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0 [00:00:00] <LtL> teo_: replaced-url
1 [00:00:43] <LtL> teo_: you should be using *their* repositories dude
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6 [00:03:52] <teo_> which is the best stable debian version for now ?
7 [00:04:14] <LtL> teo_: for the n'th time /join #linuxcnc
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9 [00:04:29] <LtL> teo_: stretch v9
10 [00:04:40] <teo_> linux cnc it send me here!!
11 [00:05:03] <LtL> teo_: we get a lot of that
12 [00:05:29] <teo_> where can i find this version stretch v9
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15 [00:06:21] <jmcnaught> teo_: replaced-url
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20 [00:07:19] <johnkeates> LinuxCNC shouldn't send you here
21 [00:07:50] <sharp15> jhutchins: thanks for the router advice. i'll probably need it.
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57 [00:20:22] <teo_> what is cinnamon gnome kde .......?
58 [00:20:51] <teo_> it work on dual boot ?
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65 [00:25:40] <gftg> cinnamon, gnome, kde are some of the most known desktop environments (some people call them window managers (there is a gray area in nomenclature)). You can install as many of them as you wish and select which one you want to use from the login screen (usually lightdm)... I don't understand how this relates to dual boot.
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67 [00:28:22] <teo_> dual boot windows xp + debian with grab2
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75 [00:31:00] <gftg> teo_: So, yes, it works on dual boot. You select the desktop environment from the login screen, which only comes up after you selected debian from grub and after a lot of other debian software has initialized.
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78 [00:32:22] <LtL> teo_: with proper disk partitioning, it does.. yes
79 [00:32:36] <teo_> my laptop is old
80 [00:32:58] <teo_> pentium 4 3.06mhz the system is work ?
81 [00:33:38] <teo_> the wheezly install and this is the same ?
82 [00:33:50] <teo_> little diferent ?
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84 [00:34:27] <teo_> the wheezly i know and i dident have problems
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88 [00:37:33] <LtL> teo_: a pentium 4 it will run, but slow
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91 [00:37:57] <teo_> for pentium 4 something good ?
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94 [00:38:44] <LtL> teo_: pentium 4 is bare minimum but i have done it, dual booting
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96 [00:39:53] <teo_> which version i prefer ?
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98 [00:40:33] <teo_> debian 9.1 live i386 ?
99 [00:40:52] <teo_> but who is better ?
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101 [00:42:35] <gftg> I probably want a desktop environment that is light enough for your old machine... I'd recommend to install debian 9.1 i386, then install xfce (or other light enough desktop environment). This means that you should probably avoid kde or gnome.
102 [00:42:50] <gftg> You probably want...
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108 [00:44:33] <LtL> avoid live also
109 [00:45:46] <teo_> my old gcard it find ?
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111 [00:46:02] <teo_> the debian 9.1 ?
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122 [00:51:49] <edju> .join #debian-offtopic
123 [00:51:59] <edju> sorry
124 [00:52:08] <johnkeates> that's off-topic
125 [00:52:16] <johnkeates> i think you should go to debian-offtopic
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150 [01:06:01] <leoslax> Hello everyone!
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152 [01:06:53] <vlt> Hi!
153 [01:07:20] <LtL> johnkeates: apologies i was off-topic i didn't want teo_ to think i was ignoring him.. if you were talking to me, try nick prefix next time
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156 [01:07:40] <johnkeates> no, I was talking to that other guy :D
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159 [01:08:23] <LtL> johnkeates: hence the nick prefix thingy
160 [01:08:35] <leoslax> I'm looking for some help whit postfix.
161 [01:08:49] <johnkeates> leoslax: have you tried #postfix? ;-)
162 [01:09:06] <LtL> leoslax: just ask leoslax if you're running debian.
163 [01:09:25] <johnkeates> no, that's johnkeates
164 [01:09:39] <johnkeates> also, postfix knowns more about postfix, but when they don't we do
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166 [01:10:06] <leoslax> thanks johnkeates
167 [01:10:21] <johnkeates> thanks leoslax
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169 [01:10:40] <johnkeates> not sure if i need more coffee or just need to go to bed
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177 [01:16:23] <foul_owl> Hi folks. Went to go create a new container as usual: sudo lxc-create -n test01 -t debian and I got: Invalid release stretch, valid ones are: squeeze wheezy jessie sid The man page for lxc-create has nothing about how to specify the distro. Thanks!
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189 [01:20:24] <CrowX-> I have the following command:
190 [01:20:26] <CrowX-> tar cpf - /some/important/data | ssh user@destination-machine "tar xpf - -C /some/directory/"
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193 [01:20:39] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: Are you using Debian on the host? Which release? Did you try a command like 'lxc-create -n test01 -t debian -- --release=stretch'?
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195 [01:20:52] <CrowX-> How can I do what this command does, without extracting the files on the destination-machine, but just moving the archive there?
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200 [01:22:03] <foul_owl> Perfect! Thank you! I didn't see --release as an option in the man page
201 [01:22:17] <foul_owl> I wonder why the man page doesn't include that, oh well
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203 [01:22:42] <foul_owl> Sorry for the very stupid question also: why is the double dash necessary?
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206 [01:23:36] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: it's a feature of the template script, not the lxc-create command. Look at /usr/share/lxc/templates, they're all bash. The double dash is so lxc-create that the rest of the arguments are for the template
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220 [01:26:20] <jmcnaught> CrowX-: something like 'tar … | ssh user@example.com "cat > archive.tar"'?
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224 [01:26:50] <Y_00> hello
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226 [01:27:28] <foul_owl> Ah gotcha! Do the templates have their own manuals or how would I look up what options the templates can accept? Thanks!
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228 [01:29:10] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: the lxc-create does answer that question :P search for template-options
229 [01:29:58] <jmcnaught> *lxc-create man page
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273 [01:54:44] <tytan> Hello everyone, is there no ifconfig in Debian 9 anymore?
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275 [01:55:56] <eck> tytan: it's in /sbin
276 [01:56:00] <eck> which is not in $PATH by default
277 [01:56:40] <eck> or consider using "ip addr" or a related ip command
278 [01:56:43] <tytan> was it always like that? why is it like that?
279 [01:57:00] <eck> that's not a new change, idk
280 [01:57:05] <eck> been like that since i can remember
281 [01:57:13] <eck> it's in $PATH for root
282 [01:57:23] <tytan> I can perform "ip a" easily though
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284 [01:57:56] <jmcnaught> ifconfig has always been in /sbin, but new for Debian 9 its package (net-tools) is no longer installed by default
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287 [01:58:33] <tytan> jmcnaught: do you know why?
288 [01:58:52] <novilog> Anyone have a suggestion for open source password managers? There are so many out there, idk where to start. Would be nice if it did random password gen in addition to maintaining them
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290 [01:59:36] <jmcnaught> tytan: why does /sbin exist, or why was net-tools deprecated?
291 [01:59:58] <tytan> why was net-tools deprecated =)
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294 [02:00:34] <novilog> tytan: You can just install it manually. That's what I did.
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301 [02:01:10] <eck> "head -c 12 /dev/urandom | base64" and then upload to a github gist
302 [02:01:10] <jmcnaught> tytan: it's mentioned in the stretch release notes, but this change was announced way back in 2009
303 [02:01:13] <eck> ezpz
304 [02:01:14] <tytan> novilog: I think there is a reason why it's not installed by default
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307 [02:01:46] <tytan> the arch documentations says it's obsolete
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310 [02:02:05] <eck> it's been obsolete for years
311 [02:02:16] <eck> but old habits die hard
312 [02:02:19] <tytan> so what is it replaced with?
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314 [02:02:41] <tytan> is there something like "modern networking" now?
315 [02:02:49] <jmcnaught> tytan: go read the release notes for stretch and find out this and other things you should know ☺
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317 [02:03:27] <eck> it was replaced by ip
318 [02:03:30] <novilog> tytan: In the release notes at replaced-url
319 [02:03:36] <uxfi> Strech ah
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321 [02:03:46] <tytan> lol uxfi you, here?
322 [02:03:55] <uxfi> tytan; yep
323 [02:03:56] <uxfi> why?
324 [02:04:04] <tytan> do you remember me?
325 [02:04:24] <uxfi> sure
326 [02:04:31] <uxfi> I never forget :P
327 [02:04:46] <tytan> uxfi: do you still have your 2011 MBP? =)
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330 [02:04:52] <johnkeates> tytan: iproute2 replaced net-tools a VERY long time ago
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332 [02:05:14] <tytan> johnkeates: Thanks, I will try to get some documentation on that.
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336 [02:05:38] <johnkeates> i think it was in Jessie already
337 [02:05:41] <johnkeates> and optionally in squeeze
338 [02:05:56] <johnkeates> i mean, in wheezy
339 [02:06:02] <novilog> johnkeates: It was only flagged as an optional package with the release of Stretch.
340 [02:06:10] <johnkeates> no, that was net-tools
341 [02:06:16] <johnkeates> i was talking about iproute2
342 [02:06:19] <novilog> Oh
343 [02:06:59] <johnkeates> but yeah, things change and people get confused
344 [02:07:27] <johnkeates> in a year or so, plenty of 'where did ifconfig go' questions will have been asked to already have enough answers on google and irc bots
345 [02:07:29] <novilog> It's funny, because Debian updates are relatively easy to keep track of compared to the rolling release models of some other distributions... >_>
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347 [02:07:34] <johnkeates> yeah
348 [02:07:44] <johnkeates> debian has a good cycle and documents changes
349 [02:08:01] <johnkeates> instead of just having to read everything from the package changelogs or upstream somewhere in a repo
350 [02:08:26] <johnkeates> but i suppose many other distrubitions just hide that information in their certification
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352 [02:08:41] <johnkeates> so you have to buy a RHSA cert to get to the changes
353 [02:08:57] <johnkeates> (and I say buy because it's hardly "studying to get a certification")
354 [02:09:08] <johnkeates> aanyway, rant over
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356 [02:10:00] <novilog> You're pretty angry for a John Keates :-P
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358 [02:10:21] <novilog> I remember good ol' John being the sad type.
359 [02:10:28] <tytan> it's interesting to know for me though
360 [02:10:29] <johnkeates> well, i can be sad and poetic
361 [02:10:41] <eck> wow hating on redhat
362 [02:10:43] <johnkeates> i could write love letters on IRC, but i'd get kicked for flooding
363 [02:10:44] <eck> tsk tsk
364 [02:10:58] <johnkeates> well, i like red hat for being a paid driving force in the linux ecosystem
365 [02:11:10] <johnkeates> but i don't like certifications being taken so seriously
366 [02:11:23] <eck> same
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368 [02:12:12] <rjsalts> but standardised testing is a panacea for all the worlds ills
369 [02:12:13] <johnkeates> i do wonder about some things sometimes, like Linux HA which has no general base and seems to be splitered between RH, CluserLabs and SuSE
370 [02:12:23] <johnkeates> standardised testing is a USA thing
371 [02:12:30] <johnkeates> and they seem to be doing it wrong
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373 [02:12:57] <johnkeates> every time I see news combining USA and Education, it's never good news. Was it ever good?
374 [02:13:07] * johnkeates needs to stahp
375 [02:13:52] <tytan> I'm from germany. The level of education is pretty bad here as well
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377 [02:14:00] <novilog> We Americans have always been great at doing and getting things done. I don't know about academia... but the general philosophy is, throw enough willpower at it, and it will be solved.
378 [02:14:14] <rjsalts> I think we've veered into #debian-offtopic land here
379 [02:14:14] <johnkeates> well, it's not the level, it's availability
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381 [02:14:26] <johnkeates> rjsalts: we did, didn't we
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383 [02:15:10] <rjsalts> luckily nobody has a support question right now
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385 [02:15:37] <johnkeates> the IRC gods have mercy
386 [02:15:42] <tytan> I don't think it's too off-topic though
387 [02:16:02] <johnkeates> I suppose there is a difference between going to school and getting educated, and not wanting to school / simply not getting educated because the system isn't setup for it
388 [02:16:27] <johnkeates> say someone wants to know something and knows how to educate themselves, they could come here
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391 [02:16:39] <johnkeates> and be like "where did ifconfig go"
392 [02:16:47] <johnkeates> and we'd have the information, the reasoning etc.
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395 [02:17:00] <tytan> yes indeed
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398 [02:17:11] <randy1985> is there a way to change a username that you're logged into?
399 [02:17:16] <johnkeates> that's different from people simply not wanting to know, and trying to 'power through' or 'have a chance'
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403 [02:17:29] <johnkeates> randy1985: on IRC or on Debian
404 [02:18:34] <johnkeates> I'm currently in The Netherlands, and a most of the people here can go to any school without finance preventing them from doing that, all they have to do is go
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406 [02:19:01] <johnkeates> but more than half the population chooses or is only capable of doing the least and lowest versions
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408 [02:19:20] <johnkeates> those are probably also not in #debian ;-)
409 [02:19:48] <tytan> johnkeates: selfdriven education is not an option for most people.
410 [02:19:49] <johnkeates> because finding IRC and figuring out how to use it would be too hard (too much work / too specific / no instant gratification)
411 [02:20:03] <tytan> Anyways, I'm offline now. reading aboutiproute2
412 [02:20:08] <johnkeates> ok
413 [02:20:13] <johnkeates> check out the ip manpage too
414 [02:20:17] <randy1985> johnkeates: sorry, on debian
415 [02:20:25] <johnkeates> randy1985: type /nick <new username>
416 [02:20:53] <randy1985> johnkeates: on debian
417 [02:20:59] <johnkeates> oh yes
418 [02:21:05] * johnkeates slaps himself awake
419 [02:21:07] <randy1985> lol
420 [02:21:33] <johnkeates> so, you can't "change" your account name, but you can make a new account and log in to that
421 [02:22:07] <randy1985> can you log out, drop to a tty console and do it as root?
422 [02:22:36] <johnkeates> your account isn't magically connected to anything, and if you rename the directory for the old username into the new username (/home/randy to /home/notrandy) and then change the permissions (something like chown -R notrandy /home/notrandy)
423 [02:22:36] <randy1985> i was under the impression you could usermod it, but if i'm logged in, it objects since processes are using the profile
424 [02:22:48] <johnkeates> yes, log need to log out first
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429 [02:23:40] <johnkeates> wow, my hands are randomly injecting words in my sentences
430 [02:24:06] <novilog> It happens when [it's late | too much coffee | distracted | hungry]
431 [02:24:15] <randy1985> ha. i was gonna suggest MORE coffee
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435 [02:24:45] <johnkeates> i'm still in limbo on that coffee / sleep thing
436 [02:24:53] <johnkeates> i'll just start with tea and see where it gets me
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438 [02:25:04] <johnkeates> so cerbere, how's the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation today?
439 [02:25:10] <johnkeates> cerebro*
440 [02:25:22] <novilog> So back to my question. Is there a good password manager in the debian package repositories? I searched by description for password manager, but the results were confusing at best...
441 [02:25:40] <johnkeates> most of the password managers are Desktop Envionment bound
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443 [02:26:11] <johnkeates> if you want a good CLI password manager, there is one based on a few scripts and GPG, with repo support so you can move them around and share them with other systems
444 [02:26:17] <novilog> That seems a bit useless... how can you have a rock-solid free software password manager if they're DE dependent?
445 [02:26:29] <johnkeates> well, because DE's can be software and free
446 [02:26:31] <novilog> johnkeates: I would love a good CLI one
447 [02:26:46] <johnkeates> okay, let me dig in my history, i read about this one on hackernews
448 [02:27:14] <johnkeates> found it: replaced-url
449 [02:27:16] <novilog> Haha -- I was just at hackernews trying to find an rss feed for their main news page, but nada
450 [02:27:29] <novilog> Awesome! Thanks!
451 [02:27:48] <johnkeates> dpkg pass
452 [02:27:49] <dpkg> johnkeates: I wish you would RTFM.
453 [02:27:54] <johnkeates> :(
454 [02:28:00] <johnkeates> dpkg package pass
455 [02:28:01] <dpkg> johnkeates: are you using Windows?
456 [02:28:03] <johnkeates> arf
457 [02:28:09] <johnkeates> anyway, it's in the repo
458 [02:28:11] <jmcnaught> !ot
459 [02:28:11] <dpkg> #debian is primarily a support channel for Debian users. Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic and take longer discussions and non-support questions to #debian-offtopic. Imagine the chaos if each of the hundreds of people in the channel felt the need to wander off topic for a few minutes every day.
460 [02:28:24] <johnkeates> jmcnaught: this is about a debian package
461 [02:28:35] <jmcnaught> please folks, if you want to chat do it in a channel that's for chatting, this channel is for support
462 [02:28:54] <johnkeates> but. debian. package.
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464 [02:29:12] <johnkeates> here we go: replaced-url
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466 [02:29:59] <johnkeates> it's about 3 years old, but buster has a newer version
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468 [02:30:18] <johnkeates> it is still actively developed, and there is an active debian maintainer too
469 [02:30:41] <novilog> I tried to add the repositories from testing once... I wrecked my system dependency tree.
470 [02:30:55] <jmcnaught> yeah you cannot mix stable and testing or unstable
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472 [02:31:38] <novilog> If I wanted to get the new version, is there a way to do it without being on the respective version?
473 [02:31:45] <novilog> of debian*
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475 [02:32:24] <jmcnaught> if it's not in backports, you could try backporting the package yourself replaced-url
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477 [02:33:35] <novilog> Alright... so much work to be done. Haha. Thanks jmcnaught johnkeates
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480 [02:34:08] <jmcnaught> ,v pass
481 [02:34:09] <judd> Package: pass on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 1.6.3-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 1.6.3-3; stretch: 1.6.5-7; buster: 1.7.1-3; sid: 1.7.1-3
482 [02:34:19] <johnkeates> ah, so it's ,v
483 [02:34:39] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
484 [02:34:39] <johnkeates> alternatively, there is nothing preventing you from using the sources and building your own
485 [02:35:05] <jmcnaught> or actually try the version in stable first, and see if it works for you…
486 [02:35:18] <johnkeates> yeah, that'd work too, it's been patched
487 [02:35:37] <jmcnaught> why add complexity before trying the simple option?
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490 [02:36:11] <novilog> Just want to make sure I'm getting something that's secure... this package looks like it's been around for a long time
491 [02:36:27] <rmzelnick> guys
492 [02:36:29] <rmzelnick> I need help
493 [02:36:49] <rmzelnick> Compiling my kernel, I recall doing it using kernel-package
494 [02:36:53] <jmcnaught> packages in debian stable get security updates, packages in testing and unstable not so much (they get updated as work happens on them)
495 [02:37:11] <jmcnaught> !kernel handbook
496 [02:37:12] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
497 [02:37:26] <novilog> I guess I'm just not used to the major release mode yet. I moved from Arch
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499 [02:38:07] <novilog> Again, thanks jmcnaught johnkeates
500 [02:38:21] <rmzelnick> Okay now I found it hehe
501 [02:38:24] <rmzelnick> thanks
502 [02:38:38] <si\ver> after an upgrade to debian stretch, I have noticed lots of gtk text rendering bugs. Where is a good place to report them via irc or email?
503 [02:39:18] <johnkeates> si\ver: try finding out why or what the problem is first, maybe it's a configuration issue, maybe it's a library issue, maybe with specific programs
504 [02:39:33] <si\ver> It's a platform issue with armhf, I am almost sure.
505 [02:39:36] <rmzelnick> Wait! I need a kernel v4.8.x because VMWare won't work with v4.9.x
506 [02:39:50] <rmzelnick> how can I install a different version using apt?
507 [02:39:52] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: then you don't need to recompile, just install an older kernel
508 [02:40:33] <rmzelnick> apt-cache returns no search
509 [02:40:46] <rmzelnick> for linux sources less than 4.9.x
510 [02:40:51] <johnkeates> novilog: you'll get used to the major release deal, it's actually pretty good when you compare it to the breakage with rolling releases. if you want to know a bit more about those security patches or why version numbers have patch extension numbers, try the new package maintainer's guide, it shows you why things are done that way
511 [02:41:04] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: do you need to recompile, or do you need an older version?
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513 [02:41:32] <rmzelnick> No
514 [02:41:35] <rmzelnick> Just an older version
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517 [02:42:05] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: try linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64
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519 [02:42:59] <rmzelnick> Unable to locate package, couldn't find it by glob, nor regex
520 [02:43:03] <jmcnaught> using a kernel that won't get security updates sounds like a bad compromise to be able to use vmware… but old packages can be found on replaced-url
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522 [02:44:07] <johnkeates> maybe not using vmware is the better option, but who am I to tell you good from evil
523 [02:44:36] <johnkeates> if you *must* for business/policy reasons use vmware, you probably have to use a supported OS as well
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525 [02:45:11] <rmzelnick> I found a patch on the source code around VMWare
526 [02:45:16] <rmzelnick> but it didn't work so well
527 [02:45:31] <rmzelnick> I have it here installed on my computer, but it freezes
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529 [02:45:55] <johnkeates> i'd suggest waiting for the official patch
530 [02:46:00] <johnkeates> when it's in the repo
531 [02:46:11] <jmcnaught> or use something else instead, like libvirt+KVM
532 [02:46:16] <johnkeates> is it reported to the kernel package as a bug?
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534 [02:46:20] <johnkeates> or use Xen
535 [02:46:23] <johnkeates> I like Xen
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538 [02:46:36] <rmzelnick> Not really, I wanna use VMWare because of liability
539 [02:46:49] <rmzelnick> I'm taking system programming at school
540 [02:47:13] <rmzelnick> If anything goes wrong with grading my code, they can use the fact that I was using some other emulator
541 [02:47:21] <rmzelnick> Not the one they specifically asked for
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543 [02:47:37] <johnkeates> they can do that with your kernel version or Linux distro as well
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545 [02:47:43] <rmzelnick> I'm thinking about having a dual-boot between kernels
546 [02:47:47] <rmzelnick> I use lilo
547 [02:47:52] <johnkeates> lilo?
548 [02:47:53] <johnkeates> eek
549 [02:47:55] <johnkeates> gross!
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551 [02:48:10] <johnkeates> but again, do as you please
552 [02:48:10] <rmzelnick> what do you use?
553 [02:48:18] <johnkeates> grub2 or direct EFI loading or Coreboot
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555 [02:48:40] <rmzelnick> I've used grub and grub2
556 [02:48:55] <rmzelnick> I liked the config on grub, but then grub2 came out...
557 [02:48:56] <johnkeates> also, i almost always either boot off of LVM2 on top of RAID1 or ZFS
558 [02:49:21] <rmzelnick> woa!
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560 [02:49:26] <rmzelnick> impressive!
561 [02:49:30] <johnkeates> config-wise: use the system options with /etc/default/grub
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564 [02:49:43] <johnkeates> lilo still uses block maps right?
565 [02:49:56] <rmzelnick> I dunno tbh
566 [02:50:05] <rmzelnick> I used lilo just to get myself acquainted
567 [02:50:15] <johnkeates> hmm
568 [02:50:20] <johnkeates> debian installs grub by default
569 [02:50:24] <rmzelnick> Maybe I'll switch over to syslinux
570 [02:50:26] <johnkeates> unless you replace it or have an ancient install
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572 [02:50:45] <rmzelnick> No
573 [02:50:57] <johnkeates> what do you 'configure' in the bootloader that makes it so that you have configuration issues with grub2?
574 [02:50:58] <rmzelnick> On my install CD I had the option not to install it
575 [02:51:12] <rmzelnick> I didn't install, then used the CD in rescue mode
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578 [02:51:22] <rmzelnick> This is a new install
579 [02:51:42] <rmzelnick> From rescue mode I installed lilo
580 [02:51:51] <johnkeates> but what do you 'configure' in the bootloader that makes it so that you have configuration issues with grub2?
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582 [02:52:53] <rmzelnick> The configuration issue is more of an obstacle since you'd have to re-run grub2, wait for it to build that config menu, and you have to use sudo.
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584 [02:53:23] <rmzelnick> Various nuances, and it's more difficult to learn compared to grub1
585 [02:53:31] <rmzelnick> the config I mean
586 [02:54:23] <johnkeates> that is true, but it is also covered by the fact that hand-written configurations are not that much of a thing anymore
587 [02:54:28] <johnkeates> at least, not in my case
588 [02:55:10] <johnkeates> any special parameters you want go in /etc/default/grub or grub.d and you run update-grub after you edit it
589 [02:55:15] <beingbrown> johnkeates: i'm sorry if this is a the most newb question--i'm setting up xen now--so far, i'm not sure what strategy to go with for vm storage. I definitely don't have raid fanciness. i do have a 200G extended partition available, but unallocated. any advice you could give is well appreciated
590 [02:55:17] <rmzelnick> I'm just picky when it comes to understanding this stuff
591 [02:55:18] <johnkeates> that's all there is to it
592 [02:56:00] <johnkeates> the thing is that when a new kernel comes out or when you add special entries like memtest, or chainload something else, or maybe add xen, those entries need to be added too, and maybe they need those special parameters as well
593 [02:56:18] <johnkeates> so when you have a special needs system, it saves you from duplicating the same things 10 times
594 [02:56:26] <rmzelnick> To me linux is like a new world to explore
595 [02:56:30] <johnkeates> it is
596 [02:56:31] <johnkeates> indeed
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598 [02:57:09] <johnkeates> beingbrown: use LVM for starters, that's probably the best way to get into it ; file based disk images I cannot recommend
599 [02:57:49] <johnkeates> beingbrown: install lvm2 if you don't have it already, then use pvcreate and vgcreate to make a LVM partition out of that 200G
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601 [02:58:10] <johnkeates> beingbrown: and then use lvcreate to make the logical volumes, you can make as many as you like and of any size
602 [02:58:23] <beingbrown> johnkeates: i have it installed. I'm trying to run everything via ansible.
603 [02:58:28] <johnkeates> beingbrown: then you'll end up with /dev/<vg name>/<lv name>
604 [02:58:28] <rmzelnick> But can't I dual boot whenever I need to use VMWare?
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606 [02:58:43] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: you can with Grub2 by default, it does that automatically
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608 [02:58:47] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: with lilo, i don't know
609 [02:58:55] <rmzelnick> I just don't want my graders holding me liable because it wasn't assynchronous blablabla
610 [02:58:56] <johnkeates> it's been 10+ years since i last had to use it
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612 [02:58:58] <beingbrown> regarding logical volumes, can you clarify a little bit on size--i assume i can make as many as I want and of any size so long as the sum of all of them is < 200G, correct?
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614 [02:59:18] <johnkeates> beingbrown: correct, they cannot be more together than the pv in the vg
615 [02:59:44] <beingbrown> a vg can extend across multiple lv, right? or, what's the advantage of the abstraction layer of the vg?
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617 [02:59:48] <johnkeates> beingbrown: you are familiar with lvm terminology? vg = volume group, lv = logical volume, pv = physical volume
618 [02:59:55] <beingbrown> yes.
619 [02:59:57] <johnkeates> okay
620 [03:00:13] <johnkeates> so, the things is that a volume group is in 'between' of the disks and the logical volumes
621 [03:00:25] <beingbrown> okay. i had it backwards.
622 [03:00:28] <johnkeates> you can put as many disks and any type of disk (as a pv) into the vg
623 [03:00:43] <johnkeates> the vg then has the total size of all the disks you added combined available as space
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625 [03:00:54] <johnkeates> the logical volumes 'use' space inside that group
626 [03:01:06] <johnkeates> you can resize them on demand, as long as there is space in the group
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628 [03:01:14] <beingbrown> and so your lv have up to that space--allowing an lv to be split across pv?
629 [03:01:27] <johnkeates> the lvm system will put the data anywhere, so you don't have to fiddle around and move partitions to grow an lv
630 [03:01:32] <johnkeates> yes
631 [03:01:49] <beingbrown> ok. fair enough.
632 [03:01:52] <johnkeates> there are of course settings to change that but by default an LV can be accross many PV's
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635 [03:02:18] <johnkeates> if you have ten disks of 10GB you can make a 100GB VG and on top of that two 50GB LV's and they will be spread out over those 10 disks
636 [03:02:36] <johnkeates> (which i would not recommend as everything will break if even 1 of those 10 disks fails)
637 [03:02:55] <johnkeates> what happens in practise is that people tend to use RAID volumes as PV's
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639 [03:03:15] <beingbrown> how hard is it to retrofit raid?
640 [03:03:20] <johnkeates> it is easy
641 [03:03:29] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: picking a kernel here, I'm confused as to what 4.8.0-x-amd64 means
642 [03:03:38] <johnkeates> this is because the LVM system works with extents and you can reallocate them
643 [03:03:43] <rmzelnick> I see rc (release candidate)
644 [03:03:52] <johnkeates> so you can ask LVM to move all the extents off of a disk
645 [03:03:54] <rmzelnick> But there's also linux-image-4.8.0-1-amd64
646 [03:04:02] <rmzelnick> and 2, and 3
647 [03:04:05] <beingbrown> okay, so i can skip setting up raid now, and revisit it later when i've got more than one pv
648 [03:04:08] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: the -x suffix isn't RC but it's debian-pachlevel
649 [03:04:14] <johnkeates> beingbrown: yes, indeed
650 [03:04:18] <beingbrown> without having to redo everything on top of it.
651 [03:04:20] <beingbrown> perfect.
652 [03:04:22] <johnkeates> yep
653 [03:04:27] <rmzelnick> the x is a placeholder
654 [03:04:44] <johnkeates> yes, x is the placeholder, the number there only means "patch level by debian"
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656 [03:05:01] <rmzelnick> Hum ok
657 [03:05:05] <beingbrown> that's part supply constraint, part mental fatigue. there's so much to cover here. i'm trying to stand up a little whitebox and getting into the realm of 'i don't know any of this at a practical level' way too fast.
658 [03:05:18] <beingbrown> :)
659 [03:05:55] <johnkeates> beingbrown: when you want to move to raid, it's reasonably simple; you first setup raid, i.e. you use MD, mdadm to create a raid1 disk out of 2 normal disks, i.e. /dev/sde1 and /dev/sdf1, giving you /dev/md0
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662 [03:06:38] <johnkeates> beingbrown: then you use pvcreate and vgextend
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664 [03:06:51] <johnkeates> pvcreate on the md0 raid1 disk, and vgextend to add that pv to the vg
665 [03:07:02] <johnkeates> at this point, it's not used since it's only added
666 [03:07:26] <johnkeates> then you tell lvm to move all extents from that 200gb partition away to the raid PV, and when it's done you tell it to remove the 200gb PV
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668 [03:07:37] <johnkeates> at that point, you can wipe it since it's no longer in use
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670 [03:07:54] <johnkeates> during all of this, there will obviously be a performance impact but everything can keep running
671 [03:08:45] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: if you get a panic, it's probably because you are either using the wrong initrd with the kernel or you may have to use/fix the boot parameters
672 [03:08:46] <beingbrown> cool.
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674 [03:09:04] <beingbrown> okay. so for now, going to go do this. then to go shop for some larger volumes.
675 [03:09:09] <johnkeates> yep
676 [03:09:15] <rmzelnick> no worries hehe I'm familiar with gentoo
677 [03:09:17] <beingbrown> i may be back with questions.
678 [03:09:18] <beingbrown> :)
679 [03:09:22] <johnkeates> cool
680 [03:09:25] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: also cool
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685 [03:10:06] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: do you use any other linux distro?
686 [03:10:08] <neilthereildeil> hey guys. i loaded the e1000e NIC driver with modprobe -a because google says thats what i need for my NIC. now that its loaded, why doesnt ifconfig -a show a new interface?
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695 [03:12:19] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: because it only shows interfaces it knows about, what does dmesg say? also: the drivers get loaded automatically, google is a liar. check lspci as well
696 [03:13:05] <neilthereildeil> johnkeates: now that i loaded e1000e, dmesg shows init messages from the driver
697 [03:13:06] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: yep, it's a mixed bag. debian, fedora, rhel, grml, alpine, openwrt (doesn't really count), arch, slackware, tinycore
698 [03:13:25] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: it will also show you the device name it came up as
699 [03:13:32] <neilthereildeil> lspci shows the ethernet device before and after loading e1000e
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701 [03:13:49] <johnkeates> dmesg should have something like eth1 or en0ps1 or whatever
702 [03:14:19] <johnkeates> if it shows nothing, your card might be broken, or it may be a miniGBIC interface and you need to stick an adapter in it to work
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706 [03:14:58] <neilthereildeil> ok so i see the pci device referenced in dmesg
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708 [03:15:23] <neilthereildeil> it talks about sleep states and MMIO addresses
709 [03:15:28] <johnkeates> okay
710 [03:15:39] <neilthereildeil> but no device names listed
711 [03:15:41] <johnkeates> maybe paste your dmesg to termbin if you're not afraid of that kind of thing
712 [03:15:45] <uxfi> Should update to strech tonight
713 [03:15:48] <uxfi> or tommrow morning.
714 [03:15:53] <uxfi> Where are the update released notes?
715 [03:16:19] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: replaced-url
716 [03:16:33] <johnkeates> uxfi: here: replaced-url
717 [03:16:37] <uxfi> thanks!
718 [03:16:46] <neilthereildeil> johnkeates: im offline remember?
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720 [03:16:48] <neilthereildeil> :)
721 [03:16:54] <johnkeates> oh, i thought it was an extra nic
722 [03:16:58] <uxfi> johnkeates; I'm running a custom build of 8 now so I hope this ugprade goes welll
723 [03:17:15] <johnkeates> uxfi: as long as you have backups, nothing can hurt you! :p
724 [03:17:32] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: well, if the driver is loaded and works, it should give you an interface name as well
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726 [03:17:49] <uxfi> johnkeates; yeah I shoudl take the USB/SD card and make a back up
727 [03:18:09] <rmzelnick> having problems with debian keyring after the snapshot was put into sources.list
728 [03:18:16] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: igb for example, says stuff like igb 0000:05:00.0: added PHC on eth1
729 [03:18:19] <neilthereildeil> johnkeates: i know the hardware works because ive booted other kernels on this machine
730 [03:18:38] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: try noy using it directly but just pull the package.deb manually, it has no dependencies iirc
731 [03:18:47] <randy1985> so I want to delete a group, but you can't delete a group if it's a user's primary group. after "gpasswd -d <user> <group>", "groups <user>" still shows <group> as his primary group. Any ideas?
732 [03:18:51] <rmzelnick> I try that at first
733 [03:18:55] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: okay, but it should post the interface name during driver load
734 [03:18:56] <rmzelnick> it depends on linux-headers
735 [03:19:06] <johnkeates> randy1985: delete the user first
736 [03:19:14] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: then download that too :p if you don't have it
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738 [03:19:25] <neilthereildeil> johnkeates: ok, i just booted to the other kernel
739 [03:19:27] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: or get the extra keyring i guess
740 [03:19:36] <neilthereildeil> lspci -k says e1000e is in use for that device
741 [03:19:44] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: okay, so it differs in functionality between kernels
742 [03:19:56] <johnkeates> neilthereildeil: is it a very new nic or very old one by chance?
743 [03:19:58] <neilthereildeil> yea so it could be my custom kernel
744 [03:20:02] <neilthereildeil> very new
745 [03:20:04] <johnkeates> ah
746 [03:20:11] <johnkeates> then you need to build a new kernel as well
747 [03:20:14] <johnkeates> with the driver enabled
748 [03:20:15] <johnkeates> etc
749 [03:20:18] <neilthereildeil> oh crap
750 [03:20:21] <neilthereildeil> i need this kernel version
751 [03:20:38] <johnkeates> it is possible that the driver simply doesn't exist for that kernel version
752 [03:20:41] <neilthereildeil> ok ill check kernel git
753 [03:20:44] <johnkeates> but sometimes you can backport it
754 [03:21:05] <johnkeates> e1000e isn't all that special, but it has different versions and gets upgraded all the time
755 [03:21:18] <johnkeates> if your older kernel has an older e1000e it won't work
756 [03:21:36] <johnkeates> and debian doesn't have separate driver packages for that driver
757 [03:22:19] <randy1985> johnkeates: surely there is an effective way to remove a user from a group. no way you have to delete the whole profile
758 [03:22:54] <johnkeates> well, you have to re-assign the primary group and optional groups and if the user is logged in, log it out first etc.
759 [03:23:15] <johnkeates> so while not impossible, it is far easier to just delete the user and re-create it with the groups you want if it's a live syste
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762 [03:25:30] <randy1985> the user isn't logged in. recreating the user's config would be too cumbersome. how do you reassign his primary group?
763 [03:25:59] <johnkeates> deleting the user does not delete the config
764 [03:26:01] <johnkeates> or anything else
765 [03:26:02] <johnkeates> just the user
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768 [03:26:25] <johnkeates> well, except for when you use some GUI, then all bets are off
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770 [03:27:02] <randy1985> use some gui to do the deleting?
771 [03:27:19] <johnkeates> well, you never know
772 [03:27:26] <johnkeates> some people use gui's
773 [03:27:38] <johnkeates> and then you don't really control things and it all goes to crap
774 [03:28:11] <randy1985> oh i was just clarifying if you meant using a gui to do the deleting vs talking about config elements of the DE or something
775 [03:28:28] <johnkeates> oh no
776 [03:28:40] <johnkeates> it was more of a 'how are you doing this' type of question
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778 [03:29:16] <johnkeates> i think userdel helps
779 [03:29:21] <johnkeates> but hey, that's just me
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782 [03:30:15] <johnkeates> deluser doesn't delete anything either by default, but userdel never does, so that's a fine choice
783 [03:30:47] <randy1985> i'm a fan of multiple options. aside from your suggested method, how do you reassign a user's primary group? (i've had reason to do this before)
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785 [03:33:01] <johnkeates> well, i'd say usermod as usual, but if that doesn't work for some reason.. using NIS or SSSD or LDAP?
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787 [03:34:02] <randy1985> thank you
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797 [03:38:00] <johnkeates> randy1985: by the way, note the difference between -g and -G and the -a option; -g is for the primary group, -G for all other groups and doing -a -G means adding extra groups instead of completely overwriting with the groups you supplied
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801 [03:40:03] <randy1985> yep. man page ftw
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803 [03:43:03] <rmzelnick> I need to find the key for the snapshot I'm using
804 [03:43:11] <rmzelnick> I can't find it at all
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806 [03:43:22] <rmzelnick> It says linux-signed
807 [03:43:44] <uxfi> randy1985; ++
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809 [03:44:25] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: what if you ignore it and just install the packages? or are you a five-eyes target (or in russia/china)
810 [03:44:35] <rmzelnick> No
811 [03:44:45] <rmzelnick> I can't even use --allow-unauthentication
812 [03:44:50] <johnkeates> oh :(
813 [03:44:56] <rmzelnick> doesn't work with apt-get
814 [03:45:04] <rmzelnick> Still I'm missing the Release.gpg
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819 [03:45:53] <rmzelnick> replaced-url
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825 [03:48:20] <johnkeates> well, in replaced-url
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827 [03:48:31] <johnkeates> and a realease file
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830 [03:49:04] <maxcell_> i'm sick i need help
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846 [03:55:49] <rmzelnick> where do I put the release file?
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852 [03:57:47] <somiaj> rmzelnick: release file in what context?
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856 [03:58:27] <newcoder> I can't find a package named 'more'
857 [03:58:31] <newcoder> Why?
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861 [03:58:47] <rmzelnick> I'm using snapshots from debian to get a older kernel release v4.8.0 but I'm getting an error since I don't have Release.gpg and Release.
862 [03:59:04] <rmzelnick> somiaj: ^
863 [03:59:25] <rmzelnick> more belongs to coreutils I think
864 [03:59:30] <rmzelnick> newcoder: ^
865 [03:59:43] <newcoder> rmzelnick: Are you sure?
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871 [04:00:54] <rmzelnick> newcoder: just confirmed here
872 [04:01:05] <newcoder> I think, more is not in coreutils
873 [04:01:16] <rmzelnick> it's not
874 [04:01:27] <rmzelnick> I meant to say it is not
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879 [04:04:30] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: what is the deb line that you added to sources.list?
880 [04:04:34] <somiaj> rmzelnick: What error are you getting? Google seems to suggest the common error is release file is expired. afiak the release file is on the repo no the client.
881 [04:05:06] <rmzelnick> deb [check-valid-until=no] replaced-url
882 [04:05:15] <somiaj> newcoder: dpkg -S /bin/more returns util-linux here in stretch.
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884 [04:05:31] <rmzelnick> then I have a deb-src
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889 [04:06:08] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: where did 'linux-signed' come from?
890 [04:06:17] <somiaj> rmzelnick: linux-signed is not a valid debian repo.
891 [04:06:24] <rmzelnick> here replaced-url
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893 [04:06:36] <rmzelnick> well then what should I use LoL?
894 [04:06:39] <rmzelnick> main?
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896 [04:06:53] <jmcnaught> rmzelnick: you may need to reread the usage instruction on the snapshot front page
897 [04:06:56] <somiaj> rmzelnick: what repo was that pakage put into, stretch? jessie? sid?
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901 [04:07:47] <rmzelnick> somiaj: that's what I'm trying to find out
902 [04:07:50] <somiaj> rmzelnick: linux-signed is the name of the source package, not the repo.
903 [04:08:09] <somiaj> rmzelnick: what are you needing this binary package for? Why do you need an older (mostlikely insecure) kernel?
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905 [04:08:43] <rmzelnick> I need to downgrade from v4.9 to v4.8 to support VMWare (required by school)
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907 [04:09:37] <somiaj> rmzelnick: sounds like you want to use stretch then.
908 [04:10:07] <rmzelnick> Yes, indeed I have stretch
909 [04:10:32] <somiaj> yes, you most likely want the snapshot kernel made for stretch, though I'm surprised I don't see that info on the page you link
910 [04:10:50] <johnkeates> it's jessie
911 [04:11:11] <somiaj> that kernel was never built for jessie, 4.8 might be in jessie-backports though.
912 [04:11:15] <johnkeates> like i posted: replaced-url
913 [04:11:17] <rmzelnick> My distro came with keys for jessie
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915 [04:11:27] <johnkeates> but 4.8 is on multiple pages
916 [04:11:30] <johnkeates> it's not that hard to get it
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918 [04:12:33] <somiaj> rmzelnick: if you want the kernel built for stretch use 'stretch' if you want the older kernel built in jessie-backports (for jessie) use jessie-backports. It is asking for the repo in which the binary package you are wanting was originally built for.
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921 [04:14:42] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: this is what i have on a stretch system upgraded from jessie and i did have jessie-backports on back then: ii linux-image-4.8.0-2-amd64 4.8.15-2 amd64 Linux 4.8 for 64-bit PCs (signed)
922 [04:14:51] <johnkeates> so that verion should be somewhere
923 [04:15:27] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: are you gonna install v4.9?
924 [04:15:35] <rmzelnick> It came with my stretch :)
925 [04:15:36] <johnkeates> i'm already running 4.9
926 [04:15:56] <johnkeates> i have multiple kernels installed
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931 [04:17:43] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: somiaj:
932 [04:17:43] <rmzelnick> replaced-url
933 [04:17:47] <rmzelnick> opps
934 [04:18:01] <rmzelnick> deb [check-valid-until=no] replaced-url
935 [04:18:07] <rmzelnick> no
936 [04:18:14] <somiaj> as we said linux-signed is not a valid repo, that is the source package name.
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939 [04:18:40] <somiaj> use either stretch or jessie-backports depending on what version of debian you are running. But I personally would try to find another option than using an old insecure kernel for your issue.
940 [04:18:47] <rmzelnick> deb [check-valid-until=no] replaced-url
941 [04:18:48] <johnkeates> remove linux-signed and replace it with either "jessie" or "stretch"
942 [04:19:06] <johnkeates> yes
943 [04:19:10] <rmzelnick> well
944 [04:19:21] <rmzelnick> I use 'stretch' and ran apt-get update
945 [04:19:51] <somiaj> johnkeates: are you sure jessie will work, the 4.8 kernel was never made for jessie, you most likely mean jessie-backports
946 [04:19:59] <rmzelnick> replaced-url
947 [04:20:17] <rmzelnick> let me past my sources.list
948 [04:20:30] <johnkeates> remove the src
949 [04:20:40] <johnkeates> deb-src that is
950 [04:21:04] <rmzelnick> replaced-url
951 [04:21:26] <rmzelnick> but the main page of snapshot.debian.org shows an example with that src
952 [04:21:44] <johnkeates> okay, but remove it
953 [04:21:50] <johnkeates> only use the deb one
954 [04:22:13] <rmzelnick> there's also deb security
955 [04:22:19] <rmzelnick> there are two deb-src
956 [04:22:21] <johnkeates> just use deb
957 [04:22:24] <rmzelnick> ok
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959 [04:22:45] <rmzelnick> stretch-updates?
960 [04:22:47] <johnkeates> nay
961 [04:23:00] <johnkeates> deb [check-valid-until=no] replaced-url
962 [04:23:02] <johnkeates> and nothing else
963 [04:23:06] <johnkeates> then install the kernel
964 [04:23:49] <rmzelnick> oh no'
965 [04:24:14] <rmzelnick> it shows linux-image-4.8.x-bpo
966 [04:24:17] <johnkeates> that's ok
967 [04:24:18] <rmzelnick> what's bpo?
968 [04:24:21] <johnkeates> backport
969 [04:24:22] <rmzelnick> backports?
970 [04:24:24] <rmzelnick> hm
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973 [04:25:12] <rmzelnick> alright let's see =)
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976 [04:27:51] <rmzelnick> that's why I like Debian
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978 [04:28:06] <rmzelnick> There are almost no binhosts in gentoo
979 [04:28:16] <rmzelnick> I save time from compiling
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982 [04:29:38] <johnkeates> yep, basically everything that is a buildable source package is also a binary package
983 [04:29:44] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: got error =(
984 [04:30:10] <johnkeates> what brand?
985 [04:30:28] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: replaced-url
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987 [04:31:11] <rmzelnick> I'll like need that deb-src
988 [04:31:17] <rmzelnick> likely
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994 [04:32:31] <johnkeates> did linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 not work?
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996 [04:32:55] <rmzelnick> It wasn't included in there
997 [04:33:06] <rmzelnick> I have been able to update to deb-src
998 [04:33:09] <johnkeates> okay, so if you apt-get install linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64
999 [04:33:10] <johnkeates> ah
1000 [04:33:15] <johnkeates> well, should be there then
1001 [04:33:28] <johnkeates> linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 should probably have been installed by whatever wants dkms (vmware?)
1002 [04:33:47] <rmzelnick> The following packages have unmet dependencies: linux-headers-4.8.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 : Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-4.9-x86
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1004 [04:34:14] <rmzelnick> yes
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1011 [04:36:58] <jmcnaught> should be using stretch snapshot repo not jessie-backports if you're using stretch and not jessie
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1013 [04:38:10] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: will change and try again
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1018 [04:39:52] <rmzelnick> so ftp.us.debian.org is going down soon right?
1019 [04:40:03] <rmzelnick> I saw the FB post
1020 [04:40:24] <jmcnaught> it will still be available via http, but no longer via ftp
1021 [04:40:25] <rmzelnick> I mean, the FTP counterpart
1022 [04:40:29] <rmzelnick> yea
1023 [04:40:43] <jmcnaught> !ftp must die
1024 [04:40:44] <dpkg> FTP MUST DIE! replaced-url
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1026 [04:41:25] <dvs> killers!
1027 [04:41:56] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: what nfs does linux offer?
1028 [04:42:11] <rmzelnick> I'd go with Samba, but that's still Windows NT
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1031 [04:43:11] <dvs> nfs??? But the users need a little coordinating between machines.
1032 [04:43:27] <rmzelnick> jmcnaught: ok now it seems to have found the correct package: linux-image-4.8.0-3-amd64
1033 [04:44:09] <rmzelnick> dvs: I work in an office, we use Samba. I wonder if there's a linux counterpart.
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1035 [04:45:05] <dvs> rmzelnick, you can still use samba with debian
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1037 [04:45:35] <rmzelnick> But I was wondering what nfs's linux offer
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1039 [04:45:50] <rmzelnick> nfsesses
1040 [04:46:09] <dvs> !nfs
1041 [04:46:09] <dpkg> Network File System (NFS) is a distributed file system protocol developed by Sun Microsystems. To set up and secure, read the Linux NFS-HOWTO at replaced-url
1042 [04:46:51] <rmzelnick> !kerberos
1043 [04:46:52] <dpkg> somebody said kerberos was a cross-platform networked security and authentication system for accessing services. replaced-url
1044 [04:47:25] <dvs> that's more of a security protocol
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1046 [04:48:08] <rmzelnick> dvs: well you see.. FTP is bad, but if you're working a small office I think it gets the job done
1047 [04:48:26] <johnkeates> SFTP is easier
1048 [04:48:32] <johnkeates> because you don't have to install ftp
1049 [04:48:39] <johnkeates> and you probably already have ssh and sftp
1050 [04:48:42] <rmzelnick> despite of the fact that I installed Samba, and conviced my boss on the idea
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1052 [04:49:31] <rmzelnick> ok so far so
1053 [04:49:32] <rmzelnick> good
1054 [04:49:41] <rmzelnick> the kernel is installing no errors
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1063 [04:55:07] <rmzelnick> ok, brb gotta restart
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1066 [04:55:13] <rmzelnick> the instalation went well
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1083 [05:02:25] <rmzelnick_> johnkeates: jmcnaught: thanks!
1084 [05:02:31] <rmzelnick_> I'm back
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1099 [05:13:11] <johnkeates> rmzelnick: score!
1100 [05:13:12] <rmzelnick> johnkeates: jmcnaught: yay VMWare is now running
1101 [05:13:20] <johnkeates> virtualise all the things!
1102 [05:13:28] <johnkeates> i'm gonna virtualise myself to bed now
1103 [05:13:30] <johnkeates> it's 5AM :p
1104 [05:13:34] <rmzelnick> hahahahaha
1105 [05:13:36] <rmzelnick> thanks john
1106 [05:13:42] <rmzelnick> see you around sometime
1107 [05:13:44] <johnkeates> see ya!
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1159 [05:58:33] <jrj> hello
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1161 [05:59:32] <jrj> i tested fresh debian 9 with sssd to add to active directory domain and gvfs-fuse,fusesmb for accessing smb shares
1162 [05:59:52] <jrj> i can not open any file directly from network share
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1164 [06:00:06] <jrj> do i need to do some additional configuration?
1165 [06:00:40] <jrj> same situation with centos7 has no any problems - files can be opened without problems
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1167 [06:01:20] <jrj> and more about debian - if i copy file from smb share to local disk - it opens well
1168 [06:01:54] <jrj> i tested it in xfce
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1172 [06:04:29] <Tom-_> !wait
1173 [06:04:29] <dpkg> If no-one has answered your question to your satisfaction, please wait 10 minutes before asking again. Please don't whine about your problem, about the channel, about Debian, Linux, or anything else. Just wait 10 minutes and then ask again. Ask me about <repeat> and <ask>.
1174 [06:04:35] <Tom-_> someone might know
1175 [06:04:59] <Tom-_> i thought people usually used SAMBA, no experience with fusesmb
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1517 [07:29:58] <xormor_> replaced-url
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1521 [07:32:24] <klys> it seems none of your base packages were available from stretch-backports. have you read the packages file?
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1525 [07:34:21] <xormor_> klys, how?
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1528 [07:35:34] <klys> less /var/lib/apt/lists/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_stretch-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages
1529 [07:35:39] <klys> for example
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1557 [07:47:27] <novilog> Was there a replacement for nautilus-connect-server implemented in Stretch? Or was it just nuked entirely?
1558 [07:47:43] <novilog> I didn't see anything in the release notes about it
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1582 [08:00:52] <hexnewbie> novilog: apt-file search nautilus-connect-server
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1584 [08:01:03] * hexnewbie wishes there was stretch-upports
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1591 [08:04:49] <novilog> hexnewbie: I'm wondering why it wasn't carried over it if wasn't replaced...
1592 [08:05:09] <novilog> hexnewbie: It came as a standard install with Jessie
1593 [08:05:51] <hexnewbie> novilog: Check if it exists in another package with apt-file. If it doesn't, my first suspicion would be that GNOME is to blame, not Debian
1594 [08:06:27] <hexnewbie> novilog: In case if it *wasn't* removed upstream, you can possibly make a bug report about it (not sure if there's any chance it reappers in stretch if that's the case, though)
1595 [08:06:27] <novilog> hexnewbie: That command doesn't exist. Is it something that needs to be installed?
1596 [08:06:37] <novilog> hexnewbie: That's not a standard utility
1597 [08:06:39] <hexnewbie> novilog: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update
1598 [08:07:26] <novilog> hexnewbie: Oh, entirely possible that GNOME is to blame...
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1605 [08:11:22] <Brosun> Debian on laptops - I'm trying to decide between a Dell XPS 13 9360 and an Asus Zenbook UX330UA.
1606 [08:11:26] <Brosun> replaced-url
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1823 [09:48:15] <sbeex> hello guys
1824 [09:48:32] <eck> sup sb
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1826 [09:49:00] <Trap-Chan> is there a good HTPC DM? alot of what I'm reading is tips about increasing zoom to make it easier to read but that seems to be missing the point that dpad/sel navication is better for a couch experience. (like kodi and steam BP)
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1832 [09:52:45] <ben25> is fdupes the good option to find duplicate files?
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1835 [09:53:02] <ben25> never used before wondering if my research google was ok
1836 [09:53:10] <ws2k3> i installed debian. i use uefi. so i set the first boot method int he bios as uefi my disk. i save and exit. but after reboot i immidiatly come in the bios again. what can this be?
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1838 [09:54:40] <sleepyhead> ws2k3: yeah i had this same problem as well with opensuse
1839 [09:54:49] <sleepyhead> not sure what's going on
1840 [09:55:11] <Trap-Chan> don't you need to install AFTER changing that setting? i had to, maybe there is another fix.
1841 [09:55:51] <ws2k3> Trap-Chan can i not just disable uefi? and boot normaly
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1844 [09:57:15] <cruncher> ben25, the program does its purpose. you have to see for yourself if the results are "comfortable" for you
1845 [09:57:16] <Trap-Chan> i dunno. when i messed with that stuff i only had one drive.
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1851 [09:59:10] <cruncher> ws2k3, if you didnt install it with uefi, you can disable it. Try to boot without uefi, then you know
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1875 [10:14:57] <ben25> cruncher, oh it seems all fine, thanks ;)
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1878 [10:16:52] <Trap-Chan> is there a reason that pulse audio on a totally fresh install should not want to run?
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1881 [10:17:23] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, of course there is a reason :) .. but if you are asking if its normal, then no is the answer
1882 [10:17:52] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, and explain "not want to run"
1883 [10:18:00] <Trap-Chan> k, any tips on where to start the debugging? i get sound output on programs that let me manually select the HDMI output.
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1885 [10:19:14] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, so your speakers are on the HDMI interface?
1886 [10:19:21] <Trap-Chan> hrm...i cant really think of a better way to put it that isn't a paragraph so: i only know because volume control tells me "connection to pulseaudio failed" and anything where i can't manually set the output are silent.
1887 [10:19:39] <Trap-Chan> my speakers are built into the tv.
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1891 [10:21:33] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, so if i understand you correctly, you want just to set HDMI as default, then all should be fine?
1892 [10:21:49] <Trap-Chan> also likely worth mentioning sudo start-pulseaudio-x11 gives me "command not found"
1893 [10:22:04] <Trap-Chan> that and having access to volume mixxer would be grand.
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1895 [10:22:17] <Trap-Chan> but yeah the hdmi default is higher priority.
1896 [10:22:38] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, you dont have to start pulse by hand
1897 [10:22:48] <cruncher> what DE are you using?
1898 [10:22:52] <Trap-Chan> the volume control window says to is why i tried
1899 [10:23:10] <Trap-Chan> i'm using the xfce that installed by default from the debian cd.
1900 [10:23:27] <Trap-Chan> i've tweaked things but not anything that should hit performance. just aesthetic stuff.
1901 [10:24:19] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, you can add an applet to the panel
1902 [10:24:42] <cruncher> then choose pulseaudio plugin
1903 [10:24:43] <Trap-Chan> you mean like the launchers and alternate clock i added?
1904 [10:24:48] <cruncher> yes
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1908 [10:26:27] <Trap-Chan> now my screen just keeps flashing a big notification saying that audio is muted
1909 [10:26:37] <cruncher> unmute :)
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1911 [10:27:10] <Trap-Chan> not muted
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1914 [10:27:23] <jelly> judd: file bin/start-pulseaudio-x11
1915 [10:27:27] <judd> Search for bin/start-pulseaudio-x11 in stretch/amd64: pulseaudio: usr/bin/start-pulseaudio-x11
1916 [10:27:49] <jelly> Trap-Chan: also that's supposed to run as normal user, not root
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1918 [10:28:09] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, before setting any defaults, just ope audio mixer trough the applet, select HDMI and play some sound to see if all is fine
1919 [10:28:32] <Trap-Chan> mixer won't run because of the error i mentioned before.
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1921 [10:29:03] <jelly> Trap-Chan: get pulseaudio running first, then. After pulseaudio is running use pavucontrol to set both default output device, or tune applications separately
1922 [10:29:37] <Trap-Chan> k just looked and didn't see start-pulseaudio-x11 in /bin/
1923 [10:30:26] <Trap-Chan> same for /usr/bin/
1924 [10:30:30] <cruncher> is a pulseaudio process active?
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1926 [10:31:12] <Trap-Chan> the answer is no.
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1928 [10:31:21] <Trap-Chan> i'm thinking pulse audio didn't install off the cd?
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1930 [10:31:59] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, output of "pulseaudio --check"
1931 [10:32:20] <Trap-Chan> probably to late to that. i ran apt-get and it's definitely downloading stuff.
1932 [10:32:37] <Trap-Chan> hey the strobing mute is gone. :P
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1934 [10:33:04] <lss8> if I know the name of a binaray, say netstat, how do I find out which package includes it?
1935 [10:33:24] <lss8> without googling ;)
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1937 [10:33:41] <Trap-Chan> with all the stuff that didn't come on the cd i'm begining to wonder if that's also why kodi and vlc won't play dvds.
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1939 [10:34:57] <bezaban> lss8: apt-file
1940 [10:35:19] <bezaban> need to install it and build a cache iirc
1941 [10:35:29] <cruncher> lss8, you can use also dpkg -S, but only for installed packages
1942 [10:35:43] <lss8> and what's the exact command? apt-file search netstat / apt-file list netstat didn't really work as expected
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1946 [10:36:41] <bezaban> lss8: please emphasize on "not expected"? :)
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1948 [10:37:27] <lss8> bezaban: it's throwing a shitload of output of every package which includes a file whose name includes "netstat", e.g. netstatus.py, etc.
1949 [10:37:33] <lss8> I already know the _exact_ binary name
1950 [10:37:42] <lss8> i don't want to fuzzy search
1951 [10:37:49] <bezaban> lss8: right, that means you have the cache built. apt-file bin/netstat should narrow it dowbn
1952 [10:38:00] <lss8> :/
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1957 [10:40:01] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, if it wasnt installed, then it was probably the reason
1958 [10:41:35] <bezaban> lss8: or perhaps something like search -x /netstat$
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1960 [10:42:11] <Trap-Chan> is there some kind of dvd decoder that i need to get separately from vlc to get it to load dvds? i can browse the files on the disk just like on my win computer but when i try to load it it stops after identifying what movie it is.
1961 [10:42:53] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, its not in debian, but you want libdvdcss2
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1963 [10:43:21] <cruncher> so look for it on the vlc page, or google
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1966 [10:43:38] <Trap-Chan> will do, thanx
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1973 [10:44:52] <Trap-Chan> huh, looks like one of my repos has it.
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1975 [10:45:32] <Trap-Chan> i'm guessing that has to do with dvd licensing, same reason the xbox didn't include dvd playback out of the box?
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1983 [10:47:08] <Trap-Chan> bummer. vlc still won't play the dvd on the deb machine. >.<
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1985 [10:47:34] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, i would start/continue with getting the sound working
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1987 [10:47:51] <Trap-Chan> as far as i can tell it's 100% good now. that's why i moved on to dvd.
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2001 [10:48:29] <a0z> hi everyone, i'm having a problem attempting to burn a CD-R. i need a windows live cd to load a firmware updater EXE to update my laptop BIOS: i have the windows iso, i have the bios update, but when i use wodim to burn the disk i get "wodim: OPC failed." i have spent the last hour googling, lots of others have the problem but i failed to find any solutions.
2002 [10:48:43] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, easiest is to start vlc per command line, and check the errors
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2006 [10:48:59] <Trap-Chan> ahh clever. i'm not that clever. :P
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2008 [10:49:13] <cruncher> a0z, there is no "windows live cd" (normally)
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2011 [10:49:41] <cruncher> a0z, and also, usually the bios is offered as a windows program and a ISO
2012 [10:49:44] <a0z> cruncher: i obtained "Hirens Boot CD" which has a "Windows XP Live Environment"
2013 [10:49:48] <cruncher> so you wouldnt need windows fo rit
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2015 [10:50:17] <a0z> for the model of Alienware laptop i have, Dell only provide BIOS update as EXE file
2016 [10:50:23] <cruncher> a0z, yes, thats a PE environment, but i dont think its suited to update bios
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2019 [10:51:15] <a0z> the only other option i have is reformat my hdd, install windows, update bios, re-format and reinstall debian... i'm rather comfy with sid at the moment
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2026 [10:51:35] <cruncher> a0z, did you try some other buring program? Brasero always worked for me
2027 [10:51:49] <Trap-Chan> no css library available...isn't that the thing libdvdcss2 thing?
2028 [10:52:16] <pigeonv> you have to add another source, I guess
2029 [10:52:17] <bazhang> ,v libdvd-pkg
2030 [10:52:18] <judd> Package: libdvd-pkg on amd64 -- jessie-backports/contrib: 1.4.0-1-1~bpo8+1; buster/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2; sid/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2; stretch/contrib: 1.4.0-1-2
2031 [10:52:20] <a0z> tried brasero and wodim to no avail
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2033 [10:52:30] <bazhang> thats what you want these days
2034 [10:52:42] <a0z> i'm trying to burn a CD not a DVD
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2036 [10:53:03] <bazhang> then there's no need for the css
2037 [10:53:15] <Trap-Chan> lolz i think 2 convos are crashing. :P
2038 [10:53:20] <cruncher> people got mixed up now :D
2039 [10:53:47] <Trap-Chan> looks like libdvdcss2 downloaded libdvd-pkg for me.
2040 [10:53:53] <bazhang> if someone wanted to rip, then the one I suggested is it
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2043 [10:54:27] <Trap-Chan> atm i don't care about rip or burn, just want vlc and code to actually play my movies. :P
2044 [10:54:31] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, rty bazhangs suggestion, because when you said you already had it in some repo, it sounds like you dont know what you have. Remove it and better use the libdvd-pkg
2045 [10:54:38] <cruncher> s/rty/try
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2047 [10:55:06] <Trap-Chan> i assume it came from the 'non-free' repo. :P
2048 [10:55:23] <Trap-Chan> k, how do you uninstall again? do you just say that instead of install?
2049 [10:55:28] <bazhang> it should prompt to run apt once more after you download it
2050 [10:56:04] <Trap-Chan> k, what is the dif between apt apt-get and aptitude? am i wrong to always try apt-get first?
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2056 [10:57:02] <cruncher> a0z, what model?
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2058 [10:57:23] <a0z> cruncher: its a generic usb dvd+cd r/w
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2060 [10:57:30] <cruncher> a0z, i mean laptop
2061 [10:57:50] <a0z> cruncher: alienware m11x r3
2062 [10:58:06] <cheapie> a0z: Have you tried a different disc?
2063 [10:58:46] <cheapie> "OPC failed" (especially if it takes a minute or two to fail) usually means either a bad disc or the laser is on its way out.
2064 [10:58:48] <Trap-Chan> ahah. so i had already downloaded libdvd-pkg not because it was a dependant but apparently because apt-get knows that it's better than the other and selected it instead for me. (apt-get's words not mine)
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2067 [10:59:05] <cheapie> Or, possibly, with the drive being USB, insufficient power.
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2069 [11:00:03] <a0z> cheapie: i've try several disks, also there are two usb cables both plugged into USB3 sockets
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2071 [11:00:17] <cheapie> Probably a failing drive, then.
2072 [11:00:35] <cheapie> Laser diodes do tend to go out sometimes.
2073 [11:00:46] <Trap-Chan> weird. "configuring libdvd-pkg" at the top but talks about libdvdcss2 in the middle. :P
2074 [11:00:56] <cheapie> One thing to check, though - it does "do something" for a bit and not just instantly give the error, right?
2075 [11:00:58] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, it downloads it
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2077 [11:01:07] <a0z> cheapie: it's brand new, i have used it successfully before upgrading to sid (i had wheezy before, when i first used the drive)
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2079 [11:01:36] <cruncher> a0z, probably an incompatibility... you dont have any external burner?
2080 [11:01:41] <a0z> cheapie: when i run the command, it spins up the CD disk then fails with a second or two
2081 [11:01:54] <a0z> *within
2082 [11:01:56] <cheapie> OK, /that/ might be some software issue then.
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2085 [11:02:41] <Trap-Chan> why not 'burn' the iso to a thumbdrive?
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2088 [11:03:13] <a0z> Trap-Chan: good idea, but doesn't the iso have to be usb-compatible or something?
2089 [11:03:19] <Trap-Chan> nah
2090 [11:03:21] <cheapie> Trap-Chan: I don't think Windows ISOs support that.
2091 [11:03:29] <Trap-Chan> i've had every version of windows installer disk on thumb drive
2092 [11:03:41] <cheapie> That said, there's probably some tool to make them compatible.
2093 [11:03:45] <cruncher> he doesnt want windows iso, but the PE
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2096 [11:04:00] <cruncher> and i doubt the creation tool allows a usb to be selected
2097 [11:04:02] <a0z> cruncher: yes, i need live environment
2098 [11:04:09] <Trap-Chan> google "how to install windows 7 from thumb drive" and you find a very good guide that works for all versions of windows installer in my experience.
2099 [11:04:16] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, thats not what he wants
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2101 [11:05:14] <Trap-Chan> the disk he's trying to use is running a cutdown version of windows JUST LIKE the windows install disks do.
2102 [11:05:35] <a0z> wodim output: replaced-url
2103 [11:05:37] <cruncher> a0z, another way: do you have an external hd? you could install i.e. win7 on it, then update the bios
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2107 [11:05:59] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, thats the point, he doesnt "use" it, he wants to burn it
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2109 [11:06:16] <a0z> cruncher: i do have a usb/hdd as well as various thumb drives, i could try installing win7 on to the hhd i guess
2110 [11:06:24] <cruncher> hirens boot cd doesnt allow a usb stick to be selected to create the Pe
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2113 [11:06:34] <cruncher> a0z, yeah, i think thats the easiest way
2114 [11:07:00] <cruncher> a0z, also, you can use it again for same or similar purposes
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2118 [11:07:53] <cruncher> a0z, just make sure the debian HD is disabled in bios, or disconnect it if possible, or your mbr will be overwritten with some M$ code
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2120 [11:08:24] <Trap-Chan> yeah ms just doesn't like to play nice with other OSes.
2121 [11:08:25] <a0z> cruncher: righto
2122 [11:08:37] <a0z> thanks everyone, you've given me a few more things to try
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2124 [11:08:59] <cruncher> a0z, if it shouldnt work for some reason, i can give you more ways to keep you busy ;-)
2125 [11:09:21] <a0z> thanks cruncher :-)
2126 [11:09:33] <cruncher> but i think this is the best way.. since the exe cant be run on DOs
2127 [11:09:43] <Trap-Chan> ok maybe i'm just too much of a newb. but this is saying that i'm supposed to compile libdvdcss2 AFTER apt-geting libdvd-pkg. doesn't apt-get do the compiling for you?
2128 [11:10:25] <bazhang> you need to just run apt once more, everything else is built for you once that happens
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2132 [11:10:44] <bazhang> apt install vrms , for example
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2134 [11:11:32] <Trap-Chan> k, ran it again and it says it did nothing.
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2154 [11:19:51] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, you didnt read the output properly
2155 [11:20:24] <cruncher> and launching apt "again" wouldnt help
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2158 [11:20:45] <h4s3> ubuntu-de
2159 [11:20:48] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, there should have been a message telling you what to run *manually* after installation of libdvd-pkg
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2161 [11:21:10] <bazhang> h4s3, /join #
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2165 [11:21:26] <h4s3> hello
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2167 [11:21:33] <h4s3> my name is h4s3
2168 [11:22:09] <cruncher> h4s3, if you think you are in #ubuntu-de, why you write in english? ;-)
2169 [11:22:18] <well_laid_lawn> h4s3: try /j #ubuntu-de
2170 [11:22:25] <cruncher> h4s3, the full command you probably wanted was /join #ubuntu-de
2171 [11:22:55] <h4s3> nur so
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2176 [11:23:18] <h4s3> ubuntu rulez
2177 [11:23:35] <well_laid_lawn> trollolloll
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2179 [11:23:42] <h4s3> my ryzen is bad under debian linux
2180 [11:23:42] <Trap-Chan> huh, didn't see that text cruncher. i'll try again
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2182 [11:24:03] <h4s3> and now i try ubuntu
2183 [11:24:04] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, in case you cant find it, sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
2184 [11:24:59] <h4s3> Has the live dvd from strech the bug by installing the os
2185 [11:25:25] <well_laid_lawn> trollolloll
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2188 [11:26:22] <Trap-Chan> k, ran that and it said it is not installed. >.<
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2190 [11:26:38] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, then you know what to do
2191 [11:26:45] <KjetilK> If I have a SSD and HDD in a KVM RAID, will I be able to take advantage of the bootup performance of the SSD?
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2193 [11:28:54] <Trap-Chan> cruncher, nop. not a clue. sorry i'm such a twit.
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2195 [11:29:05] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, lol... install it :D
2196 [11:29:30] <Trap-Chan> as in run the install argument again? that didn't do anything again.
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2198 [11:29:36] <cruncher> apt-get install libdvd-pkg
2199 [11:29:54] <cruncher> then dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg
2200 [11:29:56] <BVale> hi, is it possible that there is no official install image for ppc32 systems anymore ?
2201 [11:30:00] <cruncher> (both with sudo)
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2204 [11:30:44] <Trap-Chan> doing that results in no change.
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2206 [11:30:55] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, what you mean "no change"
2207 [11:31:23] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, maybe you should show the in&output from each command in as paste
2208 [11:31:29] <cruncher> *in a paste
2209 [11:31:30] <Trap-Chan> the install tells me that 0 were changed installed upgraded or removed and the reconfig tells me it still isn't installed.
2210 [11:31:54] <h4s3> rm * -rf /
2211 [11:32:11] <well_laid_lawn> repo issue then
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2213 [11:32:46] <cruncher> no, if the repo wouldnt work, that would be later, after selecting "downlaod source"
2214 [11:33:10] <Pymous> Hello there ! I have an issue with my libssh2 it seems, when I try to curl something in https, I get this error : curl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: undefined symbol: libssh2_scp_recv2
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2216 [11:33:16] <ws2k3> i just did a fresh install of debian 9 and now im getting ifconfig command not found. what can this be?
2217 [11:33:34] <cruncher> ws2k3, ifconfig is deprecated, use ip
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2219 [11:34:28] <Trap-Chan> paste.debian.net/982655/
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2227 [11:37:44] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, well, now i believe you
2228 [11:37:48] <forcerecon> any chance we can get the nvidia driver updated to 384.69
2229 [11:37:59] <Trap-Chan> hrm?
2230 [11:38:06] <well_laid_lawn> check in /tmp for a locck file
2231 [11:38:14] <well_laid_lawn> check in /tmp for a lock file
2232 [11:38:38] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to do so other than using thunar?
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2234 [11:38:57] <well_laid_lawn> ls
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2236 [11:39:11] <well_laid_lawn> el ess
2237 [11:39:38] <Trap-Chan> k did ls /tmp/ and there is no lock file in it.
2238 [11:40:04] <well_laid_lawn> try ls -a
2239 [11:40:22] <Trap-Chan> .x0-lock
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2241 [11:40:32] <well_laid_lawn> not apt
2242 [11:40:42] <well_laid_lawn> ok
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2246 [11:41:05] <well_laid_lawn> something has the apt database loccked
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2248 [11:41:27] <Trap-Chan> can you ls for a specific file like dir in dos? somethign like ls -a /tmp/ *lock*?
2249 [11:41:45] <well_laid_lawn> line 43 in our paste
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2252 [11:43:01] <Trap-Chan> at line 50 i ran the argument it tells me to
2253 [11:43:16] <Trap-Chan> 45* sorry
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2259 [11:45:44] <cruncher> no, its nothing locked
2260 [11:45:58] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, can you paste the /etc/apt/sources.list file?
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2263 [11:47:29] <cruncher> there is obviously some problem on your system, the dpkg-reconfigure should work without problems
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2266 [11:48:00] <Trap-Chan> paste.debian.net/982658
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2285 [11:51:57] <Trap-Chan> cruncher, any chance you are seeing what i may have done wrong?
2286 [11:52:16] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, did you just install debian?
2287 [11:52:21] <Trap-Chan> yep
2288 [11:52:46] <Trap-Chan> it's been a surprisingly buggy start.
2289 [11:53:13] <h4s3> eine wanze startet
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2296 [11:57:21] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/libdvd-pkg.list
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2298 [11:58:05] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, or better .../libdvd-pkg* to see if all is there
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2303 [11:59:43] <Trap-Chan> 6 files
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2305 [12:00:03] <Trap-Chan> config, list, md5sums, postinst templates
2306 [12:00:16] <Trap-Chan> and postrm oops
2307 [12:00:27] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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2314 [12:02:39] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, try apt-get install --reinstall libdvd-pkg
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2319 [12:05:19] <Trap-Chan> no change. though it didn't say the thing about the lock this time.
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2321 [12:05:33] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, yeah, try now dpkg-reconfigure
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2324 [12:05:42] <Trap-Chan> that's how i know there is no change
2325 [12:05:45] <Trap-Chan> it says still not installed
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2328 [12:07:52] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, when you did install the package, did you get a "window" (where you had to press Ok) telling you what you do?
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2331 [12:08:45] <Trap-Chan> i got a cli "window" saying that if i say yes libdvdcss2 will support auto update or something like that.
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2343 [12:11:12] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, what say dpkg -l libdvd-pkg
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2346 [12:11:31] <cruncher> the first 1 letters in fron of package name
2347 [12:11:35] <cruncher> *2 letters
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2350 [12:13:22] <Trap-Chan> ii
2351 [12:13:48] <cruncher> its really strange it says the package is not installed
2352 [12:13:51] <Trap-Chan> paste.debian.net/982664/ << fwiw.
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2356 [12:15:45] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, to be sure, dpkg-query -s libdvd-pkg, and check the "Status:" line
2357 [12:16:16] <cruncher> it should say "install ok installed"
2358 [12:16:30] <Trap-Chan> installed ok installed
2359 [12:16:34] <cruncher> then, to test, do dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
2360 [12:16:41] <cruncher> if it shows you something, just press cancel
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2362 [12:17:34] <Trap-Chan> ...command not found?
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2364 [12:17:51] <Trap-Chan> haven't we been using that command though?
2365 [12:17:54] <cruncher> check spelling
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2370 [12:18:50] <Trap-Chan> ahh it's because i forgot to sudo it.
2371 [12:19:06] <bazhang> hahaha
2372 [12:19:12] <cruncher> yeah
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2374 [12:19:16] <bazhang> that'll do it
2375 [12:19:24] <cruncher> or i could have mentioned it, but i dont every time...
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2378 [12:20:11] <Trap-Chan> ok so one thing says it's installed and the other says no?
2379 [12:20:24] <cruncher> so it worked? did you press cancel?
2380 [12:20:26] <Trap-Chan> anyway doing the console-setup brought up a window yeah.
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2382 [12:20:42] <cruncher> yeah, thats the strange thing.. all "seems" to work, but not on the libdvd-pkg
2383 [12:20:47] <cruncher> but it does here when i tested it
2384 [12:21:10] <Trap-Chan> the query sees the package but nothing else. so weird.
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2387 [12:22:53] <Trap-Chan> if we figure this out will this lib make cody see dvds too or will this only effect vlc and we'll need another package for kodi?
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2395 [12:26:20] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, dpkg -P libdvd-pkg
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2397 [12:26:37] <Trap-Chan> this one is sudo yeah?
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2399 [12:26:47] <cruncher> yeah
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2401 [12:27:21] <cruncher> then, cd /var/cache/apt/archives, then dpkg -i libdvd-pkg and press TAB
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2403 [12:27:37] <Trap-Chan> dependancy problems
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2405 [12:28:21] <cruncher> paste
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2408 [12:28:55] <Trap-Chan> well something odd. on a whim i decided to try opening vlc with my dvd again. and this time it worked just dandy.
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2410 [12:29:38] <Trap-Chan> should i still paste?
2411 [12:29:43] <cruncher> yes
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2413 [12:31:39] <Trap-Chan> paste.debian.net/982668
2414 [12:31:55] <cruncher> lol
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2417 [12:32:08] <cruncher> you already installed libdvdcss2
2418 [12:32:44] <Trap-Chan> ... ... ...i just wasted a ton of your time, i am so bloody sorry. somehow when doing the reconfig i typed lb not lib and kept making that same typo i'm guessing.
2419 [12:32:48] <cruncher> Trap-Chan, whats output of dpkg -l libdvdcss2
2420 [12:32:58] <cruncher> what version does it show
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2422 [12:33:49] <Trap-Chan> 1.4.0-1-loca
2423 [12:33:58] <cruncher> so you already doenloaded & installed it
2424 [12:34:03] <cruncher> resp, compiled
2425 [12:34:11] <cruncher> how could you not note that?
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2427 [12:34:20] <cruncher> well, anyway
2428 [12:34:34] <cruncher> issue "solved"
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2432 [12:35:57] <Trap-Chan> now just to figure out loading in chromium-widevine so i can netflix on this box. :P
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2436 [12:38:02] <Trap-Chan> looks like it depends on a version of chromium that isn't available on the repo?
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2438 [12:38:29] <cruncher> Pymous, #859187
2439 [12:38:30] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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2452 [12:47:58] <ChrisH> I just replaced a failed Disk in an mdadm Raid via (fdisk, mdadm --add, grub-install, update-grub); Did I missed something?
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2462 [12:52:31] <Trap-Chan> have any of you gotten netflix on debian?
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2464 [12:53:07] <unixbassen> Trap-Chan: I belive you can watch netflix through firefox
2465 [12:53:20] <bazhang> Trap-Chan, with firefox?
2466 [12:53:33] <Trap-Chan> it takes me to a page saying that with the right browser i can watch it.
2467 [12:53:36] <unixbassen> replaced-url
2468 [12:53:52] <unixbassen> Trap-Chan: this might help ^
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2473 [12:56:15] <Trap-Chan> hrm...seems i need a newer version of firefox than the debian repo supports?
2474 [12:56:28] <bazhang> ,v firefox
2475 [12:56:29] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 55.0.2-1
2476 [12:56:36] <bazhang> which one
2477 [12:56:49] <funabashi> hi guys can anyone be nice and tell me about when i do command "w" i see load, load average: 0.03, 0.04, 0.16 what does this mean? CPU and memory or what?
2478 [12:56:53] <Trap-Chan> 49 i have 45 and apt-get says it's up to date.
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2480 [12:57:57] <Trap-Chan> ohh gotta add backports.
2481 [12:58:07] <cruncher> funabashi, man w
2482 [12:58:09] <Trap-Chan> but wait that says jessie not stretch. so i'm screwed?
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2484 [12:58:29] <cruncher> under Description, first section
2485 [13:00:18] <funabashi> cruncher: ok lets say i had high load on this 1 hour ago, how can i further troubleshoot this ?
2486 [13:00:28] <funabashi> other than var/log/messages
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2490 [13:02:45] <cruncher> funabashi, i dont think thats possible, since you dont have anything configured that records continuous cpu usage
2491 [13:03:37] <cruncher> if i understood you corretly that you want to find out which process was using lets say 100% 1h ago
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2495 [13:04:52] <Trap-Chan> wow i durped hard again. didn't reset firefox-esr when i updated it so it was still running the old version. so used to updates forcing me to rebootthe app.
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2501 [13:07:07] <bezaban> funabashi: for future use you can install sysstat
2502 [13:07:34] <cruncher> funabashi, for future, install some monitoring software, or check out tool sar (package sysstat)
2503 [13:07:54] <Pymous> Thanks you cruncher for the bug report
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2505 [13:08:36] <Pymous> Sadly, I don't understand how to fix it cruncher
2506 [13:08:39] <bezaban> actually, not sure if that would give you process/pid info
2507 [13:09:05] <cruncher> Pymous, did you install/change something related to openssl?
2508 [13:09:26] <Pymous> Before upgrading to stretch, I installed the stretch version of openssl on my jessie
2509 [13:09:58] <Pymous> Do I need to reinstall openssl ?
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2517 [13:11:55] <Pymous> apt-get install --reinstall openssl doesn't fix the issue
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2523 [13:16:28] <cruncher> Pymous, if you can, whats the exact curl command you use?
2524 [13:16:38] <Pymous> curl replaced-url
2525 [13:16:40] <Pymous> Nothing more
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2535 [13:21:17] <cruncher> Pymous, i guess you have libssl1.0.2 installed? also try replaced-url
2536 [13:22:33] <Pymous> cruncher : 1.1.0f-3
2537 [13:22:46] <Pymous> I tried googling the issue, but it's not clear
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2539 [13:23:28] <cruncher> Pymous, thats the version for libssl1.1, not libssl1.0.2
2540 [13:23:45] <Pymous> It's the openssl version, sorry
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2543 [13:25:18] <Pymous> cruncher : Is that what you wan't to now ? libssl1.0-dev_1.0.2
2544 [13:25:41] <cruncher> no, name of package libssl1.0.2
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2546 [13:26:53] <Pymous> Installed: 1.0.2l-2
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2548 [13:27:04] <cruncher> ok
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2550 [13:27:15] <cruncher> and curl version?
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2555 [13:27:35] <Pymous> Installed: 7.52.1-5
2556 [13:27:39] <Pymous> For cURL
2557 [13:27:39] <FinalX> Pymous: apt-cache policy openssl
2558 [13:27:51] <Pymous> openSSL : Installed: 1.1.0f-3
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2560 [13:28:40] <FinalX> but check below it, is the one you have installed from the stretch repo? (the installed one is denoted with *** in front)
2561 [13:28:53] <FinalX> if so, then you already have the stretch repo package
2562 [13:29:11] <Pymous> FinalX : The full output of the policy
2563 [13:29:11] <Pymous> replaced-url
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2566 [13:29:40] <FinalX> ah, you use "stable" instead of "stretch", but stable is currently stretch, so should be fine
2567 [13:29:53] <cruncher> Pymous, make sure you have libssh2-1 instaleld, since the function is there
2568 [13:30:15] <cruncher> v 1.7.0-1
2569 [13:30:35] <Pymous> cruncher : libssh2-1 is already the newest version (1.7.0-1).
2570 [13:30:55] <cruncher> Pymous, try reinstalling it
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2572 [13:30:56] <Pymous> Thanks for helping by the way
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2574 [13:31:22] <Pymous> cruncher : apt-get install --reinstall libssh2-1 : done
2575 [13:31:35] <Pymous> Do I need to restart something ? Or I just try to curl ?
2576 [13:31:58] <cruncher> Pymous, and also check which libcurl3 lib you have... libcurl3-gnutls?
2577 [13:32:00] <cruncher> yes
2578 [13:32:07] <cruncher> just try
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2580 [13:32:15] <Pymous> Same error
2581 [13:32:22] <Pymous> libcurl3-gnutls is already the newest version (7.52.1-5).
2582 [13:33:31] <cruncher> Pymous, what say ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl
2583 [13:33:39] <cruncher> *says
2584 [13:34:01] <Pymous> replaced-url
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2588 [13:36:06] <\renaud> hello
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2590 [13:36:20] <\renaud> is there a way to restrict a network interface to either 2.4ghz or 5ghz?
2591 [13:36:26] <cruncher> Pymous, this isnt a newly installed system,right?
2592 [13:36:33] <Trap-Chan> does debian have something akin to the autostart folder in windows?
2593 [13:36:48] <Pymous> cruncher : Nop, it's a rather "old" +2 years, installed on jessie, updated to stretch yesterday
2594 [13:37:02] <Pymous> Trap-Chan : /etc/init.d
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2596 [13:37:29] <cruncher> try more like ~/.config/autostart
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2598 [13:37:47] <Pymous> or update-rc.d
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2600 [13:37:55] <Pymous> Plenty of options, depending on what you're trying to do :)
2601 [13:38:01] <cruncher> Pymous, rename the file "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0" to ***.old, and try again
2602 [13:38:13] <cruncher> yes, but those need root to do it ;-)
2603 [13:38:22] <cruncher> and are system wide
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2608 [13:38:46] <Pymous> cruncher : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2609 [13:38:57] <cruncher> Pymous, seems you have some "survivors" from oldstable, and my guess is they interfere with the newer version
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2611 [13:39:17] <Pymous> probably, but how can I clean it up ?
2612 [13:39:42] <Pymous> and you're right, all my proposition does require root, yours is more suitable for a user
2613 [13:39:54] <cruncher> Pymous, run ldconfig after renaming the file
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2618 [13:40:26] <Pymous> cruncher : same error (cannot open shared object file)
2619 [13:41:12] <Trap-Chan> so if i just want steam to boot in BP when the computer is turned on what would be the best method? i'm thinking i'll have this HTPC up and running if i set netflix as home in firefox, add firefox and kodi to the steam apps and set steam to autostart.
2620 [13:41:17] <cruncher> Pymous, well, instead of reinstalling/dpkg-reconfiguring all related packages, you could try a reboot
2621 [13:41:28] <cruncher> Pymous, are all your püackages uptodate?
2622 [13:41:38] <cruncher> i just hope nothign fancy needs the old version
2623 [13:41:47] <Pymous> It's kinda a production server, if I can avoid it, it would be nice (I still can, if really needed)
2624 [13:41:56] <FinalX> apt list --installed | grep -v '/stable,'
2625 [13:41:56] <cruncher> Pymous, then dont
2626 [13:41:59] <Pymous> And I rebooted this night once already after the dist upgrade
2627 [13:42:08] <Pymous> All my packages are uptodate
2628 [13:42:28] <cruncher> Pymous, just reinstall libcurl3
2629 [13:42:39] <Pymous> FinalX : replaced-url
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2631 [13:42:47] <FinalX> Pymous: with apt list --installed, you can get a list of all your installed packages, packages that belong to your current stable, will be <packagename>/stable at the start of each line. anything else is foreign.
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2634 [13:43:12] <Pymous> cruncher : replaced-url
2635 [13:43:35] <FinalX> ....seems like a hell of a lot of external/foreign packages that are not coming from your stable source. I don't know what "/now" is though.
2636 [13:44:16] <FinalX> I also see in the list, amongst other things: libssl1.0.0/now 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6 amd64 [installed,local]
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2638 [13:44:25] <FinalX> that's not stretch's own
2639 [13:44:26] <Pymous> FinalX : apt list --installed => replaced-url
2640 [13:44:31] <cruncher> oh, you have a package installed named libssl1.0.0
2641 [13:44:40] <Pymous> Do I remove it ?
2642 [13:44:41] <cruncher> may we see your sources.list?
2643 [13:44:44] <Pymous> Ofc
2644 [13:45:07] <Pymous> replaced-url
2645 [13:45:09] <FinalX> You have 3 installed libssl packages.
2646 [13:45:14] <Pymous> Everything else (older version) is commented
2647 [13:45:18] <FinalX> That's bound to go wrong.
2648 [13:45:26] <Pymous> I'd gladly kick them out
2649 [13:45:30] <FinalX> You should probably apt-get remove libssl1.0.0/now
2650 [13:45:34] <cruncher> FinalX, yep, thas the problem he experiences right now
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2652 [13:45:52] <cruncher> yes, remove 1.0.0, then you'll see if somethign depends on it
2653 [13:45:54] <FinalX> the rest is from "stable", so that's correct
2654 [13:45:55] <Pymous> apt purge libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.0 libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1 ?
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2656 [13:46:01] <Pymous> Or just the 1.0.0 ?
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2659 [13:46:06] <cruncher> leave the 1.0.2
2660 [13:46:08] <FinalX> no, just the libssl1.0.0, but specifically libssl1.0.0/now
2661 [13:46:25] <cruncher> important is to remove the 1.0.0
2662 [13:46:34] <cruncher> thats the culprit
2663 [13:46:45] <Pymous> And I reinstall it after ?
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2665 [13:46:56] <cruncher> no
2666 [13:47:01] <FinalX> as you can see, on the same line it ends with "local", which means it is not from a repository you have currently configured
2667 [13:47:17] <Pymous> cruncher : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2668 [13:47:20] <Pymous> ldconf ?
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2670 [13:47:31] <cruncher> did you remove 1.0.0?
2671 [13:47:36] <Pymous> Yes
2672 [13:47:48] <cruncher> no, ldconfig should have been run postinst
2673 [13:47:54] <Pymous> (and it removed my Percona, but meh, it can hold a minute)
2674 [13:47:54] <FinalX> Pymous: your curl version comes from both stable and "now", try reinstalling it after removing that libssl
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2677 [13:48:11] <FinalX> ah, I guess some of your other packages weren't ready to go to stretch yet, then :|
2678 [13:48:49] <Pymous> They can wait, it's just a database, a bit of downtime won't bother if it's "short"
2679 [13:49:15] <Pymous> So I removed libssl1.0 and reinstalled curl
2680 [13:49:17] <Pymous> curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2681 [13:49:19] <Pymous> Stil this error
2682 [13:49:20] <FinalX> well, "just", I see mysqlclient installed, and stretch doesn't have mysql
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2684 [13:49:26] <FinalX> odd. hm.
2685 [13:49:27] <cruncher> like finalx says...
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2688 [13:49:53] <FinalX> Pymous: try reinstalling the other libssl's, it might've shared paths before and messed things up, same happens with debian nginx packages and those of nginx.org
2689 [13:50:16] <FinalX> and removing the 1.0.0 will not have restored the other package's links
2690 [13:50:17] <Pymous> It seems that libcurl still expect libssl1.0.0 : replaced-url
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2692 [13:50:25] <ws2k3> systemd show me that i have loaded /system.slice/mysql.service but where can i find this file?
2693 [13:50:37] <Pymous> FinalX : So I purge every libssl I have on the list ?
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2695 [13:50:50] <abrotman> ws2k3: that's just mysql ..
2696 [13:50:52] <cruncher> Pymous, no, many packages depend on them, and you would have to remove them all if you do
2697 [13:50:54] <FinalX> no, just forcibly reinstall over it
2698 [13:50:59] <cruncher> ^
2699 [13:51:17] <Pymous> Here is my installed package right now : replaced-url
2700 [13:51:47] <cruncher> Pymous, and do "ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl" again
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2703 [13:52:03] <Pymous> FinalX : apt-get install libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1 then ?
2704 [13:52:22] <Pymous> cruncher : replaced-url
2705 [13:52:55] <FinalX> curl depends on libssl1.0.2 AND libssl1.1; libssl1.0.2 should provide the 1.0.0. links afaik
2706 [13:53:10] <cruncher> Pymous, lsof | grep libssl
2707 [13:53:27] <FinalX> i just started a stretch container, gonna go check
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2710 [13:54:11] <FinalX> libssl.so.1.0.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 (0x00007f87c56f2000)
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2714 [13:54:51] <FinalX> that's what stretch's own curl seems to use out of the box. and that is provided by libssl1.0.2
2715 [13:54:59] <cruncher> Pymous, still, even if curl would work, that percona wouldnt since it depends on 1.0.0
2716 [13:55:14] <Pymous> cruncher : The lsof you asked : replaced-url
2717 [13:55:25] <Pymous> cruncher : I will bother with Percona later, don't worry
2718 [13:55:36] <FinalX> cruncher: well, in jessie libssl1.0.0 was also provided by higher
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2726 [13:58:30] <cruncher> probably it wasnt removed because a installed package (percona) depended on it
2727 [13:59:26] <Pymous> cruncher : replaced-url
2728 [13:59:33] <Pymous> I have this weird output trying to reinstall
2729 [13:59:38] <Pymous> to purge
2730 [13:59:39] <Pymous> sorry
2731 [13:59:44] <FinalX> yeah, that percona thing makes most sense. hm.
2732 [13:59:54] <Pymous> FinalX : I removed the percona package
2733 [14:00:06] <FinalX> Pymous: noooo, don't purge. forcibly reinstall them, a lot will depend on them. half the system will.
2734 [14:00:31] <FinalX> apt install --reinstall libssl1.0-dev libssl1.0.2 libssl1.1
2735 [14:00:43] <Pymous> replaced-url
2736 [14:00:50] <cruncher> Pymous, remove only 1.0.0, reinstall (overwrite) the others
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2738 [14:00:59] <FinalX> it'll fetch them again, unpack them again (and thus overwriting existing files) and run the processing scripts again
2739 [14:01:20] <cruncher> Pymous, just curious... lsof | grep libcurl
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2741 [14:01:52] <FinalX> what if you do the same for curl? apt install --reinstall curl ?
2742 [14:01:58] <Pymous> removed 1.0.0-dev, reinstalled 1.0.2 and 1.1, still the cannot open error
2743 [14:02:06] <Pymous> the lsof doesn't return anything cruncher
2744 [14:02:09] <FinalX> what the heck :)
2745 [14:02:17] <cruncher> apt-get install --reinstall curl libcurl3 libcurl3-gnutls
2746 [14:02:26] <Pymous> FinalX : no change when reinstalling curl
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2749 [14:02:41] <Pymous> cruncher : Stil the error :(
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2757 [14:04:06] <Pymous> cruncher : ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl still return libssl.so.1.0.0 => not found
2758 [14:04:13] <Pymous> It's like it's keep on excpecting it
2759 [14:04:23] <FinalX> it does, but why o.O
2760 [14:04:30] <Pymous> Good question
2761 [14:04:40] <FinalX> dpkg -S /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4
2762 [14:04:40] <dpkg> You Fool! /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 is installed!
2763 [14:04:45] <FinalX> hush, dpkg
2764 [14:04:46] <Pymous> I don't have a good answer sadly :(
2765 [14:04:57] <Pymous> FinalX : libcurl3:amd64: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4
2766 [14:05:13] <FinalX> Pymous: with that you can find out which package that file came from. then you can apt-cache policy it, or maybe reinstall it, as well
2767 [14:05:30] <FinalX> as per cruncher's earlier suggestion.. not sure you actually did that too already
2768 [14:05:43] <Pymous> So apt-get install --reinstall libcurl3:amd64 ?
2769 [14:05:50] <FinalX> yes
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2771 [14:06:13] <FinalX> it _could_ be that libcurl is in use by other things, hence cruncher's lsof earlier. in that case it might need restarting of other services that depend on it
2772 [14:06:13] <Pymous> Same error, libcurl still expecting 1.0.0
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2775 [14:06:27] <Pymous> lsof | grep libcurl ?
2776 [14:06:28] <Pymous> This lsof ?
2777 [14:06:32] <cruncher> yeah, thats why i bet a reboot will do wonders
2778 [14:06:35] <FinalX> yeah. i'm betting it's your PHP.
2779 [14:06:45] <Pymous> the lsof doesn't return anything
2780 [14:06:47] <FinalX> PHP also uses curl.
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2782 [14:07:16] <FinalX> eh, actually. not so sure since you don't have its module installed. but you also seem to have leftover PHP5 images, too.
2783 [14:07:23] <FinalX> packages*
2784 [14:07:29] <Pymous> I stoped my fpm
2785 [14:07:39] <Pymous> ldd still expect 1.0.0
2786 [14:08:07] <FinalX> Pymous: apt-cache rdepends libcurl3
2787 [14:08:14] <FinalX> then you get a list of packages that depend on that package
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2790 [14:08:54] <FinalX> oh, you might want to use --installed as parameter to see INSTALLED packages that depend on it
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2792 [14:08:56] <Pymous> FinalX : Quite a lot : replaced-url
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2794 [14:09:13] <FinalX> Pymous: sorry, I should've mentioned that --installed first. been a while for me :)
2795 [14:09:19] <Pymous> replaced-url
2796 [14:09:21] <Pymous> Much shorter :D
2797 [14:09:31] <bollo> how can I stop gnome from muting sound when screen is turned off?
2798 [14:09:47] <FinalX> eh, ok. so only curl itself. maybe just apt-get remove --purge curl libcurl3; apt-get install curl # ?
2799 [14:09:49] <Vizva> gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr'
2800 [14:09:59] <Vizva> in debian 9
2801 [14:10:00] * FinalX starts to run out of ideas
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2804 [14:10:20] <Pymous> FinalX : Done, still the error :(
2805 [14:10:22] <Vizva> i did reinstall
2806 [14:11:07] <Pymous> FinalX : Which package do I need to remove/reinstall and reboot then ?
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2808 [14:11:26] <cruncher> Pymous, ldconfig -p | grep libssl
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2810 [14:11:47] <Pymous> cruncher : replaced-url
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2817 [14:12:19] <cruncher> Pymous, so its not anymore in the cahe. good. Now we have to find out why curl still uses the (removed) 1.0.0
2818 [14:12:25] <cruncher> s/cahe/cache
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2820 [14:12:40] <FinalX> Pymous: this is the output on a fresh stretch system replaced-url
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2822 [14:12:50] <cruncher> Pymous, ps aux | grep curl
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2829 [14:12:57] <hellyeah> how to add support for "386"
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2831 [14:13:12] <gpunk> i386 ?
2832 [14:13:15] <Pymous> cruncher : The only line : root 35978 0.0 0.0 12784 1024 pts/1 S+ 14:13 0:00 grep curl
2833 [14:13:24] <FinalX> cruncher / Pymous: why is there a libssl3.so and no libssl.so ?
2834 [14:13:25] <Pymous> FinalX : I don't doubt it, sadly, this isn't a fresh one :(
2835 [14:13:26] <cruncher> Pymous, good, no hung process
2836 [14:13:28] <Pymous> It's my old friend
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2839 [14:13:48] <cruncher> Pymous, lsof | grep curl
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2842 [14:13:55] <FinalX> Pymous: I pasted it so you can find discrepancies between yours and a fresh one, to figure out what you have that shouldn't be there, and what you don't have that should.
2843 [14:13:56] <cruncher> will be quite a lot probably.. but lets see
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2849 [14:14:06] <Pymous> cruncher : no line
2850 [14:14:15] <FinalX> you are missing: libssl.so (libc6,x86-64) => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so
2851 [14:14:25] <FinalX> you have that shouldn't be there: libssl3.so (libc6,x86-64) => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl3.so
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2853 [14:14:39] <FinalX> so there's still something weird going on with the ssl libs.
2854 [14:14:44] <Pymous> I have no idea where libssl3 is coming from
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2862 [14:15:06] <hellyeah> gpunk: i386 yea
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2864 [14:15:13] <gpunk> ti what ?
2865 [14:15:16] <gpunk> to*
2866 [14:15:33] <cruncher> FinalX, on my fresh stretch i dont have libssl.so either
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2868 [14:15:49] <FinalX> cruncher: i installed curl and openssl
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2870 [14:16:12] <cruncher> hellyeah, dpkg --add-architecture i386
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2872 [14:16:23] <ioria> cruncher, it's in libssl-dev i guess
2873 [14:16:44] <hellyeah> thanmkls
2874 [14:16:46] <hellyeah> thanks
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2876 [14:16:48] <cruncher> ioria, yeah,. just saying... its not on a "fresh" stretch
2877 [14:16:56] <ioria> yep
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2880 [14:17:05] <cruncher> (without having installed it manually)
2881 [14:17:29] <cruncher> meaning, dont worry about libssl.so
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2883 [14:17:32] <Pymous> FinalX : How can I find which package those .so are coming from ?
2884 [14:17:34] <cruncher> Pymous, ^
2885 [14:17:46] <Pymous> I don't worry about any files, I like all the files
2886 [14:17:55] <cruncher> the problem, i instaleld 1.0.0 to get the same error, but i cant reproduce :D
2887 [14:17:57] <Pymous> But I worry about not having a working curl :D
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2889 [14:18:08] <Pymous> cruncher : I don't have 1.0.0 installed anymore
2890 [14:18:12] <cruncher> i know
2891 [14:18:32] <cruncher> Pymous, are you on a terminal? or on tty?
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2893 [14:18:49] <Pymous> terminal
2894 [14:19:03] <cruncher> close it, and open new one
2895 [14:19:20] <Pymous> done, then ?
2896 [14:19:23] <cruncher> try again
2897 [14:19:31] <forcerecon> can anyone help me solve this non issue, just to clean up boot - replaced-url
2898 [14:19:35] <Pymous> Same issue
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2902 [14:21:00] <cruncher> forcerecon, "issue"? ... just enter the password :D
2903 [14:21:28] <forcerecon> yeah I am aware of the password, but what about the lines before the request
2904 [14:21:33] <gpunk> unless some hacker encrypted your drivee
2905 [14:21:37] <cruncher> forcerecon, they are normal
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2907 [14:21:48] <cruncher> first it tries to oen it normally, hence the messages
2908 [14:21:55] <cruncher> s/oen/open
2909 [14:22:14] <forcerecon> ahh... I understand now..
2910 [14:22:18] <forcerecon> okeedo
2911 [14:22:23] <forcerecon> thanks
2912 [14:22:26] <cruncher> np
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2917 [14:24:33] <hellyeah> Archive: android-studio-ide-162.4069837-linux.zip caution: filename not matched: ../../../opt/
2918 [14:24:43] <hellyeah> do you know the meaning of that error?
2919 [14:24:49] <Pymous> cruncher / FinalX : Is that normal ? replaced-url
2920 [14:25:10] <Vizva> someone knows anything about my missing dirmngr in gnupg?
2921 [14:25:17] <ioria> Pymous, btw, libssl3 should be from libnss3
2922 [14:25:46] <Pymous> Like I said ioria, sadly, I don't know where libssl3 even come from :(
2923 [14:25:58] <cruncher> Pymous, yes, those 6 files are ok
2924 [14:26:09] <ioria> Pymous, i told you
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2926 [14:26:16] <Pymous> Including a reboot, what can I do now ?
2927 [14:26:29] <Pymous> ioria : Sorry, I didn't saw then
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2930 [14:28:00] <cruncher> Pymous, do you have another user you can "su" to and try curl? want to know if maybe its user related
2931 [14:28:11] <Pymous> Yup
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2933 [14:28:28] <Pymous> bethel@clapity:~$ curl replaced-url
2934 [14:28:28] <Pymous> curl: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2935 [14:28:30] <Pymous> Same issue
2936 [14:28:41] <cruncher> (just coming up with ideas to not to reboot and to get to know the problem better) :D
2937 [14:28:43] <Pymous> (by the way, I still have the ***.so we renamed earlier, if needed)
2938 [14:28:57] <Pymous> If rebooting is the easiest way to fix it, let's go
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2940 [14:29:06] <cruncher> well. a dirty hack/test you can try:
2941 [14:29:08] <Pymous> With PHP and my database down, except the IRC, I don't have much left :D
2942 [14:29:24] <Iridos> you manually deleted/moved the runtime library…
2943 [14:29:32] <Iridos> you should probably at least run ldconfig
2944 [14:29:35] <Pymous> Iridos : As asked, yes
2945 [14:29:38] <Pymous> I did yes
2946 [14:30:06] <cmhobbs> i've got claws-mail and gpg installed. claws-mail used to pop up a prompt asking for my password but now it sasy "inappropriate ioctl for device" unless i decrypt something in a terminal first (which pops up a text prompt for my password). does anyone know what package provides that graphical password prompt?
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2949 [14:30:40] <Iridos> well, try to remove the package with apt-get … maybe move the library back before
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2951 [14:30:57] <Iridos> it should tell you if anything depends on that
2952 [14:31:06] <Iridos> hm, actually
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2961 [14:32:36] <cruncher> Pymous, ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0
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2963 [14:32:39] <Iridos> judd, versions libssl1.0.2
2964 [14:32:41] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- buster: 1.0.2l-2; sid: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2
2965 [14:32:43] <Iridos> judd, versions libssl1.0.0
2966 [14:32:44] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.0 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1
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2968 [14:33:01] <Pymous> cruncher : That's real dirty
2969 [14:33:02] <Iridos> judd, versions libcurl
2970 [14:33:02] <Pymous> I like it
2971 [14:33:03] <judd> No package named 'libcurl' was found in amd64.
2972 [14:33:15] <cruncher> ldconfig afterwards, then try again
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2974 [14:33:31] <Pymous> cruncher : root@clapity:/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu# ldd -r /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 | grep ssl
2975 [14:33:31] <Pymous> libssl.so.1.0.2 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.2 (0x00007f7cf2255000)
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2977 [14:33:32] <Pymous> Sorry
2978 [14:33:49] <cruncher> and curl htt...?
2979 [14:33:50] <Pymous> But yet, curl : curl: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypto.so.1.0.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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2982 [14:34:15] <Pymous> That was clever
2983 [14:34:18] <Iridos> judd, versions libcurl3
2984 [14:34:19] <judd> Package: libcurl3 on amd64 -- wheezy: 7.26.0-1+wheezy13; wheezy-security: 7.26.0-1+wheezy20; jessie: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; jessie-security: 7.38.0-4+deb8u5; stretch: 7.52.1-5; buster: 7.55.0-1; sid: 7.55.0-1
2985 [14:34:31] <Pymous> Oh wait, it's libcrypto.so it's looking for now
2986 [14:35:17] <Pymous> ln -s /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.2 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0
2987 [14:35:18] <Iridos> if nothing vital still depends on libssl1.0.0, you should remove the package anyway
2988 [14:35:21] <Pymous> Let's stay dirty
2989 [14:35:25] <Iridos> and actually apt-get autoremove should do it
2990 [14:35:26] <Pymous> Iridos : It's removed
2991 [14:35:29] <cruncher> Pymous, since there are only 2 *.so files in the package, lets try the same procedure with libcrypto
2992 [14:35:31] <Pymous> It doesn't
2993 [14:35:46] <cruncher> Iridos, the package was removed long ago
2994 [14:35:57] <Iridos> I thought only the .so file was removed
2995 [14:36:10] <Pymous> cruncher : New mission : replaced-url
2996 [14:36:18] <cruncher> Pymous, rename the libcrypto, then ln -s it again like before (but change then names of course)
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2998 [14:36:56] <Pymous> Already done cruncher, new error message
2999 [14:37:00] <cruncher> not backwards compatible
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3002 [14:37:25] <Pymous> So I need libssl1.0, libssl1.0.2 doesn't include it ?
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3004 [14:37:45] <cruncher> no, thats why they have different versions in name
3005 [14:38:32] <cruncher> i would say revert all changes, remove the libssl1.0.0 package, then reboot, and fix percona later (look for newer version that has libssl1.0.2 as dependency)
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3010 [14:39:56] <Iridos> judd, versions libcrypto.so.1.0.2
3011 [14:39:57] <judd> No package named 'libcrypto.so.1.0.2' was found in amd64.
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3013 [14:40:06] <Iridos> judd, versions libcrypto-1.0.2
3014 [14:40:07] <judd> No package named 'libcrypto-1.0.2' was found in amd64.
3015 [14:40:23] <cruncher> Iridos, the file is in the same package
3016 [14:40:26] <Iridos> judd, versions libssl-1.0.2
3017 [14:40:27] <judd> No package named 'libssl-1.0.2' was found in amd64.
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3019 [14:40:37] <Iridos> judd, versions libssl1.0.2
3020 [14:40:38] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- buster: 1.0.2l-2; sid: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2
3021 [14:40:45] <Pymous> cruncher : so I remove the .so with linked
3022 [14:40:49] <Iridos> sorry, bit noisy
3023 [14:40:50] <Pymous> remove 1.0.0 then reboot ?
3024 [14:41:00] <dontknow> sound suddenly was broken (pulseaudio) sound come deep and echoed. where should i look first?
3025 [14:41:18] <Iridos> uh… reboot… why
3026 [14:41:25] <Pymous> Because nothing works ?
3027 [14:41:36] <Pymous> Except if you have another idea
3028 [14:41:36] <Pymous> :3
3029 [14:41:38] <Iridos> well… switched-off computers usually don't work better
3030 [14:41:39] <cruncher> Pymous, the symlinks /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 + libcrpyto.so.1.0.0
3031 [14:41:49] <Iridos> except as a doorstop
3032 [14:42:01] <Pymous> That's not really helpfull isn't it ?
3033 [14:42:08] <Pymous> cruncher : Done
3034 [14:42:12] <Iridos> well
3035 [14:42:44] <Iridos> I was actually trying to think what could have gone wrong
3036 [14:43:02] <cruncher> Pymous, wait, maybe iridos has an idea
3037 [14:43:12] <Iridos> the symlink-stuff makes it harder to come up with something
3038 [14:43:16] <cruncher> basically all was fine, just curl still wanted the old 1.0.0
3039 [14:43:31] <Iridos> if you removed the package… can you show the ldd output again
3040 [14:43:35] <Pymous> Iridos : The symlink is reverted
3041 [14:43:35] <cruncher> Pymous, and you are sure you removed the libssl1.0.0 package?
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3044 [14:43:51] <Pymous> Package 'libssl1.0.0' is not installed, so not removed
3045 [14:43:58] <cruncher> (i mean before, during all the trying)
3046 [14:44:14] <Pymous> The ldd changed : replaced-url
3047 [14:44:22] <Pymous> cruncher : Yes, it was removed
3048 [14:44:54] <Iridos> so why do you still have a libssl.so.1.0.0
3049 [14:45:26] <Pymous> That's the issue, basically
3050 [14:45:31] <Pymous> gnu still counting on the 1.0.0
3051 [14:45:34] <Pymous> Even if it's removed
3052 [14:45:44] <Iridos> no
3053 [14:45:45] <cruncher> Pymous, install libssl1.0.0 now, then purge it again
3054 [14:46:01] <Iridos> you have a file /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0 and you say you don't have the package
3055 [14:46:10] <Pymous> cruncher : replaced-url
3056 [14:46:26] <Pymous> Iridos : Exactly
3057 [14:46:30] <Iridos> all right… the continue doing random shit that just muddies the waters more
3058 [14:46:37] <Iridos> good luck
3059 [14:46:43] <cruncher> Pymous, you should probably still have it under /var/cache/apt/archives/libsll1...xxx, if so, install with dpkg -i
3060 [14:47:05] <cruncher> like that it should be all of it removed
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3062 [14:47:18] <cruncher> but Iridos is right.. how come the files are still there but the package not?
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3064 [14:47:25] <Pymous> I don't know
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3066 [14:47:38] <Pymous> i don't have a deb for 1.0.0, only 1.0.2
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3068 [14:47:47] <Pymous> Or 1.0-dev (including 1.0.2)
3069 [14:47:47] <BluesKaj> conf files
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3071 [14:47:53] <Iridos> just in general… re-installing the same binaries doesn't usually change anything. if you have doubts about package integrity (that is not caused by some malicious intent), then use debsums
3072 [14:48:16] <cruncher> Pymous, replaced-url
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3076 [14:49:02] <Pymous> cruncher : installed
3077 [14:49:14] <Pymous> Back to the original issue : curl: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: undefined symbol: libssh2_scp_recv2
3078 [14:49:19] <Pymous> So I purge it now ?
3079 [14:49:23] <cruncher> yes
3080 [14:49:29] <cruncher> purge libssl1.0.0
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3082 [14:49:41] <cruncher> then all cfgs and files belonging to it will be gone
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3084 [14:50:40] <Pymous> Done
3085 [14:50:45] <Pymous> replaced-url
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3087 [14:51:24] <nodiscc> Hi I have a mysterious problem with a simple samba file sharing setup (Debian server <-> Debian client) and UFW. The server is up and running. I have allowed samba traffic in UFW on both sides (ports=135,137,138,445/udp|135,137,139,445/tcp). The nf_conntrack_netbios_ns module is loaded.
3088 [14:51:33] <nodiscc> When I go to my client file manager > Browse Network > Windows Network, it fails with "failed to retrieve share list from server: no such file or directory", and this appears in the client ufw log:
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3090 [14:51:44] <nodiscc> [53337.586571] [UFW BLOCK] IN=wlan0 OUT= MAC=[...] SRC=192.168.1.254 DST=192.168.1.9 LEN=90 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=49657 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=137 DPT=42557 LEN=70
3091 [14:52:12] <nodiscc> So my home router (1.254) seems to try to connect back to the client on a random high port??? Then it gets blocked by the firewall and listing the windows machines on the network fails. When I turn off the firewall entirely everything works again. Having fw off is not acceptable so I'm looking for whatever I may have missed. Help very appreciated, have been trying to fix this for weeks
3092 [14:52:26] <Iridos> and ls -la /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 says?
3093 [14:52:41] <Pymous> Iridos : lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Apr 19 12:19 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4 -> libcurl.so.4.4.0
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3097 [14:54:14] <Pymous> nodiscc : Static IP ? (in the subnet ?)
3098 [14:54:40] <Pymous> .254 seems static to me
3099 [14:55:04] <Pymous> If it is, why not doing something along this : ufw allow from 192.168.1.254 to any app Samba
3100 [14:55:28] <nodiscc> yes .254 is static (router/ISP box), 1.9 (client) and 1.38 (server) are from dhcp
3101 [14:55:55] <Pymous> cruncher : Do I reboot then ?
3102 [14:55:58] <Pymous> I'm a bit stuck there :D
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3104 [14:56:29] <nodiscc> Pymous: already did this: ufw allow from 192.168.1.0/16 to any app Samba
3105 [14:56:42] <Iridos> libcurl.so.4.4.0 is correct for stretch
3106 [14:56:50] <Pymous> Iridos : ufw allow Samba ?
3107 [14:57:02] <Pymous> Sorry
3108 [14:57:05] <Pymous> nodiscc : ufw allow Samba ?
3109 [14:57:13] <nodiscc> but the ufw rule is only for DESTINATION PORTS 135,137,138,445 and the connection attempt is SPT=137 DPT=42557
3110 [14:57:42] <nodiscc> DPT seems to be a random high port, it changes on each attempt
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3112 [14:57:58] <nodiscc> Pymous: tried that as well
3113 [14:58:01] <Pymous> Iridos : Any idea about what I can do ?
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3115 [14:58:18] <PymousTemp> In case I need to reboot :D
3116 [14:58:50] <Iridos> I'm not running stretch, I'm still on jessie
3117 [14:59:12] <Iridos> else I'd compare what ldd libcurl.so.4.4.0 says on stretch
3118 [14:59:27] <Pymous> cruncher can probably help with that, I guess
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3120 [14:59:32] <Pymous> or FinalX
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3122 [15:00:01] <Pymous> But if I recall, it was different for the both of them
3123 [15:00:45] <Iridos> it shouldn't if they have the same version of the library
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3125 [15:01:07] <Iridos> also comparing checksums to really ensure that would be a thing
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3131 [15:03:10] <Iridos> debsums libcurl3 checks it against locally installed checksums
3132 [15:03:24] <Iridos> but a randomly changed file wouldn't try to link to something else
3133 [15:03:47] <Iridos> but trying to link against two versions of the same library is extremely suspicious behavior
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3135 [15:04:45] <Pymous> We reverted that
3136 [15:04:55] <cruncher> the files are ok, he reinstalled all again, so no inconsistencies
3137 [15:05:00] <Iridos> no
3138 [15:05:06] <Pymous> What "no" ? o/
3139 [15:05:08] <cruncher> yes, they get overwritten of wrong
3140 [15:05:11] <Iridos> ldd shows it's looking for two versions of libssl
3141 [15:05:15] <cruncher> s/of(if
3142 [15:05:25] <Pymous> Yeah
3143 [15:05:28] <Pymous> But we can't find why
3144 [15:05:31] <Pymous> That's the issue²
3145 [15:05:33] <cruncher> yes, thats the problem. what i mean is checksums are not needed in this case
3146 [15:05:43] <cruncher> IF Pymous did it right ;-)
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3148 [15:05:56] <Pymous> I'm not drunk, so it should be pretty ok
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3150 [15:06:03] <Pymous> Wan't a root access to check it cruncher ? :D
3151 [15:06:09] <cruncher> yes
3152 [15:06:37] <Pymous> Really ? Coz' I'm doing it, you've tried more than 1 hour, I can trust you on this one
3153 [15:06:43] <Pymous> (anyway, nothing more to lose ... o/ )
3154 [15:06:51] <cruncher> Pymous, lol..thats no reason for trust ;-)
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3156 [15:06:59] <Pymous> No, feeling probably help
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3158 [15:07:10] <Iridos> sure checksums are needed… if you're comparing to another system there's no point being unsure if you're comparing apples with elephants
3159 [15:07:47] <cruncher> Iridos, of course... but if the packages are ok, the files will be too, even if modified previously
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3163 [15:08:42] <cruncher> Pymous, if you are unsure if you reinstalled, you can do apt clean, then reinstall them again
3164 [15:08:46] <Iridos> it's just the tiny difference between guessing and knowing?
3165 [15:08:52] <cruncher> Iridos, it is knowing
3166 [15:09:06] <Iridos> because… if you knew what exactly was wrong, you could just say?
3167 [15:09:06] <Pymous> Iridos : It's knowing, except if you checksum every packet you install ?
3168 [15:09:08] <cruncher> but like i say, the commands at least, pymous has the eyes
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3170 [15:09:26] <Pymous> Iridos : I did your commands too, still now idea about the issue
3171 [15:09:33] <cruncher> no, apt does check the packages checksum already when you download
3172 [15:09:55] <Iridos> what does your ldd say
3173 [15:09:56] <cruncher> so no need to check them afterwards directly after installation
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3176 [15:10:22] <Iridos> what I want is to compare ldd with a fresh stretch AND the checksum of the file
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3179 [15:10:31] <Iridos> but I don't run stretch, alas, I cannot
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3181 [15:12:18] <Iridos> and ldd of the curl binary, too
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3189 [15:17:32] <Iridos> hm, try doing strace -f -e open curl replaced-url
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3252 [15:41:03] <cruncher> Pymous, replaced-url
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3262 [15:42:25] <cruncher> Pymous, and run debsums -c curl libcurl3 libssl1.0.2
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3300 [15:56:42] <hexhaxtron[work]> I'm providing free services to users. So far I got SSH, FTP, Proxy, PHP, Email Accounts, Webmail, and Daily Backups. Any suggestions for more services?
3301 [15:56:48] <hexhaxtron[work]> A Jabber Server would be nice too.
3302 [15:57:25] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], answering your own questions? ;-)
3303 [15:57:35] <hexhaxtron[work]> I guess so. :)
3304 [15:57:37] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], what "users"? public?
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3306 [15:57:44] <hexhaxtron[work]> Yes, public.
3307 [15:58:21] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], webpages? mumble? there are many more, just a question of cpu/ram/bandwidth
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3312 [15:59:29] <hexhaxtron[work]> cruncher: I got Apache too.
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3325 [16:02:35] <hexhaxtron[work]> cruncher: Quad Core, 64GiB of RAM, 1TiB of SSD and 6TiB of HDD.
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3328 [16:02:56] <hexhaxtron[work]> 1 Gigabit/s of upstream and 1 Gigabit/s of downstream.
3329 [16:03:02] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], not bad... on how many users were you thinking?
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3331 [16:04:20] <hexhaxtron[work]> cruncher: about Mumble, I'm already running TeamSpeak 3.
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3335 [16:05:09] <jelly> hexhaxtron[work]: perhaps ask your users, not random channels.
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3338 [16:06:03] <Pymous> Thanks to FinalX and Iridos for trying to help, and especially thanks to cruncher who fixed the issue and took the time (a lot actually) to help me
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3340 [16:06:15] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], true... i forgot the scope.... only support here
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3343 [16:07:22] <cruncher> Pymous, you are welcome
3344 [16:07:24] <Iridos> Pymous, uh, what fixed it?
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3346 [16:07:38] <Iridos> or… better yet… what caused it
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3349 [16:09:19] <Pymous> Some libssh2.so who didn't have any packages attached roaming in the land of /usr/local/lib, Iridos
3350 [16:09:24] <Pymous> What caused it is unknown actually
3351 [16:10:12] <Iridos> that was my first suspicion, but none of the ldds you showed linked to /usr/local
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3354 [16:10:48] <Pymous> Yeah, but we told you it wasn't related to the ldd, but something holding back the proper removal of the package
3355 [16:10:54] <Pymous> Even if it was marked as removed
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3358 [16:11:08] <cruncher> the checksums were ok, as expected.
3359 [16:11:16] <Iridos> ldd shows where it gets runtime libraries from…
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3362 [16:11:31] <cruncher> Pymous, well, under /usr/local/lib... did you ever compile some libraries yourself?
3363 [16:11:42] <Pymous> cruncher : About openssl ? Not that I remember
3364 [16:11:44] <cruncher> or maybe some program put them there
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3366 [16:11:51] <Iridos> and none of yours (the bits that you showed) listed anything with /usr/local
3367 [16:11:57] <Iridos> was it in the ldd of curl itself?
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3369 [16:12:16] <Pymous> Iridos : We spend the last 3 hours looking, if it was just following a ldd, it would have been fixed way earlier I guess ^^
3370 [16:12:27] <Pymous> cruncher seems to be qualified and checked all that in the begining
3371 [16:12:33] <cruncher> lol
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3373 [16:12:47] <a0z> hi, i was just on paste.debian.net, learning how it works etc. there is a dead link on the side which claims to go to replaced-url
3374 [16:12:55] <cruncher> well, we didnt spend 3h.. but 1h i guess with all writing and all
3375 [16:13:09] <FinalX> Pymous: np :) sorry I couldn't help you till the end, had other matters to attend to and was running out of ideas as well :)
3376 [16:13:24] <hexhaxtron[work]> cruncher: I'm not sure if you received my messages... I crashed.
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3378 [16:13:34] <cruncher> anywway... Pymous, now check about the program that needs 1.0.0 (percona)
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3380 [16:13:50] <Pymous> cruncher : The latest version doesn't need it :)
3381 [16:13:57] <Pymous> It's installing right now
3382 [16:14:03] <cruncher> nice
3383 [16:14:09] <Pymous> FinalX : Don't excuse you, real life > all
3384 [16:14:20] <cruncher> hexhaxtron[work], no, i didnt, but as i said, its offtopic anyway
3385 [16:14:21] <Iridos> Pymous, well… it *was* just following the ldd output … but you need the right one for that :-} And I know, I read the whole backlog at the begin
3386 [16:14:38] <FinalX> was giving an nginx tutorial / class to coworkers ;)
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3388 [16:16:02] <Iridos> anyway, I wonder how you what finally pointed to it
3389 [16:16:19] <Pymous> You'd have to ask cruncher for that especially
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3394 [16:18:25] <cruncher> it was really easy after checking and comparing the shared libs... next step was strace
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3398 [16:19:03] <arosusi> hexhaxtron[work], whats the URL of your website if I may ask?
3399 [16:19:20] <hexhaxtron[work]> arosusi: replaced-url
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3401 [16:20:16] <Haohmaru> hm.. i woke up the computer (it had turned the monitor off into power saving mode), and i see a black screen with a bunch of quasi-random pixels towards the bottom.. some of those pixels flicker in different colors.. the computer is not responding to anything
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3403 [16:20:32] <Haohmaru> is this a GPU issue or RAM or what?
3404 [16:20:45] <cruncher> Haohmaru, xfce?
3405 [16:20:50] <Haohmaru> LXDE
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3409 [16:21:13] <cruncher> does it stay black?
3410 [16:21:16] <cruncher> or can you login?
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3412 [16:21:30] <arosusi> hexhaxtron[work], Thats a nice setup you have there. :-)
3413 [16:21:37] <hexhaxtron[work]> Thanks! :)
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3415 [16:22:48] <cruncher> Haohmaru, if you cant login, try killing light-locker
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3418 [16:23:54] <Haohmaru> cruncher i tried ctrl+alt+F1 but nothing happens, also, numlock doesn't respond..
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3421 [16:24:15] <Haohmaru> i could try to connect to it via ssh but i doubt it'll respond
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3423 [16:24:21] <cruncher> Haohmaru, oh... did you try/have ssh?
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3425 [16:24:42] <Haohmaru> i don't remember the IP x_x
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3430 [16:25:44] <cruncher> Haohmaru, check your router if dhcp, check arp cache from another machine or do a nmap scan
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3432 [16:26:04] <Haohmaru> i'm on windows here
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3434 [16:26:21] <Haohmaru> the guy who deals with the router is not here.. duuuh
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3437 [16:26:42] <cruncher> windows can do the same basically, you just have to install nmap or check arp cache
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3442 [16:28:03] <cruncher> Haohmaru, but if its a business, better dont go around port scanning...
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3445 [16:28:51] <cruncher> Haohmaru, in worst case, you can still sysrq if there wasnt anything important open/unsaved
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3462 [16:35:48] <vlt> a0z: Thank you! replaced-url
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3464 [16:36:33] <dontknow> my debian's sound is suddenly broken. audio became very low quality and i can't hear some channels. but if i put half of headphone's jack in the sound port, i can hear all channels. please help!
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3477 [16:40:08] <thms> !jessie->strech
3478 [16:40:09] <Haohmaru> aha! i logged in via ssh
3479 [16:40:14] <thms> !bot
3480 [16:40:15] <dpkg> I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse).
3481 [16:40:22] <thms> !dist-upgrade
3482 [16:40:23] <dpkg> dist-upgrade tells apt to also install/remove packages when handling dependencies; security updates may require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; apt and aptitude both call dist-upgrade "full-upgrade" to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. See also <why not dist-upgrade>, <full-upgrade>.
3483 [16:40:28] <thms> !stretch
3484 [16:40:28] <dpkg> Stretch is the codename for the current <stable> release, Debian 9, released 2017-06-17. "Stretch" is the rubber octopus in Toy Story 3, see replaced-url
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3486 [16:40:37] <thms> !jessie->stretch
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3490 [16:40:53] <thms> damn it
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3492 [16:42:18] <Iridos> it's "stretch", not strech
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3495 [16:42:42] <Haohmaru> cruncher i tried pkill light-locker and also lxlock, but nothing seems to change
3496 [16:42:44] <Iridos> and you can just do /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
3497 [16:42:49] <jelly> thms: /msg dpkg jessie->stretch
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3499 [16:42:55] <hellyeah> i know i asked before but
3500 [16:43:01] <hellyeah> how can i make javac global?
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3502 [16:43:09] <jelly> global?
3503 [16:43:36] <jelly> what does that mean
3504 [16:43:47] <cruncher> Haohmaru, so ssh worked? check logs for clues
3505 [16:44:05] <hellyeah> ./user/local/jdk1_8_0/bin/javac i use for executing javac
3506 [16:44:29] <Haohmaru> cruncher i don't know what to look for
3507 [16:45:21] <jelly> hellyeah: maybe you want to add /user/local/jdk1_8_0/bin to your PATH?
3508 [16:45:25] <jelly> !PATH
3509 [16:45:26] <dpkg> PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. replaced-url
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3513 [16:47:40] <cruncher> Haohmaru, its a laptop or a pc/server?
3514 [16:47:47] <Haohmaru> a PC
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3516 [16:48:32] <Haohmaru> i've disabled the screensaver, but it's configured to turn off the monitor after 10 minutes or so
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3518 [16:48:50] <Haohmaru> i had a program running, which uses opengl
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3521 [16:49:02] <Haohmaru> and this thing uses an nvidia gpu i think
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3523 [16:50:39] <cruncher> Haohmaru, does the monitor get a signal?
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3526 [16:51:16] <Haohmaru> yes.. after i moved the mouse to wake it up, it turned on, and shows a black screen with a bunch of nasty pixels at the bottom
3527 [16:51:25] <Haohmaru> some of them flicker in random colors
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3530 [16:52:15] <cruncher> Haohmaru, what does the command xrandr say?
3531 [16:52:27] <cruncher> does it list all your monitors, resp the connected one?
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3533 [16:52:36] <Haohmaru> "can't open display"
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3537 [16:53:50] <Haohmaru> i tried xrandr --listmonitors and it still says the same thing.. this is via ssh
3538 [16:55:44] <cruncher> Haohmaru, yeah, forgot you are though ssh
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3540 [16:56:58] <Haohmaru> ooh, the keyboard seems to have responded to numlock
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3542 [16:57:21] <cruncher> Haohmaru, try tty1 now
3543 [16:57:30] <Haohmaru> still nope
3544 [16:58:27] <Haohmaru> "top" shows that the opengl app i mentioned uses a steady 29% CPU
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3558 [17:03:26] <cruncher> Haohmaru, ssh with the parameter -x, then you can launch the display settings program, and see if changing resolution will recover your session
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3560 [17:03:39] <cruncher> i just dont know the command for lxde...
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3562 [17:03:58] <Haohmaru> cruncher -x?
3563 [17:04:01] <cruncher> but im sure someone here uses lxde and can tell you
3564 [17:04:07] <Haohmaru> i'm using putty.exe
3565 [17:04:10] <cruncher> Haohmaru, yes, ssh -x user@hostname
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3571 [17:04:53] <cruncher> Haohmaru, ok, then see putty settings for something like X forwarding
3572 [17:04:55] <Haohmaru> wait, do you mean to run "ssh -x ..." while i'm connected to it via ssh (putty) ?
3573 [17:05:19] <cruncher> no, see 1 msg earlier
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3578 [17:06:06] <ksk> putty and x forwarding? you will still need an x-server on your windows box then
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3580 [17:06:51] <Haohmaru> cad@cad:~$ lxrandr --listmonitors = "PuTTY X11 proxy: unable to connect to forwarded X server: Network error: Connection refused"
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3583 [17:07:58] <Haohmaru> oh wait
3584 [17:08:03] <Haohmaru> not lxrandr
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3586 [17:08:37] <Haohmaru> well, pretty much the same result with xrandr
3587 [17:08:52] <Haohmaru> smells like it's time for reboot
3588 [17:09:03] <cruncher> Haohmaru, you dont have a debian box there you can use?
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3590 [17:09:32] <Haohmaru> i have a debian on this here too, but i'm currently under windowz
3591 [17:09:45] <cruncher> so better reboot that one
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3593 [17:10:03] <Haohmaru> well.. i'll reboot to debian.. brb
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3598 [17:12:29] <asarch> How could I know if my file system is journaled with log reply?
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3600 [17:13:39] <gpunk> asarch: do a mount and see what fs is your fs
3601 [17:14:20] <Haohmaru> cruncher, i still get "can't open display"
3602 [17:14:29] <Haohmaru> when doing xrandr --listmonitors
3603 [17:14:40] <cruncher> Haohmaru, use: ssh -x username@hostname
3604 [17:14:49] <Haohmaru> yes, that's what i used
3605 [17:15:01] <jhutchins_wk> -X
3606 [17:15:03] <Haohmaru> from lxterminal
3607 [17:15:05] <Haohmaru> oh?
3608 [17:15:13] <gpunk> is X forwarding enbled on the remote server ?
3609 [17:15:19] <cruncher> Haohmaru, what says echo $DISPLAY?
3610 [17:15:19] <gpunk> (sshd)
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3613 [17:15:32] <Haohmaru> okay: 0: +*VGA-1 1280/376x1024/301+0+0 VGA-1
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3615 [17:15:53] <Haohmaru> cruncher, localhost:10.0
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3619 [17:18:41] <cruncher> Haohmaru, nto sure about lxde, but try now lxde-settings
3620 [17:18:52] <Henry151> hi #debian
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3625 [17:19:00] <Henry151> I'm having some trouble with my external wifi adapters
3626 [17:19:01] <Henry151> I have two
3627 [17:19:03] <cruncher> or to test, a simple mousepad/leafpad or whatever lxde uses
3628 [17:19:06] <Henry151> they both were working last week
3629 [17:19:09] <Henry151> but now I get errors
3630 [17:19:11] <Henry151> let me pastebin
3631 [17:19:42] <Haohmaru> cruncher, which settings do you mean?
3632 [17:19:46] <cruncher> display
3633 [17:19:55] <Haohmaru> that would be lxrandr then
3634 [17:20:03] <Haohmaru> but it's a graphical program
3635 [17:20:12] <Haohmaru> i mean GUI program
3636 [17:20:15] <cruncher> i would try to change resolution, because that would regenerate the screen, so hopefully you can recover your session
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3638 [17:20:35] <Haohmaru> well, i can change resolution with xrandr normally too
3639 [17:20:36] <Henry151> ok folks
3640 [17:20:37] <Henry151> replaced-url
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3642 [17:20:51] <Henry151> these are the errors I get when connecting my wifi adapter, it's an atheros
3643 [17:20:51] <Haohmaru> not sure if it'll work via this ssh hack
3644 [17:20:52] <Iridos> Haohmaru, what do you actually want to achieve?
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3646 [17:21:11] <Haohmaru> Iridos, unfreeze the computer and hopefully save my unsaved project
3647 [17:21:17] <Henry151> it's failing to load the firmware, with error "-2"
3648 [17:21:30] <Henry151> anybody know why this would be happening?
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3650 [17:21:42] <Henry151> I thought it was working a couple weeks ago, but maybe that was on a different distro
3651 [17:21:46] <cruncher> Haohmaru, its no hack, its X forwarding. you should be able to start now GUI programs from over the network and view on your 2nd machine
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3653 [17:21:52] <Iridos> if that's that GL application I don't think that will work… as it's probably the application that froze the computer?
3654 [17:22:26] <jhutchins_wk> Henry151: Chances are you don't have the firmware installed.
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3656 [17:23:49] <Henry151> something like apt install firmware-atheros?
3657 [17:23:51] <Haohmaru> cruncher, o_O so i ran lxrandr, and it opened here.. however, it switched the resolution of *this* monitor
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3659 [17:24:01] <Iridos> yes, of course…
3660 [17:24:09] <Iridos> it follows the DISPLAY variable
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3662 [17:24:42] <Henry151> jhutchins_wk: and once I install the firmware package, can I avoid a system restart by doing a modprobe command or something?
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3664 [17:24:47] <Iridos> and that points back to where you come from with x11 forwarding
3665 [17:25:07] <cruncher> it was not of course, since i was hoping it would do just a hardware switch... but now we know :)
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3667 [17:25:32] <cruncher> Iridos, do you know a way to change it only on the vga adapter?
3668 [17:25:41] <cruncher> without considering the display var?
3669 [17:26:14] <Iridos> you can just set DISPLAY to :0
3670 [17:26:26] <Iridos> but then you're still not allowed to access :0
3671 [17:27:18] <cruncher> of course, but it didnt work earlier
3672 [17:27:28] <Haohmaru> the resolution should be 1650x1080 or something like that
3673 [17:27:41] <Haohmaru> it's a wide-screen monitor, but not exactly full HD
3674 [17:27:58] <cruncher> Haohmaru, to see if it would react, the resolution wouldnt matter
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3677 [17:28:56] <Iridos> if you can switch back and forth to the text console with ctrl-alt-f1 and then ctrl-alt-ROOT
3678 [17:28:58] <Iridos> 99%aAAe!!
3679 [17:29:03] <Iridos> ROOT
3680 [17:29:04] <Haohmaru> ah no, it's 1680x1050 o_O
3681 [17:29:04] <cruncher> Haohmaru, but try again now that you are on debian... prepend DISPLAY=:0.0 to the command
3682 [17:29:04] <Iridos> 3iTLNh!
3683 [17:29:10] <Iridos> CHVT8
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3685 [17:29:14] <Iridos> CHVT7
3686 [17:29:14] <cruncher> Iridos, ? :D what are you writing?
3687 [17:29:35] <cruncher> accidentally switched on otr?
3688 [17:29:38] <Iridos> CD ~K
3689 [17:29:43] <Iridos> CD .CON
3690 [17:29:43] <Iridos> L
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3692 [17:29:49] <Haohmaru> o_O
3693 [17:29:51] <Iridos> LESS /VALOGx0
3694 [17:29:59] <Iridos> -INQ
3695 [17:30:03] <Haohmaru> did he pwned himself?!
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3697 [17:30:11] <Iridos> APT-CASEARCH SVGATEXTMOD
3698 [17:30:11] <cruncher> well.. just try DISPLAY=:0.0 lxrandr (or whatever the command)
3699 [17:30:19] <Iridos> CHVT 7
3700 [17:30:25] <Haohmaru> ctrl+alt+F1 doesn't respond
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3702 [17:30:55] <Haohmaru> cruncher, should that be "set DISPLAY=:0.0" ?
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3704 [17:31:17] <cruncher> no, just write it before the command, or if you prefer export DISPLAY=:0.0
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3706 [17:31:58] <Haohmaru> well.. it's "thinking" ..
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3710 [17:32:28] <babilen> Iridos: You okay?
3711 [17:33:15] <cruncher> i think he has trouble with vga and is typing blind, since it looks like he entered apt-cache search vgatextmode :D
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3715 [17:35:07] <BluesKaj> some pcs don't have F1 VT/TTY available, try ctrl+alt+F2
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3717 [17:35:42] <Haohmaru> BluesKaj, i tried all of em.. this is a normal PC
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3720 [17:36:01] <Haohmaru> it just doesn't respond to the keyboard
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3723 [17:36:49] <Haohmaru> i pressed numlock a bunch of times and the numlock LED went off after several minutes
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3728 [17:39:38] <jhutchins_wk> Haohmaru: You don't have another system you can use to connect via ssh?
3729 [17:39:54] <Haohmaru> jhutchins_wk, i am connected via ssh at the moment from another debian
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3732 [17:40:06] <Haohmaru> with "ssh -X .."
3733 [17:40:14] <jhutchins_wk> Ah. What's the system doing? High CPU usage?
3734 [17:40:29] <Haohmaru> well, not exactly
3735 [17:40:34] <Haohmaru> most things are calm
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3737 [17:40:53] <Haohmaru> just this one program (which uses opengl) is sitting at 29% cpu solid
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3739 [17:41:10] <jhutchins_wk> Haohmaru: The delayed response to numlock suggests some sort of extreme load.
3740 [17:41:22] <Haohmaru> i don't know
3741 [17:41:48] <cruncher> 29% is even unusal... if its a qudcore, it should be on 25% on full cpu usage
3742 [17:41:56] <Haohmaru> yeah, i know
3743 [17:42:01] <Haohmaru> it's a dual core
3744 [17:42:12] <Haohmaru> ..i think
3745 [17:42:17] <Haohmaru> it's definately not quad core
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3749 [17:44:31] <Haohmaru> i gotta go, will leave it like that and check it tomorrow
3750 [17:44:44] <cruncher> Haohmaru, the problem is lxrandr opens the window there,
3751 [17:44:50] <Haohmaru> but it smells like imma kill the app and probably reboot it.. cuz i need to work
3752 [17:45:10] <Haohmaru> i can attach a second monitor btw (the video card has two slots)
3753 [17:45:15] <Haohmaru> okay, gotta split
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3755 [17:45:33] <mitmf> why debian don’t have volume speaker?
3756 [17:45:41] <cruncher> if you have a few more minutes, try "DISPLAY=:0.0 xrandr --output VGA-1 --mode "1024x768" (replace VGA-1 with your monitor description)
3757 [17:45:49] <cruncher> that must work, or it really hung
3758 [17:46:02] <cruncher> oh he is alrady gone
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3761 [17:47:45] <eze> I am using play 2.3.7 (I can't change the version). I am sending a request to an external api that returns the content of a pdf file. I am trying to give as a response the download window to download the pdf file
3762 [17:47:57] <eze> bnut I had no luck so far, any pointers?
3763 [17:48:23] <mitmf> why debian don’t have volume speaker? how can i install volume speaker?
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3765 [17:48:49] <eze> sorry, wrong channel :P
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3779 [17:53:07] <mitmf> why debian don’t have volume speaker? how can i install volume speaker?
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3815 [18:05:54] <mr__tea> debian is the besgt!
3816 [18:05:57] <mr__tea> and I cant type
3817 [18:05:58] <ksk> mitmf: that depends on your desktop. try "alsamixer"
3818 [18:06:24] <mitmf> ksk: what you mean? slasmixer?
3819 [18:06:32] <mandeep> which package contains swapoff?
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3822 [18:07:51] <mandeep> i thought it was mount but the swapoff command doesnt seem to register
3823 [18:08:24] <BluesKaj> mitmf, which DE do you use ?
3824 [18:09:28] <mitmf> DE?
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3826 [18:10:00] <ski> Desktop Environment
3827 [18:10:10] <BluesKaj> mandeep, make sure you have your swap partition ented in /etc/fstab
3828 [18:10:13] <mitmf> hfce
3829 [18:10:38] <mandeep> BluesKaj: it's there. i was able to find swapoff in /sbin
3830 [18:10:51] <BluesKaj> hfce?
3831 [18:10:58] <mitmf> BluesKaj: yes
3832 [18:11:01] <mitmf> hfce
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3837 [18:12:09] <BluesKaj> xfce maybe
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3839 [18:12:19] <mitmf> BluesKaj: yes correct
3840 [18:12:21] <mitmf> xfce
3841 [18:12:43] <mitmf> then how can i install alsamixer?
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3845 [18:13:24] <a0z> mitmf: sudo apt-get install alsa-utils
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3847 [18:13:33] <mitmf> thanks :)
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3852 [18:14:39] <mitmf> alsa-utils is already the newest version (1.1.3-1). a0z
3853 [18:14:44] <cruncher> mitmf, i think what you want is to add the audio applet to the panel since you use xfce
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3855 [18:15:03] <mitmf> yes audio applet
3856 [18:15:08] <mitmf> how can i add it?
3857 [18:15:17] <cruncher> and since you probably use pulseaudio, and its already installed, just right click on the panel and select add, then select the pulseaudio plugin
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3863 [18:18:01] <BluesKaj> yeah, not familair with xfce audio options/icons/.applets etc
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3873 [18:20:58] <mitmf> cruncher: i add it, but i can’t do volume up
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3875 [18:21:01] <mitmf> strange
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3878 [18:21:28] <cruncher> mitmf its muted?
3879 [18:21:31] <BluesKaj> alsamixer basic settingsis are usually the best to check first
3880 [18:21:38] <mitmf> yes muted
3881 [18:22:00] <BluesKaj> ue the M key to unmute/mute
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3884 [18:22:27] <BluesKaj> in alsamixer
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3886 [18:22:51] <mitmf> where is alsamixer?
3887 [18:23:20] <BluesKaj> in the console, type alsmixer
3888 [18:23:41] <BluesKaj> alsamixer
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3890 [18:24:40] <mitmf> BluesKaj: but there is many thing like Msaster PCM LINE CD MIC Video.....
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3892 [18:26:22] <BluesKaj> make sure master and pcm are turned up and unmuted (no MM in the boc), also disable auto-mute on the far right
3893 [18:26:37] <BluesKaj> boc=box
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3898 [18:28:10] <BluesKaj> use the down arrow kety to disable auto-mute
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3901 [18:28:56] <mitmf> i can’t find disable auto-mute
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3904 [18:30:18] <BluesKaj> use the left/right arrow keys to navigate in alsamixer
3905 [18:30:28] <mitmf> yes
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3907 [18:30:36] <mitmf> i m doing now
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3911 [18:31:56] <BluesKaj> F5 to show all ctls
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3923 [18:34:17] <mitmf> BluesKaj: i clicked F5 but there is no disable auto-mute
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3926 [18:34:54] <BluesKaj> it's just called auto-mute
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3929 [18:35:26] <mitmf> Master and PCM is not 0 but others are 0
3930 [18:35:29] <mitmf> then how can i do?
3931 [18:37:07] <BluesKaj> navigate to the controls you want to increase then use the up arrow key to bring up the volume
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3938 [18:38:13] <mitmf> lol
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3941 [18:38:22] <mitmf> it don’t work too
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3950 [18:40:12] <BluesKaj> what doesn't work?
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3975 [18:50:47] <BluesKaj> think there was a language barrier in the mix there
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3985 [18:54:19] <mitmf> i will use ubuntu only
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3987 [18:54:24] <mitmf> instead of debian
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3990 [18:54:57] <LtL> mitmf: type 'groups' are you in the audio group?
3991 [18:55:20] <mitmf> wait
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3993 [18:56:28] <mitmf> LtL: groups —> root
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3997 [18:57:05] <LtL> mitmf: you should not be root, type exit then try groups again
3998 [18:57:06] <BluesKaj> the desktop determines a lot about your audio options , mitmf , ubuntu xfce won't be much different
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4001 [18:58:18] <mitmf> groups
4002 [18:58:19] <mitmf> moretz cdrom floppy audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner
4003 [18:58:33] <Pymous> Nop
4004 [18:58:40] <LtL> mitmf: try alsamixer as regular user
4005 [18:58:43] <Pymous> Sorry, wrong chan o/
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4010 [19:00:11] <mitmf> LtL: BluesKaj it works wll now i can’t use alsamixer as root?
4011 [19:00:33] <LtL> mitmf: why would you want to?
4012 [19:00:42] <BluesKaj> I don't use it as root, just user
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4014 [19:00:58] <mitmf> but i log in as root
4015 [19:01:02] <mitmf> :)
4016 [19:01:10] <LtL> mitmf: well don't
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4018 [19:01:16] <mitmf> ok
4019 [19:01:18] <mitmf> thanks :)
4020 [19:01:28] <LtL> mitmf: welcome
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4023 [19:01:59] <mitmf> then i will use debian
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4025 [19:02:00] <mitmf> :)
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4032 [19:02:48] <cruncher> lucky us
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4034 [19:04:09] <BluesKaj> mitmf, install xfce4-mixer
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4038 [19:04:44] <mitmf> BluesKaj: what is it?
4039 [19:05:43] <BluesKaj> you can add it to the the panel
4040 [19:06:10] <mitmf> but i add speaker app to panel now
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4043 [19:06:34] <mitmf> and it works well then i must install xfce4-mixer
4044 [19:06:36] <BluesKaj> ok whatever
4045 [19:06:54] <mitmf> ok thanks :)
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4052 [19:08:44] <mitmf> folder color is blue, so i can change folder color into white?
4053 [19:09:15] <mitmf> blue on black background is not good to see
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4061 [19:11:39] <LtL> mitmf: do you have a menu bar at the top of your terminal? change settings in profile
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4063 [19:11:53] <LtL> mitmf: under 'edit'
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4072 [19:14:05] <mitmf> LtL: there is a Text color cursor Background Tab activity, but there is no folder color
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4078 [19:16:16] <LtL> mitmf: no there isn't but in profile preferences try unchecking system theme colors and use linux console as your theme. it wount change the color but it may make it a different easier to read shade
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4080 [19:17:14] <LtL> mitmf: edit/profile preferences / colors
4081 [19:17:51] <LtL> mitmf: or something similar, i'm not on xfce at the moment
4082 [19:17:52] <mitmf> preferences instead of profile?
4083 [19:18:05] <LtL> mitmf: yes, then colors
4084 [19:18:41] <mitmf> but there is only Text Cursor Background Tab activity, there is no folder color
4085 [19:18:44] <mitmf> LtL:
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4087 [19:19:21] <LtL> mit there is no 'folder color' option, play with themes until you are happy
4088 [19:19:50] <mitmf> i will unhappy till death
4089 [19:19:51] <mitmf> :(
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4091 [19:20:23] <LtL> mitmf: like, white on black and linux console. some of this is due to your monitor
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4093 [19:21:04] <mitmf> when i was as root, but folder color is white instead of blue
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4099 [19:22:16] <LtL> mitmf: yes thats root's profile. if you dont like colors disable them in /home/$USER/.bashrc or atleast i do
4100 [19:22:19] <mr__tea> mitmf: ha the horror
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4104 [19:23:25] <LtL> mr__tea: be very careful editing the .bashrc file, make a backup
4105 [19:23:39] <LtL> mr__tea: apologies mis-tab
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4108 [19:24:27] <mitmf> LtL: then i will use it not changing it
4109 [19:24:27] <mr__tea> LtL: be carefull when using tab :)
4110 [19:24:28] <BluesKaj> xfce wasn't very configurable colour-wise on raspbian/rpi3
4111 [19:24:35] <LtL> mitmf: your desktop theme can alter colors also
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4116 [19:25:24] <mitmf> LtL: i will use blue folder color nevertheless i don’t like it
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4118 [19:25:46] <LtL> mitmf: in time you will find a way
4119 [19:25:49] <mitmf> but i don’t know who made debian :( why don’t make it well like ubuntu
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4121 [19:28:37] <mitmf> if i use debian, then i must change many thing
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4125 [19:29:38] <mitmf> LtL: thanks for help
4126 [19:29:40] <mitmf> bye
4127 [19:29:41] <mitmf> :)
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4165 [19:50:17] <hellyeah> !path
4166 [19:50:18] <dpkg> PATH is the environment variable that tells the OS where to look for programs. It is defined in /etc/profile or ~/.bash_profile or ~/.profile (for sh-like shells) or ~/.login for csh-like shells. replaced-url
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4170 [19:50:46] <greycat> It can be defined in lots of other places too.
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4178 [19:52:55] <greycat> And that TLDP page, as expected, is full of partial truths. E.g. some of the variables listed under "Environment Variables" are actually shell variables, rarely exported.
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4199 [19:58:52] <uxfi> How long will 8 be supproted im runnign a custom isntal on it of a distro based upon it
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4202 [19:59:16] <greycat> full support for one year after stretch's release, then LTS support for a few years
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4204 [19:59:26] <uxfi> alright
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4206 [19:59:38] <greycat> But your "based on Debian" distribution is not covered here, nor by Debian's security updates.
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4209 [19:59:59] <uxfi> alright
4210 [20:00:30] <uxfi> greycat; I plan to isntalll a fresh cop y of Strench on a new machine I get later anyways. Albeit I do have it in a VM
4211 [20:00:35] <uxfi> copy*
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4230 [20:05:04] <jelly> uxfi: in general, the goal of LTS project is to keep each release alive for five years. Debian 8 came out in 2015, so you got until 2020 to plan and executre migration to something newer
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4234 [20:06:14] <jelly> or at least, that would be the case if you were running Debian 8. If it's a derivative you need to ask the authors about their own policies.
4235 [20:07:34] <uxfi> ah
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4251 [20:13:50] <Posterdati> hi
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4256 [20:15:01] <Posterdati> please help, I'm trying to make a wifi direct mouse to work on my laptop. The laptop has got a p2p and p2p-go wifi: I can see the mouse connecting and suddenly disconnecting due to a missing ozwpan module
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4271 [20:20:37] <OneSploit> Hi
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4273 [20:20:46] <OneSploit> E: Package 'qtdeclarative-abi-5-7-0' has no installation candidate
4274 [20:20:46] <OneSploit>
4275 [20:20:52] <OneSploit> is there something wrong with qt ?
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4277 [20:21:16] <OneSploit> something off with g++ 7 ?
4278 [20:21:45] <OneSploit> quite fresh install and so many broken dependencies since 2-3 days
4279 [20:21:53] <greycat> I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you are not running stable.
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4282 [20:22:07] <OneSploit> of course stable is ancient
4283 [20:22:08] <greycat> Problems in testing/unstable are better addressed in #debian-next on OFTC.
4284 [20:22:28] <OneSploit> I wouldn't use Debian, if I had only stable as an option
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4286 [20:23:02] <OneSploit> I joined #debian-next but I was forwarded here
4287 [20:23:25] <OneSploit> forgot it was other IRCnet as well
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4306 [20:30:03] <jim> OneSploit, ancient is one thing... but is there stuff that actually doesn't work?
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4308 [20:30:30] <greycat> ~sns
4309 [20:30:33] <greycat> !sns
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4311 [20:30:33] <dpkg> Shiny New Shit Syndrome is a serious disorder, which usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. If you have SNS, ask me about <backports> and <ssb>; these are better options than upgrading to <testing> because it is a <moving target>.
4312 [20:30:46] <OneSploit> jim: yes, treeviewx for instance, and many other packages
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4315 [20:31:26] <jim> OneSploit, what's the problem with treeviewx?
4316 [20:31:39] <OneSploit> how is this syngrom called, when people think, that assembler is still good when others moved to more advanced languages?
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4318 [20:32:07] <OneSploit> why we don't dont everything in lisp or fortran, Java shiny new syndrome?
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4320 [20:32:21] <jim> what can you do... some people like to program in asm
4321 [20:32:25] <teraflops> OneSploit: focus
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4324 [20:32:37] <OneSploit> jim: it's simply crashin on stable
4325 [20:33:12] <greycat> installing treeviewx would use 22.5 MB additional disk space, so I think I'll pass.
4326 [20:33:25] <jim> crashing? hmm. does it dump core? (do you have a file "core" in the dir you were in when you ran it)
4327 [20:33:43] <greycat> You probably have to do "ulimit -c unlimited" first.
4328 [20:34:10] <OneSploit> jim: why would I save it? I upgraded to sid long time ago, after that it worked, besides I needed sid as it's convinient to use libraries that are not 5-6 years old7
4329 [20:34:49] <jelly> righto, as you're not running stable right now and don't plan going back to it, no need to discuss things here
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4331 [20:35:15] <OneSploit> so why you talked me into doing it ? :)
4332 [20:35:30] <OneSploit> out of scope, I am done here :)
4333 [20:35:42] <jim> OneSploit, one thing, in that kind of situation, you can file a bug report
4334 [20:35:42] <greycat> I see zero bugs reported at bugs.debian.org/treeviewx
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4336 [20:36:24] <OneSploit> jim: it's not an issue one program, but the avalanche of things not working, of things not compiling because of ancient libraries that no one uses anymore
4337 [20:36:35] <OneSploit> stable is great
4338 [20:36:40] <OneSploit> but for server
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4340 [20:36:52] <OneSploit> merly useful for desktop
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4342 [20:37:25] <greycat> He *has* to be one of these web developer kiddies. Nobody else has this notion that stable's "libraries" are so old that "no one uses them any more".
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4344 [20:37:44] <OneSploit> jelly: sorry, I was just replying to folks that started arguing, I am out of here, don't want to continue as it makes no sense
4345 [20:37:47] <jim> OneSploit, hmm... I wonder if you had altered stuff at the level that things that otherwise needed stuff started crashing
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4349 [20:38:26] <jim> but, that's water under the bridge now, you don't have that dist any more
4350 [20:38:28] <jelly> jim: drop it, please
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4353 [20:39:08] <OneSploit> greycat: I needed certain scientific libraries up to date, simple as this, no need to insult people you dont know, when they don't agree with you
4354 [20:39:21] <jim> yeah, ok
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4356 [20:40:19] <OneSploit> greycat: treeviewx is hardly web-developer kiddy tool, but never mind, bye
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4361 [20:40:55] <greycat> It was the only package you actually named, and there are no bug reports filed on it, which tells me you have not reported the bug you encountered.
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4368 [20:41:51] <jhutchins_wk> How old is the computer mouse? We're still using them.
4369 [20:42:03] <jim> OneSploit, as may have been noted before, this here is for the stable dist, it doesn't make sense for you to comment here... you want oftc.net on the channel #debian-next
4370 [20:42:09] <jhutchins_wk> Keyboards too, I think they go back a ways.
4371 [20:42:11] <cluelessperson> hey guys, what does dpkg --configure -a do?
4372 [20:42:36] <greycat> Attempts to configure all packages that are in need of configurin'.
4373 [20:42:46] <jelly> jim: they were, in fact, the one to note it
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4375 [20:43:01] <jim> cluelessperson, takes all the packages that have been unpacked but not confugured, and configures them
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4377 [20:43:17] <greycat> Runs postinst scripts and so on.
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4383 [20:44:16] <jelly> cluelessperson: a common step after an apt installation or upgrade failure that leaves some but not all packages in unusual states
4384 [20:44:24] <jim> cluelessperson, I think it's the same as dpkg --configure --pending
4385 [20:44:51] <jelly> s/that//;
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4388 [20:45:40] <jelly> cluelessperson: it makes dpkg happier. Usually followed by "apt-get -f install" or "aptitude -f install" which tries to make apt happier.
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4392 [20:46:38] * aloo_shu is getting happier, too :)
4393 [20:46:58] <cluelessperson> jelly: you're saying that dpkg --configure leaves packages in unusual states, or it's used to fix packages after an install/upgrade failure?
4394 [20:47:33] <jim> I think it's used to try to fix the weird states
4395 [20:48:24] <jim> -and- is used in the process of fixing a failed upgrade
4396 [20:48:25] <jelly> it tells dpkg to finish installations that are half-done, if possible
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4399 [20:48:36] <jelly> cluelessperson: so the latter
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4410 [20:53:38] <jhutchins_wk> cluelessperson: Usually a case where a package install session has been interrupted.
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4413 [20:54:10] <jelly> cluelessperson: dpkg does package installations and upgrades in certain well defined steps, for safety reasons. The last step is a "configure" one. So you tell dpkg to configure any pending packages that still need that step to be done
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4415 [20:54:21] <greycat> or failed because of lack of disk space, or some minor bug that you've just now worked around, etc.
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4417 [20:54:51] <jelly> gory details: replaced-url
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4421 [20:56:00] <jelly> it's really quite simple and logical, see Figure H.3.
4422 [20:56:03] * jelly hides
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4433 [21:02:33] <vrd1> i know debian can be very well used either as server or plain user desktop
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4435 [21:03:30] <vrd1> but,if i want a windows virtual machine, is kvm/virt-manager also designed for desktop usage, or is it more for servers?
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4437 [21:05:32] <jelly> don't think virt-manager UI is created with servers in mind
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4441 [21:05:57] <jelly> kvm is a backend, runs on servers and workstations alike
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4446 [21:07:00] <vrd1> jelly: have you heard about this "macvtap" recent driver?
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4450 [21:07:37] <jelly> I've heard now!
4451 [21:07:45] <vrd1> just now
4452 [21:07:47] <vrd1> grat
4453 [21:07:49] <vrd1> great
4454 [21:08:26] <jelly> I don't have a lot of experience with kvm-based virtualization, sorry
4455 [21:08:26] <vrd1> by chance, anyone here has experience recently installing a win10 kvm with virt manager?
4456 [21:08:31] <vrd1> by chance, anyone here has experience recently installing a win10 kvm with virt manager?
4457 [21:08:37] <jelly> !ask
4458 [21:08:37] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
4459 [21:08:42] <vrd1> greycat: hi
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4463 [21:09:10] <greycat> I can't imagine why you thought of *me* when you thought of Windows 10 and virtual machines.
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4466 [21:09:45] <greycat> There may be people here who know less about Windows 10 and about virtual machines than I do, but you'll have to work to find them.
4467 [21:10:01] <vrd1> greycat: because i have been told (and also seen some other few times) you are one of the elite helpers here
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4469 [21:10:32] <vrd1> greycat: believe me i have been trying to find them for 3 days
4470 [21:10:41] <jelly> people have different areas of expertise
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4472 [21:10:48] <vrd1> it becomes extremly frustrating, you know?
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4474 [21:11:54] <jelly> vrd1: try to write down a cohesive description of your issue(s), instead of first looking for experts, then explaining
4475 [21:12:04] <vrd1> ok, ill try
4476 [21:12:31] <jelly> irc is rather asynchronous, if you expect immediate answers you may be disappointed
4477 [21:12:54] <vrd1> first, i don't know which virtual networking to use, either normal bridging process or using macvtap
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4480 [21:13:39] <vrd1> second, also clueless about paravirtualized drivers, whether to use fedora's windows virtio iso or spice-guest-tools
4481 [21:13:49] <Leproide> Hi all :D
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4485 [21:15:18] <vrd1> brb
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4487 [21:15:41] <Leproide> Anyone know the correct list for testing repo? In the italian wiki the sourcelist is incorrect :(
4488 [21:15:44] <gabrielc> vrd1: i use openvswitch for virtual networks, virtio for performance improvement
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4490 [21:15:56] <jelly> !buster sources.list
4491 [21:16:08] <jelly> dpkg: ping
4492 [21:16:08] <dpkg> Sorry jelly, you're not online.
4493 [21:16:28] <Leproide> !testing source.list
4494 [21:16:34] <greycat> sources
4495 [21:16:35] <Leproide> !testing sources.list
4496 [21:16:35] <jelly> not available with bots nearby
4497 [21:16:35] <dpkg> Using "testing" instead of the current codename (e.g. jessie) in your sources.list isn't as bad as using stable in your sources.list; you will just seamlessly continue to track the "testing" distribution following a release. Note that for a few months just after a release, testing can be a pretty bumpy ride... perhaps running stable would be a better idea? See also <stable sources.list>, <jessie sources.list>.
4498 [21:17:21] <jelly> dpkg, testing sources.list =~ s/jessie/stretch/
4499 [21:17:21] <dpkg> jelly: OK
4500 [21:17:27] <greycat> dpkg, testing sources.list =~ s/jessie/stretch/g
4501 [21:17:27] <dpkg> OK, greycat
4502 [21:17:37] <jelly> ha
4503 [21:17:41] <greycat> I think there were just two anyway...
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4521 [21:24:35] <gumbee> if im on Debian 8.9, what are the good and bad tradeoffs to upgrading to 9.1?
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4531 [21:28:32] <jelly> greycat: now that I've actually read that factoid, I think it was two releases behind and it probably wants to reference buster now
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4536 [21:29:56] <greycat> Could be...
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4568 [21:46:23] <phinxy> Is it possible to download a package archive and move it to a external thumb drive for another machine without network to install?
4569 [21:47:12] <greycat> apt-get --reinstall --download-only foo bar baz
4570 [21:47:38] <greycat> they are placed in /var/cache/apt/archives/
4571 [21:48:25] <phinxy> Can you do this from Ubuntu.. ie. download archive for debian stretch on ubuntu 14 LTS
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4574 [21:48:40] <greycat> Not like that, no.
4575 [21:48:50] <greycat> Just pull them from the web manually, from packages.debian.org
4576 [21:48:54] <jhutchins_wk> phinxy: Not automatically.
4577 [21:49:03] <phinxy> The source code? and then manually all dependencies?
4578 [21:49:03] <jhutchins_wk> !apt-offline
4579 [21:49:03] <dpkg> To use apt on a machine that doesn't have a network connection (if you have a separate machine that does have a network connection), read replaced-url
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4581 [21:49:41] <jhutchins_wk> phinxy: You can download the binaries, you just have to work through the dependencies one at a time.
4582 [21:49:42] <greycat> Or install Debian in a chroot/whatever inside Ubuntu, then do the apt stuff from in there.
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4585 [21:51:02] <SuperSeriouCat> Installed Debian 9.1. Whats the quickest way to enable 256 colors in terminal?
4586 [21:52:17] <n4dir> iirc i simply downloaded packages from packages.debian.net.
4587 [21:52:27] <ski> (probably depends on the terminal in question)
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4590 [21:52:57] <SuperSeriouCat> What is the default one? No DE installed
4591 [21:53:02] <rotaticus> like getty?
4592 [21:53:27] <greycat> There isn't a default X terminal emulator. The closest thing to a default would be xterm.
4593 [21:53:51] <greycat> You really need to know which one you are using.
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4595 [21:54:15] <greycat> From a bash shell, "ps -fp $PPID" might give you a hint. Unless GNOME is involved. GNOME is alien.
4596 [21:54:47] <ski> (note that some terminals lie in `TERM' about which terminal they are)
4597 [21:55:13] <SuperSeriouCat> It is a ? under TTY
4598 [21:55:15] <greycat> Some of them share TERM with another terminal because they didn't want to develop their own incompatible command set.
4599 [21:55:45] <greycat> SuperSeriouCat: the CMD, not the TTY.
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4604 [21:56:44] <SuperSeriouCat> /bin/login
4605 [21:56:58] <greycat> So you're not in X at all. You're on the Linux console.
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4607 [21:57:02] <JoeRock> hello
4608 [21:57:08] <ski> (they shouldn't share `TERM', unless they support all the same capabilities. since applications will reasonably assume that the contents of `TERM' is accurate)
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4610 [21:57:20] <SuperSeriouCat> So intalling xterm it is then?
4611 [21:57:40] <greycat> SuperSeriouCat: If you are *NOT RUNNING X* then no, do not install xterm. Just tell us you are on the Linux console, not in X.
4612 [21:58:00] <greycat> You only said you weren't using a DE. I also do not use a DE, but I do use X.
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4614 [21:58:23] <SuperSeriouCat> What is X?
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4616 [21:58:27] <greycat> So your question is how to get 256 colors on the Linux console?
4617 [21:58:41] <ski> <replaced-url
4618 [21:59:48] <rotaticus> how to get 256 colors on the linux console?
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4620 [22:00:06] <rotaticus> and how do i check
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4622 [22:00:38] <JoeRock> I look a lot of packets using public dns ( as 8.8.4.4 or opendns ) , and using bind9 too
4623 [22:00:47] <SuperSeriouCat> That look like DE's to me... Guess I got another definition of desktop environment
4624 [22:01:13] <greycat> A desktop environment is a big huge overengineered Thing that tries to take over the entire user experience, like GNOME or KDE.
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4627 [22:01:39] <greycat> For decades before Desktop Environments existed, ordinary people installed a window manager and used startx to start X.
4628 [22:01:58] <greycat> Some of us still do.
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4633 [22:02:27] <SuperSeriouCat> But what I am looking for is how to get 256 colors in a setup running a headless Debian 9, and plan on SSH in and attach a running tmux
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4636 [22:03:14] <n4dir> "some of us" is probably an understatement. From what i hear many people use window managers instead of a DE.
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4638 [22:03:24] <greycat> Only us veterans.
4639 [22:03:44] <n4dir> well, we will never know for sure. To me it looks like they are quite hip.
4640 [22:03:55] <SuperSeriouCat> Gues this is my terminal. getty from util-linux 2.29.2
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4642 [22:04:38] <greycat> SuperSeriouCat: oh, you changed the question *AGAIN*. The number of colors is determined by the *actual terminal* that the stuff gets displayed on. Wherever that is. If your Debian system is "headless" then the terminal is probably not running on Debian at all. It's Putty on Windows, or something on Mac OS, or it's a phone, or ...?
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4644 [22:05:02] <greycat> SuperSeriouCat: where does the text *actually show up*
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4647 [22:06:31] <n4dir> fbterm came to my mind, but i couldn't figure out if it can do 256 colors. This thread says it can (truth to be told, i don't really understand the answers there): replaced-url
4648 [22:06:39] <jelly> SuperSeriouCat: if your ssh client is running on windows, your ssh client is probably also your terminal. What do you use to ssh in?
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4652 [22:08:29] <SuperSeriouCat> We should change nicks :p Final/full question/setup. SSH in to a headless Debian 9 VM who got some stuff running in tmux. From a Ubuntu machine
4653 [22:08:49] <greycat> Then the terminal is running on Ubuntu, and you need to ask the Ubuntu machine what it is.
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4655 [22:09:24] <SuperSeriouCat> It still dont work on the VM yet
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4657 [22:09:43] <jelly> what does not work
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4661 [22:10:39] <SuperSeriouCat> "(22:09:52) Switched to 'Default (16 ANSI colors)' color theme" The Debian VM do not have 256 colors working yet
4662 [22:10:47] <jelly> SuperSeriouCat: on your ubuntu machine, do you have a terminal window open, then type in "ssh ip-of-your-debian" to connect to debian?
4663 [22:11:14] <SuperSeriouCat> Tested there and on remote console
4664 [22:11:29] <jelly> where is "there"?
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4666 [22:11:41] <SuperSeriouCat> ssh
4667 [22:11:52] <jelly> how are you starting ssh?
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4670 [22:13:05] <jelly> do you type in some command starting with ssh?
4671 [22:13:43] <jelly> if so, the window where you type that in is your terminal
4672 [22:13:49] <SuperSeriouCat> No need to bother with this machine yet. Exited, rebooted and only controll it via VMWare Remote Console now. It support 256
4673 [22:14:10] <Vizva> gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr':
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4675 [22:14:20] <SuperSeriouCat> The program I start in tmux say it dont support 256 colors
4676 [22:14:20] <Drain> hi
4677 [22:14:21] <greycat> And now VMware is involved.
4678 [22:14:41] <Vizva> i did gpg --keyserver pool.sks-keyservers.net --recv-keys 6294BE9B 2011-01-05
4679 [22:14:42] <greycat> So we have ubuntu, vmware, debian, tmux, and what else?
4680 [22:14:49] <Vizva> to get the debian key for cd
4681 [22:14:57] <SuperSeriouCat> A grumpy cat?
4682 [22:15:08] <jelly> Vizva: install dirmngr, then
4683 [22:15:11] <Drain> I recently installed a debian version but I do not see the start or stop scripts what to do please ?
4684 [22:15:17] <Vizva> jelly i dont find it
4685 [22:15:29] <Vizva> i think its included
4686 [22:15:54] <jelly> Vizva: which debian release do you have installed
4687 [22:16:05] <Vizva> 9
4688 [22:16:14] <jelly> Vizva: what does "ls -l /usr/bin/dirmngr" say
4689 [22:16:42] <Vizva> dont find
4690 [22:16:57] <jelly> Vizva: then you don't have it. Install that package.
4691 [22:17:05] <jelly> apt-get install dirmngr
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4694 [22:17:26] <topyli> Drain: debian uses systemd these days, there are no scripts
4695 [22:18:00] <Vizva> JELLY IN SYNAPTIC I DONT FIND IT
4696 [22:18:02] <Vizva> BUT NOW
4697 [22:18:07] <Vizva> sorry
4698 [22:18:18] <Vizva> thank you
4699 [22:19:04] <jelly> Vizva: exit synaptic, then run "apt-get update" as root, then pastebin the output of "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy dirmngr" if possible
4700 [22:19:17] <jelly> !paste
4701 [22:19:17] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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4705 [22:22:11] <jelly> Drain: what kind of start and stop scripts are you looking for?
4706 [22:22:22] <jelly> !goal
4707 [22:22:22] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
4708 [22:22:32] <jelly> !ask
4709 [22:22:32] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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4713 [22:23:36] <Drain> jelly
4714 [22:23:37] <Drain> The scripts used for services like ssh, apache etc.
4715 [22:23:41] <Vizva> replaced-url
4716 [22:23:50] <greycat> ssh uses systemd. apache2 may not.
4717 [22:24:13] <greycat> In stretch, you have /lib/systemd/system/ssh.service and ssh@.service and ssh.socket
4718 [22:24:14] <Drain> and apache ?
4719 [22:24:18] <jhutchins_wk> SuperSeriouCat: You probably need to install the guest extensions for your virtualizer.
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4724 [22:26:53] <jelly> Vizva: so it looks like apt thinks "dirmngr" is installed, but you don't have /usr/bin/dirmngr. This points to data loss or filesystem corruption.
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4726 [22:27:49] <Vizva> jelly no i have it now
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4728 [22:27:55] <Vizva> you give me the command
4729 [22:28:02] <Vizva> and i did say thank you
4730 [22:28:02] <jelly> Vizva: you can fix this particular file by reinstalling dirmngr package, "apt-get --reinstall install dirmngr", but who knows what else is missing
4731 [22:28:15] <Vizva> but before i dont find it in synaptic
4732 [22:28:15] <jelly> oh, alright
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4736 [22:28:41] <jelly> Vizva: maybe you did not click on some button in synaptic that does the same thing as "apt-get update"
4737 [22:28:56] <jelly> I have no idea what synaptic looks like.
4738 [22:29:37] <Vizva> maybe youre correct
4739 [22:29:43] <Vizva> and i did forget click there
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4744 [22:31:47] <n4dir> Vizva: in my humble opinion the basic package-management with commands is very easy. But you also gain a lot (really a lot) of options to go way beyond the basic stuff (assuming you neet it). I would give up on synaptic (though it probably has also some advantages)
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4746 [22:31:53] <SuperSeriouCat> jhutchins_wk, it is already installed :)
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4748 [22:33:04] <boodie> Hi (stretch): all my audio does not work (not youtube, ) ... how do I assess whether it's a HS or a SW problem?
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4750 [22:34:03] <greycat> boodie: you mean in Firefox?
4751 [22:34:35] <jelly> Drain: I guess you'll want to read replaced-url
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4754 [22:35:03] <Drain> jelly thanks good help!
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4762 [22:36:03] <Vizva> n4dir they change something in debian 9 other than jessy i got confused a little bit
4763 [22:36:18] <boodie> Firefox ... but VLC does not work no CD reproduction, nothing ......
4764 [22:36:33] <n4dir> Vizva: i only made a sidenote.
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4766 [22:36:47] <greycat> boodie: firefox-esr as of version 52.x needs PulseAudio for sound :(
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4768 [22:37:30] <boodie> Yeah, everything worked until today
4769 [22:37:41] <greycat> What did you change today?
4770 [22:38:00] <Vizva> n4dir all gui have advantages - but i have too remember the commands for bsd
4771 [22:38:02] <boodie> nothing, not with apt or anything
4772 [22:38:06] <Vizva> too
4773 [22:38:18] <Vizva> so sometimes its more easy for me to click a button
4774 [22:38:21] <jelly> Vizva: if you're asking what's new and changed in Debian 9 compared to 8, replaced-url
4775 [22:38:23] <n4dir> I don't think BSD uses apt ...
4776 [22:38:41] <Vizva> yes they use another command
4777 [22:38:43] <Vizva> and then you have to think
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4779 [22:39:00] <Vizva> pkg_add
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4781 [22:39:24] <n4dir> anyway: enable history completion, or however it is called. You enter the few commands you need once, then just type "apt", hit the tab key, and will get to know which commands of apt you usually use
4782 [22:39:42] <Vizva> i have that histroy
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4785 [22:39:51] <Vizva> but there is such a lot things inside
4786 [22:40:05] <Vizva> there are hundred of lines
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4789 [22:41:05] <n4dir> nope, not if you do "\e[5~": history-search-backward ; and ; "\e[6~": history-search-forward in /etc/inputrc. You can let commands autocomplete which start with "apt"
4790 [22:41:30] <n4dir> but if synaptic is more comfortable to you, that is really your choice.
4791 [22:41:45] <Vizva> i have a lot of dd commands and thing like cryptsetup
4792 [22:41:50] <Vizva> i dont start with autocompletition
4793 [22:42:05] <Vizva> its enough for me in the days of t9
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4795 [22:42:34] <Vizva> why not i am not a purist
4796 [22:42:45] <Vizva> and i need to try everything
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4799 [22:43:19] <Vizva> i enjoy comeing from the days of homeboxes in ascii
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4802 [22:43:56] <n4dir> All i tried to say is that the debian packagemanagement is a real gem. And i guess i can compare it with a few others now.
4803 [22:44:10] <Vizva> in the past i did use my modem to get my news .- today i like buttons in color of light colors
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4806 [22:44:47] <Vizva> the problem is too that i have many to check
4807 [22:45:29] <lobo-checo> hi there, I would like to download live CD / DVD. Could you give me the link for AMD 64 x 2 please?
4808 [22:46:30] <n4dir> !live
4809 [22:46:30] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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4811 [22:47:26] <lobo-checo> n4dir: thank you
4812 [22:47:30] <n4dir> i wouldn't say they are usefull to install debian (and as far i can tell quite a few would agree). but i hope the links will give you the download you ask for, lobo-checo
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4814 [22:47:50] <lobo-checo> I have only 3GB RAM, which one would be better? CD or DVD?
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4818 [22:48:49] <n4dir> i don't know. i wish i had a mashine with 3 GB of RAM (but then: no clue for what i would need it ... )
4819 [22:48:50] <lobo-checo> does it matter, that my HDD is formated to 32 bit only?
4820 [22:49:06] <lobo-checo> do you have less than this?
4821 [22:49:10] <greycat> Amount of RAM has no bearing on what kind of install medium you use.
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4823 [22:49:37] <digdilem> lobo live-cd doesn't use your hdd unless you choose to install (although it can read it)
4824 [22:49:38] <lobo-checo> I mean it is all read to RAM, right?
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4826 [22:49:56] <lobo-checo> I know, I had debian a short time in the past
4827 [22:49:59] <n4dir> lobo-checo: well i use my machines with less RAM to boot liveCD's, and it works (not perfect, but it does work). I don't think CD or DVD matter.
4828 [22:50:01] <lobo-checo> debian sid
4829 [22:50:02] <digdilem> lobo-checo, the minimum specs will be on the livecd page somewhere, but 3gb will be fine
4830 [22:50:03] <greycat> If you're going to install, don't use the Live CD images.
4831 [22:50:11] <coet-i3> Hi, anyone know how to allow insecure repos to be updated with apt-get update ?
4832 [22:50:20] <lobo-checo> ah, OK, thank you
4833 [22:50:39] <lobo-checo> greycat: why not?
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4835 [22:50:52] <greycat> Because they haven't worked well for installations in *years*.
4836 [22:50:56] <lobo-checo> I am just curious. I will not install it now. Have to think about it
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4838 [22:51:16] <lobo-checo> :O
4839 [22:51:43] <lobo-checo> ok, thank you. And what is now the recommanded way to install debian?
4840 [22:51:46] <coet-i3> it says on the manpages that "Individual repositories can also be allowed to be insecure via the sources.list(5) option allow-insecure=yes" but I don't know how to do that
4841 [22:51:51] <greycat> !netinst
4842 [22:51:51] <dpkg> from memory, netinst is a small CD image with which you can install Debian. If, during the installation process you have a working Internet connection, you can install more packages straight away, otherwise, you will have a base install and more packages later. See replaced-url
4843 [22:52:35] <lobo-checo> so my internet connection is very limited. I use my phone like modem.
4844 [22:52:46] <lobo-checo> may be 1GB
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4846 [22:53:02] <digdilem> lobo-checo, netinst is the right answer to install in all situations except where you have no network connection at all
4847 [22:53:03] <greycat> *sigh*
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4849 [22:53:28] <greycat> OK, if your internet SUCKS, then take the computer to a library or an internet cafe or a fast food restaurant or wherever and do the install *there*.
4850 [22:53:30] <lobo-checo> ah, ok. thank you
4851 [22:53:34] <greycat> If your entire *country*'
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4854 [22:53:43] <greycat> If your entire *country*'s internet sucks, then mail order the DVD image.
4855 [22:53:53] <lobo-checo> I dont have a notebook, but PC :D
4856 [22:54:02] <lobo-checo> so impossible in a restaurrant
4857 [22:54:13] <digdilem> just use netinst and leave it downloading overnight (I'm also on limited internet)
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4860 [22:54:40] <n4dir> With that litte amount of download ordering the DVD image is probably a good idea anyway.
4861 [22:54:42] <lobo-checo> no, the connection is very good, but the amout of data could be the problem
4862 [22:54:53] <digdilem> it's better because you're not downloading stuff you don't need, like you will with a live-cd or full install set
4863 [22:54:59] <lobo-checo> I just updated win 7 downloading more than 1GB
4864 [22:55:37] <lobo-checo> there was a german project sidux based on sid
4865 [22:55:49] <lobo-checo> their livd CDs worked
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4867 [22:55:52] <jhutchins_wk> !sid
4868 [22:55:52] <dpkg> rumour has it, sid is the codename for <unstable>, named after the kid in Toy Story that breaks toys. The great thing about running sid is that when it breaks, you get to keep ALL the pieces!!
4869 [22:55:56] <lobo-checo> it is a bit strange for me
4870 [22:56:24] <greycat> replaced-url
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4872 [22:56:36] <lobo-checo> I know the story
4873 [22:56:39] <jhutchins_wk> lobo-checo: Mail order disks work great. You know about dual-boot, right?
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4876 [22:56:50] <lobo-checo> but it never broked itself, I broked it
4877 [22:56:53] <lobo-checo> :D
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4879 [22:57:18] <lobo-checo> the boot manager?
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4881 [22:57:23] <n4dir> Sid or Sid based distro upgrade all the time. I don't think that is a good option in your case.
4882 [22:57:27] <Trap-Chan> is there a way to mask the CLIishness of boot?
4883 [22:57:30] <lobo-checo> what was its name?
4884 [22:57:32] <lobo-checo> grub
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4887 [22:58:01] <lobo-checo> n4dir: it is not now
4888 [22:58:26] <n4dir> sure, not now.
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4890 [22:58:29] <lobo-checo> I am not desided, yet. It would be a big step.
4891 [22:58:40] <lobo-checo> right
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4893 [22:59:27] <vlt> lobo-checo: I’d also recommend using the small netinstall image to start. And use stable Debian ;-) You had enough of unstable there :-D
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4896 [23:00:06] <lobo-checo> :D
4897 [23:00:08] <n4dir> I would go to a internet cafe and download a bigger installation iso, probably the DVD's.
4898 [23:00:09] <lobo-checo> hi vlt
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4900 [23:00:19] <lobo-checo> one more question
4901 [23:00:31] <coet-i3> Hi, anyone know how to allow insecure repos to be updated with apt-get update ? it says on the manpages that "Individual repositories can also be allowed to be insecure via the sources.list(5) option allow-insecure=yes" but I don't know how to do that
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4903 [23:00:33] <lobo-checo> as I mensioned, I am connected by samsung galaxy
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4905 [23:00:56] <lobo-checo> do you mean, the connection will work with debian out of box?
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4907 [23:01:02] <vlt> lobo-checo: Yes.
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4910 [23:01:47] <vlt> lobo-checo: Just activate USB tethering and you’ll get a usable device.
4911 [23:01:58] <lobo-checo> great. I was very afraid about this. I had a big problem with win 7
4912 [23:02:06] <lobo-checo> great
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4914 [23:02:21] <Trap-Chan> coet-i3 it sounds like you just add that text to the line of the sources.list for the repo in question.
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4916 [23:02:42] <lobo-checo> vlt: give me the correct link for the future, please.
4917 [23:02:58] <coet-i3> that is not working Trap-Chan
4918 [23:03:07] <vlt> lobo-checo: To what? The netinstall image?
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4921 [23:03:36] <lobo-checo> replaced-url
4922 [23:03:38] <lobo-checo> this one?
4923 [23:03:43] <lobo-checo> yes
4924 [23:03:47] <lobo-checo> netinstall
4925 [23:03:54] <greycat> That is a live image, not a netinst image.
4926 [23:03:59] <lobo-checo> no I wil burn this one
4927 [23:04:10] <lobo-checo> to see how it looks like
4928 [23:04:13] <vlt> lobo-checo: And it’s a torrent file.
4929 [23:04:20] <lobo-checo> I used debian in 2002
4930 [23:04:28] <lobo-checo> sure, I see :)
4931 [23:04:50] <lobo-checo> for the case I get out of money
4932 [23:05:13] <Trap-Chan> coet-i3 i went to wiki/SourcesList and can't even find that argument you mentioned. where did you see it?
4933 [23:05:17] <lobo-checo> and the netinstall ?
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4935 [23:05:40] <vlt> lobo-checo: Scroll back ;-)
4936 [23:05:51] <greycat> or this one...
4937 [23:05:53] <greycat> !firmware image
4938 [23:05:53] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
4939 [23:06:15] <coet-i3> Trap-Chan, it's on the manpages of apt-secure. You can find it here too replaced-url
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4942 [23:07:13] <lobo-checo> thank you a lot
4943 [23:07:30] <Trap-Chan> coet-i3, that page is for ubuntu not debian, yeah?
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4947 [23:08:12] <coet-i3> yes, I just copied you the first one I found. If you type "man 8 apt-secure" you will find it also there
4948 [23:08:15] <coet-i3> Trap-Chan,
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4962 [23:13:49] <Trap-Chan> coet-i3, well, my only other idea as a newb would be to have a line at the top that instead of starting with deb and having a URL is that text. then it looks like you affix trusted to the end of the lines you want to be trusted.
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4970 [23:18:12] <coet-i3> Trap-Chan, I tried this: deb [ allow-insecure=yes] replaced-url
4971 [23:18:14] <coet-i3> but no luck
4972 [23:18:58] <Trap-Chan> like is said reading that article makes me think that your supposed to have allow-insecure=yes on a line all by itself and then where you put [allow-insecure=yes] instead you put trusted.
4973 [23:19:22] <n4dir> i assumed it would be at the end of the line, but wild guessing when it comes to syntax is ... urgh :-) Sure not easy to find the right way on the Web.
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4975 [23:20:00] <coet-i3> Ok, I understand, I will try that now, Trap-Chan
4976 [23:20:04] <Trap-Chan> n4dir yeah i was thinking end of line too.
4977 [23:20:17] <greycat> And none of the examples in sources.list(5) are of any use either.
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4981 [23:23:00] <greycat> "trusted" is described as a "tri-state value", so maybe you can put [trusted=yes]
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4983 [23:23:16] <coet-i3> Trap-Chan, greycat, n4dir . I tried this again (deb [ allow-insecure=yes] replaced-url
4984 [23:23:30] <coet-i3> so the exact syntax is this one: deb [ allow-insecure=yes] replaced-url
4985 [23:23:37] <coet-i3> thanks to all of you!
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5009 [23:33:52] <sharp15> is there a way to have a message pop up on all VT shell logins? i'm not sure if motd will do this or only do this once per day.
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5011 [23:34:55] <n4dir> perhaps "wall"
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5013 [23:35:11] <n4dir> ah, on login. sorry
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5022 [23:37:24] <sharp15> if i want to test. can i just edit /etc/motd? i.e 'vim /etc/motd'
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5025 [23:37:53] <sharp15> or is that a script generated file by default?
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5040 [23:45:12] <forthwright> hello all :)
5041 [23:45:16] <sandieg> hi all
5042 [23:45:17] <sandieg> :)
5043 [23:45:23] <forthwright> Anyone use or is familiar with WonderCMS ?
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5046 [23:47:28] <forthwright> Blessings be to all :)
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5048 [23:47:43] <sandieg> can someone help me: replaced-url
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5050 [23:47:50] <sandieg> no sound on system
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5054 [23:50:10] <sharp15> sandieg: did you use alsamixer to check the mute buttons?
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5059 [23:53:27] <sharp15> sandieg: once you have made sure everything is un-muted. aplay has a way to choose sound cards. start steping through them. software selecting the wrong soundcard is a constant annoyance. games using fmod are notorious for requiring configuration file editing or uncorrectably selecting card 0 in contradiction of the configured default.
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5065 [23:55:58] <anonymous_23> hi
5066 [23:56:05] <asterismo> hi
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5068 [23:56:41] <asterismo> the panasonic toughboox cf 31 works without crashing the X server under LXDE
5069 [23:56:48] <asterismo> i removed KDE
5070 [23:57:03] <asterismo> but the realtek audio is gone
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5073 [23:57:30] <asterismo> what module do i have to enable to have audio?
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