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0 [00:00:16] <aloo_shu> P4 this of course is not a solution yet, but possibly whatever command you used to copy, did leave a few special files behind
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4 [00:02:23] <t4nk661> Bonsoir à tous et à toutes j'ai un petit souci au niveau du grub.
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6 [00:02:50] <t4nk661> Lorsque je veux pouvoir augmenter baisser la luminosité je rentre cette commande dans le GRUB :GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet acpi_backlight=vendor"
7 [00:02:53] <aloo_shu> for solving, I suggest reading up on rsync (man rsync in s terminal), and asking others, P4
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10 [00:03:39] <t4nk661> Le réglage de la luminosité fonctionne. Mais dès que j'essaye de passer en HDMI le son ne fonctionne plus. Je met du coup cette commande a la place : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash radeon.audio=1" mais le réglage de la luminosité ne fonctionne plus...
11 [00:03:53] <t4nk661> comment est il possible de conserver les deux paramètres ?
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18 [00:04:59] <aloo_shu> mettre les deux? mais c'est un channel in english, teoriquement
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22 [00:07:10] <aloo_shu> t4nk661 normalement qu'anglais ici, mais 'dans le grub': ou ca?
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26 [00:08:22] <aloo_shu> aussi, faire info grub dans un terminal et etudier, info info por entendre info, t4nk661
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33 [00:10:09] <aloo_shu> t4nk661 cet CMDLINE est une sur plusiers facteurs pour generer les kernel arguments au moment du boot
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38 [00:11:36] <aloo_shu> t4nk661 avec cat /proc/cmdline tu peux voir ce que a eté ld commande *efectif* le derniet boot
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45 [00:16:25] <P4> aloo_shu: i know rsync. i just mv /home/user /root and then mv it back but those both are on ext4 fs and no specific setup takes place. The only thing that's got left was lost+found. by the way, I can read your two messages only and the first one looks like it continue some other sentence - did I miss anything? :P
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50 [00:18:02] <P4> I also grepped over /etc looking for sda5 and UUID of this partition and nothing is found. that's totally strange to me, specifically no DHCP reception afterwars, eh
51 [00:18:15] <somiaj> !fr
52 [00:18:15] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
53 [00:18:22] <P4> !pl
54 [00:18:23] <dpkg> Na kanale #debian rozmawiamy po angielsku; jesli chcesz lub wolisz mowic po polsku, wejdz na kanal #debian-pl na irc.freenode.net (Polish speakers please go to #debian-pl on irc.freenode.net). pl is also <perl>.
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57 [00:18:44] <somiaj> it is prefered to stick to english in this channel, but there are places for support in other languages.
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67 [00:22:22] <aloo_shu> P4 bardzo dobry. No, I cannot help much, but often these special files left behind by mv and picked up by rsync with the right parameters, are files needed to authenticate the user, i.e. for X. I would not be surprised if your dhcp prob id a symptom only. you could probably even use dd to copy.
68 [00:22:49] <aloo_shu> *is
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93 [00:31:36] <aloo_shu> P4 also the cli tools for user management - usermod probably - allow moving home directories, that would be the most proper way, but I never tried
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182 [01:27:05] <Logg> Will Debian Potato be able to use an ext3 partition inside a dos logical volume? (ext3 is supported in potato)
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184 [01:27:38] <hellyeah> i am using jessie
185 [01:27:46] <hellyeah> system doesnt let me install npm
186 [01:27:56] <hellyeah> any help about that?
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189 [01:28:15] <hellyeah> !npm
190 [01:28:15] <dpkg> node package manager (npm) is used to install <node.js> packages.
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195 [01:30:34] <Logg> did you try "apt-get update && apt-get install npm" hellyeah
196 [01:31:23] <hellyeah> yes
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199 [01:32:19] <rjdp9736> I googled a lot about some glyphs related to some unicode pint not being painted on my debian system, but did not find a solution which totally nails this problem or give some insight into how to fix it, thanks .
200 [01:33:25] <hellyeah> this is that i got replaced-url
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203 [01:34:04] <hellyeah> same thing happend if use aptitude command with -t jessie-backports
204 [01:34:25] <Logg> kind of looks like a frankendebian to me.
205 [01:34:28] <Logg> !frankendebian
206 [01:34:28] <dpkg> When you get random packages from random repositories, mix multiple releases of Debian, or mix Debian and derived distributions, you have a mess. There's no way anyone can support this "distribution of Frankenstein" and #debian certainly doesn't want to even try. See if you can convince ##linux to help.
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208 [01:34:43] <hellyeah> what
209 [01:35:05] <hellyeah> i installed debian today
210 [01:35:23] <hellyeah> also i am using -t jessie-backports
211 [01:35:34] <hellyeah> it is supported anyway
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213 [01:36:16] <hellyeah> als it is not release it is just backports
214 [01:36:20] <hellyeah> i dont understand
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217 [01:37:16] <Logg> well, the error message says you have a newer library than what npm wants. 1.0.2l is from jessie-backports, but it wants 1.0.0 from jessie.
218 [01:38:32] <hellyeah> hmm
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225 [01:45:05] <P4> aloo_shu: I see, thanks for those hints. since this system is not yet fully deployed, I will the most probably proceed from scratch. however this is confusing very much because IIRC I can see this not the first or even second time recently. I will give a try and switch from systemd to ol'good SysV initd hoping to see less troubles. Just guessing but it seems that replaced-url
226 [01:45:07] <P4> (-; bye bye for now \o
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234 [01:48:31] <aloo_shu> P4 thanks. I've seen systemd-is-evil as a nick here. not decided yet myself. it was slackware that really helped learn sys v. *can* you even roll back to it in debian stii?
235 [01:48:50] <aloo_shu> *still
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237 [01:49:09] <aloo_shu> thx
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240 [01:50:22] <aloo_shu> and, can one?
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249 [01:54:55] <Arcanos> Hello people
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252 [01:55:17] <bazhang> hi
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255 [01:55:39] <Arcanos> I am having an issue with getting my second monitor; which is connected to a second video card to display anything
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263 [01:57:45] <Arcanos> I am having an issue with getting my second monitor; which is connected to a second video card to display anything My video cards are displayed via lspci replaced-url
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270 [02:00:30] <somiaj> Arcanos: are you running xorg?
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272 [02:00:41] <Arcanos> Yes, KDE
273 [02:00:55] <somiaj> Arcanos: can you see both cards with the command xrandr --listproviders
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278 [02:01:27] <Arcanos> replaced-url
279 [02:01:42] <Arcanos> Yes
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281 [02:02:15] <somiaj> you should be able to tell xrandr to use both providers then add the additional moinintor using normal tools. I am unsure on teh details past this point
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284 [02:03:30] <somiaj> google suggestion xrandr --setprovideroutputsource 1 0
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297 [02:14:40] <Arcanos> Strange, I can't seem to enable the display on the second monitor
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301 [02:16:17] <Logg> try xrandr Arcanos
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305 [02:16:51] <Arcanos> I'm using kscreen wich is an xrandr GUI tool
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326 [02:25:32] <aguitel> how remove plasa-desktop and them install mate ?
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339 [02:32:16] <Arcanos> I was hoping to do the same as I had on Windows, Have the More powerful Card be the Primary display and have the Quadro be the Secondary display
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341 [02:32:45] <solid_reign> Every time I try to run gparted on my computer I get a "cannot open display: :0" What could the problem be_
342 [02:32:45] <Arcanos> But It seems that it's 100X more difficult to do than I had thought
343 [02:32:45] <solid_reign> ?
344 [02:33:05] <Arcanos> Are you trying to open it via terminal?
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347 [02:33:28] <solid_reign> Arcanos, yes, but if I don't it won't open.
348 [02:33:40] <Arcanos> What DE
349 [02:34:03] <solid_reign> Arcanos, GNOME
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351 [02:34:50] <Arcanos> if try Pressing ALT+F2 if a window opens type either gksu gparted or gksudo gparted
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354 [02:35:40] <solid_reign> Arcanos, perfect, that did it!
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357 [02:37:54] <somiaj> Arcanos: you might have to manually enable the second provider before the kde tool will see it. The tool may not have that feature (it is fairly new) added to it
358 [02:38:04] <somiaj> and that can be done by using xrandr directly.
359 [02:39:18] <Arcanos> somiaj, I guess I have hours of Reading the xrandr man page ahead of me.. Oh joy...
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366 [02:42:43] <Arcanos> Current xrandr output replaced-url
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371 [02:44:40] <Arcanos> Wow... All I had to do was xrandr --auto
372 [02:45:18] <Arcanos> and then kscreen worked.. go figure
373 [02:45:48] <Logg> neat.
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404 [03:09:24] <beingbrown> hey johnkeates maybe you remember i was around getting started with xen and lvm the other day?
405 [03:09:31] <johnkeates> yep
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409 [03:11:20] <beingbrown> oh cool. so I created my virtual group, and now I'm working with virt-manager to create a vm, but it's not letting me create it on vg0--like vg0 isn't listed as an option
410 [03:11:48] <johnkeates> what does pvscan and lvscan show?
411 [03:11:55] <beingbrown> let me log in and check
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413 [03:12:14] <johnkeates> and vgscan
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416 [03:12:51] <johnkeates> pvscan should show you the disk or partition you are using, lvscan should show any logical volumes you created and vgscan should show you all known groups
417 [03:13:49] <beingbrown> so, lvscan showed nothing
418 [03:14:02] <beingbrown> vgscan shows the volume group vg0. pvscan shows
419 [03:14:12] <beingbrown> PV /dev/sda4 VG vg0 lvm2 [210.30 GiB / 210.30 GiB free]
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422 [03:14:49] <beingbrown> i have not done lvcreate yet--i was thinking that'd be part of the vm creation process. i assume now I'm wrong about that?
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425 [03:15:54] <johnkeates> well, i don't really use any of the virt- stuff, so i can't really say
426 [03:16:12] <johnkeates> i use a configuration management system to do configuration and management (as the name implies)
427 [03:16:14] <beingbrown> do you just use the xen-tools api?
428 [03:16:16] <johnkeates> no
429 [03:16:19] <beingbrown> oh-like ansible?
430 [03:16:24] <johnkeates> I use saltstack
431 [03:16:32] <johnkeates> but yeah, something like that
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433 [03:16:39] <beingbrown> ah. okay. i've been doing everything via ansible
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435 [03:17:09] <johnkeates> basically, it does this: create a config, i.e. haproxy-1-prod.domain.com.cfg and fill it with the required parameters
436 [03:17:25] <johnkeates> then create disks (lvcreate or zfs create or iscsi related tasks)
437 [03:17:35] <johnkeates> and then it boots it (using xl create <config file>)
438 [03:18:20] <johnkeates> for non-image vm setups we use preseeding, so we start the vm with a initrd and vmlinuz and a parameter to download the preseed config from a preset provisioning server
439 [03:18:32] <johnkeates> it then installs and configures itself and reboots
440 [03:18:52] <johnkeates> then saltstack takes out the installer parameters from the config and lets it boot into the fresh install
441 [03:19:09] <beingbrown> hm...
442 [03:19:21] <beingbrown> i'm a bit lost if i'm honest. there's a lot there i'll have to google.
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444 [03:19:38] <johnkeates> which by the way, auto-registers itself with Saltstack and FreeIPA so it has direct configuration management and kerberos/ldap access so you can login with network accounts and ssh keys
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446 [03:19:48] <johnkeates> in your case, however, do this:
447 [03:20:03] <johnkeates> - use lvcreate to manually create the disk you like, i.e. sudo lvcreate -L25G vg0
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449 [03:20:32] <johnkeates> - create a config file for the vm you want to create, use this as a basis: replaced-url
450 [03:20:48] <johnkeates> in that same dir, there are the initrd and vmlinuz you'll want
451 [03:21:13] <johnkeates> the debian.cfg file has a ton of comments to help you
452 [03:21:15] <johnkeates> read those
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455 [03:21:33] <beingbrown> okay.
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457 [03:21:36] <johnkeates> then, when you verified all the settings are OK, you can start it like this: sudo xl create -c debian.cfg
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460 [03:21:52] <johnkeates> this starts the virtual machine, and the -c flag means you directly attach to its serial console
461 [03:21:59] <johnkeates> you can then do the install from there
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463 [03:22:15] <johnkeates> if you wanted to use virt-manager or virsh, you can do that too, but i don't know how that works
464 [03:22:16] <beingbrown> okay. yeah. i've done a little of that through some of the manual tutorials to famliarize msyelf.
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466 [03:22:45] <johnkeates> in case you want to try that out, you'll probably have to lvcreate a disk yourelf first if it doesn't do that for you
467 [03:22:50] <johnkeates> and you can start from there
468 [03:23:35] <johnkeates> at the same time, think about networking; you may want to create a network bridge device using brctl or something like that, so the VMs can access the network
469 [03:23:51] <johnkeates> i think virt-manager does that for you, but i'm not sure
470 [03:24:02] <johnkeates> virt-manager might also create a new MAC address for each vm
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472 [03:24:29] <johnkeates> the .cfg files you can use directly don't have that obviously, but there is a small script that can generate correct and valid (Xen-registered) MAC-addresses for you
473 [03:24:35] <beingbrown> yeah--it does. that's why i was going to try it. i made a small NAT for a vm set, but it wasn't very robust, and when I asked in #xen, they said 'use virt-manager'
474 [03:24:37] <beingbrown> so i installed it
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477 [03:25:20] <beingbrown> i don't at all know what i'm doing, of course
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479 [03:25:38] <johnkeates> well, that's not a bad thing perse, you'll learn
480 [03:25:41] <johnkeates> replaced-url
481 [03:25:58] <beingbrown> my problem was i could get out, but not in
482 [03:26:14] <beingbrown> i want to be able to hit different boxes based on some nginx or haproxy setup
483 [03:26:26] <johnkeates> this guy has randmac.py replaced-url
484 [03:26:32] <johnkeates> it generates MAC addresses for you
485 [03:26:47] <johnkeates> the network problem you have is most likely due to NAT
486 [03:26:52] <johnkeates> you would need port forwarding
487 [03:26:58] <johnkeates> and firewall rules
488 [03:27:10] <johnkeates> what kind of uplink do you have?
489 [03:27:25] <johnkeates> if it's a server and has a public IP address on an interface, you need NAT
490 [03:27:37] <johnkeates> if it's a PC that is already on an internal network, you might be better off bridging
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492 [03:28:10] <beingbrown> it's a server with two ethernet ports. i'm not sure what you mean by uplink, i'm sorry to say
493 [03:28:13] <johnkeates> there is a better solution for iptables and NAT in the hypervisor side by using a VM for NAT, firewall etc.
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495 [03:28:24] <johnkeates> you can create a VM with pfSense in it, or OpenWRT
496 [03:29:01] <johnkeates> give it two network interfaces, one vif for the ethernet port on the server (bridged) and one vif to a virtual switch or bridge that has no 'real' ethernet connection but only connects to the VMs
497 [03:29:13] <qwertytrewq> why would you want that to be running in a vm?
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499 [03:29:36] <johnkeates> because you will get a nice interface
500 [03:29:42] <johnkeates> so you don't have to learn iptables
501 [03:29:55] <johnkeates> and because it's not the hypervisor's responsibility
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503 [03:30:19] <johnkeates> ideally you'd put storage, drivers etc. in their own vm domains too, but that's too hard for most people
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505 [03:30:53] <johnkeates> having WAN --> pfSense -> LAN --> VMs works well, it's tested and gives you what you need
506 [03:31:20] <Arcanos> replaced-url
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508 [03:31:46] <Arcanos> johnkeates, Have you Tried Ipfire?
509 [03:31:48] <johnkeates> for the KVM clan, they often like iptables etc but unless you combine it with a package deal (Proxmox, OpenStack, CloudStack) it's hardly comparable to a network appliance firwall
510 [03:31:49] <johnkeates> yes
511 [03:31:55] <johnkeates> i have no problems with iptables
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513 [03:32:05] <johnkeates> i just don't want to explain it to everyone
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515 [03:32:24] <Arcanos> I prefer it over pfsense because I have NO experience with BSD, But maybe pfsense is somehow better than ipfire
516 [03:32:37] <johnkeates> if i push openwrt or pfsense, they get a system that works and is maintained, and i don't have to deal with it :D
517 [03:32:48] <Arcanos> ahh
518 [03:32:52] <johnkeates> well, pf (bsd packet filter) is way more powerful than whatever you can get on linux
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520 [03:33:14] <Arcanos> I could never get pfsense working
521 [03:33:15] <johnkeates> also, pfSense is pretty much 100% web-managed (there are two cli shells, but why bother?)
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526 [03:33:52] <Arcanos> ipfire is practically the same
527 [03:33:59] <johnkeates> how could you not get it working?
528 [03:34:04] <johnkeates> i mean, what did you run in to
529 [03:34:16] <Arcanos> Vmware Workstation
530 [03:34:16] <beingbrown> i'm going to go try some things, and I'm sure I will be back with more questions. thanks for your patience.
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532 [03:34:30] <pingfloyd> Arcanos: is that xkcd a php joke?
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534 [03:34:58] <Arcanos> pingfloyd, perhaps
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536 [03:35:17] <random_numbers> Was there a reason in particular that Kiwix isn't in the repos or is it that it just doesn't have a maintainer?
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538 [03:35:36] <johnkeates> was it ever in the repo?
539 [03:35:42] <random_numbers> I don't think so.
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541 [03:35:47] <johnkeates> then nobody has put it in there
542 [03:35:59] <johnkeates> so i guess: doesn't have a maintainer
543 [03:36:11] <pingfloyd> pfsense has a pretty decent interface
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546 [03:36:32] <random_numbers> Alright. I'd been wondering due to it being GPL-licensed and as such not having any direct incompatibility with debian.
547 [03:36:36] <johnkeates> Arcanos: strange that you couldn't get it to work, it has all the offical vmware appliance certified stuff etc
548 [03:37:13] <johnkeates> i no longer bother with vmware, but around version 3 or so it did work just fine
549 [03:37:25] <Arcanos> I just have to do some more reading, maybe my issue was that I kept trying to config it via the CLI
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551 [03:38:01] <johnkeates> yeah, that doesn't work, except for initial IP config so you can access the web interface
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553 [03:38:34] <Arcanos> I think that Was my issue
554 [03:38:42] <johnkeates> when it starts for the first time you have to tell it what interfaces you want to use and if there are any vlans before you can start, but other than that it's dhcp on LAN and go
555 [03:39:00] <Arcanos> The Interfaces part is MUCH easier in ipfire
556 [03:39:03] <Arcanos> at least to me
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558 [03:41:32] <johnkeates> well, in pfsense it's literally: which port is your WAN port? (select one from the list) and then which port is your LAN port? (select another one from the list) and then: you do need any additional ports?
559 [03:41:36] <johnkeates> that's all there is to it
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563 [03:42:40] <Arcanos> I think my issue was that I was overthinking things I'm gonna have to try it again sometime
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572 [03:49:30] <SagelessFox> hi all
573 [03:49:43] <SagelessFox> I am playing around with debian9
574 [03:49:56] <SagelessFox> but I have a question:
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576 [03:50:43] <SagelessFox> how do I make "xinit -- /usr/bin/Xvfb :1 -screen 0 1366x768x24 & x11vnc -display :1" this command autostart?
577 [03:51:14] <SagelessFox> I noticed that there is no rc.local in debian9
578 [03:51:22] <SagelessFox> :/
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594 [04:01:32] <likcoras> SagelessFox: on boot or on login?
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597 [04:01:44] <SagelessFox> on boot
598 [04:01:54] <SagelessFox> likcoras
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600 [04:02:07] <likcoras> SagelessFox: Debian uses systemd, so I'd try writing a systemd unit.
601 [04:02:21] <likcoras> rc.* is sysv stuff, I think.
602 [04:02:46] <SagelessFox> hmm...yeah. I was working on sysv until seconds ago
603 [04:03:00] <likcoras> On debian?
604 [04:03:12] <SagelessFox> so is sysv stuff totally disabled in debian?
605 [04:03:17] <SagelessFox> yes, on debian
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608 [04:03:59] <likcoras> SagelessFox: you can switch to sysv if you don't like systemd
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611 [04:05:07] <likcoras> !jessie sysvinit
612 [04:05:07] <dpkg> To use an init system other than systemd in jessie, install the systemd-shim package (for logind) and remove the systemd-sysv package: aptitude install systemd-shim sysvinit-core systemd-sysv-. To stick with sysvinit for wheezy->jessie upgrades, follow the pinning advice in the release notes: replaced-url
613 [04:05:12] <likcoras> there we go
614 [04:06:01] <johnkeates> no need for that nonsense
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616 [04:06:12] <likcoras> johnkeates: ?
617 [04:06:13] <johnkeates> from some random manual: "The rc-local.service already exists in systemd and the service file suggests that the rc.local, if it exists and is executable, gets pulled automatically into multi-user.target."
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619 [04:06:25] <likcoras> oooh.
620 [04:06:32] <jimbzy> I'm having trouble upgrading to the newest version of google chrome. I download the .deb (version 60) and install it with dpkg, but when I run it and check the info it says I'm still running version 59
621 [04:06:38] <pingfloyd> yeah, rc.local should still work in the typical configuration
622 [04:06:44] <pingfloyd> in spite of using systemd
623 [04:06:49] <jimbzy> I even tried removing it before installing the new version with no luck.
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625 [04:07:08] <johnkeates> jimbzy: try the apt repository instead?
626 [04:07:12] <SagelessFox> so I can create rc.local and it should work? ehh
627 [04:07:15] <johnkeates> yes
628 [04:07:24] <SagelessFox> ah ok, thanks
629 [04:08:05] <pingfloyd> also some scripts are still used from /etc/init.d/
630 [04:08:06] <johnkeates> make sure it's executable and is a valid shell script; i.e. start it with the line #!/bin/bash and run sudo chmod +x /etc/rc.local
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632 [04:08:33] <jimbzy> I can't seem to locate it through there and have main contrib and non-free in my source list.
633 [04:08:34] <SagelessFox> thanks
634 [04:08:52] <johnkeates> jimbzy: it should be in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
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636 [04:09:31] <johnkeates> it's called google-chrome.list and contains this source line: deb [arch=amd64] replaced-url
637 [04:09:50] <johnkeates> but why not install chromium? it's chrome but without google's default spyware
638 [04:09:57] <johnkeates> then again, for netflix... google chrome
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640 [04:10:26] <jimbzy> I need it for this stupid lab software in school.
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642 [04:11:20] <johnkeates> schools are stupid when they 'require' something like MS software, vmware, a specific browser etc. they should just make their courses and shit work to spec instead of sucking up to vendors
643 [04:11:24] <johnkeates> oh well.
644 [04:11:26] <johnkeates> im outta here
645 [04:11:28] <johnkeates> 4am
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648 [04:11:54] <jimbzy> Thanks johnkeates
649 [04:12:00] <jimbzy> Too slow :(
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651 [04:14:24] <SagelessFox> oh yeah my application succeeded thanks likcoras johnkeates pingfloyd
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653 [04:14:39] <SagelessFox> ehh
654 [04:14:46] <abff> jimbzy you should probably purge the old version of chrome before installing the new one
655 [04:15:02] <jimbzy> I did, abff.
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657 [04:15:54] <jimbzy> That's what has me puzzled. It showed it was installing 60, but it loaded 59
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661 [04:16:38] <abff> probably is still installed somewhere in your path
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664 [04:17:43] <jimbzy> That's possible.
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691 [04:29:39] <jimbzy> I'll have to mess with it in the morning. I have other homeowrk to do tonight. Thanks for the help and have a good one.
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703 [04:38:52] <Trap-Chan> what the hell. just went through the handouts for my daughter's kindergarten and they already intend to teach computer coding...wtf?
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714 [04:45:40] <gabrielc> what lang on what os?
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721 [04:47:12] <Trap-Chan> gabrielc, no idea the handout just says "computer coding"
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725 [04:48:03] <Trap-Chan> If i'd seen that during the open house I would have pushed for more details so I could set up her PC so she could practice at home. Guess I gotta wait till school year starts though.
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732 [04:51:44] <Trap-Chan> I wish there was a way I could find in hex chat to make it only notify me of actual channel activity not every bloody join and part.
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738 [04:54:18] <Epakai> Trap-Chan: there's a per channel setting. right click on a channel > settings > hide join/part
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741 [04:55:18] <Trap-Chan> Epakai, but doesn't that hide the actual joins/parts? i still want to see them i just don't want them to be treated as activity. :P
742 [04:55:38] <Trap-Chan> wait...click channel? i don't seem to have a channel menu.
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744 [04:56:04] <likcoras> Don't you have a list of channels to the left or at the top?
745 [04:56:19] <Trap-Chan> i have a list. but not somethign i can click. just right click
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748 [04:56:31] <Trap-Chan> ahh that's what you meant.
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767 [05:08:32] <random_numbers> I found why kiwix isn't packaged. Its dependency management is pretty unusual, to say it nicely.
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942 [07:12:16] <darxmurf> hi all
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1019 [08:23:45] <klys> texou, hi
1020 [08:24:06] <klys> darxmurf, hi
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1052 [08:49:27] <tdn> What is the easiest way of having an encrypted swap file (not partition)? Can I set up a file a LUKS/dm-crypt device in /etc/crypttab and then use that in fstab?
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1065 [08:57:58] <vlt> tdn: I’d say yes. If that doesn’t work there’s also losetup.
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1070 [08:58:42] <tdn> vlt, is there any way to check if it works without having to reboot the server? I am a bit worried that I reboot and it will not boot up if it does not work
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1077 [09:03:35] <vlt> tdn: Sorry, I don’t know exactly what happens on reboot. Maybe you could find something systemd does. Or `/etc/init.d/crypt*something restart`
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1098 [09:16:43] <k_sze> I just tried installing Debian Stretch 64-bit.
1099 [09:17:03] <k_sze> Is it at all normal that I don't have ifconfig and sudo commands after a fresh install?
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1101 [09:17:41] <craysiii> sudo yes, not sure about ifconfig, pretty sure its deprecated
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1104 [09:18:23] <k_sze> Then what do I use instead of ifconfig?
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1106 [09:19:41] <k_sze> And apt-get is asking me to insert the installation disk instead of fetching the packages from the online repos.
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1110 [09:20:36] <craysiii> `ip address`
1111 [09:21:05] <craysiii> you can also get ifconfig back by installing net-tools
1112 [09:21:40] <jelly> k_sze: replaced-url
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1114 [09:22:55] <jelly> k_sze: as for the installation disk, comment out or remove the cdrom entries in /etc/apt/sources.list
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1198 [10:08:56] <tdn> vlt, I think I will just have to do this when I get physically close to the server.
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1201 [10:09:07] <tdn> vlt, currently it is ~100 miles away
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1207 [10:12:34] <maxcell_> do i need to put "testing" on security repos/backports to upgrade my stretch to testing?
1208 [10:12:44] <maxcell_> sources.list
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1217 [10:17:20] <maxcell_> do i need to add "testing" word to security and security-src lines on sources.list in order to update to testing?
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1219 [10:17:39] <maxcell_> that's not clear on the wiki
1220 [10:17:45] <maxcell_> or google
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1241 [10:33:36] <cruncher> maxcell_, its a bit generic in the wiki, true, but in your case, for testing, it should be very clear
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1243 [10:35:06] <cruncher> so the answer is yes, just follow the examples given
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1261 [10:48:54] <blawiz> can 'column' command wrap long lines within columns? i find different man pages online, why doesnt man pages specify version :S
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1263 [10:49:07] <blawiz> -c doesnt seem to do anything for me
1264 [10:50:16] <shtrb> blawiz what about the -s arg ?
1265 [10:51:02] <shtrb> if you need to wrap a "long line"
1266 [10:51:14] <shtrb> , you can change the line ending as a different separator
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1269 [10:52:20] <Scuttle> Hum...I am having issues with Deb9 virtual machines running under ESXi 6.5 that uses the VMXNET3-nic hanging periodically. Switching NIC to E1000e seems to alleviate it... Anyone have any ideas?
1270 [10:52:41] <[jasper]> hej guys, I updated this plexmediaserver package. apparently they went from /etc/init.d/script to something called startup
1271 [10:52:50] <[jasper]> now when I try to start the service...it says unrecognised service...
1272 [10:52:56] <[jasper]> any clue what I can do to fix this?
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1288 [11:01:03] <blawiz> shtrb: ye i know about that, but the problem is when the full line is too long for the screen, it has to be wrapped somewhere
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1305 [11:10:05] <[jasper]> no-one here that can hepl me fix this service?
1306 [11:11:26] <blawiz> dunno if linux-help is getting less helpful :P maybe ppl tired of helping i dunno
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1309 [11:12:16] <blawiz> the man page for 'column' says 2004 .......
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1312 [11:13:07] <cruncher> [jasper], as they dont provide systemd service files, you will have to write your own
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1315 [11:13:47] <jolt> [jasper]: startup? Do you mean upstart? That is something that ubuntu used for a while
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1317 [11:13:55] <[jasper]> yeah upstart
1318 [11:14:03] <jolt> [jasper]: Are you running debian?
1319 [11:14:15] <[jasper]> ah must be a ubuntu package then
1320 [11:14:18] <[jasper]> messed up
1321 [11:14:26] <jolt> [jasper]: If you are running stretch it should be systemd
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1323 [11:14:38] <[jasper]> yeah Iḿ running stretch
1324 [11:14:59] <shtrb> blawiz , it's early in some places and mid work day in others
1325 [11:15:05] <jolt> [jasper]: You can of course create your own systemd init script if you want (or find the one for plex on github (just guessing here))
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1328 [11:15:31] <blawiz> shtrb: its always the perfect time somewhere ;P
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1331 [11:15:52] <[jasper]> jolt, I had plex working perfectly fine..but I went from jessie to stretch..
1332 [11:15:53] <shtrb> [jasper] post your scritps somewhere so people could see how to adjust it
1333 [11:16:06] <jolt> [jasper]: I run it in docker instead myself
1334 [11:16:14] <[jasper]> yeah Iḿ considering doing that
1335 [11:16:19] <[jasper]> makes live hell of a lot easier
1336 [11:16:23] <jolt> Amen
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1348 [11:22:53] <choice> Hello!
1349 [11:22:59] <choice> This morning I see erratic load spikes on my webserver. Load goes up to 15 every few minutes or so. Even thought the same traffic usually is handled with a load of 0.3 or so.
1350 [11:23:08] <choice> top shows apache using up most cpu time.
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1352 [11:23:10] <choice> Any ideas how to figure out what is going on?
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1400 [11:49:15] <ntz> hello
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1403 [11:50:55] <choice> yo ntz
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1416 [11:55:40] <shtrb> hi ntz
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1421 [12:02:25] <donatas> I'm surprised to see that debian stretch performs much better than windows 10 on real time sound processing. Using bitwig through ALSA driver on Intel HD sound card, live sound processing has almost no noticeable delay
1422 [12:03:07] <donatas> Maybe someone knows what is the change, is there specific kernel update? As jessy was performing with big delay
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1424 [12:03:39] <enyc> donatas: i wondered too if lowlatency kernel no longer required or what
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1429 [12:05:51] <JyZyXEL> donatas: for windows you need to have ASIO or ASIO4ALL to get low latency
1430 [12:05:56] <shtrb> donatas , maybe it's Win10 that just lagging more ?
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1438 [12:09:54] <donatas> well it means than there is more tinkering with windows to get required outcome, as debian was out of the box which is great. And yes, before as far as I know special kernel was required to get good live performance. I didn't know about ASI0, but will keep that in mind, meanwhile debian performs as a more responsive system, there is just too much stuff glued together on windows, including all business agenda behind the scenes, secret
1439 [12:09:55] <donatas> updates etc, that sometimes refreshes certain system processes without users agreement
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1446 [12:11:55] <shtrb> donatas , on win10 one good way to get a "boost" is to put all your network interfaces on metered state and drop all chatty options to minimum (disable if possible )
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1450 [12:13:49] <donatas> shtrb: Are these options explicit somewhere ?
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1461 [12:17:34] <F73WA> hi. could someone perhaps tell me which file browser that guy in the video is using at min 2:40? replaced-url
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1463 [12:18:52] <shtrb> donatas , group policy + regedit
1464 [12:19:33] <donatas> ok
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1470 [12:23:06] <shtrb> replaced-url
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1485 [12:28:21] <tdn> What is the best way to check if swap is being used? while sleep 60; do swapon -s > swapuse.log; done ??
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1513 [12:46:00] <gedas> hi guys. Can you tell me how to set netboot option on interface eith nmcli???
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1591 [13:27:45] <DoctorD90> hello! In debian strech (gnome), when I open file manager, and I search for a file, it searches in ALL subfolder. How can I disable this feature? Id like to search only in present folder.
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1593 [13:28:50] <arosusi> DoctorD90, try CTRL+S.
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1595 [13:29:42] <hjek> @DoctorD90 The Pcmanfm file manager doesn't do it.
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1597 [13:30:13] <arosusi> DoctorD90, CTRL+S using nautilus (Files) application.
1598 [13:30:15] <hjek> Oh, actually CTRL+S is better!
1599 [13:30:17] <DoctorD90> arosusi ok, this could be a solution. But I'd like to show *all* results, not only the first
1600 [13:30:55] <hjek> then, you might need something like Pcmanfm, and pr
1601 [13:31:00] <DoctorD90> hjek ah ok, so I cant....well...an option would be usefull :P
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1603 [13:31:15] <hjek> ... and type the first letters, and press up and down
1604 [13:31:28] <arosusi> DoctorD90, It should show all matches selected.
1605 [13:31:29] <hjek> I think both Pcmanfm and Thunar work that way.
1606 [13:31:35] <DoctorD90> uder gnome, I think im using nautilus
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1608 [13:31:50] <DoctorD90> arosusi nothing....jsut the first :(
1609 [13:31:54] <hjek> @arosusi yes, you are right!
1610 [13:32:00] <arosusi> DoctorD90, you use nautilus?
1611 [13:32:17] <DoctorD90> the default manager.
1612 [13:32:36] <hjek> @DoctorD90 If you type in something that matches more items, it will, e.g. a* will match anything starting with 'a'
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1615 [13:33:40] <DoctorD90> hjek yep, tried now. I have a folder "nmappa" and a file "nmpa" ..if I ctrl+s it just higligth nothing. If I add *, it highligth only the first
1616 [13:34:04] <arosusi> DoctorD90, open a X11 shell and type: nautilus& then navigate to your folder and enter: *SEARCHTERMN*. It should mark all matches within that directory.
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1618 [13:34:35] <DoctorD90> ah ok!!! it marks! okok....yes, it marks. Being very distant, i just see marked the first only
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1620 [13:35:07] <DoctorD90> btw....yea...this could be a solution....even if the solution to show only matched item is better :(
1621 [13:35:11] <arosusi> Very fine, DoctorD90 .
1622 [13:35:29] <mmpmmpmmp> hey, I build a small gateway, set static IPs to eno1 and eno2 and installed shorewall. After a reboot, shorewall is active, but no client (intern) find the extern net. But if I restart shorewall, the clients find the extern net. Routingtables are the same, before and after restart. WHat can I do?
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1624 [13:35:44] <DoctorD90> but if the ctrl+f cant work in that way...I cant do anything...very thx u :)
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1636 [13:44:04] <nadersith> good morning
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1644 [13:49:01] <arosusi> Good morning, nadersith.
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1654 [13:52:48] <iodev> nadersith: are you german?
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1657 [13:54:07] <nadersith> spanish
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1662 [13:54:23] <zamuro> dpkg es
1663 [13:54:24] <dpkg> Este canal es de soporte técnico en Inglés para Debian. Si prefiere que el soporte sea en Español, puede ingresar en #debian-es tecleando /join #debian-es en la línea de chat.
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1665 [13:54:51] <nadersith> ?
1666 [13:55:56] <Trap-Chan> I'm seriously surprised that there is no carosel/livetyle style de that is easily dpad navigatable. Every solution to running an HTPC is increase the font font/icon/panel size and/or use steam/kodi to launch anything you need to. it works but sometimes you still gotta go to the desktop to install new programs and such.
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1670 [13:57:40] <jelly> what's a dpad
1671 [13:57:51] <Trap-Chan> arrow keys. Up down left and right.
1672 [13:58:11] <Trap-Chan> or if you have a game controller or media remote it's the cross shape that does the same function.
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1675 [13:58:31] <jelly> designing useful UIs is probably harder than writing code
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1690 [14:01:36] <Trap-Chan> hrm. isn't there a program i can install along with putty that would let me open x windows for my linux box on my windows box?
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1692 [14:01:56] <mebus2> Can somebody help me with this: replaced-url
1693 [14:02:00] <BluesKaj> kodi is ok (I use it sometimes) , but it's much too clunky for my taste
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1695 [14:02:23] <Trap-Chan> clunky? seems like it's the lowest profile way to load up movies from my couch.
1696 [14:03:03] <Trap-Chan> yeah whatever that error log is beyond my current expertise.
1697 [14:03:33] <BluesKaj> vlc works for me
1698 [14:04:03] <Trap-Chan> you need the mouse too much for vlc for it to be easily done from a laying possition on your couch. :P
1699 [14:04:48] <mebus2> anybody here familiar with LVM and systemd?
1700 [14:05:11] <BluesKaj> I also use this pc as a HTPC, connected to my TV and audio system with wireless KB and mouse
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1702 [14:05:45] <BluesKaj> I use an easy chair :-)
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1709 [14:07:09] <tremolo> I'm not sure that you need a mouse at all.
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1714 [14:08:46] <Vizva> mebus2 there is a command inside
1715 [14:09:05] <Trap-Chan> tremolo, k you can do it with alt down o, then tab to browse and then click around to the folder where the video file is stored finally hitting enter to open it and then hitting f to fullscreen. that's not what i call less clunky than the 5 key presses i need to get to any one video.
1716 [14:09:10] <mebus2> Vizva: ?
1717 [14:09:25] <Vizva> mebus2 i did saz zou maz use a command
1718 [14:09:30] <Vizva> saz
1719 [14:09:32] <vlt> Trap-Chan: Does it have to be a real X window? If not, there’s vnc4server, x11vnc, xrdp ... that comes to mind.
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1722 [14:09:44] <Vizva> whats with my kezboard
1723 [14:09:46] <Vizva> lol
1724 [14:09:49] <cyborg> hey
1725 [14:09:57] <cyborg> how is everyone
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1728 [14:10:10] <tremolo> Eh, when I used it, I'd just launch it over SSH from my desktop and walk to the other room. No keyboard/mouse on the htpc for the kids to mess with. :D
1729 [14:10:13] <Trap-Chan> vnc is way slow. i swear i did something once where basically there was no click/key delay but changes did take effect on the target machine.
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1731 [14:10:18] <vlt> Vizva: y and z are changed.
1732 [14:10:21] <Vizva> mebus2 it did say you may use a command
1733 [14:10:32] <Guest34613> yo, is anyone able to help me out with an issue
1734 [14:10:38] <mebus2> Vizva: yes, but it's not booting and I cannot enter anything.
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1736 [14:10:50] <Vizva> systemctl and so far for details
1737 [14:10:55] <Vizva> ok
1738 [14:11:04] <Guest34613> d
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1740 [14:11:13] <vlt> Vizva: English layout is qwerty, German (for exmpample) is qwertz.
1741 [14:11:15] <grumble> can I download debian as an archive file of an installed system somewhere? sort of like debootstrap but pre-built
1742 [14:11:18] <Guest34613> basically, I am stuck in a login loop
1743 [14:11:24] <tremolo> Trap-Chan: You can to X forwarding, if you have an X server on your desktop.
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1745 [14:11:33] <Vizva> vlt i know but the question why is changed
1746 [14:11:36] <tremolo> s/can to/ can do/
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1751 [14:12:18] <Trap-Chan> k so what i need is an x server that runs on windows basically? then i just ssh in with putty and when i try to run an x program it will open here not on the linux machine?
1752 [14:12:40] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, yes, activate x forwarding in putty, and use i.e. xming as xserver
1753 [14:12:44] <Guest34613> .disconnect
1754 [14:12:49] <tremolo> Pretty much
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1756 [14:12:51] <mebus2> WTF
1757 [14:12:55] <mebus2> why is this so broken
1758 [14:12:56] <Vizva> mebus2 it did freeze there_
1759 [14:12:56] <mebus2> ??
1760 [14:12:58] <Vizva> _
1761 [14:13:12] <Trap-Chan> cruncher, cool i'll go google xming now. having a name helps a ton
1762 [14:13:22] <mebus2> the commands dont work in chroot
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1765 [14:14:48] <vlt> Trap-Chan: Define “open”. The program still _runs_ on the linux machine.
1766 [14:15:31] <Trap-Chan> vlt that's great as long as i'm interacting with it on the windows machine which has a keyboard and mouse that is very comfortable to use whre as the HTPC has a 2 inch touch pad that is...well it's a bloody touchpad.
1767 [14:15:35] <tremolo> just displays and accepts input from the local (to you) machine
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1770 [14:16:39] <Trap-Chan> tremolo, so basically exactly what i'm after.
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1772 [14:17:40] <Trap-Chan> actually that's interesting you say that it displays here and takes input from here. but you don't mention sound. if i forward an xwindow that generates sound will that sound come out of the linux box? or just disapear into the aether?
1773 [14:18:18] <vlt> Trap-Chan: If you just need it to control the program and don’t care so much for the quality of the local output image, VNC is reasonably fast when (extremely) reducing color depth and activating strong compression.
1774 [14:18:29] <vlt> Trap-Chan: And there’s XRDP.
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1779 [14:18:55] <Trap-Chan> vlt i've tried vnc hundreds of times over the years on the very lowest settings and there always is a still perceptible delay.
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1783 [14:20:27] <vlt> Trap-Chan: I used to work full-time on a VNC session for years without noticing it. Maybe my brain adjusted itself :-D
1784 [14:20:37] <vlt> *in
1785 [14:21:04] <Trap-Chan> there's also the possibility that you are normal. :P i'm a speed gamer so i'm very sensitive to input delay.
1786 [14:21:43] * vlt is normal. Confirmed by Trap-Chan.
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1789 [14:22:01] <Trap-Chan> i didn't confirm sh*... I stated a possibility. :P
1790 [14:22:25] <mebus2> asking again: can anybody help: replaced-url
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1792 [14:22:40] <Trap-Chan> is there a difference between x11 forwarding xserver and xemulator?
1793 [14:22:50] <mebus2> Trap-Chan: yes.
1794 [14:23:06] <Trap-Chan> more acurate question: what is the difference?
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1798 [14:25:27] <johnkeates> Trap-Chan: yes.
1799 [14:25:43] * Trap-Chan bites johnkeates.
1800 [14:25:46] * johnkeates purrs
1801 [14:25:55] * Trap-Chan glares
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1805 [14:26:58] <johnkeates> i'm watching BigCatRescue, the timing was there. there was biting, purring and peeing against a tree
1806 [14:27:18] <johnkeates> also, i have no idea what xemulator is. is it like xrootless or xephyr?
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1811 [14:28:40] <Trap-Chan> johnkeates, basically i'm trying to figure out for the purposes of sshing from windows to linux if there is a practical difference between what i found reffering to an "x emulator" what i found in putty which was "x11 forwarding" and then the guys here called xming an "x server"
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1813 [14:28:58] <Trap-Chan> hrm connection refused...so i guess i DO need to enable ssh on the machine. don't remember how. time to google.
1814 [14:28:58] <johnkeates> well
1815 [14:29:17] <johnkeates> you need to communicate to the server, so the ssh tunnel will always be needede
1816 [14:29:30] <johnkeates> x11 forwarding allows x11 over SSH
1817 [14:29:34] <Trap-Chan> wow search for "enable ssh" and every result is about root not about regular ssh.
1818 [14:29:44] <johnkeates> people are stupid
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1820 [14:30:08] <Trap-Chan> actually i apparently searched for "how to enable ssh"
1821 [14:30:18] <johnkeates> we should rename root to bork and see what google thinks about that
1822 [14:30:27] <johnkeates> "how to enable bork"
1823 [14:30:29] <johnkeates> bork bork
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1827 [14:31:08] <mebus2> hm
1828 [14:31:11] <mebus2> so nobody knows?
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1830 [14:31:18] <johnkeates> i know
1831 [14:31:28] <mebus2> johnkeates: replaced-url
1832 [14:31:49] <johnkeates> your system is borked
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1834 [14:31:56] <johnkeates> get a live cd / recovery boot thing
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1836 [14:31:59] <johnkeates> and start from there
1837 [14:32:00] <mebus2> johnkeates: I know. But how can I fix this?
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1839 [14:32:06] <johnkeates> fsck
1840 [14:32:14] <mebus2> johnkeates: I alread did
1841 [14:32:20] <mebus2> johnkeates: fsck on?
1842 [14:32:27] <johnkeates> on root
1843 [14:32:36] <johnkeates> you start from an installer or livecd, and select 'rescue'
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2043 [14:33:32] <mebus2> johnkeates: it's a problem with lvm
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2046 [14:33:42] <mebus2> johnkeates: fsck wont work on it
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2055 [14:34:11] <johnkeates> is it? seems like a udev issue to me
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2059 [14:34:31] <johnkeates> no udev, no lvm
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2086 [14:36:52] <mebus2> johnkeates: the filesystems are clean
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2088 [14:37:43] <johnkeates> so you can start the lv's and vg's and then fsck the fs's on them
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2091 [14:37:56] <johnkeates> next, you'll need more systemd logging
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2096 [14:38:11] <johnkeates> how did you get into this problem?
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2098 [14:38:16] <Trap-Chan> can i open thunar to a specific directory from terminal?
2099 [14:38:24] <johnkeates> yes, xdg-open
2100 [14:38:26] <mebus2> johnkeates: I already checked ALL filesystems - also on the lvm volumes - as I said
2101 [14:38:31] <johnkeates> how did you get into this problem?
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2103 [14:38:43] <mebus2> johnkeates: rebooting.
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2105 [14:39:05] <johnkeates> well, don't do that
2106 [14:39:09] <johnkeates> problem solved. :P
2107 [14:39:26] <johnkeates> you'll need more systemd logging to figure out whats broken and why
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2112 [14:39:54] <johnkeates> maybe try rescue cd/usb and do an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade form tehre
2113 [14:40:03] <mebus2> apt-get update + upgrade didn't help
2114 [14:40:14] <mebus2> how can I read the fancy systemd logs?
2115 [14:40:19] <johnkeates> not sure, i hate systemd
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2117 [14:40:29] * mebus2 hates systemd now, tool.
2118 [14:40:29] <johnkeates> it has some binary log that gets corrupted and unreadably all day long
2119 [14:40:40] <hime> Hey
2120 [14:40:53] <johnkeates> maybe init=/bin/sh and go from there? i dunno...
2121 [14:40:54] <hime> Where do you find great background for Android?
2122 [14:41:04] <johnkeates> !dpkg android
2123 [14:41:04] <dpkg> Android is a Linux-based operating system for mobile devices. replaced-url
2124 [14:41:56] <mebus2> johnkeates: there is only crap in /var/log/lastlog
2125 [14:42:05] <johnkeates> yeah, systemd doesn't log there
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2127 [14:42:16] <johnkeates> it uses a 'journa;
2128 [14:42:28] <mebus2> johnkeates: I think it cannot log anywhere, because the filesystem can't get mounted
2129 [14:42:55] <johnkeates> i think udev is having an issue, it's what errors before lvm
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2131 [14:43:01] <johnkeates> lvm needs udev to run to find the devices
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2139 [14:46:28] <Trap-Chan> k i'm doing something wrong. >.< putty keeps asking for a password on a passwordless account.
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2146 [14:49:11] <Vizva> !live
2147 [14:49:12] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2189 [15:07:50] <MrNewbie72> Yesterday i faced a problem installing debian 9.1.0 on to my ssd drive, it was yelling disk is too small for auto partitioning or something like that even though it was wiped and is 120 GB :/, note that jessie installed fine
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2193 [15:09:19] <darxmurf> MrNewbie72: there was no partitions at all on the disk ?
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2195 [15:09:40] <MrNewbie72> darxmurf: not at all
2196 [15:10:24] <johnkeates> try manual partitioning, not to actually install but to check what is says there
2197 [15:10:30] <MrNewbie72> I reach to a point i wiped it with dd just in case there was something on the ssd
2198 [15:10:54] <johnkeates> Trap-Chan: passwordless accounts are worse than root login via ssh!
2199 [15:11:09] <johnkeates> MrNewbie72: but what does the partitioner show/say?
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2203 [15:11:55] <MrNewbie72> johnkeates: Nothing, just a disk without any partition
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2205 [15:12:27] <johnkeates> and if you then partitoin it, just one big partition
2206 [15:12:30] <johnkeates> does it actually do that
2207 [15:12:33] <johnkeates> or does it hang
2208 [15:12:37] <johnkeates> oh, brb
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2214 [15:15:12] <MrNewbie72> johnkeates: it works just fine when i partition it manually
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2216 [15:16:13] <cruncher> MrNewbie72, dont dd the full ssd (too many times)... you "wear" it off
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2219 [15:16:41] <cruncher> if you want all paritions gone, its enough you wipe the first sector
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2228 [15:22:34] <MrNewbie72> Another problem i faced was with zfs-fuse and LUKS encrypted disks, the problem seems like zfs tries to mount the disks before they get unlocked, but it used to work on jessie just fine. My workaround was simply using zfsutils-linux
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2230 [15:24:44] <Vizva> MrNewbie72 you did upgrade or install on stretch
2231 [15:24:48] <Vizva> ?
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2236 [15:25:28] <Vizva> from jessie
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2241 [15:29:05] <Vizva> i think you did something wrong on update
2242 [15:30:38] <Vizva> possibility is to answer the question for config files wrong like use a newer version and drop the old config with
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2248 [15:33:19] <DevAntoine> hi
2249 [15:33:43] <DevAntoine> I want to install rpm and rpmbuild binaries. I do a simple "apt-get install rpm" but it ends up with the following error: Unable to locate package rpm
2250 [15:33:47] <DevAntoine> oO
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2256 [15:37:29] <Vizva> aptitude search rpm
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2258 [15:37:48] <Vizva> DevAntoine
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2260 [15:38:33] <babilen> judd: file bin/rpmbuild
2261 [15:38:37] <judd> Search for bin/rpmbuild in stretch/amd64: rpm: usr/bin/rpmbuild
2262 [15:38:38] <DevAntoine> Vizva: hum, it seems that with docker for every "apt-get install" I do I need to prepends it with "update"
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2264 [15:39:24] <Vizva> DevAntoine maybe your sources.list is not complete
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2267 [15:40:15] <DevAntoine> the image uses the official debian:jessie image, weird
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2269 [15:40:56] <Vizva> and youre on stretch?
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2271 [15:40:59] <lolo_> hi
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2273 [15:41:53] <DevAntoine> Vizva: what? I just say I'm on jessie
2274 [15:42:04] <Vizva> ok i have a error
2275 [15:42:48] <lolo_> im now at replaced-url
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2277 [15:43:17] <towo^work> netinstall contains only the base system
2278 [15:43:21] <coruja> netinst doesn't include any desktop
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2280 [15:43:27] <towo^work> all other is comming from the net
2281 [15:43:28] <coruja> ;)
2282 [15:43:39] <darxmurf> netinstall download then the packages from the web
2283 [15:43:41] <coruja> hi towo^work
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2285 [15:43:45] <towo^work> hi co
2286 [15:43:50] <towo^work> hi coruja
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2303 [15:48:09] <darxmurf> lolo_: is you use netinstall, don't forget to check is your network card is supported in the main repo. IE realtek cards needs a non-free package during the install
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2309 [15:49:35] <choice> If you see a high load average in top and the cpu state seems to be mainly "wa" - how can one know which processes are waiting for io?
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2323 [15:54:06] <darxmurf> do you have a NFS mounted folder ?
2324 [15:54:11] <choice> me?
2325 [15:54:16] <darxmurf> yep
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2327 [15:54:32] <choice> I don't think so.
2328 [15:54:38] <darxmurf> I had a few time a huge load on a machine and the problem was a broken NFS mount
2329 [15:54:49] <choice> It's a VPS with a plain debian install.
2330 [15:55:05] <choice> Getting erratic load spikes every now and then since about 15 hours.
2331 [15:55:08] <darxmurf> the shared NFS ressource was down and the machine messing up with the protocol
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2333 [15:55:12] <choice> Trying to figure out whats going on.
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2335 [15:55:27] <darxmurf> hmmm
2336 [15:55:43] <choice> So far, I have 3 observations: 1) Sometimes load goes up to about 20. 2) Sometimes requests take long. 3) Sometimes "wa" state is super high. Like 90% wa.
2337 [15:56:08] <darxmurf> do you have deamons/app runing on this machine ?
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2339 [15:56:15] <choice> darxmurf: Sure.
2340 [15:56:30] <choice> Everything that comes if you install a typical debian system with apache.
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2345 [15:57:06] <ben25> hello
2346 [15:57:39] <ben25> i can't save my multi screen setup, is there some trick i should try xfce/debian 9
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2348 [15:58:06] <ben25> it is reset at each start
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2352 [15:59:19] <choice> ben25: Which desktop?
2353 [15:59:30] <ben25> hmm xfce ?
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2357 [16:00:09] <choice> ben25: I see. I never used xfce. Always used Gnome 2 and now Mate.
2358 [16:00:36] <choice> ben25: Maybe there is a channel like #xfce or so.
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2372 [16:06:36] <darxmurf> ben25: how do you configure it ?
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2375 [16:07:20] <darxmurf> IE if you run the nvidia configuration under XFCE without root rights, it can not save the xorg.conf and the reset the setup on every reboot
2376 [16:07:31] <darxmurf> choice: do you have websites running on your machine ?
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2381 [16:08:04] <choice> darxmurf: Yup
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2383 [16:08:29] <choice> darxmurf: But there are is no spike in requests when the load spikes happen.
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2385 [16:09:14] <darxmurf> I had the case on a shared web server where one of the website was killing the ressources... after digging in it, we discovered that the guy had a PHP script to list ALL it's files to take the date of the last modified one and display "last modification on... " on it's front page Oo
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2389 [16:09:52] <darxmurf> this guy had a place in the hall of fame
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2391 [16:10:24] <choice> It's a VPS. Has been running smoothly for years. I consider moving the system to a different VPS. It's a lot of hassle though. There are a ton of domains connected to its ip.
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2393 [16:11:01] <darxmurf> so there is maybe one website messing up the stuff
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2395 [16:11:29] <darxmurf> database server too on this machine ?
2396 [16:11:31] <choice> Well, if another VPS uses up resources that would be visible in some way.
2397 [16:11:58] <choice> My guess is that it's network congestion somewhere between the VPS and the outer world.
2398 [16:12:37] <darxmurf> are you the only one on this VPS or ?
2399 [16:12:43] <choice> Yes
2400 [16:12:48] <darxmurf> ah ok
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2402 [16:13:02] <darxmurf> is there enough ressources on the host ?
2403 [16:13:22] <choice> Hard to say. If CPU time is limited, that should be visible in the "st" field of top.
2404 [16:13:37] <choice> But since the load spikes only happen rarely, I never have much time to look at it.
2405 [16:13:44] <darxmurf> yep
2406 [16:13:55] <darxmurf> do you manage the host server too ?
2407 [16:13:59] <choice> No
2408 [16:14:35] <darxmurf> because if they decided to share the ressources based on the fact that nobody will eat all the allowed ressources at the same time, it can mess up the thing :-)
2409 [16:14:42] <choice> Sure
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2411 [16:14:53] <darxmurf> but this is the job of the owner
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2413 [16:15:10] <hime> Do you have a game?
2414 [16:15:14] <choice> no
2415 [16:15:29] <choice> Well, I could call hosting company. But I would like to figure out what the exact problem is first.
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2419 [16:15:55] <darxmurf> if they monitore their machines, they should be able to see it too
2420 [16:16:20] <choice> Question is: See what?
2421 [16:16:37] <choice> Could be network congestion, a dying hard disk, CPU overusage ...
2422 [16:16:44] <darxmurf> peaks on CPU/memory graphs
2423 [16:16:56] <darxmurf> hmm
2424 [16:17:01] <darxmurf> it's quite hard to troubleshoot
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2429 [16:17:43] <darxmurf> then I also had the case, we tried to debug something like that for a while and decided to move everything on a new server and kick out the old one
2430 [16:18:02] <choice> As I said, that would be an option. But a lot of hassle.
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2435 [16:18:59] <darxmurf> well, depends of how they configured their system
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2437 [16:19:05] <darxmurf> A migration can be quite smooth :-)
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2443 [16:20:44] <choice> Only if I could move the IP to another machine.
2444 [16:20:57] <choice> I will call them. Let's see if they have some info.
2445 [16:21:22] <choice> Not sure how easy it is to move an IP between machines.
2446 [16:21:42] <darxmurf> ifdown ifup :D
2447 [16:21:54] <choice> ?
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2450 [16:22:54] <darxmurf> you'll have a downtime anyway when you put down the "old" machine and "start" the new one
2451 [16:22:59] <darxmurf> but it's not that complicated
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2455 [16:24:07] <choice> Downtime is not acceptable.
2456 [16:24:15] <choice> It's not 1990 anymore :)
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2464 [16:25:23] <darxmurf> a few seconds of downtime ?
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2466 [16:25:38] <choice> Well, that's not the way to go.
2467 [16:26:02] <darxmurf> "rich peoples problems" :D
2468 [16:26:06] <choice> What kind of switch do you have in mind?
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2471 [16:26:35] <darxmurf> depends of the system
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2481 [16:31:57] <darxmurf> but honestly, what will you loose if you have like 20 sec on downtime on your server ? :-)
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2495 [16:38:04] <choice> Well, I don't know which approach you have in mind.
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2501 [16:40:01] <darxmurf> I suppose you don't have 100Tb of data on your server ?
2502 [16:40:14] <choice> Transerfing the data is not an issue.
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2504 [16:40:51] <darxmurf> then a 1st copy from A to B, then shutdown A, resync the eventual changes to B and start B
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2506 [16:41:12] <choice> That is not a problem at all. Problem is that all the requests still go to the IP of A.
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2508 [16:41:58] <darxmurf> Well, the IP will move from A to B... the 2 machines will never be UP at the same time
2509 [16:42:22] <choice> I cannot move the IP.
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2512 [16:42:41] <darxmurf> you won't do it, ask the hosting company to move the VPS to another server
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2514 [16:42:56] <choice> I just tried to call them.
2515 [16:43:02] <darxmurf> maybe that's why you don't understand what I'm thinking about :-)
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2517 [16:43:11] <choice> They don't even give you telephone access to any technical people.
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2519 [16:43:20] <darxmurf> it's not your job to move the machine, it's their job.
2520 [16:43:24] <choice> So synchronizing something like that with them seems out of the question.
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2522 [16:43:29] <choice> I would not trust them with it.
2523 [16:43:52] <choice> I would just spin up a new VPS, have both running and change the DNS entries of all domains to the new one.
2524 [16:44:03] <darxmurf> well, if you don't trust your hosting company... change...
2525 [16:44:04] <darxmurf> :D
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2529 [16:44:17] <choice> I don't know any hosting company I would trust to do anything manually.
2530 [16:44:25] <choice> They all don't give you access to people anymore.
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2532 [16:44:38] <choice> If they don't have a button for something, better don't try to trigger it.
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2534 [16:45:29] <darxmurf> well... rent a space on a datacenter and put your own server there :-)
2535 [16:45:48] <choice> Then I have many more problems then now.
2536 [16:45:56] <choice> Now I can just move my stuff to another VPS.
2537 [16:46:06] <darxmurf> voilà :-)
2538 [16:46:14] <choice> If something physical breaks in *my* server, I am at the mercy of somebody to fix it.
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2541 [16:46:43] <darxmurf> well then install two redundant machines :D
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2547 [16:47:31] <iodev> choice: or dump the physical and go cloud!
2548 [16:47:56] <choice> I am cloud already.
2549 [16:48:09] <roid> testing
2550 [16:48:14] <darxmurf> or just don't care about the few seconds of CPU peak and have a beer on a terrasse in the sun
2551 [16:48:23] <darxmurf> ;-)
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2554 [16:49:17] <ben25> hello again
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2556 [16:49:31] <ben25> another problem
2557 [16:49:46] <choice> darxmurf: I don't drink beer. I don't sit in the sun. And I don't have a terrasse.
2558 [16:49:47] <roid> ??
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2560 [16:50:03] <darxmurf> sad life dude
2561 [16:50:15] <ben25> the fonts of the UI of firefox and thunderbird are not ugly since the migration to debian 9
2562 [16:50:31] <ben25> is there something i can try tofix that up
2563 [16:50:32] <choice> Unugly fonts! How ugly!
2564 [16:50:44] <ben25> they are unaliased and thin
2565 [16:50:59] <mmpmmpmmp> and that's not ugly
2566 [16:51:03] <choice> ben25: Did you try to find an xcfe channel?
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2568 [16:51:18] <ben25> choice, i did
2569 [16:51:33] <ben25> choice, iand i succeeded finding it
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2571 [16:52:16] <ben25> choice, i also succeded at asking about my trouble with multi-screen setup not being saved
2572 [16:52:42] <ben25> i failed at having an answer and i finding a solution by myself though
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2577 [16:53:41] <choice> How would you guys combine the output of "date" and "cat /proc/loadavg" int one line?
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2579 [16:54:43] <somiaj> choice: various ways, one way could be echo `date` `cat /proc/loadavg`
2580 [16:54:53] <choice> somiaj: Awesome, thanks!
2581 [16:54:58] <ben25> damn
2582 [16:55:05] <ben25> i could have answer that
2583 [16:55:21] <ben25> although i would have use some $( i feel
2584 [16:56:02] <darxmurf> echo $(date)
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2588 [16:56:31] <darxmurf> can't remember when but somebody told me that $( is cleaner
2589 [16:56:54] <somiaj> #bash would be a place for the details on that
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2591 [16:57:00] <darxmurf> yep
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2593 [16:59:17] <darxmurf> and by the way, it's week-end time here folks
2594 [17:00:19] <somiaj> lucky, I'm on my way to work.
2595 [17:00:32] <darxmurf> timezones... :-)
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2705 [18:03:13] <HeXiLeD> any ideas about what this might be related too & how to solve ? usb 5-2.4.1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd java rqt 33 rq 9 len 8 ret -110. This USB port is used to connect a UPS and the OS runs a java/flash based application to access the ups.
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2746 [18:16:53] <Introoter> what session is default for gnome on debian, Xorg or wayland?
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2761 [18:21:54] <Trap-Chan> is it really so terrible to have an unseccured computer that is just acting as a DVD/movie player?
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2767 [18:24:15] <aguitel> how install propietaries driver in stretch for this:02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300/X550/X1050 Series] ?
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2773 [18:28:05] <jhutchins> !radeon
2774 [18:28:05] <dpkg> Radeon is a brand of graphic processing units by AMD/ATI (replaced-url
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2779 [18:30:56] <aguitel> but fglrx are not in stretch sources
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2785 [18:32:45] <towo`> aguitel, you don't need fglrx
2786 [18:32:56] <towo`> and btw, fglrx was abadoned by amd
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2789 [18:33:32] <aguitel> towo`, radeon is opensources , only this ?
2790 [18:33:55] <towo`> yes, radeon is the free driver and works very good
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2794 [18:34:37] <aguitel> ok
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2844 [18:54:40] <Dick-Hedd> hi, which is the social channel please
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2847 [18:55:09] <Trap-Chan> if i have ssh working is there a reason sftp shouldn't work?
2848 [18:55:27] <Dick-Hedd> Hi Trap, why are you running sftp??
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2850 [18:56:02] <Trap-Chan> because i was told it was the best way to move files between my windows machine and my linux machine other than constantly moving thumbdrives about.
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2852 [18:56:12] <Dick-Hedd> Oh dear.
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2854 [18:56:24] <Logg> samba share also works, but there's nothing wrong with sftp.
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2856 [18:56:30] <jelly> Trap-Chan: no particular reason
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2859 [18:56:33] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:15b7
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2861 [18:56:38] <Trap-Chan> i still have had no luck getting samba working on my linux machine.
2862 [18:56:39] <Dick-Hedd> SMB?
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2866 [18:57:46] <Logg> I think on the windows side, you just need a good sftp client like filezilla, and then you can put in your ssh credentials and sftp should "just work" from my experience Trap-Chan
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2869 [18:58:10] <jelly> Trap-Chan: can you sftp localhost from that system itself
2870 [18:58:12] <Trap-Chan> ohh nvm just tried the sftp again and it worked. must have been trying root and despite me not disabling root it seems i'm not allowed to ssh to it.
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2872 [18:58:23] <Dick-Hedd> root??
2873 [18:58:26] <Dick-Hedd> This gets worse
2874 [18:58:28] <Logg> it's good there's no problem Trap-Chan lol
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2876 [18:59:10] <jelly> Dick-Hedd: do you have a debian tech support question?
2877 [18:59:15] <disbute> When compiling from source how can you tell it to use a certain version of GCC ?
2878 [18:59:18] <Dick-Hedd> msg me trap
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2880 [18:59:25] <Trap-Chan> Dick-Hedd, i know that generally speaking you don't want to mess with root however being able to manipulate settings files for things like the SSH server or web servers REQUIRES root access.
2881 [18:59:32] <Dick-Hedd> I'm here to help, Jelly! Just let me know what I can help with :)
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2886 [19:00:24] <greycat> disbute: if it uses ./configure you can typically specify CC=/whatever
2887 [19:00:56] <Dick-Hedd> Always be careful when using root on FTP
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2889 [19:01:06] <greycat> disbute: otherwise, you'll have to adapt to whatever build system it's using, whether that's manually editing the Makefile, or *shudder* something horrible like cmake or imake/xmkmf
2890 [19:01:13] <Logg> Dick-Hedd, ftp =/= sftp
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2893 [19:01:23] <Dick-Hedd> Logg what is ftps vs sftp?
2894 [19:01:30] <jelly> Dick-Hedd: please only provide help with things you have specific hands-on knowledge with
2895 [19:01:34] <greycat> There is no such thing as ftps.
2896 [19:01:40] <Logg> those are different too, read on wikipedia Dick-Hedd
2897 [19:01:46] <disbute> sftp is just ftp using ssh
2898 [19:01:59] <Trap-Chan> sftp= ssh file transfer. total different beast as i understand it from ftp and secure ftp.
2899 [19:02:06] <jelly> Dick-Hedd: otherwise, keep quiet in here. I'd also suggest changing the nickname to something less offensive.
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2902 [19:02:38] <Logg> that's a pretty prestigious name
2903 [19:02:43] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> how different are ssh and SSL in terms of FTP
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2907 [19:03:02] <greycat> ssh and ssl have NOTHING to do with ftp at all
2908 [19:03:04] <Logg> all the information you need is on wikipedia Mr-IRC-Worldwide
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2910 [19:03:09] <Trap-Chan> ssl is just a licensing scheme where as ssh is a seccured tuneling protocol. no?
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2912 [19:03:30] <jelly> Mr-IRC-Worldwide: great. Now I feel comfortable pointing you to #debian-offtopic, our social channel, and ##chat seems to be the network-wide one; the latter often requires thick skin
2913 [19:03:41] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> thank you jelly
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2915 [19:04:12] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> what are the practical differences between using ftps and sftp
2916 [19:04:43] <disbute> #networking would be better for those kind of questions
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2918 [19:04:48] <greycat> sftp is an actual thing that exists and works
2919 [19:05:17] <jelly> technically ftp now has tls extensions and things can be made to work in a safe manner
2920 [19:05:55] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> when using sftp do you need to enter a certificate as well as a pw
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2923 [19:06:19] <jhutchins_wk> vim question: I have a list of hostnames. I want to append the same domain string to each line.
2924 [19:06:23] <disbute> just need the service
2925 [19:06:25] <greycat> sftp uses the SSH protocol for its underlying transport, so you just authenticate as you would with ssh
2926 [19:06:27] <jelly> Mr-IRC-Worldwide: you need exactly the same things you'd need for ssh.
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2928 [19:06:33] <Trap-Chan> Mr-IRC-Worldwide, it depends on how your ssh is configured
2929 [19:06:35] <RoyK> jelly: except if you're behind NAT, when it's impossible to do things properly
2930 [19:07:01] <RoyK> jelly: just don't use FTP, or paper tape backups
2931 [19:07:03] <jelly> RoyK: I'm behind NAT and have downloaded stuff from ibm's public ftp sites that require TLS.
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2934 [19:07:35] <jelly> not using it if I don't have to
2935 [19:07:36] <RoyK> jelly: must be in passive mode, then
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2938 [19:08:09] <Trap-Chan> wow...why is the font on my xwindow so tiny on my windows machine but the same xwindow looks fine on my HTPC?
2939 [19:08:14] <jelly> RoyK: as I said, > can be made to work in a safe manner
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2941 [19:08:25] <jelly> safe, not sane
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2948 [19:11:16] <jelly> Trap-Chan: that will often depend on your X server settings (DPI and other)
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2951 [19:11:44] <Trap-Chan> so i need to mess around with xming? cool thanx
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2953 [19:12:16] <Trap-Chan> hrm doesn't seem to have a gui or menu configuration. guess i need to mess with files. :P
2954 [19:12:27] <jelly> Trap-Chan: it's very possible xming doesn't deal well with high dpi outputs
2955 [19:12:36] <Logg> xrandr will let you set your dpi settings too Trap-Chan
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2958 [19:13:11] <jelly> !xming
2959 [19:13:11] <dpkg> Xming is a free X server for Microsoft Windows XP/2008/7, with no dependency on <Cygwin>. replaced-url
2960 [19:13:23] <jelly> no mention of support venues
2961 [19:13:34] <jelly> maybe people in ##windows know
2962 [19:13:38] <RoyK> jelly: heh - even kenrel.org has abandoned ftp ;) replaced-url
2963 [19:13:56] <Trap-Chan> huh no mention of 10... hope that isn't the source of the issue. :P
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2965 [19:14:09] <jelly> dpkg: factinfo xming
2966 [19:14:10] <dpkg> xming -- created by jelly <n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr> at Tue Oct 14 14:02:02 2008 (3237 days); last modified at Mon Mar 28 12:29:00 2011 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@chmmr.gsimmons.org; it has been requested 10 times, last by jelly, 59s ago.
2967 [19:14:25] <jelly> Trap-Chan: the was no 10 in '11
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2969 [19:14:44] <greycat> RoyK: \o/
2970 [19:14:53] <Trap-Chan> lolz. the :P meant i was being silly and razzing you.
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2973 [19:15:40] <jelly> rarely used factoids get rare updates
2974 [19:15:47] <jelly> Trap-Chan: are you running windows 10?
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2976 [19:16:06] <jelly> feel free to update the factoid :-)
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2979 [19:16:32] <Trap-Chan> indeed. needed it or 8 to access the windows store games that i opted not to get an xbox one for because they were also on PC. :P 10 in my experience is more stable than 8.
2980 [19:17:06] <RoyK> < jelly > Trap-Chan: are you running windows 10? (said in the tones of "are you snorting anthrax spores?")
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2982 [19:17:45] <greycat> That's not how I read it. I read it as a straight question.
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2985 [19:17:58] * RoyK is just a troll :)
2986 [19:18:00] <jelly> dpkg, xming =~ s/7/7 and later/
2987 [19:18:01] <dpkg> OK, jelly
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2992 [19:19:11] <jelly> clearly, a Very Important and Usefuf Fix
2993 [19:19:26] <Logg> very future proof too
2994 [19:19:34] <greycat> 6 years in the making
2995 [19:19:45] <jelly> dpkg: factinfo ftp must DIE
2996 [19:19:45] <dpkg> ftp must die -- created by greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> at Thu Aug 25 12:07:46 2005 (4383 days); last modified at Tue Apr 25 23:52:35 2017 by themill!~stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 555 times, last by jmcnaught, 2d 14h 39m 2s ago.
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2998 [19:20:35] <jelly> Still Alive o/~
2999 [19:20:41] <Trap-Chan> huh, mr head prolly likes that factoid. :P
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3003 [19:21:23] <Trap-Chan> jelly, i always wondered is that emote supposed to be a guy holding up his arm with a smelly armpit or long arm hair?
3004 [19:22:01] <jelly> Trap-Chan: some people in here can't see a ♪
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3007 [19:22:16] <Trap-Chan> ?
3008 [19:22:23] <jelly> exactly.
3009 [19:22:31] <greycat> o/~ is an ASCII eighth note
3010 [19:22:35] <Trap-Chan> i see the 16th note. dunno what you mean.
3011 [19:22:43] <Trap-Chan> ohh i see it now.
3012 [19:22:49] <jelly> Trap-Chan: then you see it wrong as well
3013 [19:22:57] <Trap-Chan> 1/8? i thought the flag was 1/16
3014 [19:23:00] <Logg> I thought it was a man waving
3015 [19:23:05] <greycat> replaced-url
3016 [19:23:15] <jelly> 1/16 has a double flag
3017 [19:23:16] <greycat> double flag is 16th note
3018 [19:23:23] <Trap-Chan> ahh right gotcha.
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3020 [19:25:51] <Trap-Chan> is there something odd about the daughter of a skater owning convers when the skater has never owned a pair herself?
3021 [19:26:06] <greycat> sounds like a question for #debian-offtopic
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3024 [19:26:57] <Trap-Chan> sorry just had an odd thought while tieing my daughters shoes.
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3028 [19:28:07] <Trap-Chan> oh hey, do any of you know if retro arch's library is broken? tried scanning a folder fulla SMS games and it found nada.
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3032 [19:29:37] <Logg> If it's in debian stable, it would be unlikely for such a serious bug to exist.
3033 [19:30:31] <Trap-Chan> that's what i'da expected. but yeah i had to manually browse to the game after selecting the SMS core.
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3035 [19:30:44] <mo1991_> I am running debian stretch on an older asus laptop. On boot, bluetooth doesn't load. But if I modprobe ath3k then it does work. Can someone explain why ath3k module is not loading automatically at boot? Is it blacklisted or something in stretch?
3036 [19:31:30] <jelly> mo1991_: no idea, but you can add it to /etc/modules to work around that
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3044 [19:32:46] <mo1991_> thanks jelly. It's been a while since I had to add modules to that file - thx for reminder it exists :)
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3046 [19:32:51] <mo1991_> rebooting
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3048 [19:33:02] <Trap-Chan> lolz i'd have added a shell script to the ~/autoload/ you guys told me about to do it... can you tell i'm a newb?
3049 [19:33:30] <mr__tea> Trap-Chan: oh well :) you are trying
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3053 [19:34:54] <jelly> as a non-newb I have no idea if something actually runs stuff in ~/autoload/ or not, it might even work?
3054 [19:35:14] <greycat> It doesn't sound like a directory that anything modern would use.
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3056 [19:35:56] <Trap-Chan> well it's how i am starting steam so i'm guessing it works.
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3059 [19:36:29] <Trap-Chan> i just had to put a desktop file in it. which you could use to call a shell script too.
3060 [19:36:36] <jelly> maybe you're on SteamOS and something there does things differently
3061 [19:36:43] <greycat> A foo.desktop file is definitely not a shell script.
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3065 [19:37:13] <Trap-Chan> jelly i'm on stretch debian. i installed steam and set it to autostart myself based on info from people here. :P
3066 [19:37:14] <jelly> or not, SteamOS would probably run Steam by default
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3069 [19:37:28] <jelly> Trap-Chan: hey, if it works, it works
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3071 [19:37:46] <Trap-Chan> greycat no but it can call one.
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3076 [19:38:45] <bamb> hi
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3078 [19:39:10] <bamb> i am reading the debian handbook here: replaced-url
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3082 [19:39:45] <bamb> it says ifupdown is old and shouldnt be used anymore
3083 [19:39:55] <greycat> Then that's wrong.
3084 [19:39:58] <bamb> what if i dont have X installed and cannot see the network-manager?
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3087 [19:40:09] <greycat> Ignore that section.
3088 [19:40:14] <bamb> ?
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3090 [19:40:28] <greycat> ifup and ifdown *are* still the standard tools for bringing interfaces up and down
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3092 [19:40:43] <bamb> greycat: so im trying to configure bridging
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3094 [19:41:13] <bamb> "5.3. The legacy network connection and configuration"
3095 [19:41:22] <bamb> thats where they talk about ifup/ifconfig ewtc
3096 [19:41:23] <bamb> etc
3097 [19:42:04] <annadane> greycat, why is it wrong? because it was written for jessie?
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3099 [19:42:25] <greycat> It's wrong because ifup and ifdown are the standard tools for bringing interfaces up and down in Debian.
3100 [19:42:33] <bamb> ok
3101 [19:42:34] <greycat> I don't care when they wrong it. It's still wrong.
3102 [19:42:35] <cruncher> bamb, just for the record, it says its "legacy", but not to "not to use it anymore"
3103 [19:42:38] <greycat> wrote*
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3105 [19:42:47] <annadane> i just wondered if it changed between jessie and stretch
3106 [19:42:55] <greycat> Lots of things changed, but not that one.
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3111 [19:43:21] <annadane> the reference manual is copyright 2013 which... may have been wheezy? i'd have to look it up
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3114 [19:43:52] <greycat> Someone probably thought that N-M was going to supersede ifupdown. This did not happen.
3115 [19:44:09] <bamb> how can i make a network bridge persist reboots?
3116 [19:44:18] <annadane> anyway, sorry. off topic, not the place for this
3117 [19:44:53] <Trap-Chan> another thing i'd use a shell script for. :P
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3123 [19:48:14] <`Kevin> bamb: etc/network/interfaces
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3133 [19:53:39] <jelly> bamb: man bridge-utils-interfaces, for examples
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3144 [19:57:22] <netzach> Hello
3145 [19:57:34] <netzach> I am reading this replaced-url
3146 [19:57:35] <judd> Bug replaced-url
3147 [19:57:46] <netzach> because I am pretty sure I had that bug when I did instal of zfs yesterday
3148 [19:58:21] <abrotman> netzach: which version of that package do you have installe?
3149 [19:58:24] <abrotman> installed
3150 [19:58:42] <abrotman> given it was fixed nearly a year ago, I'd guess stretch is fixed
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3155 [19:59:09] <`Kevin> ^
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3157 [19:59:18] <`Kevin> zfs works fine for me in stretch
3158 [19:59:34] <netzach> abrotman: the latest I assume, I did apt-get install,
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3160 [19:59:48] <abrotman> netzach: you can look and tell us the version
3161 [19:59:56] <netzach> abrotman: reading online it seems the error is shown in hte logs but zfs might still be installed properly
3162 [19:59:58] <greycat> ,v zfs-dkms
3163 [19:59:59] <judd> Package: zfs-dkms on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.9-2~bpo8+1; stretch/contrib: 0.6.5.9-5; jessie-backports-sloppy/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo8+1; stretch-backports/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1~bpo9+1; buster/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1; sid/contrib: 0.6.5.11-1
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3165 [20:00:09] * abrotman tells greycat about fishing ...
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3168 [20:00:28] <debian-kris> i can't login with lightdm anymore :/ startx
3169 [20:00:30] <netzach> it is 0.6.5.9-5 abrotman
3170 [20:00:36] <debian-kris> startx stilll works ?
3171 [20:00:36] <greycat> The version in stretch, according to judd right now, is higher than the version in the bug report where it says it was fixed.
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3173 [20:00:54] <abrotman> netzach: Fixed in version spl-linux/0.6.5.8-1
3174 [20:01:05] <debian-kris> after restart
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3177 [20:01:16] <`Kevin> netzach: pastebin your apt-get output
3178 [20:01:17] <debian-kris> i use mate.
3179 [20:01:36] <greycat> debian-kris: make sure all firmware is installed. dmesg | grep -i firmware
3180 [20:02:27] <netzach> replaced-url
3181 [20:02:35] <netzach> I took a photo instead, I can't ssh yet into my machine
3182 [20:02:53] <netzach> It is this replaced-url
3183 [20:03:07] <netzach> but as you see in the commend even with that make error zfs seems to work, or at least the module is loaded and it finishes installing
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3186 [20:04:00] <netzach> I am not sure if that github issue is the same as the bug report I pasted, but the error I get in the logs is the same
3187 [20:04:09] <netzach> but it still finishes installing and when I modprobe the module is loaded?
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3189 [20:06:10] <`Kevin> netzach:
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3191 [20:06:39] <`Kevin> try installing spl-dkms first
3192 [20:07:00] <netzach> `Kevin: but is it normal for the build to finish and still have errors in the logs?
3193 [20:07:09] <netzach> `Kevin: is it a bug if I get that or it's intended?
3194 [20:07:22] <greycat> maybe #zfs would have more expertise on this
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3196 [20:07:33] <greycat> or #zfsonlinux
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3198 [20:07:42] <`Kevin> netzach: its a dependency issue
3199 [20:07:54] <netzach> `Kevin: doesn't apt resolve dependencies?
3200 [20:08:04] <netzach> it installed linux-headers and a bunch of other stuff
3201 [20:08:07] <`Kevin> netzach: perhaps its a bug by the maintainer then
3202 [20:08:09] <bamb> why do i get this weird interface name like enp0s31f6 rather than simple eth0?
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3204 [20:08:13] <`Kevin> SPL is required first.
3205 [20:08:29] <greycat> bamb: replaced-url
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3208 [20:09:38] <netzach> replaced-url
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3210 [20:10:09] <`Kevin> netzach: yet I ran into this same issue :)
3211 [20:10:23] <BluesKaj> bamb, systemd naming convention changed your eth0 to that
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3213 [20:10:39] <netzach> `Kevin: ut what I can't figure is since it ended up doing the install and the module managed to load, does it mean it worked or failed in the end?
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3216 [20:11:01] <greycat> To see whether it worked, try to use it.
3217 [20:11:04] <`Kevin> netzach: likely it doesnt work, do the zfs commands work ? `sudo zpool list`
3218 [20:11:07] <`Kevin> ^
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3220 [20:11:28] <netzach> I havent tried yet `Kevin , the server isn't setup properly yet, and I don't have the cables yet
3221 [20:11:46] <kion> I am trying to install debian alonside windows10 this is my boss computer, when I get to the partitioning part, the installer does not tell me that it detected a windows system, how do I install without ruining his windows system?
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3223 [20:11:48] <netzach> so I can't really ssh into it, I have ot put it near me and switch the screen and ethernet cable and keyboard beetween this oc and the server
3224 [20:11:52] <netzach> I can't test it easily
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3226 [20:12:09] <netzach> kion: do you have a free partition on which to install?
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3228 [20:12:38] <kion> netzach, no, the hard drive is exactly as shipped with the windows os
3229 [20:12:42] <`Kevin> ok so take that advice and test it when you can, if zpool doesnt work install spl-dkms and then zfs-dkms and try again
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3232 [20:13:25] <kion> netzach, it has a bunch of little partitions and one big where I belive ws lives...
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3234 [20:14:22] <netzach> kion: if you don't have an empty partition to use you'll probably hhave to use windows software like paragon partition manager to resize an existing ntfs partition to make an empty one for linux
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3241 [20:15:08] <kion> netzach, ok I have not touched a windows computer in years! so is paragon open source?
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3243 [20:15:19] <netzach> unfortuantely no kion
3244 [20:15:37] <wildiness> hello there. Did: mount /dev/sdb1 /var/log With the intention of getting all logs written to a USB memory (sdb) to save the built in eMMC on my machine. But no logs are showing up in /var/log . How can a i force a log to be written?
3245 [20:15:38] <netzach> but that's what I did, if you go to windows and have say 2 disks, C and D, and they both contain files, to not lose data you'll have to either use paragon
3246 [20:15:45] <kion> I would love to be able to do it from the Debian installer with gparted or so...
3247 [20:15:52] <netzach> or you'll have to backup D, format it into 2 partitions , one for linux, and then copy the data back
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3249 [20:16:34] <grumble> would anyone happen to know the /etc/network/interfaces equivalent of trying to reach everything directly? (i.e. equivalent of "ip route add default dev eth0")
3250 [20:16:41] <kion> netzach, don't want to do that on a ws system....
3251 [20:17:15] <netzach> ws?
3252 [20:17:18] <kion> netzach, i remember that in my previous installations, the installer would detect the othe OS and leave it alone, how come now it does not?
3253 [20:17:36] <netzach> kion: even if it does detect it, you still have to choose a partition on which to install it, and I doubt you have a free one
3254 [20:17:40] <kion> ws=windows
3255 [20:17:41] <netzach> since both are used by linux and probably ntfs
3256 [20:18:04] <netzach> so without complex fs software like the paragon one, I doubt you'd be able to do the same with open source files, but I might be wrong
3257 [20:18:08] <kion> netzach, yes they were all ntfs
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3261 [20:18:21] <netzach> so you must find a way to make a new partition without losing data kion
3262 [20:18:35] <netzach> either you backup the data, split it into two partition andcopy the data back
3263 [20:18:48] <netzach> or you use something like paragon, maybe there are free/open soruce altertnatives
3264 [20:18:54] <netzach> I really don't know, it's been a while since I've done this
3265 [20:19:14] <netzach> also IDK about debian but ubuntu has/used to have a way to install itself directly into ntfs and use windows bootloader to bootstrap itself
3266 [20:19:16] <`Kevin> grumble: not specifying an IP ?
3267 [20:19:26] <netzach> IDK the tricks, but that might also be a possibility kion
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3270 [20:20:11] <kion> netzach, will grub play nice with w10 and Debian?
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3272 [20:20:30] <teraflops> kion: sure, why not?
3273 [20:20:56] <kion> teraflops, ok just trying to get rid of the deamons flying in my head :)
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3275 [20:21:25] <`Kevin> kion: its actually the other way arund ... w10 actually sometimes overwrites EFI causing linux to no longer boot
3276 [20:21:26] <grumble> `Kevin: I do have an address. My entire network set up is "ip l set dev eth0 up; up r add default dev eth0; ip a add 10.0.2.15/32 dev eth0" (virtualized networking on the guest); I can achieve getting the interface up and adding the IP address using /etc/network/interfaces (iface eth0 inet static \n address 10.0.2.15 \n netmask 255.255.255.255)
3277 [20:21:43] <netzach> I have no idea kion , I know windows 10 has this new UEFI signed platform thing, so you might have to change bios settings to make it work
3278 [20:21:48] <grumble> but I can't figure out how to do the equivalent of the "ip route add"
3279 [20:21:51] <netzach> it caused some controversy in the linux world when it was introduced kion
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3281 [20:22:16] <kion> netzach, I though that disabling the "secure boot" on the bios would suffice
3282 [20:22:20] <netzach> windows 10 requires UEFI signed os thing to work, but motherboards usually allow you to disable it
3283 [20:22:28] <teraflops> kion: indeed
3284 [20:22:30] <netzach> kion: can you boot with it disabled?
3285 [20:22:36] <netzach> I thought win 10 doesn't boot without that
3286 [20:22:48] <kion> netzach, Yes, at least my usb installer booted
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3288 [20:22:57] <netzach> kion: but does windows still boot?
3289 [20:22:59] <`Kevin> grumble: you could just do "up ip route add blah" under eth0
3290 [20:23:37] <netzach> idk the exact setting kion , I know it caused controvery wshen it was introduced, and ubuntu for example can even sign their isos for the secure boot thing
3291 [20:23:46] <grumble> hm! I guess that would work but it feels a bit like cheating
3292 [20:23:47] <netzach> and I think it is rare but you have some laptops that don't allow it to be disabled
3293 [20:24:37] <jhutchins> W10 will boot with "safe boot" disabled.
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3296 [20:25:33] <jhutchins> It was explicitly intended to prevent people from installing Linux. Customers 'splained to Intel that they were the ones buying the computers, not Microsoft. Intel yeilded optional control.
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3298 [20:25:39] <kion> netzach, yes Ws still boots
3299 [20:26:01] <`Kevin> grumble: agreed just i dont see an option for $dev instead of ip regarding gateway
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3301 [20:26:17] <netzach> then cool kion , but you hstill have to find a way to resize the partition, search on google maybe free ntfs resize partition utility?
3302 [20:26:24] <netzach> or check if there is a trial for paragon partition manager
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3304 [20:27:26] <black_13> how do you build a debian source package
3305 [20:27:29] <Tenkawa> you can resize partitions from a live debian install disc cant you?
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3307 [20:27:52] <jhutchins> Windows disk utility offers resizing I believe.
3308 [20:28:03] <teraflops> paragon? /me shrugs
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3310 [20:28:17] <netzach> Tenkawa: not ntfs AFAIK
3311 [20:28:22] <jhutchins> Tenkawa: MS is experimenting with some new formats that Linux doesn't have full support for yet.
3312 [20:28:24] <Tenkawa> jhutchins: yeah however not sure about its flexibility
3313 [20:28:31] <kion> seems like windows disk management does it from ws
3314 [20:28:31] <Tenkawa> hmm
3315 [20:28:45] <Tenkawa> i thought ntfs-3g was pretty good at that now too
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3317 [20:28:50] <netzach> idk last I installed linux on a windows machine and had the same use case that was a few years ago I had to do that
3318 [20:28:51] <teraflops> always deal with windows partitions from windows
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3322 [20:29:03] <teraflops> that's the only thing you have to know
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3324 [20:29:27] <netzach> ntfs-3g can corrupt your ntfs partition, in best case it renders it unfunctioning in windows but still functioning in linux
3325 [20:29:29] <jhutchins> Tenkawa: This has been since W10 came out I think, the install guide directed you to shrink with the Windows tool then create new partitions.
3326 [20:29:38] <Tenkawa> ah
3327 [20:29:41] <netzach> it can already allow same a folder and Folder which does not work on windows cause of case insensitibvity
3328 [20:29:48] <netzach> which breaks the partition under windows but not linux
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3330 [20:29:53] <jhutchins> Tenkawa: I don't know how well current parted handles the format, I'm sure they'll crack it eventually.
3331 [20:29:57] <Tenkawa> I usually have my own creative techniques anyway
3332 [20:30:07] <netzach> I doubt that jhutchins , not many linux guys use ntfs
3333 [20:30:08] <Tenkawa> heheheh
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3336 [20:30:28] <netzach> maybe the wine guys work on that, not sure
3337 [20:30:37] <netzach> or the guys that want to remake the windows kernel open source
3338 [20:30:42] * netzach shrugs
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3340 [20:31:13] <wildiness> hello there. Did: mount /dev/sdb1 /var/log With the intention of getting all logs written to a USB memory (sdb) to save the built in eMMC on my machine. But no logs are showing up in /var/log . How can i check if what i did worked? nothing shows in /mnt either
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3343 [20:31:50] <jhutchins> refs
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3346 [20:33:05] <kion> so we are trying within windows to resize and create the new partition
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3348 [20:33:13] <kion> thanks for the help
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3350 [20:33:44] <jhutchins> replaced-url
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3355 [20:35:51] <jhutchins> refs driver exists: replaced-url
3356 [20:36:07] <jhutchins> refs was introduced with Win8.
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3367 [20:40:58] <Trap-Chan> well still can't get games into the library/collection for retroarch... do you guys know if they support the debian port? found out kodi doesn't.
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3371 [20:42:50] <annadane> "debian port"... i mean it's packaged in the debian repository
3372 [20:42:56] <Logg> Trap-Chan, try #retroarch
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3374 [20:43:46] <Trap-Chan> annadane so id kodi. but they say that it is packaged by debian not them so they don't like people talking about it. apparently anyway.
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3377 [20:44:29] <jonfatino> quick question so I have debian 8.8 livecd (standard no gui)
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3379 [20:44:41] <jonfatino> could I just replace vmlinux (kernel) with debian 9 livecd kernel and everything be ok?
3380 [20:45:08] <Logg> no. Do a fresh install.
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3382 [20:45:20] <greycat> Are you booting from the live CD, or did you *install* it?
3383 [20:45:21] <Tenkawa> indeed
3384 [20:46:01] <person_> hello, in debian there is a package called keepass2, it's a password manager. I've used it for some time, but now I want to compile from source and the readme says (if I understand correctly) that some part of the code is secret. But if the program is in the debian repo then the program must be entirely free software, right?
3385 [20:46:29] <jonfatino> just booting livecd to run basic livetools (like rescue cd stuff)
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3389 [20:46:48] <Trap-Chan> huh...apparently the version of retroarch on debian is out of date...
3390 [20:46:54] <jonfatino> They don't have debian 9 livecd without GUI and I don't wanna download and remove 100's of packages
3391 [20:47:12] <greycat> jonfatino: ask #debian-live on the OFTC network (not this network)
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3396 [20:48:17] <jonfatino> ty
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3416 [20:55:43] <annadane> my inclination is that the code of keepass *shouldn't* be secret...
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3423 [20:56:56] <person_> I know, I hope I just understood it wrong and I was hoping someone here who ever compiled would explain
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3429 [20:59:54] <kion> is the swap area still 2 times ram? is this a good rule of thumb
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3432 [21:00:10] <greycat> I think most people consider that overkill now.
3433 [21:00:31] <Logg> person_, I don't use keepass2, but I can offer "pass" as an alternative if you can't figure it out.
3434 [21:01:16] <annadane> person_, out of interest which readme?
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3436 [21:01:22] <person_> Logg: thanks, I will check it out and look for some other alternatives too
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3438 [21:03:00] <person_> annadane: when you download keepass2 2.36 source there is a readme that says: "All projects contain dummy PFX files. These PFX files are NOT the ones with which the KeePass distributions are signed, these are kept secret. In order to unlock the private keys of the dummy PFX files, use: "123123" (without the quotes)"
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3440 [21:03:44] <annadane> person_, and where do you download it from? debian repository?
3441 [21:04:06] <annadane> if not it's possible the keepass in debian is different from the one the readme is referencing
3442 [21:04:10] <person_> annadane: from their website: replaced-url
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3444 [21:04:24] <person_> oh right I didn't think of that
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3447 [21:05:10] <annadane> if you were to install keepass with apt install keepass2 and look in the filesystem for the readme that comes with it...
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3449 [21:05:29] <annadane> (there's a special place where docs go which i can't remember at the moment)
3450 [21:05:43] <annadane> it's possible in theory that there's secrets but seeing as how common keepass is i would doubt it
3451 [21:05:55] <annadane> i could very well be wrong though
3452 [21:06:11] <person_> it seems very unlikely to me too
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3454 [21:06:24] <Logg> I use this cute script to autotype passwords person_ replaced-url
3455 [21:06:25] <person_> I will try looking for the file
3456 [21:06:34] <annadane> person_, alternatively, you could contact the maintainer
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3459 [21:06:50] <annadane> provided no one here knows the answer unambiguously
3460 [21:07:04] <person_> annadane: I tried asking on irc, couldn't even find their repo or build instructions
3461 [21:07:17] <annadane> person_, i mean the maintainer for the one in debian
3462 [21:07:42] <person_> Logg: I'm not sure what it does exactly but looks pretty cool!
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3465 [21:08:03] <annadane> person_, see replaced-url
3466 [21:08:12] <person_> annadane: that's true, but it might not be worth it and I will probably look for alternatives instead
3467 [21:08:40] <annadane> i guess there's also the usual channels of mailing lists, debian.org forum blah blah
3468 [21:09:01] <Logg> It makes a popup window asking what account it should autotype the password for, then plays an audio file to let me know it's done typing.
3469 [21:09:13] <person_> thanks :) I might try that, but it annoys me that it's so hard to find that out
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3472 [21:09:32] <annadane> i'm not an expert. there may be a simple answer to your question which i'm too stupid to provide (:
3473 [21:09:37] <person_> Logg: where does it take passwords from?
3474 [21:09:58] <Logg> "pass"'s encrypted database
3475 [21:10:07] <person_> annadane: don't worry, you've helped me get a little closer :)
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3478 [21:10:39] <person_> Logg: nice!
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3489 [21:15:06] <jhutchins> ,v calibre
3490 [21:15:07] <judd> Package: calibre on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1; wheezy-security: 0.8.51+dfsg1-0.1+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.22.0+dfsg1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 2.5.0+dfsg-1; jessie-backports: 2.75.1+dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.75.1+dfsg-1; buster: 3.4.0+dfsg-1; sid: 3.4.0+dfsg-1
3491 [21:15:10] <wildiness> hello there. Did: mount /dev/sdb1 /var/log With the intention of getting all logs written to a USB memory (sdb) to save the built in eMMC on my machine. But no logs are showing up in /var/log . How can i check if what i did worked? nothing shows in /mnt either
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3515 [21:24:28] <Logg> wildiness, maybe try mounting /dev/sdb1 to a normal location, then make a symbolic link
3516 [21:24:48] <Tenkawa> cheers all
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3521 [21:26:43] <jhutchins> wildiness: Many programs require that the logfile exist when they try to write to it, and usually will not close the current log file unless they are restarted.
3522 [21:27:05] <jhutchins> wildiness: You could try running logrotate, which usually performs those tasks.
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3525 [21:30:05] <Maid-Chan> ok somethign is wrong with my debian suddenly. it's loosing network sporatically now.
3526 [21:30:31] <person_> wifi or lan?
3527 [21:30:38] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: What changed?
3528 [21:30:52] <Maid-Chan> lan
3529 [21:30:58] <Logg> Maid-Chan, try living in a live-cd for a while and see if it improves. if not, hardware issue.
3530 [21:31:13] <person_> might be your ISP also
3531 [21:31:24] <Maid-Chan> and as far as i know nothing. i didn't get any new packages or anything. the only possible change is an increase in net load.
3532 [21:31:26] <Quatroking> so... when I start up qbittorrent or firefox my debian VM freezes up
3533 [21:31:44] <Quatroking> and i have no clue why
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3535 [21:31:50] <Maid-Chan> person_, but then ping and local ssh wouldn't cut out too, would it?
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3537 [21:32:02] <jhutchins> Quatroking: Start the programs within the VM?
3538 [21:32:12] <Quatroking> Yeah
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3540 [21:32:21] <person_> Maid-Chan: they would not
3541 [21:32:48] <Quatroking> doesn't respond to any input at all and all I can do is reboot
3542 [21:33:08] <jhutchins> Quatroking: Hardware failure is possible, possibly the port on the switch or the switch/router, but look for errors in dmesg and /var/log/syslog.
3543 [21:33:24] <person_> Maid-Chan: and network probably load shouldn't change anything
3544 [21:33:31] <Quatroking> well it's not like network activity is an issue, transmission and ssh run just fine
3545 [21:33:38] <jhutchins> Quatroking: What virtualizer, what host, and what specs?
3546 [21:33:41] <person_> Maid-Chan: if it's a normal home network
3547 [21:33:45] <Quatroking> so do plex, sonarr, radarr, virtual radar and a bunch of other network programs
3548 [21:34:03] <Maid-Chan> it wasn't until i started sftping vast ammount of roms that the first cutout happened.
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3550 [21:34:19] <Quatroking> esxi 6.5 on a Gen8 Microserver G1610T with 8GB RAM, the VM has 4GB assigned
3551 [21:34:24] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: Again, start with the logs.
3552 [21:34:37] <person_> Maid-Chan: sounds like it could be the cause then
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3554 [21:35:39] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: Look at the packet statistics for the device as well.
3555 [21:35:54] <Maid-Chan> i have no idea how to check either.
3556 [21:36:05] <Quatroking> uhhhh okay I think I found an issue
3557 [21:36:29] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: less /var/log/syslog
3558 [21:36:29] <Quatroking> "Message from HPGen8ESXi: The CPU has been disabled by the guest operating system."
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3560 [21:36:39] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: dmesg | less
3561 [21:36:41] <Quatroking> I'll head over to #vmware, see if they know this error
3562 [21:36:52] <Maid-Chan> what's less?
3563 [21:36:52] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: ifconfig
3564 [21:36:59] <Quatroking> turning off cpus is generally a bad thing, I believe
3565 [21:37:07] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: ethtool <device>
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3567 [21:37:20] <jhutchins> Maid-Chan: less is a "pager", allows you to scroll and search.
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3569 [21:37:53] <jhutchins> Quatroking: I've had better luck with Virtualbox in desktop environments.
3570 [21:38:08] <jhutchins> Quatroking: MUCH better performance.
3571 [21:38:18] <Quatroking> it's a virtual server that I've been running since november, it's been doing well
3572 [21:38:34] <Quatroking> I run some other small VMs alongside it
3573 [21:39:27] <wildiness> thanks Logg jhutchins . problem is i lost everything in /var/log it is empty now. also i don't understand logrotate, it seems to do nothing.
3574 [21:40:05] <greycat> well, it would not do anything if you have literally no log files
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3578 [21:41:34] <wildiness> greycat: ok, how can i force a program to write a log to see if it works?
3579 [21:42:00] <greycat> echo "testing 1 2 3" | logger
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3581 [21:42:36] <jhutchins> wildiness: If you mount a blank drive to /var/log, var log will be empty until you unmount it.
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3583 [21:43:21] <greycat> logger communicates with rsyslogd (or whatever you use as a syslog daemon) and should write to /var/log/messages and other files, depending on your how your syslog daemon is configured
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3585 [21:44:56] <wildiness> ok i rebooted and the logs are back in /var/log, which i guess means i didnt mount correctly earlier.
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3596 [21:49:04] <wildiness> ln --symbolic /var/logs /media/server1/LogStick ?? does that look ok?
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3598 [21:50:10] <greycat> I have no idea what you are trying to do, or why you think creating a symlink inside /media/server1/ that points to a nonexistent directory is a good idea.
3599 [21:50:57] <greycat> But in any case, no, that doesn't look OK to me. Not at a glance, anyway.
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3603 [21:51:26] <wildiness> i want /var/log to be wirtten to a usb memory instead of the main drive to save write/read cycles. where LogStick is the intended target for all the logs to get written.
3604 [21:52:06] <greycat> And you intend to leave this USB device attached permanently?
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3606 [21:52:18] <Logg> writing to usb storage should be slower than writing to disk.
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3609 [21:53:37] <greycat> If you want this USB device to be the new permanent /var/log, then:
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3611 [21:53:56] <wildiness> yes it a small headless server with eMMC storage i don't want to waste it. also it is usb 3
3612 [21:53:57] <greycat> 1) make a UNIX type file system on the device. ext3, ext4, xfs, something like that. not vfat. not ntfs.
3613 [21:54:17] <greycat> 2) plug in the device and mount it to a TEMPORARY location.
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3617 [21:54:40] <greycat> 3) cd /var/log && rsync -av . /mounted/usb/device/
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3619 [21:55:00] <greycat> 4) get the USB file system's UUID and put it in /etc/fstab to be mounted as /var/log
3620 [21:55:09] <greycat> 5) unmount USB device
3621 [21:55:25] <greycat> 6) mount /var/log # LITERALLY this command because you are testing your fstab entry
3622 [21:55:29] <greycat> 7) reboot
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3624 [21:56:26] <wildiness> greycat: Thank you very much
3625 [21:56:42] <lajto__> Hi! I want to buy a new PC, but I don't want to make the wrong choice with the hardware. I want a dual boot Debian(for programming)/Windows(for gaming). Any recommendations?
3626 [21:57:28] <Logg> I'd use an older graphics card, since the drivers are more mature/well supported.
3627 [21:57:37] <teraflops> amdgpu looks promising
3628 [21:57:42] <jelly> greycat, wildiness: I'd probably add with 5.5) mv /var/log /var/log.old && mkdir /var/log
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3632 [21:58:00] <greycat> yeah, that's sane
3633 [21:58:11] <jelly> else the old data gets hidden behind the mountpoint and cannot be freed
3634 [21:58:43] <greycat> of course you should also cd out of /var/log after step 3
3635 [21:59:18] <lajto__> But amdgpu needs amdgpu-pro to work well.
3636 [21:59:18] <jelly> that one just shows someone did not bother remembering rsync's finicky syntax ;-)
3637 [21:59:25] <`Kevin> lajto__: programming is fairly straight forward unless you are doing something lower level with specific hardware, gaming otoh is not (your hw purchase should be based on that for the most part)
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3639 [21:59:47] <greycat> I'd rather use a simple rsync command that I know will work than trust that I can comprehend some new weird option on the fly.
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3641 [22:00:24] <jelly> greycat: it's not new, but different behaviour using foo and foo/ as source is... finicky.
3642 [22:00:32] <greycat> new to me
3643 [22:00:49] <Ad1Tech_> emergency question, where can I find deb packeges for Debian 6?
3644 [22:00:57] <greycat> I know what you mean, though. I just don't trust myself to get the trailing slash right.
3645 [22:01:00] <jelly> !archive
3646 [22:01:00] <dpkg> i guess archive is a collection of files. 'tar', 'ar', 'cpio' are all archiving tools. This is *not* the same as compression, which is a separate operation. Debian Archives is the repository for old Debian releases, see replaced-url
3647 [22:01:05] <jelly> nope
3648 [22:01:07] <jelly> !ado
3649 [22:01:08] <dpkg> Debian has archives of no-longer-supported releases at replaced-url
3650 [22:01:08] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
3651 [22:01:13] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: ^^
3652 [22:01:19] <annadane> !pizza
3653 [22:01:19] <dpkg> hmm... pizza is the prime geek fuel supply, if it is greasy. or a functional language for the Java virtual machine or at replaced-url
3654 [22:01:26] <greycat> !squeeze sources.list
3655 [22:01:26] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" has two lines: "deb replaced-url
3656 [22:01:29] <annadane> ...i... did not expect that to work
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3658 [22:01:47] <Ad1Tech_> jelly: I need to download some packages using web browser
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3660 [22:02:00] <greycat> Ad1Tech_: well, have fun.
3661 [22:02:06] <Ad1Tech_> and upload it to old server whitch havent got internet
3662 [22:02:14] <greycat> Ad1Tech_: well, have even more fun.
3663 [22:02:17] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: if you have a squeeze installation, it's easier to do it the way greycat suggested
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3665 [22:02:40] <jelly> but yeah, without an internet connection or a proxy, that won't be easy
3666 [22:02:43] <Ad1Tech_> replaced-url
3667 [22:02:54] <greycat> !snapshot
3668 [22:02:54] <dpkg> replaced-url
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3670 [22:03:03] <Ad1Tech_> but I can't see deb packages
3671 [22:03:06] <greycat> For manual one-by-one package downloads, use snapshot.
3672 [22:03:09] <lajto__> `Kevin: I want the best support with GNU/Linux. That's why I ask. I don't want tearing or fan problems, for example.
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3675 [22:03:49] <lajto__> Some years ago my NVIDIA card had a terrible support in Nouveau.
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3677 [22:04:08] <greycat> nouveau is still bad for some chipsets
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3679 [22:04:10] <jelly> snapshot.d.o seems to have data loss issues every couple years, I trust archive.d.o more
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3681 [22:04:24] <lajto__> I saw some benchmarks of Nouveau in Phoronix using last cards and they are... u_u
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3686 [22:04:54] <jelly> lajto__: benchmarks are less useful than stability and correctness of a driver
3687 [22:04:59] <greycat> if you aren't gaming, just get a reasonably aged Intel box
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3689 [22:05:23] <teraflops> lajto__: go for amdgpu pro supported card then
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3691 [22:05:45] <Ad1Tech_> hmm, thx guys, i'm searching packages on snapshot web page
3692 [22:06:05] <Mahe> hey guys, I've replaced gdm3 with lxdm on my Debian 9.1 system. Now it always boots to tty1 still, but lxdm starts on tty7 so I always have to ctrl+alt+F7 after the bootscreen. Any idea how to configure my system to boot to tt7 automatically instead?
3693 [22:06:21] <teraflops> I like intel GPUs but they are not definitely good for gaming hard
3694 [22:06:38] <jelly> I don't like intel gpu drivers
3695 [22:06:56] <teraflops> yeah _drivers_ sucks
3696 [22:06:57] <jelly> they accumulate bugs for older cards after 2-3 years
3697 [22:07:03] <lajto__> But AMD website says Ubuntu 16.04 and SUSE, Red Hat or CentOS.
3698 [22:07:10] <`Kevin> lajto__: didnt you say gaming in windows not linux?
3699 [22:07:12] <teraflops> that's why youre better doing modesetting imo
3700 [22:07:35] <jelly> teraflops: that's just ddx, 20% of the driver stack
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3702 [22:08:06] <Ad1Tech_> hmm I cant find package for exFAT
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3704 [22:08:29] <Ad1Tech_> it looks like it is needed to mount disk
3705 [22:08:33] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: for squeeze? You won't, there probably isn't one
3706 [22:08:50] <greycat> What disk, what is exfat, and why do you think it's needed?
3707 [22:08:56] <jelly> ,v exfat-fuse
3708 [22:08:57] <judd> Package: exfat-fuse on amd64 -- wheezy: 0.9.7-2+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.0.1-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.1.0-2+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 1.2.5-2~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.2.5-2; buster: 1.2.7-1; sid: 1.2.7-1
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3710 [22:09:08] <teraflops> more than fine for watching HD videos using vaapi, web browsing and whatnot, and here it fixed tearing while using xorg
3711 [22:09:14] <jelly> greycat: it's "not fat64"
3712 [22:09:14] <gunix> do you guys use the latest nvidia drivers or the default debian 375 ones?
3713 [22:09:16] <lajto__> `Kevin: Yes, but in Linux I don't want graphics problems. I mean videos, GNOME/KDE effects, etc.
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3715 [22:09:53] <Ad1Tech_> Debian 6 fdisk says - /dev/sdd1 * 1 60801 488376000 7 HPFS/NTFS
3716 [22:10:14] <jelly> gunix: the ones from debian if they work. If they don't work, then I usually also wait for debian to package the latest and put it in experimental
3717 [22:10:16] <Ad1Tech_> my Xubuntu 16.04 LTS says - /dev/sdb1 * 64 976752063 976752000 3,7T 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
3718 [22:10:29] <greycat> gunix: if I had an nvidia card, which I don't, I would install whatever drivers are recommended on the Debian nvidia wiki page, *not* the upstream nvidia.com web page
3719 [22:10:41] <gunix> greycat: why is that ?
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3721 [22:10:56] <Ad1Tech_> it is 4TB HDD
3722 [22:11:05] <greycat> because people in this channel who *do* have nvidia cards have better experience that way than any other way
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3724 [22:11:25] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: move the files using a smaller hdd with fat32 or ntfs (or better, a linux filesystem) on it
3725 [22:11:30] <greycat> Ad1Tech_: the label in fdisk is just a comment
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3730 [22:11:54] <jmcnaught> gunix: the Debian way uses packages that you can upgrade or remove, the Nvidia installer script way sprays files all over your filesystem, potentially conflicting with packages and being difficult to remove
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3733 [22:12:19] <Ad1Tech_> i haven't got any other disk now
3734 [22:12:59] <lajto__> teraflops: So you say that amdgpu (without-pro) will be fine with an AMD Radeon RX 560 to do anything except gaming?
3735 [22:13:01] <jelly> gunix: debian repackages nvidia drivers to play well with debian's packaging system. nvidia's original installer makes a mess (and the mess is not visible right away)
3736 [22:13:36] <greycat> Ad1Tech_: so wait, there isn't actually any data *on* this exfat thing that you care about? You just need to use that physical disk as the sneakernet vector? Make a new file system on it.
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3741 [22:14:20] <Ad1Tech_> greycat: my client have a lot of important data on this disk
3742 [22:14:26] <greycat> Alternative, go to your nearest retail store of any kind and grab a cheap USB stick.
3743 [22:14:34] <kaliko> hallo
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3745 [22:14:38] <Ad1Tech_> and he gave it to me to make backup from old server
3746 [22:14:51] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: use a different disk, then
3747 [22:14:51] <Ad1Tech_> and reinstall Debian to newer version
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3750 [22:15:01] <kaliko> how i can hack
3751 [22:15:13] <Ad1Tech_> i haven't got any other disk
3752 [22:15:21] <imfearless> @kaliko how can u english
3753 [22:15:25] <Ad1Tech_> shops are closed too
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3755 [22:15:28] <n4dir> first of all: learn spelling.
3756 [22:15:34] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: or go the other way round: instead of booting debian 6 on the server, boot ubuntu 16.04 from a stick or cd/dvd
3757 [22:15:37] <greycat> I'm still confused. Do you need to copy the data CURRENTLY SITTING ON this ntfs/exfat/whatever or are you just using some of the EMPTY space on the device?
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3759 [22:15:52] <kaliko> my name abdou i want to learn how i hack
3760 [22:16:14] <greycat> kaliko: you are in the wrong place.
3761 [22:16:16] <Ad1Tech_> jelly: hmm... is it possible to read from RAID then?
3762 [22:16:32] <netzach> Hello
3763 [22:16:38] <netzach> why is /boot/grub.cfg readonly?
3764 [22:16:44] <netzach> I am trying to safe a flag permantently there
3765 [22:16:47] <kaliko> whay
3766 [22:16:52] <netzach> should I make it not readonly?
3767 [22:16:57] <jelly> kaliko: this channel is about debian. You'll want to learn operating system basics, and programming basics, first.
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3769 [22:17:07] <teraflops> lajto__: amdgpu/amdgpu pro looks promising, and think about youre making a purchase for several years
3770 [22:17:14] <greycat> netzach: for starters, it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg
3771 [22:17:20] <netzach> I meant that greycat
3772 [22:17:25] <greycat> netzach: second, that file gets overwritten every time you run update-grub
3773 [22:17:25] <kaliko> html or c++ or c or kali linux
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3775 [22:17:38] <n4dir> kaliko: there you go: replaced-url
3776 [22:17:40] <jelly> kaliko: programming or security or #kali may be a better place to ask
3777 [22:17:42] <teraflops> I also avoid nvidia because they are doing really silly things these days
3778 [22:17:47] <netzach> so how should I edit it then greycat ?
3779 [22:17:50] <netzach> I should chmod it?
3780 [22:18:01] <greycat> netzach: read the comments at the start of the file.
3781 [22:18:13] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: yes.
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3783 [22:18:29] <jscoder> I have transmission-daemon running on a remote jessie box, it was set to download to /media/user/My Passport/Downloads which is ntfs and was mounted as debian-transmission:debian-transmission but apparently the drive got unplugged at some point and is now automounted user:user to /media/user/My Passport2/ and stuff is still downloading and I'm not sure wth its saving it to, because it can't be saving it
3784 [22:18:35] <jscoder> to the drive anymore
3785 [22:18:44] <lajto__> Is Linux prepared for Ryzen 7? I read about segmentation faults compiling. :S
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3787 [22:18:55] <netzach> greycat: the issue is that the files in /etc/grub.d don't have the arguments when booting linux, I saw an $(args) there but it must be passed from somewhere else
3788 [22:18:58] <netzach> so IDK what to edit
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3790 [22:19:00] <lajto__> (or at least, Linux version of Debian stable)
3791 [22:19:02] <kaliko> iwant to learn html
3792 [22:19:03] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: unless you have a really weird really old hw raid controller that only has drivers in squeeze
3793 [22:19:05] <greycat> netzach: /etc/default/grub
3794 [22:19:10] <Ad1Tech_> well, i think i can try
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3797 [22:19:43] <netzach> greycat: I see, why that tho?
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3799 [22:19:54] <greycat> because that's where update-grub reads the stuff
3800 [22:20:24] <netzach> so after that I must call update-grub?
3801 [22:20:29] <jelly> Ad1Tech_: after you boot a newer linux from a stick (like that ubuntu 16.04) and connect your "backup" disk with exfat, run "lsblk" and "blkid", that output will be useful for any next questions you're going to ask
3802 [22:20:31] <netzach> so that means I can edit it directly then
3803 [22:20:37] <netzach> just risk it being overriten next update-grub
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3805 [22:20:45] <greycat> netzach: don't be an idiot
3806 [22:21:09] <netzach> :\
3807 [22:21:10] <netzach> ok
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3812 [22:22:54] <Maid-Chan> oh hey. can grub be customized? i wouldn't min if it showed an image for the 5 second period and then input would hide the 'splash screen' allowing for interaction with the menu. also if there was a way to force it to render at 1600x900 since that doesn't give me any overscan.
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3814 [22:23:30] <netzach> yes Maid-Chan
3815 [22:23:51] <Maid-Chan> how would i go about making those changes?
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3818 [22:24:04] <jelly> Maid-Chan: no idea, but most TV sets can be configured to not do overscan
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3820 [22:24:32] <Maid-Chan> i haven't found an option on my sanyo
3821 [22:24:33] <jelly> usually by setting input name or input type to "PC"
3822 [22:24:36] <netzach> help I've opened the heatsink on my mobo and it has some yellow stuff around it, should I remove it before applying new thermal paste?
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3824 [22:25:11] <jelly> (some brands and models it's literally the typed in custom name)
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3826 [22:26:00] <`Kevin> lajto__: i havent used linux on my ryzen but yea from what im reading i would skip ryzen on linux given amd doesn't seem to be releasing much info on those segfaults
3827 [22:26:02] <jelly> netzach: that question is better suited for ##hardware channel
3828 [22:26:19] <Maid-Chan> jelly i don't have the ability to name the HDMI inputs sadly. :P
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3831 [22:26:56] <kaliko> qan you learn me how i hack
3832 [22:27:10] <jelly> kaliko: you have just asked that in here 5 minutes ago
3833 [22:27:30] <wildiness> greycat: So i did what you said witht the /var/log on usb and i think it worked. thank you.
3834 [22:27:50] <kaliko> iwnt to beacame a hacker it my drame
3835 [22:28:06] <greycat> !kali
3836 [22:28:07] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3837 [22:28:09] <`Kevin> troll?
3838 [22:28:17] <greycat> Go to #kali-linux if you want help with Kali.
3839 [22:29:17] <kaliko> jellt how are you
3840 [22:29:29] <jelly> tired
3841 [22:30:17] <n4dir> if it was on-topic here we could discuss the difficulties when it comes to print <hello world> on the screen. A pity it isn't.
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3844 [22:31:33] <kaliko> how i learn pentest fast
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3850 [22:33:18] <jelly> how is babby formed
3851 [22:33:51] <xormor> how girl get pragnent
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3857 [22:36:07] <jscoder> exit
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3871 [22:41:51] <gunix> does this channel have any wiered rules like the ones for the official debian channel on oftc? because there it's not allowed to /ctcp version the guys on the channel. i really care about rulles and i wnat to respect them, so i left the channel :D
3872 [22:42:26] <greycat> !rules
3873 [22:42:27] <dpkg> 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 10 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. 6) #debian supports only Debian (see <based on debian>)
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3876 [22:43:15] <jelly> gunix: the rules are pretty much the same, and doing gratuitous CTCP is just rude in any channel
3877 [22:43:17] <greycat> Of course that's just one factoid. There's also the limit on pasting, and anything that the mods decide to act upon.
3878 [22:43:33] <gunix> jelly: the guys on archlinux dont seem to mind
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3881 [22:45:19] <jelly> gunix: anything that highlights or notifies a specific user, without good reason, is annoying. Best ask permission before CTCP, DCC or even private messages
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3883 [22:46:14] <theseb> possible to nicely run GUI programs (like audacity) on a remote Amazon Linux VM? ssh -X iirc?
3884 [22:46:21] <jelly> in irc world, this is pretty much common sense; it's a tech oriented network, you don't want random people to make your irc client to crazy without reason
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3886 [22:47:06] <gunix> jelly: do you mind if i check your ctcp version?
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3888 [22:48:04] <wildiness> check mine
3889 [22:48:12] <kurolox> Hello! I have a python script that I want to run at boot, but I'd like to avoid systemd. What other options do I have?
3890 [22:48:35] <greycat> kurolox: depends on what it does. there is always /etc/rc.local if you are too lazy to incorporate it properly into the init system.
3891 [22:49:12] <kurolox> it's a discord bot. I've made a systemd service that runs a bash script that runs the bot, but for some reason the bot does unexpected stuff when it's launched this way
3892 [22:49:27] <kurolox> that's why I'm looking for alternatives
3893 [22:49:38] <greycat> bot sounds like it's long-running, so I would seriously look into incorporating it properly
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3896 [22:50:08] <greycat> That way you can stop and start it, have it automatically restart if it crashes, get proper logging and status inquiries, etc.
3897 [22:50:10] <kurolox> yes, it's something that should be running at all times. Maybe I'm doing it wrong.
3898 [22:51:15] <gunix> wildiness: your browser is out of date. you should update
3899 [22:51:32] <kurolox> greycat this is what I'm using right now. replaced-url
3900 [22:52:06] <greycat> unreadable web site, line breaks not preserved
3901 [22:52:44] <kurolox> any recommendation then?
3902 [22:52:53] <greycat> we'd need to know what the python script does (does it self-background?)
3903 [22:53:08] <greycat> also, it's silly to have systemd call bash call python
3904 [22:54:02] <kurolox> This is the python code, be advised that it sucks. But no, it doesn't self-background or does anything like that. replaced-url
3905 [22:54:19] <wildiness> gunix: yes it was. also how do i get my domain instead of my ip in thw whois?
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3908 [22:54:25] <greycat> if it runs in the foreground and logs to stdout/stderr then a simple systemd unit file should work beautifully
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3911 [22:55:09] <gunix> wildiness: i host my irc client on my vps, which has the ip of my domain, with reverse dns :D
3912 [22:55:19] <jelly> gunix: yes
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3914 [22:55:41] <jelly> gunix: thanks for asking
3915 [22:55:43] <kurolox> greycat any resource for that?
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3921 [22:57:05] <kurolox> also, isn't that what I was using it already? I thought that a systemd service was an unit file
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3924 [22:57:27] <wildiness> gunix: ok i have a server and a domain how do i reverse dns?
3925 [22:57:28] <greycat> It looks like it might be a unit file if I'm reading the broken web site correctly
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3927 [22:57:47] <greycat> Why do people go out of their god damned way to find the most BROKEN pasting sites they can
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3929 [22:58:07] <kurolox> I asked you for a better recomendation for a pasting site so I can share it with you again
3930 [22:58:16] <greycat> paste.debian.net
3931 [22:58:19] <kurolox> All I know is that pastebin is bad
3932 [22:58:19] <Treah> Kaliko_ why were you spaming me with hack?
3933 [22:58:21] <jmcnaught> kurolox: the suggestion is to have ExecStart= in your unit call the program directly, instead of it calling a bash script that launches it.
3934 [22:58:34] <kurolox> Treah Kaliko_ is spamming me too
3935 [22:58:38] <gunix> wildiness: where is your dns server hosted? it should know reverse dns.
3936 [22:58:57] <AreYouLoco> kurolox: me too
3937 [22:59:15] <kurolox> He wants to be learned pentest
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3939 [22:59:17] <kurolox> whatever that means
3940 [22:59:26] <Treah> Anyway anyone familliar with the older installers for debain? I wanna get etch installed but the boot floppies and cd's pretty much require you to pull from online?
3941 [22:59:47] <kurolox> greycat replaced-url
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3944 [23:01:54] <greycat> Skip the bash layer. If you want a delay, there's RestartSec= and so on.
3945 [23:02:13] <greycat> Use the full path to python3 in the ExecStart= line.
3946 [23:02:16] <kurolox> yeah, that's what I'm doing. The delay was part of trying to troubleshoot why the bot was acting weirdly
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3949 [23:02:38] <kurolox> I'll be using /usr/bin/python3 /path/to/bot.py
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3951 [23:02:53] <greycat> If you *HAVE* to have the bash layer, then it needs to exec python3 bot.py. You forgot the exec.
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3954 [23:03:38] <n4dir> Treah: i don't think the installer has changed much, and mainly not in that regard. If you have a installation CD (not a netinstall.iso), and are not connected to the net, it will use what is on the installion.iso
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3956 [23:04:22] <Treah> They dont have them available
3957 [23:04:29] <Treah> when you go to the CD link its just a list
3958 [23:04:33] <Treah> not a .iso
3959 [23:04:39] <n4dir> well: if you use a netinstall.iso it will also use what is on the iso, but that is only a bit ...
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3963 [23:04:57] <n4dir> Treah: etch is debian 6 or 5 ?
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3965 [23:05:07] <Treah> The issue I have is i need to get this on a computer that canot boot from cdrom :P
3966 [23:05:14] <Treah> its a 486
3967 [23:05:28] <uet4726> n4dir: i think etch was 4.0
3968 [23:05:29] <n4dir> Oh.
3969 [23:05:32] <Treah> with only 40mb of ram... thus needs to use something with a small kernel image
3970 [23:05:46] <greycat> Well, 40 MB will not run jessie let alone stretch...
3971 [23:05:59] <Treah> not strech
3972 [23:06:01] <Treah> etch
3973 [23:06:06] <kurolox> greycat after doing that change my bot is still not working properly. It's really weird. It works fine when launched manually from ssh, but it doesn't work when systemd launches it. I'm not sure what to do anymore.
3974 [23:06:54] <greycat> kurolox: you'll have to debug it at the python bot level. Perhaps it uses something inherited from your interactive shell environment.
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3976 [23:07:16] <greycat> You never said what the actual problem is, IIRC.
3977 [23:07:23] <Treah> maybe i should just find me some more memory somewhere
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3980 [23:07:38] <Treah> I think my ex has some EDO laying around
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3982 [23:07:45] <greycat> Treah: or a whole computer in a junkyard
3983 [23:08:06] <Treah> greycat: its for a challenge to see if the computer will run this game
3984 [23:08:22] <greycat> Well, you've been challenged, so I guess it was a success.
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3986 [23:08:36] <kurolox> well, it seems like it can't read properly from stdout or stderr when launched from systemd, and it needs that because it spawns a subprocess that needs to read.
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3988 [23:09:01] <theseb> possible to nicely run GUI programs (like audacity) on a remote Amazon Linux VM? ssh -X iirc?
3989 [23:09:02] <greycat> kurolox: not a #debian issue, then
3990 [23:09:08] <kurolox> okay, I'll go to python
3991 [23:09:19] <kurolox> I was just trying to be sure that the issue wasn't how was I launching the script
3992 [23:09:39] <Treah> Im just not sure why the old bin ISO files are not hosted on the archive site.
3993 [23:09:45] <Treah> makes things difficult
3994 [23:09:56] <Treah> I could use PPP
3995 [23:09:58] <Treah> hmmm
3996 [23:10:11] <n4dir> theseb: not that i would do it often, but yes. -X. If in doubt ask the manpage.
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4000 [23:11:44] <jelly> Treah: cd images archive is elsewhere
4001 [23:12:06] <jelly> !install etch
4002 [23:12:07] <dpkg> Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 ("Etch") installation images are available from replaced-url
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4004 [23:13:49] <n4dir> those are netinst or business card isos though. Lenny has full CD's (assuming after all that clicking back and forth i didn't get confused)
4005 [23:13:58] <jelly> Treah: wonder where you looked not to be able to find .isos
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4007 [23:14:45] <Treah> archive.debian.org
4008 [23:14:49] <jelly> n4dir: netinst is enough to install a base system, fix sources to point to archive.d.o, and install any other package
4009 [23:15:26] <Treah> jelly: those are what im looking for
4010 [23:15:33] <Treah> wait no
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4012 [23:16:17] <Treah> netinstall wont work unless there is a way to bootstrap from the floppies
4013 [23:16:26] <Treah> computer wont boot from cdrom
4014 [23:16:36] <Treah> i could make a general lilo booter i think
4015 [23:16:42] <Treah> its been way too long since ive had to do that
4016 [23:16:42] <n4dir> jelly: without internet connection i would prefer a full CD. But it is long ago i tried that.
4017 [23:16:47] <dub_> hello! I've built and packaged a kernel the debian way (which I like), but packaging the kernel headers is giving me this error: cannot stat 'REPORTING-BUGS': No such file or directory
4018 [23:17:20] <jelly> Treah: then put the (IDE?) disk into a different computer and install there
4019 [23:17:20] <dub_> Running fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=1.0 linux-headers
4020 [23:17:30] <Treah> hehe
4021 [23:17:36] <Treah> yeah i know
4022 [23:17:52] <jelly> if you know, why are you asking us
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4026 [23:18:28] <Treah> Ill have to find one with an IDE port
4027 [23:18:38] <jelly> there are adapters
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4029 [23:19:14] <Treah> I thought there might be a way to modify the installer to look at the correct archive repo
4030 [23:19:18] <Treah> i guess not
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4033 [23:20:21] <jelly> Treah: you can usually tell it which repo to use at installation time, maybe in expert mode
4034 [23:20:46] <jelly> assuming you have a working network setup
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4036 [23:22:13] <jelly> that was added a long time ago, not sure if before etch or not
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4093 [23:51:31] <jhutchins> ! why not avidemux
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4095 [23:51:39] <jhutchins> ,why not avidemux
4096 [23:51:40] <judd> No package named 'not' was found in stretch/amd64.
4097 [23:52:00] <jhutchins> So what's Debian's video editing pick?
4098 [23:52:32] <n4dir> jhutchins i made a forum question bout the question, give me a bit to find the answers
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4102 [23:54:42] <n4dir> the answer was avidemux. sorry.
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4105 [23:55:10] <n4dir> i mentioned blender and dvdstyler myself.
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4107 [23:55:24] <jhutchins> avid not being in debian main.
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4111 [23:56:16] <coruja> ,v avidemux
4112 [23:56:17] <judd> Package: avidemux on amd64 -- wheezy-multimedia: 1:2.5.6-dmo6+deb7u1; jessie-multimedia: 1:2.6.8-dmo8; stretch-multimedia: 1:2.6.20-dmo3; buster-multimedia: 1:2.7.0-dmo1; sid-multimedia: 1:2.7.0-dmo1
4113 [23:56:21] <n4dir> jhutchins i don't know about the subject. i only recall i asked in a forum for a friend of mine. my fault.
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4115 [23:56:53] <jhutchins> n4dir: No biggie, I appreciate the input. I think I've used cinelera before too.
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4118 [23:57:48] <n4dir> here is a short list of apps (german ubuntu wiki). perhaps the list may help replaced-url
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4121 [23:59:00] <n4dir> "einfach" means "easy" or "basic", if you look for a more professional solution (most apps there are "einfach" aka "basic")
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