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0 [00:00:01] <orbere> Is there a difference in audio support software while using xfce vs default debian desktop? My Thinkpad volume buttons stopped working after upgrading but also switching desktop managers.
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4 [00:01:05] <orbere> And what is the package name for the default Debian desktop? So I can try a user using that.
5 [00:01:36] <Lyberta> can I have opencl on free amdgpu driver and proprietary firmware?
6 [00:02:27] <cruncher> Lyberta, limited
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8 [00:02:57] <cruncher> not all already compiled opencl programs will work
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14 [00:03:36] <Lyberta> cruncher, I can live with that, what packages do I need?
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19 [00:08:07] <cruncher> Lyberta, dont remember really anymore... the amd opencl package was removed, so i installed the generic mesa one...but install clinfo, i think it should pull in the dependencies
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27 [00:09:32] <cruncher> its a pain when having an older amd card and wanting to opencl... since fgrlx doesnt work anymore
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30 [00:10:34] <n4dir> cruncher: with default Debian desktop you probably mean gnome
31 [00:10:51] <cruncher> n4dir, ?
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34 [00:11:01] <cruncher> n4dir, i thin you mean orbere
35 [00:11:09] <n4dir> cruncher: sorry, yup, i meant orbere
36 [00:11:12] <cruncher> s/thin/think
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51 [00:22:02] <g0zzy> hfs: Macintosh HFS Extended version 4 data . What do i need to mount that on loop?
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58 [00:26:24] <Walex> orbere: unlikely, they all use ALSA and PulseAudio underneath.
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67 [00:29:37] <sonOfRa> g0zzy: you need hfsprogs. Note that by default, you can only mount such disks in *read only* mode
68 [00:29:54] <sonOfRa> If you want to enable read+write, you first need to disable journalling while the disk is mounted *on OSX*
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70 [00:30:24] <sonOfRa> Trying to mount a hfs+ file system read-write while journaling is enabled will, in the best case, not work, and in the worst case, irreperably destroy the file system
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72 [00:32:49] <g0zzy> sonOfRa: thanks
73 [00:33:01] <g0zzy> RO is fine
74 [00:33:12] <n4dir> the bot has a bit of info too, but i am not sure if it offers any additional insight:
75 [00:33:14] <n4dir> !hfs
76 [00:33:14] <dpkg> The Hierarchial File System (HFS, aka Mac OS Standard) is the default filesystem on Mac OS prior to Mac OS X. <MBR> partition ID: 0xAF. The Linux kernel's hfs filesystem driver can read/write HFS filesystems, tools are in the hfsutils package. <parted> can resize HFS (shrink only) provided the start of the partition stays fixed. See also <hfsplus>.
77 [00:33:44] <g0zzy> Oops. I already have it installed
78 [00:33:48] <sdrausty> LtL: tnx
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80 [00:34:36] <sonOfRa> n4dir: that is a bit outdated, hfsutils is HFS only, not HFS+
81 [00:35:54] <n4dir> perhaps give /msg dpkg hfsplus a try (but i am really speaking over my head here. don't be mad at me :-) )
82 [00:36:00] <g0zzy> I should have said hfsplus to mount, not hfs
83 [00:36:39] <sonOfRa> g0zzy: hfsprogs will do hfs+ fine, hfsutils will only do hfs
84 [00:37:35] <g0zzy> OK. I'm actually searching for a ppd in a Mac package
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86 [00:38:03] <g0zzy> After all that, it looks like it doesn't have one
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89 [00:40:32] <g0zzy> Or its buried deep in some ghastly mac archiving
90 [00:40:40] <forcerecon> gartt: if signal would just make a desktop version for linux I would stick with signal.. gonna have to try out Ring.. thanks for information
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96 [00:47:11] <forcerecon> is this accurate ? replaced-url
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99 [00:47:29] <forcerecon> anything should be changed, taken out or added?
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101 [00:48:49] <n4dir> forcerecon: at first glance, if you don't plan to build anything from source, you can comment all debian-src lines (if you plan to build from source, you often want to build from sid anyway)
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104 [00:49:51] <g0zzy> sonOfRa: Thanks again for help
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111 [00:55:39] <forcerecon> n4dir: thanks.. I commented those out.. how about the main under the cdroms at the top? are those needed?
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114 [00:56:41] <n4dir> i would say yes, but i am not good at looking the the sources.list entries. I always copy/paste from the debian wiki (assuming i have to, usually the installe does it, duh)
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117 [00:57:23] <n4dir> you can also completely remove the cd-rom entries. well: that's what i do, to keep the file content as clear as possible
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119 [00:57:40] <forcerecon> replaced-url
120 [00:57:43] <forcerecon> got it thanks
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123 [00:58:36] <n4dir> probably looks like yours, like said: i tend to oversee something if looking myself
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127 [00:59:21] <n4dir> iow: to me your entries look fine :-)
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143 [01:10:58] <ephemer0l_> Hi, all. I'm struggling to get esmond installed on either jessie or stretch. Any advice?
144 [01:11:20] <ephemer0l_> >esmond : Depends: python-djangorestframework-extensions (>= 0.2.8) but it is not installable
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174 [01:36:16] <lupus> I'm at the Software Selection screen on my Debian Stretch install. I want XFCE, but no apps eg. LibreOffice, Calculators and such. IIRC ticking XFCE will install all kinds of office related software. Can anybody help me clear that up?
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177 [01:38:22] <n4dir> lupus: i think your only option is to a) don't install a DE during installation and b) (duh) install it after installation (apt-get install xorg xfce4 ... perhaps xfce4-goodies )
178 [01:39:02] <saptech> I think it's a way to do a minimum install of xfce
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186 [01:44:30] <master_> hi, how do i change the font in cinnamon panel and menu?
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1732 [02:26:45] <rigel> so i'm interested in helping package LXD. ive read the packaging guide, and read the ITP thread, but it's not clear to me where i might find out what work has already been done, given that it has been nearly a year since a significant useful-progress post has been made to the bug/ticket. im unclear about the etiquette surrounding just emailing developers on the list about helping, since i am a noob to much
1733 [02:26:51] <rigel> of this stuff. any input would be appreciated.
1734 [02:27:55] <rigel> there is a wiki article, but the whole packaging process has had to be restarted once already, so i'm not clear how much of that still applies
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1757 [02:45:58] <random_numbers> So, how does the process of adding a package, written for example in Python3, to Debian go? The part where stuff gets on alioth and gets the buildpackage files added is what I'm not clear on.
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1842 [03:46:24] <r_rios> Hello, all. I just tried to boot into Debian KDE live, but I didn't get past Plasma's splash screen. It seems that the video driver crashes for some reason. Also, in the boot menu, I didn't find a way to change the kernel flags. What can I do? At the moment, I'm running Jessie as my main system and I want to make sure Stretch works before trying to upgrade.
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1850 [03:49:57] <random_numbers> Boot flags are changed by pressing e on grub, iirc.
1851 [03:50:06] <random_numbers> As for drivers I'll let someone else answer.
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1853 [03:51:25] <random_numbers> replaced-url
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1856 [03:52:00] <r_rios> I tried pressing e, but the live image menu doesn't seem to be grub
1857 [03:52:13] <random_numbers> Hold down shift?
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1872 [03:57:34] <random_numbers> I unfortunately don't have any of the cds at hand to test.
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1895 [04:28:35] <Shmam> Hi everyone! For some reason Apper seems to crash every time I try to use it to install things. I downloaded a .deb package and clicked to install and apper didn't do anything. Is there something better that I should use to install .deb files?
1896 [04:29:24] <random_numbers> Apper??
1897 [04:29:33] <random_numbers> Normally you install stuff using dpkg
1898 [04:30:45] <Shmam> yeah I've been using dpkg on the command line but was hoping for a quicker way of doing things
1899 [04:31:08] <Shmam> so like I can just click once it downloads from chrome and it will either install with some gui thing or just run dpkg
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1901 [04:35:10] <random_numbers> That's... probably possible. Some sort of bash-script launcher that'd hand the full-path of the file to the script.
1902 [04:35:16] <random_numbers> s/bash/shell/
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1904 [04:36:15] <r_rios> Shmam: QApt is better for single .deb files
1905 [04:37:04] <Shmam> and is there a way to have it install the deps so that I don't have to manually go through them?
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1907 [04:38:17] <random_numbers> Doesn't just installing with dpkg and then using apt-get install -f do teh trick?
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1911 [04:39:00] <jmcnaught> how often are you installing random .debs anyways?
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1913 [04:39:22] <random_numbers> It's possibly a security issue.
1914 [04:39:28] <random_numbers> To do so.
1915 [04:40:30] <jmcnaught> every .deb package gets to run a script as root on your system, so just make sure you trust the origin, and that the software is in fact compiled for Debian and not some other distro that also uses .deb
1916 [04:41:15] <random_numbers> Which would probably just lead to system breakage rather than intentional security compromise.
1917 [04:41:24] <random_numbers> Still not very desirable.
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1922 [04:43:27] <Shmam> So I'm trying to install replaced-url
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1925 [04:45:33] <jmcnaught> Shmam: that website says the package is in stretch-backports, did you look there?
1926 [04:45:50] <jmcnaught> ,v tilix
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1928 [04:45:52] <judd> Package: tilix on amd64 -- stretch-backports: 1.6.4-1~bpo9+1; buster: 1.6.4-1; sid: 1.6.4-1
1929 [04:45:58] <Shmam> Yeah that gives me the .deb
1930 [04:46:05] <Shmam> that's what I'm trying to install
1931 [04:46:39] <random_numbers> If it's backports you should just edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file and add backports to it.
1932 [04:46:48] <jmcnaught> Shmam: you downloaded a .deb in your browser from the stretch-backports repo? why not just add backports to your sources.list and run "apt-get -t stretch-backports install tilix"?
1933 [04:46:52] <random_numbers> Along with importing the needed gpg keys.
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1938 [04:49:09] <Shmam> woooooah sounds fancy! So I opened up my sources.list what do I need to add?
1939 [04:51:03] <jmcnaught> Shmam: replaced-url
1940 [04:51:26] <Shmam> looks like I already have that in my sources.list waow
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1942 [04:51:47] <Shmam> E: The value 'stretch-backports' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources
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1945 [04:52:40] <jmcnaught> !bat
1946 [04:52:40] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1947 [04:52:58] <Shmam> Have this in sources.list: "deb replaced-url
1948 [04:53:22] <dvs> I thought ftp wasn't being used anymore
1949 [04:53:34] <jmcnaught> stretch-updates is not the same as stretch-backports
1950 [04:53:35] <dvs> ah neverminds
1951 [04:53:37] <random_numbers> It's http, the true ftp servers are indeed supposed to be dead.
1952 [04:53:45] <Shmam> well shit
1953 [04:54:22] <Shmam> This shows using ftp... replaced-url
1954 [04:54:57] <dvs> Shmam, it's outdated
1955 [04:55:01] <random_numbers> It's not an ftp. Legacy namescheme. But it indeed doesn't have the needed files.
1956 [04:55:05] <random_numbers> Check it with your browser.
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1960 [04:56:11] <random_numbers> replaced-url
1961 [04:56:13] <Shmam> This one? "deb replaced-url
1962 [04:56:44] <dvs> that's still a bit dated
1963 [04:56:46] <Shmam> I get an error when trying to install packages form that one
1964 [04:56:48] <jmcnaught> Shmam: are you on Debian 8 or Debian 9?
1965 [04:57:24] <Shmam> 9
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1967 [04:57:42] <jmcnaught> Shmam: so you want stretch-backports, not jessie-backports
1968 [04:57:52] <dvs> Shmam, then none of the lines should say "jessie" anymore
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1970 [04:58:15] <Shmam> right the ones I have are stretch
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1972 [04:58:35] <Shmam> deb replaced-url
1973 [04:58:39] <Shmam> thats what I have
1974 [04:58:46] <dvs> and?
1975 [04:59:30] <dvs> !tell Shmam about stretch sources.list
1976 [04:59:46] <jmcnaught> Shmam: like I said earlier, updates is not the same word as backports
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1984 [05:04:32] <Shmam> seems to be working now
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1990 [05:06:21] <jmcnaught> Shmam: nice. You might also want to check out replaced-url
1991 [05:06:57] <Shmam> Yeah will do thanks :)
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2064 [06:02:14] <lordarkmemo> Hi, im working with iptables. But everytime i restart th iptables load some rules that reject my traffic. I dont know how to erase those rules
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2067 [06:03:26] <Rusty1_> lordarkmemo: try #iptables or #netfilter if nobody here can help
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2072 [06:05:02] <lordarkmemo> Rusty1_: thank you
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2078 [06:05:37] <ajbone> Would anyone be able to suggest an apple email address I can write to ask why they don't have an itunes for linux? I don't think they will care and I wouldn't expect a response but I'm just not going to feel right until its done. Thanks
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2132 [06:22:56] <lordarkmemo> Rusty1_: Anybody help me :(
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2137 [06:25:54] <ahmed751995> excuse me, i installed debian 9 but i can't see Account Type in users in setting ?
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2148 [06:34:54] <codebam> how do I fix this replaced-url
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2151 [06:36:54] <codebam> I need vim installed
2152 [06:37:06] <codebam> I don't care if I use outdated packages, I just want it installed
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2155 [06:38:22] <codebam> never mind, figured it out
2156 [06:38:24] <codebam> used =
2157 [06:38:43] <klys> codebam, take out your apt source that has vim 2:8.0.0197-5 in it, update, and install the things you listed.
2158 [06:38:49] <klys> or that
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2160 [06:39:01] <codebam> well it's because I'm on sid
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2162 [06:39:20] <codebam> I did a dist-upgrade when I shouldn't have and it removed vim
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2166 [06:39:38] <klys> for sid there is a channel, #debian-next, irc.oftc.net
2167 [06:39:47] <codebam> oh cool, I'll join that
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2169 [06:39:49] <codebam> thanks
2170 [06:39:53] <klys> sure
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2185 [06:53:01] <Fox682> Hey guys, anyone have any trouble installing Debian 9 in a Virtualbox
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2187 [06:54:08] <iodev> Fox682: you mean errors?
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2189 [06:54:48] <Fox682> no errors, just after install it won't boot, just a black screen. I'm just using the regular Bios booting also.
2190 [06:55:29] <iodev> did you use manual or guided install
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2200 [06:58:32] <Fox682> I've done both, same problem, install, boot, blank.
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2203 [07:00:26] <Fox682> I've even verified the sha256sum for the iso... so I'm sure I got all the bits right.
2204 [07:01:00] <Fox682> The live versions will boot and run without issues.
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2206 [07:02:53] <petn-randall> Fox682: Does the bootloader pop up?
2207 [07:03:17] <petn-randall> Fox682: As in, do you see *anything* before the blank screen?
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2209 [07:03:57] <Fox682> yeah, I can select the regular boot options, tried running recovery mode, got the same thing, just more text before it went blank.
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2211 [07:05:19] <iodev> Fox682: is there any text in the top-left corner
2212 [07:05:23] <iodev> maybe login:
2213 [07:05:49] <petn-randall> Fox682: Try booting into single user mode then, by adding "single" to the kernel command line in grub.
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2222 [07:12:30] <Fox682> it looks like it doesn't even get to the grub boot, just shows some text about the kernel on the top left and then nothing, pegs the CPU and sits there..
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2224 [07:15:20] <Fox682> wait... nevermind, it goes to grub
2225 [07:15:29] <darxmurf> morning all
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2228 [07:16:35] <Fox682> the recovery mode boots the system with the single option for the os
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2230 [07:18:44] <Fox682> it shows the linux version and initial ram disk, then nothing.
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2232 [07:19:05] <Fox682> on the recovery mode, it'll stream some text... Let my try that.
2233 [07:21:21] <Fox682> yeah it runs for about 5.5 seconds the last entry is "write protecting the kernel read-only data: 1720k" last line is "loading please wait" and I've waited 15 minutes here too, now that I remember.
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2245 [07:31:46] <pragomer> in debian9 xfce i always have to input both, username and pw, to light-locker, when screen is locked. in e.g. xubuntu the locked user is kind of "preselected". how can I get this behavior in debian?
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2264 [07:46:57] <darxmurf> any idea of why I miss some folders when I mount a windows share using "mount.cifs -o vers=3.0" ?
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2279 [07:53:36] <butteredpopcorn> probably server side permissions
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2281 [07:55:25] <uxfi> hi butteredpopcorn
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2287 [07:56:35] <butteredpopcorn> hola
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2298 [07:59:27] <darxmurf> butteredpopcorn: the server is a windows 10 machine
2299 [07:59:37] <darxmurf> everything is fine with vers=1.0
2300 [07:59:50] <darxmurf> some folders are missing with vers=2.x or 3.0
2301 [08:00:00] <darxmurf> access rights are fine on the windows machine
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2304 [08:02:51] <butteredpopcorn> have you checked the file permissions
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2308 [08:05:36] <butteredpopcorn> also how are you listing the files
2309 [08:05:48] <butteredpopcorn> depending on the file explorer it could be hiding some files
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2320 [08:15:19] <darxmurf> yep I checked
2321 [08:15:32] <darxmurf> all permissions are inerhited from the mail folder
2322 [08:15:38] <darxmurf> main
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2324 [08:16:33] <darxmurf> then I mount it using mount.cifs -o ro,vers=3.0,username=xxx,password=xxx //ip/folder /mntpoint
2325 [08:16:52] <darxmurf> then when I ls the content of /mntpoint some folders are missing
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2328 [08:17:37] <darxmurf> and by the way, with smbclient I can list everything even when I force the version 3
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2331 [08:19:12] <butteredpopcorn> is it only folders or files that are missing too
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2340 [08:28:49] <pie3> if any one needs any kind of support/help for repitive task, i am ready to work with you for any kind of coding/similar work/task
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2347 [08:34:51] <darxmurf> butteredpopcorn: I would say folders
2348 [08:35:07] <darxmurf> in the root
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2351 [08:36:04] <darxmurf> by the way I sent a bugreport
2352 [08:36:06] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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2399 [09:07:23] <zorin-os> how do i install the amdgpu drivers or at least get them to work without nomodeset
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2401 [09:08:14] <zorin-os> as installing linux-firmware clang4-0 and llvm-4.0 didnt work
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2444 [09:31:06] <dirgeable> hi, is it normal when i run htop to have a bunch of /usr/sbin/apache2 and /usr/sbin/mysqld running at the same time?
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2459 [09:36:55] <Stummi> dirgeable, yes, since htop shows you all the threads created by an application
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2462 [09:37:23] <dirgeable> ok thx
2463 [09:37:29] <zorin-os> how do i install the amdgpu drivers or at least get them to work without nomodeset as installing linux-firmware clang4-0 and llvm-4.0 didnt work
2464 [09:38:18] <Stummi> dirgeable, press shift+H to toggle it
2465 [09:38:32] <dirgeable> thanks
2466 [09:38:34] <zorin-os> and xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu-hwe-16.04/xenial-updates,now 1.3.0-0ubuntu1~16.04.1 amd64 [installed,automatic] is shown
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2484 [09:50:12] <nox_darkcore> hello :) Any can help me with my kernel problem? I am dont can install the drivers for nvidia geforce 5200fx. x.x
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2493 [09:57:47] <hexhaxtron> Anyone experienced this? NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 22s!
2494 [09:57:58] <hexhaxtron> The system frequently freezes...
2495 [09:58:20] <Drzacek> nox_darkcore, nouveau doesn't work?
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2522 [10:19:13] <dionysus69> hey
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2525 [10:20:30] <dionysus69> gnome channel is pretty inactive right now, maybe someone knows what i need to do? I just want to create a systray icon that will have a checkbox and check and uncheck events will trigger two different systemctl --user actions, that's all. anyone knows how to do that or where can I find docs? I can't seem to find it on google, unsure what keywords to use
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2534 [10:31:11] <oskie_> cannot the world settle on writing the first name first?
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2544 [10:36:24] <jim> hi... in the past, the release notes of the then-debian+1 would say, bring the debian up to date before altering sources.list to go to debian+1 (example, debian being jessie and debian+1 being stretch).... has that changed?
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2548 [10:38:39] <petemc> jim: the steps required are detailed in the release notes. it can vary
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2560 [10:43:43] <inviz> deleted .initial snapshot and now cannot start kvm vm. failed?
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2565 [10:45:19] <dob1> hi, can I monitor nat connections on a gateway with iptraf? or there is a similar tool to do this ?
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2580 [10:56:29] <jim> petemc, got it... and, what I want to know is more specific than that: has the need to bring the previous dist (jessie in this case) up to date before moving past that to stretch become unnecessary? if so, what got fixed to make that happen?
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2586 [10:58:00] <pldiem1> hi, how to get the newest intel graphics drivers for debian 9 stretch?
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2600 [11:07:51] <jim> pldiem1, drivers are generally part of the kernel, so maybe the answer is "upgrade the kernel"... not sure tho
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2624 [11:22:36] <forcerecon> since doing away with ifconfig, which i generally liked the separation of things, is it default now to be using the IP command in debian?
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2631 [11:24:34] <FinalX> forcerecon: yes, and so it should've been almost a decade already. ifconfig and related tools had been deprecated in the linux world for the better part of said decade already. they just stuck around in debian because people were used to them.
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2634 [11:25:18] <FinalX> there was a page that listed ifconfig commands on the left and iproute2 equivalents on the right but can't find it atm
2635 [11:25:40] * FinalX hasn't been missing the ifconfig-family ever since he got to know iproute2
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2645 [11:31:00] <forcerecon> FinalX: thanks for information - link for anyone following thread - replaced-url
2646 [11:32:04] <FinalX> forcerecon: you can still install the tools for while you're getting the hang of it, by the way; it's just not installed by default anymore
2647 [11:32:16] <FinalX> (apt install net-tools)
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2660 [11:38:54] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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2663 [11:39:23] <forcerecon> morning BluesKaj
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2665 [11:39:40] <BluesKaj> 'Morning forcerecon
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2667 [11:40:51] <babilen> BluesKaj: It doesn't really scale for people to greet the channel on join, so it would be nice if you could do that in -offtopic :)
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2671 [11:42:53] <BluesKaj> babilen, your response took up more space than my greeting ....pedantic over reaction methinks
2672 [11:43:57] <babilen> Didn't we discuss this some time back? The essential difference is that your actions are recurrent while my statement holds true from now on
2673 [11:44:17] <BluesKaj> BS
2674 [11:48:11] <babilen> BluesKaj: Seriously, we addressed this two weeks ago and you should be well aware of it
2675 [11:48:30] <BluesKaj> babilen, get a life
2676 [11:49:50] <babilen> Please refrain from personal attacks, there is no need for it and this is a technical support and not a chat channel
2677 [11:50:12] <babilen> So, please drop it and greet people in -offtopic
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2722 [12:15:57] <phre4k> ok so a friend of mine wants to view some DRM crap with silverlight, can you link me a good comprehensive tutorial on that?
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2750 [12:30:13] <nox-lineage> Hello :)
2751 [12:32:20] <hiya> Hello :D
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2774 [12:45:14] <BluesKaj> babilen, where are you now, 2 people just said hello
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2799 [12:51:41] <forcerecon> Is anyone doing PGP encryption?
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2804 [12:52:32] <babilen> BluesKaj: Just drop it
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2807 [12:54:33] <apollo13> forcerecon: it would be more useful if you asked a question which were a little bit less meta
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2810 [12:55:59] <babilen> ^
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2815 [12:56:46] <forcerecon> apollo13: yeah I agree... uhm.. hmmm.. I was thinking that I would get involved with pgp encrypted email. Most of the reading I have done is from a couple years ago and I am unsure how to proceed. Does it make more sense to add pgp as stated in a document like this - replaced-url
2816 [12:56:47] <forcerecon> your encryption and decrypt keys?
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2818 [12:58:38] <apollo13> I do not know proton mail -- I just use thunderbird + enigmail
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2828 [13:02:07] <babilen> forcerecon: Most (all?) email clients support GPG and I would start by creating a key and configuring your client. See replaced-url
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2830 [13:03:06] <babilen> dpkg: tell dokma -about microcode
2831 [13:03:22] <babilen> dpkg: You are looking for intel-microcode
2832 [13:03:23] <dpkg> I resemble that remark!
2833 [13:03:30] <babilen> dokma: You are looking for intel-microcode
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2836 [13:04:27] <dokma> babilen: these contain Xeon microcode?
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2843 [13:05:49] <babilen> dokma: Yes -- See replaced-url
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2846 [13:07:07] <dokma> babilen: Since I already have this installed all I need is to stick the modded Xeon in and reboot?
2847 [13:07:48] <babilen> Indeed, you might also consider upgrading your boxes firmware as vendor supplied firmare bundles sometimes contain newer microcode
2848 [13:08:30] <dokma> This would be something coming directly from Intel?
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2850 [13:09:21] <dokma> I'm going to try plug the Xeon in and reboot now.
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2852 [13:09:25] <dokma> I'll keep you posted.
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2865 [13:16:20] <darxmurf> forcerecon: same here, t-bird + enigmail, it works quite well
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2868 [13:17:34] <phre4k> how do you watch silverlight stuff on Debian nowadays, I think pipelight uses NPAPI which is deprecated?
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2870 [13:18:24] <darxmurf> forcerecon: protonmail is using encrypted servers and all but their webmail does not offer the possibility to add PGP keys to encrypt/decrypt messages... which is, for me, a bit stupid ...
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2872 [13:19:33] <forcerecon> darxmurf: things must have changed.. they do offer the pgp key but it is 2048. They also do encrypted with password and timed self destruct.
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2874 [13:20:00] <forcerecon> I have an account with them and it is really quite a nice interface. I use Tor to connect..
2875 [13:20:28] <phre4k> forcerecon: why do you upload your PGP key to strangers' servers?
2876 [13:21:00] <forcerecon> I don't.. they offer a public key for download
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2880 [13:22:59] <phre4k> ok so why do you encrypt your mail with strangers' PGP keys? :D
2881 [13:23:37] <forcerecon> because I trust protonmail..
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2887 [13:26:30] <tdn> I have a user who logs on via SFTP which is chroot'ed into a specific folder. However, when I try and log in authentication goes fine, but get this error: fatal: bad ownership or modes for chroot directory <path to user's home>. Where can I find the requirements for ownership and modes for this folder?
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2890 [13:27:46] <darxmurf> forcerecon: yep but if I send an encrypted mail to you, can you read it from the webmail ? and encrypt your reply ?
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2899 [13:34:19] <DK2> when removing a hardrive that is in mdraid
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2901 [13:34:25] <DK2> do i need to remove it via mdraid first ?
2902 [13:35:42] <forcerecon> darxmurf: based on this, seems like you can, but they seem to have added it and then removed it in version 3 but are putting it back once they make it better or something - replaced-url
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2907 [13:39:15] <nicechap> Hi what does this crontab entry mean? 17-59/60 * * * *
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2916 [13:44:13] <nstr> nicechap: replaced-url
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2919 [13:44:35] <nicechap> nstr: I didnt understand it “At every 60th minute from 17 through 59."
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2921 [13:45:08] <nicechap> every 60th minute from when the crontab is set??
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2923 [13:45:22] <themill> I'd assume it means "never"
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2925 [13:45:39] <darxmurf> I would say the same :D
2926 [13:46:37] <nicechap> brrr really?
2927 [13:47:02] <darxmurf> where did you find this ?
2928 [13:47:24] <nicechap> on a server I am trying to understand.. it does run though at some point
2929 [13:47:34] <nicechap> (I believe)
2930 [13:47:56] <darxmurf> well, log the result somewhere and see if you get something :)
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2933 [13:48:09] <nicechap> i thought everyone here was a guru
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2935 [13:48:20] <nicechap> except me...
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2937 [13:48:54] <darxmurf> you can be a cook guru but pretty bad with cron
2938 [13:48:56] <darxmurf> but still a guru
2939 [13:49:07] <darxmurf> :D
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2975 [13:57:26] <jolt> You should see some cron output in syslog or messages I guess
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3007 [14:12:06] <Agafnd> apt can't find nyquist despite it apparently being in the repos replaced-url
3008 [14:12:12] <Agafnd> any idea why?
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3017 [14:16:37] <darxmurf> what do you have in your sources.list ?
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3019 [14:17:27] <Agafnd> it looks like replaced-url
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3021 [14:17:54] <Agafnd> basically just the default file + a backports line I added ... yesterday ...
3022 [14:17:57] <Agafnd> hm.
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3029 [14:20:46] <darxmurf> is your mirror up to date ?
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3035 [14:24:04] <Agafnd> aren't mirrors listed on replaced-url
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3039 [14:26:30] <nvz> does anyone know of a free dynamic dns service that works with the utilities in debian that I can use for simple access to a private network?
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3046 [14:30:11] <apollo13> replaced-url
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3049 [14:30:26] <apollo13> that said, what do you mean by access to a private network?
3050 [14:30:32] <nvz> apollo13: have you used this with debian?
3051 [14:30:37] <apollo13> no
3052 [14:30:57] <nvz> I plan to ssh into my father's computer from time to time
3053 [14:31:04] <hellyeah> Debian has problem with broadcam wireless card i am sure
3054 [14:31:11] <nvz> it'll be a lot easier if i have a hostname that doesnt change
3055 [14:31:46] <apollo13> nvz: a) most routers already support dyndns protocol out of the box, so you could utilize that, b) if your system allows for it I'd put it behind a vpn
3056 [14:32:03] <apollo13> I currently just have to do ssh home.vpn and it will utilize my ipsec network to $home
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3058 [14:32:31] <crazyb0y> nvz: use connect back tool
3059 [14:32:34] <nvz> this is whatever comcast gateway they give and the ip isn't likely going to change much
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3061 [14:33:18] <apollo13> well nsupdate.info will work fine then
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3063 [14:33:57] <nvz> last time I did this dyndns.org was still a free service and it worked well with both the tools in debian as well as the router firmware I had at the time
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3066 [14:34:19] <apollo13> yes, nsupdate.info is free and supports the dyndns 2 procotol
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3068 [14:34:52] <nvz> ah, ok. so does the router have to support it or can it be done from the debian box behind the router?
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3070 [14:35:30] <nvz> I will of course need to setup a static ip and port forward on the inside
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3072 [14:35:42] <nvz> for the ssh, and I will setup keys while I'm there too
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3074 [14:35:51] <hellyeah> My card seems work but it cannot recieve near wireless connection. Can you help me about it?
3075 [14:36:17] <apollo13> whatever you have been using with dyndns should still work (assuming you can change the provider there)
3076 [14:36:47] <nvz> hellyeah: check dmesg, you may be missing firmware. You need to be more specific about the model of the card, interface it uses (internal/laptop, usb, etc) and the issue you're having
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3079 [14:39:30] <hellyeah> Bm4313 broadcom wireless. Sometimes it couldnt find connections. I have laptop
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3081 [14:40:10] <hellyeah> Lots of networks bu no result
3082 [14:40:23] <nvz> yes well I haven't used one of those in many years but last I did it sucked royally, noise calibration was terrible, they crippled the driver which is closed source, disabling several features.
3083 [14:40:47] <nvz> again you will want to check dmesg, and perhaps /var/log/daemon.log to see if there are any clues as to what is going on
3084 [14:41:22] <hellyeah> Dmesg said error @wl_cfg80211_scan wlc_scan error -22
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3087 [14:42:27] <hellyeah> Any clues?
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3089 [14:43:44] <nvz> not really, nothing helpful anyhow. My best advice is find another wifi card and check for broadcom stuff before buying a laptop. its really junk and only supported by their binary drivers which are terrible
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3092 [14:44:59] <hellyeah> I see
3093 [14:45:08] <hellyeah> So driver issue
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3095 [14:45:43] <hellyeah> Sucks
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3097 [14:45:55] <nvz> well I can't be sure because I can't test the hardware with another driver but I know when I had one a long time ago it was definately failing to calibrate the noise floor properly which causes huge issues in the modern world where there are lots of radio signals
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3099 [14:47:36] <Agafnd> darxmurf: OH actually i think the problem was there's no build for my arch!
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3103 [14:54:17] <Agafnd> i'll just have to use apt-get source
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3111 [14:57:47] <darxmurf> ah yep
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3131 [15:05:16] <Agafnd> darn. I was following the instructions found here replaced-url
3132 [15:05:27] <Agafnd> and i'm not sure what to do
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3171 [15:21:40] <oskie_> Agafnd: perhaps control file is not correct
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3173 [15:22:38] <Agafnd> where's the control file? or what's it called?
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3175 [15:22:54] <oskie_> it should be in the debian directory
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3177 [15:24:15] <Agafnd> in what way might this be wrong? replaced-url
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3181 [15:25:53] <kus> when I do php -v I get PHP 7.1.8 (cli) (built: Aug 4 2017 18:47:28) ( NTS ) but apt-get install php-xdebug fails how do I install php xdebug in my php:latest image?
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3205 [15:37:27] <oskie_> Agafnd: could it be that the Architecture doesn't match? i don't know...also i use dpkg-buildpackage, not debuild
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3207 [15:38:24] <Agafnd> oskie_: gee, I AM building it on amd64
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3209 [15:38:51] <Agafnd> i assume just adding "amd64" to "architecture:" will not fix anything.
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3213 [15:39:56] <oskie_> you can try...
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3228 [15:45:41] <Agafnd> oskie_: well, I get a slightly longer error... replaced-url
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3236 [15:48:42] <Agafnd> hm. it says "add a.out in debian/source/include-binaries [...]" but, no such file exists.
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3238 [15:49:58] <oskie_> Afforess: I think the relevant error now is 'unrepresentable changes to source', but I'm not sure.
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3243 [15:51:39] <Agafnd> hm...maybe in this situation, i should contact the package maintainer?
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3249 [15:53:18] <Akuw> hi, i have a virtual only have 1 partition with linux sda1
3250 [15:53:32] <Akuw> i need to umount to clone, what options i have?
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3254 [15:54:08] <greycat> virtual what?
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3257 [15:55:28] <greycat> Answers are very different if this is a virtual machine (which kind?) vs. a virtual private server (which kind, which provider?)
3258 [15:55:31] <Akuw> virtual machines, sorry
3259 [15:55:48] <greycat> Shut down the VM, copy the disk image file.
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3277 [16:06:08] <Quatroking> Does enterprise support for Debian exist, the same way Ubuntu has?
3278 [16:06:36] <greycat> There's no commercial support from Debian itself, but you may be able to find a third party that will support you.
3279 [16:06:54] <vista> Hi, is there perhaps an archive of debs for Jessie? Looking for the deb for a particular version of the kernel image (3.16.36)
3280 [16:07:09] <greycat> !snapshot
3281 [16:07:09] <dpkg> replaced-url
3282 [16:07:17] <Quatroking> Gotcha
3283 [16:07:18] <Akuw> greycat: suppose it is a real machine
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3285 [16:07:40] <Akuw> greycat: the only way is use a CD or USB right?
3286 [16:07:48] <greycat> Akuw: you're just going to keep making up random scenarios until someone coughs up an answer that you like, even though it won't actually WORK because you're lying about your requirements?
3287 [16:08:00] <vista> Thanks!
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3289 [16:08:31] <Akuw> greycat: because i need to test i am trying to test on virtual machine, but the real case is real machine
3290 [16:08:47] <Akuw> that is all
3291 [16:08:50] <greycat> Then your test will not match reality.
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3293 [16:09:09] <greycat> Administration of VMs is *completely* different from administration of real iron.
3294 [16:09:23] <Akuw> ok, the scenario is real machine
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3296 [16:10:06] <Akuw> then the options i have is boot from USB right? but i need partclone to do the job
3297 [16:10:20] <greycat> Are you using LVM on the real machine, with enough unallocated extents to do LVM snapshots?
3298 [16:10:47] <greycat> If so, you can clone partitions at that level.
3299 [16:10:53] <Akuw> i need to check that
3300 [16:11:02] <Akuw> today i will go to check server
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3302 [16:11:20] <Akuw> in case there is no lvm
3303 [16:11:24] <Akuw> ?
3304 [16:11:26] <greycat> "partitions" really being logical volumes, of course
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3306 [16:11:52] <greycat> Then see my previous answer about you just making up random bullshit scenarios.
3307 [16:12:20] <greycat> "What if it's actually a Z80 powered by a lemon?"
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3309 [16:12:57] <P4gefault> What if my potatoe matches this apple? :>
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3311 [16:13:19] <forcerecon> you guys are tough... wow
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3313 [16:13:50] <Akuw> by now i used clonezilla but give an error when write image
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3315 [16:14:27] <Akuw> forcerecon: they are happy talking tough that make them more male
3316 [16:14:29] <Akuw> hehehehehe
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3320 [16:16:33] <P4gefault> I used to be a woman, but nvm :3
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3323 [16:18:05] <Akuw> ok, that pc don't use LVM
3324 [16:18:13] <Akuw> then what is the option ?
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3330 [16:20:58] <SuperTramp83> I can see how a patient and helpful cat can sometimes lose it and scratch your mug with his sharp claws
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3340 [16:27:01] <tremolo> forcerecon: It's very frustrating when someone (apparently) wants help and you want to help them, but they won't give you straight information that you need in order to help.
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3358 [16:35:35] <treehug88> tremolo what's your question?
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3360 [16:35:52] <treehug88> oh sorry that's to forcerecon
3361 [16:36:37] <Akuw> is very sad when you talk clear and people don't understand
3362 [16:37:29] <Agafnd> Akuw: consider that maybe you're not talking clear enough
3363 [16:37:49] <Akuw> last line
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3366 [16:38:47] <Akuw> again: i have a computer using Linux (don't use LVM) and i need to clone. I guess i have to boot from CD or USB. I wantt to use partclone
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3377 [16:47:51] <deathstar> how can I operate Debian by just i3 windows manager
3378 [16:48:15] <greycat> same way you operate any other system using i3
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3401 [16:55:02] <jandrusk> deathstar: You just set your desktop session to I3 and your good to go.
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3404 [16:57:01] <deathstar> no I just want to use i3 on x-org x11 sessions
3405 [16:57:20] <greycat> So you put "exec i3" at the end of your ~/.xsession and be happy.
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3407 [16:57:30] <jandrusk> ^ +1
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3409 [16:58:08] <deathstar> thanks greycat
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3461 [17:27:15] <nvz> how can I reattach screen as a different user? when I su to the user running screen I get an error that it cannot open my terminal
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3473 [17:35:31] <Ormu> nvz: just my 2cents replaced-url
3474 [17:35:50] <greycat> su/sudo to that user
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3479 [17:38:08] <nvz> yes that is what I was doing from an lxterm and its saying Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/1' - please check
3480 [17:40:05] <nvz> which is exactly what that stackexchange thing says happens when you try su and use it
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3489 [17:43:31] <nvz> the problem seems to be the screen process running as the user cannot access the pseudoterm running as the other user
3490 [17:43:39] <tw> You have to force a new tty allocation. That comment you quote actually has a link to a workaround.
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3492 [17:43:49] <vice> w00t.
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3496 [17:44:51] <nvz> maybe I missed it, things are easy to miss in a text mode browser on most websites
3497 [17:44:57] <tw> replaced-url
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3505 [17:48:37] <nvz> hmm that /dev/null trick works..
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3509 [17:50:14] <tw> script is the magic. /dev/null is the logging location for script.
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3515 [17:53:15] <nvz> hmm I never heard of this command before
3516 [17:54:55] <nvz> seems to me though that its just now running an extra process.. /me tries something
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3519 [17:56:54] <tw> You can add the destination user to tty, but that sounds like security problems abound.
3520 [17:57:07] <tw> I'd suck up the 2MB ram usage and call it a day.
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3530 [17:58:52] <nvz> hmm.. I thought doing a su -l or bash -i would do the trick
3531 [17:59:49] <nvz> I may reconsider my setup entirely, I just threw this together without thinking much about it
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3539 [18:02:46] <Zalabaslea> giga :)
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3615 [18:30:26] <Wonuku> Hello
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3618 [18:30:55] <Wonuku> anyone online?
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3620 [18:31:31] <towo`> no
3621 [18:31:40] <towo`> only 1686 bots
3622 [18:31:43] <Wonuku> oh nein
3623 [18:31:49] <Wonuku> I will ask my question anyways
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3626 [18:32:41] <Wonuku> I am trying to connect 2 debian computers (a laptop and a desktop) to make laptop share its wifi connection with the desktop
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3628 [18:33:01] <Wonuku> I have tried this replaced-url
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3631 [18:33:28] <rozie> Wonuku: does computers ping each other?
3632 [18:34:11] <Wonuku> yep they do
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3634 [18:34:43] <rozie> is ipv4 forwarding enabled on computer which shares network?
3635 [18:34:57] <rotaticus> so systemd is the way to go ... what about pulseaudio? will there be a /etc/systemd/whatever/pulseaudio-headless soon?
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3638 [18:35:17] <Wonuku> I don't know how to enable that
3639 [18:35:27] <Wonuku> I disabled my firewall so that is no prob
3640 [18:36:03] <rozie> you need to enable forwarding
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3642 [18:36:16] <Wonuku> I set the ipv4 setting "Shared to other computers"
3643 [18:36:45] <rozie> well, I don't know what does it do :-)
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3646 [18:37:45] <Wonuku> sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1 (as root)
3647 [18:37:47] <rozie> Wonuku: replaced-url
3648 [18:38:18] <rozie> this makes net (+dhcp) on my eth1 device for all computers
3649 [18:38:39] <rozie> and my laptop is connected to internet via wlan0
3650 [18:38:40] <rozie> HTH
3651 [18:38:53] <melvin> Whiich is the best open-source flash player?
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3654 [18:40:39] <Wonuku> I need to reboot into generic kernel cuz I am dumb and my kernel doesnt support masquerade
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3658 [18:44:18] <Wonuku> back
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3660 [18:44:26] <Wonuku> Failed to start dnsmasq.service: Unit dnsmasq.service not found.
3661 [18:44:39] <Wonuku> what do I do now?
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3664 [18:46:06] <johnfg> how do we make slapd to show its version? slapd -V doesn't show it.
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3669 [18:48:14] <rozie> Wonuku: not sure if you need dnsmasq
3670 [18:48:39] <rozie> ping 8.8.8.8 from the other computer should work. if you used right interfaces
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3673 [18:49:21] <Wonuku> Oh it worked
3674 [18:49:23] <Wonuku> without it
3675 [18:49:26] <Wonuku> thanks a lot
3676 [18:49:30] <rozie> np
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3683 [18:52:50] <rotaticus> any hints on pulseaudio and nonX systems?
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3685 [18:54:14] <Agafnd> melvin: gnash I think
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3687 [18:54:34] <Agafnd> melvin: but if you need it as browser plugin, try lightspark
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3689 [18:55:22] <melvin> Agafnd: Thanks, I'll check it out!
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3697 [18:58:41] <amd_0x51> Hey guys, may I ask what the fix is for nm-applet segfault? Vanishes from tray after I log out/log back in again
3698 [18:58:46] <amd_0x51> debian jessie MATE
3699 [18:58:50] <amd_0x51> nm-applet[4554]: segfault at c ip 08072ef9 sp bfec1f94 error 4 in nm-applet[8048000+59000]
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3704 [19:00:22] <brw_> amd_0x51: what package is that from?
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3707 [19:00:40] <amd_0x51> I think it comes with network-manager
3708 [19:00:47] <amd_0x51> however restarting that does nothing
3709 [19:01:03] <amd_0x51> I can bring it up in a terminal with nm-applet but then i have two of them running
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3711 [19:01:13] <brw> whats the path to it?
3712 [19:01:23] <brw> can you do a dpkg -S /path/to/nm-applet
3713 [19:01:27] <brw> or however you are invoking it?
3714 [19:01:44] <amd_0x51> just typing nm-applet
3715 [19:02:21] <amd_0x51> it is in /usr/share/nm-applet
3716 [19:02:33] <amd_0x51> bin sorry /usr/bin/
3717 [19:02:38] <Logg> you could try an updated version of the package from jessie-backports. optimistically, the segfault bug would be fixed.
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3720 [19:02:57] <brw> Yeah, doesn't look like it is in stretch.
3721 [19:02:58] <amd_0x51> okay so I should echo jessie-backports to sources list?
3722 [19:02:59] <brw> wait
3723 [19:03:00] <brw> yeah it is
3724 [19:03:05] <greycat> !jessie backports
3725 [19:03:05] <dpkg> Some packages intended for Stretch (Debian 9) but recompiled for use with "Jessie" (8.x) can be found in the "jessie-backports" repository. See replaced-url
3726 [19:03:08] * brw needs to adjust his eyes
3727 [19:03:21] <greycat> Please read the instructions. It's not obvious.
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3734 [19:06:09] <Lyberta> can reportbug encrypt password?
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3736 [19:06:32] <greycat> ... what
3737 [19:06:36] <Logg> ^
3738 [19:06:42] <Lyberta> mail password
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3741 [19:07:15] <greycat> If you are unable to send email normally, then just have reportbug save the report to a text file, and send that in an email using whatever crazy mail client you have to use.
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3745 [19:07:38] <Lyberta> ah, sounds good
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3747 [19:08:12] <greycat> replaced-url
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3755 [19:17:34] <greycat> What's the other place that /sbin/init symlinks to, besides /lib/systemd/systemd?
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3771 [19:25:26] <greycat> Hm, replaced-url
3772 [19:25:50] <greycat> ,file lib/sysvinit/init
3773 [19:25:54] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
3774 [19:25:57] <greycat> ...
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3782 [19:30:20] <n4dir> from the top of my head i can't find a good reason why i would want to encrypt a bugreport
3783 [19:30:50] <Logg> they wanted to log in to their smtp server securely I think
3784 [19:31:01] <greycat> I think the issue was the user's mail system is not really set up correctly, so he/she needs to use some kind of ISP mail server with a name and password to send email.
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3807 [19:41:28] <MarcinWieczorek> Hello, can anyone here help me with wireshark/tshark? It does not work properly on older versions
3808 [19:41:37] <MarcinWieczorek> I need to apply a netmask filter
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3813 [19:43:21] <rozie> does it work properly on newer version? if so, just dump to file with older version and use newer taking data from file
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3815 [19:45:16] <MarcinWieczorek> yeah but the files take too much space
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3817 [19:46:21] <rozie> and what do you mean by older version?
3818 [19:46:22] <MarcinWieczorek> I need to dump packets from one range to a file to analyze it in a GUI or whatever later
3819 [19:46:37] <MarcinWieczorek> 1.12.1 is what I got atm
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3821 [19:47:01] <MarcinWieczorek> And tshark just shows the help when a newer one actually works
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3824 [19:47:25] <rozie> what is that Debian version?
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3827 [19:47:51] <MarcinWieczorek> is uname ok for you?
3828 [19:48:03] <rozie> well, it's Jessie
3829 [19:48:06] <MarcinWieczorek> 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u2 (2017-06-26) x86_64 GNU/Linux
3830 [19:48:14] <MarcinWieczorek> Might be, I'm not a debian user
3831 [19:48:24] <rozie> you have newer version i backports
3832 [19:48:28] <rozie> backports.debian.org
3833 [19:48:30] <MarcinWieczorek> There are two versions in the repos, this one is the newer isn't it?
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3835 [19:49:01] <rozie> you can also capture packets with tcpdump
3836 [19:49:01] <nvz> ,versions linux-image-amd64
3837 [19:49:02] <judd> Package: linux-image-amd64 on amd64 -- wheezy: 3.2+46; wheezy-backports: 3.16+63~bpo70+1; jessie: 3.16+63; jessie-backports: 4.9+80~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.9+80+deb9u1; stretch-backports: 4.11+82~bpo9+1; buster: 4.11+82; sid: 4.12+84
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3839 [19:49:07] <greycat> That's the standard jessie kernel. A 4.9 kernel is available in jessie-backports if you need it.
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3841 [19:49:21] <rozie> he needs tshark
3842 [19:49:34] <rozie> ,versions tshark
3843 [19:49:35] <judd> Package: tshark on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.8.2-5wheezy18; wheezy-backports: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4~bpo70+1; wheezy-security: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u6~deb7u7; jessie-security: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u11; jessie: 1.12.1+g01b65bf-4+deb8u11; jessie-backports: 2.2.4+gcc3dc1b-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 2.2.6+g32dac6a-2; sid: 2.2.7-1; buster: 2.2.7-1
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3845 [19:50:02] <amd_0x51> I could not figure it out jessie-backports offered no upgrades but nm-appet is working again with no dmesg errors after a reboot
3846 [19:50:04] <MarcinWieczorek> can I easily open tcpdump output in wireshark?
3847 [19:50:11] <amd_0x51> I will try and ge to the bottom of it and report back
3848 [19:50:46] <Logg> Okay. if you can reproduce the segfault, consider filing a bug report amd_0x51
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3850 [19:50:57] <rozie> MarcinWieczorek: just test it. but you have newer tshark for Jessie
3851 [19:51:07] <amd_0x51> I will Logg thanks for the help
3852 [19:51:53] <amd_0x51> usually happens after a log out or sleep session. It looks like its been reported on several times over the years on ubuntu, gnome etc
3853 [19:53:53] <MarcinWieczorek> rozie: which one exactly? I'm using 1.12.1 already
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3855 [19:54:01] <MarcinWieczorek> tcpdump seems to work fine
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3857 [19:54:18] <gabrielc> MarcinWieczorek: replaced-url
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3864 [19:57:01] <rozie> MarcinWieczorek: jessie-backports: 2.2.4+gcc3dc1b-1~bpo8+1
3865 [19:57:10] <rozie> as I told. backports.
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3870 [19:58:37] <MarcinWieczorek> ok thank you
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3872 [19:58:47] <ahmed751995> excuse me, why debian sid don't use latest stable kernel instead of lts one?
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3874 [19:59:26] <Logg> I think sid questions go in #debian-testing
3875 [19:59:35] <greycat> which is on the OFTC network
3876 [19:59:45] <greycat> and it's also spelled #debian-next
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3878 [20:00:31] <ahmed751995> ok thanks
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3880 [20:01:04] <greycat> I am slightly curious what he thinks the "latest stable kernel" is, since judd says it's only x.x.1 below what kernel.org says.
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3883 [20:01:52] <n4dir> i guess the simple answer is, that sid is where new upstream versions of software arrive in debian. and the kernel is no exception to that rule
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3885 [20:02:19] <greycat> the less simple answer is kernel.org says stable is 4.12.7 and judd says sid has 4.12.6 and so what is the actual question?
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3887 [20:03:13] <n4dir> oh. i got it the wrong way around. i thought he would ask why sid doesn't use the debian-stable kernel, and was confused more than just a bit. duh. my fault
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3906 [20:08:29] <Wonuku> How can you stop xserver?
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3908 [20:09:12] <greycat> Close your X session. If that doesn't do it, then you probably logged in through a display manager, which you will have to identify, and then stop.
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3910 [20:09:32] <gabrielc> MarcinWieczorek: you can also send tcpdump traffic to wireshark using "pcap over ip"
3911 [20:09:36] <greycat> the most popular DMs currently are gdm3, lightdm, and sddm
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3920 [20:11:36] <Wonuku> something is really wrong here I tried typing lightdm stop and know I can access the login screen from every tty also I can use my mouse
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3922 [20:12:35] <hubot> How can I delete my firstname and lastname from replaced-url
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3925 [20:12:43] <hubot> I don't want show my firstname and lastname in Debian contributors list.
3926 [20:12:44] <greycat> *plonk*
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3939 [20:18:01] <Wonuku> executed service lightdm stop and tried switching to tty7 currently tty1 is frozen :/
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3942 [20:18:12] <Wonuku> can't switch form it either
3943 [20:18:36] <dondelelcaro> hubot: I think you can claim the e-mail and then disable it
3944 [20:19:00] <greycat> If X is not working, attack the problem from that direction. Make sure all firmware is installed (no file errors from dmesg | grep -i firmware). Make sure you are using the correct driver. Some nvidia chipsets may require the proprietary driver.
3945 [20:19:17] <dondelelcaro> hubot: specifically by claiming the e-mail, and then hiding all activity by yourself
3946 [20:19:30] <dondelelcaro> (people could still figure it out, but that will at least stop that page from showing it)
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3950 [20:21:18] <Wonuku> just didn't switched to tty7 ^_^
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3957 [20:23:31] <gabrielc> MarcinWieczorek: i think I got confused with mikrotik TZSP that supports live sending to wireshark
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3997 [20:39:28] <_frostie> has anyone have had problems with ladspa pulseaudio-equalizer_2.7.0.2-5 in debian 9? because when i reboot the system with that equalizer enabled it crashes pulseaudio and its not running? and i have to do: rm -r ~/.config/pulse /tmp/pulse-* pulseaudio --kill and pulseaudio --start in a terminal and pulseaudio works
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3999 [20:41:04] <_frostie> it is this one that makes pulseaudio crash after reboot: replaced-url
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4025 [20:53:04] <teraflops> _frostie: there is a pulseadio-equalizer package in debian repos already
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4031 [20:54:43] <teraflops> what I wonder is whether you installed it from debian repos or ubuntu ppa ones
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4033 [20:55:50] <_frostie> not installed ubuntu ppa, just installed from a .deb file
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4036 [20:56:31] <gumbee> is this the right channel to ask about why I can't play DVDs on my Debian laptop?
4037 [20:56:41] <gumbee> im using VLC and it keeps erroring out
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4039 [20:58:04] <teraflops> _frostie: from a deb file? by hand?
4040 [20:58:19] <greycat> That just shifts the question to "where did the .deb file come from"
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4042 [20:58:23] <teraflops> yeah
4043 [20:58:51] <_frostie> replaced-url
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4046 [20:59:19] <teraflops> ...
4047 [20:59:22] <tremolo> Unless you're running Ubuntu 17.04, that sounds like a bad time.
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4050 [21:00:15] <teraflops> ,v pulseadio-equalizer
4051 [21:00:16] <judd> No package named 'pulseadio-equalizer' was found in amd64.
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4054 [21:00:44] <oerheks> gumbee, there is a page about that, replaced-url
4055 [21:00:53] <teraflops> I swear it's there :S
4056 [21:01:05] <oerheks> gumbee, still some dvd's will never play
4057 [21:01:15] <gumbee> oerheks: yes that was the page i was following
4058 [21:01:19] <teraflops> replaced-url
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4060 [21:01:50] <gumbee> oerheks: i have some error message about "Error cracking CSS key"
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4064 [21:02:12] <gumbee> im going to put the error message in a pastie for now
4065 [21:02:12] <oerheks> gumbee, try an other dvd.. if that works, you have your answer
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4068 [21:02:32] <gumbee> oerheks: ah ok, ill give that a shot
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4177 [21:04:16] <_frostie> gumbee, you need libdvdcss2 for copy protected dvds look at DVD Playback part on the page
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4182 [21:04:35] <_frostie> here: replaced-url
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4205 [21:12:03] <forcerecon> tremolo: He should have never answered me.,. I was just making fun and he buried himself.. I waited to respond..
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4208 [21:12:15] <forcerecon> sorry for the crap
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4212 [21:13:12] <_frostie> teraflops, sorry that equalizer does not have the features i want, i have tried it
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4214 [21:13:20] <teraflops> ok
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4216 [21:13:43] <teraflops> just trying to get more detailed info
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4228 [21:18:54] <_frostie> teraflops, ok i understand. it has never been a problem with it before. is there any log in pulseaudio so i can see what makes it crash? (i did not find a pulseaudio log file) maybe missing dependencies or something
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4230 [21:19:28] <teraflops> _frostie: idk about that debian package tbh
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4235 [21:20:01] <teraflops> _frostie: you installed a package from another distro, by hand...
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4237 [21:20:12] <teraflops> s/debian/ubuntu
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4241 [21:22:46] <_frostie> well i have ran Ubuntu and i thought that if it works in Ubuntu (Ubuntu is Debian-based) it migh but it does not have to work also in Debian, i just gave it a try
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4243 [21:24:12] <n4dir> _frostie: the short answer/comment: No. And here comes the full stop.
4244 [21:24:52] <SuperTramp83> _frostie, you better compile the packages that are missing in the repo
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4246 [21:25:12] <teraflops> _frostie: yeah, about pulseadio logs, try journalctl, depending on your environment (DE/WM/DM) pulseadio can be started differently
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4250 [21:26:25] <tremolo> Eh, I'm not sure what happened. I'm not upset, and hopefully not upsetting.
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4255 [21:27:47] <_frostie> SuperTramp83 yeah i was going to say that, i could re-package it to Debian with all its dependencies and make it Debian compatible instead of Ubuntu
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4258 [21:28:15] <SuperTramp83> ^that would be great
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4260 [21:29:12] <teraflops> _frostie: idk about that very tool, but older one used to be just a python script
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4265 [21:29:52] <_frostie> yeah i remember that, then came the .deb file after that right
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4269 [21:31:31] <_frostie> i think came as a script first, then later as a .deb file that installed it and it ends up in ppa (Ubuntu/Mint and in repos in a few other distros
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4273 [21:32:24] <n4dir> the .deb archive can still contain the script.
4274 [21:32:34] <n4dir> the very same, i mean
4275 [21:32:49] <teraflops> or just a git repo on the intertubes
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4277 [21:34:59] <_frostie> found the script pulseaudio-equalizer.py
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4279 [21:36:54] <_frostie> if it works and i hope it does, just gotta test it first i could put it in the backport repo
4280 [21:37:22] <greycat> backports are built from sources *in* debian
4281 [21:37:50] <greycat> if you're getting this from upstream or another distro, then it would be a whole new package in debian
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4288 [21:40:56] <greycat> ,file pulseaudio-equalizer.py
4289 [21:40:58] <_frostie> yeah the source code for the software/tool must be in debian to backport (forgot sorry), i backported mpv and handbrake once and then i took it from sid
4290 [21:41:00] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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4293 [21:41:40] <_frostie> backport is make old software work with new system
4294 [21:42:01] <greycat> other way around
4295 [21:42:03] <_frostie> *new software with old system
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4300 [21:44:31] <_frostie> and then build it with its dep... and then create a .deb file and install and then the backport is done.
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4303 [21:46:11] <_frostie> i found this replaced-url
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4306 [21:47:35] <n4dir> _frostie: i don't know the wiki entry. I do know that at forums net the user stevepusser made a few posts how to rebuild from a ppa for debian. I can't say more about it, just spreading the info
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4311 [21:49:49] <_frostie> im going to search for a solution for the pulseaudio equalizer package and how to rebuild it to Debian
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4315 [21:50:35] <greycat> If it's really just one python script, it shouldn't be hard.
4316 [21:50:41] <Fox682> !next
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4322 [21:52:26] <_frostie> no i can backport a package from sid in when i had debian 8 i could also rebuild a package
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4324 [21:52:44] <aura> best setup for an encrypted storage drive?
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4329 [21:53:57] <Paul__> hello
4330 [21:54:15] <_frostie> if i can do backport packages, i also can rebuild so as said i agree would not be that hard
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4333 [21:55:09] <Paul__> I'm using debian 8.9 , I cannot save nothing web page from firefox on a usb memory
4334 [21:55:17] <_frostie> thanks for the help
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4336 [21:55:43] <Paul__> I tried to change the device permission, but it don't change
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4338 [21:56:17] <Paul__> it is mounted under /media/user_name/label_name
4339 [21:56:26] <n4dir> aura: imho cryptsetup, but i don't know much more
4340 [21:57:01] <aura> what about ext2 ext4 ecc?
4341 [21:57:05] <Paul__> must I mount the device manually ?
4342 [21:57:10] <Paul__> fat32
4343 [21:57:16] <Paul__> one partition
4344 [21:57:23] <n4dir> aura: i don't understand?
4345 [21:57:30] <jhutchins_wk> !best
4346 [21:57:30] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
4347 [21:57:48] <Paul__> drwx------ 8 pablo pablo 4096 Jan 1 1970 8GBYTE
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4349 [21:58:07] <n4dir> aura: i always use ext4, since it existed. in case that is what you asked.
4350 [21:58:18] <aura> ok :)
4351 [21:58:18] <Paul__> and the permission don't change with chmod
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4354 [21:58:24] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: Is it mounting read-only?
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4357 [21:58:56] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: One method is to set up a fstab entry with the correct user permissions using the device UUID.
4358 [21:58:59] <n4dir> aura: if you want to access a filesystem from (for example) a *BSD* system, you should keep that in mind (do the other OS'es support the filesystem you plan to use).
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4360 [21:59:08] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, I don't know , the flags are these : drwx------ 8 pablo pablo 4096 Jan 1 1970 8GBYTE
4361 [21:59:30] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: User pablo should be able to write to it.
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4363 [21:59:46] <teraflops> aura: you meant FDE?
4364 [22:00:04] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, yes , I may make a empty file with touch
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4369 [22:01:49] <aura> i'm not sure, i don't have special needs. i would just like to setup an encrypted storage hdd and making it accessible from different os
4370 [22:02:28] <Paul__> from promt bash I write correctly on the device
4371 [22:02:38] <Paul__> from firefox it's impossible
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4379 [22:03:52] <true_dat> hello
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4382 [22:04:16] <true_dat> where can I download checksums for debian iso to verify it?
4383 [22:04:23] <teraflops> aura: I think dm-crypt is fine
4384 [22:05:12] <n4dir> Paul__: sounds weird. If it was me i would probably download to the usual folder, copy it to the usb-stick and call it a day (On another note, i liked "pmount" a lot to mount as a user).
4385 [22:05:42] <teraflops> true_dat: from where you downloaded the iso itself
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4388 [22:06:10] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: I agree with n4dir - save locally, copy to drive.
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4390 [22:06:47] <true_dat> teraflops: I got it from here replaced-url
4391 [22:06:51] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, why is not possible to save directly ?
4392 [22:06:52] <n4dir> aura: i for one had hard times to use encryption from different operating systems. I didn't look that close though (and it is quite a while ago)
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4394 [22:07:16] <true_dat> teraflops: google didn't help me neither
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4396 [22:07:37] <Paul__> wait
4397 [22:07:40] <Paul__> I understood
4398 [22:07:53] <teraflops> true_dat: replaced-url
4399 [22:07:54] <Paul__> file system fat 32 don't support long filename
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4401 [22:08:02] <Paul__> this is the problem
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4403 [22:08:40] <teraflops> change the arch obv
4404 [22:08:53] <teraflops> true_dat: ^
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4407 [22:09:41] <true_dat> teraflops: thanks!
4408 [22:09:42] <teraflops> replaced-url
4409 [22:09:50] <teraflops> true_dat: np
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4414 [22:12:01] <true_dat> oh and how to verify the hashs signature using gpg?
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4416 [22:12:34] <greycat> just use md5sum or sha1sum or whichever
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4418 [22:13:12] <true_dat> no, I want to verify if the hashes are correct
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4420 [22:13:44] <greycat> What file?
4421 [22:14:01] <true_dat> there is a file called SHA1SUMS.sign
4422 [22:14:13] <greycat> I am not going to waste time trying to figure out what the URL is.
4423 [22:14:54] <true_dat> I didn't know you needed the URL: replaced-url
4424 [22:14:58] <jhutchins_wk> true_dat: sha1sum <file>
4425 [22:15:03] <true_dat> this is a signature for debian iso hashes
4426 [22:15:05] <jhutchins_wk> Compare output with that list.
4427 [22:15:08] <true_dat> I want to use gpg to verify that signature
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4429 [22:15:31] <jhutchins_wk> true_dat: gpg is not relevant.
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4432 [22:15:41] <true_dat> jhutchins_wk: really? why?
4433 [22:15:44] <greycat> so, the file is replaced-url
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4435 [22:16:23] <true_dat> I got the file with the signature, how do I use it?
4436 [22:16:27] <teraflops> true_dat: you will check gpg and then you will ask us about the gpg signature is not trusted, then we will have to tell you that that's not relevant, so go try shasum :P
4437 [22:16:55] <true_dat> teraflops: I didn't shasum, but I thought gpg is to make sure I got the right hashes?
4438 [22:17:17] <true_dat> teraflops: *I did shasum
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4440 [22:17:23] <Paul__> however I don't understand 'cause I cannot change the permission with chmod 777 dir_name
4441 [22:17:29] <greycat> *sigh* jesus christ, what the hell did gpg do...
4442 [22:17:36] <n4dir> security and half-knowledge don't go well together. I made my choice and gave up on security ... :-)
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4444 [22:17:39] <teraflops> you just need to know the iso havent been changed
4445 [22:17:39] <greycat> it won't let me skip --keyserver and it won't let me PROVIDE --keyserver
4446 [22:17:52] <true_dat> n4dir: lol!
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4448 [22:18:14] <true_dat> don't I also need to make sure the hashes haven't been changed by some evil person?
4449 [22:18:30] <teraflops> yeah, use sha1sum
4450 [22:18:36] <greycat> Oh, it works if I changed --recv-keys to --receive-keys :(
4451 [22:18:37] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: What's the filesystem on the USB? Usually it's an MS system.
4452 [22:18:49] <Paul__> fat32
4453 [22:19:09] <greycat> So, download both the file AND the signature; gpg --receive-keys DF9B9C49EAA9298432589D76DA87E80D6294BE9B --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net; gpg --verify SHA1SUMS.sign SHA1SUMS
4454 [22:19:09] <true_dat> I did that, but I also want to know if the checksum I downloaded is the one posted my debian developers
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4456 [22:19:15] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: Ok, don't expect ext permissions to work.
4457 [22:19:27] <greycat> That worked for me.
4458 [22:19:33] <n4dir> Paul__: perhaps if the directory above the directory you want to chmod is owned by a different user (probably root). That is: i would try it as root
4459 [22:19:34] <HSorgYves> morning
4460 [22:19:35] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, ah ok , and with ntfs ?
4461 [22:19:47] <jhutchins_wk> Also different.
4462 [22:19:52] <Paul__> I must use it on win too, sorry
4463 [22:20:04] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: You need to set it either with the mount options or in fstab.
4464 [22:20:21] <teraflops> true_dat: you are right
4465 [22:20:33] <HSorgYves> Does mysql command from mariadb read the ~/.my.cnf file? I am getting error "Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)"
4466 [22:20:34] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: ...but you already established that you can write to it with bash, so do that.
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4468 [22:20:44] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, fat32 haven't permission ?
4469 [22:21:04] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: Uses a different system.
4470 [22:21:16] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, I must save from firefox, it was a double "" character
4471 [22:21:33] <true_dat> greycat: we must have different versions of gpg because the parameters are different for me
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4473 [22:21:40] <greycat> I am on stretch.
4474 [22:21:45] <Paul__> ntfs have permissions ? I must use this usb under win too
4475 [22:21:53] <greycat> If you're on something older, --recv-keys may work for you as it used to work for me.
4476 [22:22:10] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: Save it to the local filesystem, copy it to the drive.
4477 [22:22:25] <Paul__> ok solve thx
4478 [22:22:32] <Paul__> ok I solved thx
4479 [22:22:43] <jhutchins_wk> !next
4480 [22:22:44] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
4481 [22:23:08] <HSorgYves> jhutchins: I am here ;-)
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4485 [22:24:38] <HSorgYves> jhutchins_wk: make me happy
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4487 [22:26:49] <jhutchins_wk> HSorgYves: I would think that Maria should respect the .my.cnf files, there could be a syntax error.
4488 [22:27:14] <jhutchins_wk> HSorgYves: I would check the MariaDB documentation, particularly any README files in /usr/share/doc/...
4489 [22:27:45] <jhutchins_wk> HSorgYves: Does it work if you use -p?
4490 [22:27:48] <HSorgYves> stat("~/.my.cnf", 0x7ffdcdb33f80) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
4491 [22:27:59] <jhutchins_wk> HSorgYves: Well there ya go!
4492 [22:28:07] <HSorgYves> # ls -la ~/
4493 [22:28:13] <HSorgYves> -rw------- 1 root root 28 Aug 15 22:21 .my.cnf
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4495 [22:28:33] <jhutchins_wk> cat .my.cnf
4496 [22:28:49] <HSorgYves> # cat .my.cnf
4497 [22:28:49] <HSorgYves> [client]
4498 [22:28:49] <HSorgYves> password =
4499 [22:28:52] <greycat> HSorgYves: looks like the ~ did not get expanded
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4501 [22:29:04] <greycat> that stat() call should have had an actual path
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4505 [22:29:36] <HSorgYves> greycat: The call was: # strace mysql
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4507 [22:30:04] <DK2> i just added two new networks via "ip rule add from x.x.x..x/24 table 100" and their defaultgws
4508 [22:30:12] <DK2> but how can i make this reboot persistent?
4509 [22:30:14] <true_dat> greycat: thanks that helped!
4510 [22:30:42] <HSorgYves> greycat: thx taht helped!
4511 [22:30:55] <DK2> other than putting them into rclocal
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4514 [22:31:31] <HSorgYves> stat("/root/.my.cnf", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=28, ...}) = 0
4515 [22:31:31] <HSorgYves> open("/root/.my.cnf", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3
4516 [22:31:33] <ksft> I have a Debian live USB thing that I just booted from
4517 [22:31:50] <ksft> it has a menu with a few options for installing Debian
4518 [22:31:53] <HSorgYves> jhutchins_wk: another happy customer ;-)
4519 [22:32:06] <ksft> is there a way to get to a shell or something without installing it?
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4528 [22:38:09] <Paul__> how to change a label of a partition ?
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4533 [22:43:05] <Paul__> hello
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4536 [22:44:03] <amd_0x51> man fdisk
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4538 [22:44:19] <Paul__> ntfs not 83
4539 [22:44:24] <Paul__> id 7 ntfs
4540 [22:44:41] <greycat> partition types are really just a comment
4541 [22:45:03] <Paul__> e2label dont go
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4555 [22:51:17] <Paul__> ok, problem solved, I change the usb in ntfs
4556 [22:51:42] <Paul__> now I need to set the label
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4565 [22:58:16] <Paul__> ok, the device must be unmounted
4566 [22:58:19] <Paul__> thx all
4567 [22:58:29] <Paul__> good end summer
4568 [22:58:32] <Paul__> :)
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4575 [23:01:43] <jhutchins_wk> Paul__: That doesn't change anything except the label, it will not become an ntfs partition.
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4579 [23:03:02] <Paul__> jhutchins_wk, I re-formatted the usb key with ntfs , I unmounted it , new_label, and now the new label is setted
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4582 [23:03:16] <Paul__> to change label need unmount the device
4583 [23:03:48] <greycat> Apparently the setting of this entirely cosmetic Partition ID/Type *was* the entire goal.
4584 [23:04:05] <greycat> Unless Microsoft actually cares about it. *shrug*
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4601 [23:15:14] <aguitel> apt or aptitude ?
4602 [23:15:14] <apt> well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. replaced-url
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4608 [23:17:50] <armin> [armin@atlantis:~] apt-cache search network-manager | grep -i kde
4609 [23:17:51] <armin> [armin@atlantis:~]
4610 [23:17:59] <armin> anyone a hint what that was called?
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4617 [23:22:02] <aguitel> aptitude is better than apt ?
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4624 [23:29:47] <petn-randall> aguitel: It depends on what job you want to accomplish. Use the one that suits you better, they both use the same package backend.
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4627 [23:31:18] <aguitel> petn-randall: ok
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4632 [23:35:29] <petn-randall> ,v plasma-nm
4633 [23:35:30] <judd> Package: plasma-nm on amd64 -- jessie: 0.9.3.4-2; sid: 4:5.8.6-1; buster: 4:5.8.6-1; stretch: 4:5.8.6-1
4634 [23:35:43] <petn-randall> armin: I think you're looking for this. ^^^
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4637 [23:36:49] <armin> petn-randall: that's the one. thanks a lot!
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4639 [23:36:57] <petn-randall> armin: You're welcome!
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4646 [23:41:29] <lavenders> on amd64 deb9 fresh install i use chromium and overtime the chromium renderers fill up memory and deb9 freezes.
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4648 [23:42:19] <lavenders> Q: Is this chromium or deb9, why does ram fill up, your guess? should i buy more ram?
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4651 [23:43:02] <lavenders> have 8gb
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4657 [23:44:41] <petn-randall> lavenders: Are you sure the freeze is because of RAM?
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4659 [23:45:42] <lavenders> i dunno i newbie, is there a system log, sometimes the screen goes blank, i had same issue on deb8
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4661 [23:46:40] <lavenders> yes it must be bug in webpage because if i leave page open on autoreload 30min then ram stays low and no freeze!
4662 [23:47:12] <lavenders> Q: could it be possible that a website script could do sth like this?
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4664 [23:48:00] <petn-randall> !linux ate my ram
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4666 [23:48:54] <lavenders> wooot?
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4668 [23:49:02] <petn-randall> !atemyram
4669 [23:49:03] <dpkg> "Linux ate my ram!" No, it didn't. Read this: replaced-url
4670 [23:49:14] <petn-randall> lavenders: Ah, that's the one. I didn't know the right factoid.
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4675 [23:51:26] <lavenders> so, use OutOfMemory-killer to kill ?
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4678 [23:51:52] <lavenders> i have everything default setting, chrome tab sometimes freezes, what to do now?
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4680 [23:52:09] <lavenders> the website tells me i should start to worry
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4683 [23:54:25] <petn-randall> I'm not sure if you're reading the same web page as I do.
4684 [23:55:09] <lavenders> cite: Warning signs of a genuine low memory situation that you may want to look into == true YES
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