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• 29[00:24:52] <MegaManX> hello all
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• 31[00:25:14] <MegaManX> can I ask some basic linux questions in here?
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• 33[00:25:36] <dondelelcaro> MegaManX: if you're using Debian, sure.
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• 35[00:25:51] <MegaManX> yes I am :)
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• 37[00:26:16] <MegaManX> so I am building out my KDE version of jessie which is pretty bare bones
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• 39[00:26:39] <MegaManX> starting to get more interesting package installs, meaning I am cloning githubs
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• 41[00:27:02] <MegaManX> what is the best, or most commonly used folder to store these in when I clone them?
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• 43[00:27:23] <MegaManX> usr/bin/"repo name"
• 44[00:27:24] <MegaManX> ?
• 45[00:27:31] <kkerwin> FunkyBob: You about?
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• 48[00:28:20] <jmcnaught> MegaManX: use /usr/local when you install stuff that isn't packaged for Debian
• 49[00:28:31] <MegaManX> perfect, thank you
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• 51[00:28:41] <heyitsme_> hello folks
• 52[00:28:57] <MegaManX> and if it contains an installer script, and I run it
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• 54[00:29:03] <heyitsme_> I am having issues trying to install nvidia optimus drivers
• 55[00:29:05] <jmcnaught> MegaManX: also I recommend upgrading to stretch before you install a bunch of non-packaged stuff. Maybe in stretch some of those things are packaged, or not necessary?
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• 57[00:29:45] <MegaManX> will it install it somewhere else (some other folder), or will it stay and install where I initially cloned it to
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• 59[00:30:16] <MegaManX> dully noted jmc
• 60[00:30:51] <jmcnaught> MegaManX: where a project compiled from source installs to is a matter of how it is installed. If it's a makefile that copies to /usr/bin then, well that sucks. Have you looked at replaced-url
• 61[00:31:43] <MegaManX> haha, not in a while but it looks like a brush up is in my future
• 62[00:32:14] <MegaManX> does stretch have a ppc version? I am kinda stuck with my hardware limitations
• 63[00:32:19] <jmcnaught> MegaManX: often the happiest Debian users are the ones who only install packages from the official Debian repos. When you install stuff from other sources if you're not careful you risk breaking your system either now, or when you upgrade later on
• 64[00:32:20] <MegaManX> nvm, will check
• 65[00:32:44] <MegaManX> thats ok, I broke it 6 or 7 times already
• 66[00:32:57] <MegaManX> getting faster at starting from scratch
• 67[00:33:09] <MegaManX> and I have a running log of every single move I make
• 68[00:33:19] <MegaManX> started that after the 3rd time
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• 72[00:33:36] <jmcnaught> MegaManX: replaced-url
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• 78[00:34:45] <debiand> given the vnc debian grey screen sad face issue - what is the recommended alternative?
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• 80[00:35:04] <MegaManX> tyvm everyone
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• 84[00:35:34] <MegaManX> I will try to limit my noobness, but I am sure to have plenty of issues
• 85[00:35:44] <MegaManX> only stuff I can't come to terms with on my own
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• 89[00:37:38] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: what have you tried?
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• 93[00:39:22] <heyitsme_> I followed the guide in replaced-url
• 94[00:40:47] <heyitsme_> I installed the following packages nvidia-driver, bumblebee-nvidia, primus
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• 97[00:41:18] <heyitsme_> the issue i'm having is that after reboot I log in and then nothing, everything freezes
• 98[00:41:43] <heyitsme_> and i have to purge nvidia and bublebee to get it to work again
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• 100[00:42:47] <heyitsme_> I am stuck between the login screen and the desktop screen
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• 102[00:43:37] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: have you checked your logs? On Debian 9 Xorg can run without being root, so look in ~/.local/share/xorg for Xorg logs. Xorg.0.log is always the current or most recent X session, Xorg.1.log will be the X session before that
• 103[00:44:04] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: how do you log in to purge the package?
• 104[00:44:46] <heyitsme_> before enter my credentials i ctrl+alt+f2 to go to the terminal
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• 107[00:45:57] <jmcnaught> are you able to switch to console after the freeze? if you have another device that run run an ssh client you can also try connecting to it over the network when it is frozen
• 108[00:47:02] <heyitsme_> no
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• 111[00:47:13] <heyitsme_> I do have another device and i'll try
• 112[00:48:07] <heyitsme_> the ~/.local/share/xorg has 2 files in it Xorg.0.log Xorg.0.log.old
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• 116[00:48:44] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: if you press ctrl+alt+delete 7 times in 2 seconds systemd will try to reboot a little safer than a hard reset (it will try to umount storage)
• 117[00:49:18] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: take a look in both, figure out which one is full of errors, then put that log on replaced-url
• 118[00:49:19] <heyitsme_> when the system is frozen?
• 119[00:51:11] <jmcnaught> heyitsme_: yeah it won't always work but worth a try. there's also the 'magic sysrq key' to attempt a safe(r) reboot when things are locked up: replaced-url
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• 127[00:53:22] <heyitsme_> the .old is empty. Thanks good to know
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• 131[00:55:38] <heyitsme_> I will reinstall nvidia and check the errors
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• 173[01:22:39] <skum> Can someone explain to me how to install pypi?
• 174[01:22:42] <skum> Note: Debian users should use pypi-install from the python-stdeb package instead of pip.
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• 177[01:23:14] <skum> I have PIP installed. Do i need to install pypi-install or python-stdeb from there?
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• 180[01:24:38] <skum> or is python-stdeb an alternative to PIP for debian?
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• 183[01:26:00] <jmcnaught> skum: python-stdeb is a tool to make Debian packages from Python packages. I use pip on Debian, but *never* run it as root. What are you trying to install by the way, are you sure it's not already packaged for Debian?
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• 187[01:27:02] <skum> jmcnaught: i am trying to install py3status from the python packages. It is not already included in the debian repositories
• 188[01:27:18] <skum> jmcnaught: replaced-url
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• 190[01:28:27] <skum> The developer specifically says to use pypi-install to install it.
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• 194[01:29:36] <skum> Back
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• 196[01:31:29] <jmcnaught> skum: read the description of the python-stdeb package, pypi-install is in that package. An alternative to converting the python packages to .deb packages is to use a virtualenv, or use 'pip3 --user' to install for a single user
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• 198[01:32:10] <skum> jmcnaught: Thanks. I installed python-stdeb and then used pypi-install to install the package in needed, and it seems to have worked
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• 218[01:41:28] <dpkg> Hydroxide, dondelelcaro, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, abrotman, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Myon, Ganneff, weasel, zobel, themill, babilen, SynrG, jm_, somiaj, jelly: jmcnaught complains about: ishnyx
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• 264[02:00:12] <tarzeau> shouldn't there be man 5 timezone describing /etc/timezone ?
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• 267[02:00:50] <badargo> how do you move a file from your current directory ? cant you mv . *filetype ?
• 268[02:01:04] <badargo> u also cant mv *filetype
• 269[02:01:07] <badargo> so how?
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• 271[02:01:18] <tarzeau> badargo: . is the directory you're in (pwd)
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• 274[02:01:31] <tarzeau> badargo: you'd have to use mv thefile or ./thefile destination
• 275[02:01:48] <badargo> yes im trying to mv . *fyletype Folder/Folder
• 276[02:02:11] <badargo> oh
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• 279[02:02:35] <badargo> no, its not a special character case...
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• 287[02:04:13] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ mv *class Java/GuessGame/
• 288[02:04:14] <badargo> mv: cannot stat '*class': No such file or directory
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• 292[02:04:50] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ mv *java Java/GuessGame/
• 293[02:04:51] <badargo> mv: cannot stat '*java': No such file or directory
• 294[02:04:54] <badargo> what am i missing?
• 295[02:05:14] <mrjpaxton> Hey, is anyone here really good at ALSA or ALSA config setup? I'm having trouble setting up the ALSA indexes. Other devices keep trying to access index 0, even though I've set snd_hda_intel index=0, I also ahve snd_aloop set so I can use it with OBS.
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• 307[02:11:25] <debiand> badargo: permissions ?
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• 312[02:14:44] <Tramp> badargo: and "ls *java" actually shows files?
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• 314[02:15:09] <badargo> oh sorry
• 315[02:15:15] <badargo> first i typed this
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• 317[02:15:40] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ mv . *java *class Java/GuessGame/
• 318[02:15:40] <badargo> mv: cannot move '.' to 'Java/GuessGame/.': Device or resource busy
• 319[02:15:40] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ mv *java *class Java/GuessGame/
• 320[02:15:45] <badargo> ops
• 321[02:15:56] <badargo> it moved the files but skipped the "." file
• 322[02:16:10] <badargo> but when i typed mv . i meant to say move /current/directory
• 323[02:16:27] <badargo> when u state from what directory is the file...
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• 330[02:19:34] <badargo> the hum, syntax should be mv /original/dir file /target/dir but when i typed mv . file /target/dir it tried to move the whole directory and the file
• 331[02:19:37] <badargo> 0.o
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• 334[02:22:11] <kline> badargo, no, it should be mv /path/to/file /path/to/destination
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• 336[02:22:39] <kline> "." and "file" separately means "the current directory" and "the file called file in the current directory"
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• 341[02:24:20] <badargo> ohhh
• 342[02:24:25] <badargo> i see
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• 345[02:25:33] <tharkun> Aloha, There is a way to instruct apt-get/aptitude to search for web browsers. Can someone refresh my memory on how to do it? It's been a long time since I last used that option.
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• 347[02:25:55] <badargo> because a space between /directory file mean moving both things
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• 350[02:26:13] <badargo> i feel so stupid :(
• 351[02:26:26] <tharkun> We do not contradict anyone in here.
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• 353[02:27:06] <bazhang> tharkun, apt-cache search term
• 354[02:27:18] <tharkun> bazhang: Thanks :)
• 355[02:27:25] <bazhang> np
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• 357[02:29:21] <tharkun> Is the chromium code sanitized to google analytics?
• 358[02:29:28] <tharkun> s/to/of/
• 359[02:30:33] <bazhang> tharkun, did you mean free of
• 360[02:30:47] <tharkun> Yes you could say that.
• 361[02:31:05] <bazhang> well, is that what you mean
• 362[02:31:27] <tharkun> yes
• 363[02:31:51] <bazhang> ,v chromium-browser
• 364[02:31:52] <judd> Package: chromium-browser on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1
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• 367[02:33:08] <tharkun> bazhang: A browser holds your history of interests over the most common connection we hold today. Will you trust your personal data to a company that makes money out of selling that data. And that it has been proven that it is moral to handle it is questionable?
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• 369[02:34:59] <bazhang> tharkun, I'm not getting into all that here, no idea about goog anyaltics in chromium-browser, sorry
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• 371[02:36:16] <jmcnaught> tharkun: probably the information is either on the chromium website, or you can check the patches in the Debian source package
• 372[02:36:25] <jmcnaught> ,i chromium
• 373[02:36:26] <judd> Package chromium (web, optional) in stretch/amd64: web browser. Version: 59.0.3071.86-1; Size: 49576.3k; Installed: 189355k; Homepage: replaced-url
• 374[02:36:47] <tharkun> Never mind I am frustrated at people asking me to develop a secure site and then complaining about information beeing leaked into google
• 375[02:36:48] <jmcnaught> the package was renamed in for jessie
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• 377[02:37:46] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Will do firefox eats up a full core and about 1GB memory. Using it reduces batery life by 50% Thanks
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• 379[02:39:08] <jmcnaught> tharkun: it's probably going to be worse resource consumption with chromium, unless your firefox issue is being caused by a bad add-on
• 380[02:39:34] <tharkun> jmcnaught: out of the box fresh new install to debian 9
• 381[02:40:54] <jmcnaught> then chromium is probably not going to solve the problem of firefox using too much memory, they're both hogs but firefox uses less memory with lots of tabs
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• 396[02:52:46] <tharkun> jmcnaught: found midori, an old friend it seems it has grown over the years a bit but still light enough for this computer. ( I remember when having 2 GB ram was an insane amount of ram)
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• 399[02:53:07] <BlackXdust> hey guys :D
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• 402[02:55:07] <jmcnaught> tharkun: before using midori you should check the note about security status of browsers in the stretch release notes, and install the debian-security-support package
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• 405[02:55:55] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Thanks looking into it now.
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• 410[02:58:15] <rudescience> Hi
• 411[02:58:41] <tharkun> jmcnaught: in a nutshell firefox or chromium anything else use it at your own risk. Well that is new. Both resources hogs so unless you have 8GB Ram and 8 cores on your laptop you are screwed :( </rant>
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• 413[02:59:19] <petn-randall> tharkun: 8 cores? I doubt most laptops have those specs.
• 414[02:59:23] <jmcnaught> tharkun: that is note new, same note in the jessie release notes
• 415[02:59:41] <jmcnaught> s/note/not/
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• 419[03:00:14] <Resilience> hello to everyone, my -xsession-errors file is getting huge, as much as 8.4 Gib, can I erase it or do I have to log out first from my X-session? (by the way is "as much" or "as many"?)
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• 421[03:02:19] <BlackXdust> XD !! just delite it !! XD !
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• 423[03:02:44] <Resilience> BlackXdust, can it be done? or would break somethig?
• 424[03:03:00] <jmcnaught> it would be good to know what is in that file
• 425[03:03:14] <BlackXdust> yeah at least :p
• 426[03:04:56] <jmcnaught> i think seth meyer is funny, i wish he did more interviews
• 427[03:05:06] <BlackXdust> only if u have something that u really nead ..... after that , just delite it
• 428[03:05:19] <jmcnaught> sorry wrong window ☹
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• 430[03:05:59] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Yes you are right but then firefox wasn't so much of a pain back then :(
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• 432[03:07:00] <jmcnaught> what kind of a pain?
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• 434[03:07:16] <BlackXdust> phisical !! XD !!
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• 436[03:07:49] <jmcnaught> BlackXdust: do you have a Debian question?
• 437[03:07:57] <tharkun> Resource hunger. On Debian 9 it just makes a core work at 60% continously draining battery power and using at least 700MB
• 438[03:08:20] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Don't feed the troll unless you will k/b it.
• 439[03:09:06] <jmcnaught> not everyone's a troll, some people just don't know how to IRC
• 440[03:09:20] <tharkun> point taken. You are right.
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• 443[03:10:40] <jmcnaught> tharkun: if firefox is using 60% of a core there's something wrong. it's using 3% for me right now with a couple dozen tabs open and a youtube video playing
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• 445[03:13:19] <tharkun> jmcnaught: I have to attend a party and I like beeing rigorously punctual. When can we schedule some time to debug this isue?
• 446[03:14:26] <tharkun> jmcnaught: 20 0 2148972 244188 97188 S 23.2 12.0 0:15.06 Web Content
• 447[03:14:37] <tharkun> 0 0 121368 54872 5084 S 0.7 2.7 0:02.91 perl
• 448[03:14:40] <tharkun> 29642 balbino 20 0 2142920 258212 107080 S 0.7 12.7 0:17.72 firefox-esr
• 449[03:14:48] <jmcnaught> tharkun: lots of people that can help here, if i'm around i'll help
• 450[03:15:37] <tharkun> jmcnaught: and if you kill firefox Web Content dies also. So WTF is wrong. ( Thanks I know)
• 451[03:15:39] <Resilience> jmcnaught, I have checked the file and it has lots of firefox erros and something funny, the last 1 000+ lines are something like ""modified: "<whatever>.xml"
• 452[03:15:50] <BlackXdust> hey guys if i want to start a password list .... from wher chould i start ??
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• 454[03:16:41] <tharkun> BlackXdust: Password list? What do you mean by that?
• 455[03:17:03] <jmcnaught> Resilience: usually when a log reaches 8 GB there's a lot of repetition. Find out what's causing that error and fix that.
• 456[03:17:10] <bazhang> pw of what BlackXdust
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• 458[03:17:50] <BlackXdust> @bazhang for bruthforce
• 459[03:17:51] <Resilience> jmcnaught, this is another problem, my question was if I can safely erase the file being logged in the X-session or it will crash
• 460[03:18:01] <bazhang> BlackXdust, did you want a pw manager like keepass or what
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• 463[03:18:36] <tharkun> BlackXdust: google is your friend lots of them around then you need to do some statistical analysis on the system you want to crack. Lots of math involved.
• 464[03:18:37] <bazhang> BlackXdust, you want help with illegal cracking
• 465[03:18:55] <bazhang> BlackXdust, thats offtopic on all of freenode
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• 467[03:19:10] <BlackXdust> i'm new here :p
• 468[03:19:24] <bazhang> BlackXdust, now you know
• 469[03:19:37] <jmcnaught> Resilience: try it and see. You're dealing with a symptom of some problem, try and find the root cause so you don't get 8 GB log files
• 470[03:20:22] <BlackXdust> how do u send a msg like that ??
• 471[03:20:23] <BlackXdust> :p
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• 473[03:20:48] <tw> is there a better CJK monospace font than Noto Mono?
• 474[03:20:49] <Resilience> jmcnaught, I understand that, but I am not asking about that, "try it and see what happens" is something that I can think for myself, that's why I was asking if it can be done _safely_
• 475[03:21:12] <vvande> I've installed Debian 9 with Xfce. However, the login screen seems a bit of a mess. It might help if it listed users. How do I do that?
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• 477[03:21:27] <tw> Trying not to make my terminal look insane while still printing both korean and japanese glyphs.
• 478[03:21:35] <tharkun> Resilience: if you mean safely not having your computer explode yes I assume almost anything can be done safely :D
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• 480[03:22:11] <jmcnaught> Resilience: what's the big deal? save your files if you're worried about a crash. the worse that could happen is some programs close without saving and your X session ends, and you've already got something messed up going on
• 481[03:22:21] <Resilience> tharkun, ah, free irony
• 482[03:22:41] <Resilience> jmcnaught, forget it, you don't want to undrstand
• 483[03:22:44] <tharkun> tw: I use DejaVu Sans which hass a Mono variant I like it though
• 484[03:22:53] <tharkun> Resilience: :)
• 485[03:23:08] <tharkun> Life is too short not to smile once in a while.
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• 487[03:23:51] <tharkun> tw: I read/heard view that i3 has a very nice Font also you might as well look into their web site i3wm.org or similar.
• 488[03:24:04] <Resilience> tharkun, "free irony" is used when someone does not hold any reason and don't want to acknowledge it :)
• 489[03:24:09] <jmcnaught> Resilience: in the time you spent asking if it's safe to delete that file you could have already saved any unsaved documents and deleted it, and if that caused X to crash you could already be back in X again
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• 494[03:25:44] <Resilience> jmc wrong, you're assuming I can do that (as you're assuming I don't understand going for the root cause) as I said, forget it, you don't want to understand, thanks for your time, you've been very polite
• 495[03:25:45] <tharkun> That would be debatable but jmcnaught just stated my aliby :)
• 496[03:25:59] <tw> tharkun: seems like i3 just yanks an appropriate font from xfontsel, they don't appear to provide anything specific themselves.
• 497[03:26:05] <Lucie_> Hi, I'm trying to use "systemctl poweroff" as is says here replaced-url
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• 500[03:26:24] <tharkun> tw: ohh thanks for the info. :)
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• 503[03:26:57] <tw> tharkun: if you're using DejaVu Sans Mono as your default Monospace font in x11, it'll use that.
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• 505[03:27:34] <tharkun> Lucie_: If you want to shut it off you can shutdown -h 0 and it should work yet you need root access maybe systemctl poweroff also does need root.
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• 507[03:28:53] <tw> systemctl poweroff will try to escalate itself if you don't have permission but can sudo.
• 508[03:29:00] <tw> that error is something different.
• 509[03:29:05] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: are you doing this after the first boot into your new system, or while you're still in the installer?
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• 511[03:30:35] <Lucie_> tharkun: "systemctl poweroff" worked when I logged out with "logout" and logged in to "root" , but "poweroff" and "shutdown -h now" said "command not found" and Ctrl+Alt+Del didn't work
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• 513[03:30:49] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: It's after the first boot
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• 516[03:32:29] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: were there any errors or warnings during the installation or while it was booting? does "systemctl status dbus" show anything?
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• 518[03:34:50] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: did you install/remove/change anything after booting the first time?
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• 522[03:36:52] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: "systemctl status dbus" says "Failed to connect to bus: No such file or directory"
• 523[03:37:30] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: i would also "grep dbus /var/log/syslog"
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• 526[03:38:24] <mobbydoux> Hi all , I was installed anbox+snap, and i remove her, but i have a enter in env : PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/snap/bin
• 527[03:38:24] <mobbydoux> How can delete ?
• 528[03:38:24] <mobbydoux> cmd : sudo env|grep PATH
• 529[03:38:25] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: grep: /var/log/syslog: Permission denied
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• 531[03:40:20] <mobbydoux> for log : tail -fq /var/log/syslog or dmesg
• 532[03:40:25] <Lucie_> Could it be because I unchecked "standard system utilities" ?
• 533[03:40:26] <mobbydoux> or the best journalctl
• 534[03:40:28] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: ^
• 535[03:42:00] <mobbydoux> what ?
• 536[03:42:10] <mobbydoux> you want see syslog that right ?
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• 539[03:44:38] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: you need to be root, and yes why wouldn't you install standard system utilities?
• 540[03:44:49] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: is dbus even installed? install it.
• 541[03:44:53] <mobbydoux> use journalctl
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• 543[03:45:01] <jmcnaught> mobbydoux: not when dbus isn't running
• 544[03:45:13] <mobbydoux> why ?
• 545[03:45:29] <mobbydoux> yes no run dbus
• 546[03:45:38] <mobbydoux> and use systemctl and journalctl
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• 548[03:46:28] <jmcnaught> mobbydoux: they are trying to, but they didn't install dbus during the installation because they deselected 'standard system utilties'
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• 550[03:47:10] <mobbydoux> oh ok
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• 552[03:47:33] <mobbydoux> But the better for me is journalctl i don't use dbus
• 553[03:47:40] <mobbydoux> and systemctl it's very great
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• 555[03:48:03] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: Are you sure dbus is in 'standard system utilities'?
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• 558[03:49:12] <Lucie_> So I should do "apt-get update", then "apt-get upgrade" , and then "apt-get install dbus" ?
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• 563[03:51:53] <tw> I'm going to go out on a limb and say you want dbus-user-session; dbus itself should be a dep of systemd.
• 564[03:52:23] <mobbydoux> systemd > sustemctl > journalctl
• 565[03:52:41] <mobbydoux> systemctl*
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• 571[03:54:29] <mobbydoux> oh shit i'm in debian
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• 574[03:54:38] <mobbydoux> sorry lool
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• 576[03:55:06] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: dbus is Priority: standard. that special 'standard system utilities' task in the installer installs packages with Priority: standard
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• 581[03:55:50] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: replaced-url
• 582[03:56:13] <jmcnaught> !standard task
• 583[03:56:13] <dpkg> i guess standard task is a "task" that should be installed on all machines during the installer stage. It installs packages that are important, required and standard (i.e. "aptitude install ~pstandard ~prequired ~pimportant"). Packages in the <essential> set are always installed. Also ask me about <tasksel>.
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• 652[05:07:32] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: Sorry, I'm back.
• 653[05:07:51] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: "sudo poweroff" worked, even without installing dbus
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• 655[05:08:01] <Lucie_> tw: ^
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• 659[05:09:31] <Lucie_> I'm going to leave it like this and then if I need something that was in 'standard system utilities' I'll install it, instead of reinstalling Debian to check the 'standard system utilities' box
• 660[05:10:05] <tw> makes sense to me.
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• 662[05:10:13] <glick> hi
• 663[05:10:29] <glick> his, is it possible to control the desktop of another machine remotely?
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• 665[05:10:48] <glick> i.e. move the mouse and start programs on the remote machine, playing sounds on the remote machine, etc
• 666[05:10:59] <Lucie_> tw: Actually, now that I think about, how could sudo fix "poweroff" if it wasn't "installed"
• 667[05:11:01] <glick> i.e. NOT an exported gui ssh session
• 668[05:11:05] <Lucie_> about it*
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• 670[05:11:50] <tw> Lucie_: poweroff is installed, systemctl poweroff is a systemctl command that uses dbus to communicate the request to systemd.
• 671[05:11:59] <glick> is that possible?
• 672[05:12:48] <Lucie_> tw: That's what I understood, but then how come when I used "poweroff" it said "command not found" and now just because I'm using sudo it's there?????
• 673[05:12:48] <tw> glick: x11vnc. I think there's a nx solution as well.
• 674[05:13:04] <tw> Lucie_: sudo's PATH is different from your user's PATH.
• 675[05:13:23] <Lucie_> tw: Oooooh
• 676[05:13:31] <Lucie_> tw: Now it makes sense
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• 681[05:14:39] <Lucie_> tw: I wish I had checked if "poweroff" worked from the root account. I only tried "systemctl poweroff"
• 682[05:14:53] <glick> hmm x11vnc?
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• 685[05:15:18] <Lucie_> Anyways... thanks for the help tw jmcnaught
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• 687[05:16:56] <tw> glick: or if you just want to control the kbd+mouse with no video, there's stuff like synergy, though I don't know a FOSS equivalent.
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• 689[05:17:41] <glick> tw: basically, i have the pi hooked up to my tv via hdmi. but i dont have a mouse keyboard for it and want to be able to control it from my couch via wifi
• 690[05:17:51] <glick> so i can start movies
• 691[05:18:00] <glick> and watch youtube using my laptop as a sort of remote
• 692[05:18:09] <glick> if that makes sense
• 693[05:18:19] <tw> kodi has a control app and an RPC socket.
• 694[05:18:28] <tw> It's way easier to use than direct kbd mouse.
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• 696[05:19:23] <th0r> glick, I control a pi as you desire, using x11vnc. IN fact, I am using hexchat on the pi now, but controlling it with my tablet.
• 697[05:19:44] <tw> pumping video over vnc is not going to end well.
• 698[05:19:49] <tw> just a heads up.
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• 700[05:20:28] <glick> th0r: if you connected a monitor to your pi, would you see your actions on the monitor as well?
• 701[05:20:43] <glick> i dont want to video pumped over vnc
• 702[05:20:57] <glick> i just want to control the mouse and keyboard on the pi,
• 703[05:20:59] <th0r> glick, I have it hooked to the tv, and yes, I see the same things on my tablet and my tv...the same desktop/mouse/etc
• 704[05:21:08] <glick> i see
• 705[05:21:45] <th0r> glick, audio plays on the tv, and video. I use omxplayer to view video....vlc leaves something to be desired.
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• 707[05:22:34] <th0r> glick, I think this discussion actually belongs in #raspbian maybe
• 708[05:22:51] <tw> vlc doesn't have videocore4 decoding acceleration enabled by default.
• 709[05:22:57] <glick> good point th0r0
• 710[05:22:57] <glick> th0r:
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• 715[05:26:04] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: that <standard task> factoid from dpkg shows how to get all of the standard packages installed
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• 759[05:59:54] <alyssa> Hi, has anyone experienced power management regressions on buster? My laptop has been getting noticably hot recently, and even after applying the usual optimisations (powertop tunables etc), power draw seems higher than I remember. It's not a critical bug, but it's a little annoying, and I'm not sure where to begin diagnosing. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks! :)
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• 763[06:04:26] <alyssa> (It's also possible it's a hardware issue as the laptop ages..)
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• 778[06:10:41] <foul_owl> Hi folks. I made changes to /etc/network/interfaces, changing from static to dhcp
• 779[06:11:02] <foul_owl> Trying ifdown and ifup on the interface
• 780[06:11:26] <foul_owl> When doing ifdown, it references 192.168.1.1, my old router, which is no longer configured in a static ip block
• 781[06:11:42] <foul_owl> I'm on dhcp now, so why is it still mentioning 192.168.1.1?
• 782[06:11:54] <foul_owl> I greped the entire /etc directory for that ip and it doesn't show up
• 783[06:12:04] <foul_owl> My new network is 192.168.0.1
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• 787[06:13:42] <foul_owl> Does ifdown and ifup still work on a system with systemd?
• 788[06:14:18] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: yes
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• 791[06:14:54] <foul_owl> Do I have to do systemctl daemon-reload after modifying /etc/network/interfaces ?
• 792[06:15:06] <jmcnaught> no
• 793[06:15:28] <jmcnaught> you also are not supposed to restart the networking service
• 794[06:16:05] <jmcnaught> ifdown and ifup are the correct way. if it's not working can you show your interfaces file and the commands you use with their output in a paste?
• 795[06:16:36] <foul_owl> Ah ok hold on...I can't get networking up and this system is located a ways from my workstation
• 796[06:16:50] <foul_owl> I might need to dig up a usb drive and copy the output to that
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• 801[06:19:25] <jmcnaught> foul_owl: the only way that systemd is involved is it starts the networking.service at boot, and udev gives interfaces their names. you can run 'systemctl cat networking.service' to see what it's doing
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• 807[06:22:10] <foul_owl> Gotcha
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• 817[06:33:19] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: So basically, by unchecking 'standard system utilities' and everything else, you only install *all* the required and important packages
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• 819[06:34:47] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: i don't know if you get all of the required and important packages when you uncheck that. Did you install dbus?
• 820[06:35:19] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: No, and it worked
• 821[06:35:45] <Lucie_> So it's either required or important, or what I needed wasn't actually dbus but sudo
• 822[06:35:53] <Lucie_> Or, I mean, you know, permission
• 823[06:36:50] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: why not install the standard task? Need to save a couple hundred MB?
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• 826[06:37:36] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: More of a challenge, I'm trying to get not the lightest, but the system with less bloat posible
• 827[06:37:40] <Lucie_> Does that make sense?
• 828[06:38:12] <jmcnaught> only a little. i don't think you're going to learn more by lacking packages that most people take for granted
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• 832[06:38:54] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: It's not for learning, it's about bloat
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• 836[06:39:10] <Lucie_> bloat being everything that isn't critical
• 837[06:40:36] <jmcnaught> try replacing coreutils with busybox then :P
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• 839[06:42:15] <jmcnaught> Lucie_: I would also make it a point to mention "i don't have standard task packages installed" next time you're getting support for this system. When stuff isn't working, helpers here assume that people have standard packages installed
• 840[06:42:35] <jmcnaught> mention it first, not after several minutes of trying to figure out why your dbus service isn't running
• 841[06:43:25] <Lucie_> jmcnaught: Understood, but again, that didn't seem to be the problem why it didn't work
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• 845[06:43:57] <jmcnaught> it's confusing when we ask for systemctl output and it doesn't work
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• 949[08:16:09] <simbalion> Hi what is stored in /var/log/journal?
• 950[08:16:23] <simbalion> it's using 5gb of space presently but when I do journalctl --disk-usage it says it's only using 1gb
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• 968[08:41:20] <hvpc> how can i enable proprietary codecs in chromium to play videos like this ? replaced-url
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• 1000[09:18:40] <Nox1> Hello. Any here can help me?
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• 1024[09:35:52] <l9> i think i might have found a bug
• 1025[09:36:05] <nkuttler> !tell l9 about reportbug
• 1026[09:37:19] <l9> if the first nameserver entry in the resolv.conf is ipv4 nameserver then it won't use the second ipv6 nameserver anyone that could confirm this?
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• 1030[09:38:08] <nkuttler> l9: on stretch?
• 1031[09:38:13] <l9> yeah
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• 1033[09:39:39] <l9> i have custom dns server running in my network, and that is the second dns server handed from the dhcp. so when the first dns server didnt find the result i was looking for, it didnt move on too the second too try too find the custom domain i have
• 1034[09:40:54] <nkuttler> l9: if you can reproduce it definitely report a bug
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• 1037[09:44:28] <l9> have done so on this computer three times now :P kinda weird tho, but what i think happens is as long as the first dns server responds. The os think oh okey so we have dns, no need too look for a second dns. And that would be correct in 98% of all cases, so this might be a bug by design really
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• 1040[09:46:05] <Hyp3ri0n> hello
• 1041[09:46:22] <Hyp3ri0n> can anyone give me a quick help on grub?
• 1042[09:46:42] <nkuttler> can we?
• 1043[09:47:17] <Hyp3ri0n> while upgrading the software in my laptop...somehow grub was wrecked...
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• 1046[09:47:41] <Hyp3ri0n> pls :3
• 1047[09:48:26] <Hyp3ri0n> i did search it up on the net...but with the default firefox esr being slow on my stretch computer...i did cross my chances of it being speedy
• 1048[09:48:39] <Hyp3ri0n> its not an excuse...i really mean it
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• 1051[09:49:11] <Hyp3ri0n> but ill try to look up from other sources too(my mobile...)
• 1052[09:49:18] <nkuttler> somehow wrecked?
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• 1054[09:49:37] <Hyp3ri0n> yeah
• 1055[09:49:53] <Hyp3ri0n> opening my laptop takes me to the grub shell
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• 1058[09:50:27] <nkuttler> that's not so bad. can you boot from there?
• 1059[09:50:58] <Hyp3ri0n> yeah i can boot...but im in grub shell :3
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• 1061[09:51:25] <Hyp3ri0n> and i dont remember how to fix it...nor hav any bookmarks handy
• 1062[09:52:07] <nkuttler> i think update-grub, assuming your config is ok
• 1063[09:52:17] <Hyp3ri0n> from where?
• 1064[09:52:24] <nkuttler> shouldn't matter
• 1065[09:52:31] <Hyp3ri0n> im in grub shell when i boot up my laptop
• 1066[09:52:41] <nkuttler> Hyp3ri0n: no no, that's not booted
• 1067[09:52:50] <nkuttler> Hyp3ri0n: i mean, can you boot into debian from the grub shell?
• 1068[09:53:07] <Hyp3ri0n> no..idk how
• 1069[09:53:18] <Hyp3ri0n> it says normal.mod not found
• 1070[09:53:42] <nkuttler> Hyp3ri0n: do you still have your installer image?
• 1071[09:53:53] <nkuttler> easiest is probably to boot it in rescue mode, and to reinstall grub
• 1072[09:54:08] <Hyp3ri0n> error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
• 1073[09:54:16] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
• 1074[09:54:27] <Hyp3ri0n> will try to do tht
• 1075[09:54:29] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx for the tip
• 1076[09:56:13] <nkuttler> Hyp3ri0n: see also replaced-url
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• 1091[10:08:36] <l9> nkuttler: it isnt a bug, its by design cause all dns server should respond the same. it was me that was the bug in this
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• 1093[10:09:01] <nkuttler> mmmh, ok
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• 1096[10:10:31] <apollo13> l9: you could setup dnsmasq locally and use splitdns
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• 1098[10:11:20] <apollo13> (if for instance the second dns server is used for some dns stuff)
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• 1103[10:11:56] <l9> apollo13: i have been using just one unbound server for the ns. but in fact i need too have nsd and configure the unbound too check doman.test. from the nsd
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• 1105[10:12:18] <l9> that would make them all respond the same
• 1106[10:12:28] <apollo13> or that :)
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• 1108[10:12:45] <apollo13> and yes it is by design, the second server is only queried if the first one does not reply at all
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• 1111[10:14:03] <l9> apollo13: i thouhgt so the diffrence between bsd and debian on bsd they all gets too respond therefor this works on bsd but not on the debian system :p
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• 1114[10:14:25] <apollo13> l9: depends, on windows 10 all get to respond too and the fastest wins :D
• 1115[10:15:44] <l9> apollo13: is anything fast on win10 ? j/k but yeah that also explain why this works on my wifes computer also
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• 1120[10:21:42] <Schwarzbaer> Is there a way to make only specific fonts larger under X? In particular, I'd like Japanese fonts to be displayed at larger sizes.
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• 1140[10:35:46] <badargo> like when i want to move them inside c :P
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• 1170[10:55:44] <JyZyXEL> does debian support having the rootfs on nfs?
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• 1179[10:59:15] <FinalX> JyZyXEL: nfsroot is a kernel feature, I'm quite sure it'll work, though I'm not sure if it's a good idea
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• 1182[10:59:20] <FinalX> JyZyXEL: see replaced-url
• 1183[10:59:25] <FinalX> you'd have to set it up manually, though
• 1184[10:59:27] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
• 1185[10:59:55] <blackflow> Hello folks. Question, can firefox-esr in Stretch play Netflix? It's v52, and afaik Firefox got DRM support as of v50?
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• 1187[11:02:57] <Cl0udN9ne> hello...while trying to mount a pendrive i get the following error
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• 1190[11:03:58] <Ke> blackflow: I would think it would be a security violation, to do it like uptream wants to without consulting the user
• 1191[11:04:23] <Cl0udN9ne> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,missing codepage or helper program, or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so.
• 1192[11:04:23] <Ke> blackflow: you know firefox is downloading blobs of the internet without user content
• 1193[11:04:34] <Cl0udN9ne> what should i do?
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• 1195[11:04:54] <Ke> Cl0udN9ne: please pastebinit the output of dmesg
• 1196[11:04:58] <Ke> and share the link
• 1197[11:05:10] <Ke> dmesg | pastebinit
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• 1199[11:05:31] <Ke> or sudo dmesg | pastebinit , depending on your settings
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• 1201[11:05:43] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
• 1202[11:06:09] <blackflow> Ke: ok. but can it run Netflix?
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• 1204[11:06:29] <Ke> blackflow: if it can, it's evil
• 1205[11:06:31] <Cl0udN9ne> Ke replaced-url
• 1206[11:07:03] <Ke> blackflow: you can try to find the widevine plugin
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• 1209[11:08:00] <Ke> Cl0udN9ne: it seems your ext4 os corrupted, should the filesystem be ext4?
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• 1211[11:08:14] <Ke> if yes, you can try to recover using e2fsck
• 1212[11:08:18] <Cl0udN9ne> yes
• 1213[11:08:24] <blackflow> I don't care if it's evil. I just want to watch Netflix with it. Also, can't try myself because I'm not a Debian user, it's for a use case where I'd like to set up a debian VM with firefox to watch Netflix.
• 1214[11:08:26] <Cl0udN9ne> ok
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• 1216[11:08:46] <Ke> if the data on that drive is critical, do take a block level copy of the drive before trying to repair
• 1217[11:09:01] <blackflow> so if it's a known thing that it can't, that be great to know before I try to set up the whole thing :)
• 1218[11:09:04] <well_laid_lawn> Cl0udN9ne: you shoul unmoummt the usb before removal
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• 1220[11:09:27] <Ke> block level meaning dd if=/dev/sbd1 of=myimage.img bs=1M conv=fsync
• 1221[11:09:54] <pie3> is it possible to use git without github?
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• 1223[11:10:07] <Ke> well_laid_lawn: yes, but if everything is by the spec, it should not be needed with journaling
• 1224[11:10:09] <Cl0udN9ne> well_laid_lawn: my power went off and the computer got switched off
• 1225[11:10:33] <Ke> pie3: not only possibly, very common even
• 1226[11:11:18] <pie3> ke how?
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• 1229[11:12:38] <Ke> pie3: just use git like when using github, but do not add github remote, push to github or pull from github
• 1230[11:12:56] <Ke> use git init to create empty repo instead of clone
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• 1232[11:15:13] <BluesKaj> blackflow, chrome works with netflix, unless you have some unwavering loyalty to FF
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• 1237[11:17:06] <pie3> is there any other way to share files with friends without github using git? ke
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• 1244[11:19:23] <TyrfingMjolnir> Is there an IM I can run on iOS, linux, MacOS X, and Open Solaris?
• 1245[11:20:49] <bazhang> TyrfingMjolnir, pidgin , not sure about solairs
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• 1249[11:21:22] <bazhang> #pidgin ask there TyrfingMjolnir
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• 1251[11:22:18] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me configure a Webmail to all my users? I tried RoundCube and Horde without success...
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• 1257[11:24:07] <Ke> pie3: if you trust your friends, you can give them shell access with login shell git-shell and access to the repo
• 1258[11:24:41] <Ke> pie3: or you can install gitlab
• 1259[11:25:04] <Ke> pie3: or use notabug or one of the other service providers
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• 1261[11:27:14] <pie3> gitlab?
• 1262[11:27:17] <pie3> what is that used for?
• 1263[11:27:22] <blackflow> BluesKaj: thanks
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• 1265[11:27:48] <Ke> replaced-url
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• 1274[11:32:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> bazhang: Does pidgin have a reasonable user interface? Drag N Drop of PDFs is key
• 1275[11:33:19] <Ke> that's definitely concensus definition of ux
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• 1279[11:33:42] <bazhang> TyrfingMjolnir, are you unable to look this up?
• 1280[11:34:04] <bazhang> TyrfingMjolnir, the debian channel is not exactly the place, I gave you the pidgin channel
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• 1282[11:34:12] <bazhang> why not ask there
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• 1335[12:05:17] <BalTun> i have some virus on debian which makes spam. What should I do to stop it ?
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• 1486[13:36:28] <Cobalt> Hello. What would be the best way to resize an a dd image of a 16GB disk onto a 32GB disk, the partition I'm interested in being the last extended partition; ext4? I don't have the benefit of a GUI.
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• 1489[13:38:23] <abrotman> Why not do it after the fact?
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• 1556[14:21:38] <sublimejms> Debian Stretch is here: /msg dpkg stretch ; /msg dpkg jessie->stretch; /msg dpkg install stretch | Oldstable: Debian Jessie /msg dpkg jessie ; /msg dpkg 8.9 | NO FLOOD: /
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• 1558[14:22:13] <sublimejms> hi...
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• 1561[14:22:58] <Cobalt> abrotman: It is after the fact. The 16GB image is now on a 32GB disk, hence wanting to use all of it. :S
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• 1578[14:29:52] <brw> parted should be able to do that
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• 1581[14:30:15] <brw> parted bangs
• 1582[14:30:19] <brw> bwahaha
• 1583[14:30:40] <brw> replaced-url
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• 1591[14:32:42] <Cobalt> brw: I will look that up thanks; I was under the impression I had to go manually delete and resize things.
• 1592[14:33:09] <Cobalt> brw: On the other hand, this hasn't been updated since 2014.
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• 1598[14:36:06] <brw> that page may not have
• 1599[14:36:19] <brw> but its used in the raspberry pi world all the time
• 1600[14:36:34] <brw> I've used it for non Rpi stuff in the last 12 months.
• 1601[14:37:34] <Cobalt> brw: The software hasn't either; has some minor bug fixes, but not much else it seems. Either way, this seems my best bet. Although parted will deal with the partition sizes, it looks like I'm going to have to use resize2fs as well.
• 1602[14:37:51] <Cobalt> brw: The other thought I had was, you can't improve on perfection... :P
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• 1622[14:48:12] <Cobalt> brw: Won't I lose the other partitions in the extended partition, because I need to try and resize that as well right?
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• 1633[14:53:03] <tomreyn> Cobalt: you have multiple partitions on this 32 GB storage device?
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• 1637[14:53:47] <tomreyn> maybe just put a "sudo parted /dev/sdX print" for the respective sdX storage on a pastebin
• 1638[14:54:15] <Cobalt> tomreyn: replaced-url
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• 1640[14:55:06] <Cobalt> tomreyn: Haven't got parted yet unless it came with the distro, I'm still currently using the filesystem I want to resize on my SD card.
• 1641[14:55:51] <tomreyn> yes that's not parted output
• 1642[14:57:12] <Cobalt> That was fdisk --list. Hang on.
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• 1647[14:58:57] <Cobalt> tomreyn: replaced-url
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• 1652[15:01:58] <tomreyn> Cobalt: okay, backup and resize it from gparted live usb, since doing it manually is going to be error prone.
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• 1664[15:14:43] <Cobalt> tomreyn: Well, I was going to use another machine with Linux on it to do that, also with the CLI. I was wondering if I could just resize partiton 7 and parted would take care of resizing the extended partiton with it as the container. In other places, I've read that you'd have to do the two separately and that resizing the extended partiton would cause everything in it to be lost.
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• 1671[15:17:54] <tomreyn> Cobalt: i'm not exactly sure whether parted (the CLI utility) offers to increase extended partitions (where those partitions would exceed the partitionable extended partition space) in a single step. IIRC you'd need to delete all of the extended partitons and the extended partiton designation, then recreate those with the proper sizes and byte exact start locations.
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• 1673[15:18:40] <tomreyn> which is so error prone that i'm suggesting to use the gui instead, after backing everything up.
• 1674[15:18:53] <Cobalt> tomreyn: That's the bit I'm having trouble wrapping my head around. I don't want to delete/lose those.
• 1675[15:18:57] <Cobalt> I see what you mean.
• 1676[15:19:06] <Cobalt> The GUI has better support for this sort of scenario?
• 1677[15:19:14] <RoyK> tomreyn: the manual way is to delete a small partition and create a large one with the same starting point
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• 1680[15:20:36] <Cobalt> RoyK: Yes, but the issue is that the partition in question is logical partition 7 which needs to expand to fill the rest of the SD card. At the moment, the extended parition it's sitting in thinks it ends at 16GB, rather than the 32GB. Additionally, there another 2 logical partitions in that extended partition.
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• 1682[15:21:18] <e_> delete patition
• 1683[15:21:30] <e_> and install
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• 1685[15:21:46] <RoyK> Cobalt: I see - guess the easiest is to backup/repartition/restore, or perhaps to use LVM next time
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• 1687[15:22:41] <Cobalt> e_: Well, then I wouldn't have been in here asking. :P
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• 1689[15:23:21] <e_> ?
• 1690[15:23:36] <Cobalt> RoyK: I wasn't aware of this issue; installed Raspbian from their NOOBS installer, which I wasn't aware created such a weird partitioning scheme. Had I known I would have gone with a more vanilla approach.
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• 1692[15:24:05] <tomreyn> Cobalt: the graphical approach, gparted live cd, is a different application than parted, just named similarily. and yes, it is a LOT easier.
• 1693[15:24:06] <Cobalt> e_: I was hoping to avoid the hassle of reinstalling; it took me a while to get things working properly on the 16GB partition.
• 1694[15:24:27] <e_> ?
• 1695[15:24:32] <Cobalt> tomreyn: I'm going to check that out.
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• 1698[15:24:43] <tomreyn> basically you just move sliders around confirm the changes and wait.
• 1699[15:25:07] <tomreyn> but you still need everythign backed up, of course.
• 1700[15:25:14] <Cobalt> Yeah.
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• 1702[15:25:21] <Cobalt> Thanks. I'll look into that.
• 1703[15:25:39] <e_> next time.
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• 1728[15:38:51] <Akuw> hi, i just created a usb linux boot, but when it is on grub menu start stay there, when i click on enter in botton i can see "Loading /live/vmlinuz-4.9.0-3-686... failed: no such file or directory"
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• 1737[15:39:30] <Akuw> i create that using Yumi
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• 1741[15:40:02] <Akuw> i test with ubuntu and was ok, but problem is with debian
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• 1746[15:40:26] <Akuw> checking USB files i can see everything is ok
• 1747[15:41:16] <Akuw> i guess is a prblem with kernel path but i changed grub.cfg and still have same problem
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• 1760[15:46:50] <e_> test with CD
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• 1764[15:49:05] <e_> incorrect installation
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• 1769[15:51:18] <pie3> is there any use of ssh within same device?
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• 1773[15:53:09] <rudi_s> pie3: ssh user@localhost? Sure, can be used for user separation so you can perform untrusted tasks as a separate user.
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• 1781[15:54:28] <mxh-> rudi_s: wouldnt su -c work as well?
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• 1783[15:54:45] <pie3> rudi_s: like?
• 1784[15:54:52] <pie3> can you clairfy with some example?
• 1785[15:54:56] <pie3> i never used ssh
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• 1797[15:59:47] <rudi_s> mxh-: Yes. However su has some issues (like tty hijacking) and it requires a passphrase. ssh works with keys so I can easily automate things.
• 1798[16:00:03] <n4dir> rsync is based on ssh, but i doubt it matters, if you use it to rsync stuff on the same device.
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• 1800[16:00:38] <n4dir> in other word: i don't think it makes much sense to use ssh on the same device, pie3
• 1801[16:00:56] <aguitel> is possible to downgrade from testing to stable ?
• 1802[16:00:57] <mxh-> rudi_s: not wrong, for one-time use here and there i stick with su :)
• 1803[16:01:01] <n4dir> aguitel: no
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• 1805[16:01:08] <rudi_s> pie3: Well, normally you do ssh user@remote-host and now you do user@localhost. Then you can for example just run gem install whatever without having to think about possible security issues and when you're done you can just delete all files from that user.
• 1806[16:01:22] <rudi_s> For local usage rsync doesn't require an ssh user.
• 1807[16:01:44] <n4dir> what the heck is an ssh user?
• 1808[16:01:57] <rudi_s> n4dir: Sorry, meant using ssh with a user.
• 1809[16:02:09] <n4dir> cool. well: i guessed so.
• 1810[16:02:20] <rudi_s> aguitel: No. What you can do is wait until the next release (but that is approx 2 years from now).
• 1811[16:03:00] <mxh-> can you go from testing to unstable though?
• 1812[16:03:04] <aguitel> rudi_s, n4dir ok
• 1813[16:03:14] <rudi_s> mxh-: Sure.
• 1814[16:03:26] <rudi_s> As the packages are newer and all testing packages were previously in sid.
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• 1817[16:03:44] <n4dir> i never thought about using ssh the way rudi_s describes it. Might be something worth to consider, i simply don't know. I only gave my humble opinion, pie3
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• 1819[16:04:12] <n4dir> mxh-: sure
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• 1822[16:06:12] <rudi_s> I find it convenient, but SSH is much more useful (and designed) for remote logins. Using it for localhost is just nice to have, but su/sudo works very well as well.
• 1823[16:06:54] <n4dir> plus all the tools based on it. imho it sure is worth to learn at least the basics
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• 1830[16:11:19] <e_> привет
• 1831[16:11:53] <rudi_s> Yeah, SSH is definitely worth learning.
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• 1836[16:14:22] <n4dir> lol. Back in the days i ran rsync to copy a whole debian installation in Virtualbox to a different machine. But that is only one example (and a rather funny than useful one).
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• 1840[16:15:51] <UKn0Me> SSH is a must
• 1841[16:16:08] <rocketmagnet> hi all, i have a stupid problem, i've create a file called weechat.desktop and copied it it to /usr/share/applications, the content of the file looks like any other .desktop file beside that is not started ( console application)
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• 1846[16:19:45] <n4dir> rocketmagnet: i recall something like " <name-of-terminal-you-use" -e <name-of-command>". My point is the -e argument (option).
• 1847[16:19:47] <mxh-> rocketmagnet: you want to use something like Exec=gnome-terminal -e "bash -c 'weechat'"
• 1848[16:19:55] <mxh-> jinx
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• 1853[16:21:14] <rocketmagnet> n4dir: so you use Exec=/usr/bin/gnome-terminal -e "/usr/bin/weechat"; and you set Terminal=true ?
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• 1856[16:21:40] <n4dir> mxh-: seems to have knowledge, i only vaguely rememberd "something"
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• 1861[16:22:53] <rocketmagnet> n4dir: what's then the TryExec cor ?
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• 1865[16:24:50] <mxh-> just upgraded from jessie to stretch on my server and my irc connection didn't even drop <3
• 1866[16:27:24] <mxh-> oh uh tryexec checks if a package is installed or something, don't think it launches but google it ;Exec=gnome-terminal -e "bash -c 'echo hello;$SHELL'"
• 1867[16:27:40] <mxh-> wow i bound shift+p to paste
• 1868[16:27:42] <mxh-> gj
• 1869[16:27:44] <mxh-> brb
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• 1871[16:29:14] <rocketmagnet> my .desktop file look like this: replaced-url
• 1872[16:29:25] <rocketmagnet> but weechat won'T show up :((
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• 1874[16:29:59] <mxh-> add bash -c 'weechat' to the command
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• 1876[16:30:12] <mxh-> or whatever shell
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• 1907[16:47:55] <OS-29690> test
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• 1909[16:48:21] <Ovius> Would anyone know why `uname -r` returns "4.3.5-std-1", but in /boot/ I only have files with the suffix "-4.9.0-3-armmp"?
• 1910[16:48:31] <mxh-> OS-29690: 200: OK
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• 1932[16:59:27] <petn-randall> Ovius: Seems like you have a kernel booted that you don't have installed (anymore). If it's a VPS, it might be that they boot a kernel that's not on disk.
• 1933[16:59:48] <Ovius> petn-randall: I just read that that's the case
• 1934[16:59:56] <Ovius> petn-randall: Rather unfortunate o.0
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• 1997[17:31:35] <RoyK> hi all. any idea how to benchmark memory (only) from linux? a friend is doing some debugging why things are slow, and it might seem the hardware config of memory might be the source of the issue, but it'd be fine to do a pre/post benchmark
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• 2008[17:35:41] <dondelelcaro> RoyK: maybe memtest86?
• 2009[17:36:11] <RoyK> not from the OS
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• 2017[17:39:30] <dondelelcaro> RoyK: yeah, but it will test the memory. Or use memtester
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• 2019[17:39:54] <dondelelcaro> but odds are your performance issues are something else, not memory architecture.
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• 2025[17:42:36] <pie3> what is gem install? rudi_s
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• 2029[17:43:47] <RoyK> dondelelcaro: I've looked at a lot of sysstat outputs, and it all seems to be on the cpu, which is mostly idling (everything else looks normal and mostly idle)
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• 2032[17:44:19] <rudi_s> pie3: It was just an example, gem is a ruby package manager.
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• 2034[17:44:22] <RoyK> doesn't look like memtester is made for performance testing, more like memtest86 from userspace (which doesn't look like a good idea)
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• 2036[17:44:41] <rudi_s> *an example which downloads/executes a lot of possibly untrusted data
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• 2039[17:45:12] <RoyK> rudi_s: something like pip? ;)
• 2040[17:45:27] <rudi_s> Yeah, just for ruby.
• 2041[17:45:41] <RoyK> just being rethorical here
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• 2045[17:46:22] <pie3> i dont have ruby i have python rudi_s
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• 2047[17:46:29] <pie3> how can i use ssh in that case for learning?
• 2048[17:46:34] <rudi_s> pie3: As I said, it was just an example.
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• 2050[17:46:51] <rudi_s> Do you have access to any remote system (university, vserver, etc)?
• 2051[17:46:56] <pie3> nope
• 2052[17:47:01] <pie3> i dont have any remote system
• 2053[17:47:10] <pie3> i guess some website is offering freeshell
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• 2055[17:47:16] <pie3> can it be called remote system?
• 2056[17:47:27] <RoyK> pie3: it doesn't cost much for a vm somewhere - I use crowncloud - cheap, and workss
• 2057[17:47:32] <rudi_s> Then either get one, or you can just play with it locally. apt-get install openssh-server and then connect to the local system.
• 2058[17:47:40] <pie3> i have vbox RoyK
• 2059[17:47:44] <pie3> installed in system
• 2060[17:47:46] <n4dir> ta-da
• 2061[17:47:47] <rudi_s> Most free shell providers suck (for obvious reasons).
• 2062[17:48:17] <pie3> i want to play locally rudi_s can you advise me sytanx/commands to play locally
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• 2064[17:48:45] <pie3> how to check whether openssh is already installed/default in my system or not?
• 2065[17:49:09] <RoyK> pie3: it's not installed by default
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• 2068[17:49:23] <pie3> i may have installed in past and i dont recall RoyK
• 2069[17:49:27] <rudi_s> dpkg -l openssh-server will tell you if it's installed.
• 2070[17:49:27] <dpkg> ii openssh-server will tell you if it's installed. 2.2-14.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
• 2071[17:49:49] <rudi_s> And regarding the syntax, check the man page and search for tutorials/guides on the internet.
• 2072[17:49:54] <pie3> $ dpkg -l openssh-server
• 2073[17:49:54] <pie3> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
• 2074[17:49:54] <pie3> | Status=Not/Inst/Conf-files/Unpacked/halF-conf/Half-inst/trig-aWait/Trig-pend
• 2075[17:49:54] <pie3> |/ Err?=(none)/Reinst-required (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
• 2076[17:49:55] <pie3> ||/ Name Version Architecture Description
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• 2078[17:50:37] <iodev> rudi_s: why is dpkg suggesting ii openssh-server, is ii a command?
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• 2080[17:51:29] <rudi_s> iodev: Not, it describes the state of the package. Try it on your local system.
• 2081[17:51:45] <rudi_s> (Of course I could tell you, but learning on your own is much more efficient.)
• 2082[17:52:04] <iodev> I'm sure I have openssh-server let's see
• 2083[17:52:05] <rudi_s> pie3: Don't paste here (or in IRC in general, use a pastebin website).
• 2084[17:52:09] <iodev> (I did apt-get install it)
• 2085[17:52:31] <iodev> yep rudi_s it is "ii"
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• 2088[17:53:56] <pie3> $ openssh-server
• 2089[17:53:56] <pie3> openssh-server: command not found
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• 2092[17:55:03] <rudi_s> pie3: systemctl status ssh
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• 2096[17:55:42] <pie3> ~ $ systemctl status ssh
• 2097[17:55:42] <pie3> ● ssh.service - OpenBSD Secure Shell server
• 2098[17:55:42] <pie3> Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/ssh.service; enabled; vendor
• 2099[17:55:42] <pie3> Active: active (running) since Sat 2017-08-05 19:16:50 IST; 2h 8m
• 2100[17:55:42] <pie3> Process: 1906 ExecReload=/bin/kill -HUP $MAINPID (code=exited, sta
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• 2103[17:55:56] <pie3> made another mistake in sequence Rudde
• 2104[17:55:58] <pie3> rudi_s:
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• 2107[17:57:49] <rudi_s> pie3: Don't paste here.
• 2108[17:57:52] <rudi_s> But yes, it's running.
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• 2112[18:00:32] <pie3> so i have ssh? rudi_s
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• 2114[18:00:42] <pie3> is it open-ssh server?
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• 2117[18:02:50] <pie3> $ systemctl status ftp● ftp.service Loaded: not-found (Reason: No such file or directory) Active: inactive (dead)
• 2118[18:02:57] <pie3> i tried ftp with the same command
• 2119[18:03:15] <pie3> where to find the consolidated list of all services?
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• 2122[18:06:37] <LtL> pie3: you can use `systemctl -a` or `systemctl list-unit-files`
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• 2127[18:09:46] <pie3> wow
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• 2130[18:10:08] <pie3> what does static mean? LtL i can understand enabled and disabled services
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• 2133[18:10:54] <pie3> are these list of all services which are displayed on my screen when i boot up my system every time? LtL
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• 2136[18:11:28] <LtL> pie3: i believe static means that service cannot be disabled
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• 2139[18:12:23] <LtL> pie3: every time as far as i know
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• 2141[18:12:47] <pie3> so static=enanled? all the time? LtL
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• 2144[18:13:47] <LtL> pie3: i am assuming yes, enable but the opposite could be true under certain circumstances
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• 2146[18:15:42] <LtL> pie3: no private messages please, not the policy here... ask first
• 2147[18:15:51] <pie3> i dont ask
• 2148[18:16:03] <LtL> pie3: i noticed
• 2149[18:16:10] <pie3> it's against my policy
• 2150[18:16:28] <n4dir> gotta say that sysv-rc-conf made such stuff much more easy to me.
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• 2152[18:17:07] <n4dir> last time i asked something close to it didn't exist for systemd.
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• 2161[18:23:33] <frundo> hi
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• 2163[18:24:54] <frundo> how can i find out if openvpn is using ssl or tls1.2? wireshark says it uses ssl, bot openvpn itself says it is tls.
• 2164[18:25:31] <frundo> wireshark rarely mentions the version of ssl though, but when it does, it is sslv2
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• 2166[18:25:57] <rudi_s> frundo: Check the conversation in wireshark, it will show which version is negotiated.
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• 2168[18:26:17] <rudi_s> (Look for Server/Client Hello and then follow the stream.)
• 2169[18:26:22] <mrdeb> hi
• 2170[18:26:28] <mrdeb> anyone know why scanner not recognized
• 2171[18:26:35] <mrdeb> not permission issue driver is in
• 2172[18:27:09] <teraflops> acebeda
• 2173[18:27:11] <teraflops> oops
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• 2176[18:27:38] <frundo> ok will try that!
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• 2183[18:31:21] <frundo> hm i cannot see the Hellos, just SSL and TCP packets
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• 2192[18:34:54] <teraflops> frundo: I think it uses tls, what are you looking for? a list of supported ciphers?
• 2193[18:35:20] <rudi_s> frundo: Restart the VPN. There's only one connection handshake at the beginning.
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• 2197[18:37:52] <frundo> i did but it labels all ssl packets 'continuation data' - which implies that it may also not recognize the version correctly
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• 2199[18:38:37] <rudi_s> frundo: I don't think you can guess the version during the connection, only during the handshake. Look for server/client hello.
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• 2202[18:39:56] <frundo> it's not there, i think i will have to fix the wireshark
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• 2204[18:40:23] <frundo> all just tcp ACKs etc. or ssl continuation data
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• 2207[18:41:10] <frundo> well, and some ARP packets, which do not matter
• 2208[18:41:50] <batdhcp> what does the "depends on X but is not going to be installed " error originate from?
• 2209[18:41:55] <batdhcp> where, rather
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• 2211[18:42:35] <batdhcp> This system appears to have jessie and stretch in their apt/sources.list and I think that caused them problems
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• 2213[18:42:44] <teraflops> out of sync packages DB, mixed repos/distros, bugs…
• 2214[18:43:04] <batdhcp> So it could be because they put stretch and jessie in their sources.list and installed something?
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• 2216[18:43:10] <teraflops> yep
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• 2218[18:43:18] <batdhcp> is there any turning back now? Is this recoverable?
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• 2220[18:43:33] <frundo> i think it is not recommened for a good reason
• 2221[18:43:55] <batdhcp> The system is stable now but apt is broken and everything seems to work as long as I build their packages from source
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• 2223[18:44:11] <batdhcp> so they basically turned their distro into arch lol
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• 2227[18:45:55] <rudi_s> frundo: Hm. Are you using OpenVPN's TSL modus?
• 2228[18:46:02] <teraflops> batdhcp: it depends, sometimes you can, sometimes you cannot, but you did not provide any info, apart from a bad joke
• 2229[18:47:04] <batdhcp> heh
• 2230[18:47:06] <batdhcp> teraflops: fair enough
• 2231[18:47:29] <batdhcp> thanks fellas
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• 2237[18:49:12] <frundo> rudi_s: yes
• 2238[18:50:33] <frundo> may it have to do with lzo compression?
• 2239[18:51:35] <rudi_s> frundo: Hm. Are you using --tls-auth?
• 2240[18:52:01] <rudi_s> Or --tls-crypt?
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• 2258[19:01:12] <frundo> i think it may have to do with the compression
• 2259[19:01:42] <frundo> i am using remote-cert-tls server
• 2260[19:01:45] <frundo> in the conf file
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• 2326[19:48:53] <avlinux> Hi can anyone here tell me if the Stretch RT kernel supports the 'nvidia-driver' package, In other words are the nVidia drivers patched for the RT kernel?
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• 2348[20:04:20] <synthmeat> where did /etc/aliases disappear in stretch?
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• 2355[20:08:32] <Photon> So I have a bunch of users with home folders set to the same place, and now I can't find ssh's authorized keys file, where might it be?
• 2356[20:09:10] <johnkeates> i dont think ssh allows for that
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• 2359[20:09:20] <Photon> So what do I do?
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• 2361[20:09:34] <johnkeates> you give each user their own home
• 2362[20:09:41] <Photon> :/
• 2363[20:09:52] <Photon> I want them to go to a certain folder when they log in
• 2364[20:09:55] <johnkeates> why
• 2365[20:10:13] <Photon> Because I want to make it simple to log in, and I want to add a chroot jail later
• 2366[20:10:17] <johnkeates> is it a shared system? webhosting? are the end-users stupid?
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• 2368[20:10:26] <Guest54105> How to do configure a mirror in apt? when i install kali linux i dont configure and now i cannot do download from apt.
• 2369[20:10:36] <Photon> I will treat them like they're stupid, there are a lot of users.
• 2370[20:10:38] <johnkeates> Guest54105: ask #kali
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• 2372[20:10:49] <Guest54105> join #kali
• 2373[20:10:58] <johnkeates> Photon: use something like freeipa
• 2374[20:11:04] <johnkeates> or manual LDAP
• 2375[20:11:21] <johnkeates> or maybe you can configure sshd to look for user's file in a different place
• 2376[20:11:51] <Photon> Can I have sshd look for one authorized keys file that has all the keys in it somewhere?
• 2377[20:11:54] <Guest54105> but is similar in debian, i cannot ask in #kali, because need a account.
• 2378[20:11:55] <johnkeates> no
• 2379[20:12:04] <johnkeates> Guest54105: get an account
• 2380[20:12:08] <Guest54105> no
• 2381[20:12:10] <johnkeates> Guest54105: !dpkg kali
• 2382[20:12:14] <johnkeates> !dpkg kali
• 2383[20:12:14] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
• 2384[20:13:08] <johnkeates> Photon: what you want is possible, but not really a good idea at all. Better to manage it with FreeIPA or the likes
• 2385[20:13:18] <Guest54105> my question dont is about kali, is about apt, a service from debian.
• 2386[20:13:25] <johnkeates> no it's not a service from debian
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• 2388[20:13:32] <Photon> What's freeipa do?
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• 2390[20:13:38] <johnkeates> !dpkg tell Guest54105 about kali
• 2391[20:13:50] <johnkeates> !dpkg tell Guest54105 about based on debian
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• 2393[20:14:08] <Photon> lol
• 2394[20:14:20] <johnkeates> Photon: you will have users in there, with their public keys configured, and you will have the hosts in there, and you can then make rules what users are allowed on what servers
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• 2396[20:14:41] <johnkeates> then, the server, when someone tries to log in asks FreeIPA if the key is valid and if the user is allowed on the server
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• 2398[20:14:43] <Photon> It's a single server.
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• 2400[20:14:50] <johnkeates> well
• 2401[20:14:53] <johnkeates> then it's even worse :p
• 2402[20:15:03] <Photon> What is?
• 2403[20:15:08] <johnkeates> you can run FreeIPA on the same server that you want your users on
• 2404[20:15:26] <johnkeates> managing a bunch of users on 1 server when they have shell access
• 2405[20:15:30] <th0r> df -h
• 2406[20:15:39] <johnkeates> th0r: you have 1337 space on /
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• 2409[20:16:03] <johnkeates> Photon: check sshd_config's manpage, i think you can use that in a way
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• 2412[20:16:45] <johnkeates> Photon: the problem is that SSH only allows a user to use ssh files like ~/.ssh/* when that directory and the files in it are owned by that user
• 2413[20:16:46] <Photon> Alright
• 2414[20:16:49] <teraflops> synthmeat: iirc /etc/postfix/aliases is the recommended location, anyway you create the db using postalias path/to/the/aliases/file, and newaliases command for further changes
• 2415[20:16:59] <th0r> johnkeates, too many windows, in vnc on a tablet :)
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• 2418[20:17:28] <johnkeates> th0r: could have been worse, at least you didn't type your password ;-)
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• 2420[20:17:35] <Photon> johnkeates: replaced-url
• 2421[20:17:46] <johnkeates> Photon: i think sshd has even more restrictions like file mode
• 2422[20:18:08] <Photon> Each file would be owned by its user
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• 2424[20:18:24] <johnkeates> well, that could work indeed
• 2425[20:18:32] <johnkeates> then, using that variable, you'll get what you want I think
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• 2427[20:18:57] <Photon> Thanks brb afk
• 2428[20:19:00] <johnkeates> i'm not sure if AuthorizedKeysFile /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u means that %u will be a file or a directory
• 2429[20:19:17] <johnkeates> but if you make it a directory you could even stick configs in there if people want local ssh settings
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• 2443[20:28:33] <joy_> any kali linux expert here??
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• 2451[20:33:21] <petn-randall> joy_: Try in the Kali channel.
• 2452[20:33:23] <petn-randall> !kali
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• 2455[20:35:42] <joy_> #kali-linux :Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services
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• 2460[20:37:16] <petn-randall> joy_: I guess you have to identify with the services then.
• 2461[20:37:41] <joy_> ok thnx
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• 2465[20:40:32] <DoctorD90> hello! I tried to easly update my debian8 moving hdd in new pc (instead to make a fresh install). It works at 90%. In 10% of little fixable issues, it is there the touchpad that hasnt ability to click when I tap on it....any news?
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• 2468[20:41:28] <frundo> you probably need another driver
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• 2474[20:42:21] <johnkeates> get a truck driver, they are faster than taxi drivers
• 2475[20:42:27] <johnkeates> l-)
• 2476[20:42:49] <frundo> however, the whole procedure feels bad - i would not recommend it
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• 2478[20:42:59] <frundo> debian detects your hardware during the installation
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• 2480[20:44:54] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: which desktop environment? Any time you have a question about GUI issues, we're going to need to know this.
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• 2502[20:58:58] <synthmeat> teraflops: thanks. i just didn't have sendmail installed though
• 2503[20:59:17] <Photon> So I've modified sshd_config to put all authorized keys files in /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/%u but when I try to copy an id to te server it says 'cannot create directory .ssh', which makes no sense because if it was trying to make one like normal in a home folder there'd be a home folder for the user, which there isn't; and the config doesn't have .ssh in the authorized keys file path.
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• 2515[21:02:38] <petn-randall> Photon: Yeah, because you probably didn't set the directory permissions right. Is there a reason you want to break with the (sensible) default?
• 2516[21:02:44] <rgr_> ooo. Gabriel Knight 2 playing on Debian. nice.
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• 2518[21:02:56] <jmcnaught> synthmeat: other packages besides sendmail provide the sendmail command in Debian. sendmail (the MTA) is possibly the most difficult one to setup of the options available in Debian. If you're not already knowledgable, you might prefer something simpler like exim4, postfix or a null client like ssmtp
• 2519[21:02:58] <Photon> I don't want a home folder for every user
• 2520[21:03:46] <Photon> 2 reasons. Users will get confused and start storing files there and if will clutter up the fs, and I want users to join into a certain directory to reduce confusion.
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• 2577[21:30:04] <teraflops> synthmeat: ah, I though you were talking about postfix
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• 2579[21:30:42] <hk238> hello how can I add current user to a specific group? :o
• 2580[21:31:15] <teraflops> thought^
• 2581[21:31:40] <jmcnaught> hk238: 'adduser username groupname'
• 2582[21:31:46] <hk238> alright thanks
• 2583[21:32:08] <teraflops> hk238: read the man page, it wont hurt
• 2584[21:32:27] <hk238> yeah that would be nice but apparently this wasn't the issue after all maybe :o
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• 2588[21:33:04] <teraflops> and the issue is…
• 2589[21:33:25] <hk238> oh I think I have to relog, if I type "groups" into terminal it doesn't show the group I just added myself to
• 2590[21:33:37] <teraflops> yeah
• 2591[21:33:39] <hk238> can I relog using terminal without closing everything else just to troubleshoot this right now?
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• 2593[21:33:54] <hk238> probably not
• 2594[21:33:55] <hk238> :D
• 2595[21:33:59] <woenxs_> Hi. I have a question regarding how to properly execute a script using cron
• 2596[21:34:34] <woenxs_> my script uses environmental variables, and it works fine if I run it using "source ./script.sh"
• 2597[21:34:44] <woenxs_> but I'm not sure how to use this in cron
• 2598[21:34:47] <jmcnaught> hk238: try looking at the man page for newgrp
• 2599[21:34:49] <woenxs_> It doesn't seems to do anything
• 2600[21:35:18] <woenxs_> I currently tried "*/1 * * * * /bin/bash source /home/pi/lastreceived.sh"
• 2601[21:35:20] <hk238> i'll try relogging
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• 2604[21:36:05] <teraflops> habs: hmm, try su - $USER
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• 2609[21:37:04] <jmcnaught> woenxs_: you probably need to read the ENVIRONMENT section of the cron man page. Which Debian release is this?
• 2610[21:37:08] <hk238> relogging worked thanks let's see if there will be more problems : )
• 2611[21:37:28] <woenxs_> ehmmm. it's not actually debian, it's the debian version for the raspberry pi
• 2612[21:37:43] <woenxs_> but i'll probably end up running the script in my main server, which is a proper debian
• 2613[21:37:53] <jmcnaught> woenxs_: you're in the wrong channel then. Raspian isn't supported here. Please use #raspbian instead.
• 2614[21:37:54] <woenxs_> so anyway, it's debian jessie
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• 2623[21:41:24] <petn-randall> !raspbian
• 2624[21:41:25] <dpkg> Raspbian is a distribution <based on Debian> made specifically for the <Raspberry Pi>. Raspbian is not Debian and it is not supported in #debian. Please use #raspbian on irc.freenode.net for support. replaced-url
• 2625[21:41:28] <teraflops> woenxs_: really, then why it's called raspbian?
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• 2627[21:41:52] <petn-randall> woenxs_ already asked in #raspbian, no need to argue. We're continuing there.
• 2628[21:42:01] <woenxs_> yes yes
• 2629[21:42:23] <woenxs_> although I think it's quite a transversal question and shouldn't be affected by the specific hardware on which the OS runs
• 2630[21:42:36] <woenxs_> anyway, I already asked there
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• 2632[21:42:47] <DoctorD90> sorry jmcnaught you have rigth! GNOME :)
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• 2656[21:56:59] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: look in the program Tweak Tool under Keyboard and Mouse
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• 2658[21:57:31] <DoctorD90> yea, yet done. Nothing of usefull :( it doesnt take effect normal, fingers or other type
• 2659[21:57:37] <DoctorD90> i have find out this:
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• 2661[21:57:46] <DoctorD90> replaced-url
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• 2663[21:58:44] <DoctorD90> I have added tapbutton in libinput file....I have read it is the new thing to manage this devices
• 2664[21:59:07] <DoctorD90> im restarting....if it wil not work I will try to add in synaptic conf file as described :D
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• 2666[21:59:35] <DoctorD90> unfortunatly upgrading system, on a new hardware gave me some issue :P
• 2667[22:00:18] <DoctorD90> and yesssaaa :D it works!! :D eva in libnput :D
• 2668[22:00:37] <jmcnaught> !enter
• 2669[22:00:37] <dpkg> The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unnecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. If you hit enter too often, you will be autokicked by debhelper for flooding the channel.
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• 2671[22:01:04] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: ^^ this is especially important when others are typing, which could be any time
• 2672[22:01:07] <DoctorD90> ok! thx you and sorry. I will keep it in mind
• 2673[22:02:18] <DoctorD90> btw problem is solved.......now another one about crypt setup...but im too tired to handle it .....another day I will ask your help if I cant find anything on the net.... very very thx you!
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• 2710[22:16:14] * snort does an ode to debian stretch \0/ from a slacker _0_
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• 2712[22:16:43] <snort> thx a bunch guys
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• 2723[22:21:53] <Cobalt> I'm going to bite the bullet and try see if gparted is going to do the thing I need it to do after I finish backing up.
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• 2729[22:27:53] <nvz> I have an encrypted user account setup I've made a script in /usr/local/sbin/ to log them in, mounting their homedir and starting their session and it also stops their session, slays their processes and closes their homedir. The part I'm looking for input on is the home fs is in /home/user/.user which is -rw------- root root, and the encrypted fs that file contains mounts over top of the file to /home/user/
• 2730[22:27:59] <nvz> it works, which kind of surprised me, and it prevents any access to the file while the user is logged in, so it can't be deleted or anything, but does anyone see any potential problems with this?
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• 2758[22:45:22] <nvz> j ##linux
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• 2762[22:48:12] <Wyzard> Is there a Debian package that contains the GPG key used for signing the release ISO images (e.g. iso-cd/SHA512SUMS.sign)? I have both debian-keyring and debian-archive-keyring installed, but neither seems to contain the release signing key.
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• 2769[22:54:42] <Wyzard> The verification page (replaced-url
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• 2777[22:57:51] <petn-randall> Wyzard: The only true way™ of verifying the key is through the web of trust.
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• 2782[22:59:07] <Cobalt> tomreyn: Gparted worked a treat.
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• 2784[23:02:16] <Cobalt> Thanks.
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• 2793[23:11:26] <tomreyn> Cobalt: glad this worked out :)
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• 2796[23:14:54] <Arrowmaster> so at somepoint i setup a bridge interface to do VMs on this laptop but when i check what im assuming is networkmanager i only see the virbr0 and not my eth0, trying to figure out what is currently controlling its settings
• 2797[23:15:24] <johnkeates> how did you do the setup
• 2798[23:15:42] <johnkeates> using a gui: you probably have a linux bridge; other systems: might be openvswitch
• 2799[23:15:44] <Arrowmaster> if i recall correctly i setup the virbr0 using networkmanager
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• 2801[23:16:03] <johnkeates> then eth0 is gone since it's "part of the bridge"
• 2802[23:16:31] <johnkeates> unlike for example windows, there is no fake interface listed anymore as soon as it becomes a bridged interface
• 2803[23:16:43] <Arrowmaster> ok, well my end goal here is to enable ipv6 privacy extension on the main interface
• 2804[23:16:44] <johnkeates> vmbr0 == eth0 if that makes things easier for you
• 2805[23:16:49] <johnkeates> the main interface = vmbr0
• 2806[23:16:50] <Wyzard> petn-randall, verifying through a package on an existing trusted Debian system would be a close second, though
• 2807[23:16:58] <johnkeates> eth0 no longer is an interface
• 2808[23:17:18] <johnkeates> also, ipv6 privacy on vmbr0 means it is set for your machine, but not your VM's
• 2809[23:17:19] <Arrowmaster> it is according to ifconfig
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• 2811[23:17:30] <Arrowmaster> right i just want it for the machine
• 2812[23:17:34] <johnkeates> ifconfig should shut it's mouth, it only confueses new users
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• 2814[23:18:06] <Arrowmaster> im not new but i never made the switch
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• 2816[23:18:17] <Wyzard> ifconfig is deprecated these days IIRC
• 2817[23:18:27] <Arrowmaster> i know, ive been hearing that for 15 years
• 2818[23:18:49] <johnkeates> basically, eth0 no longer is a 'normal interface', it is internal to the switch
• 2819[23:18:58] <johnkeates> it will pass all frames to the switch
• 2820[23:19:07] <johnkeates> and then everything networking will go from there
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• 2823[23:19:36] <Arrowmaster> so would i reconfig the virbr0 in networkmanager then?
• 2824[23:19:55] <Wyzard> Arrowmaster, more specifically and recently, the stretch release notes specifically say that net-tools is deprecated: replaced-url
• 2825[23:20:27] <Arrowmaster> i know, old habbit of quick to type cmd to get info
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• 2837[23:25:33] <jmcnaught> virbr0 sounds like something libvirt would make
• 2838[23:26:00] <Arrowmaster> it is
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• 2840[23:26:35] <Arrowmaster> and im throughly confused now because i cant figure out where any of these settings are saved
• 2841[23:27:20] <jmcnaught> in libvirt. "virsh -c qemu:///system net-list"
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• 2843[23:29:02] <jmcnaught> and if virbr0 is the 'default' network created by libvirt, then it is not using eth0 unless you changed it from defaults. If NetworkManager doesn't list eth0, check to see if it's in /etc/network/interfaces. NM does not manage interfaces defined there.
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• 2847[23:31:23] <simbalion> the latest version of ClamAV in stretch is killing my CPU every time it scans an email
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• 2849[23:32:05] <petn-randall> simbalion: Yeah, clamav is ressource-hungry.
• 2850[23:32:38] <Arrowmaster> jmcnaught: libvirt just says 'default', and yeah it seems eth0 is in /etc/network/interfaces
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• 2852[23:33:44] <jmcnaught> Arrowmaster: 'virsh … net-info default'
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• 2854[23:34:21] <jmcnaught> Arrowmaster: if you want NetworkManager to configure eth0, then you can comment it out in /e/n/interfaces
• 2855[23:34:56] <Arrowmaster> yeah virbr0 is in default, actually id just like ipv6 privacy extenstions enabled
• 2856[23:35:20] <Arrowmaster> it can say as is otherwise until i have a need to mess with it
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• 2858[23:35:39] <simbalion> petn-randall: no this is a new problem that only began a week or two ago
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• 2873[23:46:13] <nvz> simbalion: tell it to play nice(1) with the other kids in CPU
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• 2879[23:48:32] <simbalion> nvz: How's that done? :)
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• 2887[23:53:11] <jmcnaught> simbalion: clamav must have some logs, have you looked for reasons why it might be using so much more CPU? If it turns out to just be because it's heavy and not a problem you can fix, you could look at "man systemd.resource-control" and use some of those CPU directives in /etc/systemd/system/clamav.service.d/limitcpu.conf (exact path depends on clamav service unit's name)
• 2888[23:53:50] <simbalion> jmcnaught: I will do some digging, come to think of it this is only affecting one of my machines, maybe it's configured weird..
• 2889[23:54:04] <simbalion> I appreciate the guidance
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• 2891[23:55:14] <nvz> afaik clamscan has a -n option for setting nice
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• 2893[23:55:51] <user1_> hi
• 2894[23:56:02] <user1_> does anyone know why scanner may not be recognized but printer part is?
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• 2896[23:57:04] <jolt> I think there is no direct standard for how scanners talk, but printers are pretty pnp these days
• 2897[23:57:25] <nvz> user1_: you're going to need to be more specific. Hi, I'm usinga FooPrint 6900 All-in-one on stretch, the printer works with Fooprint-matic, but I don't see the scanner with fooscanmatic.. that kinda thing
• 2898[23:57:27] <jolt> I haven't used a scanner on linux, but I think I recall sane to be the software to try
• 2899[23:57:52] <nvz> yes xsane usually works. I just showed my father how to use that with his HP all in one wifi printer last week
• 2900[23:57:56] <user1_> ok, well im beyond that point
• 2901[23:58:20] <user1_> i'm using simple scan. drivers are installed. it shows up in lsusb. hplip works, cannon doesnt, samsung doesnt
• 2902[23:58:29] <user1_> it's not permissions of group lp or scanner or usb
• 2903[23:58:41] <user1_> not root issue
• 2904[23:58:50] <user1_> it just shows hp cam in source
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• 2907[23:59:28] <nvz> scanning from the device doesn't always work, but opening a scanner util like xsane and scanning from the computer side usually does
• 2908[23:59:41] <user1_> that doesnt work
• 2909[23:59:54] <user1_> simple-scan doesnt recognize it. i need more technical answers
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