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16 [00:07:02] <yep> hello
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18 [00:07:34] <yep> i have follow this replaced-url
19 [00:07:40] <yep> someone can help me ?
20 [00:08:12] <rotaticus> netzach: aloo_shu: correct! choose your destiny
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46 [00:17:14] <aloo_shu> rotaticus I just looked up debian-live project, but that seemed changed. I seem to remember detailed information on setting up various degrees of persistence for your own use, now it seems geared only towards producing live images
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58 [00:21:59] <aloo_shu> rotaticus the best out of the box design for permanently running linux from a pendrive I have used, was puppy linux. would it have been unpolite or otherwise uncool to point him there?
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62 [00:24:51] <rotaticus> aloo_shu: sry never used persistence ... i personally dislike the idea of putting my os to an usb/flash , but thats not my decision
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65 [00:27:53] <rotaticus> err the most usb sticks i've seen are older than ssd drives which, hopefully is the best choice of location for my os
66 [00:28:45] <aloo_shu> that, in turn, is what I have never laid hand on (SSD)
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71 [00:31:28] <aloo_shu> but making the most of live, the entire os gets copied to ram, that's very fast, too, after boot.
72 [00:32:05] <rotaticus> yes copy to ram is the way for modern live-disks
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74 [00:33:04] <aloo_shu> I'd have thought some swapping in and out to be going on for a full desktop like debian
75 [00:33:33] <aloo_shu> if a desktop you run, of course
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79 [00:34:40] <rotaticus> everybody should have enough ram by the time .... i myself hang on *VERY* low end machines, but i like the terminal ... coming from nw-dos long ago
80 [00:34:52] <aloo_shu> the emphasis was on *entire* . puppy does that
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92 [00:36:15] <aloo_shu> but with 200MB images. trimming fat is the term they use
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102 [00:37:29] <rotaticus> been there, had to install all that ubuntu %$&(££&% , didn't like it ... always has my comparison debian done better
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105 [00:37:46] <rotaticus> 200MB thats tiny indeed
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107 [00:37:56] <aloo_shu> rotaticus, what is *VERY* low end for you?
108 [00:38:11] <rotaticus> 380mhz
109 [00:38:24] <aloo_shu> you have slackware based puppy, too
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112 [00:39:43] <aloo_shu> but anyway, you can take any puppy to study a sound from usb stick or even nested in ntfs - approach
113 [00:40:52] <rotaticus> over the years i think i've grow used to debian ... it all felt consistent ... hope stretch gets there too
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115 [00:41:01] <aloo_shu> 380mhz you beat me by lengths. I have an old thinkpad of that spec, but won't boot
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117 [00:42:12] <aloo_shu> etch was when I felt most at home with debian
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119 [00:42:39] <rotaticus> aloo_shu: its an eee pc 701 cpufreqd to 380 to avoid tteemperature problems ... 900mhz is the spec of cpu ... it comes throttled to 600 ... still temperature
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121 [00:43:41] <aloo_shu> great idea in fact. might try that on a ;hot' laptop I have
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123 [00:43:49] <rotaticus> i only use that box to ssh to my bananapipro that runs irssi all day long
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125 [00:44:25] <rotaticus> name ONE cool laptop
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129 [00:45:41] <aloo_shu> have an old dell inspiron 1300. looks like a tank, aesthetically, but there is space in that box
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131 [00:46:59] <rotaticus> if it takes like a tank ... no problem with me. aesthetics dont compile
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134 [00:47:39] <aloo_shu> old toshiba satellite , similar
135 [00:48:44] <aloo_shu> pre 2000, the latter
136 [00:48:47] <rotaticus> imho all laptop have cooling issues, i've never seen a cool one ... they were at best "not awful hot"
137 [00:49:43] <rotaticus> even the transmeta one ... the one linus made ... glowing red
138 [00:49:55] <aloo_shu> right, and downclocking is a good idea. was a key to early iDevice longevity
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141 [00:51:07] <aloo_shu> laptops are quasi mandatory for me since I'm on limited solar power
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146 [00:52:16] <th0r> aloo_shu, I ran two servers and a desktop off 100w solar on my sailboat 24/7
147 [00:52:35] <shtrb> th0r , with what kind of power bank ?
148 [00:52:54] <rotaticus> that sounds awesome :D got some nice batterymonitoring running ... there was uninterrupted voltage suply daemons
149 [00:52:58] <shtrb> solar panel size without the size of the powerbank and the type of the inverter is not usefull
150 [00:53:03] <th0r> aloo_shu, 2 group 27 batteries, although I kept one aside to start the motor.
151 [00:53:26] <th0r> aloo_shu, they were all raspberry pi 3....xfce on the desktop, samba on the servers
152 [00:53:32] <shtrb> th0r , that sound like a small fortuine (need replacement every two years)
153 [00:53:34] <rotaticus> ha powerbank ... an average anker runs my bananapi a week :) thats 4*18650
154 [00:53:49] <aloo_shu> th0r , more sun at sea, and just 75W nominal here
155 [00:53:52] <th0r> shtrb, two group 27's cost about $180 US
156 [00:54:19] <shtrb> th0r , I thought you have something like a 100 ah deep cycle
157 [00:54:23] <th0r> shtrb, and I did replace them every two years, but could have gone longer.
158 [00:54:36] <shtrb> or the standard ~40 something
159 [00:54:41] <th0r> shtrb, group 27's are about 90 AH each
160 [00:55:01] <th0r> shtrb, and they cost me right at $90 a piece last time I replaced them.
161 [00:55:04] <shtrb> $180 for 27 90 AH ?!
162 [00:55:16] <shtrb> deepcycle or car type ?
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164 [00:55:20] <th0r> shtrb, TWO group 27's
165 [00:55:25] <th0r> deep cycle
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168 [00:55:40] <shtrb> lets move to offtopic
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170 [00:56:32] <aloo_shu> th0r , but if 1 or more raspberries made it my way, I wouldn't complain. I'm a no budget man, but there is a nice not yet overrun marina nearby. an island in east atlantic
171 [00:56:58] <th0r> aloo_shu, moved to debian-offtopic
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176 [01:00:19] <aloo_shu> rotaticus, you come (debian-offtopic)?
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179 [01:01:11] <rotaticus> aloo_shu: ok ;)
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188 [01:05:06] <Lugh> Hi! I'm going to by a new computer and I want to install Debian in it. But someone has told me that UEFI has proprietary and closed source firmware! Is this true?? Is this is true, what is the point of using an open source OS (like Debian) if you are running it on a machine with closed source firmware?
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191 [01:06:49] <Lugh> Why bother locking my front door when an attacker can just break the windows?
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202 [01:12:33] <ChmEarl> Lugh, your bios may give you a choice for UEFI or legacy boot
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207 [01:14:44] <Lugh> ChmEarl: Or may not... And support for legacy boot is disappearing... soon it will be only a memory of the past...
208 [01:14:52] <abrotman> !uefi
209 [01:14:53] <dpkg> Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a firmware interface specification, intended to replace the <BIOS> firmware interface. Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later releases support installation in (U)EFI mode on 64-bit PC systems (amd64), <secure boot> is currently not supported. replaced-url
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217 [01:16:59] <Lugh> abrotman: I know that... and that's the problem. The present and future is UEFI. But if UEFI is indeed closed source, why using Debian? Running trusted code on untrusted firmware will make code execution untrusted! I want security and privacy. If UEFI firmware is closed source how can I get security and privacy? And why use Debian?
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219 [01:18:09] <Lugh> And why Debian accepts to run on closed source firmware?! That totally destroys the reason to use an open source OP.
220 [01:20:29] <Lugh> Also I want to install Debian with encrypted partitions (dm-crypt / cryptsetup). But if UEFI is indeed closed source it would be stupid to have encrypted partitions, because anyone could break them, starting with the corporations who make the UEFI firmware! Right?
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245 [01:36:37] <Henry151> Hi #debian :) I'm experiencing some problems with Thunderbird/Enigmail/Gnupg and I found my way to this bug report: replaced-url
246 [01:36:38] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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249 [01:37:35] <Henry151> Basically, all I know for certain so far is that when I try to sign/encrypt a message using thunderbird, it says "no private key" -- I haven't confirmed that my issue is caused by this bug, I just suspect it.
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251 [01:37:57] <Henry151> I have confirmed that I have the private key, and that I'm able to encrypt/decrypt messages manually on the command line with gnupg.
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257 [01:40:10] <AlexLikeRock> hi
258 [01:40:17] <Henry151> hi AlexLikeRock
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277 [01:57:51] <maxcell_> damm, help me out here, i just install debian stretch and i didn't remember how to chose between desktop managers. There is a command that do that like tasksell but i didn't remember
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283 [02:00:42] <rotaticus> maxcell_: aptitude search task- should lead the direction i dont know the exact name
284 [02:00:59] <maxcell_> it isn't tasksel
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289 [02:01:56] <rotaticus> its task-kde for example
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291 [02:03:35] <maxcell_> it isn't its a simple command that allows you to switch between window managers
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293 [02:04:09] <maxcell_> it popups up a screen and you simply select the desktop manager you want between those you already have. Like on the installation
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295 [02:04:51] <maxcell_> brb
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342 [02:29:55] <Henry151> so, I'm going to go poke my head in to #thunderbird and see if I can catch any help over there
343 [02:30:07] <Henry151> unless somebody around here wants to give me a hand
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385 [02:55:25] <maxcell_> i've installed gnome-shell and kde in Debian net install. How can i remove gnome-shell with default apps that comes with him?
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399 [03:00:59] <teo_> sameone can told me how can Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list?
400 [03:01:16] <maxcell_> you just edit it
401 [03:01:36] <maxcell_> and put contrib non-free after "main"
402 [03:01:41] <maxcell_> before*
403 [03:01:46] <juon> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
404 [03:01:55] <maxcell_> debian.org main contrib non-free - save
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407 [03:03:15] <teo_> nano and gedit is the same ?
408 [03:03:16] <maxcell_> How can i uninstall gnome-shell meta package along with all app's it installed by default. I'm in a fresh installed debian 9.
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410 [03:03:59] <juon> teo, it's the same, it's your choice
411 [03:04:02] <juon> I'm like nano
412 [03:04:07] <teo_> ok
413 [03:04:15] <maxcell_> you need to be root tho
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416 [03:04:36] <juon> teo_, yes, you can. but it's a system file
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418 [03:05:27] <maxcell_> How can i remove the meta package that install gnome-shell along with gtk app's in the debian-netinstall?
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427 [03:08:08] <teo_> have someone acer aspire 1705 laptop with nvidia fx gforce 5600 ?
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429 [03:09:07] <maxcell_> i think i'm going to reinstall debian from scretch
430 [03:09:18] <maxcell_> because i can't remove a metapackage haha
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436 [03:12:38] <maxcell_> How is the name of the metapackage that installs gnome-shell in debian-installer and how can i remove gnome-shell and everything that comes with him during the installation?
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438 [03:13:52] <juon> teo_, look
439 [03:13:57] <juon> teo_, replaced-url
440 [03:14:40] <teo_> i see
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443 [03:15:31] <maxcell_> teo_, if you have any doubts just ask we can help you
444 [03:15:57] <teo_> ok
445 [03:16:21] <teo_> how can i speak with whisper here ?
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450 [03:17:21] <juon> teo_, What is whisper ?
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452 [03:18:01] <teo_> a massage only to someone, not to all
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455 [03:18:37] <teo_> it dident ?
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458 [03:19:43] <niriven> Debian 9, perfect! Been running linux since 1999 and first time ever I just installed a distro and everything works out of the box :)
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460 [03:22:52] <juon> teo_, You can that you want
461 [03:22:57] <abrotman> max-m: probably
462 [03:23:01] <abrotman> max-m: probably "gnome"
463 [03:23:05] <abrotman> oh, he left
464 [03:23:10] <abrotman> max-m: sorry, mistab, apologies
465 [03:23:20] <juon> niriven, I think Debian 9, very good, too.
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480 [03:29:20] <rpw> Debian rocks. Just installed headless debian 9
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500 [03:43:19] <teo_> how can i make enable the nouveau blacklist?
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512 [03:51:05] <Henry151> hi debian
513 [03:51:23] <Henry151> I'm here replaced-url
514 [03:51:30] <Henry151> I have symptoms that match with the third item on the page
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516 [03:52:25] <Henry151> however, when I run pinentry in a terminal, I get replaced-url
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519 [03:54:11] <Henry151> anybody understand what that means?
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524 [03:59:53] <dvs> What package is kdm in now? Or did they rename it to something else?
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568 [04:27:04] <templar> Hello
569 [04:27:12] <templar> I am Templar
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574 [04:29:17] <templar> Oh hi
575 [04:29:19] <templar> New peeps
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583 [04:32:30] <templar> O
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688 [05:24:15] <rjsalts> dvs: there is no kdm anymore
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690 [05:24:35] <rjsalts> dvs: it's been replaced with another desktop manager. sddm
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692 [05:25:07] <dvs> ???
693 [05:25:41] <rjsalts> dvs: sorry display manager
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695 [05:25:49] <dvs> wow, I just installed lightdm-kde-greeter
696 [05:26:07] * dvs cries
697 [05:26:07] <rjsalts> dvs: you're talking about replaced-url
698 [05:26:15] <dvs> yes
699 [05:26:31] <dvs> That's a strange thing to get rid of
700 [05:26:44] <rjsalts> dvs: replaced-url
701 [05:27:11] <rjsalts> its even
702 [05:27:34] <dvs> alright, thanks
703 [05:27:37] <rjsalts> dvs: replaced-url
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707 [05:30:15] <rjsalts> dvs: so basically it sounds like some people who were in the KDE project thought it would be easier to write a display manager from scratch than porting kdm to Qt5
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711 [05:31:26] <dvs> rjsalts, That sounds reasonable but to give it a completely different name is a little baffling.
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714 [05:33:39] <rjsalts> yeah, I had to do a bit of research when kdm disappeared from sid
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755 [05:53:28] <maxcell_> what package i need to enable vdpau as a beckend to va-api?
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760 [05:57:21] <maxcell_> how do i see the comments about a package before install it?
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765 [06:00:30] <nkuttler> maxcell_: apt-cache show pkg
766 [06:00:47] <nkuttler> maxcell_: see also apt-cache search vdpau
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768 [06:02:11] <maxcell_> nkuttler, thanks, to be able to enable vdpau i need vdpau-driver or just libvdpau1?
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773 [06:04:11] <maxcell_> nkuttler, nvm i already have it working
774 [06:05:03] <maxcell_> just wonder how i can do to make vdpau work in movie players that only support va-api or gstreamer
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785 [06:12:34] <AN0NYM> is here a freenode IRC admin online?
786 [06:13:13] <|N|> AN0NYM: join #freenode
787 [06:13:35] <|N|> this is a debian channel
788 [06:13:54] <|N|> for freenode server specific helps,join #freenode
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798 [06:23:05] <jojoba> hey there
799 [06:23:07] <preview> I'm having issues with a virtual package being required but not present _anywhere_ it seems
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801 [06:23:11] <preview> "qtbase-abi-5-7-1"
802 [06:23:35] <rjsalts> preview: in buster/unstable?
803 [06:23:44] <preview> uh not as far as I can see
804 [06:23:52] <preview> running unstable atm
805 [06:23:53] <jojoba> how to change dconf profile on the fly?
806 [06:24:08] <preview> something borked a bunch of my apps
807 [06:24:10] <rjsalts> preview: it's in transition
808 [06:24:20] <preview> how do I install it?
809 [06:24:24] <preview> rjsalts:
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811 [06:25:56] <rjsalts> preview: You could check /var/cache/apt for old .deb files, or snapshot.debian.org if it's not there anymore. The folks on #debian-next oftc might have other ideas
812 [06:26:08] <preview> thanks
813 [06:26:19] <maxcell_> how can i get rid screen tearing while watching movies on debian9/kde/nvidia?
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815 [06:26:50] <maxcell_> that's dramaticly bad
816 [06:28:12] <preview> coincidentally I also have that problem
817 [06:28:46] <maxcell_> just copying the video to windows partition
818 [06:28:59] <maxcell_> fcking shit
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823 [06:30:15] <maxcell_> bye
824 [06:30:19] <preview> rip
825 [06:30:25] <preview> I'd just watch the thing
826 [06:30:31] <maxcell_> i can't
827 [06:30:36] <maxcell_> thats terrible
828 [06:30:53] <preview> rjsalts: no file in cache, and nothing on snapshots
829 [06:31:01] <preview> will ask on debian-next
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970 [08:08:21] <Henry151> so, I really want to have a phone I can trust
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973 [08:09:04] <Henry151> I feel like I can trust my laptop, because it's running debian, no flash, got noscript in firefox, it's an older piece of hardware, and the only non-free drivers it needs are for the wifi card.
974 [08:09:36] <Henry151> no mountains of proprietary garbage that could have all kinds of NSA backdoors or what-have-you.
975 [08:09:51] <Henry151> So what can I do to get my phone to be trustworthy too?
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980 [08:13:43] <iodev> Henry151: any nexus
981 [08:14:56] <Henry151> iodev: and then what do I run on it?
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983 [08:15:17] <iodev> custom built android
984 [08:15:30] <iodev> or lineage
985 [08:16:00] <XeonSquared> lineage + no google is nice
986 [08:16:43] <iodev> Henry151: just don't install google apps
987 [08:17:08] <iodev> and use F-Droid
988 [08:18:09] <garyb_uk> Problem is the cell modems have proprietary drivers / closed blobs to make them work, so fundamentally a phone shouldn't be trusted.
989 [08:18:24] <Henry151> I'm seeing the name "nexus" on phones made by LG, Motorola, Huwaei, and Asus .. forgive my ignorance but I don't know which you're referring to
990 [08:18:37] <Henry151> garyb_uk: that's the problem
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992 [08:18:40] <iodev> Henry151: any nexus, Nexus = no bloat
993 [08:18:52] <iodev> but it's not full open source
994 [08:18:59] <Henry151> hm.
995 [08:19:00] <XeonSquared> Some non-Nexus Motorola models are the same
996 [08:19:15] <XeonSquared> But you won't get a phone with fully libre firmware and software
997 [08:19:42] <iodev> XeonSquared: there is no such thing (that is mass produced anyway)
998 [08:19:45] <Henry151> I'm currently running a Samsung Note 4. but if I can't get fully libre firmware and software, than I'm not sure if I want to bother investing in a new phone and trying to go that way
999 [08:20:00] <iodev> no, just get a custom rom Henry151
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1004 [08:21:51] <Henry151> I mean maybe I'm foolish for thinking so, but I figure that the NSA can't watch my keystrokes or my screen, and that if I use a VPN or tor, I can confidently browse the internet knowing that I'm not being watched, on my debian on this Panasonic Toughbook CF-30
1005 [08:22:21] <Henry151> but I assume that they can look through my camera and listen to the microphone on my cellphone anytime they want
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1007 [08:22:26] <Henry151> and I'd like to not feel that way.
1008 [08:22:57] <XeonSquared> You can minimize the surface of such things, but you won't get it totally safe
1009 [08:23:07] <Haohmaru> if they can hear you breathing, they can obtain the keystrokes just from that ;P~
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1011 [08:23:24] <Henry151> lol
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1013 [08:24:02] <Henry151> did you guys hear about that exploit that used the led light on the front of desktops (the hdd access light) to transmit data out of a computer that's not network-connected?
1014 [08:24:22] <Henry151> it was like, if you get the malware into the computer, by infecting a usb thumb drive or something
1015 [08:24:41] <Henry151> then it can transmit data back out, using that flashing light, if you can get a camera trained on it through a window from across the street or wherever
1016 [08:24:50] <Henry151> crazy stuff
1017 [08:25:19] <Haohmaru> the bitrate would have to be very slow
1018 [08:25:22] <Henry151> I heard there are ways to use the speakers to transmit data in a spectrum that can't be heard by the human ear, as well
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1020 [08:25:43] <Haohmaru> sure
1021 [08:25:55] <Henry151> replaced-url
1022 [08:26:25] <Henry151> "the researchers found they could move data as fast as 4,000 bits a second, or close to a megabyte every half hour"
1023 [08:26:44] <Henry151> that's almost as fast as my internet connection XD
1024 [08:26:54] <Henry151> /exaggeration
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1026 [08:27:43] <Henry151> i hate wired, sorry for the bad source link
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1028 [08:28:05] <Henry151> wired has declared that bitcoin is dead three times now; I stopped reading them after the first time
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1030 [08:28:41] <Haohmaru> "We found that the small hard drive indicator LED can be controlled at up to 6,000 blinks per second."
1031 [08:29:15] <Haohmaru> yeah, you just need a 12000fps slowmo camera on that drone and you're good to go
1032 [08:30:18] <Henry151> i can just imagine all the james-bond mission-impossible situations where this would actually be useful/used
1033 [08:30:59] <Henry151> I'd be willing to gamble that nobody has ever used that technique for any actual theft of any actual data
1034 [08:32:20] <garyb_uk> someone should reverse malware by creating a controller that blinks some malicious code back to whoever is snooping :)
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1036 [08:32:42] <Haohmaru> muhaha
1037 [08:33:29] <Haohmaru> imma put an xmas tree next to my computer
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1039 [08:34:57] <Haohmaru> you could pimp up your LED with a capacitor, it'll get rid of very short blinks
1040 [08:35:09] <Henry151> back on debian topic; i'm running i3 and the little indicator says "no IPv6" ... why would that be?
1041 [08:35:17] <Haohmaru> and will also effectively limit the eventual bitrate
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1043 [08:35:50] <Henry151> i mean i realize it would indicate that i'm not connected with ipv6
1044 [08:35:54] <Henry151> but why not?
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1066 [08:52:14] <amdp> hi, I have a question about apt-get if this is the wrong channel please advise the right one. Question: command option "apt-get -y" will eventually say yes to removing old configuration files and installing updated versions? Like when updating php or mysql will it say "yes" and remove the old configuration even if default is "no"?
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1085 [09:04:57] <rpd_> amdp: not too sure but default dpkg configuration in debian prevents overwriting of current configuration files if they differ from the new configuration, even with 'apt-get install -y ...' as far as I know, but do check again in debian manuals...
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1094 [09:12:54] <Haohmaru> for a reason, i need an older version of a certain program, but i only see the newest version in synaptic
1095 [09:13:35] <Haohmaru> does that mean i have to build it myself?
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1098 [09:15:26] <nku> Haohmaru: probably.
1099 [09:15:54] <Haohmaru> oh well
1100 [09:16:17] <Haohmaru> then i'd build the new version directly
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1105 [09:19:26] <s0nH4cK> Haohmaru: did you tried apt-get package=version?
1106 [09:19:56] <Haohmaru> uh, nope.. i try to use synaptic
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1109 [09:20:39] <s0nH4cK> apt-get install package=version, sorry
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1119 [09:25:16] <Haohmaru> s0nH4cK, do i have to uninstall the current version before trying that out?
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1121 [09:26:41] <s0nH4cK> probably... anyway, apt-get will guide you through the process. In case there are some dependencies, it will prompt
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1123 [09:28:23] <Haohmaru> nope, says it can't find it (but i'm guessing the version)
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1152 [09:40:59] <ee1> Hey boys. How do I proxify all my traffic threw one certain proxy? Any easy method to just implement in debian rather than on the browser? :)
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1156 [09:41:15] <medusaXX> Hi
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1160 [09:42:13] <medusaXX> I'm looking for an easy way to reenable TLS 1.0 + 1.1 on testing...
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1166 [09:44:20] <rudi_s> medusaXX: Recompile the package I guess.
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1174 [09:45:57] <Savemech_> Guys, there is no patches for replaced-url
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1179 [09:46:47] <preview> does anyone have a .deb of qtbase-abi-5-7-0? I need it for kde pacakges but it's not available online
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1187 [09:50:00] <medusaXX> rudi_s: I'm not sure whether I would count this as "easy"
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1189 [09:51:22] <medusaXX> Was it actually Kurt Roeckx private decision to remove support or were there other people involved? can't understand this
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1194 [09:55:43] <rudi_s> medusaXX: I guess that's the point to try to force older implementations to upgrade. - I don't know whose decision it was. - Personally I can understand the intention (TLS 1.0/1.1 are broken and should be replaced) but I don't like this being forced on all users who often don't have a choice to decide which servers they talk to.
1195 [09:56:16] <rudi_s> If you want to change it back, comment in an existing bug report for libssl or create a new one if none exists.
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1198 [09:57:50] <jelly> judd: whatprovides qtbase-abi-5-7-0
1199 [09:57:52] <judd> No packages provide 'qtbase-abi-5-7-0' in stretch/amd64.
1200 [09:58:05] <jelly> preview: which debian release is that supposed to come from
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1202 [09:58:09] <medusaXX> That's the point. Users now miss emails and have all sorts of other hazzle because someone decides to be the ssl superhero
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1205 [09:58:44] <medusaXX> I'll fill in that report, thanks for the advice
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1211 [10:01:35] <jelly> preview: which debian release do you have installed? that does not seem to be provided by any package in stretch
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1216 [10:03:36] <rudi_s> Savemech: Patches?
1217 [10:03:44] <rudi_s> What are you looking for.
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1221 [10:05:19] <preview> jelly: it's meant to come from qt5core5a? but I've installed that and packages are still trying to get qtbase-abi-x-x-x
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1243 [10:19:40] <ee1> Hey boys. How do I proxify all my traffic threw one certain proxy? Any easy method to just implement in debian rather than on the browser?
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1246 [10:22:04] <jolt> ee1: I'll give you a starting point: replaced-url
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1249 [10:22:28] <jolt> ee1: Oh, this was just a single box?
1250 [10:22:50] <xand> that's not gonna work for https though
1251 [10:23:09] <jolt> True that. Maybe configuration of the browser is better anyway
1252 [10:23:43] <jolt> ee1: Setup a proxy, configure your system to use that proxy for all protocols via http_proxy/https_proxy variables?
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1254 [10:24:31] <jelly> preview: again, which debian release do you have installed? Seeing as you're asking in #debian-next as well
1255 [10:24:43] <preview> yeah I'm running unstable
1256 [10:24:46] <preview> jelly:
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1258 [10:24:58] <preview> I was hoping someone would have this .deb somewhere
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1260 [10:25:50] <jelly> preview: it doesn't even exist in debian 9 release, where
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1262 [10:25:57] <jelly> ,provides libqt5core5a
1263 [10:25:58] <judd> Package libqt5core5a in stretch/amd64 provides: qtbase-abi-5-7-1.
1264 [10:26:17] <preview> yes, I have that installed and yet plasma-workspace explicitly depends on qtbase-abi
1265 [10:26:27] <jelly> preview: so you'll probably have to dig in somewhere before stretch release
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1268 [10:26:58] <jelly> or just wait, it's unstable, migrations happen
1269 [10:27:34] <mattgirv> Yeah, I had the same issue on sid a couple of weeks back
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1271 [10:27:46] <mattgirv> was just a repo that hadn't updated all related packages at the same time
1272 [10:28:00] <mattgirv> though that seems less likely with Stretch tbf
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1274 [10:28:48] <jelly> this kind of thing should never happen on stable
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1276 [10:29:13] <mattgirv> Nope, unless you're pulling in other repos/mixing and matching, definitely shouldn't happen out of the box
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1278 [10:29:25] <iodev> does debian have spicy (I want to run Windows in QEMU)
1279 [10:30:02] <jelly> iodev: dunno, did you try to: apt-cache search spicy
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1282 [10:32:39] <iodev> jelly: nvm, turns out I should use virt-viewer
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1293 [10:42:33] <ee1> jolt: Yes, just setup a proxy for the system to proxify everything I do
1294 [10:42:57] <iodev> ee1: why proxy?
1295 [10:43:02] <ee1> jolt: That link you sent didn
1296 [10:43:02] <iodev> why not a vpn?
1297 [10:43:13] <ee1> Faster internet with proxy
1298 [10:43:18] <preview> jelly: "You have searched for packages that names contain qtbase-abi in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. " it hoesntly doesn't seem to exist?
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1302 [10:47:25] <ee1> jolt
1303 [10:47:32] <ee1> jolt: That link didnt give me much
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1307 [10:51:41] <Tracker> hi, I have a problem with 4g usb dongle and raspberry pi 3 router with raspian strech.. 4g as ppp0 local lan eth0 everything works in normal ipv4 addresses routing iptables has nat on and fw rules for allowing packets and denying the rest but allowing multicast from all interfaces. i have igmpproxy on and it receives the multicast ip maddr show shows multicast addresses found eth0 and ppp0 but its not working for finnish watson iptv
1308 [10:51:57] <Tracker> unicast works when using that same watson service..
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1313 [10:53:03] <will> hello, i just installed debian using the DVD#1
1314 [10:53:18] <will> no wifi capabilities and i tried apt update
1315 [10:53:21] <Agiofws> hello
1316 [10:53:22] <will> failed
1317 [10:53:36] <apollo13> well, put in a network cable
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1319 [10:53:45] <apollo13> otherwise apt-update will not like you :)
1320 [10:53:45] <will> thats what im using :)
1321 [10:53:51] <apollo13> then define "failed"
1322 [10:54:13] <davidd4y> why did I auto-connect to this channel ?
1323 [10:54:17] <will> E: The repository 'cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 9.1.0 _Stretch_ - Official amd64 DVD Binary-1 20170722-11:31] stretch Release' does not have a Release file.
1324 [10:54:22] <davidd4y> even I didn't set this chan to be autojoin ?
1325 [10:54:39] <Agiofws> just got a new host at work here its hosts windows 10 does this mean thats its gota a new GPT partition? and how can i find out? does windows 10 oblige you to have a gpt partition instead of an mbr and how friendly is it with debian/linux
1326 [10:54:56] <apollo13> will: if you no longer want to use the dvd, open /etc/apt/sources.list and comment out the disk entry
1327 [10:54:58] <Agiofws> thank you
1328 [10:55:19] <apollo13> Agiofws: afaik yes and gpt is not problem for linux
1329 [10:55:23] <will> im coming from Mint. How come `sudo apt update` doesnt work
1330 [10:55:43] <will> I thought tthat was the same across debian based oses
1331 [10:55:43] <apollo13> will: please read what I wrote
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1333 [10:55:48] <klys> what is the uefi bootloader for debian?
1334 [10:55:54] <will> oh
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1336 [10:56:12] <apollo13> klys: whatever grub installs?! :)
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1338 [10:56:25] <klys> apollo13, grub-efi, you mean?
1339 [10:56:34] <klys> grub is not uefi compatible.
1340 [10:56:49] <apollo13> potato potato…
1341 [10:56:56] <apollo13> it is still "grub" in that sense
1342 [10:57:47] <will> apollo13, commented it out, updated nothing and upgraded nothing :(
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1344 [10:58:38] <will> and tapping on touchpad doesnt work for clicking. I have to click the hard button, which is annoying. I was hoping apt update would install drivers or something to fix this
1345 [10:58:48] <will> i really need wifi here:(
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1347 [10:59:41] <apollo13> will: well for wifi you need to install the firmware packages first
1348 [10:59:47] <apollo13> how does your sources.list look like now?
1349 [10:59:50] <klys> will, deb [arch=amd64,i386] replaced-url
1350 [10:59:55] <will> everything is commented out
1351 [11:00:16] <apollo13> you shouldn't comment everything out…
1352 [11:00:16] <apollo13> replaced-url
1353 [11:00:36] <apollo13> you want to use the internet sources after all :)
1354 [11:00:43] <will> everything but one line was commented out when i opened it
1355 [11:00:44] <apollo13> and apt update does not install drivers
1356 [11:00:53] <apollo13> it doesn't install __anything__
1357 [11:00:58] <will> that one line was the one referring to the dvd
1358 [11:01:02] <apollo13> that is what upgrade is for, and even that won't magically install drivers
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1360 [11:01:10] <apollo13> well then uncomment the other deb/deb-src lines
1361 [11:01:14] <will> sorry i meant upgrade
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1363 [11:01:50] <apollo13> you probably want your sources.list look like the second example in the link that I posted
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1366 [11:02:42] <will> yay update and upgrade work now
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1368 [11:02:50] <will> now, about that firmware
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1371 [11:03:11] <apollo13> figure out what hardware you have and install the missing parts accordingly
1372 [11:03:39] <will> and, apollo13 the installer commented out all those other lines bacause "they failed to verify"
1373 [11:03:45] <will> i installed without internet
1374 [11:03:49] <will> i guess thats why
1375 [11:03:58] <apollo13> might be
1376 [11:04:12] <apollo13> I usually debootstrap or use a network install, so no experience there
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1378 [11:04:55] <klys> debootsrap fails to get apt installed last time I tried it
1379 [11:05:11] <klys> not that I want to try it again today...
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1385 [11:06:34] <will> `W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8107e-2.fw for module r8169`
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1387 [11:06:46] <nadersith> good morning
1388 [11:06:51] <klys> hi
1389 [11:06:56] <will> about 20 lines with similar text. so i go look for the relevant files or something?
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1392 [11:07:32] <babilen> will: Install the firmware-realtek package (if you need that firmware, but it might be a false positive)
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1395 [11:07:41] <dokma> I'm getting abysmal write speed from my crypto plotter. The plotter is rendering the data at about a GB/s but the data gets written at about 5MB/s.
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1397 [11:08:06] <dokma> If I do dd of=test with a GB it writes at about 120MB/s.
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1399 [11:08:26] <dokma> But with the plotter kworker is constantly doing something at about 5MB/s.
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1401 [11:08:36] <babilen> will: I'd also strongly recommend to install either the intel-microcode or amd64-microcode package depending on your processor (Intel and AMD respectively)
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1407 [11:09:34] <vlasy> Hi, is there a way how to install an older version of package which is in package repo's "pool" but not listed in Packages?
1408 [11:10:08] <klys> vlasy, dpkg -i file.deb
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1410 [11:10:35] <babilen> dpkg: tell will -about apt-file
1411 [11:10:44] <babilen> dpkg: tell will about microcode
1412 [11:10:51] <vlasy> klys: So wget the deb file and install it like this. I know about this solution, just wanted to make sure there is no "better practice" in this case
1413 [11:10:54] <klys> or you can try the flags that the potato installer used to use: dpkg -iGREB file.deb
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1419 [11:14:32] <will> babilen, definitely not a false positive. I have no wifi, probably because those are missing
1420 [11:15:08] <will> if i were to burn the other 2 supplementary install dvds to a flash rive, how do i
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1423 [11:15:20] <will> install all the extra stuff on them
1424 [11:15:33] <klys> will, what firmware do you need?
1425 [11:15:35] <babilen> will: Define "extra stuff" ?
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1429 [11:16:16] <will> replaced-url
1430 [11:16:21] <babilen> will: I'd recommend to simply get your wifi going .. my standard approach would be to install with a netinstall installer with firmware, but you could just download the firmware-realtek .deb and install it manually with "dpkg -i" now
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1432 [11:16:41] <babilen> You are probably also missing a bunch of other network related packages (as you configured the box without network)
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1434 [11:16:47] <babilen> dpkg: firmware image
1435 [11:16:47] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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1438 [11:17:38] <will> amd64b means 64 bit cpu, not amd rocessor right
1439 [11:17:52] <will> amd64*
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1441 [11:18:42] <rotaticus> correct
1442 [11:19:04] <babilen> will: In the context of microcode or the installer?
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1444 [11:19:30] <will> microcode
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1450 [11:20:51] <babilen> will: The amd64-microcode package "contains microcode patches for all AMD AMD64 processors" (cf. "apt-cache show amd64-microcode")
1451 [11:21:00] <klys> will, replaced-url
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1453 [11:21:51] <will> babilen, installed that .deb file. Do i need to reboot or anything
1454 [11:22:19] <babilen> The realtek firmware?
1455 [11:22:33] <will> and im wondering why in the terminal here, sudo apt update does not elevate my user to root like in Mint
1456 [11:22:42] <will> babilen, yes
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1458 [11:22:48] <klys> will, replaced-url
1459 [11:22:51] <babilen> Did you configure sudo for your user?
1460 [11:23:16] <will> no; again, im coming from mint. here i was forced to run as su
1461 [11:23:22] <babilen> will: Reloading the module in question might be enough, but a reboot would result in it being reloaded as well.
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1463 [11:23:35] <babilen> will: What is the output of "lspci -nn|grep -i network" ?
1464 [11:23:49] <dokma> I think I figured out the slow write speed of the plotter. The plotter preallocates 1TB and then writes huge amounts of data all over the 1TB so I assume the low speed is due to the heads jumping around all the time...
1465 [11:23:52] <will> klys, already installed that
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1467 [11:24:01] <klys> will, yes, then reboot
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1469 [11:24:19] <babilen> will: You will have to configure sudo if you want to use it. The easiest way to achieve "full root" for your user is to add it to the "sudo" group with "adduser YOURUSER sudo"
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1471 [11:24:24] <babilen> dpkg: sudoers
1472 [11:24:24] <dpkg> From Debian 6.0 "Squeeze" onwards, you can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for <sudo> by adding yourself to the "sudo" group: "adduser your_username sudo". See the man pages indicated by "apropos sudo" for more information.
1473 [11:24:31] <will> babilen, 03:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 [8086:08b4] (rev 93)
1474 [11:24:44] <babilen> will: that doesn't look like a realtek card at all
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1477 [11:25:29] <will> the wifi card is realtek
1478 [11:25:37] <babilen> will: To use that card you need Intel's firmware, which is packaged as firmware-iwlwifi
1479 [11:25:55] <will> hmmm odd. I thought i used to see it as a realtek card in windows
1480 [11:26:26] <babilen> will: It literally says "Intel Corporation Wireless 3160" so I'd say that you have an Intel adaptor .. but feel free to paste the output of "lspci -nn" to replaced-url
1481 [11:26:40] <babilen> You might have a realtek ethernet card
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1484 [11:27:48] <will> ^ye sthat might be it
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1486 [11:28:09] <will> i swear in windows i used to see realtek in the network center or whatever its called
1487 [11:28:38] <will> alright i'll reboot and see whether this works
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1489 [11:29:01] <babilen> ...
1490 [11:29:23] <babilen> Not sure if will installed the intel firmware, but I guess we'll find out soon
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1500 [11:34:40] <will_> awesome guys my wifi works now
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1502 [11:34:49] <babilen> yay
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1504 [11:35:03] <will_> now how about this issue with my touchpad. I cant click by tapping it
1505 [11:35:10] <will_> i kinda suspect its a hardware issue
1506 [11:35:19] <klys> will, in /proc/interrupts, do you see iwlwifi or realtek?
1507 [11:35:20] <will_> but i never noticed it till i got off Mint
1508 [11:35:38] <babilen> Does "synclient TapButton1=1" enable it?
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1510 [11:37:02] <babilen> will_: ^
1511 [11:37:21] <will_> klys, iwlwifi
1512 [11:37:28] <klys> will_ thanks
1513 [11:37:55] <will_> command not found, babilen
1514 [11:38:11] <klys> that's probably an option for xorg.conf
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1516 [11:38:28] <will_> and how can i map ctrl + alt + t to launch the terminal like mint does
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1520 [11:39:02] <flashdel> hi folks! I upgraded a few of my VMs to debian jessie with kernel 3.2.0-4-amd64, running on my kvm/libvirt hypervisor with kernel version 3.16.0-4-amd64. Since the upgrade, it seems that my command " ionice -c 3 rsync --server -logtpre.iLsfx --delete . /var/replaced-url
1521 [11:39:13] <babilen> klys: Sure, we can persist it once we figured out that it's the right option
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1523 [11:39:32] <klys> will_, what was your mint desktop? what desktop are you using on debian?
1524 [11:39:44] <babilen> will_: Could you install the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package and try again?
1525 [11:39:53] <babilen> Curious that it hasn't been installed already
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1527 [11:40:10] <babilen> You might have to restart your X server
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1530 [11:40:57] <klys> the xorg.conf options are kept in /usr/{share,lib}/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1531 [11:41:15] <babilen> Please DO NOT edit files in /usr/{share,lib}/X11/xorg.conf.d/
1532 [11:41:20] <will_> klys, I was using Mate at times and cinnamon
1533 [11:41:38] <will_> i think what im using here is mate?
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1535 [11:41:49] <will_> I remember choosing both at installation
1536 [11:41:53] <babilen> So, can you run that command now?
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1542 [11:45:16] <will_> babilen, it was unstalled
1543 [11:45:28] <will_> I just uninstalled completely
1544 [11:45:35] <babilen> What?
1545 [11:45:40] <will_> but when i searched for it the exact one didnt show
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1547 [11:45:46] <will_> so im going to look fir it online
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1549 [11:45:54] <will_> xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
1550 [11:46:00] <babilen> You uninstalled xserver-xorg-input-synaptics ?
1551 [11:46:13] <will_> what i found in package manager was xserver-xorg-input-wacom
1552 [11:46:19] <will_> yes i uninstalled that
1553 [11:46:26] <babilen> Why?
1554 [11:46:27] <will_> somehowmy touchpad still works
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1557 [11:46:50] <will_> babilen, simply to reinstall
1558 [11:47:06] <babilen> And you did that, tried the command I mentioned earlier and it still doesn't work?
1559 [11:47:06] <will_> in case it might restore tap to click functionality
1560 [11:47:19] <will_> console returns command not found
1561 [11:47:20] <babilen> Tap to click is off by default
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1566 [11:48:03] <babilen> will_: Could you paste the output of "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-input-synaptics", "ls -lah /usr/bin/synclient" and "egrep -i 'synap|alps|etps|elan' /proc/bus/input/devices" to replaced-url
1567 [11:48:04] <rotaticus> will_: it would have been purge not uninstall to delete configurations
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1576 [11:51:46] <will_> babilen, replaced-url
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1578 [11:53:41] <will_> now when i run synclient command, it returns: Couldn't find synaptics properties. No synaptics driver loaded?
1579 [11:53:46] <will_> babilen
1580 [11:54:13] <babilen> Yeah, it's not a synaptics touchpad, but an elantech one (see last grep)
1581 [11:54:37] <will_> ooh
1582 [11:54:40] <will_> missed that
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1584 [11:55:05] <babilen> I have to run now, but you want to read up on libinput (check your Xorg.0.log for the actual driver that is being loaded for your touchpad) and how to set touch to clock with, say, xinput and elantech touchpads in general
1585 [11:55:19] <will_> alright, thank you very much
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1587 [11:57:05] <babilen> Start with "xinput list", then "xinput list-props YOUR_DEVICE" and set the corresponding property with "xinput set-prop DEVICE VALUE"
1588 [11:57:17] <babilen> meow
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1627 [12:21:54] <DK2> i have a cronjob running that is writing into a logfile:
1628 [12:21:56] <DK2> /usr/bin/php -f /var/replaced-url
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1631 [12:22:18] <DK2> however it fails: /var/replaced-url
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1633 [12:22:29] <DK2> the cron.log resides in the directory and has 0kb
1634 [12:22:40] <DK2> any ideas?
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1642 [12:26:22] <rjsalts> DK2: Is that a dangling symlink?
1643 [12:28:41] <DK2> not a symlink
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1649 [12:34:00] <themill> DK2: the two paths you posted are different
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1670 [12:48:28] <nwe> what is the right way to add multiple ip on an interface via /etc/networks/interfaces?
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1672 [12:49:00] <nwe> is it too add 3-statement of iface ethX inet static ?
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1677 [12:50:39] <gpunk> yes
1678 [12:51:07] <gpunk> eth0:0 eth0:1 etc
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1681 [12:54:42] <DK2> themill they are different, but that file still exists
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1692 [13:03:20] <rotaticus> DK2: it seems, php wants to write to the dir the .php is started? totally not knowing /usr/bin/php
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1704 [13:09:51] <themill> DK2: them being different is either the problem or is impossible
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1706 [13:11:26] <DK2> thanks, ill try
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1712 [13:14:59] <bitlan> hello, i have issus with bonded 10G NIC LR-LINK and switch nexus 3000. On nexus 3k i see flowcontrol RX paused ( i never use flowcontrol)
1713 [13:15:02] <bitlan> any ideas?
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1736 [13:27:45] <andre144k_> hi all
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1741 [13:30:39] <gpunk> hi
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1743 [13:31:19] <andre144k_> anyone knows how to "sort" in special way? replaced-url
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1746 [13:32:16] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
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1748 [13:32:49] <babilen> BluesKaj: How can we help you?
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1750 [13:33:03] <jelly> andre144k_: sort tool has -t and -k options, try -t: -k2,2
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1752 [13:33:47] <andre144k_> jelly, thx ill have a look
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1754 [13:36:27] <BluesKaj> babilen, well, my whole desktop /kde/plasma is about to be removed if i try to remove any default apps with apt, replaced-url
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1757 [13:38:05] <babilen> BluesKaj: You might want to consider installing a "smaller" metapackage and/or marking suitable packages as manually installed
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1759 [13:38:11] <babilen> dpkg: tell BluesKaj about install kde
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1762 [13:38:48] <BluesKaj> aptitude left me wondering whether it was bout to do the same think altho with different messages
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1772 [13:41:35] <Nomad0> Its probably horrible but Id just let it do it.. its only taking the three, you can apt-get install a clean up copy paste of that and they'll never have left
1773 [13:42:45] <BluesKaj> babilen,, I used the netinstall and chose the kde desktop in the normal manner with the spacebar etc., been running debian 9 for about 3 months, this drastic bug has never happened before. I did a clean install 3 days ago to a new hdd. and thsi new bug suddenly showed up..
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1778 [13:43:49] <andre144k_> jelly, -k2 is working great thnx
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1787 [13:47:20] <babilen> BluesKaj: It's not a bug but expected behaviour and has been this way for many years
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1792 [13:49:21] <BluesKaj> babilen, that''s odd, because I removed kmail some PIM packages, pulseaudio etc in my first install without this problem
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1794 [13:49:36] <BluesKaj> using apt
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1801 [13:50:49] <babilen> BluesKaj: See above for ways to handle this
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1803 [13:53:10] <Nomad0> dpkg: tell Nomad0 about debuild
1804 [13:53:28] <Nomad0> I'm with dpkg.. idk wtf this is either
1805 [13:53:56] <boxrick> Good afternoon peops, have many people had success with FirewallD? I have typically disabled it and stuck with IPTables but I am wondering how good / bad it actually is.
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1810 [13:56:19] <Nomad0> export CFLAGS="-g -02 -m32"
1811 [13:57:19] <gpunk> boxrick: I like it alot
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1815 [13:58:58] <Nomad0> oh crap sorry folks :)
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1817 [13:59:13] <BluesKaj> babilen, I think this explains the problem quite clearly replaced-url
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1821 [14:00:06] <boxrick> Reading through the docs, much of it seems to make a lot of sense. Being able to define a service with a set amount of ports etc seems really nice
1822 [14:00:12] <Nomad0> cant figure why debuild fails.. any logs somewhere? replaced-url
1823 [14:00:19] <boxrick> However cannot see any implicit direction anywhere yet
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1840 [14:09:58] <Nomad0> dpkg: tell nomad0 about dh
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1848 [14:17:30] <rozie> hi. I would like to install Debian (Stretch) on my Seagate Dockstar
1849 [14:17:51] <rozie> I know that it's supported by normal installer and this is the way I'd like to use
1850 [14:18:15] <rozie> but I can't find any detailed howto. do you know any?
1851 [14:18:23] <jelly> Nomad0: which release are you trying to backport mesa to
1852 [14:18:29] <Nomad0> buster
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1854 [14:18:39] <jelly> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
1855 [14:18:40] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 17.1.5-1; experimental: 17.2.0~rc3-1
1856 [14:19:06] <Nomad0> Its my understanding they dont have gallium
1857 [14:19:13] <jelly> Nomad0: best ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net (= irc.debian.org)
1858 [14:19:27] <jelly> different irc server and network, not freenode
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1860 [14:19:35] * Nomad0 nods
1861 [14:19:38] <Nomad0> ok thanks
1862 [14:19:48] <Nomad0> didnt irc.debian.org used to lead here?
1863 [14:20:00] <jelly> 13 years ago
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1865 [14:20:10] <Nomad0> Ahh well I'm 40 in sept :)
1866 [14:20:21] <Nomad0> Still never had a job doing this crap either lol
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1870 [14:22:45] <Nomad0> Ok well thanks jelly o/
1871 [14:22:45] <rozie> replaced-url
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1900 [14:33:18] <grauzikas> Hello, with centos and kickstart i can use kernel arguments (--apend) to send and get from /proc/cmdline to kickstart arguments
1901 [14:33:34] <grauzikas> is there anything similar with debian/ubuntu with preseed ?
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1943 [14:51:59] <rjsalts> grauzikas: yes
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1945 [14:53:16] <rjsalts> grauzikas: replaced-url
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1949 [14:56:41] <grauzikas> rjsalts: thank you, ill check that
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1959 [15:03:00] <BluesKaj> babilen,, i managed to get rid of my so called problem and just ran with it, no more libreoffice, but that was just bloatware on my system anyway
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1961 [15:03:36] <jhutchins> nO0b: That's still a valid address, oftc.net hosts irc.debian.net, population is split/shared between the two networks.
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1963 [15:03:56] <jhutchins> nO0b: Nevermind, that was someone else.
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1989 [15:23:06] <babilen> BluesKaj: You shouldn't install the kde-standard package if you don't want all packages it depends on
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1992 [15:26:13] <BluesKaj> babilen, this situation caught me by surprise because the previous installation didn't show anything like this when I removed default apps like kmail, and I use the same installation method on both
1993 [15:26:55] <BluesKaj> used
1994 [15:26:58] <babilen> If you installed the same metapackages the resulting behaviour would be the same, either way .. just install what you want and not packages you do not
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1996 [15:29:00] <BluesKaj> how, the only choice is a general choice like default debin deskt op or kde and other DEs in the list using the netinstall, there's no metapackage choices
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1999 [15:31:00] <babilen> I wouldn't install a desktop environment during the initial installation, but pick the packages I want later on
2000 [15:31:10] <babilen> Or, well, just accept the set of software I installed
2001 [15:31:28] <babilen> It's a common problem that hasn't really been addressed in a long time
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2004 [15:32:42] <babilen> (cf. replaced-url
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2083 [16:15:13] <Bliepo> When I enable mod_ssl_ct on my Apache I get this error: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/mod_ssl_ct.so: undefined symbol: EVP_MD_CTX_free
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2085 [16:16:15] <Bliepo> According to replaced-url
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2087 [16:16:51] <ksk> Bliepo: should. Where do you have that module from? Official Debian Packages?
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2092 [16:17:44] <Bliepo> ksk: no, it's not an official Debian package. It's for certificate transparency (which I desparetly want). I got it here: replaced-url
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2094 [16:18:45] <ksk> ,versions openssl
2095 [16:18:46] <judd> Package: openssl on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.0.1e-2+deb7u20; wheezy-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb7u2; jessie: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-security: 1.0.1t-1+deb8u6; jessie-backports: 1.0.2l-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 1.1.0f-3; buster: 1.1.0f-4; sid: 1.1.0f-4
2096 [16:18:59] <ksk> "Build httpd as you normally would, ensuring that you have OpenSSL 1.0.2-beta3 or later"
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2098 [16:19:46] <ksk> Bliepo: do you meet this and other requirements that are stated at github?
2099 [16:20:13] <Bliepo> 1.1.0f-4 > 1.0.2 right?
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2102 [16:21:36] <ksk> yes. No Idea then, maybe you should ask apache people
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2104 [16:22:03] <Bliepo> Ok, thanks for the help!
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2107 [16:23:20] <ksk> (you did google the erorr, didn't you ;)
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2110 [16:24:03] <Bliepo> I did google it myesh
2111 [16:24:35] <ksk> replaced-url
2112 [16:24:46] <ksk> ah thats what you pasted. mhm
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2127 [16:30:36] <kaimo> hello all
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2130 [16:32:20] <kaimo> i was surfing got board and shutdown ive since rebooted and my sound has vanished i open volume controla dn yu can see teh sound "bouncing" but i can thear anyhting
2131 [16:32:43] <kaimo> how would i provide more info to get clsoe to a fix it was workign to begin with fresh install today
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2136 [16:34:31] <Bliepo> kaimo: your sentences are hard to understand, please make your sentences understandable
2137 [16:34:41] <Bliepo> But in short: you rebooted and sound stopped working?
2138 [16:34:49] <kaimo> bingo
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2143 [16:35:27] <Bliepo> Did you install any updates?
2144 [16:35:54] <kaimo> i have done " sudo apt-get update && upgrade" yes
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2147 [16:36:49] <Bliepo> Then I reckon the problem is due to the update somewhere. Unfortunately, I'm no expert on sound, so someone else will need to help.
2148 [16:37:11] <kaimo> you got any thing i can google while i wait?
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2150 [16:37:26] <kaimo> half teh battle it getting he search term corrct
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2155 [16:38:08] <Bliepo> Well, I know that in Ubuntu there was something to do with secure boot and proprietary drivers, but I don't know whether it's the same for Debian
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2160 [16:38:39] <ksk> Bliepo: I found this one useful: replaced-url
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2162 [16:39:01] <kaimo> i dont believe i have any proprietary driversty
2163 [16:39:14] <kaimo> nps tyvm
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2175 [16:47:01] <webley> hi
2176 [16:47:24] <webley> So I got multiple tar files (.tar.001; .tar.002; tar.003; tar....)
2177 [16:47:28] <webley> how can I extract them all?
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2179 [16:47:34] <webley> 17 of them
2180 [16:47:36] <klys> cat
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2183 [16:49:26] <jelly> webley: probably cat foo.tar.??? | tar tvf -
2184 [16:49:50] <jelly> (if that works, replace t with x to actually extract instead of just list)
2185 [16:49:58] <klys> xpvf
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2188 [16:50:51] <webley> cat foo.tar.??? | tar xpvf -
2189 [16:50:53] <webley> like that?
2190 [16:51:05] <klys> yes
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2195 [16:52:07] <webley> thanks
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2204 [16:53:56] <webley> How can I rename all subfolders with name "foo" to "bar"? :)
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2206 [16:54:04] <webley> even if they are nested two levels deep
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2210 [16:55:36] <jelly> webley: show an example, perhaps, with some folders you want renamed and some you don't want renamed
2211 [16:55:42] <jelly> !pate
2212 [16:55:44] <jelly> !paste
2213 [16:55:50] <jelly> !paste
2214 [16:55:50] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2216 [16:56:02] <Ceelyne> hello
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2219 [16:56:11] <jelly> dpkg, tell webley about using find
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2222 [16:56:55] <klys> find . -type d | while read a; do if [ grep ... ]; then mv $a `echo $a | sed -e "s/foo/bar/"`; fi; done
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2224 [16:57:35] <jelly> /o\
2225 [16:58:41] * jelly gives klys a -print0 and also xargs -0 prename
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2230 [17:00:45] <jelly> klys: here, have a mkdir 'foo; rm -rf '
2231 [17:01:06] <klys> that looks dangerous
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2233 [17:01:24] <jelly> it's just a directory name
2234 [17:01:33] <klys> hah
2235 [17:01:49] <jelly> your proposed code is dangerous, not the name :-)
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2242 [17:02:40] <klys> s/then mv/then echo mv/
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2246 [17:03:32] <jelly> (there's a number of issues there, I bet #bash would bother to enumerate them all if you ask nicely)
2247 [17:03:51] <klys> webley, #bash
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2254 [17:05:07] <fujisan> replaced-url
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2256 [17:05:39] <fujisan> hellois anyonehere>:
2257 [17:05:45] <jelly> yes.
2258 [17:05:47] <jelly> !ask
2259 [17:05:55] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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2269 [17:07:38] <inviz> is there any way with ss or netstat to monitor traffic transmitted or received?
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2274 [17:08:45] <jelly> inviz: no, use a different tool, like tcpdump or wireshark or some other traffic analyzer
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2278 [17:12:13] <fujisan> okay im looking for a few users
2279 [17:12:27] <fujisan> atb, LiquidAir, cloudowind, Klevre
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2282 [17:13:02] <fujisan> i have a printed chatlog of 2010 and these people gave me good advise on irc but i don't know on which server and which channel the chat was back then
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2284 [17:13:17] <fujisan> i googled and this channel was listed
2285 [17:13:21] <fujisan> any help is welcome
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2287 [17:13:33] <fujisan> thanks in advance
2288 [17:14:20] <webley> hi again
2289 [17:14:31] <webley> I want to find all folders (even in subfolders) that got the folder name 'tour-compressed'
2290 [17:14:33] <webley> find . -type d -regex "tour-compressed"
2291 [17:14:37] <webley> it doesn't work :( I get nothing
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2293 [17:16:07] <webley> and for -exec for renaming I would use rename 's/tour-compressed/tour/'
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2308 [17:20:26] <webley> anyone? :/
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2310 [17:20:36] <webley> How can I let find -exec just rename the folder name it matches to something else?
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2312 [17:20:57] <dmkeast_> why are you using regex rather than -name ?
2313 [17:21:06] <webley> because I don't know better :/
2314 [17:21:08] <webley> sorry
2315 [17:21:09] <dmkeast_> :)
2316 [17:21:13] <webley> so what can I use? :D
2317 [17:21:19] <webley> I got this now
2318 [17:21:20] <webley> find . -type d -name "tour-compressed"
2319 [17:21:27] <webley> now I get a list of paths to all these tour-compressed folders
2320 [17:21:31] <webley> but how to rename to "tour" now?
2321 [17:23:33] <webley> dmkeast_: ?
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2325 [17:26:26] <webley> nobody?
2326 [17:26:38] <FlyingNun> webley: Ask again?
2327 [17:26:40] <FlyingNun> !ask
2328 [17:26:40] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2329 [17:26:45] <webley> ok
2330 [17:26:54] <rozie> webley: man rename
2331 [17:26:59] <webley> whyrename? why not just mv?
2332 [17:27:09] <webley> thing is - I just want to change the folder name
2333 [17:27:14] <webley> why is this so hard?
2334 [17:27:15] <webley> why
2335 [17:27:21] <webley> find . -type d -name "tour-compressed" -exec
2336 [17:27:30] <webley> what to put for exec for renaming tour-compressed to tour?
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2348 [17:32:03] <rozie> webley: you can use mv. or rename
2349 [17:32:36] <webley> execdir apparently provides the cwd in the parent foler
2350 [17:32:37] <webley> *folder
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2357 [17:34:10] <jelly> webley: you could do it with mv, but then you'd have to mangle the name on your own. prename or rename are easier to use.
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2360 [17:34:55] <jelly> if execdir does what you say it does, then you could always use the same mv command, sure
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2363 [17:35:44] <dmkeast_> my stab at it is something like this:
2364 [17:35:46] <dmkeast_> find -type d -name tour-compressed -exec rename 's/tour-compressed/tour/g' '{}' \;
2365 [17:35:58] <jelly> that's prename, and it's nifty
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2367 [17:36:37] <dmkeast_> but i get the feeling there are dragons in there
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2369 [17:37:02] <jelly> dmkeast_: given /g, what happens if there's a tour-compressed/ under tour-compressed/ ? :-)
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2374 [17:38:55] <jelly> perhaps 's/tour-compressed$/tour/g' is safer
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2377 [17:39:29] <jelly> [17:38] ~ => mkdir -p tmp/foo/foo/bar
2378 [17:39:29] <jelly> [17:38] ~ => prename -n 's/foo/bar/g' tmp/foo/foo/bar
2379 [17:39:30] <jelly> tmp/foo/foo/bar renamed as tmp/bar/bar/bar
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2381 [17:40:19] <jelly> (on Debian, rename is prename by default, but doesn't have to be because there's the other, GNU rename thing, so I like to be explicit)
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2386 [17:41:50] <jelly> webley: so add -n to rename, see what it _would_ do before it does anything potentially harmful
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2392 [17:42:33] <jelly> find -type d -name tour-compressed -exec prename -n 's/tour-compressed$/tour/g' '{}' \;
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2422 [17:51:43] <thowe> flashplugin-nonfree no longer appears to be available. What's the current method for using this?
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2425 [17:53:26] <thowe> using stretch... I do have contrib and non-free added to sources list
2426 [17:53:32] <towo`> download the tarball, extract the lib from there and put it to ~/.mozilla/plugins
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2428 [17:54:06] <thowe> does same one work for chroms?
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2431 [17:54:11] <thowe> er chrome
2432 [17:54:25] <towo`> no
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2436 [17:54:30] <towo`> why should it?
2437 [17:54:37] <thowe> which tarball where?
2438 [17:54:40] <rpw> I'm building libvpx and getting .rodata can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
2439 [17:54:44] <towo`> chrome has another api for plugins
2440 [17:54:51] <rpw> I did get that error on Ubuntu
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2443 [17:55:18] <jmcnaught> rpw: for Ubuntu support please use #ubuntu
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2447 [17:56:05] <towo`> thowe, chrome is shipped with flash
2448 [17:56:06] <rpw> jmcnaught, looking for debian help here
2449 [17:56:22] <rpw> I'm on a fresh install of Debian 9
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2451 [17:56:29] <thowe> towo`, just install chrome and it doesn't appear to have it...
2452 [17:56:48] <jmcnaught> thowe: chrome or chromium?
2453 [17:56:52] <towo`> thowe, i hope you don't speak of chromium
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2455 [17:57:01] <towo`> chrome has flash for sure
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2457 [17:57:08] <thowe> google-chrome. downloaded and did dpkg -i
2458 [17:57:23] <jmcnaught> thowe: you'd need to ask Google about that then
2459 [17:57:37] <thowe> Just responding to the comment that it should
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2461 [17:58:16] <towo`> again, google-chrome comes with flash shipped
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2463 [17:58:39] <towo`> and for chromium, it would be pepperflash-plugin
2464 [17:58:44] <thowe> well, when called upon to run flash it presents a puzzle icon that says "download"
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2468 [17:59:18] <towo`> thowe, i think you don't speak about flash-video
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2470 [17:59:49] <thowe> no, it's a training course I am trying to do. DOn't know what form it takes. Opens another window and fails...
2471 [18:00:40] <jmcnaught> is it actually flash or some other plugin? Hopefully this course requiring flash in 2017 didn't cost money…
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2475 [18:01:10] <thowe> This one is free. My complaints about"flash" have been lodged.
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2477 [18:01:41] <thowe> I'll poke around some more... I'm pretty sure I can make this work somehow.
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2480 [18:01:58] <towo`> seems to bee some shockwave-flash which is not supported on linux
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2487 [18:03:50] <BluesKaj> chrome seems to have an embedded modded version of flash
2488 [18:04:25] <BluesKaj> and it works
2489 [18:04:27] <amd_0x51> I use chromium and it works fine
2490 [18:04:27] <thowe> It seems the plugin is in Chrome, it just needs some cajoling to present itself.
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2500 [18:08:20] <BluesKaj> html5 ftw, soon I hope
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2504 [18:09:05] <amd_0x51> ^
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2524 [18:18:49] <hanasaki> building a custom kernel. it seems that the path to the source is built into the deb package ... should the source be in a specific subdirectory when built so that it will work on any machine when installed?
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2576 [18:41:36] <jelly> hanasaki: linux-headers-* package is supposed to store headers in a well known place, and a symlink is created under /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ pointing to the right place
2577 [18:42:08] <jelly> it shouldn't matter where you actually built the kernel at all
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2597 [18:49:45] <hanasaki> jelly: thanks
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2601 [18:51:35] <nvz> I'm trying to use an HP Deskjet 3630 with stretch on armhf via usb, the printer shows up in lsusb & dmesg, its bound to /dev/usb/lp0 but HP Device Manager is not finding any printers when I scan for a USB printer.
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2604 [18:52:32] <nvz> my user wasn't in the group "lp" I added it and temporarily set the device node 666 and it still couldnt find the printer are there any other groups I might need access to for this to work?
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2607 [18:53:05] <jelly> nvz: still using crappy vendor kernel?
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2609 [18:53:38] <nvz> jelly: oh yes, but being that its seeing it as a bidirectional printer and putting it through to /dev/usb/lp I assumed this was more likely a userland issue
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2611 [18:54:21] <nvz> if the kernel wasn't detecting it I would not have even mentioned it here
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2617 [18:57:38] <nvz> jelly: and fwiw its not the vendor kernel, its the sunxi-linux kernel. the vendor's kernel is full of oom issues and vulnerabilities, the sunxi is just a bit dated, they're still working on mainlining hdmi so thats whats keeping me from a mainline as of right now
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2620 [18:58:03] <jelly> I haven't had a hplip device in a while, but last time I did I think hplip looked directly inside /dev/bus/usb/
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2624 [18:58:52] <nvz> I'll see what other permissions are needed there then I guess.. HP printers were always plug and play, but i crated this particular user with adduser and it didnt seem to get the same group perms as the user I initially created
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2626 [18:59:22] <jelly> don't forget to log off and back on each time after adding a group
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2628 [19:00:25] <nvz> right well I just did a chmod 666 to test without having to logoff then I set it back to 660. The /dev/bus/usb/006 stuff is all global read and root:root so its not that either
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2630 [19:00:55] <nvz> I'll have to wait until I get back I gotta catch a bus. I will try it as root later and work backward to see what this user's issue is
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2633 [19:01:42] <nvz> I should have set this up back when I got the printer and then I wouldnt be rushing to try print something :P
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2694 [19:31:59] <tangorri> hi, I got debian crash when trying to install (bsd bhyve) replaced-url
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2723 [19:44:50] <nostalgiccloud> is there a debian hardened kernel?
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2742 [19:51:15] <teo_> How can I Add a "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list on the debian wheezy ?
2743 [19:51:34] <teo_> and which is this ?
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2747 [19:52:37] <netzach> hello
2748 [19:52:59] <netzach> sorry it's me again, can I get the guide again on how to fix grub, and update my usb install with a uuid instead?
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2753 [19:54:50] <abrotman> dpkg: tell netzach about fixgrub
2754 [19:54:56] <cruncher> teo_, enter "add contrib non-free to sources.list" into google... 1st hit
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2757 [19:56:34] <teo_> and which is this ?
2758 [19:56:43] <teo_> and which is that ?
2759 [19:56:44] <netzach> sorry what does it mean run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI
2760 [19:56:47] <netzach> what is EFI? the UEFI?
2761 [19:56:50] <cruncher> teo_, replaced-url
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2765 [19:58:06] <mender27> Evening everyone!
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2772 [20:00:22] <teo_> deb replaced-url
2773 [20:00:35] <teo_> deb replaced-url
2774 [20:00:56] <teo_> deb replaced-url
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2776 [20:01:25] <teo_> this is not correct ? one user is told me for this ...
2777 [20:01:26] <mender27> Would there be much interest in packaging the old Marathon game project called AlephOne? I started hacking at the dependencies yesterday, but the project docs are largely incomplete :P.
2778 [20:01:48] <mender27> teo_: you have typo in "contrib"
2779 [20:02:19] <mender27> teo_: it's "contrib" not "conrtib"
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2781 [20:02:36] <teo_> yes ok
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2783 [20:02:46] <teo_> but is correct this ?
2784 [20:03:07] <mender27> as long as there is a Brazilian ftp.br.debian.org mirror, yes.
2785 [20:03:26] <mender27> I have something quite similar in my own sources.list.
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2787 [20:03:53] <netzach> why do many official wiki posts on debian uses aptitude install
2788 [20:03:59] <netzach> vs apt-get install?
2789 [20:04:04] <netzach> what is the difference? is it better to use aptitude?
2790 [20:04:05] <teo_> if i write this 3 iam ok for Add "contrib" and "non-free" components no wheezy ?
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2792 [20:04:11] <teo_> if i write this 3 iam ok for Add "contrib" and "non-free" components on wheezy ?
2793 [20:04:34] <mender27> netzach: aptitude has a proper ncurses CLI and often the search results are more useful.
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2795 [20:05:11] <netzach> hm ok
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2797 [20:05:13] <cruncher> teo_, take the sources.list you already have, and append "contrib non-free" to the end (after "main")
2798 [20:05:21] <netzach> so I shouldn't use apt-get mender27 ?
2799 [20:05:22] <mender27> teo_: I think you have some errors in your sources.list. Sec. I'll pastebin mine.
2800 [20:05:29] <cruncher> and if you want wheezy, instead of stretch write wheezy
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2803 [20:06:31] <mender27> teo_: replaced-url
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2805 [20:07:14] <mender27> teo_: you can either use the main mirror or your ftp.br.debian.org for better bandwidth.
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2811 [20:08:41] <mender27> teo_: also be aware that wheezy is the old old stable and will get support only until June 2018.
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2816 [20:10:03] <teo_> iam like wheezy because it have emc for my cnc
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2821 [20:10:39] <teo_> in your file you have 4 lines
2822 [20:11:12] <teo_> i put all the lines inside my at the end mender27 ?
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2825 [20:13:09] <teo_> the 4 files is correct, i have wheezy snd your files is stretch
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2828 [20:13:56] <teo_> the 4 files is correct? i have wheezy and your files is stretch, why?
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2831 [20:16:24] <mender27> teo_: because Stretch is the current stable? Also, you're not supposed to put the lines I sent you at the end of your sources.list, but use them as a base to correct your sources.list.
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2835 [20:17:22] <mender27> teo_: here you'll find extra information on how the sources.list mirror list file is structured: replaced-url
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2846 [20:19:55] <LtL> dpkg: !tell teo_ -about wheezy sources.list
2847 [20:19:55] <dpkg> LtL: I wish you would RTFM.
2848 [20:20:01] <LtL> meh
2849 [20:20:07] <LtL> dpkg: tell teo_ -about wheezy sources.list
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2852 [20:20:31] <LtL> teo_: read the message from dpkg
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2854 [20:20:39] <teo_> now on my file before change with your lines i have 6 lines (3 deb and 3 deb-scr) and all the lines at the and is tell non-free .your lines mender27 i put at the end ? or i delete my 6 lines and i put your 4 lines ?
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2863 [20:26:26] <LtL> teo_: src NOT scr
2864 [20:26:49] <teo_> yes
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2866 [20:27:28] <mender27> unless you know you're going to use deb source packages, you don't need deb-src lines in your sources.list. Also, do read the docs we're throwing at you please :(.
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2877 [20:30:57] <teo_> deb ---- stretch-backports yes or no ?
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2883 [20:33:55] <LtL> teo_: worry about backports later, there is little there at this time you can do without it for now
2884 [20:34:27] <teo_> ok
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2887 [20:35:00] <teo_> 3 lines deb without src...
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2889 [20:35:12] <LtL> teo_: yes
2890 [20:35:45] <mender27> teo_: can you pastebin your sources.list so that we can have a final look at it? Also, how come the sources.list file was not automatically generated for you by the Debian installation scripts?
2891 [20:36:00] <LtL> teo_: with main contrib non-free at the END of each line, then run apt-get update
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2894 [20:36:34] <teo_> ok LtL
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2899 [20:38:03] <teo_> no i cant paste my file on pastebin for now. and i dont know iam a nood
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2910 [20:46:37] <kallenp> Hi, pls. any idea howto preservere permissions on logs that are logrotated ? When logrotate starts, it change permission on log files. Thanks for help.
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2914 [20:47:38] <LtL> teo_: my mistake, if you have wheezy you can use wheezy-backports
2915 [20:48:02] <teo_> ok
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2917 [20:48:50] <teo_> the 3 deb files is tell .....stretch... is correct ?
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2919 [20:49:33] <LtL> teo_: no stretch is currently 'stable' you are using wheezy correct?
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2923 [20:50:31] <yep> hello does someone use qemu on debian i have a little optimisation question to ask
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2926 [20:50:47] <teo_> the other users is tell me for stretch files
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2932 [20:51:16] <LtL> teo_: so wheezy not stretch, no mention of stretch just wheezy
2933 [20:51:35] <LtL> teo_: you say you have wheezy, yes?
2934 [20:51:37] <teo_> my version is linuxcnc-2.7-wheezy
2935 [20:51:41] <teo_> yes
2936 [20:52:17] <LtL> teo_: then only wheezy in sources.list not jessie, not stretch
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2940 [20:53:28] <teo_> ok, 2 users here is tell me for stretch, 1 today and 1 yesterday
2941 [20:53:46] <SuperTramp83> How about you read about it and understand -> replaced-url
2942 [20:53:52] <teo_> and we send me stretch debs
2943 [20:54:09] <LtL> teo_: what does lsb_release -a in a terminal say?
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2945 [20:54:41] <kallenp> Hi, pls. any idea howto preservere permissions on logs that are logrotated ? When logrotate starts, it change permission on log files. Thanks for help.
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2947 [20:55:49] <teo_> debian 7.11 wheezy
2948 [20:55:59] <teo_> its tell
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2950 [20:57:03] <LtL> teo_: do NOT say stretch in sources.list ONLY wheezy or you will destroy your system
2951 [20:57:52] <teo_> I have said it 10 times
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2953 [20:58:01] <teo_> 2 users here is tell me for stretch, 1 today and 1 yesterday
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2956 [20:58:13] <context> teo_: your system is wheezy
2957 [20:58:14] <teo_> and its tell me all ok......
2958 [20:58:16] <context> so put wheezy.
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2962 [20:58:44] <context> or dont listen to people, and do whatever you want.
2963 [20:58:49] <LtL> teo_: save that fie, if apt-get update runs with no errors it works, then run apt-get upgrade
2964 [20:58:55] <LtL> *file
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2966 [20:59:12] <teo_> one user is tell me better the stretch because wheezy is and 2018
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2968 [20:59:19] <teo_> one user is tell me better the stretch because wheezy is end 2018
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2971 [20:59:52] <LtL> teo_: you are two releases behind, don't listen to them
2972 [21:00:26] <context> teo_: maybe you should upgrade if you are worried about wheezy being eol 2018.
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2974 [21:01:06] <teo_> for now i want stable...
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2976 [21:01:56] <context> ok. are jessie and stretch not stable?
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2978 [21:01:58] <teo_> which is the correct 3 or 4 files to Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list ??
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2980 [21:02:14] <teo_> to my wheezy ?
2981 [21:02:27] <context> which is more stable... installing wheezy packages on your wheezy install, or installing stretch packages on your wheezy instrall ?
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2985 [21:03:24] <context> im willing to guess those stretch packages are designed to depend on packages from a stretch system, and not a wheezy system.
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2988 [21:03:38] <teo_> i think first, iam nood
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2992 [21:04:09] <teo_> i want to install my nvidia geforce fx 5600 on my pc, nothing more
2993 [21:04:18] <LtL> teo_: lines not files
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2995 [21:05:16] <LtL> teo_: each line ends with -> main contrib non-free
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2997 [21:06:02] <mender27> teo_: I highly recommend you have a look at any of the Ubuntu derivatives or the main Ubuntu distribution.
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2999 [21:06:45] <mender27> teo_: I don't mean to sound rude, but we have given you ample support already, yet you refuse to take it...
3000 [21:06:46] <LtL> mender27: heresy
3001 [21:06:50] <teo_> yes
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3003 [21:06:57] <netzach> Hello
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3005 [21:07:02] <netzach> I am trying to do the grub repair
3006 [21:07:11] <netzach> but when I do grub-install it says filesystem ext2 doesn't support embedding
3007 [21:07:13] <netzach> and it errors out
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3009 [21:07:25] <mender27> LtL: normally I would not recommend it, especially here, but he's struggling with his sources.list for hours already.
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3011 [21:07:43] <LtL> mender27: yes, im kidding
3012 [21:07:46] <mender27> :p
3013 [21:07:59] <mender27> Be back later o/
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3016 [21:08:17] <LtL> netzach: what was the entire comand?
3017 [21:08:48] <netzach> grub-install /dev/disk/by-uuid/uuid here
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3019 [21:08:54] <netzach> I can't copy paste it since it's on another computer
3020 [21:09:06] <netzach> I did the mount and chroot first
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3029 [21:12:14] <LtL> netzach: i would boot off a live cd and grub-install /dev/sdX but there are different versions of grub, i'll leave that question to the channel sorry
3030 [21:13:52] <netzach> I am off a live cd, an alternative terminal
3031 [21:14:12] <netzach> LtL: I can't grub-install /dev/sdx because the sdx changed between boots, I need it to by uuid or perhaps by label idk
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3033 [21:15:29] <netzach> replaced-url
3034 [21:15:48] <teraflops> netzach: you install grub to /dev/sdx then check at /etc/fstab it is using uuids, if not, edit it and add the correct uuid
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3036 [21:16:22] <teraflops> for getting uuids use lsblk, if youre inside a chrroot use blkid
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3041 [21:18:57] <sorressean> I'm using debian via cli (no window manager set up) I have two soundcards and it's causing problems for alsa. I have hdmi and my regular soundcard. I can't blacklist or change the order because they're both intel_hda. any tips on how to blacklist hdmi entirely so alsa won't use it?
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3047 [21:20:45] <sorressean> I tried blacklisting snd_codec_hdmi but that didn't work
3048 [21:20:59] <netzach> I can't do it by sdx teraflops that is the whole issue
3049 [21:21:05] <teraflops> why?
3050 [21:21:24] <netzach> because it's an usb key and the sdx changes as soon as I unplug the other usb key that is the installer
3051 [21:21:30] <teraflops> …
3052 [21:21:37] <teraflops> read again what I wrote
3053 [21:22:01] <netzach> that never worked,,,,
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3056 [21:22:30] <netzach> is it possible to make grub not generate all the oses it finds? cause I have some hdds plugged in that have varaious oses from broken laptops and I don't want grub to detect them all
3057 [21:22:34] <netzach> only debian?
3058 [21:22:36] <netzach> the one I ask it to
3059 [21:23:43] <teraflops> netzach: uninstall os-prober
3060 [21:24:13] <teraflops> netzach: also iirc if you use debian netinstall and select rescue mode, when you reach the select a debian install and you get a prompt, if you install grub and re-run update-grub, it uses uuids, because I remember a similar issue here days ago
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3062 [21:25:04] <teraflops> again, grub install /dev/sda ot whatever, then edit /etc/fstab
3063 [21:25:19] <netzach> ok by-id worked
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3065 [21:25:22] <teraflops> if there is no uuids, run lsblk copy the uuid and paste there
3066 [21:25:23] <netzach> apparently uuid is for partitions
3067 [21:25:45] <netzach> teraflops: that doesn't work I tell you, /dev/sda doesn't work, at boot it says /dev/sda doesn't exist
3068 [21:25:51] <netzach> cause it changes from sde1 to sdd1
3069 [21:26:10] <netzach> how can I check all the temperatures of the pc?
3070 [21:26:53] <teraflops> …
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3074 [21:28:42] <netzach> also I have the firmware dvd iso flashes ot ab usb key, but since it detects an usb key it still asks me if I want to load the firwmare from the usb stick
3075 [21:28:48] <netzach> even if it's supposed to be on the install medium
3076 [21:28:51] <netzach> so I end up without the firmware
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3080 [21:30:44] <netzach> is it possible to report this bug?
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3084 [21:32:04] <netzach> the firmware is present on the usb key, I just checked right now
3085 [21:32:07] <netzach> on the instlal usb key
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3087 [21:32:36] <netzach> oh nvm it's lal 0kb wtf
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3090 [21:33:34] <shtrb> other than debootsrap how can I prepare a debian installation on disk from running debian
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3092 [21:33:55] <shtrb> I got the impression I should not run d-i from running system
3093 [21:34:02] <netzach> replaced-url
3094 [21:34:11] <netzach> I just mounted that iso, opened it with 7zip and winrar all empty
3095 [21:34:20] <netzach> and they end up as 0kb when flashing them on my usb key
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3104 [21:35:48] <netzach> can anyone please confirm this?
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3107 [21:40:03] <jmcnaught> netzach: I don't want to download the DVD1 but the I just loop mounted firmware-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso and the firmware directory has the .deb files as expected.
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3109 [21:40:31] <jmcnaught> netzach: what method are you using to copy the image to USB? Are you making sure to copy it to a device and not a partition on the device?
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3113 [21:42:32] <shtrb> also sync
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3126 [21:46:55] <teo_> which is the correct lines for Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list On debian linuxcnc-2.7.1.1-wheezy for now ?
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3134 [21:49:18] <netzach> jmcnaught: the whole install worked ok other than the firmware, I opened the iso in 7zip,. winrar and mounted it with windows 7 the firemware folder is empoty
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3138 [21:52:36] <teo_> how can i find the lines ?
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3144 [21:54:10] <teo_> i see the Primary Debian mirror sites then what i do ..
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3147 [21:54:57] <netzach> ok I am gonna try to write the iso imag ein dd mode now
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3155 [21:58:58] <teo_> which is the correct lines for Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list On debian linuxcnc-2.7.1.1-wheezy for now ?
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3163 [22:01:15] <teraflops> teo_: may I ask what linuxcnc-2.7.1.1-wheezy is?
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3166 [22:01:40] <teo_> debian 7.11
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3169 [22:02:03] <teo_> wheezy
3170 [22:02:44] <teraflops> plain wheezy? I wonder about the linuxcnc-2.7.1.1
3171 [22:02:49] <teraflops> vps?
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3174 [22:03:15] <teraflops> !wheezy sources.list
3175 [22:03:15] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 7 "Wheezy" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3189 [22:07:34] <teo_> <dpkg> you not help
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3191 [22:08:11] <teo_> <dpkg> iam a nood and i want Add "contrib" and "non-free" components
3192 [22:08:41] <teo_> i want the line from start to finish
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3195 [22:09:36] <zPlus> hi, I have a question about installing Debian. If during the installation process I select "Debian desktop environment" without checking any of GNOME, KDE, etc. what is it going to install?
3196 [22:09:54] <teraflops> gnome iirc
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3199 [22:11:32] <n4dir> zPlus: wouldn't it make more sense to check the DE you want installed?
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3201 [22:11:50] <zPlus> teraflops: oh ok thanks. This seems a bit confusing though, because GNOME is among one of the possible choices so it looks like it's going to install something else for "Desktop environment" that is not GNOME or KDE or anything else
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3206 [22:13:36] <zPlus> n4dir: yes I'm just wondering because I can check the general entry "Desktop environment" which doesn't say what it's useful for
3207 [22:14:19] <teo_> someone can write the line ??
3208 [22:14:36] <teo_> w r i t e t h e l i n e s ....
3209 [22:14:42] <teo_> i want the line from start to finish
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3211 [22:14:52] <teo_> which is the correct lines for Add "contrib" and "non-free" components to /etc/apt/sources.list On debian linuxcnc-2.7.1.1-wheezy for now ?
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3213 [22:15:28] <maxcell_> teo_, paste your sources.list
3214 [22:15:28] <n4dir> zPlus: yeah, that would make me wonder too. I am with teraflops though (probably gnome)
3215 [22:15:36] <maxcell_> teo_, paste.debian.org
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3223 [22:17:29] <teo_> i write from other pc the lines is in other pc, i want to install my graphics card, i dident have good screen very lines on pixel
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3225 [22:17:55] <maxcell_> teo_, ok it's very very easy
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3228 [22:18:12] <maxcell_> deb replaced-url
3229 [22:18:20] <maxcell_> this is mine
3230 [22:18:27] <maxcell_> i'm using debian stretch
3231 [22:18:41] <maxcell_> if you add contrib and non-free it will be like this
3232 [22:18:43] <teo_> ?
3233 [22:18:47] <maxcell_> deb replaced-url
3234 [22:19:17] <maxcell_> you put that contrib and non-free after all the words that says "main" in your sources.list
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3237 [22:19:32] <maxcell_> then you run apt-get update to make the changes useful
3238 [22:19:39] <maxcell_> understand?
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3243 [22:20:18] <teo_> do NOT say stretch in sources.list ONLY wheezy or you will destroy your system
3244 [22:20:27] <maxcell_> I'm using stretch
3245 [22:20:31] <maxcell_> you are using Wheezy
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3247 [22:20:40] <teo_> thAT it tell before 1 user
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3250 [22:20:58] <maxcell_> thats why say Wheezy on yours, do not change that, just put "contrib non-free" after all the word "main"
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3252 [22:21:17] <towo`> teo_, go away, if you can't use your brain to replace some simple word in a textfile
3253 [22:22:04] <maxcell_> teo_, think that as a windows 7 and 10. You are using windows 7, thats why say Wheezy in your sources.list. Because the debian you are using is quite old.
3254 [22:22:07] <towo`> and linuxcnc is not an official debian
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3256 [22:22:49] <maxcell_> teo_, do not change the Wheezy tho, or you will probably broke your system
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3258 [22:23:05] <teo_> ok
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3261 [22:23:29] <maxcell_> teo_, just put the fucking "contrib non-free" after "main" words to tell your apt-get to look after contrib and non-free packages, thats ALL.
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3264 [22:23:57] <maxcell_> no secrets
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3270 [22:25:40] <maxcell_> I'm having a issue of Screen Tearing. I'm using Debian 9.1 and Nvidia. Be honest, can i fix that or it will Tearing every movie i watch?
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3274 [22:26:48] <towo`> maxcell_, which desktop you use?
3275 [22:27:16] <maxcell_> KDE right now, but it tearing on XFCE as well, but i've deleted XFCE already.
3276 [22:27:18] <rpw> maxcell_ I have some tips on screen tearing
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3278 [22:27:28] <maxcell_> rpw, it will work?
3279 [22:27:38] <maxcell_> it can be done?
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3281 [22:27:47] <rpw> stand by
3282 [22:27:56] <towo`> on xfce it would be easy
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3284 [22:28:13] <towo`> install and use compton as composite manager
3285 [22:28:23] <towo`> on kde i have no clue
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3287 [22:28:49] <towo`> on cinnamon there is no tearing since cinnamon is using compositing by default
3288 [22:28:51] <n4dir> xfce has compositing itself. wouldn't it solve the problem?
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3290 [22:29:05] <maxcell_> i was using compositing on xfce
3291 [22:29:06] <towo`> n4dir, no, that xfce compositor is crap³
3292 [22:29:10] <maxcell_> it's enabled by default
3293 [22:29:13] <rpw> you need to add a line to xorg.conf
3294 [22:29:16] <n4dir> okay, sorry for the noice :-)
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3296 [22:29:35] <maxcell_> rpw, ok but i don't think i have xorg.conf
3297 [22:29:40] <maxcell_> these days
3298 [22:29:41] <rpw> Add the option under Section "Device"
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3301 [22:29:58] <rpw> "TripleBuffer" "1"
3302 [22:30:07] <maxcell_> hmm interesting
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3304 [22:30:16] <maxcell_> that may work
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3306 [22:30:23] <maxcell_> but i dont have xorg.conf
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3308 [22:30:46] <towo`> then make one
3309 [22:30:47] <rpw> do xorg -configure
3310 [22:30:52] <towo`> not needed
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3312 [22:31:05] <maxcell_> wait
3313 [22:31:11] <maxcell_> what should i do to make one
3314 [22:31:13] <maxcell_> xorg.conf
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3316 [22:31:23] <maxcell_> xorg -configure? i'm using nvidia
3317 [22:31:27] <rpw> xorg -configure
3318 [22:31:31] <maxcell_> ok
3319 [22:31:41] <maxcell_> command not found
3320 [22:31:50] <rpw> oh yeah use the nvidia tool
3321 [22:32:19] <rpw> I'm on a virtual machine right now so I can't test it
3322 [22:32:20] <maxcell_> i need to install the tool with apt-get, do you remember the name?
3323 [22:32:44] <rpw> just make the file
3324 [22:32:51] <towo`> no!
3325 [22:33:01] <rpw> sudo touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf
3326 [22:33:13] <towo`> mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d && echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3327 [22:33:13] <maxcell_> if i make xorg.conf file, i need to put everything on it, like monitor vertical lines and stuff don't i?
3328 [22:33:24] <towo`> not more, not less
3329 [22:33:30] <rpw> try X -configure
3330 [22:33:37] <towo`> then you can add that option to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3331 [22:33:49] <towo`> no X -configure needed
3332 [22:33:53] <towo`> that's useless
3333 [22:33:59] <rpw> listen to towo
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3336 [22:34:09] <maxcell_> ok
3337 [22:34:35] <towo`> but for me, the tripple buffer has not helped
3338 [22:34:39] <maxcell_> towo`, i have those archives like 50-mouse-acceleration.conf at /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
3339 [22:35:00] <rpw> try this
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3341 [22:35:05] <towo`> maxcell_, don't do anything in /usr/share/X11!
3342 [22:35:12] <rpw> Option "TearFree" "true"
3343 [22:35:14] <maxcell_> towo`, can i create the 20-nvidia.conf at this directory or i have to use /etc/X11/xorg?
3344 [22:35:14] <towo`> maxcell_, read, what i have written
3345 [22:35:26] <maxcell_> towo`, ok
3346 [22:35:32] <maxcell_> i will do it on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d then
3347 [22:35:34] <towo`> maxcell_, /usr/share is for system, not for user
3348 [22:35:56] <towo`> all user configs has to be in /etc/foo
3349 [22:36:19] <maxcell_> towo`, as you wish
3350 [22:36:22] <rpw> yeah but Option "TearFree" "true" in /etx/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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3352 [22:36:50] <towo`> even TearFree option doe not help allways
3353 [22:37:05] <teraflops> i had better results using modesetting
3354 [22:37:22] <teraflops> tearfree harms performance
3355 [22:37:39] <towo`> modesetting with binary blob?
3356 [22:37:47] <teraflops> but it's hard to say because every intel model has its own issues
3357 [22:37:53] <maxcell_> towo`, bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: Permissão negada
3358 [22:37:59] <maxcell_> it gave me permission denied
3359 [22:38:04] <teraflops> towo`: oh, nvidia, nvm
3360 [22:38:10] <towo`> echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3361 [22:38:15] <towo`> maxcell_, as root
3362 [22:38:19] <maxcell_> ok
3363 [22:38:27] <Lockw00d> hello has someone installed debian 9 on a Mac Book Pro?
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3365 [22:38:30] <maxcell_> permissino denied again
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3367 [22:39:01] <kb3vgw> ok having a issue
3368 [22:39:02] <towo`> maxcell_, that is one command, which begins with the echo!
3369 [22:39:17] <maxcell_> denis@debian:/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d$ sudo echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "nvidia"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf
3370 [22:39:18] <maxcell_> bash: /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-nvidia.conf: Permissão negada
3371 [22:39:19] <kb3vgw> trying to usr /etc/network/interfaces.d/dir
3372 [22:39:40] <kb3vgw> and files like eth_0 and wlan_0
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3374 [22:39:52] <kb3vgw> but ifup is not bring them up
3375 [22:39:57] <maxcell_> towo`, do i need to specify bash somewhere on this command to work?
3376 [22:40:01] <towo`> you have done mkdir -p /etc/X1/xorg.conf.d
3377 [22:40:07] <maxcell_> i did
3378 [22:40:08] <towo`> grr
3379 [22:40:12] <towo`> you have done mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
3380 [22:40:16] <maxcell_> im on /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d directory right now
3381 [22:40:32] <maxcell_> i did mkdir -p as you tell me to
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3383 [22:40:49] <towo`> maxcell_, can you do anything right, as you been told?
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3385 [22:41:01] <towo`> maxcell_, you should not stay in that dir
3386 [22:41:03] <maxcell_> towo`, dude, i just paste your command
3387 [22:41:06] <kb3vgw> does /etc/network/interfaces.d no longer work
3388 [22:41:07] <towo`> maxcell_, you are not root
3389 [22:41:14] <rotaticus> kb3vgw: perhaps eth0 and wlan0 ?
3390 [22:41:25] <kb3vgw> same
3391 [22:41:28] <maxcell_> towo`, i've used sudo
3392 [22:41:36] <towo`> maxcell_, i have nothing sayed like cd /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d
3393 [22:41:42] <kb3vgw> its not bringing them up on a re boot
3394 [22:41:45] <maxcell_> towo`, ok
3395 [22:41:47] <towo`> maxcell_, use root!
3396 [22:41:50] <towo`> not sudo
3397 [22:42:04] <towo`> so do sudo su, if you have no root account
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3400 [22:42:20] <maxcell_> towo`, lol, it worked
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3403 [22:42:32] <maxcell_> idk why
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3405 [22:42:52] <rotaticus> kb3vgw: its empty here ... what about /etc/network/interfaces
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3410 [22:43:25] <maxcell_> ok i have the 20-nvidia.conf saying Driver "nvidia". What now?
3411 [22:43:30] <kb3vgw> source /etc/network/interfaces.d/*
3412 [22:43:34] <kb3vgw> that 1 line
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3420 [22:45:10] <owgi> hello
3421 [22:45:16] <kb3vgw> replaced-url
3422 [22:45:19] <kb3vgw> not helping
3423 [22:45:23] <teo_> no wheezy 7.1.1 which is good linux-headers ?
3424 [22:45:33] <teo_> which version ?
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3426 [22:45:37] <maxcell_> rpw, In section Device i should put TripleBuffer "1" or "TripleBuffer" "1"?
3427 [22:45:38] <owgi> what package have the debug symbols for nouveau_dri.so ?
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3429 [22:46:20] <LtL> teo_: you don't have an official debian kernel, where did you get that?
3430 [22:46:53] <teo_> linuxcnc wheezy 2.1.1
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3433 [22:47:16] <maxcell_> rpw, towo` should be Option "TripleBuffer" "true"
3434 [22:47:17] <maxcell_> on 20-nvidia.conf ?
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3436 [22:47:29] <teo_> yes for nvidia
3437 [22:47:43] <teo_> ggorce fx 5600 ?
3438 [22:47:50] <teo_> gforce fx 5600 ?
3439 [22:48:17] <towo`> teo_, again, that is not debian
3440 [22:48:20] <DexterF> hi
3441 [22:48:26] <towo`> ask the vondor of that distro
3442 [22:48:30] <teo_> i want insta;; nvidia-legacy-173xx-driver and linux headers
3443 [22:48:42] <towo`> maxcell_, yes, in that file
3444 [22:48:54] <maxcell_> towo`, sounds about right
3445 [22:49:01] <maxcell_> Option "tripleBuffer" "true"
3446 [22:49:04] <maxcell_> i will reboot
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3448 [22:49:10] <teo_> linux headers which file is ?
3449 [22:49:14] <towo`> maxcell_, no reboot needed
3450 [22:49:25] <DexterF> crackling sound in deb8 on intel hd onboard -> analog -> vintage amp, stereo. worked fine for years, now crackling on low frequencies. other inputs ok, can rule out amp/speakers
3451 [22:49:26] <maxcell_> towo`, only log off right?
3452 [22:49:28] <towo`> maxcell_, restart x i enaught
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3454 [22:49:44] <DexterF> suspected pulse, killed it for good, issue stays. help?
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3456 [22:49:48] <maxcell_> when i logoff the X gets reset right
3457 [22:49:56] <maxcell_> no need to systemctl
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3459 [22:50:15] <LtL> teo_: i suggest reading here, replaced-url
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3461 [22:50:45] <teo_> 20 minutes timeout I can not take it anymore
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3464 [22:51:08] <LtL> teo_: start over do it right
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3472 [22:52:56] <maxcell_> towo`, rpw thank you both
3473 [22:53:03] <maxcell_> towo`, rpw THE SCREEN TEARING HAS GONE!
3474 [22:54:04] <Lockw00d> hello has someone installed debian 9 on a Mac Book Pro?
3475 [22:54:08] <maxcell_> :))
3476 [22:54:37] <Lockw00d> and if so how is it working?
3477 [22:55:07] <Lockw00d> i mean with a early 2015 retina mac book pro
3478 [22:55:52] <Lockw00d> arch seems to be very well documented. the entries in the debian wiki seem to be a little bit outdated ...
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3482 [22:56:40] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, man go with Debian
3483 [22:56:48] <kb3vgw> figured it out
3484 [22:56:53] <kb3vgw> this is stupid
3485 [22:57:19] <kb3vgw> you have to put auto eth0 in the /etc/network/interfaces file
3486 [22:57:33] <kb3vgw> and then it will read the eth0 config file
3487 [22:57:45] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, it's so stable so good this system is amazing right now.
3488 [22:58:23] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: I know i have it on my asus zenbook, but not on my mac book pro ...
3489 [22:58:25] <bzed> Lockw00d: arch is always better documented, but you could get a wiki account in the debian wiki and help out ;)
3490 [22:58:46] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, i already install fedora, deepin, ubuntu, arch, manjaro, solus. The better ones for me is Arch and Debian
3491 [22:59:26] <maxcell_> you can do both ways but actually i prefer Debian 9 right now because the packages isn't old and the system is completly stable at the moment.
3492 [22:59:28] <klys> ias anyone else been trying to have a debian i386+amd64 multiarch system?
3493 [22:59:59] <maxcell_> klys, i think all you need to do is dpkg --add-architecture i386 | apt-get update ?
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3495 [23:00:41] <klys> maxcell_, i am struggling. wht would you reccommend for users who want both versions of binutils installed?
3496 [23:00:46] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, aren't old. you know what i mean. It just come out and it is very new and stable.
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3498 [23:01:28] <maxcell_> klys, sorry, i have no idea, i just install some nvidia libs that is i386 to run Steam
3499 [23:01:34] <n4dir> the stabilty of debian stable really doesn't change much when it gets older
3500 [23:02:01] <maxcell_> n4dir, the packages gets old with him
3501 [23:02:08] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: okay thanks for the suggestion ;)
3502 [23:02:14] <n4dir> yup, but you also spoke of stability
3503 [23:02:22] <maxcell_> n4dir, but right now, the packages aren't old
3504 [23:02:30] <maxcell_> n4dir, so you have the best of two worlds.
3505 [23:02:57] <maxcell_> for me, is the best system right now
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3507 [23:03:15] <maxcell_> no matter if you are using it to be a server or desktop
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3509 [23:03:52] <Lockw00d> bzed: maybe I will try it out with the arch wiki manuell for the mac book pro. Then I will create an account and update the debian article and write about the experiences i made with debian and a mac book pro from early 2015 ...
3510 [23:04:04] <n4dir> not all desktop users care much for new versions of software.
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3512 [23:04:49] <Lockw00d> bzed: instead of arch i will install debian but i will use the arch wiki as reference for the installation ...
3513 [23:04:51] <maxcell_> n4dir, lets say you work with images and videos, don't you need the latest Gimp and Kdenlive for example?
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3515 [23:05:03] <dmkeast> Debian is the only system I've used that I know I can come back to in a week/month/year and everything will work just as it was last time
3516 [23:05:25] <n4dir> not all people do care about such.
3517 [23:05:35] <maxcell_> not all people doesn't either
3518 [23:05:38] <n4dir> newer versions. If the old one does what you want to do ...
3519 [23:05:57] <maxcell_> well, they improve their programs for a reason right
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3521 [23:06:05] <Lockw00d> but there is nobody in this channel who already installed debian on a early 2015 mac book pro?
3522 [23:06:26] <n4dir> Lockw00d: the subject comes up now and then. Try again later, perhaps.
3523 [23:06:42] <Lockw00d> okay i will ;)
3524 [23:06:56] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, man you should try it out
3525 [23:06:59] <klys> lockw00d, i've looked over a debian install on a macbook. they used bootcamp + grub-efi
3526 [23:07:07] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, it it goes wrong, you just put Arch
3527 [23:07:11] <maxcell_> if*
3528 [23:07:16] <n4dir> Lockw00d: you could also try forums.debian.net. I haven't been there for long, but the subject sure came up in the past.
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3530 [23:07:40] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, you only take some minutes to install the Debian anyway
3531 [23:07:48] <Lockw00d> n4dir: okay thanks i will check it out ;)
3532 [23:08:25] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, i just think you gotta need the debian with non-free firmwares
3533 [23:08:30] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: okay then i will do try and error ... the only thing that will take long is to back up my mac os x ...
3534 [23:08:52] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: i think so too ... for wifi certainly ...
3535 [23:08:57] <maxcell_> certainly
3536 [23:09:48] <maxcell_> it's a network install btw, this non-free firmware debian 9 version of installer
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3538 [23:11:15] <Lockw00d> maxcell: okay so you need a network connection during the installation ...
3539 [23:11:21] <maxcell_> yes
3540 [23:11:25] <maxcell_> you did
3541 [23:11:49] <maxcell_> if you have a cable it will work right away, idk about wifi tho
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3543 [23:11:55] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: I have an ethernet to usb adapter, so it shouldn't be a problem ...
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3546 [23:12:22] <teo_> replaced-url
3547 [23:12:25] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: the mac book pro has no internet cable connection by default only usb ...
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3549 [23:12:40] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, get it
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3553 [23:13:17] <maxcell_> Lockw00d, you need to try out the non-free firmware debian to see if it will work. If doesn't, you can learn how to Wi-fi during the installation, idk how to do it nor if its possible, but i think it is
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3555 [23:13:32] <teo_> can sameone help what is mean : Update the list of available packages. Install the appropriate linux-headers and kernel module packages:
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3557 [23:14:46] <teo_> i see linux-headers on synaptic packet manager but i dont know which version ...
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3559 [23:14:54] <Lockw00d> maxcell_: okay i will ;)
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3561 [23:15:15] <alyssa_> Has anyone noticed regressions with Wacom tablets after a recent upgrade on testing?
3562 [23:15:38] <owgi> can i install a jessie package on stretch?
3563 [23:15:51] <towo`> owgi, depends
3564 [23:16:11] <n4dir> teo_: try uname -r ; though i think you can simply go for "apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) ; or such.
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3566 [23:16:24] <owgi> towo`: this package replaced-url
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3568 [23:16:43] <alyssa_> Previously, the USB tablet worked flawless. Now it is recognised as a mouse (creating a second cursor) with absolute positioning, but no tablet-specific features work. GNOME control center claims there is no tablet detected. Clicking down works in GNOME (to move windows and such) but not in Firefox or Krita.
3569 [23:16:47] <owgi> towo`: you can see its only available for amd64 on jessie. not on stretch and not on sid
3570 [23:16:50] <towo`> owgi, and what makes you tnink, you need that package?
3571 [23:17:29] <towo`> and dbg-packages have to fit the binary versions, otherwise they would be useless
3572 [23:17:50] <towo`> owgi, you want to read about debian and dbgsym
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3577 [23:18:40] <owgi> towo`: i need debugging symbols for nouveau_dri.so: replaced-url
3578 [23:18:45] <teo_> n4dir it tell 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
3579 [23:19:02] <towo`> [23:17:50] <towo`> owgi, you want to read about debian and dbgsym
3580 [23:19:20] <n4dir> teo_: haven't done it in a while. You can either search in synaptic for that exact kernel-headers version, or give the command i suggested a try
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3582 [23:19:53] <n4dir> though i hope if it was plain wrong, someone would yell at me loud and clear (that is: i think the command is correct)
3583 [23:20:21] <towo`> n4dir, the problem of teo_ is, it 's not debian
3584 [23:20:28] <towo`> and told many times
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3586 [23:20:40] <n4dir> aha. thanks towo
3587 [23:20:40] <teo_> debian is
3588 [23:20:45] <klys> alyssa, one of my machines has libwacom2 0.22-1+b1 and it takes like five minutes to startx; another machine has libwacom2 0.24-1 and it has no such problem. both machines have xserver-xorg-input-wacom 0.34.99.1-1
3589 [23:20:47] <towo`> teo_, no!
3590 [23:20:54] <towo`> linuxcrc is not debian
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3594 [23:20:55] <maxcell_> haha
3595 [23:21:03] <teo_> lsb_release -a
3596 [23:21:11] <teo_> and its tell debian
3597 [23:21:16] <n4dir> the command should work anyway. i think.
3598 [23:21:21] <towo`> 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae is not a debian kernel, period
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3600 [23:21:32] <towo`> n4dir, i would not bet my ass
3601 [23:21:49] <towo`> because i would oracle, the kernel in that repo is now newer
3602 [23:21:51] <n4dir> best would be he would ask the distro he uses. duh
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3604 [23:22:03] <alyssa_> klys: hm okay, I have 0.24-1 for libwacom2 and 0.34.99.1-1 for xserver..
3605 [23:22:26] <towo`> so apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) possible gives a not found
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3609 [23:23:50] <n4dir> got that. for wifi drivers there is a different version of that $(uname -r) command, it does some sed voodoo, if i recall correct. But i always got it working with the easy version (which i can remember :-) ). Doesn't help him much, still
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3613 [23:25:30] <Valex> hi all , can someone help me to see if its correct do that on cronjob */5 * * * * /usr/bin/python /home/pi/zonkeynet/airbot_rx.py >/dev/null 2>&1
3614 [23:25:43] <Valex> is this correct ?
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3622 [23:28:39] <alyssa_> klys: T_T
3623 [23:28:48] <alyssa_> some poking around /var/log revealed the problem is GNOME itself
3624 [23:28:59] <alyssa_> tablet works flawlessly in i3
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3630 [23:30:49] <alyssa_> well, I guess I've been looking for a reason to go back to MATE :^)
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3650 [23:46:40] <teo_> towo why you tell me 10 times i dident have debian ?
3651 [23:46:58] <towo`> because you have no debian
3652 [23:47:20] <LtL> teo_: you have LinucCNC
3653 [23:47:22] <towo`> your system is linuxcrc and your kernel is not a debian kernel
3654 [23:47:24] <teo_> how can i test it
3655 [23:47:49] <towo`> what you want to test?
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3657 [23:48:02] <towo`> your uname -r is saying all
3658 [23:48:11] <teo_> the kernel, the version ...
3659 [23:48:13] <towo`> you jou told many times, it's linuxcrc
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3661 [23:48:19] <towo`> *you
3662 [23:48:39] <towo`> and linuxcrc is not debian, it's based on debian, maybe
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3664 [23:49:25] <LtL> towo`: its for CNC machines and can be installed in debian
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3666 [23:49:34] <LtL> afaik
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3668 [23:49:39] <teo_> with this lsb_release -a i see debian
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3672 [23:50:21] <n4dir> jesus
3673 [23:50:30] <klys> why
3674 [23:51:19] <towo`> LtL, linuxcnc is saying, it's a distro based on debian, 3.4-9-rtai-686-pae is not a debian kernel
3675 [23:51:47] <LtL> towo`: got it
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3684 [23:54:43] <ghormoon> ho, to use both 2mb and 1gb hugepages I somehow need to mount another mountpoint to access the 1gb ones? I've set some to allocate on boot, but obviusly qemu won't take those from /dev/hugepages, so I need to somehow manage another /dev/ mountpouint?
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3690 [23:56:21] <teo_> to install my graphics card here its tell to install linux headers what it mean ? replaced-url
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3695 [23:57:30] <n4dir> you don't expect someone to explain to you how copy and paste works, do you?
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3697 [23:57:48] <owgi> teo_: didnt nouveau work for you?
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3699 [23:57:57] <teo_> is not good
3700 [23:58:09] <owgi> teo_: what is wrong with it?
3701 [23:58:14] <teo_> i cant see good resulution
3702 [23:58:28] <teo_> and fast graphics
3703 [23:58:36] <JC_Denton> strange thing. i've got two VMware VMs, both set with intel pro 1000 nics. upgraded both from jessie to stretch this week. one got the predictable network names, the other did not. the one that did not didn't have it explicitly disabled in grub, nor did it have a udev rule to set a persistent eth0. i'm puzzled.
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3705 [23:59:05] <klys> teo_, replaced-url
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3711 [23:59:41] <imangerah> /msg dpkg install stretch
3712 [23:59:52] <owgi> teo_: resolution? that is probably not nouveau but VESA. could you show the log of xorg?
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