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• 4[00:00:54] <Lady_Aleena> When upgrading to stretch, will my sources.list be overwritten meaning my notes will be lost?
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• 7[00:01:22] <n4dir> iirc: no, it won't be overwritten.
• 8[00:01:46] <n4dir> to be sure cp it, won't hurt (i am pretty sure, but am not keen being the culprit)
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• 10[00:02:05] <Lady_Aleena> So "jessie" will be altered to "stretch" in sources.list only?
• 11[00:02:34] <n4dir> again: iirc: if an upgrade gives a new config file in etc, you will be asked what you want to do (use the new version, overwrite it, what-not)
• 12[00:02:43] <n4dir> Lady_Aleena: yes, but you have to do it
• 13[00:03:14] <n4dir> - /etc/debian_version or such will be changed.
• 14[00:03:24] <n4dir> but it only gives info, as far i know
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• 16[00:04:43] <Lady_Aleena> copied.
• 17[00:04:47] <n4dir> in general the /etc directory is rather small. if it was me i would cp the whole folder, before doing an upgrade.
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• 19[00:04:59] <SpeakerToMeat> Hello my dear people.
• 20[00:05:03] <n4dir> but then: i don't edit much there anyway. lol
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• 22[00:05:28] <Lady_Aleena> n4dir, I have to argue with apache in /etc sometimes.
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• 24[00:06:10] <SpeakerToMeat> Question, I'm migrating my system install to a new HDD (SSD), and taking the chance to try and change my debian (stretch upgraded from Jessie upgraded from Wheezie), from BIOS boot to EFI boot
• 25[00:06:45] <SpeakerToMeat> I've chrooted from a different distro live, I've installed grub-efi-amd64 and manually created /boot/efi and mounted the partition there
• 26[00:06:47] <n4dir> I see. To me it seems to be more easy to cp all of /etc (so i don't miss something). Like said: i am pretty sure you will be asked what you want to do. But won't hurt to be safe (save?). Lady_Aleena
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• 29[00:08:25] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: you botted into efi mode on the live system? You were already using a GPT partition table? AFter that make sure you mount /boot/efi, and then you should be able to remove the grub-pc package and install the grub-efi one, then run grub-install /dev/efipartition I belive
• 30[00:08:26] <SpeakerToMeat> But trying to generate the efi image, grub-install /dev/sdc argues theres no "BIOS boot partition", my manually made efi boot partition /dev/sdc1 is type ef00 in gdisk, so it should work... I wonder, grub is probably trying to create a bios boot because this live is in bios mode not efi... is there any way to create the efi image and install it to /boot/efi/efi/debian somehow even in bios mode? that is, convince grub-install to use efi
• 31[00:08:48] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: The new SSD is formated in GPT, with the system in id 8300 and the efi partition in ef00
• 32[00:08:53] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: you might still ahve grub-pc installed, and thus grub-install is trying to install an mbr image
• 33[00:09:05] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Ok I'll remove that and try, thanks
• 34[00:10:12] <Apteryx> Is there an easy way to install AMDGPU PRO driver on Debian 9? I'd much prefer to use amdgpu open source driver (+ proprietary blobs...), except it doesn't work.
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• 36[00:10:39] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Only the config files of that remained, I did a --purge but told it not to delete everything in /boot/grub just in case, should I delete that too?
• 37[00:11:17] <somiaj> Apteryx: not officalially, but I belive you can edit the amdpro installer to make it work on debian 9 (just change the ubuntu to stretch or debian, forget the details)
• 38[00:11:41] <Apteryx> somiaj: OK. I guess this setup would break on a kernel update?
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• 40[00:11:50] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Hmm still the same error, I tried this: "grub-install --target=arm64-efi /dev/sdc" got this "grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/arm64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory"
• 41[00:12:04] <Lady_Aleena> The only things in /etc I have edited (that I remember) is sudoers, sources.list, and apache2 files; and those are now saved elsewhere.
• 42[00:12:20] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Don't mind me for now, I think I got it....
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• 45[00:13:01] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: I ended up doign a fresh install when I switched to efi, there maybe something in etc that grub-install is using to think it needs to do an mbr install vs efi
• 46[00:13:07] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Bingo... ls taught me the right call was "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi /dev/sdc"
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• 49[00:13:51] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: note you can bypass grub alltogether with efi and use efibootmgr (which I think is now part of systemd in stretch)
• 50[00:14:04] <Lady_Aleena> Now all I have to do is my rsyncs to the 3 destinations, then I can upgrade to stretch. I think.
• 51[00:14:30] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Thank you... as I'm not in efi mode, grub couldn't set the boot image in efi, but I'm told copying the efi image to /boot/efi/EFI/boot/bootx64.efi should fix
• 52[00:14:50] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: you have to boot into efi mode to be able to install a boot mangaer for efi.
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• 54[00:15:10] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: copying that file won't update the firmware, you maybe able to do that from your firmware, but best to have a live image that boots into efi mode (not legacy)
• 55[00:15:26] <benefit> I like this channel already, great bot showing the ropes from the beginning
• 56[00:15:37] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Not a bad idea... I'm gonna use rEFINd really as I have a win 7 on my old hdd which I'll turn to EFI as well (with parted and lots of luck, wish me luck!) I'll see but rEFINd most surely supports booting from efibootmgr
• 57[00:15:57] <cluelessperson> So it turns out, Openvpn TUN interfaces are not BROADCAST, TAP is. So samba apparently requires broadcast?
• 58[00:16:04] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: What are the advantages of efibootmgr?
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• 60[00:16:38] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: just smaller, efi firmware can effectivally be a boot manager and you don't really need a special boot manager like grub.
• 61[00:17:30] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: And with refind in the middle I do not need to worry about needing grub to boot other devices sometimes... ok.... I'll give efibootmgr a read. I'll miss grub, I liked it when I switched from lilo to grub, but we'll see. thanks
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• 65[00:18:19] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: note, efibootmgr will need a single efi file per kernel you use, so unlike grub you won't have a list of older kernels.
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• 67[00:18:31] <somiaj> SpeakerToMeat: just makes recovery a little more problematic.
• 68[00:18:37] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: Hmmm.... yeah
• 69[00:18:44] <SpeakerToMeat> I'll consider it.
• 70[00:19:02] <somiaj> since you don't really change kernels that often in stretch it won't be a big problem (unless you use backport kernels)
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• 72[00:19:27] <naamra> is anyone here?
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• 76[00:20:20] <aves> hi
• 77[00:20:27] <somiaj> naamra: just ask your debian support question if you have one
• 78[00:20:34] <SpeakerToMeat> .ask
• 79[00:20:37] <SpeakerToMeat> Oh sorry
• 80[00:20:43] <n4dir> !ask
• 81[00:20:43] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
• 82[00:20:47] <n4dir> ta-da.
• 83[00:20:48] <petn-randall> naamra: Many people indeed :)
• 84[00:21:08] <SpeakerToMeat> n4dir: Thanks, but somiaj had already told them :)
• 85[00:21:20] <Lady_Aleena> n4dir, isn't there a way to tell dpkg to tell someone directly? Let me test it.
• 86[00:21:22] <aves> I have a bug. He arise random. working may 2-3 day is normal but after some events start high load cpu
• 87[00:21:31] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: tell foo about bar
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• 89[00:21:50] <Lady_Aleena> tell n4dir about ask
• 90[00:21:52] <SpeakerToMeat> somiaj: With trigger? (!)
• 91[00:21:58] <Lady_Aleena> !tell n4dir about ask
• 92[00:22:01] <somiaj> Lady_Aleena: you need to triger dpkg so ! or dpkg:
• 93[00:22:17] <SpeakerToMeat> aves: Have you used a task manager to see which process is using the cpu?
• 94[00:22:22] <Lady_Aleena> somiaj, I sort of figured the moment I hit enter.
• 95[00:22:49] <aves> SpeakerToMeat, replaced-url
• 96[00:23:07] <aves> SpeakerToMeat, its my question on SO
• 97[00:23:08] <Lady_Aleena> !tell Lady_Aleena about stretch
• 98[00:23:10] <SpeakerToMeat> php fpm? Hmmm
• 99[00:23:27] <Lady_Aleena> Hmm... !tell doesn't work through +g.
• 100[00:23:27] <aves> SpeakerToMeat, yes
• 101[00:23:35] <n4dir> Lady_Aleena: if you want the info yourself, you can do /msg dpkg stretch
• 102[00:23:46] <n4dir> i always forget the !tell trick though ...
• 103[00:23:57] <Lady_Aleena> n4dir, I was testing !tell against +g.
• 104[00:24:13] <cloppy> Hello everyone. Is there a way to make graphics tablet work on wayland? I have a wacom tablet and it's not detect in the control panel on wayland and when I use it I get 2 cursors. It also doesn't work with any applications. It did that pretty much on every distro by the way.
• 105[00:24:23] <n4dir> ok (not that i would understand it, but i misunderstood your approach Lady_Aleena )
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• 109[00:25:02] <Lady_Aleena> n4dir, logging onto freenode and setting user mode +g turns off all private messaging.
• 110[00:25:29] <SpeakerToMeat> aves: I'm not that good at strace but I don't see the file associated with the file handle 8 there... now if this is in php-fpm, have you tried seeying the http server access logs to see if there's an access spike at these moments?
• 111[00:25:34] <Lady_Aleena> I use +g to keep the creeps away.
• 112[00:25:55] <n4dir> ah, thanks
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• 114[00:26:45] <aves> SpeakerToMeat, write(8, "C", 1) 8 is filehandle?
• 115[00:27:17] <SpeakerToMeat> aves: that's a write to a handle command (afaik), that's failing to write to the handle for some reason (the handle can point to a file, a socket, a unix socket, etc)
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• 117[00:27:40] <SpeakerToMeat> That reason... it says it's not available...
• 118[00:28:12] <aves> SpeakerToMeat, thanks try to see
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• 121[00:30:07] <SpeakerToMeat> aves: Now I've never straced that kind of thing, but my personal suspicion at first glance would be you're receiving a load of requests that are closing the tcp connection before being able to receive a response...
• 122[00:30:42] <SpeakerToMeat> that might reflect in your http daemon access logs (or error logs too if php freaks out at this)... but it's just a suposition, not based on hard data
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• 128[00:31:42] <SpeakerToMeat> Ok will try to boot off my "new" SSD, wish me luck, bbl, thanks for the help somiaj
• 129[00:32:04] <SpeakerToMeat> If that works, I'll try to EFI up my windows install next, not that I use it much (once in the last year)
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• 139[00:40:53] <aves> php-fpm7.0[11050]: segfault at 7f2513fc5ee1 ip 00007f2513fc5ee1 sp 00007f250a1f2d20 error 14 in libbsd.so.0.8.3[7f2515047000+13000] what error?
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• 145[00:43:07] <Pupuser-1> hello
• 146[00:43:38] <Apteryx> How can I tell 'apt' or 'dpkg' to *not* update a given package (linux-image-4.13.0-rc2+) ?
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• 150[00:43:52] <Apteryx> I want this one to be frozen until I manually update it.
• 151[00:44:10] <Apteryx> Well, I want the linux-image installed packgae to not be touched.
• 152[00:44:21] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Apteryx about hold
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• 154[00:44:59] <Apteryx> they're on their pause ;)
• 155[00:45:40] <aloo_shu> find out yourself: man dpk , man apt-get
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• 157[00:45:55] <aloo_shu> and then /hold
• 158[00:46:01] <Apteryx> yep, that's what I'm doing, thanks :)
• 159[00:46:06] <aloo_shu> dpkg , typo
• 160[00:46:06] <dpkg> somebody said typo was when someone tries to type really fast without knowing what he is actually doing.... so he makes typing mistakes.
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• 162[00:46:43] <aloo_shu> now who was that somebody, we all wonder
• 163[00:47:13] <aloo_shu> no poke intended actually
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• 165[00:48:01] <aloo_shu> should I rename myself into 'crashes' and get kidneyache from all the poking?
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• 169[00:50:27] <Apteryx> aloo_shu: In the manpages, I see that a package can have a state "hold', and how to instruct the package managers dpkg/apt to force their way around that, but I don't see how to *set* that state to a package.
• 170[00:50:28] <aves> php-fpm7.0[11050]: segfault at 7f2513fc5ee1 ip 00007f2513fc5ee1 sp 00007f250a1f2d20 error 14 in libbsd.so.0.8.3[7f2515047000+13000] what error?
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• 172[00:50:52] <petn-randall> !bat
• 173[00:50:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 175[00:51:16] <petn-randall> aves: Can you provide all of the above for the package php7.0-fpm?
• 176[00:51:36] <Apteryx> Oh, maybe "apt-get --no-upgrade"
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• 178[00:52:25] <aves> petn-randall, ok thanks try
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• 188[00:57:15] <aves> petn-randall, 2 replaced-url
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• 190[00:58:05] <Apteryx> Would doing 'apt-mark hold linux-image-4.13.0-rc2+' prevent an eventual 4.14 backported kernel to replace the "linux-image" currently used system package?
• 191[00:58:10] <petn-randall> aves: Can you also provide 'apt-cache policy libbsd0'?
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• 193[00:58:49] <petn-randall> aves: It seems like you're running php-fpm from some random Ubuntu repo, which is why it's broken for you.
• 194[00:59:02] <aves> petn-randall, replaced-url
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• 198[01:00:27] <petn-randall> aves: Try removing and reinstalling any packages you previously installed from the Ubuntu PPA.
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• 202[01:01:25] <abrotman> "This package is for Windows10, but it should work on Windows95, because 10<95"
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• 205[01:02:37] <aves> petn-randall, thanks try
• 206[01:03:02] <petn-randall> !dont break debian
• 207[01:03:03] <dpkg> from memory, dont break debian is replaced-url
• 208[01:03:12] <petn-randall> aves: Also have a look at the link above. ^^^
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• 212[01:06:58] <polaris> Hi there, I read in a forum that bumblebee has been deprecated in other distros and rather it's recommended to use nvidia-prime. I think it's not the case for Debian. Do you know something about it?
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• 215[01:08:50] <petn-randall> polaris: There's only bumblebee in stretch, but there might be nvidia-prime by the time buster releases.
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• 217[01:09:56] <matu> Hi
• 218[01:10:03] <polaris> petn-randall, how about in the backports?
• 219[01:10:03] <matu> what is the best way to install Remmina on debian 9 ?
• 220[01:10:33] <matu> on the official website of Remmina, it says that Remmina v1.2 will be available for debian 9
• 221[01:10:35] <matu> but it is not in the repo
• 222[01:11:03] <abrotman> matu: what's the website?
• 223[01:11:16] <abrotman> matu: why not use the RDP clients in Debian already?
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• 225[01:11:40] <matu> Remmina.org
• 226[01:11:50] <matu> which client abrotman ?
• 227[01:11:56] <abrotman> there are many
• 228[01:12:03] <matu> i like Remmina
• 229[01:12:07] <matu> because i know it
• 230[01:12:15] * abrotman didn't realize RDP was that hard ..
• 231[01:12:24] <abrotman> matu: it says you have to use Snap to install on Debian
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• 233[01:12:45] <matu> Snap ? what is it ?
• 234[01:13:11] <abrotman> I have no idea, the docs under Download say that's how you install it on Debina
• 235[01:13:52] <matu> replaced-url
• 236[01:13:58] <matu> it says it should be available, but it is not
• 237[01:14:00] <abrotman> I'd really suugest trying an RDP client already in Debian
• 238[01:14:02] <htonl> exit
• 239[01:14:03] <matu> so what's the point ?
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• 241[01:14:27] <abrotman> matu: replaced-url
• 242[01:14:52] <matu> removed oO
• 243[01:15:07] <matu> why?
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• 245[01:15:33] <matu> i did not find anything on this page but thx
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• 250[01:18:30] <matu> thank you
• 251[01:18:35] <matu> i will give freerdp a try
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• 260[01:22:01] <SpeakerToMeat> Sorry I forgot your name but for who was helping me, yeah efi doesn't recognize the disk :/ I'm trying again but I don't have much hope... and I don't have an efi bootale usb drive right now
• 261[01:22:08] <SpeakerToMeat> I will try void but it'll take an hour to download
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• 268[01:28:48] <matu> so boring to use
• 269[01:28:52] <matu> i regret Remmina
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• 278[01:32:23] <abrotman> regret?
• 279[01:32:32] <abrotman> matu: are you using Gnome?
• 280[01:32:35] <abrotman> Gnome3
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• 282[01:33:04] <matu> no
• 283[01:33:05] <matu> lxde
• 284[01:33:26] <matu> Remmina was so beautiful with its simple graphical interface
• 285[01:33:43] <matu> i had my list of servers it was cool, but i dont have it anymore in debian 9 and i miss it
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• 287[01:34:50] <abrotman> matu: thereare others
• 288[01:35:02] <matu> like what ?
• 289[01:35:31] <abrotman> xrdp, rdesktop, vinagre (last one is meant for Gnome, but might be fine on LXDE)
• 290[01:35:33] <matu> xfreerdp is a command line tool, and xfreerdp-x11 does not provide any bin that would launch a graphical interface i guess
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• 294[01:38:21] <matu> thank you, i will use vinagre
• 295[01:38:26] <matu> thanks a lot
• 296[01:38:31] <matu> for your answers and for your help
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• 331[01:55:55] <Apteryx> matu: Remmina is supposed to make a come back on Stretch at some point, it was removed because they wanted to include only the new version to be released soon (TM).
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• 334[01:57:11] <Apteryx> I even installed it from some repo I found on a blog, and it worked well, except for the full screen bug that all GTK3+ based RDP tools seem to have (the hidable top bar menu won't become visible when in fullscreen).
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• 336[01:59:32] <Apteryx> I installed a custom kernel (the regular ones won't support my GPU). Am I safe against regular kernel upgrades by simply doing "sudo apt-mark hold linux-image-amd64" ?
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• 338[02:00:04] <Apteryx> I would think yes, but would like confirmation that my command/package choice is alright.
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• 340[02:00:41] <abrotman> did you create a debian package for your kernel?
• 341[02:01:06] <Apteryx> abrotman: yes, using 'make deb-pkg'. Cool makefile!
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• 343[02:01:22] <abrotman> Apteryx: realistically, you could just remove the metapackage
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• 346[02:02:10] <Apteryx> abrotman: Hmm wouldn't many things get uninstalled that way?
• 347[02:02:15] <abrotman> test it
• 348[02:02:21] <Apteryx> Will do, thanks.
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• 350[02:03:01] <Apteryx> Done. Only linux-image-amd64 was removed! Great tip!
• 351[02:03:29] <abrotman> it will still attempt to do upgrades to the version you have installed, you only removed the metapackage
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• 354[02:03:42] <Apteryx> And I've pinned the custom kernel I've installed with apt-mark hold linux-kernel-4.14..., but that's probably unnecessary.
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• 357[02:04:33] <abrotman> dpkg: tell Apteryx about kernel abi
• 358[02:04:38] <Apteryx> Hehe, I'm curious as to when Debian stable will get an upgrade passed 4.14 for the kernel :)
• 359[02:04:42] <abrotman> so, if oyu have any kernel pakage installed, it may get updates
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• 362[02:05:04] <abrotman> Apteryx: it won't, but it may get one via stretch-backports (once that versoin reaches testing/unstable)
• 363[02:05:39] <Apteryx> OK. So marking my kernel as "hold" should help against that, correct?
• 364[02:06:45] <abrotman> no
• 365[02:07:16] <Apteryx> Ah, you mean it will update the rest of the ecosystem which might break because of abi change?
• 366[02:07:26] <abrotman> no...
• 367[02:07:37] <Apteryx> ehh. Sorry I'm not getting it.
• 368[02:08:26] <abrotman> s'ok
• 369[02:08:31] <abrotman> just don't be surprised when you see kernel updates
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• 371[02:08:41] <cluelessperson> petn-randall: apollo13 It turns out that samba only finds interfaces that have broadcasting enabled, openvpn TUN are layer3 only, TAP is layer2 with broadcasting, that fixed it
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• 373[02:09:44] <Apteryx> ok
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• 391[02:21:11] <n4dir> i got a broadcom wireless chip, bcm 4313. Do i use the "wl" driver ? I recall there were several options. thanks
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• 393[02:21:40] <abrotman> n4dir: /msg dpkg bcm4313
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• 396[02:22:09] <n4dir> k, thanks
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• 398[02:22:51] <n4dir> looks like "wl" ain't wrong. will give it a try
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• 405[02:27:49] <Apteryx> Has anyone seen the "Failed to start Raise network interfaces" when booting?
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• 407[02:28:56] <ross`> how do I reinstall a package including deleting configuration and installing default configuration/
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• 409[02:30:36] <Lady_Aleena> Grammatical question, do the releases of Debian have initial upper or lower cased letter?
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• 411[02:31:28] <Lady_Aleena> Wheezy or wheezy, Jessie or jessie, and Stretch or stretch?
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• 413[02:31:49] <Sveta> Stretch, according to replaced-url
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• 415[02:33:15] <bliv> my /etc/os-release has Debian GNU/Linux 9 (stretch)
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• 417[02:33:58] <Lady_Aleena> That confuses things.
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• 425[02:40:38] <zifleblast> Hello I have a Hello I have a question about X11 Forwarding. Does anyone know how I can tunnel devices like a camera that is connected on the client machine to the server machine?
• 426[02:40:38] <zifleblast> about X11 Forwarding. Does anyone know how I can tunnel devices like a camera that is connected on the client machine to the server machine?
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• 428[02:41:26] <lowspecs> webrtc videoconference is a very popular alternative to skype. however, webrtc demands a modern computer. when it comes to non HD videoconferences what free as in freedom options are there for those who cannnot replace their Pentium IV laptops?
• 429[02:42:12] <abrotman> your PIV laptop should be more than adequate
• 430[02:42:21] <lowspecs> no it is not
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• 432[02:42:51] <lowspecs> are you currently using a Pentium IV to hold videoconferences?
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• 437[02:44:47] <dTal> ross`: apt-get purge <pkg>, then reinstall
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• 441[02:45:14] <dTal> possibly dpkg-reconfigure can reset your configuration without uninstalling
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• 444[02:45:57] <abrotman> dpkg: tell ross` about confnew
• 445[02:46:15] <dTal> also possibly you should use something other than apt-get because Debian has 3-5 fricken package manager frontends with subtle differences and who knows how they interact
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• 448[02:47:08] <lowspecs> all popular videoconference websites like gruveo, jitsi.meet and the like do not have a non hd option. webrtc videoconferences are painfully jerky on a low spec laptop like a Pentium IV. We are talking laptop specs here not bandwith. Bandwith is not the issue here.
• 449[02:47:44] <dTal> lowspecs: type /nick highspecs
• 450[02:47:45] <Sveta> why does webrtc require a modern computer? it's just the same thing, audio and video ...
• 451[02:48:01] <abrotman> lowspecs: right, but if you set low bandwidth, it should use fewer resources?
• 452[02:49:06] <lowspecs> can anyone recommend me a free as in fredom option to webrtc that does demand so much from my old laptop?
• 453[02:49:29] <lowspecs> Sveta, try gruveo with a Pentium IV
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• 456[02:49:49] <abrotman> lowspecs: there is a #webrtc
• 457[02:49:59] <Sveta> lowspecs: need audio chat, or also video too?
• 458[02:50:09] <lowspecs> abrotman, i already asked there
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• 460[02:50:14] <Sveta> lowspecs: I don't have this hardware with me, would take a while to get
• 461[02:50:17] <ross`> dTal: um... thanks
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• 463[02:51:24] <lowspecs> Sveta, i need audio and video. videonconference= audio+video
• 464[02:51:57] <Sveta> lowspecs: does SIP have the same performance issues?
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• 469[02:52:30] <Lady_Aleena> I'm reading chapter 4 of the Upgrade manual, and in section 4.2 3rd-party packages are mentioned. I ran aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' and got the following: replaced-url
• 470[02:52:55] <abrotman> lowspecs: seems like a better place to ask .. no response?
• 471[02:52:59] <lowspecs> i have seen people holding videoconferences using skype on a Pentium IV but skype is NOT free as in freedom software
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• 473[02:53:18] <Sveta> lowspecs: also consider GNU Ring, it is a nice modern skype alternative
• 474[02:54:16] * Lady_Aleena giggles at section 4.1.2, she informs herself there will be an upgrade happening.
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• 476[02:55:13] <lowspecs> abrotman, you guessed right no response
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• 480[02:57:07] * abrotman found that whne he had a lower spec machine, web things were sometimes slow, and discovered that FF was at fault, especially Flash
• 481[02:57:18] <Sveta> great
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• 484[02:58:56] <ross`> halp, I did an rm -r /etc/dovecot /etc/exim4
• 485[02:59:19] <lowspecs> flash is not free and it is being phased out by webrtc
• 486[02:59:30] <ross`> The issue is it says it will recreate with apt-get -o DPkg::options::=--force-confmiss --reinstall install
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• 488[02:59:39] <ross`> but then it doesn't recreate the directory structure and errors
• 489[02:59:52] <ross`> I did dpkg --purge to remove them
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• 498[03:04:07] <ross`> nevermind
• 499[03:04:39] * Lady_Aleena sighs. Distribution upgrades are so confusing.
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• 501[03:07:34] <ross`> The default configuration of dovecot-imapd and exim4 have no trouble sending mail but for some reason can't receive it.
• 502[03:07:38] <ross`> I believe it's configured for maildir
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• 505[03:08:29] <ross`> I'm rather entirely sure this isn't a dns issue as there is an MX record and an A record matching with the correct server ip
• 506[03:08:43] <abrotman> ross`: the bot told you how to fix that
• 507[03:08:50] <abrotman> well, the conf file issue
• 508[03:08:55] <ross`> abrotman: yes, already done!
• 509[03:09:07] <ross`> I'm operating with the default configuration files now
• 510[03:09:13] <ross`> and I did another dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config
• 511[03:09:15] <abrotman> ross`: if they aren't receiving, the logs should tell you why
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• 513[03:10:47] <ross`> abrotman: yes, says relay not permitted.
• 514[03:11:08] <ross`> It doesn't offer any suggestions on how to fix that and google isn't helpful with the error provided in the log
• 515[03:11:09] <abrotman> ross`: I'm not an exim4 person, but typically there's a stanza that says a) which networks to relay for b) which domains to accept for
• 516[03:11:20] <ross`> ya
• 517[03:11:47] <ross`> I thought you didn't need to fill those in if you were the system receiving the mail and if the domain was in the domain list?
• 518[03:11:58] <ross`> does it also need to be listed as relay for all as well?
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• 520[03:12:20] <ross`> I listen on 0.0.0.0 and have primary and secondary domains
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• 522[03:12:34] <abrotman> see above, not an exim person :)
• 523[03:13:28] <abrotman> I could try to figure it out if oyu shared your conf files
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• 525[03:13:39] <abrotman> well, just the error logs, and the exim conf files I'd guess
• 526[03:14:33] <abrotman> ross`: what's the error you're getting?
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• 531[03:17:54] <ross`> abrotman: just relay not permitted.. maybe I do need to list the ip address
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• 533[03:19:09] <ross`> yay I got it working
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• 540[03:22:20] <botch> Hi ... I've actually got two questions if anyone might be able to help......
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• 542[03:23:49] <LeelooMinai_> Is there a channel where it would be ok to ask questions like "anyone knows an app that can..." (on debian/xdce)?
• 543[03:23:57] <abrotman> this one?
• 544[03:24:07] <abrotman> wtf is xdce?
• 545[03:24:11] <LeelooMinai_> xfce
• 546[03:24:14] <abrotman> oh
• 547[03:24:27] <LeelooMinai_> Cannot see the keyboard because the silly leds are dying:)
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• 549[03:25:16] <n4dir> i have a broadcom bcm4313. both, bot and wiki, tell me to use either "wl" or "brcmsmac". following the steps in the wiki, "ifconfig" still doesn't list the interface (ifconfig -a does, duh).
• 550[03:25:21] <n4dir> anything else i could do?
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• 553[03:25:46] <LeelooMinai_> So, ok, I am looking for something that would show memory usage of processes, but in some visual way (like disk usage analyzer) - i know about glancex, htop, etc, but I want to quickly judge the proportions.
• 554[03:26:24] <n4dir> there is a script called ps_mem.py ; perhaps that is what you are looking for. The list it gives is very clear, LeelooMinai_
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• 556[03:27:37] <abrotman> n4dir: did you reload the driver after installing firmware?
• 557[03:27:53] <LeelooMinai_> Hmm, looking at images - seems just text - I was hoping for some kind of bars at least per application.
• 558[03:27:53] <n4dir> abrotman: yes, i followed exactly the steps of the wiki
• 559[03:27:57] <n4dir> copy and paste
• 560[03:27:59] <abrotman> Leisn't there a memtop ?
• 561[03:28:33] <n4dir> i do know there are always problems (either with that chip or with those drivers).
• 562[03:28:44] <n4dir> well: that's what i was told. duh
• 563[03:28:55] <abrotman> yes, because Broadcom should burn in hell
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• 566[03:29:47] <n4dir> lol. Well: i got a dongle (called like that?), it does the job well, but i need to take care to not unplug and damage it.
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• 570[03:31:16] <LeelooMinai_> Hmm
• 571[03:31:55] <LeelooMinai_> So what is this channel focus anyways - Debian is a bit general
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• 573[03:33:01] <bazhang> LeelooMinai_, debian support, technical issues
• 574[03:33:19] <bazhang> chatter in #debian-offtopic LeelooMinai_
• 575[03:33:28] <LeelooMinai_> A, ok
• 576[03:33:43] <bazhang> np
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• 578[03:34:11] <n4dir> usually folks here will (more or less ) friendly tell you that there are channels better focused on your question (assuming it doesn't really fit here)
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• 580[03:35:39] <n4dir> rather more friendly, imho
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• 586[03:37:54] <SyCraXnxPW> hi
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• 595[03:41:50] <n4dir> LeelooMinai_: apt-cache search gives gmemusage, a short websearch shows images of how it looks like
• 596[03:41:57] <botch> ...my two questions were answered by a youtube.com Ubuntu video. Bye all :)
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• 599[03:42:35] <LeelooMinai_> n4dir: thx, looks promising
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• 601[03:43:14] <n4dir> loadmeter too. and gnome-system-monitor. perhaps even more (apt-cache search memory graph)
• 602[03:43:22] <n4dir> good luck :-)
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• 605[03:44:41] <abrotman> atop ?
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• 624[03:55:55] <LeelooMinai_> gmemusage works, but it ain't pretty:) replaced-url
• 625[03:56:17] <botch> I have a quick question, I installed Debian (using it now via tethered) on my laptop but I see no settings for connecting to my wifi...Is there not a default system thing to connect to wifi in Debian?
• 626[03:56:49] <botch> ...*disclaimer: I'm not that versed in terminal*
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• 630[03:58:16] <dvs> botch, the problem is not the system's networking. It's the firmware that is needed to run the adapter.
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• 634[03:59:48] <botch> I've already updated /ect/apt/sources.list with adding the "contrib non-free" but ... ?
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• 639[04:01:19] <botch> so ... to get on with my life, I would need to re-image this laptop from Debian Stretch back to Ubuntu?
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• 641[04:03:06] <dvs> botch, do you know what wifi chip your computer uses?
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• 648[04:04:52] <botch> I did the lspci | grep -i wireless and got 01:00.0 Network Controller: Intell Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 83)
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• 651[04:06:18] <botch> My internal (human brain) output is Industrial/speed metal frustration
• 652[04:06:47] <dvs> botch, I'd try replaced-url
• 653[04:07:38] <Arrowmaster> did you say you didnt install a DE and are just using command line?
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• 659[04:13:36] <botch> I did the "# apt-get update && apt-get install firmware-iwlwifi" and the '# modprobe -r iwlwifi ; modprobe iwlwifi' and it looks like settings show wifi.
• 660[04:14:10] <botch> I can definately say that I would not recommend Debian for new linux users but a little more advanced users.
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• 663[04:15:29] <botch> I do appreciate the help, thank you very much. Have a good night :)
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• 665[04:15:56] <abrotman> eh ..
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• 668[04:16:19] <abrotman> judd: versions firmware-iwlwifi
• 669[04:16:20] <judd> Package: firmware-iwlwifi on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3
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• 779[05:27:32] <Henry151> howdy #debian. So, so far I have not installed sudo onto my debian machine, and I have been using su - to switch to root to do things that require root privileges
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• 781[05:27:47] <tacocat> that's fine, what's the question?
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• 783[05:28:10] <Henry151> I want to make a bash alias to start openvpn. Is there a way to make this happen as root other than sudo? or a recommended way to do this in general?
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• 785[05:29:03] <Henry151> i.e. I'd like to type "vpn" at a bash prompt logged in as a user, and be prompted for my root password and have openvpn run as root. Alternatively, no password required, just be able to start openvpn from a bash prompt logged in as a user
• 786[05:29:15] <tacocat> su -c command works as well
• 787[05:30:47] <Henry151> tacocat: ok i'll play with that and try to get it, thank you
• 788[05:31:47] <tacocat> you're welcome :)
• 789[05:32:33] <Henry151> tacocat: so I'm doing something all wrong, maybe it will be easy for you to explain what
• 790[05:32:36] <Henry151> su -c cd /home/henry/pia && openvpn 'Switzerland.ovpn'
• 791[05:33:09] <Henry151> that tells me No passwd entry for user '/home/henry/pia'
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• 793[05:34:02] <tacocat> for stuff like cd i think you need a shell, su -c 'sh cd /home/henry/pia && openvpn Switzerland.ovpn'
• 794[05:34:07] <tacocat> er
• 795[05:34:13] <tacocat> for stuff like cd i think you need a shell, su -c 'sh -c cd /home/henry/pia && openvpn Switzerland.ovpn'
• 796[05:34:34] <tacocat> alternatively you may be able to just start openvpn directly with an absolute path to the conf file?
• 797[05:34:57] <Henry151> ah good thinking
• 798[05:35:03] <Henry151> I'm probably asking all the wrong questions
• 799[05:36:30] <Lady_Aleena> Hello again. So, for a distribution upgrade I need the following. 1. Close everything but a terminal emulator. 2. make sure all the files I want saved are backed up. 3. run update and upgrade. 4. run apt-get dist-upgrade.
• 800[05:36:34] <Henry151> when I go to the network-manager applet and drop down menu and click vpn connections>add vpn connection, I get "choose a connection type" but there are none, and the "create" button is greyed out, and it says "you may not have the correct vpn plugin installed".. I'm running xfce. Recommended vpn plugin to make it work nicely with the GUI?
• 801[05:36:38] <Lady_Aleena> Is the above list of actions correct?
• 802[05:37:08] <Lady_Aleena> Am I missing anything on the list?
• 803[05:37:16] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: that looks correct
• 804[05:37:19] <Henry151> Lady_Aleena: looks right to me
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• 806[05:37:48] <Lady_Aleena> tacocat and Henry151, nothing missing?
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• 808[05:38:28] <Henry151> I'm pretty new here :D but I would imagine that is all you need; I've done dist-upgrade before and that looks right
• 809[05:38:39] <Lady_Aleena> The reason I am asking and double and triple checking is the manual (Chapter 4) has a lot more than that.
• 810[05:38:42] <tacocat> changing your sources.list files ;)
• 811[05:38:53] <tacocat> Henry151: is network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed?
• 812[05:39:06] <Lady_Aleena> tacocat, before or after the dist-upgrade?
• 813[05:39:21] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: before apt-get update
• 814[05:39:25] <Henry151> tacocat: no. That the default option?
• 815[05:39:47] <tacocat> Henry151: that is the only gui openvpn plugin for network-manager
• 816[05:40:51] <Henry151> tacocat: ok. Awesome! I installed it now. Now, any way I can load these .ovpn files from there? I'm poking around but don't see an "import configuration" option
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• 818[05:41:20] <Henry151> oh now i see it
• 819[05:41:22] <Henry151> !doh
• 820[05:41:22] <dpkg> hmm... doh is what homer simpson says when sid crashes
• 821[05:41:30] <Lady_Aleena> 1. Close everything but a terminal emulator. 2. Back up files I don't want to lose. 3. Change sources.list lines from "jessie" to "stretch". 4. Run apt-get update. 5. Run apt-get dist-upgrade.
• 822[05:41:31] <saptech> Lady_Aleena, which versions are you upgrading?
• 823[05:41:36] <tacocat> "import a saved configuration", it's not exactly obvious :(
• 824[05:41:40] <Lady_Aleena> saptech, jessie to stretch.
• 825[05:42:15] <saptech> that last comment should do it
• 826[05:42:18] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: usually you do apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade
• 827[05:42:56] <tacocat> what you said earlier is correct
• 828[05:43:02] <saptech> right, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade and then dist-upgrade
• 829[05:43:07] <Henry151> tacocat: thanks for your help! :) I feel so much better having fixed it properly in gui instead of always starting it manually in the terminal
• 830[05:43:45] <Lady_Aleena> The apt-gets are all after I change sources.list from jessie to stretch, correct?
• 831[05:43:47] <tacocat> i use the same setup, yw :)
• 832[05:43:52] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: yes
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• 834[05:44:03] <saptech> yes
• 835[05:44:25] <Lady_Aleena> Any reboots I need to know about in between commands?
• 836[05:44:56] <tacocat> no
• 837[05:44:58] <saptech> you are already updated now?
• 838[05:45:04] <tacocat> well
• 839[05:45:17] <tacocat> some services may restart during the upgrade (it'll prompt you), but not the entire system
• 840[05:45:28] <tacocat> restarting while stuff is being installed is a bad idea for obvious reasons
• 841[05:45:31] <Henry151> hm. Now I get "the vpn connection failed because the vpn service failed to start"
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• 844[05:45:52] <Lady_Aleena> saptech, not yet.
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• 846[05:46:18] <tacocat> upgrading between releases is usually a lot less scarier than it seems
• 847[05:46:26] <saptech> upgrade jessie before changing sources.list
• 848[05:46:45] <Lady_Aleena> The big thing I need to know is what happens to the 3rd-party software I installed. Will they be eliminated?
• 849[05:47:00] <tacocat> depends on how you installed it
• 850[05:47:03] <saptech> good luck, I need to run some errands
• 851[05:47:07] <Lady_Aleena> I use a non-standard terminal emulator.
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• 853[05:47:15] <tacocat> if they're .deb's, apt will show anything that needs to be removed
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• 855[05:47:54] <tacocat> other stuff may or may not work depending on how they deal with libraries
• 856[05:48:00] <Lady_Aleena> I ran aptitude search '~i(!~ODebian)' and got the following: replaced-url
• 857[05:48:20] <tacocat> i don't have a definitive answer, each package is different
• 858[05:48:23] <Lady_Aleena> Will I still have org.jessies.terminator after the dist-upgrade?
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• 860[05:48:39] <Lady_Aleena> What do I need to check before upgrading.
• 861[05:48:39] <tacocat> if apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't say it's being removed, it isn't being removed..
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• 863[05:49:20] <tacocat> that's a very broad question
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• 865[05:49:48] <Lady_Aleena> What do I need to check to make sure org.jessies.terminator will not be eliminated before running dist-upgrade?
• 866[05:49:55] <Henry151> so, starting the vpn with "openvpn 'Switzerland.ovpn'" as root from within the /home/pia/ directory works. But starting it from the gui it errors
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• 868[05:50:36] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: if apt-get dist-upgrade doesn't say that the package will be removed, it won't be automatically removed
• 869[05:50:58] <Lady_Aleena> tacocat, but I won't know until I run dist-upgrade then. That's sad.
• 870[05:51:14] <Henry151> isn't there a "dry-run" option?
• 871[05:51:20] <tacocat> Henry151: maybe check ~/.xsession-errors or /var/log ?
• 872[05:51:32] <tacocat> Lady_Aleena: when you run apt-get dist-upgrade it will prompt you unless you use -y
• 873[05:51:37] <tacocat> all upgrade procedures do that
• 874[05:52:00] <saptech> Lady_Aleena, when you do the apt-get dist-upgrade, it will show everything it will upgrade, add & remove and ask you if you want to continue. provided you don't have apt-get automagically answer Yes
• 875[05:52:03] <jmcnaught> apt-get does have -s, and also asks you before proceeding. Also if you're following the instructions in the release notes then you're running it inside a GNU screen session
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• 877[05:53:01] <saptech> copy dist-upgrade output and paste it into a text editor and look it over before proceeding
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• 879[05:53:05] <Lady_Aleena> jmcnaught, I don't know how to run it outside of a gui.
• 880[05:53:41] <saptech> there is no hurry to do it
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• 882[05:54:35] <Henry151> tacocat: found it; I had to specify the port in a separate dialog box, the .ovpn file had filled it in after a colon instead of in a separate box
• 883[05:54:47] <tacocat> oh ok
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• 887[05:56:36] <Lady_Aleena> Anything in my current sources.list (replaced-url
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• 889[05:57:04] <Lady_Aleena> And is it basically find jessie and replace it with stretch?
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• 895[06:00:13] <Lady_Aleena> What is the difference between deb and deb-src?
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• 897[06:00:33] <mandeep> does the mozilla source still exist?
• 898[06:00:47] <mandeep> i thought they deprecated it due to issues with rust
• 899[06:00:55] <Lady_Aleena> mandeep, I commented the line out.
• 900[06:01:05] <mandeep> whoops
• 901[06:01:12] <Lady_Aleena> mandeep, no problem.
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• 906[06:05:04] <Lady_Aleena> Modified sources.list for stretch: replaced-url
• 907[06:05:22] <Lady_Aleena> Also added back in the deb-src lines.
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• 910[06:07:44] <Lady_Aleena> I don't get why the change is required in sources.list and apt-get update and apt-get upgrade before the apt-get dist-upgrade.
• 911[06:08:13] <Lady_Aleena> Shouldn't the dist get upgraded first before the programs?
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• 959[06:58:43] <pie3> anyone used imap/thunderbird server/client?
• 960[06:58:53] <pie3> i am able to get messages in Maildir
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• 962[06:59:00] <pie3> but not able to find/visible in INBOX
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• 974[07:07:39] <change> hello
• 975[07:07:53] <somiaj> hi
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• 977[07:08:11] <change> >(
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• 979[07:08:23] <change> >)
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• 981[07:08:50] <somiaj> do you have a debian support question?
• 982[07:09:15] <change> im using raspbian
• 983[07:09:30] <somiaj> in that case, if you need support you should use raspbian's support network.
• 984[07:09:33] <somiaj> !raspbian
• 985[07:09:33] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 986[07:09:43] <somiaj> if you are looking for information about freenode network, /j #freenode
• 987[07:09:53] <change> ok,. sorry
• 988[07:10:16] <somiaj> there are also channels for more chantting on freenode too.
• 989[07:10:42] <change> do you understand spanish_
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• 991[07:10:55] <iflema> change: your question maybe valid but may also be offtopic and thats a little "unfair" if you keep at it...
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• 993[07:11:00] <somiaj> I don't, there are spanish channels, but I only know of ones for debian support. #freenode may be helpful.
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• 995[07:11:21] <change> ok, thank you, goodbye
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• 1006[07:16:33] <darxmurf> hi all
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• 1068[08:11:57] <veek> is the debian whois tool broken? for a lot of the domains i get no worthwhile info and have to use webtools
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• 1070[08:13:21] <ipimprussiangirl> veek, bo
• 1071[08:13:23] <ipimprussiangirl> *no
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• 1074[08:13:49] <ipimprussiangirl> your not using it right, you're attempting to access it via an unauthorized bot
• 1075[08:14:01] <ipimprussiangirl> The attempt has been forwarded to the Russian government
• 1076[08:14:22] <ipimprussiangirl> Consider yourself banned from the interner. thank you, and have a nice day.
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• 1082[08:16:08] <veek> whois dunandmun.com gives me the registrar and dns but replaced-url
• 1083[08:16:40] <veek> could this be a firewall problem? i'm allowing 43 tcp outbound
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• 1088[08:20:36] <ipimprussiangirl> veek: are you seeing squiggly lines?
• 1089[08:21:26] <ipimprussiangirl> They should be swirly lines, if they are sraight and squiggly then the CIA put something in your shrooms, induce vomiting or you will become their slave
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• 1092[08:21:48] <ipimprussiangirl> I recommend switching to bath salts, those are immune to mind control drugs
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• 1094[08:22:13] <veek> ipimprussiangirl, dude you're in singapore.. everyone can see your ISP IP.. jus sayin.. no need to try and convince us your a gurl.. most ppl simply don't care about gender on irc
• 1095[08:23:31] <veek> eg.. whois 139.59.160.13 wprls just fine but domain name generally gives me nothing worthwhile
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• 1109[08:33:10] <ipimprussiangirl> veek: im not a fucking girl and i did not try to convince you
• 1110[08:33:15] <ipimprussiangirl> i said i pimp russian girls
• 1111[08:33:24] <ipimprussiangirl> dont you know what pimp means?
• 1112[08:33:28] <ipimprussiangirl> you moose twit
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• 1115[08:33:59] *** ipimprussiangirl was kicked by somiaj (you should know better)
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• 1121[08:39:24] <LeelooMinai> Any idea how to make a service on Stretch not-auto-start-on-boot?
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• 1123[08:39:52] <towo^work> systemctl disable service?
• 1124[08:40:11] <LeelooMinai> So disable/enable to control this?
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• 1127[08:40:21] <towo^work> sure
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• 1130[08:40:32] <LeelooMinai> Ok, thx
• 1131[08:41:34] <somiaj> LeelooMinai: if the service is being triggered by a hook, there is also mask and unmask to triger things
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• 1133[08:41:59] <somiaj> masking a service will make it not run no matter what.
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• 1138[08:47:30] <LeelooMinai> Hmm, used disable but the status shows inactive (dead). There's also "vendor preset: enabled". So, how would I know that it was disabled?
• 1139[08:47:59] <LeelooMinai> I was expecting status: disabled I guess, is what I am saying.
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• 1145[08:49:54] <LeelooMinai> Found "is-enabled" option though.
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• 1147[08:51:39] <quietone> updated my laptop to stretch and the LXC containers to rebuild with stretch. Now the containers can't connect, RTNETLINK answers: Network is unreachable
• 1148[08:51:57] <quietone> ifup: failed to bring up eth0
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• 1154[08:55:01] <LeelooMinai> Found list-unit-files option too: it shows what is disabled and enabled
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• 1158[08:56:52] <LeelooMinai> But the service is listed as "generated" - not 100% sure what this is about.
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• 1168[08:59:44] <LeelooMinai> Is "generated" for some legacy sysv ones?
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• 1194[09:16:08] <shtrb> Is there an apt-file interface for dpkg ?
• 1195[09:17:01] <shtrb> dpkg upnpc is provided by miniupnpc (remember that)
• 1196[09:17:02] <dpkg> shtrb: okay
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• 1201[09:21:30] <hexhaxtron> I'm providing SSH to many people. How can restrict and confine all users to their home directories but having access to all available programs?
• 1202[09:22:10] <pie3> hexhaxtron: can you provide to me?
• 1203[09:22:16] <hexhaxtron> pie3: I can. :)
• 1204[09:22:16] <pie3> i would like to see how it works
• 1205[09:22:20] <pie3> thanks
• 1206[09:22:23] <hexhaxtron> pie3: just choose an username.
• 1207[09:22:26] <pie3> pie
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• 1209[09:22:39] <socomm> hexhaxtron: chroot
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• 1211[09:23:17] <pie3> socomm: can all programs be accessed within chroot jail?
• 1212[09:23:46] <socomm> pie3: with some work
• 1213[09:23:53] <pie3> ok
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• 1216[09:25:14] <socomm> hackeron: Whats the purpose of providing these users access to ssh?
• 1217[09:25:37] <hexhaxtron> socomm: you mean me?
• 1218[09:25:51] <socomm> yes
• 1219[09:26:03] <hexhaxtron> To learn sysadmin and earn some money with donations.
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• 1221[09:26:51] <socomm> Hmm, wouldn't the user need access to the rest of the FS?
• 1222[09:26:56] <veek> hexhaxtron, cyberspace.org shell you should look at what they did
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• 1227[09:30:10] <shtrb> hexhaxtron , if you don't care about disk space (and have good dudp ) you can use chroot/UML
• 1228[09:30:41] <shtrb> He does have a nice service (if your ISP isn't crazy like mine )
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• 1247[09:51:39] <anoteng> Hello, I maintain a package written with freepascal/lazarus, and it FTFS on some archs due to missing targets for that arch. I do not have access to hw needed to test (in this case arm64), but afaict from the logs regenerating the makefile before clean (in override_dh_auto_clean) may correct this. I already regenerate the makefile in override_dh_auto_configure. Is there somewhere I could test this without uploading a new package to
• 1248[09:51:40] <anoteng> Debian? Or would uploading to experimental be an option?
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• 1255[09:55:14] <shtrb> Can anyone check if they can get the ssh header from thunix.org (while outside the EU) ? (telnet thunix.org 22 )
• 1256[09:55:40] <shtrb> can anyone please check
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• 1262[09:57:24] <anoteng> shtrb, SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.4p1 Debian-10+deb9u1
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• 1264[09:57:52] <anoteng> sorry, outside EU, but still in Europe...
• 1265[09:58:26] <shtrb> thanks for the correction (I should have said outside Europe )
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• 1294[10:22:47] <bolt> shtrb: just got it from the US
• 1295[10:23:06] <bolt> definitely outside of europe :)
• 1296[10:23:13] <shtrb> thanks
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• 1330[10:40:13] <dionysus69> hey
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• 1333[10:41:02] <dionysus69> can you please recommend what's a good way to execute a looping script which takes screenshots every minute? but I want to be able to toggle it without perhaps having a terminal window dedicated to it?
• 1334[10:41:38] <dionysus69> without building some complex gui. is there a way ? :S the script is one liner which just takes a screenshot per x seconds, it's on while loop
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• 1340[10:44:36] <shtrb> dionysus69 , depending on the need you can just read from framebuffer (or call your favorite screen grabbing app ) and all that in "screen"
• 1341[10:45:03] <bezaban> dionysus69: many options really. run in tmux or background. As a cron or a service. Can check an environment variable or file if it wants to run or not
• 1342[10:45:04] <shtrb> but access for framebuffer needs eleveted permissions
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• 1344[10:45:12] <dionysus69> I am noob, shtrb :D I didnt understand anything of that :P
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• 1347[10:45:55] <dionysus69> is it too complicated to make a system tray? with boolean checkbox
• 1348[10:45:57] <shtrb> dintsus69 , in that case use a script and run it in tmux/screen / whatever and it can execute your app in a loop
• 1349[10:46:02] <dionysus69> if it's checked script runs if not it doesnt
• 1350[10:46:07] <dionysus69> can you help me make that ? :D
• 1351[10:46:16] <shtrb> having as a job will have different flow
• 1352[10:46:23] <pie3> any irssi user?
• 1353[10:46:33] <dionysus69> ok I will take a look at tmux/screen solution
• 1354[10:46:37] <dionysus69> I dont know what's that atm
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• 1356[10:47:14] <shtrb> do you know what DE you will be using ?
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• 1358[10:48:48] <shtrb> you can install scrot and run scrot filename_$someit.png
• 1359[10:48:58] <shtrb> in a systemd timer / cron job
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• 1363[10:51:02] <dionysus69> shtrb: can you help me make a systemd non-root service?
• 1364[10:51:11] <dionysus69> that would just run a bash file ?
• 1365[10:51:30] <dionysus69> then I could use a simple bash file to systemctl start/stop someTimerJob
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• 1367[10:52:06] <dionysus69> thing is I need to make it fast, no time to dive into systemd stuff it's pretty much a separate profession as I look at it
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• 1370[10:53:20] <dionysus69> + I am using imagemagick instead of scrot, does same I guess
• 1371[10:53:39] <darxmurf> I have some issues with missing folders when I connect a CIFS share using vers=2.x or vers=3.0
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• 1373[10:54:02] <darxmurf> shared are on windows 10 machines
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• 1376[10:54:10] <shtrb> dionysus69 , in that case use what you know (bash / loop etc )
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• 1378[10:54:15] <darxmurf> everything is visible using the base version vers=1.0
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• 1381[10:54:45] <darxmurf> but for security purpose I disabled the 1.0 version of the protocol on windows machines and now I can't see all the folders from my backup server
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• 1384[10:55:10] <shtrb> dionysus69 , as for the screenshot app choose whatever you are most comfortable with
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• 1393[10:57:53] <dionysus69> shtrb: ye, imagimagick seems to be more supported, and more widespread, the only reason I picked it up. I have come accross scrot in my research though :)
• 1394[10:58:20] <dionysus69> but if you know and if you can shoot me an example of how to make a simple systemd service, would be great
• 1395[10:58:28] <dionysus69> I need to learn it anyway if not for this task
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• 1399[10:59:15] <shtrb> dpkg tell dionysus69 about systemd service files
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• 1424[11:09:19] <shtrb> but for the systray ask in your favorite DE channel (#kde #gnome etc)
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• 1434[11:13:08] <dionysus69> ok ok :)
• 1435[11:13:13] <dionysus69> gnome xD
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• 1439[11:15:14] <darxmurf> replaced-url
• 1440[11:15:24] <darxmurf> if you have any tricks to correct that ?
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• 1458[11:23:35] <shtrb> darxmurf , did you enable hide files ?
• 1459[11:23:48] <shtrb> like hide spcial files = yes in smb.conf ?
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• 1461[11:24:13] <shtrb> *special files / unreadable / unwritable etc
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• 1471[11:28:05] <kjblack> IDENTIFY
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• 1482[11:32:14] <darxmurf> shtrb: the share is on a windows machine
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• 1486[11:34:12] <shtrb> do you get the same result if you use smbclient ?
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• 1489[11:35:06] <darxmurf> did not test that
• 1490[11:35:09] <darxmurf> I'll have a look
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• 1516[12:01:32] <pie3> <pie3> what is meaning of $ screen -x irc1
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• 1523[12:03:25] <celyr> pie3, to create a screen with a name
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• 1525[12:03:28] <shtrb> attach to session irc1
• 1526[12:03:40] <celyr> shtrb, isn't that screen -r irc1 ?
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• 1529[12:04:34] <shtrb> no , -x ask for a named screen name , -r is id
• 1530[12:04:44] <shtrb> is for id (pid/ owner etc)
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• 1535[12:05:54] <celyr> well
• 1536[12:06:03] <celyr> man doesn't acreen -x is just multi screen attach
• 1537[12:06:41] <shtrb> man is always correct
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• 1539[12:07:01] <celyr> doesn't agree*
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• 1541[12:07:25] <shtrb> the correct answer would have been -x "Attach to a not detached screen session."
• 1542[12:08:01] <pingfloyd> a man is not always correct
• 1543[12:08:44] <shtrb> but 'man' is always correct :)
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• 1556[12:12:50] <wondiws> hello, is it possible to reconfigure mysql-server and get that tui interface for the password again?
• 1557[12:13:13] <wondiws> I'm creating a package myself, and want such a setup
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• 1559[12:13:28] <wondiws> is this handled by debconf by any chance?
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• 1562[12:16:52] <bezaban> wondiws: try sudo dpkg-reconfigure mysql
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• 1568[12:17:57] <gurditsbedi> when installing this package `git-man` I m getting Hash Mismatch error. Any idea about this problem
• 1569[12:18:05] <gurditsbedi> This package is mandatory for `git`
• 1570[12:18:19] <gurditsbedi> This is happening only for this package
• 1571[12:18:19] <wondiws> bezaban, I didn't get this interface, I just get a long list of settings that were set by dpkg
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• 1605[12:28:34] <gurditsbedi> Anyone having idea about this problem - when installing this package `git-man` I m getting Hash Mismatch error. Any idea about this problem
• 1606[12:28:36] <gurditsbedi> This package is mandatory for `git`
• 1607[12:28:38] <gurditsbedi> This is happening only for this package
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• 1609[12:28:55] <gurditsbedi> I tried sudo apt update, upgrade and clean
• 1610[12:28:59] <gurditsbedi> but still bot working
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• 1612[12:29:03] <gurditsbedi> *not working
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• 1641[12:48:38] <forcerecon> morning debian
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• 1644[12:49:18] <darxmurf> afternoon here :-)
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• 1663[12:59:31] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
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• 1666[13:02:09] <darxmurf> hmmm with smbclient, I can see all the folders
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• 1680[13:07:34] <dionysus69> just thought of a scenario
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• 1682[13:07:52] <wondiws> is it considered to make a package where there's a configuration file in /etc that is in XML format?
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• 1684[13:08:28] <dionysus69> if someone had an access to my computer and changed some bash file to rm -rf /home/user/*, that would be a pretty bad damage, is there ways to defend against? like not allow bash files to rm -r ?
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• 1688[13:10:15] <darxmurf> or don't let other ppl to access your computer :-)
• 1689[13:10:43] <darxmurf> and have protected daily backups :-)
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• 1691[13:11:13] <darxmurf> and by the way, there is many other way to destroy files without using rm :-)
• 1692[13:11:56] <dionysus69> like ? :D
• 1693[13:11:56] <jolt> dionysus69: It's almost impossible to protect people from deliberate sabotage. You can at least add an alias to use -i for all commands like copy, rm etc via bashrc
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• 1695[13:12:13] <jolt> but they can always be overridden if someone has enough knowledge
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• 1697[13:12:45] <dionysus69> what do you mean by adding alias to use -i ?
• 1698[13:12:52] <dionysus69> so they cant just run rm without rm -i?
• 1699[13:13:03] <bezaban> dionysus69: locking your screen and overseeing other people on your account is the protection vs that
• 1700[13:13:17] <jolt> dionysus69: No, it would only help with defaults
• 1701[13:13:30] <dionysus69> ye ye I know haha, just had a thought, maybe theres a better way someone thought of before :p
• 1702[13:13:31] <jolt> dionysus69: or you can remove the rm binary and replace it with another file that does something with checks
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• 1704[13:13:43] <jolt> dionysus69: but then I could use dd to overwrite the content instead etc
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• 1707[13:13:54] <bezaban> or shell builtins
• 1708[13:14:04] <darxmurf> and then the guy who will kill your files will jus smash your harddisk with a hamer...
• 1709[13:14:21] <FinalX> my zsh only comes with confirmation when I'm trying to rm *, then asks if I really want to erase everything in that dir
• 1710[13:14:23] <jolt> darxmurf: that escalated quickly! :D
• 1711[13:14:30] <darxmurf> yep
• 1712[13:14:32] <darxmurf> ^^
• 1713[13:14:45] <dionysus69> ok anyways, theres not really any threat of that for me, no one knows what bash is in 10km of me probably
• 1714[13:14:56] <FinalX> I'm also quite happy with ZFS for everything, atomic snapshots ftw.
• 1715[13:15:16] <dionysus69> zfs on a personal pc?
• 1716[13:15:22] <FinalX> yup
• 1717[13:15:27] <FinalX> both on laptop and server :)
• 1718[13:15:35] <darxmurf> dionysus69: so, why would yomebody kill your files ?
• 1719[13:15:45] <FinalX> doesn't even have to be ZFS, there's also btrfs and lvm that do snapshots..
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• 1721[13:16:02] <darxmurf> or a remote daily backup of your files
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• 1723[13:16:56] <jolt> Yeah, backups is the way to go in that case. Or have a pc with read-only file system (like a live cd)
• 1724[13:17:13] <pie3> how to save html file into a single file?
• 1725[13:17:17] <pie3> webpage
• 1726[13:17:29] <pie3> how do you save?
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• 1728[13:17:52] <dionysus69> mm pie3 just create index.html
• 1729[13:17:53] <FinalX> one does not exclude the other really
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• 1731[13:18:27] <vlt> pie3: Have you written an HTML file or do you want to download one?
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• 1733[13:18:36] <dionysus69> can someone help me create a nice backup script? that does incremental backups vs full
• 1734[13:18:52] <dionysus69> rsync can do it but it has so many flags, I never got to start working on building it
• 1735[13:18:53] <sevaho> Use rsync
• 1736[13:18:56] <pie3> save/donwoad web page vlt dionysus69
• 1737[13:18:57] <jolt> dionysus69: rsnapshot
• 1738[13:19:00] <dionysus69> if someone has ready script, please share
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• 1740[13:19:08] * FinalX also uses zfs for that
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• 1742[13:19:12] <FinalX> send over incremental snapshots :)
• 1743[13:19:35] <dionysus69> not really snapshots but just backups of dirs and files
• 1744[13:19:54] <dionysus69> with index or something, so it knows quickly without rescan what files changed and which not
• 1745[13:19:58] <vlt> dionysus69: I use rdiff-backup for file system based ("backwards" incremental) backups and a tool called shasplit.py for spave efficient block device backups.
• 1746[13:20:28] <darxmurf> dionysus69: rsnapshot
• 1747[13:20:31] <dionysus69> what's a block device backup?
• 1748[13:20:37] <vlt> pie3: Have a look at wget.
• 1749[13:20:40] <sevaho> So I turned a laptop into a homeserver and removed the screen but in powertop I see the kernel is still loading backlight, is there a way to blacklist the video while I can still ssh to it?
• 1750[13:21:12] <darxmurf> dionysus69: or you can have a look here: replaced-url
• 1751[13:21:23] <vlt> dionysus69: A copy of a whole block device. The shasplit.py script writes only changed blocks the time it runs.
• 1752[13:21:50] <vlt> dionysus69: *next time
• 1753[13:21:59] <dionysus69> thats more for like servers right
• 1754[13:22:02] <jelly> dionysus69: there's a dozen ready-made rsync wrappers, like rsnapshot or dirvish
• 1755[13:22:48] <dionysus69> ok ok I ll settle with rsnapshot i guess
• 1756[13:22:59] <dionysus69> thats most famous I think :D
• 1757[13:23:06] <dionysus69> but I didnt remember it
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• 1761[13:24:12] <pie3> i found unmht for firefox
• 1762[13:25:01] <|N|> where are the ca certificates kept in debian?
• 1763[13:26:02] <sevaho> /etc/ssl/certs
• 1764[13:26:09] <|N|> thnx
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• 1766[13:27:14] <darxmurf> by the way, any idea why some folders are not visible when I mount.cifs a windows share with -o vers=3.0 ?
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• 1768[13:27:26] <darxmurf> or vers=2.x
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• 1806[13:44:16] <BCMM> is Vim brokeon on Sid right now?
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• 1813[13:51:35] <jelly> you might not get a lot of sid-related answers here, BCMM, also try
• 1814[13:51:38] <jelly> !debian-next
• 1815[13:51:38] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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• 1817[13:53:31] <BCMM> jelly: thanks!
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• 1822[13:58:18] <dionysus69> gnome ?
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• 1843[14:09:44] <dionysus69> ok libnotify-bin package was a dependecy
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• 1859[14:16:37] <CruSheRz1251> +ovhbybass 79.143.186.104 9987 120 2
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• 1862[14:16:59] <CruSheRz1251> help
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• 1865[14:18:07] <CruSheRz1251> +ovhbypass 79.143.186.104 9987 120 2
• 1866[14:18:18] <CruSheRz1251> +ovhbypass 79.143.186.104 9987 200 2
• 1867[14:18:34] <crazyb0y> CruSheRz1251: ?
• 1868[14:18:54] <CruSheRz1251> ?
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• 1871[14:19:10] <CruSheRz1251> how ?
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• 1874[14:19:26] <darxmurf> maybe if you ask the question...
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• 1876[14:19:37] <CruSheRz1251> how can i ddos ?
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• 1880[14:22:41] <crazyb0y> CruSheRz1251: hehe =)
• 1881[14:22:42] <darxmurf> the best way is to buy 5x48 ports switchs, add 5x48 network ports on your computer and run
• 1882[14:23:01] <darxmurf> shred /dev/sda
• 1883[14:23:04] <crazyb0y> CruSheRz1251: try me , when you are ready =)
• 1884[14:23:06] <dTal> CruSheRz1251: there's a good channel for that sort of thing on #0
• 1885[14:23:32] <dTal> they might be able to help you more
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• 1887[14:23:39] <darxmurf> you can try to run shred /dev/sda now to see what's the result
• 1888[14:23:44] <CruSheRz1251> hmmm
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• 1890[14:23:48] <darxmurf> from root of course, you need admin rights for that
• 1891[14:23:53] <CruSheRz1251> how ? :D
• 1892[14:24:14] <crazyb0y> CruSheRz1251: how can i earn 1 billion $ ?
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• 1894[14:24:40] <CruSheRz1251> ask you friends you will get 3 billon hit
• 1895[14:24:58] <crazyb0y> CruSheRz1251: now you got an answer for your question =)
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• 1897[14:25:12] <CruSheRz1251> Okay?
• 1898[14:25:18] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o babilen
• 1899[14:25:19] *** babilen sets mode: +q *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.45.247.171.221
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• 1902[14:25:32] <darxmurf> CruSheRz1251: by the way, the key combin. ALT+F4 will send you some tips on IRC chan
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• 1904[14:25:42] <babilen> Lets move on
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• 1906[14:26:06] <crazyb0y> =)
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• 1914[14:28:12] <darxmurf> he left ?
• 1915[14:28:24] <darxmurf> I disabled the join/part messages :D
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• 1920[14:29:53] * jelly slow
• 1921[14:29:57] <dTal> sad he didn't take the #0 bait
• 1922[14:30:05] <babilen> darxmurf, crazyb0y: If there is a problem please just call operators with "dpkg: ops $REASON" rather than inciting further spam or providing potentially hazardous "funny" commands that might be tried by innocent bystanders
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• 1924[14:30:47] <dTal> suspect he was on his guard from "shred /dev/sda" etc
• 1925[14:31:23] <crazyb0y> babilen: ok sir, sorry for the spam, next time i will know what to do, thanks
• 1926[14:31:38] <babilen> cheers
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• 1928[14:32:03] <crazyb0y> babilen: is this command can be accessed via /msg or i have to type it here in the chan?
• 1929[14:33:03] <babilen> It would be used in the channel
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• 1931[14:33:17] <crazyb0y> babilen: ok thanks
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• 1934[14:33:37] <ahmed751995> excuse me , is there a way to make call between pidgin and kopete
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• 1937[14:34:43] <darxmurf> babilen: okay sorry.
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• 1960[14:48:51] <Apteryx> I could get rid of the "Failed to Raise networking interfaces" at boot.
• 1961[14:49:14] <Apteryx> Just comment out the "source interfaces.d/*" line in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 1963[14:50:09] <Apteryx> It was caused by ifup trying to bring up eth0, which is defined in /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup, but this interface name doesn't exist anymore (it's now named enp0s8 on my system).
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• 1977[14:57:44] <BluesKaj> Apteryx, welcome to systemd naming convention replaces eth0 with enp0s8
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• 1981[14:58:31] <BluesKaj> on your system, most others are different , mine is enp0s7
• 1982[14:58:51] <Apteryx> Oh, I have enp0s7 too. I'm plugged in the second ethernet port.
• 1983[14:58:59] <BluesKaj> ok
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• 1985[14:59:23] <SpeedyG> and if you don't like it, just add this line to /etc/defaults/grub : GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=”net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0″
• 1986[14:59:33] <Apteryx> BluesKaj: The default configuration on debian under /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup is wrong and will fail for all computers. Already saw the error on 3 different install.
• 1987[14:59:34] <BluesKaj> probly bsed on the nic mfg
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• 1989[14:59:41] <Apteryx> I think it comes from ifup, but I'm not sure.
• 1990[14:59:41] <SpeedyG> and run grub-mkconfig and update-grub :)
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• 1992[15:00:07] <Apteryx> It's no big deal, but it puts some red on the boot screen, which is not the best experience.
• 1993[15:00:12] <BluesKaj> SpeedyG, nope , not gonna do that
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• 1995[15:00:33] <SpeedyG> BluesKaj: only if you don't like it ;-)
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• 1997[15:01:00] <jelly> Apteryx: which debian release is this?
• 1998[15:01:39] <BluesKaj> Apteryx, replace eth0 with enp0s8 or 7 whichever one you have listed in the interfaces file or maybe both I'm not sure about multi nics on a sytem
• 1999[15:01:42] * jelly does not have a /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup on his stretch system at home (upgraded from jessie)
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• 2002[15:02:36] <BluesKaj> jelly, well I don't use NM so i need the interfaces file
• 2003[15:02:56] <Apteryx> BluesKaj: this by default causes Network Manager to stop managing those IIRC. I tried. It was not a nice solution. I just commented out the line sourcing /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup in /etc/network/interfaces. Not sure while this file exists in the first place.
• 2004[15:02:58] <jelly> BluesKaj: not talking about the interfaces file, /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup is not /etc/network/interfaces
• 2005[15:03:06] <SpeedyG> I dont have the setup file either..
• 2006[15:03:14] <Apteryx> jelly: Debian 9 (stretch) with Gnome
• 2007[15:03:24] <jelly> Apteryx: fresh install?
• 2008[15:03:32] <BluesKaj> jelly, ok
• 2009[15:03:34] <Apteryx> Yes. On 3 different machine, saw the problem thrice.
• 2010[15:03:38] <jelly> interesting
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• 2012[15:04:10] <q9> Have the default permissions for /var/log/syslog, /var/log/auth.log, etc changed recently? Or did I do something?
• 2013[15:04:26] <BluesKaj> Apeiron`, /etc/.network/interfaces settings are supposedly not looked at by network-manager afaik
• 2014[15:04:48] <BluesKaj> ooops Apteryx^
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• 2018[15:07:43] <BluesKaj> jelly, I don't have an /etc/network/interfaces.d/setup file, is that a gnome thing?
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• 2021[15:08:23] <BluesKaj> kde/plasma on stretch here
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• 2025[15:09:21] <SpeedyG> BluesKaj: its not on my strech-gnome box either...
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• 2027[15:09:36] <Apteryx> BluesKaj: I think if the name of the interfaces under /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/network/interface.d/* match an actual interface name, Network Manager will not list the interfaces anymore (as they are managed already)
• 2028[15:09:40] <BluesKaj> ok thanks SpeedyG
• 2029[15:09:43] <SpeedyG> but that has been upgraded from jessie so maybe only with a fresh install
• 2030[15:09:44] <Apteryx> That's why the solution of fixing the names there is not good.
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• 2035[15:10:56] <BluesKaj> ok, mine is a clean install
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• 2037[15:11:02] <Apteryx> You can force NM in listing the "managed devices" by setting a boolean flag in its config, but that's not very pretty as now you see the devices as "managed" but I don't see how that is useful except for validating the config.
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• 2041[15:11:32] <Apteryx> SpeedyG: Interesting... I used Debian Live I think.
• 2042[15:11:54] <Apteryx> As an installation medium. But I followed graphical installer (not installed through live session).
• 2043[15:12:01] <BluesKaj> netinstall text mode here
• 2044[15:12:18] <Apteryx> At work I did netinstall and had same issue.
• 2045[15:12:27] <Apteryx> Maybe it's fixed already?
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• 2047[15:12:35] <Apteryx> This was like 2 or 3 weeks ago.
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• 2053[15:14:45] <BluesKaj> I haven't used NM since 2010 on this pc, however wifi on the laptop is a different story...static ip without nm is bit too much work
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• 2066[15:25:06] <Apteryx> OK.
• 2067[15:25:25] <Apteryx> Also, is there supposed to be a splash screen connecting grub to login screen?
• 2068[15:25:36] <Apteryx> Cause right now, it's just black.
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• 2071[15:26:12] <Apteryx> I don't mind it, but was wondering if this was the normal behavior.
• 2072[15:26:27] <bolt> if you install a splash screen there will be one
• 2073[15:26:38] <jelly> the splash screen thing is not installed by default, but you ought to see some text mode lines
• 2074[15:26:42] <Apteryx> bolt: There's none by default?
• 2075[15:26:51] <jelly> plymouth
• 2076[15:26:51] <BluesKaj> Apteryx, mine just switches to the login from the POST page with 2-3 sec delay
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• 2078[15:27:16] <bolt> Apteryx: not on a base install, no. no idea about the several dozen other defaults
• 2079[15:27:17] <Apteryx> jelly: I used to see text, until I fixed the "Failed to Raise networking devices" error with the fix discussed above; now I barely see any.
• 2080[15:27:37] <jelly> Apteryx: or remove the "quiet" boot parameter from /etc/default/grub and run update-grub, for even more scrolling text
• 2081[15:27:50] <Apteryx> jelly: OK. I think I do have quiet on.
• 2082[15:27:53] <Apteryx> (default)
• 2083[15:28:14] <Apteryx> Well that's good. I don't need a splash screen, was just wondering :)
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• 2085[15:28:25] <Apteryx> I have to go! Thanks for the help!
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• 2140[16:15:36] <f-a> hello, I use setxkbmap -layout us,es and switch between the two. Is there a way to query setxkbmap or the current *selected* layout?
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• 2142[16:15:58] <f-a> I read the manpage and tried --verbose, but no dice. Maybe I need to invoke another command?
• 2143[16:16:04] <apollo13> localectl might tell you the current layout?
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• 2150[16:16:58] <dTal> I found with setxkbmap it worked for a while, but would spontaneously revert. Eventually I just gave up and used the iBus applet
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• 2152[16:17:23] <f-a> apollo13: X11 Layout: us
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• 2154[16:17:31] <f-a> even when the other layout is selected
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• 2158[16:18:27] <_rubik> f-a: setxkbmap -query | grep layout
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• 2162[16:19:02] <f-a> _rubik: it would show us,es
• 2163[16:19:25] <f-a> so *selectable* layouts, but not *selected* one
• 2164[16:20:13] <_rubik> Ahh. Maybe take a look at xkblayout-state?
• 2165[16:20:21] <_rubik> replaced-url
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• 2168[16:20:54] <f-a> that looks nice. I suppose you didn't link to debian repos because it is not in debian repos, right?
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• 2171[16:22:30] <_rubik> f-a: No I don't believe so. I have a module in my Polybar read off my current layout, so this is the only other way I know. Do let me know if you find a clean solution that I overlooked.
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• 2175[16:24:28] <_frostie> the key to the spotify repo in debian 9 seems to be broken? when i try to add it it gives: replaced-url
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• 2179[16:25:10] <_frostie> its the key from this page: replaced-url
• 2180[16:25:29] <f-a> _rubik: that seems to do it thanks, weird problem though
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• 2182[16:25:46] <_rubik> f-a: You used the repo I linked?
• 2183[16:26:05] <f-a> _rubik: yeah
• 2184[16:26:28] <_frostie> so until there is a fix, user need to install spotify without the key add
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• 2309[17:20:42] <Photon> Apt-get install and apt-get upgrade freeze after I confirm the packages I want installed
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• 2314[17:24:26] <_rubik> Photon: Try pinging a few of the main sources in your /etc/apt sources.list. Can you reach them?
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• 2317[17:25:11] <gabrielc> Photon: try to catch some error using strace/ltrace. ie: strace apt-get upgrade
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• 2376[17:52:37] <hexhaxtron> I just received a brand new laptop and I want to install Debian on it. It's a UEFI system. Should I install Debian normally? Do I have to create a UEFI partition?
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• 2378[17:53:03] <iodev> hexhaxtron: is the laptop UEFI?
• 2379[17:53:10] <iodev> or just regular BIOS?
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• 2381[17:53:31] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: just install Debian normally. If you boot the installer in UEFI mode then it will create the ESP partition for you durng guided partitioning
• 2382[17:53:37] <jelly> hexhaxtron: is it going to be the only OS?
• 2383[17:53:40] <iodev> and anyway you can use legacy, still if you go with UEFI, don't forget to turn off that stupid secureboot
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• 2385[17:54:20] <iodev> (not that it doesn't protect you from rootkits, but debian doesn't sign kernels and even with a signed kernel distro, like Ubuntu/Redhat, secureboot will prevent you from installing proprietary drivers)
• 2386[17:54:23] <jelly> yes, Debian 9 installer still does not support Secure Boot, so it needs to be disabled
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• 2388[17:54:36] <jelly> iodev: debian actually does sign kernels
• 2389[17:55:00] <hexhaxtron> iodev: it seems to be UEFI.
• 2390[17:55:05] <hexhaxtron> jelly: yes, just Debian on it.
• 2391[17:55:08] <jelly> it just that installer and boot infra is not 100% there yet
• 2392[17:55:28] <iodev> jelly: okay
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• 2395[17:55:54] <iodev> hexhaxtron: oh, and beware some UEFI implementations like Acer or Gigabytes are not 100% standard compliant
• 2396[17:55:57] <iodev> aka buggy
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• 2398[17:56:55] <iodev> (disabling secureboot malfunctions on some acer laptops)
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• 2451[18:25:46] <Henry151> Can I "roll-my-own-iso" of debian with livebuild or something, and make my own custom live iso that is kinda like equivalent-ish to tails but made custom the way I want it?
• 2452[18:29:10] <somiaj> you can, but the documentation I belive is slightly out of date so it will require some work to achive.
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• 2480[18:46:19] <N3V3RM1^D> Correct way to know if my system is using nvidia card?
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• 2492[18:50:20] <BluesKaj> N3V3RM1^D, lspci -nnk | grep -i vga -A3 | grep 'in use' , include the quotes
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• 2501[18:53:07] <N3V3RM1^D> BluesKaj: thx
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• 2525[19:03:37] <gert_> what are the steps to installing i3wm if I already have xfce installed
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• 2528[19:04:18] <apollo13> apt install i3wm
• 2529[19:04:43] <apollo13> or whatever that package is called
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• 2532[19:06:22] <gert_> I figure I have to edit some files or just remove xfce?
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• 2539[19:07:56] <raktajino> check your desktop manager's documentaiton (eg slim, xdm, gdm) to see how to choose a different session at startup
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• 2547[19:09:45] <dTal> you just open up .xinitrc and change the last line from "start-xfce" to "i3wm"... wait, what decade is this?
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• 2550[19:10:09] <greycat> ~/.xsession now
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• 2554[19:11:52] <raktajino> ah, its 'exec i3' at the end of ~/.xsession
• 2555[19:11:59] <gert_> not seeing either .xsession or .xinitrc file, someone on stack overflow recommends "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager"
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• 2557[19:12:12] <raktajino> you may have to create .xsession (and make it executable)
• 2558[19:12:19] <greycat> update-alternatives changes the default system session for all users
• 2559[19:12:27] <greycat> creating ~/.xsession changes it for *you*
• 2560[19:12:28] <Masterphi> Does anyone know why USB transfer speeds slow down significantly after hours of transferring? (on USB 3.0 - transfer speed down to 0.1MB/s after 4 days)
• 2561[19:12:30] <raktajino> i3 man page has an example .xsession
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• 2566[19:14:42] <yann-kaelig> hi
• 2567[19:14:58] <gert_> thanks for the quick help
• 2568[19:15:36] <yann-kaelig> networking stop working on my debian 9 I don't know why and i'm trying to fix this issue
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• 2570[19:16:01] <yann-kaelig> look like my interface is down
• 2571[19:16:24] <yann-kaelig> how can I up my interface with the ip software ?
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• 2573[19:16:45] <jmcnaught> yann-kaelig: how do you normally configure networking on this computer?
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• 2575[19:17:19] <yann-kaelig> jmcnaught, I never configured the network, everything work out of the box after the first installation
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• 2579[19:17:59] <yann-kaelig> I don't know this new ip software, I always used ifconfig
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• 2582[19:18:48] <greycat> I don't know why you want to "up" an interface without configuring it, but it appears the iproute2 equivalent is "ip link set DEVICENAME up"
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• 2584[19:19:06] <greycat> But realistically, you probably want to configure it.
• 2585[19:19:41] <yann-kaelig> because I'n not sure to understand the ip addr show output, but I have:
• 2586[19:19:41] <boubou> hey guys
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• 2588[19:19:54] <yann-kaelig> 2: enp4s0 state DOWN
• 2589[19:20:13] <boubou> I CANT write in a windows nfs share
• 2590[19:20:26] <greycat> yann-kaelig: is it configured in /etc/network/interfaces?
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• 2599[19:22:46] <forcerecon> these emails we get that I do not have the public key for.. How do I get the public key
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• 2601[19:22:50] <forcerecon> and add it to my keyring
• 2602[19:23:18] <forcerecon> gpg: using RSA key B6E62F3D12AC38495C0DA90510C293B6C37C4E36
• 2603[19:23:19] <forcerecon> gpg: Can't check signature: No public key
• 2604[19:23:24] <greycat> forcerecon: typically, gpg --recv-keys FINGERPRINT
• 2605[19:23:44] <greycat> You may have to configure a --keyserver first.
• 2606[19:25:54] <forcerecon> well I got the key thanks to you but = Valid signature, but cannot verify sender (Salvatore Bonaccorso <salvatore.bonaccorso@gmail.com>)
• 2607[19:26:06] <Antares> вас не заебало?
• 2608[19:26:06] <forcerecon> so at least I know how to do it now
• 2609[19:26:07] <forcerecon> thanks
• 2610[19:26:26] <greycat> Antares: weeks later, this STILL is not #debian-russian
• 2611[19:26:49] <raktajino> greycat: in these trying times, can you really blame them <.>
• 2612[19:26:57] <Antares> * Невозможно зайти на канал #debian-russian (Вы забанены).
• 2613[19:27:21] <Antares> они скоты
• 2614[19:27:23] <Antares> :(
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• 2617[19:28:09] <jmcnaught> yann-kaelig: the stretch release notes have a mini cheat sheet for iproute2 equivalents of old net-tools commands, but I agree that you should configure the interface with ifupdown or some other method that will work on boot
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• 2620[19:29:02] <_rubik> greycat: I think they banned Antares :/
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• 2622[19:29:18] <greycat> Antares: This channel is English only.
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• 2626[19:29:37] <Antares> ok
• 2627[19:29:41] <yann-kaelig> greycat, there is strange thing fron the interface file i have: allow-hotplug enp3s0 iface enp3s0 inet dhcp but ip addr show my interface name is enp4s0
• 2628[19:29:47] <Antares> debian-en
• 2629[19:30:04] <Antares> I remember
• 2630[19:30:07] <greycat> yann-kaelig: Did you move the hard drive between machines or something?
• 2631[19:30:29] <yann-kaelig> i moved the hard drive in another sata connector
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• 2634[19:30:59] <greycat> Well in any case, edit /etc/network/interfaces and make it use the interface that ip reports. Then ifup enp4s0, or reboot.
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• 2636[19:31:15] <Logg> Trying to write all zeros to a failing drive with dd, stops after 39MiB with this message in dmesg: "I/O error, dev sdl, sector 80424". So I tried "hdparm --write-sector 80424 --yes-i-know-what-i-am-doing /dev/sdl" like one google result told me to, in order to reallocate that bad sector. hdparm reports re-writing sector 80424: SG_IO: bad/missing sense data, sb[]: 70 00 05 00 00 00 00 0a 00 00 00 00 20 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00
• 2637[19:31:15] <Logg> succeeded
• 2638[19:31:15] <Logg> but dd doesn't make it any further writing zeros.
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• 2643[19:32:18] <yann-kaelig> greycat, How is it possible the interface name has changed just because I'm on different sata port !
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• 2645[19:32:31] <greycat> It probably changed for some other reason.
• 2646[19:32:56] <aloo_shu> Antares , there's a point. About thinking one language is 'default'. I'm on #debian-offtopin (us-en, i fear), too. It's a friendly place where even humor exists.
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• 2648[19:33:26] <Antares> ...
• 2649[19:33:33] <aloo_shu> Antares #debian-offtopic - typo
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• 2651[19:33:50] <Antares> thx
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• 2662[19:41:49] <cheapie> Logg: Can you pastebin the last few lines from dmesg? There's usually more to the output than that.
• 2663[19:42:25] <yann-kaelig> ok thx greycat that work
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• 2667[19:43:51] <Logg> cheapie: replaced-url
• 2668[19:44:10] <cheapie> That's... unusual. One moment...
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• 2670[19:44:23] <amra> I received a brand new laptop today and I installed Debian 9 on it. Everything installed perfectly but when I use the system it just hangs after some few minutes. I reboot and it hangs again... What should I do?
• 2671[19:44:42] <cheapie> Logg: What kind of drive is this? (PATA/SATA/SCSI/SAS/FC/?)
• 2672[19:44:45] <greycat> Make sure all firmware is installed.
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• 2674[19:44:56] <forcerecon> learn the basics, check your logs, see what is going on.. as I have been told in the past myself.. :)
• 2675[19:45:02] <Logg> cheapie: This is a 20 GB PATA drive attached via USB.
• 2676[19:45:23] <cheapie> Logg: Can you try it internally? I've seen some flaky USB bridges do that.
• 2677[19:45:30] <aloo_shu> amra how far is it booting? do you get the login dialog?
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• 2679[19:46:07] <Logg> cheapie: well, maybe another day. I don't run debian on any machine with IDE ports on its motherboard.
• 2680[19:46:25] <Logg> thanks for your input anyway.
• 2681[19:46:37] <cheapie> Logg: OK. They do make PATA-to-SATA bridges, by the way, which do tend to work better than the USB ones.
• 2682[19:46:56] <Logg> good to know.
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• 2733[20:06:28] <amra_> My system is hanging frequently and I need to reboot. This is the log replaced-url
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• 2735[20:06:43] <amra_> Any help?
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• 2770[20:15:39] <forcerecon> NMI watchdog: BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 22s! [migration/1:15]
• 2771[20:15:47] <forcerecon> mean anything?
• 2772[20:16:32] <debuser> Hello, I just installed debian 9, and I have a problem right after installation. I do not have a graphical environment, just a gray screen.
• 2773[20:16:53] <johnkeates> what gpu are you using
• 2774[20:17:00] <johnkeates> and did you install a graphical environment
• 2775[20:17:04] <johnkeates> and can you log in
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• 2778[20:17:18] <debuser> I can not load a console, and I do not know where the problem is.
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• 2781[20:18:19] <debuser> gpu ... well gtx 460
• 2782[20:18:19] <johnkeates> is it possible your system simply crashes? try alt+f2 or alt+shift+f2 of alt+control+f2 (i always forget which one it is)
• 2783[20:18:36] <johnkeates> you should be able to get to a text console if it's not crashed
• 2784[20:19:02] <debuser> Tried everything, did not load the console.
• 2785[20:19:10] <johnkeates> so it's probably crashed
• 2786[20:19:12] <forcerecon> would I be wrong in saying this is a network install? Looks like the network is down and hanging the process..
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• 2788[20:19:15] <johnkeates> try booting into recovery
• 2789[20:19:40] <forcerecon> ahhh.. amra_ is gone
• 2790[20:19:42] <forcerecon> nvm
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• 2792[20:20:01] <debuser> I did that too. The same result.
• 2793[20:20:19] <johnkeates> but recovery shouldn't load anything graphical
• 2794[20:20:26] <johnkeates> how did that get you a grey screen
• 2795[20:20:45] <debuser> Probably not well tuned xorg.conf ...
• 2796[20:20:57] <johnkeates> not really, xorg.conf no longer exists/needed
• 2797[20:21:03] <johnkeates> recovery doesn't start X
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• 2799[20:21:31] <johnkeates> are you booting via grub
• 2800[20:21:36] <johnkeates> and are you using BIOS or UEFI
• 2801[20:21:42] <debuser> It does not charge anything after a lot of checks.
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• 2803[20:21:57] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day :D
• 2804[20:22:07] <jmcnaught> debuser: this happened after first boot, or did you install nvidia drivers and reboot a second time? If you're using nouveau, you may need a non-free firmware (that wasn't required for earlier versions)
• 2805[20:22:10] <debuser> standrt bios pc
• 2806[20:23:30] <debuser> How to install anything? No graphics environment or console?
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• 2808[20:24:22] <debuser> After finishing the installation successfully, I have a problem.
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• 2813[20:25:18] <johnkeates> in recovery/single user mode you have no graphics
• 2814[20:25:29] <johnkeates> if you do get graphics or a grey screen some other problem is happening
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• 2820[20:26:46] <timeless> can someone tell me why the Debian Stable Release Key (9/stretch) isn't available from keyring.debian.org? replaced-url
• 2821[20:27:00] <jmcnaught> debuser: I was asking for clarification because sometimes people leave out important information. Did you try booting in recovery mode?
• 2822[20:27:04] <debuser> This is exactly what happens on recovery mode
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• 2828[20:29:52] <jmcnaught> debuser: next I would boot the installer again, and choose rescue mode from its boot menu. It will ask you a few questions, then give you an option to run a shell
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• 2835[20:34:13] <jmcnaught> bah debuser is gone too…
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• 2875[20:57:03] <DammitJim> I know this is old news, but is there a proper way to remove an upstart job?
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• 2877[20:57:08] <DammitJim> or is it enough to just delete the conf file?
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• 2881[20:58:42] <jelly> DammitJim: something something initctl ?
• 2882[20:58:59] <DammitJim> I'm googling
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• 2885[20:59:14] <jelly> that's about as much I know about upstart, only dealt with it on EL6
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• 2887[20:59:30] <DammitJim> thanks
• 2888[20:59:32] <jelly> how did you end up running debian w/ upstart anyway
• 2889[20:59:48] <DammitJim> I just realized I'm on the wrong channel, jelly, but thank you for your help!!!
• 2890[20:59:59] <jelly> np
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• 2899[21:02:07] <forcerecon> does debian cinnamon have its own channel
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• 2901[21:02:55] <greycat> Does *any* debian desktop environment have its own channel?
• 2902[21:03:12] <SuperTramp83> #xfce
• 2903[21:03:30] <greycat> I mean, a Debian specific channel.
• 2904[21:03:42] <forcerecon> reason I am asking is because I am on softpedia and they have a channel id for #debiancinnamon
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• 2906[21:03:51] <forcerecon> just figured I would ask
• 2907[21:03:57] <SuperTramp83> #debian-xfce :P
• 2908[21:04:07] <greycat> Hmm, ok. Didn't know about that one.
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• 2910[21:04:39] <greycat> They might want to update their topic.
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• 2914[21:05:54] <SuperTramp83> heh, yeah..
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• 2923[21:08:10] <trbo> Hi! Any easy way to make the output of ; "watch lsof -p`pgrep -x cp`" to human-readable format instead of bytes?
• 2924[21:08:26] <fearnothing> hi, maybe debian can help me...
• 2925[21:08:31] <greycat> trbo: perhaps you want to look at pv
• 2926[21:08:45] <fearnothing> having an issue with libvirt on debian jessie
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• 2928[21:09:24] <trbo> greycat: yeah i read about it, but the transfer has already been running for about 12hours and i just want to check it fairly easy, i was thinking awk might be usable?
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• 2930[21:09:35] <fearnothing> what I'm trying to do is to have it set the correct ownership/perms on the socket files
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• 2935[21:10:00] <fearnothing> so I edit /etc/libvirt/libvirtd.conf and if I run libvirt manually as root, it's happy, correct perms
• 2936[21:10:14] <greycat> trbo: ah, for an already-underway copy the only thing I'd do is run du on the destination dir periodically
• 2937[21:10:30] <trbo> greycat: that might be easiest yes :P
• 2938[21:10:39] <fearnothing> but if I run it as a service then it does not - it puts the socket files in a different place and creates them as root:root instead of root:mygroup
• 2939[21:11:03] <fearnothing> however, when I reboot, then they work correctly
• 2940[21:11:28] <fearnothing> so clearly stopping and starting the libvirtd service is not the only thing I need to do, but I can't figure out what else
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• 2942[21:11:32] <fearnothing> can anyone help please?
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• 2949[21:15:25] <opticron> hi all, is anyone using synergy on latest debian sid? in the last week, something seems to have broken and I don't think it's synergy itself (reverted back to 1.4.x from 1.8.8 on server/client with the same issues)
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• 2952[21:16:07] <pingouin> hello #debian
• 2953[21:16:57] <opticron> anyway, the behavior is: once transitioning to the client screen on the left side, the cursor is nearly stuck on the far left and only if I'm very careful can I move it around on the screen due to extreme acceleration issues
• 2954[21:16:59] <pingouin> is there somewhere a config file with the build options used for Firefox in debian's package ?
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• 2961[21:18:09] <opticron> pingouin, are you aware of "apt-get source"?
• 2962[21:18:26] <trbo> thanks for your time greycat :)
• 2963[21:18:44] <pingouin> opticron: not really, but i guess you want me to check that
• 2964[21:18:53] <pingouin> opticron: thank you for the clue
• 2965[21:18:58] <greycat> pingouin: /msg dpkg source
• 2966[21:19:27] <opticron> np, there should also be some tutorials floating around on how to rebuild existing debian packages from scratch
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• 2968[21:19:41] <pingouin> never worked for me to /msg the bot, i only get my own msg back
• 2969[21:19:49] <greycat> Then fix your IRC client.
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• 2971[21:20:10] <pingouin> debian package you mean :)
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• 2973[21:20:29] <timeless> is anyone here familiar w/ keyring.debian.org ?
• 2974[21:20:30] <greycat> Whatever you broke, whether it's a Debian package or not, fix it.
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• 2977[21:22:40] <pingouin> if i had the begining of a clue about what to fix...maybe. not working ? bah..i do not use it so...not a big deal
• 2978[21:22:54] <greycat> 15:22 CTCP VERSION reply from pingouin: irssi v1.0.2-1+deb9u1
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• 2980[21:23:10] <greycat> irssi should have working /msg by default. Mine does.
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• 2983[21:23:42] <opticron> could also be that the /msg is going to the wrong network
• 2984[21:23:51] <pingouin> nop...
• 2985[21:24:10] <pingouin> i do the /msg -freenode
• 2986[21:24:27] <opticron> weird, I just got it to respond to guidelines
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• 2988[21:24:52] <timeless> do you have a working /query ?
• 2989[21:25:15] <pingouin> not a big deal, thank you anyway for the apt-get source, i can look that on research engine
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• 2991[21:26:04] <pingouin> anyone has already build his own firefox ? any advices ? clue ? links ?
• 2992[21:26:13] <apollo13> why would you wanna do that?
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• 2994[21:26:28] <opticron> I"ve tried, but was unable to due to system weirdness
• 2995[21:26:28] <pingouin> Mozilla broke firefox...
• 2996[21:26:38] <pingouin> ...so i need to build mine
• 2997[21:26:41] <apollo13> oO
• 2998[21:26:48] <greycat> I tried to build firefox once upon a time. It was a silly thing to try.
• 2999[21:26:57] <lupus> I currently have Windows 7 and Fedora installed on a computer of mine, both on the same harddrive. I would like to replace Fedora with Debian Stretch. Will the GUI installer allow me to this and not break my Windows install?
• 3000[21:27:01] <greycat> Also offtopic, because I was not trying on Debian.
• 3001[21:27:22] <apollo13> mhm, building firefox is not that bad -- it just takes double the time you expect since it does a PGO build :D
• 3002[21:27:31] <pingouin> apollo13: alsa / pulse audio
• 3003[21:27:33] <apollo13> lupus: yes
• 3004[21:27:36] <apollo13> pingouin: ?
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• 3007[21:28:20] <pingouin> apollo13: replaced-url
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• 3009[21:28:32] <lupus> apollo3: have you tried something like this before? i'm just worried that it would break the MBR partition leaving me unable to boot Windows
• 3010[21:28:33] <opticron> pingouin, I'm only familiar with the apt-build method of building firefox, so ymmv
• 3011[21:28:35] <apollo13> lol ALSA only -_-
• 3012[21:28:41] <greycat> MBR is not a partition
• 3013[21:28:52] <apollo13> lupus: yes, I do this every other month
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• 3018[21:29:12] <apollo13> lupus: if you were to install windows after debian that would fuck up the boot loader
• 3019[21:29:23] <opticron> was trying to build with -O2 and -march=native
• 3020[21:29:45] <opticron> for speedier firefox since that's what eats most of my system resources half the time
• 3021[21:30:13] <lupus> apollo13: okay, i will try it out (already made a windows backup), thanks for your reply
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• 3025[21:30:48] <JordiGH> I wonder if this namespace clash is going to be like git: replaced-url
• 3026[21:30:54] * pingouin wondering why one would wants to boot on windows
• 3027[21:31:13] * pingouin ah yes...catch a wannacry maybe...
• 3028[21:31:18] <opticron> JordiGH, well...that's annoying
• 3029[21:31:23] <apollo13> opticron: sorry, lost my interest when you said you wouldn't install pulse
• 3030[21:31:29] <Ormu> :o
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• 3032[21:31:43] <JordiGH> opticron: I kind of want it to stay as it is. :P
• 3033[21:31:47] <apollo13> JordiGH: didn't debian kick docker out?
• 3034[21:31:52] <opticron> apollo13, :D
• 3035[21:31:53] <forcerecon> How do you turn off internet printing protocol in debian and close the port
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• 3037[21:32:05] <lupus> pingouin: need Windows for my Enterprise 3D software :)
• 3038[21:32:09] <JordiGH> apollo13: They did?
• 3039[21:32:32] <apollo13> JordiGH: I thought so, might mix it up with vbox though
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• 3042[21:32:40] <pingouin> bad Enterprise, bad software, change Entreprise, change software :)
• 3043[21:32:58] <apollo13> JordiGH: at least it didn't up in stable, no?
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• 3047[21:33:25] <greycat> Am I the only one that has a really bad vibe that the guy who can't manage to get /msg working in irssi wants to recompile a web browser with changed settings?
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• 3050[21:34:06] <pingouin> yeap i do not need pulse, making audio/video recording here... pulse add too much latency & others troubles. Jackd better
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• 3052[21:34:39] <greycat> pingouin: while you're working on all that, the easy workaround for audio in firefox would be to use firefox-esr
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• 3054[21:35:28] <Ormu> so someone wants to compile Firefox to not use Pulseaudio? Can't ALSA emulate pulseaudio?
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• 3056[21:35:48] <Ormu> (replace ALSA with JACK or other audio daemon)
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• 3058[21:36:17] <pingouin> greycat: allready did, v.52.x pulse mandatory
• 3059[21:36:38] <Ormu> or how about using pulseaudio as a JACK "guest"? isn't that possible?
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• 3061[21:36:52] <Ormu> just my 2cents :|
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• 3063[21:37:07] <pingouin> Ormu: already have jack working perfectly, it's firefox that do not want something else than pulseaudio
• 3064[21:37:22] <pingouin> Ormu: Pulse is like drugs, i do not do drugs
• 3065[21:37:26] <Ormu> :P
• 3066[21:37:39] <pingouin> it's messing your life
• 3067[21:37:39] <Ormu> how about installing Pulseaudio for Firefox only? shouldn't it work as a JACK "guest"?
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• 3069[21:38:04] <pingouin> not Pul* package at all , i'm orthodox
• 3070[21:38:08] <pingouin> but...
• 3071[21:38:09] <Ormu> :P
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• 3073[21:38:34] <pingouin> replaced-url
• 3074[21:38:38] <apollo13> pingouin: why don't you redirect pulse to jack?
• 3075[21:38:46] <apollo13> replaced-url
• 3076[21:38:47] <pingouin> not Pul* package at all , i'm orthodox
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• 3080[21:39:17] <pingouin> pulse messing everything...already tried on previous debian installation
• 3081[21:39:38] <teraflops> …
• 3082[21:39:53] <Ormu> JACK devs do not want add Pulseaudio emulation to their software?
• 3083[21:40:15] <apollo13> see my link above, there seems to be any easy way to redirect pulse to jack
• 3084[21:40:31] <pingouin> would be easier if Mozilla did not break the main api in the kernel...
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• 3086[21:40:35] <pingouin> ...nice one
• 3087[21:40:46] <apollo13> cadence can even bridge via a gui replaced-url
• 3088[21:40:51] <pingouin> but it's ok...they surely need to loose more users
• 3089[21:40:53] <timeless> browsers don't break kernel apis
• 3090[21:40:55] <timeless> only kernel devs do
• 3091[21:41:01] <apollo13> pingouin: main api in the kernel? loooooooooool, what are you smoking
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• 3093[21:41:13] <jelly> pingouin: the % of linux users is already pretty much irrelevant
• 3094[21:41:14] <teraflops> I do use cadence when I need jack, easy as hell
• 3095[21:41:16] <pingouin> chill, wrong sentence
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• 3097[21:41:23] <pingouin> i'm not english native
• 3098[21:41:31] <pingouin> you perfectly understood what i meant
• 3099[21:41:31] <timeless> browsers merely choose to use well supported and improving subsystems to reduce maintenance cost
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• 3103[21:42:14] <jelly> I bet there's a wrapper library to make pulse-only apps use something like alsa anyway
• 3104[21:42:17] <timeless> pingouin: sorry, your English isn't distinguishable from a poor native speaker's
• 3105[21:42:18] <pingouin> jelly: yeap, beginning of the end
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• 3107[21:42:24] <timeless> (or rather, a poor native speaker with a limited understanding of how projects work)
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• 3109[21:42:57] <jelly> pingouin: it's a minor platform, of course they're not going to support 2-3 sound APIs
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• 3111[21:43:03] <Ormu> apollo13: wait, doesn't that require to have pulseaudio installed?
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• 3114[21:43:14] <apollo13> Ormu: sure, but why does that hurt?
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• 3118[21:43:26] <pingouin> timeless: Mozilla break the usage of the Alsa api in the kernel , on user's computer who prefer to use it, instead of using pulse audio - which also use Alsa by the way..wich is strange
• 3119[21:43:27] <Ormu> apollo13: it seems to hurt some people :P
• 3120[21:43:32] <apollo13> Ormu: *shrug*
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• 3122[21:43:38] <pingouin> hope this time my sentence is almost correct
• 3123[21:44:00] <timeless> pingouin: still indistinguishable from what a native speaker would say if they didn't understand how projects worked
• 3124[21:44:01] <apollo13> no, by linus' definition a user space program cannot break anything in the kernel
• 3125[21:44:05] <Ormu> I used to be against Pulseaudio, but nowadays i like the source/sink approach, it makes many things easier than plain ALSA
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• 3127[21:44:15] <timeless> and what apollo13 said
• 3128[21:44:28] <timeless> mozilla the project decided to stop using an api
• 3129[21:44:37] <teraflops> pingouin: nobody is forcing you to use firefox…
• 3130[21:44:37] <timeless> that isn't "breaking" the api in the kernel, it's simply "ignoring" it
• 3131[21:44:37] <pingouin> timeless: sorry, tryed my best - please write me the correct sentence from a high end english user :)
• 3132[21:44:46] <apollo13> Ormu: lennard does get shit done and redhat is not stupid either :D
• 3133[21:44:50] <pingouin> teraflops: exactly...Chrome now...
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• 3136[21:44:59] <pingouin> but it's sad...
• 3137[21:45:02] <timeless> and the reason they're ignoring it is that they have limited engineering resources, and audio isn't their core business
• 3138[21:45:04] <Ormu> :P
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• 3140[21:45:16] <greycat> I didn't realize that firefox-esr had already broken ALSA. That is unfortunate.
• 3141[21:45:21] <timeless> they'd rather support 1 linux api, and 1 windows api, and 1 macOS api, etc.
• 3142[21:45:31] <jelly> ,i libroar-compat-tools
• 3143[21:45:32] <judd> Package libroar-compat-tools (libs, optional) in stretch/amd64: drop-in replacements for other sound libraries (tools package). Version: 1.0~beta11-9; Size: 20.6k; Installed: 44k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 3144[21:45:33] <apollo13> pingouin: considering time & money -- why are you so against the solutions I suggested?
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• 3147[21:46:13] <Ormu> apollo13: but since there are anti-Pulseaudio people around, they might appreciate if JACK devs added Pulseaudio API emulation to their software. just my 2cents
• 3148[21:46:20] <pingouin> Pulse is messing with audio latency, resampling etc... not good - i record with sound card & live sometimes
• 3149[21:46:31] <apollo13> Ormu: sure, just needs someone to care enough about jack to do so :D
• 3150[21:46:36] <Ormu> yep :|
• 3151[21:46:36] <apollo13> pingouin: you didn't listen
• 3152[21:47:58] <apollo13> pingouin: jack would still be below for your recording stuff apparently
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• 3155[21:49:00] <apollo13> or not, but either way, cadence seems to be a viable solution for when you just want to do something in firefox
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• 3177[22:01:07] <teraflops> apollo13: not only ff, e.g using a bt headset
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• 3198[22:13:03] <dTal> I'm curious how Firefox works on FreeBSD, then.
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• 3200[22:13:28] <apollo13> slow as hell from what I heard last
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• 3205[22:14:30] <greycat> So apparently the workaround is to downgrade to firefox-esr 45.x, or upgrade to chrom{e,ium}.
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• 3207[22:15:14] <hellyeah> hey
• 3208[22:15:25] <hellyeah> any known problem with this wireless card Broadcom Corporation BCM4313 802.11bgn Wireless Network Adapter (rev 01)
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• 3210[22:16:07] <dTal> ...it's made by Broadcom?
• 3211[22:16:20] <apollo13> that ^
• 3212[22:16:24] <teraflops> hellyeah: idk, do you have nay?
• 3213[22:16:27] <teraflops> any^
• 3214[22:16:35] <greycat> !bcm4313
• 3215[22:16:35] <dpkg> The Broadcom BCM4313 (PCI ID 14e4:4727) - incorrectly identified as BCM4727 by Broadcom's proprietary driver - is an 802.11n PCIe wireless LAN chipset. Not supported by the <b43> driver at this time. For device support, ask about me about <brcmsmac>, <wl>. Not to be confused with the <bcm4331>.
• 3216[22:17:12] <hellyeah> wireless worked good
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• 3218[22:17:26] <hellyeah> but sometimes it didnt find networks
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• 3227[22:23:09] <hellyeah> VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470]
• 3228[22:23:16] <hellyeah> do you know about this card?
• 3229[22:23:30] <greycat> We'd know more if you used lspci -nn to get the PCI ID.
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• 3231[22:24:28] <hellyeah> greycat: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470] [1002:68e0]
• 3232[22:24:37] <greycat> ,pciid 1002:68e0
• 3233[22:24:38] <judd> [1002:68e0] is 'Park [Mobility Radeon HD 5430/5450/5470]' from 'Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]' with kernel modules 'snd-hda-intel', 'radeon' in jessie. See also replaced-url
• 3234[22:25:03] <greycat> hmm.
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• 3236[22:25:31] <hellyeah> let me check url
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• 3239[22:26:17] <greycat> I would avoid fglrx if possible; see if the thing works with the radeon driver first.
• 3240[22:26:37] <hellyeah> radeon
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• 3242[22:27:11] <hellyeah> you mean this xserver-xorg-video-radeon
• 3243[22:27:14] <hellyeah> ?
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• 3245[22:27:27] <greycat> Yeah, the one that you should already have by default.
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• 3250[22:28:51] <teraflops> avoid fglrx, it's dead, I dont think stretch even supports it
• 3251[22:28:53] <hellyeah> yeah i have tat
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• 3253[22:29:07] <greycat> We know you have the radeon driver; the question is whether the device works well enough with it.
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• 3257[22:29:34] <hellyeah> appearently not
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• 3259[22:29:42] <greycat> What issues are you having?
• 3260[22:30:00] <hellyeah> everything is so big and hdmi didnt work
• 3261[22:30:05] <greycat> Also did you make sure all the firmware is installed?
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• 3263[22:30:15] <greycat> sudo dmesg | grep -i firmware
• 3264[22:30:20] <hellyeah> , cannot get visual from tv when i plug hdmi dcable to comp
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• 3266[22:30:28] <hellyeah> let me see
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• 3270[22:31:28] <hellyeah> seems there is some problems here replaced-url
• 3271[22:31:50] <greycat> install firmware-amd-graphics and reboot
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• 3273[22:32:08] <hellyeah> ssure
• 3274[22:32:24] <foul_owl> What does /etc/network/interfaces look like for a statically configured wifi interface? I can't seem to find a good example. Is it this? replaced-url
• 3275[22:33:02] <foul_owl> ie, if that is the _only_ contents of /etc/network/interfaces is that enough? Or do I have to muck about with wpa_supplicant?
• 3276[22:33:27] <foul_owl> I've only been running my systems wired until now :P
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• 3278[22:34:50] <teraflops> foul_owl: you only need replaced-url
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• 3281[22:35:39] <foul_owl> crap, so I do need the supplicant stuff
• 3282[22:35:39] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: also did you remove lo from interfaces?
• 3283[22:35:41] <gartt> Is there any (somewhat popular) messaging client (doesn't need to support voice/video) that works easily with end-to-end encryption but doesn't require a phone number like smartphone apps like WhatsApp, rather a username and password like Skype?
• 3284[22:35:49] <foul_owl> I haven't made any changes yet
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• 3287[22:35:56] <foul_owl> Basically I'm trying to use the octopi image
• 3288[22:36:05] <foul_owl> (raspberry pi with octoprint baked in)
• 3289[22:36:11] <jmcnaught> gartt: there's GNU ring but it's really new. It is in stretch though.
• 3290[22:36:14] <gartt> Why would there not be a huge market for that? Only Skype seems to be common and allows for communication from a user on a desktop to talk to a user on a smartphone
• 3291[22:36:44] <foul_owl> I edited /boot/octopi-network.txt to try and configure static ip for wifi, and it worked, but I'm getting a rogue dhcp ip attached to wlan0 also
• 3292[22:36:51] <greycat> Because the Linux desktop market is minuscule.
• 3293[22:37:02] <gartt> And of course it would be ideal for things like tablets with no carrier wireless, only AP wifi
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• 3295[22:37:06] <foul_owl> Tried releasing the lease, deleting the ip via ip addr etc but it comes back on reboot
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• 3297[22:37:23] <gartt> greycat: Even any platform, even Windows. <vomit>
• 3298[22:37:23] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: that doesn't sound like Debian…
• 3299[22:37:25] <ranix> greycat: it's huge, it just happens to be adequately served by secondhand machines
• 3300[22:37:29] <foul_owl> It's debian
• 3301[22:37:29] <teraflops> ,v octoprint
• 3302[22:37:30] <judd> No package named 'octoprint' was found in amd64.
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• 3304[22:38:04] <foul_owl> Octoprint doesn't have package, thus someone was kind enough to take the standard raspbian image and install octoprint onto it
• 3305[22:38:08] <gartt> I'm just stunned that there's nothing common out there. Why can't they have a "Skype" but with good end-to-end encryption, and requires uname and pass rather than phone number....
• 3306[22:38:24] <teraflops> so it's not even raspbian…
• 3307[22:38:28] <gartt> jmcnaught: Thanks, I'll research gnu ring
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• 3310[22:38:46] <foul_owl> It's raspbian with octoprint installed basically
• 3311[22:38:52] <teraflops> !raspbian
• 3312[22:38:52] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 3313[22:38:54] <HeXiLeD> quick confirmation guys. if i want a specific user to be able to access the shutdown cmd via sudoers; all it is needed is this : echo usame_name ALL=NOPASSWD:/sbin/shutdown >> /etc/sudoers <- Am i correct ? Can anyone confirm that this ONLY allows the privilege for the shutdown ONLY ?
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• 3315[22:39:42] <greycat> HeXiLeD: you should be using visudo instead of directly appending, but otherwise that matches /msg greybot sudo
• 3316[22:40:02] <HeXiLeD> yah you are correct. Visudo
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• 3332[22:48:45] <n4dir> i got it right that there ain't no flashplugin in the debian non-free repos anymore?
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• 3336[22:49:36] <apollo13> n4dir: finally :)
• 3337[22:49:50] <apollo13> it didn't get updated or so and was removed from stable
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• 3339[22:50:01] <n4dir> assuming the answer is "nope": do i still need it ? (probably depends on the sites i visit, duh, mainly youtube) and is there a workaround?
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• 3342[22:50:09] <apollo13> you don't
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• 3344[22:50:18] <n4dir> okay. thank you, sir.
• 3345[22:50:20] <apollo13> youtube and all the porn sites you visit work fine without ;)
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• 3347[22:50:31] <n4dir> damnit, i didn't say it by purpose.
• 3348[22:50:36] <apollo13> unless you want to play some flash games the web should work just fine
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• 3350[22:51:05] <n4dir> nah, nothing like that. mainly youtube, pornsites every other day (i am pretty old ... :-) ) . Ok, thanks
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• 3352[22:51:21] <greycat> I need Flash at work :-(
• 3353[22:51:54] <n4dir> hmm ... and the wl or other driver for the broadcom chipset didn't work. Looks like i can remove contrib and non-free again. hurray.
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• 3356[22:53:42] <n4dir> is it still possible to replace systemd with sysv ? there was a message from dpkg, but i don't recall the exact term
• 3357[22:54:52] <greycat> !stretch sysvinit
• 3358[22:54:52] <dpkg> To replace systemd with sysvinit in stretch, simply "apt-get install sysvinit-core" and reboot. To switch from systemd to runit, "apt-get install runit-systemd", reboot, "apt-get install runit-init", and reboot again.
• 3359[22:54:53] <apollo13> n4dir: you might wanna keep non-free for cpu microcodes etc
• 3360[22:55:05] <n4dir> greycat: thanks
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• 3362[22:55:06] <apollo13> n4dir: you want to keep systemd *jedihandmove*
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• 3364[22:55:50] <n4dir> apollo13: i haven't made up my mind yet, if it is worth it. I only was wondering if it is still possible in the actual, new stable.
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• 3367[22:56:04] <apollo13> not worth the hazzle imo
• 3368[22:56:12] <cerealguy> Hi! Just installed stretch. Whenever I boot, a full screen error comes up that says "something went wrong" and I only have a logout button. I'm in a terminal on tty2, though. Can someone help me troubleshoot?
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• 3371[22:56:57] <greycat> cerealguy: most likely video driver issues. Start with "lspci -nn | grep -i vga" to see which chipset, and "dmesg | grep -i firmware" to find missing firmware file names.
• 3372[22:57:04] <n4dir> apollo13: probably yes (since all the distros i use don't use sysv anymore, i hardly fool with the init system at all. before that i used sysv-rc-conf, which was easy enough for me. But now i am just used to leave the whole thing alone anyway)
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• 3379[22:59:22] <cerealguy> @greycat: I'll post a pic of the output.
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• 3381[23:00:07] <awal1> runit-systemd?
• 3382[23:00:41] <cerealguy> @greycat replaced-url
• 3383[23:01:25] <greycat> ,pciid 10de:0845
• 3384[23:01:26] <judd> [10de:0845] is 'C77 [GeForce 8200M G]' from 'NVIDIA Corporation' with kernel modules 'nouveau', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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• 3386[23:02:10] <cerealguy> Thanks I'll give that a look.
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• 3388[23:02:22] <n4dir> awal1: huh?
• 3389[23:02:31] <greycat> The kmuto page does *not* say it works. You may have to try the proprietary nvidia drivers.
• 3390[23:02:47] <greycat> See replaced-url
• 3391[23:03:15] <cerealguy> Ah ok. I see that now unfortunately.
• 3392[23:03:39] <awal1> n4dir, nvm; i just never heard about runit-init/systemd :P
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• 3394[23:04:26] <n4dir> runit seems very unsual. dragora uses it. and another rather obscure distro
• 3395[23:04:49] <boubou> hey guys
• 3396[23:04:53] <Ormu> :O
• 3397[23:05:07] <boubou> before mounting: drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 4.0K Aug 11 16:46 AM
• 3398[23:05:30] <boubou> after mounting: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Aug 14 13:39 AM
• 3399[23:05:33] <awal1> ,v runit-init
• 3400[23:05:34] <judd> No package named 'runit-init' was found in amd64.
• 3401[23:05:37] <boubou> why ?
• 3402[23:06:16] <awal1> wrong dpkg info (about runit-init)
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• 3410[23:08:09] <n4dir> !runit
• 3411[23:08:09] <dpkg> rumour has it, runit is a free (public domain) replacement for DJB's daemontools, at replaced-url
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• 3416[23:08:41] <n4dir> you will find anything and the kitchen sink in the debian repos :-)
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• 3419[23:09:12] <cerealguy> It seems stretch doesn't support that 8200 at all
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• 3421[23:09:31] <cerealguy> Bad luck
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• 3425[23:10:35] <greycat> Package "runit" has "Replaces: runit-init"
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• 3444[23:15:07] <greycat> based on #861536 it seems there *was* a runit-init binary pkg but it had some issues, and has been removed...?
• 3445[23:15:08] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 3447[23:15:18] <cerealguy> Hey @greycat I got the proprietary driver going. At login screen, I login but it keeps throwing me back to the login screen. It never loads the desktop. Ever seen that?
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• 3449[23:15:58] <greycat> cerealguy: I'm not a GNOME user myself, so no. I would login as yourself on tty2 and do something like "ls -lart | tail" in $HOME and see if there are any log files written there that can help you see what broke.
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• 3454[23:17:32] <cerealguy> Just ran a dmesg stupid file system was read only. Sorry
• 3455[23:17:42] <greycat> O_o
• 3456[23:17:45] <cerealguy> doing fsck
• 3457[23:18:14] <cerealguy> i appreciate the help. I learned something from ya
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• 3475[23:27:51] <sdrausty> Hi
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• 3477[23:28:29] <sdrausty> How can you find out what is available at replaced-url
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• 3485[23:30:37] <gartt> jmcnaught: GNU Ring looks extremely interesting, thanks! Finally a username/password messaging option that's encrypted and can be used on smartphone and computers
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• 3506[23:38:27] <sdrausty> How can you find out what is available at replaced-url
• 3507[23:39:24] <sdrausty> Where is the listing (table of contents) for replaced-url
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• 3509[23:40:21] <sdrausty> ftp://ftp.gnu.org has a beautiful listing of its' contents, not 404
• 3510[23:40:35] <sdrausty> Anyone?
• 3511[23:41:29] <LtL> sdrausty: 495 people in #android, ask them.
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