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1 [00:00:13] <guest2338> Specialist: # blkdiscard /dev/sdX . WARNING: read everything before doing anything! This will overwrite your whole ssd.
2 [00:00:29] <tyoiexd> any ideas about changing font/color for text only system before boot?\
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13 [00:03:17] <fire_xyz_com> hi guys, is there a way to play sounds via micro ? E.g from firefox IVONA to discord channel
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26 [00:08:37] <jelly> centurion18, if /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules does not exist on your system, your network interface names will change in stretch
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28 [00:09:05] <jelly> centurion18, pastebin the output of "ip l"
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33 [00:10:07] <jelly> centurion18, and look for device renamal in dmesg (something like dmesg|grep -A10 -B10 eth)
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38 [00:11:40] <guest2338> Specialist: You're welcome.
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49 [00:15:35] <Specialist> guest2338: thx!
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53 [00:16:26] <guest2338> Specialist: :)
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64 [00:19:26] <jrmu> is there a prebuilt binary for ath9k_htc firmware in debian? I'm compiling it at the moment as suggested in replaced-url
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84 [00:27:13] <Brigo_> jrmu, there is a firmware-atheros package in non-free. Maybe it has the firmware.
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93 [00:29:27] <jrmu> Brigo_: thanks. You might be right. I'm trying to avoid proprietary firmware for now, so I'll test out compiling first
94 [00:29:47] <jrmu> Brigo_: I'm just surprised why debian doesn't provide a dpkg for the open firmware. I would have thought they would included the firmware by default with the OS, given that there are no licensing issues
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102 [00:31:04] <Brigo_> jrmu, i think it does
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105 [00:31:29] <jrmu> to clarify: why they wouldn't separate the open firmware from the propretiary parts
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109 [00:33:31] <jrmu> Brigo: Do you mean to say, debian separates the proprietary firmware binaries from the open firmware binaries for firmware-atheros?
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114 [00:34:19] <Brigo> jrmu, not really sure, but there is a firmware-linux-free package, for example
115 [00:34:50] <jrmu> replaced-url
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117 [00:35:10] <Brigo> jrmu, as i said, i am not sure.
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123 [00:37:50] <gert_> is there anyway I can tell debian to use intel drivers/rendering while I have my graphics card plugged in?
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125 [00:37:56] <jrmu> Brigo Thanks anyway (although I think you are offline now)
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128 [00:38:11] <guest2338> How can I autohide the top menubar in eye-of-gnome, using cinnamon DE? Adding extra plugins doesn't seem to work.
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136 [00:44:51] <centurion18> is there any other session manager than SDDM for KDE? this is simply ugly
137 [00:45:09] <centurion18> for debian stretch
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139 [00:45:34] <centurion18> where is KDM?
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146 [00:47:10] <centurion18> is there at least a better theme for it?
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152 [00:50:33] <phogg> centurion18: looks like it uses qml, so theming should be a thing
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198 [01:16:26] <galex-713> Hi
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202 [01:17:00] <galex-713> What is the command that when you run it you have a white window that opens and everything you type everywhere get the xevent scanned and printed on terminal?
203 [01:17:25] <sonOfRa> xev
204 [01:17:45] <galex-713> oh yeaaah
205 [01:18:05] <galex-713> juste found it alone, by verbalizing the “xevent” that was on the end of my tongue ><
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207 [01:18:31] <galex-713> argh, hate when vocal memory do that and that cmd you need stays at the end of the tongue
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265 [01:44:15] <wjtaylor> I think ipv6 is causing me issues. Even with IP turned off in the network manager, I still get an address. Is there a way to disable it?
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267 [01:45:44] <__marioxcc> Hello.
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269 [01:46:15] <__marioxcc> I intend to install Debian using the "hd-media" method. I rebooted, while having the CD ISO in a LVM LV that I intend to preserve during installation.
270 [01:46:22] <__marioxcc> However, the installer can't find it. Why?
271 [01:46:35] <__marioxcc> Are the "hd-media" not LVM-capable?
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312 [02:03:05] <DPini> Just moved all files with rsync form an ext3 partitions to an ext4. Size is 8GB lower. Block size is the same. Is that normal?
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329 [02:19:02] <Learnerwind> Hey. I am trying to boot from a usb stick but mint wont boot. I keeps restarting. Could someone help me?
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346 [02:28:55] <peterrooney> !based on debian
347 [02:28:55] <dpkg> Your distribution may be based on and have software in common with Debian, but it is not Debian. We don't and cannot know what changes were made by your distribution (compare replaced-url
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446 [03:15:33] <wjtaylor> Anyone having issues with IPv4 settings dropping in deb 9?
447 [03:15:49] <wjtaylor> usually after about an hour of refreshing the adapter...
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450 [03:17:55] <bdonnahue> hey guys, trying to install iproute2 on 7.8
451 [03:18:04] <bdonnahue> but the apd-get install failes
452 [03:18:08] <bdonnahue> can anyone help me out
453 [03:19:34] <bdonnahue> replaced-url
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492 [03:39:12] <guest2338> How can I autohide the top menubar in eye-of-gnome, using cinnamon DE? Adding the eog-plugins package doesn't seem to work.
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514 [03:49:58] <jmcnaught> bdonnahue: when you install packages from backports you need to set a target, like "apt-get -t wheezy-backports install iproute2"
515 [03:50:21] <bdonnahue> jmcnaught, thanks that did the trick. I shouldhave posted back earlier
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518 [03:51:13] <jmcnaught> bdonnahue: should probably start thinking about upgrading to jessie, then stretch
519 [03:51:44] <bdonnahue> yea, the only reason im looking into this is because cloudstack uses 7.8 as the system vm template
520 [03:51:55] <bdonnahue> i will try to talk to the guys to get them to upgrade
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539 [04:02:42] <bdonnahue> jmcnaught, Im having a strange issue with packets dropping on a wget
540 [04:02:57] <bdonnahue> do you have any networking experience? im stuck debugging
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651 [04:37:48] <deego> To install a package from backports, I used to do things like apt-get -t jessie-backports .. But, it doesn't like -t jessie-backports
652 [04:38:38] <deego> oh, i had misspeled it
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701 [05:10:06] <jim> trying to help someone with a 300g ext4 filesystem in a 310g partition... what's the math to determine the exact size of the enclosed filesystem?
702 [05:10:52] <jim> gonegirl, I think I have that movie
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743 [05:37:50] <soulspire> Had some bluetooth issues with firmware and driver, but now it's a range issue, if I turn my head it loses connection and it skips and stutters and out of sink... never happened on Debian 8 and works great on my Chromebook.
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746 [05:39:06] <soulspire> This is getting ridiculous, yes I am using Debian but basic comon things like bluetooth should just work in 2017, my range is 3 feet? really?
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748 [05:40:21] <soulspire> well, unless I turn my head lol then I lose connection and worse when I type it has some kind of high pitched beep
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751 [05:41:36] <soulspire> When I pause my video it keep streaming, the lag is so slow after this happens and only when using wireless headset. Very weird.
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824 [06:24:48] <Canucktux> yay! thunderbirb got updated, things should work now!
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828 [06:26:22] <elricsfate> Is this a good place to ask about debconf and the like?
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830 [06:26:36] <elricsfate> I'm trying to reconfigure something non-interactively but I'm having issues
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836 [06:28:02] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: what's the issue?
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843 [06:30:22] <elricsfate> One moment let me make a pastebin
844 [06:30:55] <elricsfate> replaced-url
845 [06:30:58] <elricsfate> jmcnaught
846 [06:31:12] <elricsfate> From what I can tell, this is not accepting the values
847 [06:31:54] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: is that Ansible?
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849 [06:31:57] <elricsfate> When I check the configs that are written they are the default values
850 [06:32:00] <elricsfate> Yes jmcnaught
851 [06:32:16] <elricsfate> I've tried running manually as well, no avail. I don't think it's an ansible related issue
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853 [06:32:34] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: there is a debconf module you don't need to use shell module for this: replaced-url
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855 [06:33:37] <elricsfate> sweet :D
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858 [06:34:03] <elricsfate> Right above that I have # TODO: understand this better so I can remove shell.
859 [06:34:05] <elricsfate> LOL
860 [06:34:12] <elricsfate> Had a feeling there had to be a debconf module
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866 [06:35:49] <elricsfate> Would running in this debug help provide you with more useful info jmcnaught ?
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869 [06:35:53] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: also is i2p.debconf output from debconf-get-selections? My workflow is something like install package manually, dpkg-reconfigure it a couple times maybe, then I use output from debconf-get-selections to make my "i2p.debconf" file
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877 [06:37:12] <elricsfate> replaced-url
878 [06:37:25] <elricsfate> jmcnaught That is correct
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880 [06:37:38] <elricsfate> I configured it manually and then checked the output with get-selections
881 [06:37:51] <elricsfate> There is the output showing that it's properly configured and then the output of reconfigure in debug
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883 [06:38:37] <elricsfate> It almost looks like it sets it back to default when I reconfigure
884 [06:39:06] <elricsfate> jmcnaught:
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887 [06:40:17] <elricsfate> Not sure what to do about that?
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893 [06:41:21] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: is i2pmeupbro the ansible target or the system where you prepared the debconf selections file?
894 [06:41:27] <elricsfate> Both
895 [06:42:13] <elricsfate> Here is the full ansible file
896 [06:42:53] <elricsfate> replaced-url
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900 [06:44:08] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: why not set the debconf selections before you install the package?
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903 [06:44:22] <elricsfate> jmcnaught Let me give that a go
904 [06:44:41] <elricsfate> I've never really played around with configuring things in this manner so I wasn't sure of best practice
905 [06:45:18] <Canucktux> yay,it's confirmed, thunderbirb is perfect now
906 [06:45:44] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: it's also called "preseeding". you can preseed the debian-installer the same way (all of the questions in the d-i are debconf) for automated installs
907 [06:46:03] <jmcnaught> Canucktux: is that different from thunderbird or just a typo?
908 [06:46:11] <Canucktux> typo
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913 [06:48:12] <jmcnaught> Canucktux: yeah thunderbird is great. there are some extensions for it that you can install via Debian packages, like enigmail, xul-ext-sieve
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916 [06:49:06] <Daftpunk> jmcnaught, better than evolution?
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919 [06:49:44] <jmcnaught> evolution is really good too, it's personal preference
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921 [06:49:55] <David_Hedlund> how can I check the GPU temperature from the terminal?
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928 [06:51:16] <David_Hedlund> I found it: sensors
929 [06:51:20] <Agafnd> hey, I inserted a blank DVD into the drive, and nothing can detect it
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931 [06:51:29] <Agafnd> is there something I can do or is it just a bad disc
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933 [06:52:16] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: what are some of the things that didn't detect it? what did you try
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935 [06:52:25] <Agafnd> brasero, xfburn
936 [06:52:31] <Agafnd> also it's not mounted, I don't think
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941 [06:52:57] <Agafnd> but stuff usually automounts, which leads me to believe it may be faulty
942 [06:53:12] <jmcnaught> what would there be to mount if it is blank?
943 [06:53:18] <Agafnd> ...good point
944 [06:53:27] <elricsfate> jmcnaught THanks. let me do this on a fresh install. I'm getting complaints when attempting to handle this via an uninstall and reinstall of i2p
945 [06:53:44] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: did you purge the package?
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947 [06:54:51] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: I haven't burned a disc in a long time. Did you try to start a burning process and programs said "no blank disc", or did you just insert a blank disc and then nothing happened?
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951 [06:56:07] <Agafnd> I insert a disc, then open xfburn, and it says "no burners are currently available"
952 [06:56:54] <elricsfate> jmcnaught :D
953 [06:56:57] <elricsfate> No! :P
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961 [07:01:03] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: next time please go do #ubuntu if you are using Ubuntu, this channel is supposed to be only for Debian support (not derivatives)
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965 [07:02:54] <Agafnd> xfburn: replaced-url
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967 [07:03:34] <elricsfate> jmcnaught: It was my understanding that debconf and the like were upstream from Ubuntu
968 [07:03:37] <elricsfate> Only reason I came here
969 [07:04:04] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: it's okay, people make this mistake frequently and now you know ☺
970 [07:04:25] <elricsfate> jmcnaught: And knowing is half the battle :)
971 [07:04:34] <elricsfate> Is there a channel just for debconf and the like?
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973 [07:04:42] <elricsfate> The apt package manager stuff
974 [07:05:34] <jmcnaught> Agafnd: are there message in the output of "dmesg" after you insert the blank disc? Do other (not blank) discs work? Are you sure it's actually a burner?
975 [07:05:47] <elricsfate> On the flip side that worked perfectly jmcnaught
976 [07:05:51] <elricsfate> Thank you!
977 [07:06:19] <jmcnaught> cheers. give Debian a try some time!
978 [07:06:32] <Agafnd> jmcnaught: you know what, I have only ever read discs from that drive
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980 [07:06:44] <elricsfate> jmcnaught: For sure. I don't see Debian a lot professionally so most of the time I'm working with either CentOS or Ubuntu
981 [07:07:03] <elricsfate> jmcnaught: Why would one choose Debian over Ubuntu?
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983 [07:09:03] <jmcnaught> elricsfate: they are really similar and there is a lot of collaboration between the two and shared developers. The two projects have different policies, length and scope of security support is a big one. However we try to keep this channel primarily for support. People are welcome to compare distros in #debian-offtopic
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985 [07:09:34] <klys> elricsfate, debian is a stable operating system that doesn't make sacrifices to get eg. desktop software working.
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991 [07:12:09] <elricsfate> jmcnaught 10/4, thanks
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993 [07:13:02] <joooookim> Personally I use ubuntu derivatives as desktop but prefer debian over anything for server usage.
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1039 [07:39:42] <LIERO_> nohup ssh -R 123:1.2.3.4:123 root@6.7.8.9
1040 [07:39:54] <LIERO_> ssh -R 123:1.2.3.4:123 root@6.7.8.9 &
1041 [07:40:06] <LIERO_> tmux; ssh -R 123:1.2.3.4:123 root@6.7.8.9
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1044 [07:40:30] <LIERO_> all three of these fail to keep the ssh tunnel alive after I close PuTTY
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1072 [07:52:02] <AlexLikeRock> hi
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1074 [07:52:20] <zerocool> hello there
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1076 [07:52:59] <AlexLikeRock> hi
1077 [07:53:04] <cheapie> hi
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1079 [07:53:23] <AlexLikeRock> itry to configure DHCP server
1080 [07:53:28] <AlexLikeRock> but i have fail
1081 [07:53:55] <AlexLikeRock> with this tutorial replaced-url
1082 [07:53:55] <AlexLikeRock>
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1084 [07:54:43] <cheapie> I've never had any luck with hostapd.... what did it do when you tried?
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1086 [07:55:03] <AlexLikeRock> lol
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1092 [07:56:24] <AlexLikeRock> /etc/init.d/isc-dhcp-server restart
1093 [07:56:32] <AlexLikeRock> [FAIL] Starting ISC DHCPv4 server: dhcpd[....] check syslog for diagnostics. ... failed!
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1096 [07:57:10] <cheapie> Check the logs, if you can find them.
1097 [07:57:16] <cheapie> I can't remember for sure where it puts them.
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1100 [07:57:38] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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1102 [07:57:45] <AlexLikeRock> they are
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1106 [07:58:38] <AlexLikeRock> Not configured to listen on any interfaces!
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1110 [07:59:05] <cheapie> Did you edit the configuration to match your network?
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1114 [07:59:50] <AlexLikeRock> yes
1115 [08:00:00] <cheapie> You'll probably need to change the subnet specified, as well as the range of IP addresses that isc-dhcp-server will offer.
1116 [08:00:23] <AlexLikeRock> whitch one ?
1117 [08:00:30] <AlexLikeRock> example ??
1118 [08:00:56] <cheapie> I'm not sure if that would give that error, though, since it looks like they're using NAT, so it might not matter...
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1123 [08:01:36] <cheapie> I'm thinking that maybe that guide is for an old version of isc-dhcp-server or something (it is about 6 years old). Try finding a newer one, maybe?
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1126 [08:02:50] <AlexLikeRock> yes , its old, but, must have a "logic to explaine , the CAUSE
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1129 [08:03:09] <AlexLikeRock> replaced-url
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1131 [08:03:28] <cheapie> You may have better luck in linux or networking, as I don't think this is a Debian-specific issue.
1132 [08:03:48] <AlexLikeRock> YEAH, tanks
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1134 [08:04:07] <cheapie> And I'm out of ideas at this point, so *shrug*.
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1277 [09:14:10] <Lope> Howcome my colo host has a cabinet that's 1200mm deep but I can't find any chassis that's 1000mm deep? What's the deepest common size of server chassis? Most of the ones I see are around 530mm or 25" etc.
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1295 [09:21:57] <jolt> Lope: You usually put other stuff at the other end, like switches, KVM's or whatnot. The rails on the box are usually adjustable for any depth
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1300 [09:24:10] <wyoung> hai gang
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1306 [09:29:04] <Lope> jolt: do you have experience with colo?
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1309 [09:29:26] <jolt> Lope: Sure, some
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1311 [09:29:38] <Lope> jolt: I want to rent 22U on a 19" rack
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1313 [09:29:46] <jolt> Lope: Should we take this in private since I assume it's not about Debian?
1314 [09:29:56] <Lope> At the moment all I have is 5 servers in standard desktop cases.
1315 [09:29:59] <wyoung> Lope: $5
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1317 [09:30:12] <Lope> jolt ok sure thanks !
1318 [09:30:17] <wyoung> 0% SLA though
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1343 [09:42:15] <vlt> Hello. I want to use another machine's block device via network. Which options do I have?
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1345 [09:42:41] <wyoung> NFS
1346 [09:42:48] <rudi_s> vlt: nbd + vpn (if you want to protect the traffic)
1347 [09:42:53] <vlt> wyoung: For block devices?
1348 [09:42:54] <jolt> vlt: loads and loads. I typically end up via NFS. But if you want to be fancy and modern you could use CEPH
1349 [09:43:12] <rudi_s> Or sshfs.
1350 [09:43:16] <wyoung> NFS <3
1351 [09:43:41] <vlt> Ok, I didn't know NFS could be used for block devices, too.
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1354 [09:44:07] <vlt> Thank you!
1355 [09:44:29] <rudi_s> How would NFS for block devices work?
1356 [09:44:45] <wyoung> vlt: NFS is the shit
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1358 [09:45:06] <wyoung> version 4 is good
1359 [09:45:08] <jolt> rudi_s: It wouldn't, you would need to export them via NFS. But it would be standard and no hack
1360 [09:45:29] <wyoung> AFS probably has it too
1361 [09:45:30] <vlt> wyoung: Can you paste an example line for /etc/exports and for on the client side?
1362 [09:45:33] <wyoung> CIFS doesnt
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1364 [09:45:59] <vlt> Is iscsi still a thing?
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1369 [09:46:18] <wyoung> vlt: you put in the dev option and you probably need root unless you want to do some permission / devfs stuff
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1371 [09:46:26] <laal> hi are there backports for strettch available already?
1372 [09:46:27] <jolt> iscsi is still a thing. But also makes stuff a bit more complex.
1373 [09:46:34] <wyoung> vlt: squashroot even
1374 [09:46:41] <vlt> jolt: Ok.
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1376 [09:48:16] <rudi_s> jolt: I'm just curious how access on the other side works. I've only used NFS to mount file systems. How would I access the exported block device on the clients?
1377 [09:48:41] <jolt> rudi_s: That is what we are saying.
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1380 [09:49:13] <rudi_s> jolt: I'm sorry, but what are you saying?
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1382 [09:49:35] <rudi_s> (Sorry for being confused, but I don't get what you're trying to say.)
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1387 [09:51:36] <jolt> rudi_s: I'm not sure what the others are saying. But I'm saying that you probably don't want to share a raw block device, you want to share the filesystem over NFS, because the overhead and complexity is as low as it can be. But if you want to _really_ share a block device, then you would probably want iscsi (depends on the use-case, which we don't know), or nbd or something else
1388 [09:52:13] <rudi_s> Thanks, that makes sense to me.
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1412 [10:01:49] <vlt> jolt: What?! Didn’t you say you usually end up using NFS?
1413 [10:02:48] <vlt> wyoung: What do I have to do on the client side?
1414 [10:03:06] <wyoung> just mount it
1415 [10:03:18] <vlt> wyoung: I don't want to mount it.
1416 [10:03:25] <vlt> I want to use the block device.
1417 [10:03:41] <wyoung> ok, use it then
1418 [10:03:45] <vlt> How do I let the block device appear somewhere in the client's / tree?
1419 [10:03:57] <vlt> /dev/mapper for ecample?
1420 [10:03:59] <vlt> x
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1423 [10:04:03] <jelly> vlt, by using the nbd/drbd/iscsi client
1424 [10:04:07] <wyoung> mount the NFS then access it from within the mounted dir
1425 [10:04:16] <jelly> wyoung, that won't work
1426 [10:04:21] <wyoung> oh noes
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1428 [10:05:02] <vlt> I think I really need to see an example :D
1429 [10:05:04] <jelly> they absolutely have to use some block device protocol
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1431 [10:06:25] <vlt> wyoung: Can you show one, please?
1432 [10:06:42] <jelly> vlt, you read the docs and pick a technology. Then configure iscsi target (or nbd server, or whatever) on the source, then iscsi initiator (or nbd client, or whatever) on the destination, when you configure it properly a new block device will appear on the client.
1433 [10:07:51] <wyoung> vlt: I am going fishing now
1434 [10:07:58] <vlt> jelly: Thank you! :-)
1435 [10:08:11] <vlt> wyoung: Have fun!
1436 [10:08:36] <wyoung> vlt: trout fishing :D
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1743 [11:32:31] <sewerrat> Hey, could anyone send me a paste with minidlna.conf? accidentally deleted mine.
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1746 [11:35:07] <petemc> sewerrat: there may be a copy in /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/
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1749 [11:35:56] <sewerrat> Thanks, but nothing there.
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1752 [11:36:21] <jelly> you can always purge and install the package anew
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1754 [11:36:25] <jelly> or
1755 [11:36:27] <jelly> !confmiss
1756 [11:36:28] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
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1762 [11:37:23] <jelly> if said file is managed by the package (it might not be, or might be generated at install time)
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1768 [11:38:38] <sewerrat> Thanks, i will give it a try.
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1772 [11:39:21] <sewerrat> And that worked great, how did i not think of that... Thanks a ton!
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1779 [11:39:42] <wyoung> !ubuntu
1780 [11:39:43] <dpkg> Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian. Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu on chat.freenode.net instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian> and <ubuntuirc>.
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1783 [11:40:05] <wyoung> haha, ubuntu is less helpful, I agree to that :)
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1785 [11:40:15] <woopdido> I have troubles getting a bridge working, I want to configure a bridge for VMs but networking entierly stops working when I restart networking: replaced-url
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1787 [11:40:52] <sewerrat> It is indeed, I mixed up the channels, working from a debian pc on a local ubuntu pc lol.
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1802 [11:43:47] <wyoung> woopdido: yes, if you restart the network interface it may drop the interface from the bridge
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1804 [11:43:59] <wyoung> use brctl show and brctl addif to assist
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1806 [11:44:33] <Heckler> hello
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1808 [11:44:48] <wyoung> hai Heckler !
1809 [11:44:50] <Heckler> im just new to kali and ive deleted something by using bleachbit
1810 [11:44:57] <wyoung> what is kali?
1811 [11:45:02] <well_laid_lawn> !kali
1812 [11:45:02] <dpkg> Kali Linux (replaced-url
1813 [11:45:03] <woopdido> wyoung, would you say that the routing table is correct after I have restrated networking?
1814 [11:45:07] <wyoung> what is bleachbit?
1815 [11:45:19] <Heckler> my login is not the same beautiful as the original
1816 [11:45:21] <wyoung> woopdido: you tell me :) I don't have root to your 'puter
1817 [11:45:33] <woopdido> the paste contains the routing table though
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1820 [11:46:17] <Heckler> wait ill give u the screenshot if i get back
1821 [11:46:57] <wyoung> woopdido: I am going out for dinner now
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1823 [11:46:58] <petn-randall> Heckler: You should join the right channel, this one is for Debian support.
1824 [11:47:05] <woopdido> wyoung, alright, thanks anyway :)
1825 [11:47:13] <wyoung> I tried to fish trout but I didn't get a bite :(
1826 [11:47:16] <wyoung> now I have to eat out
1827 [11:47:21] <woopdido> :(
1828 [11:47:29] <petemc> no need to pout
1829 [11:47:52] <wyoung> ;(
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1841 [11:52:35] <woopdido> anyone else that can help me figure out why my bridge isn't working?
1842 [11:52:49] <FinalX> a/w 22
1843 [11:52:51] <FinalX> oops
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1978 [12:45:13] <no_gravity> What's the best way to compress a folder full of text files these days?
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1980 [12:45:23] <no_gravity> Something like this? zip -9 -r mydir.zip mydir
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1987 [12:47:14] <jelly> no_gravity, what's best for you? fastest? least space? most portable (to windows or macos)?
1988 [12:47:19] <jelly> !best
1989 [12:47:20] <dpkg> Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis!
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1993 [12:48:21] <jelly> that zip command will work, and is a good option if you want to unpack on windows later
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1995 [12:48:28] <no_gravity> jelly: Future proof, small, needs to work like a directory under Gnome.
1996 [12:48:36] <forcerecon> use 7-zip
1997 [12:48:53] <babilen> no_gravity: I like pigz, pxz, ... and other parallelised tools
1998 [12:49:01] <no_gravity> forcerecon: What is better about 7-zip then zip?
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2007 [12:51:23] <jolt> no_gravity: 7-zip is from this century, so better algorithms
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2010 [12:51:29] <no_gravity> Hmm.. I tried "zip -9 -r mydir.zip mydir" and it put a directory "mydir" into the zip. Any ideas how to have the files in the zip directly?
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2012 [12:51:47] <jolt> no_gravity: add a slash to the end of mydir/
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2014 [12:51:59] <forcerecon> no_gravity: I am really not sure what your question is.. download 7zip and install it and use it and then install others as well test them out and see what works best for you. It compresses things.. I really don't care how, it just does it
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2016 [12:52:17] <gbds3> Hey guys! Has anybody encountered that bug in Synaptic where after a package dowload it says that it was done unsandboxed as root because of failing to get access to some file?
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2019 [12:52:48] <Haohmaru> gbds3, i get that on a number of machines where i installed debian
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2024 [12:53:32] <babilen> no_gravity: Look into the parallelised ones if you care about compression time and if you have multiple cores
2025 [12:53:32] <gbds3> Haohmaru: Can we / Should we do anything aboit it?
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2030 [12:54:09] <Haohmaru> gbds3, no idea, i haven't had time to websearch the error message and see what it really means
2031 [12:54:28] <no_gravity> jolt: Even with the / it creates the directory inside the zip.
2032 [12:54:50] <no_gravity> babilen: compression time is not an issue.
2033 [12:54:54] <jelly> no_gravity, you usually really don't want to put files without a dir in the zip directly
2034 [12:55:32] <jelly> you, or someone else, will not notice, and unpack it someplace where there are already lots of files 6 months from now and make a mess
2035 [12:55:59] <jelly> it's trivially easy to unzip, then mv everything from the subdir into current dir
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2037 [12:56:09] <no_gravity> jelly: You have a point there.
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2041 [12:56:56] <gbds3> Haohmaru: I did a websearch and it was a bit confusing. Looks like the bug was found earlier in April but they claimed to fix it. Or it was similar bug. Anyway I think we need to report it as a bug too, so they fix it quicker.
2042 [12:56:59] <no_gravity> Wow! I tried "tar cJf mydir.tar.xz mydir" and it's less then half the size of the zip!
2043 [12:57:01] <jelly> but if you had real good reason to do that, you'd cd into the directory, and do seomthing like zip -9r ../archive.zip ./
2044 [12:57:04] <carmelo11> I have installed debian 9.1 and when I run sudo apt-get update appears "Ign:2 ...." what is? replaced-url
2045 [12:57:13] <jelly> yes, xz is better than zip.
2046 [12:57:41] <no_gravity> Wouldn't have thought that we can compress text files to less then half of their zipped size already.
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2049 [12:58:07] <no_gravity> I think I will go with that one. Debian seems to support xz out of the box.
2050 [12:58:08] <jelly> carmelo11, apt found some extra files on the remote repo and told you it ignored them. It's all fine.
2051 [12:58:27] <no_gravity> Would you guys agree that xz is future proof?
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2053 [12:58:38] <jelly> it's not going to go away any time soon.
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2056 [12:58:51] <babilen> no_gravity: Why would you not care about compression time? pxz is pretty awesome :)
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2060 [12:59:17] <jelly> pigz has a better name
2061 [12:59:19] <carmelo11> jelly Ign means ignore?
2062 [12:59:33] <jelly> means "found and Ignored" basically
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2064 [12:59:38] <no_gravity> babilen: Why would I? Compression time is less the time it took me to write this line.
2065 [12:59:59] <Haohmaru> gbds3, i got it again just now: "W: Download is performed unsandboxed as root as file '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_sh' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. - pkgAcquire::Run (13: Permission denied)"
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2067 [13:00:09] <babilen> no_gravity: Fair enough, but I don't see why you would intentionally make it slower
2068 [13:00:18] <Haohmaru> it seems it's just a warning, not an error
2069 [13:00:21] <babilen> Up to you though :)
2070 [13:01:31] <no_gravity> babilen: I don't make it slower. I just use tar cJf mydir.tar.xz mydir
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2075 [13:02:09] <gbds3> Haohmaru: and it persists in Debian 9.1, I tried it yesterday on a newly installed system
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2077 [13:02:35] <Haohmaru> yes.. this debian here is 9.1 from netinst
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2079 [13:02:44] <Haohmaru> it also happened on debian 8.8
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2084 [13:04:04] <jelly> Haohmaru, yes, W: denotes a Warning
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2087 [13:04:53] <gbds3> Haohmaru jelly: I wonder if it's just synaptic or apt itself
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2094 [13:05:35] <Haohmaru> is synaptic just a GUI which actually uses the CLI "apt" stuff to do the actual interesting stuff?
2095 [13:05:37] <gbds3> Did you guys get those messages when install packages through aptitude?
2096 [13:05:48] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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2102 [13:06:06] <Haohmaru> i don't think i've ever used aptitude
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2104 [13:06:24] <Haohmaru> i use either synaptic or apt-get (when i know exactly what i want)
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2108 [13:07:55] <forcerecon> I really love nmap.. the people who create it are pretty kool
2109 [13:07:55] <forcerecon> TCP Sequence Prediction: Difficulty=262 (Good luck!)
2110 [13:07:55] <forcerecon> ha!
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2118 [13:09:45] <gbds3> I will try to use sole apt tomorrow to find out if it says something about unsandboxed
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2122 [13:10:43] <babilen> no_gravity: If you use tar you can pass --use-compress-program={pigz,pxz, ...} or -I {pxz,pigz,...} to use the threaded version. I just meant that you are intentionally deciding against using a faster alternative
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2125 [13:11:32] <no_gravity> babilen: I see.
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2131 [13:13:48] <no_gravity> What do you guys think, where will compression ratio for text files be in 10 years? Will we achieve another 50% improvement?
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2136 [13:16:17] <forcerecon> I personally hope that in 10 years I have a card reader in my skull. EOT...
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2140 [13:17:03] * Haohmaru sees it and puts an infected sd card..
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2143 [13:17:30] <Haohmaru> and that's how zombies will happen
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2150 [13:19:27] <p0g0> cards, hopefully, will have gone the way of the Dodo in 10 years. You'd hope for some RNA sequenced phage that synthesiszed memory directly in neurons.
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2152 [13:19:54] <Haohmaru> that's gonna be soooo lossy
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2154 [13:20:07] <p0g0> But that might have some downsides, like who wrote the phage.
2155 [13:20:08] <Haohmaru> and subject to interpretation
2156 [13:20:30] <Haohmaru> like signed bool
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2160 [13:22:02] <sonOfRa> no_gravity: unlikely. The maximum "compressibility" of a piece of data is its entropy
2161 [13:22:10] <BluesKaj> gonna need interpreters parsers for each individual's neuron sources :-0
2162 [13:22:23] <sonOfRa> This is effectively a physical limit on how much you can compress a piece of data without losing information
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2165 [13:22:38] <sonOfRa> Lossy compression, sure. You can compress everything down to 1 bit. That's not useful, though :P
2166 [13:23:17] <victorqueiroz> Any chance to use an old kernel with debian sid?
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2170 [13:24:06] <no_gravity> sonOfRa: I doubt that there is something like a measurable "entropy" in a file.
2171 [13:24:21] <Haohmaru> sonOfRa, horation from CSI miami can extrapolate as much as he wants (and even more) from a single pixel
2172 [13:24:41] <Haohmaru> * horatio
2173 [13:24:55] <no_gravity> sonOfRa: The question is how well one can target the average text file. You could compress all of wikipedia into a single bit with the right compressor.
2174 [13:25:08] <sonOfRa> no_gravity: well, you're simply wrong as a matter of fact. replaced-url
2175 [13:25:27] <sonOfRa> no_gravity: no, you can't. Well, you can *compress*, but you cannot decompress.
2176 [13:25:33] <no_gravity> sonOfRa: No, you are wrong as a matter of fact!
2177 [13:25:39] <no_gravity> Typical IRC converstation :)
2178 [13:26:04] <sonOfRa> no_gravity: do you understand the implication of what would happen if you were RIGHT?
2179 [13:26:16] <sonOfRa> I could simply take a bit and decompress it into the world formula with the same decompressor.
2180 [13:26:23] <FinalX> truncate -s0 original.tar && mv original.tar{,.ultimatezip}
2181 [13:26:24] <BluesKaj> wrong is the "wrong" word .mistaken is better
2182 [13:26:32] <Hoolootwo> well, you could do it with a simple edge case demonstration compressor
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2185 [13:27:30] <Hoolootwo> such as a compressor like "is a single 1 bit" if it is wikipedia and is "0 concatenated with contents" if it is not
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2188 [13:28:17] <no_gravity> Hoolootwo: Exactly.
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2190 [13:28:19] <sonOfRa> Hoolootwo: well, but that is useless.
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2193 [13:28:28] <Hoolootwo> I agree with both
2194 [13:28:44] <sonOfRa> You cannot build a *general* compression function that reduces *all inputs*
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2196 [13:28:58] <no_gravity> sonOfRa: Correct
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2198 [13:29:10] <Haohmaru> if the bit is 1 - the decompressor outputs the contents of wikipedia, if it's 0 it segfaults
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2200 [13:29:47] <Haohmaru> the decompressor would be several thousand jigabytes itself
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2214 [13:36:24] <Haohmaru> is there some suitable place to put an executable so i can run it from terminal without specifying the full path to it?
2215 [13:36:31] <Haohmaru> and i mean, as a normal user
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2220 [13:37:30] <victorqueiroz> Any chance to use an old kernel with debian sid?]
2221 [13:37:56] <tremolo> Haohmaru: Sure. Anywhere in your PATH. You can make a ~/bin directory and add it to your PATH.
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2226 [13:39:37] <sekil> hello
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2233 [13:42:34] <Haohmaru> grr it is slightly worrying when the first search results are almost always from askubuntu >:/
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2258 [13:52:34] <cruncher> Haohmaru, try prepending the word "debian" in your search..
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2262 [13:53:52] <Haohmaru> what helps more is adding "-ubuntu* ;P~
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2265 [13:55:12] <cruncher> Haohmaru, that would only eliminate ubuntu from the results, as i understand you want debian results first, so your solution would still show other distros
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2301 [14:10:38] <sekil> does debian support NFS as a proto for PXE install for packages etc?
2302 [14:10:54] <victorqueiroz> Any chance to use an old kernel with debian sid?
2303 [14:10:56] <sekil> or I should configure a local mirror as a package storage
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2310 [14:13:37] <z8z> I'm unable to update my debian after clean installation from 9.1.0 DVD... some pgp key problem happening
2311 [14:13:45] <z8z> gpg
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2329 [14:20:14] <jaami> my debian wont open no window for example if i click wifi-settings then there will be no GUI opened. even settings window does not open. the progress circle shows animation but nothing is shown. what happened to all GUI windows?
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2336 [14:21:31] <jaami> do need to reinstall debian?
2337 [14:21:40] <jaami> do i***
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2339 [14:21:49] <victorqueiroz> jaami: Do you have a picture?
2340 [14:21:59] <jaami> yes
2341 [14:22:08] <victorqueiroz> Show us
2342 [14:22:22] <jaami> what you think, i ammale
2343 [14:22:28] <jaami> male***
2344 [14:22:38] <jaami> lol
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2346 [14:23:27] <jaami> victorqueiroz , now you wont respond. because you asked what you wanted to ask
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2349 [14:24:46] <jaami> hello operators, is it ok for people to ask for pictures on debian channel?
2350 [14:25:13] <cruncher> jaami, i dont think he asked for a picture of yourself
2351 [14:25:20] <jaami> lol
2352 [14:25:35] <jaami> i am sorry, i missed the point
2353 [14:25:48] <jaami> but i got the joke
2354 [14:25:55] <victorqueiroz> ahhahahahahahhahahhaa]
2355 [14:26:29] <Haohmaru> nekkid pics plz
2356 [14:26:33] <jaami> please help me with GUI problem , no GUI window show up when i click icon,
2357 [14:27:01] <Haohmaru> he asked if you have a screenshot so we can see exactly how bad it looks
2358 [14:27:18] <Haohmaru> which might help diagnose the problem
2359 [14:27:45] <victorqueiroz> I need a picture of this bug you're experiencing
2360 [14:27:50] <cruncher> well, i dont think that would help anyway, if you click something but nothing happens, what is there to see...
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2362 [14:28:10] <Haohmaru> cruncher, who knows
2363 [14:28:18] <jaami> cruncher , exactly there is no use of any screenshot
2364 [14:28:28] <cruncher> who knows? ywhat you want to diagnose from a circle turning?
2365 [14:28:42] <jaami> what to capture, just a animated circle?
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2367 [14:28:59] <cruncher> jaami, did you check your logs for some errors? you could have any kind of error
2368 [14:29:08] <Haohmaru> forget what i said
2369 [14:29:20] <jaami> cruncher , is there
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2371 [14:29:27] <cruncher> Haohmaru, no offense intended, but i really dont think int his case a screenshot would help
2372 [14:30:02] <Haohmaru> cruncher, i never said i want a screenshot
2373 [14:30:15] <Haohmaru> nor that i can use such screenshot to diagnose anything
2374 [14:30:53] <jaami> cruncher , is it possible that if i use update or upgrade and whole system is checked for missing or corrupt files and replaced automatically. instead of looking into reason, i think restore of system or recover of debian is possible?
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2377 [14:31:56] <jaami> Haohmaru , i dont mind your jokes. nice joke btw.
2378 [14:32:34] <jaami> is it possible to restore debian while its running instead of re install?
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2380 [14:33:33] <cruncher> jaami, if by "restore" you mean fix, yes, it should be possible. But as i said, you have to find the error first
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2385 [14:35:36] <jaami> cruncher , I understand and agree with that, but really, i use debian for vbox and nothing else. for me re install is no problem. but you are right, if i cannot find reason for this issue, i may encounter same issue again
2386 [14:36:33] <jaami> i remember, i removed every file that had mozila in its name, and after that day i see the issue
2387 [14:37:00] <jaami> also i removed every file that had webkit in its name
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2390 [14:38:05] <jaami> actually, i wanted to get rid of firefox and neither i want any web browser on debian that is why i removed those files
2391 [14:38:37] <cruncher> jaami, well, there you have it. And removing files on the whols system with an specific name is not the way of unsintalling something (this aint windows ;-))
2392 [14:38:38] <Haohmaru> you.. like.. went into the system folders and erased a bunch of files?
2393 [14:38:40] <jaami> unfortunately, i feel insecure using debian
2394 [14:39:00] <Haohmaru> pull the internet cable out
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2396 [14:39:34] <jaami> yes, i erased all files that had mozilla and webkit in it.
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2398 [14:40:07] <Haohmaru> is that eastern health care?
2399 [14:40:16] <victorqueiroz> I have the following problem. Even with my 8 cores not all busy and only 3GB of RAM in usage, the mouse keep lagging sometimes. Anybody know what could it be?
2400 [14:40:34] <jaami> Haohmaru , nice jike. i use laptop and there is a wifi switch that turns off internet. easy
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2403 [14:41:03] <jaami> lol
2404 [14:41:10] <cruncher> jaami, since you are using vbox, do you a backup/snapshot? if so, just restore, if not, i suggest to install "debsums", then run it, and reinstall the packages that contain the files you deleted
2405 [14:41:16] <cruncher> victorqueiroz, are you using a ssd?
2406 [14:41:23] <victorqueiroz> cruncher: Nop
2407 [14:41:38] <cruncher> victorqueiroz, did you check swap usage?
2408 [14:41:43] <victorqueiroz> 0%
2409 [14:41:44] <guavas> hello everyone. I am trying to install a live persistent encrypted debian on a usb drive, and before going on editing fstab and grub I was wondering if there is a package you know that makes life easier, like a debian-installer that works from OS to pendrive
2410 [14:42:10] <Haohmaru> victorqueiroz, is the mouse pointer in the desktop lagging, or is the mouse response (in a game or something) lagging?
2411 [14:42:26] <Haohmaru> is it lagging or stuttering (as in fps dropping)
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2413 [14:43:15] <victorqueiroz> I'm not sure. All I know is that I'm using a Microsoft Wireless 3500 and when I have a little usage of CPU the mouse lag, the wired keyboard worked fine. But when I have high cpu usage the mouse starts lagging.
2414 [14:43:18] <cruncher> jaami, as it will print the package names (and use the -s parameter on debsums)
2415 [14:43:55] <Haohmaru> oh, a wireless mouse
2416 [14:44:03] <cruncher> have to go to eat now... brb
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2418 [14:44:11] <jaami> cruncher , that is good idea , i will use debsums.
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2424 [14:45:40] <jaami> my debian is already in bad condition so i think next time i will use debsums
2425 [14:46:10] <victorqueiroz> Any ideas?
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2430 [14:47:07] <jaami> victorqueiroz what Os are you using?
2431 [14:47:29] <victorqueiroz> DEbian
2432 [14:47:33] <victorqueiroz> Debian stable
2433 [14:47:34] <victorqueiroz> Stretch
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2439 [14:52:19] <jaami> isn't there any restore command for debian ?
2440 [14:53:10] <Haohmaru> normally an average user doesn't mess up his linux
2441 [14:53:38] <jaami> right
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2443 [14:54:08] <jaami> why apt-get update upgrade cannot fix the issues?
2444 [14:54:10] <jelly> jaami, there's no backup configured by default, so there is no restore either
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2446 [14:54:58] <jelly> jaami, what you can do, is reinstall packages containing the paths you have deleted
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2448 [14:56:08] <jaami> is there any system restore ? , in fact i changed the folder to root and removed every file that had webkit in it with recursive search
2449 [14:56:41] <jaami> really, i dont like webkit and debian should not be a ness
2450 [14:56:54] <jaami> ppshould not be a mess without webkit
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2452 [14:57:14] <jaami> why debian is dependent on webkit and mozilla?
2453 [14:57:36] <Haohmaru> eh?
2454 [14:57:51] <Haohmaru> did you try to uninstall mozilla?
2455 [14:58:04] <Haohmaru> or you went to erase system files directly
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2458 [14:58:46] <jaami> yes, there was an error and mozilla was not un installing that is why i removed it
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2464 [14:59:38] <jaami> i erased each and every file that had mozilla in it and didi that on root folder with -R switch
2465 [15:00:08] <Haohmaru> containing the text "mozzila" or just in the file names?
2466 [15:00:27] <jaami> just in the file name
2467 [15:00:38] <Haohmaru> in both cases, i don't know what you expected to happen after that
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2469 [15:01:02] <jaami> and i still get updates for mozilla when run apt-get update, but it fails in the end
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2471 [15:01:19] <Haohmaru> you get updates because you have it installed
2472 [15:01:53] <jaami> yes, you are right. there are still some tracks of mozzilla in some files internally
2473 [15:02:04] <jelly> you learned something today, if you want to uninstall things, do it with the package packager and not with rm command
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2477 [15:02:32] <jaami> jelly, i want to eat you
2478 [15:02:58] <jaami> yes, but really, i hate mozilla so much i will do it again if i install debian again
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2480 [15:03:16] <Haohmaru> jaami, next step is to erase the program which keeps mozilla updates popping up.. that's apt-get
2481 [15:03:28] <biax> on a new install, enabling sshd gives: Failed to enable unit: Refusing to operate on linked unit file sshd.service
2482 [15:03:30] <Haohmaru> or synaptic
2483 [15:03:31] <biax> whats this
2484 [15:03:38] <jaami> webkit, google and mozzila are most painful words for me
2485 [15:03:41] <Haohmaru> break your debian completely and start over again ;]
2486 [15:03:48] <forcerecon_> what about sudo apt-get purge
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2489 [15:04:38] <jaami> Haohmaru , right, i wanted to ask you for help because you people always have some real smart ideas
2490 [15:05:26] <jaami> i am taking backup, and next thing will be reinstall of debian
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2493 [15:06:45] <jaami> debian is still running but it work like a blind man. it dont see what was told it to copy, and neither it see what was asked to delete. it just do what it wants
2494 [15:06:51] <forcerecon_> firefox esr is actually quite solid and secure when comparing to chrome etc..
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2497 [15:07:33] <jaami> forcerecon_ yes, compared to chrome firefox is better
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2499 [15:07:58] <jaami> but i want no browser or java on my debian, neither javascript
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2501 [15:08:11] <Haohmaru> then you uninstall them
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2503 [15:08:57] <jelly> jaami, linux usually does what you tell it to, not what it wants
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2505 [15:09:11] <jelly> if you tell it to do somehting dumb, it tries to obey
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2507 [15:09:33] <jaami> Haohmaru , that was my very first try, but there were issues i dont remember. and i thought mozilla, firefox, google, webkit etc if deleted , wont make no effect on debian
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2510 [15:09:41] <Haohmaru> and when you're logged in as "root" it doesn't ask you to confirm 5 times whether you really want to break your system
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2513 [15:10:21] <jaami> jelly , do you think it was dumb to remove every sign of webkit?
2514 [15:10:31] <Haohmaru> jaami, the point is you deleted random SYSTEM files
2515 [15:11:00] <jaami> good point Haohmaru , you said it, SYSTEM FILES
2516 [15:11:25] <Haohmaru> and now your system is misbehaving
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2518 [15:11:40] <jaami> that is my exact point, why webkit is a system file, or mozzila, or chrome, or google etc?
2519 [15:12:01] <Haohmaru> jaami, because it's installed
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2524 [15:13:11] <jaami> everything is handled i files on linux, and if file is not there means , nothing was installed like webkit. am i right?
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2526 [15:13:49] <jaami> unless debian is using something like registory of windows
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2529 [15:14:07] <Haohmaru> if you wake up tomorrow and your car is not in front of the house - logic says that you've never HAD a car, so everything is okay
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2531 [15:14:29] <Haohmaru> this is not how linux works
2532 [15:14:41] <jaami> hhhmm, smart idea.
2533 [15:15:39] <Haohmaru> and on the next day you see some car parked there - you assume it's yours and go out to give it a nice wash
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2536 [15:16:44] <Haohmaru> your system knows what programs (actually packages) are installed, and tries to get new versions when they are available
2537 [15:17:00] <jaami> my point is that, if webkit was missing then was it hell of issue for debian, why not ignore that crap?
2538 [15:17:49] <jaami> system files has nothing to do with webkit
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2540 [15:18:00] <Haohmaru> there probably is a reason for
2541 [15:18:07] <jaami> system files are still there untouched
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2543 [15:18:38] <Haohmaru> you just went there and trimmed the bush a little
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2545 [15:19:42] <Haohmaru> stop argueing, backup your important files, and then wipe this broken debian, install a new one, and don't do silly things
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2549 [15:20:07] <Haohmaru> avoid logging in as "root" as much as possible
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2582 [15:37:01] <maziar> why "&&" is not in my shellscript ?
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2588 [15:39:21] <onca> while trying to access a samba share from windows, I recieve a "System error 67" "The nework name cannot be found."
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2598 [15:43:27] <forcerecon_> If I am wrong someone correct me..
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2600 [15:44:28] <forcerecon_> I think what I did was edit the config file and add my network name. Then I editted the host file and added the ip address of the machine in question with a hostname.
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2610 [15:47:56] <Haohmaru> do you have ping towards that hostname then?
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2625 [15:56:52] <vlt> maziar: Either because nobody ever put it there or someone deleted it.
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2628 [15:58:42] <forcerecon_> In LMDE there was no workgroup setup. but that makes sense, when I created the box I gave it a name, you would think it would have been there..
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2651 [16:09:15] <_Strix_> guys, which is the faster desktop environment??
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2653 [16:10:33] <Logg> which ones are you considering
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2655 [16:10:40] <sypher> That's not really a good question.
2656 [16:10:51] <sleepyhead> _Strix_: the light ones like xfce and lxde
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2659 [16:11:09] <Logg> for maximum speed, don't install one
2660 [16:11:13] <_Strix_> kde and gnome
2661 [16:11:27] <sypher> Again, this is a bad question.
2662 [16:11:46] <sypher> "faster" is a completely subjective term that depends entirely on what you're using the system for, what resources the system has, etc.
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2665 [16:12:24] <Logg> you should just try all the desktop environments you're interested in using, and decide which one you like the best. You can install multiple at once with no problems, just choose at login which one you'll be using for that session.
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2667 [16:12:46] <_Strix_> I need to run it on virtual machines with limited resources.
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2673 [16:13:31] <Logg> You might consider actually not installing any desktop environment depending on the application of your virtual machines... on my servers I don't need one
2674 [16:13:57] <jolt> _Strix_: not any of those. Try something like slim perhaps?
2675 [16:14:34] <_Strix_> will it have large impact on performance?
2676 [16:14:49] <_Strix_> having a desktop environment
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2680 [16:16:25] <jolt> _Strix_: Well, I don't know what you are trying to achive, so it's hard to say. If the goal is to use a browser remotely, then I would say you need a nice UI, if not, then why add it at all
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2683 [16:17:35] <_Strix_> You can see me as a wannabe hacker/pentester.
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2685 [16:17:55] <jolt> _Strix_: Then you should look into kali-linux instead
2686 [16:18:08] <jolt> You will get 99% of what you need for free
2687 [16:18:09] <_Strix_> I used kali on VMware and Virtualbox
2688 [16:18:10] <Haohmaru> then you need a desktop with 6 terminal windows covering the screen
2689 [16:18:17] <jolt> Haohmaru: Hahaha!
2690 [16:18:21] <JobEwanKenobi> No... I really can't see that at all.
2691 [16:18:23] <sypher> tmux.
2692 [16:18:24] <Logg> a wannabe hacker definitely doesn't need a gui
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2694 [16:18:52] <Haohmaru> Logg, but you gotta have multiple terminals with a very fancy font and background
2695 [16:19:16] <Logg> you can get fancy fonts on a tty I think, never felt the need to do that myself though
2696 [16:19:16] <greycat> "white" is very fancy, right?
2697 [16:19:21] <_Strix_> but as I'm just starting out GUI should help me up to some extent.
2698 [16:19:26] <_Strix_> right?
2699 [16:19:31] <sypher> No.
2700 [16:19:59] <sypher> If anything, a GUI will abstract away technical details that are mandatory for learning those kinds of techniques.
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2703 [16:20:09] <greycat> The only thing you use a GUI for is to resize and move terminals around, and to use a web browser that can actually open all the horrible Javascript/graphical web pages out there.
2704 [16:20:26] <jolt> _Strix_: Well, I like modern browsers, so GUI are nice. Install slim, it's small and doesn't try to do too much
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2708 [16:21:01] <_Strix_> ok jolt
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2710 [16:21:10] <JobEwanKenobi> I would spend less time deciding on desktop environments and more time getting your terminal env the way you like it...Tmux anyone?
2711 [16:21:25] <jolt> (nothing wrong with using gnome or something else either, just that it installs a billion extra packages that you probably don't need)
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2714 [16:21:53] <sleepyhead> _Strix_: the light ones like xfce and lxde. xfce + browser will run on 2GB VM
2715 [16:21:53] <jhutchins_wk> _Strix_: replaced-url
2716 [16:21:54] <Haohmaru> lxde for me
2717 [16:22:11] <Haohmaru> but i'm no h4x0r
2718 [16:22:14] <greycat> A window manager, a terminal emulator, and a web browser.
2719 [16:22:24] <sypher> ^
2720 [16:22:27] <Haohmaru> and a hoodie!
2721 [16:22:30] <greycat> hah
2722 [16:22:34] <_Strix_> how do I mention other users here in IRC?
2723 [16:22:44] <sypher> And a balaclava. And fingerless gloves.
2724 [16:22:46] <_Strix_> IRC is a new thing to me.
2725 [16:22:48] <greycat> type their name, or type a part of their name and press Tab
2726 [16:22:51] <sypher> If we're going for bad stock photos.
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2728 [16:23:30] <iodev> greycat, do you use i3?
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2730 [16:23:38] <greycat> I use fvwm
2731 [16:23:38] <Logg> you could install i3 or awesome _Strix_
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2733 [16:23:49] <iodev> close enough greycat, new buddy :D
2734 [16:23:57] <_Strix_> I'm using mobile client. So tab is not available.
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2736 [16:24:10] <greycat> I do use i3lock to replace xlockmore which hasn't been packaged in many a release.
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2742 [16:25:15] <_Strix_> greycat
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2745 [16:26:38] <_Strix_> bye guys see you soon.
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2747 [16:26:53] <Haohmaru> see you on the news!
2748 [16:26:57] <Logg> okay good luck
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2800 [16:53:52] <OS-22010> /msg NickServ IDENTIFY irc2017
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2802 [16:54:12] <sypher> Aaaaand password change.
2803 [16:54:30] <greycat> Not until next year.
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2810 [16:56:31] <oerheks> ~ /msg NickServ SET PASSWORD irc%Y
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2812 [16:56:56] <greycat> OS-22010: Your slash-commands must NOT have a space in front of them.
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2814 [16:57:37] <OS-22010> greycat: thank you
2815 [16:57:41] <jdfish> and that's why you type that into NickServ's query tab or window
2816 [16:57:41] <jdfish> or in your status window
2817 [16:57:52] <sypher> Or use SASL auth.
2818 [16:58:04] <sypher> Or certificate auth.
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2831 [17:02:23] <victorqueiroz> I have the following problem. Even with my 8 cores not all busy and only 3GB of RAM (I have 8 GB of RAM) in usage, the mouse keep lagging sometimes. Anybody know what could it be? All I know is that I'm using a Microsoft Wireless 3500 and when I have a little usage of CPU the mouse lag, the wired keyboard worked fine. But when I have high cpu usage the mouse starts lagging.
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2836 [17:04:47] <jdfish> victorqueiroz: it may be worthwhile not to crosspaste and keep your question in one place at a time
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2838 [17:05:15] <victorqueiroz> jdfish: Sorry
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2840 [17:05:39] <greycat> Are you sure the issue comes from CPU use and not, say, USB bus errors? Or other device errors visible in dmesg?
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2873 [17:21:52] <__marioxcc> Hello.
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2876 [17:22:33] <__marioxcc> I want to install a set of dependencies for a program I intend to build from source, but I would like them to be organized in a "group" so that I can remove the group and they're gone, instead of having to remember which they are, and removing them manually one by one. How can I do this?
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2880 [17:24:35] <Logg> __marioxcc, probably make a text file with the names of the dependencies, then you could pipe that list later as your "uninstall" script
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2883 [17:25:21] <Logg> or, I think apt will let you know automatically sometimes "this package was installed as a dependency and is no longer needed"
2884 [17:25:24] <greycat> Why bother removing them at all? What happens when you want to upgrade to the next version of this thing you're building?
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2909 [17:34:02] <iodev> Schmetterwurm, :D hallo
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2918 [17:36:10] <__marioxcc> greycat: It may not require the same dependencies.
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2921 [17:36:36] <__marioxcc> Anyway, somebody suggested "equivs" in #debian in OFTC. It seems to be what I am looking for.
2922 [17:36:38] <greycat> Yes, that is a theoretical possibility, like the sun going nova, or an asteroid killing you.
2923 [17:37:09] <greycat> But a *typical* upgrade from, say, version 2.5.6 to 2.5.7 is not going to change dependencies.
2924 [17:37:11] <__marioxcc> I get what you mean.
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2927 [17:37:31] <greycat> Are you so low on disk space that this is an actual issue, or is this just some anal-retentive compulsion?
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2929 [17:38:04] <__marioxcc> greycat: No, OCD.
2930 [17:38:21] <jdfish> "or is this just some anal-retentive compulsion?"
2931 [17:38:21] <jdfish> rofl
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2946 [17:47:05] <aZz7eCh> is it allowed to ask jessie questions? :P for soem freakin' reason ... my default gnome applications are playing up... i have images opening in firefox ... firefox demanding to be default browser every time it opens ... no idea what has caused this only started yesterday ... anyone else brougth it up here ?
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2950 [17:48:41] <greycat> Yes, you're allowed to ask.
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2953 [17:50:02] <greycat> google says replaced-url
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2955 [17:50:46] <greycat> I'm not sure whether the "Ubuntu Linux" instructions mean "GNOME" or not.
2956 [17:52:04] <tx> Unity I'd gather.
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2990 [18:03:08] <kion> My boss is tired of windows, I told him i will install Debian on his computer but he needs skype, has anyone tried it on wine, or should i install the linux version?, any advice is welcome.
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2999 [18:04:38] <mjtpzfrL_> hello guys, am on debian parrot-4.9.0 ...am unable to conveniently use apt-get install for i get this error:
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3002 [18:04:51] <mjtpzfrL_> << GnuTLS recv error (-54): Error in the pull function.
3003 [18:04:52] <greycat> !parrot
3004 [18:04:52] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
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3006 [18:05:10] <mjtpzfrL_> ok
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3008 [18:05:22] <greycat> If it were Debian, I'd simply say "stop trying to use https sources"
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3010 [18:06:23] <mjtpzfrL_> could any try explain this error " GnuTLS recv error (-54): Error in the pull function."
3011 [18:06:26] <soulspire> Hello again :) Now that I can use my headphones using Bluetooth directly or using Blueman, I seem to be limited to 3 feet or even when I turn my head it loses signal. I moved from Debian 8 to Debian 9.1
3012 [18:06:27] <mjtpzfrL_> ??
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3031 [18:13:12] <soulspire> anyone had wireless headphones connection issue after upgrading to Debian Stretch?
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3037 [18:15:15] <__marioxcc> Wireless devices *are* a security issue.
3038 [18:15:25] <mutante> can't tell, not using wireless because it just adds new problems like connection issues, battery always low in the worst moment etc
3039 [18:15:33] <__marioxcc> And wasteful of batteries.
3040 [18:15:40] <__marioxcc> (bad for the environment)
3041 [18:15:46] <__marioxcc> (and for your finances)
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3043 [18:15:57] <jrmu> kion: I did use skype on Ubuntu once. The call quality was decent, but I had some troubles with screencasting and video. I've never tried it on debian and now discourage its use after I found out about its spyware. Have you ever tried linphone?
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3046 [18:16:58] <jrmu> kion: does your boss need skype for skype to skype calls or skype to landline calls?
3047 [18:17:06] <tx> fwiw
3048 [18:17:13] <tx> replaced-url
3049 [18:17:14] <kion> jrmu its not for me, I stopped using skype when ms dropped support for linux, this is for my boss and for him skype is a deal breaker....
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3051 [18:17:22] <kion> jrmu, skype calls
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3053 [18:17:39] <kion> jrmu, can you tell me a little more on the spyware thing?
3054 [18:17:59] <jrmu> kion: yeah I understand the difficulty. I've faced similar situations.
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3058 [18:20:01] <jrmu> kion: replaced-url
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3061 [18:21:34] <kion> jrmu, thanks, I didn't know but.... I knew
3062 [18:21:49] <kion> anything ms now is...
3063 [18:22:03] <jrmu> kion: right now I'm using linphone. It takes more work to configure, especially if you are behind a NAT. But otherwise you also can make calls to landlines cheaply and calls to other sip addresses for free
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3068 [18:23:06] <jrmu> kion: linphone also works on android. It is sometimes a real hassle to configure.
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3073 [18:23:55] <ubone> there is blink and jitsi also
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3088 [18:29:11] <jrmu> kion: linphone gives away free sip accounts. So if everyone switches over to linphone, you can get the same free phone/video calling as skype offers
3089 [18:29:11] <jrmu> the main trouble, of course, is getting everyone to switch over to linphone :)
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3091 [18:29:17] <kion> jrmu, yes I would like to use something like that, the problem is, the user base that skype has...that is why my boss is stuck in it
3092 [18:29:23] <jrmu> I should clarify: you can use any sip client, such as jitsi. But it won't work with Skype, since skype has its own proprietary protocol
3093 [18:29:44] <kion> jrmu, I know, skype is as closed as it gets
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3095 [18:30:17] <jrmu> kion: sorry then :(. I don't think I know how to help in that case
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3097 [18:30:36] <kion> jrmu, no problem... I appreciate your time and experience
3098 [18:31:21] <kion> jrmu, I think i will set him on Debian and install the skype for linux program, I would never do that on my own machine
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3100 [18:31:23] <jmcnaught> kion: MS announced a WebRTC interface to skype last year, see if you can find that and test it in a browser on Debian
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3103 [18:31:54] <kion> jmcnaught, as far as I know skype for web does not support video... so it is useless
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3111 [18:33:00] <jmcnaught> kion: other webrtc stuff does video and works in Debian, check if MS has updated features
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3137 [18:40:37] <jrmu> being incompatible with proprietary software is a problem I have to deal with as well. It definitely scares people away from using debian. I wonder if anything can be done about it
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3141 [18:43:43] <jdfish> proprietary software isn't the problem per se, but whether the program can run natively on Debian. things like MATLAB and Mathematica have native GNU/Linux ports, but they are proprietary
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3213 [19:10:48] <aguitel> installed lxdm (display manager) how to choose from xfce4 or enlightenment
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3215 [19:11:18] <grillon> does someone already used distcc and crosstool-ng together?
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3218 [19:13:04] <Texou> hi
3219 [19:13:30] <Texou> do you know if there is a way to rescue a /etc destroyed by mistake?
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3222 [19:13:43] <_rubik> ^ yikes.
3223 [19:13:47] <greycat> restore backup
3224 [19:13:54] <Texou> I dont have :)
3225 [19:14:01] <_rubik> Unless you have a backup, you're hosed
3226 [19:14:03] <greycat> Then no. Reinstall.
3227 [19:14:19] <Texou> ok
3228 [19:14:25] <Texou> it is what I suspected
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3231 [19:15:07] <boodie> Hi (Jessie): it's me again. I haven't started the transition yet, because my plan is to also upgrade the hardware. This PC is on its last legs and I don't want to wait for the disaster to happen. However; do you think it's wiser to first upgrade to scratch on this machine, so the packages and libraries will hopefully be upgraded / sorted and then replicate the linux box on the new hardware, or the other way around?
3232 [19:15:58] <Texou> however if I fetch a /etc/apt
3233 [19:16:02] <Texou> then apt update
3234 [19:16:04] <_rubik> How soon are you planning to upgrade?
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3236 [19:16:13] <Texou> then dpkg-reconfigure -a
3237 [19:16:15] <_rubik> The hardware that is.
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3239 [19:16:25] <Texou> will it fail?
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3241 [19:16:44] <greycat> you're getting crosstalk between two questions
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3243 [19:17:07] <Texou> oops sorry
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3246 [19:17:26] <greycat> Texou: /msg dpkg confmiss /msg dpkg reinstall
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3251 [19:18:02] <Texou> ok thanks
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3253 [19:18:41] <boodie> _rubik: in the next couple of weeks?
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3258 [19:20:45] <_rubik> boodie: Personally I would upgrade the hardware first to make you life easy. Itll be like a new machine.
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3265 [19:23:27] <__marioxcc> Hello.
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3272 [19:25:50] <boodie> Hmmm, ok: are there packages in Jessie that don't exist in Stretch? I'm sure there might be ...
3273 [19:26:07] <boodie> The contrary will also be true
3274 [19:26:24] <Nebuchnzr> they cut out a number of base utilities , moved to the depository
3275 [19:26:29] <boodie> I suppose it's difficult to answer ...
3276 [19:26:38] <greycat> There are definitely packages in jessie that do not exist in stretch.
3277 [19:27:00] <greycat> Not difficult to answer at all.
3278 [19:27:03] <Nebuchnzr> after upgrading from jessie to stretch i missed a lot of common stuff
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3280 [19:27:35] <jmcnaught> Nebuchnzr: such as?
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3282 [19:27:49] <Nebuchnzr> jmcnaught: i remember : updatedb, locate
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3286 [19:28:12] <Nebuchnzr> but also ifconfig, netstat (now ip) , i forgot about the rest.. it were half a dozen more
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3289 [19:28:27] <boodie> I'll try to put it better; if I created a list of packages on this machine, installed a netinst copy of stretch on the new machine (with a CD or USB stick), how will stretch handle the differences?
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3295 [19:29:13] <jmcnaught> Nebuchnzr: not installed by default is different than missing from the distro…
3296 [19:29:41] <Nebuchnzr> boodie: no idea. jmcnaught: i'm comparing a basic install jessie with a basic install stretch
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3298 [19:30:22] <Nebuchnzr> i guess there should be diff with the netinstalls too
3299 [19:30:54] <greycat> Doing a dpkg --set-selections from some other release's --get-selections output is not supported.
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3307 [19:34:56] <boodie> No, of course ... Originally I thought ... why should I go through all the palaver of upgrading this machine to Stretch, just to recreate it on the new hardware (and almost having re-inflict myself the torment)? Answer is because there might be significant differences in the packages, and I'm sure there will be ...
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3310 [19:35:44] <boodie> In which case upgrading this machine first might be not wrong ...
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3312 [19:37:26] <greycat> Sounds sane.
3313 [19:37:38] <z8z> What is this error about? This happens when i try to update my Debian 9.1.0 clean installation. replaced-url
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3326 [19:42:11] <jmcnaught> z8z: did you open synaptic? #864640
3327 [19:42:13] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3334 [19:43:23] <stefano_> hello guys
3335 [19:43:34] <z8z> jmcnaught: Yes i opened synaptic (-_-)
3336 [19:43:38] <stefano_> can i add a boot screen in debian stretch? you know like ubuntu one
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3339 [19:44:10] <stefano_> my debian installation is becoming pretty cool. i just want to remove this black screen whille booting and it'll be great
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3342 [19:45:47] <jmcnaught> z8z: check what is in the /etc/apt/trusted.gpg file with: "gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /etc/apt/trusted.gpg --list-keys" (as root or change the permissions on that file first)
3343 [19:46:21] <`Kevin> stefano_: plymouth package
3344 [19:46:28] <greycat> !bootsplash
3345 [19:46:28] <dpkg> Plymouth presents a graphic animation while the boot process occurs in the background. It is designed to be used with <DRM> modesetting drivers and replaces both <usplash> and <splashy>. Read /usr/share/doc/plymouth/README.Debian to enable. replaced-url
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3349 [19:47:11] <greycat> Weird name. The name "Plymouth" implies a medium-sized rock to me.
3350 [19:47:31] <greycat> Or an old automobile.
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3358 [19:50:49] <Kaizen_> hello to everyone in the mailto links firefox luanchs evolution automatically, I have set up the firefox browser to select another mail client (but it does noo have the thunderbird option) and my xfce desktop is set up so thunderbird is the selected program, but firefox still does not get it, waht is going on?
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3362 [19:51:36] <stefano_> thank you
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3364 [19:52:14] <maxcell_> I install debian9 yesterday, and today my Grub suddenly vanish and the PC boots to windows automaticly.
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3366 [19:52:25] <maxcell_> why?
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3368 [19:52:32] <Lyberta> how to enable new network interface names from an upgraded system and how to check them&
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3371 [19:53:28] <z8z> jmcnaught: Thanks
3372 [19:53:31] <greycat> Lyberta: I would imagine you move the /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules files somewhere else, and reboot.
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3374 [19:53:50] <z8z> jmcnaught: I was wondering... noone found this problem during the testing period of Debian?
3375 [19:53:52] <greycat> Lyberta: of course your /etc/network/interfaces will then no longer match up, so it may require some manual work afterward...
3376 [19:54:12] <jmcnaught> Lyberta: read the note in /usr/share/doc/udev/README.Debian.gz
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3382 [19:56:27] <jmcnaught> z8z: or nobody reported the bug early enough
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3386 [19:57:33] <greycat> Most of the people who test Debian probably do not use synaptic.
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3407 [20:05:00] <scarfeater> hi
3408 [20:05:19] <scarfeater> does anyone know of a good way i can check if a vm running under qemu is actually using kvm?
3409 [20:05:41] <scarfeater> this vm seems slower than i'd expect, but even when i invoke the image under kvm the process is listed in top as `qemu`
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3440 [20:12:09] <jhutchins_wk> !qemu
3441 [20:12:09] <dpkg> QEMU is a fast PC emulator. replaced-url
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3443 [20:12:21] <jhutchins_wk> kvm
3444 [20:12:24] <scarfeater> ah yeah i know what it is
3445 [20:12:36] <jhutchins_wk> !kvm
3446 [20:12:36] <dpkg> Kernel-based Virtual Machine (KVM) is a full <virtualization> solution for Linux hosts on x86 hardware with x86 guests. Packaged as qemu-kvm since Debian 6.0 "Squeeze". See replaced-url
3447 [20:12:42] <scarfeater> jesus christ
3448 [20:12:45] <scarfeater> yes i know what they are
3449 [20:12:47] <scarfeater> that's not my question
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3453 [20:13:33] <jhutchins_wk> scarfeater: I'm querying the bot to see what resources it's linked to. I imagine you'd see the answers in at least one of the FAQ pages.
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3455 [20:13:40] <Kaizen_> hello to everyone in the mailto links firefox luanchs evolution automatically, I have set up the firefox browser to select another mail client (but it does noo have the thunderbird option) and my xfce desktop is set up so thunderbird is the selected program, but firefox still does not get it, waht is going on?
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3459 [20:14:38] <th0r> Kaizen_, have you looked through about:config to see if you can find where the email client is defined in firefox?
3460 [20:14:46] <scarfeater> jhutchins_wk, well then maybe do that in a pm rather than spamming me and everyone else?
3461 [20:14:49] <jmcnaught> scarfeater: look to see if the qemu process was started with -enable-kvm, or run "systemd-detect-virt" inside the guest
3462 [20:15:09] <scarfeater> jmcnaught, cheers thanks
3463 [20:15:34] <jhutchins_wk> scarfeater: It's a subtle hint to rtfm.
3464 [20:16:23] <scarfeater> jhutchins_wk, i already have and since you've already demonstrated you don't actually have an answer to the question, maybe you'll pipe down a bit
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3466 [20:16:32] <th0r> jmcnaught, I,for one, lurk on these channels to learn something. I would prefer others would do the queries so everyone could see them....we might all get a bit smarter
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3469 [20:16:53] <jmcnaught> th0r: uhhhh…?
3470 [20:16:57] <Kaizen_> scarfeater, it does not get anything about email client, but I have tried to set it on preferences
3471 [20:17:22] <th0r> jmcnaught, sorry...that was for jhutchins_wk
3472 [20:17:58] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: is thunderbird installed normally?
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3475 [20:18:35] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, mmmm I assume yes, it is installed with apt-get
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3477 [20:19:09] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: in firefox go to "about:preferences#applications" in the adddress bar, type in mailto in the search field there, what does it use right now?
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3482 [20:21:28] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, it is set "always ask" but that is becuase I have set up in thart way, the problem is that when selecting one application, it doe snot show thunderbird, only evolution 8as default), as long as I remember, there was some kind of "default programs" in some part of debina configuration 8default rbowaser and so on) something related to xdg-default, I am assuming that this os related to tthat
3483 [20:22:21] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: can you select use other and enter /usr/bin/thunderbird?
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3488 [20:25:35] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, done, but where is the "default" set?
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3491 [20:26:46] <grillon> does someone already used distcc, I want to know if it's normal that I can only distribute the compilation of object file not further
3492 [20:27:10] <greycat> Kaizen_: none of the things on replaced-url
3493 [20:27:25] <grillon> objects file are created on remote but other phases are local is it normal?
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3500 [20:29:35] <Kaizen_> I mean, the xfce desktop launcher executes this order: exo-open --launch WebBrowser %u what does it all mean? is it somethinng about xfce? about freeedesktop? or waht?
3501 [20:29:35] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: I don't know what you mean by default. Firefox should be finding out which programs can handle mail from the xdg set of tools, and should pick up on it from thunderbird's .desktop file. Unfortunately there are a lot of different ways to set "default" applications in Debian
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3503 [20:29:58] <greycat> I've never seen exo-open before.
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3505 [20:30:11] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, I mean: where are defaults configured?
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3507 [20:30:37] <OS-22010> 2017
3508 [20:30:41] <greycat> replaced-url
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3512 [20:31:22] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: it depends on which desktop you use. there are "multiple" ways for defaults.
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3516 [20:32:07] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, ah ok, I thought there was only one way
3517 [20:32:23] <greycat> Kaizen_: replaced-url
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3520 [20:33:12] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: it looks like if you want to use this exo-open stuff, then you would set defaults in exo-preferred-applications, and then in Firefox tell it to use "exo-open … somethingMailsomethingClient" for mailto links
3521 [20:33:32] <nvz> will encrypting a flash drive wear it down any faster? I've only ever used small luks containers I've never encrypted a whole drive
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3524 [20:34:46] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, what is all of that exo-preferred-applications?
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3527 [20:35:22] <jmcnaught> Kaizen_: I don't know I don't use it or xfce. I just looked at the description of the exo-utils package
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3529 [20:35:49] <Kaizen_> mmmm linux is turning more obscure each year
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3531 [20:36:21] <Kaizen_> jmcnaught, thaks, at elast I know were to start to read :)
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3533 [20:36:32] <Kaizen_> greycat, taks to you too :)
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3598 [21:02:55] <guest2338> How can I autohide the top menubar in eye-of-gnome, using cinnamon DE? Adding the eog-plugins package doesn't seem to work.
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3602 [21:04:08] <jmcnaught> guest2338: do you mean in fullscreen mode?
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3604 [21:04:27] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Yes.
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3606 [21:05:04] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Does it only work right from within the Gnome DE?
3607 [21:05:07] <PLA> after install debian stretch, front panel not work
3608 [21:05:24] <Triramisu> Hi, I have installed debian on a thinkpad x220 and can't get the wifi to work, I don't see the interface in “ip link list“ and the networkmanager doesn't find it either
3609 [21:05:30] <Triramisu> here is the output from lspci: replaced-url
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3611 [21:05:39] <jmcnaught> guest2338: maybe. are you going fullscreen with the F11 key?
3612 [21:06:17] <PLA> what i do?
3613 [21:06:23] <guest2338> jmcnaught: From within the menu, but let me try F11.
3614 [21:06:31] <jmcnaught> Triramisu: you need the firmware-iwlwifi package from non-free
3615 [21:07:04] <jmcnaught> guest2338: for me on GNOME the menu bar on disappears after no input activity
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3618 [21:07:30] <PLA> the headphone don't work only
3619 [21:07:44] <PLA> wifi is ok
3620 [21:07:55] <Triramisu> jmcnaught: thanks, I thought it was firmware-realtek for some reason
3621 [21:08:00] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Any way I go fullscreen, the menu bar stays there.
3622 [21:08:03] <Triramisu> brb
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3624 [21:08:41] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Let em re-install eog-plugins and try that again. There's an option in there.
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3626 [21:09:13] <jmcnaught> guest2338: do you mean "Hide Titlebar: Hides the titlebar of maximized Eye of GNOME windows" ?
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3629 [21:11:08] <guest2338> jmcnaught: The menu bar at the top of eog that has choices: Image Edit View Go Help.
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3632 [21:11:46] <guest2338> jmcnaught: I'm re-install eog-plugins now.
3633 [21:11:52] <jmcnaught> why?
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3638 [21:13:44] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Yes. Edit > Preferences > Add-ons > Hide Titlebar.
3639 [21:14:01] <jmcnaught> guest2338: this is what an eog window (not maximized or fullscreen) looks like in GNOME. Note that the menu and titlebar are the same thing. replaced-url
3640 [21:15:42] <guest2338> jmcnaught: Saw your image. One moment, please.
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3642 [21:17:08] <jmcnaught> guest2338: that hide titlebar add-on sounds like it is meant to hide the titlebar when the window is maximized (not the same thing as fullscreen mode), and it is probably designed to work with gnome-shell
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3648 [21:19:16] <guest2338> jmcnaught: In Cinnamon, shows like that (non-maximized window). Do F11, then top bar like yours disappears. Either way, bar menu bar below that (Image Edit View Go Help) stays, won't go away.
3649 [21:19:59] <jmcnaught> guest2338: probably because it isn't running in GNOME which puts those menu items into the top bar application menu
3650 [21:20:11] <guest2338> jmcnaught: That's what I think, no way to do it in Cinnamon.
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3652 [21:20:58] <jmcnaught> guest2338: could always use GNOME, or try a different image viewer
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3655 [21:21:41] <guest2338> jmcnaught: That's one small step for Gnome/Redhat, one giant leap backward for humanity.
3656 [21:21:49] <mutante> guest2338: try "feh" as image viewer, you might like it
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3658 [21:22:30] <guest2338> I'll have to try feh. Did use Gnome, but just didn't like it.
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3660 [21:23:29] <mutante> less is more :)
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3662 [21:24:01] <guest2338> Installing feh now, will try.
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3671 [21:26:03] <mutante> guest2338: you can just run it on a bunch of images like "feh *.jpg" and then use cursor keys
3672 [21:26:20] <guest2338> mutante: Wow. That's sure is minimal!
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3674 [21:26:47] <mutante> the GUI is, yes. but still has features like zoom, load from http and whatnot
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3678 [21:27:23] <mutante> see description in "apt-cache show feh" and the website linked there
3679 [21:27:31] <guest2338> mutante: Well, it is full screen!
3680 [21:27:34] <mutante> yep
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3686 [21:28:35] <mutante> Advanced features include fast dynamic zooming, progressive loading, loading via HTTP (with reload support for watching webcams.. index prints, mousewheel control.. bla bla .. dont let the minimal GUI fool you
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3689 [21:29:17] <guest2338> mutante: I'm checking it out right now.
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3697 [21:32:44] <guest2338> jmcnaught, mutante: Okay, thanks guys.
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3710 [21:37:22] <sparky4> recently upgraded my other laptop to debian jessie and i cannot start my x session. root can do it but not me
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3715 [21:43:38] <jolt> sparky4: are your user in the video group?
3716 [21:43:48] <jolt> I think there was something like that added way back
3717 [21:44:02] <jolt> But I'm not an X user, so I don't know for sure
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3722 [21:46:46] <sparky4> jolt: ! i can check
3723 [21:47:11] <sparky4> jolt: how can i do that?
3724 [21:47:21] <jolt> sparky4: "id <user>"
3725 [21:47:37] <jolt> If not, adduser <user> video, logout/login and try again
3726 [21:47:44] <sparky4> jolt yes
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3729 [21:48:10] <greycat> remember, "id" shows what you are right now, and "id username" shows what you would be if you did a whole new login session
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3740 [21:51:25] <jimr1603> Hi, I got some useful help here yesterday, but I have a related problem. The image on my tv/monitor (58'' tv, at 1920x1080) is bigger than the actual screen. So if I maximise anything the top, bottom and sides are cropped. I can't hit the x to close a program on the screen. I've started using the libre Nvidia drivers
3741 [21:51:36] <jimr1603> Any more details useful?
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3743 [21:52:15] <jolt> jimr1603: You need to look into overscan/underscan for your graphics card. It's pretty common for tv's as monitors
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3748 [21:54:00] <sparky4> jolt: no idea?
3749 [21:54:13] <jolt> Could also have something to do with if you have DVI connected instead of hdmi and stuff like that.
3750 [21:54:27] <jolt> jimr1603: but I'm not an X user, so I can't help you there
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3752 [21:54:43] <jolt> sparky4: What? Did you check with id? Was your user in the video group?
3753 [21:55:38] <jolt> jimr1603: and sometimes there is a "pc" setting on the tv. Or monitor setting or whatnot that fixes the overscan issue
3754 [21:55:44] <jimr1603> I found the right command to send to nvidia-settings, I just need to understand it to work out how to make it do exactly what I want
3755 [21:55:59] <jolt> Ah, can't help you there
3756 [21:56:36] <jimr1603> hopefully there's a man page
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3759 [21:58:26] <sparky4> jolt: yes my user is n video group
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3764 [22:00:23] <jmcnaught> jimr1603: are confusing the proprietary nvidia drivers with the open souce nouveau driver? You said 'libre Nvidia drivers" and are talking about nvidia-settings (part of the proprietary drivers)
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3770 [22:01:41] <jimr1603> I'm well confused now. I had the proprietry install, then upgrade broke it, so I installed the libre drivers from the repositry. It's entirely possible I've not purged all the proprietry stuff, in which case I'm suprised nvidia-settings did anything
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3773 [22:02:22] <jmcnaught> jimr1603: what was the package called that you installed from which repo?
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3812 [22:24:20] <sparky4> >< i hate that .xsession-errors do not say anything
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3814 [22:24:35] <sparky4> lightdm says nothing
3815 [22:24:38] <sparky4> and xorg log says nothing ><
3816 [22:25:08] <sparky4> i do no see the error in there!
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3819 [22:25:27] <nkuttler> and the problem is.. ?
3820 [22:25:30] <greycat> Ctrl-Alt-F2 to get to a virtual console. Login there, and try running startx. See what happens.
3821 [22:25:48] <jmcnaught> or show us the Xorg.0.log in a paste
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3823 [22:26:20] <greycat> Also tell us what happened when you tried to login through lightdm.
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3825 [22:28:33] <sparky4> greycat: it clears video and logs right back out
3826 [22:28:45] <sparky4> I cannot run startx from console either
3827 [22:28:48] <sparky4> only as root
3828 [22:28:56] <greycat> What *happens* when you run startx as yourself?
3829 [22:28:58] <sparky4> and this mock user named ass
3830 [22:29:38] <sparky4> greycat: it terminates
3831 [22:29:41] <greycat> Also, if you created a new user, and that new user is able to run startx, then that implies a problem in your regular user's home dir.
3832 [22:30:02] <sparky4> root can run it too
3833 [22:30:04] <greycat> Everything terminates. What HAPPENS? Is there an error? What does it say? And so on.
3834 [22:30:07] <greycat> Christ.
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3837 [22:30:21] <sparky4> no error it just a blank screen then return to prompt
3838 [22:30:56] <mutante> there's a good chance it just works again if you'd delete all the (dot) files in your home dir but then it probably messes up 10 unrelated things
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3840 [22:31:20] <sparky4> mutante: i am thinking of that too
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3842 [22:31:26] <greycat> You mentioned .xsession-errors before, implying that one exists. Is it owned by you, and writable?
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3844 [22:31:31] <sparky4> i did delete the obvious .Xauthority
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3846 [22:31:54] <sparky4> greycat: yes
3847 [22:31:56] <greycat> Was it able to recreate .Xauthority? Is your *home dir* owned by you and writable?
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3849 [22:32:07] <sparky4> yes
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3851 [22:33:02] <mutante> compare all the files starting with . between your user and the "ass" user?
3852 [22:33:18] <greycat> Also a very helpful command in general: ls -lart
3853 [22:33:19] <sparky4> mutante: i am going todo that
3854 [22:33:28] <greycat> See what the most recently modified files are, and then examine those.
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3857 [22:35:01] <sparky4> in the home directory?
3858 [22:35:15] <mutante> yes
3859 [22:35:15] <greycat> Yeah, in any place you might expect things to be written.
3860 [22:35:57] <sparky4> .config
3861 [22:36:02] <sparky4> looks suspicious
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3863 [22:36:15] <greycat> It's a directory, so you can repeat the process inside there.
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3866 [22:36:41] <greycat> You said you upgraded to *jessie*, not stretch, so I wouldn't expect the Xorg.0.log to be inside there, but...
3867 [22:37:01] <greycat> (actually that would be .local not .config)
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3911 [22:57:06] <sparky4> greyoh my bad i did upgrate to stretch
3912 [22:57:18] <greycat> Well, that changes MANY things.
3913 [22:57:35] <greycat> First, if you run startx as non-root, the Xorg.0.log file is in ~/.local/share/xorg not in /var/log
3914 [22:57:45] <sparky4> greycat i am sorry!
3915 [22:57:55] <greycat> Second, probably not immediately relevant because "ass" can do it, a lot of the video drivers changed.
3916 [22:57:57] <sparky4> it spammed me with info but i saw no EE
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3920 [22:59:39] <greycat> In any event, the fact that "ass" can run startx but "sparky4" cannot really points to a problem in sparky4's configuration, either in ~sparky4 or in /run/user/1000 or in a file in /tmp that you happen to own, or *something*.
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3924 [23:00:33] <sparky4> greycat yeah.. .. i will look in those directories you mentioned
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3931 [23:03:48] <sparky4> oh my god i am so tired
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3950 [23:15:02] <kahra> how much of a difference is testing from unstable?
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3952 [23:15:23] <mutante> about 3.50
3953 [23:15:53] <kahra> most of the packages between the two release channels have the same version numbers
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3956 [23:17:05] <mutante> kahra: well, the definition is "had some testing" as opposed to "no testing"
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3959 [23:18:55] <kahra> like firefox dev edition compared to nightly?
3960 [23:19:03] <mutante> yea
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3963 [23:19:18] <mutante> testing is supposed to be the "preview" of the next stable
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3966 [23:19:45] <mutante> while unstable is just "the latest that has been uploaded, without checking"
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3969 [23:20:40] <jmcnaught> kahra: this part of the Debian Administrator's Handbook explains it pretty well: replaced-url
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3977 [23:26:01] <pierrot> Hi. I upgraded Debian like two weeks ago. Since then, I've always used it with a mouse plugged in. Today I realised that the touchpad doesn't work. I went to the kde touchpad settings and a message saying "No touchpad found" is displayed
3978 [23:27:01] <sparky4> greycat iexpreienced a similar issue with my other other laptop
3979 [23:27:17] <sparky4> on which i fixed it but i do not know how. I was too tired
3980 [23:27:28] <sparky4> and a customer is borrowing it for the time being
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3993 [23:33:34] <pierrot> I have xserver-xorg-input-synaptics installed
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3997 [23:38:36] <mcint> Is debian.net / mozilla.debian.net a trustworthy site? I'm bothered that a debian maintainer (or team) would use a different domain
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4000 [23:40:45] <mcint> i.e. not debian.org
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4007 [23:42:12] <mutante> mcint: at least they both use the same DNSNODE.DEBIAN.ORG as DNS servers
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4010 [23:42:39] <Tom-_> debian.net i think is trustworthy, it's been around for over 10 years
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4012 [23:42:50] <Tom-_> and i've used it before for i guess reading things
4013 [23:43:00] <mcint> I just dig'd and notice they're resolving to the same IPs
4014 [23:43:06] <mutante> DNSSEC: signedDelegation
4015 [23:43:07] <mcint> mutante: Tom-_ thanks!
4016 [23:43:12] <mutante> if this means anything ^
4017 [23:43:38] <mcint> one day...
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4019 [23:44:26] <Tom-_> i think it's officially part of Debian but i'm not sure
4020 [23:44:39] <Tom-_> i think it's trustworthy though :)
4021 [23:46:07] <mcint> what package does `dig` come in, I'm trying to check if its compiled with +sigchase -- per the man page
4022 [23:46:17] <mcint> base? net utils??
4023 [23:46:29] <jmcnaught> !debian.net
4024 [23:46:29] <dpkg> The "debian.net" domain points at unofficial resources maintained by Debian Developers. The resources are usually not managed or controlled by the Debian sysadmin group, unlike debian.org machines. See replaced-url
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4026 [23:47:35] <Tom-_> dnsutils
4027 [23:47:52] <mcint> thank you
4028 [23:47:57] <Tom-_> there's a Contents-amd64.gz file on the mirrors you can use to answer the "which package is this in" question
4029 [23:48:05] <Tom-_> or i386.gz, etc
4030 [23:48:37] <mcint> just about to ask how, muchas gracias
4031 [23:49:11] <jmcnaught> or install apt-file, or look it up on replaced-url
4032 [23:49:58] <mcint> right, package search online should've been obvious..
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4036 [23:50:49] <HoloIRCUser1> Hey guys in my fresh new installation of debian everything works greatly
4037 [23:50:55] <HoloIRCUser1> It's fast and beautiful
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4039 [23:51:07] <HoloIRCUser1> But I cant lower the brightness!
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4042 [23:51:56] <HoloIRCUser1> And I'm such a lover of lightful themes, so a 17" laptop screen with brightness at maximum in the middle of the night...
4043 [23:52:00] <HoloIRCUser1> I need sunglasses
4044 [23:52:04] <HoloIRCUser1> How can I fix this?
4045 [23:52:29] <Tom-_> does your laptop have brightness buttons?
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4047 [23:53:16] <ryouma> HoloIRCUser1: on oftc somebody said that xbacklight and ddccontrol failed in stretch even though it worked in jessie. this is a major concern. dunno if it is relevant.
4048 [23:54:38] <HoloIRCUser1> ryouma: I think it is any debian 8 based installation works perfectly
4049 [23:54:45] <HoloIRCUser1> Uff
4050 [23:55:01] * ryouma uses ddccontrol in jessie + redshift to lower brightness by software further (although that kills contrast to almost illegible-text levels) + wearing uvex amber goggles and it is not dim enough
4051 [23:55:07] <HoloIRCUser1> So no way to fix this?
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4053 [23:55:34] <ryouma> i don't know
4054 [23:55:41] <ryouma> but i am going to not upgrade
4055 [23:55:47] <HoloIRCUser1> Damn
4056 [23:55:47] <Tom-_> maybe someone else will later
4057 [23:55:55] <HoloIRCUser1> Id liked to fine out earlier
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4062 [23:57:12] <ryouma> google is showing nothing
4063 [23:57:25] <HoloIRCUser1> Yeah i know
4064 [23:57:27] <blawiz> can "AppleDouble encoded Macintosh file" be read on debian? downloaded a torrent with lots of folders and hidden files with this filetype
4065 [23:57:32] <HoloIRCUser1> I didn't find any explanation yo that
4066 [23:57:38] <jmcnaught> HoloIRCUser1: what have you tried? just because one person had problems on their computer doesn't mean your computer will have the same problems.
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4068 [23:58:48] <HoloIRCUser1> jmcnaught: I tried all tutorials I found on the net, also tweaking the backlight folder
4069 [23:59:10] <HoloIRCUser1> I've been able to lower max brightness to 56 didn't change anything
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4074 [23:59:54] <jmcnaught> i don't know what all the tutorials on the net say, or what backlight folder you mean. Did brightness controls work for you on an earlier Debian release, or a different distro?
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