+deb7u6; wheezy-backports: 1:6.6p1-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:6.7p1-5+deb8u3; stretch: 1:7.4p1-10+deb9u1; buster: 1:7.5p1-5; sid: 1:7.5p1-10
• 2448[19:44:38] <fartface> That's the one
• 2449[19:45:13] <jelly> fartface: what does "which ssh-copy-id" say
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• 2452[19:45:40] <fartface> It's in `/usr/bin/ssh-copy-id`
• 2453[19:46:04] <jelly> fartface: now, realize that hostname has two separate A records and IP addresses.
• 2454[19:46:24] <jelly> dig +short do-tor-w1.gdc.li
• 2455[19:46:54] <jelly> fartface: and I bet they do not have the same ECDSA host key fingerprint
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• 2459[19:47:23] <jelly> verify by logging in via IP, not the hostname
• 2460[19:47:33] <fartface> 100% that's it.
• 2461[19:47:38] <fartface> Damnit lol
• 2462[19:48:02] <fartface> I've changed the A record quite a while back, that other IP should be bombed by now, strange.
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• 2464[19:48:15] <jelly> changed, or added
• 2465[19:48:27] <fartface> Changed
• 2466[19:48:29] <jelly> sure looks like the latter
• 2467[19:48:43] <fartface> It sure does based on the dig eh?
• 2468[19:48:53] <fartface> But within cloudflare, it's only the new IP
• 2469[19:49:00] <fartface> I'll have to do some more digging
• 2470[19:49:22] <fartface> Cloudflare generally doesn't let you add duplicate records
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• 2472[19:49:50] <fartface> ...and yet here we are, duplicate records within cloudflare hahaha
• 2473[19:49:52] <fartface> Damnit!
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• 2475[19:50:18] <jelly> ;; Received 77 bytes from 173.245.58.64#53(amber.ns.cloudflare.com) in 19 ms # returns two A records as result
• 2476[19:50:31] <fartface> 100%
• 2477[19:50:38] <jelly> !next
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• 2487[19:52:43] <setrax> can I map a pppoe-client created ppp0 directly to a virtual bridge so that it is invisible to my computer
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• 2489[19:53:17] <setrax> but the connection is alive and useable if I plug in a virtual network cable
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• 2491[19:53:41] <fartface> Thank you!
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• 2535[20:15:33] <mmm4m5m> !next
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• 2539[20:17:01] <Boodie> Hi (stretch); I have a problem with aptitude. I performed a dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections from an old PC, that conveniently then died (luckily all backups done, etc). Now, aptitude claims that there are 180 packages broken (out of ~ 4000). It hangs when trying to install / remove packages. Interestingly it claims that pidgin is broken. I tried synaptic, which showed pidgin as not installed. I installed it no pr
• 2540[20:17:01] <Boodie> I am using it ... could the problem be a lock file somewhere in /var? apt-get update & upgrade isay 0 packages upgraded
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• 2544[20:18:21] <annadane> Boodie, wasn't this already answered
• 2545[20:18:26] <annadane> we recommended doing a reinstall
• 2546[20:18:33] <mr__tea> do it!
• 2547[20:18:51] <annadane> assuming you can get your files backed up; if you can't then it's more of a reason for fixing the problem
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• 2549[20:19:02] <Boodie> Well, I would like to avoid reinstalling ... if anything maybe reinstall aptitude ...
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• 2552[20:19:47] <Boodie> Given that I am not too keen on reinstalling 3000 packages by hand
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• 2554[20:20:16] <n4dir> Boodie: you said you got the get-selections list? You can reinstall all in one command, i think
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• 2556[20:20:48] <RoyK> Boodie: dpkg --get-selections
• 2557[20:21:12] <Boodie> Well this is what caused all this misery ... dpkg --get-selections / --set-selections precisely
• 2558[20:21:34] <annadane> but how many of those 3000 packages do you actually need, i guess is my question
• 2559[20:21:44] <annadane> but it's up to you, not to be pushy
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• 2561[20:22:01] <annadane> maybe i should shut up
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• 2564[20:22:25] <n4dir> annadane: yeah, that too. and probably the bigger part are dependencies and libraries and such. No need to run 3000 commands.
• 2565[20:22:41] <n4dir> and if you miss one: well, you probably don't need it then ...
• 2566[20:22:46] <Boodie> The answer is I don't know ... I hoped in a smooth process
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• 2568[20:22:51] <annadane> well, i was thinking of that and i wondered how many were dependencies and then decided 3000 was rather a lot
• 2569[20:23:06] <RoyK> or perhaps - next time you reinstall, use ansible ;)
• 2570[20:23:42] <RoyK> a generic playbook for your preferences and one for each server class
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• 2572[20:24:01] <n4dir> so, Boodie, you used get or set selections. If you care i can search how to recover from them. If you don't care, i will avoid the trouble to search.
• 2573[20:24:29] <Boodie> Say 45 minutes to reinstall and again hoe#w many hours to struggle with the packages? On Sunday I spent 1.5 hours to reinstall Deb9 (1st attempt failed) and the whole day with the packages
• 2574[20:25:02] <RoyK> Boodie: 2,5" 4k5rpm drive?
• 2575[20:25:04] <n4dir> Huh? 45 minutes to install?
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• 2577[20:25:22] <Boodie> SS Drive
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• 2579[20:25:33] <RoyK> sounds like a rotten SSD
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• 2582[20:25:45] <Boodie> Possibly
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• 2584[20:26:33] <Boodie> I installed the net cd with minimal stretch and then did --set-selections
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• 2587[20:27:06] <Boodie> I received 1000+ error messages, so I did all the possible attempts
• 2588[20:27:23] <Boodie> Finally it went through
• 2589[20:27:43] <n4dir> Boodie: this might or might not be of help: replaced-url
• 2590[20:27:57] <RoyK> 3k packages seems over the top, though
• 2591[20:29:01] <n4dir> I install without DE, then i install the apps when i need them. Not all in a row.
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• 2593[20:29:04] <jhutchins_wk> Boodie: My guess would be that you have version mis-matches because what you're installing from doesn't match the latest update on the failed box.
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• 2597[20:29:21] <jhutchins_wk> Boodie: Have you tried aptitude -f install?
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• 2599[20:30:01] <Boodie> jhutchins_wk: no, should I try?
• 2600[20:30:38] <Boodie> But synaptic does not show any broken package and it works no problem
• 2601[20:30:46] <tdn> jelly, ok
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• 2603[20:31:37] <RoyK> Boodie: just try apt-get -f install (or similar with aptitude).
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• 2610[20:33:31] <Boodie> replaced-url
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• 2612[20:34:24] <Boodie> It seems to me that the problem is with aptitude itself
• 2613[20:34:38] <Boodie> Which is a pity, because I like it
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• 2615[20:35:06] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: i first had to chroot, but dpkg --get-selections doesn't give versions (as far i can tell)
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• 2620[20:37:21] <tdn> jelly, I just tried to reboot. After this, service postgresql status says PG is running. pg_lsclusters says both are down: replaced-url
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• 2623[20:38:01] <tdn> jelly, well actually, the service scripts says active (exited).
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• 2627[20:39:08] <Boodie> Hi everybody, thanks for now; have to go, come back later at some point
• 2628[20:39:12] <qbit_user> Hello. I have a question, I'm running an app (torrent client but that doesn't have to do with anything) with a webui. It's accessible on both ipv4 and ipv6, but netstat only shows the ipv6 interface...haven't seen that before
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• 2630[20:39:49] <Dagger> qbit_user: if net.ipv6.bindv6only is left as its default value, then v6 sockets bound to :: can accept v4 connections too
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• 2632[20:40:23] <Dagger> ...I assume yuor question was going to be about that, at least
• 2633[20:40:29] <qbit_user> yes
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• 2635[20:40:51] <qbit_user> Hmm, ok...if I were to change that, would there be two entries?
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• 2637[20:41:07] <qbit_user> (where is that setting by the way)
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• 2640[20:41:37] <qbit_user> I mean at least that's a plausible explanation
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• 2642[20:41:58] <qbit_user> everything should be left at default settings
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• 2651[20:43:51] <`Kevin> qbit_user: sysctl
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• 2664[20:47:08] <`Kevin> qbit_user: it depends on how the application binds to a socket, technically it could choose a v4 and/or a v6 socket etc
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• 2677[20:51:12] <qbit_user> found the setting, reloaded sysctl and the webui, still happening
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• 2679[20:51:26] <qbit_user> sysctl -p reloads, correct?
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• 2681[20:51:55] <`Kevin> if using a file, otherwise just use -w for that one setting
• 2682[20:52:02] <qbit_user> I guess it can still choose to bind to v6 only even with that setting,..
• 2683[20:52:19] <`Kevin> and id expect it not to change anything related to how the application binds to a socket as that is application specific
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• 2688[20:53:38] <gnat_x> i think i am getting caught by this bug: replaced-url
• 2689[20:53:39] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 2695[20:54:36] <`Kevin> qbit_user: if you want to see a v4 socket the application's code needs modified or you have to disable v6 iirc
• 2696[20:55:20] <keensddfx> hi. can anyone help me with problem about keyboard? Keyboard shortcuts suddently stopped to work.. If it's related my computer was on sleep..
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• 2698[20:56:26] <qbit_user> it actually works fine, I was just confused as to why there was only a single entry showing up when running netstat. I guess I know why now
• 2699[20:56:41] <qbit_user> both ipv4 and ipv6 work
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• 2701[20:57:06] <annadane> keensddfx, what desktop environment/window manager are you on
• 2702[20:57:12] <keensddfx> XFCE
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• 2704[20:58:23] <qbit_user> I guess I was hoping to change it so that there'd be two entries but it doesnt matter that much
• 2705[20:58:27] <qbit_user> thanks
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• 2707[20:59:06] <keensddfx> annadane: any idea?
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• 2709[20:59:13] <annadane> afraid no
• 2710[20:59:15] <annadane> t
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• 2712[20:59:43] <keensddfx> :<
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• 2715[21:00:21] <nick231> how did you program your keyboard shortcuts? Through a GUI application or a script file?
• 2716[21:01:07] <keensddfx> you are asking me, right?
• 2717[21:01:14] <nick231> yes
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• 2719[21:01:25] <keensddfx> On keyboard settings
• 2720[21:01:39] <nick231> so a XFCE application?
• 2721[21:01:56] <keensddfx> Yes
• 2722[21:02:21] <nick231> I have a feeling that isn't set up to work with your sleep. or saving your session
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• 2726[21:03:07] <annadane> but it should work
• 2727[21:03:12] <annadane> it's weird it does that
• 2728[21:03:17] <nick231> if I was at home I could hop on xfce and troubleshoot further
• 2729[21:03:17] <kion> what is the right way to install flash plugin for chromium?
• 2730[21:03:17] <annadane> there's probably a bug about it
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• 2732[21:03:21] <nick231> but im at work
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• 2734[21:03:46] <annadane> s/bug/bug report
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• 2736[21:03:49] <drinks2go> hmm xfce keybinding are in the window manager option keensddfx
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• 2738[21:04:00] <keensddfx> drinks2go: i dont understand
• 2739[21:04:15] <drinks2go> from ssh: xfce4-settings-manager &
• 2740[21:04:18] <drinks2go> if you are on xfce
• 2741[21:04:30] <qbit_user> also another thing I noticed... I recently upgraded from Debian 8 jessie to 9.1 stretch... oddly enough lsb_release -a says the release number is still at 8
• 2742[21:04:31] <keensddfx> what about it?
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• 2746[21:04:52] <qbit_user> description and codename changed fine
• 2747[21:04:54] <drinks2go> ... keyboard shorcuts stopped workiing
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• 2749[21:05:11] <drinks2go> so do from cli: xfce4-settings-manager &
• 2750[21:05:12] <keensddfx> drinks2go: what is your solution/suggestion? I don't understand you
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• 2752[21:05:20] <drinks2go> have a look at what the keybindings are
• 2753[21:05:23] <drinks2go> ....
• 2754[21:05:36] <drinks2go> is empty? can reset to defaults
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• 2756[21:05:39] <keensddfx> Is keyboard suppose to be grayout?
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• 2759[21:06:03] <drinks2go> well I suspect your problem is not with keybindings... :L
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• 2761[21:06:11] <keensddfx> is it?
• 2762[21:06:13] <drinks2go> is this a laptop
• 2763[21:06:16] <keensddfx> yes
• 2764[21:06:21] <keensddfx> and i am connecting an external keyboard
• 2765[21:06:21] <drinks2go> :/
• 2766[21:06:32] <keensddfx> why?
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• 2768[21:06:54] <drinks2go> wait
• 2769[21:07:01] <drinks2go> which keyboard doesnt work?
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• 2771[21:07:15] <drinks2go> external or onboard? or both? external is because onboard isn't working?
• 2772[21:07:16] <keensddfx> both
• 2773[21:07:22] <drinks2go> :o
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• 2775[21:07:51] <keensddfx> they are working but they are not doing what i am expecting them to do like ctrl+shift+t just ignored the shift
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• 2785[21:09:48] <drinks2go> keensddfx
• 2786[21:09:56] <drinks2go> yeah seems it's a bug
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• 2788[21:10:07] <drinks2go> maybe you can try
• 2789[21:10:46] <keensddfx> how do you know??
• 2790[21:11:04] <drinks2go> because
• 2791[21:11:06] <drinks2go> replaced-url
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• 2794[21:11:42] <keensddfx> cant see anything there
• 2795[21:11:54] <keensddfx> ffffffff
• 2796[21:12:05] <keensddfx> this is so annoying. why is this happening? how can i fix it?
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• 2803[21:13:45] <drinks2go> k keensddfx one second
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• 2806[21:14:18] <keensddfx> i wish there was an undo button :(
• 2807[21:14:28] <drinks2go> were you changing keymaps?
• 2808[21:14:39] <kion> How do I install flashplugin-nonfree on Stretch?
• 2809[21:14:41] <keensddfx> i added another language..
• 2810[21:14:46] <drinks2go> hmm
• 2811[21:14:49] <keensddfx> if that's what you mean
• 2812[21:14:54] <keensddfx> I mean
• 2813[21:14:55] <drinks2go> can you try to remove maybe and see if that fixes it?
• 2814[21:15:05] <drinks2go> just for temporary, then we know the culprit
• 2815[21:15:07] <keensddfx> is there a solution withhout restart?
• 2816[21:15:14] <keensddfx> or logout?
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• 2819[21:15:38] <drinks2go> err I Think you can sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales from command line
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• 2821[21:15:51] <keensddfx> ping
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• 2825[21:16:04] <drinks2go> then deselect the freshly installed language pack using spacebar
• 2826[21:16:15] <drinks2go> assuming you have a second,
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• 2828[21:16:32] <netzach> Hello
• 2829[21:16:34] <drinks2go> try a reboot and see if that doesn't fix things. if not, you can try to recreate your keymaps
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• 2831[21:16:44] <keensddfx> i can't reboot :<
• 2832[21:16:44] <netzach> is zfs ever going to be fixed on latest debian stable?
• 2833[21:16:52] <keensddfx> a lot of programs running
• 2834[21:16:55] <drinks2go> keensddfx no mouse even???:
• 2835[21:16:59] <keensddfx> I have mouse!
• 2836[21:17:06] <drinks2go> this sounds like some kind of hardware issue lol.
• 2837[21:17:11] <keensddfx> its not
• 2838[21:17:20] <`Kevin> netzach: as mentioned weeks ago works for me, you have the same issue?
• 2839[21:17:36] <keensddfx> plz if you don't know how to solve then don't because it can ruin
• 2840[21:17:39] <drinks2go> just copy and paste the word reboot from irc keensddfx
• 2841[21:17:53] <drinks2go> it will not ruin anything. dkpg reconfigure will let you remove the language.
• 2842[21:18:10] <keensddfx> i dont understand you
• 2843[21:18:15] <drinks2go> basic process of elimination- you make a change to system, come back, system is broken
• 2844[21:18:23] <keensddfx> you just tell me to try random things
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• 2847[21:18:28] <drinks2go> lol
• 2848[21:18:31] <keensddfx> you are broken
• 2849[21:18:33] <drinks2go> best of luck keensddfx.
• 2850[21:18:40] <keensddfx> troll gfto
• 2851[21:18:44] <drinks2go> lol
• 2852[21:18:50] <keensddfx> :P
• 2853[21:18:58] <maxcell_> keensddfx,
• 2854[21:19:00] <maxcell_> nvm
• 2855[21:19:05] <drinks2go> lol
• 2856[21:19:07] <maxcell_> lol
• 2857[21:19:10] <drinks2go> yep.
• 2858[21:19:16] <keensddfx> maxcell_: what is it?
• 2859[21:19:22] <maxcell_> nvm
• 2860[21:19:33] <keensddfx> O_o
• 2861[21:19:36] <drinks2go> yeah man don't come bad mouth me, I'm trying to help you
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• 2863[21:19:52] <drinks2go> I could do other things with my time. Uninstall the new language
• 2864[21:20:18] <drinks2go> when you come to support irc and talk like that you will find, people won't help you.
• 2865[21:20:18] <keensddfx> go ahead. i am not going to unistall and remove anything because someone just say it's what will fix it lol
• 2866[21:20:24] <maxcell_> apt-get remove keensddfx
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• 2868[21:20:32] <keensddfx> sure like you know how to solve it
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• 2870[21:20:47] <drinks2go> dpkg-reconfigure will let you reconfigure locales, you can then unselect the language you installed with spacebar
• 2871[21:20:57] <`Kevin> keensddfx: i dont think he said it will fix it, but it may otherwise it could help lead in a direction to solve it
• 2872[21:21:27] <drinks2go> process of elimination, he says he just installed a new language. xfce forums has some posts about this being related to a number of things, sleep, languages being installed etc.
• 2873[21:21:37] <keensddfx> `Kevin: with all the respect he said my system is broken. so i doubt. if and only if he is right then debian is broken then
• 2874[21:21:46] <keensddfx> 'cause im using debian
• 2875[21:21:50] <drinks2go> !offtopic
• 2876[21:21:51] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
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• 2878[21:22:45] <keensddfx> look at what he said it's not making any sense
• 2879[21:22:46] <keensddfx> [22:17] <drinks2go> just copy and paste the word reboot from irc keensddfx
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• 2882[21:23:28] <drinks2go> ... you say you don't have any input but a mouse smartass
• 2883[21:23:45] <drinks2go> ah man, you're on your own, read your chat logs, I believe your solution is in front of you
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• 2885[21:24:29] <keensddfx> we had problem with communication
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• 2887[21:24:50] <maxcell_> can i please do apt-get remove joke again?
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• 2890[21:26:24] <keensddfx> replaced-url
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• 2894[21:29:39] <Henry151> hi #debian
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• 2896[21:30:17] <keensddfx> hi Henry151
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• 2900[21:31:08] <Henry151> I am trying to follow directions here: replaced-url
• 2901[21:31:17] <maxcell_> apt-get install --reinstall keensddfx
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• 2904[21:31:29] <shtrb> no ppa for debian
• 2905[21:31:47] <Henry151> ok
• 2906[21:31:51] <Henry151> that's what I had heard
• 2907[21:32:05] <shtrb> you are searching for #ubuntu
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• 2910[21:32:34] <maxcell_> keensddfx, don't ctcp version me
• 2911[21:32:47] <maxcell_> lol
• 2912[21:32:52] <jhutchins_wk> maxcell_: You're on IRC.
• 2913[21:33:01] <keensddfx> maxcell_: i see you have problems
• 2914[21:33:02] <maxcell_> jhutchins_wk, i'm just kiding with him
• 2915[21:33:15] <keensddfx> don't "kidding" with me.
• 2916[21:33:22] <maxcell_> keensddfx, don't be mad
• 2917[21:33:55] <Henry151> i don't want to use ubuntu, i'm running debian. I'm just trying to understand if the "no ppa in debian" thing is a hard-and-fast rule that can't be broken, or if I might be wiser to use the PPA in some circumstances, like this one
• 2918[21:34:40] <Henry151> oh
• 2919[21:34:42] <Henry151> nvrmind
• 2920[21:34:43] <Henry151> i get it
• 2921[21:34:46] <Henry151> there's no ppa in debian
• 2922[21:34:48] <Henry151> ciao
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• 2925[21:34:49] <shtrb> It's like a wasp nest, are you willing to touch a wasp nest
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• 2928[21:35:00] <keensddfx> lol
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• 2931[21:35:34] <shtrb> what ? wasp nest is not a good comparison ? you don't touch it you burn it or don't get near it
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• 2956[21:45:41] <keensddfx> i fixed it :D
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• 2968[21:50:50] <netzach> `Kevin: you don't have a make config error? Have you tried to install it on a fresh install? without manually installing spl first, and linux-headers and other stuff?
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• 2970[21:51:34] <`Kevin> netzach: yes but i just set spl to install first in apt-get
• 2971[21:52:02] <`Kevin> if its a huge problem contact the maintainer to get a fix in :)
• 2972[21:52:15] <netzach> :(
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• 2974[21:52:25] <netzach> so that means it doesn't work you just have a workaround
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• 2976[21:53:31] <`Kevin> i dont think of it as that broken
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• 2978[21:53:48] <netzach> so you think that apt-get a package if it fails it's not broken?
• 2979[21:54:18] <`Kevin> sure its broken but a workaround exists, so its not that big of a deal for me personally.
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• 2982[21:54:34] <`Kevin> if you have some automated stuff that requires zfs on a larger scale then sure thats a problem
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• 2985[21:55:01] <`Kevin> also its likely a rather simple fix by the maintainer if you reachout
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• 2987[21:55:34] <netzach> I am not sure it's only that, from what I've read online spl itself when it's installed some files aren't copied correctly
• 2988[21:55:42] <netzach> at least that's what it's writteon on the zfs on linux github
• 2989[21:56:00] <`Kevin> ZoL is a separate project no?
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• 2991[21:56:20] <netzach> AFAIK zfs-dkmn is based on ZoL
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• 2994[21:57:18] <netzach> also my init.d scripts fail to start zfs for me, I cna modprobe it manualyl tho
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• 3011[22:02:42] <`Kevin> netzach: replaced-url
• 3012[22:02:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
• 3013[22:02:48] <`Kevin> yea im not seeign much activity :|
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• 3015[22:04:13] <`Kevin> netzach: perhaps followup as you are seeing it as well to make it more visible
• 3016[22:04:21] <`Kevin> there are some other bug reports there as well
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• 3018[22:04:25] <`Kevin> replaced-url
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• 3024[22:08:26] <will_> hello
• 3025[22:08:43] <will_> i'm trying to solve a pip install -r requirements.txt issue
• 3026[22:09:01] *** debhelper sets mode: +l 1672
• 3027[22:09:13] <will_> saw something on SO that helped tons of other apparently; installing: libmysqlclient-dev
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• 3029[22:09:32] <will_> i attempted to install it but I guess its not available for the latest version of Debian?
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• 3031[22:09:45] <will_> I can see it listed for jessie, after a google search
• 3032[22:09:55] <will_> is it safe to downloa the debian file and install manually
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• 3040[22:13:30] <Paul--> hello
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• 3042[22:14:44] <acagastyaQUASSEL> How do I set up custom keyboard shortcut to run an executable file?
• 3043[22:14:53] <Paul--> I prepared a usb key with unetbooting, to install deb9
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• 3045[22:15:50] <Paul--> it go , but with unetbooting it's possible to have only one linux .iso
• 3046[22:16:49] <Paul--> !help
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• 3049[22:19:38] <Paul--> How make a bootable usb-memory with many .iso images ?
• 3050[22:19:55] <coruja> acagastyaQUASSEL, depends on desktop environment/window manager
• 3051[22:20:09] <coruja> Paul--, forget unetbootin
• 3052[22:20:10] <acagastyaQUASSEL> GNOME.
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• 3054[22:20:46] <Paul--> coruja, do u mean use the classic dd ?
• 3055[22:21:05] <coruja> or cp, see installation manual
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• 3057[22:21:31] <Paul--> I'm installing deb9 on a old netbook with unetbootin
• 3058[22:22:00] <Paul--> and to make a multi-iso bootable key with many linux versions ?
• 3059[22:23:02] <towo`> don't use unetbotin
• 3060[22:23:10] <towo`> +o
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• 3062[22:23:41] <Paul--> unebooting make a bootable key with only ONE .iso image
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• 3064[22:24:07] <towo`> and it make it wrong for debian iso
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• 3069[22:25:34] <annadane> !unetbootin
• 3070[22:25:34] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
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• 3073[22:26:10] <Blok> Hello, I have a Supermicro board affected by the Intel avr54 bug. The problem I have is that I cannot check the stepping of the CPU. cpuinfo, dmidecode and cpuid all give me 8 as stepping which is not valid. Any ideas?
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• 3076[22:29:25] <eventhorizon> Blok: the stepping is what the kernel is reporting. What kernel are you running? (uname -a)
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• 3078[22:30:42] <Blok> eventhorizon: 4.9.0-3-amd64 Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u2
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• 3086[22:33:15] <eventhorizon> Blok: I'd try to install 4.11 from backports, and see if it changes. The kernel changelogs might say if any updated ones report a fix for that cpu
• 3087[22:33:16] <tw> are you running cpuid inside a VM?
• 3088[22:33:31] <tw> or hypervisor of any kind.
• 3089[22:33:48] <Blok> tw: No.
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• 3091[22:34:32] <Blok> Reading replaced-url
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• 3093[22:35:15] <Paul--> I'm looking from a sysinstall for multi-booting
• 3094[22:35:39] <tw> Blok: on page 12, 0h = A0/A1, 8h = B0
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• 3096[22:35:49] <tw> so you're getting exactly what you expect?
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• 3099[22:36:23] <netzach> `Kevin: from the looks of it , since there is no reply, it won't be fixed?
• 3100[22:36:48] <`Kevin> likely not unless other people start posting in that thread
• 3101[22:36:54] <Blok> tw: Yes, sort of. My stepping is supposed to be C0, but that seems to refer to the SoC.
• 3102[22:37:11] <netzach> `Kevin: how do I post?
• 3103[22:37:15] <netzach> can you post on my part please?
• 3104[22:37:34] <Paul--> this is the soluton : # cp debian.iso /dev/sdX
• 3105[22:37:58] <Paul--> so need a entere key
• 3106[22:38:19] <`Kevin> netzach: there is a reply button on top left which is a mailto: just comment that you are running into this same bug
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• 3110[22:38:30] <netzach> `Kevin: but I have to use my email?
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• 3114[22:40:50] <blackflow> Blok: isn't avr54 about degrading clock leading to completely bricked C2000 based SoCs ?
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• 3116[22:41:22] <Blok> blackflow: yes!
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• 3118[22:41:42] <Blok> blackflow: c2000 avr54
• 3119[22:42:00] <blackflow> Blok: not something you can fix with software, right?
• 3120[22:42:05] <netzach> `Kevin: it doesn't work
• 3121[22:42:10] <netzach> I tried to reply, nothing happened
• 3122[22:42:15] <netzach> I mean I wrote an email but it didn't work
• 3123[22:42:29] <Blok> blackflow: nope
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• 3128[22:44:05] <blackflow> Blok: sounds like RMA time :)
• 3129[22:44:18] <tw> Blok: intel didn't change the software readable stepping ID between B0 and C0.
• 3130[22:44:40] <tw> table 9.
• 3131[22:45:07] <tw> so your options are scrape off the thermal paste and read the sspec number or just leave it be.
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• 3134[22:45:40] <Blok> blackflow & tw: Some context. I got boards back from RMA, but I need to verify that the SoC is changed.
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• 3138[22:48:03] <Blok> tw: what about MSR 0x17
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• 3147[22:52:06] <AndChat182964> xterm -hold -e rlwrap sbcl
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• 3149[22:52:11] <AndChat182964> What does this mean
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• 3154[22:54:15] <kriech0r> evening
• 3155[22:54:42] <kriech0r> i'm going crazy with disk hibernation and mdadm
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• 3157[22:54:55] <Paul--> ok, installation finish , all OK. debian 9 now run on a atom2600
• 3158[22:54:57] <Paul--> good
• 3159[22:55:01] <Paul--> xfce
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• 3165[22:58:29] <Paul--> debian 9 by default don't install ifconfig ?
• 3166[22:58:34] <Paul--> very strange
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• 3168[22:58:47] <greycat> correct
• 3169[22:58:55] <greycat> you can install the net-tools package to get it
• 3170[22:59:11] <AndChat182964> What's xterm
• 3171[22:59:19] <greycat> A terminal emulator for X.
• 3172[22:59:25] <greycat> One of the most common ones.
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• 3178[23:00:31] <greycat> xterm is the de facto baseline that all the other X terminal emulators are compared against. The vanilla terminal.
• 3179[23:00:42] <kriech0r> anyone an idea: i have a md raid1, pure storage which is being woken every 20 - 30 minutes
• 3180[23:01:08] <AndChat182964> What's difference between terminal and terminal emulator
• 3181[23:01:20] <kriech0r> in my eyes iotop does not show a process doing anything with it
• 3182[23:01:25] <AndChat182964> I have prompt which I call terminal
• 3183[23:01:52] <AndChat182964> A black screen with prompt
• 3184[23:02:01] <greycat> A real terminal is a physical device, consisting of a small cathode ray monitor (usually monochrome), a keyboard, and a serial port interface.
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• 3186[23:02:13] <greycat> A terminal emulator is a program that gives you a rectangular area for text.
• 3187[23:02:21] <AndChat182964> Forget about real terminal in this context
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• 3189[23:02:44] <greycat> Most people in this channel have probably never used an actual terminal.
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• 3191[23:03:17] <AndChat182964> Why
• 3192[23:03:25] <AndChat182964> Actual=real?
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• 3194[23:03:43] <babilen> Let's get physical ...
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• 3196[23:04:24] <zuiss1> the lxqt package in debian comes with smtube and a popup window on every start of the application shows an annoying popup telling you to update the youtube code, which you can't do since it's set at a certain version in debian
• 3197[23:04:25] <greycat> If you are not running X, then you are probably interfacing with the Linux console, also known as the Linux virtual terminal, which is a terminal emulator built into the Linux kernel.
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• 3204[23:07:22] <tw> Blok: Sounds right.
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• 3206[23:07:37] <AndChat182964> Oh I see greycat
• 3207[23:07:47] <AndChat182964> Do all people here use x?
• 3208[23:07:50] <AndChat182964> Or most?
• 3209[23:07:55] <greycat> Most, probably.
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• 3211[23:08:07] <AndChat182964> X is equivalent to Linux virtual terminal?
• 3212[23:08:14] <greycat> !x
• 3213[23:08:17] <greycat> crap.
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• 3215[23:08:56] <AndChat182964> Whatever we can do in Linux console can be done in x too?
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• 3218[23:09:15] <tw> Not practically speaking, no.
• 3219[23:09:15] <greycat> Man, is there NOT a bot trigger to explain what X is?!
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• 3223[23:09:51] <tw> !pulseaudio
• 3224[23:09:52] <dpkg> PulseAudio (formerly Polypaudio) is a cross-platform network sound server, intended as a drop-in replacement for <ESD>. Packaged for Debian since 4.0 "Etch", read /usr/share/doc/pulseaudio/README.Debian after installation for configuration recommendations; Debian specific how-to is at replaced-url
• 3225[23:09:58] <Blok> tw: IA32_PLATFORM_ID = b001
• 3226[23:09:58] <tw> Hmmm.
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• 3228[23:10:29] <greycat> The X Window System, or "X", or "X11", is a graphical windowing system for Unix and Unix-like computers (including Debian).
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• 3230[23:11:07] <greycat> replaced-url
• 3231[23:11:52] <tw> Blok: so it's A1.
• 3232[23:12:26] <tw> Well, this table doesn't actually say how to decode it.
• 3233[23:12:40] <tw> I make too many assumptions telling you that.
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• 3238[23:13:27] <Blok> tw: so best bet is reading CUNI
• 3239[23:13:46] <Blok> tw: CUNIT_CFG_REG_CLASSCODE bios reg, but how?
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• 3243[23:16:01] <Paul--> names of interface are changed ?
• 3244[23:16:11] <Paul--> eth0 , wlan0 are different now
• 3245[23:16:31] <drinks2go> in stretch yes Paul
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• 3248[23:16:59] <Paul--> why change name of historical interfaces ?
• 3249[23:17:47] <ChmEarl> Paul--, its a feature not a bug. Idea came from a Dell Engineer that wanted interface names to reflect their parent controller
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• 3251[23:18:21] <ChmEarl> Paul--, but I hate the idea
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• 3254[23:18:38] <Paul--> ChmEarl, Dell Engineer are debian developers ?
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• 3256[23:18:50] <drinks2go> open source developers usually have jobs?
• 3257[23:18:53] <drinks2go> :P
• 3258[23:19:09] <Paul--> yes...
• 3259[23:19:38] <Paul--> the name's interface are in the kernel
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• 3263[23:20:15] <Paul--> Dell sponsorized deb9 ?
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• 3266[23:20:59] <drinks2go> Paul-- ??
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• 3268[23:21:17] <Paul--> Dell Engineer
• 3269[23:21:22] <Paul--> incredible
• 3270[23:21:31] <`Kevin> Paul--: opensource contributors are from all over the word from basements to corporations
• 3271[23:21:38] <`Kevin> :P
• 3272[23:22:00] <drinks2go> hp was just featured as a sponsor fwiw, I guess that's probably no surprise.
• 3273[23:22:17] <drinks2go> partner, sorry.
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• 3277[23:24:45] <clemens3> i am on devuan jessie and i still have eth0.. and i like it that way. on my mac it is en0, that is stil fine by me too
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• 3280[23:26:03] <drinks2go> #debian, I have a script I'm using to bind mount directories to tmpfs to ease wear on eMMC. I'd like to know how I can find out where most of this I/O is occuring so that I can bind mount those directories... anyone want to take a stab at that?
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• 3282[23:26:46] <drinks2go> I have /var/log and /var/tmp for now, but surely there must be more from the desktop environment somewhere?
• 3283[23:26:54] <Paul--> have debian a LTS release as ubuntu or no ? All versions are the same as support ?
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• 3285[23:27:24] <drinks2go> replaced-url
• 3286[23:27:51] <`Kevin> drinks2go: browsers often have a lot of cache dirs, otherwise take a look at iotop and try to break it down from a per process level and go from there
• 3287[23:28:07] <drinks2go> oh thanks `Kevin, forgot about iotop... derp!
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• 3289[23:28:22] <Paul--> so LTS concept was introduced from deb 6 ?
• 3290[23:28:48] <drinks2go> I had not thought about the browser though... that's clever.
• 3291[23:29:11] <drinks2go> ty
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• 3300[23:32:12] <`Kevin> drinks2go: you can also dig into accton,ac + sa but this is a lot heavier and time consuming (accounting)
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• 3303[23:32:28] <`Kevin> eg log file access
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• 3305[23:33:24] <drinks2go> hmm thanks for the tip `Kevin
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• 3307[23:33:47] <drinks2go> I am just learning so I take these things down and can usually sort them out through research 8) It is much appreciated!
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• 3323[23:46:40] <vegenaise> hello can someone here help me (noob) remove an app from my installation and remove it from my sources list?
• 3324[23:47:05] <vegenaise> ie, walk me through it
• 3325[23:47:37] <drinks2go> how did you install this app...? vegenaise
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• 3330[23:48:47] <vegenaise> i dont recall. probably by adding their ppa or whatever because its in my sources list. every time i try to apt-get update it tries to get new updates from them, and fails. its mostly an annoyance to me
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• 3335[23:52:24] <Brigo> vegenaise, there is no ppa in Debian. the sources are in /etc/apt
• 3336[23:52:28] <Brigo> check them.
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• 3338[23:53:21] <drinks2go> just make sure you uninstall the app maybe before hand?
• 3339[23:53:28] <Brigo> vegenaise, if you know the name of the program's package you can check the origin with apt policy <package name>
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• 3343[23:55:14] <vegenaise> its nuvolaplayer3, tilliado is the maker of the app. apt-get update attempts to find them during the update, yet i dont see anything associated with tiliado in my sources list
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• 3346[23:55:55] <maxcell_> my system is really unstable, it just locked up right now and make me reboot manually
• 3347[23:56:14] <maxcell_> something is going on
• 3348[23:56:25] <maxcell_> can't figure it out what exactly
• 3349[23:56:41] <maxcell_> have to be a hardware problem
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• 3354[23:57:10] <DerLG> maxcell_: check the logs
• 3355[23:57:16] <maxcell_> DerLG, what logs
• 3356[23:57:19] <Brigo> it could be. Check the logs. Maybe journalctl -b as root
• 3357[23:57:30] <`Kevin> vegenaise: as Brigo pointed out check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ + /etc/apt/sources.list
• 3358[23:57:31] <DerLG> maxcell_: never been to teh log directory?
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• 3361[23:58:07] <maxcell_> Brigo, something |grep to make it easier, this log is huge
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• 3364[23:58:29] <DerLG> maxcell_: good logs are huge
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• 3366[23:58:57] <vegenaise> Kevin`, i found it in sources.list.d, can i just remove tiliado-nuvloplayerblahblah.list and that'll be that?
• 3367[23:59:01] <drinks2go> var/log/messages?
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• 3369[23:59:27] <DerLG> vegenaise: make a backup
• 3370[23:59:33] <`Kevin> ^
• 3371[23:59:44] <DerLG> drinks2go: always view the logs
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