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70 [00:53:11] <njumdl2014> I upgrade my debian desktop from jessie to stretch. It becomes very slow.
71 [00:53:26] <vutral> wuuuuuuuuuu
72 [00:53:33] <vutral> one more reason to not upgrade
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78 [00:56:42] <daca__> debian installed on usb won't boot. Grub installed on the same usb with Debian 9. After sucessful instalation redirected to reboot; just black screen with flashing cursor?
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83 [00:57:39] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: Well, the upgrade process takes ressources, so things will be a little slower during upgrade.
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85 [00:58:47] <njumdl2014> not. After I upgrade to debian stretch, I restart my desktop. Then everything seems very slow
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88 [00:59:37] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: Slow in what sense?
89 [00:59:47] <Milo-> Hey, I have asus zenbook pro 550 and I need some assistance getting it to use nvidia drivers instead of nouveau. So far my efforts have been futile
90 [01:00:03] <Milo-> nvidia-detect says it can't detect any GPU
91 [01:00:24] <petn-randall> Milo-: Do you have a laptop with hybrid graphics?
92 [01:00:27] <Milo-> nouveuau is blacklisted, but can't start X when xorg.conf has nvidia
93 [01:00:31] <njumdl2014> the speed to open one tab of chromium make me impatient
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95 [01:00:47] <njumdl2014> just a small example
96 [01:00:53] <Milo-> petn-randall yeah, it has intel graphics integrated to cpu and external nvidia card
97 [01:01:17] <petn-randall> !bumblebee
98 [01:01:17] <dpkg> The Bumblebee project aims to provide support for the Nvidia Optimus GPU switching technology on Linux systems. GeForce 400M (4xxM) and later mobile GPU series are Optimus-enabled; if «lspci -nn | grep '\''[030[02]\]'» returns two lines, the laptop likely uses Optimus. Packaged for Debian <jessie> and <wheezy-backports>. replaced-url
99 [01:01:25] <petn-randall> Milo-: This? ^^^
100 [01:01:25] <Milo-> with bumblebee, I get a total halt when trying to launch X
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104 [01:02:28] <Milo-> besides, isn't bumblebee meant for optimus cards?
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106 [01:02:50] <Milo-> afaik 1050ti is not one of them
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108 [01:04:11] <petn-randall> Milo-: Check if you have GPU switching or not. You might have to check the specs for the laptop.
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110 [01:04:32] <Milo-> can't get X to start at all when bumblebee-nvidia and primus is installed. It simply freezes during boot (no keyboard interaction at all)
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112 [01:04:40] <stree> bumblebeed, primus and virtualgl xd
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117 [01:07:14] <Milo-> either NVidia or Asus mention Optimus explicitly
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128 [01:10:01] <Milo-> I can't even get any logs explaining why the system freezes during boot when bumblebee is installed
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136 [01:13:37] <Milo-> any suggestions on how to pursue the issue?
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145 [01:19:30] <Milo-> guess not :/
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152 [01:24:09] <B0rk_Meister6six> I also have a hybrid graphics laptop
153 [01:24:25] <B0rk_Meister6six> bumbblebee worked for me
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155 [01:24:42] <B0rk_Meister6six> my bios wont let me disable my intel card
156 [01:24:49] <B0rk_Meister6six> so everything is through it
157 [01:24:53] <Milo-> as far as I can gather, I'm fairly certain I'm supposed to use bumblebee
158 [01:25:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah
159 [01:25:09] <B0rk_Meister6six> it'll install everything
160 [01:25:11] <Milo-> but since I can't even get to a terminal with bumblebee installed...
161 [01:25:21] <B0rk_Meister6six> dont try to use nvidia on its own
162 [01:25:31] <Milo-> I've tried both ways
163 [01:25:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> one sec...
164 [01:25:45] <B0rk_Meister6six> you can use bumblebee in two ways
165 [01:25:51] <B0rk_Meister6six> i think
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167 [01:26:09] <Milo-> there is bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia packages
168 [01:26:16] <Milo-> I'm only interested in the latter.
169 [01:26:43] <B0rk_Meister6six> onboard graphics through nvidia chipsset with #1 nvidia prop drivers or #neauvo
170 [01:27:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> i followed the instructions on he debian page
171 [01:27:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> lemme find it
172 [01:27:07] <Milo-> so did I
173 [01:27:11] <B0rk_Meister6six> oh
174 [01:27:23] <Milo-> and it leaves me with a system that won't even boot.
175 [01:27:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah, Im no expert. i guess i got lucky
176 [01:27:43] <Milo-> a system that won't even give me a console, or any logs.
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178 [01:28:17] <B0rk_Meister6six> i recently installed debian 9 last week
179 [01:28:23] <B0rk_Meister6six> so i was on a fresh install
180 [01:28:44] <B0rk_Meister6six> installed optirun
181 [01:28:47] <Milo-> I installed debian 9.1 few days ago, and been battling with this since then
182 [01:29:19] <B0rk_Meister6six> i got 9.1.0
183 [01:29:26] <B0rk_Meister6six> been 7 days or so
184 [01:29:31] <B0rk_Meister6six> solid on my laptop
185 [01:29:52] <Milo-> guess I'll just have to start using your laptop instead of mine then. :P
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187 [01:30:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> haha
188 [01:30:28] <B0rk_Meister6six> i installed Synaptic Package Manager
189 [01:30:36] <B0rk_Meister6six> and then bumblebee
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191 [01:30:50] <B0rk_Meister6six> whats yer graphics cards?
192 [01:30:58] <Milo-> 1050ti
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194 [01:31:55] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah man... like i said.. im no expert
195 [01:32:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> replaced-url
196 [01:32:05] <B0rk_Meister6six> =(
197 [01:32:36] <B0rk_Meister6six> i wish i could turn off my intel graphics card
198 [01:32:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> and solely use ny nvidia card
199 [01:32:55] <Milo-> that would be way too simple :P
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201 [01:33:26] <Milo-> currently this thing is a 2000 euro paperweight
202 [01:34:14] <B0rk_Meister6six> that sucks
203 [01:34:21] <stree> in case closed connection sucks
204 [01:34:27] <B0rk_Meister6six> honestly tho, i never use my nvidia card
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206 [01:35:10] <B0rk_Meister6six> i mean i have to invoke the 'optirun' command if i want to use the nvidia chipset through the intel's output
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208 [01:36:04] <B0rk_Meister6six> its a fancy gpu sitting idle....
209 [01:36:25] <B0rk_Meister6six> but i can run lxgears through it for shits and grins
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211 [01:36:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> *glxgears
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214 [01:37:45] <B0rk_Meister6six> I'm also using KDE... if that makes a difference
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218 [01:38:57] <Milo-> doesn't really matter since I can't get further than typing my disk encryption password at the moment
219 [01:39:51] <B0rk_Meister6six> i had the same issue (it seems) when i tred to install the nvidia driver without groing through the bummble route
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224 [01:40:54] <B0rk_Meister6six> you need someone smarter than me to help ya
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229 [01:41:50] <Milo-> yep
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238 [01:50:07] <Milo-> Can't find if 375.66 still supports 1050ti or not
239 [01:51:20] <Milo-> nvidia's own page 6 results, oldest one being 378.13
240 [01:53:11] <B0rk_Meister6six> 375 is what i have
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242 [01:53:21] <B0rk_Meister6six> im running 9.1 stable
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244 [01:53:48] <Milo-> but my card is newer than yours?
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247 [01:55:33] <B0rk_Meister6six> GTX 860M is what i have
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249 [01:56:22] <Milo-> so yes
250 [01:57:29] <B0rk_Meister6six> and i'm using the nvidia drivers
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254 [01:58:32] <B0rk_Meister6six> yeah... dont know what else to say. I had a fresh install of 9.1 debian on stable with non-free enabled
255 [01:58:37] <B0rk_Meister6six> followed replaced-url
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259 [01:59:20] <B0rk_Meister6six> sudo apt-get install bumblebee-nvidia primus
260 [01:59:24] <B0rk_Meister6six> all i did
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262 [01:59:37] <B0rk_Meister6six> and then added myself to the bumblebee group
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264 [02:00:41] <B0rk_Meister6six> seriously tho.... it wasnt worth the hassle
265 [02:00:48] <B0rk_Meister6six> i done even use my nvidia card
266 [02:01:01] <B0rk_Meister6six> i have to manually use it through 'optirun'
267 [02:01:07] <B0rk_Meister6six> and i dont play gamed
268 [02:01:12] <B0rk_Meister6six> *games
269 [02:01:30] <B0rk_Meister6six> but 'optirun glxgears -info' works!
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278 [02:06:17] <sypher> pwd
279 [02:06:23] <sypher> pwd
280 [02:07:00] <sypher> pwd
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282 [02:07:45] <sypher> the hell?
283 [02:08:35] <PipeItToDevNull> #debian
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292 [02:11:22] <profall> replaced-url
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298 [02:16:15] <profall> Nevermind, figured it out.
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305 [02:23:11] <Milo-> reinstalled bumblebee, now X starts, but it's definitely not using bumblebee. Darn thing won't autostart
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315 [02:28:04] <Plushfish> Hey
316 [02:28:08] <tables> what's the best way to get traffic to your website?
317 [02:28:09] <Plushfish> o
318 [02:28:14] <tables> so they convert on your SaaS page
319 [02:28:18] <Plushfish> Sorry, the o shouldn't be there
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321 [02:28:50] <Plushfish> I have a 64 GB USB 3.0 drive, what format should I use? It'll only be used on UNIX-like systems.
322 [02:28:56] <Plushfish> I mean what file system
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325 [02:29:36] <Milo-> ext4
326 [02:29:44] <eck> ext4 if by unix-like you mean linux
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328 [02:29:57] <eck> if you want to use it on mac as well just use fat
329 [02:30:06] <Plushfish> With UNIX-like I mean BSD too ... iirc BSD is UNIX-like
330 [02:30:17] <eck> bsd probably supports ext4
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332 [02:30:31] <Plushfish> Alright, thanks
333 [02:30:37] <eck> not 100% sure though
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335 [02:30:39] <eck> you should check
336 [02:30:43] <eck> it definitely supports ext2/3
337 [02:30:45] <Plushfish> It's worth a try :)
338 [02:31:10] <eck> freebsd wiki says most ext4 features are supported
339 [02:31:11] <tw> It'll read ext4 for sure, but your journals might get a little mangled if you write.
340 [02:31:33] <Plushfish> What about XFS?
341 [02:31:34] <eck> replaced-url
342 [02:31:48] <eck> oh, it's read only
343 [02:31:57] <Plushfish> ext2 or XFS?
344 [02:32:04] <eck> use fat :-P
345 [02:32:06] <tw> afaik, xfs only has linux support.
346 [02:32:37] <Plushfish> FAT32 .. hmm .. FAT32 can't store files bigger than 3.8 GiB
347 [02:32:47] <eck> honestly ntfs might work
348 [02:33:02] <eck> the issue is that most (all?) of the linux filesystems are GPL, so the code can't be easily used in BSD
349 [02:33:08] <eck> which means BSD support is nonexistant or very very basic
350 [02:33:13] <Milo-> hmm, so why bumblebeed is not starting even thought it should be set to default runlevel?
351 [02:33:22] <Plushfish> eck: I see and understand
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353 [02:33:49] <Plushfish> I think it should work, BSD also has ntfs-3g
354 [02:34:08] <eck> do you need to write from bsd as well?
355 [02:34:13] <Plushfish> Yes
356 [02:34:40] <tw> Y'know what filesystem would work? zfs >.>
357 [02:34:51] <Plushfish> lol
358 [02:35:41] <Plushfish> I could also split my >4GB files into two or more if needed, then I could use FAT32
359 [02:36:30] <eck> or two partitions :-P
360 [02:36:41] <eck> linux fs on one, bsd fs on the other
361 [02:37:07] <Plushfish> That would be a solution
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363 [02:38:01] <Milo-> Any idea why bumblebeed is not starting during boot anymore?
364 [02:38:24] <tw> Plushfish: ext3 is just fine and it can write from both.
365 [02:38:41] <Plushfish> tw: Oh, thanks for sharing.
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367 [02:39:04] <tw> Milo-: did you get any log messages regarding bumblebeed?
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369 [02:39:35] <Milo-> I don't think it's even trying to launch bumblebeed
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371 [02:40:46] <Milo-> it used to start and freeze my laptop. ran update-rc.d bumblebee remove to see what's causing it. removed bumblebee and tried reinstalling it
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374 [02:41:05] <Milo-> and then used updaterc to add it back to runlevels, but after X starts, bumblebee is still inactive
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378 [02:42:08] <tw> you restarted after update-rc.d? which driver is loaded by X currently? nvidia?
379 [02:42:10] <Milo-> oh, might have been disabled still. ran systemctl enable bumblebeed.service, let's boot.
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381 [02:42:20] <Milo-> tw i915
382 [02:42:24] <Milo-> and yes
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384 [02:43:02] <Milo-> okay, now I'm back at the situation where machine just freezes during boot
385 [02:43:31] <Milo-> seriously no idea what to do with this situation
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387 [02:43:48] <Milo-> I can't get bumblebee to work at all
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390 [02:45:43] <Milo-> any suggestions where to look once I reboot the system again recovery mode?
391 [02:46:00] <Milo-> there is got to be a trace somewhere what's making the system just die like this
392 [02:46:24] <tw> Nothing in journalctl about it?
393 [02:46:26] <tw> or dmesg?
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395 [02:46:41] <Milo-> dmesg won't help after reboot
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398 [02:47:31] <Milo-> I have zero input methods during this boot, since bumblebeed is causing a complete freeze
399 [02:47:41] <Milo-> no ssh, no console, nothing.
400 [02:47:56] <tw> It'll go to /var/log/kern.log
401 [02:47:59] <tw> (dmesg)
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404 [02:53:36] <Milo-> Aug 4 03:18:42 flipflopbox kernel: [ 15.551685] uvcvideo: Failed to initialize entity for entity 6
405 [02:53:39] <Milo-> Aug 4 03:18:42 flipflopbox kernel: [ 15.551686] uvcvideo: Failed to register entites (-22).
406 [02:53:46] <Milo-> maybe that..
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408 [02:54:24] <Milo-> that's the only video related message. others are for loading bluetooth/wifi firmware
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411 [02:55:22] <tw> Nothing in journalctl -b1 ?
412 [02:55:46] <Milo-> rip, no persistent journal is set
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414 [02:56:50] <tw> hurg =/ What about /var/log/Xorg*?
415 [02:56:52] <Milo-> guess I'll have to do two more boots.
416 [02:56:58] <tw> Not that I think it gets there =/
417 [02:57:06] <tw> If it's hanging starting bumblebeed
418 [02:57:25] <tw> If you're in multi-user.target now, you can try to manually start the service, then startx and see what happens.
419 [02:57:35] <tw> At least you'll know exactly when it hangs XD
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423 [02:59:14] <Milo-> nothing in Xorg.0.log from the previous boot
424 [03:00:06] <Milo-> nothing in journalctl -b1 either
425 [03:01:27] <Milo-> tw replaced-url
426 [03:01:33] <Milo-> by that point it's already frozen.
427 [03:03:17] <tw> you've got me stumped then, you're at the point where I'd plug in a serial cable and set console output to that, but I doubt your laptop has one of those.
428 [03:03:35] <Milo-> :)
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430 [03:03:54] <Milo-> Damn thing barely even has an USB port -_-
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434 [03:06:16] <Milo-> guess I'll have to uninstall bumblebee once more and try doing a manual install
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436 [03:06:22] <moony> question: is Ion Shell (replaced-url
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458 [03:16:47] <tw> moony: can it { flock 9 -x ; : } 9>/run/lock/testlock ?
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460 [03:17:07] <moony> tw, i believe so.
461 [03:17:13] <moony> See feature list
462 [03:17:15] <tw> Then it's probably okay.
463 [03:17:18] <tw> you'd have to test it.
464 [03:17:24] <tw> scope redirection isn't listed.
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466 [03:18:19] <Milo-> hmm, pretty sure it shouldn't make a difference whether I build bumblebee manually or not. the project hasn't had a single commit in over 4 years
467 [03:18:43] <Milo-> is this seriously the only way to get nvidia card to work? -_-
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516 [03:59:35] <mandeep> in stable gnome 3 is changing the key press rate in settings supposed to take effect immediately?
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520 [04:01:50] <mandeep> it looks like it does, just that the highest setting is still slow
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523 [04:04:42] <mandeep> but xset does the trick
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526 [04:06:41] <dsc_> hi guys, pcmanfm or any other file browser cannot mount internal drives when I click on them - it says "not authorized to perform operation"
527 [04:06:53] <dsc_> i can mount them fine via terminal
528 [04:07:04] <dsc_> but this used to work when I used openbox - started using i3wm though.
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530 [04:07:37] <dsc_> what would happen is I get a password prompt, type in my root password - then it would mount the drives under /mnt/
531 [04:07:39] <dsc_> now I just get the error.
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542 [04:12:10] <dsc_> apt-get install ntfs-config was the solution ;-d
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563 [04:31:25] <ajbone> Hello, I'm following instructions on wiki.debian.org/lamp and while trying to install packages php5, php5-mysql, libapache2-mod-php5 I get a package not available error. If anyone is able to point me in the right direction with how best to find the packages I need would be much appreciated. Thanks
564 [04:32:05] <petn-randall> ajbone: php5 is not in the newest stable release, stretch. You need to install php7 there.
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569 [04:34:51] <ajbone> Thanks petn-randall
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576 [04:38:53] <RoyK> ajbone: which debian version?
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578 [04:39:09] <stree> sauvin listens to chrome version when asking / discussing this topic
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619 [05:01:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> How to fix this?
620 [05:01:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
621 [05:02:01] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did an apt-get upgrade
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624 [05:02:46] <dvs> !firmware-realtek
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628 [05:06:45] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
629 [05:06:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs?
630 [05:06:49] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs: ?
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632 [05:06:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> !firmware-realtek
633 [05:07:19] <dvs> ,v firmware-realtek
634 [05:07:20] <judd> Package: firmware-realtek on amd64 -- wheezy/non-free: 0.36+wheezy.1; wheezy-backports/non-free: 0.43~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 0.43; jessie-backports/non-free: 20161130-3~bpo8+1; sid/non-free: 20161130-3; buster/non-free: 20161130-3; stretch/non-free: 20161130-3
635 [05:07:24] <dvs> you need that package.
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640 [05:09:14] <TyrfingMjolnir> I'm on jessie
641 [05:09:56] <TyrfingMjolnir> replaced-url
642 [05:11:10] <dvs> TyrfingMjolnir, you don't have non-free as part of your sources.
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644 [05:12:02] <hanasaki> what would you recommend for a vpn server ?
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647 [05:12:51] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier or openvpn
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649 [05:13:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> If you choose to manage your own keys, make sure you source your root and private keys on an SD card that is stored in a safe place when not signing keys
650 [05:14:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> Only connect the SD card when signing
651 [05:15:13] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: looking to setup my own vpn vs use someones
652 [05:15:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier is like torrent
653 [05:15:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's a p2p VPN like thing
654 [05:15:55] <TyrfingMjolnir> No realt administration unless you host your own tracker
655 [05:15:57] <hanasaki> explain more please?
656 [05:16:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> zerotier.com
657 [05:16:20] <hanasaki> do they get my traffic unencrypted?
658 [05:16:44] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's e2e cipher
659 [05:16:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> Like WebRTC or bitcoin
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662 [05:17:31] <TyrfingMjolnir> At least that's what they write on their homepage
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664 [05:18:08] <hanasaki> with they both tunnel over http? https?
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666 [05:19:09] <TyrfingMjolnir> I must admit I use OpenVPN for most stuff; I only discovered zerotier 2 weeks ago
667 [05:19:29] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use zerotier for mumble
668 [05:19:39] <TyrfingMjolnir> With certain devs
669 [05:19:41] <hanasaki> mumble?
670 [05:19:53] <TyrfingMjolnir> encrypted skype
671 [05:19:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> encrypted "skype"
672 [05:20:12] <hanasaki> openvpn looks like it tunnels on tcp22 and standard ssh protocol?
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675 [05:20:43] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: tried ring ?
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680 [05:26:10] <TyrfingMjolnir> dvs how can I do the upgrade again with the newly installed package?
681 [05:26:18] <TyrfingMjolnir> ring.cx?
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683 [05:26:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> One of my peers would like me to try this
684 [05:26:34] <TyrfingMjolnir> I have it downloaded
685 [05:26:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> It's useless for me until I get a Meizu MX Pro
686 [05:27:11] <dvs> TyrfingMjolnir, upgrade? Did you install the package and reboot?
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689 [05:28:27] <TyrfingMjolnir> Not yet
690 [05:28:28] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: yes... deb9 has a package in the repo too
691 [05:28:33] <TyrfingMjolnir> I did apt-get upgrade
692 [05:28:38] <TyrfingMjolnir> and got W
693 [05:28:40] <TyrfingMjolnir> as pasted
694 [05:28:52] <TyrfingMjolnir> I use iPhone
695 [05:29:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> I really dislike android, but would give Ubuntu touch a go
696 [05:30:44] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: replaced-url
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698 [05:33:37] <TyrfingMjolnir> hanasaki: All the app stores suck apart from the Apple one
699 [05:34:03] <TyrfingMjolnir> I don't mind running debian on a Meizu Pro 5 w/the touch stuff from ubuntu
700 [05:34:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> apt FTW
701 [05:34:08] <apt> For The Win!
702 [05:34:40] <hanasaki> gnome and deb9 work great on my laptop w/ touch and autorotate
703 [05:35:01] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: you can make calls with deb on that fon?
704 [05:35:16] <TyrfingMjolnir> Did not get my hands on one yet
705 [05:35:21] <TyrfingMjolnir> But I do not see why not
706 [05:35:43] <TyrfingMjolnir> The best would be to run deb+e19+touch, no?
707 [05:35:52] <hanasaki> what app will do the equivalent of the android phone dialer app?
708 [05:36:09] <uxfi> Deb 9 is out/
709 [05:36:10] <uxfi> damn
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711 [05:36:35] <hanasaki> stretch yes.. recently
712 [05:36:53] <hanasaki> quite solid... I run kernel 4.12 with it ;)
713 [05:37:12] <uxfi> ah
714 [05:37:19] <hanasaki> TyrfingMjolnir: I prefer blackbox to e however its not really maintained...
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717 [05:38:24] <TyrfingMjolnir> I used to run mac on clients and debian on all my servers
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719 [05:38:59] <TyrfingMjolnir> I had some linux clients too, my favorite wm is i3, on 2nd place I have enlightenment
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721 [05:39:13] <TyrfingMjolnir> Do any of the other wms support touch at all?
722 [05:40:13] <hanasaki> not sure
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730 [05:43:30] <mandeep> anyone have success in install the private internet access app in stretch? the app wont open for me and doesnt give any errors. here's the strace: replaced-url
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743 [05:51:58] <deego> After I change /etc/security/limits.conf, what service do i need to restart for it to actually take effect?
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745 [05:52:50] <jmcnaught> mandeep: I don't know about their program, but I have used their openvpn service configured with network-manager-openvpn-gnome and with openvpn@.service
746 [05:53:01] <deego> I added this: * hard memlock 50710544, but in a /new/ login session, ulimit still shows unlimited
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752 [05:59:04] <deego> ah, (1) i should have used rss, not memlock. (2) logout and login worked
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775 [06:22:46] <mandeep> jmcnaught: does that setup protect against dns leaks?
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777 [06:24:32] <TyrfingMjolnir> what is $? in /bin/sh script?
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779 [06:25:01] <osmo_SMS> Hello, how I can add custom key, I try in Settings/Keyboard/Customshortcuts and I failed all the time.... What I want: Press F1 => Ctrl+shift+c and.... F2 = Ctrl+Shift+v
780 [06:25:05] <osmo_SMS> system->preferences->keyboard shortcuts tool,,, same problem
781 [06:25:14] <jmcnaught> mandeep: if you configure it so that only PIA's nameservers are in resolv.conf
782 [06:26:14] <mandeep> jmcnaught: cool. i'll give that a try if PIA doesn't get back to me. thanks!
783 [06:26:18] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: $? is the exit code of the previous command, usually 0 if successful, something else if not
784 [06:27:00] <jmcnaught> mandeep: PIA also doesn't support ipv6, at least last time I used them, so if you have ipv6 working then any ipv6 traffic is not over the VPN
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786 [06:27:36] <mandeep> jmcnaught: true i remember having to disable ipv6 every fresh install
787 [06:27:42] <TyrfingMjolnir> What does this mean? ON_PREMISES=$?
788 [06:28:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> The exit code of the previous command determines if the script is run on-prem?
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792 [06:28:41] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: it means set the variable ON_PREMISES to the exit code of the last command. Try running a command in bash, then 'echo $?'
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799 [06:30:08] <TyrfingMjolnir> llt /tmp/
800 [06:30:17] <TyrfingMjolnir> echo $?
801 [06:30:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> returns 0
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803 [06:30:41] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: replaced-url
804 [06:30:46] <osmo_SMS> jmcnaught, gnome
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808 [06:31:25] <TyrfingMjolnir> How can I change this exit status? On purpose i e
809 [06:31:35] <TyrfingMjolnir> export $?=1
810 [06:31:36] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
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812 [06:31:46] <TyrfingMjolnir> export ?=1
813 [06:31:47] <TyrfingMjolnir> ?
814 [06:32:36] <jmcnaught> osmo_SMS: when I try to add a custom shortcut in GNOME it wants to know the shortcut, a name, and a command to run. I don't see how you're telling it that F1 should mean ctrl+shift+c
815 [06:32:51] <jmcnaught> TyrfingMjolnir: "ls /file/does/not/exist ; echo $?"
816 [06:32:57] <TyrfingMjolnir> 0
817 [06:33:02] <TyrfingMjolnir> oh
818 [06:33:04] <TyrfingMjolnir> That file
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821 [06:33:20] <TyrfingMjolnir> 2
822 [06:33:25] <jmcnaught> dpkg: tell TyrfingMjolnir about enter
823 [06:34:20] <osmo_SMS> jmcnaught, yes, I want for F1 = copy and F2 = paste
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827 [06:36:09] <Milo-> to answer my own question "bumblebee hasn't had a single commit in 4 years, is there really no other way?" yes, yes there is. PRIME. It's in the kernel already for pete's sake.
828 [06:37:12] <Milo-> Thank you gentoo wiki for giving me the answers that I needed.
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863 [07:06:53] <Bouboutouh> Salut a tous je cherche le moyen de outrepasser sudo, en effet j'ai un script qui lance 4 terminal XTerm et comme c'est des commande qui font appel a sudo il me le redemande 4 fois
864 [07:07:40] <jmcnaught> !fr
865 [07:07:40] <dpkg> Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debianfr. Francophone users: for help in french, please go to #debianfr.
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868 [07:08:17] <jmcnaught> ou continuer ici en anglais ☺
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870 [07:09:27] <Bouboutouh> Hi all I am looking for a way to override sudo, indeed I have a script that launches 4 XTerm terminal and as it is commands that sudo sudo it asks me 4 times...
871 [07:09:30] <Bouboutouh> merci
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874 [07:11:59] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: you could make a new file in /etc/sudoers.d/ with 'visudo -f …' and use a NOPASSWD rule for your user for the commands that you want to run
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876 [07:12:49] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: what are the commands? maybe some of them don't really need sudo?
877 [07:12:58] <Bouboutouh> oh great idea
878 [07:13:14] <Bouboutouh> is cmd netstat tcpcump and co ^^
879 [07:13:35] <Bouboutouh> with dstat lsof and journalctl but her no need sudo
880 [07:13:55] <Bouboutouh> juste netstat for the option -p and tcpdump obligatory
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882 [07:14:59] <Bouboutouh> Or i run all in root but i don't think is good idea
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884 [07:15:29] <Bouboutouh> i prefer sudo for sure no write in directory
885 [07:15:55] <jmcnaught> running X11 programs as root is not a good idea. gksu/gksudo is better than sudo for that. policykit is even better.
886 [07:16:16] <Bouboutouh> don't use a graphique
887 [07:16:22] <Bouboutouh> all is in XTerm
888 [07:16:33] <jmcnaught> xterm is still an X11 application
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890 [07:17:19] <Bouboutouh> ok when you say X11 say directX11 ?
891 [07:18:21] <jmcnaught> no I mean X Window aka X11 aka Xorg replaced-url
892 [07:18:28] <Bouboutouh> ok great
893 [07:18:39] <Bouboutouh> i love XTerm so much
894 [07:19:31] <Bouboutouh> so gksudo for run xterm
895 [07:19:45] <Bouboutouh> and he dont ask for pwd in cmd sudo also ?
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897 [07:20:18] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: I don't think it's a good idea. You should use sudo inside the shell running inside xterm.
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899 [07:21:22] <jmcnaught> What I was trying to say, is that it is bad to use sudo to run X11 programs including xterm. gksudo is better, but I would still prefer sudo inside like I described above.
900 [07:21:45] <Bouboutouh> lol
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902 [07:22:30] <Bouboutouh> Why ! I use gnome term for run my script, and after 4 windows Xterm open and say my pwd, but in gnome before i have write
903 [07:22:47] <Bouboutouh> it's no possible to send flux gnome at Xterm
904 [07:22:50] <Bouboutouh> sorry bad english
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907 [07:23:48] <jmcnaught> You run a script in gnome-terminal, and it opens 4 xterm windows?
908 [07:23:58] <Bouboutouh> yes
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911 [07:24:26] <Bouboutouh> 1x for netstat 1x lftop 1x journalctl 1x dstat 1x tcpdump
912 [07:24:30] <Bouboutouh> 5 windows
913 [07:25:09] <Bouboutouh> but only 2 need sudo
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918 [07:27:40] <Bouboutouh> And after i make the next with ps and filter pid for lock
919 [07:27:41] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: have you tried looking for a way to do this with GNU screen, all in one term?
920 [07:28:09] <Bouboutouh> I have think that like Xterminator ?
921 [07:28:39] <Bouboutouh> but i prefer use what where in ubuntu default
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923 [07:29:24] <jmcnaught> I use screen a lot, but my screen sessions are always dynamic. I don't know how you would save a session to disk, never tried that
924 [07:29:31] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: are you using Ubuntu?
925 [07:29:41] <Bouboutouh> yes
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927 [07:30:12] <jmcnaught> Bouboutouh: you'll need to go to #ubuntu to continue then. Only Debian is supported in this channel.
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930 [07:30:38] <Bouboutouh> ok try this good day for you
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947 [07:51:27] <Rico> hello
948 [07:51:36] <Rico> is it stille possible today to upgrade a debian 6 to debian 7 ?
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950 [07:53:01] <bolt> it always will be, i reckon
951 [07:53:18] <jmcnaught> Rico: yes it should still be possible. You should follow the upgrade instructions in the Debian 7 release notes: replaced-url
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954 [07:53:52] <Rico> thank you jmcnaught
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956 [07:54:06] <jmcnaught> so once you upgrade to wheezy you should strongly consider upgrading to jessie, and then ideally to stretch
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958 [07:55:14] <jmcnaught> s/strongly consider/plan for/
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965 [08:03:11] <fireba11> Rico: though on a version that old i would recommend setting up a new box and moving over so you got a clean install again. not viable in all scenarious though
966 [08:03:41] <Rico> fireba11: I would prefer that too :)
967 [08:04:37] <Rico> jmcnaught: yeah... I will. I don't understand why the guy who set up these hosts did not maintain it... stupid
968 [08:05:03] <Rico> "install & forget" , nice!
969 [08:05:11] <Rico> *facepalm*
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977 [08:13:26] <fireba11> Rico: my usual strategy is set up a new vm/new box, install everything, build scripts with rsync commands etc. to migrate, test everything and then move over in a relatively shot downtime. that way you always got the old system to fall back to
978 [08:13:55] <Rico> fireba11: I think I'll do a snapshot :)
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991 [08:23:32] <fsociety[00]dat> possible to something identifiable for a single .deb file. I mean have can I sure it is a Debian Pac. or Ubuntu Pac. or others.
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1005 [08:35:00] <Rico> fsociety[00]dat: you're hard to understand :)
1006 [08:35:10] <fsociety[00]dat> yep
1007 [08:35:14] <fsociety[00]dat> :)
1008 [08:35:24] <Rico> I guess you can try to install .deb on debian or ubuntu
1009 [08:35:38] <Rico> if dependencies are missing, you will be warned / packages will not be installed
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1011 [08:36:15] <Rico> but ubuntu is based on debian, so...
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1013 [08:36:31] <fsociety[00]dat> Rico, I have a package abc.deb ; is is possible to see identical info for this.
1014 [08:36:43] <Rico> I don't know
1015 [08:36:46] <jmcnaught> just because they both use .deb does not mean their packages are mutually compatible
1016 [08:36:50] <fsociety[00]dat> like signature or maintainer
1017 [08:37:21] <fsociety[00]dat> not think on only a linux system
1018 [08:37:33] <fsociety[00]dat> think for only package
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1023 [08:40:32] <peterrooney> !based on debian
1024 [08:40:32] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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1043 [08:48:35] <fsociety[00]dat> peterrooney, thanks for the page; I will compare a distro with Debian 9 but per package in its installation CD :)
1044 [08:48:48] <fsociety[00]dat> and wiki says: When .deb files signed "...add new section(s) to the ar archive to store the signature information..."
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1222 [10:33:09] <Orbstheorem> Are there operating systems other than GNU that are linux-compatible?
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1238 [10:40:23] <greenbagels> So using the normal rxvt-unicode package instead of rxvt-unicode-256color still causes $TERM to be set to "rxvt-256color"
1239 [10:40:25] <greenbagels> isn't this a mistake
1240 [10:40:31] <zeitsofa> Orbstheorem: Android? but I think wrong channel for a talk a about
1241 [10:40:44] <greenbagels> the normal package shouldn't imply 256 color support, right?
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1361 [11:45:25] <mbrgm> hey! how can I find out how a specific package is built for the debian repo? my specific problem is that slapd in stretch is missing a specific module
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1363 [11:45:49] <format_c> mbrgm: do you know apt-file?
1364 [11:46:55] <mbrgm> format_c: yup, I do. already searched for it, it's not included in any package
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1387 [11:57:14] <format_c> mbrgm: when I search for slapd I find the package slapd
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1389 [11:57:26] <format_c> so I'd assume you can do aptitude slapd
1390 [11:57:31] <format_c> aptitude install slapd
1391 [11:57:36] <mbrgm> format_c: thats correct. now `apt-file list slapd | grep lastmod'
1392 [11:58:05] <format_c> apt-file update && apt-file search slapd
1393 [11:58:05] <mbrgm> as I said "slapd in stretch is missing a specific module"
1394 [11:58:15] <format_c> Ah strech
1395 [11:58:43] <format_c> haven't yet upgraded
1396 [11:59:18] <mbrgm> format_c: lastmod is also missing in jessie, so...
1397 [11:59:20] <mbrgm> thx
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1434 [12:22:32] <LiquidS> hello world :)
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1437 [12:24:49] <LiquidS> trying to revert my last apt-get update. I already have a list with the previous versions of the updated packages. I am trying to revert using apt-get install $(cat rollback.txt) | tr '\n' ' ') but i get E:version not found for all packages
1438 [12:25:29] <LiquidS> how can i make debian 'see' the old versions of the updated packages, so I can reinstall them ?
1439 [12:25:42] <bolt> they may no longer be in your configured repositories
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1442 [12:26:18] <LiquidS> bolt, ok, so how would i go about reinstalling them ?
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1449 [12:28:53] <bolt> LiquidS: the better approach would perhaps be to fix your problems. what exactly did you do?
1450 [12:29:06] <towo^work> apt-get update does not install any package
1451 [12:29:38] * bolt was assuming there was an upgrade in there
1452 [12:30:42] <LiquidS> i updated an ejabberd server and it now errors: call to an undefined crypo
1453 [12:30:47] <LiquidS> crypto*
1454 [12:31:13] <LiquidS> indeed, bolt, update && upgrade
1455 [12:32:30] <LiquidS> a dozen or so crypto packages are shown in /var/log/apt/history.log
1456 [12:32:51] <LiquidS> so i would like to undo those upgrades
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1465 [12:42:03] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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1474 [12:44:33] <nvz> the folks are in #debian-offtopic we're just persons here to answer questions
1475 [12:44:36] <nvz> !person
1476 [12:44:36] <dpkg> i guess person is like a bot, but squishier
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1479 [12:45:46] <BluesKaj> nvz, all people are folks , including the people here
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1481 [12:46:31] <nvz> no, you're mistaken. folks do dances and socialize.. we're only folks in #debian-offtopic, here we're like bots but squishier
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1483 [12:48:03] <BluesKaj> speak for yourself , but not others , sauishy or not :-)
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1485 [12:48:27] <BluesKaj> squishy
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1488 [12:49:54] <nvz> I'm fairly qualified to speak for #debian on this matter, I've been here since it started. I was trying to be more sociable in pointing repeatedly to the social channel. Greetings and such in a high volume support channel are problematic. Just so happens nobody is really active at the moment
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1490 [12:52:17] <well_laid_lawn> I'm folk but I'm buff - so I'm not so squishy
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1495 [12:57:07] <barteks2x> I have a big problem now... after *yet another* unfinished uptade attempt, X is crashing with bus error when stating KDE
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1497 [12:57:19] <BluesKaj> nvz, no one ever mentioned to me that greeting a room was cluttering the text ... and bah to your silly objection...pullinh rank doesn't cut it with me , because I'm. probly much older than you if you want to play that game
1498 [12:57:34] <barteks2x> i3 seems to work, so that
1499 [12:57:38] <barteks2x> s what O'm using now
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1502 [12:58:31] <babilen> BluesKaj, nvz: Let's drop this please. I would very much appreciate it if people were to keep greetings to #debian-offtopic unless they follow it up with a legitimate question
1503 [12:58:32] <nvz> barteks2x: are you using unstable?
1504 [12:58:42] <barteks2x> I'm on stable
1505 [12:59:10] <well_laid_lawn> barteks2x: what do you mean by "yet another* unfinished upgrade attempt"
1506 [12:59:14] <nvz> barteks2x: what do you mean by unfinished update attempt?
1507 [12:59:22] <barteks2x> and it's unfinished because of another problem, I thought it was just some power failure that caused it last time: after the system is in suspend/sleep for some hurs, it won't come bac up. No signla on the screen. Won't even post after reset. The only thing that helps is disconnecting the PSU for > a minyute and reconnecting it
1508 [12:59:32] <BluesKaj> barteks2x, are er pedantic yet?
1509 [13:00:00] <barteks2x> I was in the middle of update and put it into sleep/suspend and the computer just didn't come back up
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1511 [13:00:05] <BluesKaj> oops babilen^
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1515 [13:01:21] <nvz> hmm, sleep and suspend are two different things suspend actually writes ram to disk and powers the machine off
1516 [13:01:45] <barteks2x> Isn't the one that writes to disk called hibernation?
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1518 [13:01:55] <well_laid_lawn> I was thinking that
1519 [13:01:59] <barteks2x> I'me seen sleep and suspend used interchangably
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1523 [13:02:26] <well_laid_lawn> write to disk is hibernation afaik
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1526 [13:02:44] <well_laid_lawn> and it borks the filesystem here
1527 [13:02:53] <well_laid_lawn> so I just suspend
1528 [13:03:06] <barteks2x> would it be safe to run emerge --resume after that?
1529 [13:03:13] <stree> will emerge from interactions
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1534 [13:05:00] <barteks2x> well, I will try that at least and see what happens
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1537 [13:05:05] <barteks2x> I dout it will make things worse
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1543 [13:06:17] <barteks2x> fuck
1544 [13:06:26] <barteks2x> I was on the wrong channel all the time
1545 [13:06:29] <barteks2x> stupid me
1546 [13:06:34] <barteks2x> I was supposed to be on #gentoo
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1548 [13:06:45] <babilen> heh
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1551 [13:06:53] <Ruebezahl> Nice to meet you!
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1553 [13:06:58] <barteks2x> why noone was confused when I asked about emerge?
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1555 [13:07:12] <Ruebezahl> :)
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1576 [13:13:04] <tw> they all just mix together these days, pacman -S, apk add, apt-get install, emerge, pkg-add, yum/dnf install, I'm sure I'm missing some too.
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1622 [13:35:59] <patsToms> if I install package using deb file not downloading it from repository
1623 [13:36:08] <patsToms> when I will use apt-get upgrade
1624 [13:36:37] <patsToms> will it upgrade that package if there is newer in repository?
1625 [13:37:58] <jelly> patsToms, yes, if there's a package with same name, and newer version
1626 [13:37:58] <jelly> in a configured repository
1627 [13:38:15] <fireba11> you can prevent that if that is undesired of course
1628 [13:38:57] <patsToms> maybe you can give me a hint how to configre that it will stick with version from manual install?
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1636 [13:44:28] <tw> As I recall, apt-mark hold pkg. you can also use pinning, but that's more "prefer repo over others"
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1648 [13:47:20] <debby> hi
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1650 [13:47:29] <debby> So I got a bashrc script that invokes a command for a variable
1651 [13:47:37] <debby> well, thing is that the command doesn't like to be invoked twice
1652 [13:47:44] <debby> so how can I prevent this when a new tmux/screen tab is opened?
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1655 [13:48:12] <nvz> don't put it in bashrc?
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1659 [13:48:38] <nvz> bashrc is run everytime bash starts, bash_login is not
1660 [13:49:29] <nvz> another option is have the script check to see if the process is started or have it make a socket or lock file and check for that
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1662 [13:50:43] <tw> lock file is what I was going to suggest.
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1664 [13:50:59] <debby> nvz: so I need that script stuff for setting some environment variables that are needed by other commands that may be invoked by the user
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1666 [13:52:03] <nvz> debby: yes well this is what bashrc is for, to set up the environment, but not to run some program that shouldn't be run twice
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1668 [13:52:31] <wyoung> hai gang
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1670 [13:53:23] <debby> nvz: hm, I further investigated and found out that the particular program only fails when it is called from within tmux
1671 [13:53:31] <debby> So I got WSL (bash on windows)
1672 [13:53:38] <debby> And I invoke an exe over it - it works without tmux
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1674 [13:53:51] <debby> but in tmux sub-terminal I get an error when it is invoked
1675 [13:53:58] <debby> so tmux does something that the command doesn't like
1676 [13:54:13] <DoctorD90> jjmcnaught petn-randall btw: thx you for yesterday :D I changed localhost in whatIwant thx to u! I edited /etc/hosts and I fixed all issue thx to your suggest to check hosts file :D great ^^
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1679 [13:54:51] <wyoung> hai!
1680 [13:55:36] <nvz> wyoung: stop doing that, if you don't have a debian support question then go to ##chat or #debian-offtopic
1681 [13:55:57] <wyoung> nvz: oh
1682 [13:56:03] <stree> how oh wait, isnt it?
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1686 [13:58:10] <sypher> debby: So you're working within WSL's environment?
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1717 [14:17:14] <mxcarron> Hello
1718 [14:17:46] <mxcarron> I "dd"'ed the debian image a a usb key
1719 [14:18:09] <mxcarron> i end up with a weird partition table
1720 [14:18:35] <wyoung> oh
1721 [14:18:38] <nvz> it was probably more strange than weird
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1723 [14:18:43] <wyoung> which debian image/
1724 [14:19:10] <wyoung> and did you checksum the image furst/.?
1725 [14:19:45] <wyoung> nvz: How does that help?
1726 [14:19:54] <sypher> Rather than guessing, please define "weird" in this context.
1727 [14:20:05] <nvz> ^
1728 [14:20:06] <mxcarron> replaced-url
1729 [14:20:27] <mxcarron> yep I checksumed the image, it's ok
1730 [14:20:40] <mxcarron> is it normal to have this empty partition?
1731 [14:20:44] <mxcarron> +s
1732 [14:20:48] <sypher> Yes.
1733 [14:21:06] <sypher> They're hybrid images. That is normal.
1734 [14:21:11] <stree> a non hybrid format
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1736 [14:22:37] <mxcarron> is there a trick to boot it on an IBM x3550 ? (should I force legacy boot or something)
1737 [14:22:56] * mxcarron isn't really used to debian :(
1738 [14:23:17] <sypher> Should boot just fine via EFI if you have it, or legacy boot if you don't.
1739 [14:23:19] <wyoung> stree: hybrid as in MBR and EFI?
1740 [14:23:23] <stree> have hybrid isos
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1749 [14:26:26] <BrokerOne> Hello, how can add a nat line to translate a public ip to a internal ip?
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1751 [14:27:28] <jocacaca> hoola que passas?
1752 [14:27:47] <sypher> BrokerOne: Trying to translate that. Are you using a Debian box as a router?
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1755 [14:28:50] <wyoung> BrokerOne: NAT?
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1757 [14:29:42] <BrokerOne> sypher debian is not a router. I have a wildcard subdomain for example *hello.com. if i resolve in debian replaced-url
1758 [14:30:17] <sypher> BrokerOne: Debian CAN be a router, hence my question. What you just described is a DNS issue, not a NAT issue.
1759 [14:30:29] <wyoung> BrokerOne: oh, so you want a DNS server?
1760 [14:30:33] <BrokerOne> yes I know sypher thank you
1761 [14:30:43] <BrokerOne> no i need to solve it only for a few days so i dont need a dns server
1762 [14:30:48] <BrokerOne> neither split dns
1763 [14:30:53] <BrokerOne> only with nat rule
1764 [14:31:00] <BrokerOne> i know that can be done with nat rule
1765 [14:31:02] <debby> sypher: yes
1766 [14:31:18] <sypher> debby: This may be the wrong forum for you, given that WSL is Ubuntu, and even then it's a very modified Ubuntu.
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1769 [14:31:32] <sypher> BrokerOne: You're saying NAT, but your problem statement doesn't describe NAT at all.
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1771 [14:31:48] <wyoung> BrokerOne: your problem statement screams DNS
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1773 [14:32:09] <sypher> NAT has nothing to do with hostname to IP resolution.
1774 [14:32:23] <BrokerOne> yes i know sorry for my explanation
1775 [14:32:39] <BrokerOne> the domain always resolve same ip. so i know the public ip and the private ip
1776 [14:32:52] <wyoung> right
1777 [14:33:01] <BrokerOne> and i want to tell debian that awhen try to connect to public ip do it with the private one with a nat rule
1778 [14:33:01] <mxcarron> BrokerOne: you can cheat by setting replaced-url
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1780 [14:33:15] <sypher> Wat.
1781 [14:33:32] <mxcarron> or just use /etc/hosts (if it's only one domain, one server)
1782 [14:33:33] <sypher> BrokerOne: That's not how NAT works. Stop assuming that NAT is the solution, because it isn't.
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1785 [14:34:29] <mxcarron> you add "10.10.10.10 replaced-url
1786 [14:34:36] <sypher> BrokerOne: Add an entry to /etc/hosts to force it to resolve to the private IP for that hostname, or set up an internal DNS forwarder that will provide the private IP to clients inside the private network.
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1788 [14:34:54] <sypher> mxcarron: And that proxy idea is horrible, so you know. :P
1789 [14:35:22] <mxcarron> :-D :-D but it would work :-D :-D
1790 [14:35:30] <sypher> mxcarron: That's not the point! :P
1791 [14:35:33] <BrokerOne> the problem is that the domain is a wildcard. *.hello.com. there will be lots of different petitions.
1792 [14:35:37] <BrokerOne> but public ip is always same
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1795 [14:36:06] <sypher> BrokerOne: NAT is -not- the solution. Period. DNS is your answer. Also: DNS can handle wildcards. You will need to set up an internal DNS server.
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1797 [14:36:52] <BrokerOne> okay sypher thank you very much...
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1802 [14:40:01] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I got about 150 users on my system and I'd like to backup all their homes. I got a 6TiB External HDD for that and I wanted to keep copies up to 7 days before. What's the best way of doing this?
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1804 [14:40:57] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Check out 'duply.'
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1807 [14:41:24] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Can do all kinds of things, and simplifies complex backup structures.
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1809 [14:43:05] <tw> rsync with hardlink references is probably the most straightforward on-disk format, but requires some scripting.
1810 [14:43:10] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Could also just use rsync or tar.
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1813 [14:43:34] <sypher> duply can take care of most of it for you. A lot more space efficient, too.
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1818 [14:45:13] <hexhaxtron> sypher: how do I make the 7 days thing with duply?
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1820 [14:46:22] <sypher> hexhaxtron: It's heavily documented.
1821 [14:46:31] <sypher> hexhaxtron: replaced-url
1822 [14:46:51] <sypher> hexhaxtron: Start there. Creating a backup job creates a template config file that has extremely detailed comments.
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1858 [15:06:29] <al3xprey> I am trying to configure a fortware RAID 1 during a debian 8 install, when I create an MD device, select the partitions (which are created as partitions for MD device) and select FINISH, there is no Raid Device 0
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1860 [15:06:41] <al3xprey> or no raid anything
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1862 [15:08:01] <al3xprey> why is this happening?
1863 [15:08:04] <al3xprey> how can I debug it
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1870 [15:09:27] <ChrisH> al3xprey: check TTY4 from your text installer to see what happened.
1871 [15:09:48] <al3xprey> so there are logged errors?
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1873 [15:09:58] <ChrisH> should be
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1878 [15:12:17] <al3xprey> thanks a lot i'll check it out in a second
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1880 [15:15:50] <mender27> Hello! I'm trying to install Debian 9.1 from a DVD + firmware image onto a RAID-5 array + LVM in a Fujitsu-Siemens Celsius R650 workstation. For whatever reason the "Installing the base system" step is taking ages. Am I doing something wrong? :(
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1885 [15:17:17] <mender27> The drives are all SATA and the specs of the R650 are: 4-core Intel Xeon 2.5+ GHzz, 3 GB RAM DDR2 ECC, nVidia GeForce GTX 295
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1887 [15:17:57] <ChrisH> mender27: I would switch to TTY2 or TTY3 and check using df -h if the filesystems are filling up. Is tis a Real HW Raid or fakeraid or a Software Raid (mdadm)?
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1890 [15:19:13] <mender27> ChrisH: it's software RAID via mdadm, forgot to mention. However, I have a spare RAID controller, which I could probably put in and the motherboard itself should have one too.
1891 [15:20:14] <mender27> df -h tells me that only ~250 mb were currently copied to "/target", which I'm assuming is the mounted RAID. I'm at ~40% of the "Installing the base system" step.
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1893 [15:21:20] <mender27> Also, the array contains 4 x 500 GB (from Seagate) with one of them acting as a spare parity drive.
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1897 [15:23:22] <sypher> mender27: Bear in mind that mdadm will immediately start to initialize the full array by calculating and writing parity. Writing to the array at the same time also requires calculating and writing parity. Performance will be pretty terrible.
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1901 [15:24:46] <mender27> sypher: should I then opt for a 2x RAID-1 set with 2 drives each?
1902 [15:25:10] <sypher> mender27: Or a 4-disk RAID10.
1903 [15:25:16] <sypher> mender27: Same effect, less complexity.
1904 [15:25:31] <sypher> mender27: You will lose half of the array's available storage in either configuration.
1905 [15:26:00] <sypher> However, the RAID10 option will offer significantly improved performance.
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1909 [15:26:50] <jelly> mender27, is it a spare or is it parity? Those two things mean different stuff
1910 [15:27:08] <mender27> jelly: it's a spare, sorry for the confusion.
1911 [15:27:22] <mender27> sypher: right you are, true. I should probably do that then...
1912 [15:27:31] <stree> it is true, but one backup their rom
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1917 [15:29:04] <mender27> I'll go for a RAID-10 setup. This anyhow achieves what I need. Thanks a lot for help :).
1918 [15:29:20] <sypher> mender27: Last question: What filesystem are you going to be using?
1919 [15:29:32] <mender27> sypher: probably ext4.
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1921 [15:29:47] <sypher> mender27: Cool.
1922 [15:30:20] <mender27> Though I admit it would be nice to use ZFS as well, at least for storage :).
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1934 [15:43:52] <transient> "..-get update"; "W: GPG error: [...] KEYEXPIRED ".. repos being security.debian.org & also build.openvpn (for reasons unbeknownst to me(sry; im a n00b,uh..)).. anyway,considering I wouldn't mind it being the NSA or whatever even, nor care much for the box... any quick 1-liner any patient generous soul can throw out for me to get past this lil hindrance and get to to it.. my packages are craving updatez i reckon.. neway, thks
1935 [15:43:53] <transient> anyways for eventual help or input anyway... l8rz !
1936 [15:44:00] <transient> jessie btw
1937 [15:44:44] <jelly> transient, pastebin the complete output of "apt-get update" and "apt-cache policy", please
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1939 [15:44:49] <jelly> !paste
1940 [15:44:49] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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1942 [15:45:16] <transient> ah.. ok then, since you ask ! ...w8 up ! ..
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1948 [15:48:16] <ChrisH> mender27: did you check /proc/mdstat
1949 [15:48:22] <transient> replaced-url
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1951 [15:48:50] <transient> (..if not up.....sec , its demanding captcha... everywhere does these days it seems.. hhhhh...gonna solve it... say if u see it tho then fkem
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1962 [15:50:24] <transient> I'm seriously considering blocking a very wide, as much as possible, of all ip-ranges owned by Google and their affiliates.... ive grown to hate their captchas so much by now..... every so often "check all pictures with a car in"... and each pic slowly fade out.... waiting for new time and time again, eventually solve it... and similar happens once more, a time or few.. too often would i be better off searching elsewhere evn. damn
1963 [15:50:24] <transient> Google !
1964 [15:50:56] <mender27> ChrisH: no, I haven't. I'm redoing the install onto RAID-10. We'll see whether the same issues.
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1966 [15:51:00] <transient> Google is the devil..! (I've more reasons to hold a grudge against em tho,tbh.. neway fkem!!)
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1971 [15:53:25] <transient> u some times hear , especcialy once with monetary gain in the wide public perception of , how many countries have "strict data retention policies".. "only storing traffic logs for bililng purposes; deleted after 2 weeks"..yknow while it may be true, its still stored in numerous other nodes in-between and carefully archived, apparently... them "privacy-minded" policies means nothing and their claims are deceptive lies , at best
1972 [15:53:25] <transient> ignorant fools.. pfew. (..ive found out some unpleasant way mor eor less recently... fkem all!)
1973 [15:53:29] <transient> sry offtopic btw... kinda.
1974 [15:54:16] <darko> fuck the five eyes government
1975 [15:54:45] <darko> *governments
1976 [15:55:26] <transient> i could build a fort, fill up a sizable room even, just by the stacks of folders i had presented by my appointed lawyer , google-searches so many years back i couldnt rememebr most of them, not to mention the mails.. who knows what else they had.. sooo much paper, no wonder Brazilian deforestation seems unstoppable and all... shiit. (minor drug offence btw; semi-related to the interwebs (personal use only mind you))
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1979 [15:56:25] <darko> I live in a Faraday cage already.
1980 [15:56:52] <transient> yeh... fk the govts. . . and most anyway. best aprecciate good times with the Right Nows - while they last.. worries are for tomorrow.. and come to terms with the underestimated value in the phrase ignorance is bliss.. -imo anyway- does hold much worthy consideration indeed
1981 [15:57:10] <mender27> ChrisH: RAID-10 changed nothing. The installation still takes a hell of a long time during "Installing the base system".
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1983 [15:57:14] <BluesKaj> so nvz ...no reaction to this externsive offtopic tirade?
1984 [15:57:37] <transient> Faraday cage, yeah considering that solar flare is way over-due and assuming itd be comparable ifnot worse to the previous event, at the time barely any electrical stuffz around.... maybe not such a crazy thing.
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1986 [15:58:01] <transient> sorry, chats all urs again BluesKaj, I'mma shuddup I guess.. go ahead. Sorry.
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1990 [15:58:54] <transient> *tumbleweed*
1991 [15:58:58] <mender27> ChrisH: /proc/mdstat shows that the array is being resynced. Could this contribute to a sluggish installation?
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1994 [16:00:52] <BluesKaj> transient, I'm reacting because I got critized just for saying hello earler today , and now......nothing
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1996 [16:01:17] <transient> oh. well, I guess its my naturally pleasant demeanor, or something.
1997 [16:01:31] <transient> ..uh, concerning my inquiry here shortly following my entry initially..not long ago... the exired key and how apt-get update keeps whining .. any work-around; dirty or otherwise.. or should I try get rough (im a n00b.. ifk things up irrecoverably easily.. and often manage to accept the fact even..fkit!)... any suggestions..?
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2002 [16:02:44] <darko> fuck repos. compile your own binaries.
2003 [16:02:51] <darko> and make install.
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2006 [16:03:12] <transient> assuming its choked and updates held back otherwise.... i feel asif im losing breath... ever-increasing barrage of vulnerable exploitable remote-root bugs of all sorts makin its very public appearance thru my more or less open ports or whatnot if any important fixes im missin out on
2007 [16:03:58] <transient> actually, im not too far from - i think- what I understood by that there you just said...... Ive more than once tried (usualyl end up fkin it somehow, impatient either reinstall or try some other distro--) go for a BSD soon , actually.
2008 [16:04:19] <darko> install a firewall transient and monitor your traffic
2009 [16:04:30] <darko> Debian for life.
2010 [16:04:41] <darko> It's pretty awesome.
2011 [16:04:47] <transient> besides the fact I eventually do hope and expect to have more control of things, nor rely on trust in some unknown packagers (if theyd be as much in control down the whole way of delivery of the pkgs anyway..)
2012 [16:05:05] <transient> yeah, its what I choose pretty much every time all around normally.. so far.. for most servers n stuff anyway..
2013 [16:05:27] <darko> :D
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2018 [16:06:28] <transient> ...tho, quite sure its just coz I got as used to it thks to distros I found interesting at times (most known example being the off-shoot "Kali linux"; security-oriented Deb.-based distro)-- many others, similar , are Deb based as well... and havent really been onto centos, ubuntu or those other weird distros lately at all
2019 [16:07:30] <darko> I've heard nice things about centos though
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2022 [16:08:40] <transient> ..ive tried hoppin onto centos at times, but..... that yum.. it seems less refined, not just restricted and somewhat lacking, not very user-friendly and possibly more prone to fkups? could just be my noob-ness playing in tho.. if its too..uh, "so much is weird/wrong" and a "kernel panic" or whatever stops boot... id typically either try data recovery if felt required-right away, othrewise just push out that dam cd-holder in hopes the
2023 [16:08:40] <transient> cd isnt too scratched to survive another install at the time, and do frmo scratch...
2024 [16:09:25] <transient> so many times ive done that all, not really ever had petience to read as much of the man-pages as I kinda know I should (..hear that alot,at times anyway.. mayb im somewhat lazy too, i dno), anyway.... still much to learn apparently.
2025 [16:09:38] <darko> honestly you should not rely on repositories.
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2027 [16:09:53] <darko> apt or yum or pacman
2028 [16:09:57] <darko> whatever
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2031 [16:10:15] <darko> learn to compile and make install.
2032 [16:10:32] <darko> it'd be really helpful.
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2034 [16:10:46] <transient> main thing keepin me off the bsds atm is figuring optimal setup of the partionining scheme, with an ssd and a magnetic disk.. ofc. i wouldn't want it without FDE either, or risk some "random" (auto) setup of it either..ugh. seems much hassle, and lot to learn.. (the manuals are like books..... i imagine snow and christmas decorations b4 id complete it all :|
2035 [16:10:49] <transient> that sounds nice..
2036 [16:10:58] <transient> well, i do know, like.. "gcc asd.c -o asd" ..
2037 [16:11:22] <Mattx> Hi all! When creating a ram-based disk, does it make any sense to use other file system than tmpfs (for instance, ext4)?
2038 [16:11:32] <transient> yknow, exploit-db.com n such.. enough times and its memorized. but normally wouldnt find motivation to work with things like that, sadly :/
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2040 [16:12:06] <Mattx> for instance, is this a good idea? mount -t tmpfs -o size=1G ext4 /media/ram (notice the use of ext4)
2041 [16:12:17] <transient> admittedly skiddie-teachings, that, i meant. sorry if my english sux btw:s .. i's be an outlander (yurop^)
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2045 [16:13:50] <transient> why would that matter.. what is the general FS ifnot ext4 then; what makes you think there'd be any conflict (?)..?
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2047 [16:14:37] <Mattx> transient, don't know what fs is used if not ext4. but it seems there's one called "tmpfs" (probably designed for tmpfs disks?)
2048 [16:14:42] <AMartin> Hi, I'm trying to boot and debian live from iso stored on a hard drive (with LXDE) to test something. However, it always boots into installer. I tried in Grub2 set different parameters, but always installer pops up. Anyone any clue or option that might work (boot into LXDE)?
2049 [16:14:59] <transient> fdisk -list, or something? gparted? should be some basic cmd tools to easily find, i think..cant check?
2050 [16:15:02] <Mattx> transient, this works as well, that's why I'm asking: mount -t tmpfs -o size=1G tmpfs /media/ram
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2052 [16:15:29] <transient> oh...."tmpfs".. no idea what thats about.. but seems interesting I think..hmh.
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2054 [16:15:50] <bolt> it's transient :P
2055 [16:15:56] <Mattx> yeah, it's called tmpfs, so I find it weird I could use ext4 on a tmpfs disk :P
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2057 [16:16:35] <crazyb0y> AMartin: be sure it's a live cd iso =)
2058 [16:16:42] <transient> not sure if correct at all; mayeb I've misunderstood somehow, or something.... but personally would generally try stick to ext2 unless seeing major downsides... journaling for example..things potentially compromising integrity; more likely enabling forensic recovery of data for example.. dont like it !
2059 [16:17:00] <AMartin> crazyb0y: good point, double checked on that ;)
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2061 [16:18:31] <Mattx> btw, I just noticed there's a /run/user/1000 tmpfs already on my system. do you know anything about it?
2062 [16:18:34] <transient> not 3/4 anyway... also, afaik, not just Ubuntu (some... advertised "easy to use", "windows-like" even) I managed to screw up with numerous errors and seemed reinstall only solution (prly wasnt, but ..seemed endless, i had screwed it badly), trying to turn off features that apparently is quite similar to that which theey've in Windows, a sorta perpetual indexing/searching feature constantly going over them dataz.. for sake of faster
2063 [16:18:34] <transient> search? yikes..nothxx...:S
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2066 [16:19:25] <transient> cant remmber its name.. it had some linux-wide name apparently (used by several distros..). Distros Ill be avoiding thats for sure.
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2075 [16:23:24] <ChrisH> mender27: A RAID in initial sync will slow down a lot... RAID5 even more than Raid1
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2081 [16:24:18] <mender27> ChrisH: So it seems. The installation picked up base now. Thanks for clearing that up :).
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2083 [16:25:08] <Akuw> i am trying to clone a linux partition
2084 [16:25:13] <Akuw> what options i have?
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2086 [16:25:23] <Akuw> so i can run in another computer
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2090 [16:25:53] <transient> exfat or something mayb?
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2092 [16:26:13] <transient> ..wasnt there one easily read by both..(assuming ur lowering urself to run it on Windoze as that other ..hmh?)
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2096 [16:27:00] <Adam-M> Did anyone here ever try to use Debian on a 2017 MacBook Pro (with Touch Bar)
2097 [16:27:01] <Akuw> i have one computer, so i want to clone and copy to another pc
2098 [16:27:05] <transient> otherwise there are tools for win that can unlock luks containers too now, ... encfs, cryfs..can't remember.. anyway, device or file otherwise unrecognized.. get it out thru such tools
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2101 [16:27:21] <transient> and/or cygwin for similar uses, also has filesystem management tools i ..think...
2102 [16:27:28] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me configure RoundCube step by step?
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2104 [16:27:51] <transient> May be, hexhaxtron. Can you elaborate on what your request for assistance concerns?
2105 [16:28:07] <hexhaxtron> transient: I've tried 3 tutorials and I can't make it work...
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2107 [16:28:29] <transient> they were bad. or u didnt pay attention, or need to read them a three-ten more times.
2108 [16:29:25] <transient> what tutorials btw.... whats the issue. wheres the problem, what error when where what how , what've u tried, or haven't.. etc.. such details might enable more to without as much issue be able to provide you better answers, possibly.
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2112 [16:30:55] <transient> "step by step".. may I ask if you've exhausted the basic typical resources for comparable infoz ... such as Googling,like..."roundcube"+(tutorial|guide), or maybe even acecpt defeat and try have a glimpse over on their manual. hmm
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2114 [16:31:19] <BluesKaj> gawd
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2120 [16:32:01] <mender27> BluesKaj: my words exactly :D.
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2123 [16:33:03] <transient> assuming youre some high-level criminal figure and threat to society, terrorist or whatever theyd call it anyway, withholding that info as much.. any other tid bits of info you could share regarding the point at which u're stuck, have issues..or any hints to what that issue could be.. even a subtle semi-related thing to enable ppl more understanding.. could yield more responses
2124 [16:33:19] <BluesKaj> mender27, hope the drug wears off soon :-)
2125 [16:33:50] <transient> just sayin.. "it doesnt work, what did i do wrong?" kinda inquiries seems unfrtunately hard to reply satisfactory to, and bad for both parties possibly.
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2127 [16:34:12] <transient> ..think too many neglect gewgle
2128 [16:34:17] <mender27> BluesKaj: you think it's drugs? What if it's sheer enthusiasm? :D
2129 [16:34:44] <transient> ;)
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2131 [16:34:56] <BluesKaj> adrenalin is a drug
2132 [16:35:55] <transient> replaced-url
2133 [16:36:19] <mender27> transient: about BSDs. I know it's exactly a popular topic here, but I see how you would enjoy OpenBSD.
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2135 [16:36:40] <transient> what, why , how''s that.. why u think so? hm..
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2137 [16:37:40] <transient> related to what ive previously been saying, or .. ifnot i might b bit confsed.. (possibly bit .. slow/dumb atm , hmmmm
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2139 [16:38:30] <mender27> transient: related to being security-conscience.
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2142 [16:39:17] <transient> i like the unusual FDE on FreeBSD.. if nothing else; assuming (presumed) reasonable solid.. the mere rarity of it may be a very good thing.. esp if anyway coupling with the normal sorta encryption for containers n such too.. complicating things yknow
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2145 [16:40:09] <transient> oh.. yeh.. crazy thugs from the govt. makni me paranoid lately.. goin so madly crazy and exaggerating for tiny things...... scares me quite a bit...
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2148 [16:41:32] <sypher> transient: Why would 'rarity' be a good quality in an encryption solution?
2149 [16:41:34] <transient> and,while aware there is eventually no total escape from it all, just more or less,or the notion (and likely assurance of,for good time to come anyway) gettin increasingly wary of the power of simple osint and related analysis & processing....
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2154 [16:42:03] <transient> because its not such a huge "jackpot" for so many groups to be able to crack, is less valuable besides to those who are eager to get into those few ones
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2157 [16:43:15] <transient> the major kinds are prolly heavily audited..that being a good thing by itself - some times, assumign it holds up.... not that anythign ever did for too long, or anywhere near as predicted,buuut - .. less attention, less knowledge of.. less chance ppl can leech of someone elses work breaking it..
2158 [16:43:42] <transient> assuming it actually is solid yet still so little used.. a few extra layers of security added to that and be pretty nice..!
2159 [16:43:59] <Akuw> is possible to clone linxu and run in a difernt pc?
2160 [16:44:17] <mender27> transient: remember about the unknown knowns. Some OS's are not audited to the same degree, but that doesn't mean they don't security flaws.
2161 [16:44:47] <transient> imo.. what ive bn thinkin so far anyway .. besides these "main" , popular ways of securing data and trusting its integrity thru the times..... are custom/creative solutions in-between... unexpected things..nothing too big/resource-demanding neccessarily..
2162 [16:44:59] <transient> yeah..
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2167 [16:46:44] <transient> but unless they are... it's quite a step to set a group of researchers on a mission to audit someting like that for a specific purpose ... I'm not THAT bad,heh. (not that the publication of a successful audit would likely be made clear to the public anyway but... (parallell construction and these questionable legal terms they like hiding behind to keep their 0day baggie as filled for aslong as they can yknow
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2175 [16:50:20] <jelly> Akuw, yes. There are some things to take care of, but in general this works well. My system at home has lived thru about 6 hardware setups and similar number of OS releases
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2177 [16:50:51] <Akuw> jelly: do you have any docs about that?
2178 [16:51:02] <jelly> not really
2179 [16:51:03] <transient> Akuw yes even simply make it a virtual disk and load onto vmware/vbox i think..
2180 [16:51:13] <transient> pretty sure aint't a big deal... just cant remember details atm..
2181 [16:51:17] <transient> same other way aroud too afaik...
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2183 [16:51:47] <transient> check out disk imaging software
2184 [16:51:54] <transient> forensic disk imaging
2185 [16:52:00] <johnkeates> use a camera
2186 [16:52:01] <Akuw> i will test clonezilla
2187 [16:52:05] <johnkeates> takes excellent images
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2191 [16:52:19] <transient> that may work, i think..heard nice of it, possibly even withsuch a feature even... i thiink.. nice
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2194 [16:53:28] <jelly> Akuw, roughly, the steps would be: either put disks into a new machine, or format and safely copy all the files; fix fstab; fix boot loader; regenerate initramfs; fix /etc/udev/rules/70-persistent-net.rules; if the old system is still on the network, change its IP and/or host.
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2198 [16:53:45] <jelly> hostname*
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2201 [16:53:56] <jelly> or disconnect it.
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2206 [16:55:39] <jelly> also, firmware if some drivers for the new hardware need it. If it's a desktop or a laptop, graphic drivers might need taken care of.
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2209 [16:56:17] <jelly> but if you chose the hardware that works well with Linux and free drivers, then you don't need those steps
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2213 [16:57:20] <domovoy> hi
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2251 [17:10:44] <b-04> hi friends, what is the equivalent to ipconfig /flushdns in debian?
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2267 [17:13:10] <Trel> b-04: did you install a dns caching daemon? If not, I don't believe it caches. It may be cached upstream.
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2272 [17:14:13] <b-04> Trel: i have a squid, and i change the /etc/resolv.conf so the changes not reply
2273 [17:14:24] <b-04> sorry /etc/hosts
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2276 [17:16:32] <b-04> Trel: i solved. i used service squid3 reload, and dns cache flush
2277 [17:16:34] <b-04> :)
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2282 [17:18:06] <domovoy> setting up some dev environment using kvm, dnsmasq, resolvconf... dnsmasq gives and resolves domains in "virt.example.com", transfer the rest to upstream nameserver. i'd like to resolve domains this way: from host -> "*": normal resolution, "*.virt": "*.virt.example.com". From guests i want to add "*.example.com": "*.example.com.virt.example.com". Virtual network is on bridge "virt0". Any idea on how to get that?
2283 [17:18:19] <dokma> I need to install cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 from Canon but it depends on libgtk2.0-0:i386 which conflicts with the amd64 version. Is there any way to resolve the conflict?
2284 [17:19:48] <dokma> Is it possible to install the i386 variant of the lib somewhere on the side where cnijfilter can use it but so that it does not conflict with amd64 variant?
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2333 [17:43:52] <BlackFerdyPT> I have what appears to be a weird error(?) message that now appears in my boot: replaced-url
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2336 [17:44:13] <BlackFerdyPT> (hi everyone)
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2339 [17:45:31] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: that's just part of the output of fsck, not an error
2340 [17:45:54] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, but it didn't appear in my last Debian install, yesterday...
2341 [17:45:57] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: although it is unusual to see that every boot, as fscks shouldn't happen that often unless there is a problem with the disk and/or filesystem
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2346 [17:47:26] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, might it have been because I deleted a bunch of configuration files in my /home partition, after a first log in?
2347 [17:47:54] <greycat> Hard to imagine anything you do in /home would affect whether the OS decides to run an fsck.
2348 [17:48:12] <greycat> Usually it decides based on the number of mounts and the total elapsed time since the last fsck.
2349 [17:48:18] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: shouldn't cause it. by default it's every 30 boots or if the filesystem is not marked as being in a "clean" state (eg shutdown via power loss)
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2351 [17:48:24] <greycat> More likely, there is a clock issue of some kind, so it thinks a long time has elapsed.
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2359 [17:50:53] <BlackFerdyPT> Well, it now appears in every boot. But, indeed I had to power off (by hand) my computer, when testing another distro before this debian install... Is there any way to "clean" my partition, so that the message goes away?
2360 [17:51:26] <greycat> That's what fsck does. Checks for corruption, then marks it as clean.
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2363 [17:53:09] <greycat> Try running "journalctl"
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2365 [17:53:21] <greycat> Try running "journalctl" as root, and look for "fsck" in the output, and see what actually happened and why.
2366 [17:53:32] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, ok. I'll try it
2367 [17:53:47] <greycat> On a normal-ish system you might see something like Jul 24 08:10:19 wooledg systemd-fsck[402]: /dev/sda3: clean, 341/183264 files, 4
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2371 [17:56:53] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, yes. that's what it shows. that my /home partition is clean ("Aug 04 16:18:24 desktop systemd-fsck[337]: /dev/sda3: clean, 66181/23699456 files, 88484664/94793741 blocks")
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2375 [17:57:45] <greycat> Read the other lines before and after that, see if anything looks weird.
2376 [17:57:48] <BlackFerdyPT> I have seen this message in boot in previous installs, but what I don't understand is why didn't it show on my previous debian install, but now on this one...
2377 [17:58:03] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, ok
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2385 [18:01:59] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, didn't see anything that looked weird (although, I don't understand much of what I'm reading)...
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2393 [18:03:32] <BlackFerdyPT> jee... it's just that, I'm trying to make a "silent boot" on my computer, and that irritating "red block", with a copyright(?) symbol, is the only thing that still shows up - and it didn't, yesterday, on my last debian install - when I used the "fastboot" instruction on GRUB
2394 [18:03:33] <Trel> When using the textmode installer, how do you stop and get back to the menu to go back a step if you're on one that doesn't have a <Go Back> option?
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2406 [18:07:11] <BlackFerdyPT> alternatively, is there a way to disable the file system check on boot?
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2408 [18:08:16] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, try hiting the "Esc" key
2409 [18:08:42] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, it should show you a list of install steps, that you can go back to
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2415 [18:10:21] <Trel> Escape worked, thanks
2416 [18:10:26] <Trel> That's what I was looking for
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2418 [18:10:50] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, well, at least I know it's not something wrong with my partition. I'll look on the Internet, then, for solutions to what I'm trying to accomplish
2419 [18:11:01] <BlackFerdyPT> Trel, nice
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2421 [18:11:18] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, thank you very much for your help and explanations
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2423 [18:11:45] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, thank you very much for your help and explanations
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2428 [18:14:10] <jordanm> BlackFerdyPT: to not fsck, change the last column in /etc/fstab for the drive to "0" (not recommended)
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2431 [18:14:41] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, I've tried that before, and didn't work. but, I'll try again. thanks
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2435 [18:15:55] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, I'll make a reboot, and I'll get back here, in case anything changes
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2437 [18:16:11] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, thanks again for all your help and your tips
2438 [18:16:19] <jordanm> np
2439 [18:16:28] <BlackFerdyPT> bye everyone
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2467 [18:30:11] <dokma> I need to install cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 from Canon but it depends on libgtk2.0-0:i386 which conflicts with the amd64 version. Is there any way to resolve the conflict?
2468 [18:30:15] <dokma> Is it possible to install the i386 variant of the lib somewhere on the side where cnijfilter can use it but so that it does not conflict with amd64 variant?
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2470 [18:30:45] <jhutchins_wk> !multiarch
2471 [18:30:45] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
2472 [18:31:08] <dokma> jhutchins_wk: I alredy have i386 packages installed.
2473 [18:31:21] <dokma> The problem is that i386 is in conflict with the amd64 variant of the package...
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2475 [18:31:30] <dokma> I am trying to have both installed.
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2477 [18:33:09] <petn-randall> dokma: When they conflict, there's no way to install both.
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2479 [18:33:38] <petn-randall> dokma: Rather than trying to solve that, tell us why you would want to install both at the same time.
2480 [18:33:41] <petn-randall> !xy problem
2481 [18:33:42] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
2482 [18:33:43] <dokma> petn-randall: that's weird because I already had that package installed on jessie for years and had no problems.
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2484 [18:33:48] <stree> humanity are xy and females
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2486 [18:34:31] <dokma> petn-randall: I need to install cnijfilter-mx320series:i386 which depends on a bunch of i386 libs which, in turn, conflict with their amd64 counterparts.
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2488 [18:35:12] <greycat> stree: please leave, or disable your public random output
2489 [18:35:14] <dokma> The biggest conundrum is that I had cnijfilter-mx320series installed already and it worked fine until stretch went stable and my system tried to autoupdate"
2490 [18:35:21] <stree> i disable on disk doesnt necessarily
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2494 [18:36:04] <petn-randall> greycat: I'm convinced that it's a bot, anyway.
2495 [18:36:10] <greycat> I am 100% certain it is.
2496 [18:36:32] <dokma> it won't be missed ...
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2498 [18:36:43] <dokma> But I miss the ability to print on my CUPS
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2500 [18:37:36] <petn-randall> dokma: I can't find such package in Debian. Is there's a typo somewhere in the name?
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2504 [18:38:07] <dokma> petn-randall: cnijfilter-mx320series is made by Canon
2505 [18:38:11] <dokma> it's not in the repos
2506 [18:38:59] <petn-randall> dokma: I guess you have to ask Canon why they made it that way. No way for use to know why.
2507 [18:39:03] <dokma> there are two packages cnijfilter-common and cnijfilter-mx320series
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2510 [18:39:45] <alekz> Hi there! I'm not sure if I should be asking this here or in wireshakr's channel. I'm working on a script that will install wireshark package via apt, but is there a way to say it to automatically choose the wireshark's option 'Yes' for allow non root users to capture packages that is prompted during the install process? Thanks!
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2512 [18:41:10] <greycat> dokma: in stretch, when I attempt "sudo apt-get install libgtk2.0-0:i386" on an amd64 box, it looks like it would work, if I actually wanted 72 new packages installed
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2520 [18:45:11] <dokma> greycat: I'm on jessie.
2521 [18:45:30] <dokma> greycat: is it possible you don't have the amd64 version installed?
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2523 [18:45:55] <greycat> I do have the amd64 version installed. I didn't test on jessie though.
2524 [18:46:20] <dokma> which version is you libgtk2.0-0 amd64 ??
2525 [18:46:26] <dokma> which version is your libgtk2.0-0 amd64 ??
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2527 [18:47:09] <greycat> 2.24.31-2
2528 [18:47:27] <dokma> how about the i386 version?
2529 [18:47:42] <greycat> 0 upgraded, 72 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
2530 [18:47:55] <greycat> Need to get 19.6 MB of archives.
2531 [18:48:00] <greycat> After this operation, 49.8 MB of additional disk space will be used.
2532 [18:48:06] <greycat> So, I said no.
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2535 [18:48:49] <dokma> hmmm... now I see that the i386 breaks only the amd64 version that is different than the i386 version
2536 [18:48:54] <dokma> we're getting somewhere...
2537 [18:49:31] <jhutchins_wk> jessie is 2.24.25-3+deb8u2
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2541 [18:51:50] <dokma> I think I managed to resolve it!
2542 [18:52:00] <dokma> aptitude was really helpful
2543 [18:52:19] <dokma> greycat: your tip pulled me through
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2547 [18:54:41] <leibniz> nnnyytntnnnnnn
2548 [18:54:58] <leibniz> hey
2549 [18:55:14] <leibniz> i need help compiling weechat1.9 on stretch
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2555 [18:57:45] <leibniz> can someone help
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2557 [18:58:22] <rozie> leibniz: why do you compile?
2558 [18:58:29] <greycat> !checkbackport weechat
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2560 [18:58:34] <greycat> ,checkbackport weechat
2561 [18:58:35] <judd> Backporting package weechat in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
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2563 [18:58:54] <greycat> What problem did you run into, backporting the sid deb-src of weechat to stretch?
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2565 [18:59:24] <leibniz> it says i have to use something other than cmake
2566 [18:59:30] <greycat> !simple sid backport
2567 [18:59:30] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
2568 [18:59:40] <rozie> :-)
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2570 [19:00:01] <greycat> I doubt anyone here's going to try to help you with an *upstream* build, if that's what you were doing, given that sid/buster have 1.9 and judd thinks a backport will work.
2571 [19:00:23] <greycat> And cmake can go die in a fire.
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2573 [19:01:05] <leibniz> how do you do this backport deal?
2574 [19:01:10] <leibniz> show me the man?
2575 [19:01:12] <greycat> LIke the bot said.
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2577 [19:01:33] <leibniz> ok
2578 [19:01:36] <leibniz> i will try thar
2579 [19:02:24] <transient> more ppl should compile! ..or else everything is backdoored some time soon :d
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2583 [19:03:09] <greycat> replaced-url
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2587 [19:04:40] <transient> I raelly, really hope that once I learn more about how all this really works and all I'll feeel Ive more reason to chill and worry less about those things.. Hopefully it's just paranoia, and due to lack of knowledge on my side.. I hope. =]
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2591 [19:06:32] <majest1c> I want a contact form with php to work, I installed sendmail but it doesnt seem to forward the message to the mail. This is an output from a test: replaced-url
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2601 [19:11:12] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: No such pastebin. Please use paste.debian.net in the future. You not only have to install your mailer, you need to configure it.
2602 [19:11:27] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: sendmail is not the default mailer for Debian.
2603 [19:11:42] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk Whats the default mailer? And how would I configure it easily?
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2606 [19:12:18] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: It's either postfix or exim4, not sure which, but it can be configured with dpkg-reconfigure.
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2609 [19:12:39] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk would you recommend it over sendmail?
2610 [19:12:44] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: It's generally not a good idea to set up a mailer unless you have read the documentation on how to set it up.
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2615 [19:13:22] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: Sendmail's configuration is a little more difficult to understand than the other two.
2616 [19:13:25] <majest1c> jhutchins_wk Why? If I dont have a mailer the contact form wont work and would be useless
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2620 [19:13:34] <greycat> Step 1 is configuring the MTA (Debian uses exim by default). Step 2 is installing whatever package it is that lets PHP send mail.
2621 [19:13:57] <jhutchins_wk> majest1c: I didn't say it wasn't a good idea, I said it wasn't a good idea until you have read the docs.
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2623 [19:14:23] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: still exim, thx.
2624 [19:14:26] <transient> or ini_set("smtp", "custom.one.here"); --- not accurately liekyl, but think some override like that possibly
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2627 [19:15:31] <transient> u dont really need a package, u can literally send commands to smtp server manually by hand thru telnet; u should try it once just cos its initerestnig actually! try google like "send mail"+"telnet"+"smtp"
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2630 [19:15:46] <transient> or plan-text protocol basically
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2632 [19:16:11] <greycat> That's still not how you should write software, though.
2633 [19:16:27] <greycat> ,info php-mail
2634 [19:16:28] <judd> Package php-mail (php, optional) in stretch/amd64: Class that provides multiple interfaces for sending emails. Version: 1.3.0-1; Size: 24.7k; Installed: 125k; Homepage: replaced-url
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2637 [19:16:54] <alekz> greycat: will apt get apt-get options? I just started ussing apt after upgrading to Stretch
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2639 [19:17:21] <greycat> apt uses some but not all of the apt-get options. If you're writing a script, you are better off using apt-get. Not apt. The man page even says so.
2640 [19:17:23] <apt> greycat: I think you lost me on that one
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2645 [19:18:35] <Penta> Greetings. I was downloading a file with wget and the connection got lost at 93%. How can I make the download continue?
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2650 [19:19:32] <greycat> wget --continue
2651 [19:20:13] <Penta> greycat should I abort the current process first?
2652 [19:20:15] <alekz> thanks, I'll got with apt-get, then
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2654 [19:20:33] <greycat> Penta: probably
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2662 [19:23:57] <Penta> greycat seems to work, thanks!
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2668 [19:25:39] <transient> ha, as few such things i know, that is one i (think)....and actually often would put in .bashrc: alias wget='wget -c'
2669 [19:26:20] <transient> ..something like that.. cant remember where i first saw, but having read what it did once , sounded sensible and think ive kept it ..well,buncha places every since tleast,presumably helping cover up some potential isues
2670 [19:26:35] <greycat> I don't know whether that's safe. You could ask #wget.
2671 [19:26:52] <transient> oh. there's a #wget !? wow.. cool.. :)
2672 [19:27:09] <transient> ow, not regd.. imma join later then..
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2676 [19:28:09] <transient> While taht works, pretty sure I've tried repeatedly some kinda similar thing..like: alias 'asrch'='apt-cache search '
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2678 [19:28:38] <greycat> That's not controversial at all. You're not changing the default operations of a command.
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2680 [19:28:43] <transient> ...but, uh iiirc it would sun that 'apt-cache search' seperately, so if I do 'asrch SomeThing' that wouldnt work
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2682 [19:29:01] <greycat> The asrch alias would work.
2683 [19:29:07] <transient> oh,uhhh
2684 [19:29:19] <transient> sorry, may be I confused with.... git clone , then.. sec...
2685 [19:29:33] <transient> "git clone replaced-url
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2688 [19:29:53] <transient> and expecting to just add the name of user/repo there... hm, atleast quite sure that never worked and Ive tried repeatedly..
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2690 [19:30:38] <greycat> Shell aliases are pure text macro expansions. If you write an alias "a" that expands to "foo bar", then run "a quark", it will execute "foo bar quark"
2691 [19:30:42] <transient> full correct command that would work would be replaced-url
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2694 [19:31:09] <greycat> Sounds like you want a function instead of a macro. Functions let you run any arbitrary code.
2695 [19:31:20] <transient> hm.. sounds simple yet im not sure i understand still.. u meaan that git clone.. alias part should work ...?
2696 [19:31:41] <greycat> What command do you wish to *type*, and what command do you wish it to *run* as a result?
2697 [19:31:48] <transient> oh.. hm. hard? ( i mean, take long to read up on to properly figure)
2698 [19:32:28] <transient> make an alias to shorten down the typing whhen cloning git repos. basically wanting to just add user/repoName. having "git clone replaced-url
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2703 [19:33:05] <greycat> Pretend I don't know github. What do you want to type, and what command do you wish it to execute?
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2705 [19:33:36] <transient> I'd wanna execute #>gcl niceuser/coolRepo
2706 [19:33:56] <transient> and have that execute "git clone replaced-url
2707 [19:34:17] <greycat> gcl() { git clone replaced-url
2708 [19:34:34] <greycat> assuming your ( was supposed to be /
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2710 [19:35:15] <transient> hm? :o ..hmm.. would that whole thing me within these signs: ' when doing like alias gcl='in here?' ? ..like that?
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2712 [19:35:22] <transient> yes, sorry..was wondering if to correc that.s
2713 [19:35:25] <greycat> No, not an alias.
2714 [19:35:31] <transient> o..
2715 [19:35:40] <greycat> Put the line I wrote into .bashrc exactly as I wrote it. If you have an alias named gcl, comment it out.
2716 [19:35:46] <transient> anywhere else in .bashrc..?
2717 [19:35:52] <transient> hmmm
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2720 [19:36:17] <greycat> Functions are much more powerful than aliases, most of the time.
2721 [19:36:27] <transient> $1.. 1 - does this simply represent first user-input...so if I wanted to have two, I could splice various parts together and use a $2 there..or is that far off..?
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2723 [19:36:54] <greycat> Conceptually correct. What did you intend to use as the second argument?
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2729 [19:38:19] <transient> gcl() <- shouldnt there be anything in there, or would that only be if passing already known static-named variables (possibly holding data)..if ever? if used as such at all..if too complicated and far off what i was thinkin off then nvm...just thought remembered similar from other kinda coding..hm
2730 [19:38:47] <greycat> gcl() is how you begin a definition of a function named "gcl" in bash/sh.
2731 [19:38:54] <transient> oh, uhh... actually can't remember right now, but thought of things like this numerous times actually, how it could have eased things alot and saved me a ton of typing, heh :)
2732 [19:39:26] <transient> (sry; uh..kinda.."slow/dumb" atm i guess..also significant insomnia... or i wuold likely have thought of something (if nothuing else just to ask:P))
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2734 [19:39:41] <transient> k
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2736 [19:40:09] <transient> will just use that empty for now then, and $1 $2 implying expected input ..
2737 [19:40:46] <greycat> You do NOT put anything inside the parens. It's not like C.
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2739 [19:41:04] <greycat> The () is just a syntactic indicator that you are making a function. It's not an argument list.
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2741 [19:41:18] <transient> if $1 and $2 are set and possiblu expected, and only $1 is given would it behave as if $2 was empty/not there then..?
2742 [19:41:27] <transient> k
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2745 [19:41:34] <greycat> If you only give 1 argument, then $2 will expand as an empty string.
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2749 [19:42:26] <transient> k. thanks-again!... I'lll gget to trying this right away actually:d (get it into a few .bashrc's asap atleast....b4 i forget it for too long again or something! will surely save me a Lot of typing! :))
2750 [19:43:39] <transient> was told about this here....i dunno; months, year ago? cant rememebr..maybe you even..!:P ..stupidly didn't note down, or that I found back...or something.. thought about that many times since :o)
2751 [19:44:09] <transient> that trick using a function I mean. cool thing=))
2752 [19:44:10] <greycat> You may also want to check out replaced-url
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2757 [19:46:27] <transient> yeah.. thanks! ..i've actually forked a ton of extensive guides like that, I thinkk, not having seen that one yet.. noting down as well. Thks =D (hopefully Ill get motivation to read thru, and stick at that some time soon..and bhopefully also taking it in use..or afraid id forget easily again (es. if reading over fast, much boring/hard-to-understand at the time... much easier to rememebr when putting it to use,far more when getting
2758 [19:46:28] <transient> something out of it (motivated to i mean) =)
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2767 [19:50:39] <transient> could I do this same thing with long commands and parameters to scripts.. simply put $1, $2, $3 etc where I'd normally type in varying parameters.. so I can basically makea shortcut cutting down all that typing..just a sortof alias ?...would think so.. this seems useful,if works as i hope/think.. :D cool..will hopefully b playin more with this very shortly then:))
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2769 [19:50:52] <greycat> You want "$@"
2770 [19:51:02] <transient> why, where
2771 [19:51:11] <greycat> See replaced-url
2772 [19:51:16] <transient> or is that wildcard, or accepting any number?
2773 [19:51:19] <transient> thanks
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2775 [19:52:11] <Photon> I'm reading the tutorial on using libpam-chroot to chroot jail a user (replaced-url
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2778 [19:53:02] <transient> try look for the sudoers file ...
2779 [19:53:12] <transient> ..possibly can just do "visudo" (may needa download".. hmm
2780 [19:53:33] <transient> sorry not sure if really realted at all, I don't know what that ldap stuff is/means, actually..:/
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2783 [19:53:54] <transient> ldap=pam.. whatever that is:s
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2785 [19:54:54] <Photon> ?
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2787 [19:55:39] <transient> sorry think i got confused.. ovrerly tired. I'm a n00b; afraid i was quite off/wrong-nevermind & sorry again :d =)
2788 [19:55:42] <brw> Photon: If that file is not present, you may not have OpenSSH installed.
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2791 [19:56:03] <Photon> I was just told ssh and sshd are interchangeable, is this true?
2792 [19:56:04] <brw> see if you have the openssh-server installed
2793 [19:56:10] <brw> sshd is the server
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2795 [19:56:23] <transient> D often represents "daemon" is what ive been thinking (like a constinously running process.. but unsure)
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2797 [19:56:34] <Photon> Alright
2798 [19:56:46] <Photon> So I'm modifiying the server's ssh client??
2799 [19:56:47] <greycat> If you mean *service names*, Debian creates sshd as an alias for the ssh service, so you can do "systemctl status sshd" or "systemctl status ssh".
2800 [19:56:58] <greycat> If you mean something else, say what you mean.
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2803 [19:57:32] <brw> Well, if I am reading this right Photon, you are trying to move authentication for inbound SSH connections from PAM to ldap
2804 [19:57:41] <Photon> So the ssh file is different than sshd. I'm able to ssh in, so how do I know what I have? which returned nothing.
2805 [19:57:58] <brw> If you don't have the openssh-server installed (which I don't think installs by default all the time), you won't be able to get to the box anyway :)
2806 [19:58:02] <greycat> If you mean /etc/pam.d/sshd then it's that filename only.
2807 [19:58:22] <brw> what ssh server are you running?
2808 [19:58:22] <Photon> So I need to start using openssh-server?
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2810 [19:58:30] <Photon> I don't know (new t this, sorry)
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2813 [19:58:41] <brw> do you have a file /usr/sbin/sshd?
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2815 [19:58:55] <greycat> openssh-server is the PACKAGE name of the Debian package that contains sshd
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2817 [19:58:59] <Nothing4You> is there a way i can remount and remove an option?
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2819 [19:59:04] <greycat> ssh is the SERVICE name
2820 [19:59:10] <greycat> /etc/pam.d/sshd is the PAM FILE NAME
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2822 [19:59:22] <brw> Nothing4You: yes, mount -o remount
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2824 [19:59:25] <greycat> Nothing4You: mount -o remount,foo
2825 [19:59:27] <brw> then the option you want to
2826 [19:59:30] <brw> there ya go
2827 [19:59:30] <Photon> I don't have a /usr/sbin/sshd
2828 [19:59:36] <Nothing4You> i want to remove it, not add it
2829 [19:59:45] <Nothing4You> like mount -o remount,-foo
2830 [19:59:48] <brw> ok
2831 [19:59:49] <brw> do this
2832 [19:59:49] <greycat> Nothing4You: then you need to specify a negative option that undoes the other one
2833 [20:00:02] <greycat> What option did you use that you want to undo?
2834 [20:00:06] <Nothing4You> usrquota
2835 [20:00:09] <brw> Photon: netstat -tupan | grep :22
2836 [20:00:10] <brw> as root
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2838 [20:00:13] <Nothing4You> i guess it's noquota then
2839 [20:00:14] <petn-randall> Nothing4You: If you want to remove an option, 'mount -o remount,no<option>' is usually the way to go. Not sure if all options have counterparts, though.
2840 [20:00:26] <brw> tell me what daemon is listening on 0.0.0.0:22
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2842 [20:00:32] <petn-randall> Nothing4You: for example atime <-> noatime.
2843 [20:00:33] <Photon> sshd
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2845 [20:00:45] <brw> ok, do "ps auwx | grep sshd"
2846 [20:00:52] * greycat waits for the part where we learn Photon isn't even running Debian
2847 [20:00:54] <Nothing4You> yeah, noquota removed it
2848 [20:00:55] <Nothing4You> thanks
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2850 [20:01:01] <brw> greycat: hah
2851 [20:01:02] <Photon> lol
2852 [20:01:16] <Photon> sshd..
2853 [20:01:21] <brw> Photon: You should see a path to one running as root. Something like /sbin/sshd or /usr/sbin/sshd
2854 [20:01:29] <Photon> Yes
2855 [20:01:37] <CarlFK> "Please install the following tools: pkg-config, bison, flex, git and the following libraries: GLib (libglib2.0-dev or glib2-devel) and Orc (liborc-0.4-dev or orc-devel) " output from replaced-url
2856 [20:01:39] <brw> let me ask a dumb question. Did you remove openssh-server at some point while you were SSH'd into the box?
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2858 [20:01:51] <Photon> I didn't
2859 [20:01:52] <greycat> brw: keep pulling those teeth, maybe one day you'll get the answer out
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2862 [20:01:58] <Photon> ..
2863 [20:02:05] <greycat> Photon: WHAT IS THE OUTPUT of ps auxw | grep sshd
2864 [20:02:08] <transient> try just service ssh start or service sshd start
2865 [20:02:10] <CarlFK> I did :p... any hints as to what might be missing? I don't mind installing extra stuff
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2868 [20:02:34] <Photon> About 10 processes, one /usr/sbin/sshd -D
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2870 [20:02:55] <brw> and if you do ls -la /usr/sbin/sshd
2871 [20:02:57] <brw> what do you get
2872 [20:03:05] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Hard to say, you haven't stated what the problem is yet.
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2874 [20:03:06] <petn-randall> !ask
2875 [20:03:06] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
2876 [20:03:43] <CarlFK> petn-randall: script says I need to install build-dep like things, I do, and it still complains.
2877 [20:03:51] <Photon> A file, /usr/sbin/sshd
2878 [20:03:56] <Photon> Sorry
2879 [20:03:59] <Photon> So I have sshd
2880 [20:04:02] <greycat> Photon: try: dpkg -S /usr/sbin/sshd
2881 [20:04:04] <brw> ok
2882 [20:04:05] <brw> yep
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2884 [20:04:17] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Can you show us the command + output on replaced-url
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2886 [20:04:22] <Photon> Yup openssh-server
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2888 [20:04:29] <Photon> Sorry :/
2889 [20:04:30] <greycat> So openssh-server *is* installed.
2890 [20:04:33] <Photon> Yes
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2893 [20:04:46] <brw> and the file /etc/pam.d/sshd should be included
2894 [20:04:59] <Photon> That file does exist
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2896 [20:05:07] <petn-randall> …
2897 [20:05:27] <Photon> @me petn-randall?
2898 [20:05:27] <brw> ok, so I think that's the one you probably need to edit
2899 [20:05:53] <Photon> Alright
2900 [20:06:05] <Photon> Thank you
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2904 [20:10:13] <zerocool> as a sanity check, if i have jessie and added backports to my sources, it will only pull jessie packages when i specify, right?
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2907 [20:10:50] <zerocool> sorry it will only pull backport* packages if i specify -t jessie-backports
2908 [20:10:51] <zerocool> not always
2909 [20:10:54] <greycat> If you did it correctly, yes.
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2911 [20:11:16] <CarlFK> petn-randall: of course when I try to collect all the "flex is already the newest version..." I get "Setting up flex (2.6.1-1.3)" and now the build all the things script is happy. soo thanks!
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2919 [20:13:31] <petn-randall> CarlFK: Seems as though you didn't the installation finish. But glad I could help! You're welcome!
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2943 [20:25:12] <B0rk_Meister666> Hi folks. I bought a new toy (Alfa AWUS036ACH) and it has a RTL8812AU chipset. I see that Kali already has a package for that driver. Debian doesn't... as far as I can tell. Two part question: 1) Is there a package with the driver already prebuilt served on a repository somehwere? 2) Will I have to do ths one solo, and follow the directions posted here replaced-url
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2955 [20:28:53] <bnielsen> Hi, I have a custom repo and I placed some files in a subdirectory of the binary path. The Packages.gz lists the files okay but apt-get and apt-cache don't see the files in a subdirectory.
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2957 [20:29:21] <bnielsen> Is it even possible to have packages in a subdirectory, or did I maybe format my apt-get source list file wrong?
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2960 [20:30:21] <bnielsen> In my list file I have this...
2961 [20:30:24] <bnielsen> deb replaced-url
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2966 [20:31:37] <bnielsen> And in my repo I have a path like this...
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2968 [20:31:44] <bnielsen> Filename: dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/updates/xserver-xorg-video-fbdev_1%3a0.4.4-1+rpi2_armhf.deb
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2973 [20:32:24] <bnielsen> I have the binary path "binary-armhf/" followed with a subdirectory "updates/"
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2976 [20:33:20] <bnielsen> Any packages in dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/ are seen by apt-get / apt-cache.
2977 [20:33:22] <BlackFerdyPT> hello, again
2978 [20:33:29] <BlackFerdyPT> greycat, the following two messages are for you and jordanm , to explain what was happening to me, in case you are curious and want to know it
2979 [20:33:38] <bnielsen> But anything in dists/jessie/stable/binary-armhf/updates/ are not seen even though they are listed in Packages.gz.
2980 [20:33:46] <BlackFerdyPT> jordanm, the following two messages are for you and greycat , to explain what was happening to me, in case you are curious and want to know it
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2982 [20:34:02] <BlackFerdyPT> (1/2) The "copyright symbol" (replaced-url
2983 [20:34:02] <BlackFerdyPT> message wanting to "take advantage" of a high resolution at boot, and changing the output message to include that symbol when a high resolution is enabled.
2984 [20:34:02] <nkuttler> BlackFerdyPT: if it's private, take it private
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2988 [20:35:00] <BlackFerdyPT> nkuttler, not really, as they are answers to public questions I made in here (and that might be of interest also to someone else)
2989 [20:35:13] <BlackFerdyPT> (2/2) There are two ways of disabling the fsck on boot: either adding "fsck.mode=skip" parameter in GRUB, or addind the "fastboot" one instead.
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2991 [20:35:35] <BlackFerdyPT> (that's it. what I wanted to report back / or say more, in here)
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2994 [20:37:02] <BlackFerdyPT> bye everyone, and thank you very much again for your help
2995 [20:37:25] <mxh-> so i want do do alias apt='sudo apt'. is this, for some reason, dumb?
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2998 [20:37:43] <greycat> there are lots of apt commands you can run without being root
2999 [20:37:58] <greycat> your alias would force sudo in all cases, including searching
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3001 [20:38:06] <mxh-> sure but i search with apt-cache or apt-file
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3003 [20:38:12] <mxh-> and that's the only other one i use
3004 [20:38:22] <mxh-> just wondering from a security standpoint
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3007 [20:39:26] <chicognu> mxh-, security is really relative. o you machine is a server or is a machine others person use ?
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3011 [20:40:30] <mxh-> chicognu: it's my local box, nothing open to outside world
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3014 [20:41:39] <chicognu> mxh-, my vpn as exemple, only auth with user name and password, no cert... what possible can goes wrong ? i'm the only user of it... if i use it in an open network, wich most os time i don't, can happen a middle in the mid atack ? sure it can, but it is so unlikely to happen....
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3017 [20:43:02] <chicognu> mxh-, i don't see a problem with that you using sudo into a aliase to apt. there are scenarios where it can be exploited ? sure it exist... but is unlikely to happen
3018 [20:43:35] <greycat> It's interactive use only. There's no "exploit", just waste.
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3020 [20:43:50] <greycat> Running sudo when it's not needed, generating more log entries, etc.
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3022 [20:44:09] <mxh-> greycat: no waste in my case besides the occasional apt show i suppose :)
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3028 [20:46:33] <chicognu> mxh-, here, some one refusing to help me because i was logged as root... but lets think about it: i'm the only machine user, live with my grandmom who has 89 yo... don't have secrets in my computer, just history from red tub... what could happen ? my grandmom log as root see my browser history and discovery i watch porn
3029 [20:46:34] <chicognu> lol
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3032 [20:47:49] <transient> any point doing "apt-get update" and/or "updatedb" before "apt-get check" or would it know already, instantly without any further refreshing/updating as such?
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3034 [20:48:34] <greycat> You should do apt-get update if you haven't done it recently.
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3037 [20:48:54] <greycat> updatedb only affects the locate command, and is run daily by default
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3039 [20:49:13] <transient> k
3040 [20:49:25] <LaLaLand> Hi, does anyone here know the difference between "Small" and "Tiny" CDs in replaced-url
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3043 [20:50:18] <transient> o daily tho... is that normal? I think it isn'tinstalled by default. and also on open-/free-bsd I think , it warns when running it as root.. unsure but presumably as non-privileged users may get in reach of that index of files it makes (I guess it does anyway) .. that not a worry here u think..?
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3045 [20:50:44] <transient> size difference?
3046 [20:50:44] <greycat> mlocate is Priority: standard
3047 [20:51:02] <transient> oh really.. huh. k.. :s
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3063 [20:56:46] <domovoy> about resolv.conf: if i use 'search example.com' (no change to ndots, so 1), can i be sure that a lookup for "foo.bar" will firts try "foo.bar." AND then "foo.bar.example.com." ?
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3068 [20:59:56] <domovoy> ping and firefox seems to do that, but host doesn't... haven't tried any other tool (apart from dig, which is a special case), can i reasonably assume that host is a special case and that other programs (ssh, ftp, whatever) will work like ping?
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3072 [21:00:16] <greycat> domovoy: a lookup of foo.bar will be done, and if that fails, that's it. It will NOT look up foo.bar.example.com
3073 [21:00:55] <greycat> ... oh. Different results from differnet tools? FUCK this.
3074 [21:01:03] <greycat> All bets are off.
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3078 [21:01:57] <greycat> The result from "host" seems to match what I read in "man resolv.conf". The result from ping does not. Have fun with whatever project this is.
3079 [21:02:07] <domovoy> greycat> so... should i the set ndots to make sure "example.com" will be tried? seems like overkill for just a few domains
3080 [21:02:24] <greycat> I do not know. It is not documented in a way that matches the outcome.
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3083 [21:03:13] <domovoy> hmmm, annoying
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3086 [21:03:33] <greycat> I tested with host and it matched the man page so I thought "OK, here is the answer", and typed the answer, and then saw that you had tested with ping and got a totally different result.
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3091 [21:04:27] <domovoy> the most annoying is, i can't seem to find any clear documentation about how domain names resolution work, especially the search order
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3094 [21:04:43] <Henry151> howdy #debian
3095 [21:05:04] <Henry151> I'm trying to install debian right now on a panasonic toughbook CF-30
3096 [21:05:19] <Henry151> I'm running the graphical installer from a netinst image on a USB stick
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3098 [21:05:44] <Henry151> I'm trying to install it onto sda which is a 500GB SSD I just installed in the device
3099 [21:06:32] <Henry151> It is on the page where it says "writing over the disk with random data to prevent metadata leaks" or something to that effect
3100 [21:07:02] <Henry151> and it seems to be taking a very very long while; it's been there for probably 20 minutes and is only about 5% done. Any idea why this could be?
3101 [21:07:20] <BluesKaj> Henry151, is there a text install option? If so use that , it's more stable
3102 [21:07:23] <greycat> domovoy: to add to the confusion, there is also "getent hosts foo.bar" which appears to ignore ndots and perform the concatenation
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3104 [21:07:57] <vutral> hm
3105 [21:07:58] <n4dir> Henry151: i think it will take a very long time. You sure you need to overwrite ?
3106 [21:08:04] <Henry151> greycat: there was a text install option; I can cancel the current attempt and start over that way, but I figured I'd check first and see if this step is normal to take a long time
3107 [21:08:12] <n4dir> very long means: i wouldn't even worry it if takes the whole night.
3108 [21:08:20] <Henry151> n4dir: I didn't see the chance to skip the step
3109 [21:08:27] <domovoy> my understanding of man resolv.conf was "if there is less than ndots, try search first, then root. Else try root, then search" but it doesn't seem to be the case for every tool...
3110 [21:08:47] <greycat> domovoy: none of the tools appear to obey the man page except host(1)
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3112 [21:08:54] <transient> i think ssd disk has a limited usage before it dies off too and bad with unneccessary read/writes on those disks and possibly not good to use for caching or such ( i think i read somewhere...)
3113 [21:08:57] <Henry151> I do have some random data on the disk; I didn't format it because I figured the installer would be formatting it. I am trying to do whole-disk encryption
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3116 [21:09:16] <Henry151> random data i mean some files
3117 [21:10:08] <Henry151> so maybe I'll restart and run the installer in text mode. Is a "random data overwrite" necessary to do whole-disk encryption? I didn't see the opportunity to skip that step
3118 [21:10:35] <transient> if nothing important/special and risk and potential for forensic analysis and recovery attempt , maybe better get secure-delete and srm (rather than rm , to delete i mean-for secure(r) wipe) on the individual files
3119 [21:10:36] <domovoy> greycat> so, in the end, don't rely on resolv.conf, and always use fqdn, that's a pity. I'd have thought thing would be kind of "standardised" since the time people lookup hostnames
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3121 [21:10:43] <Henry151> The laptop in question is not within arms reach, so I'm trying to gather some ideas here and then go back in and try it all out
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3124 [21:11:12] <petn-randall> Henry151: AFAIR you can't skip that step in the installer. But you can partition and create LUKS on the disk with a live system and install on that.
3125 [21:11:28] <Henry151> aha
3126 [21:11:32] <Henry151> I see
3127 [21:11:38] <n4dir> I do know that to skip it was possible if i only encrypted, but didn't use lvm or such. Henry151 ( i don't know if you can encrypt in a less automated way if using lvm, but i guess so). Henry151
3128 [21:12:30] <petn-randall> Henry151: Unless it's a SSD it's generally considered a good idea to overwrite the partition with random data before putting a LUKS container on it.
3129 [21:12:37] <n4dir> it sure was a pain to click back and forth, until i figured out how to do it
3130 [21:12:41] <Henry151> petn-randall: it is an SSD
3131 [21:13:13] <petn-randall> Henry151: In that case just boot the live system and partition it by hand (that's what I did).
3132 [21:13:41] <Henry151> hm. I don't have a live boot iso, only the netinst on hand
3133 [21:14:04] <Henry151> if I skip the encryption entirely, can I bypass this step?
3134 [21:14:56] <n4dir> Henry151: do you use lvm?
3135 [21:15:16] <Henry151> this would be first time doing whole-disk encryption; I'm not sure what lvm means
3136 [21:15:17] <n4dir> i wrote down notes how i did it, but without lvm.
3137 [21:15:18] <transient> i dno, but is filesystem the same/correct already?
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3140 [21:15:37] <n4dir> Henry151: give me a sec, though the notes might be out of date
3141 [21:15:59] <n4dir> but yes, if you don't encrpyt, then no overwrite of data
3142 [21:16:03] <Henry151> I wanted to reformat the drive with the installer, so that I wouldn't have to make any decisions about how to format it, and the installer would do it nicely for me
3143 [21:16:13] <Henry151> n4dir: I might just skip the encryption
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3145 [21:16:48] <n4dir> Henry151: those are my notes: replaced-url
3146 [21:17:01] <Henry151> is it possible to encrypt the disk later on? Or for whole-disk encryption, do you need to set up the encrypted volume before putting the data on it?
3147 [21:17:12] <Henry151> n4dir: thank you
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3149 [21:18:06] <n4dir> I doubt you can encrypt root (the OS, whatever) later. If you got free space, you can encrypt /home later (you will need to edit fstab for such). From the top of my head, don't take my word for it
3150 [21:19:01] <Henry151> thanks
3151 [21:19:05] <transient> try check out the tools SiriKali and /or ZuluCrypt and ZuluMount, would think can do that, and more..ive found useful for alot so far, can use different encryption (liks,dm,veraa, truec.. )
3152 [21:19:28] <Henry151> thanks transient
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3154 [21:19:44] <Henry151> I'm going to go inside and check to see how the progress is going :D be back later
3155 [21:20:04] <n4dir> Henry151: if you only care for a bit of data, you could also use something like encfs, no need to encrypt all of /home with cryptsetup
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3165 [21:24:20] <nvz> I cannot for the life of me remember or figure out what the file is that I edited to change the nodm user when started via systemd. the docs all point to starting it manually which is really stupid because then it's just xinit or startx
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3171 [21:26:55] <nvz> the important stuff never seems to stay in my history
3172 [21:27:21] <moony> i know the feeling
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3178 [21:29:39] <nvz> the worst part is it was only like two days ago I found the file and changed it and I can't remember.
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3180 [21:30:21] <Cl0udN9ne> hello friends
3181 [21:30:42] <nvz> problem is I was up 7 days until the power cut out just about an hour ago.. so apparently when that happens my history gets lost
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3183 [21:30:45] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get update and apt-get upgrade,im getting the following error
3184 [21:30:47] <Cl0udN9ne> SSL: certificate subject name (replaced-url
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3192 [21:34:58] <petn-randall> !bat
3193 [21:34:58] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3198 [21:35:09] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: Can you provide *all* of the above?
3199 [21:35:16] <Cl0udN9ne> sure
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3208 [21:39:20] <moony> replaced-url
3209 [21:39:27] <nvz> hmm, it was /etc/default/nodm :-/
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3212 [21:42:05] <petn-randall> moony: However, you can install potato on a computer. :)
3213 [21:42:29] <Cl0udN9ne> directly on the ic :P
3214 [21:42:45] <Cl0udN9ne> potato power...
3215 [21:42:57] <petn-randall> !potato
3216 [21:42:57] <dpkg> Potato is the codename for Debian GNU/Linux 2.2, released August 14th, 2000. It is no longer supported. Ask me about <potato->woody> for upgrade information. See also <potato sources.list>. replaced-url
3217 [21:43:12] <moony> Heh.
3218 [21:43:18] <moony> Never forget mr. potatohead
3219 [21:43:21] <Cl0udN9ne> lol
3220 [21:43:31] <moony> Cl0udN9ne, stalker
3221 [21:43:38] <Cl0udN9ne> uhh
3222 [21:43:46] <Cl0udN9ne> im on 20 channels
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3224 [21:44:18] <petn-randall> moony, Cl0udN9ne, get a room you two! Preferably #debian-offtopic.
3225 [21:44:31] <Cl0udN9ne> :P
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3238 [21:54:20] <imperius> Can someone suggest me some light linux distro for pc with 512 mb ram,it should be for pentesting..
3239 [21:54:40] <greycat> Debian, without a desktop environment.
3240 [21:55:17] <n4dir> imperius: debian, i yet have to see a distro which uses less ressources (though quite some claim to be "small").
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3242 [21:55:45] <greycat> Did you really expect a different answer in #debian?
3243 [21:55:54] <imperius> haha no :S
3244 [21:56:00] <ranix> !z24
3245 [21:56:31] <ranix> apt: test
3246 [21:56:32] <apt> methinks test is not funny
3247 [21:56:41] <sypher> imperius: You say "pentesting." What are you actually going to be doing?
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3249 [21:58:25] <abrotman> imperius: try linux, this channel is for Debian support. We can suggest you try Debian, but there may be other distros better suited for that task, ask linux
3250 [21:58:32] <n4dir> Well: i always searched for small linux distros, as i got many machines with really bad ressources (from the garbage, from friends, etc). In the end i always sticked to debian (and if i would remember a better solution, i sure would tell it)
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3253 [22:00:17] <apollo13> archlinux would probably also work well
3254 [22:00:27] <apollo13> realistically speaking everything without a gui would work well
3255 [22:00:59] <n4dir> window manager should work too, 512 MB ain't that bad
3256 [22:01:08] <n4dir> or even xfce4
3257 [22:01:12] <guest2338> Transission on Debian. I want to upload (torrent) a linux iso. Only 2 trackers show, only one works. How do I add legit public trackers (add "announce url")?
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3260 [22:01:53] <greycat> The trackers are part of the .torrent file that was created when the file was originally seeded.
3261 [22:02:01] <imperius> arch stops support for 32 bit system,so that is not option
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3263 [22:02:52] <guest2338> greycat: So that means those are the only tracker that it can be "announced" to?
3264 [22:03:18] <Photon> So I just accidentally deleted a directory with a bunch of files in it that I need to restore. I know the pid of the process that's keeping the files open. Using grep on lsof doesn't print anything useful when I search for the directory name or the pid. What can I do to restore my files?
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3268 [22:06:48] <abrotman> imperius: again, ask ##linux
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3270 [22:07:15] <guest2338> Bonus question: Is udp://tracker.openbittorrrent.com:80 no longer around? Keep getting "error Connection Failed" messages.
3271 [22:07:33] <jelly> Photon, run "lsof -np pidhere" with the same user as the process, or root. If that does not point to more clues, inspect the contents of every "symlink" in /proc/pidhere/fd/ manually and cat each into a new file.
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3279 [22:08:26] <jelly> guest2338, torrent trackers, especially open ones, come and go. This isn't a Debian specific issue, so this is not the right channel to ask.
3280 [22:08:51] <jelly> unless debian's torrents point there. Then it's a VERY debian issue.
3281 [22:08:52] <nvz> does anyone know of a simple command I can add to an xsession file that will draw a jpg/png or such on the root window? all the ones I'm turning up are GUI frontends with no command line options to be started automatically
3282 [22:09:05] <Photon> Thank you jelly
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3287 [22:09:49] <n4dir> nvz: feh ? Though i assume it depends which window-manager you use?
3288 [22:10:02] <guest2338> jelly: Okay. Tried #transmission first, still no reply.
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3290 [22:10:47] <jelly> as greycat says, basically the only way to add more trackers is to create a new torrent
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3292 [22:11:05] <jelly> hope for DHT to pick up more peers :-)
3293 [22:11:05] <jolt> n4dir: Like for a background? I use feh as well
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3297 [22:11:48] <n4dir> jolt: yes, for the background image (wallpaper, or however it is called). iirc fluxbox uses it (or can use it ... )
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3300 [22:11:50] <guest2338> jelly: Okay, thanks.
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3302 [22:11:59] <ikla> what is the max size for a bios boot efi partition?
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3305 [22:12:25] <apollo13> ikla: why :)
3306 [22:12:39] <ikla> what is the limit?
3307 [22:12:40] <apollo13> but if efi doesn't limit it the fat fs type might limit it
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3309 [22:12:53] <apollo13> yes, I do not see how that would be relevant
3310 [22:13:00] <ikla> what I figured
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3312 [22:13:06] <ikla> what is the std size everyone goes with?
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3314 [22:13:13] <sypher> ikla: Recommendation is 512MiB.
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3316 [22:13:25] <sypher> ikla: The minimum and maximum sizes are determined by the particular filesystem used.
3317 [22:13:26] <ikla> yeah
3318 [22:13:28] <jelly> ikla, windows 7-10 use 100MiB
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3320 [22:13:47] <jelly> and fat32 / vfat can be quite large.
3321 [22:13:47] <nvz> n4dir: yes if there isn't something to actually set the root window this way anymore, then my wm is capable of just using an image viewer, sawfish has very powerful window matching features
3322 [22:13:48] <greycat> My PC came with one that's 356 MB when mounted.
3323 [22:13:55] <ikla> dunno have a 512MB partition and I get boot failed from my system
3324 [22:14:09] <sypher> ikla: Please describe your actual issue.
3325 [22:14:10] <greycat> Why do you think the size is related to this issue?
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3327 [22:14:17] <apollo13> ikla: well what does it show, the size has nothing to do with it
3328 [22:14:25] <n4dir> nvz: give feh a try
3329 [22:14:27] <ikla> it's vfat and you can see the grubx64.efi
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3334 [22:15:52] <OtakuSenpai> !bat
3335 [22:15:53] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3336 [22:16:02] <Photon> jelly: how would I inspet the contents of each file in /proc/pid/fd ?
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3338 [22:16:30] <greycat> Photon: by copying them into files and then reading the files?
3339 [22:16:43] <greycat> Or maybe you can read the symlinks directly, I dunno.
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3341 [22:16:55] <ikla> no ideas?
3342 [22:17:00] <Photon> Reading them with what? if I use cat on the symlinks I get nothing or an error
3343 [22:17:18] <sypher> ikla: You've given us no real information.
3344 [22:17:31] <jelly> Photon, if cat doesn't work you're already screwed. Are you root?
3345 [22:17:35] <ikla> there is not much detail
3346 [22:17:37] <Photon> Yes
3347 [22:17:53] <ikla> system says boot failed when you select the efi partition to boot
3348 [22:17:53] <sypher> ikla: There's a lot more than you're providing.
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3350 [22:18:07] <ikla> it can see the device
3351 [22:18:08] <jelly> and yes I meant with cat or less or something similar.
3352 [22:18:21] <ikla> bios_boot part has EFI on a vfat fs
3353 [22:18:28] <Photon> Doesn't less make long output into 'pages'?
3354 [22:18:34] <ikla> it's trying to boot grubx64.efi
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3357 [22:19:21] <OtakuSenpai> petn-randall: do i hav to give each and every packages' apt-cache policy?
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3363 [22:23:08] <nvz> n4dir: seems feh --bg-scale will do the trick,thanks. I'd installed this program a few weeks ago and never tried it
3364 [22:23:35] <n4dir> nvz: cool. good luck (there is a very similar solution, but i can't remember)
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3384 [22:35:22] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: not every package, just the ones that you're having trouble installing
3385 [22:35:33] <OtakuSenpai> yes
3386 [22:35:36] <OtakuSenpai> done tht
3387 [22:35:46] <OtakuSenpai> ill paste it all in one file
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3392 [22:37:18] <OtakuSenpai> !bat
3393 [22:37:18] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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3403 [22:40:11] <OtakuSenpai> replaced-url
3404 [22:40:59] <OtakuSenpai> some of the packages were getting installed...i had to run apt-get upgrade again bcoz i closed the window
3405 [22:41:08] <OtakuSenpai> everything is there....
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3423 [22:49:51] <SpikeHeron> Photon: see man 5 proc under the subsection /proc/[pid]/fd ; in short, it depends upon what type of file the fd is pointing at
3424 [22:50:18] <Photon> Thanks
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3429 [22:54:39] <OtakuSenpai> help
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3459 [23:09:55] <OtakuSenpai> anyone...help me
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3461 [23:11:56] <trbo> hello, i'm trying to create a ext4 filesystem on 24tb volume mounted over FC, but i always get; /dev/sdX is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!
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3465 [23:13:04] <jolt> I normally make fs on partitions, not raw disks
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3469 [23:14:13] <trbo> jolt: yeah sorry, i'm trying to create ext4 on /dev/sda1 which is GPT
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3472 [23:15:53] <jolt> run lsblk and see if that is the disk you actually want to format?
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3474 [23:16:22] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: simple solution is to use http instead of https in your sources.list
3475 [23:16:35] <jolt> trbo: or maybe 24t is too big for 4k blocks on ext4
3476 [23:16:45] <trbo> jolt: replaced-url
3477 [23:16:52] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught: couldnt tht make it less secure?
3478 [23:17:12] <trbo> 4k blocks should be fine since that's branch standard?
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3480 [23:17:52] <jolt> I've never formatted anything that big, so I don't know
3481 [23:18:01] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: not really. Debian uses http by default, the packages are signed. Look at replaced-url
3482 [23:18:19] <trbo> why would it say that it's apparently in use by the system
3483 [23:18:25] <trbo> that's what get's me wondering
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3485 [23:18:51] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught: so some of those packages are not being downloaded bcoz of what? non existing signed certificates?
3486 [23:19:03] <OtakuSenpai> i dont understand...can you explain..
3487 [23:19:29] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: or use replaced-url
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3489 [23:19:41] <jolt> trbo: something fun in dmesg at that time?
3490 [23:19:53] <OtakuSenpai> ok
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3492 [23:19:59] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: I really think you should stick to defaults unless you really understand the changes you are making.
3493 [23:20:00] <trbo> no, not really
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3496 [23:20:14] <OtakuSenpai> can i be sure to include https in replaced-url
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3498 [23:20:30] <trbo> last FC event is cable unplugged, i removed one cable to reduce possible issues
3499 [23:20:32] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught: learning along the way too :D
3500 [23:20:37] <greycat> No. It is http.
3501 [23:20:39] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: read the instructions on that page
3502 [23:20:50] <OtakuSenpai> ok thnx !
3503 [23:21:22] <debiand> ...tightvnc from debian 4.9kernel to debian 4.9kern - no cut and paste is possible in terminal window of server machine....tried some xstartup file changes but none solved the problem....figured i would ask if autocutsel package install is the best next attempt to gain cut/paste simply in terminal on vncserver
3504 [23:22:28] <jolt> trbo: I wonder if it can have been detected as something else, like raid part or something. Has that disk area been formatted before?
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3506 [23:22:53] <trbo> it's newly built volume in the san, and i created a GPT parition first thing
3507 [23:23:18] <trbo> never had this issue before with san volumes...
3508 [23:23:49] <jolt> what does multipath -ll say?
3509 [23:24:03] <jolt> (I'm not a multipath user though, so I'm basically guessing at this time)
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3511 [23:24:54] <trbo> it finds the sataboy volume
3512 [23:25:21] <trbo> jolt: replaced-url
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3514 [23:25:54] <jolt> I wonder if it's the 'running' part
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3516 [23:26:12] <trbo> hmm, might be, wonder if that's changeable
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3519 [23:30:22] <trbo> jolt: mkfs.xfs: cannot open /dev/sda1: Device or resource busy
3520 [23:30:29] <trbo> different msg with xfs
3521 [23:31:18] <jolt> trbo: maybe you should run strace on mkfs and see if you can figure somehting out?
3522 [23:31:35] <jolt> The only think I can google from this is that mdadm can sometimes think the disks belong to it
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3524 [23:31:58] <trbo> can't find it in mdam, that's what so strange
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3526 [23:32:56] <trbo> mdadm: /dev/sda does not appear to be an md device
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3528 [23:33:17] <jolt> turn of multipathd?
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3530 [23:33:32] <jolt> and seee if that is blocking? Or does the volume dissapear then?
3531 [23:33:35] <trbo> can't, it's bound to root for some reasing...
3532 [23:33:56] <trbo> reason
3533 [23:34:08] <jolt> trbo: replaced-url
3534 [23:34:18] <jolt> last post (#4)
3535 [23:34:42] <jolt> trbo: tl;dr: blacklist the device in the multipath.conf, reboot and proceed
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3538 [23:35:39] <trbo> aha!
3539 [23:35:41] <trbo> rebooting atm :P
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3542 [23:36:44] <trbo> nice find
3543 [23:37:03] <jolt> Well, we'll see if it works :)
3544 [23:37:09] <jolt> I'm very curious now!
3545 [23:37:13] <trbo> fingers crossed
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3548 [23:37:56] <trbo> ehrm
3549 [23:38:07] <jolt> That sounds bad
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3552 [23:38:45] <trbo> hold on, i'm retarded...
3553 [23:38:50] <jolt> :D
3554 [23:38:51] <trbo> added it in the wrong codeblock
3555 [23:39:10] <trbo> been up since 5 this morning, it's 23:38 now
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3557 [23:39:38] <jolt> Same here :D
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3563 [23:44:12] <trbo> AW YEAH JOLT
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3565 [23:44:17] <trbo> we in fucking business
3566 [23:44:22] <jolt> Hoooray!
3567 [23:44:29] <trbo> :D
3568 [23:44:29] <jolt> Go get 'em!
3569 [23:44:31] <trbo> nice find man!!
3570 [23:45:02] <jolt> trbo: glhf :D
3571 [23:45:09] <trbo> tyyy
3572 [23:45:12] <trbo> have good evening
3573 [23:45:14] <trbo> cheers!
3574 [23:45:17] <jolt> You too!
3575 [23:45:58] <jmcnaught> debiand: hey you didn't need to leave #debian-offtopic, we just don't do support in there. If you're still having trouble in half an hour try asking again in here, perhaps with more details or additional stuff you've tried ☺
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3587 [23:54:20] <Again> hey
3588 [23:54:25] <Again> wtf
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3594 [23:58:18] <debiand> oh ok ty no worries - will do
3595 [23:58:28] <debiand> jmcnaught
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