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• 6[00:02:20] <badargo> what happens if i chmod 000 /* ?
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• 8[00:03:59] <Antares> replaced-url
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• 13[00:05:05] <JPT> badargo: Well, if you do not leave your root shell you /may/ be able to easily repair that
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• 16[00:05:33] <JPT> badargo: However, if you add -R to the mix, you will need to recover all permissions. Basic advice: Do not do this.
• 17[00:05:49] <JohnCub> I tested that with a file recently. I was able to undo the permissions, but while it was 000 I couldn't even read it.
• 18[00:05:53] <JohnCub> worked as expected.
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• 20[00:06:20] <JohnCub> now I wonder if root would have been able to read it
• 21[00:06:24] <badargo> i was expecting the computer to explode 0.o
• 22[00:06:32] <lexruee1> Trying out Deadly Linux Commands: replaced-url
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• 24[00:07:19] <JPT> badargo: Your computer won't explode. But be sure to have backups ready (and not mounted or connected to your computer) while messing with such commands.
• 25[00:07:44] <JPT> If you need some good fun, try tail /dev/zero
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• 27[00:08:15] <badargo> ohhh i will
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• 31[00:09:23] <badargo> haha wtf
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• 34[00:09:46] <badargo> it should list the files on the tail of dev/zedo but instead froze everything :P
• 35[00:10:02] <JPT> Well, /dev/zero is a never ending stream of null bytes
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• 37[00:10:15] <JPT> There is no last line. There is not even a first line.
• 38[00:10:26] <JPT> I guess the results for head /dev/zero should be the same.
• 39[00:10:35] <badargo> ohhh sounds like the universe :P or a black hole
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• 42[00:11:03] <JPT> Basically that command will eat a lot of ram in the blink of an eye. Your machine will be busy swapping and you'll need to reset it.
• 43[00:11:30] <badargo> i got away with ctrl + c but was about to reset haha
• 44[00:11:36] <JPT> There's also the famous fork bomb, but since systemd exists, it is not as much fun anymore
• 45[00:11:38] <badargo> took ages to respound :P
• 46[00:11:45] <JPT> :() { : | :& }; :
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• 49[00:11:57] <badargo> whats that?
• 50[00:12:14] <lexruee1> fork bomb :)
• 51[00:12:16] <JPT> It's a bash function that spawns two jobs invoking itself
• 52[00:12:22] <JPT> Exponential growth basically
• 53[00:12:23] <badargo> ohhhh
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• 55[00:12:37] <JPT> Will eat a lot of RAM and consume a lot of process ids
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• 57[00:13:03] <badargo> if u config a ini file that start the system with that or the dev/zero trick
• 58[00:13:13] <badargo> looks noice
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• 60[00:14:04] <JPT> I guess you already know the command to basically erase all files on your computer?
• 61[00:14:18] <badargo> omg is there one?
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• 63[00:14:24] <badargo> u dont mean format right
• 64[00:14:24] <JPT> Actually: the commands. There are more.
• 65[00:14:29] <sashpta> JohnCub, jhutchins so i finally managed to access the server again... here is the sourceslist replaced-url
• 66[00:14:39] <badargo> tell me ! :P
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• 68[00:15:10] <JPT> The first one you need to know (NEVER DO THIS!) is rm -rf / . It recursively deletes every file in your filesystem. Do NOT do this, do have backups, DO NOT TRICK PEOPLE INTO DOING THIS.
• 69[00:15:30] <badargo> whats f for?
• 70[00:15:43] <JPT> force - no asking for confirmation, just do it.
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• 73[00:16:30] <JPT> I should probably do a google search for lethal commands. I bet there are a few collections
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• 77[00:17:09] <JPT> List of LETHAL commands - DO NOT RUN THESE: replaced-url
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• 81[00:17:54] <JPT> Basically, there are way more of them, but i guess it cannot hurt to know the most basic ones.
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• 83[00:18:04] <JPT> Also, never run a commend that you do not know what it does.
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• 85[00:18:42] <JPT> command*
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• 88[00:19:01] <badargo> i understand some of them :D im making progress
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• 91[00:19:47] <JPT> When in doubt, there is always the man command to help you out with documentations for any command
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• 96[00:20:02] <JPT> e.g. man rm shows the manpage for the rm command.
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• 98[00:20:14] <badargo> this introduction to linux book and this chat room together make a great combination
• 99[00:20:26] <JPT> Glad you enjoy it :)
• 100[00:21:25] <badargo> its like having free linux consulting 24/7 haha
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• 103[00:22:08] <JPT> Well, not quite. All of us in here do this because we like to help other people out. :)
• 104[00:22:33] <JPT> But we won't just do everyone's homework and do everyone's daily work.
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• 109[00:23:08] <tw> I tried to make linux great again but it told me there's no rule to make target 'great'
• 110[00:23:14] * tw shows himself out.
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• 112[00:23:36] <JPT> *chuckles*
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• 114[00:24:05] <Antares> replaced-url
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• 116[00:24:13] <Antares> мусик
• 117[00:25:01] <sashpta> did someone manage to install mysql-server on debian 8 ?
• 118[00:25:30] <JPT> On debian 8 it should be easy. On debian 9, there is mariadb instead.
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• 121[00:27:50] <sashpta> JPT, dunno i always get this error: replaced-url
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• 125[00:29:12] <JPT> sashpta: This looks more like it is related to what kind of machine (I'm guessing a container?) you're trying to install it on. Debconf is trying to use an ncurses based dialog to ask you about the configuration and since this fails, the installation process fails, too.
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• 130[00:30:44] <sashpta> JPT, it's a V-Linux server
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• 135[00:33:34] <JPT> sashpta: Perhaps try running export TERM=xterm and try again. Not sure if that will already fix the issue.
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• 142[00:36:23] <sashpta> JPT, that did the job thx :)
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• 144[00:36:27] <sashpta> is that change persistent ?
• 145[00:36:42] <JPT> No, this one is temporary.
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• 148[00:36:52] <sashpta> how do i make it persistent?
• 149[00:37:08] <JPT> You could put the line into your ~/.bashrc, so it gets executed everytime you log in.
• 150[00:37:11] <sashpta> cuz now i can finally use `man` without an error again :D
• 151[00:37:30] <JPT> If you want to inspect all set environment variables, you can simply type "export" to list them all
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• 155[00:38:37] <badargo> hey, what chmod o= means? others what?
• 156[00:38:52] <JPT> oh, right. Or - if you need this change to affect all users, you could put it into /etc/environment (See replaced-url
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• 160[00:39:36] <JPT> badargo: chmod changes the permissions of a file/folder/... a= all, o= other, g= (group), u= (user)
• 161[00:39:45] <sashpta> JPT thx man
• 162[00:40:17] <JPT> 'man chmod' will give you the manpage. There will probably be some examples at the middle or bottom of the manpage. :)
• 163[00:40:50] <badargo> yes but in the example its chmod o= file
• 164[00:41:18] <badargo> oh
• 165[00:41:26] <badargo> no
• 166[00:41:31] <JPT> In that case, since no flags are set for o, others will have no permissions for that file
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• 169[00:41:40] <badargo> ohh
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• 173[00:42:39] <JPT> chmod o=rx somefile will set r and x (but unset w) as permissions for "others" on somefile
• 174[00:43:08] <badargo> so its like chmod o= file - or zero for others, like chmode o=-
• 175[00:43:12] <JPT> chmod o+x will ADD the x bit (execute permission) for others on a file, chmod o-x will REMOVE the x bit.
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• 178[00:44:15] <badargo> chmode o= is the same as chmod o-rwx ?
• 179[00:44:36] <JPT> The effect will be the same, but the meaning is different.
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• 182[00:44:55] <JPT> + and - do add or remove bits, while = just sets them to the given state
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• 184[00:45:25] <JPT> so chmod o-r may not be the same as chmod o= because the latter will also remove w and x if present
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• 187[00:46:58] <JPT> I just discovered you can also do stuff like 'chmod =r somefile' and it will set r (but unset w or x if present) for user, group and others at once.
• 188[00:47:16] <JPT> Just like chmod +x somefile or chmod -x somefile are a thing
• 189[00:47:44] <badargo> file is ------rwx and i chmod o= the file will become ---------
• 190[00:47:55] <JPT> yup :)
• 191[00:48:02] <badargo> but if instead i chmod o-w it will be -------w-
• 192[00:48:15] <badargo> ops
• 193[00:48:20] <badargo> chmode o=w
• 194[00:48:28] <JPT> exactly
• 195[00:48:38] <badargo> cool
• 196[00:49:15] <Tramp> JPT: what happens, if the user part is empty, depends on your umask
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• 199[00:50:50] <JPT> That may depend on context. If the file was 000 before, i doubt using chmod o=w will touch the user and group part. But it might be good to keep the umask in mind.
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• 201[00:51:54] <badargo> i thought umask only affects files when they are created
• 202[00:52:10] <JPT> That's what i have in mind right now, too. But i'm already sleepy.
• 203[00:52:41] <JPT> I'll get some sleep now. Enjoy playing, be careful, always have a backup ready and have a nice evening/night/day/... :)
• 204[00:52:48] <Tramp> bits in you umask will NOT be affected when the user part is empty.
• 205[00:53:03] <badargo> good night!
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• 208[00:53:37] <Antares> replaced-url
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• 214[00:56:16] <mongo2> One important context for umask is if there is an ACL is inherited from a parent directory and the umask is unused. The main issue is that if a flag is not in the inheritied ACL it will be turned off with mkdir/open
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• 216[00:56:38] <mongo2> probably not related but it ate a lot of my time once
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• 220[00:59:32] <badargo> hummm
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• 222[01:00:10] <badargo> chmod +x file = chmod ugo+x file right
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• 224[01:00:54] <JohnCub> yes, badargo
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• 227[01:01:41] <badargo> so chmod =x file should be chmod ugo-rw and chmod ugo+x
• 228[01:01:43] <badargo> so
• 229[01:01:49] <badargo> chmod = file
• 230[01:02:00] <badargo> makes the file 000
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• 232[01:02:31] <JohnCub> you lost me somewhere in there but that's ok
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• 234[01:03:00] <badargo> i mean =x is the same as user group and others get x
• 235[01:03:08] <badargo> and lose rw
• 236[01:03:17] <JohnCub> I've never used the =
• 237[01:03:35] <badargo> but if u use ugo=
• 238[01:03:46] <badargo> then ugo get --- file
• 239[01:03:55] <badargo> so if u just =
• 240[01:04:15] <badargo> its 000
• 241[01:04:20] <badargo> --- file for ugo
• 242[01:04:24] <mongo2> +x etc... will honor the umask, use numbers or non wildcard letters to override
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• 244[01:05:16] * mongo2 except for ACLs
• 245[01:05:32] <badargo> try this touch file; chmod = file; ls -l file
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• 247[01:06:27] <badargo> thats noice :D
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• 260[01:12:22] <Mick> Hi, i am looking for debian multimedia repository...
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• 263[01:12:36] <Mick> archive , please...
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• 265[01:12:49] <Mick> not current..
• 266[01:13:07] <badargo> hey
• 267[01:13:14] <badargo> why chmod +rwx a 000 file will turn it into a 751?
• 268[01:13:34] <badargo> it should become 777 shouldnt it?
• 269[01:13:46] <Tramp> badargo: umask, as I said above.
• 270[01:14:10] <Tramp> but you don't seem to listen.
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• 273[01:15:25] <mongo2> the default umask is 0022, so it would be '-rwxr-xr-x' because the 2's are masked on the right side.
• 274[01:15:27] <badargo> im only starting the umask session now but it said umask sets up permissions for new file Tramp 0.o
• 275[01:15:35] <ElBriga1982> When traceroute shows "* * *" for a hop ... what I nedd to configure on my router (raspbian) so it doesnt show as " * * * " on the listing?
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• 277[01:16:02] <badargo> new files
• 278[01:16:10] <ElBriga1982> I think it has some to do with TTL Exceeded packets... kernel?
• 279[01:16:25] <badargo> but this file is not "new"... so why u mask is messing it up?
• 280[01:16:27] <Tramp> badargo: and I (and the documaentation of File permissions) said differently. And as you've just shown, I'm right
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• 282[01:17:46] <Tramp> badargo: read: info "File permissions" and all nodes below it.
• 283[01:17:59] <n_blownapart> hello I'm trying to write an alias for .bashrc which has two arguments, 'stack ghci' which is the glasgow haskell compiler within a package manager called stack. I guess it won't take two arguments like this : replaced-url
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• 288[01:20:04] <mongo2> badargo: POSIX.1-2008 specifies that chmod needs to honor the umask of the PID, but the behavior is not very portable, use the numbers.
• 289[01:20:21] <Tramp> n_blownapart: an alias does not take arguments, it's just a textual substitution. The link shows a function, which is the right way to do it.
• 290[01:20:42] <mongo2> coreutils is currently complant, but others may or may not be.
• 291[01:21:12] <mongo2> "Some implementations of chmod never used the umask of the process when changing modes;
• 292[01:21:15] <mongo2> systems conformant with this volume of POSIX.1-2008 do so when who is not specified."
• 293[01:21:57] <Mick> which flashplayer is the latest version working with iceweasel 3.5.16 ?
• 294[01:22:07] <qmr> ew flash
• 295[01:22:55] <n_blownapart> Tramp it doesn't work as shown
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• 298[01:24:09] <n_blownapart> when I run st factorial.hs I get an options list for the program stack, but the compiler does not fire up
• 299[01:24:13] <n_blownapart> Tramp,
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• 304[01:25:57] <Tramp> n_blownapart: and that's different from running "stack ghci factorial.hs" ?
• 305[01:26:08] <Tramp> you said something about "2 arguments" above
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• 308[01:26:34] <john__> sorry hold on Tramp nickserv switched my nick for some reason
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• 317[01:29:23] <n_blownapart> sorry Tramp, do you see a way to use a function similar to what I'm attempting?
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• 319[01:29:45] <Tramp> n_blownapart: I still don't get your problem - did you see my question above?
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• 339[01:36:03] <badargo> man chmod page "If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected."
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• 344[01:36:47] <badargo> that explains nothing
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• 347[01:37:43] <n_blownapart> Tramp I also attempted this to different but incorrect effect replaced-url
• 348[01:37:52] <badargo> umask doesnt mess with chmod a= but mess with chmod a=x, why?
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• 355[01:38:49] <Tramp> badargo: "a=" is not the same as "=". But now I give up. I even told you, were to look: info "File permissions".
• 356[01:38:58] <Tramp> s/were/where/
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• 361[01:39:46] <Tramp> n_blownapart: no. forget the second one. Tell me, what exactly is wrong with the first one you showed. It looks perfect to me.
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• 364[01:40:23] <badargo> Tramp: A combination of the letters ugoa controls which users' access to the
• 365[01:40:25] <badargo> file will be changed: the user who owns it (u), other users in the
• 366[01:40:27] <badargo> file's group (g), other users not in the file's group (o), or all users
• 367[01:40:29] <badargo> (a). If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) so chmod a= and chmod = are the same
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• 369[01:40:54] <badargo> if none of these are given,
• 370[01:41:01] <badargo> the effect is as if (a)
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• 372[01:41:21] <badargo> so how chmod = is not chmod a=
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• 374[01:41:37] <badargo> thats just false
• 375[01:41:47] <Tramp> n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running "stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the first st, not the second)
• 376[01:41:54] <rjsalts> badargo: because it has a sentence following that which says except the bits in the umask aren't set
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• 379[01:42:19] <rjsalts> badargo: maybe you need a kōan to provide enlightenment
• 380[01:43:13] <Tramp> badargo: exactly, that's false. "a=" and "=" are not the same.
• 381[01:43:38] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: the syntax looks off in the paste
• 382[01:44:20] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: it's wrapped in () instead of { }
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• 384[01:44:31] <pingfloyd> shouldn't it be st () { ... }
• 385[01:44:52] <pingfloyd> I mean st() { ... }
• 386[01:45:07] <Tramp> badargo: btw, my manpage is differnt. It reads: If none of these are given, the effect is as if (a) were given, but bits that are set in the umask are not affected.
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• 388[01:45:54] <Tramp> uh, () - bummer missed that ....
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• 393[01:46:32] <badargo> what bit set in the u mask mean exactly?
• 394[01:47:02] <badargo> this man page is poorly writen :S
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• 396[01:48:35] <n_blownapart> nothing happens when I attempt to use that alias Tramp . all the other aliases pasted here work except for the first one, st , which contains two cli arguments '$ stack ghci ' replaced-url
• 397[01:48:58] <pingfloyd> don't use an alias
• 398[01:49:01] <pingfloyd> use a function
• 399[01:49:02] <badargo> umask sets a rule concerning the creation of new directories and files. so the "bits" that are set on that "rule" ...
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• 401[01:49:24] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, I attempt it with st() { .... } to no avail
• 402[01:49:30] <badargo> i will just read :~
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• 404[01:49:38] <rjsalts> badargo: replaced-url
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• 406[01:50:18] <badargo> rjsalts: thank you!
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• 410[01:50:50] <Tramp> n_blownapart: these are neither aliases nor (as pingfloyd spotted) shell functions. I have no idea, what these are.
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• 414[01:52:01] <n_blownapart> st() { stack ghci "$@" &> /dev/null & } is what I also attempted, which resulted in stack opening an (argument?) options info file
• 415[01:52:45] <Tramp> n_blownapart: as I asked above: is running "stack ghci factorials.hs" on the command-line different from running "st factorials.hs" and, if yes, how? (the first st, not the second)
• 416[01:52:53] <Tramp> for the 3rd time now.
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• 419[01:53:39] <Tramp> and now I mean "the third (i.e. the one with the {}" you just pasted in the channel.
• 420[01:53:42] <n_blownapart> Tramp weird they all have been working fine including running as background. sorry I made a mistake. hold on pls
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• 422[01:55:21] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: replaced-url
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• 425[01:56:41] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, thanks I tried that earlier one sec
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• 427[01:56:51] <pingfloyd> and are you sure you want to throw away the output?
• 428[01:57:05] <pingfloyd> try without the &> /dev/null &
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• 433[01:57:56] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, I like keeping the prompt, if that part is not there the app doesn't run in background
• 434[01:58:39] <n_blownapart> but anyway there is no output, if you're just using an alias or shortcut to open an app right?
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• 438[02:01:21] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: what does 'declare -f st' return?
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• 441[02:02:19] <pingfloyd> n_blownapart: using alias, function, etc., shouldn't affect output itself
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• 444[02:03:04] <pingfloyd> also, I'd worry about getting it working before you worry about backgrounding it
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• 452[02:07:25] <n_blownapart> that declare command you suggested returns the way I have it, as you suggested, in .bashrc, with curly brackets instead on parens. but it doesn't do anything when I run '$ st '
• 453[02:07:28] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd,
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• 455[02:08:26] <n_blownapart> its strange, the alias or whatever its properly called won't take two args, "stack ghci" so far
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• 457[02:09:47] <badargo> so a bit is a binary digit, and the binary digits of umask dont behave like decimal numbers and thats whats fucking everything up rjsalts?
• 458[02:09:48] <pingfloyd> if you call just 'st' then it should be like running 'stack ghci' (no other args).
• 459[02:09:53] <n_blownapart> replaced-url
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• 462[02:11:02] <badargo> i thougt of bits as a measure of memory size :S
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• 464[02:11:39] <n_blownapart> yeah sorry it does nothing at all.
• 465[02:12:13] <n_blownapart> I wonder if its the () after st() ..
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• 467[02:12:26] <n_blownapart> maddening
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• 469[02:12:31] <pingfloyd> and you are running bash as your shell?
• 470[02:13:47] <n_blownapart> yeah, all those other aliases work fine.
• 471[02:14:18] <n_blownapart> its not an issue of indentation, since stack and ghci are on the same line?
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• 477[02:17:48] <n_blownapart> when I do '$ source .bashrc" I get this weird output replaced-url
• 478[02:18:02] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd,
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• 491[02:25:56] <n_blownapart> pingfloyd, very sorry you were right the part that suppressed output was causing the problem. I took it out and got the hoped for behavior replaced-url
• 492[02:26:35] <n_blownapart> MANY THANKS
• 493[02:26:47] <pingfloyd> you're welcome
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• 495[02:28:16] <n_blownapart> that line it returned [5] DONE "$@" &> /dev/null .... that shows the part of the file I deleted ? pingfloyd I don't quite understand that
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• 498[02:32:05] <n_blownapart> anyway I have a hole in my head. I get OCD about something and don't even listen to what people are telling me to do. live and learn !
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• 508[02:41:50] <rjsalts> badargo: a bit is a 1 or 0, you're representing the permissions on a file in binary, which is counted in bits, read is in the 2² column, write is in the 2¹ column and execute is in 2⁰ column
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• 510[02:44:23] <rjsalts> badargo: the umask says, if this bit is set in the umask, then subtract that from the permission you're trying to apply
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• 515[02:46:24] <rjsalts> badargo: so in binary 111 is 7 in octal, so if you have a umask on 7 then files are created with a 0 in that field
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• 520[02:47:54] <badargo> when i input (u), (g), (o) or (a) the binary digits in the umask are not affected, but when i input nothing it works as if (a) was input but umask binary values wont be affected
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• 524[02:48:25] <badargo> acording to this, chmod either affects or not affects the binary values of umask
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• 527[02:49:10] <badargo> so it behaves in 2 manners
• 528[02:49:12] <Igel> hi, im looking at replaced-url
• 529[02:49:35] <badargo> the question is, how chmod affects the umask binary values of umask
• 530[02:49:35] <Igel> but.. looking for something less compliated.. something really easier and perhaps used by somebody here
• 531[02:49:44] <ee1> Hello.
• 532[02:49:44] <ee1> I just installed Debian straight from windows 10 on a USB stick, using the program rufus on windows. Is this a safe way to obtain debian, or should i re-install it with a new copy from debian? Like, downloading the iso file with VPN and just make a new copy inside debian instead.
• 533[02:50:03] <Igel> i'd rather not use kexec .. but.. dunno, any ideas?
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• 536[02:51:06] <Igel> ee1: it depends on the threat model of your environment
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• 538[02:52:44] <Igel> it is probably OK
• 539[02:53:09] <Igel> make sure rufus on windows did not install debian to a wierd file system type
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• 545[02:55:26] <Igel> Oh im sorry -- this is just the flash writer. this should be OK... if you are really paranoid then try this replaced-url
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• 547[02:56:23] <DotScreen> Hey guys, how are u doing ? Anyone in the mood to talk about certications?
• 548[02:56:44] <abrotman> DotScreen: this channel is for Debian support, perhaps you'd like to try #debian-offtopic
• 549[02:57:14] <DotScreen> Oh, sorry, I logged in on the wrong channel haha
• 550[02:57:20] <ee1> igel: What do you mean "it depends on the threat model of your environment"? I tried the tails version, but I was unlucky with it, so I had to download debian directly. Normally I would use tails to begin with and rather make a copy from tails to debian.
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• 552[02:57:37] <DotScreen> actually I wrote on the wrong chat :p, Thanks
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• 557[03:01:24] <Igel> if you fear that the computer you are using will manipulate the installation environment.. as in .. a sketchy virus
• 558[03:02:10] <Igel> say, a virus that looks for 0x7F
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• 560[03:03:01] <Igel> i mean its windows 10
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• 563[03:03:23] <Igel> you're driving an autonomous virus..
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• 575[03:11:45] <ee1> igel: just to be on the safeside I will re-install debian with a new copy on debian
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• 582[03:19:29] <pingfloyd> ee1: you should download from and official source and verify it
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• 584[03:22:31] <ee1> I did, with VPN, but this rufus usb can be a problem?
• 585[03:22:55] <ee1> Or maybe debian should find if they would implement something on it
• 586[03:23:34] <jmcnaught> ee1: rufus is known to cause problems. the recommended tool to use on windows is win32diskimager
• 587[03:24:27] <ee1> Alright, let's say I lost and now I'm on a "broken debian" system. It would be fine to just "DD" with a new copy of debian then, right?
• 588[03:26:04] <jmcnaught> ee1: you can use dd to copy Debian hybrid ISO images, or cp, or cat, or pv
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• 595[03:34:04] <ee1> Ok, so. Obtaining my debian another time from the debian system should be safe. However, I'm struggling with my VPN connection? Once I connect to my VPN, my internet stops. Using openvpn (sudo openvpn --config /home/user/Documents/*file*
• 596[03:34:04] <ee1> And then I get just perfectly fine result that says initilization sequence is completed, and then internet cease to exist. I tried to different VPN and it's the same problem.
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• 598[03:35:01] <ee1> Never used debian 9 before, but in debian 8 there was never any problem. May I ask you how you use your VPN? or maybe tell me what might be the error. And also, how do I stop the VPN service?
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• 603[03:38:08] <jmcnaught> ee1: one way to use openvpn on Debian 8 and 9 is to put an openvpn .conf file into /etc/openvpn and use the openvpn@.service. For a file /etc/openvpn/foo.conf you would use "systemctl start openvpn@foo" (replace start with stop to stop)
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• 607[03:41:32] <Guest40491> Hi everyone! why the root password isnt working with "su root" after the debian installation?
• 608[03:42:25] <jmcnaught> #866206
• 609[03:42:26] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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• 611[03:42:50] <jmcnaught> Guest40491: ^^ this problem does not happen with installer images, which are the recommended way to install
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• 613[03:43:18] <ee1> jmcnaught: Do you happen to have a simply guide for this?
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• 618[03:47:17] <jmcnaught> ee1: look at ExecStart= line from "systemctl cat openvpn@.service" output to see how it works. that line uses %i as a placeholder for the instance. There is a README.Debian.gz and other files in /usr/share/doc/openvpn
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• 620[03:48:25] <Guest40491> thanks for the answers guys! I didnt know that bug from live install. I had to fix it with some commands at the boot starting
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• 624[03:51:44] <ee1> jmcnaught: Arrigate jmc, found a guide that should do the job. I'll be back in 5 min to see if it actually works.
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• 628[03:58:10] <Guest40491> Has anyone developed devices drivers for orangepi here? I have some questions about physical memory access...
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• 633[04:00:07] <Phlunk3> hola, I am running deb 9, looking for hints here as to how to disable multitouch (but single touch should remain) on my monitor which uses hid_multitouch driver? I know this isnt really a debian thing but thought someone here may just know / be able to give me a nudge in the right direction.
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• 657[04:19:29] <SpeakFreely> In order to install Mono on debian jessie, I keep getting unmet dependency errors. Do I need to add another source?
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• 660[04:20:49] <jmcnaught> !bat
• 661[04:20:49] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
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• 668[04:23:43] <SpeakFreely> Sorry jmcnaught here is my output: replaced-url
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• 670[04:24:24] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: why are you apologizing? One moment I'll take a look.
• 671[04:24:52] <SpeakFreely> Thanks :) and I've come here enough time to realize I should say more than "hey this is a problem" lol
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• 676[04:27:33] <Proman> Hi. On GNOME desktop and cinnamon enviroment there is a fast key button on keyboard (start) that is very handy to have.. However, if I use the start button on my keyboard on MATE layout, nothing happens.
• 677[04:27:54] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: the mono-complete package you are trying to install and its dependencies aren't from Debian repos, they are from an upstream mono-project.com repo. You will need to check with them why their stuff is broken.
• 678[04:28:02] <Proman> This "applications should react on the start button. Anyway I can fix it? I'm quite fresh to Debian
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• 680[04:28:51] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: you have a few non-Debian repos, you should be careful especially with using repos and packages for other distros. Take a look at replaced-url
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• 683[04:31:03] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: alright thanks for the info!
• 684[04:32:45] <jmcnaught> Proman: most desktop environments have a tool to configure keyboard shortcuts in their settings
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• 692[04:36:42] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: so would you suggest against adding a mono-project.com repo in order to install it?
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• 695[04:38:29] <Igel> cool, its grub-reboot and a few /etc/default/grub changes..
• 696[04:38:38] <jmcnaught> SpeakFreely: I usually try to do what I need to using the software available in Debian. Sometimes that's not possible because Debian doesn't include anything, but when you use third-party repos and packages for other distros there is a risk
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• 698[04:40:14] <Igel> # Linux xxx 4.4.70.mptcp #1 SMP Sun Jun 4 21:51:14 UTC 2017 x86_64
• 699[04:40:20] <Igel> cool it worked like a charm
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• 701[04:41:54] <SpeakFreely> jmcnaught: Looks like the reason was my /etc/apt/sources.list.d/mono had wheezy instead of jessie, odd
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• 728[05:03:03] <duff> Does debian support the f2fs file system when installing it as root?
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• 840[06:44:41] <ee1> Hello. Got a question regarding the firewall UFW. What would the command line be for having all incoming traffic denied?
• 841[06:44:53] <ee1> I got sudo ufw enable to work atleast ><
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• 845[06:46:22] <burek> install - replaced-url
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• 847[06:46:46] <burek> thats graphical interface for ufw, much easier to operate
• 848[06:47:09] <ee1> ye i prefer workign with the console, since it gets actived directly on startup
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• 851[06:48:07] <burek> yeah, but console doesnt activate ufw on the startup, system does?
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• 853[06:48:47] <ee1> It becomes active before debian starts up
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• 859[06:49:57] <burek> uhm, ok
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• 862[06:50:21] <burek> replaced-url
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• 870[06:56:47] <ee1> Couldn't find it really, it's an easy command to block all incoming traffic.. like sudo ufw deny incoming..
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• 873[06:57:50] <jmcnaught> ee1: did you read ufw's man page?
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• 875[06:58:15] <burek> i think by default it blocks all incoming when you enable it
• 876[06:58:19] <burek> lemme look it up once again
• 877[06:59:48] <burek> its from 2k13, but i dont think cmds changed - replaced-url
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• 895[07:12:29] <Mick> Hi, my Debian Squezze installation keeps resetting the keyboardshortcut (ctrl+alt+t) to gnome-terminal, even if i deleted the link in the link in the keyboard-settings, and add a link to "terminator" (ctrl+alt+t)...
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• 897[07:13:07] <jmcnaught> Mick: are you sure it's squeeze (debian 6)?
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• 899[07:13:14] <Mick> how do i make that setting (ctrl+alt+t = termiator) permanent ?
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• 901[07:13:51] <Mick> terminator..
• 902[07:14:24] <well_laid_lawn> whwere are you setting that shortcut ?
• 903[07:14:30] <paqcito> Hi. Anyone in here? Do you guys think virtualization is still important in this cloud computing "era"?
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• 905[07:15:07] <Mick> it keeps resetting to gnome-terminal, i did uninstall gnome-terminal, but it keeps searching for "gnome-terminal"
• 906[07:15:56] <jmcnaught> Mick: are you actually using squeeze?
• 907[07:16:06] <Mick> Yes...
• 908[07:16:39] <Mick> I am using Debian Squeeze..
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• 911[07:17:19] <jmcnaught> Mick: you should upgrade, three times. squeeze has not had security support for quite some time.
• 912[07:17:39] <Mick> jmcnaught: upgrade to Windows ???
• 913[07:17:43] <Mick> No, thanks...
• 914[07:17:52] <Mick> I stay with Squeeze...
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• 918[07:19:05] <jmcnaught> Mick: not even the release after squeeze, wheezy, has security updates for desktop software. you need to upgrade to at least oldstable aka jessie debian 8 if you want a secure system
• 919[07:19:37] <rjsalts> s/secure system/system without known security problems/
• 920[07:19:54] <Mick> stop clogging my window, it is for text messages only, not for spam...
• 921[07:19:54] <jmcnaught> fair enough
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• 923[07:21:29] <burek> lmao
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• 930[07:27:10] <Logg> My touchscreen shows events happening on /dev/input/event4 with evtest, but it's not moving the mouse cursor or acting as a mouse button. How can I make the touchscreen work as a mouse pointer? This is a raspbian system, not actually real debian, so sorry if this is the wrong channel.
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• 933[07:30:27] <jmcnaught> Logg: it is the wrong channel ☹ you're looking for #raspbian
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• 937[07:34:07] <Mick> how do i disable the autmated creation of lost+found folders ? they are nasty and clutter my sight...
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• 939[07:35:14] <Mick> Linux has become unconfigurable, but only upgradable..., i dislike it.
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• 942[07:35:44] <burek> thats because you're on debian 6
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• 944[07:35:45] <burek> lmao
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• 949[07:37:38] <Mick> lfa ?
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• 957[07:39:19] <Logg> thanks jmcnaught :-)
• 958[07:40:27] <Mick> :-D
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• 966[07:44:11] <pragomer> I cannot set a passphrase using debian9-xfce-xarchiver for 7z-archives. In different distros with xfce I can do that. what could be the reason? (I installed p7zip-full!)
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• 1096[09:00:01] <SteeevO> if I install a live version of debian on a usb drive, will it retain software installs as well or just files I have in my home?
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• 1103[09:03:34] <well_laid_lawn> live versions boot into memory nothing will be saved
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• 1124[09:20:04] <metax> Any way to get Debian not to screen saver if YouTube is playing a video, or VLC is playing a video?
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• 1157[09:40:44] <wondiws> HELP!
• 1158[09:41:00] <wondiws> I've got all sorts of problems all of the sudden
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• 1161[09:41:17] <Drzacek> #prayforwondiws
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• 1163[09:41:23] <wondiws> The keyboard of my Lenovo Yoga stopped working in Debian, not in Grub
• 1164[09:41:29] <wondiws> and usb keyboard and mouse are jerky
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• 1166[09:41:43] <Drzacek> oh no
• 1167[09:41:51] <Drzacek> so when did that started?
• 1168[09:41:54] <wondiws> yesterday everything was fine
• 1169[09:41:57] <Drzacek> did you changed something lately?
• 1170[09:42:05] <wondiws> Drzacek, no
• 1171[09:42:08] <Drzacek> (update, new software, new hardware)?
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• 1173[09:42:21] <wondiws> I just updated software (after this started) in the hope it helps
• 1174[09:42:44] <wondiws> a new kernel image is installed as well now, but that doesn't fix it
• 1175[09:43:17] <wondiws> oh, and the touchpad isn't working either, not surprisingly
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• 1180[09:44:54] <Drzacek> what debian version?
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• 1183[09:45:08] <wondiws> Drzacek, sid
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• 1195[09:51:31] <ZSky> Hi
• 1196[09:51:37] <ZSky> When I do this from bash: while read p; do echo "$p" done <test.txt
• 1197[09:51:48] <ZSky> I get: >
• 1198[09:51:52] <ZSky> and nothing happens
• 1199[09:51:56] <wondiws> my uptime is 12 min, and some kworker thread already clocked 5:50.77, this doesnt sem riht
• 1200[09:51:56] <ZSky> any idea?
• 1201[09:52:04] <wondiws> and half my keystrokes are skipped
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• 1207[09:54:12] <ZSky> why?
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• 1211[09:55:30] <wondiws> rebot
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• 1216[09:56:18] <Popzi> where are the systemctl services stored in debian? I have delete one from /etc/systemd/system/file and /lib/systemd/system/file, but they are still within the tab of sudo systemctl status file
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• 1219[09:57:00] <Haohmaru> could they be cached?
• 1220[09:57:16] <Ke> some of them are under /run/
• 1221[09:57:18] <Popzi> Haohmaru: I have no idea, i did `systemctl disable x`
• 1222[09:57:22] <Popzi> Ke: thanks ill check that now
• 1223[09:57:43] <Ke> /run is the dir for automatically generated units
• 1224[09:57:43] <Popzi> Ke: hmm a bunch of session scopes
• 1225[09:58:31] <Popzi> Im basically trying to run uwsgi on startup as a service but for some reason every tutorial is different and ive cocked it up
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• 1247[10:09:03] <kchr> ZSky: you have to have a semicolon before the "done" keyword
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• 1250[10:11:59] <kchr> Popzi: try `systemctl daemon-reload` to pick up changes to systemd units
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• 1252[10:12:28] <kchr> usually needed if you have changed the unit files on disk
• 1253[10:12:40] <kchr> which _i think_ includes removing them
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• 1261[10:14:24] <Popzi> kchr: I've got it to work :) just problems with bloody UWSGI now -_-
• 1262[10:14:46] <Mick> how do i find out , in which repository a packet is stored ?
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• 1264[10:15:05] <Popzi> kchr: infact do you happen to know how to force a service to stop? It's hanging on trying to stop it now >_>
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• 1269[10:16:03] <elvirolo> hi all
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• 1271[10:16:57] <Hekatte07> hi
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• 1275[10:18:28] <kchr> Popzi: hanging on `systemctl stop`? no idea except killing the actual process
• 1276[10:19:00] <kchr> Popzi: you can check the PID with `systemctl status` and `kill -TERM <pid>` if it still doesn't return
• 1277[10:19:08] <Popzi> kchr: thanks :)
• 1278[10:19:41] <kchr> that will at least give the process the opportunity to terminate gracefully even if systemd is acting up :)
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• 1284[10:22:34] <Popzi> argh fking uwsgi is a #$"£$
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• 1287[10:25:30] <kchr> Mick: replaced-url
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• 1292[10:27:19] <Mick> kchr: on cli , of course...
• 1293[10:27:44] <Mick> using command-line interface..
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• 1295[10:28:49] <drxos> Hi. Impossible to connect to the root after Debian 9.0 installation. The keyboard config is ok.
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• 1297[10:28:57] <Agiofws> hello
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• 1299[10:29:22] <kchr> Mick: `apt-cache show <package>`
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• 1302[10:29:50] <kchr> Mick: alternatively you can see what repo is currently used for installed package via `apt-cache policy <package>`
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• 1307[10:32:08] <Agiofws> i have installed debian onto /dev/sda4 with out installing grub onto the mbr of sda my goal is to install grub onto a bootable usb stick can anyone help me with this problem? how do i format the tsick and how do i tell grub to install onto the usb finding all the right OSes on the partitions and writing them onto the usbs mbr?
• 1308[10:32:29] <Agiofws> can i do this through windows?
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• 1311[10:32:44] <Agiofws> even through a live cd
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• 1325[10:40:11] <wondiws> Drzacek, my keyboard an touchpad work again, after a 30min nap
• 1326[10:40:38] <Popzi> linuxy bash question: does 1 line in bash = 1 command? e.g line1 systemctl stop this, line2 systemctl start this, would turn a service on and off?
• 1327[10:40:56] <Drzacek> wondiws, great to hear
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• 1329[10:41:01] <Drzacek> what was the cause?
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• 1331[10:41:09] <wondiws> Drzacek, not a bloody clue
• 1332[10:41:15] <Drzacek> :D
• 1333[10:41:29] <Drzacek> well you are working on unstable
• 1334[10:41:37] <Drzacek> bugs are to be expected
• 1335[10:42:09] <vlt> Popzi: In general, yes.
• 1336[10:42:12] <Drzacek> btw you have more luck finding help related to buster/sid on OFTC (not freenode) network in #debian-next
• 1337[10:42:31] <vlt> Popzi: Except in your case off and on.
• 1338[10:42:33] <Drzacek> Popzi, \ and the line goes on to the next line
• 1339[10:42:41] <wondiws> Drzacek, true, but the newer versions outweigh the occasional problems for me
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• 1341[10:42:44] <Popzi> Drzacek, vlt: thanks guys :)
• 1342[10:42:54] <vlt> Popzi: The commands are executed from top to bottom.
• 1343[10:43:10] <Drzacek> wondiws, true, I'm on buster myself (at home, here on stretch), it is usable
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• 1383[11:00:05] <debianUser4234> Hello, wondering... there's a better way to check if a directory is the same of another with checksum instead of rsync ? because rsync is pretty slow..
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• 1385[11:01:06] <debianUser4234> I'm using a command like rsync -vv --checksums --recursive --times --delete --force --human-readable --progress --itemize-changes -n -W /source /dest
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• 1387[11:02:21] <fireba11> debianUser4234: you mean rsync takes longer to do checksums than other tools? seems dubious :-D
• 1388[11:02:21] <vlt> debianUser4234: You can build your own tool.
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• 1392[11:02:49] <elricsfate> Hey guys
• 1393[11:02:56] <colo-work> debianUser4234, you can always use a combination of find, md5sum, and diff - and a little creativity
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• 1395[11:02:56] <elricsfate> I'm having some issues with debconf-set-selections
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• 1397[11:03:26] <elricsfate> I'm passing in some values in an attempt to run dpkg-reconfigure non-interactively
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• 1406[11:07:35] <elricsfate> Here is all the relevant information
• 1407[11:07:37] <elricsfate> replaced-url
• 1408[11:08:25] <elricsfate> It does not seem like it's using the configured values.
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• 1446[11:23:39] <raouf> nvz
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• 1450[11:23:46] <raouf> are you here
• 1451[11:23:47] <raouf> .
• 1452[11:23:50] <raouf> .?
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• 1494[11:37:33] <dutchfish> hi, anyone know a solution to silence lircd (in a nice way) so it wont be spamming my logs, while i have no ir hardware? example; lircd-0.9.4c[723]: Error: Cannot glob /sys/class/rc/rc0/input[0-9]*/event[0-9]*
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• 1500[11:39:32] <dutchfish> unfortunately i cant remove the package since it has been autoinstalled by a tree of dependecies, which i dont want to break
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• 1508[11:43:11] <dutchfish> this is the output of `aptitude why lirc` replaced-url
• 1509[11:43:48] <humbot> dutchfish are you saying you don't need it to be running ?
• 1510[11:44:06] <dutchfish> disabling that service in systemd doesnt sustain over a reboot apropos
• 1511[11:44:13] <humbot> :o
• 1512[11:44:13] <dutchfish> yes
• 1513[11:44:45] <humbot> oh that was what i was going to suggest, have you tried update-rc.d ... too ?
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• 1515[11:45:01] <dutchfish> humbot, yup :)
• 1516[11:45:41] <humbot> sorry i don't know any more, just thought i'd chip in since no-one was answering
• 1517[11:45:59] <dutchfish> the only thing (i dont know how is) to fake a package and divert it, however i forgot how to do that in such a way that systemd is happy
• 1518[11:46:37] <dutchfish> but that woud be still a workaround the dirty way
• 1519[11:46:40] <cheapie> The last time I had to deal with this sort of thing (%*!&^ udisks) I ended up just chmodding the file it was trying to run -x, and then doing some ACL stuff to prevent it from being changed back.
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• 1522[11:46:59] <cheapie> That's probably completely the wrong way to do it, but it did work...
• 1523[11:47:12] <dutchfish> cheapie, neat trik, i try that (its dirty too), but it might work, thanks
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• 1525[11:47:38] <cheapie> That's also how I stop network-mangler from overwriting my resolv.conf on the one box where that causes problems.
• 1526[11:47:52] <dutchfish> grrr, yeh thats another on my todo
• 1527[11:48:06] <cheapie> (as I need it to configure one interface, but need DNS to go through a different one)
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• 1529[11:48:21] <dutchfish> cheapie, ditto however i run a bridge
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• 1534[11:49:03] <dutchfish> thanks to everyone for thinking along.
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• 1536[11:51:09] <dutchfish> i got it sorted out, after updating python3-yaml and libftdi1-2 from proposed, i can disable lirc now, and it sustains over a reboot. Problem solved
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• 1538[11:52:10] <dutchfish> still funny thing left is that a clean install of kde-full does install the recommends along ... mmm...
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• 1541[11:53:43] <dutchfish> uninstalling lirc and kremotecontrol also seams to not break the depencies anymore.
• 1542[11:53:51] <dutchfish> nice
• 1543[11:54:05] <dutchfish> dependecies*
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• 1552[11:59:50] <dutchfish> last q: kernel: ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: Set to 'normal', was 'performance' | ENERGY_PERF_BIAS: View and update with x86_energy_perf_policy(8) | Where can i read up about configuring these settings?
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• 1557[12:00:34] <dutchfish> (debian stable)
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• 1588[12:24:53] <tiny> I'm creating a FAI server with autodiscovery for different locations that have different IP subnets. What I would like to achieve is a location base menu in boot loader. This means different faiserver IP per location and different dhcp setting per location.
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• 1590[12:25:05] <tiny> Is it possible to achive something like that with some sort of boot parameters?
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• 1593[12:26:00] <dutchfish> tiny, yes, but not how you proposed it.
• 1594[12:26:18] <tiny> well it was a first idea that came to my mind :D
• 1595[12:26:41] <tiny> dutchfish: bootlader parameters?
• 1596[12:26:45] <dutchfish> tiny, solution: dhcp relaying over proxy, then dns it, then query the right instance of your FAI, each for every subnet.
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• 1598[12:27:04] <dutchfish> tiny, (that was in a nutshell)
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• 1602[12:27:36] <dutchfish> tiny, FAI on its own, is unaware of subnetting
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• 1604[12:27:51] <tiny> location is bare metal ... nothing is running when I start the install process. Only FAI server from a dedicated/embedded hardware attached to a L2 network.
• 1605[12:28:13] <dutchfish> tiny, right, hence you solve it by a proxy on each subnet.
• 1606[12:29:06] <dutchfish> tiny, think it over, make a plan, still questions, come back and ask specifics.
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• 1608[12:29:42] <dutchfish> tiny, it quiet a large undertaking....
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• 1611[12:31:18] <dutchfish> tiny, for small nets, {2 dhcp deamons} doc see: replaced-url
• 1612[12:31:45] <dutchfish> tiny, but i prefer the proxy approach on larger ones
• 1613[12:32:05] <dutchfish> tiny, and dhcp relaying
• 1614[12:32:11] <tiny> I think I see where you're pointing ...
• 1615[12:32:36] <dutchfish> tiny, ok, have fun with the plan, good luck!
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• 1617[12:32:41] <tiny> DNS part is unnecessary if I don't need it (or you ment something)
• 1618[12:33:41] <dutchfish> tiny, well, it depends on large nets, like mine with about 50 subnets, dns-ing it form the start makes your life alot easier. I even implemented host naming through DNS, purely for convinience.
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• 1621[12:34:08] <tiny> make sense ... I have a lot of embedded devices. Time to sort things out.
• 1622[12:34:17] <tiny> thanks dutchfish
• 1623[12:34:20] <dutchfish> tiny, rightyo
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• 1626[12:35:59] <dutchfish> tiny, hint: pfsense can do alot for you in the former mentioned aproach.
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• 1628[12:36:38] <dutchfish> tiny, or consult there docs and iplement it the Debian way.
• 1629[12:36:43] <dutchfish> implement*
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• 1638[12:42:02] <tiny> dutchfish: Using pfsense a lot, but will not be present on location, maybe if I bring one with me...
• 1639[12:42:29] <tiny> I have to setup main FW anyway ... and it'll prolly be pfsense
• 1640[12:42:46] <dutchfish> tiny, np, just a thought
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• 1644[12:44:08] <dutchfish> tiny, also think IP-aliasing, if you insist on not using DNS
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• 1647[12:44:32] <dutchfish> tiny, (prolly more work)
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• 1689[13:04:53] <BluesKaj> Hi folks
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• 1726[13:20:36] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> hi
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• 1728[13:21:23] <BluesKaj> yes it's worldwide :-)
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• 1730[13:21:39] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Greetings!
• 1731[13:21:46] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Who likes my new nick?
• 1732[13:22:15] <BluesKaj> it's a bit much :-)
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• 1736[13:22:54] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> Tell me more
• 1737[13:22:59] <Mr-IRC-Worldwide> I want to have the best nick on IRC
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• 1743[13:24:05] <BluesKaj> there's no such thing , besides that's offtopic here
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• 1751[13:27:27] <elvirolo> I'm trying to configure alsa, but i don't think I'm doing it properly. Here is the output of aplay -l :replaced-url
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• 1760[13:31:04] <dutchfish> elvirolo, is that on a raspberry pi?
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• 1763[13:32:49] <elvirolo> dutchfish: no, on an Olimex Lime2 arm board
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• 1766[13:33:25] <BluesKaj> so it is an arm device with debian
• 1767[13:33:54] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: Yes.
• 1768[13:34:32] <dutchfish> elvirolo, i rem something about Sabre USB dac problem, solved by new firmware. You could dig it up in the raspbian fora. Same approach probably for your device.
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• 1770[13:35:08] <elvirolo> dutchfish: ok, thanks a lot
• 1771[13:35:17] <dutchfish> elvirolo, yw
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• 1774[13:36:11] <BluesKaj> hmm, alsamixer opens on my rpi3 with debian pixel DE...odd
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• 1777[13:36:54] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, it is just the greater, easely changeable. have fun.
• 1778[13:37:16] <dutchfish> BluesKaj, i noticed that too.
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• 1780[13:37:57] <BluesKaj> dutchfish, well there's not much support for that device on irc i suspect
• 1781[13:38:58] <elvirolo> Weird thing is that it used to work
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• 1783[13:39:59] <elvirolo> Well, it didn't work after the previous fresh install. But it did work after editing asound.conf. The thing is I don't remember what I did last time
• 1784[13:40:05] <dutchfish> elvirolo, sorry for this is getting to much offtopic, but last remark, trying to help: replaced-url
• 1785[13:40:06] <BluesKaj> elvirolo, any package updates/upgrades lately?
• 1786[13:40:16] <dutchfish> elvirolo, maybe try there fora?
• 1787[13:40:45] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: Yes, can't remember what though
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• 1789[13:41:20] <BluesKaj> elvirolo, have you thought of upgrading to stretch ?
• 1790[13:41:51] <elvirolo> dutchfish: thank you very much
• 1791[13:42:03] <dutchfish> elvirolo, yw
• 1792[13:42:17] <elvirolo> BluesKaj: I'm using Yunohost, which isn't compatible with stretch yet
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• 1799[13:44:47] <elvirolo> weird, I got the sound to work, but alsamixer still doesn't
• 1800[13:44:58] <elvirolo> thanks a lot for your help anyway
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• 1805[13:47:03] <dutchfish> elvirolo, in that same link, some suggestions are made how to manually configure it, maybe that works for you too, or hints you to a working setup.
• 1806[13:48:10] <BluesKaj> quite a specialist setup, not very common , hard to find info
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• 1897[14:39:23] <IllusiveBagel> Hey
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• 1900[14:39:43] <moldy> hi
• 1901[14:39:50] <IllusiveBagel> sup
• 1902[14:40:30] <moldy> i have a jessie server that is running some qemu / kvm vms. they use bridged networking, as described on replaced-url
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• 1905[14:41:14] <IllusiveBagel> been thinking about strapping some together looks like an interesting project
• 1906[14:41:16] <moldy> after a reboot, the network "suddenly" stopped working. on the host, everything is still working fine. but inside the vms, the network seems to be completely dead (no reply from the DHCP server)
• 1907[14:41:35] <moldy> does anyone have any hints on how to debug this?
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• 1913[14:42:51] <moldy> interface file on the host: replaced-url
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• 1931[14:51:50] <dob1> hi, where does mutt stores its settings in the home directory ? i tried .mutt, .muttrc, .config/mutt .local/share/mutt but none of them are present
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• 1934[14:52:17] <dob1> .cache/mutt neither exists
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• 1936[14:52:25] <dutchfish> moldy, i suspect a problem with routing on the host, also notice the dropped packets on eth0
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• 1938[14:52:50] <dutchfish> moldy, 2nd inspect firewall rules on the vm
• 1939[14:53:36] <JohnCub> dob1: "Note that Mutt will recognize by default two locations for its configuration file; ~/.muttrc and ~/.mutt/muttrc"
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• 1943[14:53:59] <moldy> dutchfish: there are are no firewall rules on the vm as far as i see (ufw not installed, iptables -L just showing the default output)
• 1944[14:54:09] <JohnCub> it continues to say you can move that configuration as well
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• 1948[14:54:56] <moldy> dutchfish: routing on the host: replaced-url
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• 1951[14:55:52] <dutchfish> moldy, `route -v` please
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• 1954[14:56:53] <moldy> dutchfish: replaced-url
• 1955[14:56:55] <dutchfish> moldy, i want to see U and UG
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• 1957[14:57:29] <moldy> dutchfish: it's there?
• 1958[14:57:31] <dutchfish> moldy, looks fine to me, so thats not it
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• 1960[14:57:37] <moldy> ah, ok. yup.
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• 1963[14:58:04] <moldy> when i run dhclient in the vm, the dropped packets count on eth0 on the host does not change
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• 1965[14:58:15] <dutchfish> moldy, if you still hav access to the vm, you might try an ifup manually (just for test)?
• 1966[14:58:54] <moldy> dutchfish: same behaviour, no dhcp response
• 1967[14:59:06] <dob1> JohnCub, I don't have them
• 1968[14:59:06] <moldy> i also tried manually configuring the interface in the vm. also no luck.
• 1969[14:59:16] <dutchfish> moldy, you sure, the dhcp server is not defunct?
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• 1971[14:59:29] <moldy> i also removed the virtual nic and added a new one
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• 1973[14:59:38] <dutchfish> moldy, ah ok
• 1974[14:59:48] <moldy> dutchfish: the dhcp server works fine from the pov of the host and other systems on the network
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• 1977[15:00:22] <dutchfish> moldy, ok
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• 1979[15:00:48] <dutchfish> moldy, how does the adapter apear/or not in lspci on the vm?
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• 1983[15:01:49] <dob1> JohnCub, I found something, it stores some tmp files in /tmp
• 1984[15:02:32] <Morg0th> Hello, I just installed Debian and I can't boot in my system. It's stuck on this: replaced-url
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• 1987[15:02:46] <moldy> ifconfig inside the vm: replaced-url
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• 1991[15:03:20] <moldy> dutchfish: realtek RTL-8100
• 1992[15:03:40] <dutchfish> moldy, the correct naming convention for the adapter inside the vm for the 1st should be in the form like `enp4s0`
• 1993[15:04:09] <dutchfish> moldy, maybe thats confusing the bound
• 1994[15:04:10] <moldy> dutchfish: hmm
• 1995[15:04:42] <JohnCub> dob1: I see in the mutt man page it shows where all of its files should be. You can also check the mutt.org page "core concepts" in seciont 1, localization of initialization files
• 1996[15:05:05] <moldy> dutchfish: ah i should have mentioned: the network is dead for *all* VMs (which includes some windows machines)
• 1997[15:05:18] <moldy> so a config problem *inside* the VM seems unlikely
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• 1999[15:05:51] <dutchfish> moldy, in that case we can rule out the vm and start looking at the host probably.
• 2000[15:06:08] <dutchfish> moldy, yes
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• 2002[15:06:57] <moldy> firewall on host: replaced-url
• 2003[15:07:14] <moldy> i wonder if the docker thing could be causing problems
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• 2005[15:07:17] <dutchfish> moldy, thats fine, looks pretty default
• 2006[15:07:33] <dutchfish> moldy, is the host running on a fixed address?
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• 2008[15:08:00] <moldy> let me check...
• 2009[15:08:37] <moldy> seems to be a dynamic address
• 2010[15:09:09] <moldy> yup
• 2011[15:09:49] <dutchfish> moldy, mm.. i prefer a fixed address, and make sure its outside of the dhcp scope of your dhcp server. sometimes dhcp servers get confused about this. If so, easy to test by rebooting your fritzbox.
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• 2016[15:12:03] <dutchfish> moldy, next on the list is a tcpdump on the host interface, most likely it will hint you whats going on and why it drops the packets (vm).
• 2017[15:13:23] <dutchfish> moldy, i curieus to know why the naming convention of the vm is not on par for the interface.
• 2018[15:13:25] <moldy> dutchfish: for now i rebooted the host. it has the same ip address as before the reboot. network in the vms still dead.
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• 2021[15:14:14] <moldy> the naming convention is defined by some udev rule, iirc?
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• 2024[15:14:34] <dutchfish> moldy, are you running an old Debian as vm??
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• 2026[15:15:31] <Morg0th> Any ideas why i'm getting these errors replaced-url
• 2027[15:15:39] <dutchfish> moldy, if so, you prolly have to delete the udev rule generated by udev for `net` rule, certainly when this is a cloned vm.
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• 2030[15:16:20] <moldy> dutchfish: not sure about the history of this vm, my boss set it up :)
• 2031[15:16:48] <dutchfish> moldy, ah, check the udev rules for `net`.
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• 2034[15:17:20] <dutchfish> moldy, if this is Debian stable, then it would be handled for you.
• 2035[15:17:23] <moldy> will do later, first it's tcpdump time, i think
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• 2037[15:17:28] <moldy> it's debian 8 (jessie)
• 2038[15:17:31] <dutchfish> moldy, yup
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• 2040[15:17:40] <moldy> might be that the box was updated from debian 7, dunno
• 2041[15:17:47] <dutchfish> moldy, check udev net rule first
• 2042[15:18:12] <dutchfish> moldy, it can be deleted since its autogenerated on next boot.
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• 2046[15:18:44] <dutchfish> moldy, it rems its mac address, hence it wont work.
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• 2052[15:19:27] <dutchfish> moldy, specially on cloned system (MAC clashes)
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• 2056[15:22:05] <moldy> while running dhclient -d eth0 in the vm, this is what i see on the host: replaced-url
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• 2060[15:24:19] <moldy> `tcpdump -v -i br0 -n src 192.168.3.1` on the host does not show anything that looks like a dhcp reply...
• 2061[15:24:38] <dutchfish> moldy, and what is the MAC adres according to `sudo journalctl | grep 'MAC address'` ?
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• 2064[15:25:44] <darxmurf> how should I write my /etc/exports to allow ro access on /my/folder/ and rw access on /my/folder/rw/ ?
• 2065[15:25:57] <moldy> dutchfish: doesn't find anything
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• 2067[15:26:28] <dutchfish> moldy, that means the host doe snot expose an adapter to the vm.
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• 2069[15:26:55] <dutchfish> moldy, or an old net udev rule blocks it
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• 2073[15:27:22] <moldy> hmmm
• 2074[15:27:51] <moldy> dutchfish: where do you expect "journalctl | grep 'MAC address'" to show output? in the vm?
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• 2077[15:28:05] <dutchfish> moldy, yes
• 2078[15:28:28] <dutchfish> moldy, but it should as well on the host, but that is not relevant for now.
• 2079[15:28:59] <dutchfish> moldy, still assuming that we are talking Debian host and Debian vm.
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• 2081[15:29:24] <moldy> jessie 8.8 on both host and vm
• 2082[15:30:10] <dutchfish> moldy, oh gosh, that could mean, that the host has the same problem with an old `NET` udev rule. Can you check that first?
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• 2086[15:31:21] <moldy> dutchfish: replaced-url
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• 2088[15:32:11] <dutchfish> moldy, do does MAC address are the same as the ones listed with journalctl?
• 2089[15:32:12] <moldy> 00:25:90:df:f1:26 is the mac of eth0 on the host
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• 2091[15:32:39] <moldy> replaced-url
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• 2093[15:32:58] <dutchfish> moldy, so nope!
• 2094[15:33:07] <dutchfish> moldy, there is your problem.
• 2095[15:33:11] <protonesso> debian sid
• 2096[15:33:14] <protonesso> is good
• 2097[15:33:38] <moldy> dutchfish: what exactly is the problem? :)
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• 2099[15:34:16] <dutchfish> moldy, you can safely delete (on the host) /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules (then reboot the box and check again)
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• 2101[15:34:44] <dutchfish> moldy, it will be auto-regenerated, but this time with the correct MAC's.
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• 2104[15:35:42] <dutchfish> moldy, same drill for all your old Debian VM's btw
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• 2106[15:35:52] <moldy> dutchfish: as far as i see the macs are correct? but i'll give it a try
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• 2110[15:38:02] <moldy> dutchfish: the newly generated file after reboot is semantically identical
• 2111[15:38:31] <dutchfish> moldy, did you double check the MAC addresses?
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• 2115[15:39:01] <moldy> dutchfish: yup, looks good to me..pasting
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• 2118[15:39:14] <dutchfish> moldy, and compared it to journalctl's output?
• 2119[15:39:18] <moldy> 3 minutes... phone
• 2120[15:39:27] <JohnCub> dpkg: still salty?
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• 2122[15:39:29] <dpkg> JohnCub: are you using Windows?
• 2123[15:39:59] <JohnCub> whoever wrote that bot gets a kudos from me
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• 2130[15:43:01] <dutchfish> moldy, when you are back i want to see the output of `uname -a`
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• 2140[15:46:49] <moldy> dutchfish: Linux ben.fritz.box 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2 (2017-04-30) x86_64 GNU/Linux (on host)
• 2141[15:47:15] <moldy> udev rules & ifconfig output: replaced-url
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• 2145[15:48:09] <moldy> dutchfish: journalctl | grep MAC only shows this: replaced-url
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• 2151[15:50:06] <dutchfish> moldy, what network adapters are in host system?
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• 2154[15:50:37] <dutchfish> moldy, at least what does lspci reports on them?
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• 2160[15:54:15] <dutchfish> moldy, if this is indeed e100e, then maybe this helps replaced-url
• 2161[15:54:28] <dutchfish> s/e100e/e1000e
• 2162[15:55:08] <dutchfish> moldy, assuming you have set (or anyone before you) the MTU size manually.
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• 2164[15:56:08] <dutchfish> moldy, try in interface the phrase mtu 8996 (directly after the iface stansa)
• 2165[15:56:20] <moldy> lspci on host: replaced-url
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• 2171[15:57:42] <dutchfish> moldy, same drill for 82574 lan controller
• 2172[15:58:16] <dutchfish> moldy, it needs that mtu stansa.
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• 2174[15:58:28] <moldy> dutchfish: interesting: with NAT, everything works fine
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• 2177[15:58:56] <dutchfish> moldy, might be, since nat does also packet caching
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• 2180[15:59:26] <dutchfish> moldy, but your bridge certainly wont like it
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• 2182[15:59:49] <dutchfish> moldy, if still not owrking, try even smaller mtu sizes
• 2183[15:59:54] <dutchfish> working*
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• 2185[16:00:21] <dutchfish> (in the vm's leave it alone)
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• 2189[16:02:02] <dutchfish> moldy, in any case, it looks like (for some reason) your phys. adapters are not exposed to the bridge properly. Hence no bind possible.
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• 2195[16:04:03] <dutchfish> moldy, my time is up, i hope it helped somewhat to narrow it down, good luck.
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• 2197[16:04:40] <moldy> no difference with mtu 8000
• 2198[16:04:44] <moldy> dutchfish: you did! thanks!
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• 2202[16:05:25] <dutchfish> moldy, try exactly 8996 as MTU size in the interfaces config for the MTU size.
• 2203[16:05:37] <dutchfish> moldy, good luck
• 2204[16:06:05] <dutchfish> moldy, or 9000-4.
• 2205[16:06:19] <moldy> will try, thanks!
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• 2222[16:15:51] <moldy> for the logs: the docker firewall rules were the problem
• 2223[16:16:09] <moldy> iptables -F FORWARD; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT fixed it
• 2224[16:16:29] <moldy> i guess the host wasn't forwarding the dhcp requests from the vm to the outside network
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• 2231[16:18:10] <Walakea> i installed KDE desktop even tho i already had gnome and xfce, i noticed it messed up my GUI theme for non-GTK programs, then i removed it, but those non-GTK programs still use some weird theme, can i change it through xfce settings?
• 2232[16:18:34] <matthiaskrgr> what to do if the debian installer encounters a kernel panic during installation?
• 2233[16:19:04] <greycat> ... google the error message and try to figure out what's causing it?
• 2234[16:19:11] <moldy> get compatible hardware? ;)
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• 2239[16:20:15] <matthiaskrgr> there is no error message
• 2240[16:20:19] <matthiaskrgr> the pc just switches off and reboots
• 2241[16:21:25] <greycat> So it's not a kernel panic, then.
• 2242[16:21:34] <matthiaskrgr> mh
• 2243[16:21:52] <greycat> A kernel panic prints messages on the console and then possibly locks up, or possibly continues on.
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• 2246[16:22:03] <mertyildiran> Hi, I'm packaging my Python project with dpkg-buildpackage but resulting .deb file is not installing the Python packages specified in install_requires, setup.py. How can I fix that?
• 2247[16:22:28] <matthiaskrgr> well, how to debug this? I don't have any logs since running from read only USB drive
• 2248[16:23:01] <greycat> What kind of hardware is it, and what installer did you boot?
• 2249[16:23:09] <matthiaskrgr> t470
• 2250[16:23:17] <matthiaskrgr> (lenovo thinkpad)
• 2251[16:23:37] <matthiaskrgr> I had the guided expert gui installer I think
• 2252[16:24:04] <greycat> You got to make a choice? So it didn't power off *immediately*? What was it doing at the time it powered off?
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• 2255[16:24:18] <greycat> And which installer-thing did you boot?
• 2256[16:24:20] <matthiaskrgr> it froze for a few seconds and then powered off
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• 2259[16:24:35] <matthiaskrgr> I can retry
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• 2262[16:25:27] <matthiaskrgr> setup is debian-9.0.0-amd64-DVD-1.iso dd'ed to usb drive
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• 2264[16:25:52] <matthiaskrgr> I'll try the automated install to see what happens
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• 2267[16:27:02] <greycat> first google result I find is replaced-url
• 2268[16:27:20] <BluesKaj> matthiaskrgr, the netinstall textmode seems the most reliable method,. the guis are unreliable on some HW
• 2269[16:27:23] <moldy> so, my new question is: who or what sets the FORWARD policy to DROP on boot, and how do i change that
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• 2272[16:27:48] <greycat> moldy: there is no firewall by default in Debian, so it's something you have done
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• 2279[16:29:17] <matthiaskrgr> greycat: I tried installing fedora already (like someone mentions in the reports). the installation would succeed but I would get a crash resulting in unusable system during kernel upgrade
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• 2281[16:29:30] <moldy> greycat: probably something that was done by some package i installed. the question is: how do i find out :)
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• 2283[16:29:40] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: so, uh, don't upgrade the kernel
• 2284[16:29:50] <matthiaskrgr> ._.
• 2285[16:29:54] <moldy> greycat: current theory: ufw does that even though it is disabled
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• 2298[16:33:23] <RandomGuyOnIrc> my cron daeomon is running on utc time, but my users are on EST. How can I get the whole server running on EST?
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• 2303[16:33:52] <greycat> RandomGuyOnIrc: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
• 2304[16:33:59] <RandomGuyOnIrc> thanks!
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• 2309[16:34:47] <greycat> You may have to restart the cron service after modifying the default tz.
• 2310[16:35:09] <RandomGuyOnIrc> OK thanks
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• 2312[16:35:42] <matthiaskrgr> hm. it hangs during "Unpacking libc-bin..." now
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• 2316[16:37:04] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: based on that google result and the red hat bug report that it links to, this laptop seems particularly difficult to get current-non-bleeding Linux to work with
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• 2319[16:37:28] <greycat> Beyond that, I don't have any specific knowledge of laptops.
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• 2321[16:38:01] <matthiaskrgr> it has some ubuntu certificate, whatever that means replaced-url
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• 2323[16:39:27] <csi-rick> Hello, can anybody suggest a hosting package for a low powered debian webserver. I cannot afford Cpanel. And want to put my websites and email on it.
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• 2326[16:40:00] <greycat> matthiaskrgr: did you try Ubuntu on it, just for comparison? If that fails, maybe the hardware has an issue.
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• 2328[16:40:56] <csi-rick> hosting panel, sorry
• 2329[16:41:11] <matthiaskrgr> I tried xubuntu, but I'll give ubuntu a go as well
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• 2331[16:41:41] <matthiaskrgr> I already ran memtest and badblocks and some preinstalled self-check on the laptop, all of them returned green though
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• 2336[16:42:41] <matthiaskrgr> hmm, what kernel does testing have
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• 2340[16:42:47] <matthiaskrgr> I could also try the testing install iso
• 2341[16:42:55] <jhutchins_wk> csi-rick: If you're just hosting your own sites, just use the CLI interface. You need to know it anyway, the panel will eventually fail or fall short.
• 2342[16:43:12] <greycat> If the buster installer has 4.11 then that may be worth a try, based on the Red Hat reports.
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• 2347[16:43:50] <jhutchins_wk> csi-rick: The only real reason to use a panel is if you have computer illiterate clients who want to manage their own sites, and then you need to be the backup who knows how to fix things on the CLI.
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• 2351[16:44:59] <jhutchins_wk> matthiaskrgr: Thinkpads tend to work fairly well with most distros.
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• 2354[16:45:09] <jhutchins_wk> matthiaskrgr: Did you validate the checksum of the iso?
• 2355[16:45:28] <jhutchins_wk> ,kernels
• 2356[16:45:30] <judd> Available kernel versions are: experimental: 4.11.0-trunk-686 (4.11.3-1~exp1); sid: 4.11.0-2-686 (4.11.11-1); buster: 4.11.0-1-686 (4.11.6-1); stretch: 4.9.0-3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2); jessie-backports: 4.9.0-0.bpo.3-686 (4.9.30-2+deb9u2~bpo8+1); jessie: 3.16.0-4-686-pae (3.16.43-2+deb8u2); wheezy-backports: 3.16.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae (3.16.39-1+deb8u1~bpo70+1); wheezy: 3.2.0-4-686-pae
• 2357[16:45:31] <judd> (3.2.89-2)
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• 2359[16:46:01] <greycat> I know buster has a 4.11 kernel but I don't know if the buster *installer* does.
• 2360[16:46:13] <greycat> Or if there even is a buster installer yet.
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• 2365[16:47:01] <matthiaskrgr> buster == testing?
• 2366[16:47:06] <celyr> y
• 2367[16:47:11] <csi-rick> well I don't claim to be the brightest light on the CLI tree...I have to google almost every command....but your right
• 2368[16:47:25] <csi-rick> only way to learn it
• 2369[16:47:53] <matthiaskrgr> mmmh
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• 2375[16:50:32] <moldy> greycat: it seems that docker-engine installs something (not sure what) that sets the FORWARD policy on boot...
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• 2379[16:51:14] <greycat> Sounds horrifying and reinforces my standard response of /ignore-ing anyone who asks a Docker question in #bash.
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• 2466[17:18:46] <csi-rick> jhutchins_wk, thanks. I like that better. I may have fun with setting up and securing everything but it will be an experience I should have done years ago
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• 2515[17:34:54] <cybrNaut> if I download Release and Release.gpg, the repo sig verifies fine, manually. But aptitude claims incorrectly that the sig is invalid
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• 2520[17:38:01] <petn-randall> !bat
• 2521[17:38:02] <dpkg> In order to troubleshoot your problem with apt-get, apt or aptitude we need ALL OF THE FOLLOWING information: 1. complete output of your apt-get/apt/aptitude run (including the command used) 2. output from "apt-cache policy pkg1 pkg2..." for ALL packages mentioned ANYWHERE in the problem, and 3. "apt-cache policy". Use replaced-url
• 2522[17:38:05] <petn-randall> cybrNaut: ^^^
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• 2524[17:38:48] <petn-randall> cybrNaut: Instead of 2) you can put the output of 'apt-key list'.
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• 2528[17:40:45] <z8z> Hello guys, i need help to deactivate this retarded feature of the gyroscope sensor which shows my desktop upside down if i use laptop on my bed
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• 2530[17:41:46] <z8z> ANd it's obviously bugged too
• 2531[17:42:01] <greycat> Illuminati listening in?
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• 2534[17:42:17] <Morg0th> Hi, any idea why i'm only seeing this replaced-url
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• 2539[17:43:26] <petn-randall> Morg0th: Is that the *complete* message you see when you boot? Does switching to other terminals with ctrl + alt + F1/F2/F3/etc. change anything?
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• 2544[17:44:30] <Morg0th> petn-randall, yes, it's the whole thing, there's nothing else. i tested to do enter and alt+f1/f2 but not sure i tried it with control
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• 2546[17:44:53] <Brigo> Morg0th, you have to debug it.
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• 2550[17:45:17] <Morg0th> the thing too is that /dev/sdb1 is not where root (/) is, i think it's where /usr is (and /dev/sdb2 is /home, while /dev/sda1 is root if i'm not mistaking)
• 2551[17:45:30] <Brigo> Morg0th, try replaced-url
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• 2553[17:46:01] <Brigo> Morg0th, i would be a weird problem in a new instalation.
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• 2561[17:47:22] <petn-randall> Morg0th: How did you prepare the install image?
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• 2565[17:48:03] <Morg0th> Brigo, thanks, i'm reading that, i'll try it
• 2566[17:48:05] <Brigo> try addding systemd.debug-shell=1 in the kenel options
• 2567[17:48:17] <Morg0th> petn-randall, i installed it with the 64-bit netinst put on a usb drive
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• 2570[17:49:00] <Morg0th> Brigo, i have to edit grub.cfg to add that to the correct line, right? haven't messed with the kernel options in a long time
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• 2574[17:49:25] <greycat> Morg0th: you press 'e' to edit the grub command while booting
• 2575[17:49:26] <Morg0th> i was able to chroot to the environment from the gentoo live dvd
• 2576[17:49:29] <Brigo> Morg0th, you can't do that, push e when boot for edding the kernel at boot time.
• 2577[17:49:42] <Morg0th> ok right ok that sounds better thanks
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• 2579[17:49:52] <Brigo> Morg0th, fyi, you can do that from netinstall too.
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• 2582[17:50:46] <Morg0th> ok thanks guys, i'll try that right now and let you know how it went when i'm back
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• 2584[17:50:56] <Brigo> Morg0th, you can check grub parameters there and see if the boot options are right (the right partiton, i mean)
• 2585[17:51:08] <Morg0th> ok nice
• 2586[17:51:24] <petn-randall> Morg0th: How did you put it on the USB though? Some tools like unetbootin break the installer.
• 2587[17:51:35] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: thanks.. looks like the author just deleted the repository (replaced-url
• 2588[17:51:38] <Morg0th> petn-randall, i did it with rufus
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• 2591[17:52:35] <Morg0th> leaving now (i have to reboot, i'm on my windows partition atm on the same computer)
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• 2593[17:52:39] <cybrNaut> it's the same problem with gc2latex though.. maybe i'll return later to work on that
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• 2595[17:52:55] <saul> replaced-url
• 2596[17:53:11] <saul> this machine is using fail2ban and the action 'reject-with ...'
• 2597[17:53:21] <saul> so when i try to -D i cant get a match for that target
• 2598[17:53:39] <petn-randall> If Morg0th shows up again, tell them to retry installing using the official tools to create the USB stick. Installation is likely broken due to rufus.
• 2599[17:53:47] <petn-randall> (gotta leave now)
• 2600[17:54:09] <koollman> saul: use iptables-save, to see the correct syntax. Also I think fail2ban has a script/program to remove a specific ip
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• 2602[17:54:44] <saul> thanks koollman
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• 2609[17:56:51] <thurstylark> I want the default apache2 config back, so I deleted the config file, and reinstalled apache2, but now it's complaining about not being able to find the config file on start. How can I reinstall the default apache2 config file?
• 2610[17:57:07] <greycat> what's the file's name?
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• 2614[17:57:33] <greycat> Oh wait, you didn't say you pursed or followed any of the confmiss stuff.
• 2615[17:57:37] <greycat> purged*
• 2616[17:57:38] <greycat> !confmiss
• 2617[17:57:39] <dpkg> You have to especially tell the packaging system to reinstall config files because when they are gone, it is assumed that you want them to stay deleted. "aptitude -o DPkg::Options::='--force-confmiss' reinstall $packagename" will restore them (man dpkg for details). If the package uses <ucf> for config file management, ask me about <ucf confmiss>.
• 2618[17:57:44] <thurstylark> Ahh. cool
• 2619[17:57:47] <thurstylark> thanks
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• 2621[17:58:11] <greycat> Also be sure you identify the package that ACTUALLY CONTAINS the config file, which may or may not be the package you think it is.
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• 2624[17:58:30] <greycat> The debian devs LOVE to make things complicated.
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• 2626[17:58:54] <thurstylark> Yeah, I checked that. the necessary file is indeed in apache2
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• 2637[18:03:47] <Morg0th> Hi again. so i tried adding "systemd.debug-shell=1" to kernel options, it didn't change anything. The specified partition is correct. Doing Ctrl+alt+F[123] doesn't do anything and ctrl+alt+del does reboot the system. Still couldn't boot in debian :(
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• 2640[18:04:00] <greycat> !rufus
• 2641[18:04:01] <dpkg> rufus is a tool that can be used to make bootable USB devices under Windows. It is not recommended for use with Debian CD/DVD images, as it mangles the installer in cruel and unusual ways, resulting in hard to debug problems. Ask me about <hybrid images>, <usb install>, <win32diskimager>.
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• 2643[18:04:25] <greycat> 11:53 petn-randall> If Morg0th shows up again, tell them to retry installing using the official tools to create the USB stick. Installation is likely broken due to rufus.
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• 2646[18:05:16] <Morg0th> weird, i always used rufus for my live cds :/ what would you suggest instead then? and when rufus "mangles the installer", would it just prevent it from starting or could it make the install process successful but then cause weird boot issues?
• 2647[18:05:49] <Morg0th> ok i just read that greycat. i'll check for the official tools instead then. will have to reinstall for the 3rd time but i guess it's quick enough
• 2648[18:05:59] <greycat> Actually, what *I* would do is chroot into your half-working system (you said you were able to do that), and use THAT to write the iso image to a USB device.
• 2649[18:06:12] <greycat> Because it's not WINDOWS.
• 2650[18:06:48] <Morg0th> ok, what command would you use to write to the iso image from the chroot env? i don't think i ever did that before
• 2651[18:06:53] <prussian> I would just write the livecd to the usb drive. pretty sure there are dd builds for windows even, or cygwin
• 2652[18:07:06] <greycat> Of course this is assumiong you can somehow get the iso image into the file system space of the chrooted half installation.
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• 2655[18:07:27] <Morg0th> yep i should be able to wget the iso
• 2656[18:07:32] <greycat> Live CD images can't be used to install.
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• 2659[18:07:42] <Morg0th> i used a gentoo live cd
• 2660[18:07:45] <Morg0th> live dvd actually
• 2661[18:07:53] <greycat> Oh, those might work. I have no idea.
• 2662[18:08:00] <greycat> Debian's live images do not work.
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• 2668[18:09:25] <Morg0th> yep i saw that. ok so i'll try to recreate the usb with dd tools. thanks for your help guys
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• 2688[18:16:47] <sashpta_> hey how can i completely delete a package with all files related to it, etc? purge doesn't seem to do the job
• 2689[18:17:17] <discovered_> In debian how do start a program automatically after it's boot?
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• 2691[18:17:54] <saul> discovered_: research /etc/rc.local
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• 2693[18:18:25] <saul> sashpta_: there is a option in apt that will list the files related to a package, possibly dpkg
• 2694[18:18:29] <Mick> ls
• 2695[18:18:52] <discovered_> saul, /etc/rc.local: cannot open `/etc/rc.local' (No such file or directory)
• 2696[18:18:58] <jhutchins_wk> dpkg -L package lists the contents as installed.
• 2697[18:18:58] <dpkg> ii package lists the contents as installed. 2.2-12 jhutchins_wk's private porn collection
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• 2699[18:19:08] <saul> discovered_: you can create it
• 2700[18:19:10] <jhutchins_wk> Heh.
• 2701[18:19:40] <saul> discovered_: put a command in there like 'touch /home/myUser/hello', reboot and see if that file exists, then you know the command was executed
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• 2704[18:19:55] <saul> discovered_: also make sure rc.local is executable, look at chmod command for that
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• 2706[18:20:05] <saul> of course change myUser to your user :)
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• 2708[18:20:08] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: What program are you working with? It should have at least an init script or an systemd file if it's intended to run as a daemon.
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• 2712[18:20:49] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, it will just open a port that does not require root
• 2713[18:21:01] <jhutchins_wk> saul: He could run rc.local from the command line to test.
• 2714[18:21:25] <saul> jhutchins_wk: he wants to make sure it's running at boot though
• 2715[18:21:39] <saul> i'm not sure what distribution he uses so it's good to verify it runs at boot
• 2716[18:21:41] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: Programs that run at boot usually run as root, but you can drop to another user like apache does.
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• 2719[18:21:56] <Mick> Hi , may somebody help with Firefox videos only playing as root ? (Version 6 to 12)..
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• 2721[18:22:12] <jhutchins_wk> ,v firefox
• 2722[18:22:13] <judd> Package: firefox on amd64 -- jessie-backports/firefox-release: 52.0-1~bpo80+1; sid: 54.0-2; experimental: 55.0~b2-1
• 2723[18:22:48] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, that is what i need
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• 2733[18:23:42] <sashpta_> somehow there are tons of files missing when i install nginx replaced-url
• 2734[18:23:52] <jhutchins_wk> discovered_: I don't have any details on the process, I would guess you could look at the init script for apache to find out how they do it.
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• 2736[18:24:15] <exp-innit> the security-tracker page, is its metadata available in some sort of structured format?
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• 2738[18:24:19] <exp-innit> ie JSON, YML?
• 2739[18:24:29] <exp-innit> gotta be a better approach than parsing a webpage
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• 2741[18:24:35] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: If you have run a GUI or Firefox as root, chances are you've munged the configuration/profiles and have the wrong permissions.
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• 2744[18:25:01] <jhutchins_wk> exp-innit: There's a mailing list.
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• 2747[18:25:44] <exp-innit> jhutchins_wk: if anything that's surely less structured
• 2748[18:25:51] <exp-innit> do you happen to know what the backend infrastructure for security-tracker is?
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• 2750[18:26:12] <exp-innit> i admit I've never actually investigated this further than using the page as a handy reference
• 2751[18:26:24] <maher> is there something like screen for x sessions?
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• 2753[18:26:49] <discovered_> jhutchins_wk, how about creating a user with nopasswd for that program?
• 2754[18:26:58] <exp-innit> maher: I've yet to come across one and afaik it won't be feasible for that to be done properly until Wayland is default, but I may be entirely wrong so pinch of salt :)
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• 2765[18:29:37] <Mick> jhutchins_wk: how, would i install an old firefox version for all users with the right permissions then ? (not i my home-dir )
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• 2768[18:29:58] <Mick> but in /opt/Firefox
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• 2788[18:36:10] <exp-innit> right jhutchins_wk turns out it's replaced-url
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• 2790[18:36:15] <exp-innit> although i can't believe that's still an svn
• 2791[18:36:23] <exp-innit> really security team? really? :)
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• 2807[18:40:34] <jhutchins_wk> exp-innit: Glad you found what you needed.
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• 2809[18:41:12] <exp-innit> jhutchins_wk: i hope so :)
• 2810[18:41:28] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Use the mozilla installer, but why would you do that?
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• 2849[19:06:03] <Logg> Is this nemo extension in the debian repository anywhere? replaced-url
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• 2854[19:07:32] <Trel> I installed an instance (from the DVD1) but did not choose a mirror. Is there a default sources.list anywhere I can reference or overwrite mine with. (This has zero to do with any previous question)
• 2855[19:07:51] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
• 2856[19:07:51] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2859[19:08:46] <Trel> gracias
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• 2864[19:11:18] <Mick> jhutchins_wk: how would i install firefox for a mulituser environment, by hand ?
• 2865[19:11:26] <greycat> Yes. By hand.
• 2866[19:11:36] <Mick> manually...
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• 2868[19:11:43] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Use the mozilla installer, but why would you do that?
• 2869[19:11:45] <greycat> Extract the tarball, create a symlink from /usr/local/bin.
• 2870[19:11:52] <greycat> It's not rocket surgery.
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• 2876[19:12:59] <Mick> is there a tutorial on it, would you google that for me ?
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• 2878[19:13:07] <greycat> No, I would not google that for you.
• 2879[19:13:24] <Mick> i was not succesful in searching...
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• 2881[19:13:31] <greycat> If you can't extract a tarball and create a symlink, you are not cut out for administering a system with users.
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• 2884[19:14:20] <Mick> ln -s greycat --> pinkcat...
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• 2886[19:14:27] <Mick> i hate pink cats...
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• 2896[19:17:14] <jhutchins_wk> It is not obvious that you can still download the Linux version on a Windows box.
• 2897[19:17:42] <greycat> Why would he be on a Windows box...
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• 2899[19:18:17] <greycat> I mean, obviously, if you are installing Firefox on a Debian system, the first thing you've gotta do is log in to the Debian system.
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• 2903[19:18:36] <Mick> dang.... , even debian is not as friendly..., windows is painless, but i want linux... dang..
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• 2910[19:21:48] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: I seem to recall that at one time they had a linux installer. I found the linux tarballs at ftp.mozilla.org.
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• 2912[19:22:06] <Logg> I've decided that most of the nemo extensions found at replaced-url
• 2913[19:22:47] <greycat> If there's an "installer" it probably does all the crazy crap like copying foobar.desktop files into whatever place XDG looks for them.
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• 2920[19:24:38] <jhutchins_wk> Mick: Linux requires learning. Most things get easier as you know more. Some things will always be a pain, but far less so than in Windows because YOU can control the system.
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• 2933[19:28:24] <TRS-80> Good afternoon, gents! :)
• 2934[19:28:26] <TRS-80> in sources.list, does security.debian.org only target a point release? In other words, it needs to say stretch/updates instead of stable/updates?
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• 2941[19:30:31] <jhutchins_wk> TRS-80: It's always recommended that you use a release name in your sources.list to prevent unwanted release changes.
• 2942[19:31:01] <Logg> it should match the other lines in your sources.list anyway
• 2943[19:31:14] <jhutchins_wk> Logg: True.
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• 2947[19:32:27] <greycat> !stretch sources.list
• 2948[19:32:27] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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• 2950[19:34:21] <TRS-80> well, the others say stable, and that works, but not for security.debian.org
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• 2952[19:34:41] <greycat> I would change them all to stretch.
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• 2954[19:34:47] <TRS-80> not with https anyway
• 2955[19:34:55] <greycat> I would NOT use https.
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• 2957[19:35:14] <TRS-80> that seems counter intuitive? what am I missing
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• 2959[19:35:38] <greycat> Did you read what the bot said? You're doing every single thing wrong that you can possibly do wrong.
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• 2961[19:36:35] <TRS-80> yes I read that and have been searching internet and reading man pages already, and cannot find answer to my specific question, hence coming here
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• 2964[19:37:05] <greycat> Is your question "Why can't I randomly change bits and pieces of this file?"
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• 2967[19:37:48] <TRS-80> I suppose I am seeking to understand the underlying logic, why you can put stable in some cases and others require stretch
• 2968[19:38:25] <greycat> THen go ahead and randomly change things on your system until you discern the underlying patterns to how hard each thing breaks your system. You get to keep all the pieces.
• 2969[19:38:46] <TRS-80> I am not trying to break things, I am seeking to understaand
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• 2971[19:39:55] <TRS-80> so it's always bettter to track a point release is what you are saying? as a generality
• 2972[19:39:58] <bezaban> TRS-80: packages are signed which handle the integrity
• 2973[19:40:15] <greycat> You are not "tracking a point release". You are tracking a release, by name.
• 2974[19:40:25] <TRS-80> aka a point release
• 2975[19:40:35] <greycat> I give up. *PLONK*
• 2976[19:40:38] <TRS-80> or is my terminology incorrect?
• 2977[19:40:55] <greycat> If you want to make up your own LANGUAGE then we can't even communicate with you.
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• 2979[19:41:34] <TRS-80> OK so point releases could mean for example 9.1 9.2 eetc, correct?
• 2980[19:41:58] <TRS-80> but all would be considered "stretch"
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• 2982[19:42:00] <TRS-80> ?
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• 2985[19:44:39] <peterrooney> TRS-80: yes, all are considered stretch
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• 2987[19:46:19] <boinkboink> I have a fresh "stretch" install and trying to get MPLABX running. I've been through the multiarch wiki page used the recipe.
• 2988[19:46:30] <TRS-80> I was using wrong terminology, confusing "codename" with "point release"
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• 2994[19:48:42] <boinkboink> However the MPLABX install still wines about not finding libexpat.so libX11.so and libXext.so but I have not been able to find them. advise?
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• 2997[19:49:03] <TRS-80> greycat so targeting "stable" is no longer supported?
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• 2999[19:49:47] <greycat> Install the i386 versions of those packages, if in fact this is an i386 binary on an amd64 install.
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• 3001[19:50:11] <greycat> Use ldd on the binary and keep installing lib*:i386 pacakges until ldd is satisfied.
• 3002[19:50:54] <Logg> works for me TRS-80
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• 3005[19:51:07] <boinkboink> greycat: thank you I'll have a go!
• 3006[19:51:11] <Logg> not using https though
• 3007[19:51:43] <TRS-80> I do see the sense in using a codename, as jhutchins_wk pointed out
• 3008[19:52:02] <greycat> Logg: be sure to test it in a chroot inside a Docker container inside a fully virtualized VM and change the owner of all the files and ... and ... "for learning!"
• 3009[19:52:27] <TRS-80> so I suppose I will do that, since stretch was just released. Prior to this I was on Jessie testing, because reasons.
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• 3011[19:52:51] <Logg> lol, I'll be sure to do that greycat. NOT
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• 3013[19:53:34] <boinkboink> greycat: ldd reports: not a dynamic executable
• 3014[19:53:47] <TRS-80> I still however don'tt understand why https is a bad idea? In my mind, not doing this opens you up to potential MitM attack? No? What am I missing?>
• 3015[19:54:02] <greycat> Then what is the actual issue you're having?
• 3016[19:54:05] <prussian> objdump -p urexec
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• 3018[19:54:38] <prussian> if ldd reports that... objdump should work
• 3019[19:54:44] <prussian> or readelf assuming it's an elf
• 3020[19:54:50] <maher> TRS-80: apt / dpkg checks the package signatures
• 3021[19:55:09] <TRS-80> maher aah of course
• 3022[19:55:14] <prussian> readelf -d
• 3023[19:55:18] <prussian> i think
• 3024[19:55:18] <boinkboink> greycat: ty, i'll be back.
• 3025[19:55:41] <TRS-80> maher I see, said the blind man to his deaf son. XD
• 3026[19:55:54] <TRS-80> so it's unnecessary
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• 3028[19:56:40] <TRS-80> well you can cconnect to deb.debian.org via https with no problem, just not security.debian.org, oddly enough, which I did get a bit of a giggle out of
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• 3030[19:57:55] <boinkboink> objdump reports: File format not recognized Looks like this installer is some kind of shell script with an embedded binary of some sort.
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• 3032[19:58:18] <greycat> Did you not *read* the thing?
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• 3036[19:59:02] <preview> hi all
• 3037[19:59:26] <greycat> Is it the installer itself that fails, or is it the thing-that-was-installed that fails when you actually try to run it? Or is it some intermediate binary created during installation?
• 3038[19:59:39] <preview> I'm running out of space on my root partition, and when examining the files I noticed I have a huge (1.6 gig) lib folder?
• 3039[19:59:42] <preview> is that normal?
• 3040[20:00:00] <greycat> Which lib directory exactly?
• 3041[20:00:11] <jhutchins_wk> TRS-80: Encrypting the signed binaries is a bit redundant and it places additional load on the server, slowing performance for you and others.
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• 3044[20:00:47] <boinkboink> greycat: libexpat.so libX11.so and libXext.so
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• 3046[20:01:14] <greycat> boinkboink: what about them?
• 3047[20:01:27] <prussian> is it even an elf boinkboink
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• 3049[20:01:32] <prussian> file your-bin
• 3050[20:01:42] <greycat> I don't think he has even *found* the binary yet.
• 3051[20:01:47] <boinkboink> greycat: are the libraries complaining about.
• 3052[20:02:04] <greycat> I haven't seen a single filename or pathname come out of him except some standard-looking shared library symlink names.
• 3053[20:02:06] <TRS-80> jhutchins_wk yes, this was a little more along the lines of whatt I was trying to figure out. Thanks all for helping me to piece it together. It makes sense now. Relatively new to GNU/Linux, still trying to grok it completely.
• 3054[20:02:11] <greycat> !exact > boinkboink
• 3055[20:02:15] <greycat> grr
• 3056[20:02:17] <greycat> !exact
• 3057[20:02:17] <dpkg> Please tell us exactly what you typed, and exactly what the error was. Please use a <pastebin> like replaced-url
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• 3059[20:02:26] <jhutchins_wk> Shell scripts with embedded compressed files are a pretty common format for installers from third-party projects.
• 3060[20:02:46] <jmcnaught> preview: use "dpkg -S /path/filename" to determine which packages these files came from
• 3061[20:03:08] <TRS-80> So I will go ahead and change all my https sources back to http
• 3062[20:03:14] <greycat> preview: which lib directory exactly?
• 3063[20:03:26] <preview> @jmcnaught, none of the individual files are large, it's just the folder as a whoel
• 3064[20:03:28] <preview> whole
• 3065[20:03:37] <preview> x86_64-linux-gnu/
• 3066[20:03:41] <preview> @greycat
• 3067[20:03:50] <jhutchins_wk> boinkboink: If this package can't find essential libraries, you might reconsider whether you want it messing with your system to begin with. I do hope you've made a backup, who knows what it's going to do if it succeeds in running.
• 3068[20:04:04] <jmcnaught> preview: they're probably supposed to be there and were installed by packages. Why only show part of the path?
• 3069[20:04:17] <greycat> preview: Do you mean /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ or /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ or something else?
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• 3072[20:05:02] <maher> does anyone use sa-learn for spamassassin? I put some bayes tokens in /var/lib//spamassassin/.spamassassin/ but when I receive mail the headers say tests=BAYES_00 - how do I tell spamd to use the bayes tokens?
• 3073[20:05:04] <jhutchins_wk> preview: Messing with that folder directly is probably a Very Bad Idea.
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• 3076[20:05:48] <jhutchins_wk> maher: Looks like it's using the BAYES_00 test already.
• 3077[20:06:17] <jhutchins_wk> maher: As I recall, the documentation for enabling and managing tests is pretty clear.
• 3078[20:06:19] <greycat> On my stretch amd64 system, with X but not a DE, /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is ~21MB and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ is ~550MB
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• 3081[20:06:42] <greycat> 545 MB if I use du -sh
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• 3083[20:08:08] <preview> uh /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/
• 3084[20:08:15] <preview> is like 1.5 gig
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• 3087[20:08:31] <greycat> OK, that's 3x the size of mine. Maybe you have a whole bunch of DE and other fancy things installed that I don't.
• 3088[20:08:36] <jhutchins_wk> My /usr/lib/ is 1.4g
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• 3090[20:08:55] <Logg> Mine's 3.6G somehow
• 3091[20:08:58] <greycat> Or maybe there's a file that doesn't belong. Or several old versions of libs that you are no longer using. Or who knows.
• 3092[20:09:01] <preview> I thought a fourteen gig partition
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• 3094[20:09:15] <preview> would be enough for my root drive
• 3095[20:09:38] <preview> can I increase the size of one partition (ext4) dynamically?
• 3096[20:09:54] <TRS-80> my /usr/lib is 2.2 GiB XD
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• 3098[20:09:58] <Logg> gparted livecd would help
• 3099[20:09:59] <TRS-80> inb4 KDE XD
• 3100[20:10:00] <greycat> If it's inside an LVM, sure.
• 3101[20:10:07] <boinkboink> greycat: sri got distracted pls see replaced-url
• 3102[20:10:12] <preview> yeah so boot into a live cd
• 3103[20:10:19] <preview> but all the data on the drives will be fine, right?
• 3104[20:10:38] <greycat> boinkboink: Well *clearly* it's a shell script because you explicily ran sh.
• 3105[20:10:43] <jhutchins_wk> preview: Unless you make a mistake.
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• 3108[20:10:58] <jmcnaught> preview: this is not something you should attempt without a backup that you've tested you can actually restore from
• 3109[20:11:02] <prussian> preview: stop using ext4 and use btrfs subvolumes which don't have fixed sizes by default
• 3110[20:11:02] <boinkboink> greycat: okay
• 3111[20:11:05] <prussian> there
• 3112[20:11:08] <prussian> dynamic resizing
• 3113[20:11:13] <greycat> boinkboink: Did you install the i386 versions of those libs? And the amd64 versions also? Did you READ the shell script to see what it does? Did you try running it with sh -x and logging the stderr to a file and reviewing it?
• 3114[20:11:40] <boinkboink> greycat: i was unable to locate the i386 version of those libs.
• 3115[20:11:48] <greycat> ...
• 3116[20:11:56] <greycat> THEN WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE
• 3117[20:12:03] <alekz> lol
• 3118[20:12:06] <Logg> such anger
• 3119[20:12:16] <boinkboink> i did, pls read back
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• 3121[20:12:34] <preview> whelp I guess I have to buy some new storage
• 3122[20:12:46] <kion> is there a way to join several pdf's in the terminal, like maybe cat filex* >> final.pdf or something like that?
• 3123[20:12:57] <greycat> boinkboink: Start with libx11. You can do "dpkg -l | grep libx11" to see what the regular version is called. On stretch it's named "libx11-6". So you would try installing libx11-6:i386
• 3124[20:13:01] <greycat> And so on.
• 3125[20:13:10] <TRS-80> Logg I know, right?
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• 3127[20:13:38] <greycat> Use apt-cache search, use judd, use packages.debian.org.
• 3128[20:13:40] <boinkboink> greycat: yes I will. i'll be back.
• 3129[20:14:04] <maher> kion: pdftk *.pdf cat output new.pdf
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• 3132[20:14:45] <greycat> 13:49 greycat> Install the i386 versions of those packages, if in fact this is an i386 binary on an amd64 install.
• 3133[20:14:51] <greycat> 13:51 boinkboink> greycat: thank you I'll have a go!
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• 3142[20:17:32] <kion> thanks maher, off to the man page i go!
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• 3145[20:18:09] <boinkboink> it is in fact an i386 binary on an x64 machine. apt-get install libz11-6:i386 reports: E: Unable to locate package libz11-6:i386
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• 3147[20:18:25] <greycat> Did you even *do* the multiarch setup steps?
• 3148[20:18:29] <boinkboink> oops libz<
• 3149[20:18:34] <prussian> you you have i386 in your apt sources?
• 3150[20:18:35] <greycat> and you typoed the x as z, yes
• 3151[20:18:39] <greycat> prussian: no
• 3152[20:18:50] <greycat> !multiarch
• 3153[20:18:50] <dpkg> Multiarch allows you to install foreign architecture packages. For example, to allow i386 packages to be installed on an amd64 system: «dpkg --add-architecture i386 && apt-get update». See replaced-url
• 3154[20:19:24] <boinkboink> greycat: good catch! :)
• 3155[20:20:48] <boinkboink> prussian: yes
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• 3158[20:21:51] <greycat> prussian: boinkboink: after doing the multiarch setup step (dpkg --add-architecture), you DO NOT see "i386" in sources.list.
• 3159[20:21:59] <greycat> sources.list is not altered
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• 3162[20:23:37] <boinkboink> greycat: i can confirm i do not.
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• 3165[20:24:32] <greycat> Then why did you tell prussian that you did?
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• 3167[20:26:21] <jhutchins_wk> kion: PDF files have headers and internal structures, I doubt concatenating them would work.
• 3168[20:26:24] <boinkboink> greycat: i suppose i was not clear that he meant "sources.list"
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• 3170[20:26:48] <jhutchins_wk> kion: What you're _supposed_ to do is concatenate the original documents and re-convert.
• 3171[20:27:20] <HDY> I am a debian noob how do we upgrade "held back" packages?
• 3172[20:27:27] <kion> jhutchins_wk, maher suggested pdftk, it worked fantastic!
• 3173[20:27:27] <greycat> !held back
• 3174[20:27:27] <dpkg> from memory, kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "full-upgrade" and old packages need to be removed as part of the upgrade. To investigate, "aptitude -s install <kept-package>". See also replaced-url
• 3175[20:27:29] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Many OCR programs will process a PDF, and you could concatenate the resulting plain text.
• 3176[20:27:56] <maher> when i run spamc -R I don't see the BAYES rule - even though it shows up in the headers for the email - does spamc just talk to spamd?
• 3177[20:28:10] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Ah, didn't see that. Great!
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• 3179[20:28:22] <kion> jhutchins_wk, thanks anyways!
• 3180[20:28:23] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Sometimes a PDF is just a tiff image of a document.
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• 3183[20:28:37] <jhutchins_wk> kion: Sometimes it's plain or compressed text with markup.
• 3184[20:28:39] <HDY> thx cat
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• 3188[20:30:26] <greycat> If it's a single held-back package during a regular apt-get upgrade, very often the right answer is "apt-get install pkgname". E.g. firefox-esr just after 9.0 release.
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• 3195[20:32:39] <HDY> i was upgrading to 9.0
• 3196[20:32:50] <HDY> and it was the first time I saw it
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• 3199[20:33:51] <greycat> During a release upgrade, you'd be using dist-upgrade, and this shouldn't happen. Unless you had third party sources or something that are in the way.
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• 3204[20:35:23] <maher> ha! the bayes works!
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• 3208[20:36:33] <boinkboink> greycat: I have MPLABX installed and running now, thank you for your assistance.
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• 3210[20:36:41] <Agiofws> Hi
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• 3212[20:36:53] <maher> exp-innit: xpra is screen for X
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• 3220[20:39:37] <Agiofws> greycat: hey I think I solved my problem today
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• 3223[20:40:22] <HDY> I use apt-get upgrade before dist-upgrade is my system done for?
• 3224[20:40:32] <Agiofws> I was wondering what is the difference of the live installer and the net install iso
• 3225[20:40:42] <greycat> HDY: that's normal for the jessie->stretch upgrade, as it says in the release notes.
• 3226[20:41:04] <jhutchins_wk> HDY: That has been the recommended process for several releases. Did you read the release notes and upgrade instructions?
• 3227[20:41:12] <greycat> Agiofws: the net inst works, and the live installer does not. That's the major difference.
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• 3229[20:41:38] <Agiofws> You it does not install?
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• 3231[20:41:50] <Agiofws> Mean*
• 3232[20:42:02] <greycat> Sometimes people manage to make it install things, and then sometimes those things work, and sometimes they do not.
• 3233[20:42:09] <HDY> I looked at a random website from the internet checked for 3rd party software - only 1 found - no held back packages so I upgraded
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• 3235[20:42:26] <edin00n> hi!! The Live version allows for booting in Live mode, from which the installer can optionally be launched.
• 3236[20:42:26] <Agiofws> Well this is what I did:
• 3237[20:42:28] <HDY> and added the closest mirror to my sources
• 3238[20:42:32] <HDY> kept a copy
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• 3244[20:43:29] <greycat> edin00n: The Debian live installer has some unfixed bugs in it. Serious ones.
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• 3246[20:43:46] <Agiofws> I installed the live install onto a 4th logical partition and and told the installer to install grub onto the usb
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• 3252[20:44:22] <Agiofws> But the USB did not boot to the linux partition. It did not even boot to grub
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• 3255[20:45:50] <Agiofws> I then booted with the live CD rescue mode and somehow chrooted to the installation partition and did grub install from there to the USB and it worked :)
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• 3258[20:46:49] <greycat> Agiofws: "live install" is the root of your original problem, then. Right?
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• 3267[20:49:09] <Agiofws> Not even the net install installed grub onto the usb
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• 3269[20:49:36] <greycat> I'm fairly sure other people have done it, so I don't know what went wrong in your case.
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• 3276[20:50:31] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: By "the USB" you mean the USB with the installer on it?
• 3277[20:50:31] <Agiofws> But I think I'm going to install the net install and do the same agAin just for intergrityr
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• 3279[20:51:24] <Agiofws> No live installer was on CD as the net install
• 3280[20:51:51] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: Interesting, it _should_ have seen it as a valid target.
• 3281[20:52:43] <jhutchins_wk> Agiofws: It would have defaulted to the disk you installed -to-, but you should have been able to select the USB.
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• 3284[20:53:21] <Agiofws> I did
• 3285[20:53:36] <Agiofws> Both times even three
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• 3326[21:11:59] <amns> hey guys
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• 3328[21:12:15] <amns> how can i make debian automatically bring up eth1 and my bridge upon boot?
• 3329[21:12:34] <amns> i already have "auto" in /etc/networks/interfaces
• 3330[21:13:07] <jmcnaught> amns: can you show that file on replaced-url
• 3331[21:13:27] <jhutchins_wk> !interfaces
• 3332[21:13:27] <dpkg> Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for documentation, "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz" for example configurations. Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. replaced-url
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• 3338[21:18:00] <pie3> what is openvz
• 3339[21:18:20] <jmcnaught> pie3: replaced-url
• 3340[21:18:53] <pie3> i cant understand it
• 3341[21:19:08] <pie3> can you simpligy jmcnaught is it like virtualbox?
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• 3343[21:19:52] <jmcnaught> pie3: it's not really on-topic for #debian, but yes it's like virtualbox in a very broad sense
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• 3349[21:20:22] <amns> jmcnaught: jhutchins_wk : replaced-url
• 3350[21:20:39] <amns> this is a machine running Xen hypevisor
• 3351[21:20:49] <amns> i created a network bridge
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• 3353[21:21:02] <amns> but when i run ifup -a, it doesnt know what xenbr0 is
• 3354[21:21:05] <jmcnaught> amns: why use pastebin when i linked to one with no ads and that doesn't randomly make us fill out captchas?
• 3355[21:21:08] <amns> how can i make my bridge persist reboots?
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• 3357[21:21:32] <ninja007> Hi friends,
• 3358[21:22:00] <amns> jmcnaught: oops. i had to go to the offline computer to paste it. i manually types the URL. i though u just wrote pastebin
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• 3360[21:22:40] <amns> jmcnaught: replaced-url
• 3361[21:22:42] <jmcnaught> amns: why do you have auto eth1?
• 3362[21:23:06] <ninja007> when I run debmirror, I got an bad key issue last two days, before that everything is fine:
• 3363[21:23:08] <ninja007> gpgv: Signature made Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:31:09 AM PDT using RSA key ID 46925553
• 3364[21:23:09] <ninja007> [GNUPG:] BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
• 3365[21:23:15] <amns> jmcnaught: eth1 is the physical interface. it has to be bridged with xenbr0
• 3366[21:23:29] <ninja007> file is debian/dists/wheezy-proposed-updates/Release.gpg
• 3367[21:23:49] <ninja007> Any one know if the upstream has signed Release file with diff key?
• 3368[21:23:56] <amns> in the end, xenbr0 will have an IP while eth1 will not
• 3369[21:24:01] <jmcnaught> amns: comment out the line for auto eth1. I also suggest looking at "journalctl -u networking.service"
• 3370[21:24:03] <amns> it will be used as the bridge
• 3371[21:24:14] <ninja007> hello friends,
• 3372[21:24:29] <jmcnaught> amns: i'm familiar with how it works. i have a bridge myself. i don't 'auto' the interface, only the bridge
• 3373[21:25:00] <amns> hmmm on my other comp[uter where bridge works, i have autho for phy interface
• 3374[21:25:04] <amns> auto*
• 3375[21:25:11] <amns> ok ill try what u say
• 3376[21:25:16] <amns> do i have to reboot?
• 3377[21:25:29] <amns> or is there a faster command i can run to reset and reinit networking?
• 3378[21:25:33] <ninja007> hello?
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• 3381[21:25:56] <prussian> what?
• 3382[21:26:05] <prussian> why are you auto'ing the physical interface
• 3383[21:26:21] <amns> prussian: ok ive removed auto oh eth1
• 3384[21:26:25] <amns> on*
• 3385[21:26:28] <amns> how can i test this?
• 3386[21:26:33] <jmcnaught> amns: you can test it with "ifdown xenbr0 ; ifup xenbr0" but presumably you also want to test that it works on boot so no surprises next reboot
• 3387[21:26:44] <prussian> ifdown ifup
• 3388[21:26:51] <prussian> assuming you're using ifup
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• 3391[21:27:30] <amns> do i have to configure to use ifup somewhere?
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• 3393[21:28:08] <jmcnaught> the config file for ifupdown _is_ the /etc/network/interfaces file
• 3394[21:28:36] <amns> hmm ifup -a says cannot find xenbr0. i have already configured xenbr0 a few boots ago. how can i make the bridge persist?
• 3395[21:29:07] <amns> cannot find device "xenbr0" Failed to bring up xenbr0
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• 3397[21:29:46] <prussian> do you have a bridge in your interfaces?
• 3398[21:29:55] <amns> i thought i did
• 3399[21:29:57] <prussian> with a bridge_ports ?
• 3400[21:30:13] <amns> it works when i manually run brctl add xenbr0 and brctl addif xenbr0 eth1
• 3401[21:30:18] <amns> but i need this to be automatic
• 3402[21:31:23] <jhutchins_wk> amns: You should probably start with the NetworkConfiguration file linked above, particularly the parts about bridging.
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• 3404[21:32:13] <amns> jhutchins_wk: i looked and it didnt have anything about bridges..
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• 3406[21:32:44] <David_Hedlund> Why was Debian refused to use the package name "thunderbird" earlier (this was not a problem in other distros AFAIK)?
• 3407[21:32:46] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: this shows the problem with a verifiable repository signature that aptitude rejects => replaced-url
• 3408[21:32:48] <amns> i just need to make the bridges persist reboots
• 3409[21:33:22] <cybrNaut> when I verify the Release.gpg file manually, no problem. But aptitude update cannot verify it
• 3410[21:33:34] <jhutchins_wk> amns: The term "bridge" occurs 28 times in the document.
• 3411[21:33:39] <David_Hedlund> I know it was a trademark issue, but still, it didn'
• 3412[21:33:46] <David_Hedlund> didn't occur in other distros.
• 3413[21:34:10] <ElDiabolo> How do I create a package from what I retrieved with apt.get source?
• 3414[21:34:12] <jhutchins_wk> David_Hedlund: Different distros have different rules. They're different.
• 3415[21:34:25] <Waxhead> Just like you mount a filesystem by mount /dev/disk/by-uuid/abcdef01-2345.... I would like to open() a usb device by NOT using /dev/ttyUSB0 but the device ID provided by tools such as lsusb for example. Is there some way to do something like open(/dev/usb/by-id/046d:c626 to get access to the same USB device no matter where it shows up in the future?
• 3416[21:34:42] <amns> hmm my /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz doesnt...
• 3417[21:34:52] <Scuttle> Waxhead: udev
• 3418[21:35:24] <prussian> Waxhead: you'd have to create your own udev rule
• 3419[21:35:29] <Scuttle> Waxhead: replaced-url
• 3420[21:35:30] <David_Hedlund> jhutchins Ok, so how could DFSG not permit this?
• 3421[21:35:32] <Waxhead> Scuttle: Yeah , but I would like to avoid writing rules etc... everything me and google have found so far is a bit more complex that simply just using it.
• 3422[21:35:43] <prussian> unless devtmpfs or udevadm does that by default but I'm not aware
• 3423[21:36:06] <prussian> ye udev rules suck
• 3424[21:36:18] <prussian> I don't think I ever wrote one that actually worked to be honest
• 3425[21:36:40] <Waxhead> prussian: hehe alrighty. Thanks anyway :)
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• 3427[21:37:05] <Waxhead> prussian: ...udev e.g. the thanks goes to udev...
• 3428[21:37:05] <jhutchins_wk> amns: I suggested the NetworkConfiguration URL.
• 3429[21:37:17] <Waxhead> prussian: ....and now I feel like sh*t... thanks you too :)
• 3430[21:37:26] <prussian> sorry
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• 3435[21:38:48] <cybrNaut> Waxhead: we prefer if you're high on mushrooms or LSD, then you can bring new insight
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• 3437[21:39:19] <prussian> i jsut checked my rpi device
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• 3439[21:39:28] <prussian> it looks like there is a /dev/serial/by-whatever paths
• 3440[21:39:48] <Waxhead> cybrNaut: hehe I'll keep that in mind.
• 3441[21:39:56] <Waxhead> prussian: it is? great... let me have a look
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• 3444[21:40:52] <TRS-80> David_Heedlund I think itt had something to do with copyrighted artwork, or something... but I'm sure you could find the answer with a little research?
• 3445[21:40:55] <mutante> Waxhead: here's a cool IRC bot feature, get a breathalyzer hooked up to USB port and then write a script so users can !bac waxhead
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• 3447[21:41:06] <Waxhead> prussian: you know... this MAY work for me.... thanks a bunch.
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• 3450[21:41:21] <TRS-80> typo that was for David_Hedlund ^
• 3451[21:41:35] <ElDiabolo> All the docs I find are about packaging from scratch. And simply running dh_make fails.
• 3452[21:41:45] <Waxhead> mutante: based on what I am reading now I think someone HAVE eaten mushrooms.
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• 3457[21:42:01] <Waxhead> mutante: ....and possibly mutated
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• 3464[21:43:01] <mutante> Waxhead: hehehe :)
• 3465[21:43:05] <HDY> I compiled a kernel with bootup logo however I did not saw my penguin?? What am I doing wrong
• 3466[21:43:21] <David_Hedlund> TRS-80: Yeah, please read replaced-url
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• 3468[21:43:52] <TRS-80> David_Hedlund I actually did, a while back, which was why I reemembered that. :)
• 3469[21:44:06] <David_Hedlund> TRS-80: Heh.
• 3470[21:44:11] <Waxhead> prussian: Thanks for the path... my usb->serial bridge shows up there = I can use this!
• 3471[21:44:13] <TRS-80> I had the same question, once upon a time, and went a reading... :)
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• 3474[21:45:11] <HDY> No body answered my question now I am depressed after hours of compiling and lack of a penguin ;-;
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• 3476[21:45:35] <cybrNaut> petn-randall: guess you're not around.. i'm off for a while. will try to reach you later since your answer will likely get pushed out of my buffer
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• 3481[21:49:20] <amns> jhutchins_wk: i follwed that website. but for some reason, my bridges dont persist reboot
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• 3485[21:50:15] <jmcnaught> amns: did you look at "journalctl -u networking"? did you make any changes to your /etc/network/interfaces from before?
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• 3491[21:53:48] <amns> jmcnaught: yea i made changes you guys suggested
• 3492[21:53:55] <amns> i commented auto eth1
• 3493[21:54:23] <amns> journalctl shows "cannot find xenbr0. failed to bring up netwokring"
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• 3499[21:56:37] <amns> ok i just reconfigured the bridge
• 3500[21:56:46] <amns> and was able to be online ping worked
• 3501[21:56:56] <amns> ifdown -a worked
• 3502[21:57:18] <amns> ifup -a said RTNETLINK answers: file exists
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• 3512[22:06:32] <amns> damn, this is frustrating
• 3513[22:06:41] <amns> i rebooted and only lo came up
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• 3515[22:06:48] <amns> neither eth1 not xenbr0
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• 3517[22:06:57] <amns> prolly because auto aeth1 is commented
• 3518[22:07:00] <amns> eth1*
• 3519[22:07:55] <jhutchins_wk> amns: I would not expect eth1 to come up if it were not marked auto.
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• 3521[22:08:18] <amns> i was told to comment out that line
• 3522[22:08:23] <amns> anyhow, i have uncommented it
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• 3525[22:09:04] <amns> jhutchins_wk: how can i save my bridge across reboot?
• 3526[22:09:22] <amns> ifup -a says it cannot find xenbr0
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• 3541[22:14:40] <jmcnaught> amns: here is a sample /etc/network/interfaces file that works for me. Note the lack of "auto eth0", because eth0 is one of the bridge ports: replaced-url
• 3542[22:14:58] <amns> jmcnaught: thanks
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• 3548[22:18:07] <amns> damn i had "bridge ports eth1" instead of "bridge_ports eth1"
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• 3554[22:20:17] <jhutchins_wk> Yay, one more down.
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• 3563[22:22:10] <amns> thanks jhutchins_wk jmcnaught !
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• 3566[22:23:30] <jhutchins_wk> amns: So working as expected now?
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• 3585[22:32:19] <amns> guys, another question
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• 3587[22:32:34] <amns> how can i make debian detect my windows installation thats aon a seperate disk?
• 3588[22:32:54] <JPT> In case you're using grub, make sure os-prober is installed
• 3589[22:32:56] <greycat> make sure os-prober is installed, and rerun update-grub
• 3590[22:33:19] <jhutchins_wk> amns: How do you want it detected? What do you want debian to do with Windows?
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• 3592[22:33:37] <amns> i want a grub entry in order to boot windows
• 3593[22:33:43] <amns> i dont wanna mount from debian
• 3594[22:34:31] <greycat> Nobody said you had to mount it first.
• 3595[22:35:21] <amns> yea but i mean i just wanna be able to boot it from debian
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• 3599[22:35:54] <jhutchins_wk> amns: Then update-grub is correct.
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• 3602[22:36:23] <jhutchins_wk> amns: For some reason it often does not configure Windows to be bootable on the first pass.
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• 3618[22:41:15] <jhutchins_wk> Not sure if that's a bug or a feature, I consider it the latter.
• 3619[22:41:45] <greycat> I've seen this too, but I don't have enough data points, and have never tried to reproduce it.
• 3620[22:41:56] <greycat> And these were jessie installs.
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• 3625[22:43:54] <amns> ok guys, thanks for all your generosity with your knowledge and time today
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• 3630[22:47:16] <CoderEurope> Is there a link to Buster on the debian wiki ?
• 3631[22:47:53] <greycat> Why not ask the wiki?
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• 3633[22:48:42] <CoderEurope> cheers greycat replaced-url
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• 3671[23:06:32] <armin> [armin@styx:~] sudo systemctl edit getty@tty1.service
• 3672[23:06:33] <armin> Editing "/etc/systemd/system/getty@tty1.service.d/override.conf" canceled: temporary file is empty.
• 3673[23:06:34] <armin> [armin@styx:~]
• 3674[23:06:37] <armin> any hint what i'm missing?
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• 3676[23:06:46] <armin> e.g. why is the temporary file here empty?
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• 3679[23:07:10] <greycat> I would guess you somehow failed to save the file before you exited your editor.
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• 3682[23:07:39] <armin> greycat: i completed the edit command with bash-completion actually, hence i'm a bit confused i get an empty file to edit in the editor there.
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• 3684[23:08:22] <greycat> I'm not sure what you did inside the editor, nor what you are trying to achieve.
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• 3686[23:08:49] <greycat> Do note that if you want your modifications to apply to ALL of the gettys, you won't want to have tty1 in the name.
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• 3689[23:09:19] <ninja007> is upstream wheezy-proposed-updates/Release file correupted? I got BADSIG for this archive,
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• 3692[23:09:52] <ar404> hi
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• 3694[23:09:54] <armin> greycat: ok the problem is my lack of understanding. you won't get some kind of template file there and will have to start with an empty file by concept. my way of thinking was just broken here i think.
• 3695[23:09:55] <ninja007> Any one can help confirm the issue, like to know whether is my side issue or upstream.
• 3696[23:10:05] <mutante> expired because wheezy is old?
• 3697[23:10:07] <ar404> hay
• 3698[23:10:24] <ninja007> @mutante, I have all the keys,
• 3699[23:10:26] <ar404> maybe someone can help me please?
• 3700[23:10:29] <ninja007> expired or in service.
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• 3702[23:10:38] <greycat> armin: getty@tty1.service is not the place where the gettys are defined, so there is nothing specifically for tty1 by default
• 3703[23:11:01] <greycat> armin: what are you trying to do?
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• 3705[23:11:04] <ninja007> @mutante, the errors are: gpgv: Signature made Thu 20 Jul 2017 07:31:09 AM PDT using RSA key ID 46925553
• 3706[23:11:05] <ninja007> [GNUPG:] BADSIG 8B48AD6246925553 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>
• 3707[23:11:06] <ninja007> gpgv: BAD signature from "Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (7.0/wheezy) <ftpmaster@debian.org>"
• 3708[23:11:08] <ar404> how to setting default os on parrot os?
• 3709[23:11:16] <greycat> !parrot
• 3710[23:11:16] <dpkg> Parrot OS (replaced-url
• 3711[23:11:19] <armin> greycat: trying to learn how systemd overrides work.
• 3712[23:11:27] <ninja007> I would say, the upstream may have mismatch between Release and Release.gpg
• 3713[23:11:38] <greycat> armin: then this is not the place to start, because getty@ is a wildcard thingy that is more complex than the regular stuff
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• 3715[23:11:52] <ninja007> replaced-url
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• 3718[23:12:21] <ninja007> It will be great if someone can duplicate and I’d like to see whether I am the only one victim.
• 3719[23:12:22] <armin> greycat: i also tried with "ssh" and "sshd" and also get to start with an empty file there. i think you just have to come up with something from scratch by design when starting to write an override file for any of the completeable things there.
• 3720[23:12:23] <ninja007> :)
• 3721[23:12:33] <greycat> ninja007: "upstream" refers to places like apache.org where the orig.tar.gz files come from, not the Debian package mirrors.
• 3722[23:12:51] <ninja007> @greycat, sorry, the Debian ‘upstream’ :)
• 3723[23:13:06] <ninja007> the Debian package mirrors —
• 3724[23:13:09] <armin> greycat: i was thinking there should be something when i completed something on the commandline with the tab-key, which is probably deception by having gotten used to something.
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• 3726[23:14:03] <ninja007> the duplication is pretty straight, wget replaced-url
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• 3728[23:14:26] <greycat> armin: maybe it's a bug, I have no idea. I've never used systemctl edit.
• 3729[23:14:53] <armin> greycat: will try on different systems. thanks a lot for your kind help!
• 3730[23:15:01] <jmcnaught> armin: systemd isn't like sudo that requires visudo to edit its configs. You can just edit /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/bar.conf like any normal file. systemctl edit is just a convenience wrapper.
• 3731[23:15:08] <greycat> armin: ah, the man page suggests that you wanted --full
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• 3733[23:15:29] <ninja007> @greycat and all, It’s a pain in the neck is the Debian Archives have issues
• 3734[23:15:32] <armin> greycat: superb. that's what i was after. thank you.
• 3735[23:16:32] <armin> yeah, sudo systemctl edit --full ssh does exactly what i expected.
• 3736[23:16:54] <armin> wow. that's one of the few features that are really awesome.
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• 3739[23:18:20] <greycat> "full" edits (where you copy an entire unit file and make tweaks) should not be a common thing
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• 3742[23:18:45] <jmcnaught> armin: were you getting that error from trying to save an empty file?
• 3743[23:18:46] <greycat> Most of the time, you want to create a drop-in override which only has a couple lines, so the default settings can be updated correctly at the next release.
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• 3745[23:18:56] <prussian> systemd-delta is also useful if you use edit a lot
• 3746[23:19:04] <n4dir> jmcnaught: is it required to use visudo or recommended? I recall it to be recommended.
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• 3748[23:19:13] <prussian> keeps your diffs sane, lets you know what you're overwriting
• 3749[23:19:38] <jmcnaught> n4dir: it's "follow the instructions"
• 3750[23:19:56] <n4dir> i count that as a recommend, not as an requirement.
• 3751[23:20:04] <armin> jmcnaught: that happens when you call systemctl edit <something> without the "--full" switch. you get an empty file then to start with for writing your overrides. if then you just ":q!" you'll get that message.
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• 3753[23:20:56] <prussian> n4dir: it's recommended unless you can easily switch user to root or boot in rescue/single user mode. then do whatever you want
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• 3755[23:21:09] <armin> jmcnaught: that behaviour is called "editing drop-in files" in the man page and greycat thankfully pointed me to it.
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• 3757[23:21:28] <jmcnaught> armin: sound correct to me. why would it make an empty file? When you do that without --full, and you _actually_type_something_ then it will override the directives in the unit in /lib/systemd
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• 3760[23:23:35] <n4dir> prussian: i am wondering how a screwed visudo file should make you need to boot into rescue mode, but whatever.
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• 3762[23:24:08] <thund3rb1rd> Hi
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• 3764[23:24:36] <thund3rb1rd> How do I login to my windows machine
• 3765[23:24:54] <prussian> remotely? I don't know, WinRM?
• 3766[23:25:15] <thund3rb1rd> what are in general the credentials
• 3767[23:25:20] <prussian> probably some kerberos involved as well. easy enough ot get krb5 working
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• 3770[23:28:12] <prussian> what?
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• 3779[23:34:18] <jmcnaught> n4dir: if sudo is broken and no root password is set, then you need a rescue
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• 3790[23:39:01] <n4dir> assuming you use sudo instead of su, not as a tool for certain commands.
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• 3799[23:44:55] <Bliepo> Question: I need a newer version of a certain package, which is not available in backports. I was thinking of compiling from source, but don't know whether this is a good idea..
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• 3801[23:46:38] <Bliepo> So what would be the best way to go around it?
• 3802[23:47:07] <n4dir> !dpkg ssb
• 3803[23:47:08] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
• 3804[23:47:14] <n4dir> Bliepo: try that
• 3805[23:47:30] <Bliepo> Will do! Thanks!
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