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2 [00:02:30] <petn-randall> badargo: No, *only* rwsr-xr-x for /usr/bin/passwd is safe.
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13 [00:09:15] <wxcafe> hey, anybody here who knows how linux GSM works? I'm having trouble connecting to the 3G/4G network with my laptop but I can send and receive texts just fine...
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16 [00:09:59] <petn-randall> wxcafe: GSM (= 2G) is a different network from 3G/LTE.
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18 [00:10:37] <wxcafe> yeah I know, but network-manager lists all cell networks under "gsm"
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20 [00:10:57] <wxcafe> so I used the same shortcut.
21 [00:11:54] <petn-randall> wxcafe: It's called "mobile broadband" for me, but nvm. What question do you have?
22 [00:12:15] <badargo> hey, every time i boot my debian my computer spends up to a minute displaying this msg: /dev/sda1: clean, bignumberhere/anotherbignumber files, bignumber/anotherbignumber blocks. can i avoid that? is this a bug?
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24 [00:12:54] <nvz> badargo: it takes a minute for that to display or it waits a minute after it displays?
25 [00:13:13] <wxcafe> petn-randall: I mean, internally, if you nmcli con show it'll show up as type: gsm, but anyway ^^
26 [00:13:18] <badargo> it displays then stays like that for 30 seconds nvz
27 [00:13:44] <wxcafe> petn-randall: NetworkManager doesn't want to connect : it timeouts everytime after a while
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29 [00:14:03] <wxcafe> I'm pretty sure this is due to pppd not managing to connect to the remote side
30 [00:14:22] <nvz> badargo: that is the filesystem check, it reads the dump/pass params of /etc/fstab to know which fs to check, but the rootfs I believe may be checked regardless. if its waiting after the message its not the check thats slow, because that message doesnt display until after its complete, so its something else slowing it down
31 [00:14:46] <debianuser5003> oh wow, seems i can't install zfs
32 [00:15:03] <wxcafe> I enabled pppd debug (in /etc/ppp/options) and it looks like the remote won't answer IPCP packets or something?
33 [00:15:24] <nvz> badargo: I don't know enough about systemd yet to be sure, but I know its asynchronus and waits for certain things to complete before others can be done. Its hard to say with only that info what the real problem is
34 [00:15:44] <petn-randall> wxcafe: You'd have to look up how that modem works specifically, and how you have to provide credentials.
35 [00:15:46] <wxcafe> petn-randall: but I don't know enough about how ppp is supposed to work on mobile links and how carriers do mobile auth/network setting distribution to fix that
36 [00:15:53] <nvz> badargo: I do however feel fairly confident in saying its probably not the fsck thats the issue
37 [00:16:12] <wxcafe> petn-randall: I don't have any credentials, the carrier specifically says to leave the credentials blank
38 [00:16:48] <wxcafe> petn-randall: and the modem seems to work fine, it connects to the network, it's just the PPP step that fails (which afaict means L2 works fine, so the modem must be okay)
39 [00:16:52] <petn-randall> wxcafe: How is the modem connected? USB?
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42 [00:17:32] <badargo> nvz: first it would give me realtek firmware issue. i fixed that. then it was the nouveau, i installed bumblebee, now it slows there like that :S
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44 [00:17:37] <petn-randall> wxcafe: Some modems do weird things like automatically log in and just provider naked Ethernet over USB, which you can connect to via DHCP.
45 [00:17:44] <wxcafe> petn-randall: it's internal, it's a M.2 thingy
46 [00:17:48] <petn-randall> s/provider/provide/
47 [00:18:08] <wxcafe> nah this one specifically shows up as a ACM device (/dev/ttyACM0)
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49 [00:18:14] <wxcafe> I just send it AT commands
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52 [00:18:38] <debianuser5003> jelly: nvz teraflops : I tried to install zfs-dkms however it seems i still have some problems.. It says that the ZFS modules are not loaded: replaced-url
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54 [00:18:56] <badargo> my bios kind of doesnt agree with linux, i get that in every distro... and to install linux i even had to upgrade the bios and disable security boot, and cant dream of uefi booting anymore...
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56 [00:19:32] <nvz> badargo: hmm.. that bumblebee sounds like the dirtiest hack I've seen since svgatextmode.. heh. that may very well be your problem
57 [00:20:23] <badargo> linux cant install nvidia for my geforce 920m... it always bugs and i have these nouveau issues
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59 [00:20:51] <badargo> it was always slow like this, but now i dont get error msgs and have nvidia driver "installed" :P
60 [00:21:27] <badargo> if i could count the black screens i had... probably up to 10
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64 [00:22:40] <badargo> next time i will buy a notebook with ubuntu factory installed on it
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66 [00:23:28] <wxcafe> I wonder if I should maybe just call my carrier and ask them for the PPP settings :D
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68 [00:23:47] <wxcafe> I'm pretty sure the rep would be utterly confused.
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70 [00:24:17] <badargo> nvz: is it a bad idea to disable flsk?
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72 [00:25:06] <nvz> badargo: yes especially since when the fs is clean it finishes in about half a second
73 [00:25:42] <nvz> badargo: the fsck isnt the problem or it'd hang before that message, its hanging after, so thats not the issue, its whatever its doing before/after that
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75 [00:26:00] <suffer> like the display manager
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77 [00:26:33] <nvz> badargo: its hard to know when the system is asynchronus because it's not necessarily the next script like it was with sysvinit, it could be a script that started before the fsck or during it, that is not finishing in time for the next thing to happen
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84 [00:28:18] <badargo> its probably my video driver :S
85 [00:29:06] <nvz> badargo: if you could maybe run through /var/log/daemon.log and output the relevant portions to the bootup time onto paste.debian.net we can take a loog and see.. I'm pretty sure systemd logs its start/stop of all tasks there
86 [00:29:10] <badargo> maybe if theres a way to set boot to run with the integrated car and ignore my geforce?
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90 [00:31:05] <badargo> nvz: is there an argument to limit it to the last boot? like grep something?
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93 [00:31:45] <badargo> i guess the date huh
94 [00:32:25] <nvz> badargo: yeah, uptime command will help you figure out what time it booted
95 [00:32:59] <badargo> its 19:32:39 up 23 min, 1 user, load average: 1.10, 1.27, 1.13
96 [00:33:01] <nvz> my machine has been up over 5 days so the log doesn't even go back that far on here.
97 [00:33:38] <badargo> sudo cat /var/log/daemon.log | grep 19:32:39 doesnt work :S
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99 [00:34:07] <tharkun> How can I get the keycode of a "key" ?
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103 [00:36:22] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ sudo cat /var/log/daemon.log | grep 19:32:39 /var/log/daemon.log
104 [00:36:25] <badargo> grep: /var/log/daemon.log: Permission denied
105 [00:36:27] <badargo> not working either, helpppp
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107 [00:36:55] <tharkun> badargo: logs are the realm of root either become root or use sudo
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114 [00:38:43] <badargo> tharkun: its sudo grep 19: /var/log/daemon.log :P
115 [00:38:56] <badargo> my syntax was crapy
116 [00:39:04] <tharkun> !next
117 [00:39:05] <dpkg> Another happy customer leaves the building.
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119 [00:39:44] <badargo> but i dont know how to grep from 19:32 onwards... i grep all stuff in 19 hour
120 [00:40:25] <nvz> badargo: grep "19:3[2-5]" /var/log/daemon.log should do it, it doesn't take more than 3 minutes to boot right?
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124 [00:41:05] <tharkun> badargo: besides your useless use of cat you have to do some man reading man grep hint look for the -E flag. Also less is your friend
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126 [00:41:30] <nvz> badargo: 19:32 is the current time, not the boot time btw
127 [00:41:49] <tharkun> dmesg is also your friend :)
128 [00:42:12] <nvz> badargo: if its 19:32 up 23 min then boot was at 19:09
129 [00:42:18] <badargo> google returned grep "31/Mar/2002:19:3[1-5]" logfile as an example, 1-5 being minutes interval
130 [00:42:49] <badargo> ohhhh u answered already haha noice!
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132 [00:43:41] <nvz> I may write a python program later to automatically do this as I may need to do it at some point myself.
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135 [00:44:37] <badargo> brb, i will try that
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138 [00:45:47] <nvz> I'm not 100% sure the logs from every boot step are even in there, as I said this systemd thing is really new to me, but it seems like it logs start/stop times of its tasks there, so I am guessing it does so at boot too
139 [00:46:41] <nvz> one way or another I plan to hack something to figure this out because I know at some point I'm going to want to debug my boot as well
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159 [00:52:26] <badargo> if i paste here it will go to that paste website?
160 [00:52:49] <skum> I am trying to get my wifi up with apt-get install firmware-b43-installer ... I get unable to locate package.
161 [00:53:17] <jmcnaught> badargo: no, you go to replaced-url
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165 [00:54:43] <skum> How can i make apt-get recognize firmware-b43-installer?
166 [00:54:56] <badargo> ok this is the link, i hope someone can find out whats slowing things up after fsck
167 [00:54:59] <badargo> replaced-url
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169 [00:55:23] <badargo> skum: you have to edit your source list file and att contrib nonfree...
170 [00:55:29] <badargo> add*
171 [00:55:37] <petn-randall> !b43
172 [00:55:38] <dpkg> b43 is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCI/PCIe wireless LAN devices with Broadcom chips. Firmware is required, ask me about <b43-fwcutter> to provide. replaced-url
173 [00:55:50] <petn-randall> !b43-fwcutter
174 [00:55:50] <dpkg> Device firmware required by the <b43> and <b43legacy> drivers is proprietary and unable to be distributed by the Debian Project. The b43-fwcutter utility (packaged in contrib) can extract this firmware from Broadcom's binary drivers. Debian packages to download, extract and install firmware are available; ask me about <contrib> and use «apt-cache search firmware-b43» to list. replaced-url
175 [00:55:56] <jmcnaught> badargo: run "systemd-analyze blame"
176 [00:56:54] <skum> I also ran apt-get install b43-fwcutter.
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178 [00:57:23] <petn-randall> skum: Check the wiki link above, it should have instructions.
179 [00:58:31] <badargo> jmcnaught: did it and got a list of services
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181 [00:59:11] <badargo> 8.335s dev-sda1.device
182 [00:59:22] <badargo> 8.124s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
183 [00:59:29] <badargo> 16 seconds? 0.o
184 [00:59:50] <badargo> 6.464s networking.service
185 [01:00:03] <debianuser5003> Ok let's start from the scratch
186 [01:00:14] <debianuser5003> How can I install ZFS on Debian 9 ?
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189 [01:01:16] <jmcnaught> badargo: next use "journalctl -u something.service" for any unit that takes a long time. read the journalctl man page for all the options it has like --boot=, --since, --until etc.
190 [01:01:23] <skum> what does the error "could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (resource temporarily unavailable)" mean?
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194 [01:02:20] <jmcnaught> skum: is something using dpkg in the background, or is synaptic currently running?
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196 [01:02:41] <skum> jmcnaught: yes synaptic was running. let me try again
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201 [01:03:26] <skum> The website provided tells me to use apt-get to install firmware-b43-installer... which is the problem i am having
202 [01:03:57] <skum> badargo: where is my source list file so i can add att contrib nonfree?
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205 [01:04:13] <badargo> Aug 02 19:46:58 debian systemd[1]: Starting Network Manager Wait Online...
206 [01:04:15] <badargo> Aug 02 19:47:06 debian systemd[1]: Started Network Manager Wait Online.
207 [01:04:30] <badargo> quite slow
208 [01:04:41] <badargo> skum: lemme check
209 [01:04:41] <jmcnaught> skum: see the information and example on this page: replaced-url
210 [01:04:56] <skum> jmcnaught: thanks, I'm there now
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212 [01:05:22] <badargo> skum: read this replaced-url
213 [01:05:42] <skum> badargo: Ok, thanks
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217 [01:08:03] <badargo> hey i found this
218 [01:08:04] <badargo> Aug 02 19:47:00 debian ModemManager[488]: <info> Couldn't check support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:02:00.0': not suppor
219 [01:08:07] <badargo> Aug 02 19:47:00 debian ModemManager[488]: <info> Couldn't check support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.3/0000:03:00.0': not suppor
220 [01:08:07] <skum> So it looks like i basically just append "contrib non-free" to the end of each of my sources
221 [01:08:27] <badargo> skum: yes
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223 [01:09:14] <badargo> could it be that the bad guy?
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225 [01:10:50] <nvz> it started to storm here and oddly enough the power only went out on the outside wall, the inside walls are all on a different circuit, but it was enough to knock out the router I guess
226 [01:11:12] <badargo> hey nvz, what does this means to u
227 [01:11:13] <badargo> Couldn't check support for device at
228 [01:11:13] <badargo> '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:02:00.0': not suppor
229 [01:11:36] <badargo> i mean
230 [01:11:36] <badargo> Aug 02 19:46:58 debian systemd[1]: Started Modem Manager.
231 [01:11:37] <badargo> Aug 02 19:47:00 debian ModemManager[488]: <info> Couldn't check support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.2/0000:02:00.0': not suppor
232 [01:11:39] <badargo> Aug 02 19:47:00 debian ModemManager[488]: <info> Couldn't check support for device at '/sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.3/0000:03:00.0': not suppor
233 [01:11:56] <badargo> debian cant find suport for a modem?
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235 [01:12:15] <nvz> you shouldn't paste in here. and idk
236 [01:12:55] <nvz> check lspci -n output and see what is on that bus with the address 1c.3 or whatever
237 [01:13:22] <nvz> erm actually I dont think you want -n.. idk I am on arm and I dont have a pci bus, its been years since I used it
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244 [01:17:26] <skum> I updated /etc/default/grub and ran update-grub. It didn't seem to update it. Do i need to run a different command?
245 [01:18:12] <nvz> skum: I don't think thats the grub config file
246 [01:18:13] <SuperTramp83> skum, sudo update-grub should be all
247 [01:18:49] <nvz> again I'm on arm, and using uboot but unless things drastically changed thats not the file update-grub would care at all about
248 [01:18:50] <skum> I also updated /etc/grub.d/10_linux and neither seemd to have stuck
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252 [01:19:32] <skum> maybe I have grub2? or maybe something to do with EFI?
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255 [01:20:09] <badargo> could /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1c.3/0000:03:00.0 be ethernet? how can i figure out what is that?
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260 [01:23:03] <nvz> badargo: I already told you, check lspci
261 [01:23:34] <nvz> skum: what are you trying to do? because grub's files that update-grub would care about have never been in those locations
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263 [01:24:26] <skum> The configuration file is /boot/grub/grub.cfg, but you shouldn't edit it directly. This file is generated by grub v2's update-grub(8), based on:
264 [01:24:29] <skum> The script snippets in /etc/grub.d/
265 [01:24:31] <skum> The configuration file /etc/default/grub
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267 [01:24:38] <skum> that is from wiki.debian.org
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269 [01:25:06] <skum> replaced-url
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272 [01:26:29] <badargo> nvz: sorry, missed that. i just lspci here
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274 [01:26:46] <nvz> oh right.. grub2 forgot about that
275 [01:27:42] <badargo> its these dudes
276 [01:27:43] <badargo> 00:1c.2 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev e3)
277 [01:27:46] <badargo> 00:1c.3 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #4 (rev e3
278 [01:28:06] <debianuser5003> lmao everyone here says YEah install ZFS but nobody know the correct procedure on debian9 :\\\
279 [01:28:25] <badargo> modem manager cant find support for them, after fsck
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281 [01:28:30] <debianuser5003> I'm even trying the official guides on a vm and they doesn't work :(
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288 [01:31:19] <badargo> how do i find a package to fix my PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #3 (rev e3) suport issue?
289 [01:31:26] <badargo> google failed me :S
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291 [01:31:45] <nvz> !zfs
292 [01:31:45] <dpkg> ZFS (originally Zettabyte File System) is a file system / logical volume manager developed by Sun Microsystems (replaced-url
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294 [01:32:28] <nvz> I'd advise against it
295 [01:32:39] <nvz> when it comes to filesystems you want well supported when shit hits the fan
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302 [01:36:08] <nvz> even just raid or lvm or luks is a bad idea if you dont know it well, you need to know how to recover your fs.. and most these fancier ones like XFS are nearly impossible to recover anyhow
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305 [01:36:45] <skum> Ok, figured out my grub problem. I forgot some "/" in some sed commands.. that'll do it. Thanks everyone for your help
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320 [01:45:49] <skum> I added a user to the group "sudo" and when running sudo I get "command not found"
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322 [01:47:49] <th0r> skum, did you add the user to the sudoers file?
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324 [01:48:02] <nvz> skum: sudo is /usr/bin/sudo and its root:root
325 [01:48:08] <skum> visudo doesn't work
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327 [01:48:48] <nvz> skum: make sure you have the sudo package installed
328 [01:49:14] <skum> nvz: I just tried to apt-get install sudo and it's prompting me to install CD2...
329 [01:49:17] <nvz> it is a Priority:optional package
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331 [01:50:24] <nvz> skum: sounds to me like you either need CD2, to enable an online mirror, or to use su instead
332 [01:50:24] <skum> I'll try commenting out deb cdrom in my sources.list
333 [01:50:37] <nvz> skum: apt-get update
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335 [01:51:17] <skum> nvz: I just commented out the CD in my list and now it downloaded from the mirrors
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338 [01:52:32] <skum> haha ok. So now i can sudo.. I tried `sudo cd /root` and got "cd: command not found"
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340 [01:53:11] <nshp> heh, cd is not a command, it's a shell function
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342 [01:54:07] <skum> I see
343 [01:54:55] <nvz> skum: use "which" when these issues come up.. "which sudo" shows where the command is in the $PATH
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346 [01:55:19] <nvz> which in turn shows you its PEBCAK
347 [01:55:34] <skum> nvz: ok thanks. I mean, sudo works with nano, so it must be something with cd
348 [01:55:50] <nvz> skum: yes because there is no command cd
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353 [01:56:43] <skum> nvz: Right, i get that now :)
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356 [01:57:26] <AciD`> on Jessie, I just changed my source.list to upgrade to Stretch, but when I do `apt update`, it always finish with a segmentation fault (apt[12076]: segfault at 10 ip 00007fbdb4495e00 sp 00007fffec500110 error 4 in libapt-private.so.0.0.0[7fbdb447a000+3c000]). Is that a known bug?
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362 [02:01:18] <tharkun> jessie->stretch
363 [02:01:24] <tharkun> !jessie->stretch
364 [02:01:36] <tharkun> AciD`: see that factoid under dpkg bot.
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370 [02:04:32] <AciD`> `apt update` segfault, while `apt-get update` does not
371 [02:05:28] <AciD`> when I run `apt-get dist-upgrade`, I see this error message : "E: The value 'jessie' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources"
372 [02:05:49] <AciD`> I do not remember modifying apt config
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376 [02:08:03] <tharkun> Review your sources file.
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378 [02:09:25] <n0rthlight> When you apt-get install does the app will auto update when I apt-get update && upgrade after?
379 [02:09:33] <AciD`> ah, `cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user` -> APT::Default-Release "jessie"; Acquire::PDiffs "false";
380 [02:10:01] <AciD`> `dpkg -S /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/99user` returns nothing
381 [02:10:08] <AciD`> I do not remember setting that up :x
382 [02:11:34] <AciD`> replaced-url
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403 [02:31:05] <tharkun> My keyboard Prior key is busted so I tried to generate a keymap modification where the "Next" and "Prior" functions are derived from the same key yet I am unable to do so. Can someone help me? xmodmap -e "keycode 117 = w W" works xmodmap -e "keycode 117 = Next Prior " does not work. Any clue or search term?
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418 [02:42:20] <tharkun> !xmodmaps
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420 [02:42:24] <tharkun> !xmodmap
421 [02:42:24] <dpkg> well, xmodmap is the tool from heaven. It fixed my backspace key to do what it's supposed to. (it modifies X keymaps), or, the tools from hell if you try to apply more than one modmap to the same session
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502 [03:13:49] <HeXiLeD> seems i broke apt. apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: libapt-pkg.so.5.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
503 [03:14:11] <HeXiLeD> what is the current known solution that does not require re-install ?
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505 [03:15:45] <chicognu> HeXiLeD, try to get that lib from some where and put in place
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507 [03:16:46] <chicognu> HeXiLeD, or compile apt-get from source and install. but my suggestions are not more than a guees
508 [03:16:56] <HeXiLeD> this just happened. i have not done anything yet
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513 [03:18:23] <badargo> hey! theres no init service on debian? was it replaced by systemd?
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516 [03:19:17] <mxh-> uh, just download the .deb and dpkg -i :)
517 [03:19:19] <mxh-> HeXiLeD: ^
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519 [03:19:35] <mxh-> badargo: yep systemd. /etc/init.d is still there
520 [03:19:42] <badargo> how do u scroll up when using the screen multiplexer?
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522 [03:20:35] <mxh-> badargo: press prefix+escape
523 [03:20:54] <badargo> the book im reading says init is the parent and grand parent of daemons... but cant see it in pstree
524 [03:21:00] <chicognu> mxh-, was you trying to help me yesterday with something relating rc.local dont working ?
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526 [03:21:40] <petn-randall> HeXiLeD: What did you do to reach this situation? Also, can you please provide the following:
527 [03:21:41] <dos000_> anyone know how you tell netcat to send packets and not expect anything back. apparently there is this send-only option but not in debian linux
528 [03:21:43] <petn-randall> !bat
529 [03:21:43] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
530 [03:22:28] <petn-randall> dos000_: Just ignore anything coming back in UDP mode?
531 [03:22:58] <dos000_> yeah ..
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533 [03:24:08] <mxh-> chicognu: not sure - are you the one on raspbian?
534 [03:24:33] <petn-randall> dos000_: cat data_you_want_to_send | nc -u destination > /dev/null
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536 [03:25:00] <petn-randall> dos000_: Though you might get a better answer if you try to explain the problem you're trying to solve.
537 [03:25:07] <petn-randall> !xy problem
538 [03:25:07] <dpkg> Slow down for a bit! Are you sure that you need to jump through that particular hoop to achieve your goal? We suspect you don't, so why don't you back up a bit and tell us about the overall objective... We know that people often falsely diagnose problems because they are too close to them -- it's easy to miss that there is a better way to proceed. See replaced-url
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542 [03:27:18] <dos000_> petn-randall: i am following this replaced-url
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545 [03:28:53] <dos000_> btw i removed the --send-only option for now
546 [03:29:18] <badargo> what prefix means in prefix+ escape?
547 [03:29:23] <jmcnaught> badargo: systemd replaces sysvinit. When the kernel boots the first program it loads (PID 1) is /sbin/init. On Debian by default that is systemd
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549 [03:29:57] <chicognu> mxh-, no. im the one using a old debian, wheezy... any way, rc.local dint start my the openvpn because the path to executable must be in /etc/init.d/rc.local
550 [03:30:02] <badargo> ohh i see. thank you jmcnaught !
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552 [03:30:47] <mxh-> chicognu: oh right! ok, glad you solved it :)
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554 [03:31:56] <chicognu> :)
555 [03:32:23] <badargo> i can pgrep a pid using the job name, can i grep a job using the pid?
556 [03:32:53] <badargo> ahh it show all jobs with that number :P
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560 [03:33:28] <badargo> no it doesnt.. 0.o
561 [03:33:47] <petn-randall> dos000_: Do you get an error?
562 [03:34:27] <dos000_> no .. its just slow .. but i am puzzled why would udp require a reply ?
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564 [03:35:37] <petn-randall> dos000_: It doesn't, netcat usually closes the network connection as soon as it finishes sending the EOF from the input.
565 [03:35:52] <petn-randall> dos000_: ping from that machine to the target works?
566 [03:36:02] <dos000_> its on the localhost
567 [03:36:37] <badargo> wheres inittab ?
568 [03:36:52] <dos000_> petn-randall: do you see any issue with the way the script is sending the upd from the shell on that page ? its doing a printf for example
569 [03:37:06] <petn-randall> badargo: How far did you get searching yourself?
570 [03:37:39] <badargo> find / -name inittab
571 [03:37:47] <badargo> no results
572 [03:38:02] <petn-randall> dos000_: Are you using the examples from there with echo "foo" | nc ...?
573 [03:38:30] <petn-randall> dos000_: If you have a more complex test, the first command might not be closing the FD, and then nc might still be waiting for feedback.
574 [03:38:37] <petn-randall> badargo: google?
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576 [03:38:59] <badargo> says its in /etc/inittab, its not
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579 [03:39:25] <petn-randall> badargo: I guess that answers your question then.
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581 [03:40:11] <jmcnaught> badargo: systemd works differently than sysvinit, but it is also fairly well documented. One good starting place I recommend is this blog series along with other docs on that page, and of course the man pages on your system: replaced-url
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584 [03:41:03] <dos000_> petn-randall: i was running the script as is without the --send-only option
585 [03:41:15] <dos000_> then i tried with echo
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587 [03:41:45] <badargo> jmcnaught: do u know what is the system initialization file on systemd?
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589 [03:43:27] <jmcnaught> badargo: there is no single file, there are units. "man systemd" discusses the concepts
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591 [03:44:32] <mxh-> badargo: `sudo systemctl list-unit-files` also `man systemctl` is a good read in addition to what jmcnaught said
592 [03:44:55] <badargo> thank you, im gonna read it
593 [03:45:30] <mxh-> badargo: or, if you just want to get something working, google how to make a systemd service. it's pretty simple.
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597 [03:47:13] <HeXiLeD> petn-randall: this seems to have solved the problem of broken apt: dpkg -i apt_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb libapt-pkg4.12_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb libstdc++6_4.9.2-10_amd64.deb apt-transport-https_1.0.9.8.4_amd64.deb and it broke when updating to stretch. Lets see if it upgrades now
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608 [03:53:43] <badargo> cann someone explain the difference between halt, shutdown and power off?
609 [03:53:58] <badargo> google is messy about that
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612 [03:55:32] <badargo> theres also shutdown -h and shutdown -p and just shutdown 0.o
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614 [03:56:28] <petn-randall> badargo: they all point to the same man page. Just ask if you don't understand anything in there.
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616 [03:57:36] <badargo> i got the man page open here. it doesnt explain what is the difference between shutdown and shutdown -A nor shutdown and shutdown -H, just mention they are options
617 [03:58:03] <badargo> theres also shutdown -P for poweroff
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620 [03:58:45] <badargo> ops the shutdown -A was supposed to mean shutdown -P :P
621 [03:58:46] <badargo> eww
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623 [03:59:46] <jmcnaught> badargo: look at the longer explanations in systemctl(1) for the halt and poweroff commands
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627 [04:00:39] <mxh-> halt powers off the CPU. shutdown actually shuts your computer down. that's what i gather
628 [04:00:44] <badargo> man systemctl1?
629 [04:01:21] <jmcnaught> badargo: 'man man' :P
630 [04:01:33] <badargo> just opened it :S
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632 [04:03:05] <mxh-> if you wanna dig deeper, man systemd-halt.service
633 [04:04:46] <badargo> this man page must have thousands of pages...
634 [04:05:29] <petn-randall> badargo: You can use "/<keyword>" to search through it. Press 'n' to search forward, and 'N' to search backwards again.
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642 [04:10:59] <badargo> petn-randall: thanks!
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646 [04:11:20] <badargo> this is one thing i have to remember at all costs :P
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648 [04:11:55] <universalpackage> how do i fix this replaced-url
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655 [04:14:40] <petn-randall> universalpackage: Are you using the package from Debian, or did you build it yourself from the source?
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657 [04:18:22] <universalpackage> i got it from here replaced-url
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660 [04:19:22] <abrotman> makes sense ..
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663 [04:20:41] <petn-randall> ,v aria2
664 [04:20:42] <judd> Package: aria2 on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.15.1-1; jessie: 1.18.8-1; stretch: 1.30.0-2; sid: 1.32.0-1; buster: 1.32.0-1
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667 [04:21:14] <petn-randall> universalpackage: There's no need to build it yourself, it's already in Debian. Just run 'apt install aria2'.
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671 [04:22:41] <universalpackage> without strace i get this replaced-url
672 [04:22:56] <petn-randall> ...
673 [04:24:04] <universalpackage> however im using an out dated version of the distro i usually use
674 [04:24:50] <petn-randall> universalpackage: What distro are you using?
675 [04:24:51] <dvs> universalpackage, what does the newer version does that the one in the distro can't do?
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678 [04:25:18] <kkerwin> Hi. Trying to install a package on 16.04, and hitting an error. Pretty sure I've seen this error before and that there is a simple command to fix it, but can't remember it: replaced-url
679 [04:25:28] <universalpackage> it portable?
680 [04:25:31] <petn-randall> kkerwin: Ubuntu 16.04?
681 [04:25:43] <kkerwin> As a note, I've had the problem on both debian 9 and Ubuntu 16.04. Currently booting debian 9
682 [04:25:54] <kkerwin> ... and experiencing this problem.
683 [04:26:08] <universalpackage> it statically linked
684 [04:26:23] <universalpackage> the one from distro is not statically linked
685 [04:26:32] <petn-randall> universalpackage: *which* distro are you running, though?
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687 [04:27:07] <petn-randall> !bat
688 [04:27:07] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
689 [04:27:20] <petn-randall> kkerwin: Can you provide *all* info above from the Debian machine?
690 [04:27:47] <kkerwin> petn-randall: Sure thing!
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695 [04:29:36] <universalpackage> chakra 2016-02-25 (although i did find "The /etc/ld. so.nohwcap has a bug on older Debian-based linux systems where the /etc/ld. so.nohwcap is missing, in which /etc/ld. so.nohwcap is very important on older Debian-based Linux Systems" wich the file is mentioned in the strace at 'access("/etc/ld.so.nohwcap", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)')
696 [04:31:21] <badargo> hey, if alias ls='ls --color=auto', why i summon the list command when i type ls?
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699 [04:32:03] <universalpackage> what you mean
700 [04:32:26] <badargo> its the ls command with automatic color?
701 [04:32:30] <universalpackage> yes
702 [04:32:47] <universalpackage> eg do alias ls='ls --help' ; ls
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704 [04:33:11] <kkerwin> petn-randall: replaced-url
705 [04:33:26] <universalpackage> wait do ls on a seperate line as it doesnt seem to work with ;
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707 [04:34:02] <badargo> ohhh noice! im gonna make alias up='sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && echo woofie!'
708 [04:34:15] <universalpackage> lol oki
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711 [04:34:48] <badargo> but how i delete an alias? rm /path/to/alias/folder ? universalpackage
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713 [04:35:18] <universalpackage> also in bash the equivilent to an alias is a function (use $@ to include its params if the alias is a path to an external application)
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715 [04:35:26] <Milo-> badargo unalias
716 [04:35:47] <mxh-> badargo: unalias is temporary, edit the file afterwards :)
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718 [04:36:00] <universalpackage> revert it back with alias ls='ls --color=auto'
719 [04:36:14] <universalpackage> (or what ever ur original alias was
720 [04:36:24] <badargo> ohh :D this is cool stuff! thank you guys
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722 [04:37:04] <universalpackage> wonder if alias's and bash functions are the same
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724 [04:38:09] <petn-randall> kkerwin: thanks, what is the output of 'apt-cache policy'?
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727 [04:39:00] <kkerwin> petn-randall: replaced-url
728 [04:39:29] <universalpackage> also why is /etc/ld. so.nohwcap important?
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733 [04:41:11] <petn-randall> kkerwin: Does it work fine if you remove opensmtpd-extras? If yes, it looks like that package wasn't updated properly. I can't find such a bug in the bug tracker (replaced-url
734 [04:41:23] <petn-randall> (gotta go now, hope it helps)
735 [04:41:30] <kkerwin> petn-randall: Thanks.
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744 [04:45:27] <badargo> say i want to grep a word input in /usr/share/dict/words like grep dog /usr/share/dict/words... but want to make an alias for that... alias word ()= grep () /usr/share/dict/words how u guys do that?
745 [04:47:15] <universalpackage> as in an alias for `cat /usr/share/dict/words | grep dog` ?
746 [04:47:50] <jmcnaught> !uuoc
747 [04:47:50] <dpkg> UUOC is the Useless Use of Cat Award. Given out for years by Randal Schwartz on the newsgroup comp.unix.shell. Basically, most constructions that look like "cat filename | grep pattern" can be more easily written as "grep pattern filename". Works for grep and most other Unix utilities. Easier to type and marginally more efficient.
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749 [04:48:46] <universalpackage> as in an alias for `grep dog /usr/share/dict/words` ?
750 [04:49:12] <universalpackage> i keep forgetting that most commands have file input as an argumenty
751 [04:49:17] <universalpackage> argument*
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753 [04:50:15] <badargo> universalpackage: yess
754 [04:50:28] <badargo> but not the dog word, a word u choose at the time
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756 [04:51:12] <universalpackage> depends if the alias itself supports $@
757 [04:51:54] <universalpackage> it might, it depends if bash.rc acts the same way as a bash script or not
758 [04:52:36] <badargo> then maybe it should be an alias that run a bash script hehe
759 [04:52:39] <jmcnaught> badargo: inside the bash man page do '/^ALIASES' to jump to the section about them
760 [04:52:43] <AciD`> hey guys, would you see why my jessie->stretch upgrade held back two packages? : replaced-url
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762 [04:53:46] <universalpackage> i dont think aliases support $@
763 [04:54:06] <universalpackage> as "alias ek2=`grep $@ /usr/share/dict/cracklib-small`" is taking forever to return back to the shell
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766 [04:54:33] <universalpackage> u should be able to impliment it as a function tho
767 [04:54:44] <universalpackage> ek() { grep $@ /usr/share/dict/cracklib-small ; }
768 [04:54:51] <jmcnaught> AciD`: are the packages held or pinned? They're just -dev packages, can you remove them and reinstall them?
769 [04:55:18] <universalpackage> although replace ek with the same u wish to use for calling the function
770 [04:55:45] <universalpackage> and replace cracklib-small with words (as mine only had that file)
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783 [05:07:22] <AciD`> jmcnaught -> I just removed them, they had no dependency
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794 [05:20:46] <n0rthlight> In Debian firewall is installed by default?
795 [05:21:08] <jmcnaught> no
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797 [05:21:36] <n0rthlight> Would you mind providing its name again?
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800 [05:22:34] <Milo-> iptables?
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802 [05:22:38] <jmcnaught> n0rthlight: netfilter is the firewall part of the Linux kernel. For years the primary tool to configure it has been iptables. New in stretch is its replacement nftables
803 [05:23:39] <n0rthlight> Ok I will stick with Iptables since its also what I used in Ubuntu, you know the name of that graphical interface ?
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816 [05:28:19] <universalpackage> will unsetting LANGUAGE/LANG cause problems for other binaries?
817 [05:28:28] <n0rthlight> I got it :) My bad Gufw was its name.
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891 [06:17:58] <Hyp3ri0n> hello
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893 [06:18:16] <Hyp3ri0n> currently im on a jessie system,but i want gcc-6
894 [06:18:20] <Hyp3ri0n> what do i do?
895 [06:18:26] <jmcnaught> upgrade to stretch
896 [06:18:42] <Hyp3ri0n> but my computer is quite old
897 [06:19:04] <Hyp3ri0n> i dont think it can run stretch...even my laptop hangs a bit while running stretch
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901 [06:20:28] <jmcnaught> I don't think there's that much difference in requirements from release to release. If your desktop environment uses more resources in the newer version, you could use a different one or even a window manager
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904 [06:20:46] <Hyp3ri0n> yes
905 [06:21:11] <Hyp3ri0n> but then i could not be able to view all those youtube videos or surf the net properly
906 [06:21:27] <Hyp3ri0n> also it is a bit of a hassle tht i want to avoid atm
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911 [06:23:10] <jmcnaught> ,v firefox-esr
912 [06:23:11] <judd> Package: firefox-esr on amd64 -- jessie: 45.9.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch: 45.9.0esr-1; jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.1.0esr-1~bpo80+1; wheezy-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb7u1; jessie-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb8u1; stretch-security: 52.2.0esr-1~deb9u1; sid: 52.2.0esr-2; buster: 52.2.0esr-2
913 [06:23:17] <jmcnaught> ,v chromium
914 [06:23:18] <judd> Package: chromium on amd64 -- wheezy: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; wheezy-security: 37.0.2062.120-1~deb7u1; jessie: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; jessie-security: 57.0.2987.98-1~deb8u1; stretch: 59.0.3071.86-1; buster: 59.0.3071.104-1; sid: 60.0.3112.78-1
915 [06:24:02] <Hyp3ri0n> by window manager i think you meant i3 or such
916 [06:24:06] <jmcnaught> Hyp3ri0n: same firefox-esr on jessie and stretch, chromium on stretch isn't that much newer, but chromium's probably not a good pick for struggling hardware
917 [06:24:17] <jmcnaught> yeah, there are dozens of them
918 [06:24:18] <Hyp3ri0n> hmm
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921 [06:27:54] <Hyp3ri0n> ,v isl
922 [06:27:55] <judd> No package named 'isl' was found in amd64.
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924 [06:28:18] <jmcnaught> Hyp3ri0n: you can /msg judd
925 [06:28:29] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
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927 [06:29:29] <jmcnaught> Hyp3ri0n: aptitude search ~Gx11::window-manager
928 [06:29:30] <p_> devian is better?
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930 [06:29:48] <jmcnaught> what is a devian?
931 [06:30:12] <p_> devuian is the new debian without systemd
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935 [06:30:57] <jmcnaught> It's unlikely for a fork with far fewer resources than Debian will be superior
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937 [06:32:32] <jmcnaught> p_: it's a matter of opinion, but not the kind of opinion we like to discuss around here as other distros and debates like emacs vs. vi, systemd vs. sysvinit are off-topic here
938 [06:35:27] <p_> that is intressting things
939 [06:36:35] <jmcnaught> p_: FYI you can still use sysvinit instead of systemd as init in Debian
940 [06:37:27] <p_> ok
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1049 [07:56:42] <darsie> Shall I get a new computer before reinstalling debian?
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1059 [08:04:53] <Sabotender> darsie: doubtful. Debian is capable of running on even the crappiest of computers. ;-)
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1062 [08:05:46] <darsie> yeah, but I might want a new one so may be reinstalling twice or moving the reinstallation to the new computer.
1063 [08:06:40] <darsie> it
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1110 [08:30:03] <hiya> is this a good command to create a user with least rights?
1111 [08:30:03] <hiya> adduser --system --no-create-home --disabled-login openvpn
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1134 [08:45:40] <BW^-> what's the best 7" tablet to run Linux on (with Intel CPU and preferably lots of RAM)?
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1161 [09:02:08] <bolt> BW^-: best how?
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1163 [09:04:10] <Ke> aren't x86 tablets mostly completely locked down
1164 [09:04:18] <Nawab> does configuring /etc/environment take effect at once?
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1166 [09:04:50] <Ke> somehow someone might recommend amlogic, allwinner or rockchip SoCs for tables
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1172 [09:08:49] <bolt> Nawab: programs do not generally watch that file for changes. it will take effect when the file is read
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1177 [09:09:06] <Nawab> bolt: how much time?
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1180 [09:09:21] <bolt> Nawab: no time. new logins, for instance, would read that file.
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1183 [09:09:35] <bolt> Nawab: if you want to set an environment variable in your current session, just set it
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1185 [09:09:40] <Nawab> ok
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1188 [09:10:39] <bolt> also, please be careful modifying system wide environment files. you might prevent anyone from logging in
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1193 [09:13:56] <pingfloyd> just make sure it ultimately won't prevent root access
1194 [09:14:12] <pingfloyd> if you can get that, you can always fix whatever happened
1195 [09:14:26] <pingfloyd> even if you can't, but then it's some extra work
1196 [09:14:34] <apollo13> even with crazy app-armor policies?
1197 [09:14:57] <apollo13> I know you can at least lock it down with selinux to a point where you need to mount the disk externally
1198 [09:14:57] <pingfloyd> app-armor is a whole can of worms of its own
1199 [09:15:25] <apollo13> right, just saying that you maybe cannot always fix everything with root if the system was configured crazily enough :)
1200 [09:15:31] <pingfloyd> that's MAC for you though
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1202 [09:15:47] <pingfloyd> that's why I won't bother with mac unless it's a public facing server
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1204 [09:16:28] <apollo13> that is something I like on centos/rhel, selinux is active by default
1205 [09:16:41] <pingfloyd> probably a good default for those
1206 [09:16:52] <pingfloyd> since they're intended usage is production servers
1207 [09:16:55] <pingfloyd> their
1208 [09:16:58] <apollo13> and debian is not? :)
1209 [09:17:10] <pingfloyd> I think debian is good for anything
1210 [09:17:13] <apollo13> fwiw they even have it enabled on desktop machines (last time I checked)
1211 [09:17:17] <pingfloyd> both desktop and server
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1250 [09:29:47] <jsleeio> hiya. I'm using bootstrap-vz to build AWS AMIs for Kubernetes and trying [failing] to figure out how to escape {} in its config. Halp?
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1262 [09:36:02] <jsleeio> (to complicate things slightly... i'm using kube-deploy 'imagebuilder' to invoke it, so the manifest is preprocessed with golang templates as well :-/ ... but I've confirmed via examining the final generated manifest that golang isn't getting in the way)
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1284 [09:48:24] <babilen> jsleeio: You might want to ask in a kubernetes channel (on Slack unfortunately) and/or provide additional information as to what exactly goes wrong
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1286 [09:49:34] <Guest37802> debian is good, I'm using debian as my desktop instead of windows
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1295 [09:52:57] <Nawab> ,v symbola
1296 [09:52:58] <judd> No package named 'symbola' was found in amd64.
1297 [09:53:12] <Nawab> does a font package called symbola exist?
1298 [09:53:23] <Nawab> i did apt-cache search,but didnt found it
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1300 [09:53:49] <Nawab> i think i might hav forgotten the correct name
1301 [09:53:57] <bolt> Nawab: fonts-symbola
1302 [09:54:04] <Nawab> ok
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1304 [09:54:18] <Nawab> nope
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1306 [09:54:24] <Nawab> didnt give any results
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1308 [09:54:32] <Nawab> ,v fonts-symbola
1309 [09:54:33] <judd> Package: fonts-symbola on amd64 -- buster: 2.59-1; sid: 2.59-1; stretch: 2.59-1
1310 [09:54:38] <Nawab> ok
1311 [09:54:43] <jsleeio> babilen: yeah i did. nobody awake that seems to know about it :-/ and also I figured asking here may be better as bootstrap-vz is a debian thing, not a kube thing
1312 [09:54:45] <Nawab> so its only for stretch
1313 [09:54:49] <bolt> might be called something else in jessie
1314 [09:54:53] <Nawab> but im on jessie
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1319 [09:57:40] <jsleeio> babilen: i can work around it. NBD. just frustrating
1320 [09:57:43] <babilen> jsleeio: Sure - I simply figured that you'd find more people in a kubernets related channel - obviously asking in both is better.
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1324 [09:58:38] <babilen> I am also not entirely sure what the problem is .. are {} interpreted as being part of a markup language at one point, while you want them to be passed on literally to the next parser/renderer ?
1325 [09:59:00] <jsleeio> am using the commands section to do some very minimal setup (google totp) and need to insert ${USER}... and bootstrap-vz interprets {foo} as a variable reference
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1327 [09:59:10] <jsleeio> the usual backslash escaping doesn't work
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1332 [09:59:29] <babilen> Another idea would be to open an issue on kube-deploy and ask there...
1333 [09:59:31] <jsleeio> need to insert ${USER} into a file, that is.
1334 [10:00:13] <babilen> .oO( And why am I wasting hours of my life on something as trivial as that? )
1335 [10:00:14] <babilen> ;)
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1338 [10:01:53] <jsleeio> better idea: move the build commands into a script in a git repo, clone it, run them.
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1340 [10:02:34] <Nawab> ,v runtest
1341 [10:02:35] <judd> No package named 'runtest' was found in amd64.
1342 [10:02:42] <Nawab> ,v dlltool
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1344 [10:02:43] <judd> No package named 'dlltool' was found in amd64.
1345 [10:02:45] <jsleeio> i will raise a thing in bootstrap-vz github project though. maybe it doesn't even have escaping :-)
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1347 [10:03:26] <Nawab> can anyone say which packages contain these tools: runtest,dlltool,lipo,windres,windmc
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1350 [10:04:27] <babilen> dpkg: tell Nawab -about apt-file
1351 [10:04:35] <babilen> judd: file bin/runtest
1352 [10:04:38] <judd> Search for bin/runtest in stretch/amd64: dejagnu: usr/bin/runtest
1353 [10:04:52] <babilen> Nawab: ^^ -- /msg judd file bin/dlltool
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1356 [10:05:12] <Nawab> babilen: im on jessie
1357 [10:05:56] <babilen> Nawab: pass "--release jessie" to the command or use apt-file as explained in the private message by our bot
1358 [10:06:13] <Nawab> ok
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1368 [10:10:08] <Nawab> /msg judd file --release jessie --exact dlltool
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1370 [10:10:20] <Nawab> is this correct...idk bcoz its giving me error
1371 [10:10:21] <Nawab> s
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1385 [10:16:19] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with this? replaced-url
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1465 [11:15:02] <Hyp3ri0n> is this correct? GOROOT=/opt/go ... its in .profile
1466 [11:16:03] <Hyp3ri0n> heres the whole file replaced-url
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1473 [11:21:45] <bolt> Hyp3ri0n: correct how? if that's where go is, i guess it's a correct way of setting an environment variable called "GOROOT" and adding the bin directory within to your PATH
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1481 [11:26:42] <Hyp3ri0n> bolt fixes it
1482 [11:26:46] <Hyp3ri0n> fixed*
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1494 [11:35:07] <shtrb> Is there a way for me to know if mirror is currently under update ? (did apt-get update && apt-get -d install and got package not found (after a successfull update)) ?
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1507 [11:43:31] <Haohmaru> what happens to a symlink which points into a mounted location... when that location isn't mounted?
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1519 [11:47:40] <undersk0r> hey guys
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1522 [11:49:11] <bolt> Haohmaru: it'll remain in a so-called "dangling" state, the same state as if you link to a file and then delete it, or force the creation of a symlink to a non-existent location
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1524 [11:49:54] <bolt> Haohmaru: or, on the off chance that the underlying file system contains a matching target, it'll link to that
1525 [11:49:58] <undersk0r> Is there any terminal that will give me a notification as soon theres an update on the terminal session?
1526 [11:50:15] <Haohmaru> bolt, so that sounds like a bad idea then
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1530 [11:50:30] <bolt> Haohmaru: depends on the use case
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1534 [11:51:29] <bolt> undersk0r: terminal emulators? no idea. but terminal multiplexers such as "screen" can give you notifications on activity, or lack thereof, of background windows, if that's of any use to you
1535 [11:51:38] <Haohmaru> i have a library located in a folder on my windows D:\ .. which does not get automatically mounted on reboot, i mount it manually by pressing its button in pcmanfm, and then it asks me for root password
1536 [11:52:07] <bolt> undersk0r: those will remain in the terminal connected to screen, however. it will not make nice fluffy graphical pop-ups
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1538 [11:52:16] <Haohmaru> that's fine by me.. thing is.. i want to have this folder available as a parent folder to a location in my home folder
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1540 [11:52:36] <Haohmaru> i did it with the symlink, and it appears to work at first sight
1541 [11:52:38] <undersk0r> anything that woill do enough to get my notification. it is time critical.. bolt
1542 [11:52:59] <bolt> Haohmaru: it will, given you mount it before use. otherwise your application will probably report that the file couldn't be found
1543 [11:53:02] <Haohmaru> i'm okay about having to mount the partition every time before using the files
1544 [11:53:14] <Haohmaru> yes, that's acceptable
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1546 [11:53:22] <bolt> !tell undersk0r about hurry
1547 [11:53:22] <Haohmaru> as long as nothing breaks in a bad way
1548 [11:53:36] <bolt> Haohmaru: try it :)
1549 [11:53:43] <bolt> Haohmaru: it would be application dependent
1550 [11:53:54] <Haohmaru> i did.. but i don't want to start trying whether it can break in a bad way
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1552 [11:54:16] <Haohmaru> i was concerned whether it would even work after a reboot
1553 [11:54:25] <bolt> Haohmaru: it will, after you mount it
1554 [11:54:37] <undersk0r> nah i mean, me getting the notification is timecritical. I can not miss the notification is the point i want to make bolt
1555 [11:54:40] <Haohmaru> because the location is /media/<myusername>/66145485145459DF/folder
1556 [11:54:59] <Haohmaru> but i *think* those quasi-random letters are the same every time
1557 [11:55:07] <bolt> undersk0r: what sort of notification are you looking for? and what is the input?
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1563 [11:57:23] <undersk0r> its on a pentesting framework. My autorun script is broken since the last update so i need to do everything input everything manually. It usually returns '[+] Initial agent GFWD7USR from <ip>' after which i have to go about doing stuff normally. I need to be notified as soon as that happens bolt
1564 [11:58:23] <undersk0r> any kind of notification that is noticeable is enough. what would you recommend?
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1566 [11:59:12] <undersk0r> welp i messed up the first sentence..
1567 [11:59:41] <bolt> undersk0r: either just log to a file and run "grep" on it in a loop, or with inotify to get slightly fancy, and do something when grep finds what you want, or use a much fancier tool like "expect" to automate the entire cli
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1578 [12:05:55] <Hyp3ri0n> what should i do to make my .profile file load on logging in
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1580 [12:06:02] <Hyp3ri0n> its defined as this replaced-url
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1582 [12:06:41] <Hyp3ri0n> i want it to be loaded,so tht i dont hav to type source ~/.profile on startup
1583 [12:07:30] <mxh-> Hyp3ri0n: .bash_profile is what runs on my debian install
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1585 [12:08:11] <Hyp3ri0n> so which file do i put those lines on to make it load up user space wide on startup
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1588 [12:09:01] <mxh-> Hyp3ri0n: i have my settings in .bashrc. .bash_profile just contains one line ". ~/.bashrc"
1589 [12:09:11] <mxh-> Hyp3ri0n: works for any terminal/tty
1590 [12:09:13] <Hyp3ri0n> ok
1591 [12:09:18] <Hyp3ri0n> thnx mxh-
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1643 [12:38:20] <barry> hi flashplayer not installed by default / repos in debian 9 mate does anybody have same problem ?
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1822 [14:40:53] <mitmf> to install debian, then i must use amd64 small cds or usb sticks?
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1824 [14:41:17] <bolt> mitmf: you can use whatever installation media you like
1825 [14:41:30] <mitmf> whatever?
1826 [14:41:34] <bolt> yes.
1827 [14:41:40] <bolt> well, not floppies anymore
1828 [14:42:11] <mitmf> amd64 for intel chipset?
1829 [14:42:34] <bolt> mitmf: if your cpu is 64-bit, then yes
1830 [14:42:59] <mitmf> debian is stable than ubuntu or not?
1831 [14:43:27] <bolt> mitmf: they contain pretty much the same software. debian stable is though, as the name suggests, quite stable
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1837 [14:45:13] <bolt> either way there's no point running around saying "my system is more stable because i run debian". it all depends on what software you're running on top.
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1862 [14:59:26] <mrguser> Hello world
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1864 [14:59:58] <mxh-> mrguser: o/
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1882 [15:10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
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1914 [15:27:03] <r3> so I had this filesystem mounted and running on an SD card, it got full so I mounted it in a different system and now want to fsck it. after issuing an fsck -f to it, it is giving me the message "Superblock needs_recovery flag is clear, but journal has data. Run journal anyway<y>?" ... I am kinda new at this and am not sure how I should answer that
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1920 [15:32:12] <bolt> r3: unless you were doing something very important at the time, either is probably fine. just go with the defaulty
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1924 [15:33:44] <r3> naw, it is just a small system and hardly used, thank you very much for your help
1925 [15:34:08] <r3> (imma gonna go ahead and back that fs up anyway to another drive just in case...)
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2012 [16:26:35] <juststrollingin> So Debian Stretch has now went from php 5.6 -> 7
2013 [16:27:17] <juststrollingin> There seems to be alot of LAMP/LEMP setups that require PHP 5.6. What is the preferred way to handle this? Install Debian 8 or mess with packages?
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2017 [16:29:50] <jmcnaught> juststrollingin: use Debian 8 for now
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2021 [16:30:51] <n0rthlight_> The terminal in Debian does not have the same visual option I have seen in other distro. It is the same app?
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2026 [16:33:13] <jmcnaught> n0rthlight_: almost two dozen terminal emulators in Debian, which one are you using?
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2028 [16:34:05] <n0rthlight_> The one coming with the live .iso would you append to know the one used by ubuntu and mint?
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2030 [16:35:02] <n0rthlight_> I like my transparency, please don't trow me rock!:)
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2036 [16:36:05] <jmcnaught> n0rthlight_: there are also multiple live .isos. Does your terminal emulator have a Help menu with an About in it?
2037 [16:36:18] <bolt> screenshots would be neat
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2039 [16:36:44] <juststrollingin> jmcnaught ok, thanks
2040 [16:36:52] <jmcnaught> n0rthlight_: if you want transparency try terminator
2041 [16:36:53] <n0rthlight_> Gnome terminal 3.22.2
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2045 [16:37:37] <n0rthlight_> using vte version .46.1
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2049 [16:38:46] <n0rthlight_> jmcnaught Thanks I will try that.
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2088 [16:59:17] <M0nk3y> Hi Guys, i try to a crazy things i know but it's possible on linux to force static ip configuration to get LAN ip for example 192.168.1.0 or the broadcast address in .255 please ?
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2091 [16:59:52] <jmcnaught> M0nk3y: replaced-url
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2097 [17:03:02] <tharkun> greycat: Thanks I couldn't fix my keyboard problem but thanks to xmodmap I found a turnaround for it. IOU some coffee
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2099 [17:03:14] <n0rthlight> jmcnaught terminator is perfect thank you again.
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2104 [17:03:58] <tharkun> M0nk3y: why would you place an ip on Broadcast it would certainly make life on your lan misserable.
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2107 [17:04:38] <M0nk3y> Yes i know but it's just a test
2108 [17:04:41] <tharkun> If you want to scan what is going on you might as well install wireshark or use nmap for it.
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2110 [17:04:59] <tharkun> M0nk3y: What are you testing?
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2112 [17:06:07] <M0nk3y> To set an static ip like 192.168.1.0 or 192.168.1.255 and continue to commincate with the lan in /24 for example
2113 [17:06:26] <greycat> Why?
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2115 [17:08:03] <jelly> !goal
2116 [17:08:03] <dpkg> Describe your goal, not what you think the solution is.
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2118 [17:08:40] <greycat> replaced-url
2119 [17:08:44] <greycat> "In common usage, the first address in a subnet, all binary zero in the host identifier, is reserved for referring to the network itself, while the last address, all binary one in the host identifier, is used as a broadcast address for the network; this reduces the number of addresses available for hosts by 2."
2120 [17:08:58] <petn-randall> Probably to see what breaks and in what way?
2121 [17:09:41] <greycat> The fact that he will not say why is a strong indicator that he will be on my /ignore list shortly.
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2125 [17:12:10] <M0nk3y> Ok the final goal, it's to get an ip on a filled network, without pass by a VLAN or other way.
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2127 [17:13:19] <greycat> "filled" has a very simple and concrete meaning here
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2129 [17:14:41] <greycat> If you want to argue against the very principles of IPv4 then maybe ##networking would be a more suitable location.
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2140 [17:18:30] <jelly> the first address _can_ actually be used on most devices (I've never tried it on linux), it's just that this breaks using first-address/mask to refer to the whole network
2141 [17:19:07] <jelly> does it work? Try it and see. Is it a good idea? No.
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2144 [17:20:17] <jelly> doesn't sound like a debian question anyway
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2151 [17:21:18] <M0nk3y> Ok ok
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2201 [17:51:57] <hexhaxtron> My Apache server is not starting... What should I do? I don't find anything in the logs...
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2203 [17:52:30] <greycat> start with "systemctl status apache2"
2204 [17:53:25] <hexhaxtron> greycat: replaced-url
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2208 [17:54:41] <hexhaxtron> greycat: it's working now. Thanks!
2209 [17:54:48] <greycat> It seems to say there should be *something* in the apache logs, which would be /var/log/apache2/error.log unless you changed it in the config.
2210 [17:54:53] <greycat> OH, ok.
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2235 [18:03:20] <oskie> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor|sort|uniq gives 'powersave', that can't be right for a server can it!?
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2239 [18:03:34] <fsociety[00]dat> Hi all; I downloaded 'debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' file and I want to get information about the packages' signatures ( KEY ID for example ). My start point is 'pool' directory and I want to do this for all packages then import the results if possible.
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2243 [18:04:18] <babilen> dpkg: check iso
2244 [18:04:18] <dpkg> To verify you have a valid and official Debian CD/DVD image, see replaced-url
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2248 [18:06:18] <fsociety[00]dat> babilen, not for iso nor like hashes; like debsigs
2249 [18:06:57] <babilen> Why not use debsigs?
2250 [18:07:08] <babilen> Sorry, I am clearly missing something if this is not about checking the iso
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2252 [18:07:15] <fsociety[00]dat> commentx packagey.deb ( result this deb file signed with bla bla or KEYID )
2253 [18:07:18] <oskie> I only have to CPU governors to choose from: powersave and performance - is this because my CPU is a Xeon E3?
2254 [18:08:00] <fsociety[00]dat> babilen, I could not use 'debsigs' :(
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2256 [18:08:24] <icyrouter> oskie: Intel CPUs often seem to only have those two governors
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2258 [18:08:48] <fsociety[00]dat> Can this Q. ask in devel channel?
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2262 [18:09:26] <babilen> fsociety[00]dat: Where are these packages?
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2266 [18:09:47] <oskie> icyrouter: but the way I interpret "powersave", is that it uses minimum CPU MHz *all the time*?
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2269 [18:10:01] <fsociety[00]dat> in 'pool' directory in ISO
2270 [18:10:50] <fsociety[00]dat> recursively
2271 [18:12:02] <babilen> fsociety[00]dat: You mean you want this for individual packages?
2272 [18:12:17] <nkuttler> is there a way to list all installed email clients? aren't they tagged?
2273 [18:12:47] <babilen> fsociety[00]dat: You might want to read replaced-url
2274 [18:12:49] <fsociety[00]dat> babilen, yep; I am not good at Eng. sorry
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2276 [18:12:59] <icyrouter> oskie: Is your system a laptop? Generally, it seems to allow clock speed when required, but does clock down under low use
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2278 [18:13:21] <fsociety[00]dat> read it :(
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2280 [18:14:02] <babilen> fsociety[00]dat: So, what are you after that pertains to single packages? You have their checksum and the (signed) Release file + signed isos
2281 [18:14:16] <babilen> dpkg: check iso signature
2282 [18:14:16] <dpkg> On a Debian box, you can check the installer images are legitimate using the signature file that comes with them. When downloading the ISO, also get the SHA256SUMS and SHA256SUMS.sign files in the same directory, then: "apt-get install -t sid debian-keyring; sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS; gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-role-keys.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS.sign". See also <check iso image>.
2283 [18:14:28] <icyrouter> oskie: I have found that, on newer intel CPUs (core ix 3xxx or newer), switching from powersave to performance makes the cpu idle at the advertised base clock speed, rather than allowing the cpu to go lower when activity is low
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2369 [18:46:04] <fred1807> I swichted from network manager to systemd-neworkd now, If I leave the ethernet cable connected, and boot the machine, I can ping/ssh to eth0 ip, but wlan0 timesout. (Once connected I see no errors in the status, Ip is acquired and all seems to be good with wlan0. If I unplug the cable, and after boot I plug ethernet, than we have the opossite. I can ping/ssh to wlan0 ip, but eth0 ip times out. Once connecetd networkctl status eth0 looks all good.
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2373 [18:47:19] <petn-randall> fred1807: Are both LAN and wifi on the same subnet?
2374 [18:47:57] <fred1807> yes
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2376 [18:48:33] <fsociety[00]dat> babilen, also this only for an image; I need to see (show) .deb signature per package in the 'pool' directory.
2377 [18:48:47] <petn-randall> fred1807: Does it work if you have wifi connected and Ethernet unplugged?
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2397 [18:56:07] <fred1807> petn-randall: yes it works. And if I connect ethercable again, it keeps working. It is then the eth0 ip I cannot ping from another machine
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2401 [18:57:32] <forcerecon> I am sure I missed something here,.. but how can you ping on eth0 if the cable is unplugged
2402 [18:57:42] <petn-randall> fred1807: I'd argue that this is unrelated to systemd-networkd/network-manager, if you have overlapping subnets on two interfaces you'll always have problems.
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2404 [18:58:33] <forcerecon> oh, this is after a reboot and a replug.. nvm
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2406 [19:00:51] <forcerecon> which brings up a point.. If I am connected via eth0 and it goes down and the machine says. hmm.. I need a network connection, then it should connect to any wlan it can that it has privs for.. However, once the eth0 comes back up it should be smart enough to drop the WIFI and then reconnect to eth0.. This would be optimal IMO.. find the most reliable network and connect to it. wired takes precedence
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2409 [19:02:15] <petn-randall> forcerecon: Wired *already* takes precendence. However, if you get an ICMP ping on wlan0, your machine will respond with the IP of eth0 on eth0, which will not be registered by the other machine.
2410 [19:02:21] <petn-randall> forcerecon: (amongst other things)
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2412 [19:02:59] <petn-randall> The way around that is to make sure the DHCP server gives both eth0 and wlan0 the *same* IP address, and you make 100% sure you don't have those two interfaces bridged together on the machine.
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2415 [19:03:43] <forcerecon> when is the last time you were connected to wifi and it disconnected the second that wired was back?
2416 [19:03:51] <forcerecon> Im talking about a complete drop
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2419 [19:04:40] <forcerecon> petn-randall: your explanation is correct. I am not questioning it..
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2421 [19:05:41] <forcerecon> I just wish it would drop the wifi completely.. especially if it utilizes mifi in the interim
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2424 [19:06:22] <fred1807> petn-randall: can I make dhcp giver the same ip to both eth0 and wlan0?
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2427 [19:08:44] <forcerecon> Reserve the IP by MAC address on your DHCP server. That way you can leave the machine set to DHCP managed IP and still get the same one each time.
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2432 [19:10:51] <greycat> He wants his system to somehow detect that his ethernet cable has been cut, and *only then*, activate the wireless network to "take over" the ethernet IP address, and probably seamlessly all existing TCP sessions, etc.
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2437 [19:13:48] <forcerecon> I am sure if we could determine the link state of the wired connection and trigger the immediate reconnection of wifi at time of fault and vice versa that this would be a great thing
2438 [19:14:09] <forcerecon> this is something I would love to have done.. There are surely people out there smarter than I am that can figure out how to create that revokable trigger
2439 [19:14:44] <greycat> Detecting link-down and bringing up wfoo0bar1 is probably not a big deal. Using the same IP address? Dunno, sounds hard.
2440 [19:14:59] <forcerecon> so you would have dhcp managed via mac reconnect when plausable to either lan or wifi but still keep same iP
2441 [19:15:03] <greycat> Taking over TCP session? Sounds impossible.
2442 [19:15:04] <jmcnaught> forcerecon: NetworkManager has hooks
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2445 [19:16:05] <forcerecon> if it was delayed long enough, maybe 3 seconds it might just work. there has to be a release and renew.. how much time is needed is the factor
2446 [19:17:52] <forcerecon> I am going to work on this.. sounds fun.. dhcp mac address static, loss of lan wifi reconnect establish same IP, and when lan comes back up drop wifi and reconnect with mac specified IP over lan
2447 [19:17:52] <forcerecon> wow.. very cool
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2456 [19:23:59] <forcerecon> arp cache might be an issue.,. 30 seconds.. might be able to cut that down..
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2458 [19:25:00] <forcerecon> well.. I will try.. have a nice day.. off to the final meeting today.. then home.. be well
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2507 [19:43:12] <lildebby> i want make my debian as light on resources as possible. I don't use crond & anacrond, can i remove them ? or debian system is depended on them to work properly ?
2508 [19:43:19] <clemens3> greycat: so is the wifi on the same router/modem/internet? then what is the chance that ethernet wont work while wifi is still working?
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2512 [19:43:52] <MarioMey> Hello, people.
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2514 [19:44:26] <MarioMey> "wget -O file.txt URL" always overwrite file.txt... it doesn't creates file.txt.1, file.txt.2, etc.
2515 [19:44:29] <MarioMey> Why?
2516 [19:44:45] <MarioMey> As some question in stackoverflow says... it should.
2517 [19:44:53] <MarioMey> But it doesn't in my computer.
2518 [19:44:57] <MarioMey> Debian 9 here.
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2521 [19:46:31] <lildebby> MarioMey, because with that commond you say to ouput to file, not folder
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2524 [19:46:58] <lildebby> wget url -r -nd
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2526 [19:47:40] <MarioMey> lildebby: I want to output a file...
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2528 [19:48:05] <MarioMey> It is a CSV created by a plugin that captures contact forms in WordPress.
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2530 [19:48:28] <MarioMey> This plugin gives me an address to download the file.
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2532 [19:48:47] <lildebby> can i safely remove crond & anacron without hurting my system ?
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2534 [19:49:05] <clemens3> MarioMey: where does it say it should number the downloaded files .1 .2 like normal behavior?
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2536 [19:49:13] <jmcnaught> lildebby: removing cron is not a good idea. you could remove anacron, but if your computer is off or suspended sometimes then it's best to keep anacron as well
2537 [19:49:46] <MarioMey> clemens3: here replaced-url
2538 [19:49:56] <ola> MarioMey: in the wget man page, the section you want to read is "-nc" or "--no-clobber"
2539 [19:50:46] <lildebby> jmcnaught, but do i really needit on my home computer ? what software uses it ?
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2541 [19:51:14] <clemens3> ola: -nc -O will then refuse downloading second time
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2543 [19:51:29] <clemens3> MarioMey: while not delete or if you need old versions, move them first?
2544 [19:51:48] <clemens3> the .1 .2 files are really ugly and imho serve little purpose
2545 [19:52:07] <clemens3> if you need them, manage them yourself
2546 [19:52:14] <jmcnaught> lildebby: any package with a file in /etc/cron.{d,daily,hourly,weekly,monthly}. Is cron using a lot of resources on your system?
2547 [19:52:23] <clemens3> MarioMey: while=why
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2549 [19:53:06] <jmcnaught> lildebby: you don't stand to benefit very much from removing it, but you do run the risk of other things not working as expected
2550 [19:53:16] <MarioMey> ola: I tried with -nc, but it says "El fichero `inscripcion.txt' ya está ahí; no se descarga." English="File "file.txt" is already there, it doesn't be downloaded" (or something like this).
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2552 [19:53:38] <MarioMey> clemens3: Because I want to make a script to download the file once per hour.
2553 [19:53:43] <MarioMey> Automatically.ç
2554 [19:53:46] <jmcnaught> lildebby: cron is using 280 KiB of RAM on my system for example… and anacron only runs periodically
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2557 [19:54:35] <clemens3> MarioMey: so in your script first check if the file exists already, then move or delete it, then do your wget.
2558 [19:55:02] <clemens3> or actually, -O is perfect to overwrite the old one, why still need it..
2559 [19:55:05] <lildebby> jmcnaught, cron doesn't use much ram on my system, i'm just trying to make lightweight system as possible
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2561 [19:55:36] <lildebby> mostly i only run browser on my computer :D
2562 [19:56:13] <jmcnaught> lildebby: a better goal might be "lightweight as practically reasonable". I sincerely doubt you will notice any difference in performance with cron removed
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2565 [19:56:31] <jhutchins_wk> Your log files will eventually fill up the disk.
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2567 [19:57:06] <lildebby> yes, you probably right :)
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2569 [19:57:28] <teraflops> you can tell journalctl to not being persistent
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2571 [19:58:05] <teraflops> so every reboot logs vanish, not a great idea though
2572 [19:58:14] <MarioMey> Ok... I wanted to name the file with a specific name... but it's ok. With no option, it generates a file with the name of the url (long and ugly) and create .1, .2, .3 files. It's ok.
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2574 [19:58:26] <MarioMey> Thanks, clemens3 and ola.
2575 [19:58:31] <MarioMey> Bye.
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2577 [19:58:43] <njumdl2014> Hello all, I have installed libc6-dbg in my stretch. Where is the libc.so with debugging information?
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2582 [19:59:39] <jmcnaught> lildebby: for any package that you want to remove I would look at it with "apt-cache show <package> | grep Priority" and if it's not optional or extra, you probably shouldn't remove it
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2584 [19:59:54] <clemens3> lildebby: i am not on debian, but i actually can turn off cron.. /etc/init.d/cron stop
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2586 [20:00:19] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: 'dpkg -L libc6-dbg' will list you the package contents.
2587 [20:00:31] <clemens3> in /etc/cron.daily/weekly you can see what services are run by it.. if you dont need it :)
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2589 [20:01:00] <lildebby> ok i will look
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2591 [20:01:21] <DoctorD90> hello! im under lxde. During Installation it doesnt request me localhost name(or maybe I forget). It was localhost, I used hostnamectl to edit. Now each time I use sudo, it writes "cant connect to". Now I resetted to localhost, but some program tells me that it has some erroru running on localhost.localdomain. How to fix it?
2592 [20:01:23] <clemens3> but linux/unix without cron, isn-t really linux anymore, sounds more like you look for some real time operating system
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2596 [20:02:33] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: put a line in /etc/hosts "127.0.1.1 hostname.example.com hostname"
2597 [20:02:50] <jmcnaught> don't remove the line for localhost though
2598 [20:03:00] <lildebby> real time operating system ? :D
2599 [20:03:01] <DoctorD90> i go to open it...
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2601 [20:03:14] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Can you paste your contents of /etc/hostname and /etc/hosts to replaced-url
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2604 [20:03:47] <DoctorD90> hi petn-randall :P I try....
2605 [20:04:33] <clemens3> lildebby: yes, where your software has a garanty it will run in a certain time. is handy when you programm airlines..
2606 [20:04:46] <clemens3> airlines=airliners
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2608 [20:05:18] <lildebby> clemens3, any examples of such os?
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2613 [20:06:03] <clemens3> lildebby: i have to google myself, certainly no windows, unix/macos, or android
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2617 [20:07:25] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught petn-randall it is a very basic hosts file. 127.0.0.1 localhost + ipv6 lines (::1 localhost ip6-localhost ip6-loopback, ff02::1 ip6-allnodes and ff02::2 ip6-allrouters)
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2620 [20:08:05] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Do paste it though, no need for interpretation then.
2621 [20:08:08] <lildebby> clemens3, i just want to make my debian barebones as possible. I only use firefox on my home computer
2622 [20:08:35] <petn-randall> lildebby: Then realtime capabilities are not what you're looking for.
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2627 [20:10:26] <njumdl2014> petn-randall: if I want to use original binary file - libc.so.24 and its debugging information to create one binary with debugging information, is it possible?
2628 [20:10:36] <lildebby> in etc/cron.weekly i have only "0anacron apt-compat bsdmainutils dpkg logrotate man-db passwd"
2629 [20:10:44] <clemens3> lildebby: leave cron where it is.. firefox is a resource hog, cron itself wont be a problem at all. Turn all other services off, email, apache whatever.. that is good idea for security reason
2630 [20:10:57] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: What is your ultimate goal?
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2633 [20:12:03] <DoctorD90> petn-randall jmcnaught paste.debian.net/979711 (ho ho..looks like as id number :P)
2634 [20:12:06] <clemens3> lildebby: only real time os i ever heard of was qnx.. and symbian for nokia phones to my surprise is also an RTOS
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2637 [20:12:32] <clemens3> lildebby: otherwise they are all used for embedded stuff to control machines and sensor data
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2639 [20:12:38] <njumdl2014> petn-randall: I am doing experiment in a crash of chromium. I need a binary with debugging information to create one .sym file in order to aid debugging of chromium.
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2642 [20:14:24] <lildebby> ok :)
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2644 [20:14:55] <petn-randall> njumdl2014: I'm not that good at debugging at debugging C programs, but it should be enough to just start chromium with gdb and then let it crash. You'll then get a full backtrace with annotations which code lines were called.
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2650 [20:18:41] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught petn-randall so? how can I edit @hostname in a way that it will not give any kind of error?
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2654 [20:19:50] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: And what are the contents of /etc/hostname?
2655 [20:20:01] <DoctorD90> 1 sec...
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2658 [20:20:20] <DoctorD90> at moment 'localhost'
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2663 [20:21:32] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: Well, it's not changed, but it should work. Can you show us the errors you get? command + full output to replaced-url
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2665 [20:21:36] <DoctorD90> what should I do to edit @localhost in terminal to @whatIwant for example? using hostnamectl set-hostname whatiwant and add 127.0.0.1 whatiwant in /etc/hosts? :)
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2667 [20:22:02] <greycat> DoctorD90: do you want something like this? replaced-url
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2670 [20:22:35] <DoctorD90> petn-randall it doesnt giving more on command line, but on program like screensaver, probably because since I resetted to localhost with hostnamectl command I havent restarted yet :P
2671 [20:23:04] <DoctorD90> greycat ?? 0o
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2673 [20:23:19] <DoctorD90> dinner...afk....i will be back soon..
2674 [20:23:51] <kaboutur> I'm going to try to make a decent comparison between devuan and debian stable this week.
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2681 [20:27:23] <kruug> kaboutur: post it to /r/devuan
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2689 [20:33:27] <Tom01> Why is the clipboard not working on Debian 8 Gnome?
2690 [20:33:50] <teraflops> Tom01: you mean why is not working there?
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2692 [20:34:10] <Tom01> no copy & paste possible
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2694 [20:34:43] <teraflops> do you know if there's a known bug?
2695 [20:35:43] <greycat> I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone else making this claim, and there must have been hundred or thousands of Debian 8 GNOME users here.
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2698 [20:36:47] <teraflops> Tom01: also, no copy paste at all, or for some apps?
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2700 [20:37:01] <Tom01> teraflops: all apps
2701 [20:37:19] <greycat> If you open two terminals and copy from one to the other, what happens?
2702 [20:37:39] <greycat> Also, are you sure you actually know how to copy/paste in X? It's not like MS Windows.
2703 [20:37:50] <teraflops> Tom01: are you using stock debian oldstable?
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2705 [20:38:08] <Tom01> teraflops: Debian 8 stable
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2707 [20:38:18] <greycat> Debian 8 is oldstable currently.
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2710 [20:38:47] <teraflops> Tom01: do you have experience in using linux/gnome? sorry for asking ^
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2713 [20:39:32] <Tom01> I know how to click on paste and on copy.
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2716 [20:40:08] <greycat> You copy by highlighting text with the first mouse button. You paste the highlighted text by pressing the middle mouse button.
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2718 [20:40:36] <greycat> There's no explicit "copy the highlighted text to the clipboard" step in X.
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2721 [20:41:16] <Tom01> there is
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2723 [20:41:48] <Tom01> But paste is greyed.
2724 [20:42:01] <greycat> sounds like you're using bloody gnome apps :(
2725 [20:42:07] <greycat> try it in two xterms
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2786 [21:06:02] <fsociety[00]dat> Hi all; I downloaded 'debian-9.1.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso' file and I want to get information about the packages' signatures ( KEY ID for example ). My start point is 'pool' directory and I want to do this for all packages then import the results if possible. (sorry for asking again)
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2788 [21:07:36] <jmcnaught> fsociety[00]dat: the keys used to sign packages are in the debian-archive-keyring package, you shouldn't need to manually import the keys
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2792 [21:08:37] <Murda> Is there any good guide that shows me how to unlocky luks encrypted system by using USB key
2793 [21:08:38] <fsociety[00]dat> there is no way to see them from a .deb package?
2794 [21:08:49] <zerocool> anyone here familiar with kvm?
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2796 [21:09:47] <zerocool> i am getting really slow installs, in fact everything might be really slow... it literally took 6 hours to install windows 7 from an iso on an ssd to a 6 disk btrfs raid 10 array
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2800 [21:10:40] <colinjmatt> zerocool: what (if any) kind of caching have you set for the virtual disk?
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2802 [21:10:49] <zerocool> google says i need to tune kvm and mentions the command 'qemu', i do not have this but i have like every qemu package that it suppose to have it :/
2803 [21:11:10] <zerocool> colinjmatt: i don't think i have any
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2807 [21:11:39] <colinjmatt> that may be the reason behind slow disk performance. try setting writeback or writethrough
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2809 [21:12:10] <colinjmatt> it may not be the exact reason it's slow for you, but that sorted it for me
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2816 [21:13:50] <zerocool> colinjmatt: heh im not even sure how to do that... i have a lot of learning to do
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2819 [21:14:05] <colinjmatt> are you starting qemu from the command line?
2820 [21:14:21] <zerocool> using virt-manager...
2821 [21:14:33] <zerocool> which has like on off button and that's it
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2823 [21:15:11] <zerocool> any idea about that qemu command though, `which qemu` yields nothing, debian 9.
2824 [21:15:20] <zerocool> or do i even need the qemu command?
2825 [21:15:30] <colinjmatt> ahhh so you're using the GUI. you should be able to go into the settings of the VM using virt-manager and set it there
2826 [21:15:51] <colinjmatt> zerocool: If you're using virt-manager, you won't need to interact with Qemu directly
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2831 [21:17:07] <teraflops> zerocool: are you sure your system supports/has virtualization settings enabled? for getting hw accel
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2833 [21:17:49] <teraflops> I also suppose youre not doing nested virtualization
2834 [21:17:57] <zerocool> teraflops: to be honest im not sure, i always turn it on when i see it in bios and i know i've been through the bios on this server a million times
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2836 [21:18:05] <zerocool> good point, i'll have to check
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2838 [21:18:18] <zerocool> but even still 6 hours for an install seems insane
2839 [21:18:25] <teraflops> yep
2840 [21:18:31] <zerocool> even if i was writing to a stone and chisel drive
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2842 [21:18:49] <teraflops> which driver are you using for storage?
2843 [21:18:55] <teraflops> on the guest
2844 [21:19:23] <teraflops> virtIO is strongly suggested
2845 [21:19:30] <stree> the virtio drivers and mice
2846 [21:19:57] <teraflops> something is going funky there
2847 [21:20:07] <zerocool> teraflops: im not sure how to check
2848 [21:20:22] <teraflops> try cheking if KVM module is loaded
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2850 [21:20:39] <teraflops> and BIOS/FW virtualization settings
2851 [21:20:53] <jmcnaught> zerocool: what does 'virsh -c qemu:///system dumpxml <domain> | grep emulator' say?
2852 [21:20:59] <teraflops> also which OS are you installing?
2853 [21:21:19] <zerocool> teraflops: windows 7 pro and debian jessie so far
2854 [21:21:36] <teraflops> both having same issue?
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2857 [21:21:58] <zerocool> yes sir
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2863 [21:25:30] <zerocool> i've tried that command a lot and it's not working right, if i enter virsh and help it gives me 28937921379793 options and i cant pipe it to less from inside so... brb
2864 [21:25:35] <zerocool> jmcnaught: ^
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2868 [21:26:30] <jmcnaught> zerocool: you just need to replace <domain> in my command with the name of the vm, run it from bash
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2876 [21:28:47] <zerocool> jmcnaught: k im back
2877 [21:28:51] <jmcnaught> zerocool: btrfs might also not be the best choice for /var/lib/libvirt/images (or wherever your image files are): replaced-url
2878 [21:28:51] <zerocool> '<emulator>/usr/bin/kvm</emulator>'
2879 [21:28:54] <zerocool> thanks
2880 [21:29:06] <teraflops> jmcnaught: indeed
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2882 [21:29:20] <teraflops> you can disable COW though
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2886 [21:29:59] <teraflops> but I dont think it takes that long even on slow mech hdd's
2887 [21:30:12] <jmcnaught> zerocool: I use an LVM volume group as my storage pool with libvirt, each domain gets its own logical volume
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2890 [21:30:33] <teraflops> zerocool: so are you running on btrfs?
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2894 [21:31:18] <teraflops> I do xfs for my kvm pools
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2898 [21:31:29] <zerocool> teraflops: yes the vd's are currently on a btrfs raid
2899 [21:31:37] <teraflops> zerocool: ssd?
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2901 [21:32:05] <zerocool> teraflops: 6x 7200 spinnys in raid10
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2903 [21:32:11] <teraflops> areplaced-url
2904 [21:32:20] <teraflops> at least disable COW
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2908 [21:32:41] <teraflops> and see if that helps
2909 [21:33:00] <zerocool> i need cow for the fs that the vd's are on, but i can try spinning up some machines to the ssd and see how that goes
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2911 [21:33:03] <zerocool> i do have the room
2912 [21:33:09] <zerocool> on the boot disk
2913 [21:33:11] <teraflops> unless youre using SSDs youll suffer a lot of pain :P
2914 [21:33:20] <teraflops> you can disable for files too
2915 [21:33:49] <zerocool> ah, disable cow on the vds? okay i'll look into that
2916 [21:34:02] <`Kevin> any potential for zfs? (not 100% sure of context here)
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2920 [21:34:35] <teraflops> zerocool: what youre doing is strongly discouraged, and well documented
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2922 [21:35:01] <zerocool> teraflops: keeping the vd's on a btrfs raid you mean?
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2924 [21:35:09] <teraflops> zerocool: yep, try it and see
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2928 [21:35:18] <teraflops> on btrfs fs
2929 [21:35:28] <teraflops> with cow enabled…
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2932 [21:35:58] <teraflops> even disabling COW it will perform slow if you ask me
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2934 [21:36:12] <zerocool> teraflops: this is how i learn :)
2935 [21:36:13] <teraflops> you better use SSD's on that scenario
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2938 [21:36:37] <teraflops> jmcnaught: good shot btw ;)
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2950 [21:38:54] <teraflops> `Kevin: no idea about zfs
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2960 [21:40:17] <jmcnaught> presumably anything with CoW will have problems. my domains slow to a crawl if a snapshot exists of the logical volume it's running on
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2963 [21:40:47] <`Kevin> ah k performance yea i read back
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2966 [21:41:12] <teraflops> xfs is great
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2970 [21:42:06] <`Kevin> yea CoW works but it has to be used sparingly its terrible if you are making multiple instances of something and then start doing writes
2971 [21:42:13] <`Kevin> xfs is great
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2973 [21:42:39] <`Kevin> zfs might be ideal here as it doesn't use CoW but has similar functionality
2974 [21:42:53] <`Kevin> but without the performance bottleneck of CoW
2975 [21:43:26] <zerocool> we use zfs on our production sans and it works just fine
2976 [21:43:34] <`Kevin> zfs will use pointers instead of CoW
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2978 [21:44:09] <zerocool> i use btrfs for file shares/folder-redirection and it works just fine too
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2982 [21:44:38] <teraflops> well, sure but you picked the worst scenario for storing VMs
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2984 [21:45:19] <zerocool> teraflops: yeah this is an experiment, it's part of learning, it's not production, it's not a big deal in other words.
2985 [21:45:26] <teraflops> I do btrfs partitionless and it works great, I just keep VMs in separated disk
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2988 [21:46:32] <teraflops> well, that's how we all learn for sure, testing stuff
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3005 [21:53:46] <zerocool> i have cow off on the vd's now and also im spinning up a new machine to a vd on the ssd
3006 [21:53:51] <zerocool> which is ext4
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3008 [21:54:48] <technoir> mess with the best..
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3010 [21:55:03] <kruug> die like the rest?
3011 [21:55:30] <zerocool> ;)
3012 [21:55:52] <teraflops> zerocool: well I dont think youll notice issues using the SSD, did you notice improvements on the HDDs with cow disabled?
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3016 [21:57:00] <zerocool> teraflops: so far... i'm giving the windows 7 machine it's updates to test it out... eventually i'll need to spin up another on that array to do an apples to apples
3017 [21:57:08] <teraflops> good ;)
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3019 [21:57:38] <zerocool> once the system is up it seems fine though... i mean a little slow but i think that's just my server struggling with graffix
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3021 [21:57:54] <zerocool> i can't test via rdp from here so it's hard to tell
3022 [21:58:07] <zerocool> but yeah the install to ssd is sooooooo fast
3023 [21:58:16] <zerocool> predictably
3024 [21:58:53] <teraflops> zerocool: oh I do virgl for workstations, it performs great (regarding graphics)
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3028 [22:00:53] <zerocool> teraflops: this server has enough trouble writing to console... im not sure what the chip is but it's a real piece. i'd throw athe cheapest video card in it if the only pcie slot wasn't taken by the boot disk
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3030 [22:01:33] <teraflops> heh
3031 [22:01:35] <zerocool> last night reinstall the system with x for the virt-manager, before that tried using kimchi webserver but it was not nice at all
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3034 [22:02:28] <zerocool> sorry kimchi web frontend not webserver
3035 [22:02:37] <teraflops> zerocool: you know you can connect remotely to virt-manager?
3036 [22:02:52] <teraflops> from, lets say, your laptop
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3042 [22:03:31] <teraflops> you just need to setup ssh keys
3043 [22:03:39] <zerocool> i'd have to open a port in my firewall etc, it's not on my lan so i'm tv'd into the server
3044 [22:03:54] <teraflops> ah
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3046 [22:04:02] <zerocool> and im tv'd from a windows workstation
3047 [22:04:05] <zerocool> my life is complicated
3048 [22:04:13] <teraflops> heh
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3052 [22:05:02] <zerocool> this is a terrible setup though i have a 1024x768 crt connected to the server so that's all i get out of my tv connection x_x
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3054 [22:05:21] <teraflops> ^
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3071 [22:12:28] <zerocool> thank you for your help by the way, everyone.
3072 [22:12:42] <teraflops> np
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3082 [22:14:24] <DoctorD90> guys im reading a little bit of docs...I find out some errors. How could I edit it or how could I warn about these errors?
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3084 [22:14:46] <greycat> What errors are you talking about?
3085 [22:15:00] <DoctorD90> greycat replaced-url
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3088 [22:15:20] <greycat> .it. meaning Italian? I doubt I can help you with that.
3089 [22:15:24] <DoctorD90> for example, about naming of actual stable
3090 [22:15:33] <DoctorD90> yes
3091 [22:15:45] <DoctorD90> im italian :P
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3097 [22:16:16] <DoctorD90> even if my perfect english could hide my origin u.u ahahah ;)
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3099 [22:16:20] <petn-randall> !it
3100 [22:16:21] <dpkg> Ciao, vai su #debian-it per ricevere aiuto in italiano. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help.
3101 [22:16:40] <petn-randall> DoctorD90: You could try asking in the channel above. I imagine some of them might now where the translations come from.
3102 [22:16:43] <greycat> The English translation also stops at "wheezy for release 7" in the 6.2.1 section, if that's what you're talking about.
3103 [22:16:44] <DoctorD90> ok I will ask there ;) thx petn-randall ^^
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3106 [22:17:35] <greycat> Oh, you mean the second paragraph of the 6.2 section.
3107 [22:17:43] <DoctorD90> yea greycat but some section or subsection are neither translated....maybe in spare time, I could do something :)
3108 [22:17:50] <greycat> Looks like the translations are not up to date. I don't know who's responsible for those.
3109 [22:17:57] <DoctorD90> 6.2.1
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3112 [22:18:11] <greycat> 6.2.1 seems the same-ish between .en. and .it.
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3115 [22:18:59] <DoctorD90> I have some trouble in english, because i dont study it well...but I understand 80-90% so I could give an help sometimes ^^
3116 [22:19:00] <greycat> Oh, you mean it's not translated *at all*. Yeah, no wonder it seems similar.
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3121 [22:19:56] <greycat> replaced-url
3122 [22:19:57] <DoctorD90> one of these days, i have to read documentation if I want to improve my debian/linux skills :P so....I could give an hand :D
3123 [22:20:08] <DoctorD90> great! thx :D
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3133 [22:25:43] <DoctorD90> why Guest7
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3135 [22:25:53] <DoctorD90> why Guest68166 runs a dcc chat to me? 0o
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3195 [22:53:50] <njumdl2014> Could you guys recommand some open source libdisassembler on Debian? It is great if it is easy to learn and modify
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3220 [23:02:38] <petn-randall> pie3: Yes, you can easily program it in a way to act as a server with a config switch, and act as a client otherwise. This isn't really ontopic in here, though.
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3222 [23:02:55] <petn-randall> pie3: I recommend asking in the channel for your respective programming language for help.
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3233 [23:09:50] <rudi_s> njumdl2014: What is a libdisassembler?
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3237 [23:10:43] <njumdl2014> disassembler library, for example, libdisassembler, libopcodes in binutils and so on
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3239 [23:11:09] <njumdl2014> libdisassembler is out of data and not maintained
3240 [23:11:56] <rudi_s> I've only used objdump -d, ndisasm (from nasm) and radare2 as disassemblers. But never looked if they are implemented as library.
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3250 [23:16:59] <njumdl2014> There is one disassembler - opdis in the binutils, it uses libopcodes as its disassembler library.
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3252 [23:17:14] <njumdl2014> But it seems not easy to learn and modify the source code
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3270 [23:28:34] <rudi_s> njumdl2014: You could look at radare2 which also contains a disassembler and is in active development, but I don't know the code of the disassembler itself.
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3272 [23:29:12] <rudi_s> However if you really want to learn assembly and instruction decode, why not write an assembler from scratch? Take the intel instruction manual (for example) and start writing.
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3281 [23:34:36] <Hoolootwo> capstone is a versatile framework for disassembly, so that could be usable
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