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2 [00:01:13] <tyranny12> gahh, wpa_supplicant isnt making the log file i need...
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7 [00:02:29] <domovoy> hi
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19 [00:10:06] <domovoy> i'm trying to setup virt-builder and virt-customize to use the host's apt-cache-ng, any idea what i should put in the guest's source.list?
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22 [00:12:10] <jmcnaught> domovoy: i put 'Acquire::http::Proxy "replaced-url
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25 [00:13:53] <domovoy> jmcnaught> yeah but... what is that hostname? what nameserver does the guest use? if i run dnsmasq on the host, how to i make it listen on the "guests network"?
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30 [00:16:20] <jmcnaught> domovoy: what do you do with the VM image that virt-builder creates?
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33 [00:16:56] <domovoy> jmcnaught> for now, nothing. I'm setting up a template, to crete a bunch of VMs from later
34 [00:17:06] <domovoy> s/crete/create/
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36 [00:17:36] <domovoy> i'd need apt-cache just to speedup the image creation while working on it
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42 [00:19:08] <Antony> ciao
43 [00:19:13] <Antony> !list
44 [00:19:13] <dpkg> antony: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
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50 [00:19:51] <tx> dpkg has language detection? magic.
51 [00:19:51] <dpkg> bugger all, i dunno, tx
52 [00:19:53] <tx> !list
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54 [00:20:05] <jmcnaught> domovoy: oh, you could try "http_proxy=replaced-url
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57 [00:21:07] <domovoy> jmcnaught> that simple? i'll try it
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61 [00:22:15] <nvz> ok I just tried dd bs=1M count=10 and count=100 to this USB NTFS HDD and I got 14MB/s and 7MB/s and yet when I try copy something to or from it to my ext4 USB HDD I'm getting speeds of about 15-30kb/s on average. What is going on here?
62 [00:22:34] <nvz> that is dd if=/dev/zero
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71 [00:23:46] <dvs> nvz, do that tells me that it's the ext4 USB HDD that's slow.
72 [00:24:05] <nvz> yes, its old as dirt, let me try dd on that one
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76 [00:25:38] <nvz> dvs: dd bs=1MB count=100 if=/dev/zero of=/test.file gave me 8.5MB/s
77 [00:25:56] <L3gacy> Anyone have a good link for live Debian and hardening it?
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80 [00:26:29] <nvz> so if I'm getting well over 5MB/s writing to either drive, why am I getting less than 1/100 of a MB/s transferring files either way
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86 [00:27:56] <nvz> I'm trying to copy 28GB of data and at this rate it'd take 11 days, when it should be taking 45-90min tops
87 [00:28:16] <tyranny12> nvz: can you test read from either source without using the destination drive as the target?
88 [00:28:42] <nvz> tyranny12: only opening something to ram or to another USB device
89 [00:28:59] <nkuttler> my first guess would be it's using the same hardware, and that's crap?
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91 [00:30:08] <nvz> yes the hardware is crap but that doesn't really explain it. I wrote SD cards on this machine and it didn't take hours
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93 [00:30:46] <nkuttler> nvz: did you read from one card and write to the other?
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95 [00:31:00] <dutchfish> nvz, is this over a lan network?
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98 [00:32:26] <nvz> dutchfish: no its local from one usb sata hdd to another
99 [00:33:00] <dutchfish> nvz, ok
100 [00:33:03] <nvz> dutchfish: hardware is an orangepilite though running stretch
101 [00:33:22] <dutchfish> nvz, are they using the same controller and maybe the same interuptvector?
102 [00:33:29] <nvz> would a dd to /dev/null be sufficient for a basic read test?
103 [00:34:10] <nvz> dutchfish: the NTFS drive is a brand new WD passport, the drive debian is on is an old sata hdd with dongle, they're both on the same USB hub
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106 [00:34:41] <dutchfish> nvz, ah so its over usb and also same port
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109 [00:35:04] <nvz> dutchfish: yes, you think it would make a difference if they were on different ports?
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111 [00:35:16] <dutchfish> nvz, that can be notoriously slow, something around 5MB/sec or slower
112 [00:35:33] <dutchfish> nvz, yes it would
113 [00:35:37] <nvz> yes I'm getting nowhere near 100kb/s
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115 [00:36:01] <nvz> I was expecting 5-10MB/s not 10-30kb/s
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117 [00:36:31] <dutchfish> nvz, its impossible when you use same interupt ofr that single USB, to have it bidirectional for both devices, thats your problem
118 [00:36:44] <nvz> I can put them on seperate ports, but I'd have to shutdown since one is the OS drive and I only have two ports
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120 [00:36:57] <dutchfish> nvz, use different usb ports that would help
121 [00:37:12] <nvz> well actually I can take the keyboard nub out and switch the WD drive to that port
122 [00:37:22] <dutchfish> nvz, preferable on dif. usb host controller ports
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124 [00:37:36] <dutchfish> nvz, (as a test)
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126 [00:37:41] <nvz> yes the device only has two ports which is why I got a 4 port hub on one
127 [00:38:02] <nvz> I'll move the wd passport from the hub to the port I have the keyboard on now
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130 [00:38:13] <dutchfish> nvz, 2nd, how good is your hub, is it extarnally powered?
131 [00:38:31] <dutchfish> nvz, ok
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136 [00:41:28] <nvz> dutchfish: the hub isnt but I'm using y cables to power the hdds off their own walwarts
137 [00:42:04] <dutchfish> nvz, well, maybe you created agrounding problem by that (not sure)
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139 [00:42:19] <dutchfish> nvz, grounding problem*
140 [00:43:02] <nvz> hmm well I'm getting 1.5MB/s now at least copying 100MB of a file from one to the other using dd
141 [00:43:18] <dutchfish> nvz, still to slow
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143 [00:44:24] <nvz> yes but I'm now down to 5hrs to copy 28G instead of 11 days
144 [00:44:27] <nvz> heh
145 [00:44:39] <dutchfish> nvz, i suspect hardware (cables/power cables)
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147 [00:45:03] <nvz> I'm getting expected speeds to each drive individually though
148 [00:45:28] <nvz> I was expecting to top out at about 11-12MB/s given the hardware
149 [00:45:28] <dutchfish> nvz, maybe your computer has only 1 host controller
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152 [00:45:51] <dutchfish> nvz, then speeds go down to below half the normal speed
153 [00:45:52] <tyranny12> dutchfish: that's what im thinking.
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156 [00:46:58] <dutchfish> nvz, anyway, not a Debian problem. I hope you figure it out. Good luck!
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162 [00:48:37] <nvz> replaced-url
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169 [00:51:51] <nvz> which is showing 4 root hubs for each 1.1 and 2.0 not including the hub plugged in
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174 [00:53:06] <macrocat> the installer lets the user complete installation without installing a bootloader with no warning. that's probably a bad idea.
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176 [00:53:32] <nvz> dutchfish: in any case, it was a good catch on the ports thing, I wouldnt have thought of that as I've used usb storage on external hubs all the time
177 [00:54:04] <nvz> macrocat: it shouldn't it typically asks if you want to install a bootloader on the MBR
178 [00:54:44] <dutchfish> nvz, last but not least, if your copying action is large files, mount them without the flush option, see: /etc/mtab
179 [00:55:01] <macrocat> it does and i left the box where it asks you where you want to put it thinking it'd default to something lol
180 [00:55:41] <macrocat> time for installation attempt number... 8 i think
181 [00:55:48] <macrocat> my usb died :(
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184 [00:56:46] <nvz> macrocat: yeah well its like they say, 8th time is the charm
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187 [00:57:25] <nvz> when I first started out it was usually the partitioning that confused me, but debian is one of those systems that tends to be WIDHE compliant
188 [00:58:16] <nvz> its when you get to thinking as you say, that you get into trouble
189 [00:58:26] <nvz> When In Doubt Hit Enter (tm)
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192 [00:59:57] <macrocat> i hit enter and now i'm stuck waiting for hours again :'(
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195 [01:01:13] <nvz> WIDHE doesn't work on rubish setups but it usually works
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197 [01:01:39] <nvz> rube-ish even.. rubish sounds too much like rubbish
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201 [01:02:19] <Fjorgynn> how long can I run on Jessie?
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204 [01:06:11] <nvz> Fjorgynn: you mean as far as security updates / long term support is concerned?
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212 [01:11:03] <Fjorgynn> nvz: yeah
213 [01:11:12] <Fjorgynn> as of now my DigitalOcean vps runs Jessie
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215 [01:12:19] <jmcnaught> Fjorgynn: regular Debian security support ends for oldstable about a year after stable is released, so for that you have ~11 months. For server support, there is also LTS: replaced-url
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217 [01:12:54] <nvz> Fjorgynn: long term support is suppose to be 5 years, but security updates will only be available until about next year
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221 [01:13:44] <Fjorgynn> Then I can wait for a while until I need to upgrade
222 [01:13:49] <Fjorgynn> not like tomorrow
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225 [01:16:08] <jmcnaught> Fjorgynn: check out the release notes for stretch to see if it has anything you want
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254 [01:28:22] <Fjorgynn> yeah, probably but it's a vps with a web server so I must do a lot of backup
255 [01:28:51] <jmcnaught> Fjorgynn: you should be doing those anyways…
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257 [01:30:15] <Fjorgynn> jmcnaught: yeah :P
258 [01:30:20] <Nik05> ,help
259 [01:30:21] <judd> (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
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297 [01:50:46] <HoloIRCUser1> My favorite category is Asian. Yours?
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299 [01:51:58] <abrotman> HoloIRCUser1: Do you need help with Debian
300 [01:51:59] <abrotman> ?
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302 [01:52:34] <HoloIRCUser1> Will I be able to download Asians vids on debian too?
303 [01:52:42] <HoloIRCUser1> Coz on Windows 😏😏😏😏😏😏😏
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305 [01:52:52] <HoloIRCUser1> You know eh eh
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352 [02:12:36] <bit1> Hello!, Is there any Active Directory (R) equivalent in Debian ?
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355 [02:14:58] <jmcnaught> bit1: there are a few LDAP servers
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360 [02:15:31] <racar> Hey guys, using debian strech + kernel 4.9.30-2 with kernel module wl for my Broadcom wireless network adapter (14e4:43a0). The first 5 seconds everything is super quick. After, i got a dns timeout and the internet bit rate go super slow. Any ideas ?
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362 [02:15:53] <bit1> jmcnaught, sure!, but I need user authentication and file share
363 [02:16:30] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
364 [02:16:56] <jmcnaught> bit1: so maybe you want LDAP + NFS
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370 [02:20:29] <bit1> jmcnaught, 389-ds and this one ?
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372 [02:21:18] <jmcnaught> bit1: there's also slapd (openldap) and apacheds
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379 [02:24:12] <onca> I am having some strange issues with pxeboot and tftpd-hpa dhcpd-isc -- the same configuration works on another system, tho maybe I'm missing something.
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386 [02:30:44] <jmcnaught> bit1: you might also be interested in something like fusiondirectory if you go with openldap. 389 and apacheds both have their own management consoles
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388 [02:31:16] <bit1> jmcnaught, thanks :)
389 [02:31:20] <Solzo> Hello
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391 [02:32:08] <Solzo> I have a problem installing linux, is this the place to ask questions?
392 [02:32:15] <Solzo> debian
393 [02:32:17] <jmcnaught> bit1: i tried both 389-ds and slapd last year, and am currently implementing 389-ds. I didn't spend a lot of time looking at apacheds because it wasn't in Debian at the time
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395 [02:32:47] <jmcnaught> Solzo: welcome to a Debian tech support chatroom ☺
396 [02:33:18] <Solzo> awesome
397 [02:33:30] <tx> Hello yes I am Kunal, how may I help you today sir?
398 [02:33:57] <Solzo> When i try to install it I get to the very end of the installation process and it restarts
399 [02:34:34] <Solzo> I have a Getac S400 with 940GB SSD drive
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403 [02:34:54] <Solzo> and about 12+ GB mem
404 [02:35:09] <jmcnaught> Solzo: it's supposed to restart at the end of the installation
405 [02:35:24] <Solzo> but it doesnt get to the grub installation prompt
406 [02:35:32] <bit1> jmcnaught, nice!, I need every user could access his/her files even from different PCs.
407 [02:35:37] <Solzo> like its supposed to
408 [02:36:07] <bit1> jmcnaught, I am installing 389, I've several issues to solve.
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415 [02:37:19] <jmcnaught> bit1: 389-ds is a beast, expect to read lots of documentation (Red Hat Directory Server 10 docs) while you wrap your head around using LDAP
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419 [02:38:45] <Solzo> Ill post a reddit thread about it in the subreddit right i gtta go peace
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422 [02:39:39] <garfuncle> Hello. I have installed the wlc package but for some reason the library libwlc.so.0 does not exist anywhere.
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424 [02:39:51] <bit1> jmcnaught, sure!, I'm thinking about it,"A directory must be managed by persons not proficient in the information system as a whole."
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429 [02:41:20] <jmcnaught> bit1: i think that 389-console is good enough to be run by non-techies that have been trained to use it
430 [02:41:32] <abrotman> judd: file libwlc.so
431 [02:41:36] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
432 [02:42:26] <abrotman> garfuncle: no .so files at all in the package .. what are you actually trying to do?
433 [02:42:57] <garfuncle> Install swaywm. Via this guide made by one of the sway peeps replaced-url
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439 [02:44:28] <abrotman> it's telling you to install wlc from source
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441 [02:47:07] <garfuncle> I tried both.
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448 [02:50:19] <garfuncle> Talking to the guy who made that guide in sway irc. Told me to come here.
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455 [02:54:21] <jmcnaught> garfuncle: the wlc package in Debian is not the wlc linked to above. "apt-cache show wlc"
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460 [02:57:38] <garfuncle> Oh. Awkward. Well what the hell am I being sent you guys for? I apologize either he is a nutter or I am. Maybe a bit of both.
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533 [03:49:11] <Agafnd> what's the general opinion on snapd in the debian community?
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536 [03:49:53] <xormor> replaced-url
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550 [03:58:21] <hanasaki> have a uefi pc that has debian on it... somehow the boot is corrupted... trying to boot into a usb debian live as when deb was first installed.. the uefi says it cannot find the usb stick to boot / the usb stick boots fine on another pc and is the same one that was used to install the machine that no longer boots. any thoughts on how to get it to boot off the usb?
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552 [03:59:21] <prajamoah_> Hello Hanasaki
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554 [03:59:42] <hanasaki> hi
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556 [03:59:47] <prajamoah_> What PC do you have?
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558 [04:00:28] <hanasaki> kangaroo
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560 [04:00:48] <hanasaki> replaced-url
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569 [04:03:37] <prajamoah_> Hanasaki, can you access the BIOS Setup mode and give priority to the USB Stick for Setup installation??
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571 [04:04:15] <hanasaki> yes. tried it. didn't work
572 [04:05:59] <prajamoah_> The the PC into recoverymode then
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574 [04:07:09] <hanasaki> I can even boot to a menu and select usb however it doesn't seem to find the stick
575 [04:07:42] <prajamoah_> Change the port,
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577 [04:08:08] <hanasaki> prajamoah_: tried both ports.. and both ports do work with the usb keyboard
578 [04:08:49] <Praj_Amoah> Then it means your driver is not installed, try another USB
579 [04:09:08] <hanasaki> you mean another usb stick?
580 [04:09:13] <Praj_Amoah> Yes
581 [04:09:22] <hanasaki> tried the only 2 I have.
582 [04:09:28] <hanasaki> both diff brands
583 [04:09:32] <hanasaki> both used to work
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586 [04:10:35] <hanasaki> parallel conversation... why is it that debian 9 release uses kernel 4.9 not 4.10?
587 [04:11:06] <hanasaki> Praj_Amoah: do usb sticks really need a vendor specific driver?
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589 [04:12:08] <Praj_Amoah> Yes
590 [04:12:58] <Praj_Amoah> But not one you can download as a third party .exe file
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592 [04:13:14] <Praj_Amoah> It isntalls automatically upon first input
593 [04:13:23] <Praj_Amoah> installs*
594 [04:14:29] <hanasaki> Praj_Amoah: no exe here.. its all linux
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600 [04:15:52] <hanasaki> this same usb stick booted fine last week on the pc. this week I did a reboot and now deb on the pc won't boot and the pc cannot find a usb stick to boot from when inserted
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603 [04:17:10] <Praj_Amoah> Okay.... If that is the case, insert the USB
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606 [04:17:24] <Praj_Amoah> Then boot into grub_rescuse
607 [04:17:29] <Praj_Amoah> rescue*
608 [04:17:38] <Praj_Amoah> Set the usb as root
609 [04:17:44] <Praj_Amoah> and boot the pc
610 [04:18:08] <Praj_Amoah> if you're using grub2,
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612 [04:18:42] <hanasaki> how do you get to grub rescue please?
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617 [04:22:09] <hanasaki> Q: why does debian 9 have kernel 4.9 instead of 4.10? I thought that released kernels were even numbers not odd
618 [04:22:30] <Praj_Amoah> When you start-up, click on "c" once you see the grub..... Is this possible?
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622 [04:24:29] <hanasaki> on startup it just says "debian boot failed"
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625 [04:26:42] <will__> trying to change the folder from whihc site is served from default /var/replaced-url
626 [04:26:43] <will__> <will__> edited path in 000-default.conf and apache2.conf but then i get a 403 when i try localhost in browser. what gives?
627 [04:27:08] <will__> ignore "<will__>"
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639 [04:31:39] <MikMouse> Hi, i can't find /etc/printcap on my debian ... , any hints ?
640 [04:32:22] <tx> MikMouse: it is not used
641 [04:32:26] <tx> (any more)
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644 [04:33:07] <tx> MikMouse: I believe the lpr package still provides it though
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646 [04:33:09] <tx> "lpr"
647 [04:33:31] <tx> See: replaced-url
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650 [04:33:45] <tx> or rather, now stable: replaced-url
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656 [04:36:48] <MikMouse> so how do i verify printer-capabilities now ? (no cat /etc/printcap possible)
657 [04:37:31] <hanasaki> any thoughts as to why a pc would stop seeing the usb to boot from ? it is a uefi system
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662 [04:42:15] <Guest57398> Hey I installed debian cinnamon for good looks and tried setting up a screen saver, and it worked every time I locked the screen it was GLmatrix and it worked for a while, but then it all of the sudden just started doing the default again, and it didn't stop. How do I make it more than the boring lock screen when i lock my computer?
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671 [04:45:53] <u0_a204> exit
672 [04:45:59] <dTal> no
673 [04:46:00] <u0_a204> ooops
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680 [04:49:31] <pingouin> see you all #debian
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692 [04:59:40] <ghormoon> hi, does debian installer have some sort of feature to "export" manually done installation to use as a preseed file which I'll just slightly edit next time?
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703 [05:03:38] <dvs> ghormoon, dpkg --get-selection
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706 [05:04:18] <dvs> dpkg --get-selections
707 [05:04:18] <dpkg> dvs: I give up, what is it?
708 [05:04:34] <dvs> dpkg shut up
709 [05:04:34] <dpkg> No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P
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711 [05:05:14] <ghormoon> that looks like just list of packages
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716 [05:06:00] <ghormoon> I want something like this but with the selections made in the installer (especially partitioning stuff etc that is not so straigthforward to edit manually) replaced-url
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797 [06:12:17] <pattinathar> hello can anyone plz help me im getting dependancy error while installing the software
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805 [06:18:14] <berkiyo> anyone use debian unstable on their daily PC?
806 [06:18:48] <jmcnaught> pattinathar: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide to get help
807 [06:18:50] <pingfloyd> I wouldn't recommend it for that usage
808 [06:19:09] <pingfloyd> for "daily PC" I want something reliable
809 [06:19:13] <berkiyo> if I update once a week, is it prone to breaking? ie: less stable than an arch install?
810 [06:19:14] <berkiyo> oh
811 [06:19:18] <berkiyo> So debian stable?
812 [06:19:22] <berkiyo> is that what you use?
813 [06:19:27] <pingfloyd> berkiyo: debian unstable can break at any time
814 [06:19:42] <berkiyo> what do you use?
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816 [06:19:49] <pingfloyd> debian stable
817 [06:20:04] <somiaj> berkiyo: you should ask in #debian-next on irc.oftc.net, there are people who use sid as their daily machine, but they are also prepared to fix the machine when it breaks. If you don't want any downtime don't use unstable.
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819 [06:20:49] <berkiyo> I don't want any downtime :D
820 [06:20:52] <pingfloyd> one thing you'll encounter a lot is when all needed dependencies haven't been updated yet
821 [06:20:54] <berkiyo> but one question
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823 [06:21:02] <berkiyo> How can I use latest software like Firefox?
824 [06:21:05] <berkiyo> in stable
825 [06:21:14] <berkiyo> because IIRC, debian ships with ESR
826 [06:21:17] <berkiyo> which I don't wnt
827 [06:21:49] <pingfloyd> if you're going to use sid, I recommend always doing dry-runs first in your apt* operations
828 [06:21:49] <iodev> berkiyo what's wrong with ESR?
829 [06:21:59] <berkiyo> I want to use something like FF nightly
830 [06:22:14] <pingfloyd> berkiyo: I used the latest FF
831 [06:22:21] <pingfloyd> not nightly, but their latest release version
832 [06:22:32] <berkiyo> yeah, regular release is fine
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834 [06:22:44] <berkiyo> how did you do it? is it in the repos or do I have to manually install it?
835 [06:23:08] <pingfloyd> berkiyo: it's easy to install/remove firefox upstream though. You simply extract it where you want to "install it".
836 [06:24:08] <berkiyo> oh right
837 [06:24:29] <berkiyo> Well I am upgrading from stable to unstable (clean install) in a VM and going to see how it turns out for a few weeks
838 [06:24:58] <berkiyo> I don't really use any niche software (rather the defaults) so it should be "alright' however I would like something like stable but Ubuntu LTS like management of packages.
839 [06:25:04] <berkiyo> Oh well, I'll see how it goes :P
840 [06:25:14] <berkiyo> Thanks
841 [06:25:31] <pingfloyd> I'm sure you could probably run ff nightlies too in debian stable
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843 [06:26:19] <jmcnaught> berkiyo: instead of upgrading to unstable you could use backports, and on stretch now there's also flatpak which can be used to install newer versions of applications in a way that doesn't conflict with apt/dpkg
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845 [06:26:33] <berkiyo> oh yeah!
846 [06:26:43] <pingfloyd> I use backports myself for a few programs
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849 [06:27:26] <berkiyo> well my VM is running sid now and so far nothing has changed other than the obvious (kernel) I use xfce btw
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855 [06:31:33] <berkiyo> debian.org is the fastest mirror and I'm in the AU? wow
856 [06:32:07] <jmcnaught> berkiyo: replaced-url
857 [06:32:19] <berkiyo> Yeah it is
858 [06:32:23] <berkiyo> I was surprised
859 [06:32:41] <jmcnaught> deb.debian.org is on a CDN provided by fastly and cloudfront
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864 [06:39:59] <marco25> anyone know how to help me build this.. replaced-url
865 [06:39:59] <marco25> im getting errors
866 [06:39:59] <marco25> i did ask in ubuntu but i want help in building
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869 [06:41:25] <jmcnaught> marco25: please continue in #ubuntu, this channel is only for Debian support
870 [06:42:17] <marco25> nothing to continue for that they are dumb
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872 [06:43:50] <pattinathar> hello can anyone help me with this im getting this issue replaced-url
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908 [07:17:07] <ghormoon> how can I make apt-get not ask when replacing files during upgrade and just force it to do so? -y --force-yes didn't help :-/
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912 [07:20:04] <jmcnaught> ghormoon: when you can, use run-parts style drop in files, for example instead of editing apt.conf, put files in apt.conf.d. Also see replaced-url
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915 [07:22:02] <user___> can we hibernate & resume through network?
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917 [07:24:12] <jmcnaught> user___: you can log in with ssh and run a command like 'systemctl suspend' but to wake it up you would need wake on lan
918 [07:24:12] <user___> can we suspend debian pc & resume thru network?
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988 [08:05:58] <Deeps> kline: from 26th April 2016 to 31st May 2018, i'm good. thanks for confirming
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1019 [08:25:37] <GI_Jack> hi, I'm trying to run ntop on debian 9, but I get this error when I go to prefences
1020 [08:25:42] <GI_Jack> Script "/lua/admin/prefs.lua" returned an error:
1021 [08:25:42] <GI_Jack> Missing CSRF parameter
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1165 [09:42:58] <marco25> anyone know the fix to this in debian
1166 [09:42:58] <marco25> replaced-url
1167 [09:42:59] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1183 [09:54:03] <dcpc007> hi all
1184 [09:55:03] <dcpc007> on debian 7 i have frequently some error trying get the changelog of patch, is it a problem or are changelog not always available ?
1185 [09:55:27] <dcpc007> like : apt-get changelog sudo (or aptitude changelog sudo)
1186 [09:55:35] <dcpc007> error retrieving
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1188 [09:56:39] <dcpc007> when i look at the URl guiven : replaced-url
1189 [09:56:52] <dcpc007> --> replaced-url
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1191 [09:57:45] <celyr> I'm trying to join my debian machine to a domain using samba.
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1193 [09:57:59] <celyr> wbinfo -u is showing all users but getent passwd is showing only local users
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1195 [09:58:09] <celyr> And I've added winbind to /etc/nssswitch.conf
1196 [09:58:18] <celyr> any clue ? I'm pursuing this by two days now
1197 [09:58:32] <celyr> I've already had an argument with samba guys
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1199 [09:59:31] <celyr> dcpc007, use apt-listchanges
1200 [09:59:59] <rjsalts> celyr: getent passwd? or getent passwd user?
1201 [10:00:05] <dcpc007> celyr: same with aptitude (i use a lot for daily insall / update)
1202 [10:00:41] <celyr> rjsalts, well without user it should list them all
1203 [10:01:01] <celyr> anyway if I do getnet passwd <user_of_the_domain> then I get not any putout
1204 [10:01:04] <celyr> output*
1205 [10:01:12] <rjsalts> celyr: remote sources of user information are often not enumerated when doing getent passwd
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1207 [10:01:38] <rjsalts> celyr: at least this is true of the sss daemon
1208 [10:01:50] <rjsalts> celyr: unless you override the defaults
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1210 [10:02:14] <celyr> rjsalts, well then I should be able to login with an user account
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1212 [10:02:42] <rjsalts> celyr: or getent passwd $windowsuser
1213 [10:02:42] <celyr> but it's not working :/
1214 [10:02:53] <celyr> rjsalts, empty output
1215 [10:03:13] <rjsalts> celyr: because authentication will be done with pam presumably
1216 [10:03:23] <celyr> true
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1218 [10:04:13] <rjsalts> celyr: I haven't messed with winbind myself though, just sss and libnss-ldap, etc.
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1220 [10:04:47] <celyr> rjsalts, the point is that from now on I have no clue on how to go on, all the material that I've found (most on debian and samba itself) says that now I should be able to list the usrs
1221 [10:04:49] <celyr> users*
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1223 [10:05:13] <celyr> replaced-url
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1225 [10:05:28] <celyr> I'm stuck at setup authentication
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1228 [10:07:22] <marco25> anyone know how to fix that Beignet: "Exec event 0x5619f8becfb0 error bug
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1230 [10:07:35] <celyr> wbinfo -u is working correctly tho
1231 [10:07:36] <marco25> replaced-url
1232 [10:07:37] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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1236 [10:08:23] <rjsalts> celyr: you can do kinit/etc?
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1238 [10:08:38] <celyr> yes
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1240 [10:09:06] <rjsalts> celyr: anything in auth log?
1241 [10:09:09] <dcpc007> still an error with apt-listchanges sudo (even after a apt-get download sudo)
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1245 [10:10:07] <celyr> f word all day long
1246 [10:10:10] <celyr> f word
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1248 [10:10:31] <celyr> i was missing libnss-winbind
1249 [10:10:36] <jelly> dcpc007, online changelogs sometimes lag behind
1250 [10:10:57] <celyr> thanks rjsalts
1251 [10:11:04] <dcpc007> it's updates fromm last week
1252 [10:11:25] <dcpc007> and seems i have the same problem with all current pending securty updates
1253 [10:11:47] <dcpc007> even linux-headers-3.2.0-4-amd64
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1257 [10:13:32] <dcpc007> replaced-url
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1263 [10:15:34] <dcpc007> i test a debian 8, same problem on samba-libs, but evince guive me the changelog
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1276 [10:20:12] <dcpc007> ha seems the changelog inside an archive (tar.xz), and this archive not always present ...
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1279 [10:20:32] <dcpc007> boring when i'm asked why must we apply the updates ...
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1346 [10:51:31] <celyr> dcpc007, apt-listchanges
1347 [10:51:54] <celyr> never gave me an error.
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1358 [10:59:34] <john_rambo> I am using Debian9 XFCE... I have unchecked the "Save session for future logins" ...But when I login gkrellm flashes for a second then disappears
1359 [10:59:38] <john_rambo> $ pgrep gkrellm 1063
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1362 [11:01:00] <dcpc007> celyr: i have this on differents config ... i'll try at house without work config
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1365 [11:01:40] <dcpc007> but i see the difference in the web repo ; when listchange works : the tar.xz is present, when error, this file is not present
1366 [11:01:56] <dcpc007> then don't think it's my servers or network config
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1471 [11:53:16] <MCMic> Hello
1472 [11:54:14] <MCMic> I seem to have lost graphic acceleration after update to stretch (I don’t have compositing anymore). I have «Intel Corporation 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller»
1473 [11:54:46] <dsc_> what application wants to do graphic acceleration in this case?
1474 [11:54:53] <MCMic> plasma
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1477 [11:55:12] <MCMic> (KDE5, was using KDE4 before upgrade)
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1485 [11:59:44] <slax0r> hi, I ran an upgrade on a remote server, and got a conflict in a configuration file for a package, started a shell to inspect and merge the versions manually but lost the terminal in between, now the upgrade process is still running I guess, can I somehow continue with my work?
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1497 [12:05:05] <slax0r> nvm, sigterm'd the process, rank dpkg --configure -a and picked up where I left of
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1537 [12:23:05] <celyr> rjsalts, Now I'm fighting with Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info
1538 [12:23:41] <celyr> rjsalts, If I enter the correct password it gives me this and I've already run pam-auth-update
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1542 [12:24:17] <celyr> I have this so deeply
1543 [12:24:21] <celyr> hate*
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1562 [12:34:13] <celyr> okay
1563 [12:34:25] <celyr> I think I'll burn down the virtualization centre
1564 [12:34:34] <celyr> this thing is not working damn
1565 [12:34:40] <celyr> why does samba exists
1566 [12:34:49] <celyr> pff I go to eat see you later
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1621 [13:01:14] <Danjemin> Люди есть обладающие способностью говорить, а точнее в данный момент, писать на русском языке?
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1673 [13:28:59] <macrocat> 3
1674 [13:30:31] <mr__tea> 4
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1681 [13:33:46] <forcerecon> I am getting failed to determine the codename for the release
1682 [13:33:46] <forcerecon> not sure how to get past this one
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1690 [13:38:17] <alexises> Hello, I try to configure sssd but I can't find how to disable ssl and starttls
1691 [13:38:44] <alexises> depite the ldap_tls_reqcert = never and ldap_id_use_start_tls = false it seen to alway try to do starttls
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1694 [13:40:49] <pragomer> how can I check what locker screen is used in my stretch-xfce installation? is it lightlocker, xflock4 ?
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1702 [13:43:52] <alexises> okey, I got in on a rh documentation. I can't do without TLS :'(
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1722 [13:50:52] <vyadhaka> how to exclude $RECYCLE.BIN when running rsync , I am using exclude-from=file with - /$RECYCLE.BIN/ in it but fails, also tried /?RECYCLE.BIN/ /" $RECYCLE.BIN"/ /[$]RECYCLE.BIN/ but none worked!
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1750 [14:02:14] <forcerecon> how do you remove all the partitioning during the installer if each time you try it says its in use. I want to get the installer back to the begining of setting up the disks
1751 [14:02:14] <forcerecon> what is the process of removing raid and starting over
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1764 [14:09:37] <pvdp> Got some experience with that. I had raid + LVM. Remove lv & vg first. Then remove your raid arrays. Once that done just reset your partition table on each individual drive
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1766 [14:10:21] <pvdp> After that you can start again.
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1768 [14:11:13] <tremolo> Basically, start at the top and work your way down.
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1771 [14:12:13] <tremolo> or use dd to wipe the partition table and let the installer reinitialize the disks
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1776 [14:13:24] <forcerecon> I am in ctrl-alt-f2
1777 [14:13:24] <forcerecon> what combination to switch back
1778 [14:14:01] <tremolo> likely alt+f1
1779 [14:14:15] <spacebug^> or alt+F6
1780 [14:14:18] <tremolo> although I guess the graphical installer (if that's what you have) might not be
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1783 [14:15:53] <rafalcpp> how popular is "getent" command? is it on all debian installs? should it be present in almost all linux installs?
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1789 [14:18:04] <celyr> rafalcpp, on debian you are 99,99% sure that you have it since it's included in libc-bin
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1792 [14:18:13] <celyr> that is in the essential
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1795 [14:18:35] <celyr> I'm saying 99,99% because nobody forbid you to do rm -f getent
1796 [14:18:58] <celyr> but yeah, this is as far as it gets..
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1798 [14:19:05] <galex-713> Hi
1799 [14:19:09] <rafalcpp> ok. I see it's also on e.g. openbsd. So using getent groups instead grep ^name: should be a very compatible solution
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1826 [14:27:55] <forcerecon> I guess I am just stupid.. the message says that changes have been written but it cannot inform the kernel and you should reboot now before making any more changes..
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1829 [14:28:17] <edi> hey, where's the interfact configured in debian9 ? just did a netinstall, manual config, but /etc/network/interfaces is empty :/
1830 [14:28:39] <forcerecon> then you have the option to IGNORE or Cancel
1831 [14:28:39] <forcerecon> you would think their might be a REBOOT option in there
1832 [14:28:39] <forcerecon> so what do you do? Cancel and then reboot? Ignore and then reboot or Just hit ctrl alt delete
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1837 [14:31:00] <tremolo> forcerecon: It sounds like "ignore" ignores the issue and attempts to continue the installation, while "cancel" would cancel the installation.
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1844 [14:32:43] <forcerecon> or does it cancel what was written?
1845 [14:32:43] <forcerecon> yeah very unclear here
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1847 [14:33:44] <forcerecon> hitting cancel does nothing except get you right back to the same message and ctrl alt del does nothing, continue does nothing..
1848 [14:33:44] <forcerecon> should I ignore and reboot
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1851 [14:35:13] <edi> nevermind :)
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1863 [14:43:55] <forcerecon> Is a volume group name important and what is an example of one
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1869 [14:45:05] <tremolo> forcerecon: I usually use the hostname as the VG name.
1870 [14:45:56] <forcerecon> replaced-url
1871 [14:45:56] <forcerecon> I was thinking the same thing.. based on a user response.
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1873 [14:46:57] <forcerecon> thanks for information though
1874 [14:47:00] <tremolo> I don't generally use other VGs for non-system filesystems, and that makes it easy to identify which machine the data came from.
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1915 [15:00:12] <kjil> hallo
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1917 [15:00:28] <kjil> how change boot menu in jessy?
1918 [15:00:31] <tuH> Hello :) I'm running my system through a VPN with a killswitch, and I plan to keep it that way. My issue now is that my vpn provider does not offer port forwarding, and I want to run a vsftpd server. Can I run a lxc container with a bridged network configuration so that it would be running without the VPN? Also, would that be safe, and can I make it access my user folder?
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1921 [15:01:12] <forcerecon> setting up multiple drives in raid with lvm and encryption just to use the entire raid array as one drive is a real major pain in the ass..
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1923 [15:01:29] <forcerecon> this is silly.. ... already been two hours..
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1925 [15:02:13] <forcerecon> not really learning anything either because I am just hacking my way through it..
1926 [15:02:14] <forcerecon> Where is a tutorial on creating the raid array during graphic install and using the entire drive
1927 [15:02:17] <forcerecon> wow
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1938 [15:04:14] <forcerecon> can I just install debian to the 500GB drive guided at first and then move the home folder to the other 6 TBs> later? Am I able to configure the other drives into one array later and move the home drive there?
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1944 [15:05:44] <celyr> forcerecon, yes
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1947 [15:05:54] <kjil> how change boot menu in jessy?
1948 [15:06:05] <celyr> forcerecon, but also, usually / partition doesn't require encryption so
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1950 [15:06:53] <celyr> kjil, can't answer, question not accurate enough
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1952 [15:07:15] <kjil> what not accurate?
1953 [15:07:50] <celyr> I don't understand what change boot menu in jessy mean, that left aside that I guess that jessy is jessie
1954 [15:07:58] <tremolo> I'm not familiar with the graphical installer, haven't used it.
1955 [15:08:19] <kjil> boot menu wrong option
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1957 [15:08:34] <kjil> i want change os that boots
1958 [15:08:39] <kjil> by default
1959 [15:08:44] <sypher> forcerecon: I'm jumping into this late. What is your requirement?
1960 [15:08:54] <kjil> dualboot
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1963 [15:10:30] <celyr> kjil, what are you looking for is to edit /etc/default/grub
1964 [15:10:41] <celyr> and or /etc/grub.d
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1966 [15:11:10] <sypher> Most edits to grub should be done through /etc/default/grub.
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1969 [15:11:43] <kjil> ok what change there?
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1976 [15:12:34] <forcerecon> sypher: installing debian on a small home server.. 1 500GB drive and 3 2TB drives.. Just want to encrypt with lvm and unitlize all the drives as one big drive with a seperate home drive..
1977 [15:12:40] <kjil> cannot see anything useful there
1978 [15:12:46] <kjil> i need menu
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1981 [15:13:24] <forcerecon> I might... big MIGHT have gotten it
1982 [15:13:30] <forcerecon> it is finally installing the operating system.. so I think I figured out the puzzle of raid first and then encryption then going back to guided and this way the drive array exists blah blah blah..
1983 [15:13:36] <forcerecon> so.. let you know but thanks
1984 [15:13:49] <celyr> kjil, use GRUB_DEFAULT = x to change the default entry
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1988 [15:14:13] <kjil> celyr: it's 0
1989 [15:14:18] <celyr> Thanks
1990 [15:14:22] <celyr> I've noted that
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1992 [15:14:37] <celyr> now you can change it to what you like more
1993 [15:14:39] <celyr> Idk
1994 [15:14:39] <celyr> 2
1995 [15:14:40] <celyr> 5
1996 [15:14:42] <kjil> how i should change it
1997 [15:14:51] <kjil> what 2? what 5?
1998 [15:15:33] <kjil> i don't know what to put there
1999 [15:15:39] <sysadmin5> order of your menu
2000 [15:15:42] <sysadmin5> 0 is fist line
2001 [15:15:44] <sysadmin5> and so on
2002 [15:15:49] <sysadmin5> first*
2003 [15:15:56] <sypher> forcerecon: Doing what you're trying to do is actually far easier with the manual partitioning option.
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2009 [15:16:24] <kjil> great and where is menu? i have no idea what index is it
2010 [15:16:26] <celyr> okay I got it, you are unable to do whatever without me poiting you exactly what you have to do, please paste your /boot/grub/grub.cfg on pastebin.debian.org so we can actually tell you the keys you have to type to solve this
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2012 [15:16:50] <sysadmin5> I guess you can find menu at /boot/grub2/grub.cfg
2013 [15:17:03] <sysadmin5> or restart your system and see :P
2014 [15:17:08] <kjil> noone told that
2015 [15:17:42] <kjil> there is no grub2
2016 [15:17:50] <sysadmin5> ok just grub then, or EFI
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2018 [15:17:56] <celyr> as I said it's /boot/grub/gub.cfg
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2020 [15:18:08] <celyr> sorry
2021 [15:18:12] <celyr> as I said it's /boot/grub/grub.cfg
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2028 [15:19:11] <kjil> there is some script inside
2029 [15:19:23] <celyr> ok I'm going uppercase soon
2030 [15:19:47] <celyr> ,paste
2031 [15:20:04] <celyr> <dpkg> Do not paste more than 2 lines to this channel. Instead, use: replaced-url
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2034 [15:21:00] <celyr> please paste that "script that you didn't even try to read" in one of those sites and give me a link so I can tell you the buttons you have to press
2035 [15:22:27] <sypher> kjil: To be clear, we try to avoid spoonfeeding. It really would be better for you to learn how things work and what to change, rather than just asking for answers.
2036 [15:22:50] <kjil> i asked for instructions
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2038 [15:23:15] <sypher> kjil: What research have you done on your own on how to resolve whatever your issue is?
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2043 [15:24:42] <kjil> ,nopaste
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2046 [15:25:22] <celyr> kjil, you asked for a brainless set of commands, we already gave you all the instructions like 50 lines ago. Now you are not even following what we asked you for so
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2048 [15:26:38] <kjil> how can i copy that file from console?
2049 [15:26:39] <sypher> kjil: We're not going to act like remote tech support. We're here to advise if your own research hits a roadblock.
2050 [15:26:58] <celyr> kjil, console or terminal ?
2051 [15:27:07] <kjil> terminal
2052 [15:27:16] <celyr> what terminal ?
2053 [15:27:34] <kjil> mate terminal
2054 [15:27:53] <sypher> kjil: What is your root issue?
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2057 [15:28:07] <kjil> dualboot boots wrong os
2058 [15:28:18] <sypher> kjil: And what have you done to try to solve the issue?
2059 [15:28:46] <forcerecon> sypher: you are correct especially when you know what drives you need to create like boot, tmp, var, user and root and home etc.. etc.. etc.. I have no idea what those folders are, how to encrpt them, if they need encryption, what size to make them, I will take my time on the next one as I have another idetical server to this one I am going to build I just needed this one up and running quickly and wow.... I understand that not everything
2060 [15:28:47] <forcerecon> can be graphical , but a graphical installation should be graphical, point and click for the most part. but when it comes to drive manipulation it needs to be made visually simpler..
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2063 [15:29:20] <sypher> forcerecon: Actually, it's easier even if you don't know. Want to know more? :)
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2065 [15:29:50] <forcerecon> lol..
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2069 [15:30:35] <kjil> how can i copy that file from console?
2070 [15:30:50] <sypher> kjil: Are you going to answer my question?
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2072 [15:31:43] <forcerecon> yeah I want to know more.. I think on the next one I will make video of the entire installation utilizing raid, lvm and encryption and then determining things.. if I may inquire after the video for you or someone to watch it, then tell me what to fix or change and then I can rerun it, make a video and maybe just have one nice representation of configuring debian on a raid array would be nice for others
2073 [15:32:11] <aguitel> with libreoffice you can export some file to pdf , question : how to invert the process?
2074 [15:32:16] <tremolo> That would be cool.
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2077 [15:32:35] <sypher> forcerecon: The short version that I'll give you now: Put LVM on top of an encrypted volume, and you can just encrypt everything without needing to worry about what to encrypt and what not to.
2078 [15:32:48] <kjil> dpkg nopaste
2079 [15:32:48] <dpkg> nopaste is a command-line tool to send data to a <pastebin>. To paste e.g. your sources.list do "aptitude install libapp-nopaste-perl; nopaste /etc/apt/sources.list"; to paste the output of a program do e.g. "dmesg | nopaste".
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2081 [15:33:44] <forcerecon> sypher: and creating the array first, then encrypt, then lvm
2082 [15:34:02] <sypher> forcerecon: Basically.
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2084 [15:34:45] <forcerecon> It think the worst is if you need to back out...
2085 [15:35:04] <forcerecon> then its like okay, get rid of the DM first and then delete partitions, and then, blah blah..
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2088 [15:35:46] <forcerecon> you do it enough times you finally get the hang of it.. but a nice video would have well.... been nice
2089 [15:35:46] <forcerecon> just for reference
2090 [15:35:46] <forcerecon> thanks guys
2091 [15:36:17] <kjil> pastebinit says "bad api request invalid api_dev_key"
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2094 [15:37:36] <celyr> kjil, just... select the text right click and copy
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2100 [15:39:10] <celyr> kjil, are you sure you don't want to get rid of linux completely ?
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2104 [15:42:24] <kjil> pasted in replaced-url
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2107 [15:43:40] <celyr> kjil, do you play heroes of the storm ?
2108 [15:44:04] <kjil> no
2109 [15:44:23] <celyr> nice
2110 [15:45:02] <celyr> Don't even try it please, what you have to put on GRUB_DEFAULT is 'Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs (на /dev/sda1)'
2111 [15:45:03] <celyr> or 4
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2129 [15:49:45] <kjil> doesn't work
2130 [15:49:49] <kjil> i put 4
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2134 [15:50:00] <kjil> still selected the first
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2136 [15:50:28] <kjil> even after grub-update
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2141 [15:51:38] <sypher> One could conceivably Google (or whatever search engine) GRUB_DEFAULT to find how it works.
2142 [15:51:46] <rocket_man> Hello all, I'm having a trouble with boot. I recently upgraded from Jessie to Stretch and my computer is taking ~30 seconds longer to boot each time (from ~15 seconds to ~45). Here is the output of dmesg: replaced-url
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2146 [15:53:03] <kjil> no matter what i put it still select the top entry
2147 [15:53:52] <rocket_man> I'm thinking the problem is somewhere between these two lines: [ 2.966254] clocksource: Switched to clocksource tsc [ 34.600249] EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)
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2155 [15:56:54] <kjil> how to change default menu entry, in grub?
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2159 [15:57:52] <sypher> kjil: What research have you done to try to solve the issue other than badgering people in this channel?
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2161 [15:58:08] <celyr> kjil, replaced-url
2162 [15:58:22] <sypher> kjil: And ignoring everyone who isn't blatantly doing this for you is not winning you any points.
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2164 [15:58:38] <petn-randall> rocket_man: The kernel output is irrelevant. You probably have a service that is trying to start and times out. Can you share the output of 'systemd-analyze critical-chain' to replaced-url
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2166 [15:58:51] <kjil> i changed it, doesn't work
2167 [15:58:57] <rocket_man> sure, one sec
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2170 [15:59:10] <sypher> petn-randall: Writing that one down...
2171 [15:59:20] <boser> Xcuse, where can i report a bug in debian-jessie?
2172 [15:59:26] <sypher> kjil: That's not research.
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2175 [15:59:49] <sypher> kjil: Learn how GRUB configuration works, and this task will become a simple one.
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2179 [16:01:06] <rocket_man> blame + critical-chain: replaced-url
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2181 [16:01:31] <rocket_man> found this line: 30.286s NetworkManager-wait-online.service
2182 [16:01:37] <kjil> why does it not work?
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2185 [16:02:23] <sypher> kjil: Because you're blindly making changes without understanding what you're doing.
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2189 [16:04:12] <kjil> why GRUB_DEFAULT does not work?
2190 [16:04:13] <rocket_man> I'm going to try `systemctrl disable NetworkManager-wait-online.service`, will that hurt anything important?
2191 [16:04:29] <rafalcpp> that strategy can work, if kjil wold breed often, select partners depending on results of their efforts on this topic, and sometime mutate
2192 [16:04:40] <Bermuda> ugh
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2194 [16:04:49] <Bermuda> wat is a dirty bit
2195 [16:04:51] <Bermuda> lol
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2198 [16:05:27] <rocket_man> Bermuda - it's a notice to the OS that it wasn't shutdown cleanly
2199 [16:05:37] <Bermuda> yeah
2200 [16:05:43] <rocket_man> ex if you pull the plug
2201 [16:05:46] <petn-randall> !doesnt work
2202 [16:05:47] <dpkg> "Doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message?". Ask me about <smart questions>, <sicco> and <errors>.
2203 [16:06:03] <boser> !bug
2204 [16:06:04] <dpkg> Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, replaced-url
2205 [16:06:07] <kjil> grub still select the first entry
2206 [16:06:21] <Bermuda> is there a way to install flash on 9.0.1
2207 [16:06:30] <petn-randall> boser: Use the 'reportbug' tool. You might have to install it first.
2208 [16:06:30] <kjil> i set grub_default and ran update-grub
2209 [16:06:55] <rocket_man> ok see you guys soon, doing a reboo
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2213 [16:07:39] <boser> petn-randall: thx.
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2215 [16:10:15] <kjil> so you give advices that do not work
2216 [16:10:20] <forcerecon> well... I am now in grub rescue
2217 [16:10:20] <forcerecon> I have typed ls
2218 [16:10:24] <forcerecon> I am then checking each drive
2219 [16:10:35] <kjil> and insult me
2220 [16:10:48] <Bermuda> lol
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2222 [16:11:21] <forcerecon> but nothing is saying ext2.. all state Filesystem is unknown
2223 [16:11:21] <forcerecon> what can I do now
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2227 [16:12:26] <forcerecon> when you ls it comes back with hd0 hd1 hd2 hd3 etc.. when you check each one should you include the brackets like ls (hd0)
2228 [16:12:36] <rocket_man> hello everyone, was just here. My boot problem didn't go away :/
2229 [16:12:51] <rocket_man> going to make a stackoverflow post so it's easier to read
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2231 [16:13:11] <tuH> What is the preffered way to share files on your debian between other devices on the network? Laptop/tablets/smartphone etc?
2232 [16:13:16] <celyr> kjil, we are not insulting you, we are helping you to find the solution even if you have a very bad attitude. We are not paid, we are not certified, we are a community
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2235 [16:13:49] <celyr> kjil, if you try to help each other to SEEK solutions, so I give you all the hints I could the YOU HAVE TO FIND YOURSELF A SOLUTION WORKING FOR YOU
2236 [16:14:02] <tremolo> tuH: I mostly use rsync.
2237 [16:14:03] <sypher> kjil: There is a critical difference between helping you solve your problems, and doing the work for you. You've been asking for the latter.
2238 [16:14:04] <kjil> you google random answers that does not work?
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2243 [16:16:16] <sypher> tuH: There are a number of options. Do you have more specific requirements?
2244 [16:16:46] <celyr> kjil, if you are not satisfied with the quality of the answers feel free to drop a ticket to debhelper
2245 [16:16:53] <dury> hi there channel :-)
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2247 [16:17:03] <tuH> sypher, preferably easy to set up for new devices, so that I can upload files to and from friends devices for example without too much effort, and secure.
2248 [16:17:39] <sypher> tuH: What client platforms are you trying to plan for? Mobile devices like phones and tablets could use NextCloud, where laptops/desktops might use samba.
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2250 [16:17:57] <tuH> sypher, mostly android around my house
2251 [16:18:20] <sypher> tuH: Check out NextCloud. There's an Android app. It's kinda like a self-hosted Dropbox.
2252 [16:18:31] <th0r> tuH, I use samba. In android a file manager like Total Commander can make samba almost transparent
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2254 [16:18:47] <petn-randall> kjil: What did you change it to, and what are the contents of /boot/grub/grub.cfg? You can paste it to replaced-url
2255 [16:19:42] <dury> is there a chance or is it possible to install make-jpkg package
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2257 [16:20:14] <tuH> Alright, I have some options to review now :) Rsync, nextcloud, and samba :) Thank you
2258 [16:20:28] <dury> make-jpkg package
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2260 [16:20:29] <forcerecon> filesystem is unknown for all drives.. suggestions welcome
2261 [16:20:58] <kjil> petn-randall: to GRUB_DEFAULT=4
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2264 [16:21:33] <rocket_man> Alright I'm back: my computer is staying on a blank screen for half a minute at boot. Details here: replaced-url
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2266 [16:22:03] <dury> java-package how do I install it?
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2268 [16:22:47] <dury> replaced-url
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2270 [16:23:22] <dury> petn-randall, available?
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2273 [16:23:54] <dury> petn-randall, available?
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2275 [16:24:01] <greycat> Stop that.
2276 [16:24:16] <dury> me greycat?
2277 [16:24:19] <greycat> Yes, YOU.
2278 [16:24:32] <dury> sorry!!
2279 [16:24:39] <greycat> Use /whois to see whether he's idle. Use /msg to contact him privately.
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2281 [16:25:37] <dury> sorry, greycat
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2283 [16:25:53] <forcerecon> what command can you write at grub rescue to force a boot
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2285 [16:26:10] <greycat> !ifrp
2286 [16:26:10] <dpkg> For GRUB: 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at the LILO boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; For yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt.
2287 [16:26:35] <rocket_man> ooh nice
2288 [16:26:40] <rocket_man> is there a list of dpkg commands?
2289 [16:26:45] <dury> !make-jpkg
2290 [16:26:45] <dpkg> java-package (formerly mpkg-j2se, j2se-package) provides the make-jpkg utility for creating Debian packages from manually downloaded <Java> distributions; Oracle Java 6 (update >= 10) and Oracle Java 7 are currently supported. java-package is available for Debian 7 "Wheezy" and later systems in <contrib>. replaced-url
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2292 [16:27:18] <greycat> rocket_man: /msg dpkg factoids
2293 [16:27:47] <rocket_man> awesome ty
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2298 [16:30:40] <forcerecon> greycat: I am at grub rescue> there is no
2299 [16:30:40] <forcerecon> e option
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2302 [16:31:31] <celyr> kjil, have you tried 3 ?
2303 [16:31:40] <forcerecon> ls not indicating any drive filesystem is not known..
2304 [16:31:40] <forcerecon> kinda stuck here.
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2306 [16:32:23] <kjil> yes, no result
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2309 [16:33:22] <dury> greycat, can "make-jpkg package" be installed by repository?
2310 [16:33:38] <greycat> WHAT HAPPENED when you ran "apt-get install java-package"
2311 [16:34:08] <dury> one sec.
2312 [16:34:24] <greycat> ... he didn't even try. :(
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2314 [16:36:23] <Bermuda> is there a flash option for 9.0.1
2315 [16:36:31] <greycat> Just use upstream (adobe.com)
2316 [16:37:07] <greycat> Get the .tar.gz version, extract it, copy the libflashplayer.so file into ~/.mozilla/plugins/ for Firefox.
2317 [16:38:06] <dury> it does install that package, but I don't if "make-jpkg" is included
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2320 [16:38:32] <greycat> You don't know? Is that the word you left out?
2321 [16:38:37] <Bermuda> got a link greycat?
2322 [16:38:44] <greycat> replaced-url
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2326 [16:40:12] <Bermuda> search doesnt find a product called upstream
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2328 [16:40:17] <greycat> !upstream
2329 [16:40:17] <dpkg> hmm... upstream is where Debian developers download software from. replaced-url
2330 [16:40:25] <greycat> Upstream IS Adobe.
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2338 [16:41:40] <greycat> replaced-url
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2340 [16:42:38] <rocket_man> lol
2341 [16:42:49] <prussian> as far as I know, adobe recommends pepperflash for chrom* if you want any semblance of a modern flashplayer that likely isn't a security nightmare
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2344 [16:43:03] <prussian> on GNU/Linux
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2346 [16:43:17] <greycat> Are you on chromium? I don't know where to place the flashplayer for chromium.
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2348 [16:43:30] <greycat> I just use google-chrome which has it built in.
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2350 [16:44:00] <Bermuda> well theres no .mozilla/plugins to put a tarball in
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2353 [16:44:17] <Bermuda> i'm looking for the pepper flash package
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2359 [16:45:23] <greycat> I tried.
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2361 [16:46:12] <celyr> kjil, well maybe I missed something in your grun conf
2362 [16:46:16] <celyr> grub*
2363 [16:46:20] <celyr> anyway you are on the right switch
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2365 [16:46:35] <celyr> use the id
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2370 [16:47:43] <Bermuda> is there a keyboard shortcut for new terminal
2371 [16:47:53] <greycat> That's up to your window manager.
2372 [16:47:58] <celyr> Bermuda, higly dependant on your De
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2376 [16:49:39] <kjil> with text it works
2377 [16:50:12] <Bermuda> agh this install has a bug in the passwording
2378 [16:50:21] <kjil> stupid os
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2380 [16:50:40] <greycat> Lemme guess. You installed from a Live CD, version 9.0.1.
2381 [16:50:56] <Bermuda> yeah im gonnna install the testing vers again
2382 [16:51:02] <Bermuda> or should i netinst
2383 [16:51:02] <greycat> Live CD installations are broken.
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2386 [16:51:17] <greycat> 9.0.1 specifically fails to set the root password. Boot from rescue media or follow the !ifrp instructions.
2387 [16:51:31] <Bermuda> ill just install buster
2388 [16:51:35] <Bermuda> it worked
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2390 [16:53:46] <Bermuda> or should i get a stretch netinst
2391 [16:54:10] <Bermuda> i forget which packages are available
2392 [16:54:20] <greycat> If you've already installed stretch from a live CD and all that's broken is the root password, just reset the password and you should be done.
2393 [16:54:25] <Bermuda> buster had gnash that didnt work
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2398 [16:58:30] <nvz> how should I set "echo -n 1 > /sys/bus/platform/devices/sunxi_usb_udc/otg_role" on boot in stretch? Can this be done in udev or what?
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2401 [16:59:32] <shtrb> nvz , you can setup that as a rule (when plugged in )
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2404 [17:00:00] <nvz> perhaps I should setup a service script and let systemd handle it?
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2407 [17:00:07] <shtrb> RUN=... option in udev
2408 [17:00:17] <shtrb> nvz , systemd is evil
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2410 [17:00:30] <nvz> yes I tend to agree but I'm trying to learn to live with it
2411 [17:01:01] <shtrb> why not good old udev rule ?
2412 [17:01:11] <nvz> otg_role 1 turns my otg into a host port, which I am going to use for my keyboard so it needs to be active at boot
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2433 [17:08:04] <cybrNaut> the installer *forced* me to encrypt the swap partition. Now I have to enter a password for the swap partition in addition to the root (/) partition
2434 [17:08:19] <cybrNaut> any practical way to fix that?
2435 [17:08:32] <greycat> I've installed Debian many a time, and not once has the installer forced me to encrypt something.
2436 [17:08:43] <cybrNaut> using key-based auth worked on all the non-root partitions, except the swap
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2438 [17:08:48] <shtrb> put the key in a file ?
2439 [17:09:04] <shtrb> /etc/fstab
2440 [17:09:23] <cybrNaut> shtrb: that's what I did, but i think the swap is needed before the key is accessed
2441 [17:09:29] <greycat> Delete and re-create the swap partition without encryption?
2442 [17:09:53] <greycat> (Well, not exactly "delete" -- just overwrite it with mkswap, right?)
2443 [17:09:54] <cybrNaut> greycat: ah yes, that's in fact what I did for the last release.. maybe i'll do that again
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2445 [17:10:15] <shtrb> cyberNaut , unmount , remove from crypttab and recreate
2446 [17:10:27] <shtrb> you must remove it manually (it will not vanish by itself from the file)
2447 [17:10:45] <greycat> "delete a line from a file" sounds right
2448 [17:11:19] <greycat> and s/unmount/swapoff/
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2451 [17:12:30] <cybrNaut> i think i found the problem.. the crypttab doesn't have a like for the swap
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2453 [17:12:56] <cybrNaut> s/like/line/
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2456 [17:14:01] <shtrb> in that case you have even bigger problem (something tried to do luksOpen )
2457 [17:14:39] <shtrb> you should have one line in fstab and another one in crypttab
2458 [17:15:19] <cybrNaut> there is an fstab line for swap, but not one in crypttab
2459 [17:15:30] <cybrNaut> oh, shit, sorry..
2460 [17:15:47] <cybrNaut> i just realized I was looking at the wrong system (a system where the swap is in fact unencryptoed)
2461 [17:15:48] <shtrb> what did you do ?
2462 [17:16:18] <cybrNaut> swap probably is in the crypttab then.. it's a fresh install
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2469 [17:17:03] <shtrb> is your disk encrypted ? (lvm , every single parttion etc)
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2476 [17:17:42] <cybrNaut> it's an FDE. On top of that, every lvm partition is encrypted apart from /boot, which cannot be encryptoed
2477 [17:18:14] <cybrNaut> so hardware and software crypto are in play
2478 [17:18:20] <shtrb> if that is FDE (I hope for you it's not hardware option)
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2482 [17:19:17] <cybrNaut> it's an OPAL drive, to be precise
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2486 [17:19:54] <cybrNaut> which means the drive is encrypted inherently, and there's no way not to use h/w crypto.. no way to turn it off
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2490 [17:21:04] <cybrNaut> shuldn't matter though.. the software crypto doesn't even know or need to know that h/w crypto is in action
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2503 [17:22:45] <dury> hi there again channel :-)
2504 [17:22:48] <zamuro> Hey
2505 [17:22:59] <cybrNaut> to be clear, is an unencrypted swap the only option here?
2506 [17:23:12] <shtrb> cybrNaut , no , you can put a key to auto load
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2510 [17:24:00] <cybrNaut> shtrb: i think that's what I did.. I had 4 passwords to enter upon bootup. now I have two. I'm not sure why swap is not using the key to unlock
2511 [17:24:15] <shtrb> myswap /dev/xxx /root/key luks
2512 [17:24:19] <cybrNaut> maybe i overlooked something
2513 [17:24:22] <shtrb> if you had to enter password it was not read
2514 [17:24:34] <dury> thanks for your help and to be patient with me too. did install successfully java-package and make-jpkg
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2517 [17:24:55] <cybrNaut> i was thinking that maybe the swap is being needed before the key is sought (a kind of race-condition)
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2521 [17:25:31] <cybrNaut> anyway, I'll make sure "myswap /dev/xxx /root/key luks" is in crypttab next time I'm working on it
2522 [17:25:55] <shtrb> s/myswap/thenameyouused/g
2523 [17:25:59] <cybrNaut> right
2524 [17:26:14] <cybrNaut> in fact "luks" is probably the only literal on that line
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2526 [17:26:18] <dury> greycat, thanks indeed to be patient... really appreciate it
2527 [17:26:51] <shtrb> cybrNaut , sorry the other option is swap sw not luks :-(
2528 [17:27:39] <shtrb> wrong again :-( swap,luks I need coffee
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2530 [17:27:41] <cybrNaut> hmm.. maybe that's my problem. going from memory, I think "luks" was at the end of every line in crypttab
2531 [17:27:51] <shtrb> yes I was wrong twice
2532 [17:27:52] <cybrNaut> oh, may be correct then
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2534 [17:28:10] <cybrNaut> i'll focus on it, anyway
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2547 [17:33:56] <charking> hello. How can you type a Greek alpha on a standard US keyboard? I don't see a compose sequence to produce it.
2548 [17:34:32] <dury> bbl
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2560 [17:36:51] <ksk> charking: arent sequences for ascii chars only?
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2564 [17:38:42] <greycat> ksk: absolutely not. See /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose (or your locale's analogy)
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2566 [17:38:57] <charking> ksk: I don't think so, you can produce many Unicode characters.
2567 [17:39:01] <charking> greycat: thanks
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2570 [17:39:16] <greycat> Unfortunately this file seems to assume that I can actually *press* a key named <Greek_alpha> and is using that in sequences to generate modified alphas. :-/
2571 [17:40:00] <greycat> replaced-url
2572 [17:40:20] <charking> greycat: Same... Guess I can switch to a Greek keyboard layout temporarily to type the alpha
2573 [17:40:26] <charking> greycat: cool, thanks
2574 [17:40:35] <greycat> I'd rather paste one out of a web page than switch kb layouts.
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2576 [17:41:36] <shtrb> charking , use perl/bash/whatever to print the needed letter
2577 [17:42:06] <greycat> I never understood why the greek alphabet isn't included in the default Compose files. It's *super* common in math/science.
2578 [17:42:38] <charking> greycat: that's why I need it
2579 [17:42:52] <charking> LibreOffice has a nice character browser, too, at least
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2582 [17:45:28] <greycat> Hmm, there is also an XCompose(5) man apge.
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2585 [17:45:54] <greycat> Oh nice, it has "include".
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2590 [17:47:12] <greycat> So in theory you should be able to put your own custom things in ~/.XCompose and put include "/usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose" in it to get the rest.
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2601 [17:52:26] <greycat> Ah, actually the man page suggests include "%L"
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2604 [17:53:57] <greycat> Nifty. And it's auto-loaded by each X11 client program (e.g. urxvt) without having to run any sekrit commands.
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2637 [18:04:08] <vizulise> Question about Debian, when installing, you can load additional modules from the USB, right? Is there a module for setting Static Ip?
2638 [18:04:59] <sypher> vizulise: Just cancel the DHCP process and you'll get the option to do so.
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2640 [18:05:29] <ttyX> I'm getting subprocess installed pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 when trying to uninstall a package on stretch
2641 [18:05:49] <ttyX> what could be causing this?
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2643 [18:06:14] <mertyildiran> Hi, is stdeb the best option for Debian packaging (Python)? If so then how can I include (or where to put) Debian control file? Documentation of stdeb is quite confusing...
2644 [18:06:19] <vizulise> When I follow the normal install steps, it just automatically goes through DHCP
2645 [18:06:29] <sypher> vizulise: I know. There's a cancel button.
2646 [18:06:41] <vizulise> Not "Go Back"?
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2649 [18:07:03] <sypher> vizulise: Watch the install process. When it's trying to get a DHCP lease, there's a progress bar with a Cancel button.
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2651 [18:07:57] <vizulise> Okay, thanks. Only reason I am wanting to set a static IP btw is because I have been getting this weird error; "Bad Archive Mirror" where I can't seem to connect to any mirrors. Did some research and they said set static IP
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2655 [18:09:02] <vizulise> Have you had this happen before?
2656 [18:09:06] <sypher> Nope.
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2662 [18:11:52] <vizulise> It's happened on two different PCs of mine, so I suspect it is an issue with my router config
2663 [18:12:26] <sypher> vizulise: Is your router correctly handing out gateway and DNS data?
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2666 [18:14:36] <vizulise> I wouldn't know how to check :/
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2668 [18:15:23] <ic_bytes> hello friends.
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2670 [18:15:26] <ic_bytes> All right ?
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2672 [18:16:22] <nast> hi guys, i've been fixing stupid problem: postgresql wouldn't start, complained about permission denied FATAL: could not load server certificate file "/etc/ssl/certs/ssl-cert-snakeoil.pem": Permission denied. First thing i checked permissions and no success, same thing. After I added mysql user to ssl-cert group it would almost start. But here's another problem: how do I find root cause systemd starts
2673 [18:16:24] <nast> postgres with wrong user(mysql in my case)?
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2680 [18:17:46] <th0r> vizulise, check the gateway with the command 'sudo route -n'. You should see a Destination of 0.0.0.0 and it should have a gateway address that is your router address
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2682 [18:18:22] <ic_bytes> what is the proper way to flag all my gnome3 stuff as "not pull it back in again".... ? Because I replaced my gnome3 with mate... and on the next upgrade/update I want to keep that mate stuff ....
2683 [18:18:44] <th0r> vizulise, your dns addresses should show up in /etc/resolv.conf.
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2685 [18:19:01] <greycat> dpkg, compose sequences =~ s#replaced-url
2686 [18:19:02] <dpkg> OK, greycat
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2693 [18:21:14] <Bsadowski1> so I installed Debian 9.0.1 using the graphical installer in a virtual machine and now there is no HD activity with the vhd.. hmm
2694 [18:21:36] <Bsadowski1> It had restarted because of the installation
2695 [18:21:58] <Bsadowski1> Oh I see. It shows now. Is it known there is a slight delay?
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2702 [18:24:32] <vizulise> Thank you th0r
2703 [18:24:43] <vizulise> So I can just do that with TTY?
2704 [18:24:56] <vizulise> Or should I use the shell within the installer?
2705 [18:25:15] <th0r> vizulise, you can do it on tty
2706 [18:25:30] <th0r> vizulise, are you running a desktop environment or a server?
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2708 [18:25:39] <vizulise> th0r, de
2709 [18:25:51] <rocket_man> !dns 4.2.2.2
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2713 [18:27:38] <th0r> vizulise, a terminal will work fine in the desktop environment.
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2717 [18:29:18] <tempate> Hey. How can I configure a shared directory in debian, so that changes in the directory are automatically updated?
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2719 [18:29:52] <shtrb> tempate , shaed between what ?
2720 [18:30:03] <shtrb> hard links ?
2721 [18:30:22] <tempate> hm, I guess
2722 [18:30:44] <tempate> I want to have a directory in Documents that automatically updates the changes of an other directory in Downloads, for example
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2725 [18:32:04] <th0r> tempate, why not just have one directory, Documents, and then create a link to it called Downloads?
2726 [18:32:28] <tempate> I didn't know that was an option
2727 [18:32:37] <th0r> tempate, unless you actually need two copies of everything, that will accomplish what you want
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2729 [18:33:07] <tempate> what I really want is to have a directory in /var/replaced-url
2730 [18:33:18] <tempate> would that do the trick?
2731 [18:33:30] <shtrb> symbolic link to the rescue
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2733 [18:33:45] <tempate> symbolic link it is, thanks
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2736 [18:34:50] <th0r> tempate, ownership might be a problem, so it might take a bit of figuring out. I have a lot of scripts in ~/bin so I can edit them, then shortcuts in /usr/local/bin so they can be used
2737 [18:35:17] <tempate> I see, let me give it a try
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2739 [18:36:03] <th0r> tempate, it might be easier to define a different directory for the web server
2740 [18:36:45] <tempate> probably
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2743 [18:37:00] <Golosita_> Hello
2744 [18:37:06] <rubin110> Smartd started email email about a drive failing 2 weeks ago. I've since then replaced the drive, however smartd is still emailing me about the phantom drive every day. Where can I tell smartd that the drive no longer exists?
2745 [18:37:15] <Golosita_> Hello help me please now replaced-url
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2768 [18:41:48] <forcerecon> what are we using for bootable usb unebooting
2769 [18:41:49] <forcerecon> UNetBooting
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2771 [18:42:12] <cheapie> dd, usually.
2772 [18:42:15] <tremolo> forcerecon: I use dd to write the image to a flash disk.
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2776 [18:42:44] <tempate> that's funny. It worked, but now I don't have access to the folders inside the directory...
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2793 [18:43:58] <forcerecon> tremolo: you seem to be very very very familiar with linux.. I am not.. I need the most easy way to create a grub repair disk from debian
2794 [18:44:09] <forcerecon> I am still in that visual mode
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2800 [18:44:51] <forcerecon> working on text.. but still visual
2801 [18:44:52] <forcerecon> grub is not working for my server and I am trying all I can to get it right.
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2806 [18:45:23] <th0r> tempate, that's those ownership issues
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2811 [18:45:36] <tremolo> I'm not sure what visual mode you mean. Are you in the installer?
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2816 [18:46:19] <jhutchins_wk> tempate: DocumentRoot doesn't have to be in /var/replaced-url
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2818 [18:46:48] <cybrNaut> shtrb: my crypttab is correct.. it has "swap yada yada luks,swap"
2819 [18:46:53] <forcerecon> I am on another debian machine.. want to create a bootable usb with replaced-url
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2821 [18:46:59] <cybrNaut> yet I'm still forced to enter a password for the swap partition
2822 [18:47:01] <forcerecon> how can I do this the easiest way
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2824 [18:47:18] <shtrb> cyberNaut it's swap,luks not the other way order
2825 [18:47:25] <shtrb> *around
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2829 [18:50:02] <tempate> jhutchins_wk: yes, that's what I have ended up doing
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2831 [18:50:10] <tempate> thank you both th0r and jhutchins_wk
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2847 [18:55:41] <tremolo> Good question. That's the first I've heard of boot-repair.
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2850 [18:56:02] <forcerecon> any way to get debian to list in the righ click burn to drive if it is an iso.. rather then having to open installed brasero manually and step by step
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2855 [18:57:18] <cybrNaut> shtrb: really? order matters? sounds bizarre to me. I didn't choose that order, that was auto-generated. So if it's the wrong order, there's a bug in the installer
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2857 [18:57:44] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Are you repairing an ubuntu installtion, or are you going to try to fix a debian box with that?
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2860 [18:58:00] <cybrNaut> all I did was edit crypttab and replaced "none" with the key filename
2861 [18:58:05] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: What DE are you running?
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2863 [18:58:55] <tremolo> I guess you'd want to start with one of these: replaced-url
2864 [19:00:06] <forcerecon> I am trying to get a home server with 4 drives in it to run.. I have created the raid array.. I have installed the os... I have ended up with a grub recovery
2865 [19:00:16] <forcerecon> I am now working on grub recovery since I cannot figure out other options
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2868 [19:00:28] <jhutchins_wk> !fixgrub
2869 [19:00:28] <dpkg> To reinstall <GRUB> boot to your Debian install disk/live CD, switch to the other console (Alt-F2), mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext4 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ; mount -t proc none /target/proc ; mount -t sysfs none /target/sys), chroot into it (chroot /target), run "mount /boot/efi" on EFI and "update-grub && grub-install /dev/whatever". See also <rescue mode>, <dual boot guide>, <supergrub>.
2870 [19:01:07] <forcerecon> I have scanned the internet, ready page after page of potential fixes.. I am just not fluent enough to command line it
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2873 [19:01:46] <shtrb> cybrNaut , that was the order at my side
2874 [19:02:08] <forcerecon> I am now trying another option
2875 [19:02:20] <forcerecon> just burt the iso and now I am going to try and do a boot repair
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2877 [19:02:35] <greycat> So you came here just to ignore the answers we give.
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2879 [19:03:06] <cybrNaut> shtrb: oh, well, i don't think order matters.. yours must've just been generated differently. I'll do the transpose next chance I get, but I doubt it will matter
2880 [19:03:09] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: thanks for the information but makes no sense to me atm
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2882 [19:04:10] <forcerecon> after pulling usb cd rom from server and burning iso for boot repair then putting it back on the server now the server cannot recognize the usb devices..
2883 [19:04:19] <shtrb> cybrNaut , maybe trying to work with UUID and making sure the path to the key is avalibale when you unblock ?
2884 [19:04:19] <forcerecon> how many years does it take to work with linux fluently.. my god..
2885 [19:04:36] <greycat> For you, one trillion.
2886 [19:05:03] <shtrb> forcerecon , an inifinty , every few years we get a revloution (c.f. systemd)
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2888 [19:05:12] <forcerecon> since no usb recognition since pull still at grub recovery
2889 [19:05:23] <cybrNaut> shtrb: UUIDs were already in there, and probably correct since the other volumes use the key okay. The path to the key is the same for all the keys I have in there, and the others work
2890 [19:05:26] <forcerecon> thank god got coke zero
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2893 [19:05:37] <cybrNaut> shtrb: in any case, i appreciate your help so far
2894 [19:06:23] <forcerecon> I AM going to restart from scratch.. my problem started when it ASKED me where to boot from and showed me 5 drive options.. I picked sda but FAIL
2895 [19:06:28] <forcerecon> i tried LS
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2897 [19:06:38] <cybrNaut> shtrb: i wonder if I forgot to use the luks command for the swap. I vaguely recall a step where I had to do "addlukskey" or something like that
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2901 [19:06:57] <shtrb> if addkey worked it should be luks already
2902 [19:06:57] <cybrNaut> that step was separate from the crypttab setup
2903 [19:06:59] <greycat> GRUB should be installed to the disk that your computer's firmware (BIOS or UEFI) is going to try to boot.
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2905 [19:07:14] <forcerecon> no drive has ext2 but I could swear it would be ext4
2906 [19:07:25] <forcerecon> now I have no idea how to figure out where the boot drive is since it only gives you like 30 alphanumeric drive option and does not say anything more
2907 [19:07:29] <forcerecon> what a nightmare
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2910 [19:08:21] <forcerecon> greycat: no uefi.. older home server 3 2tb drives and and a 500GB.. configured as raid 0 lvm with encryption and just trying to get it installed on the one drice
2911 [19:08:22] <forcerecon> it installed.. boot did not work
2912 [19:08:32] <forcerecon> my lack of knowlege is a real let down
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2916 [19:09:16] <forcerecon> I know if someone was sitting here they would figure it out in 4 seconds
2917 [19:09:19] <greycat> You know how long I've been using Debian? You know how many times I've installed it? Do you know how many of those times I have done ANY kind of encryption during the install? Zero. None. Never.
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2919 [19:09:31] <shtrb> cybNaut , you have the swap in fstab correct ?
2920 [19:09:53] <cybrNaut> shtrb: that's right
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2923 [19:10:17] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2924 [19:10:17] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2925 [19:10:17] <forcerecon> replaced-url
2926 [19:10:17] <forcerecon> I have read 50 things.. still cannot figure it out
2927 [19:10:18] <shtrb> greycat , I think that option exist in d-i (optionally)
2928 [19:10:28] <greycat> I know it does, but that doesn't mean you should use it.
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2932 [19:11:17] <forcerecon> greycat: if I don't try I won't know.. I won't learn and then you guys pick on me.. I want to learn this properly.. I want to figure it out.. I just need some help from time to time..
2933 [19:11:25] <shtrb> greycat , encryption is a fun thing to do
2934 [19:11:29] <cybrNaut> shtrb: I had to run luksAddKey on a few partitions, so my best theory atm is that I overlooked running that for the swap. guess i'll run it again just to make sure
2935 [19:11:33] <greycat> forcerecon: is it fun?
2936 [19:12:18] <forcerecon> ls any drive say unknown filesystem.. I need to learn this
2937 [19:12:18] <forcerecon> yeah of course.. but I just don't know what I am missing
2938 [19:12:18] <forcerecon> I have been at this since 7 am
2939 [19:12:21] <forcerecon> is 115
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2944 [19:12:56] <greycat> Bearing in mind that I have *NEVER* done this, my understanding if you want to encrypt stuff is you still need /boot to be UNencrypted, on the boot disk(s) that the BIOS/firmware is going to boot from.
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2946 [19:13:20] <forcerecon> I am going to restart.. I need to figure out how to create the array with all the drives and then just have the machine use the entire drive for debian
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2948 [19:13:25] <greycat> GRUB on the boot disk reads /boot which contains the kernel. Kernel runs, reads configs from an initramfs (also on /boot) and does Magic.
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2952 [19:14:20] <forcerecon> I am going to forego the encryption.. should I install lVM
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2954 [19:14:33] <greycat> For a server, yeah, LVM is good.
2955 [19:14:36] <forcerecon> I really think when it asked where to install GRUB that I chose the wrong drive.. or maybe I chose the right one SDA but it is not the first drive to startup..
2956 [19:15:21] <forcerecon> maybe grub needs installation on all drives
2957 [19:15:21] <forcerecon> I am just not familiar enough with servers and raids to make good decisions yet.. getthing there .. learning..
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2961 [19:15:29] <forcerecon> just wish I had something to follow
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2964 [19:16:23] <forcerecon> restarting only brings in another loop where I have to figure out how to delete the array and the data and the lvm and the encrytption and then create the array and then install the OS on the entire drive etc..
2965 [19:16:27] <forcerecon> I am going to get this
2966 [19:16:29] <forcerecon> I swear
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2972 [19:18:24] <forcerecon> problem now is that USB controllers are not initializing
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2974 [19:18:48] <Violinist> thats not a problem
2975 [19:18:54] <Violinist> its a mirracle
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2979 [19:20:57] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Perhaps too many variables at once. How about just RAID, without encryption or LVM?
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2982 [19:21:28] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: As a last resort, you could install a boot drive.
2983 [19:21:59] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: I have heard of installing grubs on all of the RAID devices, but I think that's mainly in case of the primary drive failing.
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2985 [19:22:39] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Is this hardware raid with a real controller, or software raid?
2986 [19:23:30] <forcerecon> software raid.. but unless i get the usb working I cannot even reinstall anything
2987 [19:23:30] <forcerecon> I am now once again after usb fail at grub recovery
2988 [19:23:33] <forcerecon> any way from here to wipe the entire machine
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2991 [19:24:02] <greycat> I don't think anyone here (including you) knows WHERE YOU ACTUALLY ARE.
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2993 [19:24:31] <forcerecon> not even sure what to do at this point.. machine off.. replug., debian dvd in.. initialize.. grub recovery.. it feels like a brick
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2995 [19:24:51] <greycat> Is it booting from the DVD, or from one of your hard drives?
2996 [19:25:40] <forcerecon> it goes through post and then grub recovery ... cd is USB
2997 [19:25:54] <greycat> So that's an "I don't know"
2998 [19:26:06] <greycat> Find the computer's boot menu, and make it boot from the DVD.
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3001 [19:26:33] <forcerecon> this is a headless server with a connector that allows me to use a mouse, keyboard and monitor with it.. been working for last 4 days.. just fine.. I can see everything going on..
3002 [19:26:33] <forcerecon> but at this point.. boots, post, grub recovery
3003 [19:26:52] <forcerecon> the dvd is USB and USB is not initializing
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3005 [19:27:09] <greycat> Borrow a graphics card, put a clucking MONITOR on it.
3006 [19:27:26] <greycat> So you can GO INTO THE CLUCKING BIOS
3007 [19:27:34] <forcerecon> so, bios shows NO usb
3008 [19:27:34] <forcerecon> therefore no DVD
3009 [19:27:34] <forcerecon> what is the command for grub recovery to add grub to each drive..
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3011 [19:27:36] <forcerecon> its a small command
3012 [19:27:41] <greycat> *plonk*
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3015 [19:27:51] <forcerecon> greycat: I am in the bios
3016 [19:27:53] <forcerecon> I can see it
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3019 [19:28:35] <forcerecon> there is no USB
3020 [19:28:35] <forcerecon> it is no initializing on boot
3021 [19:28:41] <forcerecon> therefore it is not in the bios to CHOOSE
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3028 [19:32:32] <humbot> wipe the entire machine... without anything to boot from :P
3029 [19:32:38] <forcerecon> okay there was a process
3030 [19:32:38] <forcerecon> I turned off usb
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3032 [19:33:39] <forcerecon> then I turned off server then I turned on USB Drive, then I waited, then I turned on server then I went into bios and now I am at repair disk
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3035 [19:34:40] <forcerecon> okay here is the deal
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3039 [19:35:54] <forcerecon> RAID detected. you may want to retry after installing the [mdadm] packages. ( sudo apt-get install -y -force-yes mdadm -no-install-recommended)
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3041 [19:36:42] <forcerecon> now how the hell do you do that without booting
3042 [19:36:42] <forcerecon> lol.. I love linux
3043 [19:37:10] <Bermuda> ok im in 9.0.1 again, reset the root pw, but reboot/shutdown -h/halt are not working
3044 [19:37:38] <humbot> maybe chroot
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3046 [19:37:57] <forcerecon> replaced-url
3047 [19:38:54] <forcerecon> well that seems really F'd up..
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3053 [19:39:46] <Bermuda> yeah i cant get out of this terminal and have it save the pw
3054 [19:39:46] <forcerecon> nice work installer.. wipe drive for 3 days and still show windows shit
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3056 [19:40:09] <greycat> sync, unmount the target root file system
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3060 [19:40:47] <forcerecon> okay you gurus.. what do you make of that and how do I wipe this sit
3061 [19:40:50] <forcerecon> give me a star for getting you information
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3065 [19:42:04] <forcerecon> greycat: I am really starting to love you bro.. truly.. in a heterosexual way.. however, if I said bubblegum make smoothies taste like grape water would you understand what that mean
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3079 [19:42:59] <Bermuda> how do i unmount
3080 [19:43:18] <greycat> umount /device
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3083 [19:43:35] <Bermuda> command not found...
3084 [19:43:45] <th0r> Bermuda, sudo?
3085 [19:43:47] <greycat> The command has one 'n', not two.
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3109 [19:49:58] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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3112 [19:50:47] <forcerecon> alright.. how do we wipe this puppy
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3114 [19:51:12] <forcerecon> unless someone can make sense of that and provide a terminal fix from boot repair
3115 [19:51:23] <forcerecon> that would be optimal .. I do have use of termina
3116 [19:51:25] <forcerecon> l
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3118 [19:52:58] <cheapie> Looks like you have a corrupted GPT partition table on md0. Either that or a *very* ancient version of fdisk?
3119 [19:53:23] <forcerecon> I was just looking at Disk /dev/md0: 6500.8 GB, 6500762255360 bytes
3120 [19:53:41] <forcerecon> and noticed something
3121 [19:53:41] <forcerecon> hmmm..
3122 [19:53:53] <forcerecon> okay.. How do I wipe this sucker clean I mean clean
3123 [19:53:58] <forcerecon> I need direction
3124 [19:54:14] <cheapie> As in you want to wipe everything? Delete all of it?
3125 [19:54:34] <forcerecon> I want this to be linux.. no windows anything at all anywhere in my list
3126 [19:54:43] <forcerecon> I need this wiped!
3127 [19:54:50] <forcerecon> bare for debian 9 install
3128 [19:54:55] <greycat> corrupted partition could mean "I encrypted then entire disk, instead of a partition"
3129 [19:55:11] <forcerecon> what do I need to do to fix it
3130 [19:55:41] <forcerecon> I am assuming there is no fixmbr or fdisk
3131 [19:55:55] <cheapie> If you want to wipe all of it (WARNING: This will delete *everything*!), start with "wipefs -a /dev/md0", then stop the array (I *think* "mdadm --stop /dev/md0" will do that) and continue with wipefs -a on the other disks.
3132 [19:56:02] <forcerecon> so..... how in linux from a debian 9 stretch install do I clean all these drives completely
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3136 [19:56:33] <forcerecon> okay cheapieI am in terminal on boot repair disk..
3137 [19:56:35] <forcerecon> I need the play by play
3138 [19:56:43] <forcerecon> and I can't copy and paste
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3141 [19:56:46] <CarlFK> how do I open an issue against this doc package: replaced-url
3142 [19:56:53] <humbot> you should buy another computer and give that one away, to me
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3144 [19:57:02] <discovered> hi
3145 [19:57:49] <forcerecon> arbitrary comments are useless and not welcome when trying to actuall utilize the helpdesk and the combined intellect of those here for a good reason..
3146 [19:58:05] <forcerecon> humbot: go sit in the corner
3147 [19:58:13] <humbot> thankyou
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3152 [20:00:30] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Yes, there are tools equivalent to fixmbr and fdisk, but I don't think that's what you need right now.
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3154 [20:00:49] <forcerecon> I am all ears!
3155 [20:00:50] <pakiOOGG> is there a difference in kernels 4.9 between ifferent distros?
3156 [20:00:58] <greycat> yes
3157 [20:01:01] <forcerecon> teach me obi one's
3158 [20:01:13] <greycat> Every distribution applies its own patches and builds with its own chosen options.
3159 [20:01:23] <pakiOOGG> where are the kernels copied from into the distro reos?
3160 [20:01:26] <pakiOOGG> repos
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3163 [20:02:00] <greycat> replaced-url
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3168 [20:03:10] <forcerecon> I let debian install wipe the drives for almost 35 hours.. you would think I would not be seeing windows information from 2 years ago on the drives
3169 [20:03:16] <forcerecon> okay.. so.. if anyone has the time.. how do I fix this
3170 [20:03:26] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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3173 [20:04:35] <pakiOOGG> forcerecon: it stays there
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3176 [20:04:45] <sypher> forcerecon: How did you "wipe" the drive?
3177 [20:05:01] <forcerecon> you know you want this guys.. this is stelar!
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3179 [20:05:18] <pakiOOGG> forcerecon: the information is never gone. it's mirrored. you can sometimes also see a 'ghost' image of a bios logo during boot or shutdown. that's when the hdd barrier begins to break down.
3180 [20:05:21] <forcerecon> how do I remove all remnants of windows from this machine based on that url
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3182 [20:05:34] <sypher> forcerecon: I did ask you a question...
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3184 [20:05:49] <pakiOOGG> question: how do you permanently disable swap when its not in fstab and swap off only works during current boot?
3185 [20:05:57] <forcerecon> all I want to do is combine all the drives and install debian 9
3186 [20:05:59] <forcerecon> raid, forget encryption and lvm
3187 [20:06:13] <forcerecon> boot without issue
3188 [20:06:18] <sypher> forcerecon: Trying again: I asked you a question. Please answer it.
3189 [20:06:25] <forcerecon> I have been working on this guys for 4 days..
3190 [20:06:29] <greycat> If it's not coming from fstab then figure out where it *is* coming from. Some custom boot script? systemd?
3191 [20:06:40] <forcerecon> sypher: sorry I missed that
3192 [20:06:44] <pakiOOGG> obviously it's systemd
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3194 [20:07:05] <forcerecon> uhm.. during debian install it made me wipe the drive to remove meta data but not actually low level
3195 [20:07:16] <forcerecon> so.. I guess I never really wiped the drives
3196 [20:08:00] <pakiOOGG> forcerecon: you dont really need to low level. bu you can do this with "shred" booted into a live usb .
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3198 [20:08:10] <forcerecon> I have my linux dvd ready to roll.. I am currently online with boot repair and in terminal
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3200 [20:08:16] <sypher> forcerecon: You can also simply use the dd command to easily zero the entire disk.
3201 [20:08:17] <forcerecon> so if I can do it from here that is great
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3203 [20:08:31] <sypher> forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k
3204 [20:08:31] <pakiOOGG> sypher is right dd or shred will work
3205 [20:08:36] <forcerecon> okay.. I have been looking at dd commands
3206 [20:08:37] <sypher> forcerecon: And walk away for a long time.
3207 [20:08:40] <forcerecon> okay.. well that helps
3208 [20:08:55] <pakiOOGG> it will take hours
3209 [20:08:57] <sypher> forcerecon: You can also put a & at the end of that and queue up each drive simultaneously.
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3211 [20:09:01] <sypher> forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=4k &
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3213 [20:09:03] <sypher> forcerecon: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4k &
3214 [20:09:05] <sypher> And so on.
3215 [20:09:14] <forcerecon> sypher: can I do that from terminal in boot repair
3216 [20:09:20] <forcerecon> okay one thing at a time
3217 [20:09:22] <BluesKaj> forcerecon,enable highlighting your nick in your irc client, then when your nick is typed into the chat it will shw up colorized if you choose that option
3218 [20:09:26] <forcerecon> lets just waste the drives and get it clean
3219 [20:09:36] <sypher> forcerecon: I have no idea what boot repair is, but you can do this from just about any Linux live environment.
3220 [20:09:50] <forcerecon> I don't have linux live
3221 [20:10:02] <forcerecon> I have the install with firmware and non free installation dvd
3222 [20:10:08] <pakiOOGG> forcerecon: use dd to get a live usb
3223 [20:10:09] <forcerecon> I have boot repair cd
3224 [20:10:20] <pakiOOGG> then you boot int, open terminal, then issue command
3225 [20:10:29] <forcerecon> I can issue the command now
3226 [20:10:31] <forcerecon> here we go
3227 [20:10:35] <BluesKaj> guess he missed my suggestion ;-)
3228 [20:10:50] <forcerecon> BluesKaj: I did it
3229 [20:10:53] <hubot> I translated Debian wiki page SELinux/Setup
3230 [20:10:55] <hubot> replaced-url
3231 [20:10:57] <pakiOOGG> you can do it from anything, even the system you are in, but it will start to bug out as you do it from the same system
3232 [20:11:08] <pakiOOGG> if you dd he same driver runnin the system
3233 [20:11:09] <BluesKaj> for ok
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3235 [20:11:16] <BluesKaj> forcerecon,^
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3237 [20:11:35] <pakiOOGG> like a self eating cancer
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3240 [20:11:53] <forcerecon> alright. give me a link to a live dvd and I will burn it, run it and follow the road
3241 [20:12:08] <sypher> forcerecon: replaced-url
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3244 [20:12:36] <pakiOOGG> forcerecon: the debian images are 2gb
3245 [20:12:38] <n4dir> the question why not simply format the drive was probably answered somewhere in all that info.
3246 [20:12:42] <forcerecon> debian-live-9.0.1-amd64-cinnamon.iso
3247 [20:12:45] <forcerecon> downloading
3248 [20:12:47] <pakiOOGG> you can find a smaller live linux distro, if you want
3249 [20:12:55] <pakiOOGG> fyi
3250 [20:13:24] <forcerecon> how about a debian 9 net iso that I already have burned
3251 [20:13:26] <forcerecon> no?
3252 [20:13:35] <Bsadowski1> After I set my root password at installation, it is not working when I reboot afterwards. Never had this problem before. I'm also typing it correctly.
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3254 [20:13:37] <velix> Is it okay to use "stow" on a Debian system or is it a "no go" in 2017 :D
3255 [20:13:44] <forcerecon> needs to be live not just an install.. gotcha
3256 [20:13:46] <sypher> Bsadowski1: You installed from a Live image v9.0.1, didn't you.
3257 [20:13:48] <greycat> You can use it.
3258 [20:14:05] <forcerecon> greycat: I can
3259 [20:14:11] <Bsadowski1> Yeah, sypher, is that not what I was supposed to do?
3260 [20:14:14] <velix> => replaced-url
3261 [20:14:14] <n4dir> the installer has both options, to format the drive[s] and to wipe them, when doing an encrypted installation. So yes, the net-install-iso should do it
3262 [20:14:16] <sypher> Bsadowski1: Known issue.
3263 [20:14:21] <sypher> !give Bsadowski1 ifrp
3264 [20:14:22] * dpkg gives Bsadowski1 ifrp
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3266 [20:14:26] <Bsadowski1> :P
3267 [20:14:27] <sypher> sigh
3268 [20:14:30] <jhutchins_wk> velix: There are better ways to handle third-party packages.
3269 [20:14:32] <sypher> !tell Bsadowski1 about ifrp
3270 [20:14:34] <greycat> YOu wanted "!tell ... about ..."
3271 [20:14:42] <forcerecon> giving it a go now
3272 [20:14:42] <forcerecon> thanks
3273 [20:14:43] <sypher> greycat: Yeah, I know.
3274 [20:14:43] <velix> jhutchins_wk: tell me, baby.
3275 [20:14:44] <Bsadowski1> Sorry I will read the known issues again haha
3276 [20:14:48] <jhutchins_wk> velix: stow is better thjan nothing.
3277 [20:15:06] <velix> jhutchins_wk: I like stow because I still can use apt the normal way.
3278 [20:15:08] <sypher> Bsadowski1: dpkg just gave you a root password reset process.
3279 [20:15:12] <pakiOOGG> you can dl something like puppy linux too, which is very small
3280 [20:15:15] <jhutchins_wk> velix: What are you installing that's not in the 55,000 official packages?
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3282 [20:15:51] <velix> jhutchins_wk: nightly stuff in GIS world. I'm often reporting bugs and can't wait 2 years to get it updated :)
3283 [20:16:01] <Bsadowski1> Did they revert that recently?
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3285 [20:16:15] <Bsadowski1> Hmm I'm looking in the wrong spot then lol
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3288 [20:17:20] <jhutchins_wk> velix: Set up a framework to build your own .deb packages.
3289 [20:17:36] <velix> jhutchins_wk: yeah, but this breaks apt.
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3291 [20:17:56] <greycat> There is absolutely nothing wrong with using /opt and /usr/local the way you always have on every other unix.
3292 [20:18:13] <velix> jhutchins_wk: When there's an update, apt will kill my own build. Okay, I could set it to HOLD.
3293 [20:18:13] <greycat> Debian is not allowed to touch those. Those are YOURS.
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3295 [20:18:40] <velix> greycat: I used /opt in the past, but had to configure the path to LDCONFIG and PATH manually. narf.
3296 [20:18:40] <pakiOOGG> question: why does linux start to tap into swap file when copying large number of files, wehn you are not even close to ram limit, which slow down ENTIRE system?
3297 [20:18:55] <jhutchins_wk> velix: It should work if you use the right numbering scheme.
3298 [20:19:05] <velix> jhutchins_wk: yeah, I have to figure out a good one.
3299 [20:19:11] <greycat> Why would a tiny amount of paging "slow down ENTIRE system"? What did you do?
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3301 [20:19:37] <greycat> Idle daemons may be swapped out if the kernel thinks additional file system cache would be more helpful.
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3303 [20:19:51] <velix> jhutchins_wk: or I'll do it the hard way: chroot ;)
3304 [20:20:01] <n4dir> iirc correct you could give your build app an according version-number, so debian won't have a higher number. a) i don't recall details and b) like said /opt and /usr/local are safe.
3305 [20:20:09] <velix> jhutchins_wk: I'm actually compiling my stuff in a chroot to keep the main system clean.
3306 [20:20:19] <n4dir> the short tutorial at forums.debian.net has the info bout the version-trick
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3309 [20:21:56] <velix> n4dir: replaced-url
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3312 [20:22:19] <velix> it's from 2009 ... is it still valid for current debian?
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3314 [20:22:49] <n4dir> gimme a sec.
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3321 [20:24:06] <n4dir> uhum. Yes, it is the one. In general you will probably find better how-to's, either the bot here, or wiki.debian.net (debian-women did quite a bit, for example). I was only thinking of the version trick
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3323 [20:24:43] <n4dir> but can't tell you, if SoulSinging added that info to the original post, or if you have to scroll through the whole thread. iirc the info was given by the user julian67 (or such)
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3326 [20:25:04] <velix> n4dir: thx
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3328 [20:25:58] <n4dir> there is also an IRC channel, which help with such questions. i would ask there and let them confirm that it is a valid trick at all. bad news: i always forget the name of that channel.
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3336 [20:26:59] <forcerecon> okeedo.. so when I boot to the net
3337 [20:27:10] <forcerecon> I get the graphical install etc.. you guys know
3338 [20:27:12] <deego> If I don't have any swap partitions, what should go in the file /etc/initramfstools/conf.d/resume ? I had simply removed it. Used to work just fine with 3.16. But, with the new debian stable (4.9), it results in an oops #0010 smp... "unable to sync" ("Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer derefenece").
3339 [20:27:20] <forcerecon> where am I going
3340 [20:27:29] <deego> What's the right thing to put in 'resume' when I have no swap partition?
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3343 [20:28:39] <deego> what's weird is that once in a while, it does boot up with 4.9
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3345 [20:28:48] <pakiOOGG> all right. so changed swappiness to 1
3346 [20:28:50] <deego> so, right now, I boot into stable, but using the old 3.16
3347 [20:28:56] <jhutchins_wk> deego: I would say that counts as a bug.
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3349 [20:29:15] <sypher> deego: I deleted that file.
3350 [20:29:16] <deego> jhutchins_wk: is that bug even related to the swap issue?
3351 [20:29:22] <deego> sypher: ah, thanks
3352 [20:29:22] <jhutchins_wk> deego: Maybe /dev/nul would work?
3353 [20:29:40] <ttyX> why is freeipa-client in unstable and not available in stable?
3354 [20:29:46] <n4dir> forcerecon: i am not sure what the question is. The installer seems pretty intuitive, self-explaining
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3359 [20:31:30] <pakiOOGG> question: if a scanner isnt recognized but the printer itself part is, is this a permissions LP issue?
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3362 [20:32:34] <deego> replaced-url
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3364 [20:32:47] <forcerecon> I booted, executed a shell and typed = DD IF=/DEV/ZERO OF=/DEV/SDA BS=4K
3365 [20:32:52] <forcerecon> waiting to see what happens
3366 [20:33:05] <forcerecon> cursor just blinking
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3368 [20:33:39] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: That's really overkill. All you need to do for a clean install is format the filesystem.
3369 [20:33:58] <n4dir> i am with jhutchins_wk (and btw: keep simple things simple)
3370 [20:34:00] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: It can take hours with modern-sized drives.
3371 [20:34:10] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: No harm in cancelling it.
3372 [20:34:31] <forcerecon> welll I waited over for meta overwite.. guess I'll just wait for this
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3374 [20:34:49] <forcerecon> I understand but I don't want any remnants of windows in my url above
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3376 [20:35:22] <forcerecon> I want the mbr to say linux and this to be all linux so that I know it was fresh.. otherwise I run into issues that I am not capable of solving on my own..
3377 [20:35:32] <n4dir> jesus.
3378 [20:35:41] <forcerecon> so if it starts clean and you guys know it.. then well.. there is a basis
3379 [20:36:31] <forcerecon> Im just doing what you guys tell me. sypher felt this was the way to go.. no one chimed in.. so I have to assume that.. well.. its the way to go.. once I start it, well everyone chimes in and now it was the wrong way to go or just overkill
3380 [20:36:35] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: You're wasting your time, but it's yours to waste.
3381 [20:36:39] <forcerecon> I am learning
3382 [20:37:12] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: did you see the link above
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3384 [20:37:38] <n4dir> none of that info is needed. do a default installation and call it a day
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3386 [20:37:44] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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3390 [20:38:31] <forcerecon> everyone has an idea without seeing what I am doing.. this is a server.. it has 4 drives. I just want raid, lvm and everything on the one drive with raid 0.. don't care...
3391 [20:38:41] <forcerecon> it installed, it won't boot, grub wrong
3392 [20:38:55] <forcerecon> tried to solve, nothing worked, trying again
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3394 [20:39:59] <forcerecon> so unless someone has a video tutorial of getting debian 9 to work on a raid array with encryption and lvm I have to ask and have to sort through the answers
3395 [20:40:03] <jhutchins_wk> There's no real reason to worry about the boot sector on a drive you're not booting from, but I have heard that it's a good idea to install grub to each drive in a RAID array, if only for the sake of recovery if you loose the primary boot drive.
3396 [20:41:10] <forcerecon> well when it got to the question of where I wanted to install grub and it showed me 5 different 32 bit drives with no letters or sd? I picked the first one.. sda..
3397 [20:41:25] <forcerecon> reboot, grub recovery.. so not sure what to do next..
3398 [20:41:31] <jhutchins_wk> The boot sector is the one exception to simply formatting the filesystems, and that can be solved by either zeroing _just_ the boot sector or by installing grub.
3399 [20:41:34] <forcerecon> I did everything I could find.. everything..
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3401 [20:41:58] <forcerecon> according to debian installer grub was installed..
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3404 [20:42:13] <forcerecon> I am now zeroing the boot sector
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3406 [20:42:38] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: We know people have done this. We know some have solved the problem by booting to a non-raid device. I think I have seen people successfully boot to a software raid, but I've only used hardware raid.
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3408 [20:43:01] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: still blinking btw.. not sure what that command is doing? since it is a raid array and maybe only affecting one drive or is it actually zeroing the raid? I have no idea
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3411 [20:44:04] <forcerecon> 4 drives, 500GB and 3 2TB drives.. just want to install debian 9 across all them,, one big data pool for home..
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3415 [20:44:28] <cybrNaut> replaced-url
3416 [20:44:49] <forcerecon> im not giving up btw.. I could install windows in like 20 minutes and be done.. but I want this to work!!!!
3417 [20:44:55] <forcerecon> I need windows gone!
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3420 [20:45:18] <cybrNaut> bootup is stuck in an infinite loop looking for an encrypted volume on /dev/sda5
3421 [20:46:09] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: No, windows is irrelevant.
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3424 [20:46:34] <jhutchins_wk> It may take more than a day to zero six terabytes.
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3426 [20:46:43] <cybrNaut> shtrb: it turns out there is indeed a race-condition with encrypted swap space -- it's a hibernation problem. all the hibernation mechanisms need to mount swap space before mounting root (/)
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3428 [20:46:50] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: I googled "grub + software raid" and got some very useful results.
3429 [20:47:05] <cybrNaut> shtrb: so some ppl disable hibernation, some remove the crypto
3430 [20:47:15] <cybrNaut> not sure how you're getting away with it
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3432 [20:47:51] <h0nus> late to the party, but why would you need the OS on a RAID array?
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3434 [20:48:23] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: unless we don't share the same net.. I have been through 50 pages of reading today on the subject.. now YOU are more versed in the commands, so for you it might be helpful.. for me right now, until I learn I need hand holding, I need a step by step.. I need a tutorial or a document that says.. DO THIS! otherwise, I just listed and keep trying things
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3436 [20:48:46] <h0nus> why not just cron regular backups of /home to the RAID?
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3438 [20:49:03] <greycat> Why not have /home *in* the RAID?
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3440 [20:49:09] <h0nus> ^
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3442 [20:49:44] <forcerecon> h0nus: because installing the OS on the 500GB drive and not utilizing 450GB towards the data drive and other 3 2TB drives is a waste
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3447 [20:50:44] <h0nus> so do what greycat suggests and just install /home on the RAID
3448 [20:50:58] <forcerecon> greycat: I am trying to do that.. create the array with all the drives and then just create a separate home drive with the rest of the space not used by root and swap and whatever
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3450 [20:51:15] <BluesKaj> forcerecon, so how much data in Gb do you actually have ?
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3452 [20:51:21] <h0nus> ah
3453 [20:51:25] <forcerecon> guys.. I have been trying to do this for 4 days.. I am trying
3454 [20:51:31] <forcerecon> BluesKaj: 6.5 TBs
3455 [20:51:45] <h0nus> like i said, i'm late to the party
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3457 [20:52:11] <h0nus> hardware or software RAID?
3458 [20:52:21] <sypher> h0nus: mdadm
3459 [20:52:34] <forcerecon> h0nus: software, based on debian graphic installer ( because that's all I know right now )
3460 [20:52:41] <sypher> forcerecon: You really should do what's been said and have /home on the RAID.
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3462 [20:53:15] <forcerecon> sypher: that is what I am doing
3463 [20:53:19] <forcerecon> trying to do
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3468 [20:53:55] <h0nus> does it even see the RAID during install?
3469 [20:54:14] <forcerecon> is this zero thing going to take another 34 hours?
3470 [20:54:26] <sypher> forcerecon: Additionally, what KIND of RAID are you configuring? RAID5, RAID10, etc?
3471 [20:54:27] <forcerecon> look at lin
3472 [20:54:30] <h0nus> forcerecon: on 6.5tb? YUP
3473 [20:54:32] <forcerecon> replaced-url
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3475 [20:54:37] <forcerecon> that is what it sees
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3478 [20:55:27] <h0nus> I've done lots of installs; typically only time you need to zero a drive is when you're destroying sensitive data
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3482 [20:55:59] <sypher> forcerecon: Reboot into the installer. You don't need to zero the disks, and you're overcomplicating this whole process.
3483 [20:56:07] <h0nus> zeroing that whole thing isn't going to make windows more uninstalled
3484 [20:56:17] <forcerecon> okay
3485 [20:56:19] <forcerecon> rebooting
3486 [20:57:10] <sypher> forcerecon: Additionally, repeatedly moaning about how long you've been working on this is not a material concern that will help us with your issue.
3487 [20:57:25] <pakiOOGG> just format it from the installer, manual fomatting
3488 [20:57:31] <pakiOOGG> do you know how to do that?
3489 [20:57:37] <sypher> pakiOOGG: Let's keep this as simple as possible, please.
3490 [20:57:44] <pakiOOGG> what?
3491 [20:57:51] <forcerecon> sypher: I am just trying to let you know that I have been researching this for awhile and not just asking for answers
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3494 [20:57:58] <sypher> forcerecon: I think that's understood by now.
3495 [20:58:03] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: You should expect to put in time learning linux. We'd like to see you use that time productively, and understand that you're frustrated. You took on a rather large project for an inexperienced user.
3496 [20:58:10] <sypher> ^
3497 [20:58:18] <h0nus> ^^
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3499 [20:58:24] <pakiOOGG> installing is simple. just understand how to do expert install
3500 [20:58:40] <h0nus> simple+expert...
3501 [20:58:40] <forcerecon> graphical install, install, advanced options, help.. what do I do here?
3502 [20:58:49] <sypher> forcerecon: Just the regular install.
3503 [20:58:49] <pakiOOGG> the only problem is that the live iso are all broken.
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3508 [20:59:34] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: You WILL need to learn to use the console.
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3510 [21:00:03] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: thats great but I am here now, so please teach me.. then I will know how
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3512 [21:00:30] <h0nus> oh geez... i'd learn the console from a live install before making it your daily-use OS... o.0
3513 [21:01:00] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Like I said, I don't know the tricks of software raid, I've only used hardware raid that presents the array as a single, normal drive.
3514 [21:01:28] <h0nus> ^
3515 [21:01:31] <sypher> I can be quite helpful here.
3516 [21:01:32] <greycat> I use the hell out of terminals/shells, but I still use X. X is mostly a bunch of terminals that I can move around + 1 or 2 web browsers.
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3518 [21:01:57] <jhutchins_wk> greycat: That's how I use Windows.
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3521 [21:02:27] <jessequinn> hi
3522 [21:02:47] <forcerecon> am I writing greek.. I am doing a graphical install.. I just want to fix grub
3523 [21:02:47] <forcerecon> can we format the drives manually?
3524 [21:02:47] <forcerecon> seems simple enough that it could be answered in a second rather then always so much commentary
3525 [21:02:47] <forcerecon> jhutchins_wk: exactly. . that is what I am trying to do as well
3526 [21:02:48] <forcerecon> all I want to do is format the drives please.
3527 [21:02:48] <forcerecon> net install dvd running.. what do I do
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3531 [21:03:27] <somiaj> doesn't forcerecon just want Raid0? Would lvm be sufficent for this, it can store data on multiple drives (unsure what else would be missing using just lvm and no raid)
3532 [21:03:33] <forcerecon> that was nice
3533 [21:03:46] <forcerecon> I did not even do anything and got kicked
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3535 [21:04:01] <somiaj> forcerecon: you pasted to the channel
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3538 [21:04:05] <forcerecon> nope
3539 [21:04:05] <greycat> I don't know why anyone would ever want RAID0
3540 [21:04:22] <somiaj> forcerecon: how did you write out those multiplel ines so quickly then?
3541 [21:04:31] <forcerecon> I did not
3542 [21:04:46] <forcerecon> greycat: you have been doing this for 35 years.. can you just tell me the best way to combine the drives and the steps to make it happen
3543 [21:04:50] <somiaj> forcerecon: there is a timer, you can't make multiple lines quickly, you wrote 6 lines of info in about a second.
3544 [21:05:05] <somiaj> forcerecon: if you just want to combine the drives to have one large drive, lvm is sufficent for that.
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3546 [21:06:48] <forcerecon> I did not write anything man
3547 [21:06:48] <forcerecon> last 3 lines on my screen
3548 [21:06:48] <forcerecon> <jhutchins_wk> greycat: That's how I use Windows.
3549 [21:06:49] <forcerecon> <jessequinn> hi
3550 [21:06:49] <forcerecon> <-* debhelper has kicked forcerecon from #debian (flood. Please use replaced-url
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3553 [21:06:54] * sypher sighs.
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3555 [21:07:10] <forcerecon> getting silly now
3556 [21:07:15] <forcerecon> I guess I did something again
3557 [21:07:17] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Have you read this? replaced-url
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3559 [21:07:36] <forcerecon> <forcerecon> so not sure what you are all seeing but I didn't do it
3560 [21:07:36] <forcerecon> <somiaj> forcerecon: if you just want to combine the drives to have one large drive, lvm is sufficent for that.
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3563 [21:07:53] <somiaj> forcerecon: you are pasting lots of lines to the channel, you may not know you are doing this, but you are.
3564 [21:08:02] <forcerecon> dude I am not
3565 [21:08:07] <forcerecon> I know what I am typing
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3567 [21:08:44] <somiaj> forcerecon: replaced-url
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3569 [21:09:04] <h0nus> lag maybe?
3570 [21:09:15] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: That URL would seem to address exactly what you're trying to do.
3571 [21:09:40] <jhutchins_wk> h0nus: Yeah, I've been seeing some bursty output.
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3574 [21:10:10] <h0nus> but debhelper isn't gonna know that-- just a bot
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3579 [21:10:21] <jessequinn> just a quick question. What package do i need to install so that flags like -lnetcdff -lhdf5 -lhdf5_fortran work? I am getting a linking error.
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3583 [21:10:39] <greycat> ,file libnetcdff.a
3584 [21:10:43] <judd> Search for libnetcdff.a in stretch/amd64: libnetcdff-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnetcdff.a
3585 [21:10:43] <somiaj> the pasting of other peoples statements makes me think an acidential paste, maybe hitting middle mouse button, but either way, the bot will kick you if your output is busty.
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3587 [21:11:02] <greycat> jessequinn: so start with libnetcdff-dev and repeat the process for each thing
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3591 [21:11:43] <forcerecon> replaced-url
3592 [21:12:15] <forcerecon> okay.. so believe me now
3593 [21:12:26] <forcerecon> thanks jhutchins_wk I will give it a read
3594 [21:12:27] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Focus.
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3597 [21:13:27] <somiaj> forcerecon: as h0nus said it could be lag.
3598 [21:13:27] <h0nus> it's a bot kicking for perceived flooding. nothing personal. if you get kicked just come back in.
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3602 [21:13:55] <greycat> Also consider consolidating more sentences into a single IRC "line".
3603 [21:14:06] <h0nus> ^
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3606 [21:15:45] <forcerecon> can I just install debian on the 500GB drive and then setup once installed the other drives as a single entity and move home there
3607 [21:15:51] <forcerecon> I think 6TBs is plent
3608 [21:16:06] <jhutchins_wk> Yes, you can do that.
3609 [21:16:25] <jessequinn> ,file libhdf5.a
3610 [21:16:29] <judd> Search for libhdf5.a in stretch/amd64: libhdf5-mpich-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/mpich/libhdf5.a; libhdf5-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/serial/libhdf5.a; libhdf5-openmpi-dev: usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/hdf5/openmpi/libhdf5.a
3611 [21:16:39] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: I would use raid5 though, you'd have 4TB.
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3613 [21:17:07] <jessequinn> ,file libhdf5_fortran
3614 [21:17:10] <judd> No packages in stretch/amd64 were found with that file.
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3617 [21:18:39] <somiaj> forcerecon: the installer should be able to setup the lvm (or encrypted lvm) for you over the multiple disks. You may need expert mode for this (though I have never doen it myself)
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3620 [21:19:39] <greycat> I can't understand why anyone would want encrypted disks/partitions/file systems on a home machine. Wouldn't you prefer it to come back up cleanly WITHOUT you having to run downstairs at 4 AM to type some password?
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3622 [21:19:46] <somiaj> forcerecon: though I would also suggest jhutchins_wk, and using some other raid than raid0
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3625 [21:21:34] <jessequinn> interesting. I have installed the packages but -lhdf5 and -lhdf5_fortran still give me linking errors.
3626 [21:21:44] <h0nus> greycat: managing a client db maybe?
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3628 [21:21:57] <deego> [back with oops image] When trying to boot with new debian stable (4.9), I get a kernel oops: replaced-url
3629 [21:22:04] <somiaj> jessequinn: do you have multi-arch setup, could that be the issue?
3630 [21:22:26] <jessequinn> you mean support for i386
3631 [21:22:27] <jessequinn> yes
3632 [21:22:49] <somiaj> jessequinn: did you install the i386 version of the libs too (I missed what the original issue was)
3633 [21:22:58] <forcerecon> somiaj: I am working on installing it to the 500GB drive.. going well atm.. I will deal with the other drives once I finish the installation completely.. Thanks
3634 [21:23:00] <jessequinn> i dont believe i did
3635 [21:23:08] <jessequinn> how can i check that?
3636 [21:23:19] <somiaj> jessequinn: what software is having linking issues, is it 32bit or 64bit software? Do you know?
3637 [21:23:43] <jessequinn> SIESTA. I am unsure if it is 64 or 32
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3640 [21:24:29] <somiaj> jessequinn: what is the output of file nameofbinary
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3643 [21:24:54] <jessequinn> siesta
3644 [21:25:07] <somiaj> that is the output?
3645 [21:25:15] <jessequinn> sorry, i am unsure what you mean by this
3646 [21:25:22] <jessequinn> the compiled file should be called siesta
3647 [21:25:36] <somiaj> so what is the output of 'file siesta'
3648 [21:25:40] <somiaj> file is a command
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3651 [21:25:53] <jessequinn> well i am trying to compile it
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3653 [21:25:57] <jessequinn> so i cant do that
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3657 [21:26:16] <somiaj> jessequinn: oh sorry I thought this was a linking issue, not a compiling issue. Did you install the -dev version of the libaries?
3658 [21:26:16] <jessequinn> this is source i am adding the flags in the makefile
3659 [21:26:24] <jessequinn> yes i did
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3662 [21:26:40] <jessequinn> "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lhdf5
3663 [21:26:40] <jessequinn> "
3664 [21:26:52] <jessequinn> this is the issue i am having while making
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3667 [21:28:09] <greycat> I don't know what hdf5 is or why you got three different results, each in a different subdirectory.
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3670 [21:28:33] <greycat> If it were me, I would read the package descriptions for each of those and try to figure out what it is, what it means, why there's three of 'em, and what to do.
3671 [21:28:44] <jessequinn> i know why there is three
3672 [21:28:57] <jessequinn> but the issue is why the -lhdf5 isnt linked
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3674 [21:29:15] <greycat> because all of your results are in SUBDIRECTORIES of the place where actual libs are found
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3676 [21:29:22] <jessequinn> i see
3677 [21:29:27] <jessequinn> that makes sense
3678 [21:29:35] <jessequinn> three are various forms for parallelism
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3685 [21:33:21] <jessequinn> right on. sorry i had serial installed as well. Thank i didnt realize that debian packages will create folders and separate them like that.
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3687 [21:33:39] <jessequinn> Thanks. I believe it will compile fine now.
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3690 [21:34:48] <iodev> Is there any atheros firmware besides firmware-atheros?
3691 [21:34:54] <greycat> !ath10k
3692 [21:34:54] <dpkg> ath10k is a Linux kernel driver supporting PCIe 802.11ac (a/b/g/n compatible) wireless LAN devices based on the Qualcomm Atheros QCA988x 2.0 family of chips (PCI IDs 168c:003c, 168c:abcd). Introduced at Linux 3.11. Firmware from userspace is required and not currently packaged (bug #724970), ask me about <ath10k firmware>. replaced-url
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3711 [21:44:41] <cybrNaut> replaced-url
3712 [21:45:25] <cybrNaut> "Turn it off" was the section on that page that i followed
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3719 [21:50:10] <cybrNaut> debian forced me to encrypt swap, then I was forced to enter a password for it on every boot (even though /boot had a key)
3720 [21:50:13] <Trel> Is there a way to install debian with the text mode installer WITHOUT downloading upgrades (from the netinst version), like a command line switch or something. I want to assign IP information and such, but don't want to download the updates as part of the install process.
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3722 [21:50:32] <h0nus> cybrNaut: you did have a drive mapped to sda5, right?
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3725 [21:51:09] <cybrNaut> h0nus: yes, it was for the swap partition (it's sda5 for me just as it is in the example)
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3727 [21:51:21] <h0nus> ok just checking :)
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3729 [21:51:38] <cybrNaut> i got lucky on that, but unlucky the in the result
3730 [21:52:18] <forcerecon> gonna be working late tonight ;)
3731 [21:52:31] <forcerecon> thanks again for the help everyone..
3732 [21:52:36] <forcerecon> talk in a bit
3733 [21:52:54] <JyZyXEL> why does networkmanager drop my internet connection when i stop kdm?
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3735 [21:53:34] <h0nus> that blog entry is 7 years old; possible program no longer allows for a crypto-switch for swap?
3736 [21:54:58] <cybrNaut> h0nus: i noticed the age of it after things got screwed up
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3738 [21:55:15] <cybrNaut> in principle swap should be easy to manipulate
3739 [21:55:23] <cybrNaut> since the data can be wiped out
3740 [21:55:29] <jhutchins_wk> cybrNaut: Also for Ubuntu, not Debian, which could be different.
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3743 [21:56:22] <cybrNaut> i'm looking for more current instructions now
3744 [21:56:35] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: It's being controlled by the applet, and assumes that if the user has logged out of the GUI the network connection is not needed.
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3746 [21:57:01] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Is it a permanently wired connection?
3747 [21:57:10] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk: yeah
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3751 [21:58:04] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk: i'm hoping this is fixed by setting the interface as "Allow all users to use this interface" in the nm-applet
3752 [21:58:44] <greycat> I wouldn't use n-m for a permanent, wired connection.
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3759 [22:00:13] <jessequinn> interesting. is there a particular reason why "jessie" has libnetcdff.a and libnetcdf.a while "stretch" only has libnetcdff.a in the libnetcdff-dev package?
3760 [22:00:30] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Set it up in /etc/network/interfaces and it will be a system-managed connection that's up when the system's up.
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3766 [22:01:54] <JyZyXEL> i originally converted out of that system because it had trouble obtaining a dhcp-lease reliably during start up
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3769 [22:02:33] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Shouldn't. That's been working for years.
3770 [22:02:44] <greycat> You might be misunderstanding something. Maybe you still had "allow-hotplug eth0" instead of "auto eth0". allow-hotplug is wonky shit.
3771 [22:03:09] <greycat> Daemons that need the network to be up will not wait for allow-hotplug interfaces, but they WILL wait for auto interfaces.
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3773 [22:03:40] <JyZyXEL> it was a auto eth0 bridged with auto br0 setup
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3775 [22:03:52] <greycat> ohdeargod virtual machine crap
3776 [22:03:55] <greycat> have fun...
3777 [22:04:16] <JyZyXEL> and with that, it didn't work reliably
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3779 [22:04:53] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: There is nm-cli if you don't want to do it the right way.
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3782 [22:05:40] <JyZyXEL> jhutchins_wk: do what?
3783 [22:06:04] <greycat> fixing your VM bridge fancy crap
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3801 [22:15:50] <forcerecon> okay.. so it installed.. booted.. logged in.. get wallpaper and mouse, but no icons or anything.. just a nice wallpaper and mouse :)
3802 [22:15:53] <forcerecon> suggestions
3803 [22:16:17] <jhutchins_wk> JyZyXEL: Manual bridging is always a bit tricky. Best to have the documentation for the environment that's doing the bridge in hand.
3804 [22:16:52] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Which DE did you install? Did you pick "graphical desktop" in the software selection menu?
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3806 [22:17:14] <th0r> forcerecon, restart the panel
3807 [22:17:22] <jhutchins_wk> forcerecon: Generally, you wouldn't run a GUI on a "server".
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3872 [22:59:12] <shtrb> forcerecon , usually today you don't get icons you get a nice panel (plasma / gnome etc) that let you do what ever you wish
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3892 [23:16:13] <darko> !staf
3893 [23:16:18] <darko> !staff
3894 [23:16:19] <dpkg> staff is, like, "/stats p" lists on call staff; failing that, try "staff <text>" here.
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3900 [23:19:37] <darko> thank you
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3910 [23:25:40] <psiklops> Hello
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3948 [23:46:43] <tuH> Looking to get a password manager, anyone here that can recommend one?
3949 [23:48:11] <frostschutz> tuH, pass? replaced-url
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3955 [23:51:16] <rudi_s> pass
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