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3 [00:00:36] <darsie> ahh, there ...
4 [00:00:49] <stonener5> wha up
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31 [00:07:36] <gzcwnk> gabriele I can check that
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33 [00:08:24] <gzcwnk> I kind of suspect it might be a vmware bug
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35 [00:08:57] <Hoolootwo> could be a combination
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48 [00:14:35] <gzcwnk> where would I find the hash of the debina9 iso?
49 [00:14:40] <gabrielc> gzcwnk: the iso corresponds to the operating system of the vm?
50 [00:15:06] <gabrielc> replaced-url
51 [00:15:07] <dvs> gzcwnk, the same place where you got the ISO
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53 [00:15:46] <gabrielc> bad link
54 [00:15:49] <gzcwnk> gabrielc probably.....it was a debian 8.9 386 I just upgraded to 9.1 386 and I am attempting to crossplatform it to x86_64
55 [00:15:59] <gzcwnk> dvs not there I can see
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57 [00:16:24] <dvs> gzcwnk, which URL?
58 [00:16:49] <gzcwnk> I keep getting seg faults when I try to update grub to point to the x86_64 kernel but it to boots to it fine
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63 [00:17:13] <gzcwnk> replaced-url
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65 [00:17:37] <dvs> gzcwnk, I don't see any ISOs on that page
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70 [00:17:58] <gzcwnk> so I am trying to re-install grub but I get a seg fault off the live cd as well :(
71 [00:18:38] <gzcwnk> dvs on it is a link tot he 386 net inst iso
72 [00:18:58] <gzcwnk> replaced-url
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74 [00:20:17] <gzcwnk> n/m found it...doh
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78 [00:22:31] <gzcwnk> @gabrielc md5sum checks out as OK
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83 [00:24:29] <gabrielc> gzcwnk: what I would do is confirm the architecture of the processor and start with an iso image more similar to the operating system of the virtual machine
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85 [00:24:40] <gzcwnk> would anyone have an Idea what I can try next to re-install grub?
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89 [00:25:40] <gzcwnk> gabrielc it was 8.9 386 now its 9.1 386 all Ive done is install a amd64 kernel, it boots either a 386 or a x86_64 kernel
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91 [00:26:10] <gzcwnk> I can ry a x86_64 live cd
92 [00:26:18] <cruncher> !grub
93 [00:26:19] <dpkg> GNU GRUB 2 is a portable and powerful boot loader. Ask me about <grub config> and <grub default>. To reinstall, ask me about <fixmbr>. replaced-url
94 [00:26:19] <dvs> fry?
95 [00:26:24] <cruncher> !fixmbr
96 [00:26:25] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
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102 [00:28:29] <gzcwnk> hmm OK I got as far a alt-F2 f1 is hung.
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118 [00:35:58] <hossman> would you please kindly help me setup a wireless ap from within debian? When I try with network-manager the create option doesnt work, when I use nmtui there's no way to activate it. Many thanks
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120 [00:37:36] <gzcwnk> I dont seem to have an "update-grub" available
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125 [00:39:22] <petn-randall> hossman: It's not quite trivial, your best bet is to use hostapd for this.
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130 [00:43:33] <gzcwnk> dpkg's instructions are not working expected commands like "grub-install dont seem to be present on the netiso cd, do I need the full dvd?
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133 [00:45:06] <cruncher> gzcwnk, you have to answer the first question first, not instantly switch to tty2
134 [00:45:33] <gzcwnk> tty1 does not work, tty2 is my only option
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139 [00:46:07] <cruncher> gzcwnk, why it "doesnt work"?
140 [00:46:17] <gzcwnk> all I get for tty1 is a blue screen with a grey band across the bottom
141 [00:46:39] <cruncher> gzcwnk, you have it in a vm?
142 [00:46:45] <gzcwnk> I have no idea that is why I came here, ive exhausted google searching
143 [00:46:53] <gzcwnk> yes its on vmware 6
144 [00:47:15] <gzcwnk> or vsphere6
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146 [00:48:03] <cruncher> ok, i dont know about vmware, but my guess is either it is really slow due to some acceleration thingy missing(just be patient until you see the selection/menu/whatever), or your vm settings are "wrong" somewhere
147 [00:48:29] <gzcwnk> its been up 10+ minutes now if not longer
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150 [00:48:47] <hossman> petn-randall: cheers will try
151 [00:48:56] <cruncher> gzcwnk, well, thats a bit long.. check settings, set them to default if you can to test or so
152 [00:49:11] <cruncher> fact is, it must be on your side somewhere on the vm part
153 [00:49:11] <gzcwnk> what settings to check?
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155 [00:50:06] <cruncher> gzcwnk, as i said, i have no idea about vm... but check things like kvm, vt, processor, io apic, etc
156 [00:50:31] <gzcwnk> the system boots fine and has for a decade
157 [00:50:48] <gzcwnk> just I cant update grub it seg faults
158 [00:51:04] <gzcwnk> so Im trying a livecd
159 [00:51:49] <cruncher> gzcwnk, well, if you exclude that part, then we cant help you.. live cd doesnt work, netinst cd doesnt work, seg faults... you really dont think the problem must be in your vm somewhere?
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161 [00:52:22] <gzcwnk> or I am hitting a bug
162 [00:52:35] <cruncher> possible
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164 [00:53:21] <gzcwnk> I am goiing to try a x86_64 livecd instead
165 [00:53:38] <gzcwnk> Im out of option except a rebuild and tape restore
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167 [00:54:56] <cruncher> gzcwnk, as i said, no idea about vmware, but if its like vbox/qemu, to investigate this problem just use the image (hd file) on a new/default machine
168 [00:55:12] <cruncher> do a backup if you need first
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170 [00:55:36] <gzcwnk> this is a clone of the production server and its nspashotted so I can back out OK
171 [00:55:42] <gzcwnk> snapshotted
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173 [00:56:20] <cruncher> or try the live cd/netinst on a new machine/image to see if its a general bug with vm or only with your image
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175 [00:56:58] <gzcwnk> hmm doesnt really help me if it is
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177 [00:57:51] <cruncher> not entirely true... at least you would know
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180 [00:59:12] <gzcwnk> I have already done a few clean upgrades no issues so its something on this machine, maybe because its so old
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185 [01:00:51] <cruncher> gzcwnk, i dont think so. It doesnt matter how old the debian installation is, the rescue cd should boot to the selections, regardless of what "harddisk" is attached
186 [01:01:04] <cruncher> therefore, i think its some vm setting
187 [01:01:23] <cruncher> even without hd image atatched it should start
188 [01:01:42] <m4dh4tt4> gzcwnk, tldnr but, did you try update-grub2 by chance?
189 [01:01:45] <cruncher> you said you checked the iso md5sum, etc
190 [01:02:09] <gzcwnk> m4dh4tt4 yes it seg faults
191 [01:02:15] <gzcwnk> cruncher, yes
192 [01:02:28] <m4dh4tt4> aight i tried, id be in here askin the same Q's lol
193 [01:03:50] <gzcwnk> this muchine has had a lot of upgrades I think it was debin5 or something upgraded each time, maybe something legacy
194 [01:04:01] <cruncher> gzcwnk, as i told you, that doesnt matter
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196 [01:04:42] <gzcwnk> well having grub seg fault when it tries to update makes no sense then
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198 [01:06:09] <cruncher> gzcwnk, anyway, by insisting what it is not, and by not trying to corner down the problem by testing things... i see it difficult to find the problem just by tring again and again the things that seg faults
199 [01:06:40] <cruncher> hope you find the problem/solution... im off for a while
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215 [01:15:54] <e2> how i can change my root?have sposob?
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218 [01:16:07] <e2> need for new soft
219 [01:16:44] <e2> stetch here?
220 [01:17:01] <e2> i need hex chat
221 [01:17:20] <e2> but my root losded in instalattion
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223 [01:17:57] <e2> open window with group root,im typing yes,group -linuxvg
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225 [01:18:18] <e2> but my crypto not hacked
226 [01:18:22] <e2> i think
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228 [01:18:38] <e2> .
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233 [01:19:02] <e2> crypto disk
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242 [01:21:59] <petn-randall> !ask
243 [01:21:59] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
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246 [01:22:52] <petn-randall> e2: See above. Coherent sentences help when you want to get help. If english is not your primary language, let us know which is, and we can redirect you to the support channel in your language.
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256 [01:28:18] <xar-> im back
257 [01:28:34] <xar-> alright, so, I removed /etc/resolv.conf, restarted, it's still not there
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289 [01:44:59] <glisignoli> Hello, does anyone know how to make a package availabe in a preseed installation environment?
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299 [01:50:39] <e2> no
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302 [01:51:42] <ChmEarl> glisignoli, use apt-install
303 [01:51:57] <e2> apt-get install packet
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306 [01:52:24] <e2> terminete
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309 [01:53:06] <e2> anyone know how i can change root?
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311 [01:53:17] <e2> without root
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313 [01:53:30] <e2> gnome
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315 [01:53:44] <ChmEarl> glisignoli, d-i preseed/late_command string apt-install <pkg>
316 [01:54:17] <e2> or use arhive files
317 [01:55:14] <e2> look in debian.org
318 [01:55:22] <e2> repro
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325 [01:59:36] <somiaj> glisignoli: you could also set up a custom repo that is available to your preseed enviorment
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329 [02:00:51] <e2> KDE?
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332 [02:01:57] <digidog> Does anyone know a markov chain text generator terminal application for Debian, which can be used to randomly put out words of given length? All I found was mctext, but I dont trust this old binaries to compile on Debian 9.
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336 [02:03:09] <e2> :D
337 [02:03:24] <simbalion> Hi, on machines built with Debian 9 I get an error about st-256color being an invalid $TERM but on machines that were upgraded from Debian 8, that error doesn't occur even when $TERM is st-256color, how can I fix this on the newer systems?
338 [02:04:09] <e2> 32bit color
339 [02:04:57] <e2> all nix
340 [02:05:00] <kion> when there are several updates, is it possible to only update certain packages, how do you tell apt not to upgrade certain package?
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342 [02:05:41] <e2> u need cartificates?
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344 [02:05:49] <e2> for what?
345 [02:06:04] <lone-wolf> hi
346 [02:06:17] <lone-wolf> Wireless Tp-link Tl-wn7200 run in Debian?
347 [02:06:26] <e2> wired
348 [02:06:35] <e2> in laptop?
349 [02:06:43] <hossman> petn-randall: it didnt work. I followed this tutorial to get hostapd up and running. failed with some error about not being able to configure driver / nl80211: deinit ifname=wlan1 disabled_11b_rates=0
350 [02:06:48] <e2> wifi worked
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352 [02:07:31] <hossman> followed this tutorial replaced-url
353 [02:07:42] <e2> all routers allowed,but u must worked with connection
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355 [02:08:30] <e2> setting your wifi,type password maybe need WPS
356 [02:10:25] <digidog> great, then I will start to make one.
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368 [02:18:32] <cluelessperson> hey guys, how do you rename a systemd interface by MAC ?
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370 [02:18:40] <cluelessperson> all my interfaces are named "rename1-4"
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380 [02:24:45] <cerealguy> hi all. just installed stretch on an old laptop, getting some bad screen flickering whenever i type anything or open a program. wondering if anybody would be willing to help me troubleshoot.
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389 [02:26:30] <cerealguy> what i don't get is, i did not experience the screen flickering using the graphical install
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393 [02:30:42] <somiaj> cerealguy: check your xorg log file and see what graphics driver is being used.
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405 [02:36:36] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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422 [02:50:08] <OS-29528> !Alpha
423 [02:50:09] <dpkg> WANTED: loving home for CPU architecture. Alpha is housebroken, and has had all its shots. Friendly, affectionate and energetic! Contact DEC (oops, Compaq! (oops, HP! (oops, the morgue))) for details. replaced-url
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425 [02:50:16] <OS-29528> !Master
426 [02:50:16] <dpkg> Mr. Bates isn't here right now.
427 [02:50:24] <OS-29528> !slave
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429 [02:50:29] <OS-29528> !Slave
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431 [02:50:49] <OS-29528> !Slave
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434 [02:51:00] <krytarik> OS-29528: Stop, please?
435 [02:51:25] <OS-29528> !bob
436 [02:51:25] <dpkg> it has been said that bob is the almighty spleened one.
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438 [02:51:51] <OS-29528> !jeff
439 [02:51:52] <dpkg> i heard jeff is a programmer php.
440 [02:52:18] <krytarik> Try !ops
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442 [02:53:59] <OS-29528> !fc4
443 [02:54:10] <OS-29528> !payday
444 [02:55:12] <OS-29528> exit
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460 [03:01:37] <pingouin> i thought these kind of lamers has quit Irc long time ago...thanks facebook
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490 [03:20:13] <cluelessperson> does anyone how to rename systemd interfaces?
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499 [03:21:50] <nvz> cluelessperson: are you referring to systemd units like ssh or such?
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502 [03:22:41] <nvz> or are you talking about network interfaces?
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508 [03:24:34] <precise|debian> Hey everyone, having some issues with GRUB and my current install. It's a long question w/ context so I've pasted it here: replaced-url
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510 [03:28:00] <toruvinn> precise|debian, did you just rename /boot to /boot.old? it's not really doing anythign with the partitions. it's just renaming a mountpoint...
511 [03:28:40] <toruvinn> sure system wont be able to mount the partition as /boot and it'll fail hence the maintenance prompt
512 [03:28:43] <precise|debian> toruvinn: Hmm, I suppose your correct. I assumed the update-grub would have picked up on that.
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514 [03:29:30] <toruvinn> precise|debian, not sure how picked up on that. you basically got a pendrive with GRUB and your kernel etc working. but you didnt remove GRUB nor /boot from your old drive. also, i'll be honest, i dont think there's a reason to.
515 [03:29:45] <toruvinn> things you keep in /boot are public anyway. i mean, i can download most likely the same kernel you are using now
516 [03:29:52] <toruvinn> it's in debian repos. why try to hide it?
517 [03:29:59] <precise|debian> toruvinn: It's more of a novelty project.
518 [03:30:00] <precise|debian> :P
519 [03:30:11] <precise|debian> A 'true FDE'
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521 [03:31:02] <toruvinn> precise|debian, i could argue it's not anywya, but let's not go there. ;-P
522 [03:31:11] <precise|debian> Ofc :)
523 [03:31:33] <precise|debian> So, how can I remove GRUB and my old /boot?
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525 [03:31:43] <toruvinn> also lemme assure you pendrives tend to break. often. my experience with portable flash memory (pendrives/sd cards) is just... not too encouraging.
526 [03:31:55] <precise|debian> toruvinn: I have two ;)
527 [03:32:11] <precise|debian> One for day-to-day, one in my desk.
528 [03:32:21] <precise|debian> Also, backups are love, backups are life.
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532 [03:33:18] <toruvinn> precise|debian, well the easiest would be to unmount old /boot (which probably isnt mounted), wipe the partition, then remove the partition. you would also need to wipe the rest of GRUB in your MBR (and further sectors), which would be probably easier achieved by wiping the beginning of the disk until your first partition and then recreating the partition table. basically things that'll most lkiely break your installation if you aren't inc
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534 [03:34:28] <precise|debian> TBH, I really don't want to touch the partition table because between encrypted volumes, LVM and multiple storage devices it will be a pain and I will most likely break something lol.
535 [03:34:33] <precise|debian> toruvinn: ^
536 [03:34:40] <precise|debian> But if I have to...
537 [03:34:54] <toruvinn> are you on GPT or MBR or GPT with fallback MBR? ;-)
538 [03:35:15] <precise|debian> Ummm, MBR I think, was that a joke I missed?
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540 [03:36:06] <precise|debian> I'm not that new to linux and Debian, but sorta new to the whole GRUB thing lol
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542 [03:36:28] <precise|debian> A few months ago, as far as I was concerned, the first bytes of my HDD were / lol
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551 [03:40:42] <precise|debian> toruvinn: The last step in the first article I linked here, replaced-url
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553 [03:41:05] <LuzLuna_> ains nooo
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561 [03:45:48] <cluelessperson> nvz, network interfaces
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568 [03:48:06] <nvz> cluelessperson: I'm not real familiar with that but as I understand it the new way is to keep them uniform rather than changing across reboots, but you essentially as I understand can only either disable this feature and go back to the old way or create your own naming scheme
569 [03:48:32] <cluelessperson> nvz, that's what I'm trying to do
570 [03:49:07] <cluelessperson> nvz, replaced-url
571 [03:49:11] <nvz> cluelessperson: man 5 systemd.link
572 [03:49:18] <cluelessperson> nvz, it's not working
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576 [03:51:40] <nvz> I'm not sure I can help I'm just learning systemd myself, I havent tried to do that sort of thing.
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578 [03:53:20] <nvz> I know you typically have to apply settings for systemd to recognize changes which is usually done with systemctl deamon-reload
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581 [03:53:53] <nvz> and I know that is the manpage that describes what you want to do, beyond that I wouldnt know how to troubleshoot it, you'll need someone more familiar
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586 [03:58:13] <glisignoli> Is there a way to get preseed to use /dev/hwrng? I'm trying to install mandos which generates a gpg key and it takes far too long to generate
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617 [04:11:46] <precise|debian> Ok guys, fresh install, I ran an aptitude update and upgrade, there are a TON of unmet dependencies, broken packages, etc.
618 [04:11:49] <precise|debian> What the hell?
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621 [04:12:19] <tx> sounds like you have a messed up sources list
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629 [04:14:27] <precise|debian> tx: I am using MSU repository due to proximity and added a non-free repo for a gpu binary: replaced-url
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634 [04:14:46] <precise|debian> tx: As far as I can tell, it's ok, unless the MSU repo is fucky...
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640 [04:15:57] <SpikeHeron> precise|debian: what happens if you try apt-get instead of aptitude?
641 [04:16:29] <jmcnaught> precise|debian: you're mixing jessie and stretch. which one do you want? you can't have both.
642 [04:16:57] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: oh fuck
643 [04:16:58] <precise|debian> lol
644 [04:17:09] <precise|debian> SpikeHeron: It errors on unmet dependencies as well
645 [04:17:54] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: wtf, I'm pretty sure I put the stretch iso on that usb.. lol
646 [04:17:58] <precise|debian> Woops
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745 [04:19:04] <precise|debian> netsplit much?
746 [04:19:06] <precise|debian> :P
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760 [04:20:40] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: In theory, after fixing the sources.list, a aptitude update && aptitude upgrade will resolve my issues?
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787 [04:22:49] <jmcnaught> precise|debian: i only saw a paste for your sources.list, not showing the problems you're having. Whether or not you installed any packages from stretch makes a difference, and also which one of jessie and stretch you want.
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799 [04:24:28] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: I get it, not much to go on. I'm pretty sure I installed a shit ton of the stretch packages. BUT... I removed the stretch repo and upgraded and it seems to have fixed everything, reporting 0 broken packages. Only a reboot will truly tell though :P
800 [04:25:03] <jmcnaught> precise|debian: you should read the release notes for stretch and complete the upgrade
801 [04:25:34] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: I actually plan on it, I thought I had installed stretch lol
802 [04:25:50] <precise|debian> Guess I'll just have to do the inplace upgrade :P
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858 [04:29:33] <jmcnaught> precise|debian: if you still have a network connection you can complete the upgrade, following the instructions in the release notes on a phone or another computer
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863 [04:30:38] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: Will that basically remove all my fuckups and start fresh?
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875 [04:32:11] <jmcnaught> if your mistakes were limited to adding stretch and installing a few stretch packages then you can probably recover
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878 [04:32:26] <precise|debian> jmcnaught: I can hope lol
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1004 [05:39:34] <Grobo> What source (apt/sources.list) can I use to get a PHP7 package for Debian Jessie?
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1018 [05:45:40] <Grobo> Because I want to install the PHP 7 package
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1025 [05:47:34] <mandeep> Grobo: what's keeping you on jessie?
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1029 [05:48:31] <xar-> don't do it man, upgrading is pure pain
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1032 [05:51:37] <Grobo> mandeep: Oh, um.. just because I had the image sitting around and didn't need to download anything.
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1039 [05:53:17] <mandeep> Grobo: well i think php 7 is on stretch repos
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1042 [05:54:33] <jmcnaught> Grobo: you can't add sid to a stable system, it won't be a stable system anymore
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1044 [05:54:55] <pingfloyd> it will be a mess
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1046 [05:55:07] <pingfloyd> and you get to keep both pieces
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1058 [06:04:47] <roland> good morning
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1090 [06:21:19] <dogui> is it possible to use alsa over bluetooth in buster? I see bluez-alsa has been dropped
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1094 [06:23:08] <tx> I think all of the development for BT audio has been moved to pulse.
1095 [06:23:37] <tx> Actually, dogui, replaced-url
1096 [06:23:40] <tx> looks like it's still maintained.
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1098 [06:24:38] <dogui> tx: Ah, thanks! I'm gonna try it, but maybe I should really move to pulseaudio... alsa is kind of ancient, right?
1099 [06:24:43] <tx> Not packaged anymore in debian, sadly.
1100 [06:25:04] <dogui> yeah
1101 [06:25:31] <tx> Well, some applications (like firefox) have dropped ALSA support and are hard depending on pulse.
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1103 [06:25:53] <tx> A whiles back pulse was quite buggy and young, but it's quite a fair bit more stable now.
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1116 [06:34:39] <rjsalts> pulse relies on alsa
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1120 [06:35:55] <rjsalts> so alsa is still there, it's just that applications aren't necessarily using the lower level API to do things
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1163 [07:06:01] <xuumno> omg
1164 [07:06:03] <xuumno> where to begin
1165 [07:06:18] <xuumno> Trying to wrap my head around using terminal
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1167 [07:06:39] <xuumno> Anybody got an idea of an exercise I can try out?
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1169 [07:07:36] <firef1y> xuumno: trying to figure out what you're asking.
1170 [07:07:55] <firef1y> just trying to get the hang of terminals in general?
1171 [07:08:03] <xuumno> yeah man
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1174 [07:08:26] <firef1y> well, there's basic stuff like ls/cd/cp/mv/rm
1175 [07:08:54] <xuumno> I mean, I can follow a guide to get openvpn installed. But I find that it's just all copy and paste, and I'm not understanding it as I expected/ would like to
1176 [07:08:58] <firef1y> which basically are 99% of what you do in a file manager program.
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1178 [07:09:22] <nkuttler> xuumno: well, don't just copy and paste. open the man page for the config file, and read about every option you set
1179 [07:09:30] <firef1y> I'm assuming that you have to have used "sudo apt-get install" before, given that you're running debian.
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1183 [07:10:10] <nkuttler> xuumno: also install the bash-completion package
1184 [07:10:16] <xuumno> I feel like I'm missing something. I have ubuntu on both of my laptops. But I still feel like I am not where I would like to be
1185 [07:10:39] <firef1y> xuumno: honestly, ubuntu isn't that bad.
1186 [07:10:45] <xuumno> Using debain on a cloud server atm thou
1187 [07:10:50] <xuumno> so I'm using putty from windows
1188 [07:11:08] <firef1y> I've run arch/gentoo/FreeBSD/just about everything else, and I'm starting to go to Ubuntu now.
1189 [07:11:09] <nkuttler> xuumno: and check out tmux/screen
1190 [07:11:23] <xuumno> nkuttler what's that?
1191 [07:11:53] <xuumno> firef1y I started buying linux monthly magazines about 2 months ago to try and get into it a bit more
1192 [07:11:56] <firef1y> you *can* do anything you could do elsewhere in debian/ubuntu, but there's a lot of easy ways out for ubuntu&co.
1193 [07:11:59] <nkuttler> xuumno: allows you to keep a persistent "session" on a remote box, even after logging out
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1195 [07:12:24] <firef1y> xuumno: you mean the bash-completion, or the tmux?
1196 [07:12:40] <firef1y> the bash-completion allows you to press [TAB] to auto-complete a command.
1197 [07:12:44] <xuumno> I'm not installing anything rn
1198 [07:12:48] <firef1y> kind of like spell check, for a shell.
1199 [07:13:03] <xuumno> nkuttler is that like a putty alternative?
1200 [07:13:11] <nkuttler> xuumno: no
1201 [07:13:11] <firef1y> xuumno: no, it's not.
1202 [07:13:29] <firef1y> putty allows you to connect to a server. tmux keeps your shells going.
1203 [07:13:29] <xuumno> gimmie a few mins to read up on it
1204 [07:13:32] <nkuttler> xuumno: it's kinda like vnc for the command line
1205 [07:13:38] <xuumno> aha
1206 [07:13:43] <firef1y> So if you disconnect, you can come back later.
1207 [07:13:51] <xuumno> tht seems smart
1208 [07:13:56] <nkuttler> it is
1209 [07:14:21] <firef1y> I'm using it right now.
1210 [07:14:22] <xuumno> brb
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1218 [07:17:32] <simbalion> Hi, on machines built with Debian 9 I get an error about st-256color being an invalid $TERM but on machines that were upgraded from Debian 8, that error doesn't occur even when $TERM is st-256color, how can I fix this on the newer systems?
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1224 [07:20:32] <klys> simbalion, do you have that file in terminfo?
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1226 [07:20:47] <simbalion> klys: whats that mean?
1227 [07:21:19] <klys> simbalion, ls /usr/share/terminfo/s
1228 [07:21:41] <simbalion> klys: I think I understand
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1230 [07:22:24] <simbalion> so if I copy st-256color from a working system and install it on all new debian 9 systems then it should fix the issue?
1231 [07:22:43] <klys> simbalion, also, what program has complained?
1232 [07:23:04] <simbalion> klys: nano, mostly, but there's other issues like not getting color support in the prompt and so on
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1235 [07:23:15] <klys> simbalion, perhaps, just that does not adequately address the issue
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1238 [07:23:36] <simbalion> In Debian 8 it wasn't an issue
1239 [07:23:44] <klys> good luck
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1241 [07:24:18] <simbalion> thanks
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1244 [07:25:20] <darxmurf> hi all
1245 [07:25:52] <klys> hi
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1249 [07:27:46] <darxmurf> Still looking why some of my Nvidia GTX cards are randomly spinning their fans for 2 seconds every 30 seconds :-x
1250 [07:27:48] <simbalion> woah, turns out the terminfo folder is empty on the server
1251 [07:28:12] <darxmurf> is there a conf file somewhere for X where you can define those spinning parameters ?
1252 [07:29:49] <simbalion> hrm there's a /lib/terminfo, but there isn't a /usr/share/terminfo
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1262 [07:32:07] <klys> simbalion, apt-get install ncurses-term
1263 [07:33:02] <simbalion> klys: that's installed, I think that's whats in /lib/terminfo, I created the /usr/share/terminfo/s folder and copied the file and that fixed the issue, I'll just add that to my provision script. Thanks for your help!
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1265 [07:34:09] <klys> yw.
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1277 [07:47:31] <Lyberta> is there a program that simply wait for a key press?
1278 [07:47:34] <simbalion> I am wondering which package creates /usr/share/terminfo tho, if it isn't ncurses-term
1279 [07:48:49] <simbalion> wait, maybe it wasn't installed... I've been working too long I'm confusing my various SSH connections lol
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1283 [07:49:52] <fireba11> simbalion: try not to shut down the wrong box, did that yesterday :-D
1284 [07:50:02] <simbalion> fireba11: heh, thanks
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1312 [08:05:58] * vlt ran a `chmod 0700 .*` in /home yesterday o_O
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1318 [08:16:40] <darxmurf> that's not that terrible :-)
1319 [08:17:08] <darxmurf> it's way more fun with shred :D
1320 [08:18:40] <hexhaxtron> I'm getting lots of these emails. What should I do? replaced-url
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1356 [08:40:29] <blingrang> Since about 5 hours ago, I've randomly started getting a "hash sum mismatch" error with cloudfront.debian.net.
1357 [08:40:53] <blingrang> during an apt update.
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1359 [08:42:25] <blingrang> I've tried running apt clean as well without any luck. What could be the problem?
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1370 [08:50:15] <darxmurf> did you try with another mirror ?
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1390 [09:04:32] <BenNZ> blingrang: its a problem at the server end , there isnt anything you can do about it , just wait a few hours and try again
1391 [09:05:39] <blingrang> ftp.debian.org and deb.debian.org as well.
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1393 [09:06:00] <blingrang> darxmurf,
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1395 [09:06:08] <blingrang> BenNZ, Ok. Thanks.
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1399 [09:07:21] <blingrang> darxmurf, Can you recommend any other mirrors?
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1405 [09:09:19] <BenNZ> blingrang: its not about the mirror , best to wait or use the main mirror
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1435 [09:26:44] <darxmurf> well if you have issues with 3 mirrors, there is something else
1436 [09:26:50] <darxmurf> blingrang: where are you located ?
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1443 [09:27:31] <darxmurf> replaced-url
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1448 [09:28:58] <blingrang> darxmurf, our servers are located all over the world. New York, London, Singapore, but thanks
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1450 [09:29:36] <darxmurf> try the UK mirror on the UK server to see if there is something wrong
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1467 [09:45:38] <darxmurf> and still no ideas about this weird NVIDIA Fan issue ?
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1540 [10:41:40] <armin> ok so how do i set the system clock on a todays debian system? yes i've read the timedatectl man-page, set the correct timezone in /etc/timezone, and ensured that systemd-timesyncd is running.
1541 [10:42:07] <armin> oh i also tried ntpdate.
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1546 [10:44:52] <BenNZ> armin: if the hardware clock is correct you set it from that
1547 [10:46:02] <armin> BenNZ: what if it's not correct? all i want to do is synchronize via ntp.
1548 [10:46:20] <BenNZ> armin: ok you want to use ntp to set the date
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1551 [10:46:38] <BenNZ> armin: replaced-url
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1557 [10:48:46] <armin> bah, i'm not even surprised the systemd devs managed to screw this, too. i used to be able to do that for almost 2 decades before systemd.
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1559 [10:49:21] <jelly> you can keep using the isc ntp daemon
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1562 [10:50:39] <doverZ> anyone installed and configured mariadb-server on debian 9 successfully?... its weird that its so different and giving issues, im not an experienced administrator but this looks like smth is wrong with the package
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1565 [10:52:17] <doverZ> it doesnt ask for the mariadb root pass on install, although u can set it manually on mysql.users, the thing is that there r issues also with privileges that couldnt fix following the tips of all resources ive found on internet, but still cannot use phpmyadmin to manage the databases
1566 [10:52:50] <BenNZ> jelly: i dont use ntp , but isnt still the same commands etc on systemd ?
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1588 [11:03:54] <darxmurf> phpmyadmin :-x
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1591 [11:06:47] <armin> wow! i managed to synchronize my system clock via ntp on a systemd computer! in only 25 minutes!
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1596 [11:13:01] <doverZ> ive used the repo from mariadb, instead of using the official package from debian repos
1597 [11:13:07] <doverZ> this one works
1598 [11:13:10] <doverZ> the official not
1599 [11:13:12] <doverZ> :S
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1602 [11:13:58] <doverZ> darxmurf, whats that bad about a graphical tool to manage databases?
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1604 [11:14:38] <bolt> i administer at least two servers with mariadb on them
1605 [11:14:43] <bolt> both were upgraded from 8 to 9
1606 [11:14:48] <bolt> no issues so far
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1608 [11:15:07] <doverZ> maybe cos u upgraded, and didnt a clean install
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1610 [11:15:14] <cluelessperson> question, for random services I might run, how do you suggest I isolate them?
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1612 [11:15:27] <bolt> doverZ: did you try asking for help with the problem you were having
1613 [11:15:28] <darxmurf> doverZ: it can seriously mess up the content of your db when ppl edit it with PHPMyAdmin
1614 [11:15:32] <cluelessperson> for example, this one wants python twisted
1615 [11:15:41] <cluelessperson> do I wrap it in a virtualenv?
1616 [11:15:41] <darxmurf> specialy with UTF8 content
1617 [11:16:04] <darxmurf> letters with accents and all
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1619 [11:16:19] <bolt> darxmurf: any database tool can mess up the database. phpmyadmin can be useful, but it's not a tool that allows you to do everything without being careful
1620 [11:16:30] <doverZ> upgrading i guess u move with all the config, but if u install the official mariadb-server on debian 9 issues appear everywhere
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1623 [11:16:43] <bolt> doverZ: such as?
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1628 [11:17:21] <darxmurf> doverZ: I installed one a few weeks ago and everything is fine so far
1629 [11:17:32] <doverZ> such as privileges and access ones that doesnt fix even modifying them on the hard way
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1631 [11:18:24] <doverZ> could be like a mirror issue? some corrupt package maybe?
1632 [11:18:26] <doverZ> this is so weird
1633 [11:18:27] <bolt> doverZ: are you attempting to install it in a jail or something following an online tutorial, or are you saying "apt-get install mariadb-server" doesn't work for you?
1634 [11:18:59] <doverZ> im using a virtual machine to test everything
1635 [11:19:03] <doverZ> before i move to debian 9
1636 [11:19:11] <doverZ> and yea
1637 [11:19:18] <doverZ> im using apt install mariadb-server
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1639 [11:19:29] <blingrang> BenNZ, darxmurf Thanks for the help. I found out that the mirror issue was due to a debian backport. Nevertheless, it went away all on its own
1640 [11:19:48] <doverZ> after that it should be usable from phpmyadmin
1641 [11:19:50] <doverZ> but it isnt
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1643 [11:20:06] <doverZ> i really think now, that this is some package release issue
1644 [11:20:13] <doverZ> im using the spanish ftp mirror
1645 [11:20:31] <doverZ> and the mariadb-server package doesnt work out of the box
1646 [11:20:42] <doverZ> after the installation, but the one from replaced-url
1647 [11:20:45] <doverZ> works
1648 [11:21:01] <doverZ> havent tested installing it from french or uk mirror
1649 [11:21:21] <doverZ> maybe i do it now
1650 [11:21:38] <doverZ> if this is a package issue, should be notified as soon as possible
1651 [11:22:09] <doverZ> and yes, understand that about phpmyadmin but for some personal stuff
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1655 [11:23:41] <doverZ> it works fine, depends on what u are working with...
1656 [11:24:08] <user4711> Installed stretch, xfce4, geary. In geary checkboxes are not visible. May be a GTK3 issue? Tested several themes, that contain GTK3 icons, settings etc.. Used lxappearance to change themes, and looked at .config/gtk-3.0/settings if changes are written in. Still no success. Any ideas?
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1659 [11:27:25] <user4711> Also looked at gtk3-demo: Terrible look, not a single widgets (right term?) like it should be, mainly unvisible.
1660 [11:29:18] <jelly> doverZ: upgraded from jessie with mysql to stretch with mariadb 10.1, things pretty much just worked
1661 [11:29:41] <hhw> 5:22 äžć <hhw> Sorry to interrupt, I have a VPS with debian 8, I just found I was not able to find /proc/interrupts. Any one can let me know the reason? I run it as a webserver for years.
1662 [11:30:02] <user4711> Same on firefox.
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1665 [11:30:54] <doverZ> jelly, good to know that upgrading works
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1784 [12:49:45] <shark7> hi
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1789 [12:51:56] <shark7> /msg NickServ sharks7
1790 [12:52:02] <shark7> /msg NickServ shark7
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1792 [12:52:59] <shark7> /join #offsec
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1796 [12:56:43] <jolt> zOthix: Most 32bit registers are named eXX, so they use rXX for 64 bit
1797 [12:56:49] <jolt> (or so I would guess)
1798 [12:57:25] <zOthix> i meant to ask what "r" means in it
1799 [12:57:29] <zOthix> as " e " means extended
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1801 [12:57:37] <jolt> really extended! :D
1802 [12:58:06] <jolt> zOthix: replaced-url
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1804 [12:58:31] <jolt> </end of todays googling service>
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1808 [13:02:08] <iodev> jolt: yes
1809 [13:02:33] <iodev> but there is also segment registers (ds, cs) and intruction pointer and much more :-)
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1814 [13:03:58] <jolt> The correct answer would have been to point to #debian-offtopic
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1839 [13:17:51] <tnorth> hi there
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1842 [13:18:47] <hjek> hi
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1845 [13:18:51] <tx> hi!
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1848 [13:19:01] <tnorth> my Debian 9.1 (x86_64) regulary uses suddently 100% of the CPU and is not accessible remotely anymore (ssh, no route to host). It seems to have crashed (nothing in the logs)
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1850 [13:19:11] <tnorth> how do I check what could have happend?
1851 [13:19:22] <tx> Hmm! is it a process? could you look at top / top to see what's eating all of the CPU
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1853 [13:19:38] <tnorth> tx: once rebooted, nothing there of course :/
1854 [13:20:00] <tx> Is this your personal PC?
1855 [13:20:00] <hjek> how about top > top-dump
1856 [13:20:01] <tnorth> but I run php/mysql
1857 [13:20:05] <tnorth> it's a VM
1858 [13:20:18] <tx> Is it under-resourced for the job?
1859 [13:20:27] <tx> You might be hitting high memory too.
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1861 [13:20:58] <tnorth> yep I thought maybe I'm swapping...
1862 [13:21:34] <tnorth> but the VM manager doesn't report high memory use (or it happend quickly)
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1865 [13:22:48] <tx> There's no preconditions to it failing?
1866 [13:22:51] <tx> Lots of load etc.?
1867 [13:23:09] <tnorth> nope, the machine was unused overnight
1868 [13:23:17] <tnorth> sudently it happend this morning
1869 [13:23:40] <tx> is your application forking / spawning stuff that isn't dying?
1870 [13:23:49] <tx> or memory leaking
1871 [13:23:55] <tx> or cron jobs that never finish etc.
1872 [13:24:18] <tnorth> tx: i'll have a look on cron jobs, bot a priori nothing (only a bug tracker is running)
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1902 [13:25:30] <hjek> if you run "top >> top-dump", then you can see in top-dump which process was eating up the CPU just before your computer crashed.
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1905 [13:26:29] <hjek> if the crash can be reproduced, then that could work.
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1907 [13:26:53] <tnorth> hjek: I'll give it a try, many thanks
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1961 [13:40:43] <wjtaylor_> Deb 9: On the lock screen there was a software notification, but where is the notification bar on the desktop?
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1969 [13:45:55] <Iridos> there was?
1970 [13:46:55] <Iridos> no idea… but if you want to install the security upgrades, just do apt-get update and then apt-get upgrade (and look at the package list, maybe there are some things you do not want to upgrade for whatever reason)
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1992 [14:03:53] <darxmurf> I miss some folders when I mount this stuff vith vers=2.x Oo
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2143 [15:07:52] <darxmurf> filled a bug report
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2160 [15:19:07] <bs0d> Hello. Is there any place where I can see the versions of PHP in apt repository? I have no debian running machine at hand, but it is going to be powering the production environment.
2161 [15:19:28] <bs0d> I cannot decide if I should use PHP5 or PHP7. Is PHP7 available in apt repositories?
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2164 [15:20:59] <darxmurf> yep it is
2165 [15:21:01] <darxmurf> ,php
2166 [15:21:18] <darxmurf> god I never remember how to query the bot :|
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2168 [15:22:05] <darxmurf> ,php7.1
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2171 [15:22:27] <darxmurf> ,php7.0
2172 [15:22:33] <darxmurf> well well well
2173 [15:22:43] <etw3621> !php
2174 [15:22:44] <dpkg> PHP is a scripting language. To install, ask me about <install php>. See also <php wants me to download still>, <php mysql>, <php userdir>, <phpmyadmin>, <php gd>, <pear>, <pecl>, <suhosin>, <xampp>. replaced-url
2175 [15:22:52] <dvs> judd: version php7
2176 [15:22:53] <judd> No package named 'php7' was found in amd64.
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2178 [15:23:50] <darxmurf> ,v php7.0
2179 [15:23:51] <judd> Package: php7.0 on amd64 -- sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.19-1; sid: 7.0.22-2; buster: 7.0.22-2
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2182 [15:24:31] <etw3621> how can sid have an older version?
2183 [15:24:55] <dvs> does it?
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2188 [15:25:28] <jelly> older than what?
2189 [15:25:28] <etw3621> "sid: 7.0.14-2; stretch: 7.0.19-1;"
2190 [15:26:01] <dvs> etw3621, and the one after that?
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2192 [15:26:19] <etw3621> oh, why two sid entries?
2193 [15:26:48] <etw3621> there is no such things as "old sid", is it?
2194 [15:27:00] <dvs> maybe it's suppose to be jessie
2195 [15:27:22] <jelly> a lesser architecture is lagging behind in builds, but php7.0 is an Architecture: all package so it's present in a repo
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2199 [15:28:59] <Henry151> hi folks
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2201 [15:29:08] <Henry151> I have a little problem that I'm having a hard time putting my finger on
2202 [15:29:12] <darxmurf> bs0d: I would install php7
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2205 [15:29:28] <Henry151> it just showed itself again so I got a screenshot of it. It's the white rectangle in the lower-right corner of the screen
2206 [15:29:31] <Henry151> replaced-url
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2208 [15:29:55] <Henry151> I suspect it may be from thunderbird, but I'm not 100% sure what it's from; it pops up every now and then, and won't go away
2209 [15:30:06] <darxmurf> I would say tbird too
2210 [15:30:17] <darxmurf> try to close it and see :-)
2211 [15:30:19] <Henry151> and when I alt-tab around it gets filled with the last program to have filled it
2212 [15:30:34] <Henry151> thing is it dissappears after a few moments
2213 [15:30:40] <Henry151> so now it's gone
2214 [15:30:42] <Henry151> XD
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2218 [15:31:44] <Henry151> "wave a wand at the computer and recite this incantation, that should get rid of it"
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2222 [15:33:01] <darxmurf> or just close t-bird and see... :-)
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2227 [15:35:49] <SuperTramp83> Henry151, try this mybe replaced-url
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2245 [15:53:24] <KeyboardNotFound> How is Debian different from Ubuntu? I noticed that Ubuntu doesn't update their repositories regularly, is this different with Debian?
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2251 [15:56:13] <dvs> KeyboardNotFound, it depends on which branch of debian you use.
2252 [15:56:24] <KeyboardNotFound> dvs: stable
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2255 [15:56:45] <KeyboardNotFound> But In ubuntu Firefox 55 is not available, and it stable released about 1 week ago.
2256 [15:56:49] <dvs> KeyboardNotFound, those packages rarily change.
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2259 [15:57:04] <joola> Hello i woul dlike to have 2 informations
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2261 [15:57:13] <KeyboardNotFound> dvs: what about security updates ?
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2263 [15:57:22] <goldkatze> Hi :-)
2264 [15:57:30] <dvs> KeyboardNotFound, yes, those are the updates that make it into stable
2265 [15:57:44] <goldkatze> oldstable security support equals that of stable in every aspect, is that right?
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2267 [15:58:44] <KeyboardNotFound> dvs: but if there's for example firefox 55, will mozilla continue fixing firefox 54 (which is available in the repositories)?
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2270 [15:59:33] <dvs> KeyboardNotFound, debian follows the ESR brancxh
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2277 [16:01:23] <joola> Why can't we update my package list ( apt update ) only with the stretch GPG keys ?
2278 [16:01:41] <joola> It only works with the Whezzy old GPG ky
2279 [16:01:44] <joola> key
2280 [16:01:47] <jhutchins_wk> KeyboardNotFound: If you really think that the latest firefox is desirable in spite of only a week of testing, you can always install it from Mozilla.
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2284 [16:02:45] <Bombo> hi
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2291 [16:05:11] <Bombo> when i'm doing 'apt-mark showhold' i get nothing, but when i do 'apt-get upgrade' it says 'The following packages have been kept back:' (0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 935 not upgraded.)
2292 [16:05:13] <darxmurf> folks, week-end time, see you on monday !
2293 [16:05:29] <Bombo> how can i set all 935 packages to unhold?
2294 [16:05:46] <dvs> darxmurf, you must stay!
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2297 [16:07:19] <darxmurf> yep I'll stay in the country
2298 [16:07:29] <n4dir> Bombo: if it was me i would probably try a dist-upgrade (as i don't care much if everything goes south). Else: more info is needed.
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2304 [16:09:17] <Bombo> n4dir: i s/jessie/stretch/ 'ed sources.list, did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
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2307 [16:09:53] <Bombo> n4dir: (computer freezed before finished)
2308 [16:10:21] <Bombo> n4dir: now i want to complete
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2311 [16:12:10] <Bombo> n4dir: think it is damaged now?
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2314 [16:12:36] <jolt> Bombo: Well, apt dist-upgrade is a good one. Or read the output of that (if it's stuck at something)
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2316 [16:13:04] <sn0wmonster> newb question: how do you run several commands in sequence as sudo? i have a batch script that does something like: sudo apt-get update and then sudo apt-get upgrade, but i need to enter the password twice for it and i'd like to only need to enter it once
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2319 [16:13:58] <dvs> sn0wmonster, why not run the script with sudo instead of putting sudo in the script?
2320 [16:14:03] <Bombo> jolt: ok i'll try
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2322 [16:14:38] <sn0wmonster> dvs: i have no good answer to that
2323 [16:14:41] <sn0wmonster> :D
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2325 [16:15:02] <sn0wmonster> oh right, now i remember
2326 [16:15:08] <sn0wmonster> some of the functions in the script shoudl not be run as root
2327 [16:15:21] <dvs> ah
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2331 [16:16:30] <greycat> sudo sh -c 'command one; command two; command three; ...'
2332 [16:16:57] <greycat> or simply let the sudo password caching do its job so you only have to enter the password the first time
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2335 [16:18:28] <sn0wmonster> ty
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2337 [16:19:39] <n4dir> Bombo: i recall something like "apt-get check" (i doubt it will tell you more than you already know, but perhaps worth a try)
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2345 [16:21:07] <n4dir> Bombo: if i am not wrong: you got old-stable and stable in your sources list. Without any further action (like pinning) you will install the newest version (or upgrade to it) anyway.
2346 [16:21:33] <n4dir> or you got stuff installed which is only to be found in jessie.
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2348 [16:23:53] <Bombo> n4dir: i had jessie, changed it to stretch
2349 [16:24:08] <Bombo> dist-upgrade running right now, takes some time
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2360 [16:29:39] <n4dir> ah, ok. So that seems to be all the "problem"
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2363 [16:30:43] <n4dir> the man page probably explain the exact difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade. I ran debian for a long time, but never really cared to remember the difference (perhaps even didn't look it up)
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2365 [16:31:08] <greycat> dist-upgrade will add new packages and remove old ones if it feels the need
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2369 [16:32:23] <jhutchins_wk> Do I remember correctly that only dist- or full- will upgrade the kernel?
2370 [16:32:46] <greycat> regular upgrade will upgrade the kernel as long as it's the same ABI version
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2372 [16:32:55] <greycat> it won't install a whole new kernel with a new ABI
2373 [16:32:58] <n4dir> jhutchins_wk: that's what i remember too
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2382 [16:37:51] <n4dir> both questions are answered, thanks greycat , i doubt i will be able to remember the answers. As long it works ...
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2387 [16:39:07] <BluesKaj> well, warning to nvidia legacy driver users: Don't try the 4..11 kernel, dkms can't rebuild the nvidia driver/kernel module required
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2390 [16:39:57] <BluesKaj> namely the nvidia-340xx driver in my case
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2392 [16:39:59] <greycat> *gasp* testing not 100% working!?
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2396 [16:40:33] <BluesKaj> gre seems to work on newer nvidia gpus tho
2397 [16:40:42] <BluesKaj> greycat,^
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2399 [16:41:05] <greycat> If I ever have an nvidia chipset and ever decide to try buster, I will keep that in mind, I guess....
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2403 [16:41:53] <joola> Why can't I update my package list ( apt update ) only with the wheezy trusted keys ? I Only imported the stretch trusted key and so i couldn't update my package list
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2406 [16:42:28] <greycat> You can't go straight from wheezy to stretch.
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2408 [16:42:51] <greycat> dist-upgrade only works one release at a time, wheezy -> jessie -> stretch
2409 [16:42:56] <joola> No its not about upgrade the distro but about the GPG keys
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2411 [16:43:01] <bsdnoob> hey I have a question , why doesn't any icon theme applies to all the icons ?
2412 [16:43:14] <bsdnoob> I am using numix icon theme but some applications seem to ignore that
2413 [16:43:36] <bsdnoob> namely firefox , xfce4-terminal and so on
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2415 [16:43:46] <bsdnoob> why is this?
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2419 [16:44:07] <joola> bsdnoob, for firefox it is because in debian the package is named firefox-esr and not firefox
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2421 [16:44:26] <bsdnoob> joola, why do they call it firefox-esr?
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2423 [16:44:52] <joola> because firefox and firefox esr isn't the same give me a sec
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2425 [16:45:10] <joola> replaced-url
2426 [16:45:33] <greycat> /usr/bin/firefox is a shell script that execs firefox-esr
2427 [16:45:49] <greycat> (on stretch, at least)
2428 [16:45:56] <bsdnoob> joola, can I replace it with regular firefox?
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2432 [16:46:49] <greycat> I am highly skeptical of joola's answer, but I don't know shit about icons and desktops. Just ... hold off on doing anything drastic based on one random person's IRC answers.
2433 [16:46:49] <joola> bsdnoob,
2434 [16:46:56] <joola> bsdnoob, sure you can :p
2435 [16:47:44] <bsdnoob> joola, I don't see it in the repos
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2437 [16:48:02] <joola> greycat, you're agressiv :p Did you found answer for my question ?
2438 [16:48:41] <greycat> Your question makes no sense. Why would you try to install stretch packages using wheezy signing keys?
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2440 [16:49:10] <joola> bsdnoob, you need to download it direclty from firefox website and symlink direclty firefox esr to firefox
2441 [16:49:22] <greycat> THAT part is wrong for sure.
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2443 [16:49:40] <greycat> Do not fuck with the firefox-esr program. If you want to change /usr/bin/firefox, that may be fine.
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2445 [16:50:03] <joola> Well i'm foing away from here !
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2447 [16:50:27] <bsdnoob> why so much hostility ?
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2449 [16:50:50] <greycat> Because giving WRONG ANSWERS leads to people breaking their systems.
2450 [16:51:30] <joola> I'll link you to a script that i use to upgrade ta latest firefox version
2451 [16:51:34] <bsdnoob> greycat, chill out mate
2452 [16:51:41] <joola> And greycat will tell you if this is too heavy
2453 [16:51:48] <joola> Will see
2454 [16:51:50] <wildiness> hello, i have an issue with TightVNC on Win 10 being unable to connect to my
2455 [16:51:51] <greycat> OK, fuck BOTH of you idiots. I'm done here.
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2457 [16:52:03] <bsdnoob> lel
2458 [16:52:06] <joola> You're free tu us it or not ( but read first what it does !!! )
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2461 [16:53:27] <wildiness> hello, i have an issue with TightVNC on Win 10 being unable to connect to my debian 9.1 server with a vnc server running. Where should i turn for help? This chat or some forum?
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2463 [16:53:49] <joola> replaced-url
2464 [16:53:55] <joola> bsdnoob, replaced-url
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2466 [16:55:52] <joola> This will download firefox to /opt/firefox/ extract it , then symlink firefox-esr to the current one
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2469 [16:56:55] <joola> You could also simply modify the icon set to accept firefox-esr as well which could be simpler but you can get latetst firefox verison using the scriot
2470 [16:56:56] <joola> Bye
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2472 [16:57:57] <wildiness> hello, what is the best Debian support forum?
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2474 [16:58:21] <n4dir> wildiness: as far i can tell forums.debian.net is pretty much the only really active one
2475 [16:58:31] <n4dir> if you speak german: that forum is good too, iirc, been ages
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2477 [16:58:56] <n4dir> mailing lists might be worth a try.
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2501 [17:08:48] <wildiness> what VNC do you people use and what do you recommend?
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2508 [17:11:53] <ksk> wildiness: they dont really differ that much in my experience
2509 [17:12:13] <ksk> I used tightvnc for a while.
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2515 [17:13:37] <wildiness> i can't get tightvnc to connect to my server so i want to try something else
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2517 [17:14:06] <ksk> my car does not start so I buy another
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2519 [17:14:28] <n4dir> can you connect to the vnc-server from a different device (or a different OS) ? That is: are you sure the server works correctly? That's what i would test first of all
2520 [17:14:31] <goldkatze> wildiness: x11vnc to localhost with port-forwarding through ssh
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2525 [17:15:44] <goldkatze> wildiness: krdc works well as a client.
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2528 [17:16:50] <wildiness> well, the vncserver process is there and it is in netstat. also the tightvnc client gives the error "server actively refused connection"
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2562 [17:29:20] <jhutchins_wk> goldkatze: There are a number of client/server pairings that don't work, but you should be able to tell from logs or verbose output what the problem is.
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2564 [17:29:43] <jhutchins_wk> wildiness: ^ I guess you're the one having trouble.
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2567 [17:30:59] <wildiness> yes, i just solved it. You had to run vncserver with the -localhost flag. i.e: vncserver -localhost no -geometry 800x600 -depth 24
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2633 [18:00:11] <jhutchins_wk> wildiness: You realize you could just forward the X application you need over ssh?
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2635 [18:01:28] <wildiness> no i did not, also i use bash for windows when i ssh
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2642 [18:03:46] <jhutchins_wk> If you're on windows you'll need an xserver like xming or a cygwin installation.
2643 [18:04:10] <jhutchins_wk> Enable X forwarding in ssh config, run the app from the CLI on the remote.
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2653 [18:06:09] <wildiness> i use tightvnc client to connect to the server running vnc4server. but thanks for the help
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2659 [18:07:46] <jhutchins_wk> wildiness: Lots of options.
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2676 [18:12:50] <wildiness> what do you all use to upload code to your headless servers? copy pasting like barbarians?
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2682 [18:15:26] <nkuttler> wildiness: um, what?
2683 [18:16:32] <jhutchins_wk> wildiness: scp
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2685 [18:17:15] <wildiness> lets say you use a old pc as a headless webserver, do you write the html directly in vim over shh or do you write it in an IDE and then upload it?
2686 [18:17:18] <nkuttler> i don't upload, i download.. through git. otherwise you never know what'll end up on that server
2687 [18:17:45] <jhutchins_wk> Yeah, git pulls are preferred.
2688 [18:18:01] <wildiness> ok, but how do you get it into git then?
2689 [18:18:02] <nkuttler> preferably automated after the ci has approved
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2691 [18:18:49] <jhutchins_wk> wildiness: git push.
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2705 [18:25:12] <jmcnaught> wildiness: take a look at some configuration management software like Ansible (my favourite), SaltStack, Puppet, Chef etc… these tools do more than push files, can be used to enforce policies (make sure the files haven't changed) and let you keep the configuration for all of your servers in a revision control system
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2724 [18:31:26] <wildiness> jmcnaught: that's some cool stuff but it seems to be aimed at companies
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2727 [18:32:06] <jmcnaught> wildiness: doesn't mean you can't use it for a couple of servers
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2754 [18:39:05] <raktajino> I manage my personal stuff with ansible
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2758 [18:39:14] <jak2000> joel?
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2762 [18:39:50] <raktajino> me? no my name is not and has not (to my knowledge) ever been joel
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2765 [18:40:38] <raktajino> wildiness: IMO making your system configurations standardized and repeatable is a great way of learning how stuff works
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2774 [18:43:21] <jelly> propellor!
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2776 [18:44:05] <petn-randall> raktajino: Nice, it's a great way to keep your stuff sane and have a commit history. Put your playbook in git!
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2778 [18:44:28] <jak2000> Joel Mitchell ?
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2780 [18:44:31] <raktajino> perhaps one day
2781 [18:44:39] <jak2000> Joel Mitchell ? msg me please
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2783 [18:44:58] <petn-randall> jak2000: Are you sure you're in the right channel? This one is for Debian support.
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2788 [18:46:46] <jak2000> petn-randall hi, ye si am on right channel thanks solved mi problem.
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2842 [19:10:47] <Masterphi> I'm trying to make a bootable usb with the netinstaller ISO on a mac. Anyone with experience with this? unetbootin doesn't seem to work
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2844 [19:11:35] <abrotman> don't use unetbootin
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2846 [19:11:51] <Masterphi> abrotman: what can i use?
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2848 [19:12:00] <abrotman> I think on a Mac oyu use the diskutility
2849 [19:12:09] <Jobewankenobi> I think you can use the Mac Disk Utility
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2851 [19:13:10] <Masterphi> restoring the image onto the drive?
2852 [19:13:16] <Masterphi> doesn't work
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2855 [19:13:49] <Jobewankenobi> Have you looked at Mac Linux USB Loader?
2856 [19:14:04] <Jobewankenobi> Wait... NM.. that costs 4.99
2857 [19:14:39] <Masterphi> replaced-url
2858 [19:14:40] <Masterphi> this?
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2860 [19:15:54] <petn-randall> I'm sure there are instructions in the installation guide.
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2864 [19:16:55] <Masterphi> trying etcher
2865 [19:17:42] <petn-randall> Hmm, the installation guide doesn't seem to have the answer: replaced-url
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2868 [19:18:08] <Masterphi> Etcher seems pretty slick.. hope it works
2869 [19:18:11] <jmcnaught> Masterphi: what you're looking for is something that does a bit by bit verbatim copy of the image to the USB device. If it's a program that makes things bootable by altering the image, then it will not work
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2876 [19:21:06] <antiPosix> Masterphi: Why not use copy image /dev/sda
2877 [19:21:23] <Masterphi> tried with dd already, didn't work
2878 [19:21:36] <antiPosix> Masterphi: did dd give an error?
2879 [19:21:45] <Masterphi> sudo dd if=~/Downloads/debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso of=/dev/disk2 bs=4194304
2880 [19:21:46] <Masterphi> nope
2881 [19:21:49] <antiPosix> is your mac recognizing your USB drive?
2882 [19:21:50] <Masterphi> no errors
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2884 [19:22:04] <antiPosix> why the specific blocksize?
2885 [19:22:12] <Masterphi> 4MB
2886 [19:22:29] <Masterphi> it's the recommended size
2887 [19:22:33] <antiPosix> can you mount /dev/disk2 on your mac?
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2890 [19:23:17] <Masterphi> antiPosix: before or after running the command?
2891 [19:23:18] <antiPosix> Masterphi: and what makes you certain it didnt work?
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2893 [19:23:30] <Masterphi> wouldn't boot on the other compute
2894 [19:24:07] <antiPosix> after writting the image using dd, can you mount it mkdir /tmp/thumby && cd /tmp/thumby && mount /dev/disk2 /tmp/thumby
2895 [19:24:09] <Masterphi> I'm trying again with dd on the partition instead of the drive
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2897 [19:24:45] <antiPosix> writting the image to the drive should have destroyed the partition
2898 [19:24:46] <jmcnaught> Masterphi: that's incorrect, you need to write to the drive not a partition. The image is already partitioned. Do you have another computer you could do this on?
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2900 [19:25:09] <antiPosix> you put images on a drive and it sets up its own partition table
2901 [19:25:18] <Masterphi> mmmm gotcha
2902 [19:25:24] <Masterphi> i'll cancel and try again
2903 [19:25:42] <antiPosix> you are certain the BIOS on the PC is set up to boot from USB?
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2907 [19:25:49] <Masterphi> yeah
2908 [19:26:10] <antiPosix> Masterphi: and its in the correct order, so the USB has preference to boot over other OSes?
2909 [19:26:37] <Masterphi> yeah, i go into the boot options and select the usb drive
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2914 [19:27:13] <antiPosix> lunch time, talk later
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2918 [19:28:53] <Masterphi> k
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2925 [19:30:54] <ShalokShalom> why does Debian do not use deltas?
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2927 [19:31:51] <jhutchins_wk> Masterphi: If creating the bootable media on a mac isn't covered in the install guide, you could do a writeup once you get it to work.
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2929 [19:32:13] <petn-randall> ShalokShalom: I'm assuming since it is too much overhead on the mirrors to do.
2930 [19:32:17] <jelly> ShalokShalom: noone implemented them in a reliable way, they end up using a lot more space on mirrors
2931 [19:32:21] <jhutchins_wk> ShalokShalom: Gammas are so much better.
2932 [19:32:24] <ShalokShalom> ok, thanks a lot
2933 [19:32:27] <ShalokShalom> jhutchins_wk: xD
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2935 [19:34:07] <jelly> there used to be at least one project for binary deltas, it died off
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2937 [19:35:46] <jelly> historical info at replaced-url
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3017 [20:18:48] <jhutchins_wk> The phrase "dial up users" gives a hint at where the project went.
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3021 [20:20:26] <pie3> any better alternative of slack? related to coding
3022 [20:20:40] <JPT> mattermost is nice and can use gitlab as an auth provider
3023 [20:21:01] <Masterphi> pie3: i like flowdock. but slack is pretty solid
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3025 [20:21:44] <JPT> + you can host mattermost yourself. :)
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3027 [20:22:53] <DHowett> perhaps a meaningless issue, but: I have two copies of armhf libhogweed4, both 3.3-1+b1, and the libraries differ on disk. I was trying to build a sysroot using debootstrap that's identical to an installed machine without my configs. everything matches except the libhogweed binary.
3028 [20:23:15] <DHowett> It doesn't look like there's any post-installation customization of libhogweed4; it doesn't have any maintainer scripts.
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3035 [20:25:35] <DHowett> I've ruled out on-disk corruption because the package-provided/dpkg-calculated md5sums in /var/lib/dpkg/info match the binary on each sysroot
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3040 [20:26:21] <jmcnaught> pie3: IRC
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3067 [20:32:45] <jhutchins_wk> DHowett: If the md5sums are the same, how are you determining difference?
3068 [20:32:57] <jhutchins_wk> DHowett: Theoretically that should be very difficult to achieve.
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3095 [20:44:28] <Hoolootwo> jhutchins_wk, md5 is not hard to fake
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3097 [20:44:47] <Hoolootwo> it is very easy to create two different files with the same md5 signature
3098 [20:45:37] <enyc> Hoolootwo: hrrm is thehere a look for that now ??!?!?
3099 [20:45:52] <Hoolootwo> a look? what?
3100 [20:45:56] <greycat> A new variant of parallelized collision searching using MPI was proposed by Anton Kuznetsov in 2014, which allowed to find a collision in 11 hours on a computing cluster.[40]
3101 [20:46:00] <Hoolootwo> md5 has been broken for years
3102 [20:46:08] <greycat> You and I have different definitions of "very easy".
3103 [20:46:11] <enyc> Hoolootwo: creating an md5sum collesion variant
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3105 [20:46:38] <Hoolootwo> I can generate two files with different signatures on my laptop in like a minute
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3107 [20:46:58] <JPT> ... what's the goal here?
3108 [20:47:01] <greycat> I can generate two files with two different MD5 hashes in seconds.
3109 [20:47:03] <kaizoku> i can generate to files with different signatures in moments
3110 [20:47:17] <ranix> nice moves kaizoku
3111 [20:47:17] <kaizoku> that much is trivial
3112 [20:47:30] <Hoolootwo> err s/different/same/
3113 [20:47:54] <greycat> Hoolootwo: can you create one with a given MD5 hash on demand?
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3115 [20:47:58] <Hoolootwo> no
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3120 [20:48:29] <Hoolootwo> but saying that two files have the same md5 does not mean that they are identical
3121 [20:48:38] <greycat> Yes, we understand this.
3122 [20:48:43] <ranix> that's just a hash collision
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3124 [20:49:06] <Hoolootwo> correct
3125 [20:49:11] <greycat> But if *all* of your files pass debsums, then there is a good chance that they are not corrupted.
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3127 [20:49:20] <jmcnaught> it means that they're probably identical though, especially if there is no reason to believe someone has tampered with anything
3128 [20:49:47] <Hoolootwo> oh, I missed that message, nevermind
3129 [20:50:00] <ranix> if all your files pass debsums the chance of them corrupted is probably less than the chance of being attacked by a shark on the way to work
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3131 [20:50:37] <DHowett> jhutchins_wk: sorry, I mean that the library on system A has md5sum A, and dpkg supports that (dpkg/info/libhogweed4.md5sums contains A) and the library on system B has md5sum B and dpkg corroborates B as well.
3132 [20:50:49] <Hoolootwo> I would expect debsums to not use a broken hash though :/
3133 [20:50:50] <DHowett> jhutchins_wk: but the package version is the same on both.
3134 [20:51:00] <JPT> disk corruptions will probably alter files in a "random" kind of fashion. so the odds of a disk corruption altering a file in a way that a hash collision occurs is low enough for most use cases.
3135 [20:51:13] <ranix> Hoolootwo: why not? it's good enough
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3138 [20:51:32] <Hoolootwo> for checking whether there's been a corruption, yeah
3139 [20:52:20] <JPT> On the other hand, if you're looking to verify that one binary is still the same trusted one while a skilled attacker could have created a bad version with a colliding hash, that's a different story.
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3141 [20:52:44] <greycat> right
3142 [20:53:03] <Hoolootwo> I would like to trust debsums but on the same note, it only checks it against /var/lib/dpkg/info/, which could have also been changed by an attacker
3143 [20:53:16] <ranix> I don't think debsums are a security measure
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3145 [20:53:25] <greycat> debsums is not intended for that, no.
3146 [20:53:30] <ranix> the security would come from the keyring
3147 [20:53:31] <Hoolootwo> yeah, looking at how it works, I agree
3148 [20:53:45] <ranix> the auth that you use to determine the server you download your packages from is authentic
3149 [20:54:10] <ranix> there have been some scares in the past like when kernel.org got owned
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3151 [20:54:34] <ranix> I wouldn't mind fully signed packages
3152 [20:54:40] <ranix> but it sounds nontrivial
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3157 [20:55:36] <Hoolootwo> while nontrivial, it would certainly be a nice security feature
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3162 [20:55:46] <DHowett> My concern is that the package content changed without the version number being changed; the package hash from the source is over a versioned filename and should prevent cases like this.
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3169 [20:58:00] <Zedax> hey there , i know is not directly related with the channel however... , do you have any recommendation for linux certifications that are still relevant or worth? in a try to "look better" for potential employers? for someone with years of sysadmin experience but no certs or degree in IT, anything besides the RHCA/RHCE (is that still worth..?), anyone knows the SUSE certs? (thanks!)
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3171 [20:59:08] <jhutchins_wk> DHowett: I would say it's probably just a matter of sloppy packaging. WHat about dates of the files in the .deb?
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3174 [21:00:13] <JPT> Zedax: Not sure about the reputation and stuff about LPI, but if you're curious you can take a peek: replaced-url
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3177 [21:00:29] <DHowett> jhutchins_wk: they differ a bit. i'll just chalk it up to repackaging on unstable; thanks!
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3181 [21:01:02] <jhutchins_wk> hash collisions are what blockchain is all about.
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3186 [21:03:04] <darsie> dpkg://flash stretch/ tells me to get flash plugin from replaced-url
3187 [21:03:05] <dpkg> darsie: You are person #2 to send an unparseable request
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3189 [21:03:32] <greycat> For firefox, you want NPAPI. But I use the .tar.gz not a .deb.
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3191 [21:03:47] <darsie> ok
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3194 [21:04:13] <greycat> PPAPI is for the chrom* family
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3203 [21:09:23] <DHowett> jhutchins_wk: actually, yeah, I grabbed the wrong dates. They're identical (!)
3204 [21:09:27] <darsie> I put libflashplayer.so to /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/ , restarted firefox and replaced-url
3205 [21:10:00] <greycat> I've been putting it in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
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3210 [21:10:55] <greycat> There is also a /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ directory that you could try, but I don't know whether that works.
3211 [21:10:57] <darsie> I have ~/.mozilla/extensions
3212 [21:11:10] <greycat> wooledg:~$ ls .mozilla/
3213 [21:11:10] <greycat> extensions firefox plugins
3214 [21:11:18] <darsie> what?
3215 [21:11:20] <greycat> Just mkdir it if need be.
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3217 [21:11:22] <darsie> ok
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3220 [21:11:35] <jhutchins_wk> That's one of the great things about mozilla. Standards? What standards?
3221 [21:11:50] <greycat> Who needs backward compatibility? Who needs end user documentation?
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3229 [21:15:49] <darsie> /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ worked. You could update dpkg://flash stretch/
3230 [21:15:50] <darsie> thx
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3233 [21:16:59] <greycat> dpkg, flash stretch =~ s#/usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/#/usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ (for firefox)#
3234 [21:16:59] <dpkg> OK, greycat
3235 [21:17:09] <greycat> Any idea where it goes for chromium?
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3237 [21:17:14] <darsie> nope
3238 [21:17:43] <petn-randall> For chromium there's a package.
3239 [21:18:26] <darsie> petn-randall: What does petn mean?
3240 [21:18:40] <greycat> dpkg, flash stretch =~ s#plugin from#plugin (npapi tar.gz) from#
3241 [21:18:41] <dpkg> greycat: OK
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3250 [21:22:20] <petn-randall> ,v pepperflashplugin-nonfree
3251 [21:22:21] <judd> Package: pepperflashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/contrib: 1.4~bpo60+1; jessie/contrib: 1.8.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1; buster/contrib: 1.8.3+nmu1
3252 [21:22:32] <petn-randall> darsie: Seems as though it doesn't exist for stretch. ^^^
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3261 [21:24:29] <solemnwarning> Hello
3262 [21:24:46] <solemnwarning> I've just upgraded my server to stretch and it won't boot under Xen any more
3263 [21:25:07] <solemnwarning> Kernel starts, but it only runs for a short while before locking up
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3266 [21:25:30] <solemnwarning> Timestamps in the kernel log increment at an obscene rate and they bounce about between CPUs after it initialises the extra ones
3267 [21:25:36] <solemnwarning> replaced-url
3268 [21:26:00] <solemnwarning> (That was only running for a few seconds, not the 20 minutes the last time implies)
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3270 [21:26:32] <solemnwarning> I see warnings about hung tasks and timeouts from drivers if the kernel survives long enough to start them, so I'm guessing the timing being off is basically making the kernel die
3271 [21:27:05] <solemnwarning> Runs fine if I boot the same kernel not using xen
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3293 [21:40:08] <fly_agaric> hello guys, can someone tell me if i can repair a RAW partition from a macbook pro?
3294 [21:40:44] <teraflops> fly_agaric: raw?
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3296 [21:41:27] <fly_agaric> i put the ssd into my windows pc and windows recognizes it as raw even with the bootcamp drivers installed it should be hpfs+
3297 [21:41:39] <teraflops> ah
3298 [21:42:05] <fly_agaric> i wonder if debian live os could help here
3299 [21:42:18] <teraflops> no you cant unless the host OS recognizes the fs and has the right tool
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3302 [21:43:31] <fly_agaric> is there really no possibility for debian?
3303 [21:43:36] <fly_agaric> because i hate mac os
3304 [21:43:49] <fly_agaric> its not gnu
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3307 [21:44:19] <teraflops> fly_agaric: idk, search for hfs+ stuff in debian repos
3308 [21:44:26] <greycat> I would not expect Windows to be able to repair a Mac OS X file system.
3309 [21:44:50] <fly_agaric> for some reason debian is nearer to mac os x then windows
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3311 [21:45:02] <fly_agaric> isnt mac os x from unix kernel?
3312 [21:45:08] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Not without third party toools - which I wouldn't trust.
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3314 [21:45:14] <greycat> It has BSD roots, yes.
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3316 [21:45:37] <n4dir> if you really hate mac os, you could install (for example) debian instead. iirc
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3318 [21:45:49] <n4dir> well: i do recall correct. if nothing has changed.
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3321 [21:46:21] <teraflops> they _paid_ for the unix certification if you meant that
3322 [21:46:34] <fly_agaric> both in windows + debian the creation of a new partition fails
3323 [21:46:57] <teraflops> it's amazing what corporations can do with enough money
3324 [21:47:19] <n4dir> looks pretty much unix-like to me.
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3326 [21:48:20] <teraflops> fly_agaric: again, you need the the right tool for the file system being recognized and also being repaired if the ship such tools
3327 [21:48:28] <teraflops> they^
3328 [21:48:42] <fly_agaric> i tried a 2nd ssd i did a diskpart clean in windows
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3330 [21:48:56] <fly_agaric> but create parttion primary fails as the debian partition
3331 [21:49:01] <teraflops> fly_agaric: you want just erasing it?
3332 [21:49:23] <fly_agaric> no I basically want to backup all my data on the 1st drive and install an os on the 2nd
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3335 [21:49:46] <fly_agaric> the macbook only has 1 slot for a sata
3336 [21:50:04] <fly_agaric> so i put in the 2nd ssd to just install a clean os
3337 [21:50:08] <n4dir> fly_agaric: wiki.debian.org has got infos about macbooks. perhaps you can find relevant info there.
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3339 [21:50:39] <teraflops> i dont think hfs+ is well supported under linux
3340 [21:51:06] <teraflops> hfs is, but it lacks of journaling and it's old
3341 [21:51:08] <Pwnna> does anyone know anything about gnu parallel? Specifically if i can change the number of jobs while it's in flight?
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3344 [21:52:14] <aZz7eCh> best place to share a dialog window screenshot with you guys ?
3345 [21:52:57] <greycat> Make someone want to see it, first.
3346 [21:53:07] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: curl -F c=@path/to/a/file replaced-url
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3349 [21:54:46] <luv> what the ....
3350 [21:54:52] <luv> debian still does not support uefi??
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3352 [21:55:08] <greycat> Debian has supported UEFI for a long time.
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3355 [21:55:16] <teraflops> for a very long time
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3357 [21:55:26] <greycat> What problem are you having, luv?
3358 [21:55:27] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
3359 [21:55:27] <aZz7eCh> tions to my servers anymore
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3361 [21:55:48] <aZz7eCh> jessie btw
3362 [21:56:16] <luv> can't even install debian when I boot from usb "via UEFI" ... it gets stuck in a black screen just after I hit "installer in the grub menu
3363 [21:56:51] <luv> in not-uefi the installer starts but gets stuck on that annoying bug when it says "can't find cdrom" ... and mounting /dev/sdb1 /cdrom does not help either in this case?!
3364 [21:57:09] <luv> thats deb 9.1.0
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3367 [21:57:36] <n4dir> aZz7eCh: sshfs mounts via fstab?
3368 [21:57:39] <greycat> luv: what image did you put on the USB stick, and how did you put it there?
3369 [21:57:58] <aZz7eCh> n4dir no, i call them via a script that runs when i log into gnome
3370 [21:58:23] <n4dir> might be more interesting to see the script than the screenshot.
3371 [21:58:34] <luv> cp debian-9.1.0-amd64-netinst.iso /dev/sdb
3372 [21:58:35] <luv> sync
3373 [21:58:35] <n4dir> but you say it worked before, as far i understand
3374 [21:59:01] <aZz7eCh> i have never seen this happen before in 4 years of running jessie on here
3375 [21:59:03] <mongo2> luv, some laptops come with disks in software raid mode, and they will need to be changed to AHCI mode, even if they only have one disk, but also does it have nvidia graphics?
3376 [21:59:04] <n4dir> next question: if you don't run the script, all is fine? If you then sshfs mount "manually" does that work?
3377 [21:59:11] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: so tried commenting out such calls, and trying by hand so you can see whats going on?
3378 [21:59:11] <aZz7eCh> okay let me run it manually
3379 [21:59:16] <antiantiall> anybody have a good walkthrough in making resolution stick when running debian on ESXi? console has different resolution than X and X crashes often if I resize my vm window
3380 [21:59:30] <luv> mongo2: not a laptop, yes nvidia graphics
3381 [21:59:31] <aZz7eCh> ahh okay yep will fiddle and see what happens manually cli
3382 [21:59:32] <aZz7eCh> stand by
3383 [21:59:39] <n4dir> good luck
3384 [22:00:02] <mongo2> luv, which nvidia card? the 1080ti?
3385 [22:00:02] <teraflops> antiantiall: install guest additions or whatever it's called (in the guest obv)
3386 [22:00:07] <luv> mongo2: nope, 1060
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3388 [22:00:24] <antiantiall> @terflops I have open-vm-tools installed
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3391 [22:00:55] <teraflops> what's wrong with guest additions?
3392 [22:01:13] <antiantiall> is that a different package?
3393 [22:01:26] <mongo2> luv, OK at least on the UEFI side it is likely to be the nouveau driver, but are you trying to dual boot and keep windows?
3394 [22:01:34] <teraflops> idk, I never heard of those tools before
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3400 [22:01:53] <luv> fresh box, don't use windows at all
3401 [22:01:54] <luv> nou
3402 [22:01:58] <aZz7eCh> n4dir, teraflops ... ran manually cli ... damn thing asked for the password for both servers. so typed it in. why would my machine have lost credentials suddenly like this ?
3403 [22:02:05] <luv> nouveau - don't care either ... text mode install is ok
3404 [22:02:13] <antiantiall> teraflops: looks like guest editions is the virtualbox equivelent of vmware's tools
3405 [22:02:15] <mongo2> luv: if you don't need to maintain a windows install, check the bios and make sure the disks are in AHCI mode, but if you are on windows you will need to do some extra steps to keep windows bootable
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3407 [22:02:25] <luv> umm will try
3408 [22:02:30] <luv> though i doubt it will help
3409 [22:02:32] <mongo2> luv: try the server ISO if graphfics don't matter.
3410 [22:02:38] <luv> i use netinst
3411 [22:03:16] <luv> no server ISO here replaced-url
3412 [22:03:26] <greycat> netinst with non-graphical install should work, one hopes
3413 [22:03:34] <n4dir> probably as such a thing doesn't exist.
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3415 [22:04:06] <luv> :-D
3416 [22:04:06] <teraflops> antiantiall: yeah, sorry I meant vmware tools
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3422 [22:04:28] <aZz7eCh> *relogging to see if it does it automatically again now
3423 [22:04:29] <luv> and what's up with that "can't cdrom" bug when installing from usb?
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3426 [22:05:01] <luv> i get that every single time when installing debian ... and i prefer the usb installation media the preferred way (cd foo.iso /dev/sdb or dd if=foo.iso /dev/sdb)
3427 [22:05:02] <teraflops> antiantiall: which video driver is the host using?
3428 [22:05:24] <luv> the problem is that now i still get the error even after doing "mount /dev/sdb2 /cdrom"
3429 [22:05:27] <luv> strange!
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3431 [22:05:51] <luv> "can't find cdrom"
3432 [22:06:01] <teraflops> in the host you tell the vm to use a video device, in vm properties
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3436 [22:07:05] <teraflops> ,v xserver-xorg-video-vmware
3437 [22:07:06] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-vmware on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.0.2-1+b1; jessie: 1:13.0.2-3.1; sid: 1:13.2.1-1+b1; buster: 1:13.2.1-1+b1; stretch: 1:13.2.1-1+b1
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3443 [22:08:25] <antiantiall> teraflops: i've got auto-detect settings or custom settings on the ESXI server for the vm settings
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3447 [22:09:06] <aZz7eCh> okay so. guys. every reboot, this thing is now asking me to enter the passwords for all the servers i'm sshfs'ing to locally here.... utter nightmare ... please, any clues WHy ?
3448 [22:09:58] <teraflops> antiantiall: tried custom, and then played with resolution in the guest?
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3451 [22:10:26] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: this thing beeing what…
3452 [22:10:32] <antiantiall> teraflops i can get the guest to change resolution, but the changes don't stick through tty changes or reboots
3453 [22:10:40] <teraflops> antiantiall: also check you have xserver-xorg-video-vmware installed on the guest, if debian, it's on the repos
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3455 [22:10:51] <antiantiall> teraflops: package not found
3456 [22:10:56] <antiantiall> on apt
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3458 [22:11:01] <teraflops> ,v xserver-xorg-video-vmware
3459 [22:11:02] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-vmware on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:12.0.2-1+b1; jessie: 1:13.0.2-3.1; sid: 1:13.2.1-1+b1; buster: 1:13.2.1-1+b1; stretch: 1:13.2.1-1+b1
3460 [22:11:04] <hossman> could you please kindly help me setup an ap on debian? After being unsuccesful trying with NM and nmtui someon here suggested hostapd. I used this guide to set it up replaced-url
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3463 [22:12:38] <aZz7eCh> apollo13 i'm getting a dialog box prompt for passwords to all my sshfs connections when i log into gnome, like my system has lost credentials for them all and refuses to now remember them
3464 [22:12:46] <aZz7eCh> have never seen this in 4 years ever ...
3465 [22:13:14] <masoudd_> Hi, I want to start a server that binds to port 80 as a non root user (replaced-url
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3468 [22:13:55] <AndChat587225> hi everyone.
3469 [22:14:18] <aZz7eCh> apollo13, like this: replaced-url
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3472 [22:14:33] <AndChat587225> i am on my Android tablet. i try to install Debian through "gnuroot Debian"
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3474 [22:14:42] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: that doesn't seem like a standard program for gnome keyring or anything
3475 [22:14:46] <n4dir> aZz7eCh: having to either give the ssh-passphrase or to unlock the ssh-key (both after) reboot doesn't sound unusual to me
3476 [22:14:50] <aZz7eCh> apollo13, i know right
3477 [22:14:50] <apollo13> looks like tcl, ie something old :D
3478 [22:15:07] <aZz7eCh> n4dir, have never had to in 4 years
3479 [22:15:16] <aZz7eCh> its getting its credentials, from file
3480 [22:15:22] <n4dir> ok.
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3482 [22:15:33] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: again, what is "this"
3483 [22:15:40] <apollo13> which program etc…
3484 [22:15:45] <apollo13> it is not a standard gnome thing…
3485 [22:15:53] <teraflops> AndChat587225: I dont think that's officially supported
3486 [22:16:05] <aZz7eCh> o0... its merely a script running a sshfs command when you log into gnome - nothing amazing
3487 [22:16:06] <AndChat587225> Jessy's installation works well. Update and upgrade too. But when I want to upgrade to stretch, I got an error with libc6. It asks me to update the kernel but I don't manage to do it.
3488 [22:16:08] <aZz7eCh> creates a connection
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3491 [22:16:32] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: *sigh*
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3493 [22:16:48] <greycat> aZz7eCh: so debug the script, OUTSIDE the context of gnome. Run it from a terminal. Make it work again.
3494 [22:16:52] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: but that question box has to come from somewhere, it doesn't look like a standard gnome passprhase dialog
3495 [22:17:01] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
3496 [22:17:05] <aZz7eCh> this is all thats being run
3497 [22:17:14] <greycat> He coud have set the SSH_whatever variable to run any kind of weird password-asker.
3498 [22:17:15] <aZz7eCh> where this dialog box has come from "IS" my original question
3499 [22:17:24] <aZz7eCh> "What" is this dialog box, being my second.
3500 [22:17:24] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: then your identity files are borked
3501 [22:17:25] <greycat> SSH_ASKPASS
3502 [22:17:28] <apollo13> retry with just ssh
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3504 [22:17:42] <greycat> apollo13: or his agent is borked
3505 [22:17:46] <aZz7eCh> greycat, i did run it at the command line - it simply Asked for my apsswords again
3506 [22:17:47] <apollo13> or that
3507 [22:17:50] <aZz7eCh> no error
3508 [22:17:54] <aZz7eCh> simply wants the passwords
3509 [22:17:58] <greycat> aZz7eCh: is it *supposed* to ask for your password?
3510 [22:18:00] <AndChat587225> teraflops: thx for your answer. It manage to install jessy in a chrrot environment. My problem is to upgrade it to stretch. I think, some people here could maybe have an idea
3511 [22:18:16] <teraflops> AndChat587225: yeah sure, just saying
3512 [22:18:20] <aZz7eCh> greycat, certainly not? they're mounted local network shares to my own fs ...
3513 [22:18:22] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: run ssh -vvvv -o I… and show the output
3514 [22:18:30] <apollo13> also check the auth log on the target systems
3515 [22:18:42] <greycat> also check your SSH_ASKPASS environment variable
3516 [22:19:09] <aZz7eCh> sshAskPass is the name of that gui dialog if i hover over its icon running in the whatsit bar
3517 [22:19:12] <apollo13> (remove any sensitive data from the logs first)
3518 [22:19:20] <aZz7eCh> yet its window title is as you saw
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3523 [22:20:33] <n4dir> aZz7eCh: certainly it is supposed to ask for the passphrase. the content of the script you gave only shows the IdentityFile it is supposed to ask the passphrase for. (or i am confused)
3524 [22:21:22] <apollo13> n4dir: the picture suggests that it is asking for the user password on the remote machine
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3526 [22:21:39] <apollo13> which seems to indicate that pubkey auth failed and it therefor falls back to interactive password auth
3527 [22:21:50] <greycat> If *I* were designing the thing, I would rely on the ssh-agent to supply the credentials. You should normally have things set up so that you enter your passPHRASE (not passWORD) one time into the ssh-agent at login.
3528 [22:21:54] <aZz7eCh> i can assure you i have never had to enter every single sshfs passwrod every time i reboot jsut to have them mounted locally ... half my system storage runs live from at leats 2 other servers here ... for 4 years now. no i certainly have never had to do this before, ever. the first time i set it up, maybe, yeah.
3529 [22:21:54] <apollo13> hence ssh -vvv and outputs of the server side logs
3530 [22:21:58] <n4dir> thanks. let me have a look again, apollo13
3531 [22:22:16] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: again, please provide the ssh -vvvv output and server logs
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3533 [22:22:49] <AndChat587225> replaced-url
3534 [22:22:59] <aZz7eCh> so far they're all invalid inputs
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3537 [22:23:12] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: what are you trying to execute?
3538 [22:23:55] <apollo13> ssh -vvv -oIdentityFile=~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@host or so should work
3539 [22:24:09] <aZz7eCh> ty
3540 [22:24:21] <greycat> The identity file should not end with .pub
3541 [22:24:43] <apollo13> oh true that
3542 [22:24:50] <apollo13> I just autocompleted it :D
3543 [22:25:00] <apollo13> (to far apparently)
3544 [22:25:14] <greycat> and anywah, ~/.ssh/id_rsa is one of the files it tries automatically, so you wouldn't need -i for that
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3546 [22:25:35] <apollo13> who knows what else is in ~/.ssh/config :D
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3548 [22:26:40] <AndChat587225> dist-upgrade error : replaced-url
3549 [22:26:42] <aZz7eCh> its that much of a wall of text ... i'm having a hard time seeing what would be sensitive information to omit
3550 [22:27:10] <apollo13> to be honest, I think there shouldn't be really any sensitive info in it, but I am not 100% sure
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3553 [22:27:48] <nkuttler> ,v libc6
3554 [22:27:49] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; buster: 2.24-12; sid: 2.24-14
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3556 [22:27:56] <aZz7eCh> replaced-url
3557 [22:28:04] <apollo13> AndChat587225: what does lsb_release -a show?
3558 [22:28:18] <nkuttler> AndChat587225: can you install dialog?
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3560 [22:28:52] <nkuttler> AndChat587225: and uname -a
3561 [22:28:57] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: well, your server rejected the public key
3562 [22:29:02] <nkuttler> ,kernels
3563 [22:29:03] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1+b1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch-backports: 4.11.0-0.bpo.1-686 (4.11.6-1~bpo9+1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u3); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports:
3564 [22:29:04] <judd> 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae (3.2.89-2)
3565 [22:29:05] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: so what did you change on the server
3566 [22:29:11] <aZz7eCh> absolutely nothing
3567 [22:29:16] <aZz7eCh> and theres more than one server
3568 [22:29:35] <nkuttler> c
3569 [22:29:49] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: then check the server logs
3570 [22:29:51] <teraflops> nkuttler: are you aware AndChat587225 is using chrooted in android tablet?
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3572 [22:30:26] <AndChat587225> uname -a sho the kernel of android
3573 [22:30:26] <teraflops> chroot^
3574 [22:30:38] <AndChat587225> lsb_release : command not found
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3576 [22:30:48] <nkuttler> pfff..
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3579 [22:31:10] <nkuttler> "Please upgrade your kernel before installing glibc" is pretty clear, isn't it?
3580 [22:31:23] <AndChat587225> installing lsb_release
3581 [22:31:53] <AndChat587225> I tried to do it but I probably do it wrong
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3591 [22:35:47] <nvz> I am experiencing some odd behavior with a script that is suppose to stop nodm, slay a user, unmount their homedir, and close their crypt, and when I run it while their session is running it is restarting nodm before it slays replaced-url
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3599 [22:36:59] <AndChat587225> lsb_releasse : replaced-url
3600 [22:37:34] <hossman> Hi i'm trying to setup hostapd. after many trials and errors Ive managed to get my android to connect to the ap and get an ip address, but there's no internet connectivity. I followed this guide replaced-url
3601 [22:37:35] <aZz7eCh> apollo13, error: key_verify: error in libcrypto provide any hint ?
3602 [22:38:01] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: yeah, what did you do on the target machines :D
3603 [22:38:11] <aZz7eCh> NOTHING
3604 [22:38:15] <aZz7eCh> absolutely nothing.
3605 [22:38:18] <teraflops> magic!
3606 [22:38:30] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: that is absolutely the thing that I doubt
3607 [22:38:39] <aZz7eCh> .... they're file servers dude
3608 [22:38:43] <aZz7eCh> they sit there and run
3609 [22:38:45] <apollo13> I am not your dude
3610 [22:38:45] <aZz7eCh> 4 years now
3611 [22:38:55] <apollo13> I hope they saw updates over those 4 years
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3613 [22:39:08] <aZz7eCh> holly got an apt-get update the other day.
3614 [22:39:12] <aZz7eCh> :)
3615 [22:39:17] <apollo13> …
3616 [22:39:24] <apollo13> that is your freaking definition of nothing?
3617 [22:39:32] <apollo13> I am out of this crap
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3619 [22:39:40] <aZz7eCh> upgraydd as well. two d's for a double dose of pimpin.
3620 [22:39:57] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: look at apt log for the packages that got updated
3621 [22:40:16] <teraflops> that's a good start
3622 [22:40:32] <apollo13> who wants to bet on enabled 3rd party repos :D
3623 [22:40:38] <teraflops> not me
3624 [22:40:40] <teraflops> :P
3625 [22:40:59] <apollo13> feel free to bet against it, I want to win that bet anyways
3626 [22:41:13] <aZz7eCh> under the var/log/apt folder - history.log ?
3627 [22:41:13] <teraflops> oh wait I misread
3628 [22:41:20] <AndChat587225> trying to upgrade kernel : replaced-url
3629 [22:41:21] <teraflops> no idea, to be honest
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3631 [22:41:24] <aZz7eCh> its empty. unzip the first one that has data ?
3632 [22:41:26] <greycat> My first thought was RSA key expired, but I don't even know if ssh RSA keys *can* expire. Couldn't immediately find anything in the man page.
3633 [22:41:45] <apollo13> greycat: you can use ssh certificates that expire
3634 [22:41:50] <apollo13> raw rsa keys not afaik
3635 [22:42:12] <apollo13> greycat: ssh-keygen should show something in the manpage
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3639 [22:42:27] <apollo13> -V it is
3640 [22:42:30] <greycat> that was where I looked, and I saw stuff about expiration on a certificate
3641 [22:42:58] <apollo13> right, but that afaik only applies when you use the certificate mode
3642 [22:43:00] <apollo13> ie with a CA
3643 [22:43:20] <teraflops> if openssh got updated, no idea, maybe they are using and old and unsupported cipher
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3646 [22:43:35] <apollo13> no, rsa is still supported as key format
3647 [22:43:36] <elfuego> anyone knows how to install git 2.14.1 on debian jesse, tried using replaced-url
3648 [22:43:42] <apollo13> unsupported cipher would fail before
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3651 [22:44:03] <greycat> elfuego: NEVER EVER EVER use an ubuntu repository on debian
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3653 [22:44:08] <apollo13> elfuego: why do you need git 2.14.1? jessie is afaik still supported and should have got patches for the latest cve
3654 [22:44:11] <greycat> ,v git
3655 [22:44:13] <judd> Package: git on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy3; wheezy-security: 1:1.7.10.4-1+wheezy4; wheezy-backports: 1:1.9.1-1~bpo70+2; jessie: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u3; jessie-security: 1:2.1.4-2.1+deb8u4; jessie-backports: 1:2.11.0-3~bpo8+1; stretch: 1:2.11.0-3; stretch-security: 1:2.11.0-3+deb9u1; buster: 1:2.13.2-3; sid: 1:2.14.1-1
3656 [22:44:26] <apollo13> elfuego: see replaced-url
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3659 [22:45:28] <apollo13> if you want 2.14.1 because of features I'd try backporting from unstable
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3661 [22:45:38] <greycat> I'd also like to hear what sparkly git feature of 2.14.1 is not present in 2.11.0 and is so urgently needed
3662 [22:45:43] <darsie> Midomi.com doesn't record :(. It stays at 0:00.
3663 [22:46:48] <darsie> I allowed acces to cam and mic, let flash remember that, allowed storing data, selected webcam mic instead of sound card.
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3666 [22:47:58] <darsie> flash 'settings...' are disabled and greyed out, but I can delete settings with replaced-url
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3668 [22:48:50] <apollo13> darsie: sounds like a feature, why would you want flash *shrug*
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3670 [22:49:07] <teraflops> darsie: so, youre getting errors with a non debian related site plus flash?
3671 [22:49:10] <elfuego> apollo13: I need that version of git to patch CVE-2017-1000117 without upgrading jesse image
3672 [22:49:21] <apollo13> elfuego: no you do not, see my link
3673 [22:49:31] <apollo13> elfuego: jessie already has a patched version
3674 [22:49:43] <darsie> apollo13: To have midomi recognize songs.
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3676 [22:49:59] <darsie> teraflops: Yes, with debian.
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3678 [22:50:09] <apollo13> and how is upgrading an image (whatever that means) different from adding a new repo and pulling that :D
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3680 [22:50:28] <teraflops> darsie: you did not even say wich web browser youre using
3681 [22:50:55] <darsie> Firefox ESR 52.2.0 (64-bit)
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3684 [22:51:28] <teraflops> darsie: well, at least we expect youre using debian, indeed
3685 [22:51:41] <apollo13> greycat: the conditional configuration from git 2.13 mit be a "sparkly" feature depending on your usecases
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3687 [22:52:07] <darsie> teraflops: Would ##linux be more appropriate?
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3690 [22:52:29] <darsie> Or should I connect to irc.mozilla.org or so?
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3692 [22:52:41] <apollo13> darsie: truth to be told with flash on it's way to die I'd look for another service
3693 [22:52:48] <teraflops> no idea to be honest, trying different browser wouldn't hurt
3694 [22:53:00] <darsie> Trying a different browser hurts.
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3696 [22:53:19] <teraflops> no, using flash hurts
3697 [22:53:50] <teraflops> dont be so pick with browsers and then use flash...
3698 [22:54:22] <apollo13> elfuego: replaced-url
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3700 [22:55:34] <darsie> Does midomi work with some open source flash (or whatever you call it)?
3701 [22:56:00] <teraflops> open source flash thingies are useless 99% of the time
3702 [22:56:00] <apollo13> how would we know?
3703 [22:56:28] <greycat> ,info midomi
3704 [22:56:29] <judd> No package named 'midomi' was found in stretch/amd64.
3705 [22:56:36] <teraflops> midori
3706 [22:57:06] <greycat> It's a *web browser*!? And you're trying to make it use Flash!?
3707 [22:57:11] <teraflops> hehe
3708 [22:57:19] <nvz> would systemd's handling of the virtual consoles stop me from starting a process on one? I'm trying to "rungetty --auto-login user tty9 /bin/bash" and the command is returning with no output and not starting anything on tty9
3709 [22:57:38] <elfuego> apollo13: lol for a little more context, i’m using jesse as a docker image to run my application. But seeing that vulnerability came out a few hours ago I assume that I need to update git given that i’m running on jessie version 8. So i’m figure out what I need to do to get to that. But based on the links you posted, it seem like no action is required which got me confused since this image I presume isn’t the latest and wasn’t updated in the las
3710 [22:57:38] <elfuego> couple of hours
3711 [22:57:46] <darsie> greycat: replaced-url
3712 [22:57:58] <darsie> Music recognition.
3713 [22:58:07] <apollo13> elfuego: there is action required -- you need to rebuild your image to include an updated git
3714 [22:58:21] <greycat> I no longer have any clue at all what you are ... no wait, I never did to begin wtih.
3715 [22:58:22] <teraflops> nvz: replaced-url
3716 [22:58:23] <apollo13> or run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade in the image
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3720 [22:59:43] <teraflops> oh heh I midori midomi ...
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3723 [23:00:05] <teraflops> sorry for my mistake
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3726 [23:00:41] <nvz> teraflops: I'm asking the wrong questions and doing this wrong obviously. I want to be able to spawn my own processes on the terminals without logging in, but more on-demand via a triggerhappy hotkey than at boot
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3729 [23:01:09] <nvz> I apparently still need to somehow activate these consoles for them to be ready to do this
3730 [23:01:21] <aZz7eCh> okay. apollo13 , teraflops , greycat , would you like me to share how i have resolved this ?
3731 [23:01:35] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: only if I win my bet :þ
3732 [23:01:42] <apollo13> jokes aside, I am curious
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3734 [23:02:23] <greycat> I always like to hear how people solve their issues.
3735 [23:02:35] <teraflops> nvz: ah try somthing like replaced-url
3736 [23:02:57] <teraflops> apollo13: sure
3737 [23:03:01] <teraflops> ahg
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3739 [23:03:08] <teraflops> aZz7eCh: sure
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3741 [23:03:44] <nvz> teraflops: so I set these up as systemd service units and have them disabled so I can start them manually is the idea then right?
3742 [23:03:59] <aZz7eCh> okay. In gnome.. I opened Passwords and Keys. Seahorse? i believe. Anyway. Randomly trying things... I added entries under Secure Shell / OpenSSH keys, for my server login details. (Create Key and Set up) Then. When i reboto my machine, gnome asked for hte key to be authenticated - and i ticked the box for "unlock this key every time gnome starts" ... and voila. eveyr reboot my sshfs script is now connecting to my sshfs servers just fine on
3743 [23:04:00] <aZz7eCh> boot.
3744 [23:04:08] <teraflops> nvz: you can even pass the tty number via @ to the service if you set it up properly
3745 [23:04:18] <aZz7eCh> never needed to do this before ...but somehow - it has ='d a resolution.
3746 [23:04:28] <teraflops> nvz: systemctl start myttythngy
3747 [23:04:29] <greycat> So it was a borked agent after all.
3748 [23:05:52] <teraflops> nvz: do not enable it, just start/stop it
3749 [23:06:27] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: create and setup would create a new key and configure your servers accordingly I guess? so not real idea of the cause
3750 [23:06:42] <apollo13> greycat: mhm, the logs seemed to disagree
3751 [23:06:44] <aZz7eCh> yep still clueless as to what the problem is lol
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3753 [23:07:02] <aZz7eCh> i'm thinking i need to recopy MY public credentials to the servers ? i have no idea
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3755 [23:07:19] <aZz7eCh> but doesn't matter now - this way i have gui control and can redo it if need be down the track
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3757 [23:07:43] <apollo13> aZz7eCh: out of fun, login to the server and check how many keys .ssh/authorized_keys contains
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3759 [23:07:49] <aZz7eCh> okay
3760 [23:07:50] <apollo13> I think you just created and added a new one
3761 [23:07:55] <aZz7eCh> yep no doubt
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3764 [23:08:31] <aZz7eCh> yes
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3766 [23:08:34] <aZz7eCh> it has two entires now
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3769 [23:09:27] <greycat> It's probably sending both keys, and the server simply uses the old one and ignores the new one.
3770 [23:09:48] <aZz7eCh> .. then why is it unhappy with the old one on its own ?
3771 [23:09:51] <nvz> teraflops: hmm. yes I keep trying to do things manually because I'm still figuring out this systemd and what it can do. I'm looking through the manuals now trying to see how that specifying a tty and runtime would work, and that's escaping me at the moment. For now I don't need it, but it would be interesting to learn
3772 [23:10:01] <greycat> Whatever you did with the new key is a red herring; the real fix is you unborked whatever was screwed up with respect to the *original* key, so the agent is offering it once again.
3773 [23:10:18] <aZz7eCh> hmm
3774 [23:10:22] <apollo13> I would just delete the new fingerprint from authorized_keys and retry :D
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3776 [23:10:27] <aZz7eCh> so i could try deleting these new ones
3777 [23:10:28] <aZz7eCh> kk
3778 [23:10:31] <apollo13> also the new key
3779 [23:10:38] <apollo13> then increase server logging and see what happens
3780 [23:10:50] <greycat> Did the authorized_keys files actually change on the remotes?
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3782 [23:11:03] <aZz7eCh> yep
3783 [23:11:08] <aZz7eCh> because its put the new on i just made in up there
3784 [23:11:10] <greycat> That is bizarre as hell.
3785 [23:11:11] <aZz7eCh> one*
3786 [23:11:24] <apollo13> well another option would also be that controlmaster is now in effect
3787 [23:11:33] <apollo13> which could mask the issue till a reboot or so :D
3788 [23:11:45] <aZz7eCh> i've done multiple reboots after making these new keys
3789 [23:11:50] <apollo13> ah
3790 [23:11:57] <aZz7eCh> then logged back in here to tell yas
3791 [23:11:58] <aZz7eCh> ;)
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3811 [23:22:40] <darsie> omfg, it's recording!
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3814 [23:24:57] <darsie> and recognizing music.
3815 [23:25:10] <darsie> Thank you dear FSM!
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3817 [23:25:53] <darsie> I turned privacy plugins off and on and did the recording test on midomi.com.
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3823 [23:26:31] <elfuego> apollo13: it’ll be kinda tricky for me to do an image rebuild, beause jessie is an upstream dependency for the node images i’m using, so I was hoping for more of a standalone git update without requiring jessie rebuild
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3827 [23:27:45] <apollo13> elfuego: that makes no sense, adding a ppa (which will not work) and installing that is in no way less invasive than running apt update && apt upgrade on the existing image
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3838 [23:34:29] <Qas> hello, I had installed jessie and later I upgraded to stretch. I guess therefore the stretch sources appear commented out in "etc/apt/sources.list.save" file. so I should uncomment them now?
3839 [23:34:34] <Qas> replaced-url
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3845 [23:38:38] <towo`> sources.list.save is not used by apt
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3850 [23:42:51] <Qas> I am not too sure but I think it was just "sources.list" when I entered jessie sources and commented out these.
3851 [23:42:59] <Qas> I mean the stretch ones
3852 [23:43:12] <Qas> so it's ok to leave them as they are?
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3861 [23:46:18] <HotSwap> Hi. Curious if anyone knows how to enable root ssh login via preseed in stretch. I'm trying to script something, and have tried a couple solutions I found online, but they don't seem to be working for me in stretch.
3862 [23:46:24] <Masterphi> how do i enable root login via ssh? adding PermitRootLogin without-password and yes doesn't seem to work
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3866 [23:49:41] <armin> Masterphi: did you restart sshd after changing your config file?
3867 [23:49:45] <Masterphi> yeah
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3869 [23:49:52] <armin> should do then
3870 [23:49:56] <Masterphi> even tried rebooting to make sure
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3873 [23:50:57] <armin> Masterphi: sure you got "PasswordAuthentication=" right? are you trying to log in via password?
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3876 [23:51:14] <Masterphi> on the logs it says "Failed publickey for root from......."
3877 [23:51:32] <Masterphi> armin: yeah, should be via password
3878 [23:51:48] <armin> try logging in via ssh using "-vvv" or something
3879 [23:51:57] <armin> and see what authentication methods you're being offered
3880 [23:51:59] <hicks__> Check PasswordAuthentication and ChallengeResponseAuthentication
3881 [23:52:21] <hicks__> although for root auth, I'd recommend using keys if possible, or ssh in via regular account then sudo or su
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3883 [23:52:46] <Masterphi> armin: debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,password
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3885 [23:52:59] <Masterphi> then it just says Permission denied, please try again.
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3888 [23:53:58] <hicks__> did you configure a root password during install?
3889 [23:54:14] <Masterphi> yup
3890 [23:54:21] <hicks__> not that then :)
3891 [23:54:30] <armin> hicks__: good catch though
3892 [23:54:31] <Masterphi> also tried changing the password, with a longer one
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3894 [23:56:24] <Masterphi> i have the sshd running in debug mode too
3895 [23:56:30] <Masterphi> nothing relevant showing up
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3898 [23:57:14] <hicks__> might be worth pasting sshd file to paste.debian.net
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3902 [23:58:09] <Masterphi> is there a way to paste with curl? CLI only on the ssh machine
3903 [23:58:44] <hicks__> I think there's a util that'll paste files to it but I don't recall the name
3904 [23:58:49] <hicks__> someone will hopefully chime in :)
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