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0 [00:00:09] <asterismo> the laptop has Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio
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16 [00:03:45] <asterismo> i get activity on the audio tachometer in pavucontrol
17 [00:03:57] <asterismo> its like the audio is muted
18 [00:04:09] <sandieg> ty sharp15
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27 [00:07:10] <sandieg> do you mind a pm you
28 [00:07:12] <sandieg> sharp15,
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31 [00:08:14] <asterismo> anyone?
32 [00:08:18] <sandieg> sharp15, can i pm you ?
33 [00:08:48] <sandieg> asterismo : check etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf and other files blocking the drivers
34 [00:09:05] <sandieg> some debian distros bring them by default ON!
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36 [00:09:32] <aloo_shu> asterismo maybe pulseaudio isn't gone altogether? ps -e|grep pulse should give a clue
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42 [00:11:39] <asterismo> aloo_shu, there was a pulseaudio running
43 [00:11:44] <asterismo> i killed it
44 [00:11:53] <asterismo> this is my aplay -l
45 [00:11:55] <asterismo> replaced-url
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47 [00:12:02] <asterismo> still no sound
48 [00:12:18] <asterismo> and i have no blacklist on that folder
49 [00:13:03] <aloo_shu> asterismo check if it is really gone. maybe you have to disable pulseaudio as a service - unless you *want* to use it and LXDE likes it
50 [00:13:36] <asterismo> how to disable pulseaudio as a service?
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55 [00:15:25] <aloo_shu> asterismo I just see one thing there, so the realtek wasn't your only card? you have the hda intel as well? only the latter doesn't show?
56 [00:15:50] <aloo_shu> sorry *former, hda shows, realtek doesn't?
57 [00:16:19] <asterismo> i thought it was a realtek
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59 [00:16:25] <asterismo> it is intel
60 [00:16:30] <aloo_shu> ok
61 [00:16:33] <asterismo> sorry, my bad
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63 [00:16:52] <aloo_shu> and if yo give the card as a parameter with aplay?
64 [00:17:04] <asterismo> how?
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72 [00:18:27] <asterismo> i installed firmware-realtek, should i remove it?
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74 [00:18:34] <asterismo> brb
75 [00:18:38] <aloo_shu> man aplay would tell you, apparently there's a -D parameter
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78 [00:18:59] <aloo_shu> asterismo firmware realtek shouldn't interfere
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85 [00:20:21] <aloo_shu> asterismo disable pulseaudio , the safest way would be through the session-startup or such settings in your desktop
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89 [00:21:41] <aloo_shu> also, asterismo, are you we talking about the aplay *command* or are you using a player of that name?
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95 [00:24:59] <asterismo_l> hi
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103 [00:27:37] <aloo_shu> so?
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112 [00:30:12] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l one thing seems sure,if you get the terminal output you posted, the kernel *does* see your HDA intel card and no module is missing or blacklisted
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114 [00:30:29] <aloo_shu> so what have you done meanwhile, and what has happened?
115 [00:30:39] <Trap-Chan> is add-apt-repository a valid command? i'm getting a "command not found" when trying to use it as instructed.
116 [00:30:45] <asterismo_l> i'm trying to remove kde
117 [00:31:05] <asterismo_l> rebooted, no sound
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119 [00:32:08] <cluelessperson> I'm getting this error when I tyr to start a service
120 [00:32:10] <cluelessperson> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
121 [00:32:41] <cluelessperson> however, the User=<user> has the passwd defined: /etc/<user>/ with 700 on it
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127 [00:33:55] <aloo_shu> probably something was not quite right in the way you went from kde to lxde, to begin with, asterismo_l ,but let's see if sound can be fixed
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130 [00:35:35] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l , let's try a different approach. You didn't disable or kill pulseaudio yet, did you?
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132 [00:35:55] <aloo_shu> after this reboot
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140 [00:38:18] <locrian9> ntp question... I'm running Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (sysvinit) and wanted to have this server ntp sync with 'server x.ubuntu.pool.ntp.org'. I'm running the 'ntpd' daemon replaced-url
141 [00:38:51] <jmcnaught> locrian9: go ask #ubuntu, only Debian is supported in #debian as you've been told before
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146 [00:40:28] <aloo_shu> cluelessperson are you by any chance trying to start or stop services for your user while being root?
147 [00:40:49] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: that command is in the software-properties-common package, but generally people simply edit /etc/apt/sources.list or make a file in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ to add a new repository
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151 [00:41:34] <Trap-Chan> jmcnaught, it said it was for adding a PPA. oddly i was able to get the package without adding the PPA whatever that is.
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154 [00:41:41] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: if you're following instructions for Ubuntu (where using that command is more common) be careful not to install packages compiled for Ubuntu instead of Debian. Just because they both use .deb does not mean that the distros are mutually compatible
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156 [00:41:50] <asterismo_l> aloo_shu, i removed pulseaudio and it is not running
157 [00:41:59] <Trap-Chan> it said "debian based"
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159 [00:42:17] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: you may want to read replaced-url
160 [00:42:35] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l and aplay is aplay command in a terminal, right ?
161 [00:42:45] <asterismo_l> yes
162 [00:42:54] <Trap-Chan> what are the rules here on discussing emulation? (not the games just the software)
163 [00:43:12] <jmcnaught> removing pulseaudio is just compounding your problems, especially if there is still no sound when pulseaudio is not running
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165 [00:43:49] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: if you have a support question for emulation software that is in Debian's repos you can ask here, if there is a better channel someone might point you towards it
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169 [00:44:35] <Trap-Chan> k. if it's ok to discuss: i was trying to install retro arch. replaced-url
170 [00:45:16] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l just tried that here, aplay doesn't seem to be the most clever command, tried to play back a 44.1khz .mp3 at 8000Hz
171 [00:45:20] <jmcnaught> ,i retroarch
172 [00:45:22] <judd> Package retroarch (otherosfs, optional) in stretch/amd64: Simple frontend for the libretro library. Version: 1.3.6+dfsg1-1; Size: 664.3k; Installed: 2236k; Homepage: replaced-url
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174 [00:45:43] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: that package is already in Debian, you don't need to add a third party repo to install it
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177 [00:46:24] <asterismo_l> aloo_shu, i tried to play a youtube video and nothing
178 [00:46:25] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l do you have something else to check playback? Does your lxde desktop work already?
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180 [00:46:38] <Trap-Chan> k. so i'm good then? what exactly is a PPA and why is that guide saying to add it? it doesn't look like a repo since there is none of the typical arguments like the uri or the main/contrib/non-free etc stuff.
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182 [00:47:20] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: a lot of bad advice on the internet. A PPA is a type of third party repository that has packages in it that are *not* from Debian.
183 [00:47:39] <Trap-Chan> k gotcha. so avoid PPAs.
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187 [00:48:33] <cluelessperson> aloo_shu: yes
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189 [00:48:50] <cluelessperson> aloo_shu: sorry, turns out I got the directory name wrong. >.<
190 [00:48:56] <cluelessperson> I hate spotting things like that right after I ask
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192 [00:48:59] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: PPA's are usually made for ubuntu which may have different versions of the libaries (or sometimes different libaries) which makes installing said package a pain. We only support offical debian packages from the debian repo (don't worry most stuff is there), and it is suggested you only use third party repos that build packages specifically for the version of debian you are using (not ubuntu, or a
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194 [00:49:05] <somiaj> ny other debian based distro)
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197 [00:50:13] <aloo_shu> asterismo_l just a simple audio player like audacious or such? It would be nice to have one where you can pick the playback device in the settings. should be set to alsa
198 [00:50:19] <Trap-Chan> k gotcha. sofar all my repos are for debian.org...or was it .net? i can't rememer but all but hte non-free one were given to me by a bot here in this chat.
199 [00:50:44] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: deb.debian.org I think is the most current mirror redirector
200 [00:50:48] <somiaj> !deb.debian.org
201 [00:50:49] <dpkg> deb.debian.org is a mirror network that is backed by international content delivery networks and for most users, this is the most reliable <mirror> to use in the <sources.list>. From Debian 9 "Stretch" onwards, apt queries SRV records in DNS which then send it off to a CDN. Older apt will get an HTTP redirect from deb.debian.org to the same CDNs. See replaced-url
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203 [00:51:17] <aloo_shu> cluelessperson I love it if my clues help although I don't have too many
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205 [00:52:09] <Trap-Chan> is gog galaxy in debian's repos?
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217 [01:02:22] <Trap-Chan> ahh bugger, looks like gog games are compiled for ubuntu?
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245 [01:10:57] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to launch firefox to a specific page in fullscreen(f11) mode?
246 [01:11:44] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: what de/wm are you using?
247 [01:12:34] <somiaj> I know how to do that in fvwm, but unsure about other wms/de, but the window manager is what is in charge of putting windows in place, and most you should be able to tell what page to launch an application on.
248 [01:12:44] <Trap-Chan> xfce
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250 [01:12:57] <Trap-Chan> i'm trying to launch it from steam though.
251 [01:13:41] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: replaced-url
252 [01:13:54] <somiaj> that may work, might be a more generic way to achive this using wmctrl
253 [01:14:02] <somiaj> you may need to write a script, and call that script from steam to get it to work
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256 [01:14:44] <somiaj> replaced-url
257 [01:14:49] <Trap-Chan> hrm. i figured maybe there would be some setting in firefox to start fullscreen.
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266 [01:17:52] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: replaced-url
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275 [01:22:36] <ghormoon> hi, were there any changes between bind default in debian 8 and 9? after upgrade, I've got issues with rdnc now, with iptables enabled (even tough they allow input locally) it complains it can't loccent to 127.0.0.1:953, with flushed iptables, it doesn't say much and just tries to shutdown (rndc process hangs and it just doesn't stop intil I kill -9 the rndc, next start it will just try to stp again anyway). setting controls { }; doesn't help, still
276 [01:22:41] <Trap-Chan> hrm that doesn't seem to work. just keeps opening in regular mode. >.<
277 [01:22:41] <ghormoon> rndc starts :(
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280 [01:23:23] <ghormoon> also another "issue", why I don't see most of the devices in /dev/input/by-id and by-path? can I somehow enable it to link them there so I don't have to guess them by number? :)
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283 [01:23:36] <somiaj> ,v bind
284 [01:23:37] <judd> No package named 'bind' was found in amd64.
285 [01:23:39] <somiaj> ,v bind9
286 [01:23:40] <judd> Package: bind9 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 1:9.8.4.dfsg.P1-6+nmu2+deb7u18; wheezy-backports: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-4~bpo70+1; jessie: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u12; jessie-proposed-updates: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; jessie-security: 1:9.9.5.dfsg-9+deb8u13; stretch: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u1; stretch-proposed-updates: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u2; stretch-
287 [01:23:41] <judd> security: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.3+deb9u2; buster: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.5; sid: 1:9.10.3.dfsg.P4-12.6; experimental: 1:9.10.4-P5-1
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290 [01:24:39] <somiaj> ghormoon: not quite following you, are you talking about the DNS server bind, or about binding something else?
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292 [01:24:44] <ghormoon> yeah, the question is, was there any important change between 9.8 and 9.10? or maybe should I go directly to bind channel for this? I'm not sure if there can be any debian-specific configuration
293 [01:24:45] <sandiego> replaced-url
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295 [01:24:55] <sandiego> no sound at all
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297 [01:25:01] <ghormoon> somiaj: yes, bind9 dns server stopped working after upgrade
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300 [01:26:06] <somiaj> ghormoon: hmm, I don't run servers, so unsure of any changes, but if you are courious one place to start is the changelog, /usr/share/doc/bind9/changelog.gz (there is also a changelog.Debian.gz too)
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302 [01:27:32] <ghormoon> I don't really need rdnc, strange it still tries to run it even when it is not set up
303 [01:27:52] <ghormoon> not sure if systemd doesn't somehow add rnc options somewhere because if I run named from commandline, it runs
304 [01:27:57] <sandiego> can someone give me a hand ?
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306 [01:29:01] <somiaj> sandiego: just ask your question for support with debian
307 [01:29:13] <jmcnaught> sandiego: your pastebin link requires a captcha for me, probably for others too. If you put it on a different one (like replaced-url
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309 [01:29:25] <somiaj> ghormoon: unsure what the issue could be, might be something with yoursetup and the systemd unit files.
310 [01:29:36] <somiaj> sandiego: oh sorry, I missed your question above, follow jmcnaught advice and don't use pastebin.com
311 [01:30:05] <somiaj> !tell sandiego about alsa-checklist
312 [01:30:12] <sandiego> woot?
313 [01:30:13] <sandiego> replaced-url
314 [01:30:27] <somiaj> what the bot said is standard advices for debugging alsa, if you use pulse, pavucontrol is a good tool
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319 [01:31:25] <sandiego> i use alsa
320 [01:31:33] <sandiego> mate smiaj :)
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322 [01:31:36] <sandiego> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1667:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
323 [01:31:36] <sandiego> aplay: main:722: audio open error: No such device
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325 [01:31:41] <somiaj> sandiego: might want to follow the bots advices on the alsa-checklist and debug the sound seperate of using mplayer
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327 [01:31:51] <somiaj> sandiego: does other software give you sound?
328 [01:32:15] <sandiego> nop
329 [01:32:23] <sandiego> what might be the cause of this ?
330 [01:32:35] <sandiego> i ll link lspci
331 [01:32:36] <somiaj> ghormoon: systemctl status servicename maybe useful, look at the rndc service and see what sort of errors it gives, you can also look at the unit file in /usr/lib/systemd/system for that.
332 [01:32:36] <sandiego> moment
333 [01:32:48] <somiaj> sandiego: cat /proc/asound/cards is a good place to start. Do you see any cards.
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336 [01:33:34] <ghormoon> ok, got it, in /etc/defau;t/bind9 there was -v4 option that is now only -4 for ipv4 :)
337 [01:33:36] <sandiego> 0 [PCH ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel PCH
338 [01:33:36] <sandiego> HDA Intel PCH at 0xdfe40000 irq 146
339 [01:33:36] <sandiego> 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
340 [01:33:36] <sandiego> HD-Audio Generic at 0xdfd60000 irq 147
341 [01:33:46] <sandiego> only this 2 smiaj
342 [01:33:48] <sandiego> somiaj
343 [01:33:49] <sandiego> :)
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347 [01:34:09] <somiaj> sandiego: please don't paste to the channel. Okay now follow what the bot did and try to play to one of the sound cards using root.
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353 [01:34:58] <sandiego> how do i point the sound to the card ? it self somiaj
354 [01:35:27] <somiaj> did you read what I had the bot tell you?
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356 [01:35:32] <sandiego> yup
357 [01:35:34] <sandiego> aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav
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360 [01:35:45] <sandiego> doesnt ring nothing in the headset
361 [01:35:51] <somiaj> you can also use aplay -L or man aplay to tell it to use a specific sound card.
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365 [01:36:05] <somiaj> is this a laptop? And is the head set pluged into the standard audo jack?
366 [01:36:10] <sandiego> desktop
367 [01:36:22] <sandiego> yup standart3.5mm
368 [01:36:27] <ghormoon> somiaj: yeah, the problem with status and journal was that I didn't get anything more from it. because bind doesn't say anything if you give him the wrong option. just dies :))
369 [01:36:27] <sandiego> mobo
370 [01:37:07] <sandiego> works fine in windows
371 [01:37:09] <somiaj> sandiego: hvae you checked alsamixer to ensure all the volumes at turned up and tried to plug into different jacks
372 [01:37:19] <sandiego> yup
373 [01:37:23] <somiaj> somtimes you have to manually set the model with an intel based card too since that sound card is quite generic
374 [01:37:35] <ghormoon> anyway, the other issue, is there anything (maybe in sysctl? ) that I need to turn on to get /dev/input/by-path and by-id populated like it was in debian 8? now it gives only usb devices etc, but not the ps/2 ones :(
375 [01:37:37] <sandiego> ohh how do i do that ?
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377 [01:37:48] <somiaj> replaced-url
378 [01:38:11] <sandiego> alsamixer
379 [01:38:12] <sandiego> cannot open mixer: No such device
380 [01:38:19] <sandiego> =/
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386 [01:39:44] <somiaj> sandiego: do you have a ~/.asoundrc file or a /etc/asoundrc file?
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390 [01:42:37] <somiaj> sandiego: I have to head out, maybe others can help.
391 [01:42:46] <sandiego> ~/.asoundrc
392 [01:42:48] <sandiego> :(
393 [01:43:23] <somiaj> was that file there, if so it maybe messing you up, mv ~/.asoundrc ~/.asoundrc-bak then try to run alsamixer and see if it gets the default card
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401 [01:49:44] <Trap-Chan> woot. found an addon that launches it fullscreen. now my htpc can do netflix/retroarch/kodi all from steam BP and you never have to stop being in some semblance of 10" UI.
402 [01:49:46] <sandiego> hmmok
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405 [01:52:10] <Trap-Chan> still need to figure out how to launch steam by default.
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413 [01:54:49] <Trap-Chan> I'm guessing there isn't a manpage on [/etc/init.d] [~/.config/autostart] [update-rc.d]
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418 [01:57:58] <JoeRock> I have win7 virtualizated with vb
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420 [01:58:21] <JoeRock> may I use iptables as packet filter for virtual box ?
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424 [01:59:09] <JoeRock> in the voice forwarding ?
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427 [02:00:14] <JoeRock> I use debian 8.9
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449 [02:08:16] <Trap-Chan> woohoo. got steam to auto start, got rid of the panels. now i just gotta figure out how to mask the boot scripts with some kind of splash screen. changing the acer splash wouldn't hurt too.
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474 [02:35:06] <bazhang> !ops | nigg3rcrac3r
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509 [02:50:56] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to set debian or pulse audio to dublicate sound output to a second device? like have my HDMI sound and speaker port treated as the same device so i can have headphones hooked up without shutting off the tv speakers?
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513 [02:55:18] <bazhang> ,v padevchooser
514 [02:55:19] <judd> Package: padevchooser on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.4-1.1
515 [02:55:33] <bazhang> ,v pavucontrol
516 [02:55:34] <judd> Package: pavucontrol on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0-1; jessie: 2.0-3; buster: 3.0-3.1; sid: 3.0-3.1; stretch: 3.0-3.1
517 [02:55:45] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: alsa can't do that, but I belive that is one of the many features of pulse.
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519 [02:56:01] <bazhang> they should have paprefs as well
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522 [02:56:28] <Trap-Chan> what's alsa?
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525 [02:56:58] <bazhang> !alsa
526 [02:56:59] <dpkg> Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) is a Linux kernel component providing device drivers for sound cards. Ask me about <install alsa>. See also <alsa-checklist>, <default alsa>, <alsa firmware>. replaced-url
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528 [02:58:16] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: alsa is the sound drivers used on most systems. pulseaudio runs on top of alsa as a sound server and provides lots of additional tools, like switching sound cards on the fly or even outputting to two sound cards at once as you asked.
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530 [02:58:49] <Trap-Chan> ahh cool. i'll just hafta figure out how to config that. thanx for the help.
531 [02:59:03] <somiaj> Trap-Chan: use the programs bazhang told the bot to list the versions of
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534 [03:00:48] <Trap-Chan> i already have pavucontrol i think. that's the volume mixxer app right?
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537 [03:01:01] <somiaj> for pulse, that should also let you configure pulse to do other things as well
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539 [03:01:49] <Trap-Chan> yeah i just mean that's what it's listed in the app menu when set to show generic names.
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581 [03:24:27] <TOM> ?
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585 [03:26:10] <likcoras> If you don't have pa, you can't have two applications output audio at the same time, right?
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594 [03:33:20] <kambei> I hope to someday live in a world where all children ask that question.
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603 [03:40:02] <TRS-80> evening peeps
604 [03:40:07] <TRS-80> The Window Switcher installation is broken, resources are missing.
605 [03:40:08] <TRS-80> Contact your distribution about this.
606 [03:40:11] <TRS-80> ???
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610 [03:42:43] <jmcnaught> TRS-80: can you provide more context?
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612 [03:43:17] <TRS-80> does it when I Alt-Tab to switch windows
613 [03:43:47] <TRS-80> Debian Stretch, KDE Plasma whatever version is in Stretch
614 [03:44:11] <TRS-80> was working fine, until I installed Dia
615 [03:45:04] <TRS-80> then trying to copy paste from Firefox, Alt-Tab back to Dia and got that message
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620 [03:46:49] <jmcnaught> TRS-80: does the problem happen for other users? create a test user if no others exist
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626 [03:49:20] <TRS-80> OK lemme save everything, bb in a few
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628 [03:49:58] <jmcnaught> you shouldn't need to log the current user out, doesn't KDE have a switch users feature?
629 [03:50:52] <TRS-80> oh yes oops
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634 [03:52:08] <TRS-80> although, clicking that doesn't do anything, prolly because I'm the only non root user, lemme create new user
635 [03:52:12] <TRS-80> brb
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638 [03:53:51] <TRS-80> oh wait, not sure how long this been here but just now see a notification about Plasma closing unexpectedly
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641 [03:55:07] <TRS-80> looking into this, rebooting, brb
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653 [04:00:08] <TRS-80> hmm, working fine now, not sure what happened and unfortunately don't remember what I was doing enough to file a useful bug report
654 [04:00:22] <TRS-80> or maybe it was just a one off thing...
655 [04:00:25] <bodeezl> eek
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658 [04:01:07] <TRS-80> I'm not going to worry about it unles problem persists
659 [04:01:17] <TRS-80> thanks all the same however
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672 [04:08:33] <spinningCat> anyone use nodejs here
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710 [04:35:50] <Henry151> how can I run a quick command and see what my processor speed is?
711 [04:36:02] <Henry151> not how fast it is currently running, just what it is specced to
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713 [04:36:19] <bazhang> sudo lshw perhaps
714 [04:36:56] <Henry151> that was the one I had forgotten
715 [04:36:57] <Henry151> thanks
716 [04:37:06] <bazhang> npx
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733 [04:51:55] <gerforce> what is 'npx' abbreviated to?
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739 [04:55:26] <Paul--> hello all
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742 [04:56:36] <Paul--> when I run dhclient eth0 as root, this command overwrite the name server file , /etc/resolv.conf
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746 [04:57:11] <Paul--> I don't understand if dhclient has a config file or no
747 [04:57:38] <Paul--> I don't want the isp dns, 'cause they are filtered
748 [04:59:30] <jmcnaught> Paul--: one way to work around this is to use resolvconf
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753 [05:00:18] <Paul--> I don't understand if it's dhclient that overwrite the file, or if there is another setting
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758 [05:00:36] <jmcnaught> !resolvconf
759 [05:00:36] <dpkg> extra, extra, read all about it, resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
760 [05:01:09] <Paul--> !dhclient
761 [05:01:09] <dpkg> To set up a DHCP client in Debian 3.0 and later, edit the /etc/network/interfaces file and put "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it. Then do "ifup -a" or reboot. See also <resolv.conf>, <override dns>.
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763 [05:01:23] <jmcnaught> Paul--: you can '/msg dpkg' about the other factoids listed at the end. It's definitely dhclient that is writing resolv.conf if it gets nameserver info back from the DHCP server
764 [05:01:32] <Paul--> ok
765 [05:01:48] <Paul--> resolvconf is a directory
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770 [05:04:39] <jmcnaught> Paul--: check out /usr/share/doc/resolvconf/README.gz for how to use it
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784 [05:14:26] <Trap-Chan> so it seems i need an archive manager. i tried downloading p7zip but it turns out that's cli only. can anyone recomend a good solution?
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789 [05:15:46] <kajika> Trap-Chan, ark?
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799 [05:22:31] <Trap-Chan> hrm. still getting "no suitable archive manager available.
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803 [05:26:46] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: what is telling you that?
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807 [05:27:57] <Trap-Chan> thunar when i right click and say "extract here" i guess?
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813 [05:29:25] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: do you have thunar-archive-plugin installed?
814 [05:30:24] <Trap-Chan> not unless the cd installed it by default.
815 [05:31:33] <Trap-Chan> looks like i do.
816 [05:31:48] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: I don't use thunar but the thunar package suggests thunar-archive-plugin, which recommends xarchiver (>= 0.3.9.2beta2-2) | ark | file-roller | engrampa, so any of those should work
817 [05:32:58] <Trap-Chan> is there a reason you don't use thunar? I don't know what's good I'm just using what the debian stretch dvd gave me.
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819 [05:33:06] <Trap-Chan> debian stretch cd*
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822 [05:33:59] <jmcnaught> You probably selected xfce in the installer, I use GNOME which comes with nautilus
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825 [05:35:06] <Trap-Chan> i only saw one option. then agian the install was a pain in the butt because whoever made it didn't concider that some people may be on devices with overscan.
826 [05:35:47] <Trap-Chan> I did XFCE but would likely have done GNOME if I saw it since that's what we used when I was at UNI.
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828 [05:36:44] <jmcnaught> I don't know then, maybe you used an ISO that had xfce packages on it and you didn't have a network connection during the install. You can easily install GNOME now either by running 'tasksel' as root, or installing the task-gnome-desktop package
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874 [06:11:07] <Trap-Chan> how does the panel and steamBP know what packages i have installed? i have a game that launches from a shell script that i'd like to add.
875 [06:12:14] <freshbtcer2> hello all! other then apt-get purge mysql server client, where are the important conf files that hold db and user info as well as root password? Trying to start over and it messed up my installation
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936 [06:57:36] <mender27> Morning :)
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954 [07:06:23] <xuhui> hello everybody
955 [07:06:42] <mender27> xuhui: hello! :)
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957 [07:07:10] <xuhui> :-)
958 [07:07:16] <Antares> Ń
Đ°Đč
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981 [07:21:17] <Trap-Chan> just got my copy of mighty no 9 physical in and went to install it and it's giving me permission denied.
982 [07:22:07] <mender27> Trap-Chan: what's mighty no 9 physical?
983 [07:22:24] <Trap-Chan> the physical copy of a game i backed on kickstarter.
984 [07:23:00] <Trap-Chan> wow. 1.5 gig sh file...something tells me there's more to that than a plain text script. :P
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987 [07:24:09] <jmcnaught> Trap-Chan: the file should have come with instructions from the people who provided it to you, but you probably need to make it executable with chmod +x
988 [07:24:48] <Trap-Chan> it seems like the regeon of the thumbdrive it's on is write protected so i couldn't chmod it. coppied it and was able to.
989 [07:25:04] <Trap-Chan> but yeah absolutely no instructions. i think linux was an afterthought.
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997 [07:29:30] <Trap-Chan> and they didn't add it to /usr/share/applications so I have to do that manually to add it to steam.
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1013 [07:41:03] <fru> Does anyone know how to get into single user mode on Debian 3.1. I forgot my password.
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1015 [07:42:28] <towo^work> use init=/bon/bash to kernel commandline at grub prompt
1016 [07:42:31] <towo^work> grr
1017 [07:42:37] <towo^work> use init=/bin/bash to kernel commandline at grub prompt
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1022 [07:44:27] <Trap-Chan> wow. this doesn't run great on my linux machine. i may just stick to using my gaming machine for it. :P
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1029 [07:48:53] <fru> Grub says omit is unrecognized command: 27. This is Debian 3.1
1030 [07:49:00] <fru> Init
1031 [07:49:35] <towo^work> init not Init
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1034 [07:50:05] <fru> init is unrecognized
1035 [07:50:51] <vlt> fru: Not as single command but as param to the kernel line.
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1039 [07:51:44] <fru> There is a kernel command when I press tab
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1094 [08:15:40] <Haohmaru> the issue from yesterday turned out to be gpu-related.. i rebooted the computer (the ugly way) and then there was semi-corrupted drawing of the screen during the BIOS, and grub screens
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1099 [08:16:49] <Haohmaru> i unplugged and replugged the gpu, and now it doesn't even wake the monitor up
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1101 [08:17:38] <Haohmaru> but this gpu has been repaired before, in an ugly way, so it's probably not dead for the first time ;]
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1108 [08:20:31] <Ani-> Haohmaru, what GPU .nvidia?
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1111 [08:21:27] <fru> Ok great I got a root prompt. I had to add init=/bin/bash to the end of the kernel line
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1113 [08:23:04] <Haohmaru> Ani-, yeah, geforce 6800GT
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1116 [08:23:45] <fru> But it has root@(none):/# and the keyboard is unresponsive
1117 [08:23:53] <Ani-> same happen to my 600ti
1118 [08:24:16] <Haohmaru> my collegue is blasting it with a hot air gun right now ;P~
1119 [08:24:17] <fru> Probably since it's a USB keyboard
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1142 [08:35:30] <Haohmaru> wooo, it works now
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1147 [08:37:53] <Hukka> Hi. I'm having problems with a Thinkpad T470 and a Thunderbolt3 to DisplayPort cable. For some reasone the whole TB is dropped a few seconds after plugging the cable in, and I can't really figure out why replaced-url
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1149 [08:39:17] <Hukka> Google says that the TB port should work just fine with displays (on ubuntus, mints and whatnots), but I can't really rule out that this cable itself (StarTech) is just bad, as I don't have any other computers with TB.
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1169 [08:48:27] <iodev> hi, I need help, I got an atheros QCA9377 and this is my dmesg log regarding firmware: replaced-url
1170 [08:49:08] <iodev> I tried to install all required firmware still, it can not load /pre-cal-pci-0000:03:00.0.bin (because it doesn't exist in a package)
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1180 [08:52:41] <jelly> iodev: does the device still fail to work?
1181 [08:53:08] <iodev> the device works, but if I try to use both wifi & bluetooth, wifi slows down
1182 [08:53:18] <iodev> but I have firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin loaded
1183 [08:53:30] <iodev> but it complains about not finding pre-cal-...
1184 [08:53:37] <iodev> (which does not come packaged)
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1188 [08:54:42] <jelly> lack of per-pci-slot-specific firmware doesn't have to be related with bt issues
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1193 [08:56:52] <no_gravity> Good Morning
1194 [08:57:04] <no_gravity> Hard links for directories are not supported anymore?
1195 [08:57:07] <jelly> iodev: I think it's just a handy way to be able to load different firmware if you want more than one ath10k* device in the machine
1196 [08:57:13] <jelly> no_gravity: they never were
1197 [08:57:35] <iodev> jelly: ahh, ok
1198 [08:57:55] <no_gravity> jelly: Really? Interesting.
1199 [08:57:57] <iodev> maybe I should investigate the code, all I want to know is if firmware-5.bin and board-2.bin are enough
1200 [08:58:09] <iodev> (and if I'm not missing something I should have)
1201 [08:58:12] <no_gravity> jelly: It seems softlinks are not fully transparent.
1202 [08:58:46] <no_gravity> Having a soft linked directory in a replaced-url
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1207 [08:59:15] <jelly> no_gravity: that's intentional on the apache side
1208 [09:00:03] <no_gravity> Would be nice if one could link a library into a project. Instead of having to copy it.
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1210 [09:00:44] <jelly> no_gravity: replaced-url
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1215 [09:02:28] <no_gravity> jelly: I think the problem I encounter is a different one. Might be on the PHP side.
1216 [09:02:33] <jelly> also, apache has Alias (mod_alias) to map an URL path to a different place in the filesystem
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1218 [09:03:14] <jelly> (and Redirect and Rewrite which are more powerful and more complex)
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1221 [09:04:01] <no_gravity> jelly: It's not about urls.
1222 [09:04:09] <no_gravity> jelly: It's about php scripts including relative paths.
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1230 [09:05:50] <no_gravity> if /a/b/f.php has include("../lib.php") and y is a softlink to a/b then /x/y/f.php looks for lib.php in /a/ rather then in /x/.
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1232 [09:06:10] <no_gravity> Like it "knows" it's in x.
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1235 [09:06:40] <no_gravity> Like it "knows" it's in a I mean.
1236 [09:06:44] <no_gravity> A confusing topic.
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1238 [09:07:06] <no_gravity> I could swear I once solved this with hardlinks in 2005.
1239 [09:07:10] <jelly> how about you show actual state
1240 [09:07:23] <no_gravity> show state?
1241 [09:07:37] <jelly> ls -ld /a/b/f.php /a/b /a/b/../lib.php
1242 [09:08:05] <no_gravity> I'm no linking the files. Im linking the dir. It has trillions of files.
1243 [09:08:29] <no_gravity> And they change when the lib gets updated. So I cannot always sync it by creating gazillions of links.
1244 [09:08:53] <jelly> still I'm afraid I can't help if you avoid showing what's really there
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1253 [09:10:45] <jelly> the invented example is more confusing than explaining the issue
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1257 [09:11:52] <no_gravity> Ok, here we go. I just made a real examples with just 2 dirs and one file that shows the issue:
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1260 [09:13:05] <no_gravity> a/a.php contains only this: <?php echo __DIR__;
1261 [09:13:20] <no_gravity> then ln -s a b
1262 [09:13:26] <no_gravity> then php b/a.php
1263 [09:13:47] <no_gravity> shows: /a
1264 [09:13:57] <no_gravity> It thinks it's in dir a. While it is in b.
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1266 [09:14:37] <jelly> well, it's not in b
1267 [09:15:02] <no_gravity> Yeah, but it only works if it is in b.
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1269 [09:15:08] <no_gravity> So I guess a hardlink would solve it.
1270 [09:15:12] <jelly> what only works?
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1272 [09:15:31] <no_gravity> The a.php looks for a config file in "../config.php".
1273 [09:15:59] <no_gravity> So if you throw a/ into a project it will read the projects config file.
1274 [09:16:09] <no_gravity> But that does not work if you just softlink.
1275 [09:16:19] <jelly> that's how symlinks work
1276 [09:16:54] <no_gravity> And I wonder if I am halluzinating that I solved that with a hardlink in 2005.
1277 [09:16:54] <jelly> more correctly, that's how .. works
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1279 [09:17:34] <jelly> symlink is dereferenced at usage time, and .. always points to the parent directory
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1283 [09:18:18] <no_gravity> If hardlinks on directories never were supported... maybe I solved it via mount?
1284 [09:18:29] <jelly> bind mount may work, maybe
1285 [09:18:37] <no_gravity> Ahh! Memories come up.
1286 [09:18:41] <no_gravity> I think that is what I did.
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1292 [09:20:00] <no_gravity> Ah yes. And the ugly part is that you have to put that into the boot sequence.
1293 [09:20:15] <no_gravity> Or you will just have an empty dir where the "hardlink" should be.
1294 [09:20:17] <jelly> this design looks rather ugly, but I don't know enough about php to say if that's the norm or there's a better way to do things
1295 [09:20:36] <no_gravity> The norm is to copy the library into the project.
1296 [09:20:40] <jelly> bind mounts can be put in fstab like other mounts
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1299 [09:21:02] <jelly> no_gravity: or the library should reference config by "../foo"
1300 [09:21:06] <jelly> shouldn't*
1301 [09:21:22] <no_gravity> jelly: How should she reference it?
1302 [09:21:38] <jelly> give it parameters when you call it, dunno
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1305 [09:23:53] <jelly> a named parameter telling where the config is, and only use ../foo as backward-compatible fallback?
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1307 [09:24:57] <no_gravity> Well, it does not really always get "called". It's more like a module. If you throw it into /yourproject/themodule/ then users can access it at yourserver.com/themodule/
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1309 [09:25:18] <no_gravity> So it get's executed directly without interacting with your code.
1310 [09:25:24] <no_gravity> Pretty convenient.
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1312 [09:25:55] <jelly> that sounds horrible
1313 [09:26:02] <no_gravity> How so?
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1316 [09:26:58] <jelly> something appears in web URL namespace and gets used automatically, but doesn't rely on URL namespace and instead searches for files on the filesystem?
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1319 [09:27:21] <no_gravity> Well it's a module for a certain dashboard.
1320 [09:27:27] <no_gravity> It fits in perfectly.
1321 [09:27:31] <jelly> is this how php does things?
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1323 [09:27:43] <no_gravity> php is a turing complete language like any other.
1324 [09:28:10] <jelly> that's not a compliment
1325 [09:28:16] <no_gravity> Usually coders (no matter which language) copy libraries into their project.
1326 [09:28:42] <no_gravity> But since this module is used in many projects on a certain server, I would like to de-duplicate it.
1327 [09:28:52] <no_gravity> So updating it once updates all projects for example.
1328 [09:29:09] <jelly> usually, distro maintainers then tear embedded code copies out and try to keep _one_ copy of some code in a distro
1329 [09:29:28] <no_gravity> Well, distros are a different topic then server software.
1330 [09:30:20] <no_gravity> Not sure if you know packagist, npm, rubygems, pip etc.
1331 [09:30:21] <jelly> copies of same code in many places are everyone's maintenance pain; distros just try to solve it one way
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1333 [09:30:48] <no_gravity> Do you code projects in any web environment like PHP, Node, Python, Ruby?
1334 [09:31:00] <jelly> no, I'm not a coder
1335 [09:31:06] <no_gravity> I see.
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1337 [09:31:23] <no_gravity> Because that is how all these environments handle it. Libraries get copied into the project.
1338 [09:31:33] <jelly> this is frankly disgusting :-)
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1340 [09:32:14] <no_gravity> It is. But well, "dll hell" was not that easy to handle either :)
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1342 [09:32:27] <jelly> (it's just fine for development, but not deployment)
1343 [09:32:59] * no_gravity needs to get the first coffee of the day...
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1353 [09:38:00] <nehemiah> I have a nvidia optimus card in my laptop. In Linux mint I can switch manually between Intel and Nvidia. How can I get this to work in Debian?
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1357 [09:39:15] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf/armel)
1358 [09:39:16] <babilen> nehemiah: You install and configure bumblebee
1359 [09:39:39] <babilen> dpkg: tell nehemiah about bumblebee
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1366 [09:42:57] <Hukka> Woah. After an hour of tweaking all the settings in BIOS and replugging the cable, suddenly it started working. I guess the cable is just finicky
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1368 [09:44:25] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf/armel)
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1376 [09:46:36] <klys> zaoqi, it all starts with unpacking replaced-url
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1379 [09:47:06] <klys> for more automated work, try debootstrap
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1394 [09:53:38] <iodev> question, should I run compton before or after I start i3wm (in xinitrc)
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1403 [09:56:07] <iodev> nvm the question, doesn't work otherwise :D
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1406 [09:58:37] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there?
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1408 [10:00:46] <klys> it would have rebooted because of a triple fault, most likely overheating
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1420 [10:04:11] <g0zzy> Well, in normal operation, no sign of thermal issues ever arises
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1422 [10:04:36] <mender27> Morning :).
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1439 [10:12:06] <mender27> Is it still possible to install and configure an alternative init system on Debian?
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1443 [10:14:07] <babilen> mender27: Sure, they might not be as well tested and/or integrated, but you can install and use them
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1445 [10:14:41] <mender27> babilen: I just looked into the package repositories and apparently runit is packaged with some systemd integration even :). I'll have a look, thanks!
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1447 [10:15:44] <mender27> I guess my next step is learning how to package for Debian then.
1448 [10:16:14] <HeXiLeD> any issues disabling PackageKit Daemon from systemctl ?
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1451 [10:16:38] <babilen> mender27: In the end it depends on how much you care, what you expect to gain by it, how much work you are willing to do in order to deal with bugs that weren't reported (due to little exposure) and how much you know about dealing with them in a productive manner
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1454 [10:17:41] <babilen> In the end having multiple well integrated and functioning init systems would be great, but time and resources are finite, so I'd expect systemd to be the "safest" choice for now
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1473 [10:26:00] <mender27> babilen: yes, I'm fully aware of that :). I did try runit once on Jessie and was quite happy with it, but it's not a top priority for me. I'd rather help with bug testing and packaging for the stuff that matters a bit more.
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1477 [10:26:45] <mender27> That's why I'm running vanilla Sid with Openbox on my main workstation. The rest runs Stretch.
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1479 [10:27:07] <babilen> Fair enough, have fun! :)
1480 [10:27:31] <mender27> Thanks a lot! Though there is way too many interesting things to do at once ;D.
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1507 [10:41:43] <gpunk> good morning
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1509 [10:42:09] <gpunk> I upgraded my jessie to stretch , I ended up have a couple of issues
1510 [10:42:30] <gpunk> I cant activate php_pgsql
1511 [10:42:40] <gpunk> and firewalld wont restart
1512 [10:42:49] <gpunk> any help ?
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1516 [10:45:20] <leibniz> yea
1517 [10:45:27] <leibniz> i also need to install weechat 1.9
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1536 [10:53:10] <g0zzy> gpunk: dmesg, journalctl -b
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1540 [10:53:53] <zxd> what prints "you have new mail in /var/spool/ ...." message to the terminal
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1548 [10:55:39] <darsie> How do I make firefox display pdfs in okular? I set Applications/pdf to okular, but it still opens them in gimp, and only when I click the pdf in the download arrow menu, not right after clicking the pdf link.
1549 [10:56:18] <darsie> ahh, there's another pdf setting ...
1550 [10:56:51] <gpunk> g0zzy: thnx,, I saw it beeing disabled, so I enabled it with php5enmod pgsql
1551 [10:56:51] <gpunk> php5enmod pdo_pgsql
1552 [10:57:04] <gpunk> still no luck
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1554 [10:57:07] <darsie> works now
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1590 [11:06:20] <gpunk> firewalld is fixed now, but for php_pgsql
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1595 [11:06:42] <gpunk> it is installing php-pgsql_1%3a7.0+49_all.deb
1596 [11:06:51] <gpunk> and I have php5 , is that normal ?
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1599 [11:08:01] <jelly> it's normal for jessie, less normal for stretch
1600 [11:08:35] <gpunk> my website based on postgresql doesnt work anymore, I am really stuck
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1604 [11:11:01] <thms> I've been trying to cron this for so many days: 9 11 * * * /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 163.172.16.181 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT
1605 [11:11:06] <thms> what's wrong with it ?
1606 [11:11:13] <thms> I placed in /etc/cron.d/afi
1607 [11:11:19] <thms> afi is name chosen by me
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1611 [11:13:34] <jelly> thms: that's a global crontab file, so you're missing the username column after time definition, before the command
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1614 [11:14:00] <jelly> 9 11 * * * root /sbin/iptables -I INPUT -s 163.172.16.181 -p tcp --dport 443 -j ACCEPT
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1618 [11:15:00] <jelly> thms: man 5 crontab, there's a section called "Jobs in /etc/cron.d/"
1619 [11:15:05] <thms> damn it
1620 [11:15:15] <thms> 2 days for that :D;, thanks
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1622 [11:15:42] <jelly> finding the right manual to read can be fun, eh
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1630 [11:20:35] <Donatas> Hi debianphiles
1631 [11:21:04] <Donatas> Could someone explain why debian stretch out of the box doesn't even support usb android phone, when jessy version did ?
1632 [11:21:27] <Donatas> Whats the deal, why its going backwards ?
1633 [11:21:43] <Donatas> I'm using debian xfce
1634 [11:22:27] <Donatas> device seam to be recognised by OS which I have checked using a command that I do not remember anymore
1635 [11:22:33] <Donatas> but it doesn't mount
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1637 [11:23:15] <vlt> thms: You can run `crontab -e` to edit your user crontab file directly.
1638 [11:23:19] <Donatas> Anyone ? Any suggestions ? Just to let you I did try to instal mtp-tools
1639 [11:23:31] <thms> vlt, yes, I know that :) thanks!
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1642 [11:23:50] <Donatas> p.s. windows 10 works fine, no crashes, no blue screens
1643 [11:23:51] <thms> But we prefer to keep em in directories with names related so it doesnt get a mess whre nyou have 1k users :)
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1648 [11:25:14] <Silvester> hey guys, sorry to bother you - i'm sort of new to the whole *nix thing, but i can't help but notice that after uninstalling evolution (sudo apt-get remove evolution) even after a few days the evolution processes (daemons?) are still running
1649 [11:25:24] <Silvester> perhaps i did this the wrong way
1650 [11:25:27] <Silvester> how do i get rid of those
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1652 [11:26:31] <Silvester> replaced-url
1653 [11:26:39] <thms> does crontab -r* remove something ? (I don't want ot try)
1654 [11:27:10] <Donatas> Silvester: As far as I can tell, evolution is highly integrated into the system with Gnome desktop
1655 [11:27:32] <Silvester> thms: is it save to just remove all current crontabs like that?
1656 [11:27:48] <Silvester> Donatas: :( so, even if I want to use another mail client, I am stuck with evo's background things?
1657 [11:27:58] <thms> Silvester, someone accidently typed this.
1658 [11:28:13] <Silvester> that's a very Microsoft-brings-you-Windows-98 kind of deal with the integration
1659 [11:28:27] <Silvester> i don't want to accidentally type that hahaha
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1661 [11:28:33] <thms> crontab: invalid option -- '*' @ Silvester :)
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1669 [11:29:26] <Donatas> Silvester: Thats what ubuntu team had to go through to decouple evolution from the system so that user have a choice, on debian it is still there integrated. You can remove, but then you need to know exacly all the packages... In some cases, from my experience, its impossible to truly remove without breaking the order of packages
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1671 [11:30:03] <Silvester> thanks Donatas!
1672 [11:30:09] <Silvester> that's rather unfortunate... but I can live with it
1673 [11:30:27] <Silvester> I'm loving Debian so far, been a Windows user up until a few days ago :) thank you all for the experience
1674 [11:30:38] <mender27> Does anyone have experience with Debian on iMacs? I have this late-2009 Intel iMac that unfortunately is too old for MacOS X, but can be converted to a reasonably fast Linux machine (Core Duo 2 GHz, 2GB RAM, Radeon X1600 graphics).
1675 [11:30:51] <mender27> Silvester: welcome to the new world! :D
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1679 [11:31:17] <Donatas> You could leave some packages that are there, its not a bit deal, not big footprint. I would probably even leave evolution and use other client
1680 [11:31:32] <Donatas> ps. xfce doesnt have evolution integration
1681 [11:31:46] <Donatas> not sure about other desktop env
1682 [11:32:00] <gpunk> jelly: I fixed it :)
1683 [11:32:18] <mender27> Donatas: I thought only GNOME3 has Evolution integration, no?
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1685 [11:32:49] <Donatas> mender27: Yes I think so also, but not sure about mate, cinnamon
1686 [11:33:22] <Silvester> mender27 : I saw somebody running Mint on an iMac from that era, so presumably it should run fine? I have no experience with it myself though. also thanks! :)
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1689 [11:34:43] <Silvester> there seems to be a guide on the Debian wiki for a 10.1 iMac (27 inch, late 2009) model. doesn't seem to be complete though :o
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1691 [11:35:00] <mender27> Silvester: ah, Mint? Then Debian with some tweaking (especially for the Broadcom wireless chip) would probably be fine. I just hope it's not the 32-bit EFI model.I could also open it up to see what I'm up against :D.
1692 [11:35:35] <Silvester> good luck! :)
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1694 [11:37:18] <mender27> Ah, I might actually be lucky, because this model has an Atheros wifi! Much like the partially broken MacBook (non-Pro) from the same vintage, I guess. Will investigate and do a write-up perchance.
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1705 [11:40:32] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to know if this product will have debian friendly drivers? replaced-url
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1710 [11:44:19] <kmlsls> I need to setup 3 primary dns server for my company, I am using ansible for server configuration, Can I use my 3 dns servers without using master/slave?
1711 [11:45:08] <mender27> Trap-Chan: apart from googling the model, I wouldn't know, but I think it should. No reason Linux should not have Bluray support :).
1712 [11:45:14] <enyc> kmlsls: i used to have asscripted system that scp'ed data files to each server ;p
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1714 [11:45:56] <kmlsls> enyc: my dns is managed by ansible too
1715 [11:46:04] <Trap-Chan> mender27, I didn't know if BD had like manu specific chips and you needed exactly the right propriatary drivers to get the most out of your hardware.
1716 [11:46:09] <enyc> kmlsls: ok i dont know all about ansible
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1718 [11:46:44] <kmlsls> my questiones, is about dns? do I need master/slave?
1719 [11:46:51] <Trap-Chan> also do you guys know how a slotload drive like that would handle being mounted horizontally instead of vertically? or how well they handle non uniform sized disks?
1720 [11:46:57] <kmlsls> if copy my data using an external tool
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1722 [11:47:44] <enyc> kmlsls: how does the DATA get into the dns servers?
1723 [11:47:52] <enyc> kmlsls: i mean i know the basic serevr config managed by ansible
1724 [11:48:01] <enyc> kmlsls: but what about all the A/AAAA records etc etc
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1726 [11:49:25] <Trap-Chan> so weird. widevine keeps crashing. i wonder if it's because i switched from my neighbor's internet back to mine since mine got reconnected?
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1728 [11:51:21] <mender27> Trap-Chan: unfortunately, optical drives are something I'm not familiar with :D.
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1732 [11:51:39] <mender27> At least not on such an intimate level.
1733 [11:51:52] <kmlsls> enyc: the data is managed by ansible too
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1738 [11:54:11] <enyc> kmlsls: withotu nknowing ansixle specifically, i would have thought//expected it could just put data into all the auth servers separately, no need to use AXFR protocol per-se. This way, you avoid ''master'' serevr benig down and none of the others being able to update etc.
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1740 [11:54:42] <enyc> kmlsls: there is a #ansible channel on freenode.....
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1742 [11:55:16] <kmlsls> enyc: thanks, but the question was about, I can avoid master/slave
1743 [11:55:21] <kmlsls> anyway thanks
1744 [11:55:38] <enyc> kmlsls: well that what i was saying
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1748 [11:55:52] <enyc> kmlsls: if ansible can put all the data into all the dns servers directly, all of them being 'masters' ...
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1751 [11:56:02] <enyc> kmlsls: then you don't need AXFR master//slave i would think
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1753 [11:56:12] <enyc> kmlsls: but be SPECIFIC -- what did you MEAN by ''master//slave''
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1757 [11:56:37] <kmlsls> enync: I will try to check the dns rfc
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1760 [11:56:48] <enyc> kmlsls: aurgh there be dragons
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1762 [11:57:09] <enyc> kmlsls: AXFR basically just refers to dns duplication by port 53 dns connections, making an AXFR request ;p
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1764 [11:57:41] <enyc> kmlsls: replaced-url
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1779 [12:04:25] <bezaban> multi-master authorative should be ok as long as you're not dynamically updating the zone and keep them in sync
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1907 [13:06:30] <Vizva> i did a install on a usb encrypted with debian 9.its Sandisk Ultra Stick.It say cryptsetup lvm isnt avalaible.But i have another stick a sandisk Extremme .it work there. someone maybe know why . in openbsd i can install too on the ultra but i takes some times to identify, searching for the scsii ports
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1912 [13:08:32] <xuhui> hi
1913 [13:08:41] <mender27> xuhui: hello again ;D
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1933 [13:19:12] <xuhui> :D
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1939 [13:23:56] <gpunk> hi since I updated jessie to stretch,
1940 [13:24:11] <gpunk> I get IPs instead of hostnames with w who and last
1941 [13:24:16] <gpunk> any ideas ?
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1944 [13:25:10] <enyc> gpunk: hrrm i do too
1945 [13:25:18] <gpunk> ;)
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1956 [13:29:46] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
1957 [13:30:12] <babilen> Afternoon, what can we do for you?
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1965 [13:32:22] <BluesKaj> Hi babilen, nothing yet, I did have an odd shutdown last night tho, a stop job that took 90 secs to complete
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1969 [13:33:19] <babilen> And you came here to ask about that?
1970 [13:33:24] <BluesKaj> no menu were apps open at the time
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1972 [13:34:08] <BluesKaj> not specifically
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1975 [13:34:38] <apollo13> ah the joys of systemd on shutdown, are you using gdm3? :D
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1978 [13:37:01] <BluesKaj> apollo13, no, kde/plasma
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1983 [13:44:56] <gpunk> enyc: and no fix about that ?
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1987 [13:46:49] <donatas> If anyone is maintaining debian distros, gvfs-backends should be installed by default on debian stretch xfce, as without it thunar would not auto-mount USB mobile device
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1991 [13:49:43] <Vizva> i think the chip in the extreme stick is low quality
1992 [13:49:53] <Vizva> no worng in the ultra stick
1993 [13:49:55] <Vizva> wrong
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1995 [13:50:02] <Vizva> the extreme stick is good
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1997 [13:51:04] <armin> donatas: sure everybody would want that just because they install a graphical environment? (i'm not maintaining one, i'm just curious...)
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1999 [13:52:28] <iodev> Vizva: you mean kingston?
2000 [13:52:39] <Vizva> sandisk
2001 [13:52:45] <iodev> ahh, ok
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2003 [13:53:03] <Vizva> i have extreme sticks i can use them near like a ssd
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2007 [13:53:29] <Vizva> but the ultry stick isnt so good not so fast and warranty too,low
2008 [13:53:37] <Vizva> +a
2009 [13:53:40] <donatas> assuming that everyone has a mobile and its quite likely they would plug it as usb device MTP mode, I would say its a must feature to work and without this package thunar can't automount USB MTP device
2010 [13:54:12] <iodev> I just use command line
2011 [13:54:13] <iodev> and jmptfs
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2014 [13:54:33] <iodev> I wish android used mass-storage
2015 [13:54:45] <donatas> well, there are many things you can do, but GUI is probably still the future for most users
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2017 [13:54:56] <donatas> besides, automation is the way forward
2018 [13:55:07] <CQ> if I wakeonlan a machine, how would I best check if it's up? sleep a minute and ping?
2019 [13:55:11] <iodev> GUI, GUI, please donatas, the command line is the best!
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2021 [13:55:33] <iodev> for me, a gui should allow me quick access to cli, if it does that it's good ;-)
2022 [13:56:11] <donatas> its good on many things, e.g. mpsyt, but still, just because there is manual gearbox and petrol engines, doesn't mean you need to refuse automatic gearboxes and electric cars
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2036 [14:03:56] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
2037 [14:03:56] <mitmf> bash: sudo: command not found <— what’s wrong?
2038 [14:04:15] <tremolo> Nothing. All is as it should be.
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2041 [14:04:27] <mitmf> why i cant’ install it?
2042 [14:04:34] <tremolo> Do you have sudo installed?
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2045 [14:06:15] <jelly> mitmf: avoid running pip install as root, that way lies pain and suffering
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2047 [14:06:33] <jelly> set up virtualenv and install whatever you want in there
2048 [14:07:19] <mitmf> virtualenv
2049 [14:07:33] <mitmf> tremolo: how can i install sudo?
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2051 [14:08:30] <tremolo> as root: apt install sudo
2052 [14:08:36] <mitmf> oh
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2055 [14:09:02] <tremolo> Or, if you're already root, don't worry about it and just don't run sudo.
2056 [14:09:20] <mitmf> tremolo: i m user now instead of root
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2059 [14:09:47] <mitmf> jelly: how can i install virtualenv?
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2064 [14:13:09] <jelly> mitmf: it's in virtualenv package.
2065 [14:13:45] <jelly> mitmf: use "su -" with root's password in a terminal to open a root shell
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2067 [14:14:22] <mitmf> ok thanks
2068 [14:14:43] <jelly> mitmf: if you prefer sudo, install sudo, add your normal user to sudo group: "adduser username sudo", log off and back on
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2084 [14:17:57] <kurolox> Hello! I'm looking to do a headless debian install in my server, since it won't be running a display. Is it worth it, or should I just attach a screen and run the usual debian install?
2085 [14:17:58] <CQ> does anacron run daily, hourly, or every minute?
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2087 [14:18:27] <mitmf> adduser username sudo <— this is required? jelly ?
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2092 [14:19:28] <mitmf> adduser abc sudo
2093 [14:19:29] <mitmf> bash: adduser: command not found
2094 [14:19:37] <mitmf> jelly: what’s wrong?
2095 [14:20:03] <evolution_> using dpkg-split and then uploading to my apt server will whole package will be installed or only a part of it?
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2097 [14:20:57] <tremolo> kurolox: Are you asking about doing the install with no screen attached, or whether it's worth not installing a desktop environment package?
2098 [14:22:20] <tremolo> kurolox: The latter, definitely; the former, maybe.
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2100 [14:22:42] <kurolox> The first one. I could attach a screen to the server to make the install easier, but it's not that accesible so I'd rather not.
2101 [14:22:51] <SuperSeriouCat> mitmf, you got to do "sudo adduser"
2102 [14:22:56] <tremolo> mitmf: Are you root?
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2105 [14:23:50] <mitmf> sudo adduser
2106 [14:23:51] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE
2107 [14:23:51] <mitmf> adduser: Only one or two names allowed.
2108 [14:24:14] <tremolo> kurolox: I've done installs over ssh, but I had a monitor attached to walk through the menus and load the ssh module, get an ip address, etc.
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2111 [14:25:02] <kurolox> tremolo I'll get working on that, then. Does the debian installer have an option for not installing a DE or graphical drivers?
2112 [14:25:17] <kurolox> or should I remove them post-install?
2113 [14:25:18] <tremolo> Well, I guess I've done debootstrap installs, but that's a little different.
2114 [14:25:23] <mitmf> tremolo: and SuperSeriouCat ?
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2116 [14:25:43] <tremolo> kurolox: Should be able to just not select the desktop tasks during install.
2117 [14:25:49] <SuperSeriouCat> mitmf, copy your whole line here
2118 [14:26:14] <mitmf> sudo adduser
2119 [14:26:15] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE
2120 [14:26:15] <mitmf> adduser: Only one or two names allowed.
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2122 [14:27:04] <SuperSeriouCat> You need to add the name of your user after. "sudo adduser <name>"
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2124 [14:27:52] <mitmf> adduser username sudo <— i already do it. SuperSeriouCat
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2126 [14:28:17] <tremolo> The point of adding yourself to the sudo group is so you can use sudo. If you can use sudo to do this, then you don't need to.
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2130 [14:29:15] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
2131 [14:29:16] <mitmf> sudo: unable to resolve host CDE.
2132 [14:29:17] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found. tremolo
2133 [14:29:48] <mitmf> but host can’t use sudo tremolo
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2147 [14:33:21] <SuperSeriouCat> You dont have access to "su root"? If you do edit /etc/sudoers and add your name with the same arguments as root user down in the document
2148 [14:33:37] <mitmf> SuperSeriouCat: what’s wrong?
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2159 [14:38:02] <mitmf> replaced-url
2160 [14:38:06] <`Kevin> mitmf: does your machine hostname match within /etc/hosts? sounds like you renamed your host but didnt update the fil
2161 [14:38:14] <`Kevin> or well exactly that
2162 [14:38:29] <mitmf> `Kevin: thanks i will try it
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2164 [14:38:49] <mitmf> why debian is too difficult to use?
2165 [14:38:51] <mitmf> :(
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2171 [14:39:59] <drinks2go> hey all
2172 [14:40:08] <mitmf> `Kevin: thanks i changed hostname before but i never change /etc/hosts file :)
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2174 [14:40:32] <drinks2go> Can someone please answer is it safe to put a system account into gid 100 ?
2175 [14:40:43] <drinks2go> I am in permissions hell
2176 [14:40:46] <mitmf> sudo pip install pybombs
2177 [14:40:47] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found
2178 [14:40:50] <BluesKaj> mitmf, you must change both host files
2179 [14:40:59] <mitmf> oh good thanks :)
2180 [14:41:13] <mitmf> BluesKaj: anyway what’s wrong?
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2182 [14:41:52] <BluesKaj> change /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
2183 [14:42:05] <mitmf> BluesKaj: i did it already
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2185 [14:42:12] <BluesKaj> ok
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2187 [14:42:14] <mitmf> sudo: pip: command not found <— BluesKaj what’s wrong?
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2194 [14:44:03] <drinks2go> anybody? system account into users group? danger? no big deal?
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2197 [14:44:47] <tremolo> mitmf: Do you have pip installed?
2198 [14:44:55] <BluesKaj> pip, what does that do? I meant if ou want to change your hostname you must change it in both /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname
2199 [14:45:00] <mitmf> tremolo: but there is no pip
2200 [14:45:18] <tremolo> Well, you're telling sudo to run pip as root.
2201 [14:45:21] <mitmf> sudo apt-get install pip
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2204 [14:45:28] <mitmf> there is no pip
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2206 [14:45:45] <tremolo> That's what sudo is telling you.
2207 [14:45:57] <`Kevin> ^
2208 [14:46:34] <mitmf> sudo apt-get install python-pip <— this is correct?
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2210 [14:47:00] <jolt> mitmf: yes. But I usually do this instead: apt get install python-setuptools ; easy_install pip
2211 [14:47:08] <jolt> Because then you get the latest version of pip
2212 [14:47:18] <jolt> If you don't need it, well, then python-pip is perfect
2213 [14:47:44] <mitmf> then i will do ‘sudo apt-get install python-pip'
2214 [14:47:50] <jolt> +1
2215 [14:47:51] <mitmf> debian is too hard to me
2216 [14:47:55] <mitmf> :(
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2219 [14:48:42] <jolt> mitmf: You're doing great
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2222 [14:48:50] <mitmf> thanks :)
2223 [14:48:51] <kurolox> tremolo I'm done with the install, but after booting it this happens
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2225 [14:48:53] <kurolox> replaced-url
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2227 [14:49:29] <kurolox> I'll brb
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2229 [14:49:44] <drinks2go> ?
2230 [14:49:55] <tremolo> So, /dev/sdc1 does not exist. Did it change when you removed the install media?
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2232 [14:50:09] <yoyoweqw> hi
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2236 [14:50:25] <soso> hello
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2238 [14:50:36] <kurolox> I'm not sure, since I can't check fdisk right now
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2241 [14:50:55] <kurolox> Right now the only storage plugged in is the one that haves debian installed
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2243 [14:51:05] <tremolo> Can you `ls /dev/sd*`?
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2247 [14:52:09] <kurolox> there's dev/sda and dev/sdb (also sdb1, sdb2 and sdb5)
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2249 [14:52:15] <kurolox> there's no sdc though
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2254 [14:53:42] <`Kevin> kurolox: try mounting whichever partition is your rootfs and editing etc/fstab (update it to sdb from sdc)
2255 [14:54:05] <`Kevin> im guessing sdb2 or sdb5
2256 [14:54:28] <`Kevin> <- afk
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2258 [14:55:09] <`Kevin> ah sorry also I think busybox has a vi for editing iirc
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2262 [14:55:36] <tremolo> I'm guessing sdb1, assuming there's no sda1. The partition number wouldn't have changed.
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2264 [14:57:21] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2270 [14:58:54] <BluesKaj> kurolox, tremolo what about e2fsck /dev/sda and the other partitions?
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2285 [15:04:24] <kurolox> sorry, I was away
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2289 [15:05:34] <kurolox> it seems like I can't mount any of them
2290 [15:06:21] <kurolox> I've done 'mkdir mount' and 'mount /dev/sdXY /mount', but it says that there's no such file or directory
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2292 [15:06:39] <kurolox> ls
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2299 [15:08:33] <kurolox> also BluesKaj, it complains about not finding any media on dev/sda
2300 [15:08:57] <kurolox> same with dev/sdb
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2302 [15:10:48] <BluesKaj> kurolox, ok, I see it now ..is there more than one drive whether usb or sata hdd ?
2303 [15:11:00] <kurolox> no
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2305 [15:11:09] <BluesKaj> ok, not good
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2307 [15:11:25] <kurolox> actually sorry, I was wrong
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2309 [15:11:45] <kurolox> e2fsck detects dev/sdb, but the message was quite similar compared to dev/sda
2310 [15:11:54] <kurolox> it complains about bad magic number in super-block
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2312 [15:12:22] <kurolox> replaced-url
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2314 [15:13:35] <BluesKaj> is the an option offered to fix like yes or no?
2315 [15:13:45] <kurolox> no
2316 [15:13:51] <kurolox> just what you see
2317 [15:14:02] <kurolox> I've tried running e2fsck with that two superblocks, but I get the same output
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2321 [15:15:17] <kurolox> I'll try installing debian again, but this time watching carefully the partitioning
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2332 [15:17:13] <tremolo> kurolox: BluesKaj: /dev/sdb doesn't contain a filesystem. It contains a partition table.
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2336 [15:18:42] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you use separate / (root) and /home partitions , it's a good policy that can save time and all your config settinhs if you ned to reinstall then just reinstall to / and set the mountpoint for /home without reformatting it
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2340 [15:19:28] <tremolo> That's why /dev/sdb{1,2,5} exist, and one or more of them likely contain filesystems. I expect /dev/sdb1 to contain the root filesystem.
2341 [15:19:59] <kurolox> Actually I just went for the simple install with everything in the same partition
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2345 [15:21:03] <BluesKaj> is this a UEFI or BIOS pc ?
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2349 [15:22:00] <kurolox> bios
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2354 [15:23:51] <CQ> do debian systems automatically run ntp / ntpdate or something like that? I have a machine whose time is off
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2358 [15:24:52] <BluesKaj> kurolox, then installing should be simple and easy, unless you have valuable data on any of the partitions
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2368 [15:26:06] <kurolox> I don't have any valuable data. I did a full install in the drive, using a single partition. I'm doing it again just to be sure
2369 [15:27:14] <BluesKaj> kurolox, suggest you use gparted live media to reset your partiton(s)
2370 [15:27:20] <Ormu> CQ: systemd-timesyncd seems to be running on my computer at least
2371 [15:27:53] <kurolox> BluesKaj I'll probably just zero the drive
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2374 [15:28:10] <kurolox> if this time it doesn't work, I mean
2375 [15:28:17] <BluesKaj> just format it
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2400 [15:39:45] <kurolox> BluesKaj
2401 [15:39:48] <kurolox> same stuff happens
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2403 [15:40:30] <kurolox> when installing debian it was installing to /dev/sdc
2404 [15:40:55] <kurolox> but after removing the install USB it seems like it's now /dev/sdb, and the system is trying to launch /dev/sdc
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2411 [15:44:34] <JPT> Use uuids to circumvent this issue
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2419 [15:49:24] <forcerecon> what is the command to see what version of something is in the repos? Is there a way
2420 [15:49:28] <BluesKaj> kurolox, remove the other partitions with gparted and create a new ext4
2421 [15:49:38] <JPT> apt-cache search something
2422 [15:50:05] <JPT> The version should be included in there ... i hope
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2433 [15:53:42] <kurolox> BluesKaj does this looks good? replaced-url
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2437 [15:55:36] <BluesKaj> kurolox, yes
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2439 [15:55:50] <kurolox> so do I install again?
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2441 [15:56:14] <forcerecon> Hey BluesKaj...
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2443 [15:56:29] <BluesKaj> yes kurolox , go for it :-)
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2452 [15:59:47] <kurolox> So BluesKaj, do I use a guided partitioning method or do I go manual and select the ext4 partition?
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2456 [16:01:14] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2461 [16:03:05] <aleogala> i am trying to get debian to run in console-mode (ctrl alt f1) with two monitors but with each monitor showing a separate terminal. is that possible?
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2464 [16:03:44] <aleogala> i know I can split terminals with tmux, but for that to be usable this way I would first need to make linux recognise the two screens as one so that I can "expand" tmux onto the second screen
2465 [16:03:54] <aleogala> does anyone have an idea on how to achieve that?
2466 [16:04:07] <klys> aleogala, perhaps with two graphical terminal emulators
2467 [16:04:34] <klys> virtual terminals are not supported by systemd-logind.
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2469 [16:04:51] <aleogala> klys: yes, but for that i would need x running. I want the system to be headless eventually
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2471 [16:05:22] <klys> aleogala, consider that you may need to disable virtual terminal support in your kernel
2472 [16:05:47] <klys> read about multiseat
2473 [16:06:33] <aleogala> klys: i will look into that, thanks
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2480 [16:08:54] <zaoqi> How can I get the minimal root filesystem?(armhf,armel) Kindle will halt when running debootstrap.
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2482 [16:09:28] <klys> zaoqi, have you tried running /lib/ld-linux.so.3 yet?
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2484 [16:10:11] <zaoqi> klys, why run it?
2485 [16:10:21] <klys> zaoqi, to make sure it's working
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2487 [16:10:40] <BluesKaj> kurolox, I always use manual, then you have more control over the partitoning
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2492 [16:11:19] <zaoqi> klys, Kindle will install some packages,then halt.
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2494 [16:11:52] <klys> zaoqi, i'm afraid you need a bit more than an amazon kindle to install debian.
2495 [16:12:11] <Ormu> so Virtualbox is excluded from Debian Stable repos because the devs do not maintain a "stable" version of their software by pushing patches, but instead bump the version number constantly and apply bugfixes to new version? Is that even partially correct?
2496 [16:12:41] <Ormu> (I mean, did I understand it correctly?)
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2499 [16:13:17] <klys> ormu, debian bumps versions of patched packages, yes
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2501 [16:14:03] <zaoqi> klys, so I'm using Ubuntu,minimal root filesystem:replaced-url
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2503 [16:14:35] <klys> zaoqi, so does the linker-loader run for you, or not?
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2508 [16:15:43] <greycat> replaced-url
2509 [16:15:44] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2517 [16:18:18] <Ormu> greycat: yeah... that's what i thought.
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2530 [16:23:29] <cesurasean> can you guys help me solve a driver issue?
2531 [16:23:36] <cesurasean> its on post at start up
2532 [16:23:40] <cesurasean> on jessie
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2535 [16:23:54] <greycat> If it's during POST, it's not related to drivers.
2536 [16:23:55] <tx> Tell us what's up first
2537 [16:23:57] <tx> we might. :)
2538 [16:23:58] <cesurasean> b43-phy0
2539 [16:24:05] <cesurasean> driverfirmware needed
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2541 [16:24:22] <cesurasean> i have an old dell inspiron that wont load some card in it
2542 [16:24:33] <cesurasean> maybe the wifi card
2543 [16:24:36] <cesurasean> or something
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2545 [16:24:46] <greycat> cesurasean: is this during an install, or is the system already installed? Does the system have Internet access some other way, e.g. via ethernet cable?
2546 [16:24:52] <cesurasean> on post
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2548 [16:24:57] <cesurasean> system is installed and functional
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2550 [16:25:08] <tremolo> b43 is broadcom wireless; not during post, but during boot.
2551 [16:25:14] <greycat> POST is the firmware's start-up, BEFORE GRUB loads, BEFORE Linux loads.
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2553 [16:25:27] <cesurasean> bah
2554 [16:25:35] <cesurasean> its on the before linux loads
2555 [16:25:46] <cesurasean> yeh
2556 [16:25:48] <cesurasean> during boot
2557 [16:25:56] <cesurasean> ok how do i install this broadcom driver
2558 [16:25:59] <greycat> If the system boots, then just *ignore* what the BIOS/Firmware is saying.
2559 [16:26:01] <cesurasean> and why isnt it loaded auto with jessie
2560 [16:26:06] <cesurasean> no
2561 [16:26:08] <cesurasean> its annoying
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2564 [16:26:14] <cesurasean> how do i install the driver lol
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2566 [16:26:21] <cesurasean> and why isnt it part of the OS
2567 [16:26:27] <cesurasean> this is a really old laptop
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2569 [16:26:42] <tremolo> It's missing firmware, which isn't included because of licensing issues.
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2571 [16:26:51] <greycat> cesurasean: run lspci -nn and find the line for your device and paste the line here
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2575 [16:27:29] <cesurasean> that just gives me the docs
2576 [16:27:31] <cesurasean> doesnt run a command
2577 [16:27:39] <greycat> lspci -nn
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2579 [16:27:49] <cesurasean> oh sorry, put --
2580 [16:28:10] <cesurasean> BCM4318
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2582 [16:28:15] <cesurasean> airforce one 54g
2583 [16:28:23] <greycat> Paste the line here so we get the PCI ID.
2584 [16:28:33] <cesurasean> i cant paste
2585 [16:28:37] <cesurasean> headless system
2586 [16:28:43] <greycat> Then find trhe PCI ID and type it.
2587 [16:28:55] <cesurasean> how do i pastebin through term
2588 [16:29:00] <greycat> it will be [xxxx:yyyy]
2589 [16:29:02] <cesurasean> is it possible yet with jessie
2590 [16:29:12] <cesurasean> 14e4:4318
2591 [16:29:19] <greycat> ,pciid 14e4:4318
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2593 [16:29:21] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
2594 [16:29:24] <greycat> shit
2595 [16:29:44] <cesurasean> MY SYSTEM IS BROKEN
2596 [16:29:45] <cesurasean> :D
2597 [16:29:51] <greycat> ok, google tells me replaced-url
2598 [16:30:18] <cesurasean> 1 sec
2599 [16:30:21] <cesurasean> testing then reboot
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2603 [16:30:47] <cesurasean> apt-get install firmware-b43-installer
2604 [16:30:50] <cesurasean> no package
2605 [16:30:52] <cesurasean> its not in repo
2606 [16:30:54] <cesurasean> for jessie
2607 [16:30:55] <cesurasean> lol
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2609 [16:30:59] <tx> heh
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2612 [16:31:03] <tx> is it non-free? ;)
2613 [16:31:04] <cesurasean> sorry
2614 [16:31:07] <Ormu> :O
2615 [16:31:08] <cesurasean> dunno
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2617 [16:31:12] <greycat> cesurasean: you have to enable non-free
2618 [16:31:15] <cesurasean> oh i see
2619 [16:31:17] <cesurasean> sorry
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2622 [16:31:41] <greycat> cesurasean: replaced-url
2623 [16:32:04] <greycat> I'm gonna go update that page so it doesn't say wheezy ...
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2625 [16:32:39] <cesurasean> lol
2626 [16:32:48] <cesurasean> why not just reflect the version auto
2627 [16:32:50] <cesurasean> in every page
2628 [16:32:57] <cesurasean> to reflect current stable with a variable
2629 [16:33:08] <greycat> Why not just solve world hunger with magical unicorn rainbows?
2630 [16:33:17] <Silvester> hey guys, ever since I installed Debian my computer boots into the f12 boot menu first, and I have no idea how to make it boot straight to the OS. i reset my BIOS settings to default, but not much happened. i am not sure what causes this?
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2633 [16:33:45] <cesurasean> its telling me duplicate entry on apt-get update
2634 [16:33:47] <jelly> cesurasean: because things sometimes change, and verifying the instructions are still correct once per release makes sense
2635 [16:34:02] <greycat> cesurasean: you EDIT a line, you don't ADD a line
2636 [16:34:08] <cesurasean> oh
2637 [16:34:10] <cesurasean> which one do i edit
2638 [16:34:11] <cesurasean> lol
2639 [16:34:27] <jelly> !non-free sources
2640 [16:34:28] <dpkg> Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main Debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then «apt-get update». But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. See also <sources.list>.
2641 [16:34:29] <tremolo> The one that looks like the one you added
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2644 [16:35:20] <cesurasean> sorry
2645 [16:35:30] <kurolox> BluesKaj same issues, I'm just going to give up on debian
2646 [16:35:45] <kurolox> I still don't understand what happens, grub works fine, it just refuses to look for the proper device
2647 [16:35:53] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you format the drive ?
2648 [16:36:06] <kurolox> I showed you the screenshot when I did it
2649 [16:36:16] <cesurasean> ok installing driver then going down for reboot
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2653 [16:36:50] <BluesKaj> kurolox, oh right
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2655 [16:36:54] <tremolo> kurolox: Is it still looking for /dev/sdc1?
2656 [16:37:00] <kurolox> yes
2657 [16:37:07] <kurolox> it still looks for /dev/sdc1
2658 [16:37:15] <kurolox> it should be looking for /dev/sdb1
2659 [16:37:29] <tremolo> Can you mount /dev/sdb1?
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2662 [16:37:56] <kurolox> no, it refuses to do so
2663 [16:38:07] <cesurasean> ok issue solved
2664 [16:38:10] <cesurasean> thank you
2665 [16:38:12] <BluesKaj> kurolox, what did you use to create the image on the usb stick?
2666 [16:38:15] <tremolo> Ideally, you would have it use a disk/partition ID rather than a device name.
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2670 [16:39:04] <kurolox> BluesKaj 'dd if=/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx bs=1M status=progress'
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2675 [16:40:04] <BluesKaj> sdx?
2676 [16:40:14] <kurolox> well, sdd
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2681 [16:41:55] <LtL> kurolox: you said it should look for /dev/sdb ? not sdd
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2683 [16:42:05] <tremolo> kurolox: What does "refuses to [mount]" look like?
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2685 [16:42:48] <tremolo> LtL: Install media is sdd on the system used to prepare it. This is a post-install issue with it looking for the root fs on the wrong device.
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2689 [16:43:04] <LtL> tremolo: ah, apologies
2690 [16:43:09] <kurolox> LtL when I copied the debian ISO to the USB, said usb was sdd. Then when installing debian, said usb was sdb during install and the target storage was sdc. I installed debian in sdc, and after removing the install media sdc is now sdb, but it still tries lo launch from sdc
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2692 [16:43:31] <BluesKaj> kurolox, did you unmount the drive before using the dd command , sudo umount /dev/sdd ?
2693 [16:43:38] <rpw> I'm building a kernel and I'm not finding any good info on creating a configuration file
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2695 [16:44:01] <kurolox> yes, i unmounted it and I'm quite sure everything is fine because I did a md5sum check
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2697 [16:44:12] <rpw> Can anyone point me to a webpage which has tips for .config options for building a fast kernel without debugging
2698 [16:44:14] <kurolox> tremolo: mount: /dev/sdb1 on mnt failed: No such file or directory
2699 [16:44:23] <kurolox> both /dev/sdb1 exists and /mnt too
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2701 [16:44:34] <Ormu> is there a reason why it's "umount" and not "unmount"? is it something like the POSIX API function creat() ?
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2703 [16:44:42] <tremolo> Is "mnt" the same as "/mnt"?
2704 [16:44:44] <BluesKaj> sdb is probly the usb
2705 [16:44:47] <kurolox> it is, the cwd is /
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2707 [16:44:58] <kurolox> anyways, adding the / doesn't change the output
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2711 [16:46:00] <BluesKaj> kurolox, that's a pretty small hdd, how old is thi pc ?
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2713 [16:46:28] <kurolox> well, due to... physical limitations I'm installing debian inside a flash drive, instead of a proper HDD
2714 [16:47:19] <rpw> Kernel Config tips (.config) Anyone?
2715 [16:47:19] <enyc> kurolox: can work wel... beawre of write-limits however
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2717 [16:47:29] <enyc> kurolox: and the speed/qualihty of such drives varies hugely
2718 [16:47:47] <kurolox> yeah, I know. I plan on solving the issue eventually, but for now I'm stuck with this
2719 [16:47:57] <kurolox> the point is, it shouldn't really affect this
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2721 [16:48:04] <BluesKaj> kurolox, ok, then live images on usb s are iffy
2722 [16:48:17] <kurolox> I know that the USB is fine because it was running a different distribution until a few hours ago
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2724 [16:48:57] <BluesKaj> debian live images especially
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2726 [16:49:05] <tremolo> Installing from live images was (is?) broken, but not in this way as far as I know.
2727 [16:49:38] <BluesKaj> well, i'm out of ideas....
2728 [16:49:42] <johnkeates> it was? never had an issue with jessie or stretch
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2731 [16:49:55] <greycat> johnkeates: then you are in the minority
2732 [16:50:04] <johnkeates> tssk, johnkeates lives matter
2733 [16:50:11] <jelly> many other people did, if reports in this channel are to be trusted
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2735 [16:50:26] <johnkeates> could be that we use different methods? i always use debootstrap
2736 [16:50:34] <johnkeates> or maybe its a gui vs. cli thing?
2737 [16:50:51] <jelly> they used the embeddedded d-i started from live
2738 [16:51:00] <johnkeates> well, that's just asking for trouble
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2740 [16:51:19] <BluesKaj> kurolox, recommend the netinstall vs the gui install methos btw
2741 [16:51:21] <jelly> also, not the same thing
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2743 [16:51:44] <BluesKaj> method
2744 [16:52:06] <johnkeates> mentos, the freshmaker
2745 [16:52:10] <tremolo> johnkeates: Something about the installer not setting passwords, I think. I don't touch live images, so wouldn't have noticed.
2746 [16:52:16] <kurolox> I was using netinstall BluesKaj
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2751 [16:53:10] <Silvester> hello again guys! how do I get my PC to not boot automatically into the f12 boot menu?
2752 [16:53:17] <Silvester> strange question i know
2753 [16:53:24] <BluesKaj> kurolox, then i have no idea unless the usb is being corrupted somehow, which seems to be the case
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2758 [16:54:11] <kurolox> but again, the same usb was working perfectly with other OSes until a few hours ago
2759 [16:54:18] <kurolox> so the usb being corrupted is unlikely
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2761 [16:54:34] <tremolo> Stupid question, maybe. Does /mnt exist?
2762 [16:54:43] <kurolox> I made it manually with mkdir before mounting
2763 [16:55:23] <LtL> kurolox: it didnt happen to automount at /media ? mine does
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2765 [16:55:30] <tremolo> I don't think this points to an issue with the device at all. I've had this happen where the device name changes and everything falls apart until you tell it to look at the right devices.
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2767 [16:55:50] <kurolox> LtL I don't have a /media folder
2768 [16:56:03] <LtL> kurolox: ok rule that out.
2769 [16:56:19] <kurolox> I still feel like it's a grub issue
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2771 [16:56:30] <kurolox> shouldn't grub be the one looking for the proper device to launch?
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2774 [16:57:16] <greycat> GRUB just has to be able to read the kernel. It passes a string to the kernel as a parameter, suggesting the root file system device that the kernel might be interested in.
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2783 [16:59:53] <tremolo> kurolox: When you get to grub, do you have the option to press "e" to edit the entry? If so, are you able to specify the root device there and boot?
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2785 [17:00:18] <kurolox> I've done a really crappy workaround
2786 [17:00:29] <kurolox> it works now, but it's completely not ideal
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2789 [17:00:47] <lipe> list
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2791 [17:01:28] <kurolox> With both the live USB and the storage USB pluged in, I'm forcing in the bios to boot from the storage USB, so it still reads the live usb as sdb and the storage usb as sdc
2792 [17:01:41] <kurolox> so it boots properly that way, as long as I leave the live USB pluged in
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2797 [17:04:22] <tremolo> Not ideal for a long-term setup, but it got you in and now you can change it (GRUB, fstab) to use UUIDs instead of device node names.
2798 [17:04:55] <kurolox> yhm
2799 [17:05:00] <kurolox> fstab is using UUID already
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2801 [17:05:31] <kurolox> by the way, quick question, what is using debian by default for LAN?
2802 [17:05:34] <kurolox> networkd?
2803 [17:06:04] <greycat> Hell no. It still uses /etc/network/interfaces if you define your interface there.
2804 [17:06:27] <greycat> Interfaces not defined there often get picked up by network-manager, but that's not installed by default unless you install a DE.
2805 [17:06:40] <kurolox> so if I want to use networkd I don't have to disable anything?
2806 [17:06:50] <greycat> systemd networkd is NOT enabled by default, and if it ever gets enabled by default, we run to Devuan and do not look back.
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2814 [17:07:49] <person_> I would like to make a certain console program to use my terminal profile, how do I do that?
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2816 [17:08:25] <Haxord> Hi, I would like to rsync files to a samba network share (NAS). I will mount the share at /mnt/backup and want to periodically (or on changes to files) sync to the samba share. The share will thereafter sync with Amazon Glacier and keep the file on the NAS as well. Two questions: 1) Whats the best way to set up the rsync (cron, or is there any other tool). 2) Will I have to be concerned about partial transfers being backed up to Glacier before the trans
2817 [17:08:25] <Haxord> fer is done? There will only ever be new files - no deletions.
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2820 [17:09:57] <person_> also is it possible to make gnome-terminal have transparent background?
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2825 [17:12:39] <Haxord> @person_: replaced-url
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2827 [17:13:26] <Haxord> when you say make a program use your terminal profile - do you mean run it with you being the user that launched it?
2828 [17:14:21] <person_> Haxord: I don't have that setting in my Debian 9
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2832 [17:14:48] <person_> I mean launch a program in terminal and make this program use different colors than default
2833 [17:14:56] <person_> a different profile
2834 [17:15:17] <tremolo> kurolox: What about grub?
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2840 [17:17:22] <Haxord> person_: what about setting the colours as part of the script that launches your program?
2841 [17:17:26] <Haxord> example: setterm --term linux --background green -foreground blue --clear=all
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2845 [17:18:41] <person_> nice but can I switch to a different profile with that?
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2849 [17:19:31] <Haxord> person_: gnome-terminal --window-with-profile=<Profile_name>
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2859 [17:21:25] <person_> imangerah: thanks that worked!
2860 [17:21:33] <imangerah> pleasure :)
2861 [17:21:44] <person_> imangerah: you probably want to sync files as soon as anything changes?
2862 [17:22:06] <imangerah> doesnt have to be - but I only want complete files to be backed up to Glacier
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2865 [17:22:38] <person_> I don't know how good rsync is with that, you should probably experiment
2866 [17:22:40] <greycat> Impossible unless the uploading client takes some step like moving it to a new directory upon completion, or renaming it upon completion.
2867 [17:22:50] <person_> you could try checking the sha sum of the file before sending it
2868 [17:23:02] <person_> and maybe check the sum after somehow?
2869 [17:23:06] <greycat> Note that rsync uses a temporary name during the transfer, so you could just omit files that use rsync's temporary name format.
2870 [17:23:10] <imangerah> so Samba does not only make files visible after full transfer?
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2872 [17:23:56] <imangerah> ok - I have another solution. after rsync completes it moves all files into a child directory which is the directory that actually gets backed up
2873 [17:24:12] <imangerah> any issues you can think of?
2874 [17:24:28] <person_> so when the file is done transfering you move it somewhere else?
2875 [17:24:46] <imangerah> yes but moved on the remote NAS
2876 [17:25:04] <person_> I think that could work
2877 [17:25:05] <imangerah> so files go into /backup/ and then once done all complete files go into /backup/aws/
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2879 [17:25:28] <imangerah> thanks, will do some experimenting.
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2883 [17:25:43] <person_> good luck!
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2885 [17:27:11] <imangerah> rsync has an option: -T, --temp-dir=DIR create temporary files in directory DIR | think that solves my problem.
2886 [17:27:37] <person_> nice
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2911 [17:38:09] <Vizva> i did upgrade to 9 but now i have error on update the sources
2912 [17:38:19] <person_> what error?
2913 [17:39:17] <Vizva> moment i come later i need to bring this on console
2914 [17:39:20] <jelly> !basic apt troubleshooting
2915 [17:39:20] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2916 [17:39:23] <jelly> Vizva: ^^
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2922 [17:41:40] <vrd1> Regarding windows virtual guest in virt manager
2923 [17:42:03] <vrd1> which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools?
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2933 [17:45:32] <rpw> jmcnaught: I used make menuconfig and just left everything default. I edited .conf and set CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=no I specifically interested in i915.ko optimization
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2936 [17:46:05] <Eularomat> what is the most elegant way to install awesome wm on a bare debian 9 netinstall? is there a way to install it already during the netinstall process? should I deselect all desktop environments and desktop environment tag itself when installing packages, or ...?
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2941 [17:47:05] <vrd1> jmcnaught: ^ ok, tried asking actual question above
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2944 [17:47:57] <greycat> Don't try to install it *during* the install. Just finish the standard install, and install it from a root shell after booting.
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2948 [17:48:19] <greycat> Deselect all but standard (and maybe ssh server).
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2953 [17:51:20] <Megaf> Hi
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2955 [17:51:46] <person_> hello
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2963 [17:55:18] <person_> I made my terminal window transparent using devilspy2, but I would like to make just the background transparent. Is there any way to do that?
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2975 [17:59:26] <mitmf> sudo ldconfig <— what it means?
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2977 [17:59:43] <kruug> Are there any tools to automatically backup data/configuration information for an upgrade? Or is it best to do it manually?
2978 [17:59:44] <greycat> man ldconfig
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2981 [18:01:02] <kruug> oooh...VM, I wonder if snapshot is available...
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2994 [18:03:07] <raktajino> kruug: there are various config management tools that will do this. ansible, chef, puppet, etc.
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3002 [18:06:19] <person_> gnome-terminal --execute "sleep 3 && echo test"
3003 [18:06:27] <person_> I get this error: Failed to execute child process "sleep 3 && echo test" (No such file or directory)
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3007 [18:06:32] <person_> what's wrong?
3008 [18:06:53] <greycat> See if there's another execute option. Try -x or -e.
3009 [18:07:26] <vrd1> greycat: if one has Firefox or other web browser with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any forum), an IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root user, all running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming?
3010 [18:07:30] <vrd1> am i in danger?
3011 [18:07:33] <greycat> I think gnome-terminal is the one that has two different exec flags with two different usages.
3012 [18:07:38] <mitmf> Could not find a package configuration file provided by "Qt5" with any of
3013 [18:07:39] <mitmf> the following names:
3014 [18:07:40] <mitmf> Qt5Config.cmake
3015 [18:07:40] <mitmf> qt5-config.cmake <—— how can i do? help me
3016 [18:07:54] <vrd1> or having one terminal with irssi being used and another terminal as root
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3018 [18:08:24] <pacha> how do I get the name of the chipset that is providing wlan0?
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3020 [18:08:35] <person_> greycat: yes it does
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3022 [18:08:46] <bkeys> replaced-url
3023 [18:08:47] <bkeys> I got a broken virtualenv install on my raspberry pi; does anyone know how to fix this?
3024 [18:08:49] <bkeys> A reinstall did not help
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3026 [18:09:57] <person_> greycat: it doesn't let me run other programs
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3028 [18:10:18] <teraflops> bkeys: are you running debian there, or raspbian?
3029 [18:10:24] <bkeys> raspian
3030 [18:10:30] <person_> greycat: I wanted to do: sleep 3 && runSomething
3031 [18:10:58] <greycat> person_: figure out which option lets you do sh -c 'sleep 3 && runSomething'
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3033 [18:11:11] <greycat> either -e sh -c '...' or -x sh -c '...'
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3038 [18:12:52] <vrd1> greycat: ^
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3040 [18:13:47] <teraflops> person_: use quotes
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3042 [18:14:30] <person_> ok I got somewhere now but it's still not working as expected
3043 [18:14:34] <person_> gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'cavac && sleep 3 && devilspie2'
3044 [18:14:38] <teraflops> as in gnome-terminal -e "echo test"
3045 [18:14:44] <person_> I want to run a program then another program after 3 seconds
3046 [18:14:56] <greycat> gnome-terminal -e sh -c 'sleep 3 && echo test'
3047 [18:15:00] <greycat> gnome-terminal -x sh -c 'sleep 3 && echo test'
3048 [18:15:08] <greycat> ONE OF THOSE, GOD ONLY KNOWS WHICH
3049 [18:15:12] <teraflops> hehe
3050 [18:15:19] <bkeys> Does anyone have a clue about my question?
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3052 [18:15:41] <person_> greycat: the second one :)
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3054 [18:15:46] <teraflops> :D
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3057 [18:16:38] <person_> bkeys: I don't but maybe try asking on raspbian's channel if such exists?
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3060 [18:17:08] <bkeys> Both # and ## raspian are empty :v
3061 [18:17:10] <bkeys> *:c
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3063 [18:17:22] <teraflops> bkeys: no pun intended but youre not running debian, and this channel is about debian
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3065 [18:17:44] <greycat> #rasbpian has 328 people according to /list
3066 [18:17:52] <greycat> #raspbian rather
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3068 [18:18:15] <greycat> Note that there is a 'b' in #raspbian
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3070 [18:18:33] <person_> rasss... why is it so hard
3071 [18:18:57] <vrd1> if one has Firefox or other web browser with opened login sessions (gmail, yahoo, twitter, any forum), an IRC client, and an opened terminal session as the root user, all running at same time, how exploitable is one becoming?
3072 [18:19:05] <bkeys> I mis spelled it it seems
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3074 [18:19:18] <teraflops> vrd1: nope
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3076 [18:19:19] <greycat> Running a web browser as root is fucking stupid.
3077 [18:19:20] <bkeys> There we go
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3079 [18:19:38] <vrd1> who said I'm running stuff as root?
3080 [18:19:49] <vrd1> Please read well the question.
3081 [18:19:59] <person_> if you aren't why do you think you would be exploitable?
3082 [18:19:59] <greycat> You literally wrote the words "as the root user"
3083 [18:20:18] <person_> I think he just has a root session opened
3084 [18:20:25] <vrd1> greycat: ^
3085 [18:20:30] <greycat> Then he needs to write less ambiguously.
3086 [18:20:33] * jelly gives greycat an understanding of comma usage
3087 [18:20:36] <vrd1> aahh
3088 [18:20:40] <teraflops> vrd1: tbh IRC'ing as root is stupid too
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3090 [18:20:50] <g0zzy> I have a Thinkpad T410 here that is quite sniffy about booting from a USB stick. It starts well and i think it's all going well, then i find i'm at the Debian 8 login dialog - which is quite a feat, having 'nearly' booted a completely different OS. What do you think could be going on there?
3091 [18:21:01] <vrd1> teraflops: same as i told to greyct
3092 [18:21:07] <teraflops> ^
3093 [18:21:18] <teraflops> I guess greycat already knows that
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3095 [18:21:20] <greycat> vrd1: and once again, write less ambiguously.
3096 [18:21:22] <person_> vrdl: there is a system called QubesOS
3097 [18:21:35] <person_> vrd1: you should check it out
3098 [18:21:37] <vrd1> what about that system?
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3102 [18:22:09] <person_> it's made out of 'cubes' which are VMs, the point of it is that you separate everything in a different VMs
3103 [18:22:10] <jelly> vrd1: in theory, any Xorg client (application) can be exploited to read and write input to any other Xorg client (window)
3104 [18:22:37] <person_> one VM for web browsing, another for work, you can also have disposable VMs
3105 [18:22:50] <teraflops> and ff doesnt even ship a sandbox by default
3106 [18:23:09] <teraflops> even internet explores does it
3107 [18:23:16] <teraflops> explorer^
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3109 [18:23:21] <jelly> g0zzy: do you have a Debian 8 installation on that system?
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3111 [18:24:00] <person_> I just block all scripts
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3115 [18:24:54] <teraflops> never ever run anything as root unless it is explicitly asking you to do so
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3117 [18:25:04] <vrd1> greycat, teraflops: I would have the following as *separate* windows, but running at same time: firefox with yahoo mail, irc (hexchat, or irssi in terminal), and a terminal running as root
3118 [18:25:09] <vrd1> Is it less ambiguous?
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3121 [18:25:32] <vrd1> root terminal is an apart terminal window
3122 [18:25:33] <teraflops> I already answered you: nope
3123 [18:25:50] <bs0d> Hello community. I need some help. I downloaded an IDE, unpacked it, moved it into /usr/local, changed the ownership to root:staff but I do not see my IDE in the Applications menu in my user account and cannot access it
3124 [18:25:53] <teraflops> gnome-terminal -e "echo test"
3125 [18:25:55] <greycat> So you run the terminal as yourself, but then in the shell, you did "su"? Or "sudo -i"?
3126 [18:25:56] <teraflops> oops
3127 [18:26:01] <teraflops> buffer incident, sorry
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3129 [18:26:09] <jelly> vrd1: presumably you have a terminal running as user and a root shell opened inside?
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3131 [18:26:31] <g0zzy> jelly: yes
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3133 [18:27:03] <vrd1> greycat, jelly: I would open a terminal window to start, say, irssi. Then open another apart terminal window and do su.
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3135 [18:27:05] <person_> vrdl: you want to know if those programs you run can spy on each other and see your data?
3136 [18:27:14] <vrd1> ^ yes
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3138 [18:27:34] <jelly> g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this bootable usb stick? Maybe it's choosing the wrong root= filesystem when it boots, the one with debian 8 instead of the one on the stick
3139 [18:27:37] <person_> hmm
3140 [18:27:44] <vrd1> Lately I have had to only use one program at a time:
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3142 [18:27:54] <greycat> If there is an egregiously serious bug in one of the programs, yes, in theory they can communicate with each other through the X protocols.
3143 [18:28:14] <vrd1> and how can i know if there's bug?
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3145 [18:28:16] <vrd1> oh, no....
3146 [18:28:16] <greycat> In practice, I've never heard of such a bug.
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3148 [18:28:32] <vrd1> During last months I have had to do the following:
3149 [18:28:38] <jelly> X has nifty extensions that basically allow any app to look like keyboard and mouse input.
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3151 [18:28:56] <vrd1> check mail? Close *everything* else and only start web browser or mail client.
3152 [18:28:56] <teraflops> vrd1: subscribe to all sec mail lists read CVE's and even then youre not secure since 0 day is a thing
3153 [18:29:15] <vrd1> chat? Close everything and only have running chat client
3154 [18:29:27] <person_> use only open source / free software
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3156 [18:29:40] <vrd1> a short maintainance task? Close everything and start a root terminal
3157 [18:29:43] <greycat> Or you could just be less paranoid about your porn site passwords.
3158 [18:29:44] <jelly> vrd1: separate users and X sessions would work.
3159 [18:30:03] <teraflops> vrd1: or run stuff insice VM's
3160 [18:30:07] <teraflops> inside^
3161 [18:30:25] <person_> vrd1: if you need that kind of security check out QubesOS or keep everything in separate VMs
3162 [18:30:27] <jelly> vrd1: then one needs a user app exploit _and_ another priv. elevation exploit
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3164 [18:30:36] <person_> then the programs won't be able to communicate with each other
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3166 [18:31:00] <jelly> person_: unless, of course, there's a VM escape, or copy/paste enabled
3167 [18:31:14] <vrd1> actually i kind of wanted to be told "no, you're actually being paranoid; as long as you don't run anything as root you're ok"
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3169 [18:31:20] <vrd1> but i guess it's not the case...
3170 [18:31:25] <greycat> You're being paranoid.
3171 [18:31:28] <g0zzy> jelly: that's queer as it seems to happen with anything booted from the port
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3173 [18:31:30] <teraflops> vrd1: you're actually being paranoid indeed
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3175 [18:31:36] <person_> well is he?
3176 [18:31:44] <teraflops> yes he is imo
3177 [18:31:44] <person_> programs can read any data they want
3178 [18:31:46] <jelly> vrd1: you're being paranoid, and you're not ok. Is that ok?
3179 [18:31:51] <teraflops> xD
3180 [18:31:52] <vrd1> I don't need to tell my current way of working is very inefficient
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3183 [18:32:12] <person_> we trust the software to not have bugs and to not be malicious
3184 [18:32:15] <jelly> saying you're not exposed would be a lie, X is crappy that way.
3185 [18:32:19] <person_> but sometimes it can be
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3187 [18:33:00] <SuperSeriouCat> vrd1, replaced-url
3188 [18:33:01] <person_> if you want to be more secure try QubesOS seriously
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3190 [18:33:06] <teraflops> vrd1: dont run stuff as root, keep your system up-to-date and do not click ransomware links, youll be moderately fine
3191 [18:33:11] <SuperSeriouCat> You can isolate each program in its own tiny VM
3192 [18:33:38] <jelly> g0zzy: okay, and how did you create this and all the other bootable usb sticks you tried?
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3194 [18:33:39] <vrd1> teraflops: talking about VMs? We'd get to previous point: regarding windows virtual guest in virt manager, which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools?
3195 [18:33:42] <teraflops> also for weird/odd/suspicious stuff use a VM
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3198 [18:33:57] <vrd1> no one has been able to know
3199 [18:34:06] <g0zzy> cat x.iso >/dev/sdc
3200 [18:34:06] <person_> vrd1: install QubesOS
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3202 [18:34:14] <teraflops> vrd1: of KVM? you want virIO indeed
3203 [18:34:17] <teraflops> for^
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3205 [18:34:35] <jelly> g0zzy: good. Did you try a debian-based live, like grml.org?
3206 [18:34:49] <teraflops> sorry my keyb is rubbish
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3208 [18:35:02] <g0zzy> Most recently failed with Tails
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3212 [18:35:34] <vrd1> so actually no one likes virtio, neither windows here?
3213 [18:35:38] <vrd1> good to know
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3216 [18:35:42] <teraflops> huh
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3218 [18:36:06] <teraflops> for qemu/kvm virtIO is what you want, for windows too
3219 [18:36:21] <teraflops> windows guests obv
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3221 [18:36:28] <vrd1> ah, so that's what you meant
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3223 [18:36:37] <vrd1> then back to question
3224 [18:36:38] <teraflops> yep :S
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3227 [18:36:50] <vrd1> which paravirtualized drivers to use? fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools?
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3229 [18:36:56] <jelly> vrd1: did you try any of those guest addition options, and see how they worked?
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3231 [18:37:07] <vrd1> both iso and sice installer have the same paravirtualized drivers: qxl, kvmnetwork, scsi, balloon....
3232 [18:37:14] <vrd1> *spice
3233 [18:37:42] <teraflops> spice gusts tools? those are not related to virtIO drivers
3234 [18:37:47] <jelly> if noone has anything to say, you can always
3235 [18:37:49] <jelly> !TIAS
3236 [18:37:49] <dpkg> TIAS is "Try It And See".
3237 [18:38:03] <vrd1> teraflops: that's what I thought
3238 [18:38:15] <vrd1> replaced-url
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3240 [18:38:25] <teraflops> virtIO drivers are for block devices, nics, serial and so on
3241 [18:38:43] <vrd1> i know
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3243 [18:38:45] <vrd1> replaced-url
3244 [18:38:51] <teraflops> we already know what they are
3245 [18:39:09] <vrd1> from spice link: "installer contains some optional drivers"
3246 [18:39:21] <vrd1> and it turns those drivers are the same virtio iso provides
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3249 [18:39:47] <teraflops> spice is a protocol for connecting to the guest and also graphics specific
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3251 [18:39:59] <rysiek|pl> hmm
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3254 [18:40:06] <vrd1> i'm talking about the spice-guest-tools installer
3255 [18:40:12] <rysiek|pl> anyone uses nginx + lua on stretch around here?
3256 [18:40:34] <rysiek|pl> I am having a weird issue and it seems like it's debian-related
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3258 [18:41:19] <rysiek|pl> namely, even with nginx-extras installed (it contains nginx lua module)
3259 [18:41:26] <rysiek|pl> lua directives do not seem to be recognized
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3261 [18:41:49] <rysiek|pl> getting: nginx: [emerg] unknown directive "lua_package_path" in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:87
3262 [18:42:21] <person_> can I launch a program in terminal without having it using my terminal window?
3263 [18:42:23] <person_> I want it to run in the background
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3265 [18:43:03] <GJdan> hmmm, sendmail vs exim4 vs postfix
3266 [18:43:22] <teraflops> !poll
3267 [18:43:23] <dpkg> "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a good question that IRC helpers can answer. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls>.
3268 [18:43:35] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: you need nginx-extras on debian, or nginx-full, to use lua
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3270 [18:43:45] <jelly> person_: if it works on its own, noninteractively, you can redirect stdout and stderr to /dev/null and run as a background task. It will still die if you close that terminal
3271 [18:43:46] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: and that's exactly what I have
3272 [18:43:48] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: the standard nginx package of debian doesn't have it, as it's a 3rd-party module
3273 [18:43:51] <FinalX> hm
3274 [18:43:58] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: replaced-url
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3276 [18:44:23] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: "--add-dynamic-module=/build/nginx-2tpxfc/nginx-1.10.3/debian/modules/nginx-lua"
3277 [18:44:26] <teraflops> rysiek|pl: what's in line 87?
3278 [18:44:35] <jelly> person_: your command >/dev/null 2>&1 &
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3280 [18:44:41] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: it says --add-dynamic-module, so there might be a .so you have to load
3281 [18:44:46] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: lua_package_path "/usr/share/lua/5.1/luarocks/?.lua;;";
3282 [18:44:46] <teraflops> is the line ok, maybe youre not using it properly?
3283 [18:44:55] <FinalX> no no, that's not it
3284 [18:45:01] <FinalX> nginx just hasn't loaded the lua module
3285 [18:45:08] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: 1. the same line works in nginx 1.6.x on Debian Jessie
3286 [18:45:16] <person_> jelly: awesome, thanks!
3287 [18:45:19] <rysiek|pl> teraflops: 2. same thing happens with other lua directives
3288 [18:45:21] <jelly> GJdan: what for? internet host? local delivery? only remote delivery?
3289 [18:45:27] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: yeah, that's my feel
3290 [18:45:27] <person_> jelly: what does that second part do?
3291 [18:45:39] <vrd1> or well...........
3292 [18:45:41] <vrd1> in which cases to use macvtap and in which others common bridging setup?
3293 [18:45:43] <vrd1> topic apart
3294 [18:45:47] <teraflops> no lua module then unknown option indeed
3295 [18:45:49] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: in older debian versions, lua was compiled into the nginx core, but here:
3296 [18:45:51] <FinalX> Get:43 replaced-url
3297 [18:46:04] <jelly> person_: does what I described in the previous sentence
3298 [18:46:09] <FinalX> dpkg -L libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows: /usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so
3299 [18:46:10] <dpkg> ii libnginx-mod-http-lua # shows: /usr/lib/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so 3.4-3.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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3302 [18:46:18] <FinalX> dpkg: yes sweety, thank you...
3303 [18:46:18] <dpkg> parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FinalX
3304 [18:46:33] <rysiek|pl> damn
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3307 [18:46:46] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: replaced-url
3308 [18:46:51] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: /usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf comes from that file, too, and it needs to be symlinked to from /etc/nginx/modules-enabled
3309 [18:47:00] <rysiek|pl> yes
3310 [18:47:01] <rysiek|pl> damn
3311 [18:47:01] <FinalX> from that package*
3312 [18:47:05] <rysiek|pl> thanks :)
3313 [18:47:09] <FinalX> np :)
3314 [18:47:15] * rysiek|pl should have RTFM'd
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3316 [18:47:23] <rysiek|pl> but but but it always worked
3317 [18:47:27] <jelly> person_: redirection, the bits with > in them, replaced-url
3318 [18:47:43] <FinalX> yeah, in stretch it's compiled as a dynamic module (dynamic modules are relatively new to that nginx version)
3319 [18:47:48] <rysiek|pl> ack
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3321 [18:48:13] <FinalX> ..... and for a second I thought we were on #nginx for some reason... :)
3322 [18:48:20] <jelly> person_: background task, replaced-url
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3324 [18:49:44] <person_> jelly: thanks :)
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3326 [18:50:05] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: wooo! nginx: [emerg] dlopen() "/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so" failed (/usr/share/nginx/modules/ngx_http_lua_module.so: undefined symbol: ndk_set_var_value) in /etc/nginx/nginx.conf:1
3327 [18:50:24] <FinalX> ..that doesn't sound right :)
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3329 [18:50:34] <rysiek|pl> aye
3330 [18:50:50] <rysiek|pl> the file exists
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3332 [18:51:06] <FinalX> yeah but seems it's requesting something from the module that it doesn't have, or vice versa
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3334 [18:51:15] <FinalX> usually happens when they're not the same version
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3337 [18:51:24] <FinalX> did you perhaps install the nginx.org version over your debian one by accident?
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3339 [18:51:35] <FinalX> apt-cache policy nginx
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3342 [18:51:58] <rysiek|pl> no, all is from debian repo, 1.10.3
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3344 [18:52:14] <FinalX> weird, mine seems to load just fine o.O
3345 [18:52:23] <jelly> ,v nginx
3346 [18:52:24] <judd> Package: nginx on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4; wheezy-security: 1.2.1-2.2+wheezy4+deb7u1; wheezy-backports: 1.6.2-5+deb8u2~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.2-5+deb8u4; jessie-proposed-updates: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; jessie-security: 1.6.2-5+deb8u5; sid: 1.10.1-1; jessie-backports: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1~bpo8+2; stretch: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-security: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1; stretch-backports:
3347 [18:52:25] <rysiek|pl> Installed: 1.10.3-1+deb9u1
3348 [18:52:26] <judd> 1.13.3-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.13.3-1; sid: 1.13.3-1
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3350 [18:52:50] <rysiek|pl> aye
3351 [18:53:03] <rysiek|pl> same version for libnginx-mod-http-lua
3352 [18:53:11] <brainmaze> hello, I am installing Debian 9 right now and when I started the setup, the touchpad didnt work and also the NIC card. I was wondering if its easy to install those drivers after the installation from a usb key for example?
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3355 [18:53:42] <rysiek|pl> FinalX: and there is only one file named 'ngx_http_lua_module.so' on this system
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3359 [18:54:24] <FinalX> rysiek|pl: this is what things are like at a clean install with the latest stretch versions, md5sums included: replaced-url
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3361 [18:54:33] <rysiek|pl> thx
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3364 [18:55:38] <jelly> FinalX: does nginx packaging not have something like a2enmod, a2dismod to enable modules and possible dependencies
3365 [18:55:59] <FinalX> no, those are inventions of the debian apache maintainers :)
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3367 [18:56:09] <rysiek|pl> hmm
3368 [18:56:12] <jelly> which is why asked about _packaging_
3369 [18:56:14] <rysiek|pl> but perhaps dependancies are the answer
3370 [18:56:22] <jelly> ie. those things that maintainers added
3371 [18:56:27] <rysiek|pl> lemme just load_module the shit out of all of them
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3374 [18:57:07] <FinalX> jelly: no, they did not
3375 [18:57:13] <jelly> pfft. Having to symlink manually, like a peasant
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3378 [18:57:39] <rysiek|pl> lol
3379 [18:57:43] <rysiek|pl> it was load_module modules/ndk_http_module.so;
3380 [18:57:56] <FinalX> ah :)
3381 [18:58:05] <rysiek|pl> a comment in the /usr/share/nginx/modules-available/mod-http-lua.conf file would have been so helpful
3382 [18:58:21] <rysiek|pl> anyway
3383 [18:58:22] <rysiek|pl> works
3384 [18:58:31] <FinalX> \o/
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3386 [18:58:35] <rysiek|pl> thanks for the help guys
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3388 [18:58:57] <FinalX> np
3389 [18:59:02] <rysiek|pl> I will be wearing my Debian hoodie extra-proudly today
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3425 [19:09:53] <donatas> Debian hoodie ?
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3430 [19:11:07] <donatas> blue pillers wouldn't understand what debian is
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3432 [19:11:39] <donatas> but they might convert to red pill
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3447 [19:14:17] <kruug> How does one re-run upgrade configuration for phpmyadmin?
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3453 [19:15:12] <Vizva> i think i got it now the upgrade
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3457 [19:15:22] <ksk> kruug: dpkg-reconfigure phpmyadmin
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3478 [19:22:55] <kruug> access denied for 'root'@'localhost'...but I can log into phpmyadmin with the user/pass...
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3481 [19:24:20] <jmcnaught> kruug: Debian 9 changes the way root account is handled in mariadb, there's a note about it in on of the mariadb package's NEWS files (probably some place like /usr/share/doc/mariadb-common/NEWS.gz… I don't use it myself)
3482 [19:24:44] <greycat> Also replaced-url
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3492 [19:27:12] <teraflops> I really wish you do not have phpmyadmin running outside your lan heading to the intertubes
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3495 [19:29:13] <kruug> greycat: thanks, I was not aware that mysql was being replaced by mariadb
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3498 [19:29:54] <phinxy> Im using a community Debian with its own repo. There is an issue at the moment which prevent apt-get update from working properly. However, I cant seem to find packages like unzip or sxiv..
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3501 [19:31:12] <phinxy> apt-cache search unzip
3502 [19:31:23] <phinxy> should show unzip or does it only search for program addons for unzip?
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3504 [19:32:19] <jmcnaught> phinxy: that command searches for packages with the word unzip in their metadata. However only Debian is supported here, for support for your distro you'll need to find its channel
3505 [19:32:22] <jmcnaught> !based on debian
3506 [19:32:23] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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3509 [19:33:10] <phinxy> jmcnaught, would you classify this as Debian? Community Build Debian Stretch Minimal Linux Kernel ver 4.4
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3515 [19:34:26] <jmcnaught> phinxy: If you installed with something other than an ISO image from cdimage.debian.org, and your distro uses its own repositories, then it is not Debian. The real stretch is using kernel 4.9 for example.
3516 [19:35:00] <iodev> phinxy: give me a PM, I'll try to help you
3517 [19:35:24] <jmcnaught> you can also ask in ##linux if your distro doesn't have a channel
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3529 [19:40:30] <kruug> alright, figured out the permissions issue...new issue...
3530 [19:40:32] <kruug> Couldn't execute 'SHOW FUNCTION STATUS WHERE Db = 'phpmyadmin'': Cannot load from mysql.proc.
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3560 [19:50:28] <jelly> phinxy: what does "lsb_release -sc" say on that system? What does "apt-cache policy" say?
3561 [19:50:48] <jelly> !paste
3562 [19:50:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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3615 [20:21:21] <bachler> hello everybody!
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3619 [20:22:51] <bachler> i think i have this problem replaced-url
3620 [20:22:53] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3623 [20:23:16] <bachler> can anyone point me in the right direction for a fix?
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3625 [20:23:56] <greycat> If it's not in the bug report, I would suggest a systemd channel.
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3637 [20:29:09] <jelly> bachler: if there's a workaround for an open bug, it often gets mentioned in the bug report thread
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3641 [20:30:18] <netzach> Hello
3642 [20:30:25] <netzach> how do I add the nopat flag to the kernel?
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3646 [20:32:08] <bachler> jelly: ok, so there probably is no fix yet?
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3650 [20:32:56] <jelly> bachler: debian, even without systemd-nspawn, is silly in this regard:
3651 [20:32:57] <jelly> crw-rw-rw- 1 root tty 5, 2 Aug 24 20:32 /dev/ptmx
3652 [20:32:58] <jelly> c--------- 1 root root 5, 2 Aug 22 20:41 /dev/pts/ptmx
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3656 [20:35:09] <jelly> netzach: an easy way is to append to /etc/default/grub GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= definition, run update-grub, and it ought to be present on following reboots
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3659 [20:35:39] <bachler> netzach: netzach: edit /etc/default/grub and add it to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX= and you have to run update-grub to regenerate the configs in /boot/grub
3660 [20:35:41] <jelly> netzach: I'm assuming by "flag" you mean a kernel boot parameter.
3661 [20:35:53] <bachler> oh, hehe well
3662 [20:36:11] <bachler> jelly: you type faster than me
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3664 [20:36:59] <bachler> jelly: regarding the ptmx stuff, what does that mean?
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3670 [20:37:59] <bachler> I have been considering moving to testing a while, would that perhaps solve this with systemd 234-2 ?
3671 [20:38:17] <jelly> bachler: it means a user has access to the device anyway, so mod 000 is silly
3672 [20:38:29] <bachler> ah
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3675 [20:38:52] <jelly> (or more precisely, mod 000 only in one place but not the other is silly)
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3677 [20:39:12] <jelly> bachler: does the bug report say it's fixed in 234-2?
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3680 [20:39:56] <jelly> (it does not)
3681 [20:40:29] <bachler> there is no mention of ptmx in the changelog...
3682 [20:40:36] <jelly> bachler: what fails to work because of this bug?
3683 [20:40:50] <tdn> What is the easiest way of having an encrypted swap file (not partition) on Debian? Can I set up a file a LUKS/dm-crypt device in /etc/crypttab and then use that in fstab?
3684 [20:40:51] <bachler> screen and tmux inside of a systemd-nspawn container
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3688 [20:41:21] <jelly> bachler: and does the container have a normal /dev/ptmx present?
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3691 [20:42:21] <jelly> bachler: I'd expect screen and tmux to _work_ when there was a rw ptmx device
3692 [20:42:43] <jelly> they would only be unable to work if it was, in fact, mod 000
3693 [20:43:08] <bachler> jelly: in the container lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Aug 24 17:50 /dev/ptmx -> pts/ptmx
3694 [20:43:20] <bachler> jelly: and c--------- 1 root root 5, 2 Aug 24 20:42 /dev/pts/ptmx
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3696 [20:43:56] <jelly> bachler: so you do not have this bug present, you have the opposite.
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3698 [20:44:38] <jelly> the reporter here complains BECAUSE their /dev/pts/ptmx is accessible inside the container. Yours isn't.
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3702 [20:45:27] <teo_> which is the root terminal on debian ?
3703 [20:45:30] <legrand> upgrade from Jessie to stretch, kde-desktop. Mouse-wheel in Dolphin is working great on the right hand side (files), but painfully slow on the left-hand-side (folders). Seems to be a bug - is there a way to work around it?
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3706 [20:46:23] <jelly> teo_: there's no such thing as a root terminal, you can open a terminal emulator, any one you like, then start a root shell in it.
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3708 [20:46:53] <bachler> jelly: oh, ok, thanks for pointing that out. I did not notice that. any suggestions on where to go from this?
3709 [20:47:17] <jelly> teo_: use "su -" (requires root password) or "sudo -i" (requires user password and sudo privileges for that user) to open a root shell
3710 [20:47:48] <greycat> Or, log directly in as root on the console (Ctrl-Alt-F2 etc.)
3711 [20:48:09] <teo_> ctrl alt f2 is a root terminal ?
3712 [20:48:28] <jelly> bachler: now, just like the reporter, you need to figure out where systemd-nspawn gets mount options for devpts and change them to include ptmxmode=666
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3716 [20:49:21] <jelly> teo_: it's a "console" that presents a textual login prompt; either root or a normal user can log in there
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3721 [20:50:09] <jelly> bachler: but you want the opposite result :>
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3723 [20:50:26] <teo_> Then, back to the terminal and log as root. Make an update: # aptitude update
3724 [20:50:34] <teo_> what is mean this ?
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3727 [20:51:10] <bachler> jelly: ok, thanks a lot I will have a read in the manpages for systemd-nspawn. should get me started maybe.
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3729 [20:51:13] <jelly> teo_: # denotes that the command quoted is to be run as root. You literally type in the command and press enter: aptitude update
3730 [20:51:19] <teo_> ctr alt f2 and then on test mode sudo aptitude update
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3732 [20:51:54] <jelly> no need to prepend "sudo" if you're already in root's shell.
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3737 [20:52:52] <teo_> sudo -i aptitude update ?
3738 [20:52:53] <teo_> ??
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3743 [20:54:48] <jelly> teo_: no. first open a root shell or log in as root. You do NOT need to type sudo in that shell. Just: aptitude update
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3758 [20:59:52] <teo_> ctr - alt - f2 and user - password and then aptitude update not working
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3760 [21:00:26] <greycat> user is not root
3761 [21:00:45] <teo_> could not open lock file ... it tell
3762 [21:00:51] <greycat> Because you did not login as root.
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3765 [21:01:23] <Vizva> how can i lock a console thats on another vt and let the backgroud processes still run?
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3768 [21:03:00] <obiwahn> hi, i am trying to upgrade roundcube and run into problems
3769 [21:03:06] <teo_> HOW can i login as root ?
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3771 [21:03:15] <obiwahn> do you know where the password for roundcube is stored?
3772 [21:03:19] <greycat> teo_: when it asks for the username, you type "root"
3773 [21:03:26] <teo_> ok
3774 [21:03:31] <bezaban> Vizva: you can use vlock on a tty - no use via ssh or in xterm really
3775 [21:03:32] <teraflops> obiwahn: upgrading roundcube from?
3776 [21:03:36] <greycat> And then root's password, when it asks for the password.
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3781 [21:04:30] <teraflops> obiwahn: debian repos?
3782 [21:04:37] <Vizva> but there are background processes
3783 [21:04:41] <Vizva> in this console
3784 [21:04:48] <bezaban> Vizva: vlock just runs in the foreground
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3786 [21:04:54] <obiwahn> yes
3787 [21:05:00] <obiwahn> from jessie to stretch
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3789 [21:05:20] <Vizva> i dont see a difference
3790 [21:05:22] <obiwahn> i had some troube with the mariadb upgrade but that is fine now
3791 [21:05:44] <obiwahn> ah i would like to enable auth_sockets for root
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3794 [21:06:04] <bezaban> Vizva: if on a vt it will lock, if via ssh, you can open another tunnel and avoid it. If in an xterm you will have access to the pts anyway
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3801 [21:08:22] <teo_> which is the password on root terminal ctr - alt - f2 to write as a root ?
3802 [21:08:56] <greycat> Whatever you set it to when you installed Debian.
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3804 [21:09:04] <greycat> If you forgot it, then you can do this:
3805 [21:09:09] <greycat> !i forgot root's password
3806 [21:09:10] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
3807 [21:09:42] <greycat> (Does anyone actually still use LILO?)
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3811 [21:10:08] <teo_> i dident put password on root only for me...
3812 [21:10:12] <teo_> then .... ?
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3815 [21:10:35] <greycat> If you left the root password blank when you installed, then there *isn't* one, and you should have been set up to use sudo by default.
3816 [21:10:51] <greycat> If sudo isn't working, then follow the bot's instructions to reset the root PW.
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3818 [21:12:28] <teo_> and you should have been set up to use sudo by default. its mean as with my name and my password is default ?
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3820 [21:13:06] <teo_> the sudo is work on ctr - alt- f2 terminal
3821 [21:13:17] <teo_> the sudo is works on ctr - alt- f2 terminal
3822 [21:13:34] <greycat> OK, then you can continue using sudo.
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3824 [21:13:53] <teo_> with my user name and my password, no as debian
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3828 [21:16:29] <teo_> "sudo aptitude update" {run as root} its mean : ctr - alt - f2 and then debian login : i write my user name and then password and then iam ok i run as a root super user ?
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3853 [21:28:23] <bs0d> I got some weird problem in Debian - something crashes, and after this moment OS thinks that the mouse button is pressed. If I am in a text editor, the text is highlighted whenever I move the mouse, mouse movements move windows (no mouse buttons are pressed)
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3855 [21:28:38] <bs0d> Could anyone please help me debug this issue?
3856 [21:30:15] <jelly> bs0d: probably the simplest way to get out of that pickle is to press and release the affected button
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3858 [21:30:58] <jelly> I've seen vnc / remote desktop apps get X confused about these things
3859 [21:31:59] <bs0d> jelly is there any technical problem related to it? Can it be fixed?
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3861 [21:32:16] <jelly> "mouse movements move windows" can also happen when X thinks Alt key is being pressed
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3866 [21:33:48] <jelly> 1) yes, and probably not just one; 2)not sure, but from the little I read about X input design, not really (or not easily)
3867 [21:33:51] <netzach> thank you jelly and bachler? sorry I managed to do it via grub e
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3869 [21:34:19] <jelly> netzach: that's the best way to do it if you only need it once
3870 [21:34:21] <netzach> is nopat important for performance? I found on hp forums that to run their tools on latest debian you need nopat as a flag for the kernel, but htey say it's a bad workaround
3871 [21:34:34] <netzach> and I tried it and it works, no longer segfautls
3872 [21:34:58] <netzach> I found that pat is a intel? cpu feature related to cache configuration
3873 [21:35:07] <netzach> but I have no idea how much it degrades perfoirmacne if I disable it
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3876 [21:35:58] <jelly> what kinds of hp-specific tools are those
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3878 [21:36:04] <bamb> hey guys
3879 [21:36:35] <bamb> would i still use "make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_image && make-kpkg -j9 --initrd kernel_headers" to build a kernel for stretch 9.1?
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3881 [21:37:24] <greycat> !kernel handbook
3882 [21:37:25] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
3883 [21:37:25] <netzach> jelly: hp-health, it allows me to see temperatures, I can't get them all via lm_sensors, it uses some proprietary processor or something
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3885 [21:37:44] <netzach> but I want to know how much the nopat flag degrades performance, any idea?
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3887 [21:38:16] <jelly> netzach: which proliant model/generation and which version of hp-health (and which debian release) do you see this with
3888 [21:38:48] <bamb> greycat: what about a kernel from -stable, not from deb repos?
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3890 [21:39:19] <greycat> Whatever the kernel handbook says to do.
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3895 [21:41:07] <netzach> jelly: I am using HP Proliant DL380 G7, I am using latest version of debian (9/stretch), I am using I think the latest versions of hp tools that I could find, from the hp repo, the ubuntu one since I've read that ubuntu 16 is based on debian squeeze,
3896 [21:42:00] <netzach> When I first tried it it would not work, and I'd get a file not existing message, and check if hp health monitor is running, systemd said it was running, online people suggested using an older version, after juggling some versions without a luck, I found in the logs a segfault I've missed earlier, searching for that got me this :
3897 [21:42:05] <netzach> replaced-url
3898 [21:42:16] <netzach> in there people say if you add nopat to your kernel flags it will work, and I did it and it worked indeed
3899 [21:42:29] <bamb> greycat: also, can i build a kernel for 9.1 on 7.1?
3900 [21:42:32] <bamb> greycat: also, can i build a kernel for 9.1 on 7.11?
3901 [21:42:36] <netzach> but they also say that nopat decreases performacne quite a lot, and I am trying to google it but I am not sure how much nopat decreases performacne
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3903 [21:45:26] <netzach> I have found this replaced-url
3904 [21:45:52] <jelly> netzach: heh. I wanted to show which version of hp-health worked on our DL360 G9 with stretch, but it had segfaulted weeks before :-)
3905 [21:46:16] <netzach> so yours doesn't work either then?
3906 [21:46:53] <jelly> nope. You should still be able to see most sensors in iLO
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3908 [21:47:17] <netzach> I hav eno idea how to setup iL0, I am really a noob
3909 [21:47:31] <netzach> also this is an used server I've bought I don't even know if I have the license to do it
3910 [21:47:39] <netzach> but adding the nopat flag allows me to use hp-health
3911 [21:47:47] <jelly> read about it, remote management is one of the best features with brand-name servers
3912 [21:48:02] <aura> Are there any software for taking notes in pdf files?
3913 [21:48:39] <jelly> netzach: you may not have the advanced license, but basic functionality doesn't need a license
3914 [21:48:56] <teraflops> aura: use latex \o/
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3916 [21:49:31] <teraflops> oh you meant editing them I think
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3919 [21:50:11] <kurolox> Hello, how can I install clisp in debian?
3920 [21:50:19] <jelly> netzach: using hp-health 10.40-1815.49 from "deb replaced-url
3921 [21:50:25] <aura> latex?
3922 [21:50:46] <aura> not edit them, just adding notes
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3924 [21:51:03] <teraflops> yeah ignore my words
3925 [21:51:09] <netzach> jelly: well in that link related to nopat they say they send messages to hp and they are working on it, but I am not sure if they will fix it for my older server version, not sure if hp-health is backwarsd compatible
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3927 [21:51:36] <netzach> I will take a look into iLO jelly , do you need to connect directly to a computer, or it can be connected to a router and have an ip?
3928 [21:51:52] <netzach> from reading a bit I was under the impression you have to connect directly to it on that specific ethernet port
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3931 [21:53:54] <jelly> netzach: you want to use the separate port if your machine has one.
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3933 [21:55:08] <jelly> netzach: and you configure a separate network for it, it's basically a separate computer (that has a lot of control over your server)
3934 [21:55:13] <netzach> jelly: but I can connect it to a router? or it must be directly to a pc
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3937 [21:55:37] <jelly> netzach: a router, it gets an ip and default gateway and everything
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3939 [21:56:34] <jelly> netzach: best avoid putting it on public internet, tho
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3942 [21:56:56] <jelly> but it can be done
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3944 [21:57:17] <netzach> oh right, sure jelly , thank you when I get some free time I'll try
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3946 [21:57:42] <jelly> G7 has iLO3, there should be even mobile phone apps to access it
3947 [21:57:54] <netzach> ok another question, I just installed zfs and it had some errors, notably a make error saying kmod spl devel should be installed and chek /var/lib/dmks/zfs.... some make log for more information
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3950 [21:58:21] <netzach> BUT the install finished and I was able to modprobe the mod, and when I checked the folder from the log it no longer exists, not even sure if it existed, there is only a source folder not a build one
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3953 [21:58:44] <netzach> my question is do such error means that I did the install wrong? evne if I can launch the module I am still afraid cause I saw errors
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3958 [22:00:31] <berzerk0> The other day I did a fresh install of Kali 2017.1 for Vbox. I used the OffSec Vbox iso, like I have in the past. However, this time, no matter what I do, I can't seem to get my usb wifi cards to work in either monitor or station mode. I've run apt-get update/upgrade and apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi while connected to the host machine's card. The cards appear on lsusb, iwconfig and ifconfig, but I either don't pick up any SSIDs or if I
3959 [22:00:32] <berzerk0> do, can't connect to them. airmon-ng start wlan0 runs, but then airodump-ng wlan0mon gives "Resource busy" - any ideas?
3960 [22:00:32] <jelly> netzach: next time, consider saving the complete output so you have something to show
3961 [22:00:46] <jelly> !kali
3962 [22:00:46] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
3963 [22:00:48] <jelly> berzerk0: ^^
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3965 [22:01:18] <berzerk0> Fair enough, thanks.
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3967 [22:01:39] <netzach> jelly: I still have it on my screen, but I'd have to either take a picture or write it by hand, as I'm not sshed, I'm just switching plugging the monitor and keyboard and ethernet between this pc and the server that is right by me
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3969 [22:02:07] <jelly> images are acceptable, some of us have working browsers
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3971 [22:02:42] <jelly> upload to imgur.com or picpaste.com or wherever
3972 [22:03:12] <jelly> netzach: Shift-PageUp if some of it scrolled off already
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3975 [22:03:43] <jelly> netzach: if you had iLO working you'd be able to open the text console via ssh! :->
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3977 [22:04:51] <jelly> unless debian switched to framebuffer. Then you'd need advanced license to open the graphical console.
3978 [22:05:17] <netzach> jelly: I see, well I didn't even set this up on my local network yet, I don't have a long enough cable and I need to even find a plcae to put it my small studio appartment
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3981 [22:05:30] <netzach> I actually found the log in var log, it is same/similar? to the one on screen
3982 [22:05:42] <jelly> no idea honestly
3983 [22:05:48] <netzach> also I have a kernel error when it tries to load Radeon R100 firmware file :( and it switches to simpler vga driver
3984 [22:06:04] <jelly> that's fine, you may ignore that
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3986 [22:06:29] <person_> does anyone know how to make gnome-terminal's background transparent on debian?
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3990 [22:07:59] <netzach> replaced-url
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3993 [22:09:39] <netzach> idk if you cvan see at the bottom but when I ls the folder it tells me to look into there is no or not longer a build folder, but there is still a source
3994 [22:09:53] <n4dir> person_: most terminal-emulators do that by clicking on the menu <preferences>
3995 [22:10:15] <jelly> netzach: I'd try to "dpkg-reconfigure zfs-0.6.5.9", looks like linux headers weren't completely installed when the process tried to build stuff
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3997 [22:10:28] <person_> n4dir: gnome-terminal in debian 9 doesn't have transparency settings or at least I don't know how to find them
3998 [22:10:39] <n4dir> try roxterm or such instead
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4000 [22:10:53] <person_> it has transparency?
4001 [22:11:05] <n4dir> xfce4-terminal would be another option. ; Yes, last time i used them they had it
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4003 [22:11:27] <n4dir> i use tilda, which has it for sure. but it is a ego-shooter-like drop-down terminal
4004 [22:11:40] <person_> nice I have a similar one too
4005 [22:11:46] <person_> and I use it
4006 [22:11:48] <jelly> netzach: um, that may not the be correct package name. Do dpkg-reconfigure on the package that brings source for zfs related modules. Maybe it has zfs in the name, and it probably has dkms in the name too
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4008 [22:12:09] <person_> but I also need a non drop down terminal that is transparent
4009 [22:12:15] <jelly> netzach: I'll be away for a while, good luck
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4012 [22:12:29] <n4dir> person_: tilda has transparency.
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4015 [22:13:58] <person_> n4dir: I'm have some other drop down terminal that is a gnome extension and it has transparency but I need a normal window terminal too if you get what I mean
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4017 [22:14:43] <n4dir> person_: i would assume that the gnome-terminal does it too. Would surprise me. As a quick workaround you can try roxterm or xfce4-terminal.
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4019 [22:15:06] <n4dir> rumors said xfce4-terminal would have drop-down too, but i sure was never able to figure it out.
4020 [22:15:08] <person_> n4dir: they removed transparency from gnome-terminal
4021 [22:15:10] <netzach> thank you jelly
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4023 [22:15:32] <person_> n4dir: can I use a drop down terminal normally in a window?
4024 [22:15:49] <n4dir> person_: never tried it. don't know
4025 [22:15:57] <netzach> what is a drop down terminal?
4026 [22:16:32] <person_> you press a hotkey and it drops down from the top like in Quake
4027 [22:16:36] <n4dir> netzach: i am on desktop 1 and open tilda. Do some stuff. I go to desktop 2. I hit the according key (F1 per default), tilda drops down.
4028 [22:17:26] <aaron83> hey guys, my laptops restart when cpu go to 100% using chrome or firefox, debian8+mate
4029 [22:17:27] <r2r0> Can#t live without a "drop-down-terminal" since i discovered they exist ;-)
4030 [22:17:28] <n4dir> now that i think of it: what might be the advantage instead of using the keyboard-shortcut and go back to desktop 1. well ...
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4033 [22:17:40] <person_> my hotkey is the tilde and the problem I have is I can't type back ticks :/
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4035 [22:18:10] <person_> netzach: here is an example: replaced-url
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4037 [22:18:18] <r2r0> person_: I use F12.
4038 [22:18:50] <person_> r2r0: I will have to do something similar it seems
4039 [22:18:59] <n4dir> F1 is perfect, cause all other apps confuse it with the urge do open the "help-page".
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4041 [22:19:25] <person_> when I press f1 it tries to open something in my browser
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4043 [22:19:28] <aaron83> tilda does not work very well with mc or byobu
4044 [22:19:35] <n4dir> yup. very funny. person_
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4046 [22:20:02] <r2r0> person_: The only drawback is that it conficts with the firefox codeview-shortcut.
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4048 [22:20:32] <person_> oh yeah true
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4050 [22:20:50] <person_> what about ctrl+f1?
4051 [22:20:59] <person_> or ctrl+tilde
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4053 [22:21:21] <person_> less convenient but at least shouldn't confuse anything
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4055 [22:22:13] <person_> is there much difference between xfce terminal and roxterm? not sure which one to try
4056 [22:22:24] <greycat> Try them all.
4057 [22:22:39] <person_> hehe
4058 [22:22:48] <r2r0> person_: F12 is ok for me. Firefox-developer-view has a high "nice-count" for me ;-)
4059 [22:22:54] <n4dir> person_: i can't see a huge difference. But then: as long it's not xterm or other obscure ones, i never see a difference.
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4061 [22:23:23] <person_> r2r0: :D
4062 [22:23:37] <nomic> debt levels are huge
4063 [22:23:42] <nomic> ok wrong channel soryr
4064 [22:23:56] <person_> n4dir: yeah I guess there isn't that much difference because how different a terminal can be
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4067 [22:24:22] * greycat puts a Wyse 30 on person_'s desk
4068 [22:24:34] <n4dir> terminator or such was very hip for a while, cause it had something like "split screen" or such. didn't make a difference to me either.
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4070 [22:25:14] <r2r0> person_: For the record: They really banned "transparency" form the gnome-terminal-settings! Outch!
4071 [22:25:37] <person_> greycat: :O woow
4072 [22:25:54] <person_> r2r0: yes :( very sad
4073 [22:26:29] <greycat> replaced-url
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4075 [22:27:10] <person_> nice!
4076 [22:27:28] <somiaj> just use a compositor if you want to make your termainls (or any other window) transparent.
4077 [22:28:07] <person_> I'm using a program called devilspie2 but it makes the whole terminal window transparent, not just background
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4079 [22:28:44] <greycat> The Wyse 30 is especially irksome because its arrow keys do not use ESCAPE sequences at all. THe down arrow is just Ctrl-J.
4080 [22:29:02] <person_> LOL
4081 [22:29:03] <r2r0> greycat: "Clack, clack, clack" ;-)
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4083 [22:29:32] <person_> I had no idea there was a wiki dedicated to terminals
4084 [22:29:40] <greycat> Me either. Google turned it up.
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4087 [22:30:09] <person_> there should be a top 10 somewhere
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4089 [22:30:32] <Vizva> W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/var/cache/apt/archives/partial/chromium_60.0.3112.78-1~deb9u1_amd64.deb' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: no permission)
4090 [22:30:51] <Vizva> it updated it
4091 [22:31:06] <Vizva> but whats the problem about ?
4092 [22:31:20] <greycat> Vizva: you tried to use synaptic, I am guessing.
4093 [22:31:24] <Vizva> yes
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4095 [22:32:04] <aaron83> apt-get clean apt-get autoclean as root
4096 [22:32:12] <Vizva> but it should do the same commands
4097 [22:32:17] <person_> xfce terminal has a transparency setting yay!
4098 [22:33:14] <aaron83> tilda with gnome under debian 9 active the transparency too...
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4102 [22:33:50] <person_> but I need a terminal that can be a window
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4104 [22:34:01] <Vizva> aaron83 this was for me?
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4107 [22:34:14] <greycat> I know there are known bugs with synaptic and _apt but I can't find a URL for how to fix them :(
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4109 [22:34:36] <Vizva> greycat before i didnever had problems
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4111 [22:34:44] <aaron83> yep....try to clean the cache
4112 [22:34:54] <Vizva> it returns nothing
4113 [22:35:10] <Vizva> it install the program but what about sandboxes
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4115 [22:35:20] <aaron83> after this reload the cache apt-get update
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4118 [22:35:49] <LtL> Vizva: delete /etc/apt/trusted.gpg ; synaptic corrupts the file
4119 [22:35:51] <person_> n4dir, in xfce: "--drop-down Will start the window in drop-down mode (also called a Quake-style terminal)(...)"
4120 [22:35:57] <Vizva> i could reisntall it and see what happen
4121 [22:36:03] <n4dir> person_: thanks.
4122 [22:36:10] <Vizva> but maybe the same
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4124 [22:36:26] <Vizva> sounnds like a insecure way to download and install
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4128 [22:37:02] <LtL> Vizva: perfectly safe
4129 [22:37:06] <vlt> Hello. What steps are needed to make Debian run in read-only mount mode (using aufs or something like that)? Does anyone know a Debian based distro that does this out-of-the-box?
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4132 [22:37:24] <Vizva> yes therefore i did say ---> sounds like
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4141 [22:41:03] <Vizva> replaced-url
4142 [22:41:12] <Vizva> i did found this i will check that and try
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4161 [22:47:35] <KNERD> vlt: Debian Live off a CD, or DVD
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4163 [22:48:02] <bamb> ok i just built a kernel using the debian docs method of make deb-pkg
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4165 [22:48:15] <bamb> it says "dpkg-genchanges: including full source code in upload". which file contains the full source?
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4168 [22:49:42] <vlt> KNERD: hmmm, I want to run it from a flash drive and configure the machine. Live CD is not reboot safe enough.
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4183 [22:57:04] <KNERD> vlt: unable to write to CD is not "saf" enough?
4184 [22:57:43] <KNERD> you can't get any more write proof than that
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4187 [22:58:06] <vlt> KNERD: :D
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4190 [22:58:18] <vlt> That’s not what I meant.
4191 [22:58:23] <KNERD> or you can write the image to an SD card, switch the write tab on and put eh SD card in a USB to SD card reader
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4196 [22:59:15] <KNERD> CD will always boto to CD first of the BIOS/UEFI is set to boot off it first
4197 [22:59:16] <vlt> I need to read-only part to prevent the flash drive from dying early.
4198 [22:59:18] <person_> when I type gnome-terminal in terminal I then have two terminals
4199 [22:59:32] <person_> but when I do xfce4-terminal the terminal I used stays busy
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4201 [22:59:41] <person_> is there any way to fix that?
4202 [23:00:07] <KNERD> vlt: you stated what you wanted, and I gave it to you
4203 [23:00:21] <KNERD> you dont come bakc and sya "not what I wanted"
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4205 [23:01:05] <KNERD> if you want something else , state it clearly
4206 [23:01:19] <vlt> KNERD: I didn’t say that :-) I said it’s not what I *meant*. My question was not worded well enough.
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4215 [23:04:09] <KNERD> vlt: exactly...so word it so it states what you mean,
4216 [23:05:32] <vlt> Thank you, I’ll be back tomorrow. Need to sleep now.
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4238 [23:12:38] <aloo_shu> xfce4-terminal &
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4241 [23:13:30] <aloo_shu> ^ person ^
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4264 [23:24:55] <P4> hi. i've got strange problem. I have setup debian with two mountpoints: sda1 on / and sda5 on /home. I have 1 user with home on /home/user. After that I dediced to not use sda5 for home anymore so I moved /home/user to /root, unmounted /home, moved /root/user to /home and commented out apropriate line in /etc/fstab. after a reboot I have issues with systemd-logind.service that fails and then I am stuck on
4265 [23:24:57] <P4> raising network interfaces. When I boot in recovery and then just invoke systemctl default then logind has no issues (but I don't get IP addresses from DHCP anymore). Could anybody hint me on what the hell is going on, please? :( This was debian jessie successfully upgraded to debian stretch
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