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0[00:00:01] <gabrielc> rauno: but no ping repsonse from router
1[00:00:05] <rauno> nope
2[00:00:23] <rauno> so its probably incorrect
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4[00:00:50] <gabrielc> rauno: maybe
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6[00:01:07] <rauno> ah yes, these new tcpdump packages are now all ICMP echos
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8[00:02:38] <rauno> okay, i'll try to contact the guys who set it up and maybe get back to you guys if im struggling
9[00:02:45] <rauno> gabrielc: good night
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12[00:02:49] <aloo_shu> bytesquid try same pendrive on other computer, try other device in same usb port. could be hardware/corrosion on surface of contact
13[00:02:51] <gabrielc> rauno: bye
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16[00:04:31] <bytesquid> aloo_shu: other ports in same computer read other drives fine; I know that my friend's computer (a macbook running OS X) couldn't read the drive either, but I don't have any debug logs or anything from there, so that could mean anything's wrong with it
17[00:05:12] <awal1> How to list installed pkgs by date (installation date)?
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25[00:09:52] <contrapunctus> people? anyone?
26[00:10:13] <DoctorD90> !ask
27[00:10:13] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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29[00:10:40] <contrapunctus> I was expecting that. The question is already asked :P
30[00:10:56] <aloo_shu> bytesquid , just to make sure put a mouse or whatever in the port that doesn't read the drive, to make double shure it's not the port, but it points to the drive. Could slide it in and out the port a few times to rub off oxide, could have a good look at the drive contacts with good light and a magnifying glass, could put it off until you see your mac friend again, macs understand dmesg, and lsusb for sure.
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32[00:12:11] <DoctorD90> better to summary it or paste it again if it has passed many times ;) just a suggest ;) btw, read. Sorry I dont know
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47[00:18:58] <contrapunctus> I set up Syncthing as a user service (systemd) according to their documentation (replaced-url
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49[00:19:15] <contrapunctus> I tried running it with --user (as suggested at replaced-url
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65[00:30:03] <aloo_shu> contrapunctus, for what it's worth: just checked, #systemd exists here, nominally 722 users currently. There's hope :)
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73[00:32:16] <contrapunctus> aloo_shu: kinda didn't want to go there, I don't really know anything about systemd, afraid of looking like a prat
74[00:33:38] <jelly> contrapunctus: are there any per-user journald files at all? find /var/log/journal/ -name "user-$UID*" -ls
75[00:34:07] <aloo_shu> contrapunctus nothing to loose..
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78[00:34:55] <jelly> right, if #d does not know, it makes sense to ask upstream
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82[00:36:10] <jelly> contrapunctus: or just "user-*", if you run find as root
83[00:36:28] <contrapunctus> jelly: find: `/var/log/journal/`: No such file or directory
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86[00:36:47] <jelly> so you don't have a place for persistent journal at all
87[00:37:14] <jelly> maybe per-user journal gets written nowhere in that case
88[00:38:04] <jelly> the message says something else tho.
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90[00:38:33] <jelly> contrapunctus: what about: strace -f -eopen journalctl --user-unit=syncthing.service
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93[00:39:05] <jelly> contrapunctus: is there a /run/log/journal/ then?
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106[00:49:02] <contrapunctus> jelly: replaced-url
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112[00:51:17] <contrapunctus> jelly: there is a /run/log/journal/, with some files.
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131[01:04:28] <contrapunctus> jelly: ?
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190[01:43:03] <ryouma> in jessie "systemd-hostnamed[16710]: Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname!" -- just confirming this is necessary?
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207[01:51:04] <victorqueiroz> Hi. Somebody knows where can I find updated content of pantheon DE for Debian?
208[01:51:06] <victorqueiroz> Debian 9
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210[01:51:41] <bazhang> ,version pantheon
211[01:51:42] <judd> No package named 'pantheon' was found in amd64.
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213[01:53:03] <bazhang> victorqueiroz, is that part of mate
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216[01:55:17] <victorqueiroz> Pantheon is DE for Elementary OS
217[01:55:25] <victorqueiroz> Sorry
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224[01:58:11] <bazhang> victorqueiroz, elementary has their own support channel here on freenode
225[01:58:28] <bazhang> /msg alis list elementary
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255[02:11:27] <victorqueiroz> Where should I put my fontconfig folder?
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258[02:12:04] <bazhang> victorqueiroz, in elementary?
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285[02:29:04] <victorqueiroz> I added /usr/share/fontconfig/conf.avail/11-lcdfilter-default.conf to my $HOME/.config/fontconfig/conf.d folder but I can't see 'Xft.lcdfilter' when I hit "xrdb -query". WHy?
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287[02:31:12] <bazhang> victorqueiroz, is that debian or elementary
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289[02:31:56] <victorqueiroz> Debian
290[02:31:59] <victorqueiroz> No more Elementary here
291[02:32:03] <victorqueiroz> Sorry about that =D
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293[02:32:42] <aaro> victorqueiroz, you would need to define Xft.lcdfilter in your ~/.Xresources
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296[02:35:18] <victorqueiroz> What's the best config for lcdfilter? Why do I have this file? (.Xresources)
297[02:36:00] <victorqueiroz> I just added configs to there. How can I reset cache?
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301[02:37:25] <aaro> after you change .Xresources you do 'xrdb .Xresources' and restart your terminal
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308[02:42:44] <PhotonSm> Anyone here use wemux?
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310[02:43:32] <victorqueiroz> I'm back!
311[02:43:44] <PhotonSm> Wb
312[02:43:49] <pingouin> welcome back !
313[02:44:12] <PhotonSm> Anyone?
314[02:44:34] <contrapunctus> !ask
315[02:44:35] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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317[02:46:07] <PhotonSm> Wemux works fine with wemux join. When I try wemux or wemux start as normal or root I now get the following issues: permission error (tried chmod 777 for file, no change whatsoever), no server to attach to, it starts and does nothing, or it starts and then complains about nothing to attach to, and there is no entry in wemux list
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324[02:52:29] <victorqueiroz> pingouin and PhotonSm: Thank you guys, you're very friendly
325[02:53:13] <victorqueiroz> Btw, do you guys have any idea if still worth to use Infinality on Debian? replaced-url
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328[02:54:20] <PhotonSm> not sure
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330[02:54:45] <cheapie> Seeing as how ifconfig is deprecated, what's the new "right way" to get a list of network interfaces?
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332[02:55:59] <r_rios> Will I be able to check which packages will be upgraded before upgrading to stretch?
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335[02:57:07] <cheapie> Meh, looks like "ip link list" does what I want.
336[02:58:27] <numbdewd> r_rios: if thru apt-get, possibly one of these: -s, --simulate, --just-print, --dry-run, --recon, --no-act
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341[02:59:21] <thecoffemaker> hello everyone ... did someone have issues with wifi using debian's non-free live image?
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349[03:02:26] <r_rios> numbdewd: Thanks
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359[03:08:43] <crucify_me> hey you know when you hit the command key on gnome (jessie 9) and those little jigsaw pieces pop up telling you the time in uzbekistan ? I'd like to turn those off...thanks
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362[03:09:46] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: go to settings, click on search, clock is probably the one you want to disable
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364[03:11:56] <crucify_me> hey, thanks jmcnaught its other things too, like my bookmark bar in chromium. can I turn off all those secondary things that are not auto-completes for applications ? thanks again
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368[03:13:37] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: are you still talking about gnome-shell?
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371[03:14:27] <crucify_me> yes
372[03:14:43] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: look at the search settings, there's a global disable
373[03:15:15] <crucify_me> excellent thanks kindly jmcnaught
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415[03:39:21] <Byan> root@carrot:/# rm -r sbin
416[03:39:21] <Byan> rm: cannot remove 'sbin': Device or resource busy
417[03:39:27] <Byan> anyone know whats happening here?
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420[03:41:12] <Byan> grrrr
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423[03:45:03] <ranix> Byan: someone has a shell open in that directory or one of the files inside it is being used by an active process
424[03:45:21] <ranix> Byan: lsof can help find which process is using it
425[03:45:28] <Byan> lsof comes back with nothing
426[03:45:35] <ranix> then it'll be something active in the dir itself
427[03:45:37] <Byan> but maybe cause the files are deleted it can't?
428[03:45:41] <Byan> hmm
429[03:45:45] <ranix> i.e. if you cd to /foo and then rm . you'll get this error
430[03:45:52] <Byan> but the server was just restarted
431[03:46:00] <Byan> so there cant be anything that I own doing it
432[03:46:04] <ranix> perhaps the thing utilizing sbin is spawned on startup
433[03:46:11] <Byan> right..
434[03:46:12] <Byan> hmm
435[03:46:39] <ranix> if you want to perform hax you could insert a line into an early startup script to rmdir it
436[03:46:42] <ranix> are there any contents
437[03:46:47] <jmcnaught> Why are you deleting /sbin?
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439[03:46:52] <ranix> he didn't say /sbin
440[03:46:55] <ranix> he just said "sbin"
441[03:47:00] <Byan> jmcnaught: replacing it with a symlink
442[03:47:03] <Byan> it is /sbin :D
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444[03:47:09] <contrapunctus> o\
445[03:47:23] <Byan> I am trying to install another distro on top of debian
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447[03:47:30] <jmcnaught> ranix: the path in his prompt
448[03:47:31] <Byan> but its failing because it can't remove those directories
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451[03:47:48] <ranix> jmcnaught: ah good eye
452[03:47:56] <jmcnaught> Byan: this is something you should do from a live boot, not while booted into the system
453[03:47:59] <Byan> jmcnaught: you think that bash is holding this?
454[03:48:09] <Byan> I think you're right
455[03:48:29] <Byan> ok lets try again
456[03:48:35] <jmcnaught> what is the symlink to?
457[03:48:46] <Byan> /usr/bin
458[03:48:50] <ranix> haha
459[03:48:54] <Byan> (the way arch does things)
460[03:49:04] <ranix> why are you doing this nonsense
461[03:49:25] <Byan> because my vps doesn't ship with arch
462[03:50:07] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
463[03:50:40] <ranix> also replaced-url
464[03:50:43] <Byan> this time lets try without logging in at all..
465[03:50:54] <jmcnaught> Byan: I suspect that doing this manually, and especially trying to combine sbin and bin, will either break your system, or the package problem will break your 'solution' next time there are upgrades
466[03:51:10] <jmcnaught> Byan: you're just making problems for yourself by messing with files that are managed by packages
467[03:51:35] <Mordain> echo -e \nhello\n should print newlines on any bash shell script right ?
468[03:52:26] <Byan> could not make way for new symlink: sbin
469[03:52:27] <Mordain> oh i need quotes nm
470[03:52:33] <Byan> damn
471[03:52:43] <Byan> jmcnaught: I am really not doing that
472[03:52:51] <Byan> pacman will manage them
473[03:53:02] <Byan> the problem is that I can't setup / the way archlinux wants it
474[03:53:09] <Byan> so trying to install it breaks everything
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476[03:53:23] <ranix> what will happen when you tell pacman to manage packages in a system in which it has zero managed packages?
477[03:53:33] <ranix> I suspect it will try to install dependencies and annihilate your system
478[03:53:39] <jmcnaught> Byan: maybe you should ask the Arch channel how to install it from inside another distro. This doesn't sound like a #debian problem really
479[03:53:50] <Byan> its not
480[03:53:57] <Byan> thedeleting issue is though
481[03:54:29] <ranix> linode has a recovery mode where you can boot your system off a temporary ramdisk and mount your drive for repair purposes
482[03:54:30] <Byan> so that didnt work hmm
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484[03:54:35] <ranix> your vps might have the same solution
485[03:54:41] <Byan> doesnt seem to
486[03:54:52] <ranix> I recommend cancelling it and getting a linode
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488[03:55:00] <Byan> replaced-url
489[03:55:05] <Byan> FWIW thats what I am trying to do
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491[03:55:15] <Byan> I was using linode and I was sick of them
492[03:55:20] <Byan> keep having random downtime
493[03:55:24] <ranix> that's strange
494[03:55:26] <ranix> which datacenter
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496[03:55:47] <ranix> you can pick a different one
497[03:55:51] <Byan> hmm
498[03:55:57] <Byan> well, this is already done.
499[03:55:57] <ranix> I've had good luck with Fremont CA
500[03:56:09] <Byan> the option I am choosing is much much cheaper
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502[03:56:11] <Byan> $25/year
503[03:56:20] <ranix> not OVH right
504[03:56:26] <Byan> no
505[03:56:26] <ranix> or bluevm
506[03:56:29] <Byan> INIZ
507[03:56:30] <ranix> k
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509[03:56:54] <Byan> maybe.. I'll try to install >_> >_> ubuntu first
510[03:57:06] <ranix> they'll have the same problem Debian has with sbin
511[03:57:20] <ranix> I think INIZ should be able to get you a recovery boot
512[03:57:41] <ranix> might want to scour the website
513[03:57:41] <Byan> maybe but that requires going through support
514[03:57:46] <ranix> hmm
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516[03:57:58] <ranix> you sure there's no recovery boot option
517[03:58:36] <Byan> none that I see...
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519[03:59:14] <ranix> maybe resize the disk to be super small and install Arch on its own partition
520[03:59:36] <ranix> then boot Arch and delete the Debian partition, make a new one, and use it as a data partition or something
521[03:59:52] <ranix> this is going to be pretty tough
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525[04:01:47] <Byan> ranix: actually
526[04:01:55] <Byan> rcentos comes with the same structure of smlinks
527[04:01:58] <Byan> as arch
528[04:02:00] <Byan> lol
529[04:02:03] <Byan> I think it'll just work
530[04:02:07] <ranix> cool, gl
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533[04:02:22] <Byan> yeah we will see in a second
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540[04:03:49] <daishun> hello
541[04:04:06] <Byan> cool it worked ranix
542[04:04:10] <ranix> nice
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544[04:04:13] <Byan> no network up but at least it booted!
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546[04:05:01] <daishun> why does debian require su to run ifconfig? In contrast to ubuntu which runs it at user level.
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548[04:05:25] <jmcnaught> daishun: it doesn't require root to run
549[04:05:27] <ranix> daishun: it doesn't, they actually just moved ifconfig to /sbin and /sbin isn't in the user's path by default
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552[04:06:02] <ranix> it is a super annoying change
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554[04:06:13] <ranix> I don't remember when it happened but I noticed it
555[04:06:19] <daishun> how do I correctly add /sbin to my $PATH so that it persists?
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557[04:06:41] <ranix> add a line to bashrc
558[04:06:52] <jmcnaught> ip on the other hand is in /bin, and it's what users are encouraged to use instead of ifconfig anyways
559[04:06:54] <ranix> a Google search "bashrc path" will lead you to it
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561[04:07:31] <ranix> you just need PATH=$PATH:/new/path so the $PATH is included with the new path appended
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563[04:08:32] <ranix> jmcnaught: ip isn't suitable for non-powerusers in my opinion because it isn't friendly to using it blind
564[04:08:43] <ranix> if you type "ip" with no arguments you get a scary usage page with a ton of options
565[04:09:04] <ranix> if you type "ifconfig" you get information that more or less makes sense to a layman, so they can figure it out
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568[04:09:43] <jmcnaught> 'ip address' is not that hard a command to remember, and most people would only need to learn it once
569[04:10:04] <ranix> it doesn't seem hard, but every little bit hurts the new user
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571[04:10:28] <jmcnaught> how does the new user know ifconfig, a deprecated command, in the first place?
572[04:10:40] <ranix> who deprecated ifconfig
573[04:11:11] <jmcnaught> if they're new they might as well learn the new command than the deprecated one that isn't even installed by default as of stretch
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576[04:11:20] <ranix> if I were to guess, someone who likes changing things for shits and giggles
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578[04:11:25] <daishun> ok, ifconfig now working without sudo :)
579[04:11:26] <rjsalts> some kernel peeps
580[04:11:28] <ranix> like interfaces.d
581[04:11:46] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
582[04:11:53] <crucify_me> LambdaCalculus37, hey could I PM you?
583[04:12:10] <jmcnaught> the change was announced in 2009: replaced-url
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586[04:14:28] <Byan> as we talk about this, I wish I had installed ifconfig
587[04:14:34] <Byan> who the hell knows how to use this ip thing
588[04:14:38] <ranix> ip addr show
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590[04:14:56] <ranix> I know how to use it because it's much better for automation than scraping ifconfig
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592[04:15:14] <rjsalts> I prefer the iproute2 stuff for most things
593[04:15:27] <Giovani> Hello guys, somehow my GRUB went to space after I sent my laptop to maintenance, the guy just cleaned the insides. This is the result of boot-info replaced-url
594[04:15:33] <ranix> deprecating net-tools still starts my curmudgeon engine
595[04:15:42] <Giovani> I`ve tried to run boot repair but it didn`t worked at all
596[04:16:25] <rjsalts> ranix: it sounds like nobody wanted to work on it, so it hasn't kept up, that is all
597[04:16:57] <Byan> deprecating it is fine, but telling people not to use ifconfig for user interface is dumb
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599[04:17:06] <daishun> So what exactly is wrong with ifconfig if I want to see my interfaces and IPs? ip addr show is not easy to read
600[04:17:08] <rjsalts> ranix: it still does what it did in 2009, and those interfaces haven't changed since then
601[04:17:26] <jmcnaught> deprecating *is* telling people to stop using it because it will be removed eventually
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603[04:17:49] <Byan> jmcnaught: will it really?
604[04:17:59] <ranix> rjsalts: I liked this problem better when it was a "someone is taking my toys away" instead of a "nobody is maintaining my toys and I don't want to either"
605[04:18:14] <rjsalts> because if it comes to the stage that the kernel no longer implements whatever system call that ifconfig/net-tools use then they will stop working
606[04:18:37] <daishun> I only use it for the info. mainly to check my LAN IPs. nothing more
607[04:18:57] <daishun> also to check I have a tun0 and my vpn is up
608[04:19:35] <daishun> alias digme
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610[04:19:48] <daishun> woops wrong window xD
611[04:19:52] <jmcnaught> Byan: that's what deprecation means with computers
612[04:19:58] <Giovani> Is there a better channel I can get help with my booting problems?
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614[04:20:19] <ranix> Giovani: I looked at your problem and saw a win32 filesystem and peaced out
615[04:20:27] <jmcnaught> daishun: you might find it quicker to type "ip a" than "ifconfig"
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617[04:20:43] <Giovani> Yeah, Im dualbooting with a windows 8.
618[04:20:51] <Giovani> Only use it for gaming tho
619[04:21:05] <jmcnaught> Giovani: you didn't really ask a question. you said it went to space, whatever that means. And you tried boot repair, whatever that means.
620[04:21:06] <ranix> Giovani: what is the actual problem, your computer won't boot? What does it do when you turn it on
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622[04:21:24] <daishun> the lack of a space between the interfaces makes ip a an eyesore
623[04:21:37] <Byan> jmcnaught: tell that to things in deprecated java
624[04:21:38] <ranix> if it actually went to space and now it won't boot it's probably because of solar radiation
625[04:21:39] <Giovani> I had Debian and Windows 8. Now my GRUB isn`t showing anymore.
626[04:21:41] <Byan> never seems to go away :P
627[04:21:58] <Giovani> I`m running a live usb boot-repair-disk atm
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629[04:22:00] <ranix> Giovani: install grub on it
630[04:22:18] <ranix> probably to the MBR of the primary disk
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632[04:22:49] <Giovani> Sorry if my choose of words where poor.
633[04:23:06] <Giovani> I just doesn`t make sense for GRUB to just dissapear.
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635[04:23:24] <ranix> it makes sense for GRUB to disappear if you brought your computer with Linux on it to a shop for repair
636[04:23:52] <Artemis3> if they don't know linux yes
637[04:24:12] <ranix> it hadn't occurred to me that there might be a shop that knows linux
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639[04:24:28] <Giovani> The guy just cleaned my laptop, he said he didn`t messed with the softwares part.
640[04:24:29] <Artemis3> well i hope to run a shop someday :3
641[04:24:34] <ranix> Giovani: he liiiied
642[04:24:38] <rjsalts> the windows fix boot stuff will overwrite the MBR if bios, and probably nuke grub with extreme prejudice on EFI too (haven't tested that myself though)
643[04:25:35] <Giovani> I ran Boot repair, but nothing happens when I reboot. It goes instantly to Windows, if I try to boot from BIOS, there`s an old ubuntu there, but it leads me to MINIMAL GRUB
644[04:25:45] <ranix> Giovani: what is "Boot repair"
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646[04:26:42] <ranix> if you ran a Windows utility called "boot repair" it would remove Grub for you
647[04:26:45] <ranix> that is its purpose
648[04:26:57] <ranix> by running it, you are implicitly asking it to remove Grub
649[04:26:57] <Giovani> replaced-url
650[04:27:14] <rjsalts> Giovani: bcdedit /set {bootmgr} path \EFI\...
651[04:27:57] <ranix> looks like boot repair is replaced-url
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657[04:31:17] <daishun> what do you need Windows for?
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659[04:31:32] <Giovani> Gaming in general
660[04:31:35] <ranix> video games
661[04:32:02] <ranix> windows is only good for selling computers to people who don't know how to use computers and playing video games now
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663[04:32:06] <ranix> it's kind of a shame
664[04:32:08] <daishun> steam has a decent linux selection
665[04:32:20] <ranix> most of the linux games have poor or nonexistant linux support
666[04:32:37] <ranix> like you'll launch one and be greeted with an error message and six hours of debug
667[04:32:50] <ranix> or inverted colors and gpu fan speed set at maximum
668[04:32:52] <Giovani> I`ve wine, but more modern games just doesnt run as they should.
669[04:32:59] <Artemis3> thankfully i been doing fine with my games tyvm
670[04:33:12] <ranix> do you play x3
671[04:33:17] <Artemis3> yes
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673[04:33:23] <ranix> how does it run on Linux?
674[04:33:36] <Artemis3> perfectly fine as far as i know
675[04:33:38] <ranix> nice
676[04:33:41] <ranix> I'll check it out
677[04:33:44] <Artemis3> no crashes or anything
678[04:33:49] <daishun> try ballistic overkill if you like COD. It's only $10USD
679[04:34:23] <Giovani> rjsalts: When I try to run it on terminal it says bcdedit is not found.
680[04:34:42] <HeXiLeD> stretch. shutdown -r or -P (and others) as well as reboot and halt, do not work. The system kills a few process but i have to force the kernel to work. This is while using root. So any ideas ?
681[04:35:04] <daishun> My next gaming rig will be a console. I used to be a big RTS gamer but that's pretty much non-existent anymore other than SC2 which is still very dated itself
682[04:35:32] <rjsalts> Giovani: in an administrator shell on windows?
683[04:35:58] <ranix> daishun: that's what I said last time I bought a gaming PC, then I saw how awful the consoles are these days. When a console is released there just are no games for it for 2 years, then it's poor outdated hardware
684[04:36:02] <Giovani> rjsalts: Oooohhh, Im on a live usb atm, sorry for that.
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686[04:36:12] <Giovani> Anything I can do from this side?
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689[04:36:48] <ranix> Giovani: I think that boot util you've been using is capable of resurrecting your MBR if you provide it the right combination of options, but it's quite complex
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691[04:37:38] <Giovani> ranix: Yeah, I think Ive downloaded a wrong version of it, because a lot of the Advanced settings aren`t showing here.
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693[04:37:52] <Giovani> Gonna try to do it again. Brb, gonna boot into windows.
694[04:38:20] <daishun> I miss racing games. Nothing on PC other than the hardcore sims that need a wheel
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696[04:41:08] <Artemis3> hmmm... speed dreams?
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700[04:41:58] <Artemis3> i do own a wheel tho :3
701[04:42:04] <Artemis3> but you don't really need it
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704[04:42:26] <Artemis3> except maybe in truck simulator xD
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714[04:47:22] <ranix> daishun: elite dangerous is where it's at these days
715[04:47:43] <Artemis3> still wondering if Star Citizen will see a linux client
716[04:47:50] <daishun> @Artemis3, will speed dreams run on intel HD3000? That's all I have atm as I left my desktop in another country
717[04:48:05] <Artemis3> daishan, i think so yes. try it, its free xD
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719[04:50:12] <daishun> @ranix, looks good, just don't have the hardware atm
720[04:50:28] <daishun> I'll try speed dreams sometime
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723[04:52:05] <daishun> I wish I had the cash to build a nice gaming rig
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727[04:53:21] <daishun> Windows drives me crazy though. The last time I installed Windows 10 I spent an hour uninstalling bloatware then it all came back by itself
728[04:53:43] <Artemis3> it never ends
729[04:53:43] <daishun> sudo apt purge windows
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732[04:55:03] <ranix> yeah I'll need a new windows machine soon. It's so hard to upgrade those things so frequently when my Debian machines always outlive the hardware
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735[04:55:41] <ranix> I have never had an unrepairable issue with Debian that I've just wanted to toss the whole pc and get a new one for
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738[04:58:08] <daishun> I've not been using Debian long. I was a long time Mint user. I've had Debian for a month. Not much difference really. I like how firefox runs on debian. For some reason it's very laggy on mint. I had to use chromium.
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741[04:59:07] <daishun> Also like how Debian removes the telementary option on FF iceweasel. Serious privacy concern
742[04:59:18] <ranix> I've found that package maintenance in debian derivatives tends to lag behind in quality compared to debian's
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744[04:59:31] <ranix> it's easier to drink from the fire hose
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748[04:59:53] <ranix> different distros are known for different behavior, like ubuntu tends to be cavalier in switching to new systems
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755[05:00:55] <daishun> The main thing is that I can run cinnamon so for that reason I can't use ubuntu. I actually prefer the cinnamon appearance more on debian and it's nice to have the choise to switch desktop environments
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757[05:01:49] <ranix> it would annoy me a great deal if I couldn't use my favorite wm
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760[05:02:25] <daishun> I did try mate desktop on ubuntu. crash crash crash
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762[05:02:59] <daishun> mint was stable. not crashed once on debian so far, no freezes or nothing
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791[05:14:42] <alexlikerock> happy debian day
792[05:14:46] <alexlikerock> o/
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804[05:23:03] <Tom-_> what is it Debian's birthday?
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806[05:23:20] <Tom-_> what do you know, it is
807[05:23:34] <gert_> nice, happy birthday
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812[05:24:53] <Tom-_> 20th birthday, too :) replaced-url
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814[05:25:02] <Tom-_> happy birthday. :)
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818[05:25:27] <ranix> <3
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821[05:26:45] <alexlikerock> yep, i love debian & Devuan
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823[05:26:54] <alexlikerock> <3
824[05:27:00] <alexlikerock> <3
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829[05:27:55] <hazzy> replaced-url
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831[05:28:46] <Henry151> wow
832[05:28:49] <Logg> nice graphic.
833[05:28:50] <Henry151> happy debian day
834[05:28:56] <hazzy> Thanks
835[05:28:57] <Henry151> I <3 debian too :)
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838[05:29:29] <PhotonSm> So many freenode people spamming porn what the fuck
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840[05:29:47] <alexlikerock> dont open
841[05:29:50] <ranix> yeah I can never remember how to set my umode to reject /messages
842[05:29:52] <PhotonSm> Who has the ban hammer here?
843[05:30:04] <PhotonSm> I opened the first one because I didn't know what it was
844[05:30:06] <Artemis3> you know its actually quite sad considering the end of its Author, you know the Ian part of the name...
845[05:30:22] <ranix> wasn't he murdered by the police
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848[05:30:45] <numbdewd> PhotonSm: replaced-url
849[05:30:49] <Artemis3> and Debra divorced him in 2008, its quite sad actually
850[05:30:50] <alexlikerock> cop where you are?!
851[05:30:51] <numbdewd> (afaik, usually such cases be taken more serious than any phishing or such ever was -- and near always, almost instant after report has been sent in they take action..usually swift). serious shit lol
852[05:31:36] <Artemis3> the Debian logo is actually two halves of a heart, and Deb Ian would be just that a couple.
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854[05:32:15] <PhotonSm> Huh?
855[05:32:46] <Artemis3> its so sad i would have changed the project name at this point
856[05:32:50] <numbdewd> jessie,stretch etc.. hs there ever been a Debbie yet ? or presumed likely to ever be asa such? ..i thought seemed to match anyway,tho not even a common name whre im frmo. lol
857[05:33:17] <numbdewd> Artemis3: hm.. sounds romanti,c, if only i understood more of what u were talkingabout even more so, i guess
858[05:33:19] <numbdewd> :o
859[05:33:21] <Logg> Debian releases are named after Toy Story characters
860[05:33:51] <numbdewd> aha.. lotta characters to take from ? hmm
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862[05:33:59] <Logg> Yes. :)
863[05:34:00] <Artemis3> numbdewd, geek wants to impress girl, he makes linux distro with half his name and half her name, to top it, the logo is a heart with two colors on each side, current logo is half ot that
864[05:34:01] <numbdewd> have we had Buzz Lightyear yet (or part of the name anyway)
865[05:34:13] <Logg> We have had a Debian Buzz, yes.
866[05:34:20] <LeelooMinai> Hmm cannot find fastd in stretch repo - any recommendation on equivalent?
867[05:34:25] <numbdewd> Artemis3: oo.. lol, nice..=D lucky couple, unusual match it sounds:o)
868[05:34:26] <Artemis3> numbdewd, said geek died, and said girl divorced him
869[05:34:29] <Logg> I'm about to install Debian Potato on an old Pentium III from the same era
870[05:34:38] <numbdewd> o_@.. :/
871[05:34:42] <Artemis3> ok the divorce was first
872[05:34:53] <Artemis3> but you get my meaning... its sad, tragic
873[05:35:21] <Logg> This channel is really for support, so try #debian-offtopic for non-support discussion...
874[05:35:36] <numbdewd> lets pretend they dealt with their differences, got back together , didnt bother announcing it widely, .. lived happiily ever after..last seen on a sailboat said to head around the planet on some voyage,
875[05:36:06] <LeelooMinai> Logg: Was that about my question?
876[05:36:40] <Artemis3> Logg, you can install the current in a PIII, i installed potato in a p100, which i happen to still have, i just haven't turned it on for a decade or so
877[05:36:47] <Logg> LeelooMinai, that was in reference to all this talk about Ian and Debbie and the shape of the logo, which clutters the channel.
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881[05:37:23] <Logg> Artemis3, I know current release would work on a pentium iii, but I want to try a period appropriate release for fun. :-)
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884[05:38:32] <LeelooMinai> Logg: A, ok, I never know - #debian is so broad that not sure what goes and what not:)
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886[05:39:21] <Logg> LeelooMinai, looks like fastd is in stretch to me replaced-url
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889[05:40:25] <LeelooMinai> Er...
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892[05:40:37] <LeelooMinai> Wait, I just searched for it...
893[05:40:55] <Logg> maybe it was added in the couple minutes since you searched. :)
894[05:40:56] <LeelooMinai> A, ok, fail - I meant fasd not fastd
895[05:41:46] <LeelooMinai> The command lind cd and others helper thing (never used it, but thought it may be nice)
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897[05:42:12] <Logg> Never heard of it. What's it do?
898[05:42:28] <numbdewd> replaced-url
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900[05:42:50] <LeelooMinai> It can fuzzy search for directory name fragments, etc. - like autojump + other utilities I guess
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902[05:42:58] <numbdewd> (replace "allpackages" with packagename for infoz^)
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908[05:43:34] <PhotonSm> Holy shit how do I block pms in irssi, I keep getting more port
909[05:43:34] <alexlikerock> more porn to everu one :-)
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911[05:43:39] <PhotonSm> fuck you
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915[05:43:50] <Hoolootwo> usermod +R
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919[05:44:04] <Logg> LeelooMinai: I like the package "command-not-found" to suggest packages to install if I don't have a binary I need. And I usually just use tab completion or page-up history completion for commands
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921[05:44:08] <alexlikerock> yes hooloo
922[05:44:13] <LeelooMinai> I always feel sad in the command line typing directory names I just typed 10 minutes ago - even with tab and ctrl-r etc. it feels annoying.
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926[05:44:18] <random_numbers> The hell is up with the spam.
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928[05:44:30] <PhotonSm> Someone needs a hobby
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933[05:45:01] <alexlikerock> yeah
934[05:45:02] <LeelooMinai> Right, I got those annoying children links too - they are working on it, and in the meantime +R is good as it block all msgs from unidentified nicks
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940[05:45:20] <PhotonSm> Looked at one, regret it
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942[05:45:23] <LeelooMinai> I mean children were naked, not annoying - the links were:)
943[05:45:28] <tesko> brb
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945[05:45:34] <PhotonSm> :/
946[05:45:41] <raktajino> yikes
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948[05:45:46] <dpyro> ty for +R
949[05:45:49] <PhotonSm> ^
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951[05:46:01] <dpyro> managed to avoid that kind of stuff so far until now
952[05:46:15] <PhotonSm> Same
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956[05:47:19] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, ok, command-not-found seems a good idea.
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958[05:47:59] <Logg> yeah, command-not-found is great. It tells you if you need super user permission to run a command too, instead of implying that the package isn't installed.
959[05:48:24] <Artemis3> just block pms
960[05:48:49] <PhotonSm> Blocked pms, joins and parts too finally
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962[05:48:55] <PhotonSm> And quits
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965[05:50:32] <LeelooMinai> Installed it, but get "Could not find the database of available applications, run update-command-not-found as root to fix this". I did that, but still the same - weird.
966[05:50:57] <gert_> I don't use IRC that often is /umode the fix?
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969[05:51:30] <Logg> LeelooMinai, it'll work. maybe `apt-get update` and try again.
970[05:51:31] <LeelooMinai> /mode
971[05:51:34] <Namidairo> /mode nickname +R
972[05:52:01] <alt0id> Namidairo: thanks
973[05:52:02] <LeelooMinai> Ok, now I have to ask...
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975[05:52:22] <LeelooMinai> Namidairo: How did you type / there at first char - escaped it or something?
976[05:52:32] <Logg> maybe they used a 0 width space
977[05:52:35] <Namidairo> start with double //
978[05:52:43] <Logg> neat.
979[05:52:47] <LeelooMinai> Ok, OCD here:)
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983[05:54:35] <DesertRock> So I’m running a RPi with raspbian. I have a wifi dongle that only works once and awhile. I’ve noticed that it might be correlated to the USB device number (correlation != causation, but I’m hopeful). How does debian find usb devices that are good canidates for a network interface
984[05:54:58] <Logg> raspbian support is in #raspbian
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988[05:56:44] <ranix> ah it's mode +R to ignore messages from unauthenticated users on freenode
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990[05:56:57] <ranix> for anyone who was getting spammed and forgot how to block it
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992[05:57:48] <Hydrastra> getting spammed here as well
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995[05:58:05] <ranix> for irssi you can ignore all direct communication with /ignore * DCC
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997[05:58:14] <b4b> it’s prolly jims spam nbot doing it
998[05:58:17] <Hydrastra> thnx
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1000[05:58:47] <ranix> hmm +R isn't stopping it though
1001[05:59:09] <LeelooMinai> lol, got a dongle thing that pretends it's a monitor (has edid flash inside), so I can have Debian without monitor, but use it remotely at high res directly with x11vnc
1002[05:59:11] <zerokelvinkeyboa> Noob question, but how do you apply modes?
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1004[05:59:29] <zerokelvinkeyboa> I keep getting spammed.
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1006[05:59:35] <Logg> /mode zerokelvinkeyboa +R
1007[05:59:37] <ranix> /mode <mode>
1008[05:59:43] <b4b> i want to get into tedious computer science but the iq requirements are 50-70
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1010[05:59:52] <random_numbers> What does +R do?
1011[05:59:55] <ranix> say ah I actually failed to apply +R because I used the wrong syntax and that's why it didn't work
1012[05:59:58] <b4b> maybe if i drink tons of alcohol i can get in
1013[05:59:58] <ranix> thanks Logg
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1015[06:00:10] <ranix> random_numbers: it prevents unregistered users from querying you
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1017[06:00:20] <random_numbers> ranix: I see. Thanks
1018[06:00:21] <LeelooMinai> And the dongle inside has like 30 resolutions up to 4K - every resolution one could have, but of course it does not have one for my monitor (2560x1080) - Murphy got me again.
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1021[06:01:21] <ranix> LeelooMinai: wow lame
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1024[06:01:50] <mns> ranix: I get "Unkown mode character R" when I do /mode +R
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1030[06:02:15] <Logg> LeelooMinai, I don't think you need a monitor attached to start a VNC session. VNC can start a new desktop instead of attaching to one that already exists.
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1034[06:02:44] <Logg> mns, it's "/mode mns +R"
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1039[06:03:14] <LeelooMinai> Right, well, that's the first thing I did, but apparently it's not really the same - tried linuxcnc for example and it would not run because it needs real hardware for opengl or who knows what.
1040[06:03:15] <mns> duh !
1041[06:03:47] <Logg> LeelooMinai, sounds great. lol
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1043[06:03:55] <ranix> LeelooMinai: linuxcnc needs real time linux, you can't use ex. SATA hard disks when you are using linuxcnc
1044[06:04:10] <ranix> I've set it up before, it's a sizeable pain in the ass
1045[06:04:29] <ranix> I think there are better implementations now for arduino or raspberry pi
1046[06:04:49] <ranix> maybe it was IDE hard disks that you couldn't use
1047[06:04:53] <ranix> PATA
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1049[06:04:56] <LeelooMinai> So x11vnc connected to :0.0 is actually working, but still - my realvnc client for example scrolls into virtual desktops if I move the cursor too close to the bottom - it's maddening.
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1051[06:05:17] <LeelooMinai> Like it sees some scary dektop res with all virtual desktops stacked vertically:)
1052[06:05:23] <ranix> are you actually running a real time kernel
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1056[06:05:45] <Logg> LeelooMinai, you need a client that will hide the buffer space
1057[06:05:51] <LeelooMinai> ranix: Yes. I mean not on this debian (this is only for linuxcnc sim), but on other, yes.
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1059[06:05:55] <ranix> ah ok
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1061[06:06:07] <ranix> I was going to say the real time kernel can mess with graphics acceleration
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1064[06:06:27] <LeelooMinai> I am almost tempted to buy some HDMI-switch and run the cable to my main monitor directly to get rid of all this madness.
1065[06:07:16] <LeelooMinai> Yesterday my keys would not repeat - there's always something:(
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1068[06:07:47] <ranix> how come you have a vnc client connected directly to your primary x session
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1071[06:08:00] <LeelooMinai> Through x11vnc
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1073[06:08:10] <LeelooMinai> That's what it can do.
1074[06:08:22] <ranix> is it just weird to be doing it locally
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1077[06:08:51] <LeelooMinai> What do you mean "locally"?
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1084[06:09:26] <LeelooMinai> I mean the PC is in my home, but in the basement - two floors down...
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1088[06:09:42] <ranix> I was assuming the significance of :0.0 was that you were connecting with a vnc client running on the pc running the x server, which would be weird for x11vnc
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1090[06:10:15] <r_rios> Hello, all. I managed to successfully upgrade to Stretch (using Plasma), but enabling OpenGL compositing makes the screen freeze. Any ideas?
1091[06:10:18] <LeelooMinai> No, from Win 10 (ok, no I am burned here...:)
1092[06:10:25] <ranix> o ok
1093[06:11:00] <Logg> LeelooMinai, You can do hdmi over ethernet... might be more sane than a cable going 2 stories
1094[06:11:19] <Logg> dunno though, I never used it.
1095[06:11:21] <ranix> how's the performance with x11vnc
1096[06:11:41] <LeelooMinai> Too late - I already tore down the walls in the past and put 3 tubes for cables in there:)
1097[06:11:50] <Logg> lol
1098[06:11:52] <ranix> I used to use xdmcp for a lot of stuff at work and the performance for video or graphical apps was poor
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1100[06:12:27] <LeelooMinai> So now I have like 4 HDMI cables there, ethernet one, and lot's of USB ones and even air hose from my compressor in the basement is there...
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1102[06:13:02] <Logg> honestly a smart idea to have pipes in the walls. I'll probably do that too.
1103[06:13:30] <LeelooMinai> Well, it's great once you have it - zero noise from computers, no problems with heat also.
1104[06:13:42] <ranix> it's kind of stupid not to have if you think about it
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1108[06:14:15] <ranix> we should have a better system for romex installation that allows for rerunning wire without tearing walls down too
1109[06:14:17] <LeelooMinai> All new houses should have fiber in the walls if it was me:)
1110[06:15:26] <LeelooMinai> ranix: Well, I did not reall tear down whole walls - I did holes in strategic locations and patched them later, but still - was a PITA.
1111[06:16:07] <ranix> idk why the walls have to be flat
1112[06:16:14] <LeelooMinai> lol
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1114[06:16:22] <ranix> I think it would be cooler if there were service doors like for the breaker box
1115[06:16:29] <Logg> #debian-offtopic. :) but yeh agreed
1116[06:16:34] <ranix> oh yeah, sorry
1117[06:16:55] <LeelooMinai> Was kind of on topic, but escallated - as always.
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1119[06:17:29] <Logg> I think wall access panels are only very loosely related to the topic of debian support lol. :P
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1121[06:17:51] <LeelooMinai> They can be to have access to debian:)
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1124[06:18:40] <Shadur> ... Is there a way to disable receiving /msg from non-registered nicks? I'm getting spammed with crappy porn urls by randoms.
1125[06:18:50] <LeelooMinai> /mode +R nick
1126[06:19:17] <maxcell_> Can i have an opinion on this log? replaced-url
1127[06:19:19] <Logg> I think it'd be "/mode Shadur +R"
1128[06:19:30] <Shadur> Thanks.
1129[06:20:03] <LeelooMinai> Right
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1131[06:20:40] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: if this log isn't from Debian you should ask in the channel for your distro, or ##linux which I see you have already done
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1133[06:20:56] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, yep
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1135[06:21:33] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i have this messages every distros thats why i asked here
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1137[06:21:37] <jmcnaught> with irssi you can do '/umode +R', also +g is caller-id which blocks even registered users until you /accept them
1138[06:21:51] <maxcell_> dont bother the help its ok
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1148[06:24:21] <Blendify_i5> Hi I am having an issue libssl1.0.0 in seems that it cannot find the package
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1152[06:25:24] <Logg> Blendify_i5, try replaced-url
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1154[06:25:40] <jmcnaught> ,v libssl1.0.2
1155[06:25:41] <judd> Package: libssl1.0.2 on amd64 -- sid: 1.0.2l-2; buster: 1.0.2l-2; stretch: 1.0.2l-2
1156[06:26:15] <Blendify_i5> Logg, already installed
1157[06:26:30] <jmcnaught> that's going to be closer, but if it's some third party package that hasn't been updated for stretch yet, you could either run it in jessie, or install the libssl1.0.0 package from jessie
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1161[06:28:11] <Blendify_i5> jmcnaught, how would I go about that?
1162[06:28:46] <jmcnaught> !jessie sources.list
1163[06:28:47] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for Debian 8 "Jessie" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
1164[06:28:52] <rauno> gabrielc: `Kevin found with tcpdump -nn -v -i eno1 -s 1500 -c 1 '(ether[12:2]=0x88cc or ether[20:2]=0x2000)'
1165[06:29:04] <rauno> that i indeed have a 1043 vlan existing on switch
1166[06:29:42] <jmcnaught> Blendify_i5: you woudl add at least the first two deb lines from above. Note that it's somewhat okay to add repos for an *older* release, if you add repos for a newer release you will mess your system up
1167[06:30:12] <Blendify_i5> ok
1168[06:30:13] <jmcnaught> Blendify_i5: also note that any jessie packages you have installed will stop getting security updates sooner than the stretch packages will
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1170[06:30:47] <Rusty1_> !ops a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode
1171[06:30:47] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: rusty1_ complains about: a bit of trouble with spamming pm's , perhaps take it up with freenode
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1177[06:32:45] <pragomer> hi. I discussed this few days ago but found no solution: please lock screen under debian9 xfce AND under xubuntu 16.04: in debian I have to input both my username and password, in xubuntu only my pw. how can I get this behavior in debian?
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1181[06:34:06] <HotSwap> Rusty1_ freenode knows. set /mode Rusty1_ +R
1182[06:34:31] <HotSwap> thats about all the advice freenode has
1183[06:35:01] <Rusty1_> thx HotSwap
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1189[06:37:10] <Blendify_i5> jmcnaught, it did not seem to work
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2063[07:00:54] <raktajino> only if you pinky swear it's just for us
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2089[07:09:32] <HeXiLeD> too many things seem to be broken and lacking of dependencies for updated packages with stretch or is it just me ?
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2105[07:14:34] <themill> HeXiLeD: there are no broken dependencies in stretch. Not a single one.
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2108[07:15:45] <HeXiLeD> well after the update from jessie, i have packages that cant be upgraded but need dependencies that are not available or can be met
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2119[07:19:36] <rjsalts> there were a lot of things which were removed from debian between jessie and stretch
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2122[07:20:00] <HeXiLeD> that does explain a few things
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2124[07:20:23] <r_rios> Hello, all. I managed to successfully upgrade to Stretch (using Plasma), but enabling OpenGL compositing makes the screen freeze. Any ideas?
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2127[07:20:45] <rjsalts> if they're orphaned packages there is a good chance they won't work
2128[07:21:29] <r_rios> Also, my kernel hasn't been updated. Is that normal?
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2132[07:22:39] <rjsalts> r_rios: anything in Xorg logs? I think the kernel thing depends on whether you had the metapackage installed
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2134[07:24:24] <rjsalts> r_rios: i.e. if you have linux-image-amd64 it will upgrade, but if you had linux-image-3.16.0-4-amd64 then it wouldn't
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2138[07:25:51] <rjsalts> HeXiLeD: if they're something you're very attached to you may be able to compile them from the source package that was in jessie
2139[07:25:56] <HeXiLeD> one problem i got after the update was that reboot and shutdown stopped working. i have to force reboots and shutdowns via kernel
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2141[07:26:46] <rjsalts> HeXiLeD: you mean shutdown and reboot commands don't work? or something in your window manager for logout/shutdown/reboot?
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2143[07:27:10] <HeXiLeD> cmd line
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2148[07:27:27] <HeXiLeD> shutdown -P -r reboot -f and so on
2149[07:27:28] <rjsalts> HeXiLeD: and when you say doing it in the kernel, do you mean alt-sysreq?
2150[07:27:40] <r_rios> rjsalts: Ah, that makes sense (about the kernel). I remember trying to downgrade the kernel due to various issues
2151[07:27:48] <r_rios> A long time ago
2152[07:28:02] <HeXiLeD> echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq
2153[07:28:04] <HeXiLeD> echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
2154[07:28:07] <r_rios> I'll take a look at the xorg logs
2155[07:28:08] <HeXiLeD> so ya
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2158[07:29:31] <rjsalts> that does sound weird and broken
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2160[07:30:40] <HeXiLeD> also lost the webcam. nothing shouws up on lsusb anymore. replaced-url
2161[07:30:43] <rjsalts> but I don't know what would be causing it
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2163[07:31:09] <r_rios> rjsalts: I couldn't find any suspicious things in the xorg logs
2164[07:31:19] <r_rios> What should I look for?
2165[07:31:19] <rjsalts> HeXiLeD: 404
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2167[07:31:34] <rjsalts> r_rios: so it's just locking up?
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2169[07:32:03] <rjsalts> r_rios: maybe kern.log as well
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2172[07:32:40] <StarFire> Hello World
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2176[07:33:25] <HeXiLeD> rjsalts: google points out to some kernel bugs
2177[07:33:31] <r_rios> rjsalts: Not even a lockup, I think. The cursor moves, I can switch to a vt, disable compositing in order to get things working again. Just the output is frozen.
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2181[07:34:57] <r_rios> glxgears works
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2185[07:37:20] <rjsalts> oh, maybe check the .xsession-errors
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2187[07:37:37] <rjsalts> sounds like the window manager might be locking up or something
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2205[07:44:05] <r_rios> rjsalts: When I try to enable OpenGL compositing, this gets appended to .xsession-errors: replaced-url
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2220[07:49:10] <rjsalts> r_rios: that seems informational, what about when it freezes?
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2223[07:50:07] <ghoti> Is it possible for `find` to match files whose inode link count equals or exceeds some number?
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2245[07:56:33] <Mined> have anyone of you encountered a monero-malware on a debian machine hosting websites?
2246[07:56:35] <Mined> monero is a cryptocurrency, and the malware apparently mines that crypto for some idiot somewhere
2247[07:58:02] <rjsalts> ghoti: find -links
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2249[07:58:50] <rjsalts> ghoti: so find . -links +4
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2252[07:59:35] <ghoti> rjsalts: Ah, brilliant, thanks! The man page's description of -links is rather terse and doesn't mention what kind of links.
2253[08:00:03] <rjsalts> ghoti: what other kind is there?
2254[08:00:44] <ghoti> Well .. symbolic, I suppose. But the point is, my search was for "inode" rather than "link".
2255[08:01:00] <rjsalts> yeah, I started with that search too
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2259[08:01:34] <rjsalts> but then I did stat foo and saw Links: ... and went back to the find man page
2260[08:01:53] <AlwaysHigh> any of u getting loads of pm's with a clbin link
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2262[08:02:11] <fireba11> AlwaysHigh: got those a while ago, yes
2263[08:02:21] <ghoti> AlwaysHigh: everyone on FN is. THey're images on a web site promoting nudism.
2264[08:02:28] <rjsalts> AlwaysHigh: nope, just attempts after I did /mode +g
2265[08:02:36] <fireba11> rjsalts: :-D
2266[08:02:39] <AlwaysHigh> oh lol
2267[08:02:40] <Haohmaru> promoting nudism? dafuq
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2270[08:02:51] <darxmurf> morning all
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2272[08:03:14] <r_rios> rjsalts: That's when it freezes. There's no more info than that
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2274[08:03:41] <bogus-> you cant promote nudism enough ;p
2275[08:04:02] <Haohmaru> nudism is kinda.. wrong
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2278[08:05:11] <ghoti> Haohmaru: but popular! And off-topic.
2279[08:05:43] <rjsalts> r_rios: I can't think of another avenue to troubleshoot
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2281[08:05:56] <trev1> hey how do i stop those messages
2282[08:06:05] <iodev> trev1: /mode trev1 +R
2283[08:06:08] <rjsalts> trev1: /mode trev1 +g
2284[08:06:17] <r_rios> rjsalts: No problem :). Thanks a lor for your time
2285[08:06:23] <r_rios> *a lot
2286[08:06:40] <iodev> rjsalts: what is +g?
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2289[08:07:01] <rjsalts> iodev: just informs you that someone attempted to send you a message
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2291[08:07:16] <rjsalts> iodev: and you have to /accept it
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2293[08:07:29] <iodev> ahh, but there will be tens of "informations"
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2296[08:08:14] <iodev> I'll try it
2297[08:08:19] <rjsalts> both +R and +g have their downsides
2298[08:08:21] <Haohmaru> if you set mode +R then you won't see my messages too
2299[08:08:45] <Haohmaru> that would be so cruel
2300[08:08:46] <rjsalts> The +R blocks private messages from unregistered users
2301[08:09:03] <leibniz> why is that happening?
2302[08:09:07] <leibniz> who is doing that
2303[08:09:09] <leibniz> ?
2304[08:09:17] <iodev> leibniz: a botnet
2305[08:09:25] <iodev> probably
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2307[08:09:29] <Haohmaru> a herd of nude bots
2308[08:09:48] <iodev> cut it out!
2309[08:10:05] <leibniz> dude my urlserver is going to be distributing chipo
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2311[08:10:10] <leibniz> x_x
2312[08:10:16] <Logg> #debian-offtopic for all non debian support related chat plz
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2315[08:10:38] <iodev> okay +g works fine
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2317[08:11:18] <StarFire> Updates the company´s server yesterday to Debian 9.1
2318[08:11:41] <StarFire> I hoped the Kernel update would speed up the SSDs from 3Gbps to 6Gbps
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2320[08:11:50] <StarFire> But nope, still 3Gbps
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2322[08:12:07] <StarFire> Is it, because it is a Samsung 850 PRO?
2323[08:12:16] <Logg> you might have them plugged in to 3 Gbps sata ports StarFire
2324[08:12:52] <iodev> StarFire: actually 6 Gbps needs SATA 3 Hardware
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2330[08:13:59] <Logg> StarFire, Google says Samsung 850 Pro is a 6 Gbps drive, which is not surprising, most of them would be now.
2331[08:13:59] <StarFire> maybe, I´ve just found in dmesg: ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0200 32 slots 6 ports 3 Gbps 0x3f impl RAID mode
2332[08:14:27] <iodev> that's a 3 Gbps port
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2334[08:14:56] <Logg> StarFire, look up the motherboard model number and see if it has 6 Gbps sata ports. If not, you would need a new motherboard or a 6 Gbps PCIe expansion card... or just use it at 3 Gbps.
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2337[08:15:31] <StarFire> Logg: Thank you, will do...
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2355[08:20:26] <StarFire> Hmm...
2356[08:20:45] <StarFire> The second updated server says: ahci 0000:00:1f.2: AHCI 0001.0300 32 slots 6 ports 6 Gbps 0x3 impl SATA mode
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2358[08:21:16] <StarFire> But smartctl says: SATA Version is: SATA 3.1, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
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2365[08:22:41] <StarFire> and hdparm -I says: Transport: Serial, ATA8-AST, SATA 1.0a, SATA II Extensions, SATA Rev 2.5, SATA Rev 2.6, SATA Rev 3.0
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2368[08:22:57] <StarFire> Looks like it _SHOULD_ work...
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2378[08:26:51] <darxmurf> what the hell with those spam by private messages ?
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2390[08:28:28] <eck> set your umode +R
2391[08:28:31] <Logg> they're working on it darxmurf. set mode +R with "/mode darxmurf +R" for now to stop private messages from non-registered users.
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2395[08:30:25] <StarFire> I still think it is the Samsung 850
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2397[08:30:42] <StarFire> it is blacklisted for a reason in the kernel...
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2399[08:31:11] <darxmurf> thanks
2400[08:31:48] <StarFire> "Samsung SSD 8*", NULL, ATA_HORKAGE_NO_NCQ_TRIM |
2401[08:31:48] <StarFire> ATA_HORKAGE_ZERO_AFTER_TRIM,
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2788[10:27:44] <user4711> Installed stretch, xfce4, geary. In geary checkboxes are not visible. Same in firefox-esr. In gtk3-demo: Terrible look, not a single widget (right term?) like it should be, mainly unvisible. May be a GTK3 issue? Tested several themes, that contain GTK3 icons, settings etc.. Used lxappearance to change themes, and looked at .config/gtk-3.0/settings.ini if changes are written in. Still no success. Any ideas?
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2797[10:30:30] <colo-work> lxappearance && xfce4 seems like a strange combination. but he's gone now anway.
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2842[10:51:16] <DK21> hello
2843[10:51:33] <DK21> is there a way to remove a mdraid disk and put it into a new server removing the mdraid?
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2845[10:52:18] <alwyn> When putting packages in the blacklist of unattended-upgrades, how specific do I have to be? I see it supports regex, what kind of formatting is expected? I can't seem to find any good examples.
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2856[10:56:35] <jelly> DK21: use mdadm --zero-superblock to wipe the md signature from a member device after removing it from any arrays
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2934[11:24:16] <prompt32> HELLO, i run a jessie 64bit system, i have already install the gcc??-multilib and multiarch-support packages, but my machine still canot run i386 executables (cannot execute binary file: Exec format error). What else packages, i must install ?
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2937[11:26:20] <Almtesh> prompt32, does dpkg --print-foreign-architectures print you i386?
2938[11:26:46] <prompt32> yes
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2942[11:27:42] <Almtesh> prompt32, ok, I tried. No other idea for the moment.
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2947[11:29:07] <prompt32> i have done this replaced-url
2948[11:30:03] <prompt32> ^ but .... replaced-url
2949[11:30:22] <prompt32> Almtesh, thank you, anyway
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2955[11:32:57] <oerheks> prompt32, i find this page, maybe it is a help replaced-url
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2957[11:33:49] <oerheks> see comment, after adding i386, run update
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2974[11:39:35] <prompt32> oerheks, thanks, i have already make this, look my first pastebin.
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2985[11:48:05] <prompt32> Can somebody the contents, and the file contents, of '/etc/ld.so.conf.d/' , of a working multirach 64bit system ?
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2992[11:49:13] <dsc_> I have a ati radeon 4800 on jessie
2993[11:49:21] <dsc_> what drivers do I fetch?
2994[11:49:22] <towo^work> aha
2995[11:49:43] <towo^work> linux-firmware-nonfree
2996[11:50:01] <enkrypt> could it be that recent updates in debian buster broke gnome-screenshot?
2997[11:50:02] <towo^work> xserver-xorg-video-ati should be allready there
2998[11:50:13] <towo^work> possible
2999[11:50:23] <dsc_> towo^work: seems to be already installed, yes
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3002[11:50:30] <dsc_> but I read somewhere that 4800 is not supporte danymore
3003[11:50:35] <towo^work> dsc_, so you only need the firmware
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3005[11:50:48] <towo^work> dsc_, its not supported by fglrx
3006[11:51:02] <towo^work> dsc_, free drivers supports that chipset fine
3007[11:51:07] <dsc_> oh okay, cool
3008[11:51:11] <dsc_> so what do I install exactly?
3009[11:51:18] <prompt32> ^^ for f in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/*; do echo "[i] $f"; cat $f; echo; done
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3013[11:52:04] <dsc_> prompt32: that was for me? :)
3014[11:52:12] <jelly> prompt32: which release? replaced-url
3015[11:52:20] <irontux> hi, debport for debian? Architecture amd64 and i386? Where are they?
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3017[11:52:28] <jelly> prompt32: oops, that's i386
3018[11:52:43] <jelly> irontux: what's "debport"?
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3021[11:53:12] <irontux> #jelly debports sources.list (repository)
3022[11:53:59] <jelly> never heard of it
3023[11:54:12] <prompt32> jelly, your system is x86_64 ?
3024[11:54:28] <jelly> prompt32: it's i386 with amd64 multiarch added.
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3027[11:54:47] <prompt32> ^ the opsite eh ? :)
3028[11:54:53] <jelly> yes
3029[11:55:29] <prompt32> what packages you install for this. Does it runs smooth ?
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3031[11:55:39] <prompt32> ^
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3037[11:58:30] <LorD_n1c0w> fuck this, a lot of spam are chatting me
3038[11:58:42] <LorD_n1c0w> saying the network will change
3039[11:58:52] <prompt32> ****** what all this f**ink messages ' This IRC network is moving to irc.oftc.net. Please pm kline for more information. **** ????'
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3041[12:00:02] <kline> prompt32, you've just been successfully trolled
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3043[12:00:33] <jelly> freenode is currently suffering from a wave of PM spam. Please do not follow links. Please set `/mode yournick +R` to minimise spam.
3044[12:00:53] <LorD_n1c0w> alredy do that
3045[12:00:54] <jelly> this will hide private messages from any unregistered users.
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3049[12:02:04] <jelly> LorD_n1c0w: if you have more issues, or some stuff is getting to you even after that, ask for help in #freenode and keep this channel for Debian tech support. Thanks.
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3054[12:02:29] <LorD_n1c0w> I don't have issues now
3055[12:02:37] <LorD_n1c0w> I am working
3056[12:02:42] <LorD_n1c0w> but its fine
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3058[12:02:47] <LorD_n1c0w> just these spam
3059[12:02:49] <jelly> LorD_n1c0w: then keep quiet in here, and avoid commenting on spam
3060[12:02:53] <LorD_n1c0w> thanks jelly
3061[12:03:08] <prompt32> ^ !
3062[12:03:16] <LorD_n1c0w> I said 1 time
3063[12:03:24] <LorD_n1c0w> what tha fuc* are you saying?
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3065[12:03:28] <LorD_n1c0w> iw as disturb you?
3066[12:04:11] <LorD_n1c0w> nazi voicer jelly
3067[12:04:11] <jelly> prompt32: smooth, as in the couple amd64 packages I want to work, just work (with an -amd64 kernel booted)
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3070[12:04:54] <dokma> I've just plugged a Xeon X5460 into my socket 775 rig with Debian.
3071[12:05:00] <jelly> LorD_n1c0w: muted for 10 minutes, please keep it on topic in the future
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3073[12:05:12] <dokma> Do I need intel-microcode to enable the missing instructions?
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3076[12:06:05] <jelly> dokma: which instructions do you think are missing? If you have cpu features disabled in bios, I don't think you can enable them afterwards.
3077[12:06:25] <dokma> I think SSE4 and VT-X are missing
3078[12:06:41] <dokma> Let me try to find a cat /proc/cpuinfo from someon with the full set
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3081[12:07:44] <crazyb0y> dokma: full set of what?
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3084[12:07:51] <dokma> Of instructions
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3089[12:08:58] <jelly> vt-x (vmx flag in /proc/cpuinfo) is probably disabled in bios, no idea about sse4
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3093[12:09:17] <crazyb0y> dokma: replaced-url
3094[12:09:26] <jelly> dokma: microcode updates won't help there
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3097[12:09:53] <wyoung> .o/
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3103[12:10:00] <jelly> so it's a motherboard firmware issue, not really something that can be changed in debian
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3107[12:10:29] <dokma> so I need to flash BIOS?
3108[12:10:47] <crazyb0y> dokma: what's the model of the motherboard?
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3112[12:11:03] <wyoung> mass k-line, fun!
3113[12:11:10] <dokma> G41M-ES2L
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3143[12:12:04] <sussudio> idiots.
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3152[12:12:16] <jelly> !sing sussudio
3153[12:12:17] * dpkg sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio"
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3157[12:12:50] <wyoung> jelly time!
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3174[12:15:33] <lukaso666> #join #salentos
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3178[12:16:06] <wyoung> lukaso666: blatent advertisement?
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3195[12:17:07] <lukaso666> wyoung, sorry, just my mistake with "/join" command
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3201[12:18:58] <wyoung> sure sure :)
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3230[12:28:48] <prompt32> jelly, thanks !
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3233[12:29:39] <ignoramus> hello
3234[12:30:06] <wyoung> sup?
3235[12:30:11] <wyoung> Lets debian ignoramus!
3236[12:30:14] <ignoramus> not much
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3238[12:30:36] <ignoramus> im wondering if anyone has any info about the botnet?
3239[12:31:10] <ignoramus> the one thats flooding child porn links in PMs
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3242[12:31:28] <ignoramus> we need to locate the command and control server and DDoS the shit out of it
3243[12:31:32] <bazhang> ask #freenode ignoramus
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3246[12:31:48] <oish> yuk
3247[12:31:50] <ignoramus> bazhang: they are ignoring me
3248[12:31:52] <babilen> ignoramus: → ##comment-on-spam and set "/mode ignoramus +R"
3249[12:32:11] <ignoramus> babilen: I personally have not received the spam yet
3250[12:32:12] <bazhang> ignoramus, its not suddenly on topic ehre
3251[12:32:20] <ignoramus> heard plenty about it though
3252[12:32:28] <babilen> Either way, #debian is not the right channel for that discussion
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3254[12:32:54] <ignoramus> dont be a weinerwagon, you filthy crack head.
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3261[12:33:46] <eharris> Looking for help upgrading to debian stretch with zfsonlinux packages installed
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3268[12:34:47] <eharris> I think I've got it mostly working, but for some reason grub-common keeps complaining that it depends on libzfs2, but libzfs2 doesn't seem to be available.
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3270[12:35:21] <eharris> I don't understand why it thinks grub-common depends on libzfs2. Looking at packages.debian.org it doesn't seem to
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3281[12:43:02] <forcerecon> what replaced iwconfig
3282[12:43:18] <wyoung> network manager?
3283[12:43:37] <forcerecon> looking for a terminal command..
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3285[12:43:50] <wyoung> forcerecon: nm
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3296[12:52:08] <bolt> eharris: i had some issues similar to that, while not remembering exactly what I did. in the transition between zfsonlinux hosted packages and the ones hosted in the debian repo, there were a few left over that were not replaced by debian ones. i think doing "dpkg -l | grep -i zfs" and looking for the old packages, and then removing those, solved the issues
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3390[13:41:43] <colo-work> hmm, are there no other IRC bouncers than znc available in Debian stretch?
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3393[13:42:14] <damiano> quasselcore FTW.
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3395[13:42:17] <iodev> colo-work: why other?
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3397[13:42:24] <iodev> znc good enough
3398[13:42:32] <colo-work> damiano, can that serve clients other than quassel?
3399[13:42:43] <damiano> I don't think so, no.
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3419[13:53:15] <jelly> what are you missing in znc, colo-work
3420[13:53:36] <colo-work> jelly, idk, I've not used a bnc in ages :) I was just wondering what the available alteratives are.
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3427[13:55:30] <armin> i'm a diehard weechat/tmux/ssh user, but what i've seen from znc was pretty solid. would recommend.
3428[13:55:46] <Ormu> :O
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3430[13:56:04] <Ormu> irssi works both as a local/remote client and a bouncer
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3432[13:56:21] <alwyn> Can recommend znc 👌
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3434[13:56:27] <armin> feel free to s/weechat/irssi/g s/tmux/screen/g where appropriate. ;)
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3437[13:57:35] <Tsutsukakushi> Ormu: as does weechat
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3439[13:58:10] <Ormu> ok
3440[13:58:27] <wyoung> I screen + irssi
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3443[13:58:42] <armin> the most terrible aspect of weechat is the indentation on wrapped long hyperlinks.
3444[13:58:53] <wyoung> never used weechat or tmu
3445[13:58:54] <wyoung> x
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3448[13:59:43] <Tsutsukakushi> replaced-url
3449[14:01:20] <Ormu> :o
3450[14:01:34] <pingfloyd> armin: alt+l
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3458[14:05:24] <armin> pingfloyd: can you tell me what the default keybinding for meta-l is? i customized that one already it seems.
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3473[14:14:27] <pingfloyd> it's /window bare
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3476[14:16:40] <armin> pingfloyd: ty. ;)
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3478[14:17:17] <armin> pingfloyd: doesn't change the indentation of links on my setup, though.
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3487[14:20:29] <arny91> hi, i use cinnamon as desktop environment and since the last time it was updated the touchpad single finger tap and the keyboard shortcuts aren't working anymore. i also noticed that when i try to change the screen resolution, the following error appears: Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.cinnamon.SettingsDaemon was not provided by any .service files. i'm pretty sure that the 2 events are
3488[14:20:30] <arny91> related. anyone here knows how to fix this?
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3493[14:23:15] <armin> arny91: you could check and fix with synclient/xset i think.
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3502[14:24:26] <armin> arny91: so cinnamon obviously communicates over dbus, but that's probably nothing you need to know about when tracing down the tap button problem.
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3522[14:32:42] <pragomer> how to enable click on the synaptics touchpad under stretch?
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3531[14:35:57] <theluckymike> pragomer: synclient TapButton1=1
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3550[14:46:30] <pragomer> synclient does not exist. is this what kind of programm?
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3552[14:47:01] <pragomer> does I have to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics?
3553[14:47:07] <pragomer> or work with the libinput?
3554[14:47:59] <arny91> theluckymike: thank you, are the synclient changes persistent?
3555[14:48:42] <juhop> they seem not. At least I need to reset the values after boot
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3557[14:49:04] <pragomer> no synaptics driver loaded. how to load them instead of libinput?
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3559[14:49:16] <arny91> pragomer: you have to install xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
3560[14:49:17] <theluckymike> dunno, I barely use id, mostly just to disable it, but seems not
3561[14:49:33] <pragomer> I installed it and now the command synclient is available
3562[14:49:44] <pragomer> but not I get the above message. how to load the driver?
3563[14:50:07] <theluckymike> pragomer: libinput also has those options, replaced-url
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3568[14:51:49] <theluckymike> seems that both, libinput and synclient takes config from /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/
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3574[14:53:11] <RoyK> replaced-url
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3580[14:55:08] <juhop> RoyK: have you tried iptraf?
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3591[14:59:56] <RoyK> lol - seems iptraf is so ancient it only supports ipv4 :D
3592[15:00:10] <RoyK> juhop: I doubt I'll be able to see anything on iptraf :P
3593[15:00:24] <dym> Hey! I have a strange problem with a harddrive. It filled up and i have deleted stuff in order to free space. But still df reports 100% usage and even a reboot wont change that. Nay idea?
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3595[15:00:33] <dym> 462G 439G 17M 100% /var
3596[15:00:51] <jelly> dym: which filesystem type?
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3599[15:01:32] <dym> jelly: ext4 formatted LVM
3600[15:01:40] <Rusty1> ooc log
3601[15:01:56] <Rusty1> ooc=out of control
3602[15:02:11] <dym> Still not with you.
3603[15:02:17] <dym> out of control log? i rebooted.
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3605[15:02:53] <Rusty1> /var contains alot of log files, possible process is spewing alot
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3608[15:03:24] <Rusty1> du might be your friend
3609[15:03:28] <Haohmaru> like vlc
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3613[15:04:15] <Henry151> y'all seen the thingy of "Protester installs VLC media player for a police officer"?
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3616[15:04:19] <dym> Rusty1: i dont understand. okay, logs could be filling up, but the drive factually has some space.
3617[15:04:28] <dym> and it cant be an inode problem, since i rebooted
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3623[15:07:18] <Henry151> replaced-url
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3625[15:08:59] <Rusty1> dym, boot a live dvd and fsck it
3626[15:09:00] <jelly> dym: do you have any other mountpoints inside /var?
3627[15:09:09] <dym> jelly: negative.
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3629[15:09:15] <dym> Rusty1: impossible.
3630[15:09:51] <jelly> dym: then a "du -x /var > du-x-var.$(date -I).txt; sort -n du-x-var.$(date -I).txt | tail -n 40" ought to show the culprits
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3638[15:12:00] <jelly> dym: the difference between 462G 439G is just the default 5% reserved block space for root. tune2fs -m ... can change that if really needed
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3642[15:12:49] <dym> jelly: the drive is packed
3643[15:13:00] <dym> services running arent responding
3644[15:13:09] <dym> i just need them to run for now. it's a machine to be migrated
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3646[15:13:34] <jelly> that's a case for a careful tune2fs then
3647[15:13:49] <Rusty1> can logrotate help jelly ?
3648[15:13:51] <dym> du is taking ages, but big mount.
3649[15:14:08] <dym> Rusty1: for that it'd have to be a matter of logfilesize.
3650[15:14:09] <jelly> just remember if it fills up again and you've already set the reserve to 0%, there's nowhere else to run
3651[15:14:42] <jelly> (so: don't set it to 0%, but reduce to say 3% )
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3655[15:15:39] <jelly> also large files created after ext4 fills up to 90%-ish get fragmented as hell
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3724[15:40:42] <dontknow> how can i know how long ago i installed debian?
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3727[15:41:11] <dontknow> i forgot
3728[15:41:21] <nvz> dontknow: there is no definate way to tell, but I suppose you could look for something that hasnt' been changed since then
3729[15:41:29] <nvz> check the timestamp on that file
3730[15:41:45] <Sir_Designer> like the date on the version file
3731[15:41:54] <darxmurf> maybe ls /etc/hostname
3732[15:42:01] <Ericounet> "/ets/hostname"
3733[15:42:04] <Ericounet> voilà
3734[15:42:10] <Ericounet> *etc
3735[15:42:11] <adc> or just the root folders
3736[15:42:20] <darxmurf> nop
3737[15:42:23] <darxmurf> it changes
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3746[15:45:33] <nvz> Sir_Designer: even the version file would be changed if you dist-upgraded
3747[15:46:04] <nvz> only the admin could really say what to check, we could only speculate at what has least likelihood of changing
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3754[15:49:40] <darxmurf> or maybe your ssh key
3755[15:49:56] <nvz> dontknow: if your filesystem was created during install, you could tune2fs -l /dev/sda1 or whatever the device node is, and it will show you the date and time the filesystem was created
3756[15:50:40] <dontknow> ok
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3758[15:51:43] <darxmurf> nvz: not working if you are using XFS :D
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3775[16:01:53] <nvz> darxmurf: yeah idk what method is for other fs, but I know tune2fs can show that info for ext filesystems
3776[16:02:23] <nvz> which is usually going to be a fairly reliable date if you check a rootfs that was created during install
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3786[16:04:25] <dowwie> what is the otool equivalent in debian?
3787[16:06:01] <crazyb0y> dowwie: ldd?
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3795[16:08:01] <jelly> dowwie: what does it do?
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3797[16:08:39] <crazyb0y> jelly: The otool command displays specified parts of object files or
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3799[16:08:47] <crazyb0y> jelly: The otool command displays specified parts of object files or libraries
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3802[16:09:14] <crazyb0y> on macos
3803[16:09:35] <jelly> crazyb0y: I can read the manual too. What does dowwie actually need to do?
3804[16:10:41] <dowwie> yes it seems ldd is what I was looking for
3805[16:10:53] <dowwie> I want to identify a binary file's library dependencies
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3809[16:12:29] <jelly> ldd shows the explicit ones. Libraries may be evil and do conditional dlsym()/dlopen() later, you wouldn't see that in ldd, but that's less often
3810[16:12:36] <RoxRox> Hi! I am running Debian on a Librebooted Thinkpad X200. Now i got a problem which looked like a borked graphics card? The screen was messed up and the computer frozen. I would like to analyse what happened there. So what do i have to do to obtain logs if this happens again?
3811[16:13:06] <jelly> RoxRox: not able to ping it or log in via ssh?
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3814[16:14:00] <jelly> if X200 still has a proper serial port you may be able to get a kernel stack trace over that
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3816[16:15:12] <RoxRox> RoxRox: Honestly, i didnt try. But god idea. Also I didnt have the server installed, doing that now and will try it if this happens again. On Android there is a kernel log retained from the previous boot. Is there something similar in debian?
3817[16:16:11] <jelly> /var/log/kern.log but when a linux kernel hangs on an old x86 pc you don't get a lot written to disk
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3820[16:17:08] <RoxRox> jelly: oh, x200 has a 64bit cpu and I am running debian 664bit. Does that make a difference?
3821[16:17:26] <jelly> too old. haswell and newer intel cpus have this "pstore" thing that may store a stack trace
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3827[16:19:24] <RoxRox> jelly: Ah, ok. Yeah and just stored kern.log. Nothing which would point to a crash. So it wasnt written to the log file. Does that also mean that the coputer was completely down?
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3843[16:25:19] <true_dat> hi
3844[16:25:30] <true_dat> I can't make a bootable debian usb
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3847[16:25:50] <true_dat> I tried: sudo dd bs=4M if=debian.iso of=/dev/sdc
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3849[16:26:03] <true_dat> but the usb doesn't boot
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3855[16:27:10] <bolt> true_dat: do other bootable images work off of that usb drive? some drives just don't like booting
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3857[16:27:32] <true_dat> bolt: yes, I used the same command with another OS and it worked
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3863[16:28:53] <true_dat> I verified the iso and the hashes, they are ok
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3901[16:41:08] <evilman_work> he is spammer -> Danesaf
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3909[16:42:42] <nvz> idk but I didnt think you could just write a cd image to a thumbdrive and boot it, it had to be an image for a thumbdrive or you have to loop mount and unpack the iso and then setup a bootloader
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3915[16:44:03] <jelly> evilman_work: thanks
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3917[16:45:02] <jelly> evilman_work: can you report those PM spamming bots in #freenode instead of here next time, please
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3919[16:45:08] <RoxRox> nvz: I write all my images to usb via GNOME disk manager (restore image) and it always works. Including debian.
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3923[16:46:04] <nvz> idk I always used unetbootin for thumbdrives, I never tried it any other way
3924[16:46:11] <DammitJim> I've used dd
3925[16:46:24] <jelly> !unetbootin
3926[16:46:25] <dpkg> UNetbootin (Universal Netboot Installer) allows creation of bootable USB drives for a variety of Linux distributions. replaced-url
3927[16:46:33] <DammitJim> from iso to usb drive directly
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3930[16:46:59] <RoxRox> I even mount images to USB on my android phone and it works (replaced-url
3931[16:47:41] <jelly> nvz: debian-installer is a hybrid image, bootable from hdd, from cd, from bios, from uefi
3932[16:47:55] <Rusty1> dd if=~/path/to/iso of=/dev/sdx oflag=direct bs=1048576
3933[16:48:00] <jelly> (from hdd includes usb stick)
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3935[16:48:23] <jelly> or just: cp some.iso /dev/sdx, as the install guide suggests
3936[16:48:28] <nvz> jelly: this is probably a recent development compared to the last time I done this which was probably about 5 years ago now
3937[16:48:34] <Rusty1> and make sure the usb doesnt have a mounted fs
3938[16:48:35] <Plushfish> Hi. I'm looking for a alternative for Docker. Is LXC a good one?
3939[16:48:43] <jelly> nvz: been that way at least in jessie
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3941[16:48:54] <Plushfish> I'm sorry if this is the wrong channel for that question.
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3946[16:50:06] <nvz> Plushfish: its vague regardless of where you ask, "good" is a matter of opinion without qualifiers, and I've personally not used either of these apps to know what sort of app they are without looking it up
3947[16:50:11] <ksk> Plushfish: what do you want to archive using $foo? what is your usecase?
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3951[16:51:27] <nvz> Plushfish: I'm using tint2 for a minimal panel on my orangepi, it has a systray, taskbar, clock, launcher, and a small footprint with easy configuration
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3954[16:52:03] <Plushfish> My use case is to run applications and little shells in containers. AFAIK Docker doesn't support something like shell-only containers who stay in the background.
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3959[16:54:51] <Plushfish> nvz: Are you talking about your desktop to me?
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3970[16:58:12] <nvz> Plushfish: I was commenting on a panel, yes. Docker appeared to be a minimalist systray, I suggested what I was using for a systray. The systray isnt really responsible for the running of apps, its merely a place for apps to register icons, this is done by other methods
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3972[16:59:02] <Plushfish> nvz: Oh, sorry, you might got me wrong. I meant replaced-url
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3975[17:00:35] <jelly> been away for more than 5 years if by "docker" you still mean the tray/dock thingy
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3977[17:01:15] <xand> LOL
3978[17:01:47] <Plushfish> lol
3979[17:01:51] <nvz> thats what docker comes up in my apt cach in strech.. heh.. but hey.. there was another thing similar to this docker.io I heard about recently if I can recall.. it was something for deploying apps across distros
3980[17:02:10] <Plushfish> Snap ?
3981[17:02:31] <Plushfish> Flatpak ?
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3985[17:02:38] <nvz> no it had a name more like the ,.. yes flatpak
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3987[17:03:33] <Plushfish> Hm, will look into this
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4012[17:12:10] <JustTheDoctor> what is the best way to upgrade a debian 7 install to latest debian?
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4015[17:12:24] <colo-work> can stretch be installed onto an "Intel Matrix RAID" (imsm) defined array?
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4018[17:12:41] <colo-work> JustTheDoctor, dist-upgrade to jessie, then to stretch. read both releases' release notes before.
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4030[17:16:36] <nku> ssh ban1u
4031[17:17:05] <a0z> ?
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4042[17:24:12] <LtL> JustTheDoctor: the 'easy' way, wipe the drive install 9. the hard way, dist-upgrade to 8, dist-upgrade to 9
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4054[17:27:41] <LtL> colo-work: i over looked your post, good answer.
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4058[17:28:42] <likcoras> Hi, how do I stop dhclient from writing to /etc/resolv.conf? I'm reading dhclient-script(8) but I'm not sure how I'm supposed to override make_resolv_conf.
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4073[17:34:32] <jelly> dpkg, tell JustTheDoctor about wheezy->jessie
4074[17:34:38] <jelly> dpkg, tell JustTheDoctor about jessie->stretch
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4076[17:34:49] <jelly> JustTheDoctor: no skipping releases!
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4078[17:35:21] <JustTheDoctor> i did wheezy to jessie now im doing jessie to stretch ;) thanks guys
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4082[17:36:02] <jelly> JustTheDoctor: hope you rebooted and read all the gotchas from the release notes...
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4089[17:38:43] <arny91> hello again, i've just finished updating another machine with debian sid and cinnamon DE, not only the keyboard shortcuts and display settings aren't working anymore but also the font scaling
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4091[17:39:27] <nvz> arny91: and you went to the BTS?
4092[17:39:31] <jelly> arny91: that's the nature of things, sid breaks things all the time
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4094[17:39:38] <jelly> !debian-next
4095[17:39:39] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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4097[17:40:40] <jelly> arny91: you'll have better luck finding out what's broken right now, over there
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4100[17:40:58] <jelly> this channel is mostly for stable and older releases
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4106[17:43:29] <nvz> I personally always made use of apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs when I ran sid
4107[17:43:47] <aedinius> apt-listbugs was a requirement
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4112[17:45:51] <n4dir> depends what requirement is supposed to mean exactly. it helps, a lot, but you sure can run sid without installing it.
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4131[17:51:17] <arny91> nvz, how do you use apt-listchanges? do you have to manually download every single *.deb package you want to query the changes?
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4134[17:52:30] <n4dir> when you run an upgrade it will give you the info what is changed ; i think in a pagereader (more or less or such). You exit the info by hiting "q" like quit
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4136[17:52:42] <n4dir> that's how i recall it
4137[17:52:47] <nvz> arny91: no the apt-listchanges and apt-listbugs automatically show you changelogs/bugreports when you try to apt-get something
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4139[17:53:13] <nvz> arny91: helps you get an idea of what you're upgrading for and the known issues with it
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4141[17:53:53] <dimir> What is the most common way to add dh_buildinfo to rules file? I just want to avoid debsign giving error because I'm missing the buildinfo file.
4142[17:55:02] <dondelelcaro> dimir: dpkg-buildpackage will build it using dpkg-genbuildinfo
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4185[18:12:47] <ChmEarl> dondelelcaro, dpkg-genbuildinfo is a helper function (in devscripts ?) and its only part of Stretch or higher. Its not available in ubuntu xenial
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4187[18:13:52] <ChmEarl> oh, maybe dpkg-dev
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4190[18:14:52] <R3dQueen> /msg NickServ REGISTER Tr1d3nt3d101 t@tarah.org
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4195[18:16:09] <gabrielc> R3dQueen: change the password
4196[18:16:17] <R3dQueen> thanks.
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4221[18:24:25] <Walakea> my bash prompt shows this: ...@debdebian-gnu-linux-9-stretch-64-bitian:~$
4222[18:24:27] <Henry151> hello #debian. Can somebody provide me with some guidance about adding manually-installed items to my applications menu properly? I have only a few apps that I can't get from apt, and instead install manually -- my bitcoin core client is the main one, but there are a few other little things
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4224[18:24:54] <Walakea> where can i change it back to only ...@debian?
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4227[18:25:08] <Henry151> I've already set up aliases to start them easily from the terminal, but I'd love to add them in to the applications menu
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4233[18:25:53] <Dagger> Henry151: replaced-url
4234[18:26:14] <Henry151> I am clicking your scary-looking link, Dagger :D
4235[18:26:28] <jelly> Walakea: 1) what does the "hostname" command say? 2) what does "echo $PS1" say?
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4237[18:26:44] <Dagger> I don't really know what I'm doing with .desktop files, but I did the above once before and it does put it into the menu
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4240[18:27:04] <Walakea> jelly: hostname says exactly what my promt is
4241[18:27:11] <Henry151> Dagger: that looks great
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4243[18:27:22] <jelly> Walakea: so you probably want to change the hostname.
4244[18:27:25] <jelly> !hostname
4245[18:27:25] <dpkg> Use «hostname foo» to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot (create /etc/hostname if it does not exist) and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set up local translations for a FQDN. See also 'man 1 hostname', or ask me about <mailname>. replaced-url
4246[18:27:28] <Henry151> I wonder, if I do that, if I will also be able to find the application in the "application finder" that I open with alt+f3 ? I'm running xfce if that's relevant
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4249[18:28:02] <Dagger> looks like you can
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4251[18:28:16] <dimir> dondelelcaro: I can see dpkg-genbuildinfo is executed at the end of package building process but I still get the error "debsign: Can't find or can't read buildinfo file <path/to/pkg>/package-x.y.z1+stretch_amd64.buildinfo!"
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4254[18:28:35] <Dagger> shows up in rofi too, for what that's worth
4255[18:28:36] <Walakea> jelly: that fixed it, thanks
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4258[18:28:54] <Henry151> Dagger: what's rofi?
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4261[18:29:14] <dimir> dondelelcaro: I have added "dh_buildinfo generate install" to the binary-post-install: section, to no effect.
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4264[18:29:48] <Dagger> something like an on-steroids version of the xfce finder thing
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4266[18:30:26] <Dagger> although it's a bit texty for my liking (having some icons really wouldn't hurt a launcher program...)
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4270[18:31:00] <Henry151> Dagger: I wonder if the "version" entry is important? Should I bother looking up which version of the app I have and entering it there, or only if I have mulitiple versions of the same app?
4271[18:31:14] <dimir> dondelelcaro: I mean, the package is built OK, I just can't get the signing done because debsign wan't to sign the missing "buildinfo" package.
4272[18:31:26] <dimir> s/package/file/
4273[18:32:04] <Dagger> Henry151: replaced-url
4274[18:32:19] <Dagger> ...says it should be 1.1. no clue why I have 1.0 in my file
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4277[18:33:16] <Henry151> nice
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4279[18:33:27] <Henry151> I bet I can figure out how to add icons there too :D
4280[18:34:02] <Dagger> Henry151: also, I'll say this now in case it helps you avoid hours of pain, but if you're playing around with .desktop files, sometimes you need to run `update-desktop-database ~/.local/share/applications`
4281[18:34:14] <Henry151> wow
4282[18:34:15] <Henry151> thanks for that
4283[18:34:27] <Dagger> I don't think you'll need to do it here, but I would really have appreciated saving those hours myself
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4286[18:34:50] <kion> I installed spyder3 and when I run it, I get the error message "You have missing dependencies!rope >=0.9.4: None (NOK)" Any ideas?
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4288[18:35:18] <Dagger> (I was trying to override a .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/, and creating the local override file caused it to ignore /both/ files until I ran that command)
4289[18:35:27] <bamb> hi. i just installed 9.1
4290[18:35:34] <bamb> i booted a custom kernel
4291[18:36:08] <bamb> and glxinfo says "direct rendering: yes"
4292[18:36:35] <bamb> but lsmod and lspci -k dont show any intel graphics driver loaded for my integrated GPU
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4294[18:36:49] <bamb> how can i find out what driver i am using?
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4298[18:37:39] <nirakara> ive pasted the pubkey of my local user to root authorized_keys, i can log in with ssh running on custom port
4299[18:37:40] <towo`> bamb, glxinfo | grep -i render
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4301[18:37:48] <nirakara> but when i paste the same pubkey into $LIMITED_USER's authorized_keys, i cannot log into ssh using $LIMITED_USER@my-server
4302[18:37:57] <nirakara> do i need to add $LIMITED_USER to a group or something?
4303[18:38:31] <nirakara> sorry i run debian for most things but am one man shop and i dont know how to google this or where to start
4304[18:38:31] <Henry151> hmm... interesting thing happened... I created a .desktop file like the one you used in the demonstration; and for "Categories" i put it in "Other" .... and now the other two apps that were in the "Other" folder have disappeared
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4312[18:40:21] <bamb> towo`: ok, now what?
4313[18:40:34] <towo`> bamb, show it?
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4315[18:41:08] <Dagger> Henry151: welp, can't help you there. that was exactly the sort of crap I was dealing with when trying to override a file
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4317[18:41:46] <Dagger> Henry151: make sure Exec= is correct, try under Graphics just to test? and try running update-desktop-database
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4319[18:42:29] <Dagger> I never managed to get much debug info out of the code that parses these desktop files, so investigating why it's blowing up in your face is hard
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4321[18:43:29] <Henry151> gosh darnit
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4323[18:44:17] <Henry151> somebody halp meh
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4327[18:45:23] <Shamane> Schleicher
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4331[18:46:07] <ChmEarl> dimir, is the *.buildinfo listed in debian/files ?
4332[18:46:11] <bamb> towo`: its sya "direct rendering: Yes"
4333[18:46:13] <bamb> says*
4334[18:46:34] <towo`> the command is giving more than that
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4337[18:47:02] <dimir> ChmEarl: nope?
4338[18:47:08] <dimir> s/?//
4339[18:47:14] <towo`> bamb, and for intel, the kernel module is i915
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4341[18:47:42] <towo`> bamb, and if you want help, don't tell prosa, tell facts
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4345[18:48:19] <ChmEarl> dimir, the *.buildinfo package should be a level above your build root
4346[18:48:23] <Hoolootwo> what's prosa?
4347[18:48:36] <Schleicher-X> jo shamane
4348[18:49:01] <Shamane> jo
4349[18:49:04] <Shamane> hier ist einer
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4351[18:50:12] <dimir> ChmEarl: seems it's not there. Found one more thing, debsign is complaining about missing *.buildinfo file when I'm signing the *.changes file.
4352[18:50:57] <ChmEarl> dimir, the *.buildinfo is listed in the *.changes file, thats why
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4355[18:51:25] <ChmEarl> dimir, it got moved or the path is borked
4356[18:51:51] <Schleicher-X> na
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4358[18:52:01] <Schleicher-X> shamane
4359[18:52:07] <Schleicher-X> alles fresh
4360[18:52:23] <Shamane> ja sicher
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4363[18:52:37] <Schleicher-X> ja tolle roole so geht das also
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4368[18:53:05] <Shamane> Geh mal in unsere Chat
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4372[18:55:13] <Henry151> so folks; I created a .desktop file in ~/.local/share/applications/ which looks like this: replaced-url
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4374[18:55:28] <Henry151> and it is still the same.. please help!! :) thank you in advance for any and all assistance
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4377[18:56:52] <Henry151> also, side question, where do all the built-in icons live, so that I can select one for my menu items?
4378[18:57:01] <tremolo> Is it using that directory (containing only the one item) instead of a global directory where the rest exist?
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4381[18:58:35] <Henry151> tremolo: I think so. But I don't know where the default global directory is...
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4387[18:59:21] <tremolo> I would guess /usr/share/applications
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4394[19:01:00] <dimir> ChmEarl: so you are saying dpkg-genbuildinfo should have created it, I don't need to put anything to the rules file or anything?
4395[19:01:04] <tremolo> I would have expected it to use both directories, though. :|
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4401[19:04:54] <Henry151> tremolo: I tried to fix it with this, and now have a new error that I can't grasp replaced-url
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4403[19:05:08] <Henry151> I took a look at the "evince.desktop" file and it's huge and confusing
4404[19:05:22] <nirakara> this is my ssh -vvv: replaced-url
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4407[19:07:20] <Henry151> replaced-url
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4409[19:07:28] <DrBunsen> Hello, I was wondering if updates are really infrequent in Stretch or is it just because I am used to the testing branch(I have been running stretch since it was in testing)? I run update and upgrade everyday but if I get 1 update a week that is a lot.
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4413[19:08:35] <bamb> towo`: sorry, i dont have network connection on that machine\
4414[19:08:48] <bamb> im trying to figure out how to access pastebin
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4418[19:09:18] <bamb> is it true that if glxinfo says "direct rendering: yes", then its using hardware acceleration?
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4420[19:09:30] <tremolo> Henry151: I'm not sure where to go from there... not much experience with .desktop files
4421[19:09:43] <dimir> ChmEarl: I think I have found the problem, it's my package creation script and I forgot to copy that file along with changes file and after that I remove build dir. :-D Sorry for the mess and thanks for help!
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4429[19:12:41] <a0z> nirakara: did you put your public key into the servers authorized_keys file?
4430[19:12:43] <tremolo> nirakara: How did you get the pubkey into the limited user's authorized_keys?
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4434[19:15:11] <tremolo> and what are the permissions on authorized_keys and the .ssh directory?
4435[19:15:26] <Henry151> anybody know what I may have done wrong? I screwed my applications menu all up and now I can't revert it to how it was
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4440[19:16:42] <nirakara> tremolo, a0z, my dir/file perms are as follows: replaced-url
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4445[19:17:35] <a0z> nirakara: is that dir list for the client or the server?
4446[19:18:26] <nirakara> tremolo, a0z I did `cat ~/.authorized_keys`. Then i copied from terminal. then i tmuxed to limited user window and did `echo '<c-shift-w>' >> ~/.ssh/authorized_keys`
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4448[19:18:40] <nirakara> i am running tmux, one was root, one was limited user
4449[19:18:50] <nirakara> i am ssh'd into this box right now as root running tmux
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4453[19:19:35] <nirakara> *where "one" means a 'tmux window', or 'buffer', ... etc
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4455[19:19:58] <nirakara> a0z, server
4456[19:20:32] <nirakara> `$LIMITED_USER@server:~/` and `$LIMITED_USER@server:~/.ssh/`
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4461[19:21:58] <tremolo> Your user's home directory is owned by group 'root'?
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4482[19:26:02] <laurus> Hello. How do I get NetworkManager to automatically update /etc/resolv.conf ?
4483[19:26:16] <tremolo> Other than that, it looks sane to me.
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4486[19:27:20] <nirakara> tremolo, what should it be?
4487[19:27:26] <tremolo> Mine are rw/r/r, but I think that's because they started off as copies (permissions included) of an id_rsa.pub
4488[19:27:58] <tremolo> My home is owned by my user's primary group, checked a few other systems to make sure it wasn't just this one, and they're the same.
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4504[19:35:02] <RedSoxFan> I was going through some of the DebConf17 talks and I came across an unfamiliar acronym: BoF. What does BoF mean in the context of DebConf?
4505[19:36:14] <a0z> buffer overflow, perhaps?
4506[19:36:22] <RedSoxFan> Maybe.
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4508[19:36:50] <RedSoxFan> My first thought was Board of Finance, but I know that's not it, since we're talking about software.
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4512[19:37:28] <RedSoxFan> This is what I found on Wikipedia: ""Birds of a Feather" (BoF) sessions, informal discussion groups at technology and engineering conferences"
4513[19:37:36] <RedSoxFan> I guess that must be it.
4514[19:37:45] <a0z> ah ha, ithink you're right
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4519[19:39:07] <RedSoxFan> Off-topic question: Which version of Debian are you guys running? I'm running Debian 9 Stretch. I was running Buster, but I found some instability, so I went back to Stretch.
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4522[19:40:27] <a0z> RedSoxFan: i run unstable on my laptop, stable on servers
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4526[19:41:40] <raktajino> i run stretch on my workstation
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4528[19:42:41] <nirakara> tremolo, still failing, how to copy the key to server in a better way?
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4531[19:42:51] <nirakara> tremolo, maybe there was an issue in the way that i copied it?
4532[19:43:10] <nirakara> i saw something about ssh-copy-id but how would that work to a locked down box on a user you can't log into?
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4534[19:43:28] <nirakara> maybe there's a way to pipe a string from one tmux window to another
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4540[19:45:34] <nirakara> my .sshd_config is set to only allow key logins. PAM is off
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4542[19:47:08] <RedSoxFan> Deadman36: Which OS are you running on your MacBook? MacOS, Debian, or both?
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4586[20:05:55] <__marco> replaced-url
4587[20:06:51] <__marco> Why does apt suggest me to install gnupg 2.1.13? Shouldn't it suggest me 2.1.18-6?
4588[20:07:23] <__marco> And what is the version 2.1.18-8 in /var/lib/dpkg/status?
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4590[20:08:25] <jmcnaught> __marco: are you using stretch, or unstable, or both?
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4592[20:08:53] <__marco> jmcnaught, stretch but with Firefox from unstable
4593[20:09:14] <jmcnaught> you can't do that, stable and unstable are not compatible
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4595[20:09:39] <__marco> In /etc/apt/apt.conf I have APT::Default-Release "stretch";
4596[20:09:42] <__marco> ah, ok
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4598[20:10:01] <jmcnaught> __marco: replaced-url
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4600[20:11:11] <jmcnaught> currently there is no supported way to install firefox release branch on Debian stable, but downloading the tarball from mozilla and putting it somewhere that won't interfere with packages (like ~/bin, /opt/firefox, /usr/local for example) at least won't mess up your package manager
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4603[20:11:34] <jmcnaught> __marco: you should look at 'apt-cache policy libc6' to see if you're using stretch's still, or the one from unstable
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4608[20:12:21] <__marco> jmcnaught, stretch's
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4610[20:13:27] <rauno> so gabrielc `Kevin
4611[20:13:30] <rauno> hi again :)
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4613[20:13:41] <n4dir> wondering how someone can figure out how to install sid software on stable without running into the info that it is something he shouldn't do.
4614[20:13:42] <rauno> got my infra guy make some changes on my network
4615[20:14:04] <__marco> jmcnaught, I'll remove the fateful repository. Thanks
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4617[20:14:24] <rauno> now if i add ip to vlan bridge then im able to ping router but when i ping from kvm guest then the request is sent but kvm host doesn't receive reply
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4619[20:15:13] <jmcnaught> __marco: this aptitude command should list the packages you have that are install from anything but stable: aptitude -F '%p %v %t' search '?narrow(?installed, ?not(?archive(^stable)))'
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4622[20:15:35] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day :D
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4626[20:16:27] <raktajino> have you seen the news lately >.>
4627[20:17:07] <__marco> jmcnaught, wow, I didn't know all those packages
4628[20:17:18] <__marco> 169
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4630[20:17:35] <__marco> even if some are reported as "now"
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4633[20:18:01] <__marco> or <NULL> ahaha
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4635[20:18:07] <jmcnaught> __marco: on my system it says 'now' for obsolete packages (packages that apt can no longer download)
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4698[20:45:32] <hack4net> nice system dashboard written nodejs replaced-url
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4728[20:55:17] <q9> Is it possible to flatten the directory in ecryptfs?
4729[20:55:20] <dioo> The topic says to /msg dpkg, but the bot looks disconnected
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4732[20:56:18] <teraflops> dioo: indeed dpkg is not here
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4737[20:59:14] <Antares> Доброй ночи всем!
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4739[20:59:44] <johnkeates> vodka vodka putin atomic submarine indeed
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4744[21:02:00] <DoctorD90> guys, do you know how could I record continously but saving only last X seconds on the same file?
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4746[21:02:27] <johnkeates> you need a ring buffer
4747[21:02:52] <johnkeates> it's a circular buffer that you initialise with an X size and all it does is just wrap around when it comes to the end
4748[21:03:07] <johnkeates> as soon as you stop feeding data, it just remains as-is for the X amount you configured it to be
4749[21:03:18] <DoctorD90> i hace searched linux continously record loop, but i find only a command to create many files of X seconds
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4751[21:03:51] <DoctorD90> johnkeates: thx. any suggest of command to looking for/google pattern for search?
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4756[21:04:18] <johnkeates> well, ring buffer or circular buffer is how it's called replaced-url
4757[21:04:42] <johnkeates> i'm not sure on what level you need it and what the data source is, but usually this is implemented at code level
4758[21:04:58] <DoctorD90> ah ok :D this is a good starting level :P thx
4759[21:05:27] <DoctorD90> i would connect to a camera, and record untill i dont shutdown "progam"
4760[21:05:44] <johnkeates> for example, a video stream might be: store_in_buffer(video->getFrame(), buffer0)
4761[21:05:50] <DoctorD90> like ffmpeg -circular 1 -time 10s -o output.mp4
4762[21:06:00] <johnkeates> not sure if ffmpeg does that
4763[21:06:02] <DoctorD90> (totally invetnted)
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4765[21:06:23] <johnkeates> most programs (mencoder, ffpmeg etc) don't really in-place buffer stuff
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4767[21:06:37] <johnkeates> they are stream editors or transcoders or simply output whatever they have into a file
4768[21:06:44] <DoctorD90> im not programming at "coding level"... just using progeam from command line
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4770[21:07:15] <johnkeates> that's going to be problematic as video files aren't streamable, and raw streams aren't usable
4771[21:07:18] <DoctorD90> ok so ffmpeg is useless in this case. good to know!
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4773[21:07:36] <DoctorD90> ah :/ bad stuff xD
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4777[21:08:09] <dioo> Well, there are streamable video files/profiles
4778[21:08:10] <johnkeates> i suppose what you need is something (which could be ffmpeg) that pulls video data, i.e. from /dev/uvc0 or wahtever the device is and then pipe it into a program that knows how to buffer the data
4779[21:08:16] <dioo> Like MPG-TS
4780[21:08:21] <johnkeates> yes, you could use transport streams
4781[21:08:26] <johnkeates> but that's not what a camera will get you
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4783[21:08:30] <DoctorD90> in that case i have to remake the entire idea xD but at least now i know about circular -buffer
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4787[21:08:58] <johnkeates> and transcoding and remixing video will add a delay so that breaks the idea of stopping the program and getting X amount of video
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4789[21:09:08] <johnkeates> but i'm sure it is possible
4790[21:09:10] <johnkeates> and done before
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4792[21:09:38] <johnkeates> but i never had to, so i don't know how :p but i know what you need: a framegrabber/streamer and a circular buffer that writes to a video file on exit
4793[21:10:04] <DoctorD90> ok! i will look for on google ^^ very thx you!
4794[21:10:04] <johnkeates> it needs to be video aware because you need keyframes and some data on what a frame looks like, you can't just cut a binary stream arbitrarily since the video will be corrupted
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4799[21:12:06] <DoctorD90> i have seen some camera for cars that could do this. record video and once keep the max size of memory, it just start to overwrite from the starts...and in the end I get a unique file with last X time
4800[21:12:19] <DoctorD90> id like to so the same stuff with a usb camera
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4802[21:12:35] <DoctorD90> but im realizing it is a bit harder without coding :P
4803[21:13:00] <teraflops> DoctorD90: hmm, you can tell ffmpeg to e.g stream to multicast, now you just need to pick grab x seconds from there to same file
4804[21:13:13] <teraflops> s/pick grab/grab
4805[21:13:39] <DoctorD90> stream to multicadt mean?
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4809[21:14:25] <teraflops> yep as in ffmpeg -re -i rtp://224.0.0.56:46196 etc...
4810[21:14:49] <DoctorD90> uhm....ok i have to search about this command :D
4811[21:15:14] <DoctorD90> s/command/option of ffmpeg/
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4814[21:15:40] <DoctorD90> many thx guys! as always! ^^
4815[21:15:49] <teraflops> np, good luck
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4825[21:18:24] <hellyeah> !ionic
4826[21:18:34] <hellyeah> !dpkg ionic
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4829[21:19:01] <teraflops> dpkg is on vacation hellyeah :P
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4833[21:19:36] <teraflops> ,v ionic
4834[21:19:37] <judd> No package named 'ionic' was found in amd64.
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4837[21:20:51] <hellyeah> ionic is frameworkk btw
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4840[21:22:33] <johnkeates> i bet it is. but also: ironic
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4850[21:25:57] <teraflops> another js framework...
4851[21:26:17] <hellyeah> it converts your code into android and ios
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4853[21:26:35] <teraflops> I feel bad for those guys, they change of framework every 6 months, what a clusterfuk
4854[21:26:41] <johnkeates> or you could code native
4855[21:26:50] <teraflops> johnkeates: that's gross :P
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4857[21:27:20] <hellyeah> why is that clusterfuck?
4858[21:27:21] <johnkeates> no changing frameworks, only deprecated methods every 6 years, great performance, good codebase and guaranteed grasp of software engineering principles instead of framework monotony :p
4859[21:27:36] <johnkeates> it's a clusterfuck because it's pretty much a moving target
4860[21:27:40] <johnkeates> an ever changing scope
4861[21:27:44] <johnkeates> and never finishing race
4862[21:27:50] <teraflops> hellyeah: a big fat amount of pieces trying to work together
4863[21:27:58] <hellyeah> clusterfuck i know is series of bad eventsw
4864[21:28:09] <hellyeah> do you think changing something is a bad even :D
4865[21:28:19] <johnkeates> no, but changing for the sake of change is bad
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4868[21:28:30] <hellyeah> johnkeates: i see
4869[21:28:33] <johnkeates> just like never completing or making something work because a new shiny thing comes a long is bad too :p
4870[21:28:33] <teraflops> hellyeah: js and web developmnt is a clusterfuck these days
4871[21:28:44] <hellyeah> teraflops: i prefer writing native but you need to earn money :D
4872[21:29:01] <hellyeah> i see
4873[21:29:07] <hellyeah> angular 1,2,4
4874[21:29:09] <johnkeates> basically, unless it's critically needed, new stuff only gets adopted after it survived the 'shiny new thing' period
4875[21:29:15] <teraflops> I prefer my shakras being fine, js makes you sad
4876[21:29:18] <hellyeah> webpack 1,2,3 such things right
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4878[21:29:34] <johnkeates> we haven't adopted webpack on existing projects yet
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4880[21:30:08] <johnkeates> on newer ones, sure, and only because it's the successor to others like bower and grunt
4881[21:30:12] <hellyeah> i love plain javascript and jquery
4882[21:30:22] <johnkeates> we were more of a dojo camp
4883[21:30:29] <hellyeah> i guess not for angular
4884[21:30:40] <johnkeates> jquery always seemed a bit.. incomplete?
4885[21:30:56] <johnkeates> or maybe more like a crunchprog
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4887[21:30:59] <hellyeah> jquery does not get along with canvas i read
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4890[21:31:16] <hellyeah> jquery is javascript after all
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4892[21:31:22] <hellyeah> jquery has some missing parts
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4895[21:32:08] <teraflops> I was thinking in something like replaced-url
4896[21:32:36] <johnkeates> yeah, saw that one on hackernews as well
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4898[21:33:05] <johnkeates> i'm at a point where I haven't needed to bother with javascript anymore, so i guess i'm lucky
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4900[21:33:49] <GenteelBen> johnnyfive, which languages do you code in?
4901[21:34:21] <johnkeates> ironically, with all the frameworks and managers out there, I still find teams producing utter nonsense like ten or more JS and CSS files getting loaded on a single page request
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4905[21:34:31] <teraflops> hehe
4906[21:34:53] <johnkeates> like, request one page, get 40 requests for your domain, plus about 20 for random domains elsewhere for 'tools' and 'tracking'
4907[21:35:04] <johnkeates> at that point, they are missing the point :p
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4920[21:40:20] <test123456> is there a way to get videostreaming running with netcat and mpv?
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4922[21:40:42] <johnkeates> no
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4924[21:41:03] <johnkeates> use ffmpeg or vlc instead
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4926[21:41:22] <test123456> strange thought mpv would be the successor of mplayer
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4928[21:41:33] <test123456> mplayer works without any problems
4929[21:41:46] <test123456> thx
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4935[21:42:59] <ca1ek> is it possible to somehow hack debian stretch into using jessie's kernel?
4936[21:43:11] <greycat> Should work fine.
4937[21:43:16] <ca1ek> video on my laptop is broken since kernel 4.2 and i want to use the old one.
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4942[21:43:45] <ElHupeke> Evening!
4943[21:43:51] <teraflops> ca1ek: which GPU is that?
4944[21:45:05] <ElHupeke> After upgrade from Jessie to Stretch my mediacenter can't connect to Sambashare. (Other clients PC and even windows tablet can access share)
4945[21:45:26] <ca1ek> teraflops: intel integrated i915
4946[21:45:31] <ElHupeke> with mount -t cifs I get a permission denied.
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4948[21:45:52] <ca1ek> teraflops: i
4949[21:45:57] <greycat> ca1ek: even after installing the non-free firmware, if it needs it? Anyway, if that doesn't work, yes, go ahead and try jessie's kernel.
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4951[21:46:04] <ca1ek> 'm experiencing this bug: replaced-url
4952[21:46:13] <greycat> Or try messing with the nomodeset parameter.
4953[21:46:21] <teraflops> ca1ek: which model?
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4957[21:47:44] <ca1ek> teraflops: intel i5 m560
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4959[21:48:32] <ca1ek> well, i got the idea to try the old kernel, but i don't know how to actually do it, anybody could guide me?
4960[21:48:50] <greycat> ca1ek: select it from the GRUB menu. That's all.
4961[21:49:36] <ca1ek> i haven't upgraded from jessie, i installed stretch in place of it
4962[21:49:44] <greycat> So install the jessie kernel package.
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4966[21:50:26] <towo`> stretch is using kernel 4.9, not 4.2 like in the linked bugreport
4967[21:50:34] <ca1ek> it's still broken
4968[21:50:41] <teraflops> ca1ek: hmm, it looks like intel HD 4xxx gpu or similar, it should work well in stretch with newer kernel
4969[21:50:44] <towo`> ca1ek, hae you installed the firmware, or not?
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4971[21:51:11] <ca1ek> i use mesa drivers
4972[21:51:24] <greycat> Yeah, given the statements we are seeing, it's not clear that he has done the basic homework yet.
4973[21:51:27] <towo`> ca1ek, that is not the answer
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4977[21:51:34] <greycat> ca1ek: dmesg | grep -i firmware
4978[21:51:43] <dioo> Hi, I'm trying to install the EFF/LetsEncrypt certbot client but I get a complaint from apt: replaced-url
4979[21:52:02] <dioo> Is there a command similar to 'aptitude why' to tell me why it's complaining?
4980[21:52:09] <teraflops> ca1ek: if xserver-xorg-vide.intel is giving you problems, try using modesetting
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4982[21:52:23] <greycat> teraflops: more likely the other way around, surely
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4984[21:52:43] <ca1ek> s/Big/Bug
4985[21:52:58] <ca1ek> greycat: ACPI: [Firmware Big]: BIOS _OSI(Linux) query ignored
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4987[21:53:17] <greycat> If that's the only one, then the second thing to try is nomodeset.
4988[21:53:20] <teraflops> intel video drivers are know to be pretty shitty, there's a debian article advising against them iirc, and recommendng modesetting for newer intel igpus
4989[21:53:24] * teraflops search
4990[21:53:32] <greycat> This isn't a *newer* one.
4991[21:53:46] <teraflops> intel HD is new if you ask me
4992[21:53:48] <greycat> modeset is the default in stretch
4993[21:54:01] <teraflops> intel HD 3000 works better using modesetting here
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4997[21:54:54] <teraflops> by modesetting I meant uninstalling video drivers and letting the kernel deals with the gpu
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5002[21:55:24] <greycat> You don't need to uninstall anything for modeset. Modeset is the *default*.
5003[21:55:37] <greycat> He's probably *already* using modeset, and if not, then we need to determine that.
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5005[21:55:50] <greycat> He is remarkably short on details.
5006[21:55:51] <SuperTramp83> skylake :'(
5007[21:56:04] <teraflops> greycat: ah nice, I wasnt aware of replaced-url
5008[21:56:28] <teraflops> good for debian
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5010[21:59:21] <spacebug^> dioo: are you using Debian Jessie?
5011[21:59:58] <dioo> spacebug^: Have to, it's a VPS and the kernel is too old for the Stretch libc version (I know because I tried and that's why I'm reinstalling)
5012[22:00:29] <greycat> I haven't dared to move my VPS past wheezy...
5013[22:00:31] <dioo> Also, I think I figured it out: looks like I need to use '-t jessie-backports' to specifically install deps from there (is this new?)
5014[22:00:31] <spacebug^> dioo: have you followed this and installed from backports? replaced-url
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5016[22:01:14] <spacebug^> dioo: yes it seems you need to do that. That will take packages newner then those in jessie but still not break your system
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5018[22:01:52] <spacebug^> dioo: read here about how you enable backports: replaced-url
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5022[22:02:55] <dioo> spacebug^: Indeed, looks like I'm going a bit too fast. Thanks for the pointers
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5025[22:03:30] <spacebug^> dioo: you are welcome
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5033[22:12:35] <ElHupeke> Can i get some help with solution of Samba share & permission denieds in Stretch?
5034[22:13:09] <greycat> Samba uses the basic file system permissions.
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5036[22:13:51] <ElHupeke> Ok, I can see the shares on my media center, but can't browse the shares.
5037[22:14:11] <ElHupeke> On my Jessie PC I can browse them from mediacenter.
5038[22:15:03] <ElHupeke> I read that the samba 4.2.5 (used in Stretch) has some security updates ? Config is same as on jessie...
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5040[22:15:59] <ElHupeke> Using user authentication, but after entering username / password, I get permission denied....
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5042[22:16:51] <ElHupeke> Mediaplayer is a bit old, so something to do with protocols?
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