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• 46[00:18:14] <zerocool> hi everyone just really quickly i have been having a lot of issue with the switch to the newer openssl lib with stretch is there a way for my production machines i can use the older lib?
• 47[00:19:07] <zerocool> like can i downgrade just the openssl lib to 1.0.1 for my stretch machines until applications support 1.1.0
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• 51[00:20:24] <jmcnaught> zerocool: you can add the repos for jessie and install libssl1.0.0 alongside the libssl1.0.2 package from stretch, with the caveat that security support for the jessie package will end sooner
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• 53[00:21:26] <zerocool> jmcnaught: ahh, i can have both libs side-by-side!?
• 54[00:22:05] <zerocool> so i basically would just add the jessie repos to apt/sources.list.d and specifically install openssl from those sources... yeah?
• 55[00:22:14] <jmcnaught> yeah
• 56[00:22:18] <zerocool> dope
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• 59[00:22:54] <jmcnaught> you can use "apt-get -t jessie -s install libssl1.0.0" as a regular user to see what would happen (once you add jessie sources)
• 60[00:23:09] <vlt> Hi! Maybe someone here knows what I fail to find anywhere about rdiff-backup: Is it safe to delete the .snapshot.gz or .diff.gz of single files from the target’s increments directory if I decide that I no longer need to restore them? I mean without corrupting the rest of the backup?
• 61[00:23:16] <zerocool> okay then one more q, how can i use one lib over the other if they are side-by-side, while generating keys etc
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• 64[00:24:43] <zerocool> i have an application... filebeat/logstash which rely on the older lib, if on a stretch machine i want to generate keys for this application how can i specifiy to generate the keys with the old lib
• 65[00:25:09] <zerocool> as things are right now i just have to find a jessie machine to generate the keys
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• 71[00:28:22] <jmcnaught> zerocool: the openssl command is in the openssl package. For the legacy applications you need to run, you should just need the library package libssl1.0.0. You want to keep using the openssl package from stretch
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• 86[00:32:33] <zerocool> jmcnaught: i can specify the lib with /usr/bin/openssl ?
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• 89[00:34:00] <zerocool> problem is with jessie i run openssl to generate a keypair and distribute the .crt to all of the clients, so they can connect back to the server
• 90[00:34:09] <zerocool> with stretch the same keys will not work
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• 92[00:34:30] <zerocool> i have to generate the keys on a jessie machine and then give the stretch server the key and the clients the .crt
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• 95[00:36:14] <zerocool> elastic.co's filebeat/logstash is not the only application i've had an issue with though, also Microsoft's Powershell relies on the old lib
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• 100[00:38:01] <jmcnaught> zerocool: the openssl package from stretch is going to be linked to the libssl1.0.2 library. You may need to continue generating certificates on a jessie system, or stay on jessie until the software you run catches up to the newer version in stretch
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• 102[00:39:18] <zerocool> jmcnaught: perfect, thanks for the info, i appreciate it.
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• 132[00:53:20] <HazardX> I just did an upgrade to 9.1, and now my networking dosen't come up at boot....where do I look to fix this?
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• 135[00:54:41] <zerocool> HazardX: the network interface name scheme has changed
• 136[00:55:06] <HazardX> zerocool, oh?
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• 138[00:55:09] <HazardX> cuz its still eth0
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• 140[00:55:17] <HazardX> which is what it was before.
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• 142[00:55:29] <zerocool> do an ifconfig to see your interface names and update your /etc/network/interfaces
• 143[00:55:50] <HazardX> zerocool, that is the first thing I checked (in addition to making sure the file wasn't wiped)
• 144[00:56:01] <zerocool> oh yeah... that's right if you do an upgrade from jessie it doesn't change
• 145[00:56:03] <zerocool> i read that
• 146[00:56:08] <zerocool> so... nevermind :)
• 147[00:56:30] <HazardX> if it were persistatnt interface naming problems I'd know what to do, but it seems like init is never even TRYING to start networking
• 148[00:56:46] <HazardX> and I'm not sure what to do about that in debian (usually I'm on gentoo or redhat)
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• 150[00:57:03] <zerocool> do you have the machine handy now?
• 151[00:57:14] <HazardX> yea, its actually A VM, its up now
• 152[00:57:20] <zerocool> the machine boots and doesn't get a network connection yeah?
• 153[00:57:23] <HazardX> yea
• 154[00:57:47] <HazardX> if I manually run the ifconfig commands to give it an IP and route (which is what the static config is supposed to) it works
• 155[00:57:57] <zerocool> when you... ip addr does everything look okay or what does it show for your if
• 156[00:58:07] <HazardX> I don't have ip addr.
• 157[00:58:13] <HazardX> or the 'ip' command rather
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• 159[00:58:17] <HazardX> which I did think was strange
• 160[00:58:17] <zerocool> in stretch that's all's i got!
• 161[00:58:29] <zerocool> ip addr not "net-tools" ifconfig
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• 163[00:58:58] <HazardX> I know, i don't have the 'ip' command (for some reason)
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• 165[00:59:06] <zerocool> yeah that is strange i've had ip since like... pre-jessie
• 166[00:59:13] <zerocool> when i was in jessie testing
• 167[00:59:19] <HazardX> well, this system*WAS* created in like debian 6
• 168[00:59:24] <HazardX> and upgraded...numerous times
• 169[00:59:29] <zerocool> wowzer
• 170[00:59:39] <HazardX> so I'm not really surprised if I'm missing something
• 171[01:00:52] <zerocool> i wonder where the ip command comes from
• 172[01:00:57] <zerocool> maybe you need that if you don't have it
• 173[01:00:59] <HazardX> iproute2 package
• 174[01:01:06] <zerocool> do you have that?
• 175[01:01:08] <HazardX> (I'm installing and rebooting to see if that fixes it)
• 176[01:01:10] <HazardX> I didn't.
• 177[01:01:25] <zerocool> perfect
• 178[01:01:46] <HazardX> though I also have to wonder why 'systemctl status' isn't working
• 179[01:01:57] <HazardX> it'd be helpful to know what systemctl thinks the interface status is
• 180[01:02:08] <zerocool> o
• 181[01:02:12] <zerocool> i have never heard of that
• 182[01:02:28] <jmcnaught> HazardX: you are trying "systemctl status networking" ?
• 183[01:02:39] <zerocool> ^
• 184[01:02:56] <HazardX> jmcnaught, I'm ttrying to figure out what the initsystem thinks the status of networking is, or list-units (which also dosen't work)
• 185[01:03:07] <HazardX> but I might actually need to take a step back and figure out if systemd itself is working
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• 189[01:03:33] <HazardX> And, no, just having the ip command didn't fix anything :D
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• 191[01:04:04] <zerocool> HazardX: now you ip addr and it shows you sane results?
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• 193[01:04:20] <HazardX> zerocool, yea, untiL i manaully add the Ips so I can get ssh to work
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• 195[01:04:44] <zerocool> HazardX: the interfaces aren't already configured?
• 196[01:04:57] <HazardX> no, they don't come up that way
• 197[01:05:27] <HazardX> Ooooohhh I think I'm missing part of systemd
• 198[01:06:02] <zerocool> that would be strange... are you coming from 6 to 9?
• 199[01:06:16] <zerocool> or 8 to 9 having originally come from 6
• 200[01:06:17] <HazardX> 8 to 9, but openrc was installed at some point
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• 203[01:06:43] <HazardX> (though "in the past" the system was 6->7->8[openrc])
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• 206[01:06:52] <zerocool> right right
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• 208[01:07:00] <zerocool> im not sure what openrc is
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• 210[01:07:12] <HazardX> its an alternate to systemd
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• 213[01:07:17] <HazardX> (or sysv-init)
• 214[01:07:20] <zerocool> gross
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• 216[01:08:00] <zerocool> i grew up on sysvinit and had to learn systemd which is as bad as everyone says... but adding another initsystem... im not sure what would happen
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• 218[01:08:21] <zerocool> is not as bad*
• 219[01:08:27] <zerocool> systemd isn't that bad at all*
• 220[01:08:48] <HazardX> well, when this VM saw heavy use, it worked great (and meant that I got to use it like gentoo, which is what I used more often at the time)
• 221[01:08:58] <HazardX> in general, I've found systemd is okay under redhat
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• 224[01:09:18] <HazardX> but when I need to do 'weird' thinkgs, systemd is a monsterous pain
• 225[01:09:42] <jmcnaught> maybe there's a less weird systemd way of doing those things…
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• 227[01:10:04] <zerocool> yeah i was going to say anytime i need to do something weird i can just trick systemd into helping :)
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• 231[01:10:56] <HazardX> jmcnaught/zerocool: that *IS* true, however being able to edit full initstartup behavior is often more useful to me than having to fight with systemd units
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• 236[01:12:51] <HazardX> ah...well now systemctl status is working
• 237[01:13:28] <zerocool> HazardX: that's the catch to automation though, anytime you automate for an environment... you have to be careful in upgrading to a new one
• 238[01:14:02] <HazardX> zerocool, indeed, I'd thought this was okay for the upgrade (since I thought I'd undone all the strange stuff)
• 239[01:14:06] <HazardX> buuut, apparently I was wrong
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• 242[01:15:51] <zerocool> I haven't upgraded jessie to stretch yet so i can't really say... :(
• 243[01:16:04] <zerocool> from what i've read you should have no issues with your network adapters though
• 244[01:16:11] <zerocool> what's dmesg say about them?
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• 247[01:16:29] <HazardX> well, systemd dosen't seem to have any idea about 'networking' or, I'm not looing for the right service
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• 249[01:17:02] <HazardX> zerocool, dmesg knows nothing, the hardware is up and works, it just gets no config
• 250[01:17:23] <zerocool> when you 'systemctl status networking' what does it say?
• 251[01:17:28] <jmcnaught> HazardX: if you configure networking with /etc/network/interfaces then it is the networking.service unit that brings it up
• 252[01:17:50] <HazardX> systemctl status networking: Unit networking.service could not be found.
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• 254[01:17:57] <HazardX> so I imagine that's the probelm.
• 255[01:17:59] <HazardX> :D
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• 257[01:18:10] <zerocool> yeah and what do you see in /etc/systemd/system ?
• 258[01:18:46] <HazardX> nothing related to networking.service
• 259[01:18:50] <jmcnaught> it should be in /lib/systemd/system/networking.service
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• 261[01:18:59] <zerocool> yeah sounds like you don't have the unit files...
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• 263[01:19:43] <zerocool> maybe when you upgrade to systemd it knows how to convert sysvinit to systemd unit files but not from openwhatever
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• 265[01:19:52] <zerocool> and so you just don't have the unit files
• 266[01:20:09] <HazardX> I am missing networking.service
• 267[01:20:26] <HazardX> (IE, I have no /lib/systemd/system/networking.service)
• 268[01:20:40] <jmcnaught> HazardX: it is in the ifupdown package
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• 270[01:21:06] <HazardX> jmcnaught, thanks, that's what I was looking for
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• 274[01:23:46] <brontosaurusrex> a way to start x via remote session?
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• 276[01:24:00] <HazardX> jmcnaught/zerocool: it works now thanks guys!
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• 278[01:25:28] <zerocool> :D
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• 284[01:29:11] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: what are you wanting to do? Are you wanting to run x programs on your remote machine on your client?
• 285[01:29:36] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, nope, nvidia-settings stuff, from cli
• 286[01:29:52] <brontosaurusrex> Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused ¸ is what i get
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• 288[01:30:49] <brontosaurusrex> a workaround might be to enable lightdm autologin, but that didnt work either
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• 290[01:31:22] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: you can't run startx over ssh. Why are you wanting to run nvidia-settings remotelly?
• 291[01:31:34] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, overclocking
• 292[01:31:37] <somiaj> as in what are you trying to achive by running nvidia settins remotely
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• 295[01:31:54] <somiaj> but why do you want to overclock remotely, seems like a strange request.
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• 298[01:32:15] <brontosaurusrex> overclocking settings are not preserved over reboot
• 299[01:32:19] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: trying to figure out the end goal as it makes it easier to give a resonable solution.
• 300[01:32:25] <brontosaurusrex> sure
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• 302[01:34:11] <somiaj> so your real issue is you want overclocking settings from nvidia-settings to save over reboot?
• 303[01:34:47] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, yes, and i have script working, but it needs running x
• 304[01:34:59] <brontosaurusrex> as it seems ...
• 305[01:35:28] <brontosaurusrex> i mean no, i wrote a script to overcome that, but it needs x
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• 308[01:35:40] <somiaj> well you can run the script from some autostart program in your DE/WM as opposed to running it when the system starts.
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• 312[01:36:14] <somiaj> depending on the DE/WM this may require putting a .desktop file in .local/share/autostart (or something like that)
• 313[01:36:19] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, ok, so the question would be: how to enable autologin with lightdm in stretch?
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• 315[01:37:55] <somiaj> you shouldn't need autologin for this
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• 318[01:39:22] <APLU> brontosaurusrex: but if you want to enable autologin, go check /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf (and autologin options)
• 319[01:40:23] <brontosaurusrex> APLU, yeah, its weird, it is working on local machine
• 320[01:40:30] <brontosaurusrex> the lightdm.conf i mean
• 321[01:40:37] <brontosaurusrex> but not on this remote host
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• 323[01:41:10] <somiaj> again why do you want a remote host to autologin to x?
• 324[01:41:22] <APLU> brontosaurusrex: you sure you don't have an other DM installed (like kdm or gdm)?
• 325[01:41:24] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, so i have x running
• 326[01:41:39] <brontosaurusrex> APLU, absolutely sure.
• 327[01:41:41] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: why do you need x running on a remote host?
• 328[01:41:53] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, cos the scripts seems to want it
• 329[01:42:20] <APLU> and yeah… don't know why people want an x running a remote host if there is no screen and no-one to look at it… but anyway
• 330[01:42:47] <APLU> time to sleep here, bye (and good luck) :)
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• 332[01:43:21] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: are these your overlocking scripts?
• 333[01:43:39] <somiaj> brontosaurusrex: why do you want to remote host to have overclocking setup?
• 334[01:43:44] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, yes, replaced-url
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• 336[01:44:06] <brontosaurusrex> I'am guessing i dont understand the nvidia function
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• 340[01:44:40] <somiaj> what is the point of running this script on a remote host? What advantage are you going to get from overclocking a video card that won't be being used?
• 341[01:45:22] <brontosaurusrex> :) 3d rendering, maybe mining
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• 346[01:49:04] <somiaj> hmm, unsure how much you would gain by all the extra resources needed to run a full xorg. But you need to ensure that the remote host can run xorg, and if it is headless, it may not have an EDID monintor causing problems.
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• 352[01:53:58] <somiaj> but check your xorg logs and figure out what is not working about xorg on the remote server. You may have to play with the xorg.conf file (maybe even provide a fake edid) to get it to launch on a headless system.
• 353[01:54:44] <brontosaurusrex> somiaj, it appears "systemctl restart lightdm.service" did the trick ...
• 354[01:55:00] <brontosaurusrex> and maybe adding stuff to xorg.conf
• 355[01:56:01] <somiaj> more liekly modifing xorg.conf
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• 357[01:56:33] <somiaj> the service should have started jsut fin to start with.
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• 359[01:58:39] <brontosaurusrex> sudo nvidia-xconfig -a --cool-bits=12 --allow-empty-initial-configuration ¸ is what i did
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• 364[02:02:16] <brontosaurusrex> ok, that was badly wasted hours..., somiaj : thanks.
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• 379[02:12:17] <hanasaki> is exim in debian 9 compiled against openssl or gnutls?
• 380[02:14:00] <AlexLikeRock> somiaj, o/
• 381[02:14:01] <AlexLikeRock> log time
• 382[02:15:03] <somiaj> hanasaki: apt-cache policy exim4 should list its depends, you can also look at the source package for more info
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• 385[02:15:45] <hanasaki> it doesn't / somiaj
• 386[02:16:31] <somiaj> hanasaki: look at the different exim packages that get pulled in, exim4-daemon-heavy depends on libgnutls30
• 387[02:16:45] <somiaj> same thing with the light daemon
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• 390[02:19:28] <hanasaki> somiaj: what are you refering to? see there is no dependencies ... replaced-url
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• 392[02:22:49] <hanasaki> replaced-url
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• 394[02:22:58] <abrotman> not generally
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• 399[02:30:21] <brontosaurusrex> Could it be that lightdm doesnt even start if headless is detected?
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• 403[02:38:21] <badargo> what is the command to check if debian now sees my nvidia?
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• 598[05:04:59] <tharkun> Aloha, I used to select stuff on one terminal and paste it on a root terminal but now that seems to be imposible. How can I revert back to the original behaviour? It is a pita to copy/paste config lines to keep systems running.
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• 600[05:06:24] <tharkun> And it doesn't even work from one terminal to another even when both are invoked as root. WTF is wrong with it?
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• 604[05:10:14] <klys> tharkun, gpm?
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• 608[05:15:09] <tharkun> klys: Up until versison 8 there was no need for gpm You just selected as regular and pasted with the middle button. It seems someone decided that standard was fubar and they just deprecated without a notice or a heads up for users. Really nice fubar this time. It seems 9 will be as bumpy as edge. That and a few other rather awfull instabilities specially under kvm and also as host.
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• 610[05:15:38] <tharkun> s/edge/etch/
• 611[05:16:53] <klys> can't you have the gpm version of your choice?
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• 618[05:23:26] <tharkun> klys: lots of stuff changed under X I am just frustrated. I did install gpm as soon as you mentioned it. It is not working as intended. Sorry for disturbing you.
• 619[05:24:38] <tharkun> The biggest nuisance is that there is a big inconsistency on the behaviour of terminals between different users.
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• 621[05:24:55] <tharkun> That is a recipie for trouble.
• 622[05:25:01] <klys> gpm is intended to be used outside of X.
• 623[05:25:07] <jmcnaught> tharkun: the selection buffer is what this is called, and traditionally it is separate from the clipboard. Some desktops might merge it with the clipboard, or disable it altogether. Also try a different terminal emulator, or test if selection buffer works in text editors
• 624[05:25:30] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Did it fails horribly.
• 625[05:25:40] <tharkun> Did it, fails horribly.
• 626[05:25:48] <klys> also xclip might be some help
• 627[05:26:09] <jmcnaught> tharkun: also if you are copying almost the same config to more than one server you should consider using something like ansible or puppet to push config files to systems
• 628[05:26:22] <klys> for example, xclip -o | xclip -selection clipboard
• 629[05:26:26] <klys> or vice versa
• 630[05:26:44] <tharkun> jmcnaught: I use salt for that. It is the initial config template that I copy from here to there that is beeing a pita.
• 631[05:27:18] <jmcnaught> well you haven't even said which DE or WM you're using…
• 632[05:27:47] <tharkun> WM is gnome and DE have bee several.
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• 634[05:28:46] <jmcnaught> tharkun: is middle-click pate enabled in tweak tool under keyboard and mouse?
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• 636[05:31:32] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Sorry I didn't understand that last line.
• 637[05:32:01] <tharkun> As for the DE I am using gnome just to be consistent with the WM.
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• 641[05:33:28] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Yes it is.
• 642[05:33:51] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Do you think it is gnome related?
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• 655[05:43:45] <jmcnaught> tharkun: if it doesn't work in any application, it could be GNOME or it could be something running interfering with it, like a clipboard manager program
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• 661[05:48:12] <AN0NYM> hi
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• 668[05:52:02] <tharkun> jmcnaught: It seems to be only vim when runned under root. The configuration of it all is just not right.
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• 672[05:53:45] <tharkun> jmcnaught: It is defenetly only vim configuration. Thanks for helping me point out the isue.
• 673[05:53:46] <jmcnaught> tharkun: so middle-click to paste works in gedit for example? vim is compiled with libgpm2 which allows it to receive mouse events from (some, all?) terminal emulators
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• 675[05:54:03] <tharkun> klys: sorry for beeing rude.
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• 677[05:55:03] <jmcnaught> tharkun: i haven't really noticed it because if I need to paste something into vim I am more likely to use shift+ctrl+v
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• 679[05:55:12] <tharkun> jmcnaught: yes it works under root and normal users fine. It is defenetly vim the one missbehaving It is vim-nox the one that I am running at the momment so a dive into its root/default config file should fix it.
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• 682[05:55:58] <tharkun> jmcnaught: That is if you use gnome terminal if you use something lighter you tend to use the selection buffer it is faster and very efficient.
• 683[05:56:00] <jmcnaught> tharkun: vim can actually paste from the X11 clipboard if you wanted to go that route
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• 685[05:56:25] <tharkun> jmcnaught: yes through registers but using the selection buffer is lazier
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• 688[05:56:54] <jmcnaught> it's more that my middle button is a wheel that is difficult to click without rolling, and i don't like the middle click emulation
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• 691[05:57:52] <tharkun> jmcnaught: yes I know but since I use either xterm or urxvt that seems not to be a big problem.
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• 698[06:05:39] <tharkun> jmcnaught: For some reason vim is not respecting the global vimrc file and introducing stuff that is not meant to be.
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• 707[06:08:34] <jmcnaught> tharkun: related to the note in /usr/share/doc/vim-common/NEWS.Debian.gz?
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• 715[06:11:47] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Yes, so it seems I was arriving to that point. You save me like 30 minutes. Thanks
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• 717[06:12:51] <jmcnaught> whenever there's a big behavioural change in a Debian package always look in /usr/share/doc/package for NEWS, README.Debian, and the changelogs
• 718[06:12:59] <jmcnaught> … first
• 719[06:13:24] <wikiuser0> Hi, all. I wrote a shared library for bit array operations. Would like to see it in Debian. Any chance to find a sponsor here?
• 720[06:13:29] <tharkun> jmcnaught: Thanks :) Old dog learning new tricks
• 721[06:13:42] <tharkun> !sponsor
• 722[06:13:42] <dpkg> i guess sponsor is a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. See replaced-url
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• 724[06:14:29] <tharkun> wikiuser0: There is a channel for that. It eludes my memory at the time. But query alice about it.
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• 727[06:15:48] <wikiuser0> tharkun: OK, so it's not here. Thank you. Now... who's Alice?
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• 736[06:20:36] <tharkun> wikiuser0: Alice is freenode bot to search for channels but IIRC Oftc seems to host most of #debian channels. IIRC also there is a #debian-mentor or similar that can lend you a willing hand.
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• 738[06:21:33] <jmcnaught> wikiuser0: #debian-mentors on irc.oftc.net (not freenode)
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• 740[06:22:03] <tharkun> Long time no use that channel :)
• 741[06:22:41] <wikiuser0> jmcnaught: Thank you!
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• 752[06:26:41] <tharkun> jmcnaught: vim is behaving as expected. One of the first lines of my Salt stack is to update my .vimrc file therefore I didn't notice the difference in behaviour. Thanks again for pointing me to the correct file. Have a nice weekend or whatever is left of it. :D
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• 754[06:27:14] <jmcnaught> tharkun: glad you got it all figured out ☺
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• 759[06:30:23] <preview_> could anyone help me with a package conflict when installing libsdl2-dev:i386?
• 760[06:30:30] <preview_> something with udev and systemd
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• 762[06:30:44] <preview_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
• 763[06:30:44] <preview_> libpam-systemd : Depends: systemd (= 234-2)
• 764[06:30:44] <preview_> udev : Breaks: systemd (< 233-4)
• 765[06:30:44] <preview_> Breaks: systemd:i386 (< 233-4)
• 766[06:30:44] <preview_> E: Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.
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• 777[06:39:03] <jmcnaught> preview_: hi ☺ please use replaced-url
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• 780[06:39:25] <preview_> thanks, jmcnaught
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• 787[06:45:54] <well_laid_lawn> heh, unstable users
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• 791[06:47:12] <xormor> should I do "apt -t strech-backports update" and "apt -t stretch-backports upgrade"? I am using Debian stable, stretch, 9.1.
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• 814[06:59:51] <Agiofws> hello \
• 815[07:00:21] <Agiofws> i've managed to install debian through the live installer cd but now i do't have a root user anyideas to active it ?
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• 819[07:00:59] <Agiofws> sudo ifconfig -a [sudo] password for agiofws: agiofws is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported.
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• 821[07:01:56] <tx> Expect the police at any moment.
• 822[07:02:07] <tx> Agiofws: please use "su" and enter the root password
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• 825[07:02:57] <Agiofws> Authentication failure
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• 827[07:03:00] <Agiofws> tx
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• 829[07:03:01] <tx> afterwards, you can add your user to the sudoers file :)
• 830[07:03:07] <tx> not the right password then!
• 831[07:03:30] <Agiofws> i'm sure its the right one
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• 833[07:03:57] <Agiofws> the only way now is it boot through the live cd and do what ?
• 834[07:04:08] <Agiofws> chroot?
• 835[07:04:10] <Agiofws> nope
• 836[07:04:17] <tx> You could do that.
• 837[07:04:28] <tx> And then as root use passwd to change the root password on the installed systemn.,
• 838[07:04:47] <Agiofws> chroot?
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• 840[07:05:05] <tx> yes
• 841[07:05:24] <Agiofws> hmm
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• 843[07:05:30] <cheapie> Either that or boot with init=/bin/bash and rw, then use passwd.
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• 846[07:06:30] * Agiofws is just anxious installing the through live installer and not through the net install will cause other problems aswell maybe the live installer installs crippled version of debian :P
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• 848[07:06:49] <Agiofws> cheapie: through grub do i issue that?
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• 851[07:07:21] <cheapie> Yes. Instead of pressing enter, press E to edit the commands.
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• 854[07:08:00] <Agiofws> and where do i issue that ? do i delete the whole command line or just add it?
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• 856[07:08:05] <cheapie> Find the line that mentions "vmlinuz", and add "init=/bin/bash" to the end of it. If it says "ro" anywhere, change that to "rw". Press F10 when done.
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• 858[07:08:59] <cheapie> That should, in theory, get you to a shell. From there, use passwd to set a root password, and then "mount / -o remount,ro" to make sure all changes are written to disk.
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• 860[07:09:19] <Agiofws> no chroot then right ?
• 861[07:09:26] <Agiofws> just those commands above?
• 862[07:09:27] <cheapie> That will not require a chroot.
• 863[07:09:42] <cheapie> Make sure you are booting from the hard drive and not the install media, however.
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• 866[07:10:48] <cheapie> After the "mount / -o remount,ro" line, reboot the computer. You don't have init, so "reboot" won't work. You'll have to use your reset button, if you have one, or otherwise hold down the power button until it shuts off.
• 867[07:11:02] <cheapie> (by the way, if you want to see what a kernel panic looks like, type "exit" :P)
• 868[07:11:21] <Agiofws> ok
• 869[07:11:32] <Agiofws> rebooting going through grub
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• 872[07:12:29] <cheapie> If passwd gives an error about not being able to write to disk, then do "mount / -o remount,rw" and try again.
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• 898[07:24:14] <Agiofws_f> ok cheapie worked
• 899[07:24:54] <Agiofws_f> something is wrong with synaptic maybe its passwd issue or something still sits there after authentication
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• 902[07:26:40] <cheapie> Running X stuff as root has always been problematic for me.
• 903[07:26:58] <cheapie> (not a big deal for my use case, as I just use something else instead)
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• 920[07:37:34] <Agiofws_f> cheapie: Another synaptic is running. Trying to bring it to the foreground ?
• 921[07:37:55] <cheapie> Maybe it's running and you just can't see it? Dunno.
• 922[07:38:49] <Agiofws_f> /home/agiofws# pidof synaptic
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• 924[07:39:30] <Agiofws_f> can't run from terminal it just sits there
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• 931[07:51:33] <well_laid_lawn> should never run x as root
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• 1037[08:44:02] <siraben> I keep getting NO_PUBKEY errors in apt-get despite having done gpg receive-keys
• 1038[08:44:07] <siraben> W: GPG error: replaced-url
• 1039[08:44:09] <siraben> W: The repository 'replaced-url
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• 1041[08:45:16] <siraben> And when I do gpg --receive-keys <8B48AD...>
• 1042[08:45:25] <siraben> gpg: key 8B48AD6246925553: "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>" not changed gpg: Total number processed: 1 gpg: unchanged: 1
• 1043[08:45:32] <siraben> Werid
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• 1050[08:50:37] <deego> have you insalled debian-keyring etc.?
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• 1052[08:51:55] <siraben> Yeah
• 1053[08:52:20] <siraben> Is it not adding it to the trusted keys?
• 1054[08:52:26] <siraben> gpg --receive-keys
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• 1056[08:53:03] <deego> what bout debian-archive-keyring ?
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• 1058[08:53:23] <deego> and bascially all *-keyring pkgs
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• 1060[08:55:15] <siraben> debian-archive-keyring is installed
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• 1064[08:57:19] <siraben> What's with the Get and Ign notes on during apt-update?
• 1065[08:57:21] <siraben> Get:6 replaced-url
• 1066[08:57:24] <siraben> Ign:6 replaced-url
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• 1097[09:16:22] <assassinpinapple> hello everyone. I have a debian jessie on an asus eeepc 1001pxd. From around a week, while I use it it freezes. That means, nothing works, no hotkeys, no mouse, no terminal. I can't find a pattern, it's not always on the same program or anything. I have to wait until it goes into sleep mode and then it just wakes up by pressing anything, I can login again and use it normally. Until next freeze. Any help on how to debug this?
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• 1103[09:18:01] <siraben> Is it a hardware problem?
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• 1107[09:19:23] <well_laid_lawn> reseat the memory a couple of times if it is an older device
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• 1110[09:20:05] <assassinpinapple> siraben, it would be weird as after the sleepmode it works
• 1111[09:20:15] <assassinpinapple> well_laid_lawn, how can I reset the memory?
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• 1115[09:20:32] <assassinpinapple> this is what I think is the relevant output of my /var/log/syslog: replaced-url
• 1116[09:20:33] <siraben> Do you have an SSD or a hard drive?
• 1117[09:20:34] <well_laid_lawn> reseat not reset
• 1118[09:20:45] <assassinpinapple> siraben, hdd
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• 1122[09:21:07] <well_laid_lawn> power off and remove/replace the memory sticks a couple of times
• 1123[09:21:31] <assassinpinapple> well_laid_lawn, and then just power it on again. Ok, I'll give it a try, thanks
• 1124[09:21:31] <siraben> Do you have other OSes to check the hdd?
• 1125[09:21:39] <well_laid_lawn> if it is an older device
• 1126[09:21:44] <maxcell_> I have 2 HDD's. One is on EFI mode and has windows 10. The other i want to install linux with grub in MBR. Can i do that and choose in the Bios what HDD i want to boot? This way the windows bootloader wont be touched?
• 1127[09:22:12] <siraben> That seems possible
• 1128[09:22:25] <assassinpinapple> siraben, I can start one by usb to do the memtest
• 1129[09:22:45] <siraben> Nice
• 1130[09:23:33] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: to clarify, you lose the ability to do input, do things continue on the screen, movies or animated gifs for example? And then it goes to sleep after the normal amount of time with no input as if it were idle?
• 1131[09:25:01] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, nothing continues on the screen, has never happened while gifs or videos were going on so I wouldn't know. then it goes to sleep as you say, yes
• 1132[09:25:28] <maxcell_> wow
• 1133[09:25:30] <siraben> Have you modified any system files?
• 1134[09:25:55] <maxcell_> that sounds insane
• 1135[09:26:04] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: does the clock on your desktop freeze its time?
• 1136[09:26:18] <assassinpinapple> well, nothing that seems relevant, only staff in /etc/ to configure programs
• 1137[09:26:22] <maxcell_> insanely bad
• 1138[09:26:24] <siraben> I would try booting a live USB and use it and see if it still freezes
• 1139[09:26:27] <jmcnaught> what happens if you close the lid?
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• 1141[09:26:48] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, if I close the lid it doesn't go into sleep mode, I don't know about the clock as I don't usually have it at hand
• 1142[09:27:24] <siraben> For some computers Debian doesn't sleep when the lid is closed
• 1143[09:27:25] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, if I close the lid it should go into sleep though
• 1144[09:27:45] <assassinpinapple> siraben, in my case it should, if it's not frozen it goes into sleep normally
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• 1146[09:28:02] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: while you are figuring it out i suggest you leave something animated or a clock always visible on the desktop. Can you make a paste with a larger log sample of the time around when it happens? And also /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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• 1148[09:28:25] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, sure, just a sec
• 1149[09:28:48] <siraben> What would it mean if the clock stopped or didn't stop?
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• 1152[09:29:11] <maxcell_> i think that means that the xorg is running ok?
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• 1154[09:29:37] <maxcell_> and that isn't a graphical problem, just imput?
• 1155[09:29:40] <jmcnaught> siraben: whether video is still being updated, and it's only mouse and keyboard
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• 1157[09:30:07] <siraben> Right I see
• 1158[09:30:23] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: if you have another computer or an android phone i would also see if you can ssh into the computer when it's in this frozen state
• 1159[09:30:49] <maxcell_> :D
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• 1163[09:31:28] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, more detailes syslog: replaced-url
• 1164[09:31:43] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, awesoe idea, I'll try to ssh into it
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• 1168[09:32:03] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: by the way the type of grub that is installed (efi or bios) is determined by how the installer was booted (efi or bios). The installer also asks you which drive it should install grub on to
• 1169[09:32:24] <siraben> X server stops according to the log
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• 1171[09:32:46] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, xorg.0.log: replaced-url
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• 1176[09:34:48] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, yes i understand, so i can do it right, the EFI will be untouched and i will preserve the windows bootloader and i will boot the linux when i want by changing to the bootable HDD that have the grub on mbr as i like?
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• 1178[09:36:32] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: grub can boot windows too. i have a dual boot system and windows starts no problem from the grub menu
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• 1182[09:37:56] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i know but windows is on EFI mode, i want to install linux on MBR, in another HDD
• 1183[09:38:07] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, grub in MBR wont boot windows on EFI
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• 1186[09:38:52] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: your log pastes look incomplete. if you want to show a complete file you can usually use pastebinit but if that isn't working you can use termbin like so: "nc termbin.com 9999 < /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
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• 1188[09:39:05] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: but why?
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• 1190[09:39:44] <jmcnaught> you cannot convert the partition table type of the linux drive for some reason?
• 1191[09:40:00] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, i just wanna know
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• 1193[09:40:25] <assassinpinapple> jmcnaught, it's just that the whole of syslog it's a huuge file, but I'll do it for both
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• 1199[09:42:24] <jmcnaught> if you boot the debian installer in bios mode, it will install grub-pc, and the installer will ask you which drive to install grub to. You will probably need to use for computer's firmware's boot selection menu, if your firmware is flexible enough to distinguish between hard drives
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• 1202[09:42:40] <jmcnaught> you also have the option of not installing grub
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• 1210[09:43:59] <jmcnaught> assassinpinapple: it's just hard to help troubleshoot with what seem like arbitrary selections from the logs. If you know the times that it happens at you could use journalctl's --since and --until options to make a paste
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• 1212[09:44:12] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, yes my bios let me choose between hard-drives on the init by pressing F8...
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• 1214[09:44:45] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, so i can boot HDD-1 EFI windows, and HDD-2 mbr grub in the bios without problem?
• 1215[09:45:02] <maxcell_> one wont touch the other
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• 1217[09:45:38] <jmcnaught> the debian installer will not touch a drive without your permission
• 1218[09:45:58] <maxcell_> sure, so the idea works
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• 1221[09:46:33] <maxcell_> what you mean by not installing grub at all? How debian will initiate without grub?
• 1222[09:46:34] <jmcnaught> it's not that different from booting from a live USB stick in BIOS mode
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• 1224[09:46:45] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, yeah you right
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• 1226[09:46:50] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, its the same thing
• 1227[09:46:52] <maxcell_> lol
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• 1229[09:48:30] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: some people use other bootloaders, or sometimes installing grub might fail in the installer but you can fix it without restarting the full installation by rebooting the installer in rescue mode
• 1230[09:49:11] <maxcell_> hmm
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• 1232[09:49:51] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, you make me think about something
• 1233[09:50:10] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, when you said about the usb stick boot
• 1234[09:50:28] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, we can boot the usb stick in EFI mode or MBR mode
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• 1236[09:50:59] * jmcnaught hands maxcell_ a comma
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• 1238[09:51:23] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, so if i install the grub on the second HDD in EFI mode, it won't touch my windows default bootloader at all?
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• 1240[09:51:44] <jmcnaught> not unless you tell it to
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• 1242[09:52:05] <maxcell_> omg
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• 1244[09:52:22] <maxcell_> so i can have 2 different EFi bootloaders at the same time :D
• 1245[09:52:56] <maxcell_> hahahah
• 1246[09:53:00] <jmcnaught> it's probably not a very well tested configuration
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• 1249[09:53:38] <jmcnaught> and actually i don't know how the debian installer will handle it if there is already an ESP partition present on the system
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• 1251[09:53:58] <maxcell_> hmmm
• 1252[09:54:23] <maxcell_> talking about ESP partition
• 1253[09:54:26] <maxcell_> how can i make one?
• 1254[09:54:29] <jmcnaught> i know about enough to get debian to boot about EFI, maybe a little more, which isn't a lot
• 1255[09:54:40] <jmcnaught> the debian installer will make one for you
• 1256[09:56:12] <jmcnaught> my only dual-boot system is a virtual machine using EFI, where I use grub as the primary boot loader
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• 1258[09:57:06] <maxcell_> in this second HDD, i have 3 partitions. 1- 500m ext4 (which i want it to be the ESP partition). 2- 400GB data (games). 3- 60GB linux. So i need to know how to make this 500mb partition an ESP partition i gess.
• 1259[09:57:17] <jmcnaught> so if you wanted to test it, you could make a VM with EFI firmware and two virtual disks, install windows on one, and linux on the other
• 1260[09:57:29] <jmcnaught> also i wouldn't attempt any of this without a working backup
• 1261[09:57:44] <vlt> Hello. How can I find out if /dev/sda is a SATA or IDE drive?
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• 1264[09:58:08] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, sure
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• 1266[09:58:37] <vlt> There's a /dev/disk/by-id/ata-SAMSUNG_SP0842N_... device. Does that tell me something?
• 1267[09:59:11] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, your right about that
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• 1269[10:00:18] <jmcnaught> vlt: there's a model there you could research
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• 1278[10:04:21] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, thank you jmc i gtg now
• 1279[10:05:25] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, cya
• 1280[10:05:39] <Mind-Crazy> Hi
• 1281[10:05:45] <jmcnaught> vlt: i don't have any ide disks but this suggests that if it were ide then it would be by-id/ide-SAMSUNG: replaced-url
• 1282[10:05:54] <jmcnaught> maxcell_: cheerr
• 1283[10:05:59] <jmcnaught> err, cheers
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• 1286[10:06:19] <jmcnaught> i got to go too actually, getting sloppy
• 1287[10:06:50] <maxcell_> jmcnaught, cheers, plus, if it was ide werent suppose to be /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda?
• 1288[10:07:18] <maxcell_> or not?
• 1289[10:07:32] <jmcnaught> i don't know it's been a long time
• 1290[10:07:41] <maxcell_> yeah haha
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• 1292[10:07:51] <maxcell_> well
• 1293[10:08:17] <maxcell_> thats my leave
• 1294[10:08:35] <maxcell_> bye
• 1295[10:08:40] <vlt> jmcnaught: Most Google search results for that model number say "IDE", only a few hits say "SATA" somewhere -- one of them while showing clearly an image of an IDE connector :-D
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• 1305[10:12:36] <jmcnaught> vlt: look at /lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules and "man udev" but now i have to go
• 1306[10:13:00] <vlt> jmcnaught: ok, thank you!
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• 1317[10:17:19] <marianna> hi!
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• 1320[10:17:42] <marianna> I'm trying to use TOR on Chromium with this command
• 1321[10:17:55] <marianna> chromium --proxy-server:socks5://127.0.0.1:9050
• 1322[10:18:04] <marianna> but it's not working...
• 1323[10:18:24] <marianna> on firefox tor works perfectly
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• 1327[10:23:26] <kion> marianna, why not just use the tor browser?
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• 1357[10:38:51] <sbine> Salut
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• 1394[10:53:51] <sysadmin5> Hello everyone, is there a way to install nvidia drivers newer than 375.26 from jessie-backports? I tried to install from nvidia site, but i breaks my kdm, xorg is missing and stuff... thanks
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• 1399[10:55:57] <petn-randall> ,v nvidia-driver
• 1400[10:55:58] <judd> Package: nvidia-driver on amd64 -- wheezy-backports/non-free: 340.102-1~bpo70+1; jessie/non-free: 340.102-1; jessie-backports/non-free: 375.66-1~bpo8+1; stretch/non-free: 375.66-1; buster/non-free: 375.66-2; sid/non-free: 375.66-2
• 1401[10:56:32] <petn-randall> sysadmin5: jessie-backports has 375.66 ...
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• 1403[10:57:17] <sysadmin5> petn-randall, Yes, my mistake, i have problem because dota2 vulkan doesn't work with 37x.xx
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• 1405[10:57:28] <sysadmin5> i need 38x.xx
• 1406[10:58:14] <petn-randall> sysadmin5: There's no newer version packaged yet. You could install from the nvidia site, but that broke a lot of system in the past because it was overwriting system files, etc.
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• 1408[10:58:46] <sysadmin5> petn-randall: thanks, yeah it breaks my system too... shit :)
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• 1430[11:13:02] <ttvv> in debian 9 there is still a folder /etc/init.d/
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• 1433[11:13:19] <ttvv> as debian is now using systemd what is this folder for?
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• 1450[11:19:39] <flyingkiwi> Since strech I can't finde a normal (aka standard) live iso image. All the available images are bundled with some kind of window manager. Thats what I need the least :) Any way to get a live iso without gui?
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• 1452[11:21:32] <troffasky> perhaps there is a no-GUI boot option?
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• 1455[11:21:49] <troffasky> if the reason you don't want GUI is space constraints you may have to roll your own
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• 1459[11:23:39] <DeadJew> roll your own?
• 1460[11:23:42] <DeadJew> weeeeeeeeeed
• 1461[11:23:59] <DeadJew> i liiike weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed!!!
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• 1472[11:30:44] <sysadmin5> I like it too, but on work now :(
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• 1523[12:08:44] <High_Priest> anyone here successfully installed debian 9 on a power platform? for me it gets stuck at "Quiescing Open Firmware ... Booting Linux via __start() @ 0x000000000a6f0000 ... " tried both power 7 and power 8. tried debian-9.1.0-ppc64el-netinst.iso and debian-9.0.0-ppc64el-DVD-1.iso
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• 1541[12:15:05] <High_Priest> nervermind my question, got the issue, does not support power 7 cpu, had to specifically set P8 cpu
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• 1561[12:20:49] <CuteAlien> Hi! How can I use reportbug to report a kernel bug which is _not_ for the kernel running on the system on which I use reportbug? It always wants to add current kernel information when I say package kernel...
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• 1563[12:23:23] <petn-randall> CuteAlien: It always helps using the machine that has the affected bug. But it it e.g. doesn't boot, just use the other machine and crop those parts off.
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• 1565[12:24:23] <CuteAlien> petn-randall, ah ok. Thanks.
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• 1567[12:25:48] <CuteAlien> petn-randall, the problem is not not booting, but I'll have to setup mail then for a live-cd (that's where it happens) - might try that as well I guess - just thought easier to report from my main system.
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• 1569[12:26:56] <petn-randall> CuteAlien: What is the issue on the live cd though?
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• 1572[12:27:36] <CuteAlien> petn-randoll: System freezes with Wacom Bamboo (which are really old and should have been fixed with newer kernels again - but seems they are not)
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• 1578[12:30:35] <CuteAlien> Thought I don't know if the freeze is caused by kernel or X11, so hard to tell which package should receive the report.
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• 1581[12:30:52] <CuteAlien> (both had caused troubles for this driver in the past it seems)
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• 1584[12:32:06] <CuteAlien> ups, sorry
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• 1635[12:57:06] <Svetlana> debian 8 - no text in an app under wine, wine's own dialogs look ok, installing corefonts and disabling dwrite does not help
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• 1637[12:57:47] <Svetlana> also asked in #winehq and ##linux, will share their progress if any
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• 1660[13:13:39] <petn-randall> !tell Svetlana -about crosspost
• 1661[13:14:24] <Svetlana> thanks, I'm putting manual effort into merging all discussions into one so far
• 1662[13:14:45] <Svetlana> which hopefully minimizes the damage
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• 1682[13:22:10] <forcerecon> /msg dpkg guidelines - anyone getting anything when they type this in #flood
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• 1685[13:24:19] <petn-randall> forcerecon: This will send a private message to dpkg with the keyword 'guidelines', irrelevant of which channel you're currently in.
• 1686[13:24:32] <petn-randall> forcerecon: You might have to remove the leading space.
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• 1689[13:26:23] <forcerecon> thanks petn-randall.. I was wondering where it was going..
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• 1691[13:26:32] <forcerecon> yeah I did that so it would show up here.
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• 1727[13:45:24] <grillon> Hi there
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• 1732[13:47:07] <Fjorgynn> no
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• 1757[13:55:26] <brontosaurusrex> to have once machine getting info from anothers, do i want ssh with keys or some other option? (Sort of a global log is what I need)
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• 1762[13:58:16] <brontosaurusrex> ssh some@host "doStuff" >> thisMachineFile.log ?
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• 1764[13:59:07] <brontosaurusrex> and q2: what to to use for log rotation? or do i need to script that as well?
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• 1800[14:11:16] <koollman> in preseed, is there a way to use a shell script to do the partitionning/raid/lvm setup, then let the installer use what was done ?
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• 1802[14:11:31] <koollman> I think I remember seeing something like that but I cannot find it in the documentations anymore
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• 1819[14:20:20] <pk64_work> I never would get this prior to Stretch. The Jenkins docker image now uses Stretch, and I get this with out linux proxy Unsupported proxy configured: http_proxy=<URL>. Is there a new method to implement this, even temporarily?
• 1820[14:20:27] <grillon> brontosaurusrex: hi
• 1821[14:21:04] <grillon> brontosaurusrex: I have searched for you how to log ssh connexions
• 1822[14:21:08] <grillon> brontosaurusrex: replaced-url
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• 1824[14:21:58] <Svetlana> (Updated wine by following replaced-url
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• 1826[14:22:19] <grillon> brontosaurusrex: personnaly I'm using tmux and log with tmux or I'm using putty logs when I'm from windows but from ssh client I never think about it and it was a good question
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• 1828[14:23:11] <brontosaurusrex> grillon, thanks, the question was how to make a log of something from multiple machines thought.
• 1829[14:23:34] <brontosaurusrex> i'am doing the ssh.pub keys version now, and it seems that is an easy way to do it.
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• 1843[14:28:37] <grillon> brontosaurusrex: ok I see, I thought something different but he talks about it too(forced command on ssh keys connection)
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• 1858[14:35:41] <sekil> hello
• 1859[14:35:51] <IllusiveBagel> hi
• 1860[14:35:59] <sekil> can anyone please enlight me where to download 8.9 ISOs?
• 1861[14:36:09] <sekil> cause they seem to be hard to find links for
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• 1864[14:36:43] <tremolo> You want to install oldstable?
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• 1866[14:36:52] <sekil> yes
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• 1871[14:38:15] <petn-randall> sekil: Is it to update an 8.8 or a fresh install?
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• 1873[14:38:31] <sekil> I wanted to download 8.9 for my PXE environment
• 1874[14:38:44] <sekil> netinst ISO
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• 1876[14:39:04] <tremolo> sekil: replaced-url
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• 1879[14:39:25] <sekil> finally..thank you..
• 1880[14:39:45] <tremolo> Sure
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• 1882[14:40:06] <sekil> it's not easy to find this from the main site..
• 1883[14:40:19] <MarioMey> Hello, there. My font viewer (Debian Mate 9) shows description at the right, and a black box in center-left. Fonts aren't shown.
• 1884[14:40:35] <MarioMey> I don't know what is the program that shows fonts.
• 1885[14:41:27] <MarioMey> It says "Visor de tipografías", maybe something like "font viewfinder" (Google translate).
• 1886[14:41:30] <sekil> also..is there an easy way to preseed an installation that was already installed?
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• 1888[14:42:06] <sekil> i.e. on RHEL/CentOS after install you get anaconda-ks.cfg that is practically a log of everything you installed on the machine
• 1889[14:42:18] <sekil> so one can use this as a template for it's kickstart install
• 1890[14:42:25] <tremolo> I haven't used preseed. Maybe someone else can answer that.
• 1891[14:42:38] <sekil> so is there such a log file on debian after install
• 1892[14:42:39] <sekil> ?
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• 1900[14:46:02] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1902[14:46:34] <forcerecon> morning BluesKaj
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• 1904[14:46:48] <BluesKaj> 'Morning forcerecon
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• 1916[14:51:42] <el_guapo> Hi, after a fresh install, I find myself in the infamous eye of the cyclone. I configured 2 internal (encrypted) HDD to mount at specific mount pount on /media. From what I could gather, it's about conflicting timouts (the HDDs not recieving the expected answer I guess). On yesterday's install, the mount points were on /home, that's the only difference with the current one.
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• 1918[14:52:06] <el_guapo> Could this be that the system tries to mount drives without root access?
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• 1923[14:55:23] <el_guapo> To be more precise: replaced-url
• 1924[14:56:43] <el_guapo> and "a start job is running for dev-mapper-sdb1_crypt.device" actually it's constantly switching between sdb1 and sdc1 (both HDDs)
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• 1927[14:57:22] <MarioMey> What is the font viewer of Debian9?
• 1928[14:57:30] <MarioMey> What is the command name?
• 1929[14:57:51] <MarioMey> Or is it desktop dependant...? Mine is Mate.
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• 1933[14:59:04] <JohnCub> MarioMey: I'm not sure, but I think it is gnome-font-viewer
• 1934[14:59:21] <JohnCub> worth a shot anyway
• 1935[14:59:49] <MarioMey> JohnCub: No, it isn't.
• 1936[14:59:56] <MarioMey> (I don't have that command=
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• 1938[15:00:06] <MarioMey> Oh, mate-font-viewer
• 1939[15:00:09] <merimel> kcharselect and fontforge
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• 1941[15:00:43] <merimel> kfontview
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• 1944[15:01:42] <MarioMey> merimel: it's mate-font-viewer. Thanks JohnCub for the tip.
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• 1946[15:01:57] <MarioMey> (in my distro)
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• 1954[15:02:58] <JohnCub> sure, sorry it wasn't right but hey, got us on the right path!
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• 1957[15:05:25] <el_guapo> Well, it seems I have some reading to do, and Plymount is involved: replaced-url
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• 1960[15:06:50] <el_guapo> Oh, another difference is that I enabled shadow passwords this time (not really knowing how it would affect the system).
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• 1965[15:08:21] <el_guapo> So a password agent basically prompts the user for the password. But that's exactly what happens: I get prompted twice in a row for each passphrase, then it goes to work and cyclone eye.
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• 1969[15:09:31] <tremolo> Shadow passwords shouldn't make a difference with luks volumes.
• 1970[15:09:59] <el_guapo> tremolo: Thank you, good to know!
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• 1990[15:22:33] <Peyam> Hi, is it possible to run dd to make a bootable windows 10 usb on debian?
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• 1994[15:25:20] <tremolo> Peyam: If you have an image of a bootable USB installer for Windows 10, it is.
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• 1996[15:25:34] <Peyam> yes I do.
• 1997[15:25:50] <Peyam> I have the iso file and want to make a bootable usb using debian
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• 2004[15:29:17] <tremolo> I don't know about 10, but their DVD images for 7 didn't play nice on flash disks. If they've fixed that, or if you have a USB/flash disk image, then you should be fine.
• 2005[15:29:17] <petn-randall> Peyam: 'cp windows10.iso /dev/sdx', with /dev/sdx (not sdx1!) being your USB device. Make sure the stick is unmounted, some desktops auto-mount them.
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• 2009[15:30:28] <Peyam> really?
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• 2011[15:30:51] <Peyam> no sudo dd if=windows.iso of=/dev/sdx?
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• 2017[15:32:13] <Peyam> petn-randall,
• 2018[15:32:14] <tremolo> dd copies data, cp copies data. If you use dd with "status=progress", you can get a pretty progress indicator. You'll likely need to be root either way.
• 2019[15:32:48] <Peyam> it will work? tremolo . Im pretty unsure about this
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• 2021[15:33:19] <petn-randall> Peyam: cp automatically determines the best block size for copying. dd doesn't, you'd have to find it yourself and add it with the bs= parameter.
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• 2024[15:33:33] <tremolo> Assuming the image is suitable.
• 2025[15:33:42] <Peyam> okej. the usb should be FAT right? or NFTS?
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• 2028[15:34:02] <tremolo> Doesn't matter, because you're going to blow away the partition tables when you copy the image.
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• 2038[15:40:35] <prussian> lol. you can't just write a win10 iso to a flash drive. it won't boot.
• 2039[15:40:49] <voidie> ...
• 2040[15:40:56] <voidie> prussian, why the fuck would you even do that?
• 2041[15:41:02] <voidie> google
• 2042[15:41:03] <prussian> not me.
• 2043[15:41:09] <voidie> windows 10 media creation tool
• 2044[15:41:09] <prussian> 09:35 < Peyam> [09:22:33] Hi, is it possible to run dd to make a bootable windows 10 usb on debian?
• 2045[15:41:18] <voidie> it's an exe to just make an usb stick with nexting
• 2046[15:42:18] <voidie> k :D
• 2047[15:43:01] <prussian> or I can just fat32 with a ef flag, install a grub payload that then chainboot the stupid windows EFI on the iso that has to reside on an NTFS partition becuase the windows isntaller uses a large 4+ GiB blob
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• 2049[15:43:29] <prussian> anyhow he'll be back when it doesn't boot.
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• 2052[15:43:51] <voidie> if you dont know that making an windows usb stick is the easiest on windows
• 2053[15:44:05] <voidie> stop what you are doing
• 2054[15:44:14] <voidie> put it down and get an proffessional working
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• 2059[15:46:52] <Tom01> You need WinToUSB.
• 2060[15:46:55] <prussian> no
• 2061[15:46:57] <prussian> you don't
• 2062[15:47:12] <jelly> not that it matters now, the right tool to use on linux is apparently called WoeUSB replaced-url
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• 2064[15:47:19] <quasselcore> how did you get linux running?
• 2065[15:47:23] <quasselcore> xD like how?
• 2066[15:47:28] <prussian> wtf. just chainboot the EFI stub from grub
• 2067[15:47:32] <prussian> it's not rocket science
• 2068[15:47:43] <[Gunner]> WinUsb is a nice app. Its got even got gui.
• 2069[15:47:44] <jelly> but this is better discussed in ##windows if anyone cares
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• 2071[15:48:00] <quasselcore> how did you install another operating system, but you cant install a winusb stick
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• 2073[15:48:37] <quasselcore> are you the kind of person who can't write batch, but still changes the color of his shell?
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• 2075[15:49:08] <jelly> let's keep this channel for actual debian support, please
• 2076[15:49:29] <quasselcore> jelly, sorry.
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• 2086[15:52:42] <koollman> in preseed, is there a way to use a shell script to do the partitionning/raid/lvm setup, then let the installer use what was done ?
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• 2088[15:53:18] <jelly> maybe ask in #debian-boot on OFTC, koollman
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• 2099[15:55:25] <jrmu> what's a good, minimal program for viewing fonts files (ttf)?
• 2100[15:55:25] <jrmu> preferably something already present in x windows
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• 2127[16:07:12] <brontosaurusrex> jrmu, i have font-manager, but thats not part of x
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• 2130[16:07:57] <jrmu> brontosaurusrex: thanks, interesting. Someone else recommended fontforge
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• 2133[16:08:43] <brontosaurusrex> fontforge is a maker irc
• 2134[16:09:40] <jrmu> ah. Hmm, both may come in handy
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• 2144[16:13:05] <p3rror> Hello
• 2145[16:13:27] <p3rror> what is the difference between the ipnodes and hosts in nsswitch.conf
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• 2149[16:13:55] <p3rror> does the procedure call gethostbyname() and getipnodebyname() are made for each name resolution
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• 2152[16:14:10] <p3rror> and not in the name base consultation
• 2153[16:14:30] <p3rror> in case of : ipnodes: files [NOTFOUND=return] dns
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• 2161[16:17:19] <nbjoerg> if someone cares: debian is violating the zstd license due to upstream #@$%^#$% with the tarballs (see replaced-url
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• 2180[16:24:53] <petn-randall> nbjoerg: I urge you to report the bug via reportbug.
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• 2183[16:26:05] <nbjoerg> don't have an account. feel free to reference to the above GH issue
• 2184[16:26:15] <themill> you don't need an account
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• 2186[16:26:51] <nbjoerg> I don't have a reportbug binary either :)
• 2187[16:27:02] <petn-randall> nbjoerg: So you're not even running Debian?
• 2188[16:27:12] <nbjoerg> correct
• 2189[16:28:57] <petn-randall> I'll file the bug then.
• 2190[16:29:03] * themill has
• 2191[16:29:05] <nbjoerg> thx
• 2192[16:29:14] <petn-randall> themill: bug#?
• 2193[16:29:25] <themill> waiting...
• 2194[16:30:24] <petn-randall> Mind you, it's a little stupid to put everything under a BSD license, but then put the examples on a custom non-commercial license.
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• 2198[16:31:16] <nbjoerg> I can agree if it is a "do not modify this files" license
• 2199[16:31:32] <nbjoerg> but yes, as written you can't redistribute the tarball, which is insane
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• 2206[16:34:16] <themill> #869581
• 2207[16:34:59] <nbjoerg> thx
• 2208[16:35:04] <nbjoerg> have a nice day :)
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• 2220[16:37:33] <anodesni> Hi, I have just installed the cuda toolkit, but nowhere can I find the libraries. What is the default install location? It does not seem to be "/usr/local/cuda" (btw, using stretch)
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• 2222[16:38:14] <petn-randall> anodesni: None of the official Debian packages installs to /usr/local/. However, you can check the package contents by running 'dpkg -L <packagename>'.
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• 2244[16:51:24] <anodesni> petn-randall, do you know if the samples are also included in this package?
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• 2258[16:59:22] <petn-randall> anodesni: Try it and see. I don't have that package installed.
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• 2278[17:07:53] <ssarah> whats a quick package command to run a screen saver
• 2279[17:07:54] <ssarah> i?
• 2280[17:07:56] <ssarah> ?
• 2281[17:08:39] <petn-randall> ssarah: Can you rephrase? Maybe also explain what you're trying to do.
• 2282[17:09:58] <toruvinn> xset s activate? or my fav, xset dpms force off? just guessing the intention of the question here.
• 2283[17:10:52] <p0g0> ssarah: if you search debain screen saver package, you will see a lot of offerings, just install the one you like.
• 2284[17:11:07] <p0g0> eh, *debian
• 2285[17:11:09] <ssarah> yeh, but im trying to find one that i can run from the terminal
• 2286[17:11:17] <ssarah> to avoid ruining the tv.
• 2287[17:11:24] <ssarah> i only have openbox installed
• 2288[17:11:34] <ssarah> and am starting the terminal from that
• 2289[17:11:43] <p0g0> termsaver seems to be a candidate
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• 2291[17:12:12] <tremolo> "xset dpms force off" tells the displays to go to sleep/turn off.
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• 2293[17:12:39] <p0g0> search for "debian terminal screen saver package"
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• 2298[17:13:57] <OS-30858> hello guys
• 2299[17:14:05] <OS-30858> is there an issue on the lab at the moment ?
• 2300[17:14:14] <OS-30858> I am not able to revert my windows machine
• 2301[17:15:14] <ssarah> replaced-url
• 2302[17:15:22] <ssarah> it's ok. ill just unplug the tv
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• 2304[17:16:00] <OS-30858> msg NickServ REGISTER Foupasfou1975 david.ponsdesserre@orange.com
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• 2306[17:16:52] <quasselcore> very good
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• 2308[17:17:34] * Namidairo facepalms
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• 2312[17:18:24] <quasselcore> ssarah you might geht some files from me, but i have to give it to you by usb
• 2313[17:19:07] <ssarah> hah?
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• 2351[17:35:31] <Solifugus> Philosophical Quesiton: should a hostname be identical to the machine's domain name?
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• 2355[17:37:13] <Solifugus> Or based on it? I built local (virtualbox) debian server identically to a cloud-hosted one... found myself confused as to which I am on, because they have the same hostname, users.. etc.
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• 2357[17:37:34] <Solifugus> I am thinking maybe to rename the local one with .dev on the end instead of .com
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• 2360[17:38:10] <Solifugus> Maybe I should just name them with extensions, .dev and .prod ?
• 2361[17:38:46] <Solifugus> Or -dev and -prod? I just wonder what is more philosophically correct.
• 2362[17:38:50] <brontosaurusrex> Solifugus, whatever flyes, my latest two girls are angela and melania, no .dev ;)
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• 2366[17:39:31] <brontosaurusrex> why not just name without extension?
• 2367[17:39:41] <jelly> Solifugus, you usually have one domain, with more hosts under it.
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• 2369[17:40:04] <Solifugus> I want to ensure that I don't mix up production with development.
• 2370[17:40:06] <jelly> if you need a dev a prod environment you might use subdomains, or different hostnames.
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• 2373[17:40:33] <jelly> Solifugus, the simplest way is just naming servers foo-prod, foo-dev, foo-test
• 2374[17:41:14] <jelly> all under the same domain, so foo-prod.example.org, foo-devel.example.org, foo-test.example.org FQDNs
• 2375[17:41:34] <Solifugus> Ok... Naming things has always been hard for me... it's just the feeling when there is no correct way.. it's a terrible aggravation.
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• 2377[17:42:38] <merimel> use angels names from some publick list, or ship names from world war 2
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• 2382[17:46:44] <rk[ghost]> how to type unicode characters in debian?
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• 2384[17:48:39] <petn-randall> rk[ghost]: Usually ctrl+shift+u<code point number>. For example ctrl+shift+u2192 will give you →
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• 2388[17:51:19] <rk[ghost]> this doesn't seem to work for me. any idea what might be overriding this?
• 2389[17:51:37] <petn-randall> rk[ghost]: What does it do instead?
• 2390[17:51:45] <petn-randall> rk[ghost]: And where are you trying it?
• 2391[17:51:47] <rk[ghost]> 2014
• 2392[17:51:53] <rk[ghost]> xterm + irssi
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• 2402[17:57:13] <merimel> you can configure compose key using dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
• 2403[17:57:47] <merimel> also you might need to configure it in KDE keyboard settings or in gnome
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• 2405[17:58:13] <merimel> alt_gr+<+3 = ♥
• 2406[17:58:33] <merimel> alt_gr+o+c = ©
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• 2408[17:58:55] <merimel> no need to remember numeric codes
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• 2410[17:59:11] <pacha> is it possible to continue burning an iso image on a DVD if it stopped while it was burning?
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• 2414[18:00:16] <sehranshafi> i have a problem with ubuntu can anybdy will solve it here as i dont knw how to register there??????
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• 2416[18:01:48] <merimel> /join #ubuntu
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• 2457[18:22:07] <bgardner> So I have a debian root & home on NFS and this boots my PXE boxes nicely, but hostname is never going to be sensible with this arrangement. What's the "right way" to do this? Documentation is good but seems focused on making it work.
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• 2461[18:24:40] <bgardner> ...as opposed to actually using it day to day, that is.
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• 2464[18:26:31] <tharkun> Is there a way to set a per user x-terminal-emulator?
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• 2483[18:32:23] <JohnCub> tharkun: "As with most X applications, xterm can be customized via global X resources files (e.g. /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XTerm), per-user resource files (e.g. ~/XTerm, ~/.Xresources), or command-line arguments." replaced-url
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• 2487[18:35:58] <tharkun> JohnCub: One has nothing to do with the other. x-terminal-emulator will call one of many available terminals. xterm, urxvt, uxterm, gnome-terminal ... Xresources will modify on a per user basis the behaviour of such terminal. It will not fire up a specific terminal for each user. Hence my simple question.
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• 2489[18:36:18] <tharkun> Anyway thanks for the reply.
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• 2496[18:38:17] <jelly> tharkun, /usr/bin/x-terminal-emulator is just an alternatives' managed symlink in /usr/bin, being in global PATH there's no way to have it per-user specific behaviour unless you make your own alternative, some kind of wrapper to read config from user's home
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• 2500[18:39:51] <jelly> sensible-xterm? :-)
• 2501[18:40:01] <tharkun> jelly: bingo
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• 2507[18:42:10] <Andreas322> Hello. Does someone have an advice for me? If I create some files of about 10GB, they are written wrong sometimes. I have Debian 9. I had negative scenarios of extracting an archive over KDE context menu, the command 7za x and copying files with dolphin.
• 2508[18:42:32] <Andreas322> It occurred on an external and internal hard drive.
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• 2511[18:43:43] <Brigo> Andreas322, it could be the drives
• 2512[18:44:29] <Andreas322> But it happened on two different drives
• 2513[18:44:35] <Andreas322> No smart warnings yet
• 2514[18:44:51] <Andreas322> One I have from 2009 and another just from that year.
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• 2521[18:46:03] <Brigo> Andreas322, drives are not perfect (nor drive controllers, etc)
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• 2525[18:46:42] <Andreas322> I wonder beccause I usually have to write more than only 30GB to have errors in files.
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• 2527[18:47:09] <Andreas322> Formerly I had extracted over 500GB without a single damaged file.
• 2528[18:47:30] <JohnCub> sorry that wasn't what you needed, tharkun.
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• 2530[18:47:49] <Andreas322> Is there an exhaustive tool to test my CPU?
• 2531[18:47:56] <tharkun> JohnCub: no worries but it enlightened me to my next question. Thanks again.
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• 2533[18:48:05] <Andreas322> That runs routines on my CPU to check it for many hours
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• 2538[18:48:55] <JohnCub> if you are just trying to heat it up, Andreas322, I recommend any of the BOINC projects like seti@home. It will get it to 100% and keep it there if you so desire.
• 2539[18:48:59] <tharkun> Andreas322: Statistically speaking the probability of hdd failure is far greater than cpu failure.
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• 2542[18:50:31] <Brigo> if think if the cpu fails you will get a lot more problems that file integrity.
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• 2545[18:53:33] <cruncher> Andreas322, did you check the logs for errors?
• 2546[18:53:47] <Andreas322> Where do I get them?
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• 2548[18:55:19] <cruncher> log files are in /var/log
• 2549[18:55:45] <cruncher> Andreas322, you should now be particularly interested in syslog
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• 2551[18:56:11] <cruncher> Andreas322, and what makes you think you have an "error"?
• 2552[18:56:25] <cruncher> did the extraction/copy program show a message?
• 2553[18:56:47] <cruncher> did you do some hash checksum?
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• 2555[18:57:04] <Andreas322> I think it is an error if the copied file is binarily not the same (even if I don't see an error message directly)
• 2556[18:57:20] <cruncher> Andreas322, how do you know its "binarily" not the same?
• 2557[18:57:29] <Andreas322> I used KDiff3 for comparison (enabling binary comparison inn options)
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• 2561[18:58:36] <cruncher> i wouldnt use that for such large files... better use sha512sum or similar
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• 2563[18:59:12] <cruncher> i would say only then you can be sure (or check the logs for some error messages)
• 2564[18:59:15] <Andreas322> It is very impractical if I have to compare 10000 files
• 2565[18:59:30] <cruncher> ? i would say its impractical to use kdiff3 for 1000 files
• 2566[18:59:46] <Andreas322> In my experience KDiff3 was rieliable. Even comparing 2,5 million files of about 500GB
• 2567[18:59:54] <cruncher> anyway, you can even use wildcards with the hash checksum tools
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• 2569[19:00:33] <somiaj> there is debsums to check the integurity of files from debian packages.
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• 2571[19:00:49] <cruncher> anyway, until you didnt check it with 2 tools, i wouldnt be sure something is wrong (or as i said, until you have evidence in the log file)
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• 2573[19:01:24] <cruncher> somiaj, i dont think he is talking about system files, being so big
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• 2577[19:02:08] <cruncher> Andreas322, anyway, check logs, and do a manual check with sha512sum AND kdiff3 to be sure the file is corrupt
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• 2580[19:02:28] <Andreas322> Well, I got in mind that I was checking why a self programmed tool detected a file as unknown. It used the java api for reading checksums
• 2581[19:03:32] <Andreas322> I had in debian also few other significant problems
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• 2583[19:04:22] <Andreas322> Okay, I need few time to figure out how I fixed it. I'll come back soon
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• 2589[19:06:08] <Andreas322> In KDE it had no effect if I change mouse settings. I fixed it by removing xserver-xorg-input-libinput. Then I installed libevdev-tools xserver-xorg-input-evdev xserver-xorg-input-mouse.
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• 2594[19:07:27] <Andreas322> Another issue was that my laptop freezed immediately after the graphics card fan turned on (when no additional packages installed by myself). Fixed by installing bumblebee-nvidia primus primus-libs:i386 (sure, proprietary stuff)
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• 2605[19:09:37] <Andreas322> Yeah, there is a way of boootinng a MSATA drive from a VMware machine. Otherwise it would not be possible to installl easily. chroot worked somehow only for downloading using a Debian 8 host, manipulating a Debian 9 installation.
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• 2620[19:13:57] <tharkun> Andreas322: For what I can read out of your posts you are working on an evironment you don't fully understand and master. You might as well first try to fix it then debug your current failure.
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• 2622[19:14:33] <Andreas322> The mentioned problems after it I fixed
• 2623[19:14:37] <tharkun> sha256 and friends can help you check the integrity of your file and simple bare metal hardware can help you see what is wrong.
• 2624[19:15:01] <jhutchins> Andreas322: Also look at the output of dmesg for filesystem errors.
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• 2626[19:15:12] <jhutchins> Andreas322: Is this with normal ext4 filesystems?
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• 2629[19:15:41] <Andreas322> I had the file problems with ext4 partitions
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• 2631[19:17:33] <tharkun> Andreas322: I glaube also dass du im #debian-de viel besser helf kanst du erhalten. (Google translate helped with some vocabulary ;P )
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• 2633[19:18:04] <Andreas322> I have no problems with english
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• 2635[19:18:17] <tharkun> :)
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• 2638[19:18:57] <tharkun> Never underestimate language barriers. Sometimes vacabulary can decieve us to ask the wrong question :)
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• 2640[19:19:15] <Andreas322> I will try Debian 8 again. If I have no problems, then I'll downgrade.
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• 2644[19:19:56] <tharkun> Andreas322: write down the versions of all moving parts and check for defaults. The devil is on the details.
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• 2647[19:21:54] <Andreas322> Debian 9, kde-plasma-desktop 5:92, linux-image-4.9.0-3-amd64
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• 2651[19:23:01] <Andreas322> p7zip-full 16.02, kdiff3 0.9.98-3+b1, dolphin 4:16.08.3-3
• 2652[19:23:25] <tharkun> Andreas322: and whatever software you are using. That is just but the tipof the iceberg. and No need to post them here. Those are for you to use as tools to debug.
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• 2661[19:27:12] <Andreas322> I would have to provide you a full script how I installed packages etc maybe. Don't know how much it does matter that my machine worked for over 22000 hours. But I will check how easily I can reproduce this prblem compared to the elder debian version. Then I will come back.
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• 2665[19:27:38] <Andreas322> How much does it matter that my 45 Watt CPU of my laptop gets to 95°C?
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• 2669[19:28:21] <Andreas322> (Okay, I tried to put new paste to the cooling system. The temperature growed a lot slower but still to over 90°C)
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• 2672[19:28:56] <SuperTramp83> Andreas322, that's awfully hot. Did you clean the vent of your laptop?
• 2673[19:28:58] <Andreas322> Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-3720QM,
• 2674[19:29:22] <Andreas322> Yes I did. The fan is still very quiet with almost 90°C
• 2675[19:29:35] <merimel> do checked every nook and cranny for dust corks?
• 2676[19:29:40] <merimel> *do you
• 2677[19:29:48] <sonOfRa> That CPU has a MOT of 105°C
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• 2679[19:30:03] <Andreas322> I ensured that there is no dust
• 2680[19:30:04] <sonOfRa> almost 90°C is still relatively reasonable
• 2681[19:30:43] <merimel> install powertop, run it, and wait
• 2682[19:30:50] <Andreas322> A typical load of 100% on all 8 threads has 3,4GHz and 93°C
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• 2684[19:31:05] <sonOfRa> Sounds fine
• 2685[19:31:15] <sonOfRa> Laptop CPUs are built to get a LOT hotter than desktop CPUs
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• 2687[19:31:21] <merimel> do you use konsole?
• 2688[19:31:23] <sonOfRa> constantly spinning fans drains the battery too much
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• 2690[19:31:34] <SuperTramp83> Andreas322, only time I had temps so high was when I was using a craptop with AMD gpu. Is you gpu an ATI?
• 2691[19:31:36] <Andreas322> I have konsole
• 2692[19:31:42] <merimel> there was a bug generating high cpu usage
• 2693[19:32:01] <merimel> *randomly producing
• 2694[19:32:04] <sonOfRa> If you get close to the 105°C, that's when you worry. But 95°C is 10 degrees under the specification max temparature
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• 2696[19:32:33] <cruncher> i wouldnt call 90 reasonable, but ok if its by design
• 2697[19:32:47] <cruncher> by experience i7+dedicated gpu get very hot on laptops, more even a QM
• 2698[19:33:10] <sonOfRa> replaced-url
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• 2700[19:33:24] <Andreas322> I do get on battery less than 80°C. On any other System the CPU clocks down to 1.8GHz. On debian, I have on full load still 3,4GHz, draining the battery (over 70 Watt entire device when I measured from power supply)
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• 2703[19:33:49] <merimel> high temperatures for long periods of time for notebook/desktop cpus are not fine, because of silicon crystal degradation
• 2704[19:33:51] <Andreas322> Now I use laptoop mode tools so it clocks down to 1,2GHz on battery
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• 2707[19:34:21] <cruncher> just an example, my laptop was getting close to 100 (in winter, i7+nvidia), i sold it, got the same with i5+intel gpu only, now im at 55 in summer
• 2708[19:34:21] <SuperTramp83> My laptop never exceeds 70 C° even with room temperature 30 C°. 90 C° is a lot.
• 2709[19:34:39] <sonOfRa> SuperTramp83: yes, but what CPU model do you have in your laptop?
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• 2711[19:34:52] <Andreas322> My fan is still very quiet at almost 90°C
• 2712[19:34:58] <cruncher> yes, its a lot.. but in his case, i7 QM + nvidia.. im afraid thats "normal"
• 2713[19:34:59] <sonOfRa> I bet it's one that is specified to have a significantly lower Junction Temperature
• 2714[19:35:04] <Andreas322> That is how the manufacturer regulated it.
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• 2718[19:35:27] <cruncher> Andreas322, well, being quiet as you say, i would say thats a good sign :)
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• 2721[19:35:50] <SuperTramp83> sonOfRa, yeah.. it's an old laptop (10 yr old). AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core TK-57
• 2722[19:35:55] <eipp0inter> some intel boards with i7 is getting to hot
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• 2727[19:36:15] <cruncher> Andreas322, also, what matters most, is for your 90, how high is your cpu usage
• 2728[19:36:16] <Andreas322> But it is not good if the fan is quiet at almost 90°C. It means that it has no possibility to cool on higher load.
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• 2730[19:36:32] <SuperTramp83> Andreas322, right
• 2731[19:36:35] <eipp0inter> I have a laptop with that
• 2732[19:36:40] <eipp0inter> fixed using thermald
• 2733[19:36:46] <Andreas322> I start to have 90°C when 4 of 8 threads are used.
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• 2735[19:36:58] <eipp0inter> and setting governor to powersave on core
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• 2738[19:37:25] <cruncher> Andreas322, ? no, if its quiet, it means it can go faster (if all is clean and no dust stuck), so quite the opposite you just said
• 2739[19:37:30] <eipp0inter> install thermald package and see if it helps
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• 2742[19:37:53] <cruncher> Andreas322, 4 of 8 used, would basically mean 100% usage.. so not surprising 90°
• 2743[19:37:54] <eipp0inter> if fan is not acting at 90°C something is wrong
• 2744[19:38:06] <SuperTramp83> eipp0inter, I agree
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• 2748[19:38:14] <SuperTramp83> the fan should kick in
• 2749[19:38:17] <cruncher> Andreas322, what brand is it?
• 2750[19:38:18] <eipp0inter> it should act from 75°C above
• 2751[19:38:26] <cruncher> it is turning, only its quiet he said
• 2752[19:38:28] <eipp0inter> at 90°C it should be loud
• 2753[19:38:36] <eipp0inter> fast
• 2754[19:38:41] <eipp0inter> a lot of air flowing
• 2755[19:38:42] <cruncher> it should act much earlier than 75
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• 2757[19:39:07] <merimel> maybe you should write a script that will watch for temperature, and save processes information when temp rise over 80
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• 2759[19:39:19] <eipp0inter> thermald
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• 2761[19:39:44] <Andreas322> My cooling system is from Foxconn. I can not replace it because it is in a laptop. And it is probably a problem of my motherboard if it lets spin it slowly at higher temperatures.
• 2762[19:39:55] <cruncher> Andreas322, i meant what brand of laptop
• 2763[19:40:03] <Andreas322> XMG P502
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• 2766[19:40:46] <Andreas322> Or a rebranded CLEVO P151EM1
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• 2768[19:41:29] <cruncher> Andreas322, i would stop the process that uses all cpu, then check temperature to establish a base for yourself. Now you are using 100%. I think all is fine with 90.
• 2769[19:41:43] <cruncher> but i admit it must be a very good cooling to be on 100% and "quiet"
• 2770[19:41:59] <cruncher> (which a i7 qm should have anyway)
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• 2772[19:42:29] <Andreas322> I would have to change the BIOS software myself to let the fan spin faster.
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• 2777[19:43:02] <cruncher> but again, "quiet" is relative... i am sure i would jump up the wall with your fan as i like it really quiet :D
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• 2779[19:43:25] <cruncher> Andreas322, you can also try if the program fancontrol supports your fan.. But honestly, i wouldnt change anything and let the bios handle it
• 2780[19:44:02] <cruncher> seems all ok to me, specially since you said you cleaned the fan duct, no dust, etc and nvidia with full cpu usage
• 2781[19:44:09] <Andreas322> My CPU throttles close below if it goes 100°C
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• 2783[19:45:38] <eipp0inter> BIOS have smart fan feature?
• 2784[19:45:48] <Andreas322> I don't know
• 2785[19:46:00] <eipp0inter> try to disable it and keep rotation constant
• 2786[19:46:12] <SuperTramp83> Andreas322, this page seems useful replaced-url
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• 2789[19:46:29] <`Kevin> many bios do have such features :P
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• 2794[19:48:07] <eipp0inter> well as one have said.. problem seams to be the 100% cpu usage... the fact that the fan is silent and temp dont rise above 90°C is a positive thing
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• 2797[19:48:47] <eipp0inter> should look up at the process that is draining the proc resources
• 2798[19:48:53] <`Kevin> as long as the fan RPM increases to 100% indeed
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• 2803[19:50:15] <eipp0inter> I had a problem with my i7, but that was a kernel change behaviour
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• 2806[19:50:37] <eipp0inter> had to change my cpu scaling_governor, max_feq and use thermald
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• 2810[19:51:06] <eipp0inter> since 4.0
• 2811[19:51:17] <nickgaw> Hi, With a text based installation with network-manager setup how do I create a new wireless connection file in /etc/Networkmanager/system connections like the installer does?
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• 2814[19:51:44] <somiaj> nickgaw: nwcli is a cli client for network manager
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• 2817[19:52:22] <somiaj> soo nmcli
• 2818[19:52:23] <somiaj> sorry
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• 2823[19:55:18] <nickgaw> ok but what is the quickest way to setup a new wireless network using nmcli when I know the name and the key for that network and to have it store the connection for later use?
• 2824[19:55:45] <eipp0inter> man nmcli
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• 2829[19:56:45] <nickgaw> ok am reading it now
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• 2831[19:57:16] <jmcnaught> nickgaw: look for the section on 'device wifi connect'
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• 2833[19:57:35] <jmcnaught> nickgaw: or use nmtui
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• 2848[20:01:00] <nickgaw> I am using nmtui
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• 2851[20:01:21] <nickgaw> can that scan for networks and help me connect to them?
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• 2854[20:01:47] <Andreas322> I am AFK
• 2855[20:02:42] <jmcnaught> nickgaw: yes
• 2856[20:03:00] <Andreas322> Is it serious that my machine has worked for 22000 hours?
• 2857[20:03:28] <Andreas322> (whether it is problematic)
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• 2867[20:05:51] <eipp0inter> uptime_seriousness
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• 2913[20:37:21] <ryouma> Andreas322: it's ok to run it for as long as you like, but if you do that, then it means you are not upgrading your running kernel, iiuc
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• 3058[21:39:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> what is the proper way to change /etc/resolve.conf, there is a warning in the file saying not to edit it, and it says "generated by resolvconf(8)", I read the man page, but I don't understand how I should change the default nameserver for all interfaces, and have /sbin/resolveconf update /etc/resolv.conf. Could someone tell me how to change my default nameserver?
• 3059[21:39:48] <th0r> RandomGuyOnIrc, I believe it is now done in dhcpcd.conf
• 3060[21:40:03] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks
• 3061[21:40:06] <jelly> RandomGuyOnIrc, it depends. How does your networking get set up? Is it /etc/network/interfaces or something else?
• 3062[21:40:11] <jmcnaught> th0r: that's a raspbianism
• 3063[21:40:11] <jhutchins> !resolvconf
• 3064[21:40:12] <dpkg> methinks resolvconf is a package that can be used to manage your /etc/resolv.conf (the file that contains your DNS settings). Packages like ppp, ifupdown, dhcp-client, ... are compatible with it. Ask me about <fixresolvconf>, <resolv.conf>, <override dns>
• 3065[21:40:30] <jelly> heh, "can be used"
• 3066[21:40:45] <th0r> jmcnaught, right...my bad
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• 3068[21:40:58] <RandomGuyOnIrc> there we go it is in /etc/network/interfaces
• 3069[21:41:11] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I just need to edit that file, and restart networking
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• 3072[21:44:55] <bgamari-> does anyone know of debian packaging for firefox >52?
• 3073[21:44:56] <jelly> RandomGuyOnIrc, use something like "ifdown eth0; ifup eth0", or whatever interface you have active and and dns-nameservers line present in.
• 3074[21:45:15] <jhutchins> ,v firefox
• 3075[21:45:16] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-2; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
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• 3080[21:45:23] <bgamari-> jhutchins, c
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• 3082[21:45:32] <bgamari-> rather replaced-url
• 3083[21:45:42] <jelly> bgamari-, it will probably be present in stable-backports at some point, but right now there're only 52esr builds
• 3084[21:45:43] <bgamari-> it seems that the problem is the rust build dependency
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• 3091[21:50:26] <nuke_1> hello everybody
• 3092[21:50:32] <soulspire> Upgraded from Debian 8 to 9.1, now having issues with bluetooth. It failed to load bluetooth at boot?
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• 3100[21:51:58] <soulspire> using blueman
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• 3104[21:52:48] <nuke_1> has someone good tutorial to install nvidia driver on debian 9?
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• 3107[21:53:35] <discovered> nuke_1, apt install nividia-driver?
• 3108[21:53:48] <towo`> after adding non-free and contrib
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• 3110[21:53:53] <JobEwanKenobi> replaced-url
• 3111[21:53:54] <discovered> yes
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• 3113[21:55:10] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks for all the help guys
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• 3115[21:55:36] <RandomGuyOnIrc> I have my resolv.conf and nameserver working now
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• 3118[21:56:14] <jmcnaught> nuke_1: replaced-url
• 3119[21:56:51] <jmcnaught> nuke_1: also you are _strongly_ advised not to use the installer from nvidia's website
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• 3141[22:09:05] <ahmed751995> usb mouse work well then after a couple of minutes starts to slow down and i have to remove the cable and plug it in again to work well
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• 3147[22:11:17] <well_laid_lawn> try a different usb port
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• 3149[22:12:21] <JobEwanKenobi> is this a Laptop or Desktop you are using?
• 3150[22:12:53] <ahmed751995> laptop
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• 3153[22:13:34] <ahmed751995> well_laid_lawn: what is the difference ?
• 3154[22:13:43] <JobEwanKenobi> I agree trying different usb port... You might also want to go to settings/mouse and Touchpad and disable touchpad
• 3155[22:14:42] <well_laid_lawn> usb port might be sick
• 3156[22:14:56] <jelly> dpkg, tell nuke_1 about nvidia dkms
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• 3159[22:15:44] <ahmed751995> but i was using another mouse in the same usb port and was working well
• 3160[22:16:40] <JobEwanKenobi> Next suggestion was to try a different mouse.
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• 3164[22:19:02] <well_laid_lawn> ↑
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• 3166[22:19:17] <ahmed751995> any way after changing usb port the problem solved
• 3167[22:19:25] <well_laid_lawn> well done
• 3168[22:19:44] <ahmed751995> thanks well_laid_lawn JobEwanKenobi
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• 3170[22:19:53] <JobEwanKenobi> glad it worked for you... Be sure to tip your bartender and server.
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• 3173[22:20:51] <ahmed751995> :D
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• 3197[22:32:17] <abbdddf> excuse me, my laptop specification is (Intel Core i3-3110M , NVIDIA GeForce 710M and 6GB of ram ) what environment is suitable to my laptop ?
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• 3203[22:34:02] <jelly> abbdddf, like, room temperature, indirect light?
• 3204[22:34:21] <jelly> stable power supplied?
• 3205[22:34:33] <abbdddf> jelly: i mean gnome or kde ....
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• 3208[22:34:56] <jelly> 6GB is a reasonable amount, use whatever you like best
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• 3211[22:36:03] <jelly> just don't keep a hundred tabs open at the same time in the browser
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• 3217[22:38:20] <merimel> no one uses all this tabs anyway
• 3218[22:38:51] <abbdddf> what about the processor ? some one tells me this process won't work well with gnome
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• 3221[22:39:25] <greycat> GNOME would care much more about the graphics chipset than the CPU
• 3222[22:39:25] <abbdddf> processor*
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• 3224[22:40:20] <abbdddf> great thanks a lot
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• 3233[22:43:07] <jmcnaught> abbdddf: despite its reputation GNOME isn't that big a resource hog
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• 3235[22:44:17] <abbdddf> jmcnaught: i heard myths about gnome
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• 3245[22:46:05] <jmcnaught> abbdddf: it's actually really good, but others are good too. if you don't know any of them then try a couple of weeks in one, couple weeks in another. you can have more than one installed at a time, and select which one to use at login time
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• 3250[22:49:06] <abbdddf> i will give them a try thanks jmcnaught
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• 3281[23:01:41] <VeronicaX11> I'm having trouble getting my windows 10/Debian 9 dual boot to work properly in grub. I have some potentially useful debugging info here for anyone interested. replaced-url
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• 3287[23:03:10] <deego> VeronicaX11: IME, dual booting anything with windoze is playing with fire. One fine day, you will wake up to find some stupid windows update having overwritten your linux data
• 3288[23:03:18] <deego> and bricking the linux bootup
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• 3290[23:03:53] <deego> Laptops are cheap. I prefer to buy a separate one for each bootup
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• 3295[23:04:39] <jelly> VeronicaX11, does this system boot in uefi or legacy bios mode?
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• 3297[23:05:40] <jelly> VeronicaX11, windows probably really wants uefi mode, so grub installed in mbr is useless, and you need to make grub-efi work
• 3298[23:06:00] <well_laid_lawn> or put windows in a vm
• 3299[23:06:08] <jelly> uefi makes dual (triple, whatever) boot simpler
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• 3301[23:07:00] <jelly> and it breaks less often than legacy boot used to, with every OS competing to put in its own mbr code
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• 3363[23:32:11] <APLU> jelly: it breaks less often, until you've a crazy bios/uefi manufacturer which load the Microsoft.efi files by default no matter what (until you removed it…)
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• 3380[23:40:22] <JobEwanKenobi> I'll chime in.. Unless you HAVE to dual boot like me(I use several CAD programs that refuse to run on Linux) Running windows in a VM lie QEMU/Virtmanager is a breeze to setup. I agree Dual booting is a ticking time bomb.
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• 3382[23:40:59] <VeronicaX11> jelly: fast boot disabled, but "Secure Boot" is set to Windows UEFI. It's interesting. In the BIOS, I have 2 options for my hard disk: Windows Boot Manager (Name of hard disk, WD-identity_string_etc) and another simply (Name of hard disk, WD-identity_string_etc).
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• 3385[23:41:40] <VeronicaX11> If i set the windows boot manager one first, it boots windows 10. if i choose the other, debian.
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• 3387[23:42:29] <VeronicaX11> I mean, i suppose this is fine but i'd really prefer to have grub present me with a choice rather than having to fiddle with the bios everytime i want to switch.
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• 3389[23:43:44] <VeronicaX11> JobEwanKenobi: and yes, I HAVE to dual boot unfortunately. still too much reliance on windows-only software. nice name btw.
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• 3411[23:51:51] <chachasmooth> no changelog available for the latest bind9 update? `apt-get changelog bind9` results in `Changelog unavailable`
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• 3421[23:57:28] <chachasmooth> aahh, "CVE-2017-3142_regression added, fix a regression introduced in with the correction for CVE-2017-3142."
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