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0 [00:00:22] <smhar> jmcnaught, but why does apachectl -S shows one vhost only?
1 [00:00:35] <format_c> smhar, what's the result of the procedure described above?
2 [00:00:43] <n3tcat> jmcnaught: Im new to debian, but not to gnu/linux, thank you anyway.
3 [00:01:12] <smhar> format_c, jmcnaught: ls -lh /etc/apache2/sites-enabled shows: total 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 32 Jul 30 23:45 test.com.conf -> ../sites-available/test.com.conf
4 [00:01:40] <format_c> smhar, I assume you're restarted apache2 in the meantime?
5 [00:01:57] <jmcnaught> smhar: *only* the files in sites-enabled are used. a2ensite/a2dissite manages symlinks from the sites-enabled to the sites-available directory.
6 [00:02:27] <smhar> format_c, jmcnaught: I did systemctl reload apache2 several times
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8 [00:03:04] <jmcnaught> smhar: if you *want* 000-default.conf to be active you need to "a2ensite 000-default ; systemctl reload apache2"
9 [00:03:11] <format_c> What's the output of apachectl -S?
10 [00:03:33] <format_c> BTW, I've never used the apache* commands.
11 [00:03:49] <smhar> replaced-url
12 [00:03:52] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught solved! at 3rd installation I choose grub for buggy efi :D and it works! :D victory!
13 [00:04:01] <format_c> But just checked the output on a reference installation with some namevhosts
14 [00:04:32] <jmcnaught> smhar: you should read /usr/share/doc/apache2/README.Debian.gz for an explanation of apache configuration on Debian (it's organized differently from upstream)
15 [00:04:41] <jmcnaught> DoctorD90: hurray!
16 [00:04:43] <format_c> smhar, it shows one.
17 [00:04:45] <smhar> format_c, me too, this is my first time installing it and I am overwhelmed
18 [00:04:53] <format_c> Line 2
19 [00:05:05] <format_c> You've only one namedvirtualhost
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22 [00:05:54] <DoctorD90> jmcnaught yessa :D issue is that in all this "making" I wronged to install system on wrong hdd xD btw, now that I solved, I can install it on any hdd I want :D thx you all and hurray! :D
23 [00:06:04] <smhar> format_c, I've noticed that.. and I am not sure why.. I followed all the steps in this guide: replaced-url
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25 [00:06:30] <|subz3r0|> hi
26 [00:06:30] <format_c> smhar, again, have you tried what I said before with the /etc/hosts entry?
27 [00:06:40] <|subz3r0|> what's the replacement of net-tools?
28 [00:06:51] <|subz3r0|> since netstat for example is not installed anymore in a basic debian 9
29 [00:07:16] <format_c> |subz3r0|, wow that's hard.
30 [00:07:38] <smhar> format_c, no.. not yet.. because as apachectl -S shows.. the problem is: that I still do NOT have multiple vhosts enabled
31 [00:07:57] <jmcnaught> smhar: are you ignoring me or something?
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33 [00:08:00] <format_c> You have only one in the sites-enabled directory
34 [00:08:08] <format_c> this one is shown in the output
35 [00:08:14] <format_c> everything is as it should be
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37 [00:08:26] <format_c> create more named virutal hosts and they will be listed
38 [00:08:29] <|subz3r0|> format_c: so?
39 [00:08:58] <format_c> |subz3r0|, I'd suggest: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search netstat
40 [00:09:07] <|subz3r0|> are you kidding me?
41 [00:09:07] <jmcnaught> |subz3r0|: you're looking for iproute2 replaced-url
42 [00:09:38] <|subz3r0|> jmcnaught: i'll give that a shot. thanks
43 [00:10:03] <|subz3r0|> jmcnaught: can i rebuild my filters lile -tulpen with it ?
44 [00:10:06] <|subz3r0|> like
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48 [00:11:30] <jmcnaught> |subz3r0|: there's a table in the link I shared with you to show replacement commands. ss is probably what you want. You can also just install net-tools and continue to use netstat
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51 [00:13:18] <smhar> format_c, jmcnaught: I added another vhost and enabled it.. now I have 2 vhosts: this is my apachectl -S : replaced-url
52 [00:14:06] <|subz3r0|> jmcnaught: but this is really basic
53 [00:14:10] <|subz3r0|> ahh, its "ss"
54 [00:14:17] <|subz3r0|> looks quite ugly
55 [00:14:26] <|subz3r0|> but i guess i have to get used to it... :/
56 [00:14:29] <smhar> but I am wondering why apachectl -S still shows that Main DocumentRoot: "/var/replaced-url
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60 [00:17:24] <format_c> smhar, yes it's still the default DocumentRoot (if the Hostname Header doesn't match any ServerName or ServerAlias directives of the available Virtual Hosts).
61 [00:17:35] <format_c> You still have only one Vhost configured
62 [00:17:50] <format_c> the DocumentRoot isn't displayed for the virtualhosts
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65 [00:19:53] <smhar> format_c, but the /var/replaced-url
66 [00:20:25] <smhar> format_c, /var/replaced-url
67 [00:20:26] <format_c> grep DocumentRoot /etc/apache2/* -R
68 [00:20:35] <Lyberta> hi, when doing apt-get update I get "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553", help?
69 [00:20:37] <format_c> It may be defined somewhere else
70 [00:21:04] <smhar> format_c, replaced-url
71 [00:21:24] <smhar> it is there in the ssl file
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73 [00:22:12] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: you need to update the keys
74 [00:22:24] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: gpg --keyserver pgpkeys.mit.edu --recv-key 8B48AD6246925553
75 [00:22:32] <format_c> On my system, I've no configuration file defining it. But apachectl -S still shows it.
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77 [00:22:46] <format_c> Seem to be a hard-coded default value
78 [00:22:49] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: gpg -a --export 8B48AD6246925553 | sudo apt-key add -
79 [00:22:54] <format_c> Don't bother too much about it.
80 [00:22:58] <|subz3r0|> then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
81 [00:23:00] <|subz3r0|> should fix it
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83 [00:23:23] <|subz3r0|> anyone of you uses now ss instead of netstat?
84 [00:23:27] <Lyberta> |subz3r0|, as root?
85 [00:23:32] <|subz3r0|> actually im quite unhappy with is
86 [00:24:01] <|subz3r0|> it show me only for example 443/https... but not that its apache or nginx or what ever... this is bul...?!
87 [00:24:04] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: yes
88 [00:24:31] <|subz3r0|> but the parts where u need it are with sudo
89 [00:24:40] <|subz3r0|> so the commands should for ootb
90 [00:24:44] <jmcnaught> |subz3r0|: ss has a --process, -p did you find the man page?
91 [00:24:57] <|subz3r0|> jmcnaught: already did that
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93 [00:25:17] <smhar> so how to change the DocumentRoot and make sure I have my vhosts enabled and seen?
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95 [00:26:22] <format_c> I think the "Main DocumentRoot" cannot be changed.
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98 [00:26:57] <jelly> |subz3r0|, one shouldn't just blindly add keys to apt
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102 [00:27:17] <jelly> Lyberta, which debian release are you supposed to be running?
103 [00:27:26] <format_c> You create your vhosts, matching the hostnames as they actually resolve and you're done.
104 [00:27:32] <|subz3r0|> jelly: indeed
105 [00:27:42] <Lyberta> jelly, testing
106 [00:27:44] <format_c> Forget about the Main DocuementRoot shown by apachectl -S
107 [00:28:17] <jelly> Lyberta, pastebin the output of "dpkg -l libc6 dpkg apt debian-archive-keyring"
108 [00:28:28] <jelly> !paste
109 [00:28:28] <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
110 [00:28:42] <|subz3r0|> jelly: but he asked for help, not an explanation ;)
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115 [00:30:10] <jelly> |subz3r0|, most people here do. It's on you as a volunteer helper to provide said explanation, and is possible avoid pointing someone to bad practive
116 [00:30:14] <jelly> practice*
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119 [00:30:33] <Lyberta> |subz3r0|, I would love the explanation, I don't want to add random keys
120 [00:30:39] <jelly> the right thing to do, on Debian, is to just install an updated version of debian-archive-keyring
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122 [00:30:47] <Lyberta> jelly, replaced-url
123 [00:31:03] <jelly> but that one is already rather old, so looking at the state of their system first
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125 [00:31:28] <jelly> Lyberta, and "apt-cache policy", too
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127 [00:31:54] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: on an actual system this should not happen. This only happens when the key got renewed. since those packetes are signed with the key
128 [00:31:56] <jelly> ,v libc6
129 [00:31:57] <judd> Package: libc6 on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.13-38+deb7u10; wheezy-security: 2.13-38+deb7u12; jessie: 2.19-18+deb8u10; jessie-security: 2.19-18+deb8u10; stretch: 2.24-11+deb9u1; stretch-security: 2.24-11+deb9u1; sid: 2.24-12; buster: 2.24-12
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131 [00:32:57] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: this is meant to prevent that any bad packets will be installed on your system which were not signed by the maintainers
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136 [00:33:32] <|subz3r0|> but like said.. this should not happen with a fresh testing release normaly
137 [00:33:36] <Lyberta> jelly, replaced-url
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140 [00:34:27] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: you installed a ppa?
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143 [00:35:39] <Lyberta> |subz3r0|, it was installed via a package
144 [00:35:58] <jelly> Lyberta, why are you using testing and not "buster"?
145 [00:36:17] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: what package? i guess not. not from the repos
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147 [00:36:40] <Lyberta> jelly, so that I don't need to rename it each release
148 [00:36:41] <|subz3r0|> this ppa crap should not be there. like replaced-url
149 [00:37:00] <jelly> Lyberta, how did you like the switch to buster, did things break a lot
150 [00:37:37] <|subz3r0|> i would rather recommend compiling stuff your own as to install ppas
151 [00:37:41] <Lyberta> jelly, I didn't notice anything bad except this key thing
152 [00:37:43] <jelly> I'm... not sure why you're suddenly missing that key. Could be new apt.
153 [00:37:45] <Lyberta> this system runs testing for 3 years now
154 [00:37:50] <jelly> !debian-next
155 [00:37:50] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
156 [00:38:07] <jelly> ^^ the right place to ask questions about testing and/or unstable
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158 [00:38:45] <Lyberta> |subz3r0|, that would add tons of development packages that I don't really need
159 [00:38:46] <jelly> but then again you do seem to have up-to-date debian-archive-keyring. Who knows.
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162 [00:39:05] <jelly> ask in #debian-next
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165 [00:39:23] <jelly> and maybe read the changelog for package "apt"
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167 [00:39:58] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: build-essential is not tons of dev packages...
168 [00:40:14] <|subz3r0|> Lyberta: and you can remove it afterwards...
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172 [00:40:24] <|subz3r0|> and or use git
173 [00:40:29] <jelly> Lyberta, since you're on testing, it would be good to install apt-listchanges and at the very least read NEWS before installing stuff. Things can change under your feet with testing.
174 [00:40:46] <jelly> |subz3r0|, if you want to help them, do it in #debian-next (on OFTC)
175 [00:40:47] <Lyberta> |subz3r0|, apps usually require tons of development packages for file formats, codecs, gui toolkits, etc
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178 [00:41:18] <|subz3r0|> jelly: any recommendations for installing automaticaly security updates on debian?
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180 [00:41:47] <jelly> I'd rather avoid seeing answers and advice pertinent for testing in here, lest users of stable get confused
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182 [00:41:56] <Lyberta> jelly, I do have it installed and I didn't see anything interesting with apt
183 [00:42:03] <|subz3r0|> "unattended-upgrades apt-listchanges" or any other prefered way?
184 [00:42:35] <mxh-> where are testing/sid discussions to be held?
185 [00:43:00] <|subz3r0|> !debian-next
186 [00:43:00] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
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188 [00:43:57] <|subz3r0|> who owns that bot?
189 [00:44:08] <|subz3r0|> last sentence makes no sense to me
190 [00:44:18] <|subz3r0|> "... it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net"
191 [00:44:21] <|subz3r0|> it's what?
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194 [00:44:58] <|subz3r0|> disclaimer? bunny magazine? :D
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196 [00:45:12] <jmcnaught> "… it means *that* you did not read *that* it's on irc.oftc.net"
197 [00:45:46] <|subz3r0|> but its mentioned before :D lol
198 [00:45:54] <fxb> correct but confusing imho
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203 [00:46:26] <jmcnaught> it's because way too many people get told to go there, then come and tell us the channel is invite only
204 [00:46:41] <|subz3r0|> ;D
205 [00:46:49] <Lyberta> I'm pretty sure most users will type /join #debian-next after reading the bot, I'm sure I did the first time
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207 [00:49:39] <jelly> |subz3r0|, feel free to provide better wording.
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210 [00:50:07] <fxb> it should say "If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (...)." you didn't read the message stating that the channel is on irc.oftc.net", or something
211 [00:50:34] <__Ozy__> Does anyone know if there is a respository that contains the dbgsym files for packages updated by debian-security through stretch/updates?
212 [00:51:03] <fxb> or just replace "it means" with "then" imo
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333 [01:56:55] <dgriffi> why am I coming up with 404 errors when I go looking for a DVD multi-arch iso?
334 [01:57:08] <dgriffi> is there supposed to be a DVD multi-arch?
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451 [03:13:16] <themill> dgriffi: I have a vague memory of them not being generated for 9.1 but I can't find the reference any more. Any particular reason you want the dual-arch installer? (Do you really make i386 installations these days?)
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459 [03:17:47] <dgriffi> themill: I have a lenovo L420 that MUST be used
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461 [03:18:39] <dgriffi> themill: it belongs to my girlfriend's mother (who was weaned off Windows a few years ago)
462 [03:18:43] <themill> I assume by now you've downloaded the i386 installer for that machine
463 [03:19:36] <dgriffi> working on it and trying to figure out exactly what nonfree firmware packages I need... which the CD multiarch isn't finding.
464 [03:19:51] <dgriffi> that is... it can't seem to see the flash drive
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467 [03:20:25] <dgriffi> and it doesn't seem that using a multiarch CD image on a flash drive works
468 [03:20:43] <themill> should do. how did you copy it?
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474 [03:23:43] <dgriffi> mount the flash drive and copy firmware-iwlwifi_20161130-3_all.deb on over
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477 [03:24:58] <themill> how did you copy the installer on?
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483 [03:28:10] <dgriffi> themill: I followed this to get a writable bootable flash drive: replaced-url
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486 [03:29:17] <themill> I'm wanting to know what you did so if there's a problem with it I can help
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511 [03:42:26] <MarioMey> Hello, there.
512 [03:43:02] <MarioMey> Yesterday, I entered here because I had some deleted files that were still there after deleting them: there were system log files.
513 [03:43:32] <MarioMey> Finally, I had to reboot (after a movie was downloaded from web).
514 [03:43:56] <MarioMey> Now, I would like to solve this issue... huge log files.
515 [03:44:26] <MarioMey> Right now, I have 3 files: kern.log, messages and syslog. 5GB each.
516 [03:45:50] <MarioMey> I have this SO (Debian 9) installed in a 25GB partition. It is enough for a linux SO... but not for a SO that makes these log files.
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519 [03:49:33] <abrotman> MarioMey: so rotate the logs
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541 [04:05:23] <MarioMey> abrotman: I had read this page: replaced-url
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546 [04:07:53] <MarioMey> I have /etc/cron.daily/logrotate that execute "/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf"
547 [04:08:02] <MarioMey> /etc/logratate.conf says:
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549 [04:08:43] <MarioMey> daily, rotate 1, create, compress... and some other stuff (I didn't touch them)
550 [04:08:49] <MarioMey> But I create another cron:
551 [04:09:21] <MarioMey> /etc/cron.hourly/logrotate that execute "/usr/sbin/logrotate /etc/logrotate.hourly.conf"
552 [04:09:25] <MarioMey> This file says:
553 [04:09:50] <MarioMey> hourly... and the other options are the same.
554 [04:10:11] <MarioMey> Now, I have a doubt... if I want a hourly cron... should I remove daily cron?
555 [04:10:29] <MarioMey> For me, I wouldn't have log files...
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557 [04:10:47] <MarioMey> Not right now. This is my computer, not a server...
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561 [04:11:49] <sc_> huh
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639 [05:13:24] <Hyp3ri0n> what is the command to find out which program is using a connection?
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646 [05:19:37] <jmcnaught> OtakuSenpai: ss
647 [05:20:40] <OtakuSenpai> jmcnaught: ?
648 [05:21:19] <mxh-> it's the command.
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682 [05:46:14] <emj2> �DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0
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684 [05:46:27] <stree> you send me a renewed outlook on the net install cd
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702 [05:58:48] <ZIPY> hi, i have a lvm encrypted root and boot partition, when i booted i was asked to unlock the encrypted partition which doesnt prompt anymore
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763 [06:57:42] <mxh-> ofaq: gnome i guess but you can pick when you download
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766 [06:58:53] <N0rthlight> ?
767 [06:58:59] <N0rthlight> Misstell.
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810 [07:27:11] <badargo> hey i installed this package but cant find the readme file or where its installed, do u guys how to fidn that?
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812 [07:28:54] <petn-randall> badargo: dpkg -L <packagename>
813 [07:29:08] <badargo> thanks!
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822 [07:37:31] <pierrot> I have a huge .mkv file (12,3 GB) in a server. I want to download it to my laptop. My IP changes every 12 hours so I need to find a way to transfer it in less than that time. What's the easiest way to do it?
823 [07:37:38] <pierrot> Both sides run Debian
824 [07:38:17] <tx> compress it into part files
825 [07:38:43] <pierrot> My local Internet service is not good (2,5 Mbps)
826 [07:38:47] <tx> or maybe don't even compress, use the split command
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828 [07:38:53] <tx> split -v [size] [file]
829 [07:38:59] <tx> where size = 500M or 2G or whatever.
830 [07:39:07] <SwedeMike> pierrot: use rar and create 50 megabyte files separately. Set compression to none, then it's pretty quick to create.
831 [07:39:09] <tx> make sure you back up the file first.
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836 [07:42:11] <pierrot> tx, SwedeMike: Thanks for the suggestions. I'll look information about those alternatives.
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843 [07:43:31] <pierrot> tx: once you divided the file into pieces, how can you rebuild it into the original big piece?
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846 [07:44:05] <SwedeMike> pierrot: you can cat them together. I would suggest to use rar though, it has CRC check so you know the files are ok afterwards.
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848 [07:45:06] <pierrot> something like `cat piece1 piece2 ... pieceN > bigpiece` ?
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851 [07:46:47] <jmcnaught> HTTP can resume downloads
852 [07:47:15] <tx> good servers*
853 [07:47:16] <tx> :P
854 [07:47:19] <Blendify_pi> Hi I just install debian but the wifi driver could not loaded I see the message when booting but is there a way to find this log so I can find the driver and install it from a usb drive
855 [07:48:03] <nku> Blendify_pi: /var/log/messages
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860 [07:53:55] <badargo> petn-randall: dpkg -l show me the filename the version, the architecture and description but not where its installed or the read me file :S
861 [07:54:26] <badargo> i guess
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864 [07:56:17] <themill> badargo: -L not -l.
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873 [08:01:37] <xormor> what was the command to show executables in an installed package?
874 [08:04:56] <xormor> dpkg -L shows whatever was installed from the package to my system, the files.
875 [08:04:56] <dpkg> ii shows whatever was installed from the package to my system, the files. 1.5-1.1 xormor's private warez collection
876 [08:05:16] <badargo> themill: i tried dpkg -L and got some 6 directories. i listed one by one and found no readme.md file tho i found 1.gz files...
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878 [08:06:16] <themill> badargo: what package are we talking about?
879 [08:08:21] <badargo> themill: bucklesprings, it adds a typewritter sound to keyboard :P
880 [08:09:31] * themill finds no such package
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883 [08:11:06] <badargo> bucklespring
884 [08:11:11] <badargo> sorry
885 [08:11:15] <badargo> singular :P
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887 [08:11:50] <badargo> theres a video about it here on youtube
888 [08:11:59] <badargo> replaced-url
889 [08:12:47] <themill> So why do you think there should be a file called readme.md?
890 [08:13:13] <badargo> in this video this guy opened a read me file with vi
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905 [08:22:19] <dARksku11> help
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908 [08:23:18] <towo^work> badargo, in this vidio, you see the sources
909 [08:23:30] <towo^work> badargo, and in the sources, there is a readme.md
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913 [08:25:35] <farmer> Hi what might I be doing wrong if PSAD isnt detecting my nmap scan? I have gone through several Tutorials enabled logging etc and still no go. Any tips?
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917 [08:26:38] <badargo> towo^work: i cant figure how he execute the program and return to the prompt... if i ctrl + c the typewritter sounds stop :(
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919 [08:27:29] <towo^work> add & after the command
920 [08:27:37] <veek> is there a way to print from 48 onwards in gv/linux - postscript (mpage output doesn't open in evince/okular)?
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923 [08:27:59] <kaimo> replaced-url
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925 [08:28:30] <badargo> towo^work: didnt work... but now i closed the tab where i started buckle process and the sound is still going :D
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936 [08:33:18] <badargo> exit
937 [08:33:21] <badargo> ops :P
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953 [08:45:05] <darxmurf> hi all
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957 [08:48:21] <kaimo> hey
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970 [08:55:01] <dermoth> Hey there... for some time I've been using the debian stable's netboot on my lan as an easy way to do new installs or fix broken boots... however I've always had to keep the following symlink for it to work:
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972 [08:55:07] <dermoth> ldlinux.c32 -> debian-installer/amd64/boot-screens/ldlinux.c32
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976 [08:56:52] <dermoth> is there any reason it's needed? I never really tried to figure it out; I just added it when I first noticed the error from pxe boot
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988 [09:00:04] <Ormu> hi
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993 [09:01:17] <Ormu> what is the recommended way to mount an NTFS partition in read-only mode? Use "ro" option in fstab? Some seem to recommend setting the type as "ntfs" (instead of "ntfs-3g" which allows read/write access while ntfs does not)
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1001 [09:05:58] <BenNZ> Ormu: ntfs is a symlink to ntfs-3g anyway , so use ro instead
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1004 [09:07:28] <Ormu> ok, thanks
1005 [09:07:29] <Haohmaru> symlinks
1006 [09:07:33] <Haohmaru> my life was a lie
1007 [09:07:37] <Ormu> :P
1008 [09:07:52] <Ormu> should have been hardlinks at least?
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1010 [09:11:00] <BenNZ> Ormu: /sbin/ntfs.mount points to /sbin/mount.ntfs-3g which in turn points to /bin/mount.ntfs-3g
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1012 [09:11:57] <Haohmaru> such deceit
1013 [09:12:01] <Ormu> i see
1014 [09:12:23] <BenNZ> Ormu: oh and they are both symlinks according to file
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1017 [09:13:08] <rudi_s> readlink -f
1018 [09:13:39] <Ormu> :o
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1051 [09:29:57] <badargo> if you input ps -a and cant find a process that is currently running, what should u do?
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1054 [09:30:47] <Ormu> ps aux
1055 [09:30:49] <parenia> Try ps -e
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1057 [09:30:56] <badargo> thanks
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1059 [09:31:11] <Ormu> ps -e is a good option too, it provides a cleaner output. ps aux shows the full commands
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1061 [09:33:03] <jelly> so does ps -fe
1062 [09:33:12] <jelly> aux is bsd syntax
1063 [09:33:34] <jelly> options with - are sysv syntax, newer
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1065 [09:33:58] <Ormu> :O
1066 [09:34:02] <Ormu> ok, interesting
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1074 [09:40:50] <Ormu> BenNZ: for the record, isn't/wasn't there a native kernel driver for NTFS that only provides read access? Is it deprecated?
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1077 [09:43:58] <parthiban> Hi, I have started a userspace application using "start-stop-daemon" as non-root. using the option "--chuid" in init.d startup script. I also added "respawn-on" for the process.
1078 [09:44:04] <parthiban> If I kill the application process which is started as non-root, it respawn's as root process. I want this process to run as same user after respawn as well. How can I do this?
1079 [09:44:56] <ksk> I dont know chuid, but you can write user services for systemd.
1080 [09:45:11] <ksk> also, you can specifiy a user in a systemd (non user) service unit
1081 [09:45:45] <ksk> systemd has many advantages, you should think about using it instead of init.d stuff.
1082 [09:45:52] <ksk> @ parthiban
1083 [09:46:39] <parthiban> ksk: thanks. This is for old customer target. It may not be possible for me to change to systemd from sysv init.
1084 [09:47:32] <parthiban> Yes, i know systemd got lot of advantages over sysv init
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1086 [09:47:49] <sbeex> hello pinguins :)
1087 [09:47:51] <parthiban> But I just to update the running user for the one process.
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1090 [09:49:10] <parthiban> ksk: do you already some opinion on running process as different user (non-root) after restart/kill?
1091 [09:50:08] <BenNZ> Ormu: sorry was afk , depreciated since squeeze i think
1092 [09:50:10] <ksk> why do you care for "after restart/kill
1093 [09:50:22] <ksk> make your init.d script it uses $user always to start service
1094 [09:50:27] <Ormu> BenNZ: ok, thanks :o
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1098 [09:50:59] <parthiban> Yeah. I did it already.
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1101 [09:51:38] <parthiban> But when the process is exited during the course of work (may be because of bug), it needs to be started again automatically.
1102 [09:52:19] <sbeex> Hi, I try to figure out what is not working with my sonarqube installation. If I locally run w3m (text web browser) I can see something at 121.0.0.1 but from another local machine with I cannot access to it with 192.x.x.12 <-- the ip of the machine.
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1104 [09:52:20] <parthiban> So I have enabled "respawn-on" for that process. Which makes sure that the process always runs even it exits with error.
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1108 [09:52:39] <stree> to do something useful locally and open a text message from our previous discussions
1109 [09:53:03] <sbeex> replaced-url
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1111 [09:53:23] <sbeex> my port 80 is open right ?
1112 [09:54:04] <parthiban> ksk: if the process killed or exited abnormally, it's getting started again. But this time as "root". Not as specified user in "--chuid"
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1166 [10:34:35] <rovonovo_zoro> Hi am having some issues with my WiFi
1167 [10:34:35] <rovonovo_zoro> The signal strength is too low and it won't connect
1168 [10:34:53] <rovonovo_zoro> RTL8723BE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
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1170 [10:35:24] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: but you see the network ssid when scanning?
1171 [10:35:31] <rovonovo_zoro> yup
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1175 [10:38:31] <darxmurf> my colleague just ran aptitude upgrade to move from 8.9 to stretch but it's stuck on "resolving dependencies" is it something common ?
1176 [10:38:41] <darxmurf> I'm only using apt-get for that, never aptitude
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1178 [10:39:08] <Ormu> i guess it may take long to resolve thousands of dependencies
1179 [10:39:26] <darxmurf> never had this with apt
1180 [10:39:30] <darxmurf> apt-get
1181 [10:39:44] <Ormu> even in full system upgrade?
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1183 [10:39:47] <darxmurf> yep
1184 [10:40:02] <Ormu> I don't know then :|
1185 [10:40:35] <darxmurf> I found some old posts about this, guys fixed the thing by removing and reinstalling aptitude :-/
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1189 [10:42:40] <Ormu> rovonovo_zoro: signal strength and quality must be very low if the network can be detected but not at all connected to. Just my 2cents.
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1192 [10:43:30] <Ormu> If possible, try in a location where the signal is better to exclude other reasons for inability to connect.
1193 [10:43:36] <rovonovo_zoro> i can connect to the network now but no internet access though
1194 [10:43:41] <Ormu> hm
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1196 [10:44:17] <rovonovo_zoro> am just near to the modem the signal should be 100 %
1197 [10:44:28] <Ormu> what is the reported signal strength?
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1200 [10:45:15] <rovonovo_zoro> how do i look that ?
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1202 [10:45:57] <Ormu> the network connection app might show it, or have a graphical meter. Anyway, if you are next to the wifi station, the problem is most likely not related to signal strength.
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1206 [10:47:57] <rovonovo_zoro> k
1207 [10:47:58] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: sudo iwconfig and check link qualiy and signal level
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1212 [10:50:49] <rovonovo_zoro> replaced-url
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1218 [10:54:31] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: very weird, that's almost identical to mine and i have excellent connection.
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1220 [10:54:48] <rovonovo_zoro> ah
1221 [10:55:02] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: other machines have good speed on the same gateway?
1222 [10:55:09] <rovonovo_zoro> yeah
1223 [10:55:15] <mxh-> :/
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1236 [10:58:53] <Ormu> the the problem might be caused by something else... try ping google.com and if that doesn't work, ping 8.8.4.4 (that's google's DNS server IP)
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1238 [11:00:15] <rovonovo_zoro> tried ping too ,no good
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1242 [11:01:20] <rovonovo_zoro> i feel the signal strenth is low if i move away it auto disconnects
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1245 [11:01:55] <rovonovo_zoro> strange have internet acess now
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1251 [11:04:10] <Ormu> note to self: dmesg requires privileges in stretch
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1254 [11:04:56] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: you have good bitrate and decent signal quality, i can only suspect interference but im no expert
1255 [11:05:12] <rovonovo_zoro> ok
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1259 [11:06:23] <woenxs> Hey
1260 [11:06:37] <woenxs> Is it possible to see the output of a running cron job?
1261 [11:06:45] <woenxs> that is running right now
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1274 [11:09:05] <mxh-> rovonovo_zoro: long shot but sudo iwlist <interface-name> scanning | grep Channel
1275 [11:09:17] <mxh-> if there are a ton on your channel i'd try switching
1276 [11:09:29] <Ormu> :o
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1279 [11:09:56] <Ormu> good to know that method
1280 [11:10:07] <Ormu> i've only used Kismet for that :P
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1292 [11:14:16] <mxh-> Ormu: even better if you use nmcli - nmcli device wifi list
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1294 [11:14:31] <mxh-> shows all APs, their channels, rates and signal strength
1295 [11:14:35] <fourhundred> in Jessie, there is no mplayer package
1296 [11:14:40] <fourhundred> instead, there is mplayer2
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1299 [11:14:57] <Ormu> :o
1300 [11:14:58] <fourhundred> what happened to original mplayer ?
1301 [11:15:26] <Haohmaru> it was murdered with multiple fork stabs
1302 [11:15:32] * Haohmaru is kidding
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1306 [11:16:19] <fourhundred> yeah, mplayer2 seems to be a fork of mplayer
1307 [11:16:21] <rovonovo_zoro> replaced-url
1308 [11:16:45] <fourhundred> but when I installit, it behaves like mplayer
1309 [11:16:48] <Ormu> so many media players :|
1310 [11:16:55] <fourhundred> and even lives in /usr/bin/mplayer
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1312 [11:17:00] <fourhundred> so I am confused
1313 [11:17:14] <Haohmaru> linux is confusing
1314 [11:17:20] <mxh-> its a fork. but why not go for mpv? fast, plays anything
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1316 [11:17:49] <fourhundred> mpv is yet another form of mplayer /
1317 [11:17:51] <Haohmaru> isn't mpv also a fork of something too
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1319 [11:18:10] <Haohmaru> NOTHING IS PUREBLOODED ;P~
1320 [11:18:18] <Ormu> vlc
1321 [11:18:20] <Ormu> :P
1322 [11:18:23] <mxh-> that i don't know but mpv will play anything :P youtube link? no problem
1323 [11:18:37] <Ormu> Real(tm) video?
1324 [11:18:52] <Haohmaru> i want Fake video
1325 [11:19:00] <Ormu> obscure WMV versions?
1326 [11:19:05] <mxh-> "anything" might be a lie, dont think it does wmv drm bs
1327 [11:19:06] <stree> google play wmv in iceweasel
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1329 [11:21:01] <bielewelt> On Friday I mentioned that virtualbox-dkms cannot build vboxdrv on Debian testing. I was asked if the issue is present in sid as well, which I can now confirm. It says: “Module build for kernel 4.11.0-2-amd64 was skipped since the kernel headers for this kernel does not seem to be installed.” In fact, linux-headers-4.11.0-1-amd64 is installed but linux-headers-4.11.0-2-amd64 is unavailable at this time. How can I get VirtualBox worki
1330 [11:21:02] <bielewelt> ng again?
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1332 [11:21:23] <Haohmaru> in my experience vlc has the tendancy to hang and fills the resources quickly
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1341 [11:25:28] <carmelo11> Hi guys
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1351 [11:28:49] <mxh-> carmelo11: o/
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1355 [11:30:28] <bielewelt> Does it make sense to file a bug for virtualbox, or do I simply have to wait for linux-headers-4.11.0-2-amd64 to become available?
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1360 [11:32:02] <carmelo11> I have installed from scratch debian 9.1, I have a ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450 and I have installed firmware-amd-graphics
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1364 [11:33:13] <carmelo11> This morning I got a kind of freeze on the screen, that's what I found replaced-url
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1368 [11:36:24] <towo^work> bielewelt, a bug against vbox would be wrong
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1373 [11:37:32] <mxh-> bielewelt: do you have the same version of source and headers? if not "sudo apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r`" then "dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox-dkms"
1374 [11:37:45] <mxh-> uh maybe "dpkg-reconfigure virtualbox" also
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1376 [11:38:10] <towo^work> mxh-, would not help, since the 4.11 headers are not installable
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1379 [11:38:15] <towo^work> in testing
1380 [11:38:16] <Aebian> I have extended a disk from 5GB to 20GB but even after restart its still saying that /dev/sdb/ has 5G. I'm sure I need to extend that disk somehow, but how?
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1382 [11:38:56] <towo^work> Aebian, if you speak about a partition, you have to resize the filesystem also
1383 [11:38:59] <mxh-> I missed testing, sorry.
1384 [11:39:06] <Aebian> I don't want to delete stuff just add the 15GB to the disk
1385 [11:39:32] <towo^work> how you can extend a disk?
1386 [11:39:33] <Aebian> its just mounted on /db/ for database files
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1389 [11:39:46] <Aebian> so no system disk
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1392 [11:40:33] <carmelo11> Do you need to open a bug report?
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1395 [11:42:20] <bielewelt> mxh-: I already tried what you advise, and the result is this: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
1396 [11:42:20] <bielewelt> linux-headers-4.11.0-2-amd64 : Depends: linux-headers-4.11.0-2-common (= 4.11.11-1+b1) but 4.11.11-1 is to be installed
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1398 [11:43:07] <mxh-> bielewelt: yeah like i said i missed you're on Testing, sorry about that, i was told this channel was for stable only earlier
1399 [11:43:11] <towo^work> bielewelt, there is a bugreport for that issue
1400 [11:43:15] <Aebian> ah nvm I just used resize2fs for that
1401 [11:43:18] <Aebian> that worked
1402 [11:43:27] <towo^work> bielewelt, and this channel is for stable support
1403 [11:43:33] <bielewelt> Sorry.
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1429 [11:52:44] <forcerecon> goodmorning debian!
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1431 [11:54:45] <mxh-> morning
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1433 [11:55:47] <forcerecon> the sun it not even up here..
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1450 [12:03:49] <BluesKaj> HI folks
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1456 [12:09:35] <woenxs> Hi
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1475 [12:21:41] <gidna> Hello
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1477 [12:22:59] <gidna> what's processor I have to chose to downalod the usb stick if I have an intel i3 processor?
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1479 [12:23:29] <boodie> Hi (Jessie) I'm about to launch the upgrade - if anything went wrong, I am planning to get back for help through irssi; what is the irc server to connect to?
1480 [12:23:31] <towo^work> amd64
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1483 [12:25:07] <towo^work> gidna, amd64
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1492 [12:28:07] <gidna> Does the new debian distribution comes with php7 ?
1493 [12:28:23] <gidna> *come
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1495 [12:29:26] <towo^work> gidna, yes
1496 [12:29:29] <Haohmaru> in synaptic i have "This package is a dependency package, which depends on Debian's default
1497 [12:29:29] <Haohmaru> PHP version (currently 7.0)."
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1500 [12:30:03] <gidna> 'cause I want to install debian to run a webserver with php7 for testing
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1508 [12:37:32] <gidna> during the installation can I install KDE?
1509 [12:37:50] <BluesKaj> gidna, yes
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1512 [12:38:57] <BluesKaj> gidna, just don't choose the default DE or you'kk get gnome
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1518 [12:40:37] <gidna> BluesKaj: I managed to burn it on /dev/sdb
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1520 [12:40:44] <gidna> now I will try to install it...
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1524 [12:41:41] <BluesKaj> gidna, which image did you burn ?
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1528 [12:42:51] <Kman> for a light desktop environment, which one is the best?
1529 [12:43:11] <Kman> xfce4 or cinnamon?
1530 [12:43:42] <Haohmaru> i'd say xfce4 or lxde
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1533 [12:44:13] <Kman> i tried xfce4, the experience was not so good
1534 [12:44:20] <Kman> i want a gnome-based shell
1535 [12:44:29] <Haohmaru> yeah, but it's not too bad, i use lxde tho
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1537 [12:44:46] <Haohmaru> there's also lxqt but i didn't like the looks
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1542 [12:46:33] <Kman> How about MATE, it is based on gnome 2, it should be fast
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1545 [12:46:55] <Kman> while cinnamon is based on gnome 3, should be heavier that MATE
1546 [12:47:00] <Haohmaru> and gnome is inspired by apple, isn't it?
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1560 [12:53:44] <jrmu> mate looks nice, I second it
1561 [12:53:50] <jrmu> apart from xfce it's probably my favorite
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1577 [13:02:10] <Haohmaru> i've tried mate cinnamon, lxqt, gnome, kde
1578 [13:02:26] <Haohmaru> kde is the worst
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1581 [13:02:54] <jrmu> I haven't tried lxqt yet. Is it lighter than xfce?
1582 [13:03:05] <Haohmaru> maybe
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1584 [13:03:54] <Haohmaru> lightdm+openbox+pcmanfm is a nice combo
1585 [13:03:54] <jrmu> do you mind if I ask you more on #debian-offtopic ?
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1598 [13:09:02] <Shadur> ... Sysadmin question: Suppose I mount /tmp as noexec, would there be ny debian software that'd choke on it?
1599 [13:09:47] <bielewelt> jrmu: In my experience, lxqt is not lighter than xfce – quite the opposite.
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1603 [13:11:15] <jrmu> bielewelt: thanks. Maybe I'll still keep recommending xfce then
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1630 [13:28:06] <Kman> i have MATE and xfce4 installed. The default DE is MATE, but when logout, can not select XFCE4 or other DEs
1631 [13:28:34] <Haohmaru> i think that's up to your login manager
1632 [13:28:41] <Haohmaru> which one do you use?
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1638 [13:30:45] <Kman> lightdm?
1639 [13:30:54] <Haohmaru> weird then
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1641 [13:31:27] <Kman> how i can install another login manager
1642 [13:31:29] <Haohmaru> i also use lightdm, and it somehow "magically" knows all desktop environments i have
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1645 [13:31:59] <Haohmaru> Kman, are you sure about all of that?
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1647 [13:32:11] <Kman> echo $DESKTOP_SESSION
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1649 [13:32:19] <Haohmaru> you know where the session changer is in lightdm, right?
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1655 [13:34:13] <Haohmaru> Kman, replaced-url
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1657 [13:36:30] <Kman> Haohmaru: what is that widget?
1658 [13:37:20] <Haohmaru> in lightdm you have a button (it may not look like a button, it may even be a listbox) where you can select the desktop
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1660 [13:38:00] <Haohmaru> it opens a list with the desktops you have (as far as lightdm knows) and you can switch it from there to xfce or so
1661 [13:38:09] <Haohmaru> otherwise it will run the default one
1662 [13:38:13] <Kman> the program name?
1663 [13:38:26] <Haohmaru> uhm.. what program
1664 [13:38:34] <Haohmaru> this is in lightdm
1665 [13:38:41] <Kman> i could not find the button
1666 [13:39:51] <Haohmaru> do you have a toolbar at the top of the screen?
1667 [13:40:04] <Kman> yeah
1668 [13:40:54] <Kman> replaced-url
1669 [13:41:44] <Haohmaru> that's not lightdm
1670 [13:41:50] <Haohmaru> this is your desktop
1671 [13:42:01] <Haohmaru> mate i guess
1672 [13:42:23] <Haohmaru> logout from it, and it should bring you to the lightdm login manager
1673 [13:42:32] <jrmu> Haohmaru: sorry about that. But yes, if you disable javascript, icecat/firefox should work much faster
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1676 [13:43:17] <Kman> Haohmaru: no options in login screen to select any DE
1677 [13:43:42] <Haohmaru> huh
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1680 [13:46:06] <Kman> here replaced-url
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1682 [13:46:14] <boodie> Hi (Jessie) while upgrading (apt-get upgrade), I have been prompted: "A new version (/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades.ucftmp) of configuration file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades is available, but the version installed currently has been locally │
1683 [13:46:14] <boodie> │ modified." ... "What do you want to do about modified configuration file 50unattended-upgrades?" I honestly don't remember why and when I modified the file (if I ever did). Should I opt for the version suggested by the package maintainer?
1684 [13:47:21] <Haohmaru> Kman, and you don't have a toolbar at the top?
1685 [13:47:31] <Haohmaru> or bottom, or somewhere
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1688 [13:48:37] <Haohmaru> Kman, i have installed debian with LXDE only, and i still have the desktop switcher, because it lists at least 3 options in my case: Default, LXDE, OpenBox
1689 [13:48:45] <Kman> i showed you replaced-url
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1691 [13:49:04] <Haohmaru> that's your desktop
1692 [13:49:34] <Haohmaru> the previous screenshot was indeed from lightdm, but was cropped and doesn't show the whole screen
1693 [13:49:35] <Kman> the default display manager is lightdm
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1695 [13:50:01] <Kman> from /etc/X11/default-display-manager
1696 [13:50:05] <towo^work> boodie, have you make any changes in that file by yourself?
1697 [13:50:40] <towo^work> boodie, if no, use the new maintainers file, if yes use your installed file
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1700 [13:51:47] <Haohmaru> Kman, replaced-url
1701 [13:52:02] <Haohmaru> yours should look similar to this, this is the gtk-greeter
1702 [13:52:24] <Haohmaru> see the toolbar thing? it has a few icons.. well, the first one of them is a button
1703 [13:53:57] <Kman> i think i need to remove lightdm and install gdm
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1705 [13:54:06] <Haohmaru> suit yourself
1706 [13:54:23] <Haohmaru> as long as it works and you can select your options
1707 [13:55:34] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): In doubt, I went for the new maintainers file. While upgrading (apt-get upgrade), I received the error android-androresolvd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) and the upgrade terminated, now ... how do I check whether I can proceed further with "dist-upgrade"?
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1717 [14:01:00] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): While upgrading (first step, "apt-get upgrade"), I received the following error "android-androresolvd E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" and the upgrade terminated, now ... how do I check whether I can proceed further with "dist-upgrade"?
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1719 [14:01:30] <babilen> dpkg: bat
1720 [14:01:31] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
1721 [14:01:43] <babilen> boodie: ^
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1726 [14:02:52] <forcerecon> is any able to run this on their debian stretch machine? I cannot get it to run at all..
1727 [14:02:52] <forcerecon> replaced-url
1728 [14:02:53] <Kman> Haohmaru: it seems i can not find gdm
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1732 [14:03:35] <Haohmaru> have you messed up your debian by any chance?
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1741 [14:05:17] <Kman> Haohmaru: ok gdm3
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1757 [14:10:19] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): how do I ste the output to English?
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1771 [14:18:51] <boodie> replaced-url
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1774 [14:20:24] <boodie> What would happen if I rerun "apt-get upgrade"?
1775 [14:20:40] <Haohmaru> you'd go into the future
1776 [14:21:13] <ksk> boodie: to set output to english you can do "LANG=C; $command"
1777 [14:21:24] <boodie> Thanks
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1812 [14:42:52] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): I am stuck in the middle of upgrading; the output of apt-get "upgrade" is huge, so I'm not sure if it can be pasted. Upgrade terminated because of a faulty package (android-androresolvd). .. how do I check whether I can proceed further with "dist-upgrade"?
1813 [14:43:26] <Haohmaru> smells like a sabotage from google
1814 [14:44:07] <towo^work> "how do I check whether I can proceed further with "dist-upgrade"?" try it?
1815 [14:44:17] <towo^work> what should be?
1816 [14:44:18] <jelly> ,v android-androresolvd
1817 [14:44:19] <judd> An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
1818 [14:44:22] <jelly> lol
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1820 [14:44:31] <jelly> judd, go to sleep
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1824 [14:45:09] <jelly> and those two, too
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1828 [14:45:31] <moldy> hi
1829 [14:46:01] <moldy> is it wrong to enter a fully-qualified hostname (e.g. `myhost.example.org`) in /etc/hostname?
1830 [14:46:26] <boodie> Ok, I will try "dist-upgrade" and see what happens ...
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1835 [14:47:37] <forcerecon> I want to connect to a network share via ssh automatically each time I log in rather then manually each time I reboot. How does one go about doing this. or maybe just throw out some keywords and I can search for myself online. I have not found anything with persistent ssh connection or mapping a permanent drive in linux.. nada.. any help is appreciated
1836 [14:47:40] <moldy> replaced-url
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1840 [14:48:23] <woenxs> use autofs
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1842 [14:48:39] <woenxs> replaced-url
1843 [14:49:50] <forcerecon> excellent.. reading now.. appreciated
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1860 [14:53:05] <jelly> ,v android-androresolvd
1861 [14:53:07] <judd> Package: android-androresolvd on amd64 -- jessie: 1.3-1; sid: 1.3-1+b1; buster: 1.3-1+b1; stretch: 1.3-1+b1
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1884 [15:01:38] <rovonovo_zoro> replaced-url
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1886 [15:02:29] <Ormu> Had a crash... I've noticed several brief flashes of the screen, and now something apparently crashed, screen turned black and yellow'ish noisy line was seen on the left edge. I suspect that this might be caused by xfwm4 composition. Where should I look for logged information? Has anyone else noticed similar problems?
1887 [15:03:12] <Ormu> GPU is Intel HD Graphics, integrated to CPU which is Core i5-520M.
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1891 [15:04:24] <Ormu> This is xfwm4 version 4.12.4 (revision 7844952) for Xfce 4.12
1892 [15:05:10] <vwill> hi all
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1914 [15:18:23] <darxmurf> hi
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1926 [15:24:05] <Antares> С Днем Рождения Колян - ростите большими и сильными!
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1928 [15:24:44] <Haohmaru> rrright
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1931 [15:25:45] <Haohmaru> can a folder somewhere on an ntfs volume be mounted to a folder in the linux?
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1933 [15:25:59] <Haohmaru> like.. say.. D:\somewhere\deep\thisfolder
1934 [15:26:43] <towo^work> no#
1935 [15:26:52] <towo^work> yo can only mount a device
1936 [15:26:53] <Haohmaru> only the whole volume?
1937 [15:26:59] <Haohmaru> okay
1938 [15:27:32] <Ormu> hm, screen flashed again and i caught this from dmesg: [ 1766.993135] [drm:ironlake_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* CPU pipe A FIFO underrun
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1940 [15:27:35] <Ormu> [ 1766.993235] [drm:ironlake_irq_handler [i915]] *ERROR* PCH transcoder A FIFO underrun
1941 [15:28:16] <Haohmaru> i915 smells like your intel gpu driver
1942 [15:28:32] <Ormu> it is, my GPU is Intel HD Graphics integrated to Core i5-520M CPU
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1945 [15:28:46] <Ormu> here's my previous message: Had a crash... I've noticed several brief flashes of the screen, and now something apparently crashed, screen turned black and yellow'ish noisy line was seen on the left edge. I suspect that this might be caused by xfwm4 composition. Where should I look for logged information? Has anyone else noticed similar problems?
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1948 [15:29:23] <Haohmaru> xfwm is xfce's window manager?
1949 [15:29:26] <Ormu> yes
1950 [15:29:39] <Haohmaru> then i don't know.. i don't use it
1951 [15:29:50] <Ormu> and it supports composition which is currently enabled... I'm not sure if it causes this problem but i wouldn't be surprised
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1953 [15:30:53] <Ormu> I had Xfce on LMDE on this computer previously, composition was off and I never observed problems like this. Now I installed Debian, composition is enabled (by default) and this is happening
1954 [15:31:14] <towo^work> which ddx you are using?
1955 [15:31:19] <Ormu> ddx?
1956 [15:31:24] <towo^work> x driver
1957 [15:31:26] <Haohmaru> what's LMDE?
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1959 [15:31:49] <Ormu> Linux Mint Debian Edition, basically an edition of Mint that uses Debian (Jessie) stuff
1960 [15:31:50] <towo^work> Haohmaru, linux mint debian edition
1961 [15:31:54] <Haohmaru> oh
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1964 [15:32:39] <Ormu> looks like it's not going to receive major updates anytime soon and many software are getting old so I switched. Nowadays I prefer plain debian anyway.
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1966 [15:33:26] <towo^work> Ormu, again, which x driver you are using? intel or modesetting (wich is default)
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1968 [15:33:30] <enyc> debian MATE packages seem to work, fwiw!
1969 [15:33:40] <enyc> not sure about debian-supplied Cinnamon
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1973 [15:34:04] <Ormu> towo^work - default one i think,
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1975 [15:34:26] <towo^work> Ormu, then i would try intel, which is better for modern intel gpu
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1987 [15:36:42] <Ormu> towo^work: i ran lshw -c video and it shows: configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
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1989 [15:36:56] <Ormu> under "VGA compatible controller"
1990 [15:36:59] <towo^work> Ormu, that is the kernel driver
1991 [15:37:12] <Ormu> oh, meh
1992 [15:37:13] <towo^work> Xorg.0.log would tell you the x driver
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1996 [15:39:10] <Ormu> [ 26.157] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/modesetting_drv.so
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1998 [15:39:33] <towo^work> that's, what i'm expecting
1999 [15:39:41] <towo^work> so i would test with intel
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2001 [15:40:29] <Ormu> ok, let's try that. Btw, why is this modesetting driver used as a default? Is it related to free/non-free aspects?
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2003 [15:41:14] <towo^work> no, it's because the intel ddx is in a not so good shape for older chipsets
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2006 [15:41:46] <Ormu> hm :O
2007 [15:42:17] <towo^work> Ormu, you can use intel with mkdir -p /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ; echo -e 'Section "Device"\n\tIdentifier "My GPU"\n\tDriver "intel"\nEndSection' > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/20-intel.conf
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2014 [15:43:32] <Ormu> thanks, doing it now. Btw, this "drm" thing in dmesg and elsewhere is confusing. It's not related to digital restrictions management, right? :P
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2016 [15:43:57] <towo^work> Ormu, no, its direct rendering management
2017 [15:44:01] <tremolo> direct rendering
2018 [15:44:05] <tremolo> oh, hi
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2020 [15:44:19] <stree> the software rendering mode is off, download unetbootin, put the forest trees
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2024 [15:45:45] <celyr> mh
2025 [15:45:56] <celyr> lxterm is not showing the new colorful prompt
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2027 [15:46:09] <celyr> If I force the PS1 with colors it does work
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2029 [15:46:17] <celyr> I wonder why it was disabled with lxterm
2030 [15:46:22] <celyr> not sure I'm going to fix that tho
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2038 [15:49:19] <desktopgnubie> I've got a folder called writings which contains many subfolders/ The contents of these subfolders are only files terminated in .txt and .odt What command shall I use to copy all the .odt files to a folder called backup?
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2040 [15:50:49] <celyr> find folder -name *.odt -exec cp {} backup_folder \;
2041 [15:50:58] <celyr> or something like that
2042 [15:51:22] <celyr> desktopgnubie, do you wank to keep the subdirectory structure ?
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2051 [15:55:02] <Haohmaru> wank? ;]
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2054 [15:55:29] <Ormu> now it's using the intel driver i think: [ 23.920] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
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2056 [15:56:08] <Haohmaru> that's not a black-box binary-blob type of driver, is it?
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2059 [15:56:57] <Ormu> it says that it's provided by X.org foundation, i suppose not. And I think Intel supports the open-source driver development.
2060 [15:57:01] <RATS> iii ...
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2063 [15:57:36] * RATS I get one ram from laptop
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2065 [15:58:13] <jhutchins> desktopgnubie: rsync
2066 [15:58:15] * RATS good planning to building on airport aircraft
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2069 [15:59:23] <Ormu> towo^work: the package description for the intel driver seems to discourage its use... and Archlinux wiki says the same. Do you know why?
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2072 [16:00:05] <RATS> Asking Intel?
2073 [16:00:25] <Ormu> I'll use it anyway unless it causes problems. thx for help!
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2075 [16:00:33] <jhutchins> towo^work: Ormu CTUlly, thw linw Ormu showed with the i915 driver was the kernel module for the Intel graphics.
2076 [16:00:36] * RATS HTML setting maybe...
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2078 [16:01:04] <Ormu> :O
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2083 [16:01:14] <RATS> Module 1 : ?
2084 [16:01:20] <afidegnum> what does this command means? ‘ps -ef’
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2086 [16:01:47] <Ormu> list all processes
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2088 [16:02:25] <RATS> Commands?
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2091 [16:03:09] <jhutchins> afidegnum: man ps will give you lots of info and options.
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2102 [16:09:34] <desktopgnubie> celyr, my bad but I should have mentioned that i want to copy the *.odt files in the folder writings to the folder backup *keeping* the names of its subfolders
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2104 [16:09:53] <celyr> desktopgnubie, as jhutchins said rsync
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2107 [16:11:28] <desktopgnubie> sorry but i do not understand what you mean by rsync. I am desktop newbie. what would be the full command that i would have to execute?
2108 [16:11:40] <celyr> desktopgnubie, or you can pipe find output with tar
2109 [16:12:42] <themill> desktopgnubie: if you ask how to do something, there's a good chance someone will answer with the name of a tool you can use to do it.
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2114 [16:13:46] <desktopgnubie> the mill, ok but the full command would be nicer :)
2115 [16:14:09] <themill> not a chance.
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2118 [16:15:34] <celyr> desktopgnubie, well you can find using the -name option like I told you and the -o option and then | to tar that has a very easy syntax and to compress the stdin just use -
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2120 [16:16:01] <celyr> with tar you can also compress on the fly
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2122 [16:16:18] <celyr> look for J z and I will never remember the xz syntax
2123 [16:16:46] <celyr> well it's J
2124 [16:16:51] <celyr> j is for bzip2
2125 [16:17:57] <Ormu> if there's a compressed tar file with many files inside, is it necessary to de-compress the entire file to read the list of contents?
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2128 [16:18:47] <Ormu> or is it possible to get the list without full decompression, AND are there archivers that can do it this way?
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2131 [16:19:49] <celyr> Ormu, -t
2132 [16:19:55] <celyr> freaking man tar
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2141 [16:23:34] <Ormu> celyr: hm ok. So that way it only de-compresses a part of the file until it finds the file list? I think not all GUI archivers can read the contents except by de-compressing everything first (and I don't mean extracting the tar file, just removing the gzip/bzip2/lzma/whatever compression)
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2143 [16:24:31] <celyr> I think that every sane compression format has an header with the list of the files so I don't expect that list option is going to decompress anything but the header
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2146 [16:25:04] <celyr> well
2147 [16:25:10] <Ormu> hm... replaced-url
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2152 [16:26:38] <celyr> If the archive is seekable it actually doesn't read it all
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2154 [16:26:53] <celyr> But If it's compressed then I guess that it has to be uncompressed completely
2155 [16:27:04] <Ormu> yeah, that's what i somewhat expected
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2157 [16:27:15] <jelly> celyr, tar isn't a compression format, it's just an archive format. streaming compressions typically applied on top are not aware of tar metadata
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2159 [16:27:59] <jelly> so yeah, you need to pass the whole thing thru a decompression stage to be able to list the contents
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2165 [16:29:07] <eugenmayer> hello, any guid or summary on how key distributions for apt-servers are to be handled with stretch? it seems like most of the configuration management stuff is broken with stretch since keys are distributed a different way?
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2170 [16:30:53] <jelly> keys for what, eugenmayer?
2171 [16:31:11] <eugenmayer> apt repos, like docker, percona and so forth
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2173 [16:31:30] <eugenmayer> jelly: replaced-url
2174 [16:31:33] <jelly> just put them in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/
2175 [16:31:58] <eugenmayer> well thats what i got, but is there a way to do this the old fashioned way
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2177 [16:32:05] <eugenmayer> apt-key alike?
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2181 [16:32:26] <citypw> replaced-url
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2189 [16:34:42] <jelly> eugenmayer, > gpg: failed to start the dirmngr '/usr/bin/dirmngr'
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2191 [16:35:07] <jelly> eugenmayer, so... install dirmngr. Some Recommends are actually useful.
2192 [16:35:49] <jelly> if you go out of your way to disable Recommends, you'll get breakage now and then
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2195 [16:36:28] <jelly> nothing to do with trusted.gpg.d/
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2208 [16:38:48] <eugenmayer> jelly: i remember trying this with my recipes, and installing dirmngr did not help in this case
2209 [16:38:51] <themill> dropping keyring files into /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d also works in jessie
2210 [16:39:15] <jelly> eugenmayer, then show your case.
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2215 [16:39:35] <eugenmayer> jelly: i will, sorry, Will reproduce and come back later. Thanks in any way!
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2219 [16:40:23] <themill> The use of apt-key for this sort of thing has been discouraged for years btw
2220 [16:40:39] <Shadur> If I have multiple entries for, e.g., eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, will it assign/deassign each of the addresses mentioned in said entries on ifup/ifdown ?
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2224 [16:42:35] <saijusgeorge> Hi Guys , is it possible to add multiple ExecStart= command prameter in one systemd file eg: /lib/systemd/system/snort.service
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2262 [17:01:04] <TandyUK> ok, im confused, on a debian box, i have crontabs for 2 users
2263 [17:01:17] <TandyUK> in /etc/aliases, both users forward mail to the same address
2264 [17:01:35] <TandyUK> im gettign emails from root's crons, but not from james'
2265 [17:02:00] <petn-randall> TandyUK: Did you run 'postalias /etc/aliases' after updating that file?
2266 [17:02:02] <TandyUK> when logged in as james, i can "mail -s subject email@addy" and it gets delivered
2267 [17:02:07] <greycat> Are you sure both of them actually *produce* output?
2268 [17:02:09] <TandyUK> ah i ran newaliases
2269 [17:02:18] <TandyUK> yes the cron job defineitly gives output
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2271 [17:02:37] <jhutchins_wk> TandyUK: Does the output get delivered to james?
2272 [17:02:54] <TandyUK> its james crontab so yes
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2274 [17:03:14] <TandyUK> i dont have 'postalias'
2275 [17:03:22] <TandyUK> debian 8 this is
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2279 [17:04:24] <TandyUK> im watching my mailservers logs, it doesnt appear that james' crontab is even sending a mail (or trying to)
2280 [17:04:51] <TandyUK> this is defined in /etc/cron.d/filename
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2282 [17:04:58] <greycat> Create a new job that simply does "echo hello world" and runs in the next couple minutes, and see if that one produces a mail.
2283 [17:05:05] <TandyUK> * * * * * james /opt/observium/adslsynccheck.php
2284 [17:05:16] <TandyUK> that DOES give output, so no idea why im not seeingit
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2287 [17:06:03] <greycat> Are you sure it runs at all? The . in the filename...
2288 [17:06:15] <TandyUK> added * * * * * james echo hello world
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2290 [17:06:35] <TandyUK> yeah theres like 15 other cronjobs defined in that file
2291 [17:06:38] <TandyUK> all of which run
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2293 [17:07:30] <themill> TandyUK: do you have MAILTO= in your user's crontab?
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2298 [17:08:08] <mquin> Can you succesfully run it as 'james' outside of cron? Does it depend on any environment variables, or try to run any external commands?
2299 [17:08:13] <greycat> He's apparently using files in /etc/cron.d/ not individual crontabs.
2300 [17:08:17] <TandyUK> no, but then neither does root, and im getting mails fro mroots crontabs
2301 [17:08:44] <greycat> Or rather, one gigantic file in /etc/cron.d/ instead of one file per job, god only knows why, what he's doing...
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2304 [17:10:01] <TandyUK> all the crons are for the same service (observium)
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2307 [17:10:51] <greycat> The first thing is to find out whether the job is actually running *at all*. It should create a log entry somewhere in /var/log/ if/when it does run.
2308 [17:11:09] <TandyUK> yeah im watching cron.log atm
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2310 [17:11:24] <TandyUK> and wtf is all i can say "Error: bad username; while reading /etc/cron.d/observium"
2311 [17:11:24] <themill> TandyUK: mail should go to the owner of the crontab not the user it ran as btw
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2314 [17:11:32] <greycat> Second thing is to test user "james" ability to receive email. Send mail from james to james. See where it goes.
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2316 [17:11:50] <TandyUK> james is forwarded to my external mail, which gets delivered
2317 [17:12:28] <greycat> Third thing is to see whether the cron job runs *correctly* in the cron environment. Maybe you've forgotten to give it +x permissions, or a proper shebang.
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2319 [17:12:47] <TandyUK> the problem is "Error: bad username; while reading /etc/cron.d/observium"
2320 [17:12:56] <greycat> Maybe it relies on stdin being a tty, or the TERM variable being set, or some other environmental thing that won't be present in cron.
2321 [17:13:05] <TandyUK> and nfi why, its running as the same user as every other entry in there
2322 [17:13:43] <TandyUK> ah ffs, it was a previous cron edit that was wrong
2323 [17:13:50] <TandyUK> nothign to do with what ive just added
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2325 [17:14:24] <TandyUK> lo and behold i suddenly have mail
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2360 [17:28:54] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): I am dist-upgrading ... it says "Only one display manager can manage a given X server, but multiple display manager packages are installed. Please select which display manager should run by default" and it offers gdm3 / lightdm / sddm ... which should I choose?
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2363 [17:30:39] <babilen> boodie: Which one do you want to use?
2364 [17:30:44] <towo`> boodie, it's your choice
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2366 [17:32:00] <Ormu> no issues with the intel driver yet :o
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2368 [17:32:23] <boodie> No idea ... at the moment I have Xfce, if it makes any sense, but it's a window manager, I understand
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2370 [17:33:21] <Ormu> lightdm is the usual option for Xfce desktop
2371 [17:33:29] <boodie> OK, thanx!
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2373 [17:34:46] <aladeen> hello i'm a beginner debian user. I can't login with graphic desktop becouse the hdd is full. I don't know why. Before few days the hdd was almost empty in this time full.
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2377 [17:35:12] <aladeen> what can i do whit this problem
2378 [17:35:36] <jhutchins_wk> boodie: You could uninstall the ones you don't use.
2379 [17:35:50] <jhutchins_wk> boodie: Sometimes gdm is useful for things that rely on gnome authentication.
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2381 [17:36:51] <Marthsoul> Hello, looking for help with samba - my configuration file is - replaced-url
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2383 [17:37:11] <jelly> aladeen, run "df", take note which filesystem is full. The try to do "apt-get clean" as root, for a start, run "df" again and see if there's any difference
2384 [17:38:09] <aladeen> i tried this solution but happened nothing
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2386 [17:39:00] <greycat> Finding out where the big files are is an art form, not a recipe.
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2388 [17:39:20] <greycat> You typically *guess* places that are likely to have unexpected/unwated large files, and you look in those places, and see if you guessed correctly.
2389 [17:39:37] <greycat> Such places include /var/tmp and /tmp and /home/youruser and /var/log ...
2390 [17:39:55] <jhutchins_wk> aladeen: Since we don't know what your system is running, we don't know what's likely to be taking up space. If it filled up over a short period of time, I would suspect that something is logging a lot.
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2392 [17:40:43] <jhutchins_wk> aladeen: One thing that is likely to free up at least a little bit of space is to run logrotate -f /etc/logrotate.conf
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2398 [17:44:07] <jelly> aladeen, okay, can you pastebin the output of df
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2400 [17:44:17] <boodie> It seems that the dist-upgrade was completed, giving the usual error message regarding android-androresolvd - replaced-url
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2403 [17:44:39] <boodie> I should reboot and see what happened ... fingers crossed
2404 [17:44:57] <aladeen> the problem is in the /var folder
2405 [17:45:16] <aladeen> it's size 450Gb
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2407 [17:45:24] <greycat> cd /var ; du -sk *
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2409 [17:45:46] <greycat> or -sh if you prefer that
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2411 [17:46:20] * jelly finds du -s a waste of iops, traverses all the fs tree, then reports just top level
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2413 [17:46:45] <jelly> I usually something like "du -x /var > /dev/shm/du-x-var.txt", then sort -n /dev/shm/du-x-var.txt | tail
2414 [17:46:55] <greycat> Ideally the directory info will be cached at that point, so subsequent du's inside subdirs will go quickly.
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2416 [17:47:49] <jelly> except when you have millions of small files instead of a small number of huge ones
2417 [17:48:25] <greycat> As I said, it's an art form. If it gets "stuck" on something then I just Ctrl-C it.
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2420 [17:48:35] <jelly> that's what -x is for
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2424 [17:49:56] <aladeen> ahhha the problem in the var/log/cups/error_log file
2425 [17:50:11] <greycat> good work finding it
2426 [17:50:18] <aladeen> thanks guy
2427 [17:50:39] <Marthsoul> Hello, looking for help with samba - my configuration file is - replaced-url
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2440 [17:53:48] <aladeen> thanks for everyone
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2443 [17:54:12] <eugenmayer> jelly: any way you know, how this is done properly in debian stretch ? replaced-url
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2446 [17:54:41] <eugenmayer> jelly: when i am reading the docs right, symlinking /dev/null to /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules is what shall be done?
2447 [17:54:42] <jaami> my debian does not follow my instructions because i removed every sign of firefox from my system. please give me exact link for net install iso so i can re install debian
2448 [17:54:54] <jelly> eugenmayer, I think 70-persistent-net.rules doesn't even get generated on a fresh stretch at all?
2449 [17:55:16] <eugenmayer> jelly: is strict nic naming opt in or opt out on fresh installs?
2450 [17:55:29] <eugenmayer> if it is opt out, i guess those files will not be generated, yes
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2452 [17:55:42] <jelly> predictable iface names are default with new installs
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2455 [17:55:50] <jhutchins_wk> eugenmayer: I think the idea is that the new naming convention makes the lock-down of MAC id's unnecessary.
2456 [17:56:04] <jelly> eugenmayer, I wouldn't call it "strict" :>
2457 [17:56:23] <jelly> (or predictable really)
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2459 [17:57:01] <jelly> (it's only as predictable as your PCI/USB device layout)
2460 [17:57:26] <eugenmayer> jelly: how would i opt out properly from that, the grub command line only? net.ifname=0 ?
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2462 [17:57:54] <jaami> i am next in queue
2463 [17:58:00] <eugenmayer> jelly: i think the vagrant devs / bento guys do want to stay with eth0 for now, so i would opt out in that PR
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2468 [17:59:32] <jaami> and ?
2469 [18:00:10] <jelly> eugenmayer, sure, that's what I do for our VMs as well.
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2474 [18:00:24] <jelly> our jessies didn't even systemd.
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2476 [18:01:01] <jaami> please give me correct link for the debian netinstall iso. and please dont give me the one that will not work
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2478 [18:01:22] <towo`> jaami, replaced-url
2479 [18:01:23] <eugenmayer> jelly: you opt out using grub also?
2480 [18:01:30] <jelly> jaami, where did you install it from last time? Did you need non-free firmware or not?
2481 [18:01:48] <jelly> eugenmayer, grub is just fine.
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2483 [18:02:00] <jelly> we have a separate small disk just for grub!
2484 [18:02:03] <jelly> and /boot
2485 [18:02:10] <jaami> jelly , i got help from someone i dont remember his name.
2486 [18:02:26] <jelly> jaami, do you have a laptop or a wireless card
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2488 [18:02:57] <jaami> the iso i download from debian site never work for me, i have tried 2 times already
2489 [18:03:11] <jaami> jelly , yes, laptop wih wifi card
2490 [18:03:13] <greycat> !firmware image
2491 [18:03:13] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
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2496 [18:03:57] <jelly> jaami, download netinst from there, then. ^^ amd64 -> iso-cd -> firmware blah blah iso
2497 [18:04:27] <hexnewbie> On Stretch, how do you start a samba domain controller? Starting samba.service fails, because nmbd fails with an error - the error is that I shouldn't start nmbd, but samba instead
2498 [18:04:32] <towo`> jaami, wget -Nc replaced-url
2499 [18:04:36] <hexnewbie> “You should start 'samba' instead, and it will control starting the internal nbt server”
2500 [18:04:50] <hexnewbie> How do I start samba instead of samba.service, LOL?
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2503 [18:05:11] <towo`> hexnewbie, you should start smbd, not samba
2504 [18:05:25] <jaami> jelly , yes, one question, amd64 is good for intel i7?
2505 [18:05:32] <greycat> jaami: yes
2506 [18:05:34] <towo`> yes, it is
2507 [18:05:49] <jaami> oh ok, ty everybody for the help
2508 [18:05:53] <greycat> Intel copied the amd64 architecture.
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2510 [18:06:03] <hexnewbie> towo`: smbd also fails with the exact same error - You should start 'samba' instead, and it will control starting smbd if required
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2512 [18:06:40] <towo`> hexnewbie, stretch?
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2514 [18:06:46] <hexnewbie> towo`: Yes
2515 [18:07:03] <jaami> ohhh, amd64 is parent of intel. really, i had bad experience with amd processors. it get slower when heated.
2516 [18:07:06] <greycat> My stretch machine with samba installed has an smbd.service and an nmbd.service running, and "systemctl status samba" says it's masked.
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2518 [18:07:13] <patr> Has debian now live cd sidtributions?
2519 [18:07:26] <jelly> !live
2520 [18:07:27] <dpkg> The Debian Live project provides pre-built Debian live system images and allows creation of your own. These can be used to install a Debian system. Live images are available from replaced-url
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2522 [18:07:55] <patr> Is the ryzen cpu supportet by strech?
2523 [18:07:56] <greycat> The Live CDs are known to have issues if you try to install with them. Use the netinst or the full DVD image.
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2525 [18:08:25] <eugenmayer> jelly: thank you!
2526 [18:08:29] <jelly> cheers
2527 [18:08:41] <patr> I tested it wwith ubuntu 17.10 beta release
2528 [18:08:49] <hexnewbie> towo`: Oh. I figured it out. I need to start samba-ad-dc
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2530 [18:09:05] <patr> and that is not so good
2531 [18:09:28] <eugenmayer> jelly: there is still a lot of work to get all the packer / chef / cloud images up to speed with stretch
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2533 [18:09:51] <jelly> patr, if you want excellent linux support, wait a year before buying a new platform
2534 [18:10:00] <jelly> (never buy latest)
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2538 [18:10:40] <patr> jelly the support is not so good
2539 [18:10:57] <towo`> hexnewbie, i was wrong since i'm on unstable, there ist samba-ad-dc.service masked and smbd has to be used
2540 [18:10:57] <patr> i installed the backports kernels
2541 [18:11:11] <patr> but it is not stable enough
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2546 [18:11:36] <hexnewbie> towo`: It was masked. I unmasked it. :S
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2548 [18:12:09] <towo`> hexnewbie, on sid samba starts fine with the smbd service
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2551 [18:14:18] <patr> hallo treaki
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2594 [18:40:13] <Cerebr0> Hi there ! I was wondering, what are the main changes with stretch becoming the stable version ?
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2596 [18:40:39] <nkuttler> Cerebr0: what do you mean? see the release notes?
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2599 [18:41:17] <Cerebr0> I just don't really get it
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2601 [18:41:44] <Cerebr0> Is the system changing, like the OS itself ? or is it just new packages added to the (maybe a bit changed) OS ?
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2604 [18:42:46] <boodie> Hi (Stretch): I managed to successfully upgrade, everything seems to work. Thanks to everybody for help & patience.
2605 [18:42:57] <boodie> One couple of minor quirks; 1) firefox seems in trouble with the video contents (youtube). I deactivated flash and it loads the content, but briefly afterwards the video freezes, while the sound keeps going.
2606 [18:43:01] <boodie> 2) In aptitude I see chromium as updatable package, but it has conflicts. The current version of chromium installed works, though and shows video content with audio no problem
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2612 [18:44:29] <mvaenskae> cheers, how would i best execute an arm-binary in debian? using qemu in some mode i gather
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2627 [18:53:36] <mvaenskae> ah, i am a derp, i have a pi3 running some linux... issue solved :)
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2629 [18:53:53] <BCMM> mvaenskae: there is user-mode qemu, but unless that binary is statically linked, you're likely to have to jump through some hoops
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2634 [18:54:36] <BCMM> mvaenskae: i.e. you will also need any ARM libraries it links against, and to fiddle with paths to make it find those libraries
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2636 [18:54:55] <mvaenskae> so i think my approach with the pi is the quickest way to get things working for a single binary
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2638 [18:55:16] <BCMM> mvaenskae: i mean, there's a lot of different sorts of ARM
2639 [18:55:26] <mvaenskae> true
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2641 [18:55:48] <BCMM> mvaenskae: if its not built for the same OS and arch you're running on the pi it still might not work. can you give any more information about this binary?
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2643 [18:57:07] <mvaenskae> i can build it from source; i was able to cross-compile it and such and was quite stumped then on how to run it
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2646 [18:58:04] <BCMM> mvaenskae: ah, that's OK then! you'll have the necessary arm libs to run it somewhere in the system you used to cross-compile it
2647 [18:58:16] <BCMM> mvaenskae: you need the debian package qemu-user
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2650 [18:59:01] <BCMM> you can execute it using qemu-arm (as opposed to qemu-system-arm, which emulates an entire machine complete with OS)
2651 [18:59:05] <mvaenskae> so basically follow this guide here? replaced-url
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2653 [18:59:29] <BCMM> and you will need to set the appropriate directory in QEMU_LD_PREFIX
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2656 [19:00:10] <BCMM> mvaenskae: i've not read that, or done that before on debian
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2658 [19:00:31] <BCMM> is that guide similar to how you got the ARM toolchain you built this binary with?
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2660 [19:01:44] <mvaenskae> the guide i linked is what i would have run; the guide i followed for cross-compiling was a different one
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2662 [19:02:03] <BCMM> ah, i see. that guide is using the awesome binfmt_misc system rather than calling qemu-arm manually
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2668 [19:02:46] <BCMM> i was talking about running qemu-arm with appropriate params to execute the binary; with this guide, you will just do ./a.out and Linux will magically work out that it needs to use qemu to execute it
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2671 [19:04:11] <BCMM> mvaenskae: i was asking if the guide overlapped with what you've already done, like the dpkg-cross bits for example
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2673 [19:04:41] <BCMM> mvaenskae: you presumably already have an arm libc, and should try to run the binary with the one you used to build it
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2680 [19:13:26] <boodie> Hi (Stretch); after the upgrade from jessie I am left with a dependency conflict (chromium) ... what is the best way to sort it out?
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2708 [19:26:47] <patr> What do you think is a epyc processor to use with debian linux?
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2717 [19:29:39] <teraflops> AARCH64
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2744 [19:46:05] <tw> Is there a device enumeration thing for aarch64 that doesn't require manual devicetree setup with a generic kernel?
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2746 [19:47:10] <teraflops> idk
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2748 [19:47:45] <pie3> replaced-url
2749 [19:47:49] <pie3> are you aware about such awards?
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2771 [19:56:22] <jdennis1> I've noticed a few times when I do an apt-get upgrade on a kvm guest and it's host (both debian Jessie) that the guest end's up with an apt-get upgrade process that stopped in the middle and I have to re-run it. Also this time it happened, I also ended up with a corrupt mysql rely log file.
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2773 [19:57:08] <jdennis1> is there a best practice or something I should be doing here to avoid that? Like shutting down guests before doing an apt-get upgrade on the host? I feel confident I didn't reboot the host while the guest was still updating.
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2784 [20:02:37] <jhutchins_wk> jdennis1: I would at the very least avoid updating both the host and the guest at the same time.
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2786 [20:03:13] <jhutchins_wk> jdennis1: Some services get restarted on some updates, that could be what's tripping your guests, so shutting them down while upgrading the host is probably a good idea.
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2820 [20:21:42] <vwill> hi all
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2825 [20:23:25] <jdennis1> jhutchins_wk: thanks for the response
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2836 [20:26:26] <eugenmayer1> is there any way to opt out from persistent nic names using a preseed file ( like setting cmd_linux in a preseed )_?
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2862 [20:40:43] <agowa338> I've a problem with dpkg. I'm trying to run "dpkg --configure -a" and I receive "dpkg: error: error creating new backup file '/var/lib/dpkg/status-old': Operation not permitted." How can I fix this?
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2867 [20:44:54] <Brigo> agowa338, it looks like dpkg can't write there. Is the disk full?
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2872 [20:45:53] <agowa338> no, the disk is not full, I even can touch to create that file, but it still fails.
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2874 [20:46:13] <agowa338> But I should say, that it is running within an nspawn container
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2880 [20:49:48] <BlackBishop> any simple way to get a vnc on my :0 screen as soon as X starts !?
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2890 [20:55:02] <agowa338> Brigo: ok, found the problem it is systemd related... the some files (not that from the error message) were generated with uid and gid 0 on the host (so they were owned by nobody within the nspawn container), so the namespace mapping seams to have failed.
2891 [20:55:47] <agowa338> Brigo: Now I'm going to delete and regenerate that container. The whole filesystem is messed up because of that.
2892 [20:56:25] <stefano_> hello guys
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2894 [20:58:01] <Brigo> agowa338, a lot of fun :)
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2898 [20:58:47] <stefano_> I installed debian next to windows 10 few days ago. Windows uses 250 gb, debian 90. I just realized i love my debian too much, after an hard work it works perfectly! despite mesa drivers are a lil bit slower, i'd still like to move more things to it, also available on linux steam games
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2900 [20:59:12] <stefano_> the fact is that, as u can guess, 90 gb are too little to install good games
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2902 [20:59:23] <jmcnaught> agowa338: i had that happen to me a few weeks ago then i couldn't reproduce it. Are you using --private-users-chown or -U?
2903 [20:59:23] <stefano_> soooo
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2905 [20:59:29] <agowa338> Brigo: thanks, but without knowing the root cause it seams somewhat unreliable to me. So I'll try recreating the problem to find the exact root cause.
2906 [20:59:36] <stefano_> how can i enlarge my debian installation?
2907 [20:59:46] <mutante> stefano_: delete Windows and you have 250G for games :)
2908 [21:00:16] <mutante> stefano_: well, if you selected "with LVM" during install then resizing is much easier
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2910 [21:00:32] <_rubik> stefano_: Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but you are not able to resize the drive unless you used an LVM
2911 [21:00:43] <mutante> you can add a second drive though
2912 [21:00:43] <stree> second
2913 [21:00:47] <stefano_> mutante: are u italian? (seen your name) actually i need windows too so cannot delete it ahah
2914 [21:00:48] <jhutchins_wk> stefano_: it's possible to shrink the Windows partition and grow the linux partition.
2915 [21:00:52] <agowa338> stefano_: boot up windows (if bitlocker encrypted) shrink your partition than delete the linux partition and reinstall.
2916 [21:00:56] <stefano_> oh damn
2917 [21:01:05] <stefano_> it didn't ask me if i wanted to use lvm :(
2918 [21:01:11] <agowa338> or buy a second hard drive
2919 [21:01:15] <stefano_> damn
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2921 [21:01:16] <jhutchins_wk> stefano_: You need to have a backup of anything you can't just reinstall, because things can go wrong in the process.
2922 [21:01:23] <mutante> stefano_: in the auto-partioning step it should say something like "encrypted with LVM"
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2924 [21:01:35] <_rubik> stefano_: It should have asked you if you wanted a logical volume during the install.
2925 [21:01:47] <stefano_> mutante: i know. installing it to an empty hdd it asked me, not this time.
2926 [21:01:52] <jhutchins_wk> stefano_: You can still resize partitions, but you they need to be unmounted (boot to live CD).
2927 [21:02:02] <mutante> stefano_: not Italian :) and yea, what jhutchins_wk said
2928 [21:02:13] <stefano_> jhutchins_wk: that's a good news
2929 [21:02:18] <stefano_> thank you guys!
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2931 [21:02:27] <jhutchins_wk> stefano_: The most common thing to go wrong is "Oops" - human error.
2932 [21:02:38] <BlackBishop> I tried this to get the vnc get up when gdm starts ..
2933 [21:02:40] <BlackBishop> replaced-url
2934 [21:02:41] <agowa338> you also could install onto an usb (recommending usb 3.0 sticks) ;-)
2935 [21:02:47] <stefano_> jhutchins_wk: i know ahah
2936 [21:03:03] <stefano_> agowa338: and for me? i don't have 3.0 :P
2937 [21:03:26] <agowa338> than use 2.0 with copy to ram boot loader parameter and overlay fs
2938 [21:03:31] <stree> thats automatic overlay
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2941 [21:04:18] <agowa338> BlackBishop: Why use vnc? Isn't ssh and/or xpra an alternative?
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2943 [21:04:44] <jmcnaught> BlackBishop: are you using upstart? why edit files in /etc/init?
2944 [21:05:13] <stefano_> replaced-url
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2947 [21:05:48] <BlackBishop> agowa338: not my choice to make. and hard to change the user's mind.
2948 [21:06:10] <BlackBishop> jmcnaught: debian 8.8 so .. no :/ where should I change it then ?
2949 [21:06:25] <BlackBishop> I guess /etc/gdm3/Init/Default before the exit 0 would work ! :/ any other pretty way ?
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2952 [21:08:12] <agowa338> BlackBishop: From an users perspective xpra is better, because it looks like the app would be running locally.
2953 [21:08:43] <BlackBishop> agowa338: good luck trying to convince old people to try new stuff :|
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2955 [21:09:00] <BlackBishop> if it would up to me I'd recommend X forwarding and no root login
2956 [21:09:08] <BlackBishop> but .. again, not my choice to make.
2957 [21:09:14] <jmcnaught> BlackBishop: look at "man gdm3" for what gdm3 tries to execute. the files in /etc/init are for upstart which is a discontinued init replacement.
2958 [21:09:22] <BlackBishop> ok
2959 [21:09:33] <agowa338> BlackBishop: I convinced people switching from xp to windows 7 and windows 10, so I know what you're facing right now ;-)
2960 [21:09:52] <tw> does xpra still leak server-side memory?
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2966 [21:10:52] <agowa338> tw: I haven't noticed that recently, so I think not?
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2970 [21:11:42] <tw> You'd notice. After a day, it'd be >1GB RES for something semi-static.
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2973 [21:12:17] <tw> So must be mostly fixed.
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2975 [21:12:45] <stefano_> can i see if a disk is lvm from disk management?
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2977 [21:12:53] <Vasistha> I have a thinkpad w500 running jessie (oldstable). If I bring up xev, I can see key press events for the volume-up and volume-down keys, but not for mute. Mute used to work before I upgraded to jessie (some time ago). Any idea what I can do to make the mute button work?
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2983 [21:14:19] <agowa338> stefano_: if you mean the windows one no, from the linux one it would say it is lvm ;-)
2984 [21:14:45] <stefano_> agowa338: were exactly. if there isn't at all means it's not? :(
2985 [21:15:34] <carp> Hi. If a person accidently were to type in their password into the terminal and press enter, it is now easily visible. What would you recommend? Should the person try to remove this command from 'history' as it were.
2986 [21:16:00] <mr__tea> I recommend to change the password
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2991 [21:17:19] <agowa338> stefano_: "fdisk /dev/sda" => p => Spalte Typ
2992 [21:17:20] <teraflops> carp: the issue I see more is people typing their password in the user prompt either on tty or DM
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2995 [21:17:37] <teraflops> and it's shown in logs obv
2996 [21:18:03] <agowa338> carp: change the password and go ahead
2997 [21:18:05] <carp> The computer is just a personal computer, and only one user. Is it still a security risk?
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2999 [21:18:52] <mr__tea> carp: heh just change the password :D
3000 [21:18:52] <teraflops> it wont hurt if you change your passwd, but I dont think is an issue
3001 [21:19:09] <mr__tea> good practice.
3002 [21:19:38] <carp> Yeah, a good idea to do that. Thanks for the tips guys.
3003 [21:19:51] <Vasistha> carp: history -c will clear your entire history, or you can use history -d with a particular line number to delete one entry. help history
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3010 [21:21:49] <carp> Vasistha: thanks
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3073 [21:53:53] <jhutchins_wk> carp: It's a pretty narrow security list.
3074 [21:54:21] <jhutchins_wk> carp: "Change the password" is the correct action, but "Oh well" is almost as good in your case.
3075 [21:55:04] <jhutchins_wk> carp: Someone would have to get access to the system and be able to read the .history file in your $HOME, which would suggest they didn't need your password anyway.
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3095 [22:04:15] <carmelo11> sensors | egrep "temp1|temp2|temp3" | cut -c 16-19 | tr '\r' '\t' >> temp.txt
3096 [22:04:52] <carmelo11> ops I wrong
3097 [22:04:59] <carmelo11> sensors | egrep "temp1|temp2|temp3" | cut -c 16-19 | tr '\n' '\t' >> temp.txt
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3100 [22:05:19] <carmelo11> echo -e "\r" >> temp.txt
3101 [22:05:33] <carmelo11> I have to write to a file, the following column values, each value must be separated from a tab. The code works the problem is that at the end of temp3 is printed a tab and also every time I run the code I also run "echo ..."
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3103 [22:05:54] <abrotman> carmelo11: use sed, trim off the last one
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3107 [22:06:47] <greycat> Why are you appending a carriage return + newline to the file?
3108 [22:07:00] <carmelo11> abrotman Then the code as it would be?
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3110 [22:07:23] <greycat> Are you sending the file to a Windows system?
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3112 [22:08:14] <carmelo11> greycat no I use debian
3113 [22:08:19] <greycat> Why are you appending a carriage return + newline to the file?
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3115 [22:09:15] <carmelo11> greycat Because otherwise I write more than three values in the same column
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3118 [22:09:54] <greycat> mapfile -t a < <(sensors | grep 'temp[123]' | cut -c16-19); IFS=$'\t'; echo "${a[*]}"; unset IFS
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3120 [22:10:25] <greycat> I will just assume your answer was "Because I don't know what the hell I'm doing." Because \r is useless.
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3124 [22:11:27] <carmelo11> The correct output must be: 40.0 tab 45.0 tab 55.0 new line
3125 [22:12:37] <greycat> Then use mine, not yours.
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3128 [22:12:53] <greycat> Yours was 40.0 tab 45.0 tab 55.0 tab carriage return new line
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3130 [22:13:30] <Spec> greycat: wow
3131 [22:13:53] <Spec> mapfile instead of awk looks so grand
3132 [22:14:10] <carmelo11> Yes, my is: 40.0 tab 45.0 tab 55.0 tab carriage return new line
3133 [22:14:55] <Hiro1> is anyone here familiar with debian cluster environments?
3134 [22:15:15] <abrotman> greycat: you're going to break him :)
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3137 [22:16:12] <carmelo11> greycat I would avoid using IFS and mapfile, something simpler and easier to read
3138 [22:16:22] <greycat> Spec: Could probably be improved more but I'd have to see the actual output of "sensors", so it wasn't worthwhile.
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3140 [22:16:40] <greycat> carmelo11: Make it correct first. THEN make it elegant.
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3142 [22:17:18] <greycat> It is absolutely useless to write a bunch of elegant code that is wrong.
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3146 [22:19:46] <Spec> greycat: i've never seen mapfile before :)
3147 [22:19:48] <carmelo11> greycat But with sed you can do something?
3148 [22:19:54] <Spec> but it's a builtin so that's +1
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3158 [22:23:42] <greycat> Spec: replaced-url
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3166 [22:26:25] <Spec> greycat: i have used some of these things, but have always used awk when mapfile obviously would have worked better even
3167 [22:26:43] <Spec> so thanks :)
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