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54 [00:35:17] <ksk> Hey. im running debian 8 inside ubuntu lxd and having problems with some getty* services I cannot really identify: replaced-url
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58 [00:36:11] <ksk> as I understand that service is trying to create that ttys and is having problems? Any Idea how to fix that? -- On the other hand, do I need a tty in a CT at all?
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73 [00:45:21] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hi guys
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75 [00:45:55] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hi cabanas I
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98 [01:01:11] <Mr-irc-worldwide> Hihihi
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118 [01:12:27] <_root_> hi
119 [01:12:28] <_root_> I flush all of my iptables rules and I confirm I have nothing in there by the **iptables -L** command just to see it returns to what was in there in a matter of seconds. Why?
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133 [01:18:45] <petn-randall> _root_: That's not what happens on a default Debian machine.
134 [01:19:00] <petn-randall> _root_: What distro are you running?
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138 [01:22:50] <_root_> debian
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143 [01:25:20] <petn-randall> _root_: And what service did you install that automatically re-instates the firewall?
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147 [01:26:58] <petn-randall> _root_: How are you flushing the iptables rules though?
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149 [01:27:56] <_root_> replaced-url
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156 [01:29:47] <_root_> petn-randall, it is an script
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172 [01:41:24] <farmer> Hi all. I have been pulling my hair out. I can PSAD to work locally on my machine. But when im trying to implement it into a Jessie server it seems to fail to make the iptable rules for banning. I can see the iptable logs in the syslog also. Any ideas?
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199 [01:56:19] <wjtaylor> is there a way to recursively set all directories to 755 and all files to 640?
200 [01:56:50] <badargo> hey! when i type whatis fdisk i get a return, but which fdisk, type fdisk, fdisk --help, help fdisk, and even fdisk command dont return. so whats going on? is it uninstalled? i looked for apt search fdisk but couldnt find one either :S
201 [01:57:50] <badargo> wjtaylor: u could set the umask value like that
202 [01:58:19] <badargo> then if u try to give all files a permission above umask value they would be set like that i supose
203 [01:58:36] <wjtaylor> Is there a way to recursively set all directories to 755 and all files to 640?
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209 [01:59:32] <Brigo> badargo, it seems to me fdisk is unintalled or out of the path
210 [01:59:54] <dsc_> wjtaylor: find /my_directory/ -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \;
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212 [02:00:01] <Brigo> it belongs to util-linux package
213 [02:00:07] <dsc_> wjtaylor: find /my_directory/ -type f -exec chmod 640 {} \;
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218 [02:00:48] <LtL> badargo: try man fdisk
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227 [02:02:09] <Brigo> LtL, it will only prove the manpage is there (which it is because whatis uses the manpage)
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229 [02:02:35] <badargo> dpkg -l fdisk ?
230 [02:02:35] <dpkg> ii fdisk 1.4-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package
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235 [02:03:32] <badargo> dpkg -L fdisk tells me its not installed :P
236 [02:03:32] <dpkg> No packages found matching fdisk tells me its not installed :P
237 [02:03:40] <badargo> ayy im learning linux
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240 [02:03:59] <LtL> badargo: try /sbin/fdisk with no arguments
241 [02:04:08] <Brigo> badargo, there is not such package, fdisk is in util-linux package
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243 [02:04:18] <badargo> ohh
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246 [02:05:14] <wjtaylor> test
247 [02:05:54] <wjtaylor> how can i recursively set all directories to 755 and files to 640. Sorry for the multiple post. IRC client was froze...
248 [02:05:57] <badargo> find returned /usr/share/bash-completion/completions/fdisk
249 [02:05:57] <badargo> /usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
250 [02:06:23] <badargo> i have o idea what that mean tho
251 [02:06:37] <LtL> badargo: whereis fdisk
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253 [02:07:25] <badargo> LtL: fdisk: /sbin/fdisk /usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
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255 [02:07:45] <LtL> badargo: then you have it
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257 [02:08:15] <badargo> but bash doesnt know it...
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260 [02:08:53] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ fdisk -l
261 [02:08:53] <badargo> bash: fdisk: command not found
262 [02:09:13] <LtL> badargo: its not in your path
263 [02:09:16] <wjtaylor> badargo: su to root
264 [02:09:35] <LtL> wjtaylor: example, find /var/replaced-url
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266 [02:09:56] <wjtaylor> LtL: gracias
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269 [02:10:13] <LtL> wjtaylor: de nada
270 [02:10:17] <badargo> wow... sudo fdisk -l work
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272 [02:10:28] <badargo> LtL: brasileiro?
273 [02:10:39] <badargo> but fdisk dont ask me if im root...
274 [02:10:41] <LtL> badargo: american
275 [02:10:54] <LtL> wjtaylor: example find /var/replaced-url
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277 [02:11:42] <LtL> badargo: it won't work without root permission
278 [02:12:06] <wjtaylor> badargo: sudo works like a su to root....
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281 [02:12:44] <badargo> yes but when its a permission issue, most commands ask u if u are root. they dont say "command not found"
282 [02:13:31] <badargo> wjtaylor: sudo means "super user do..."
283 [02:13:45] <LtL> badargo: fdisk is old school it doesn't bother
284 [02:14:16] <LtL> badargo: it won't work, thats all that metters
285 [02:14:24] <wjtaylor> I *think* (and it's been a while since I've used deb), that it's in /sbin and /sbin is only in the path of root.
286 [02:14:24] <LtL> *matters
287 [02:14:32] <wjtaylor> But I could be making that all up.
288 [02:14:46] <LtL> wjtaylor: no, you are correct
289 [02:15:12] <badargo> wjtaylor: sudo fdisk -l worked , out of super user account that is, dont know if that means anything tho
290 [02:15:35] <LtL> badargo: sudo has root power
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292 [02:15:47] <badargo> LtL: im not trying to use fdisk.. just curious because terminal aint responding as it should :P
293 [02:15:49] <wjtaylor> so when you sudo you are giving yourself root priveleges but keep your user id.
294 [02:16:31] <badargo> and why dpkkg -l says fdisk is not installed? i will sudo that too
295 [02:16:52] <LtL> badargo: just typing /sbin/fdisk should give you a page of help.
296 [02:17:03] <wjtaylor> I think dpkkg requires elevated priveleges also.
297 [02:17:27] <wjtaylor> apt-get does
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299 [02:19:06] <badargo> sudo dpkg, sudo type, sudo which, sudo lol sudo fdisk shows me, but just fdisk prints nothing
300 [02:19:29] <N0rthlight> hey all. Is there a online list of the apps available on the official repository?
301 [02:19:35] <badargo> oops all wrong sorry... i meant sudo which fdisk work, but just which fdisk dont
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303 [02:19:53] <LtL> badargo: just typing /sbin/fdisk should give you a page of help. EOF
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308 [02:21:42] <badargo> LtL: yes, sudo fdisk --help work the same
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311 [02:22:21] <LtL> badargo: because sudo changes your environment.
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315 [02:23:55] <badargo> LtL: what these 1.gz files, gzip data compression hold exactly?
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317 [02:25:04] <LtL> badargo: i do not know, where are they? if they are text use zcat 1.gz, not sure type `stat 1.gz` may tell you
318 [02:25:33] <LtL> *zcat sorry badargo
319 [02:25:46] <LtL> nm
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321 [02:26:33] <badargo> LtL: when i want to find where a program is, it ends up in a *.1.gz file very often
322 [02:27:22] <LtL> badargo: i have never heard of that, where does that file appear?
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324 [02:28:30] <LtL> badargo: using 'whereis' is better, find is better for particular filenames
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326 [02:28:46] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis fdisk
327 [02:28:46] <badargo> fdisk: /sbin/fdisk /usr/share/man/man8/fdisk.8.gz
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329 [02:29:03] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis tilda
330 [02:29:03] <badargo> tilda: /usr/bin/tilda /usr/share/man/man1/tilda.1.gz
331 [02:29:47] <badargo> badargo@debian:~$ whereis buckle
332 [02:29:48] <badargo> buckle: /usr/games/buckle /usr/share/buckle /usr/share/man/man1/buckle.1.gz
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334 [02:30:18] <LtL> badargo: those look like symlinks, i would ignore then
335 [02:30:18] <badargo> see?
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337 [02:30:38] <th0r> badargo: those are the man pages
338 [02:31:15] <badargo> rly? but i dont think buckle and tilda have a man page...
339 [02:31:22] <badargo> omg they have hah
340 [02:31:49] <LtL> badargo: you arent creating them, they are already there as far as i know
341 [02:32:20] <badargo> yes, they are compressed... man pages then, i acording to th0r
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343 [02:33:01] <LtL> badargo: he is right
344 [02:33:10] <th0r> badargo: you could unpack them with gunzip, but don't unpack the original, make a copy
345 [02:33:32] <badargo> i will do it now
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354 [02:38:31] <badargo> yes thats a man text file :P noicee
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365 [02:54:30] <badargo> hey
366 [02:54:42] <badargo> command jobs is acting weird just like fdisk too
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369 [02:55:33] <badargo> type jobs tell me its a bash built in command. but bash dont run it or find it :S
370 [02:56:26] <LtL> badargo: jobs will say nothing if there are none
371 [02:56:34] <badargo> help jobs work
372 [02:56:46] <badargo> i got a process running in the background
373 [02:56:53] <badargo> it should be listing it right?
374 [02:56:57] <LtL> badargo: type fg
375 [02:57:05] <LtL> yes
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377 [02:57:19] <badargo> current: no such a job 0.o
378 [02:57:53] <badargo> but if i ps aux i can find it sitting there... its making my keyboard sound like an pre historic ibm :P
379 [02:57:59] <LtL> badargo: try `ps aux` for the job name
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384 [02:59:13] <petn-randall> badargo: Are you sure it's backgrounded?
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391 [03:01:28] <badargo> well when i started it i typed buckle & and enter to hide it petn-randall
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395 [03:02:40] <petn-randall> badargo: You can bring processes to the foreground with 'fg'. But in your case maybe the process forked, and the old process exited cleanly?
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400 [03:03:59] <badargo> petn-randall: well, buclçe is still running , it makes they keyboard sound like an pre historic ibm typewritter :P and its on ps aux too
401 [03:04:09] <badargo> but fg doesnt reveal it tho
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403 [03:04:25] <petn-randall> badargo: it only works on the same terminal you backgrounded it, though.
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405 [03:04:49] <badargo> ohh
406 [03:04:56] <badargo> i will kill it and try fg again then
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409 [03:05:36] <badargo> ohhh not it shows me petn-randall :D
410 [03:05:39] <badargo> why?
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414 [03:07:44] <badargo> petn-randall: and how do i get back to the foreground and close it?
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420 [03:09:46] <badargo> ohh i type regular_command process and enter huh
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425 [03:11:07] <petn-randall> badargo: Try it with 'sleep 300 &' first. It can be that 'buckle' spawns a new process, then exits the original one. In that case you job control only knows about the first process, but that exited already.
426 [03:11:12] <zeratul976> Hi there. The Internet has stopped working on a local machine running Debian. It's not my connection (other computers on the same connection work fine), and a restart didn't help. Any suggestions for how to diagnose the problem?
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428 [03:12:33] <mutante> zeratul976: first, test the connection from the machine to the local router, assuming a router does the actual Internet connection. so for example try opening the router's web interface with replaced-url
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430 [03:13:31] <mutante> or telnet or ICMP (ping) or netcat or nmap ...
431 [03:14:30] <zeratul976> mutante: it cannot connect to the router, either
432 [03:14:41] <LtL> badargo: i see a bucklespring package not buckle, is that the executable name, buckle? ctrl^c kills it once you 'fg' it
433 [03:14:52] <badargo> LtL: yes
434 [03:15:13] <badargo> its bucklespring
435 [03:15:18] <badargo> but u run it with buckle
436 [03:15:36] <mutante> zeratul976: next thing i would try simply replacing the ethernet cable
437 [03:15:55] <zeratul976> mutante: tried that too. it doesn't work with a different cable, either
438 [03:16:42] <badargo> Penix: regular_command shouldnt bring a process back to the foreground?
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440 [03:16:56] <th0r> zeratul976: check for the interface status on the debian box.
441 [03:17:03] <mutante> zeratul976: it's possible the network card actually broke. maybe not super common, but possible. try checking /var/log/syslog and "dmesg" for hardware fails maybe
442 [03:17:11] <stree> the status of it if you dont even have to do work
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445 [03:17:19] <mutante> zeratul976: unless you are aware of any software upgrades
446 [03:17:45] <zeratul976> th0r: how do i check that?
447 [03:17:56] <mutante> zeratul976: what th0r said, "ip link show"
448 [03:18:34] <mutante> if you get NO-CARRIER you know it's more a physical issue, the cable or switch port or so
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455 [03:19:51] <mutante> yea, you could also try using another port on the router and then manually run a DHCP client
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458 [03:20:43] <zeratul976> th0r: here is the output of "ip link show": replaced-url
459 [03:21:35] <badargo> hey! why %n is not numbering the processes running in the background?
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461 [03:22:59] <mutante> zeratul976: so the interesting part is "state UP" .. this tells us it's more an issue on the router
462 [03:23:10] <mutante> since there is a link but it won't talk to it
463 [03:23:10] <th0r> zeratul976: check "ip eth0" and see if you got an ip address
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465 [03:23:31] <mutante> maybe the DHCP server is out of IP addresses
466 [03:23:49] <zeratul976> th0r: "ip eth0" says 'Object "eth0" is unknwon, try "ip help".'
467 [03:24:18] <likcoras> ip a show eth0
468 [03:24:23] <th0r> try ifconfig....I still use jessie...ip is a new command
469 [03:25:35] <abrotman> no, ip is not a new command
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471 [03:26:09] <zeratul976> likcoras: here is "ip a show eth0": replaced-url
472 [03:26:36] <th0r> it is only now being pushed. I think it came in with systemd, which by the way just received a Pwnie award for poor software design
473 [03:26:44] <zeratul976> mutante: another computer connected to the same router is working fine
474 [03:27:09] <likcoras> zeratul976: what about ip r? you can't ping the router at all?
475 [03:27:35] <zeratul976> likcoras: no, i cannot ping the router at all
476 [03:28:02] <likcoras> Hm. How are you setting up your networking? Just /etc/network/interfaces? networkmanager?
477 [03:28:31] <zeratul976> likcoras: i believe it's networkmanager. i didn't have to do any setup
478 [03:28:44] <mutante> zeratul976: what is the IP of the router?
479 [03:28:57] <zeratul976> mutante: 192.168.0.1
480 [03:29:00] <likcoras> you installed some DE, right? if so, probably.
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483 [03:29:07] <zeratul976> likcoras: yes, KDE
484 [03:29:22] <petn-randall> abrotman: Depends on how old you are ;)
485 [03:29:31] <zeratul976> likcoras: btw. here's "ip r": replaced-url
486 [03:29:32] <likcoras> And networkmanager reports that it's connected?
487 [03:29:35] <mutante> zeratul976: so "ping 192.168.0.1" is 100% packet loss? or a reply or something in between?
488 [03:29:47] <zeratul976> likcoras: yes
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490 [03:29:51] <zeratul976> mutante: 100% packet loss
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495 [03:32:05] <mxh-> zeratul976: `$ sudo iwconfig <interface>` should show if something is off
496 [03:32:05] <th0r> zeratul976: It looks like you got an ip address from the router. Would like to know what gateway address you are using
497 [03:32:26] <mutante> so now we are talking wireless? that's new
498 [03:32:40] <mxh-> assumption on my end
499 [03:32:44] <mutante> cables have been tested earlier
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501 [03:32:49] <zeratul976> it's ethernet, not wireless
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503 [03:33:21] <mutante> the gateway isn't reachable
504 [03:33:23] <zeratul976> mxh-: i don't have a command named "iwconfig". do you mean perhaps "ifconfig"?
505 [03:33:29] <mxh-> sudo ifconfig <interface> then :)
506 [03:33:33] <zeratul976> th0r: how do i check the gateway address?
507 [03:33:51] <likcoras> gateway is 192.168.0.1, as shown in ip r
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511 [03:34:26] <mutante> he has 192.168.0.100 on eth0, the network is a /24, he still cant reach 0.1 at all
512 [03:34:28] <th0r> missed the aste :)
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514 [03:34:55] <th0r> (paste)
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518 [03:35:48] <zeratul976> mxh-: here is "ifconfig eth0": replaced-url
519 [03:35:57] <mutante> when it starts to get "weird" like that, is it time for "something MTU-size"
520 [03:35:59] <likcoras> Hm, I'd check the firewall, then. What does iptables-save say?
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522 [03:36:13] <zeratul976> likcoras: it's empty
523 [03:36:16] <likcoras> welp.
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526 [03:36:44] <mutante> how about talking to 192.168.0.100 from one of the other machiens
527 [03:36:52] <mutante> or from here to another machine on the LAN
528 [03:37:17] <mutante> maybe "traceroute 192.168.0.1" ?
529 [03:37:31] <mutante> i don't assume there is any hop in between , but you never know
530 [03:37:35] <th0r> zeratul976: in one terminal start 'watch ifconfig' and in a second terminal start a ping to the router.
531 [03:37:40] <zeratul976> mutante: pinging 192.168.0.100 from another machine works fine
532 [03:38:04] <th0r> zeratul976: see if packets go out, and if they come in
533 [03:38:17] <mutante> you can do that with tcpdump ^
534 [03:38:22] <likcoras> zeratul976: run it as root. It prints nothing if not root.
535 [03:38:58] <zeratul976> likcoras: it prints nothing as root, too
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537 [03:39:07] <likcoras> Huh, alright.
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540 [03:40:22] <zeratul976> th0r: i see the packet counts after "RX packets" and "TX packets" increasing, if that's what you mean
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543 [03:41:46] <mutante> you don't know if it always was IP .100, do you
544 [03:41:49] <th0r> zeratul976: if they are both increasing I suspect the ethernet card is not passing incoming to the computer
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546 [03:42:31] <zeratul976> mutante: not sure
547 [03:42:33] <th0r> zeratul976: the ping is coming back, but not being recognized.
548 [03:42:49] <zeratul976> Interestingly, I managed to ssh in from another computer, though it took quite a bit longer than usual to connect.
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550 [03:43:19] <zeratul976> Can't ssh in the other direction, though
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552 [03:43:33] <mutante> if you ping from that other computer, is it something like 50% loss?
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554 [03:43:49] <mutante> because that slowness would be typical for some loss
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556 [03:44:05] <th0r> zeratul976: could there be a second computer with the same ip?
557 [03:44:21] <zeratul976> mutante: at the moment i'm seeing 0% loss
558 [03:44:30] <mutante> i think at this point i would try giving it another IP , manually
559 [03:44:38] <zeratul976> th0r: nope. only the one other computer on the network, and it's IP is .101
560 [03:44:40] <mutante> one i know isnt used
561 [03:45:47] <zeratul976> mutante: how would I do that?
562 [03:45:53] <mutante> hrmm.. are the computers the same? i assume the NIC is onboard or i would say to try plugging in the NIC in the other computer and vice versa
563 [03:46:13] <zeratul976> mutante: nope, one laptop, one desktop
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566 [03:46:57] <mutante> zeratul976: replaced-url
567 [03:48:11] <mutante> ip addr add 196.168.102/24 dev eth0
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570 [03:48:34] <mutante> if you replace "add" with "del" you can remove the old one
571 [03:48:43] <abrotman> petn-randall: yes, I suppose. I don't recall the 'ip' command when I started using Debian :)
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576 [03:50:25] <zeratul976> mutante: that didn't seem to help
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578 [03:51:31] <mutante> zeratul976: ugh,then i am starting to run out of ideas, you can reboot it again to revert the manual changes.. it's starting to sound more like actual hardware fail, especially if it used to work all the time before without major changes
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582 [03:52:34] <mutante> zeratul976: you probably dont have another network card for a PCI slot or so? then you could just test that
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587 [03:54:19] <zeratul976> mutante: rebooted again (no change). i notice "dmesg" contains "firmware: failed to load rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw (-2)". is that relevant?
588 [03:54:41] <mutante> zeratul976: yes, i think it is relevant!
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592 [03:55:32] <mutante> that is your "driver". But if this used to work and now it stopped working, i guess it can also just be a symptom of broken nic
593 [03:55:41] <abrotman> judd: file rtl8168e-3.fw
594 [03:55:47] <judd> Search for rtl8168e-3.fw in stretch/amd64: firmware-realtek: lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw
595 [03:55:58] <abrotman> zeratul976: is the firmware-realtek package installed?
596 [03:56:09] <mutante> zeratul976: you didn't just upgrade that machine to stretch or something like that, right
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599 [03:56:40] <zeratul976> mutante: no upgrade, still running jessie
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601 [03:56:55] <zeratul976> abrotman: it does not appear to be installed. unfortunately, without a connection, i can't install it...
602 [03:57:20] <abrotman> usb drives are nifty
603 [03:57:23] <abrotman> or
604 [03:57:26] <abrotman> !firmware images
605 [03:57:26] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
606 [03:57:43] <zeratul976> I wonder, how did it get uninstalled, though?
607 [03:57:47] <mutante> i wonder how that package can "disappear"
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610 [03:58:30] <mutante> zeratul976: there is /var/log/apt/history.log maybe worth a shot .. did something uninstall it?
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612 [03:59:00] <wjtaylor> is there an easy way to unrar a file?
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614 [03:59:49] <abrotman> yes, use the unrar command
615 [03:59:50] <zeratul976> mutante: i don't see any recent removals in there, not any mention of "firmware" or "realtek"
616 [03:59:56] <abrotman> dpkg: tell wjtaylor about unrar
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619 [04:01:14] <zeratul976> mutante: anyways, so is the idea to (1) download the .deb for firmware-realtek from replaced-url
620 [04:01:22] <mutante> zeratul976: mysterious.. but i would try to USB flash drive method to manually copy that deb and install it with dpkg -i
621 [04:01:31] <mutante> zeratul976: yes
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624 [04:02:25] <rebekah> how is journalctl supposed to work with units... for instance, i would expect journalctl -u sshd to only output journal entries for the sshd serivce, but instead it just says 'no entries', does this work differently than my understanding?
625 [04:03:07] <zeratul976> mutante: restart required afterwards?
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628 [04:03:57] <mutante> zeratul976: i think technically not, if you use "modprobe" with the right module name, but it might be easier to just do it
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632 [04:08:33] <zeratul976> mutante: restarted, that error from dmesg is gone. unfortunately, internet is still not working, just as before...
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637 [04:11:35] <mutante> zeratul976: start with the other tests again, pinging the router etc. now it could be new unrelated problem
638 [04:11:57] <mutante> zeratul976: also, do you see any "rtl" thing in output of "lsmod"
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643 [04:14:48] <zeratul976> mutante: pinging the router still does not work
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646 [04:15:30] <zeratul976> mutante: i do not see any "rtl" in the output of "lsmod"
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649 [04:18:25] <mutante> zeratul976: things to try: sudo update-initramfs -u
650 [04:18:33] <mutante> zeratul976: modprobe r8169
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652 [04:19:27] <zeratul976> mutante: note, "r8169" _is_ present in "lsmod"
653 [04:19:47] <tripkin> I see that gnac (gnu audio converter) is no longer included with stretch. Can anyone tell me what would be the best choice to use instead?
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656 [04:20:32] <zeratul976> mutante: "update-initramfs -u" produces some warnings of the form "Possible missing firmware <filename> for module r8169"
657 [04:20:34] <mutante> zeratul976: oh, not "rtl" just "r" got it.
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659 [04:20:47] <mutante> zeratul976: it sounds like replaced-url
660 [04:21:10] <mutante> the part i dont get about all of this is how this is supposed to have worked before
661 [04:21:20] <mutante> and then just unload itself, remove the package and all that
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664 [04:22:15] <tripkin> nm - looks like I can use audacity for that. Thanks anyway
665 [04:22:16] <zeratul976> mutante: those missing files were not in the firmware-realtek package. where am i supposed to get them from?
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667 [04:22:32] <zeratul976> mutante: i don't get that either :(
668 [04:22:50] <mutante> zeratul976: i don't know , i just see that people claim the "updated" version had them
669 [04:23:38] <mutante> google the exact filename you get there
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675 [04:25:39] <zeratul976> mutante: the firmware-realtek package from stretch seems to have them
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677 [04:26:08] <mutante> zeratul976: ah :) just try installing it
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685 [04:31:56] <zeratul976> zeratul976: installed it, ran update-initramfs -u, restarted... still no internet :(
686 [04:32:29] <zeratul976> (can't ping router, etc.)
687 [04:32:53] <dvs> zeratul976, I thought you needed the new kernel along with new firmware files.
688 [04:33:12] <zeratul976> dvs: i have a pretty new kernel, 4.9
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693 [04:38:23] <zeratul976> Does anyone else have any suggestions?
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721 [04:59:32] <Blendify_pi> what does this mean:
722 [04:59:33] <Blendify_pi> Direct firmware load for iwlwifi-6000g2b-6.ucode failed with error -2
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724 [05:00:11] <Blendify_pi> I cannot get wifi to work any hints
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728 [05:00:57] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: I believe iwlwifi is the name of the wifi driver, and that error indicates that one of the driver files is missing
729 [05:01:31] <Blendify_pi> What should I do to fix it?
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731 [05:01:53] <PhotoJim> anybody had trouble with keyed, passwordless ssh logins no longer working (and prompting for passwords) after upgrading from jessie to stretch? my rsync backup scripts won't automatically run anymore and I can't figure out what's changed. forcing ssh-dss isn't it.
732 [05:02:25] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: Try installing the package "firmware-iwlwifi"
733 [05:03:00] <Blendify_pi> hmm I guess I need Ethernet?
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736 [05:04:07] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: That's probably the easiest way. Alternatively, you could download the package on another computer, and transfer it via USB or similar.
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740 [05:04:31] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, I might have to do that
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746 [05:04:57] <Blendify_pi> Can you point me to a good guide for this?
747 [05:05:00] <petn-randall> PhotoJim: Look at the ssh logs, and also run ssh with a couple of -v.
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749 [05:05:16] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: What Debian version are you running?
750 [05:05:30] <Blendify_pi> Jessie
751 [05:05:42] <PhotoJim> petn-randall: I tried -vvv, nothing useful, but I'll look at the logs. thanks for the suggestion.
752 [05:05:51] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: Download the package from here: replaced-url
753 [05:06:04] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: "sudo dpkg -i <filename>", sorry
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759 [05:07:42] <petn-randall> PhotoJim: Then I'd also check the release notes. If there's anything obvious, it will be in there.
760 [05:08:01] <PhotoJim> petn-randall: another good suggestion, thanks
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782 [05:18:10] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, it said that sudo command was not found? But I just signed in as root and ran the command. I should restart now right?
783 [05:18:36] <brontosaurusrex> less silly version of 'sudo apt install -y $(cat base.list)'?
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785 [05:18:46] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: yep
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791 [05:21:59] <Blendify_pi> zeratul976, great it worked any idea why sudo is not working?
792 [05:22:04] <rhizome> i'm trying to figure out what root packages are using the i386 arch on my desktop machine. dpkg will get me the names of all packages (grep), but I can't find anything to display or list roots with that nor apt-cache
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795 [05:22:43] <mebious> Blendify_pi: do you have sudo installed?
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797 [05:23:54] <Blendify_pi> mebious, I would assume not if it is failing
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799 [05:25:04] <mebious> Blendify_pi: You could try installing it, just run 'apt install sudo'
800 [05:25:06] <mebious> as root
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805 [05:27:15] <ninja007> Hi,
806 [05:27:20] <Blendify_pi> mebious, why did it have me insert the installation CD?
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809 [05:27:59] <ninja007> why there are no ‘InRelease’ file in Debian Archives, but ‘apt-get update’ shows downloading ‘InRelease’ file?
810 [05:28:10] <ninja007> Any one can shed a light inside? Thanks a lot.
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812 [05:28:33] <mebious> Blendify_pi: your cd is probably still listed as a repo in the sources.list file, try editing '/etc/apt/sources.list' and removing the lines that start with cdrom
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822 [05:35:15] <badargo> i might be an idiot :S
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824 [05:35:59] <badargo> i read regular_command and type it liretally... or %n ...
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826 [05:36:59] <Blendify_pi> mebious, there are two lines commented out with urls pointing to debian.org should these be uncommented?
827 [05:38:14] <badargo> the screen command doesnt exist anymore or is just my debian being debianshy?
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841 [05:43:55] <jmcnaught> badargo: you need to install it
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849 [05:49:39] <jak2000> hi all
850 [05:49:48] <jak2000> why cant do an apt update? replaced-url
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853 [05:51:34] <pacha> hi
854 [05:51:41] <jak2000> pachaaaaaaaaa!
855 [05:52:41] <pacha> jaaaak2000
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863 [05:55:46] <mebious> jak2000: did you change something in rc.local that fucked something up? Also I would try rebooting first.
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892 [06:08:39] <badargo> hey guys
893 [06:08:48] <badargo> is apt working ok for u?
894 [06:09:16] <badargo> first my apt server wasnt connecting, i changed for the us one and now it is even worse finding only one package isntead of many
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900 [06:12:53] <badargo> its stuck on 0%
901 [06:12:56] <badargo> so weird
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906 [06:15:21] <birkoff> can I get KDE 5.10 on debian stable ?
907 [06:16:14] <jak2000> mebious
908 [06:16:20] <jak2000> no not modified
909 [06:16:29] <jak2000> i only try install java and i think is my problem
910 [06:16:31] <jak2000> how to remove?
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919 [06:20:14] <jmcnaught> birkoff: no the version of KDE will remain the same in stretch for its entire life span
920 [06:20:30] <birkoff> what is it please?
921 [06:20:58] <jmcnaught> 5.8 according replaced-url
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923 [06:21:22] <birkoff> is 5.10 on testing ?
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926 [06:22:27] <jmcnaught> I don't know, but the real question is does having KDE 5.10 outweigh losing the benefits of running Debian stable?
927 [06:22:46] <birkoff> testing is more stable than unstable isnt it
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931 [06:24:12] <jmcnaught> maintainers upload packages to unstable. ten days later they get migrated to testing if no serious bugs are found. this is also the only mechanism that testing gets security updates (at least 10 days after everyone else)
932 [06:25:08] <jmcnaught> birkoff: what stable means in this context is how much change there is. on Debian stable there is no or very little change, which makes your computer more predictable and reliable
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934 [06:25:36] <birkoff> I see I'm not running a server or anything important
935 [06:25:45] <birkoff> I'd like to enjoy new releases and features
936 [06:25:55] <birkoff> more than excellent stability
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941 [06:26:52] <jak2000> jmcnaught any advice?
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943 [06:27:20] <n0rthlight_> I really dont want to sound rude or nothing but there is other distro focused on KDE :)
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947 [06:28:36] <rhizome> besides kluebuntu?
948 [06:28:48] <n0rthlight_> Opensuse.
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950 [06:28:50] <jmcnaught> birkoff: there is stable-backports. on stretch you can also install flatpak applications. there are other strategies too, for running newer applications on a stable base
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952 [06:30:27] <jmcnaught> jak2000: not really. maybe if you showed more of what is going on, but it looks like a mess. lots of third party repos, you're using virtualmin, an init script without LSB headers, come kind of dependency issue with rc.local. I hope you have backups
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954 [06:31:03] <n0rthlight_> rhizome replaced-url
955 [06:31:39] <birkoff> seems like it thanks n0rthlight_
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957 [06:34:01] <jak2000> mmm how to try fix?
958 [06:34:08] <n0rthlight_> Debian based kde distro are: Debian, Neon, Kubuntu, Linux Mint and I am sure I am passing many.
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961 [06:35:08] <n0rthlight_> birkoff of course man. People that like kde seems to very love it.
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964 [06:35:23] <birkoff> I just dislike gnome
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967 [06:35:55] <birkoff> and before im falling back on some archaic wm i'm gonna try kde after feeling interested about it seeing some videos of plasma
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971 [06:36:49] <n0rthlight_> I dont mind it myself but I use Plank and I hide the top bar however I prefer cinnamon but my distro does not run it.
972 [06:37:11] <zeratul976> Restarting my router seems to have fixed my Internet problems. Not sure why I haven't thought of doing that earlier...
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974 [06:37:29] <jmcnaught> ##linux is a good place to discuss other distros, but they are off-topic in #debian
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976 [06:38:09] <n0rthlight_> jmcnaught My apologies.
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978 [06:38:31] <n0rthlight_> we got sidetracked .
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991 [06:42:08] <jak2000> jmcnaught plese
992 [06:42:11] <jak2000> *please
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1007 [06:47:49] <towo^work> jak2000, you can't update because you have no debian and a damaged initscript installed
1008 [06:48:01] <jak2000> wich deb lines need have on sources.list ?
1009 [06:48:28] <towo^work> nothing with ppa, nothing with virtualmin
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1014 [06:52:02] <jak2000> :( Err replaced-url
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1019 [06:55:30] <jak2000> done!
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1057 [07:21:03] <Antares> replaced-url
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1060 [07:21:42] <sailorbrendan> trying to figure out which build of debian I want to install. Asus ultrabook with Intel Core i5-3317U
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1062 [07:22:22] <wow123> Hi all, trying to get my wifi configured as an AP and having problems - any help appreciated. It's a debian box, eth0 is connected to my modem, eth1 connected to my switch
1063 [07:22:26] <wow123> I have dnsmasq running on eth1 successfully, and devices plugged into my switch are getting assigned IPs / have internet access. I have an AP running with hostapd, however I can't get internet bridged to wlan0
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1065 [07:22:32] <wow123> replaced-url
1066 [07:22:38] <wow123> If I uncomment those wlan0 / br0 lines in network/interfaces, then the internet dies to my ethernet connected devices
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1176 [08:31:21] <towo^work> sailorbrendan, amd64
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1221 [08:56:16] <cheako> Hello, ne1 use libvirt/virt-manager with lxc? My system only shows kvm/qemu and I was wondering what pkg I needed to install.
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1239 [09:01:53] <cheako> Found it: replaced-url
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1262 [09:10:41] <Ironhand> hi, the package description for 'nftables' in Stretch indicates 'A Linux kernel >= 3.13 is required. However, >= 4.10 is recommended.'. With Stretch having "only" a 4.9 kernel, can anyone indicate in what way it would be sub-optimal?
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1264 [09:11:25] <Haohmaru> is 4.10 greater than 4.9?
1265 [09:11:30] <jelly> yes it is.
1266 [09:11:51] <Haohmaru> maths.. you can never understand it
1267 [09:11:58] <jelly> it's not maths.
1268 [09:12:10] <jelly> it's versioning
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1275 [09:14:42] <Haohmaru> so.. i was playing a fullHD clip with smplayer/mpv and when i set it to 100% size and went to move the window a bit - the whole picture froze (including desktop and mouse) and a few seconds later the screen got messed up and the linux basically hanged
1276 [09:14:52] <Haohmaru> i suspect it's something related to the video card
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1279 [09:16:01] <Haohmaru> lspci says: 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation C61 [GeForce 6100 nForce 405] (rev a2)
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1281 [09:16:26] <Haohmaru> i think i have the noavua(blah whatever) drivers
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1284 [09:17:04] <Haohmaru> what else can i check?
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1291 [09:18:08] <Haohmaru> oh and i did the equivalent thing with mplayer (started from terminal with pretty much no extra arguments besides the video file) and it didn't mess up
1292 [09:19:38] <Haohmaru> is there anything interesting to check or try?
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1299 [09:22:18] <zOthix> if i want to check all my memory address of ram. what should i do ?m trying to make a graphical view on where my program is executing and which part of ram memory is it taking
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1303 [09:24:10] <Ormu> hi, looks like Debian installer automatically chose to set HW clock into local time (perhaps based on the fact that Windows is present too?). I think it should ask instead. I've set Windows to use UTC so this resulted in an extra configuration step.
1304 [09:25:03] <Haohmaru> indeed i've seen a message during the installation that says "setting hardware clock.."
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1306 [09:26:03] <Ormu> It wasn't hard to change but I find this extra confusing as Unix/Linux default is typically UTC and I think it didn't ask if i want to set it to local at any point.
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1310 [09:27:01] <Haohmaru> the HW clock doesn't have daylight saving crap, does it?
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1318 [09:29:01] <Ormu> I'm not actually sure. The hardware itself doesn't perform it but I'm not sure what happens if the OS is configured to interpret HW clock as local time.
1319 [09:29:37] <Haohmaru> don't OSes tend to use NTP whenever possible?
1320 [09:29:53] <Haohmaru> because the HW clock surely isn't gonna be very accurate
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1322 [09:30:01] <Ormu> true
1323 [09:30:18] <Ormu> most OSes sync over the internet, even by default i think
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1326 [09:31:40] <Ormu> looks like NTP was swallowed by systemd and there's now systemd-timesyncd... :|
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1329 [09:32:12] <Haohmaru> *shrug*
1330 [09:32:32] <Haohmaru> i haven't touched any of those settings (in fact, i have no idea how to configure them)
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1332 [09:32:50] <Haohmaru> but the clocks on two different machines here with debian9 agree down to the second
1333 [09:33:04] <mdorenkamp> we switchet everything here to chrony
1334 [09:33:08] <well_laid_lawn> I just use localtime and set the clock once
1335 [09:33:25] <well_laid_lawn> I don't dualboot with windows though
1336 [09:33:39] <Haohmaru> i haven't set anything apart from telling debian what my timezone is during installation
1337 [09:34:00] <Haohmaru> i dual boot with a win7
1338 [09:34:20] <Haohmaru> it uses NTP too, but it seems rarely
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1341 [09:34:56] <Haohmaru> i have the impression that linux tries to sync with NTP when you bring the computer out of sleep/suspend
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1343 [09:35:12] <Haohmaru> or is that controlled by the power manager thing
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1345 [09:36:03] <well_laid_lawn> depends on the DE
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1371 [09:45:20] <Haohmaru> is there a way to "watch" the contents of a text file to which a program is appending lines.. somehow?
1372 [09:45:36] <Haohmaru> or specifically the last lines
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1374 [09:46:05] <well_laid_lawn> tail -f maybe
1375 [09:46:19] <Haohmaru> tail -f <filename> ?
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1378 [09:46:25] <well_laid_lawn> yep
1379 [09:46:51] <well_laid_lawn> -f, --follow[={name|descriptor}]
1380 [09:46:53] <well_laid_lawn> output appended data as the file grows;
1381 [09:47:27] <Haohmaru> ooh, it works \o/
1382 [09:47:33] <well_laid_lawn> cheers
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1398 [09:55:49] <solrize_> security.debian.org down?
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1408 [10:03:53] <Ormu> btw, still no issues with X11 intel driver
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1411 [10:04:48] <Ormu> so looks like the flashing/crash problem was fixed by changing it from modesetting to intel
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1426 [10:10:55] <Haohmaru> 109% cpu usage woohoo
1427 [10:11:17] <well_laid_lawn> I want that cpu
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1430 [10:11:28] <Haohmaru> dis gon complete sooner than possible >:)
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1436 [10:13:43] <bolt> this is why measuring cpu usage instead of load is kind of odd
1437 [10:13:49] <hexhaxtron> A friend wants me to do this: replaced-url
1438 [10:13:53] <hexhaxtron> Is it safe?
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1440 [10:14:09] <well_laid_lawn> no
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1442 [10:14:17] <well_laid_lawn> didn't even look
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1444 [10:14:45] <Nawab> hello
1445 [10:14:45] <bolt> hexhaxtron: safe in what way?
1446 [10:14:53] <hexhaxtron> bolt: in general terms.
1447 [10:15:02] <bolt> hexhaxtron: it would allow people with access to the directory in question to override all options
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1449 [10:15:08] <bolt> hexhaxtron: if that's safe, it's safe
1450 [10:15:14] <Nawab> using git to pull a repo from github gives the following error
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1452 [10:15:36] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
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1455 [10:16:27] <Haohmaru> is that what github.com resolves into?
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1457 [10:16:59] <Nawab> idk
1458 [10:17:11] <Haohmaru> do you have internet access on that machine?
1459 [10:17:16] <Nawab> yes
1460 [10:17:26] <Nawab> im typing from the machine
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1462 [10:17:43] <Haohmaru> well, 127.0.0.1 is usually localhost, aka your own machine's IP
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1464 [10:17:54] <Nawab> yes
1465 [10:17:56] <Haohmaru> not sure if that's a problem
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1467 [10:18:35] <bolt> Nawab: why are you resolving github.com to your own machine, and are you running something on port 9050 that you expect to answer you?
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1470 [10:19:00] <Nawab> bolt, i didnt resolve github to localhost
1471 [10:19:08] <Nawab> i just typed tht command
1472 [10:19:09] <carmelo11> Hi, I have this code sensors | grep 'temp[123]'
1473 [10:19:14] <Haohmaru> he clearly isn't.. "connection refused" means there is someone there and he says that port is not listening/accepting
1474 [10:19:38] <Haohmaru> Nawab, what happens if you try that git command but replace github.com with its actual IP address?
1475 [10:19:48] <bolt> Haohmaru: well, that could be a firewall
1476 [10:19:53] <Haohmaru> i think your resolv.conf should be fired ;P~
1477 [10:19:55] <carmelo11> I have to extract only the "number dot zero" from this pattern "+ number dot zero °C"
1478 [10:19:59] <Rumpled> what was the command in the first place?
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1480 [10:20:01] <bolt> Nawab: fix your dns
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1482 [10:20:47] <Rumpled> you can clone git projects without connecting to localhost
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1484 [10:21:58] <Haohmaru> why would it even need to connect to localhost?
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1486 [10:22:19] <Rumpled> that's why i asked what he ran :)
1487 [10:22:28] <Rumpled> or she maybe
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1491 [10:23:06] <Nawab> git pull -v replaced-url
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1493 [10:23:12] <Nawab> thts what i ran
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1495 [10:23:23] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
1496 [10:23:31] <Nawab> this is what im getting
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1499 [10:23:45] <Nawab> i just started this machine after a long time
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1504 [10:24:39] <Epakai> you should 'git clone' from github, if pull said that then maybe you're already in a git repository that has a remote configured at localhost:9050
1505 [10:24:41] <Rumpled> hmm, are/were you running a proxy?
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1507 [10:24:54] <Nawab> no
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1509 [10:25:58] <bumbar> i'm on debian 8.9, added "deb replaced-url
1510 [10:25:58] <Rumpled> well i don't know then, maybe what epakai said. try clone: git clone repo_name /path-to/local_repo
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1513 [10:26:30] <Nawab> git clone is too giving the same error
1514 [10:26:44] <Nawab> Cloning into 'TsukiBot'...
1515 [10:26:45] <Nawab> fatal: unable to access 'replaced-url
1516 [10:26:58] <Rumpled> then you'll have to check your git config, maybe there's something about using a proxy/https proxy
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1518 [10:27:40] <Rumpled> but you're definitely doing something on 9050
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1520 [10:28:59] <AciD`> hey, I'm not sure why, but starting from today, I cannot activate my Creative X-Fi Titanium sound card. In `dmesg` I see those error message : replaced-url
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1526 [10:30:20] <AciD`> moreover, after removing the snd_ctxfi module, whenever I try to reload it again with `modprobe snd_ctxfi`, the whole system just freeze
1527 [10:30:31] <AciD`> I'm using the latest updated Stretch..
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1534 [10:31:35] <Nawab> iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s 127.0.0.1 -j
1535 [10:32:02] <Nawab> what do i put there to make it accept packets over tht port?
1536 [10:32:12] <Nawab> -j ALLOW is not there
1537 [10:32:35] <Rumpled> ...check your git config
1538 [10:32:39] <Haohmaru> i've used git a little, and i've never had to touch "iptables"
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1540 [10:32:51] <zeratul976> Blendify_pi: your user is probably not listed in /etc/sudoers. run 'visudo' to add it
1541 [10:33:04] <Nawab> Rumpled, how do i check git config
1542 [10:33:41] <Rumpled> ~/.gitconfig i think
1543 [10:33:48] <Epakai> 'git config http.proxy' or just 'cat ~/.gitconfig'
1544 [10:34:11] <Rumpled> use cat for lines mentioning "proxy"
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1548 [10:35:20] <Rumpled> not cat, i mean grep
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1554 [10:37:59] <Nawab> git config http.proxy gives me nothing
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1556 [10:38:13] <Rumpled> cat ~/.gitconfig | grep "proxy"
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1558 [10:38:49] <Nawab> still nothing
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1561 [10:39:35] <well_laid_lawn> don't abuse the cat
1562 [10:39:55] <well_laid_lawn> grep proxy .gitconfig
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1564 [10:39:58] <Rumpled> git config --global -l
1565 [10:40:25] <Rumpled> that's how i've always done it :(
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1567 [10:40:48] <Nawab> user.name=Avra Neel(aka. MaBunny)
1568 [10:40:48] <Nawab> user.email=Find me on irc.freenode.net
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1573 [10:42:38] <Rumpled> ?
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1577 [10:42:53] <Nawab> thts what it outputs
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1580 [10:44:28] <Nawab> anyone?
1581 [10:44:31] <Rumpled> is it? okay, just open the config file in nano or something and comment out anything pertaining to using a proxy
1582 [10:45:07] <Rumpled> i don't know the git commands but i'm pretty sure it has tools for that sort of stuff
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1585 [10:45:55] <Nawab> [user] name = Avra Neel(aka. MaBunny)
1586 [10:45:57] <Nawab> email = Find me on irc.freenode.net
1587 [10:46:07] <Nawab> thts what is there in the config
1588 [10:46:17] <Rumpled> # it
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1590 [10:47:15] <Nawab> done
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1592 [10:47:38] <Rumpled> what is the whole segment of the config file? just to be sure
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1594 [10:47:47] <Rumpled> pastebin it; not here
1595 [10:47:54] <Nawab> tht what i pasted
1596 [10:47:54] <Nawab> nothing more
1597 [10:47:57] <Nawab> ok
1598 [10:47:59] <babilen> Interesting email btw ;)
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1601 [10:48:28] <Rumpled> hang on
1602 [10:48:37] <Rumpled> im not on windows, i forget the conf file for github
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1606 [10:49:02] <Nawab> replaced-url
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1609 [10:50:27] <Rumpled> that's your username, not your proxy?
1610 [10:50:39] <Nawab> no proxy settings there
1611 [10:50:54] <dob1> hi, I am not able to login via ssh using keys, i created the key "ssh-keygen -t rsa" then copied it using ssh-copy-id but it doesn't work. I have to say that I have created the key with the name backup_rsa and copied with ssh-copy-id -i /root/.ssh/backup_rsa.pub user@host
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1613 [10:51:45] <Rumpled> i think you're at the point where you should just reinstall it tbh
1614 [10:51:52] <Nawab> hmm
1615 [10:52:05] <dob1> does the keys need to be named id_rsa ?
1616 [10:52:17] <Rumpled> i don't know what you've done
1617 [10:52:39] <Nawab> ok np
1618 [10:52:40] <Nawab> thnx for you time
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1622 [10:54:57] <Haohmaru> damn, in xarchiver i don't have .zip support o_O
1623 [10:56:07] <Nazara> On my thinkpad X220, when I open the lid the backlight is maxed, despite not leaving it there - is there a way to fix this?
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1628 [10:57:38] <Rumpled> rarely do i see zip archives used on linux systems
1629 [10:57:38] <Rumpled> i think webmin had one once
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1633 [11:00:20] <nix64bit> unzip is on my debian box
1634 [11:00:31] <nix64bit> i may have installed it
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1638 [11:01:35] <Nawab> Rumpled, its not git related
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1641 [11:01:40] <Nawab> still getting the issue
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1645 [11:02:20] <Rumpled> yeah but did you uninstall properly by removing the conf files too
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1647 [11:02:31] <Nawab> no
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1649 [11:02:43] <Nawab> where do all the config files lay?
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1652 [11:03:48] <Rumpled> apt-get purge
1653 [11:04:06] <Haohmaru> Rumpled, tar.gz is not a very nice format to use for windows users
1654 [11:04:16] <Haohmaru> nor tar.anithing
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1656 [11:04:48] <Rumpled> i agree - luckily windows users can only be bothered to archive things once
1657 [11:05:12] <Rumpled> i supppose because we're too busy chatting on irc to do things properly
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1664 [11:07:29] <tommaso> Nazara, try `sudo apt-get install xbacklight`
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1673 [11:10:45] <Nawab> its not a git thing
1674 [11:10:56] <Nawab> im still getting tht errror
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1678 [11:12:00] <Nawab> someone pls help me
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1684 [11:16:41] <tommaso> Nawab, maybe u have a system level proxy
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1686 [11:16:53] <Nawab> hmm
1687 [11:16:59] <Nawab> how do i check for tht?
1688 [11:17:13] <Nawab> this machine was set up a long time ago
1689 [11:17:20] <tommaso> settings -> networking -> proxy ..
1690 [11:17:23] <Nawab> i forgot what i did with it
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1692 [11:18:07] <tommaso> usually port 9050 is used by Tor locally
1693 [11:18:26] <Nawab> hmm
1694 [11:18:55] <Nawab> i did proxy settings to none in settings
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1696 [11:19:14] <Nawab> now its working
1697 [11:19:48] <crazyb0y> Nawab: do you have tor installed?
1698 [11:19:56] <Nawab> nope i guess
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1700 [11:19:59] <stree> it possible uses tor as a practicing buddhist
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1702 [11:20:17] <crazyb0y> Nawab: dpkg -l | grep tor
1703 [11:20:51] <Nawab> nope
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1705 [11:21:59] <crazyb0y> Nawab: netstat -anlp | grep :9050
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1708 [11:22:48] <Nawab> crazyb0y, what does tht command do?
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1712 [11:23:46] <crazyb0y> Nawab: checks if there is something listening on this port
1713 [11:24:02] <Nawab> hmm
1714 [11:24:03] <crazyb0y> Nawab: ok let's try something more eff. - git config --global --unset http.proxy
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1716 [11:24:39] <Nawab> crazyb0y, it works now
1717 [11:25:06] <crazyb0y> Nawab: everhting is ok now?
1718 [11:25:18] <Nawab> yes
1719 [11:25:25] <crazyb0y> Nawab: great, have a nice day
1720 [11:25:39] <Nawab> crazyb0y, thnx for your time :)
1721 [11:25:48] <Nawab> also learned a new command...
1722 [11:25:57] <crazyb0y> Nawab: no problem, what's this distro?
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1727 [11:26:15] <Nawab> debian jessie,upgrading to stretch now
1728 [11:26:27] <crazyb0y> Nawab: don't =)
1729 [11:26:45] <Nawab> why?
1730 [11:27:05] <crazyb0y> Nawab: stretch is not ready yet =)
1731 [11:27:32] <Nawab> sorry not stretch,sid
1732 [11:27:34] <Nawab> my bad
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1734 [11:28:00] <crazyb0y> Nawab: oh so it's ok =)
1735 [11:28:12] <Nawab> yeah my mistake
1736 [11:28:17] <Rumpled> what was the problem?
1737 [11:28:37] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: git was forced to use proxy =)
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1739 [11:29:01] <Nawab> Rumpled, i had 127.0.0.1 as a proxy in my settings
1740 [11:29:02] <Rumpled> thought that was it. didn't know about the unset command though
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1742 [11:29:16] <Rumpled> glad you got there in the end
1743 [11:29:26] <Nawab> yeah
1744 [11:30:48] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: there are 2 scenarios to remove the proxy from git: global setting and local setting per user: git config --global --unset https.proxy (http.proxy) and git config --unset https.proxy (http.proxy)
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1746 [11:31:08] <Rumpled> cheers, ill remember that!
1747 [11:31:15] <crazyb0y> cheers =)
1748 [11:31:40] <crazyb0y> Rumpled: i was for lunch and seen it late =)
1749 [11:32:22] <Rumpled> i'm still waking up :(
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1756 [11:42:41] <tommaso> hey, anybody knows how to fix this ? replaced-url
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1758 [11:44:02] <crazyb0y> tommaso: please paste the output of: apt-get -f install
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1765 [11:46:21] <tommaso> replaced-url
1766 [11:46:39] <tommaso> but now it's not complaining anymore ..
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1768 [11:47:32] <Rumpled> sounds like my girlfriend
1769 [11:48:22] <Rumpled> looks like you've fixed it
1770 [11:48:23] <hiya> is there a way to stop your laptop's wifi from going to sleep at all? Even when your lid is off?
1771 [11:48:31] <hiya> I am using Debian 9 with Gnome
1772 [11:48:56] <Rumpled> power settings; check what happens when you close the lid
1773 [11:49:32] <hiya> in power settings, I have Automatic Suspend = off
1774 [11:49:41] <hiya> When the power button is pressed Noting
1775 [11:49:48] <hiya> Blank screen Never
1776 [11:49:55] <hiya> Dim screen off
1777 [11:50:14] <tommaso> nope, replaced-url
1778 [11:50:28] <hiya> yet it would turn off the wifi when I put the lid down
1779 [11:50:52] <tommaso> and when I restart apache replaced-url
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1781 [11:51:03] <tommaso> I know I messed it up
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1783 [11:51:19] <jrmu> Are there any good command line html/css validators?
1784 [11:51:19] <jrmu> in the debian repos
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1786 [11:54:09] <alxy> I am having a question regarding screen: Is it possible to get back into screens that are "attached"
1787 [11:54:47] <alxy> If I write screen -r 1234 (where 1234 corresponds to a screen marked as attached in the4 list of screens) that doesnt work
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1790 [11:57:10] <jelly> alxy, two options -- either detach them first (add -d or -D, definitely read about -D first!), or use -x to attach one screen session to multiple terminals
1791 [11:57:30] <crazyb0y> tommaso: explain me what are you trying to do first?
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1794 [11:58:12] <jelly> alxy, if you have a wonky ssh connection, you might get used to doing "screen -dr sessionid" or "screen -drr"
1795 [11:58:14] <alxy> ok thanks detching appears to work
1796 [11:58:28] <crazyb0y> alxy: detach the screen inside the screen Ctrl+a+d after that screen -r <name> or screen -x <name>
1797 [11:58:40] <Nazara> tommaso: didn't work (gnome)
1798 [11:58:46] <alxy> crazyb0y: yeah thats what I usually do
1799 [11:58:52] <alxy> however, I lost the ssh connection
1800 [11:58:54] <tommaso> crazyb0y: now I just want to start apache2 but I can't.. now the apt-get install -f issue is back replaced-url
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1805 [11:59:05] <alxy> and then this thing happened to me
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1808 [11:59:13] <alxy> I was not able to simply reenter that session
1809 [11:59:18] <jelly> alxy, if you know for sure the other ssh connection is gone, you can use -D to force logout
1810 [11:59:20] <alxy> but it works now after detaching
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1812 [12:00:04] <jelly> screen -h
1813 [12:00:10] <alxy> jelly: everything is alright now :)
1814 [12:00:23] <crazyb0y> tommaso: why are you dist-upgrading to install apache?
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1816 [12:00:40] <tommaso> no apache2 was already there.. and working
1817 [12:01:11] <tommaso> i ran dist-upgrade to see if it's working again
1818 [12:02:12] <crazyb0y> tommaso: tommaso i don't understand what do you want to do
1819 [12:02:31] <alxy> one other question in screen: is it possible to get the entire terminal output? I cannot scroll in my command line view at the moment, but the curent program has crashed and it would be nice to see the entire output
1820 [12:03:15] <tommaso> somehow I can't start apache again bc idk
1821 [12:03:17] <crazyb0y> alxy: ctrl+a after that <- key
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1825 [12:03:58] <alxy> ? I use ctrl+a and then d to detach
1826 [12:04:04] <crazyb0y> tommaso: show me service apache2 start
1827 [12:04:22] <jelly> alxy, in screen, ^a [ to access its own scroll buffer
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1829 [12:04:24] <crazyb0y> alxy: ctrl+a (release them) and use <-
1830 [12:04:33] <tommaso> replaced-url
1831 [12:04:34] <crazyb0y> oh sorry [
1832 [12:04:51] <jelly> ^ denotes ctrl
1833 [12:05:13] <alxy> so I press ctrl+a and then I am able to scroll? let me try
1834 [12:05:27] <jelly> you press ^a then you press [
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1837 [12:05:42] <jelly> then use cursors and possibly pgup, pgdown
1838 [12:05:58] <jelly> exit by pressing space twice
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1840 [12:06:05] <alxy> A yeah it works.. what a crazy combination
1841 [12:06:28] <Haohmaru> it's for h4x0rz
1842 [12:06:46] <jelly> you can also copy/paste inside screen, that's space actually does beginning and end of selection
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1845 [12:07:31] <Haohmaru> yeah, on a real proper OS, you only need a keyboard to do everything
1846 [12:07:32] <jelly> Haohmaru, it's for serial terminals of 1980s and 90s, and consoles without a mouse
1847 [12:07:55] <alxy> Is the buffer somehow limited? because after some scrolling through the error messages its just black?
1848 [12:08:21] <crazyb0y> tommaso: apt-get install libc6-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libglu1-mesa-dev libstdc++6 libX11-dev libxml2-dev libxrender-dev
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1850 [12:08:36] <forcerecon> can anyone else get to sdf.org?
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1852 [12:08:46] <jelly> alxy, there's a line number limit but screen will tell you when you get to the top
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1855 [12:09:37] <jelly> alxy, if you see empty lines, then that's what was in the buffer.
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1865 [12:11:22] <tommaso> crazyb0y: it fails with replaced-url
1866 [12:11:40] <alxy> mh, I pressed page up all the time and in the end its really just black
1867 [12:11:52] <alxy> replaced-url
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1890 [12:32:25] <guavas> hello everyone. I have a sdcard I formatted to ext4, problem is I can only see /dev/sdb, no partition on it. I tried gparted to erase everything and then recreate an ext4, but I have an error "Too many primary partitions.". Any idea what that my be?
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1892 [12:33:11] <enyc> guavas: hrrrm.... what do you _mean_ "formatted to ext4" ?
1893 [12:34:43] <enyc> guavas: i got the impression its' normal to have a partition-table with single primary partition and then filesystem atop that, on most removeable drives... (and, when windows 'thinks' something is a removeable-flash-disk it only seems to allow use of first partition!!) BUT sometimes flash/sd are formatted with filesystem directly [not so common], wondering if thats what you've done.
1894 [12:34:56] <Haohmaru> guavas, you need to make a partition table first, then you can make one or more ext4/fat32/whatever partitions
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1903 [12:39:06] <Nawab> hello
1904 [12:39:13] <Nawab> im back with a new problem
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1906 [12:39:53] <Nawab> so i want to copy paste some files into a filesystem i hav,whiuch is owned by root
1907 [12:40:04] <Nawab> heres what i hav done
1908 [12:40:08] <Nawab> i unmounted it,
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1910 [12:40:40] <Nawab> i then went to /dev/disk/by-label,and i tried to change the ownership by chown
1911 [12:41:10] <Nawab> tht didnt work
1912 [12:41:22] <Nawab> then i tried to change the group too,but tht didnt work
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1916 [12:41:57] <Nawab> then i tried blkid on it and tried to change ownership and group on the uuid
1917 [12:41:57] <Nawab> but both didnt work
1918 [12:42:03] <Nawab> so
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1920 [12:42:50] <Nawab> is there a step which i missed doing? its a long time since i did this kinda work
1921 [12:44:39] <guavas> enyc, thanks for your reply. I did a mkfs.ext4 on /dev/sdb instead of /dev/sdb1
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1923 [12:45:03] <guavas> Haohmaru, I'll try to do a partition table first, thanks!
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1925 [12:45:43] <tommaso> Nawab, u might run a nautilus instance with root privileges: `sudo nautilus` and u should be able to copy then
1926 [12:46:16] <Nawab> tommaso, thts absurd way to do the thing?
1927 [12:46:23] <tommaso> u can't change the /dev/disk permission but u can change the permissions of where the disk is mounted, usually /media
1928 [12:47:09] <tommaso> Nawab, it's a workaround. to fix permanently change the permissions
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1931 [12:47:43] <Nawab> tommaso, how?
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1933 [12:47:51] <guavas> Haohmaru, to do a partition table I must first delete the current partition. Gparted makes me do that, but then it refreshes the devices and seems like the old ext4 is still there. Weird
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1935 [12:49:11] <Haohmaru> guavas, you don't need to delete anything.. there's an option to create new partition table.. this basically messes up the existing partitions (it doesn't erase their actual data)
1936 [12:49:42] <tommaso> Nawab: run `findmnt` and send back the output
1937 [12:49:47] <Haohmaru> so make a new partition table.. if you're not sure what kind - i'd suggest you pick "msdos" type
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1941 [12:51:22] <Nawab> replaced-url
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1944 [12:53:00] <tommaso> so check the owner of /media/neelz/
1945 [12:53:42] <tommaso> change it with `chown user:group -R /media/neelz/` substitute user and group with your username
1946 [12:53:56] <jelly> Nawab, changing owneship of the device won't affect what's inside, on the filesystem, at all. Those structures do not consult (or even know) the device permissions.
1947 [12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 3 neelz root 4096 Dec 22 2016 0EA5-32B2
1948 [12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 68 neelz neelz 32768 Jan 1 1970 3132-6130
1949 [12:54:08] <Nawab> drwxrwxrwx 2 neelz root 4096 Aug 25 2016 cardreader
1950 [12:54:08] <Nawab> drwx------ 46 neelz neelz 32768 Jan 1 1970 NEEL'S MOB
1951 [12:54:08] <Nawab> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Nov 15 2016 temp
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1954 [12:54:37] <Haohmaru> one does not simply paste something..
1955 [12:54:45] <Nawab> sorry :(
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1958 [12:55:40] <Nawab> jelly, i tried changing the ownership of the uuid of the disk after unmounting it
1959 [12:55:57] <guavas> Haohmaru, silly me, that was it! Thanks for your help, works now :)
1960 [12:56:07] <Nawab> idk what i missed...been a long time since then
1961 [12:56:34] <Nawab> since i did this*
1962 [12:56:40] <Nawab> tht is 1 year or more
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1964 [12:57:13] <Nawab> wait
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1966 [12:57:20] <Nawab> now the ls says tht its owned by me
1967 [12:57:27] <Nawab> goddamn me
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1970 [12:57:59] <jelly> Nawab, where and what precisely do you mean by "the uuid of the disk"
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1972 [12:58:15] <Nawab> in /dev/disk/by-uuid
1973 [12:58:32] <jelly> that's just a symlink
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1976 [12:58:43] <Nawab> jelly, np
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1979 [12:59:00] <Nawab> i just managed to create a file there from my user
1980 [12:59:01] <jelly> Nawab, which filesystem type is there?
1981 [12:59:07] <Nawab> ext4
1982 [12:59:22] <jelly> then mount it, and use chown on directories and files inside.
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1985 [12:59:36] <Nawab> ok
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1987 [12:59:54] <jelly> it's a normal filesystem. changing ownership of device won't change anything
1988 [13:00:02] <Nawab> hmm
1989 [13:00:03] <jelly> inside the filesystem
1990 [13:00:27] <Nawab> so where should i "hav" changed ownership to be able to copy paste files there
1991 [13:00:35] <jelly> then mount it, and use chown on directories and files inside.
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1993 [13:00:37] <jelly> &&
1994 [13:00:38] <jelly> ^^
1995 [13:00:56] <Nawab> in the directory where its mounted,in the file itself,or something else?
1996 [13:01:03] <jelly> whatever you want to change.
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1998 [13:01:12] <Nawab> whats && ?
1999 [13:01:15] <jelly> including the mount point and anything under it.
2000 [13:01:18] <jelly> && is a typo.
2001 [13:01:26] <Nawab> ok
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2048 [13:39:34] <sailorbrendan> how do i figure out which architecture I need? Intel Core i5-3317U
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2050 [13:40:00] <Haohmaru> amd64 i'd guess
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2052 [13:40:34] <toruvinn> sailorbrendan, if you're really low on RAM, you /might/ want 32bit, but otherwise definitely amd64 as Haohmaru pointed out
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2054 [13:41:08] <toruvinn> sailorbrendan, and with i5-3317U i somehow doubt you have below like 4GB.
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2056 [13:41:25] <Haohmaru> if you'r really low on ram in 2017 - you're doomed
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2059 [13:41:49] <toruvinn> Haohmaru, yes and no. what about embedded ysstems? ;-) they can still run debian! usually not x86 though i guess.
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2062 [13:42:34] <Haohmaru> i mean in the context of "so, i got a debian.. let's open a website" x_x
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2065 [13:43:19] <Haohmaru> i'm with 2GB RAM, and my nicest machine has 3GB
2066 [13:43:34] <Haohmaru> my cpus are not as fancy as his tho
2067 [13:44:13] <Haohmaru> i've used debian on embedded with 1GB RAM i think
2068 [13:44:18] <Haohmaru> with lxde
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2081 [13:47:56] <john_rambo> which command prints the MOTHERBOARD info ?
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2083 [13:47:58] <sailorbrendan> it's an asus laptop I think I"m seeing 3.8 GB?
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2095 [13:52:18] <forcerecon> sudo dmidecode
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2107 [13:58:01] <john_rambo> forcerecon, Not getting any useful results from dmidecode ...When I boot my PC i see "Not enough space in Runtime area SMBIOS will not be available"
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2111 [13:58:09] <john_rambo> Is that the reason ?
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2120 [14:02:41] <forcerecon> well based on a google search it seems like the bios chip might be bad, or need to be flashed. There usually is a jumper on the motherboard.. I would reset the bios using that and then see if it boots at all.. remove all external devices so the machine is just the machine so to speak, wipe the bios and then restart.. see what happens
2121 [14:03:30] <forcerecon> not sure what kind of machine it is, or how old.
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2123 [14:03:40] <forcerecon> might help.. - replaced-url
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2184 [14:30:09] <Arthur_D> hi, I'm having trouble on my server that I upgraded from 7 to 8 a while ago. Long story short, I used a static version of mumble-server (or murmur as it's known as upstream) and that worked okay, but I wanted updates and thus I added jessie-backports repo and installed it from there. Now I'm having init problems. After moving the old init.d script out of the way and finding a systemd service file on Github and adapting it, it sort of works
2185 [14:30:09] <Arthur_D> but always fails and restarts after a minute or two
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2194 [14:33:42] <celyr> Arthur_D, so you are using the package now ?
2195 [14:34:03] <Arthur_D> yes, but it didn't seem like I got any service file with it
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2197 [14:34:42] <celyr> that doesn't seem possible
2198 [14:35:01] <celyr> what if you remove and purge the actual murmur and then reinstall ?
2199 [14:35:31] <Arthur_D> purge the mumble-server package, or somehow purge the static version I used before?
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2201 [14:36:13] <Arthur_D> this is what I get in the logs with my current service file by the way: replaced-url
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2203 [14:38:10] <Arthur_D> hm the output got cut, will try to get a better paste
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2213 [14:45:36] <Arthur_D> replaced-url
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2215 [14:46:12] <Arthur_D> celyr ^ log file
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2217 [14:46:58] <celyr> Arthur_D, it looks to me that the startup script is broken
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2219 [14:47:15] <Arthur_D> possibly
2220 [14:47:19] <celyr> I would try to clear the static version and the actual mumble-server package
2221 [14:47:29] <celyr> and reinstall only the packaged version
2222 [14:47:46] <celyr> If you can't do this you manually fix
2223 [14:47:59] <Arthur_D> the static version can't do anything since the old init.d file is no longer there. If I purge everything I lose my configuration
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2225 [14:48:13] <celyr> save your config then
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2236 [14:55:45] <ThCTLo> hai, is there anyone who can help me with some nfsv4 (kerberos) questions? most things work, only my automounted homedir not.
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2238 [14:55:57] <ThCTLo> i cant figure it out.
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2242 [14:56:17] <talin> hello. does debian 9.1 come with anything like iptables?
2243 [14:56:40] <ThCTLo> yes, type: dpkg -l | grep iptables
2244 [14:56:52] <ThCTLo> if its not there instal it.
2245 [14:57:03] <celyr> you should use nft anyway
2246 [14:57:06] <talin> hmm, it's there, but i can't really use it because the kernel module is not loaded
2247 [14:57:14] <talin> nft? alright, i'll check that out, thank you
2248 [14:57:26] <talin> doesn't come installed by default it seems
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2263 [15:03:12] <fire_xyz_com> is there program which play sound by pressing hotkey , globally ? I tried install EXP sounboard, but it's not working :(
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2285 [15:13:26] <Arthur_D> ok I found there simply isn't a systemd service file for mumble-server - the jessie-backports package just provides an init.d script
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2305 [15:22:24] <aura> stange thing happening guys
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2308 [15:23:18] <aura> it looks like when i open a grey background
2309 [15:23:29] <aura> you can see a youtube tab in the backgound
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2311 [15:24:20] <Haohmaru> or is your monitor screen burnt from showing the same picture for too long
2312 [15:24:40] <aura> could it be?
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2314 [15:24:47] <Haohmaru> sure
2315 [15:24:48] <aura> how does it even work?
2316 [15:24:55] <petemc> is it an old crt?
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2319 [15:25:14] <petemc> probably more likely graphics driver artifact
2320 [15:25:15] <aura> ips
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2322 [15:25:24] <Haohmaru> i have a ghost image where i can see my whole taskbar
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2324 [15:25:31] <aura> talking about graphics
2325 [15:25:43] <aura> i never really did install any drivers
2326 [15:25:51] <Haohmaru> petemc, that ghost image issue happens on LCDs too
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2328 [15:26:16] <aura> i'm using an nvidia card
2329 [15:26:23] <aura> should i install something?
2330 [15:26:31] <Haohmaru> aura, can you catch it on a screenshot?
2331 [15:26:43] <aura> nope
2332 [15:26:45] <Haohmaru> it's either there or not
2333 [15:27:16] <l1Ll1Ll1L> ura try displaying a solid white screen for a long period of time, followed by a solid black screen. If it is burn in that is what I'd try
2334 [15:27:23] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *aura
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2336 [15:27:47] <aura> is this case does it mean that my screen is broken?
2337 [15:28:00] <Haohmaru> aura, only you can answer that
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2339 [15:28:03] <l1Ll1Ll1L> if what I suggested fixes the problem, no.
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2342 [15:28:32] <l1Ll1Ll1L> If this thread is correct. IPS cannot experience permanent burn in replaced-url
2343 [15:28:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> so I'd be optimistic
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2351 [15:30:07] <aura> it's not permanent
2352 [15:30:18] <l1Ll1Ll1L> then hurray =D
2353 [15:30:27] <aura> mmm
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2355 [15:30:33] <aura> but it's still there
2356 [15:30:53] <l1Ll1Ll1L> then if it bothers you you need a better monitor I guess
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2362 [15:31:21] <cheapie> xscreensaver provides an "lcdscrub" screensaver that's supposed to help.
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2364 [15:31:45] <aura> eizo!
2365 [15:31:49] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I would think that a screensaver in general would be enough, since this is the problem they were meant to solve
2366 [15:31:56] <cheapie> It displays a bunch of high-contrast patterns that are supposed to help reverse LCD "burn-in".
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2368 [15:32:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> though I would imagine even screen blanking would be sufficient in many cases
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2375 [15:35:31] <aura> why is xsceensaver better over a black pic?
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2382 [15:37:02] <l1Ll1Ll1L> aura one reason is that a pixel may simly not do anything when asked to display black, since black is the abscence of color. But I may be talking out of my butt =P
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2386 [15:37:58] <aura> you are right
2387 [15:38:11] <aura> should i set up lcdscub only?
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2392 [15:38:44] <l1Ll1Ll1L> it seems worth a shot, since by the name it is intended to scrub LCDs
2393 [15:38:55] <stree> they can deal with lcds its simply the impossible
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2395 [15:39:01] <l1Ll1Ll1L> but I bet if you just enabled xscreensaver that would be enough
2396 [15:39:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and if not enable only lcdscrub
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2398 [15:40:45] <aura> umh
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2400 [15:41:01] <aura> usually i turn off the sceen when i leave my desk
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2406 [15:42:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> fair but displaying random colors would likely prevent burn in better than simply turning the display off. Basically, if what you are doing doesn't work why not try xscreensaver?
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2408 [15:43:17] <aura> already installed
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2412 [15:44:19] <aura> though i need a new monitor
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2418 [15:47:03] <aura> does debian works fine in 4k
2419 [15:47:04] <aura> ?
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2427 [15:48:31] <l1Ll1Ll1L> aura I don't have a 4k to test it but I'd be surprised if it didn't
2428 [15:48:41] <Haohmaru> i find it kinda stupid to get a bigger resolution and increase the size of everything so that it looks proportionally the same as on a small resolution
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2430 [15:49:03] <Haohmaru> but that's just me
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2433 [15:49:24] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Haohmaru in the case of a UI it can makes sense to do that since physical size of the GUI elements is relevent
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2435 [15:49:56] <l1Ll1Ll1L> yet the higher resolution still allows for greater detail
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2437 [15:50:37] <Haohmaru> the only logic i find in a higher resolution is being able to have more stuff on screen.. and that means to keep the DPI low
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2439 [15:50:45] <aura> what about 4k on 31"
2440 [15:50:55] <Haohmaru> ..and increase the physical size of the screen proportionally with the resolution
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2443 [15:51:15] <Haohmaru> i don't know.. i'm on a 19" 1280x1024
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2446 [15:51:39] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Ideally you would allow control over UI scaling so it doesn't become an issue
2447 [15:51:44] <Haohmaru> i'd get a bigger display with more pixels but same DPI if possible.. but not a higher DPI
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2449 [15:52:40] <Haohmaru> l1Ll1Ll1L, the issue i have is that at this DPI i already can't clearly "appreciate" all the detail.. so if the DPI goes up (like the tendancy is) then that extra detail is basically useless
2450 [15:52:44] <jelly> aura, supposed gnome deals with hidpi ok, but other apps still vary
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2452 [15:53:08] <Haohmaru> yes, gnome has these giant GUI widgets x_x
2453 [15:53:17] <Haohmaru> they probably scale up even more
2454 [15:53:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Haohmaru, that definitely depends on what you are doing. For some use cases we have had sufficient displays for decades, for others no so much
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2456 [15:54:08] <l1Ll1Ll1L> part of my still misses my viewsonic 1280x1024 CRT =P
2457 [15:54:10] <l1Ll1Ll1L> *me
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2459 [15:54:34] <Haohmaru> CRT is a proper display.. these LCDs are utter crap
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2462 [15:55:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I used to feel that way, but high resolution is nice for web browsing and writing code
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2464 [15:55:30] <l1Ll1Ll1L> and that requires modern monitors
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2466 [15:55:39] <Haohmaru> higher DPI LCDs just makes the ugly stuff harder to see, and you think it's gone.. but it's still right there
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2469 [15:56:16] <Haohmaru> it cause font AA algorithms to be wrong because they are view on a bad display (LCD)
2470 [15:56:32] <Haohmaru> a square pixel is not what a pixel should be
2471 [15:56:49] <Haohmaru> but that's a different story
2472 [15:56:55] <l1Ll1Ll1L> Well let's just work toward the day when we all have a display port in our optic nerve then
2473 [15:57:15] <Haohmaru> nah.. what needs to happen is actual LED displays
2474 [15:57:34] <Haohmaru> with a tiny LED for each pixel.. and i mean a tiny one, not a huge one
2475 [15:57:43] <l1Ll1Ll1L> but the market has spoken, didn't you know the market is always right? O_O
2476 [15:57:48] <Haohmaru> there needs to be a kind of lowpass filter on the screen
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2479 [15:58:22] <Haohmaru> CRT looked good because it had it
2480 [15:58:29] <Haohmaru> everything on the CRT looked good
2481 [15:59:01] <Haohmaru> AA fonts that looked good on CRT didn't look right on LCDs, guess why
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2488 [16:01:26] <l1Ll1Ll1L> the main thing I liked about CRT was support for multiple native resolutions
2489 [16:01:36] <l1Ll1Ll1L> that was nice for gaming on last-gen graphics cards
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2495 [16:04:21] <Haohmaru> "native" ?
2496 [16:04:37] <Haohmaru> LCDs can do multiple resolutions too
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2498 [16:05:15] <Haohmaru> they of course only look kinda okay on one resolution
2499 [16:05:27] <Haohmaru> ..for that same reason
2500 [16:05:43] <l1Ll1Ll1L> lol well yeah because they have a physically determined, aka native resolution
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2502 [16:05:49] <Haohmaru> no
2503 [16:05:51] <l1Ll1Ll1L> unless I'm missing something
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2505 [16:06:00] <Haohmaru> because their pixels are square and big
2506 [16:06:22] <Haohmaru> there's effectively nothing to act as an optical lowpass filter
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2509 [16:07:02] <Haohmaru> the actual display is thus "aliased" .. so your ideal font AA algorithm no longer looks right on this display
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2511 [16:07:35] <greycat> LCDs definitely have a native resolution, and any other resolution is emulated poorly on the fly
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2534 [16:14:40] <l1Ll1Ll1L> I'd be interested in a layman's explanation of a low pass filter though, Haohmaru
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2537 [16:16:00] <Haohmaru> l1Ll1Ll1L, think of two neighbouring pixels.. lets ignore for a moment that it's actually R G and B, and let's think as if it's a a single color
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2542 [16:16:47] <l1Ll1Ll1L> presumably two pixels that would be reduced to one pixel?
2543 [16:16:48] <Haohmaru> in signal processing, you need to have enough gaps between each pixel, and some lowpass filter
2544 [16:17:38] <Haohmaru> in reality, it is more equivalent to a pixel being a wide diffused square, with only extremely tiny gaps (the grid) sepparating the pixels
2545 [16:17:51] <Haohmaru> this means aliasing
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2549 [16:18:24] <Haohmaru> you have aliasing as part of your display, congratulations! and good luck with all of the existing graphics algorithms
2550 [16:18:52] <Haohmaru> the worst thing is that these algorithms were changed to compensate for the ugliness
2551 [16:19:54] <Haohmaru> that's wrong but it looks "right" on a wrong display.. so people are fine with that x_x
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2553 [16:20:11] <l1Ll1Ll1L> =P
2554 [16:20:12] <stree> =p
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2561 [16:22:02] <Haohmaru> remember CRT monitors? they had small RGB dots surrounded by plenty of black
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2563 [16:23:02] <Haohmaru> they didn't really have a lowpass filter.. but when you see that blurry enough (when it's small enough) you effectively become the lowpass filter
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2565 [16:23:21] <Haohmaru> but the ratio of pixel light and black surroundings was proper
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2567 [16:24:39] <Haohmaru> this requires that your dots be brighter since they are smaller
2568 [16:25:16] <Haohmaru> LCDs probably didn't want to be brighter so they increased the pixel area and reduced the "black" area.. that's so bad
2569 [16:25:52] <jrmu> Anyone know of a good command-line css/html validator that is in the debian repos?
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2617 [16:45:09] <jrmu> ...silence again. Maybe such a util doesn't exist?
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2624 [16:46:52] <crazyb0y> jrmu: try 'tidy'
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2626 [16:46:59] <johnkeates> i'd say: apt-cache search validator | grep css
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2628 [16:47:28] <crazyb0y> jrmu: It's more than a validator: it doesn't only check if your HTML is valid, but also tries to fix it. But you can just look at the errors and warnings and ignore the fix if you want.
2629 [16:47:53] <johnkeates> there are linters, they work too
2630 [16:47:57] <jmcnaught> aptitude search ~Gworks-with-format::html~Guse::checking
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2632 [16:48:01] <johnkeates> there are pip and npm packages too
2633 [16:48:12] <jrmu> crazyb0y, johnkeates : thanks. For tidy, somehow I remember it was quiet out of date
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2638 [16:49:30] <jrmu> johnkeates: ah, I see. Hmm, I'll have to learn how the pip and npm package managers work
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2642 [16:50:13] <jrmu> jmcnaught: thanks, I will give that a look as well
2643 [16:50:31] <jmcnaught> jrmu: my #1 rule with language package managers is never as root
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2657 [16:56:39] <jrmu> jmcnaught: pip/npm run as root?
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2671 [17:00:32] <jmcnaught> jrmu: yeah, don't do it. if you use pip/npm/gem etc install to a local project directory, for a local user, in a virtualenv
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2675 [17:01:39] <jrmu> jmcnaught: thanks for the heads up. OK, let me give aptitude a look first then
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2677 [17:01:55] <jmcnaught> jrmu: with any of those language package managers there's a way to make it work as a non-privileged user, and that's preferred because of 1. trust issues and 2. not spraying random files all over the place
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2679 [17:02:35] <jmcnaught> jrmu: replaced-url
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2682 [17:03:44] <greycat> I never understood this "in a virtualenv" thing. How are you supposed to install programs using pip/cpan/etc. so that they can actually be *used*?
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2686 [17:04:36] <nkuttler> greycat: you activate the env, and pip install them..
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2689 [17:05:09] <nkuttler> greycat: or you use the full path to the env, then you don't need to activate it. see also #python
2690 [17:05:22] <greycat> Skipping the entire "activate the env" mystery for a few minutes, how do ordinary users run the program that you have installed?
2691 [17:05:53] <nkuttler> greycat: they don't, that's the point. it's for one user
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2694 [17:06:07] * greycat continues not doing that, then
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2698 [17:06:38] <jmcnaught> if you want all of your users to run the program than /usr/local makes more sense. but if you're installing pip packages for a single django project, they don't need to be installed system-wide
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2702 [17:06:48] <jmcnaught> *then
2703 [17:07:05] * greycat continues not knowing what a django is either, other than a Tarantino movie
2704 [17:07:54] <nkuttler> you used to be more curious about the world
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2706 [17:08:56] <Guest96592> sry, Any1 can tell me why in Debian 9 i cant read Logs (GUI in gnome) as user ? i Know probably its basic question
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2709 [17:09:47] <nkuttler> Guest96592: you're probably not in the adm group, which can read most logs
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2722 [17:15:00] <JethroTux> hi all. srry if being ignorant, but I'm currently running latest debian 8.9 jessie. Is that an LTS distro or should I move to stretch? thanks.
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2727 [17:16:48] <babilen> JethroTux: replaced-url
2728 [17:17:01] <jmcnaught> JethroTux: replaced-url
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2735 [17:20:33] <JethroTux> I feel comfortable with latest jessie even if running an old kernel rls. So it's ok with me, I wanted to know if i'll get security upgrades. I wouldn't like to have my system "broken" after a release update.
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2739 [17:21:05] <greycat> Jessie is fully supported for the next 10-11 months, and will have LTS (reduced) support after that.
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2741 [17:21:29] <babilen> JethroTux: You aren't running jessie with its default kernel? And what do you hope to gain by not upgrading? Security support for stretch will definitely be more comprehensive than for jessie
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2743 [17:21:56] <babilen> But there is no need to upgrade right away
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2746 [17:22:05] <babilen> You will have to at one point, so why not now?
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2748 [17:22:36] <mxh-> gotta confess i just came back to debian since jessie didn't handle grub install on my nvme drive... for like a year
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2752 [17:23:45] <JethroTux> babilen, I do have bad experiences about aupgrading distros. I mean i'm more on "if it ain't broke, dont fix it" side
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2755 [17:24:18] <jelly> JethroTux, other distros are not Debian, and vice-versa
2756 [17:24:20] <Guest96592> nkuttler, Thank You, il add me to adm group and its works
2757 [17:24:20] <JethroTux> but security is another thing
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2761 [17:25:36] <babilen> JethroTux: There are obviously many things that factor into the decision from the usage of the system to the time of day and your level of alertness
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2765 [17:26:42] <babilen> I wouldn't for example recommend to upgrade a system that will be deleted in a day while not having slept for 36h while it is mission critical for my company in the next 6 hours
2766 [17:27:05] <JethroTux> if I get security patches then it's ok for me to have an old distro rls.
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2772 [17:28:04] <JethroTux> so my question still is, is that ok if I still run jessie
2773 [17:28:14] <jelly> "yes but plan to upgrade"
2774 [17:28:30] <mxh-> lol you guys just made me check my old box
2775 [17:28:30] <babilen> It's all a matter of priorities
2776 [17:28:34] <mxh-> mxh@debian:~$ uptime => 11:27:21 up 407 days, 20:35
2777 [17:28:38] <stree> going on windows box? i think
2778 [17:28:46] <JethroTux> thx
2779 [17:28:50] <jelly> JethroTux, I still have more wheezies than jessies or stretches.
2780 [17:28:57] <JethroTux> haha
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2782 [17:29:09] <jelly> and one etch.
2783 [17:29:11] <babilen> Same here, but there are reasons why those boxes can not be upgraded
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2785 [17:29:25] <babilen> Oh, no etch and only a few squeeze boxes around
2786 [17:29:26] <jelly> the reason is "time"
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2788 [17:29:37] <JethroTux> jelly, i chose debian first coz I thought I have not to get mad with upgrades
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2791 [17:29:48] <JethroTux> I do run archlinux on another server
2792 [17:29:53] <babilen> That doesn't mean that I'm happy about that and that i would recommend to run wheezy/jessie on a box if upgrading them is an option
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2796 [17:30:16] <jelly> JethroTux, that's fine, and once every 2-3-5 years isn't really mad
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2799 [17:30:18] <babilen> Upgrading on Debian is relatively hassle free and can be done in a couple of minutes
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2802 [17:30:43] <jelly> babilen, if you mean "patching" by "upgrading" then yes
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2804 [17:30:50] <greycat> babilen: Lies.
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2806 [17:30:59] <babilen> greycat: What am I lying about?
2807 [17:31:01] <stree> was lying
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2810 [17:31:11] <jelly> if you mean a release upgrade, then no, it's never minutes
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2812 [17:31:21] <greycat> Upgrading of a *core* Debian system with no optional or local packages, no desktop, nothing fancy, can be done in half an hour and usually works.
2813 [17:31:29] <babilen> I can easily upgrade a box in 15-45 minutes
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2817 [17:31:38] <JethroTux> jelly, what I do am scared of, is that i could break something while upgrading. So maybe the best way to do it is to make a clean install
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2820 [17:31:49] <jelly> babilen, 15 is not a couple
2821 [17:31:53] <babilen> Less if I have the service configuration in my CM system already
2822 [17:32:07] <petn-randall> JethroTux: There's no need to reinstall on every release. But it's good practice to check your current backups before upgrading.
2823 [17:32:08] <babilen> I wasn't referring to 2 minutes
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2825 [17:32:15] <jelly> and the sunk cost of having a working CM system is unmentioned
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2827 [17:32:47] <babilen> As I said earlier: It depends on many factors, but *iff* the upgrade is easy then I see no reason not to
2828 [17:32:50] <jelly> (so yeah, I'm going with greycat on the "lies" there)
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2830 [17:33:48] <babilen> Seriously, I've upgraded many boxes in the last couple of, well, years and while there are some time consuming things (e.g. apache 2.2 → 2.4) that require your attention it really isn't that bad
2831 [17:33:50] <jelly> JethroTux, you WILL break something, but most of those somethings are mentioned in the release notes, and can be tested on a test clone
2832 [17:33:58] <Cl0udN9ne> the world is a lie
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2836 [17:34:34] <babilen> There simply is no way to boil this down to "no problem", "done in 5 minutes", "always a good idea to do it NOW"
2837 [17:34:46] <jelly> unless you have identical boxes, or trivial chroots, time spent for me is never less than 2 hours
2838 [17:34:54] <babilen> But, by and large, release upgrades on Debian are working quite well and can be done quite fast
2839 [17:35:14] <jelly> and they work.
2840 [17:35:36] <babilen> 2 hours? For every box?
2841 [17:35:41] <greycat> Yeah.
2842 [17:35:58] <jelly> but not done in a couple minutes, no, not when explaining things to JethroTux weary of doing it
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2844 [17:36:08] <greycat> Maybe more, maybe less, depends on how many things change/break and have to be tracked down.
2845 [17:36:14] <jelly> babilen, except the identical ones.
2846 [17:36:24] <babilen> Or reasonably similar ones
2847 [17:36:54] <jelly> those with hostname and ip differences.
2848 [17:37:12] <babilen> But sure, if you have a production server for which you cannot afford downtime, with years of manual configuration changes that stray from is considered a "normal" setup then things can take forever
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2850 [17:37:35] <petn-randall> IMO it really makes a difference between HDDs and ((raid with writeback cache or SSDs)). Latter is done pretty quickly, the former can take 2 hours on a desktop.
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2852 [17:37:51] <babilen> In the end it depends on, as said, on many factors and to give a reasonable answer we have to learn more about JethroTux's system
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2857 [17:38:05] <babilen> petn-randall: Aye, running on SSDs
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2860 [17:38:21] <petn-randall> Especially since there are lots of fdatasync() done by dpkg.
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2862 [17:38:33] <babilen> And we've upgraded quite a few boxes quite fast a couple of weeks back
2863 [17:38:49] <jelly> petn-randall, lately I'm cheating by migrating whole boxes to VM first, taking a snapshot, then doing release upgrade on storage with 16GB write cache
2864 [17:39:02] <jelly> them migrating back when it works
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2868 [17:39:17] <jelly> also, eatmydata and policy-rc.d
2869 [17:39:47] <jelly> dpkg is silly, and I _know_ I'm going to reboot at the end
2870 [17:39:47] <dpkg> wish i knew, jelly
2871 [17:40:00] <Schwarzbaer> Hi. I want to input Japanese, so I went through replaced-url
2872 [17:40:10] <babilen> The thing that takes time is the adaptation necessary for new service versions that is time that is entirely unrelated to the upgrade of a single box
2873 [17:40:39] <jelly> then your definition of release upgrade is a lie :->
2874 [17:40:43] <petn-randall> Well, if you migrate VMs and switch them to unsafe writeback before upgrading, things go considerably faster, anyway. And since you took a snapshot before the upgade, there's not much to loose. If the upgrade fails, you just restore the old state.
2875 [17:40:47] <JethroTux> i upgraded from ubuntu (upstart init) to systemd and wooh, I made a mess, that's why I'm afraid to break everythinh but maybe tjats another story
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2878 [17:41:45] <petn-randall> Schwarzbaer: There's a Japanese support channel, I imagine you could get an answer pretty quickly there.
2879 [17:41:48] <petn-randall> !jp
2880 [17:41:48] <dpkg> Japanese speakers: please use #debianjp on irc.debian.or.jp or speak English here.
2881 [17:41:57] <stree> or jp, but darn removing the mdadm
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2883 [17:42:58] <babilen> JethroTux: Ubuntu is not comparable in this regard .. but you might want to provide some information about your system: What kind of system is it? (e.g. unimportant laptop, private box you require for work, server in qa/testing/dev, server in production, ...). What kind of services do you run? (and so on)
2884 [17:43:41] <Schwarzbaer> Thanks, petn-randall
2885 [17:44:04] <jelly> JethroTux, not surprised if it was a desktop 6-month release. Their LTS release upgrades are a bit more polished.
2886 [17:44:37] <JethroTux> i'm running jessie 8.9 on this netbook asus 1025c. i'm rinning mate as DE and it just runs great!
2887 [17:44:54] <JethroTux> i had to install a modded bios for x64
2888 [17:44:58] <Schwarzbaer> Aaaand that channel is empty.
2889 [17:44:58] <babilen> Schwarzbaer: It would help to know which desktop environment/window manager you use .. I happily use ibus-mozc on i3. ありがとう！
2890 [17:44:59] <jelly> eh, keep using it
2891 [17:45:15] <Schwarzbaer> babilen, Gnome.
2892 [17:45:18] <jelly> long time til 2020
2893 [17:45:40] <babilen> Let me take a look at that link
2894 [17:45:43] <petn-randall> Schwarzbaer: Are you sure you connected to the right IRC network? Note that it is /not/ on freenode.
2895 [17:46:01] <JethroTux> if i'm covered with bugs and security issues I do not have reasons to upgrade so thats what i wanted to be sured
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2897 [17:46:11] <JethroTux> o
2898 [17:46:12] <JethroTux> f
2899 [17:46:42] <greycat> Jessie is fully supported right now.
2900 [17:46:50] <Schwarzbaer> ... Oops...
2901 [17:47:08] <JethroTux> should be till 2020? I could be dead in 2020 lo
2902 [17:47:25] <greycat> Full support ends ~1 year after stretch's release, so another 10-11 months of that.
2903 [17:47:29] <babilen> Schwarzbaer: Hmm, haven't used it on Gnome. Let me try :)
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2905 [17:48:00] <greycat> Jessie LTS hasn't been initiated yet (no need).
2906 [17:48:01] <jelly> and jessie LTS will end around 2020
2907 [17:48:20] <jelly> because their goal is 5 years of support per release, starting from the release date
2908 [17:48:45] <JethroTux> jelly, so will jessie become LTS automatically?
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2910 [17:49:04] <greycat> From your point of view, it's automatic.
2911 [17:49:10] <jelly> right
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2913 [17:49:31] <babilen> JethroTux: There is no need to upgrade now, you can look up the support type you can expect at given times (cf. the LTS wiki linked earlier by me) and draw your conclusions. Stretch will probably get the best security support at this point in time and if you purely optimise for that you should upgrade. It all boils down to your priorities and my impression is that you don't want to upgrade, so you don't
2914 [17:49:37] <babilen> *have* to. (but you never will)
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2917 [17:50:10] <greycat> If you don't need any of the new stretch features, there is absolutely no compelling reason to upgrade now.
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2919 [17:50:33] <jelly> it used to be less automatic for squeeze, but wheezy-lts and onwards just use the very same security.d.o repos so yeah it's pretty automatic
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2921 [17:50:54] <JethroTux> babilen, everything works seamlessy right now, I mean I do not have some newr cpu support
2922 [17:51:08] <greycat> All the more reason not to touch it :)
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2924 [17:51:31] <JethroTux> right
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2927 [17:51:49] <jelly> JethroTux, then don't upgrade. If you have intel gpu, those drivers tend to get regressions after a couple years, so yeah, if you upgrade you may or may not see something break
2928 [17:52:44] <babilen> JethroTux: It really is up to you and your priorities .. if your *only* priority is the best security support you should probably upgrade, but I am not 100% sure about that either as new software versions could have bugs that are not present in jessie (or vice versa). It is, however, likely that the security support for jessie from Debian is not better (but may be equal) than the one for stretch
2929 [17:52:45] <JethroTux> it's kinda strange runinng 3.16.04
2930 [17:52:57] <JethroTux> when I have latest 4.13 on arch
2931 [17:53:00] <JethroTux> :)
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2933 [17:53:39] <jelly> and how often do things break on arch
2934 [17:53:43] <greycat> The security team tends to release patches for both stable and oldstable at the same time. Usually.
2935 [17:53:45] <JethroTux> mmm
2936 [17:53:56] <jelly> 4.13 isn't even out yet
2937 [17:54:07] <JethroTux> jelly, not much but it happens sometimes
2938 [17:54:14] <JethroTux> broken dependencies
2939 [17:54:31] <JethroTux> and this kinda things, but they get fixed soon
2940 [17:54:49] <JethroTux> i meant 4.12
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2943 [17:55:20] <babilen> greycat: I just deem it more likely that the main focus is stable and not oldstable, so if you optimise for that you'd pick stable
2944 [17:56:11] <JethroTux> if I had a working linux cluster I will surely not run arch on production servers
2945 [17:56:25] <jelly> the main focus should be both
2946 [17:56:47] <jelly> and looking at DSA mails, it seems to be that way
2947 [17:56:48] <babilen> jelly: And it will be in most cases
2948 [17:57:01] <JethroTux> i feel just so comfortable with debian
2949 [17:57:07] <babilen> It is just unlikely that oldstable gets better security support than stable
2950 [17:57:19] <jelly> let's agree to disagree on that one :-)
2951 [17:57:28] <JethroTux> babilen, but it should be covered anyway
2952 [17:57:41] <jelly> (older software often gets to be notaffected)
2953 [17:57:43] <babilen> jelly: You think oldstable gets better support?
2954 [17:58:07] <jelly> by its nature
2955 [17:58:07] <babilen> notaffected doesn't require work from Debian
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2957 [17:58:15] <greycat> Yes it does.
2958 [17:58:29] <greycat> Verification that a package is unaffected is work.
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2960 [17:58:49] <babilen> Sure, but that bug doesn't require to be fixed
2961 [17:59:07] <petn-randall> Maybe we want to move this to -offtopic?
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2965 [18:00:06] <babilen> I think it can be dropped .. but still, if one *only* looks at the focus of the security team I think it's safe to say that it is stable and not oldstable. Note that that doesn't say anything about problems in newer versions (see above for that)
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2983 [18:05:37] <RandomGuyOnIrc> when I open this link, replaced-url
2984 [18:06:13] <greycat> Sounds like a #curl question.
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2986 [18:06:21] <stree> was magical cure that sounds right
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2988 [18:07:31] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I am at #curl, I asked about 30 minutes ago. No reply. Ye it is a #curl question. I asked here because I am not getting help over there.
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2991 [18:09:03] <Cl0udN9ne> hello,help needed
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2993 [18:09:28] <Cl0udN9ne> while doing apt-get install gcc-7,i get the following error
2994 [18:09:29] <Cl0udN9ne> replaced-url
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2997 [18:10:16] <towo`> there is no gcc-7 in debian stable
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2999 [18:10:29] <petn-randall> !bat
3000 [18:10:29] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
3001 [18:10:32] <petn-randall> Cl0udN9ne: ^^^
3002 [18:10:43] <stree> more information: dpkg search, dpkg? whatcha projecting
3003 [18:10:53] <mrig> Hello, I have question about the following documentation :~ replaced-url
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3006 [18:12:13] <mrig> The second code block under the configuration sub headding.
3007 [18:12:14] <petn-randall> mrig: That would be *within* the chroot. But check the bug report if it's been resolved. Then the docs would be obsolete.
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3012 [18:13:11] <mrig> petn-randall: ah, I suspected as much, as I have run in my system, can I just reverse the addresses and re run the command as such?
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3014 [18:14:41] <petn-randall> mrig: check the man page. You likely have to remove the symlink "/usr/bin/ischroot", then use dpkg-divert --remove.
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3017 [18:15:06] <mrig> petn-randall: thank you for the pointer.
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3034 [18:20:03] <luxius> so after doing 'sudo apt-get install nodejs', shouldn't I be able to run 'npm'?
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3038 [18:20:35] <SuperTramp83> luxius, nope
3039 [18:20:41] <petn-randall> luxius: The package you're looking for is 'npm'.
3040 [18:21:32] <luxius> when I try 'sudo apt-get install npm' I get: "E: Unable to locate package npm"
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3042 [18:21:52] <petn-randall> luxius: Which release are you running?
3043 [18:21:57] <luxius> Stretch
3044 [18:21:58] <petn-randall> ,v npm
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3047 [18:22:00] <judd> Package: npm on amd64 -- sid: 1.4.21+ds-2; jessie: 1.4.21+ds-2
3048 [18:22:07] <SuperTramp83> luxius, that's because there is no such package in Stretch
3049 [18:22:17] <luxius> oh ... how come?
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3051 [18:22:34] <petn-randall> luxius: Oh, my bad. It got removed from stretch.
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3054 [18:22:42] <samkod> Hey everyone, I'm working on a new PC build and plan to dual boot stretch with windows 7 using uefi. I was reading the windowsdualboot page on the debian wiki and it says it is recomended to format the entire disk as GPT prior to installing either OS. Out of curiosity why is this recomended?
3055 [18:22:50] <stree> to work recomended this channel
3056 [18:23:12] <SuperTramp83> luxius, was the greatest disappointment for me on Stretch. That and profanity
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3058 [18:23:22] <petn-randall> samkod: Because the legacy MSDOS partition has several limitations. UEFI and GPT usually go hand-in-hand.
3059 [18:23:35] <luxius> SuperTramp83, profanity?
3060 [18:24:02] <SuperTramp83> luxius, profanity.im
3061 [18:24:11] <SuperTramp83> another missing package
3062 [18:24:49] <luxius> samkod, I run a dual boot on UEFI with no problems.
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3064 [18:24:54] <samkod> That I completely understand. Isn't GPT generally small like the MBR?
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3072 [18:26:18] <samkod> I suppose my only confusion is why the whole disk GPT when we're going to be dealing with swap, ext4, and ntfs post OS install. Or am I completely missing the point?
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3074 [18:27:15] <Bliepo> samkod: GPT is the partition table
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3076 [18:27:20] <petn-randall> samkod: GPT is not a filesystem, it's a disk partitioning format.
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3078 [18:27:42] <Bliepo> Basically it keeps track of which partition is located where
3079 [18:27:47] <luxius> samkod - you don't have to "upgrade" to GPT. You can, maybe, but you don't have to.
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3082 [18:28:35] <Bliepo> If things work as they are -> keep it as it is
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3084 [18:28:57] <jelly> samkod, as to why -- because windows usually really wants gpt for the boot disk if you boot with uefi, and linux doesn't mind either way
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3087 [18:29:24] <luxius> ok, this is weird, if I have nodejs installed, shouldn't I have 'node' installed?
3088 [18:29:31] <samkod> Ahhh okay that's what I was missing that totally makes sense now
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3091 [18:30:15] <Bliepo> Windows also supports MBR on UEFI -> replaced-url
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3093 [18:30:26] <petn-randall> luxius: 'apt-file search' is probably what you are looking for.
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3096 [18:30:55] <luxius> Bliepo, I know Win7 works on UEFI, but later editions might want GPT.
3097 [18:31:11] <Bliepo> luxius: I believe so yes
3098 [18:32:06] <luxius> petn-randall, apt-file is not installed
3099 [18:32:17] <petn-randall> luxius: then install it.
3100 [18:32:18] <jelly> Bliepo, I don't really see where on that page things say "windows will install and boot MBR disk with UEFI enabled"
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3102 [18:32:38] <Bliepo> I just noticed myself
3103 [18:32:47] <luxius> petn-randall, care to explain what apt-file is and why I need it?
3104 [18:33:17] <jelly> Bliepo, in fact it seems to point exactly to the opposite, either pick MBR + legacy BIOS, or GPT + UEFI
3105 [18:33:32] <Bliepo> Yup, seems I was wrong
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3107 [18:34:04] <luxius> however, samkod probably already has Win7 installed on UEFI and doesn't need to worry about it.
3108 [18:34:24] <petn-randall> luxius: You can read the package description in your package manager of choice, or with 'apt show apt-file'. You can search which packages provide which files with it.
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3118 [18:39:03] <luxius> ... doing apt-file update :)
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3128 [18:43:41] <luxius> petn-randall, then I did 'apt-file search node' and got a million directories - can you help me further?
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3130 [18:44:37] <petn-randall> luxius: 'apt-file search /usr/bin/node' maybe?
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3132 [18:44:55] <greycat> ,file bin/node
3133 [18:44:59] <judd> Search for bin/node in stretch/amd64: nodejs-legacy: usr/bin/node
3134 [18:45:22] <greycat> nodejs-legacy - evented I/O for V8 javascript (legacy symlink)
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3137 [18:45:59] <luxius> Is there a place where Debian noobs can ask questions?
3138 [18:46:04] <greycat> You're in it.
3139 [18:46:15] <luxius> I just don't understand a thing of what you said ...
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3141 [18:46:34] <greycat> I asked the bot named "judd" to find the file for me, specifying a partial pathname.
3142 [18:46:35] <luxius> am I searching for a file on my system?
3143 [18:46:56] <jelly> just go and install the "nodejs-legacy" package
3144 [18:47:00] <greycat> Then I pasted the package short description from my own system's output of "apt-cache search --names-only nodejs" that I had previously done.
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3148 [18:48:39] <greycat> I'm really curious where this "legacy symlink" points and how you're intended to run the thing if you don't use the "legacy symlink".
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3150 [18:48:49] <greycat> But not curious enough to install the thing. *shudder*
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3155 [18:49:43] <luxius> jelly was helpful ^^
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3159 [18:51:45] <babilen> greycat: node → nodejs -- node was never a particularly good name
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3161 [18:52:27] <greycat> ,file bin/nodejs
3162 [18:52:31] <judd> Search for bin/nodejs in stretch/amd64: nodejs: usr/bin/nodejs
3163 [18:52:34] <greycat> OK, thanks
3164 [18:52:39] <stree> greycat: ok
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3168 [18:55:03] <luxius> v4.8.2 is an older version ... *sigh*
3169 [18:55:18] <greycat> ,v nodejs
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3171 [18:55:19] <judd> Package: nodejs on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.10.29~dfsg-1~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.10.29~dfsg-2; jessie-backports: 4.8.2~dfsg-1~bpo8+1; stretch: 4.8.2~dfsg-1; buster: 4.8.4~dfsg-1; sid: 4.8.4~dfsg-1; experimental: 6.11.1~dfsg-1
3172 [18:55:38] <luxius> I do understand why Debian works as it does with stable releases and all, but seriously ... it's old.
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3174 [18:56:44] <mxh-> luxius: while discouraged, for node a 3rd party repo is 100% worth replaced-url
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3176 [18:56:57] <greycat> replaced-url
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3180 [18:57:48] <greycat> If I'm reading the table right, it's part of a feature-set branch with an element codename that was started on 2015-10-12.
3181 [18:58:01] <greycat> I don't consider anything less than two years old to be "seriously ... old".
3182 [18:58:05] <luxius> mxh-, that's what I'm considering all the while I consider changing to a different distro :)
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3184 [18:58:30] <greycat> If YOU consider things that are less than two years old to be "obsolete" then by all means go find a distribution that caters to that kind of attention span.
3185 [18:58:41] <mxh-> luxius: you can also backport. i backport browsers and dev tools.
3186 [18:58:51] <greycat> I'm already cranky because of the "js", which is why I don't intend to install it.
3187 [18:59:08] <mxh-> greycat: well node 8 comes with a version of NPM that has a very good feature that v4 lacks, for example
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3189 [18:59:22] <mxh-> greycat: JS moves... too fast, yeah :)
3190 [18:59:24] <raktajino> luxius: nodejs moves (and breaks) a lot faster than most of what's in the debian repos. You're not going to get the latest bleeding edge whatever without using some nonsense like NVM
3191 [18:59:35] <raktajino> (or the third party repo)
3192 [18:59:40] <greycat> Javascript can go die in a fire any time now.
3193 [19:00:11] <raktajino> This. Along with all the snowflake version manager BS.
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3195 [19:00:37] <mxh-> JS is nice. the over eager community needs to chill. my 5 cents
3196 [19:00:43] <luxius> Unfortunately it's what a lot of apps use today ...
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3198 [19:00:59] <raktajino> luxius: so use the third party repo
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3200 [19:01:17] <mxh-> you don't HAVE to buy into every FOTM just because you develop in JS :)
3201 [19:01:27] <luxius> Thank you all for all your help :)
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3204 [19:01:55] <raktajino> mxh-: please tell my developers
3205 [19:02:01] * raktajino cries into their coffee
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3208 [19:03:09] <mxh-> raktajino: can't ;) just make sure you're not the one stagnating. my boss was really sceptical about bringing in Vue until he realized how sweet it was, for a random example.
3209 [19:04:36] <raktajino> I shouldn't complain too much, it could be worse.
3210 [19:04:47] <raktajino> my boss did not drink the js kool aid
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3269 [19:44:08] <AMartin> Hi, I have a very old PC (1999) with old graphic card. I was happy that it runs, and even more that it runs with Debian 9. However, Mesa 7.11 was the last version that had 3D support for many old cards including mine. I tried to install Mesa 7.11 but one library didn't let me install xserver-xorg-video-savage (driver for my card), therefore I'm lost. Is it possible to have in Debian 9 a Mesa 7.11 and what would be the easiest way to do this?
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3281 [19:49:17] <AMartin> (PS) I downloaded all Mesa packages manually, and xserver-xorg I try to install from repo of Debian 9. I was wondering, if it would be possible to have some repo with old packages? Do you know any?
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3285 [19:50:01] <badargo> hey guys, whats the point about having screens in a terminal? isnt that the same thing as opening many terminal windows?
3286 [19:50:24] <badargo> could it be all about splitting a terminal window in 2 or more parts maybe?
3287 [19:50:26] <greycat> AMartin: What happens when you try to install xserver-xorg-video-savage?
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3290 [19:51:21] <Brigo> AMartin, Debian 8 packages are still availabe in the ftp. You can find more in archive.debian.org
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3292 [19:51:52] <greycat> If all else fails, the fallback strategy is to reinstall with Debian 8.
3293 [19:52:05] <pie3> any C/Python user?
3294 [19:52:12] <greycat> *plonk*
3295 [19:52:37] <abrotman> pie3: there's a channel for that, this is for Debian support
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3301 [19:53:43] <knstn> Is there a ...recipe/way to find out why a symlink is broken? File deletion-path change-file rename
3302 [19:53:46] <AMartin> greycat: it's complaining about the libgbm1 version - and this one has different libwayland0. New libgmb1 has instead 2 libraries: libwayland-client0 and libwayland-server0. I have never ever had any Debian 8 on it, and Debian 8 doesn't have Mesa 7.11 to my knowledge
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3305 [19:55:07] <abrotman> knstn: there are countless reasons why
3306 [19:55:42] <petn-randall> knstn: Ask your real question.
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3309 [19:56:15] <knstn> petn-randall: abrotman: yes i know. my issue here is how to know the reason why, so i can fix it.i know how to locate the etc
3310 [19:56:32] <knstn> *them*
3311 [19:56:49] <Rust3dCor3> Hi. Ive foobared by nvidia driver installation badly. Now Im reinstalling debian. What should i do to make the driver work and to not foobar my system? I dont need novenau driver to work so it can be blacklisted.
3312 [19:57:19] <petn-randall> knstn: There is no straight forward way to find out after the fact. Which symlink are we talking about?
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3315 [19:57:54] <greycat> AMartin: oooohhhhhhhh... your problem wasn't when you tried to install the -savage driver. Your problem was you tried to install an old version of some unspecified mesa package.
3316 [19:58:36] <petn-randall> ,v xserver-xorg-video-savage
3317 [19:58:37] <judd> Package: xserver-xorg-video-savage on amd64 -- wheezy: 1:2.3.4-1; jessie: 1:2.3.7-2+b2; buster: 1:2.3.9-1; stretch: 1:2.3.9-1; sid: 1:2.3.9-1
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3320 [19:59:45] <AMartin> greycat: correct. The goal is to have 3D accelleration for my grapthic card. Package xserver-xorg-video-savage didn't change much in recent years (if at all), so the issue is with xserver-xorg-core which demands newer version of libgbm1
3321 [20:00:06] <AMartin> and it has to be in i386 version
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3323 [20:00:13] <knstn> petn-randall: well that's the issue, i used find command, and got a ton in return. i thought to check it's one of them, and try to fix it, but it seems it's going to be time consuming, since there is no way for an auto-pointing out the cause in the first place
3324 [20:00:16] <greycat> So what is this unspecified mesa package you tried to install, where did it come from?
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3326 [20:01:10] <AMartin> greycat: well, the only thing I could find some .deb files are...(please don't laugh) launchpad.net
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3329 [20:01:45] <greycat> But you STILL can't even name the package. Was it libgl1-mesa-dri? libglu1-mesa?
3330 [20:01:52] <AMartin> I probably can go and install xserver-xorg-core from there as well, just wonder if all this dependency hell is worth and if there is a much simpler solution
3331 [20:02:08] <petn-randall> AMartin: That sounds a bit messy. Is there a reason you didn't stick with those packages provided by Debian?
3332 [20:02:11] <greycat> Yes, the simpler solution is to identify which version of Debian actually supports this card and install that version.
3333 [20:02:27] <AMartin> greycat: I have installed all of Mesa packages, libgl1-mesa-dri and glx, and others
3334 [20:02:32] <knstn> i typed "it's" instead of "each"... i probably need some nap
3335 [20:02:38] <greycat> ,v libgl1-mesa-dri
3336 [20:02:39] <judd> Package: libgl1-mesa-dri on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; wheezy: 8.0.5-4+deb7u2; jessie: 10.3.2-1+deb8u1; jessie-backports: 13.0.6-1~bpo8+1; buster: 13.0.6-1+b2; stretch: 13.0.6-1+b2; sid: 17.1.5-1
3337 [20:02:51] <greycat> And you claim that wheezy's version (8.0.5) is still too new?
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3339 [20:03:05] <petn-randall> knstn: You still haven't answered my question, though. Which symlinks are we talking about?
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3341 [20:03:18] <AMartin> petn-randall: yes, I couldn't find any .deb files with Mesa 7.11 or repository where I could simply apt-get install from
3342 [20:03:29] <petn-randall> knstn: You can show the command + output on replaced-url
3343 [20:03:56] <greycat> ah, packages.debian.org doesn't go back farther than wheezy either
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3345 [20:04:04] <AMartin> greycat: yes, all 3D support for old cards were cut in Mesa 8
3346 [20:04:35] <greycat> squeeze has Version: 7.7.1-6
3347 [20:04:49] <greycat> (Had to go to an actual squeeze system and run apt-cache show)
3348 [20:04:53] <towo`> mesa 7 packages would never install in debian 9
3349 [20:04:58] <AMartin> greycat: yes, and since I'm sitting on it a few days (and whole weekend) I decided to ask here
3350 [20:05:06] <greycat> So go install squeeze (Debian 6) and pray.
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3354 [20:06:18] <AMartin> greycat: yes, it was my idea as well, but wanted to have new system. Well, Mesa 7.11 is installed (all packages) so maybe I just go forward and install xserver-xorg-core and other things that my be needed if there is no other option..
3355 [20:06:32] <greycat> Or find a newer computer in a dumpster.
3356 [20:06:39] <knstn> petn-randall: here is an example replaced-url
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3363 [20:08:00] <AMartin> greycat: I do have a new one, quite powerful, but this feeling of an old PC you spend many years on.. and now you can have a Debian on it..priceless
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3366 [20:08:52] <kiwi_> Hello, comrades! I Just found a new file sharing program, it is called FOPNU. If you use Tixati, give it a try. Thank you
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3368 [20:09:13] <petn-randall> knstn: That is not a broken symlink. That's a broken filesystem.
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3374 [20:09:48] <knstn> petn-randall: what do you mean?
3375 [20:09:58] <petn-randall> knstn: That's why I was asking for you to show your problem. That way we could have skipped all this back and forth.
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3377 [20:10:32] <petn-randall> knstn: This is how a broken symlink looks like: lrwxrwxrwx 1 randall randall 6 Aug 1 14:10 broken_symlink -> foobaz
3378 [20:11:00] <petn-randall> knstn: What you have is not a broken symlink, your filesystem has a problem. I'd reboot and fsck it.
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3393 [20:13:51] <knstn> petn-randall: wait a minute, if i just ls -l "lock" appears in red color and black backround a.k.a. the definition of a broken symlink. Possible reasons: deletion of the target file/target file path change/target file name change
3394 [20:14:07] <knstn> petn-randall: i don't think the fs is broken
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3396 [20:14:34] <petn-randall> knstn: Are there question marks in the output? If yes, it's a filesystem problem.
3397 [20:15:19] <knstn> petn-randall: the question marks appear just because the way i invoked the ls command with option *-lL*
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3400 [20:16:57] <petn-randall> knstn: Then show me the output of 'ls -l lock'.
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3403 [20:18:56] <knstn> petn-randall: i didn't cause the paste.debian doesn't preserve colors. maybe this is better as you said replaced-url
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3405 [20:19:24] <tw> knstn: you're probably looking for something like: find . -type l ! -exec test -e {} \; -print
3406 [20:19:27] <greycat> What's the . after lrwxrwxrwx
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3408 [20:19:56] <petn-randall> greycat: extended ACLs.
3409 [20:19:59] <knstn> . SElinux context ACL or something
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3412 [20:20:35] <knstn> 11th character could be space/+/.
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3444 [20:31:59] <Ormu> i attached a mouse to my laptop and noticed the horrible pointer acceleration again... who thought that it's a good idea to have acceleration enabled by default? :|
3445 [20:32:20] <petn-randall> Ormu: It was Steve.
3446 [20:32:48] <Ormu> :o
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3448 [20:33:04] <cheapie> I do :P
3449 [20:33:12] <Ormu> some X11 version introduced it, i've seen it on many distros
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3457 [20:34:35] <petn-randall> Ormu: Then just turn it off? It's a bit pointless ranting about defaults if you can change it. There won't be a default that suits everyone.
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3460 [20:36:16] <Ormu> true
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3466 [20:37:32] <Ormu> but this can be yet another reason why average computer users think that desktop linux is not good
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3468 [20:37:55] <Ormu> i haven't yet seen a GUI mouse control app that can disable the new acceleration
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3470 [20:38:35] <petn-randall> Ormu: At least KDE, Gnome and Xfce have it in settings -> mouse or somewhere similar.
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3473 [20:39:01] <Ormu> the Xfce mouse control app doesn't seem to disable the acceleration anymore
3474 [20:39:11] <Ormu> or does it require a restart of X server?
3475 [20:39:17] <Ormu> (trying it now ->)
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3478 [20:39:33] <petn-randall> Ormu: no, it should take effect immediately.
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3488 [20:43:02] <Ormu> yeah. it didn't work.
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3491 [20:44:05] <petn-randall> Ormu: Then it may not be mouse acceleration you're seeing.
3492 [20:44:13] <Ormu> hm?
3493 [20:44:40] <Ormu> some non-linear mouse behavior anyway (moving slowly moves the pointer less than moving fast)
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3499 [20:47:05] <Ormu> I saw it first on Arch linux after an update. It's also described here how the behavior was changed. replaced-url
3500 [20:47:11] <Ormu> style of acceleration
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3503 [20:48:08] <petn-randall> Ormu: There might be. Have you checked the BTS is there is already a bug? There might be a workaround already listed there.
3504 [20:50:09] <Ormu> hm
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3521 [20:55:59] <_rubik> ^ Whoops
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3553 [21:08:10] <ryouma> Ormu: that can be set with xset in jessie at least
3554 [21:08:30] <hiya> I using KDE / Debian 9. I want to know how can I bold the text that appears on the title bar / menu bar etc?
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3556 [21:10:37] <BCMM> hiya: System Settings -> Fonts
3557 [21:11:33] <BCMM> hiya: title bar is the last one, "Window title", menu bar is "Menu", second to last
3558 [21:11:42] <Ormu> ryouma: in newer versions of X11, xset can't be used for that. I'm not sure if that's the case in Stretch, but I assume so
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3560 [21:11:49] <BCMM> if you want other parts of the interface changed too, "General" covers most of it
3561 [21:12:30] <greycat> Don't assume. Test.
3562 [21:12:33] <BCMM> hiya: just click choose, and then make it bold. bear in mind that the font has to actually *have* a boldface - if you don't see bold under font style, it's because you're using a font that doesn't support bold
3563 [21:12:48] <Ormu> greycat: meh. I'll use xorg.conf files
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3568 [21:16:02] <ryouma> Ormu: i really fear stretch
3569 [21:16:14] <hiya> BCMM, what would be font setting or option for text on the channel tab that appear in Hexchat for example?
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3571 [21:16:23] <hiya> BCMM, like tab name #debian
3572 [21:16:29] <hiya> I want to make it bold
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3575 [21:17:29] <Ormu> :o
3576 [21:17:41] <BCMM> hiya: hexchat might be different as its a gtk application
3577 [21:17:52] <hiya> then?
3578 [21:17:56] <BCMM> also hexchat has its own extensive configuration so it might be in its own settings
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3580 [21:18:04] <BCMM> hang on a moment, i'll test something...
3581 [21:18:49] <BCMM> hiya: the channel list in hexchat uses the same font as the conversation does
3582 [21:19:02] <hiya> then which setting?
3583 [21:19:10] <BCMM> hiya: and you set it in hexchat. settings -> preferences
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3586 [21:19:25] <BCMM> hiya: then interface -> appearances
3587 [21:19:32] <BCMM> and the font setting is at the top of that tab
3588 [21:19:39] <badargo> i got an unkillable process... neither kill or pkill do the job, what should i do?
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3590 [21:19:56] <BCMM> badargo: have you tried sending kill -9?
3591 [21:20:04] <hiya> BCMM, that i changed, I want to change the font size / make it bol for the text that appears on the tabs
3592 [21:20:07] <hiya> wait I show you
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3594 [21:20:23] <badargo> BCMM: no, hows that?
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3597 [21:20:39] <SuperTramp83> badargo, call the exorcist :)
3598 [21:20:46] <badargo> haha
3599 [21:20:57] <badargo> creepy
3600 [21:21:00] <Ormu> now let's try if my xorg.conf stuff works :<
3601 [21:21:25] <Ormu> ^ to get the d(a)emons out of your computer :|
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3603 [21:21:40] <SuperTramp83> :P
3604 [21:21:44] <badargo> ohhh this exorcist is the real deal !
3605 [21:21:50] <stree> Ormu: daemons would normally add a mirror and getting the thing is if there was no need for defense
3606 [21:22:30] <badargo> thank you guys
3607 [21:22:35] <stree> seriously, thank you
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3609 [21:23:59] <hiya> BCMM, replaced-url
3610 [21:24:46] <hiya> I want to bold that #debian
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3613 [21:24:49] <hiya> it is Window font?
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3617 [21:26:03] <raktajino> hiya: you need to look at the docs for configuring hexchat
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3627 [21:27:03] <hiya> raktajino, no no it is related DE's setting only, I did it in Gnome easily
3628 [21:27:06] <hiya> but not working in KDE
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3632 [21:27:46] <raktajino> i'm extremely skeptical that you made this exact specific change in gnome without knowing how to configure it in hexchat.
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3637 [21:29:36] <mxh-> setting gtk fonts in gnome is actually simple. but it should be possible in KDE's settings menu as well, they have a gtk section hiya
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3643 [21:30:39] <raktajino> i'm pretty sure this is not a gtk setting, but a setting specific to hexchat. but i could be misunderstanding.
3644 [21:30:52] <mxh-> hiya: otherwise gtk-chtheme is DE-agnostic and has lots of gtk settings, i think fonts.
3645 [21:31:09] <Ormu> success. I set mouse acceleration profile to "flat" and acceleration is gone. Now i just need to adjust my Trackpoint speed
3646 [21:31:12] <mxh-> raktajino: hexchat runs gtk2. you can change fonts using gnome-tweak-tool for all gtk apps.
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3648 [21:31:36] <raktajino> hiya is specifically asking about one particular bit of text in one particular component of hexchat's UI
3649 [21:31:41] <BCMM> hiya: no, it's still the same font as the chat messages
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3651 [21:32:07] <BCMM> oh hang on, you don't mean the username list sorry
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3654 [21:32:44] <hiya> BCMM, I mean the text on the tabs where it says "#debian etc"
3655 [21:32:47] <hiya> I want to bold it
3656 [21:32:50] <mxh-> raktajino: he changed title and menubar fonts. those are not hexchat specific, unless he did some magic
3657 [21:33:21] <mxh-> ...ok disregard me, wizard :)
3658 [21:33:26] <BCMM> yeah, i didn't realise you had it in tab mode
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3660 [21:33:36] <BCMM> in tree mode, it uses the chat font
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3664 [21:34:18] <BCMM> hiya: yeah it uses teh regular window font
3665 [21:34:29] <BCMM> you can actually set that in kde systemsettings
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3667 [21:34:42] <BCMM> application style -> gtk applications
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3670 [21:36:59] <hiya> BCMM, you fixed it Sir
3671 [21:37:01] <hiya> You rock!
3672 [21:37:10] <BCMM> thx
3673 [21:37:34] <Ormu> yet another piece of rant: calling the pointer (?) speed "acceleration speed" is very confusing, IMO
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3680 [21:40:34] <petn-randall> Ormu: Feel free to provide suggestions to upstream.
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3684 [21:42:16] <BCMM> Ormu: is it *definitely* pointer speed that it controls? is there just one slider
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3686 [21:42:19] <BCMM> ?
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3689 [21:43:32] <BCMM> because pretty much all systems use mouse acceleration, where when you move short distances, the mouse is more precise, but as you move it further, it speeds up
3690 [21:44:12] <BCMM> a good mouse config window would have separate controls for the base speed and the accel, but this seems to be rare outside of video games
3691 [21:44:16] <UnixMonky> Ormu: it's called acceleration because the liner speed of the pointer on screen is not 1:1 mapped to the linear speed of the mouse on the desktop
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3696 [21:44:46] <UnixMonky> (BCMM types faster than i do)
3697 [21:45:13] <CrtxReavr> I'm encountering a strange issue where I can't ssh with key auth to the normal running daemon on port 22, but I can if I run sshd in debug mode on an alternate port.
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3699 [21:45:34] <BCMM> the kde dialog seems offer pointer acceleration control, aceleration threshold, but no way of adjusting the speed
3700 [21:45:40] <CrtxReavr> It was suggested it could be SElinux blocking access to the account's authorized_keys file. . .anyway to confirm this?
3701 [21:46:11] <BCMM> not sure what you're supposed to do if you have a very sensitive mouse and it's too fast even before accelleration
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3703 [21:46:17] <BCMM> probably edit xorg.conf :(
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3708 [21:46:51] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: first of all, are you running selinux?
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3710 [21:47:55] <CrtxReavr> BCMM, unsure. How can I tell? This is a debian-based "appliance" that I didn't install.
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3712 [21:48:24] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: check-selinux-installation
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3715 [21:48:38] <BCMM> (try running that)
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3717 [21:49:02] <CrtxReavr> That doesn't exist in root's path.
3718 [21:49:02] <ryouma> if xset does not fix mouse, then what cli program does?
3719 [21:49:10] <jhutchins_wk> CrtxReavr: getenforce
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3721 [21:49:26] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: then you *probably* don't even have selinux installed
3722 [21:49:58] <CrtxReavr> jhutchins_wk, I have a getent
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3725 [21:50:27] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: is selinux-basics installed?
3726 [21:50:29] <teraflops> badargo: ryouma are you using libinput?
3727 [21:50:31] <jhutchins_wk> CrtxReavr: If you don't have setenforce/getenforce you don't have selinux.
3728 [21:50:32] <teraflops> opps
3729 [21:50:50] <teraflops> badargo: sorry my fingers are dumb
3730 [21:50:53] <CrtxReavr> Okay. . .
3731 [21:50:56] <BCMM> (dpkg -l selinux-basics)
3732 [21:50:59] <CrtxReavr> Any ideas on my SSH issue then?
3733 [21:50:59] <teraflops> ryouma: are you using libinput?
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3735 [21:51:25] <jhutchins_wk> CrtxReavr: What are the permissions on .ssh and the key?
3736 [21:51:41] <jhutchins_wk> CrtxReavr: Have you run the ssh client with -vvv to get verbose diagnostics?
3737 [21:51:43] <CrtxReavr> jhutchins_wk, check those with #openssh - they're in order.
3738 [21:52:14] <CrtxReavr> -vvv: replaced-url
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3741 [21:52:46] <greycat> CrtxReavr checked some of the permissions already in #openssh
3742 [21:53:10] <Ormu> BCMM UnixMonky on Windows it's called pointer speed... I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks that's a better name for it.
3743 [21:53:40] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: are you able to say what sort of debian-based appliance it is? are we talking like a vm image with fairly stock debian, or some bit of hardware with a crazy modified distro on, or somewhere in between?
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3746 [21:53:51] <Ormu> "acceleration speed" sounds like it defines the acceleration properties. But english is not my native language so meh.
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3749 [21:54:23] <CrtxReavr> BCMM, It's distributed as a VM image for multiple platforms.
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3751 [21:54:36] <ryouma> teraflops: no idea
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3753 [21:54:59] <ryouma> teraflops: i am on jessie, but i want to be prepared for the accessivbility-destroying aspects of stretch
3754 [21:55:05] <petn-randall> CrtxReavr: What the name of it?
3755 [21:55:07] <ryouma> (if possible)
3756 [21:55:10] <CrtxReavr> debug3: Could not load "/home/sotfback/.ssh/id_rsa" as a RSA1 public key
3757 [21:55:29] <CrtxReavr> That line is suspect, but then why does it work in debug mode on a custom port?
3758 [21:55:48] <teraflops> ryouma: jessie does not use libunput by default
3759 [21:55:49] <petn-randall> *what's
3760 [21:56:03] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: are you definitely using the same sshd.conf as the daemon when you run ssh in debug mode?
3761 [21:56:07] <ryouma> teraflops: but i stillw ant to know what to do when my mouse breaks under stretch
3762 [21:56:17] <teraflops> go run stretch
3763 [21:56:19] <teraflops> ^
3764 [21:56:19] <ryouma> teraflops: with cli
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3766 [21:56:33] <CrtxReavr> BCMM, didn't specify a different one.
3767 [21:56:36] <BCMM> sshd_config rather
3768 [21:56:37] <jhutchins_wk> CrtxReavr: id_rsa is not a public key, it's a private key.
3769 [21:56:54] <teraflops> ryouma: xinput
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3772 [21:57:03] <teraflops> (for libinput)
3773 [21:57:26] <BCMM> jhutchins_wk: oh crap, good catch!
3774 [21:57:35] <ryouma> teraflops: i have highly specific accessibility needs which means i either can or cannot use stretch. i also have sepcific disabilities that prevent me from "just trying it" without significant cost. i was hoping for a bit of information on what to expect and what i would do to fix various accessibility prioblems.
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3776 [21:57:53] <BCMM> something funny with the AuthorizedKeys setting maybe?
3777 [21:58:08] <ryouma> ugh, xinput was a disaster when i tried it and gave up on it
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3780 [21:58:28] <teraflops> ryouma: but it's hard to tell how to _fix_ possible issues in a OS youre not running…
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3784 [21:58:49] <BCMM> CrtxReavr: ... that last error is from the client, not the server, isn't it?
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3786 [21:59:03] <ryouma> sure, but one needs more ifnroamtion about a threat to face it when it arrives
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3788 [21:59:12] <refeaime> hello, guys.
3789 [21:59:12] <refeaime> Could you please help me? ATM I am running debian stable. How can I search packages in experimental?
3790 [21:59:25] <ryouma> i use xmodmap and just could not get xinput to work, iirc. and i ahve 2 mice and couldn't figure it out for them either.
3791 [21:59:30] <greycat> refeaime: /msg judd
3792 [21:59:44] <greycat> refeaime: also, experimental is MOST DEFINITELY one of those "if you have to ask, you shouldn't" things.
3793 [21:59:45] <teraflops> stretch runs libinput by default and, for cli, xinput is what you want, apart from that I dont know what else I can tell
3794 [22:00:06] <refeaime> greycat: what?
3795 [22:00:08] <ryouma> that's a start
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3797 [22:00:15] <n4dir> refeaime: go to packages.debian.org, -> Search packages Directories, and choose experimental.
3798 [22:00:26] <greycat> !experimental
3799 [22:00:26] <dpkg> experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does _not_ support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference. replaced-url
3800 [22:00:28] <BCMM> note that "experimental" is not the same things as "unstable"
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3802 [22:00:37] <refeaime> n4dir: no easy search from apt?
3803 [22:00:58] <ryouma> apt-cache search doesn't do it?
3804 [22:01:03] <BCMM> unstable is the thing you use if you want debian where the packages are up-to-date but things might break occasionally
3805 [22:01:06] <ryouma> you'd have to have it in your sources.list
3806 [22:01:06] <greycat> refeaime: time to start reading.
3807 [22:01:08] <BCMM> testing is... not that
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3810 [22:01:26] <n4dir> as far i can tell apt can only search for what is to be found in /etc/apt/sources.list (and i am rather sure), refeaime
3811 [22:01:28] <BCMM> experimental is not that, sorry
3812 [22:01:39] <n4dir> too slow, sorry
3813 [22:01:44] <jmcnaught> refeaime: you should not be installing packages from experimental, testing, or unstable on a stable system. If you just want a command to search versions in the different branches, you could try rmadison from devscripts
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3815 [22:02:00] <BCMM> or if this is a one-off just use the website
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3818 [22:02:07] <refeaime> jmcnaught: I do not want to install it. I want just SEARCH them there
3819 [22:02:22] <refeaime> thank you
3820 [22:02:23] <greycat> refeaime: well, you've been given almost half a dozen answers. READ.
3821 [22:02:23] <n4dir> hard to believe you have to search for experimental versions all the time. i would use the website and be done with it.
3822 [22:02:38] <refeaime> Always right answers to particular question.
3823 [22:02:47] <greycat> n4dir: I would use stable and be done with it
3824 [22:02:55] <refeaime> greycat: and I needed only one
3825 [22:02:57] <n4dir> greycat: even better.
3826 [22:03:10] <jhutchins_wk> refeaime: There is also judd. /msg judd v <package>
3827 [22:03:18] <greycat> jhutchins_wk: was the first answer I gave him
3828 [22:03:31] <mxh-> how many experimental packages do you need? :P seems bit odd
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3834 [22:04:19] <teraflops> if you need a lot of stuff from experimental, you might consider switching from distro
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3836 [22:04:42] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: Ah, missed it.
3837 [22:04:45] <mxh-> still sid is pretty bleeding edge, experimental is straight up broken stuff a lot of the time...
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3839 [22:04:58] <teraflops> sid is not bleeding edge at all
3840 [22:05:07] <teraflops> it's just unstable
3841 [22:05:15] <n4dir> mxh-: yeah, imho if sid ain't new enough for you, i think something is seriously wrong :-)
3842 [22:05:18] <teraflops> plain git is bleeding edge
3843 [22:05:23] <greycat> experimental makes sid look like a toddler's walker
3844 [22:05:30] <mxh-> teraflops: ...yeah, but let's be realistic :)
3845 [22:05:36] <Ormu> :O
3846 [22:05:37] <teraflops> I'm being realistic
3847 [22:05:40] <teraflops> :P
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3850 [22:05:48] <jhutchins_wk> experimental is for packages the packagers think might very well be bad.
3851 [22:05:49] <n4dir> i added experimental once during a freeze, but i don't think it was of any use. Might be too long ago.
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3853 [22:06:27] <teraflops> go use a source based distro that pulls from git, e.g gentoo or exherbo, or maybe rchlinux since packaging from git is pretty trivial
3854 [22:06:27] <n4dir> but then: i don't care for versions anyway. duh
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3858 [22:06:57] <n4dir> teraflops: you sure gentoo is that bleeding edge?
3859 [22:07:06] <teraflops> if you pull from git, it is
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3861 [22:07:13] <n4dir> ah, ok.
3862 [22:07:49] <mxh-> gentoo is nice if you have a few extra hours to compile the new version of your browser/whatever
3863 [22:07:56] <n4dir> all i remember is that upgrading always took ages, not outstanding new versions (but, like said, i don't really follow it anyway)
3864 [22:08:00] <teraflops> sorry it's just I get a bit pissed when people misunderstand what bleeding edge is
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3867 [22:08:35] <refeaime> and... how can I count all availible packages from release?
3868 [22:08:50] <refeaime> Not installed. Availible from settings in sources.list
3869 [22:08:57] <greycat> The estimate on replaced-url
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3871 [22:09:10] <greycat> what are you actually trying to DO?
3872 [22:09:25] <refeaime> greycat: statistic.
3873 [22:09:28] <n4dir> mxh-: not sure if Sabayon is a good workaround to avoid compiling packages like gentoo does (assuming it still exists at all. lol)
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3876 [22:09:50] <mxh-> teraflops: well, it's pretty common to refer to tumbleweed, sid, arch etc as bleeding edge distros. imo bleeding edge is before the code passed any tests and compiled, but to each his own
3877 [22:09:56] <greycat> apt-cache search . | wc -l
3878 [22:10:19] <teraflops> mxh-: it's a pretty common misconception then
3879 [22:10:26] <refeaime> greycat: THANKS
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3902 [22:19:45] <w00dsman> is there any reason why the snapshot.debian.org server(s) would be slow? trying to update my sources is only getting ~10kb/s
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3907 [22:21:19] <w00dsman> i'm stuck in the middle of the libc6 update (i.e. unstable right now has libc6_blahblah12:amd64 (and -14) while i386 has '-12 and -13'
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3924 [22:29:42] <ryouma> 13:06 <teraflops> go use a source based distro that pulls from git, e.g gentoo or exherbo, or maybe rchlinux since packaging from git is pretty trivial -- i presume you mean archlinux?
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3927 [22:30:04] <teraflops> not really, but I do use it
3928 [22:30:20] <teraflops> oh the typo, yep
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3931 [22:31:26] <ryouma> hmm, "we expect users to take part in the development"
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3933 [22:31:44] <ryouma> (replaced-url
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3940 [22:33:25] <saulus> Hi, I have set up autofs for nfs and now my system waits 90 seconds at boot time. Do you have any idea how to make the boot up fast again?
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3942 [22:34:41] <bolt> saulus: it probably tries to mount them before the network is available. without having an exact answer for you, i bet there's an option to not mount them at boot, but rather at first use
3943 [22:34:55] <bolt> ..or a different option to wait for network
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3947 [22:35:11] <eck> autofs is for mounting at first use :-)
3948 [22:35:20] <eck> but it doesn't help if something tries to access a path in that fs too early
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3955 [22:36:43] <teraflops> saulus: tried with nofail in fstab?
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3957 [22:37:24] <NotDomo> Hey. This isn't a strictly Linux question, but if my hard drive with my Linux install won't boot, and GParted shows the drive as basically being 119GB unallocated, where it should have everything allocated and total drive space of ~500GB, is it probably my controller that's borked, rather than the drive being corrupted?
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3960 [22:38:25] <novilog> Having trouble installing g++-4.9 with aptitude or apt-get and --install-recommends. Anyone have some documentation on getting it to play nicely with Debian Stretch?
3961 [22:38:41] <n0rthlight_> NotDomo What the distro in question I know one with this issue atm?
3962 [22:39:07] <NotDomo> n0rthlight_: Mint. If it matters, it happened after letting power on the laptop run out in Sleep.
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3964 [22:39:27] <jhutchins_wk> saulus: What are your reasons for using autofs instead of just fstab?
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3966 [22:39:40] <jhutchins_wk> ,v g++
3967 [22:39:41] <judd> Package: g++ on amd64 -- wheezy: 4:4.7.2-1; jessie: 4:4.9.2-2; stretch: 4:6.3.0-4; sid: 4:6.3.0-4d1; buster: 4:6.3.0-4d1; experimental: 4:7.1.0-0
3968 [22:39:50] <novilog> NotDomo: Is the laptop in question actually an embedded system? i.e. a Chromebook?
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3971 [22:40:26] <NotDomo> novilog: Nope. ASUS gaming thing. Overheats a lot. =P
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3973 [22:41:11] <novilog> NotDomo: Never mind then. Was just curious if you were having an issue with the legacy boot flag under a chrome device. Apparently not. Sorry this wasn't more helpful
3974 [22:41:17] <NotDomo> =)
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3979 [22:42:40] <jhutchins_wk> NotDomo: Most likely a drive failure. USB drives do that sort of thing when they're failing.
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3982 [22:43:01] <jhutchins_wk> NotDomo: Most of the control hardware is actually on the drive (IDE).
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3985 [22:43:38] <teraflops> saulus: oh you said autofs, nvm
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3988 [22:44:38] <NotDomo> I think the only important data I lost was my firefox profile. I guess I'll live with it. XD
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3993 [22:46:34] <novilog> NotDomo: It could be handy, in the future, to make yourself a little remote RAID that you can access on your home network to backup important data to. Doesn't have to be huge or unwieldy. Just a little network drive that spins up when you open a connection. You could set it up with a raspi
3994 [22:47:20] <novilog> NotDomo: Just a thought, since it sounds like your primary system is a single-drive system
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3997 [22:48:36] <saulus> bolt, teraflops: ty, I gonna try. jhutchins_wk: dunno, I need a sys not complaining when the nfs share is not available. Thats all my requirement, I guess. Do you have a link for good fstab mounting options?
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3999 [22:49:18] <novilog> Anyone have any advice on install g++-4.9 on stretch? I'm having trouble finding much in the forums about it. I just want a side-along install with the current version of g++, not a destructive one
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4003 [22:52:34] <jhutchins_wk> saulus: replaced-url
4004 [22:52:50] <w00dsman> what would you need g++-4.9 for?
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4007 [22:53:26] <jhutchins_wk> saulus: You want something like //server:share /mount/point nfs -o _netdev, but check the syntax.
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4009 [22:53:47] <jhutchins_wk> saulus: _netdev is important so it waits for the network to be up before trying to mount.
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4011 [22:53:59] <jhutchins_wk> saulus: I think the manpage for nfs has the options as well.
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4018 [22:55:16] <NotDomo> novilog: Technically, I had two drives. But my Windows 10 drive got corrupted and got stuck in a boot loop, so I switched to Mint on the "good" hard drive. XD
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4021 [22:55:36] <NotDomo> novilog: But yeah, thanks for the tip. =)
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4034 [23:01:49] <NotDomo> Loooooooooooool. I'm so dumb. Turns out the 119GB disk is my thumb drive. My actual drive is just plain not showing up. XD
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4044 [23:06:54] <saulus> jhutchins: I have tried _netdev for autofs. But It did not work. I feel convinced now that autofs was not the correct decision.
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4089 [23:33:14] <macrocat> Hello. I was trying to get my GPU's drivers to work but ended up having a problem similar to the one in here: replaced-url
4090 [23:33:14] <macrocat> error "Destination unreachable: No route". Internet searches about this error didn't seem applicable to my problems here. Does anyone have any ideas what I did and how I can undo it?
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4092 [23:33:27] <macrocat> ...That message was longer than I anticipated. I apologise.
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4132 [23:54:12] <chicognu> I compiled a software from source and need make it start every boot, after everything starts, how can I do it ?
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4136 [23:56:09] <mxh-> chicognu: after everything what starts? there's /etc/init.d/ but if you want to make sure a certain service is started maybe look at making it a systemd service
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4140 [23:58:00] <chicognu> mxh-, by everything I mean at least network. I put openvpn --config /etc/openvpn/server.conf but dint work
4141 [23:58:17] <chicognu> mxh-, in the rc.local
4142 [23:58:36] <N0rthlight> keepass is ont debian rep am I correct?
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4145 [23:59:12] <chicognu> also create a script in rc.4 and give permission to execute but dint work too mxh-
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