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98 [01:14:02] <bipul> How to find the configuration file via command line?
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116 [01:23:48] <abrotman> bipul: for what?
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118 [01:24:16] <bipul> FInding a configuration file inside apache2 installed packages.
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126 [01:27:31] <Logg> it's in /etc/apache2 bipul.
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129 [01:28:02] <Logg> bipul, /etc/ is where you'll find most of your config files
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133 [01:29:26] <Logg> oh he left. because it took more than 2 minutes to be answered.
134 [01:29:30] <Logg> smh
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144 [01:37:34] <merlac> he left after 37 seconds i dont think that this person does irc
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146 [01:38:32] <merlac> but maybe he just googled it instead :>
147 [01:39:13] <abrotman> or .. common sense
148 [01:39:22] <petemc> unlikely
149 [01:39:47] <petemc> thats in short supply
150 [01:40:04] <merlac> well common sense is a bit of a... stretch when talking about computers
151 [01:40:43] <petemc> that makes me short of breath, almost.. wheezy
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154 [01:42:36] <BobBarker> replaced-url
155 [01:42:49] <BobBarker> am I wrong or is the current sid kernel lacking installable headers?
156 [01:43:14] <petemc> its possible
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206 [02:17:44] <jak2000> how to upgrade debian jessie 8 to debian jessie 9?
207 [02:17:56] <jak2000> without erasing/formatting ?
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210 [02:19:02] <n4dir> jak2000: in short you change the file /etc/apt/sources list, run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade
211 [02:19:36] <n4dir> there are notes somewhere how to upgrade (which will tell about possible problems or stuff which might have changed or such. I never read them ... hence don't know)
212 [02:20:13] <n4dir> !jessie-stretch
213 [02:20:19] <n4dir> ! jessie-stretch
214 [02:20:22] <n4dir> damnit
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216 [02:21:02] <n4dir> ! jessie->stretch
217 [02:21:02] <dpkg> Read (at least) the upgrading chapter of the <release notes> replaced-url
218 [02:21:05] <n4dir> ta-da
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220 [02:22:08] <jak2000> thanks
221 [02:22:18] <jak2000> how many time take?
222 [02:22:22] <jak2000> so so
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224 [02:23:08] <n4dir> for me it usually didn't take long. say at maximum 20 minutes. might recall it wrong, but sure not an hour. assuming everything goes fine
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226 [02:24:13] <n4dir> jak2000: i never had problems, even without reading the release/upgrade notes. I think if one has a graphical chipcard like ndivia there is a bit more to it than simply editing and running the upgrade commands. i ain't got such hardware
227 [02:25:10] <n4dir> i would make sure to have an option/possibilty to ask in irc in case something goes south.
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229 [02:26:30] <n4dir> i once ended with a black screen after the menu of grub. folks here helped me to solve it in the blink of an eye :-)
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231 [02:26:40] <jak2000> backuping firrst
232 [02:27:16] <n4dir> :-)
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237 [02:31:37] <jak2000> i have some hoste sites?
238 [02:31:40] <jak2000> nameserver....
239 [02:31:45] <jak2000> is a problem?
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241 [02:32:38] <n4dir> i don't know
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262 [02:52:53] <jak2000> n4dir :)
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264 [02:53:08] <n4dir> yes?
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269 [02:57:13] <jmcnaught> it's so weird not to read the release notes. why wouldn't you want to know that information before upgrading?
270 [02:58:18] <n4dir> jmcnaught: i guess you are right. of course.
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308 [03:26:02] <likcoras> What should I look into to fix my keyboard light? It's supposed to turn white when wifi is enabled, and red when it's not.
309 [03:26:19] <likcoras> The light for sound mute/not muted woks fine, but not the wifi one.
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416 [04:45:25] <nirux> Hello, Under Debian 9 MATE, the connection would drop in 5 to 10minutes without errors, disconnect dialogs, Just traffic stops going through. Can somebody help me out?
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421 [04:50:36] <aloo_shu> nirux, what have you tried to make sure it's debian that's getting stuck, not the router, the connection to your ISP..
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423 [04:51:45] <aloo_shu> like, booted into a different OS, everything fine, other devices work ffine in the sam home network..
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431 [04:56:25] <nirux> aloo_shu, I wiped Debian 9 fully, and installed arch linux, which worked perfectly fine.
432 [04:56:39] <nirux> Then I wiped arch and reinstalled Debian 9, and the issue came back, ran arch for a day.
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434 [04:57:05] <nirux> No other devices in my house have the issue during the event.
435 [04:57:23] <nirux> it was fine on debian 9 but then 9.1 came around and each install has this problem.
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438 [04:58:50] <aloo_shu> not to give you false expectations, I'm not a debian geek, a bit of general linux
439 [04:59:56] <aloo_shu> I'd probably have ping 8.8.8.8 running in a terminal and try to watch when it's slowing/getting stuck
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444 [05:00:24] <aloo_shu> and top in another terminal to see if I can spot anything
445 [05:02:31] <nirux> top? the process monitor?
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448 [05:03:18] <aloo_shu> nirux like 5-10 min irc is also getting stuck, or are you browsing?
449 [05:03:37] <nirux> mobile tethering
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451 [05:03:58] <nirux> honestly planning on switching to Arch dualboot until I can find out the cause
452 [05:04:26] <aloo_shu> yep, top works like that. q to quit, man top to learn about it.
453 [05:06:32] <nirux> I've used top before. I like htop more.
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455 [05:07:00] <aloo_shu> mobile thethering, like me. I'd be tempted to blame that. mobile operators do strange things, routing different types of traffic to different ip's giving them differnt QoS (Quality of Service). It could be the combination of the two, deb 9.1 doing some thing that arch doesn't
456 [05:07:55] <aloo_shu> sorry if I'm merely assisting in guessing, if anyone knows better, join in
457 [05:08:47] <aloo_shu> but a dual boot setup would be a practical solution, if you are not very short of HD space
458 [05:09:40] <aloo_shu> I always have more than one linux partition in case I need one to fix the other.
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472 [05:21:43] <crucify_me> hi for the life of me I cannot get any configurations to hold in hexchat, like changing font size . (went into ~/.config/hexchat/hexchat.conf to attempt to change settings. its like it won't save.
473 [05:22:04] <crucify_me> they won't hold from the UI either.
474 [05:23:38] <aloo_shu> does your user have write permissions for the file/location?
475 [05:24:03] <crucify_me> its not requiring root aloo_shu
476 [05:24:31] <nirux> Tethering I use to be able to go online
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478 [05:24:46] <crucify_me> I save it in vim, then restart hexchat to no effect
479 [05:24:58] <Apteryx> Eh... Where is the 'kernel-package' package in Debian 9? It seems to be required to build the kernel the debian way.
480 [05:25:02] <crucify_me> nor does it work in the UI
481 [05:25:12] <Apteryx> *the GNU/Linux kernel
482 [05:25:30] <nirux> Apteryx, Download the Debian kernel package and install it?
483 [05:25:48] <crucify_me> should I , for one thing, delete the .xchat2 directory ? I couldn't install xchat on deb 9
484 [05:25:55] <aloo_shu> crucify_me and if you open the conf in vim immediately after saving it, before opening hexchat? just to make sure..
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486 [05:26:33] <crucify_me> opening it immediately after? what do you mean?
487 [05:26:47] <Apteryx> nirux: hmm. I'm trying to build a custom kernel from sources. I'm not following?
488 [05:26:50] <crucify_me> It's open in normal mode
489 [05:27:05] <jmcnaught> !kernel handbook
490 [05:27:05] <dpkg> The Debian Linux Kernel Handbook replaced-url
491 [05:27:10] <jmcnaught> Apteryx: ^
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493 [05:28:00] <crucify_me> aloo_shu, I'm trying it with sudo one moment pls
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496 [05:28:07] <aloo_shu> crucify_me open in vim, save, quit vim, op0en in vim, and see if the changes hold that far at least
497 [05:28:20] <crucify_me> ok trying that thanks
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500 [05:29:18] <Apteryx> jmcnaught: thanks for pointing me there. I guess this will make a difference: sudo apt build-dep linux
501 [05:29:25] <aloo_shu> there's more than 1 thing can go wrong w/ perms
502 [05:30:31] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: don't use sudo to edit user config files
503 [05:30:59] <crucify_me> jmcnaught,
504 [05:31:05] <crucify_me> oh just did oops
505 [05:31:47] <crucify_me> it did hold, now I would have to close my only chat app to see if it worked..?
506 [05:31:58] <crucify_me> the edit did hold
507 [05:32:50] <jmcnaught> that doesn't make any sense. did you make it so that root owned the file, or set it to read only?
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509 [05:33:37] <crucify_me> without closing hexchat, I went to the user preferences, the edit does not reflect there. no jmcnaught I never bother with ownership et al
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512 [05:34:52] <crucify_me> nothing in user preferences in the UI regarding font and setting the freenode server, etc, sticks
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514 [05:35:39] <crucify_me> can I try to edit the config from this text box with '/' commands?
515 [05:36:05] <aloo_shu> no
516 [05:36:05] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: then look at the permissions and ownership of the file with 'ls -l ~/.config/hexchat/hexchat.conf'
517 [05:36:07] <crucify_me> '/' I guess is only for nickserv stuff, right?
518 [05:36:19] <crucify_me> thanks one moment
519 [05:37:16] <crucify_me> jmcnaught, I have -rw-------
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521 [05:37:44] <crucify_me> jmcnaught, I have -rw------- 1 john john << correction
522 [05:38:14] <aloo_shu> found it then
523 [05:38:28] <crucify_me> I know nothing about that stuff but I just upgraded to 9 yesterday and installed hexchat today
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525 [05:38:46] <crucify_me> aloo_shu, suggestions?
526 [05:39:06] <crucify_me> do I need sudo, then restart hexchat?
527 [05:39:06] <aloo_shu> what's your username on your box
528 [05:39:23] <crucify_me> john
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530 [05:39:36] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: I don't use hexchat, but it's possible that it writes its configuration file every time it exits, so if you were editing it while it was running the changes may be lost when you restart
531 [05:39:37] <Apteryx> Will 'make deb-pkg' to build a kernel image uses multiple cores? It doesn't seem to stress my hardware much so far.
532 [05:40:01] <crucify_me> jmcnaught, isn't that absurd though?
533 [05:40:30] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: it's absurd to need to use sudo to edit a file in your $HOME, especially one that is owned by your user
534 [05:40:55] <crucify_me> I found irrssi difficult to configure, so I tossed it. I know sorry linux intimidates me. Im trying
535 [05:41:24] <crucify_me> what do you use jmcnaught
536 [05:41:30] <aloo_shu> jmcnaught it's not owned by his user, as the permissions show. would you kindly tell him how to chown it?
537 [05:41:40] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: no need to apologize, I'm just saying that sudo should have nothing to do with it. Becoming root to edit a file that you can already edit shouldn't change anything.
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540 [05:42:09] <Apteryx> I'm trying 'make -j deb-pkg', should build faster now ;)
541 [05:42:41] <jmcnaught> aloo_shu: what do you mean? '-rw-------' means read and write by owner
542 [05:43:02] <jmcnaught> Apteryx: I don't build my own kernels. 4.11 is in stretch-backports by the way
543 [05:43:27] <crucify_me> well anyway when I cat hexchat.conf the edit has held
544 [05:43:41] <Apteryx> jmcnaught: I'm building 4.14 wip with latest amdgpu commits.
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546 [05:44:05] <crucify_me> frustrating, jmcnaught should I use an easier chat client? wish limechat was written for linux
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548 [05:44:17] <aloo_shu> jmcnaught sorry, true
549 [05:44:20] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: try editing it again without sudo, and see if the changes hold. What editor are you using?
550 [05:44:23] <Apteryx> jmcnaught: I'm having strange CAFEDEAD ring 0 test failure error with amdgpu on one system (work on another one), so I figured I should try latest kernel to see if anything changed.
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552 [05:44:29] <crucify_me> vim
553 [05:45:13] <crucify_me> trying it with geany
554 [05:45:19] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: and you use ':w' to save the file in vim? vim will warn you if it can't write to the file
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556 [05:45:42] <crucify_me> yes :w as far as I can see its saving
557 [05:46:27] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: I would try it again then, without sudo. Just add a comment, save the file, then look for your comment in the file
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560 [05:47:18] <crucify_me> yeah it held maybe I need to restart hexchat
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562 [05:47:40] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: after restarting hexchat see if your changes are still there
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565 [05:47:58] <crucify_me> thanks kindly jmcnaught aloo_shu more drama later. getting kicked out of cafe thanks!
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567 [05:48:17] <jmcnaught> crucify_me: have a good night then ☺
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570 [05:49:22] <crucify_me> dang didn't work jmcnaught gotta try tomorrow peace out
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572 [05:50:38] <Apteryx> Ouch, make -j was a bit much (system froze, then gcc segfaulted, probably running out of memory)
573 [05:50:41] <aloo_shu> ccrucify_me thanx for the mention
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590 [06:09:01] <Apteryx> jmcnaught: Kernel compiled and installed :) Going to reboot that machine and try it out!
591 [06:09:05] <Apteryx> Thanks for your help :)
592 [06:10:07] <jmcnaught> Apteryx: no problem, I really just knew about that guide. glad you figured it out ☺
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594 [06:11:56] <Apteryx> It's very well written
595 [06:12:28] <Apteryx> And the best part... is that it boots fine and video works!
596 [06:12:38] <Apteryx> Have to comment on that bug...
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659 [07:15:16] <Yaser_Amiri> Hi guys! I want to hotplug an interface ( I'm using network manager)! how can I do it?
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704 [07:59:27] <veek> is there a way to run the installer like an app and install onto a partition
705 [07:59:51] <veek> and then put the bootloader/grub onto the usb mbr of the partition
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742 [08:31:15] <AciD`> hey guys
743 [08:31:37] <AciD`> I keep getting more and more 'ata2.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED' error message in syslog
744 [08:31:41] <AciD`> on my / partition
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746 [08:32:14] <AciD`> What would be the best practice to copy my current / to another disk?
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749 [08:32:48] <AciD`> live usb + `cp -a /mnt/rootDebian /mnt/newRootDebian`
750 [08:33:04] <AciD`> then somehow generate the UUID for the new root and change the fstab manually?
751 [08:33:36] <AciD`> update-grub and lastly, modify the bios in order to boot on the new disk?
752 [08:33:41] <AciD`> did I miss something?
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761 [08:44:44] <veek> AciD`, ddrescue
762 [08:45:15] <veek> check all the options it has.. you don't want to poll initially
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772 [08:51:59] <AciD`> veek -> would that allow me to transfer my current 20GB / part to a new 25GB one?
773 [08:52:36] <veek> it will create an image of your existing partition to the best of it's ability
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810 [09:14:37] <Marethyu> Hi all. I'm using Debian 9 Stretch and I installed bumblebee with the nouveau driver (by installing the packages bumblebee + primus). I've got an error when trying to use optirun : replaced-url
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813 [09:15:07] <Marethyu> I also read some guy on github saying that nouveau is no longer supported by bumblebee. Is that true ?
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829 [09:24:35] <shtrb> anyone with an IPhone had success with interacting with debian over Airdrop ?
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833 [09:25:33] <veek> what do you copy to /target/usr/bin for emulating amd64 under i386 on debian
834 [09:25:51] <veek> LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst qemu-x86_64-static /bin/bash can't run ls
835 [09:26:09] <veek> bash: /bin/ls: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error setup_frame: not implemented
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837 [09:26:38] <shtrb> veek , don't you wish to run the i386 version for 32bit ?
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839 [09:27:17] <veek> shtrb, nope other way.. i'm on i386 and want to install/stream amd64 to a usb parition
840 [09:28:02] <veek> SMP Debian 4.9.30-2+deb9u3 (2017-08-06) i686 is what i'm running now
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842 [09:29:13] <shtrb> I think you need to install multiarch and glibc:amd64 but I don't understand how it could work
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845 [09:30:20] <shtrb> veek - wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO
846 [09:30:22] <kj4> hello all
847 [09:31:00] <shtrb> isn't that nice , debain wiki links to ubuntu wiki
848 [09:31:24] <veek> multiarch is extending the existing amd64 to support i386 binaries..
849 [09:31:47] <veek> wine for example is mostly 32bit so
850 [09:32:46] <shtrb> yes , it was a guess but I assume you will need libc and others so it would be easier to install that way (instead copying files from different directly to /usr/)
851 [09:33:48] <veek> i installed the amd64 base pkgs into /mnt/debinst and i now need to chroot and run stuff in there
852 [09:34:03] <veek> replaced-url
853 [09:34:08] <veek> debootstrap
854 [09:34:45] <shtrb> wait , I think I have found something try passing --no-kvm to qemu
855 [09:35:21] <veek> ah yeah heh
856 [09:35:32] <shtrb> did it work ?
857 [09:35:46] <veek> i've been googling too.. how though? this is the cmd LANG=C.UTF-8 chroot /mnt/debinst qemu-ARCH-static /bin/bash
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860 [09:36:07] <veek> i've changed qemu-ARCH to x86
861 [09:36:40] <veek> not sure how chroot reds that static file??
862 [09:36:45] <veek> err reads
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864 [09:38:25] <veek> replaced-url
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871 [09:48:28] <veek> wonder how he generates that \x hex string
872 [09:48:42] <veek> od ?
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878 [09:52:58] <cha18> how do i run a php script? can't figure out how to install dokuwiki...
879 [09:53:18] <veek> php fname?
880 [09:53:50] <veek> generally it's invoked via apache
881 [09:53:54] <shtrb> cha18 php -f filename
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883 [09:56:29] <Meerkat> If I want to use xscreensaver instead of light-locker do I remove light-locker?
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885 [09:58:06] <veek> or just don't start it
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887 [09:58:27] <veek> but that'll involve hunting around
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890 [09:58:42] <Meerkat> better to remove it then?
891 [09:59:24] <veek> no idea what that is exactly so.. but yeah..
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898 [10:02:49] <Meerkat> All right! That worked. Now I'm not interrupted by this bug anymore replaced-url
899 [10:02:50] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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971 [11:05:20] <JCaesar> I have a question about the reproducible builds effort: In short: will a build that has a STRING(TIMESTAMP C4COPYRIGHT_YEAR "%Y") in its cmake file (and later puts that C4COPYRIGHT_YEAR variable into a header that is included everywhere) be reproducible?
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974 [11:06:23] <JCaesar> The background info is that we received a change request from pkern replaced-url
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978 [11:10:42] <JCaesar> (I hope I'm asking this in the right place.)
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984 [11:14:07] <darksifer> Hi everyone. I am using samba as Domain Controller. Everything works but I cannot deploy printers using the Print Management from Administrative Tools. I get the error "failed to query for the list of group policy objects linked to this container." It worked only once. No changes were made. I have been looking for a solution since yesterday. Kindly help please. Thank you
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988 [11:19:16] <pragomer> when trying to install "grub-customizer" I get error message from gdebi:
989 [11:19:26] <pragomer> Dependency is not satisfiable: libssl1.0.0
990 [11:19:39] <pragomer> can I simply download and install this from online?
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992 [11:20:04] <jelly> what is a "grub-customizer"
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994 [11:20:11] <tomreyn> pragomer: you could. you could also point a gun at your foot and pull the trigger.
995 [11:20:29] <tomreyn> i.e. you shouldnt
996 [11:20:54] <pragomer> for security reasons. understand. so would you have a solution for me?
997 [11:21:21] <tomreyn> that depends
998 [11:21:24] <tomreyn> what is a "grub-customizer"
999 [11:21:46] <pragomer> replaced-url
1000 [11:22:10] <pragomer> I already tried to do setting manually but did not have much sucess.
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1002 [11:22:18] <pragomer> I think grub2 is very hard to configure.
1003 [11:22:40] <shtrb> pragomer , wrong channel
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1005 [11:22:41] <pragomer> just want to edit these entries Windows Loader on /dev/sda bla bla.. and so on into e.g. "Windows
1006 [11:22:43] <tomreyn> this is an ubuntu PPa
1007 [11:22:56] <shtrb> use vim to edit the conf and that it
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1009 [11:23:08] <pragomer> I am on the right channel as I use debian for years now and just want a solution for customizing grub
1010 [11:23:09] <jelly> pragomer: ideally you'd build the software from sources
1011 [11:23:39] <jelly> pragomer: if there's a repo, you might try doing a
1012 [11:23:41] <pragomer> I thought about building it and creating a deb file. but wouldnt I have the same dependency problem while building?
1013 [11:23:42] <tomreyn> pragomer: don't use ubuntu packages on debian, though, especially not from incompatible releases.
1014 [11:23:43] <jelly> !package rebuild
1015 [11:23:43] <dpkg> 1) Add a <deb-src> line for your current release to your sources.list 2) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential devscripts fakeroot; aptitude -R build-dep packagename 3) as any user, apt-get source packagename 4) cd packagename-version/; ask me about <debian/rules>; 5) dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us 6) as root, dpkg -i ../packagename-version.deb. Ask me about <debian/rules>, <nocheck>, <nostrip>, <apt-get source>.
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1017 [11:24:23] <jelly> pragomer: no. You might have a different dependency problem while building, but not the exact same one
1018 [11:24:52] <tomreyn> pragomer: your time would best be spendt on understanding grub. it's not as hard as it may seem at first, and folks around here could assist.
1019 [11:25:33] <shtrb> pragomer : just edit /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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1021 [11:26:58] <tomreyn> shtrb: this file will get overwritten, it'd be better to edit the files it gets generated from IMO
1022 [11:27:13] <shtrb> I know that why I said it will be erased next upgrade
1023 [11:27:40] <shtrb> os-prober will erase create the same content each time
1024 [11:27:48] <tomreyn> hmm i dont see you saying that before.
1025 [11:27:58] <shtrb> oops
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1027 [11:28:14] <pragomer> but isnt grub.cfg overwritten when doing update-grub ?
1028 [11:28:42] <shtrb> it does , os-probe will read your disk and see Windows blabla on disk X
1029 [11:29:10] <tomreyn> pragomer: yes, so the windows chaninloading configuration (which is what you would like to edit) is automatically generated upon update-grub by calling os-prober.
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1031 [11:29:37] <shtrb> but because os-probe will get the same result next time it will erase what ever data you do
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1033 [11:29:43] <shtrb> unless you edit os-probe
1034 [11:30:41] <tomreyn> pragomer: if you make a copy of this chainload configuration, uninstall os-prober (so there will be no more windows lines in grub), then add the chainloading stuff for windows manuall in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and customize it to your needs, then i think you'll have achieved what you wante3d.
1035 [11:30:41] <shtrb> os-prober is just a script
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1038 [11:31:15] <jelly> /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober doesn't really look easy to customize
1039 [11:31:49] <Xenogenesis> Customize it with root perms
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1044 [11:34:10] <pragomer> it really isnt easy to customize
1045 [11:34:19] <Xenogenesis> Why?
1046 [11:34:32] <tomreyn> pragomer: instead of editing /etc/grub.d/40_custom - which is a bit complicated, too, since you would need to write a script that generates a grub menuentry, not just the menuentry itself, you could choose this option instead, making it really easy: just copy the windows menuentry from your current /boot/grub/grub.cfg to /boot/grub/custom.cfg , modify it to your needs and uninstall osprober.
1047 [11:35:16] <tomreyn> * os-prober
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1049 [11:35:32] <pragomer> but I want also to change the linux entry
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1051 [11:35:47] <pragomer> so I can also remove 10_linux then?
1052 [11:35:58] <pragomer> (after I copied it to custom) ?
1053 [11:36:30] <pragomer> omg.. you see.. it isnt really easy :-)
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1056 [11:38:13] <tomreyn> pragomer: it's not easy since you didn't specify the full set of changes you'd like to accomplish ;)
1057 [11:38:40] <tomreyn> pragomer: why do you need to edit this stuff anyways, if you dont mind asking?
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1059 [11:39:14] <pragomer> ok. Setting bigger font (framebuffer things etc.), customize colors and etries of menu and setting a background. thats it ;-)
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1061 [11:39:59] <tomreyn> for the grub menu or for when the kernels boot?
1062 [11:40:11] <pragomer> so I really think a little gui tool for this would be great for everybody, not just for beginners.
1063 [11:40:16] <pragomer> grub menu
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1066 [11:41:39] <pragomer> so what would be the better and more right way: editing the scripts under /etc/grub.d/ OR editing grub.cfg ?
1067 [11:41:43] <tomreyn> hmm i really think you should try to understand how the files in /etc/grub.d/ work then, since it's not that difficult to understand.
1068 [11:42:03] <tomreyn> editing grub.cfg is definitely wrong, it wont persist
1069 [11:42:42] <pragomer> ok so my entry for windows is "Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda1"
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1072 [11:43:12] <tomreyn> are you into shell scripting? bash scripts?
1073 [11:43:35] <Xenogenesis> I am \o/
1074 [11:43:41] <Xenogenesis> But only c :/
1075 [11:43:42] <pragomer> when opening 30_os-prober what do I have to change: replaced-url
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1081 [11:44:47] <drooly> I want to connect an internal hard drive in my homeserver to my desktop, both hang on the same router, both run linux (debian on the server, archlinux on the client).
1082 [11:44:58] <drooly> What is the best software for this?
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1086 [11:47:39] <tomreyn> drooly: "mount"
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1088 [11:48:25] <tomreyn> are you saying you want to make contents of the homeserver HDD available on the network?
1089 [11:48:34] <drooly> yes.
1090 [11:48:42] <tomreyn> what kind of content?
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1092 [11:48:50] <drooly> media, html.
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1094 [11:49:01] <tomreyn> so data stored on a file system, i assume?
1095 [11:49:11] <drooly> erm, yes.
1096 [11:49:35] <jolt> drooly: I would use nfs whenver linux is involved.
1097 [11:50:10] <jolt> drooly: Like this: replaced-url
1098 [11:50:21] <drooly> ok, is it safe to use it without encryption, can i make it safe so it is absolutely not touchable by the outside world? that server does serve the world, too.
1099 [11:50:28] <tomreyn> drooly: you can choose between sftp, sshfs, nfs, samba, webdav and a couple other protocols
1100 [11:50:47] <tomreyn> * ftp also
1101 [11:50:51] <drooly> actually i'd been using sshfs for a long time and wanted to get away from it.
1102 [11:50:56] <jolt> drooly: That's why you have firewalls! Just allow the ports for NFS from your client IP/network interface
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1104 [11:51:00] <drooly> isn't samba a windows thing?
1105 [11:51:07] <jolt> drooly: Originally
1106 [11:51:20] <jolt> But now it's really cifs
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1108 [11:51:38] <drooly> so samba is opensource? and "not bloated" (admittedly vague term)
1109 [11:52:01] <tomreyn> better use nfs
1110 [11:52:05] <jolt> drooly: It's very open source. The guy behind rsync originally did it to connec to windows machines
1111 [11:52:22] <drooly> jolt: that sounds cool, i'll keep it in mind.
1112 [11:52:23] <jolt> drooly: but not it's the defacto standard for file sharing between different os'es
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1114 [11:52:51] <jolt> drooly: All NAS'es out there are all running samba/cifs
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1116 [11:53:23] <drooly> i'd been trying with nfs today, but either can't find a proper tutorial, or something else is wrong... i'm trying to use nfs v4 without encrypt (=kerberos), possible?
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1118 [11:54:03] <jolt> drooly: If you don't need kerb, then run v3
1119 [11:54:14] <drooly> ah.
1120 [11:54:21] <jolt> drooly: The tutorial I linked should do the trick
1121 [11:54:37] <drooly> yes, i'll look at it.
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1123 [11:54:45] <jolt> drooly: get it to work first, then look into enhancing
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1125 [11:55:19] <drooly> so it's not discouraged to not use kerberos in my usage scenario?
1126 [11:56:23] <tomreyn> you can use kerberos, it's just complex to configure and maintain
1127 [11:56:32] <drooly> the vultr tutorial is very short and does not differentiate between nfs v4 and v3? how to achieve v3 without kerberos?
1128 [11:57:15] <jolt> drooly: vers=3
1129 [11:57:17] <jolt> in the options
1130 [11:57:39] <jolt> (in the mount options that is)
1131 [11:58:00] <jolt> drooly: I think v4 will work just fine as long as you do the basic config per the arcticle
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1133 [11:59:19] <tomreyn> i think so, too
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1135 [11:59:25] <tomreyn> no need for vers=3
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1139 [12:01:53] <drooly> hmm, ok, will try again. about firewall/router: which ports do i need to open, and which protocols? sorry to ask, there seems to be some differences between versions, and i have not (yet) found the relevant article (debian wiki nfs from 2009).
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1142 [12:03:16] <tomreyn> drooly: do you have a firewall running between those two systems? are they on different networks?
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1144 [12:05:00] <tomreyn> put easier: do homeserver's and desktop's IP(v4) addresses only differ behind the last dot?
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1150 [12:06:20] <jolt> drooly: tcp/udp --dports 10053,111,2049,32769,875,892
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1165 [12:09:02] <drooly> jolt: both machines run ufw, and the router has port forwarding but i'm 99% sure that only applies to external requests.
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1168 [12:09:34] <drooly> i guess you quoted iptables syntax, i'll just try with these ports opened on both sides for in- and out
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1179 [12:13:45] <drooly> jolt & tomreyn: i forgot to mention i'm running oldstable, i.e. jessie on my server.
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1181 [12:14:06] <jolt> drooly: Doesn't matter, it has been the same for the past 30 years :)
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1187 [12:15:28] <tomreyn> drooly: you'd best first understand what your network architecture is before reconfiguring your firewall.
1188 [12:17:09] <Xenogenesis> ok so i'm having the problem with my key again. I was told "there is no official key for the following key id ED05F7B2EC3C9224" after running "sudo apt-get update"
1189 [12:17:46] <Xenogenesis> i can't find this key in any major keyservers
1190 [12:17:48] <tomreyn> nbo *official* key? is there an inoffocial key then?
1191 [12:18:00] <Xenogenesis> i think so
1192 [12:18:10] <Xenogenesis> but how can i get rid of it?
1193 [12:18:25] <tomreyn> i think you just misquoted the message that was displayed on screen
1194 [12:18:38] <Xenogenesis> i didn't
1195 [12:18:48] <Xenogenesis> the key id is right
1196 [12:18:56] <Xenogenesis> but i translated the rest to english
1197 [12:19:06] <Xenogenesis> so it might not be the exact message
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1199 [12:19:25] <tomreyn> "There is no public key available for the following key IDs:" would be the default english language string printed there
1200 [12:19:48] <Xenogenesis> but idc about the string right now
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1204 [12:20:00] <Xenogenesis> i need to fix the key somehow
1205 [12:20:03] <tomreyn> the apt repository which is signed with this key should provide you with the signing key
1206 [12:20:19] <tomreyn> or rather its maintainers should
1207 [12:20:42] <Xenogenesis> how can i find out which repo it is and where are the keyservers for it?
1208 [12:21:20] <tomreyn> the line before or after that line should say which repository this message refers to
1209 [12:21:45] <Xenogenesis> Ign replaced-url
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1212 [12:22:21] <tomreyn> yes, could be that
1213 [12:22:44] <Xenogenesis> but i can't find it as keyserver
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1217 [12:24:01] <tomreyn> you could "contact our support staff" replaced-url
1218 [12:25:00] <Xenogenesis> what if i change the repo?
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1220 [12:25:15] <tomreyn> change? how?
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1222 [12:26:11] <Xenogenesis> by editing the sources
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1224 [12:27:39] <tomreyn> sure, you could remove this repositry and thus prevent packages you installed from there to get (security?) updates. this would prevent the warnings from showing.
1225 [12:28:13] <vktec> I regularly get 100% disk usage from logs. The culprit is sslh, but none of its logging options seem to be changing anything. I'm suspecting it's outputting logs on stdout or stderr and systemd is capturing that and sending it to syslog. Is there a way I can stop systemd from capturing std{out,err}? (preferably without modifying the service file, since that could get overwritten during upgrades)
1226 [12:28:39] <tomreyn> Xenogenesis: if you don't need the packages you installed form there i'd suggest you both remove those packages and remove that repository.
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1229 [12:30:31] <tomreyn> vktec: what is sslh and what is it that it i s logging so much?
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1233 [12:31:36] <tomreyn> okay i just learnt about sslh
1234 [12:32:17] <tomreyn> i'd just try to understand why it's logging so much, though, and try to reduce that.
1235 [12:32:59] <tomreyn> maybe it's a bug in sslh?
1236 [12:33:49] <vktec> I've tried changing the logging options to no avail
1237 [12:34:38] <vktec> I think the logging options change sslh's output to syslog when in daemon mode, but not its output to std{out,err} when in foreground mode (which is what the included service file runs it in)
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1242 [12:39:11] <tomreyn> sorry i can't personally help there since i don't actually know the software.
1243 [12:40:22] <vktec> Maybe I'll just make an alternate service file
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1245 [12:40:41] <vktec> But first, time to rm some logs! :P
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1250 [12:44:34] <ychaouche> Hello #debian
1251 [12:44:44] <ychaouche> anyone knows what's reading /etc/aliases.db ?
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1254 [12:49:00] <sonOfRa> ychaouche: mail servers may read it
1255 [12:49:29] <ychaouche> I restarted my mail server but it seems it is still reading from and old cache or something
1256 [12:49:50] <ychaouche> Basically I changed my machine name from A to B, but I still get mail from / to root@A
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1258 [12:49:56] <ychaouche> the old name
1259 [12:50:04] <ychaouche> (or old alias I guess)
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1262 [12:50:10] <Alexbleks> We live in a society where pizza gets to your house before the police.....
1263 [12:50:39] <tomreyn> did you order both at the same time and checked which one arrives first?
1264 [12:52:16] <tomreyn> ychaouche: if you run postfix, run postalias to refresh the /etc/aliases.db database.
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1266 [12:52:35] <ychaouche> tomreyn: oh thanks
1267 [12:52:38] <ychaouche> I was running postmap
1268 [12:53:24] <tomreyn> welcome
1269 [12:53:55] <ychaouche> still old name used.
1270 [12:53:59] * ychaouche restarts postfix
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1272 [12:54:45] * ychaouche same :(
1273 [12:55:00] * ychaouche tries a postfix reload
1274 [12:55:31] * ychaouche still same
1275 [12:55:45] <tomreyn> force-reload. but actually postfix would do all of this byitself nowadays. you may have old (deferred?) mail in the mail spool
1276 [12:56:03] <tomreyn> run postqueue
1277 [12:57:08] <ychaouche> tomreyn: no I'm actually testing by sending mail as root from the command line with the mail command
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1279 [12:57:26] <ychaouche> oh... maybe the mail command is reading from another file ?
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1282 [12:59:07] * ychaouche what's /etc/mailname doing there ?
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1290 [13:01:30] <tomreyn> maybe you should start by learning the very basic operation and configuration of your mail server
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1292 [13:02:31] <ychaouche> thanks tomreyn
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1311 [13:12:51] <Xenogenesis> tomreyn, there were no packages
1312 [13:12:56] <Xenogenesis> i did an update
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1322 [13:19:20] <tomreyn> Xenogenesis: i do not understand the message you are trying to convey with these two statements. condiser providing more context.
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1324 [13:19:31] <tomreyn> *consider
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1351 [13:35:21] <Antares> Кому нужен ISO образ CDDA The Prodigy - Always Outnumbered, Never Outgunned replaced-url
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1359 [13:41:09] <merlac> i need a strong Mic boost in order to be loud enough for Discord voice chat. is there a standard solution?
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1361 [13:42:28] <merlac> creative sb vx 5.1
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1400 [14:04:16] <aura> Is it possible to encrypt a disk that already contains files?
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1409 [14:10:45] <dontknow> aura, not with luks
1410 [14:11:09] <dontknow> i am not sure about truecrypt though
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1418 [14:16:36] <merlac> i need a strong Mic boost in order to be loud enough for Discord voice chat. is there a standard solution? (creative sb vx 5.1 pcie sound card)
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1458 [14:59:25] <guardian> hello. I have a question about etckeeper. I was using it happily until I noticed systemd .service files are not stored in /etc. What's in /etc are just symlink. As such etckeepr doesn't track changes in there
1459 [14:59:35] <guardian> is there something to do about it?
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1467 [15:04:10] <Epakai> guardian: use supplemental directories for modifications, see replaced-url
1468 [15:05:00] <moonlight> excuse me, is there a channel to discuss about kali linux, or can i do it here?
1469 [15:05:10] <abrotman> moonlight: they have their own channel
1470 [15:05:28] <moonlight> dunno which is it
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1472 [15:06:02] <abrotman> dpkg: tell moonlight about kali
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1475 [15:06:40] <moonlight> thx
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1501 [15:24:33] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1503 [15:25:08] <D33P_B00K> replaced-url
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1508 [15:30:26] <e2> spam
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1514 [15:31:28] <McErroneous> Hi, i am looking for an "download-time"-calculator , is there such in the debian repository ?
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1517 [15:35:20] <e2> it is in repro
1518 [15:35:30] <e2> calulator
1519 [15:35:45] <e2> simple calk
1520 [15:37:31] <tomreyn> McErroneous: do you mean a software which calculates an estimated download duration based on available bandwidth?
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1539 [15:51:23] <israfel> Some interesting videos from debconf 17 here: replaced-url
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1541 [15:53:41] <e2> great job
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1543 [15:54:52] <McErroneous> tomreyn: Yes..
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1557 [16:06:21] <abrotman> McErroneous: there are plenty of download managers that do that, as do many browsers
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1578 [16:17:12] <tomreyn> McErroneous: you could use a web service like this replaced-url
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1585 [16:18:43] <abrotman> I'm still not entirely sure what he's trying to calculate
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1590 [16:22:22] <tomreyn> theoretical file transfer time based on line speed / available bandwidth, TCP overhead and file size, i guess
1591 [16:22:32] <tomreyn> replaced-url
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1595 [16:24:08] <abrotman> or is he asking to estimate current downloads?
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1597 [16:24:21] <abrotman> or just a straight "speedtest" like ookla
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1599 [16:24:40] <McErroneous> abrotman: Do you have an free example for a "download manager" that would calculate "download-time" ?
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1602 [16:25:16] <abrotman> McErroneous: Could you describe what you're actually looking for?
1603 [16:25:37] <abrotman> I mean, even the download managers in FF and Chromium have an ETD
1604 [16:25:45] <McErroneous> abrotman: dont make thing complicated, you got my point ....
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1606 [16:26:41] <McErroneous> tomreyn abrotman : I am not looking for an online service
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1608 [16:27:22] <McErroneous> just want to calculate the time requiered for a file to download at X-Speed..
1609 [16:27:36] <abrotman> a calculator?
1610 [16:28:11] <abrotman> no joke ... replaced-url
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1618 [16:34:36] <McErroneous> abrotman: , okay, that was not what i was looking for, but your hint got me to just calculate it myself and compare the result with google results..., thx so far..
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1622 [16:35:53] <abrotman> McErroneous: I thought you were after a download manager that would show you the ETD
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1624 [16:35:58] <abrotman> (as an active calculation)
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1626 [16:37:27] <shtrb> tomreyn , it sound like a homework task
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1635 [16:43:01] <HyP3r> Hey ho, as I talked already yesterday evening xrdp and x11vnc are not working on my Debian Stretch machine. Now I troubleshooted the logs and found this:
1636 [16:43:22] <HyP3r> replaced-url
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1638 [16:43:39] <e2> fatal error
1639 [16:43:41] <HyP3r> I'm working now with linux more than 10 years and what the heck is org.a11y.atspi.Registry
1640 [16:44:05] <HyP3r> The At-Spi2 Core package is a part of the GNOME Accessibility Project. It provides a Service Provider Interface for the Assistive Technologies available on the GNOME platform and a library against which applications can be linked.
1641 [16:44:21] <tomreyn> shtrb: yes, could be.
1642 [16:44:23] <HyP3r> Well yes... a server project (debian) needs a fucking Accessibility Project
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1644 [16:45:00] <HyP3r> The funny thing: I can't unisntall it because it has a hard dependency to gnome and I can't disable it because gnome is crashing when its not executable o.O
1645 [16:45:23] <Apteryx> Good morning! I'd like to reconfigure grub to use an older but customized kernel I just built. How do I do that?
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1648 [16:48:08] <Apteryx> Oh, I think the problem is that the kernel was *already* in grub. It got updated in-place since it's the same version.
1649 [16:48:20] <Apteryx> So I should be able to boot it by selecting the older entry.
1650 [16:50:17] <Apteryx> My next question is: what is the best way to use a newer kernel in Debian 9 (stable)? I don't want to have to apply security patches and recompile manually. Can I enable some repo for that?
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1653 [16:50:38] <themill> HyP3r: debian is not a server project. If you're installing gnome, you're not installing a server.
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1659 [16:54:03] <HyP3r> themill: and what if my server needs a graphical interface (xorg) for rendering something?
1660 [16:54:30] <themill> why would a server need xorg and why would it need gnome?
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1664 [16:56:04] <themill> (I'd prefer to address your actual support problem but I can't find it in between your hyperbole and attempts to assert clue(lessness))
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1667 [16:56:16] <apollo13> HyP3r: leaving all that aside, if you choose gnome you will get assistive technologies, imo that is a good thing -- that said for xvnc and what not you probably want something else like xfce maybe?
1668 [16:57:10] <apollo13> or even something simpler, not sure why you'd want something like gnome which in my experience doesn't work that well over vnc anyways
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1680 [17:08:23] <VladimirTrump> anyone uses irssi ?
1681 [17:08:34] <Apteryx> I used to. Now I'm on weechat.
1682 [17:08:37] <VladimirTrump> I don't want my scrollback do be trunkated at all, so I set "scrollback_lines = 0", now should I set also "scrollback_time" to anything or what ?
1683 [17:08:55] <VladimirTrump> I mean are those 2 options depend on each other ?
1684 [17:09:05] <Apteryx> I have no idea, sorry :/
1685 [17:09:20] <Apteryx> Is it not explained in the doc?
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1687 [17:09:44] <VladimirTrump> "explained in the doc", its explained, but its explained by hackers for hackers
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1689 [17:09:52] <VladimirTrump> I mean short and shallow
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1691 [17:10:04] <VladimirTrump> simple words and short phrases
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1693 [17:10:47] <VladimirTrump> I think requirements to understand irssi documentation is first you need to read its source code and understand it
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1696 [17:11:32] <Apteryx> VladimirTrump: OK. I had a quick look here: replaced-url
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1701 [17:12:40] <Apteryx> It seems that scrollback_lines = 0 is what you want, I agree scrollback_time is not very clear.
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1703 [17:13:07] <VladimirTrump> yes, I know how scrollback_lines = 0 works, I want to know how they both depent on each other
1704 [17:13:13] <Apteryx> You could try asking the irssi folks in #irssi channel.
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1706 [17:13:30] <VladimirTrump> I spent last 20 minutes doing so, and then came here
1707 [17:13:36] <Apteryx> Aha, OK.
1708 [17:13:39] <VladimirTrump> they are silent
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1710 [17:13:57] <VladimirTrump> or don't think its worth their time to explain it
1711 [17:14:10] <Apteryx> Have you tried scrollback_time = 0 ? Might disable it (infinite history).
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1714 [17:14:43] <VladimirTrump> yes I use it, but I want to know should I also do something with scrollback_time after that or not
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1716 [17:15:06] <Apteryx> But I think if you use scrollback_lines = 0 this setting doesn't make much sense.
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1718 [17:15:50] <VladimirTrump> because I want to be sure, I may leave IRC client running for a month and when I come back I don't want to find out that all history is gone
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1720 [17:17:56] <Apteryx> The doc/code shows scrollback_time will be enabled even when using scrollback_lines = 0.
1721 [17:19:03] <Apteryx> So you do have to set some valid value for it. I'm not sure there's a way to have infinite history with irssi other than setting scrollback_lines = 0 *and* a huge value for scrollback_time, such as 999999year
1722 [17:19:20] <Apteryx> if this is a valid value (not sure ;)
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1728 [17:21:26] <Apteryx> I saw at least one config showing scrollback_time = 0. That may be the way.
1729 [17:21:31] <Apteryx> See: replaced-url
1730 [17:22:20] <Apteryx> So your best bet is this: scrollback_lines = 0 *and* scrollback_time = 0.
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1733 [17:24:32] <abrotman> VladimirTrump: just use logging like everyone else?
1734 [17:26:02] <Apteryx> abrotman: Good suggestion :) I think it was on by default using weechat.
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1741 [17:32:36] <hexhaxtron> I want to hide processes from other users and I found this command to do it:
1742 [17:32:37] <hexhaxtron> # mount -o remount,rw,hidepid=2 /proc
1743 [17:32:39] <VladimirTrump> abrotman: I want read scrollback inside irssi with all colors and highlights, I know about logging
1744 [17:32:53] <hexhaxtron> Will this cause any problem to users currently logged in?
1745 [17:33:18] <VladimirTrump> why you want to hide them ?
1746 [17:33:42] <hexhaxtron> VladimirTrump: privacy concerns.
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1748 [17:34:15] <abrotman> Sounds like the users should have privacy concerns ..
1749 [17:34:42] <hexhaxtron> abrotman: is it safe to run that command?
1750 [17:35:07] <hexhaxtron> Without creating problems to users currently in the system?
1751 [17:35:13] <abrotman> hexhaxtron: this seems like a "try it and see"
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1754 [17:35:20] <hexhaxtron> I'll try. :)
1755 [17:35:24] <abrotman> maybe try on a VM first
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1758 [17:36:10] <hexhaxtron> Awesome!
1759 [17:36:14] <hexhaxtron> No problems it seems.
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1761 [17:36:36] <SirLagz> why is my XFCE on Stretch opening some windows on the wrong monitor =/
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1764 [17:38:57] <SirLagz> or opening windows *under* other windows
1765 [17:39:05] <SirLagz> window behaviour seems odd.
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1784 [17:50:16] <HyP3r> apollo13: Ok I'll try XFCE
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1795 [17:53:34] <HyP3r> replaced-url
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1800 [17:55:56] <a0z> hi, i'm having a problem with apt/dpkg. when i do "apt update" it says 1 package is upgradeable, but when i "apt upgrade" it says '0 upgraded'
1801 [17:56:06] <a0z> i'm on unstable btw
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1805 [17:57:40] <SirLagz> a0z: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
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1807 [17:58:04] <a0z> SirLagz: same thing, says 0 upgraded
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1809 [17:58:28] <SirLagz> a0z: can you paste the output somewhere?
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1813 [17:59:04] <a0z> ok, gimme a sec
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1820 [18:00:38] <g0zzy> replaced-url
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1822 [18:01:03] <a0z> replaced-url
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1826 [18:03:07] <SirLagz> a0z: oh, you're using apt, not apt-get
1827 [18:03:19] <SirLagz> oh wiat, never mind. you use apt-get at the end
1828 [18:03:28] <SirLagz> a0z: interesting. Not sure then...
1829 [18:03:49] <a0z> i have two systems running unstable, the other one is fine
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1833 [18:05:11] <a0z> do you think i should install aptitude to see if that program can solve the problem?
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1838 [18:06:18] <SirLagz> a0z: do you need to compile anything to do with the kernel right now?
1839 [18:07:04] <HyP3r> apollo13: works pretty pretty good thanks
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1848 [18:12:14] <a0z> SirLagz: i think the package was installed as a dependency when i installed virtualbox (this system is a laptop)
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1851 [18:12:39] <SirLagz> a0z: well if you don't need it, it's not a problem...probably safe to ignore it not being updated.
1852 [18:12:53] <a0z> ok, thanks
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1859 [18:16:06] <VladimirTrump> when was last time crytical vulnerability been found in debian 9.0 ?
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1861 [18:16:21] <VladimirTrump> also how many were found in debian 8.0 ?
1862 [18:16:31] <petn-randall> !tracker of doom
1863 [18:16:31] <dpkg> The Tracker of Doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the Debian security team, viewable at replaced-url
1864 [18:16:34] <VladimirTrump> for entire history of debian 8.0
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1866 [18:16:49] <petn-randall> VladimirTrump: You can look it up in the tracker above.
1867 [18:17:09] <VladimirTrump> thanks
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1870 [18:18:35] <petn-randall> VladimirTrump: Debian usually scores fairly high compared to other distros/Windows, because we have over 50,000 packages in stable.
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1872 [18:18:53] <petn-randall> In absolute number of CVEs affecting Debian, that is.
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1887 [18:28:03] <TaurusSilver> hello\
1888 [18:28:17] <TaurusSilver> Whats my ip?
1889 [18:28:39] <abrotman> 192.168.1.1
1890 [18:28:47] <teraflops> !ping TaurusSilver
1891 [18:28:47] * dpkg tolls a 5-meter-bell over TaurusSilver's head
1892 [18:28:50] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: /whois TaurusSilver
1893 [18:28:50] <TaurusSilver> thats my gateway
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1895 [18:29:24] <TaurusSilver> !ping TaurusSilver
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1897 [18:29:27] <a0z> 17:27 -!- TaurusSilver [~0minutes@172.58.140.176] has joined #debian
1898 [18:29:28] <TaurusSilver> doesnt work
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1901 [18:29:33] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: seriously, do you think your question has sense?
1902 [18:29:43] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: just whois yourself, WTF does this have to do wiht Debian?
1903 [18:29:45] <TaurusSilver> see?Why are you asking that?
1904 [18:29:53] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: Do you need help with Debian?
1905 [18:29:57] <TaurusSilver> yes
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1907 [18:30:11] * abrotman waits for a Debian question ...
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1911 [18:30:51] <TaurusSilver> ...
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1913 [18:31:40] <TaurusSilver> How does one use modprobe on debian
1914 [18:31:46] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: man modprobe
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1916 [18:32:23] <Henry151> lol would modprobe even ever be used to find your own IP?!?
1917 [18:32:34] <TaurusSilver> no
1918 [18:32:40] <Henry151> XD
1919 [18:32:46] <TaurusSilver> why
1920 [18:32:59] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: same as in any other linux distro, still waiting for a debian question…
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1922 [18:33:24] <guardian`> does someone know which /etc/logrotate.d/nginx cares about /etc/logrotate.d/httpd?
1923 [18:33:46] <TaurusSilver> no
1924 [18:34:12] <abrotman> guardian`: the logrotate conf files shouldn't be concerned with other logrotate config files
1925 [18:34:13] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: are you a bot?
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1927 [18:34:24] <TaurusSilver> no
1928 [18:34:49] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: lala lele llili lulu?
1929 [18:34:51] <TaurusSilver> no
1930 [18:34:52] <jolt> Actually, the nginx-logrotate file does check if /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate exists
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1932 [18:34:56] <teraflops> ok bot
1933 [18:34:59] <TaurusSilver> no
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1935 [18:35:06] <TaurusSilver> lmao jk
1936 [18:35:39] <TaurusSilver> jokes aside i am human?
1937 [18:35:57] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: Knock it off
1938 [18:36:00] <jolt> guardian`: No idea why, haven't looked at it before. It checks if the dir httpd-prerotate exists, and if it does it runs that first. Never seen it
1939 [18:36:04] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: this is a Debian support channel
1940 [18:36:07] <Henry151> I just looked at /etc/logrotate.conf and logrotate is interesting, I didn't know it existed
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1944 [18:37:00] <jolt> Henry151: It's good, otherwise you would probably had full disks faster
1945 [18:37:02] <TaurusSilver> is there a decent networkmanager for debian?
1946 [18:37:07] <TaurusSilver> besides nmcli
1947 [18:37:11] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: many, what are your requirements
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1949 [18:37:37] <BluesKaj> a seudo-bot in Chicago
1950 [18:37:47] <TaurusSilver> seudo-bot?
1951 [18:37:52] <Henry151> pseudo*
1952 [18:38:10] <BluesKaj> oops pseudo
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1954 [18:38:29] <TaurusSilver> why are you mentioning a pseudo bot?
1955 [18:38:29] <Henry151> can't forget that silent P
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1957 [18:38:54] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: If you want a social/chat channel, please try #debian-offtopic or ##chat
1958 [18:38:54] <Henry151> TaurusSilver: what desktop environment/window manager are you using? There is likely a recommended gui network manager available
1959 [18:38:58] <BluesKaj> it was joke , just like yours
1960 [18:39:10] <TaurusSilver> I am using GNOME 3
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1962 [18:39:20] <TaurusSilver> as a desktop envirionment
1963 [18:39:33] <abrotman> so why not use network-manager in Gnome3?
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1965 [18:39:57] <Henry151> TaurusSilver: replaced-url
1966 [18:40:02] <TaurusSilver> it crashes everytime i use a VPN
1967 [18:40:17] <TaurusSilver> Segmentation fault
1968 [18:40:18] <abrotman> There are sub-packages for nm-gnome that you may need to install
1969 [18:40:19] <apollo13> which VPN and be more specific with crash
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1971 [18:40:57] <shtrb> TaurusSilver , visit a service or build a web page that will show the client ip
1972 [18:40:59] <TaurusSilver> FinchVPN << brand name of VPN
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1974 [18:41:15] <apollo13> TaurusSilver: forgets brands, which technology is it using?
1975 [18:41:17] <abrotman> TaurusSilver: using which subsystem? ipsec? cisco? do you know?
1976 [18:41:24] <TaurusSilver> Openvpn
1977 [18:41:47] <apollo13> mhm, openvpn plugin usually works just fine -- please install the dbgsym packages and get a traceback
1978 [18:41:53] <TaurusSilver> ok
1979 [18:42:05] <abrotman> And you have the network-manager-openvpn-gnome installed?
1980 [18:42:07] <teraflops> if it's a paid service I bet the offer support
1981 [18:42:21] <shtrb> TaurusSilver , are you using cert based openvpn conf ?
1982 [18:42:25] <apollo13> teraflops: for a segfault in network-manager-openvpn? hardly :D
1983 [18:42:26] <TaurusSilver> yes
1984 [18:42:34] <shtrb> sometimes users forgot to convert windows to non windows format
1985 [18:42:37] <shtrb> dos2unix
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1987 [18:42:55] <apollo13> shtrb: the openvpn gui doesn't use the config file -- it uses it's own file
1988 [18:42:55] <teraflops> apollo13: we dont know what TaurusSilver did
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1991 [18:43:20] <shtrb> apollo13 , I assume he just droped a file (that how my users usually do )
1992 [18:43:21] <TaurusSilver> Should i do a fresh install again?
1993 [18:43:34] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: nope
1994 [18:43:39] <shtrb> did you use get a file and just used it in nm ?
1995 [18:43:55] <teraflops> TaurusSilver: but describing your issue accurately should help
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1997 [18:44:18] <BluesKaj> TaurusSilver, make sure the .ovpn and cert files are located in / etc/openvpn
1998 [18:44:25] <apollo13> shtrb: I do not see any way to import and openvpn file from the nm gui
1999 [18:44:31] <apollo13> ah down there
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2001 [18:44:37] <TaurusSilver> ok
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2003 [18:44:54] <apollo13> if he is using the gui /etc/openvpn will not be touched at all
2004 [18:45:04] <apollo13> network manager stores in dconf or so
2005 [18:45:14] <apollo13> or /etc/NetworkManager/*
2006 [18:46:18] <BluesKaj> yeah, I forgot about that, because I don't use network-manager
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2008 [18:46:59] <teraflops> NM applet has an import menu for openvpn
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2011 [18:47:18] <apollo13> TaurusSilver: anyways, does the import of the config work or does it fail there already?
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2014 [18:47:24] <apollo13> or is it when you try to connect?
2015 [18:47:32] <BluesKaj> TaurusSilver, ignore my suggestion :-)
2016 [18:47:55] <TaurusSilver> ok
2017 [18:47:55] <TaurusSilver> /msg
2018 [18:47:55] <TaurusSilver> anis l
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2022 [18:48:10] <shtrb> what just happened ?
2023 [18:48:18] <TaurusSilver> idk
2024 [18:48:23] <apollo13> you tried to paste something in here
2025 [18:48:28] <apollo13> do not do that, use a pastebin
2026 [18:48:40] <TaurusSilver> i didnt paste anything
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2029 [18:49:04] <apollo13> well freenode kicked you for writing to much -- dunno what you actually did
2030 [18:49:11] <agent905803423> hallo dear community, i have a question about a script with openssl
2031 [18:49:23] <TaurusSilver> what exactly did i paste?
2032 [18:49:34] <apollo13> I do not know, you got kicked before that
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2034 [18:49:39] <apollo13> just saw: <TaurusSilver> /msg
2035 [18:49:39] <apollo13> <TaurusSilver> anis l
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2071 [19:03:37] <guardian`> re
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2073 [19:04:43] <guardian`> abrotman, jolt: I'm sorry, I wanted to write "WHY" is /etc/logrotate.d/nginx concerned about /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate
2074 [19:04:51] <guardian`> httpd means apache right?
2075 [19:06:29] <jolt> guardian`: I have no idea. I was also surprised
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2078 [19:07:25] <guardian`> k
2079 [19:07:26] <guardian`> :)
2080 [19:07:40] <jolt> guardian`: Well, maybe you want to run awstats or whatever before you rotate your logs, then you could add that in /etc/logrotate.d/httpd-prerotate
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2082 [19:07:45] <jolt> and it would do that for you
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2084 [19:07:57] <jolt> Which seems nice regardless of which http software you use
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2086 [19:08:14] <jolt> guardian`: So in this case I assume httpd means "any webserver"
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2088 [19:09:39] <jmcnaught> that file actually belongs to the awstats package
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2097 [19:13:50] <guardian`> k
2098 [19:13:52] <guardian`> I see
2099 [19:13:55] <guardian`> thanks for the answer, appreciated
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2102 [19:15:24] <VladimirTrump> where is TaurusSilver gone ?
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2107 [19:18:06] <BluesKaj> think he's at his vpn server support page
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2113 [19:20:49] <VladimirTrump> that is how you deal with unwanted people here, just send them away ?
2114 [19:21:02] <nix64bit> apollo13: hi
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2119 [19:22:34] <BluesKaj> VladimirTrump , no he left very abruptly on his own accord
2120 [19:22:46] <shtrb> VladimirTrump who said he is unwanted ?
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2122 [19:22:56] <VladimirTrump> I saw everything
2123 [19:23:21] <BluesKaj> he was cooperative after being warned
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2129 [19:25:25] <shtrb> I can't see a message saying he left the room
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2133 [19:26:07] <shtrb> he is still here ...
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2139 [19:27:43] <shtrb> anyone found a way to use airdrop against debian ?
2140 [19:27:47] <shtrb> *have a way
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2158 [19:38:51] <VladimirTrump> airdrop ?
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2160 [19:39:03] <shtrb> yes
2161 [19:39:29] <shtrb> Propierty protocol that resemble AdHoc with meth
2162 [19:39:50] <a0z> from apple.com: With AirDrop, you can instantly share your photos, videos, locations, and more with other Apple devices nearby.
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2164 [19:39:59] <shtrb> yes
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2167 [19:41:31] <shtrb> VladimirTrump , think of beam but over WiFi and closed
2168 [19:41:40] <shtrb> *Anrdoid Beam
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2170 [19:42:28] <abrotman> against, or with?
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2172 [19:42:33] <shtrb> with
2173 [19:42:47] <shtrb> or against , one side an evil iphone the other a debian machine
2174 [19:42:55] <abrotman> so you want to use file sharing with your other deivces?
2175 [19:43:06] <abrotman> or specifically airdrop?
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2177 [19:43:18] <shtrb> not just filesharing , I wish to specifically use AirDrop
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2179 [19:44:05] <shtrb> aloo_shu :D
2180 [19:44:10] <aloo_shu> or call it walled garden
2181 [19:44:33] <shtrb> I'm trying to throw a rope to the garden over the wall
2182 [19:44:45] <Apteryx> What is the best option to use a newer kernel in Debian stable?
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2185 [19:45:04] <Apteryx> Is there a repo that would maintain say 4.12 or 4.13 somewhere?
2186 [19:45:06] <shtrb> Apteryx , backports ?
2187 [19:45:20] <Apteryx> I tried 4.11 from backports... Didn't work with amdgpu (R9 285) :(
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2190 [19:45:28] <abrotman> judd: kernels
2191 [19:45:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1+b1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports:
2192 [19:45:31] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
2193 [19:45:54] <aloo_shu> shtrb as opposed to breaking the wall
2194 [19:45:56] <Apteryx> 4.9 doesn't work too. The only one that works so far is 4.14-wip compiled by my own.
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2196 [19:46:20] <Apteryx> But I want to remove myself from the maintenance equation ;)
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2198 [19:46:33] <aloo_shu> but I can't help, keep trying
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2200 [19:47:09] <shtrb> Apteryx , is that thing even supported ?
2201 [19:47:35] <Apteryx> You mean 4.14-wip? It's not. It's just a work in progress branch by one of the AMD devs I think.
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2204 [19:47:58] <Apteryx> And it happen to make my card R9 285 happy with the amdgpu driver (it gives me video! yay!)
2205 [19:48:24] <Apteryx> Otherwise I get a black screen and GPU fails to init errors in dmesg (looked it up via SSH).
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2209 [19:52:57] <VladimirTrump> Apteryx: why you choose AMD over Nvidia ?
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2211 [19:53:15] <Apteryx> VladimirTrump: It has a bright future. Future is the keyword here.
2212 [19:53:47] <VladimirTrump> feature
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2216 [19:54:34] <Apteryx> I hate proprietary nvidia drivers breaker the user experience, such as when the system starts it breaks the splash screen, sometimes virtual tty don't work, sometimes it will break on an update, etc.
2217 [19:54:36] <VladimirTrump> Apteryx: is there AMD card as powerful as GTX 1080ti ?
2218 [19:54:39] <Apteryx> *breaking
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2221 [19:56:13] <Apteryx> I haven't followed the newest cards, but maybe Polaris would be something to look at. Vega is not out yet IIUC.
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2224 [19:56:50] <Apteryx> The drivers are free software but they require proprietary blobs. Still, better than nvidia.
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2230 [19:58:17] <catbehemoth> hi I am trying to join Ad following AuthenticatingLinuxWithActiveDirectory on the wiki, net ads join went fine, I modified nsswitch,conf to add winbind but getent passwd donest return domain users. Can anyone help?
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2232 [19:59:16] <shtrb> did you do kinit ?
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2237 [20:00:17] <Apteryx> VladimirTrump: Apparently nothing as performant as a 1080ti at this time, but keep an eye on Vega.
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2239 [20:00:45] <shtrb> catbehenoth , realm you kinit against is case sensitive against what you declared in krb
2240 [20:00:54] <abrotman> driver-situatoin > performance IMO
2241 [20:00:55] <catbehemoth> just did, still no AD users on getent shadow and id ADUser doesn't work either
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2243 [20:01:54] <shtrb> did you remember to start winbind / samba ?
2244 [20:01:59] <catbehemoth> shtrb: I did kinit no arguments and it asked for Administrator@AD.DOMAIN (all caps) and I have it the same in krb5.conf
2245 [20:02:12] <shtrb> if you run klist it show correctly ?
2246 [20:02:12] <catbehemoth> shtrb: it is started wbinfo -u works
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2248 [20:02:27] <catbehemoth> but its getent passwd that only shows local users
2249 [20:02:43] <jhutchins> catbehemoth: Check the AD server, see what it thinks is happening.
2250 [20:03:03] <catbehemoth> I got winbind enum users = Yes in smb.conf
2251 [20:03:05] <shtrb> make sure klist show you the cached session
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2253 [20:03:45] <shtrb> wait , are you really trying to init a connection as an admin ?
2254 [20:04:09] <catbehemoth> the guide says to get initial ticket with admin
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2256 [20:04:46] <shtrb> your AD need to allow admin connections
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2258 [20:05:09] <catbehemoth> in any case kinit ADUser also works and I get the tickcet (see it with klist)
2259 [20:05:26] <shtrb> and getent is suppose to give you LOCAL info
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2262 [20:05:53] <catbehemoth> only thing that doesnt seem to work is getent shadow, on arch and ubuntu I get AD users with getent as well
2263 [20:06:35] <catbehemoth> I mean getent group etc
2264 [20:06:52] <shtrb> catbehemoth , does the pam modules are listed in the same order ?
2265 [20:06:56] <_rubik> Hey all. I'm having trouble getting this thumb drive to be writable. For whatever reason it's read only.
2266 [20:07:25] <catbehemoth> shtrb: let me check
2267 [20:07:33] <shtrb> _rubik , dmesg | tail after replugging it and paste it on some paste site
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2269 [20:07:57] <shtrb> catbehemoth , it could be that your pam modules are not used (hence the can't list it )
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2273 [20:09:07] <_rubik> shtrb: replaced-url
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2275 [20:09:28] <catbehemoth> shtrb: pam-auth-update config has kerberos selected, but nothing about winbind
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2279 [20:10:43] <catbehemoth> shtrb: crap libpam-winbind isnt installed, think I found the problem
2280 [20:11:05] <shtrb> :D
2281 [20:11:07] <shtrb> nice
2282 [20:11:07] <aloo_shu> _rubik pendrives are mostly vfat, that hasn't permissions
2283 [20:11:33] <shtrb> that a 64 gb too big for a vfat
2284 [20:11:43] <shtrb> * I think it's too big for a vfat
2285 [20:11:45] <aloo_shu> so _rubik they may get mounted ro for the user as a protect
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2288 [20:13:04] <catbehemoth> shtrb: ok even with libpam_winbind installed and turned on in pam-auth-update config still nothing getent group doesnt show AD groups and id ADUser returns no such user
2289 [20:13:06] <Ormu> hello, is this bug worth reporting, and if it is, do you think it's Xfce bug or something related to X11 or GPU drivers? Basically, fonts sometimes (rarely) get distorted immediately after login. replaced-url
2290 [20:13:09] <Apteryx> I'm building 4.12.7 from kernel.org now. We'll see!
2291 [20:13:23] <Ormu> :O
2292 [20:13:29] <shtrb> catbehemoth , can you perform any action against the AD ?
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2294 [20:13:43] <BluesKaj> or not see... the desktop :-0
2295 [20:13:51] <aloo_shu> dirty workaround sudo mount -o remount,rw , sudo yourfilemanager& good luck, _rubik
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2297 [20:14:01] <aloo_shu> worth a shot
2298 [20:14:20] <catbehemoth> shtrb: wbinfo -u -g and -P work
2299 [20:14:40] <aloo_shu> place to really fix is probably udev rules
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2301 [20:15:05] <_rubik> StathisA: So what you two are saying is that I should format it with a different partition?
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2303 [20:15:53] <catbehemoth> shtrb: net ads info also returns info and net ads status -U ADUser also works
2304 [20:16:12] * shtrb googling about catbehemoth issue
2305 [20:16:31] <_rubik> shtrb: ^^
2306 [20:16:46] <shtrb> _rubik , no
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2308 [20:17:29] <shtrb> catbehemoth after installing the module did you restart winbind / samba ?
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2310 [20:17:55] <shtrb> never mind ignore
2311 [20:17:55] <catbehemoth> I did
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2313 [20:18:35] <_rubik> shtrb: you just said 64gb is too large for a vfat?
2314 [20:19:09] <catbehemoth> nsswitch.conf has passwd: compat winbind and passwd: compat winbind and winbind enum users = yes winbind enum groups = yes in smb.conf
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2316 [20:20:14] <aloo_shu> _rubik, look where your pendrive is mounted, that is, the path that shows in your file browser, like .../media/5679-7578/
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2319 [20:20:58] <_rubik> aloo_shu: Yes... I am there.
2320 [20:21:14] <aloo_shu> _rubik, then in a terminal, do mount and find the line that refers to your pendrive
2321 [20:21:16] <shtrb> catbehenoth , google says this can be caused if on the AD a user is lacking unix attributes
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2324 [20:22:09] <_rubik> aloo_shu: I know where it is mounted. What are you getting at?
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2331 [20:22:59] <aloo_shu> _rubik the mount options etc, is it mounted ro or rw, and what filesystem is it after all
2332 [20:23:02] <luv> hiya, running into the same problem on two jessie servers i have here
2333 [20:23:14] <luv> first login to ssh after reboot takes several seconds
2334 [20:23:15] <luv> tehn
2335 [20:23:20] <catbehemoth> shtrb: unix attributes are deprecated since something like server 2012
2336 [20:23:27] <luv> then it works fine (even after resetting sshd)
2337 [20:23:36] <luv> it's stuck on debug1: Connecting to 192.168.0.38 [192.168.0.38] port 22 for seconds
2338 [20:23:43] <luv> another systemd hiccup?
2339 [20:23:44] <shtrb> catbehemoth , sorry , that was I found so far
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2341 [20:24:17] <aloo_shu> _rubik with do mount I want to say type the command mount
2342 [20:24:20] <jmcnaught> luv: check your logs?
2343 [20:24:24] <abrotman> luv: Reverse DNS issues?
2344 [20:24:31] <_rubik> aloo_shu: It is RO. Which brings us back to the initial issue. I guess it's being mounted Read only?
2345 [20:24:31] <luv> jmcnaught: did i not?
2346 [20:24:40] <abrotman> luv: are you using an external auth system?
2347 [20:24:49] <luv> abrotman: I dried UseDNS no already
2348 [20:24:55] <luv> nope
2349 [20:24:58] <luv> tried
2350 [20:24:59] <luv> :)
2351 [20:25:08] <aloo_shu> _rubik we're one step further
2352 [20:25:21] <abrotman> luv: put the sshd logging into verbose or debug, try again
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2354 [20:25:45] <luv> yeah ... "systemctl stop ssh" ... "/usr/sbin/sshd -D -d" .... nothing useful
2355 [20:25:52] <luv> so it's not a known issue, ok
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2357 [20:26:06] <aloo_shu> _ now type sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/whateveritisforyou
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2359 [20:26:52] <aloo_shu> _rubik now type sudo mount -o remount,rw /dev/whateveritisforyou, e.g. sdb1
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2361 [20:27:29] <aloo_shu> _rubik then mount again to see if it's rw now
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2363 [20:27:59] <luv> so!
2364 [20:28:09] <luv> strace .... it's stuck in select for several seconds
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2366 [20:28:21] <luv> so i assume systemd is f$!4321$cking up with the socket??
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2369 [20:30:19] <shtrb> luv , file a bug
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2374 [20:32:15] <catbehemoth> shtrb: GOT IT!!!! apt-get install libnss-winbind, libnss-winbind was installed by default before but not anymore
2375 [20:32:32] <catbehemoth> shtrb: now all works :D
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2378 [20:33:41] <jmcnaught> luv: what's in the logs on the server when this is happening?
2379 [20:34:55] <shtrb> catbehemoth that's a bug !
2380 [20:35:06] <luv> jmcnaught: journalctl -f ?
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2383 [20:35:45] <luv> jmcnaught: or something in particular?
2384 [20:35:48] <jmcnaught> luv: that's only going to show you the last few lines of the log and then follow it in real time. You need to see earlier than that
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2386 [20:36:08] <jmcnaught> specifically you need to look at logs for the time that you are unable to connect
2387 [20:36:29] <catbehemoth> shtrb: what do you mean? should libnss-winbind be a dependency of winbind? you dont necessarily need libnss-winbind if you dont use it for local authentication, no?
2388 [20:36:36] <luv> ofcourse im gonna run that before i try to connect
2389 [20:36:42] <luv> that goes without saying :)
2390 [20:37:31] <jmcnaught> luv: how long does this problem persist after booting? where are you logging into to run journalctl to watch an ssh login?
2391 [20:37:43] <shtrb> if my spacebar use to heat my laptop braking this workflow is a bug :D
2392 [20:38:02] <luv> i connected a keyboard and a screen to the server just because of this
2393 [20:38:03] <shtrb> xkcd 1172
2394 [20:38:27] <_rubik> aloo_shu: It is still RO
2395 [20:38:30] <luv> it occurs only the first time i try to ssh to the box after a reboot
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2397 [20:39:30] <jmcnaught> luv: it always happens on the first ssh connection attempt no matter how long you wait after boot?
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2399 [20:40:04] <luv> ok, let's give it five minutes after boot now just to be sure
2400 [20:40:41] <aloo_shu> _rubik, possible misunderstanding: mount again was meant as type mount too look, not unmount and mount i.e.from yor file browser. what was the pendrive's filesystem?
2401 [20:42:08] <_rubik> aloo_shu: I tried using HFS, but not sure if that is correct.
2402 [20:42:22] <catbehemoth> can someone help me with sudo? I want domain admins to be able to sudo without passwd so I added "%domain admins" ALL=(ALL:ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL and it all works, then I want members of directors group to be able to sudo too with passwords so I added "%directors" ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL but if I have a domain admin in directors group as well it asks for passwd, how can I make it so that domain admins has priority over
2403 [20:42:25] <catbehemoth> directors?
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2407 [20:43:28] <shtrb> catbehemoth , are you sure you wish to have ALL ?!
2408 [20:43:29] <jmcnaught> luv: 'systemd-analyze blame' and 'systemd-analyze critical-chain ssh' might be worth looking at. journalctl also has a --since option that might be useful for you as well
2409 [20:43:45] <aloo_shu> _rubik getting nearer. and does the mount command show it is hfs? or hfs+ ?
2410 [20:44:05] <catbehemoth> shtrb: for now yes, Ill restrict it later on, now I am just setting it up, restrictions come later
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2412 [20:44:31] <_rubik> aloo_shu: fdisk -l reports HFS/HFS+
2413 [20:45:11] <luv> let's try
2414 [20:45:39] <luv> yeah takes a long time even after waiting 5 minutes after boot
2415 [20:45:41] <aloo_shu> if you do not have much on it, move to another filesystem
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2417 [20:46:18] <aloo_shu> if not, there would be some steps you'd better do from macosx
2418 [20:46:28] <luv> nothing interesting in journalctl output
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2421 [20:46:52] <aloo_shu> _rubik if you do not have much on it, move to another filesystem
2422 [20:46:57] <aloo_shu> if not, there would be some steps you'd better do from macosx
2423 [20:47:53] <_rubik> aloo_shu: I think I may try W95 Fat32 unless you have other suggestions
2424 [20:48:19] <shtrb> _rubik , but why ?!
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2426 [20:48:43] <_rubik> shtrb: .... another other suggestions?
2427 [20:49:02] <shtrb> ext4 ?
2428 [20:49:21] <shtrb> your favorite fs ?
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2430 [20:49:30] <aloo_shu> ext2 if any, journalling wears out flash
2431 [20:49:46] <aloo_shu> but ext2 no good support no more
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2433 [20:50:42] <aloo_shu> _rubik, whatever type of fat is suggested, fat32 sounds fair
2434 [20:51:03] <_rubik> shtrb: ext4 wears out thumb drives very fast. I want to avoid that on a 64gb drive.
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2436 [20:51:30] <shtrb> aloo_shu , because who needs files over 4 gb
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2440 [20:52:04] <aloo_shu> _rubik and hfs+ the same unless you turn journalling off
2441 [20:52:48] <_rubik> Ahh I may have found the issue with w95 fat32. When mounting I get "/dev/sdc1 is write protectd
2442 [20:53:52] <aloo_shu> shtrb there are fat types w/o that limit, but I not recall exactly which
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2447 [20:55:06] <_rubik> for ext4, what partition table should I contiue with, GPT?
2448 [20:55:45] <aloo_shu> _rubik, if you're trying out things anyway, use ext4 and then, in a terminal, type man tune2fs to figure how to turn off journalling
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2454 [20:59:22] <aloo_shu> _rubik better mbr still
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2457 [21:00:02] <_rubik> aloo_shu: Finally! Ok it's now RW.
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2460 [21:00:27] <aloo_shu> at least under linux this works
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2462 [21:00:59] <_rubik> aloo_shu: Yes. Next step, getting one working on both osx and linux
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2464 [21:01:44] <aloo_shu> try to turn off journalling, as suggested, _rubik , 'cause that's what is wearing out the drive
2465 [21:02:58] <aloo_shu> _rubik, as for macosx, if you're lucky, it works, if not, look for a tool for ext on osx, or it's back to some flavour of fat
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2468 [21:04:18] <aloo_shu> _rubik you could type man mount in a mac terminal to learn if ext4 is supported natively by now
2469 [21:04:40] <luv> alright, it's a networking issue
2470 [21:04:48] <luv> same problem with ping
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2475 [21:07:26] <luv> i have the network interface as hotplug and not "auto"
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2478 [21:09:43] <guardian`> nowadays, what's recommended for exim4? split or unsplit conf?
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2490 [21:14:59] <jolt> guardian`: whatever works for you I would say. Split is probably more common
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2492 [21:15:39] <jolt> That being said, I've been using a single file since forever
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2496 [21:18:15] <luv> umm maybe it's my switch
2497 [21:18:20] <luv> sorry guys for off-topic :)
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2499 [21:19:14] <Antares> replaced-url
2500 [21:19:15] <guardian`> jolt: I had the impression split was the default, but I just booted a fresh stretch and dpkg-reconfigure exim4-configure highlights "no" by default on the split/unsplit page
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2510 [21:28:43] <guardian> re
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2531 [21:37:20] <agent32479817349> :P
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2548 [21:45:25] <xar-> hello
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2550 [21:47:04] <xar-> trying to update jessie, get this error: replaced-url
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2554 [21:47:45] <jmcnaught> !basic apt troubleshooting
2555 [21:47:46] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
2556 [21:47:48] <abrotman> xar-: and when you try to install libpam-systemd ?
2557 [21:47:58] <shtrb> jessie to what ?
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2559 [21:48:06] <xar-> jessie to jessie, just updating packages
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2561 [21:49:09] <xar-> abrotman: haven't tried that, shall I?
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2566 [21:53:01] <xar-> here you go jmcnaught
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2568 [21:53:04] <xar-> replaced-url
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2572 [21:54:08] <xar-> looks like i messed up the last paste section, but lemme know if that's enough or i can redo it
2573 [21:55:08] <teraflops> xar-: is this a vps?
2574 [21:55:28] <xar-> da
2575 [21:55:41] <teraflops> da?
2576 [21:55:56] <Antares> yes
2577 [21:56:00] <Antares> Да
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2582 [21:56:48] <teraflops> xar-: vps privider repos have different package versions
2583 [21:57:16] <teraflops> I also do not get why you have 2 jessie lines
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2586 [21:58:23] <teraflops> unless hetzner repos have custom stuff, which idk
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2589 [21:59:25] <xar-> ok
2590 [21:59:29] <Ghostman> Hola
2591 [22:00:07] <xar-> ich werde erforschen
2592 [22:00:11] <xar-> thanks
2593 [22:00:21] <teraflops> xar-: idk, did you change your sources list lately?
2594 [22:00:41] <xar-> no, just normal update
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2596 [22:00:47] <xar-> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
2597 [22:00:50] <jmcnaught> xar-: what happened when you tried to install libpam-systemd? I also wonder what "apt-get -s dist-upgrade" would show
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2600 [22:01:07] <teraflops> xar-: then idk from where was your systemd package installed
2601 [22:01:11] <xar-> I was not confident, I will install now
2602 [22:01:17] <xar-> (libpam-systemd)
2603 [22:02:16] <xar-> nope
2604 [22:02:20] <Ghostman> how to install jabber on kali linux?
2605 [22:02:26] <teraflops> ask them
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2607 [22:02:57] <Antares> psi-plus
2608 [22:03:33] <Antares> replaced-url
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2610 [22:04:20] <Antares> sudo apt install psi-plus try
2611 [22:04:21] <xar-> replaced-url
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2615 [22:06:04] <xar-> the system seems very confused
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2625 [22:11:41] <teraflops> xar-: again, idk about your vps, is it new, did you update it before? does it come with that very version of systemd?
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2628 [22:12:03] <teraflops> also they are supposed to offer support unless they are a shitty vps provider
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2641 [22:17:47] <ArlecchinoSec> !kali
2642 [22:17:47] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
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2646 [22:21:34] <xar-> teraflops: it's been running no problem for over a year, try to do updates once a month, this looks like an OS issue, not something I could approach their support team about
2647 [22:21:55] <teraflops> no idea then, sorry
2648 [22:22:01] <ArlecchinoSec> !kali
2649 [22:22:01] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
2650 [22:22:25] <xar-> no problem
2651 [22:23:10] <xar-> I can't be the first in #debian that has observed a circular dependency problem, I find that hard to believe
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2654 [22:25:13] <jolt> xar-: document it all and create a bug on it?
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2666 [22:28:44] <jolt> xar-: did you try and dpkg -i systemd_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb libsystemd0_215-17+deb8u7_amd64.deb and libpam-systemd at the same time? Sometimes I have been able to upgrade all of the mentioned packaged with dpkg (on a single line) and then done apt from there
2667 [22:28:54] <xar-> jolt: funny
2668 [22:28:56] <abrotman> xar-: did you somehow mix sources?
2669 [22:28:58] <xar-> jolt: I think I just fixed it ha
2670 [22:29:06] <xar-> replaced-url
2671 [22:29:21] <xar-> this post said to do a `apt-get -f install` with no package arguments
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2673 [22:29:50] <xar-> so I did that, and it pulled in systemd systemd-sysv systemd-ui and libpam-systemd
2674 [22:29:54] <jolt> Your first post also did that
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2678 [22:30:52] <jolt> xar-: "You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these" from your first dpaste alsp says to not have any more args :D
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2680 [22:31:13] <jolt> Well well, glad you fixed it. I'm off to bed
2681 [22:31:14] <xar-> I didn't know I could run that without agruments
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2684 [22:31:39] <xar-> now it broke at the linux-image, so new problem, but... "progress"
2685 [22:31:42] <xar-> thank you jolt
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2687 [22:32:42] <xar-> replaced-url
2688 [22:33:00] <xar-> unable to securely remove '/boot/System.map-3.16.0-4-amd64.dpkg-new': Read-only file system
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2690 [22:33:05] <xar-> it hates me
2691 [22:33:29] <xar-> it simply hates me.
2692 [22:33:30] <petn-randall> xar-: Debian does not stand in the way if you want to shoot yourself in the foot.
2693 [22:33:49] <xar-> is that what has happened, i've shot myself in the foot?
2694 [22:34:24] <teraflops> idk what happened here to be honest
2695 [22:34:35] <xar-> i'm just trying to update && upgrade lol...
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2697 [22:34:45] <petn-randall> Sounds like you're trying hard to get both feet at once :)
2698 [22:34:50] <teraflops> no, prior to the current state of things
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2702 [22:36:20] <teraflops> also unless your VPS is not KVM it's worth pointing it out while describing the issue
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2704 [22:36:39] <teraflops> unless it's KVM^
2705 [22:38:47] <petn-randall> xar-: "Read-only file system" ... that's your issue.
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2707 [22:39:26] <xar-> ok so /boot is ro
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2709 [22:40:00] <xar-> replaced-url
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2712 [22:40:27] <xar-> section D.3.4.2 said to use the 'ro' option
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2714 [22:40:49] <xar-> /dev/XXX /boot ext3 ro,nosuid,nodev 0 2
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2718 [22:41:54] <petn-randall> Here is a *sample* you can modify to suit. It doesn't mean to take that verbatim.
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2722 [22:42:23] <teraflops> xar-: is it full?
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2725 [22:43:57] <xar-> I'm a dumb end user, question, with systemd, is that an expectation that /boot will always need to be 'rw', in which case, it is possible that documentation should be updated to reflect that
2726 [22:44:24] <petn-randall> xar-: That has *zero* to do with systemd.
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2729 [22:44:54] <xar-> s/systemd/whatever triggered the error, linux-image package/
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2731 [22:45:11] <teraflops> xar-: again, what kind of vps is this?
2732 [22:45:25] <teraflops> openVZ? KVM? Xen?
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2734 [22:45:38] <xar-> teraflops: boot has space, not sure
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2736 [22:45:48] <xar-> i will unmount/remount boot with the proper flag
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2738 [22:46:18] <teraflops> e.g you cannot install kernels on the guest on openvz VPSs
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2740 [22:46:39] <petn-randall> xar-: What type of machine did you rent at Hetzner?
2741 [22:46:49] <teraflops> if you think is fine try remounting it as rw
2742 [22:46:59] <xar-> I did, it didn't fail
2743 [22:47:07] <xar-> hooray
2744 [22:47:11] <teraflops> try installing the kernel again
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2746 [22:47:57] <xar-> petn-randall: not sure i have to look at the website, but I have full control of the environment
2747 [22:48:21] <teraflops> xar-: uname -r, what does it say?
2748 [22:48:22] <xar-> it worked, setting rw on /boot was successful
2749 [22:48:35] <xar-> 3.16.0-4-amd64
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2751 [22:48:40] <teraflops> jessie?
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2753 [22:49:04] <teraflops> it doesnt look like openvz for sure
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2755 [22:49:12] <xar-> I used debootstrap
2756 [22:49:15] <xar-> that link from earlier
2757 [22:49:32] <xar-> which is why section D.3.4.2 bit me
2758 [22:49:40] <teraflops> when did you use debootstrap?
2759 [22:49:53] <xar-> back in 2016 when I first built the system
2760 [22:49:59] <teraflops> ah, ok
2761 [22:50:07] <apollo13> and in the meantime never upgraded the kernel? XD
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2763 [22:50:38] <xar-> I don't think debian updates the kernel that much, I'm not sure
2764 [22:50:59] <abrotman> "that much" is relative
2765 [22:51:38] <xar-> I pay attention to the news, if there was something critical I would have jumped in and addressed it
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2767 [22:51:52] <xar-> but yes it is relative
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2770 [22:52:22] <xar-> i'm also on the mailing lists I think, so I get updates that way as well
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2775 [22:53:47] <petn-randall> I'm assuming that machine hasn't been getting security updates since 2016 then ...
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2778 [22:54:11] <teraflops> he did not paste sources.list irrc
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2780 [22:54:17] <teraflops> iirc^
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2782 [22:54:54] <xar-> there's a pretty restrictive iptables policy, and no HTTP exposed, the attack surface (i think that's the epxression) is low
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2785 [22:55:26] <xar-> thank you for the assistance, on to the next error!
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2787 [22:55:44] <xar-> ( teraflops petn-randall jolt abrotman and jmcnaught )
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2789 [22:55:52] <teraflops> np
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2792 [22:56:17] * xar- whipsers that debootstrap document should still be updated :P
2793 [22:57:00] <xar-> i'm a dumb end user, I realize now it says sample, but I couldn't write that myself, nor do I understand all the directives, it should say 'rw' for boot in my esteemed novice opinon
2794 [22:57:10] <teraflops> having old as hell machines helps sometimes, we have a bunch of centos 3 machines at work, and wannacry did not affect them because samba was too old :P
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2801 [22:58:48] <xar-> if I recall
2802 [22:58:49] <apollo13> teraflops: centos 3? are you working in the chip industry?
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2804 [22:59:03] <xar-> centos predates rpm, does it not?
2805 [22:59:08] <abrotman> no
2806 [22:59:09] <xar-> s/centos/centos 3/
2807 [22:59:10] <cluelessperson> jesus, debian's samba package is hella old
2808 [22:59:13] <teraflops> apollo13: nah, I work for public administration
2809 [22:59:14] <xar-> I mean yum
2810 [22:59:18] <abrotman> no
2811 [22:59:19] <cluelessperson> 2.5 versus current 4.*
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2813 [22:59:31] <teraflops> xar-: we did not suggest such thing, and maybe the documentation is outdated, not the first time sadly
2814 [22:59:32] <petn-randall> ,v samba
2815 [22:59:33] <judd> Package: samba on amd64 -- wheezy: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u7; wheezy-security: 2:3.6.6-6+deb7u13; wheezy-backports: 2:4.1.17+dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u6; jessie-security: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7+b1; jessie-proposed-updates: 2:4.2.14+dfsg-0+deb8u7+b1; stretch: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2; stretch-proposed-updates: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2+deb9u1+b1;
2816 [22:59:33] <apollo13> teraflops: oh, they would at least be allowed to upgrade their machines, lazy admins? :
2817 [22:59:34] <judd> sid: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-8; buster: 2:4.6.5+dfsg-8
2818 [22:59:46] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: I don't think you're looking at the right Debian.
2819 [22:59:47] <teraflops> apollo13: I can assure you we are not lazy :P
2820 [22:59:48] <xar-> if I recall, rhel 3 boxes I used to manage, didn't have yum, it was awful
2821 [23:00:01] <abrotman> xar-: you mean RH3 or RHEL3?
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2823 [23:00:14] <cluelessperson> petn-randall: what do you mean?
2824 [23:00:29] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: It's 4.5.8 in stretch, I don't know where you see samba 2.5.
2825 [23:00:46] <apollo13> petn-randall: the version started with 2: which probably confused cluelessperson
2826 [23:00:54] <cluelessperson> petn-randall: my samba installed shown by dpkg was 2.5
2827 [23:00:58] <xar-> uhh lemme think, it was called taroon
2828 [23:01:04] <xar-> or nahant, i forget
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2830 [23:01:24] <xar-> it was bad, PTSD makes it hard to remember
2831 [23:01:29] <cluelessperson> root@sequoia:~/samba-4.6.7/source4# apt-cache madison samba
2832 [23:01:30] <cluelessperson> samba | 2:4.5.8+dfsg-2 | replaced-url
2833 [23:01:33] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: I don't think you're reading it right, you paste paste that single line in here.
2834 [23:01:44] <cluelessperson> petn-randall: apollo13 ^ ?
2835 [23:01:51] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: Yeah, it's 4.5.8, the 2: part is called an epoch.
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2837 [23:02:01] <cluelessperson> ohh
2838 [23:02:35] <cluelessperson> petn-randall: apollo13 Well, then my actual issue is that samba cannot detect my interfaces, specifically "innervpn" by openvpn
2839 [23:02:41] <cluelessperson> I figured it was an old version
2840 [23:02:48] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2841 [23:02:48] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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2843 [23:02:58] <petn-randall> cluelessperson: We call that an xy problem. ^^^
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2846 [23:03:10] <abrotman> xar-: FWIW, yum came from Yellowdog, a distro from the late 90s,early 00s
2847 [23:03:31] <xar-> it was not present on the systems
2848 [23:03:42] <xar-> it was not red hat 3 though, I doubt I was alive ha
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2850 [23:03:48] <teraflops> heh
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2854 [23:04:45] <abrotman> xar-: again, RH3 is different than RHEL3. But yum definitely predates RHEL3
2855 [23:05:14] <xar-> abrotman: i know thats why i said what i did
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2857 [23:05:37] * abrotman thinks someone is ocnfused ...
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2859 [23:05:59] <xar-> my comment on taroon / nahant
2860 [23:06:03] <cluelessperson> samba seems buggy as hell :/
2861 [23:07:29] <teraflops> cluelessperson: try providing as much detailed information as you can, post full errors, not paraphrasing them
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2865 [23:09:19] <cluelessperson> teraflops: sorry, I'm just getting increasingly upset as I'm attempting to handle this. it installed fine the first time, bugged, uninstalled, now the reinstall is bugged
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2867 [23:09:31] <cluelessperson> I'll present it if it fails after I try something
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2869 [23:10:40] <xar-> abrotman: looked it up, so taroon was rhel 3, and nahant was rhel 4, red hat 3 would predate me, hence the comment on age
2870 [23:10:48] <xar-> (is not confused)
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2879 [23:15:28] <ahmed751995> excuse me, why no download plugin in ktorrent ?
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2886 [23:19:03] <inte> hello
2887 [23:19:35] <inte> i cant get my wifi setup automatically
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2889 [23:19:53] <inte> after boot, i always have to kill wpa_supplicant
2890 [23:20:26] <inte> and manually do a ifup wlan0
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2892 [23:20:31] <inte> then it would work
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2894 [23:20:57] <inte> i could of course write a script which would do that, but i think there should be a better option
2895 [23:21:03] <inte> any hints, anyone?
2896 [23:21:07] <inte> thanks!!
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2900 [23:22:14] <cluelessperson> okay, Samba seems bugged, unable to recognize the openvpn netowrk interfaces
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2902 [23:22:22] <cluelessperson> replaced-url
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2910 [23:24:56] <apollo13> cluelessperson: what is the ip of that iface?
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2914 [23:26:47] <Lady_Aleena> Hello, will someone help me go through my sources list (replaced-url
2915 [23:26:52] <cluelessperson> apollo13: 10.1.0.1
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2917 [23:27:12] <apollo13> that seems to be a local iface at lesat :D
2918 [23:27:52] <cluelessperson> apollo13: yup, I configured it. It's "innervpn" tun made by openvpn
2919 [23:27:57] <n4dir> !sources
2920 [23:27:58] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
2921 [23:28:05] <n4dir> does that help Lady_Aleena ?
2922 [23:28:12] <Lady_Aleena> n4dir, I'm still using Jessie.
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2924 [23:28:32] <n4dir> k, i hoped it was a typo :-) sorry for the noise
2925 [23:28:34] <polaris> Hi there, how can I add the backports to Debian stretch sources list?
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2934 [23:29:35] <Lady_Aleena> polaris, you could look at the dpkg message above.
2935 [23:30:25] <polaris> thanks Lady_Aleena
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2937 [23:31:28] <Lady_Aleena> polaris, welcome.
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2939 [23:33:41] <th0r> Lady_Aleena, from the error a good guess would be that mozilla is no longer supporting jessie.
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2941 [23:34:03] <Lady_Aleena> I am thinking if my sources.list is bad, then upgrading to Stretch will not work until it is fixed.
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2943 [23:34:43] <th0r> Lady_Aleena, the only error you are getting is about that mozilla repo...just comment it out
2944 [23:35:05] <Lady_Aleena> th0r, I will give it a whirl.
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2948 [23:36:00] <cluelessperson> apollo13: it can't even find localhost, or lo
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2954 [23:37:50] <Lady_Aleena> th0r, it is updating and upgrading now. Thanks.
2955 [23:38:21] <brabo> hiya, i am trying to install python-dev on jessie but it ends up in some version conflict between python2.7 and python2.7-dev and libpython2.7-dev and apt fails to even find the files in the repo (get 404 errors), although apt is updated, any ideas?
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2961 [23:40:50] <xar-> if there's one thing I've learned brabo, these dutiful volunteers love EVIDENCE
2962 [23:41:12] <xar-> pastebin your apt command, the result, your first-born child, everything you got
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2966 [23:42:52] <polaris> I want to upgrade my kernel version in Debian stretch, I already added the stretch-backports to my sources list. Do I only have to install the linux-image package or also the linux-headers?
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2969 [23:44:05] <dTal> brabo: in particular I'd be curious to see your sources.list, or whatever stupid multiple-file overcomplicated way they've come up with of doing that now
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2973 [23:44:19] * Lady_Aleena hasn't updated/upgraded for a while, so it is taking forever to finish.
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2982 [23:49:04] <ahmed751995> excuse me, why no shutdown plugin in ktorrent ?
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