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4 [07:29:47] <nemo_roy> Welcome All
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18 [07:48:43] <jiggawattz> Hey so Ian is dead - but how is Deb doing?
19 [07:48:48] <jiggawattz> Is she doing ok ?
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23 [07:52:06] <jmcnaught> jiggawattz: the family has requested privacy, we try to honour that here.
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25 [07:55:30] * cef waits not-so-patiently for 4.11 to actually hit stretch-backports.
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44 [08:15:40] <Sabotender> greetings, how can I back up meaningful data from a drive that has been encrypted if I am not able to boot into it?
45 [08:16:08] <Sabotender> I am getting DMA errors and I have read online that it could either be a failing drive or a controller on the motherboard
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49 [08:21:13] <pingfloyd> using dm-crypt?
50 [08:21:36] <pingfloyd> have you tried booting up a live environment and using cryptset to open it manually?
51 [08:21:43] <pingfloyd> *cryptsetup
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70 [08:35:11] <pragomer> hi. my xfce-session under debian stretch always autostarts firefox and thunar when I logged in (autologin). I cannot see how this "autostart" is "done". any ideas? Session saving is not used
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77 [08:38:53] <cruncher> pragomer, you may not use save session now, but maybe it was saved at some point. Did you try "Clear saved sessions"?
78 [08:39:39] <pragomer> i looked under .config/xfce4-session/ there was no file in it... or what do you mean by "clear saved sessions" ? is this somewhere in settings?
79 [08:39:58] <cruncher> pragomer, Settings, session and startup, session
80 [08:40:26] <pragomer> got it. will test it right now
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82 [08:40:31] <cruncher> and if that doesnt help, the autostart files are in .config/autostart
83 [08:40:54] <cruncher> but it should work with the first option
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88 [08:43:32] <pragomer> cruncher: THAT was the thing. "Clear Saved Sessions" in session settings worked. Thank you such much :-)
89 [08:43:40] <cruncher> you are welcome
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121 [09:08:55] <guavas> Hi all. What should I write in the mail to get an account for the debian wiki?
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130 [09:19:54] <jmcnaught> guavas: tell them why you want an account, perhaps the pages you were planning on contributing to
131 [09:20:37] <guavas> jmcnaught, and send them the password and name in clear?
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134 [09:21:58] <jmcnaught> guavas: did you already try to make an account?
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136 [09:23:32] <jmcnaught> guavas: don't email them a password. you may need to tell them the username that you will use so they can whitelist it. If you email the list, they typically follow-up with you in private. Make sure to use a FirstnameLastname username following the MoinMoin wiki convention
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138 [09:25:07] <guavas> jmcnaught, yes I tried to make an account from the wiki, it says to send an email to register
139 [09:25:26] <guavas> jmcnaught, thanks that is all I needed to know, I'll send an email
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266 [11:09:46] <jrmu> Hi all, just installed debian stretch but I'm having problems enabling sudo for my user
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268 [11:10:05] <jrmu> I uncommented sudo ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL in /etc/sudoers, then ran # usermod <username> sudo
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271 [11:10:47] <jrmu> then logged in and out, but sudo is still not working
272 [11:11:48] <jrmu> running $ groups shows that <username> is indeed in sudo
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277 [11:14:51] <jrmu> ok I fixed it by adding a new line <username> ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL right under the root line, but I'm not sure why simply adding my user to the sudo group didn't work
278 [11:14:51] <jrmu> *adding the line in the /etc/sudoers file
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341 [11:50:24] <guavas> jrmu, tried the adduser USERNAME sudo?
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348 [11:55:35] <Randy2> hello
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350 [11:57:02] <Randy2> I'm using debian 8.8 , and the x server don't go
351 [11:58:18] <Randy2> hello
352 [11:58:50] <rk[ghost]> i noticed a strange effect, i think it is due to nature of a symlink. i call chown -R bob:alice mydir
353 [11:59:10] <rk[ghost]> however, everything in mydir/symdir
354 [11:59:15] <rk[ghost]> is still root:root
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356 [11:59:47] <rk[ghost]> symdir is a symlink to asdf/
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359 [12:00:13] <rk[ghost]> is this normal? if so, is there a way to change permissions through a symlink?
360 [12:00:46] <rk[ghost]> doh, i just noticed --dereference in the manpage of chown.. going to try it out :)
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364 [12:02:04] <Randy2> (EE) Server terminated with error (1). Closing log file.log" for additional information.
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405 [12:34:58] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
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422 [12:46:39] <mr__tea> heh :)
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501 [13:29:32] <pingouin> i hate firefox !
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504 [13:30:29] * pingouin slaps Firefox with IE
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506 [13:31:35] <mr__tea> pingouin: let it all out!
507 [13:34:35] <pingouin> :)
508 [13:35:04] <pingouin> why the Mozilla foundation hates us so much ?! Why ?!
509 [13:35:24] <pingouin> i know must use chrome...can you belive that ?!
510 [13:35:32] <pingouin> /s/know/now
511 [13:36:10] <pingouin> because they breaks Alsa...with their troublesome code...
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517 [13:39:05] <BluesKaj> pingouin, the new FF requires pulseaudio
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560 [14:04:44] <pingouin> BluesKaj: yes..this is the problem...i do not run pulseaudio...:/
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562 [14:05:01] <pingouin> so...installed chrome...works great...sadly...
563 [14:05:55] <BluesKaj> yup, same here pingouin ...but I don't miss FF
564 [14:06:01] <pingouin> Mozilla wants me to install something i do not need...forgot that i can remove their firefox too... sad story for Firefox...
565 [14:06:22] <pingouin> i feel bad to use chrome :/
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567 [14:07:01] <pingouin> but i do not want to jiggle between pulse/jackd/config..etc...Alsa/Jackd works great...why would they do that ?!
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570 [14:08:10] <littlekitty> !help
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576 [14:08:33] <BluesKaj> pin no idea
577 [14:08:39] <BluesKaj> pingouin, ^
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581 [14:09:12] <littlekitty> !tutorial
582 [14:09:13] <dpkg> A very common problem is that some people prefer to follow a step-by-step tutorial that shows them how to setup their system without reading the documentation or understanding what they are doing. If something goes wrong, they have no clue whatsoever about where to look for hints, and they sometimes decide to start from scratch using a different tutorial. This is not The Proper Way.
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584 [14:09:24] <littlekitty> !docs
585 [14:09:24] <dpkg> Before asking, please read the documentation. Documentation isn't always easy to read, but that doesn't excuse you from (a) trying and (b) sending patches to improve the docs. If you don't do this, expect to be told to RTFM by impatient volunteers. Dick Brandon said that "Documentation is like sex: When it is good, it is very, very, good. And when it is bad, it is better than nothing." Ask me about <finding docs>, <manuals>.
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587 [14:09:54] <littlekitty> !manuals
588 [14:09:54] <dpkg> If you are looking for manuals, guides and procedures focusing on Debian - from a user perspective, the administrator's view and others - see replaced-url
589 [14:10:03] <jmcnaught> littlekitty: if you have a question please just ask, or /msg the bot privately
590 [14:10:29] <littlekitty> jmcnaught, okay i'm sorry
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594 [14:11:24] <littlekitty> i'm in a search for a gentle introduction to debian
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596 [14:11:37] <littlekitty> for someone who grew up using windows only
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599 [14:12:31] <jmcnaught> replaced-url
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602 [14:12:57] <DarkNight777> hi everyone
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605 [14:13:15] <pingouin> hi DarkNight777
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608 [14:14:48] <littlekitty> jmcnaught thank you. do you know of any resource that targets for windows users? like a programming book that reads 'java for c devs'
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613 [14:16:38] <jmcnaught> littlekitty: there are lots of print titles like that available for purchase, but I don't know which are current or well written. The free books that I mentioned are pretty good for the price though
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623 [14:20:39] <littlekitty> jmcnaught okay I'll check out that handbook then
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625 [14:20:59] <littlekitty> jmcnaught: thanks for the links
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628 [14:24:24] <rootkea> Hello! I want to add -fdiagnostics-color=always if the gcc on that system supports this flag. Right now I have WARN_CFLAGS="$WARN_CFLAGS -fdiagnostics-color=always"
629 [14:24:43] <rootkea> But this fails if the gcc on that particular system doesn't support -fdiagnostics-color
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685 [14:56:26] <lxsameer> hey guys where can i find the old stable cd images ?
686 [14:56:27] <br320> hello one
687 [14:56:47] <br320> i got problems with apt-get ... dpkg failure
688 [14:57:34] <br320> i can not get de mysql-server, it gave me an error after remove from the first intaltion why ... i use debian jessi.
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691 [14:59:16] <dvs> lxsameer, replaced-url
692 [14:59:32] <Putti> br320, I had same or similar problem with mariadb, so maybe it's a bug. Can you paste the message you get?
693 [14:59:33] <lxsameer> dvs: cheers
694 [14:59:49] * dvs chugs up
695 [14:59:52] <Putti> br320, though, I used stretch
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697 [15:00:48] <br320> the answer for this is to remove the all files that left in your seystem ... try first apt-get autoremove
698 [15:01:07] <br320> apt-get autoclean
699 [15:01:10] <br320> apt-get autoclean
700 [15:01:53] <br320> for REMOVE in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep deinstall | cut -f1 ) ; do dpkg -p $REMOVE ; done
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702 [15:02:32] <br320> it resolve me the problem ... now i can install mysql-server again ... :-)
703 [15:02:40] <Putti> br320, but what was the message apt gave you?
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721 [15:08:47] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me with nginx? They don't reply in #nginx
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724 [15:09:14] <hexhaxtron> I want to load PHP pages but it asks me to open/save instead of loading them.
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726 [15:09:42] <forcerecon> morning debian
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729 [15:10:43] <forcerecon> still going strong for last 20 hours.. - replaced-url
730 [15:10:44] <forcerecon> its at about 85% today..
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732 [15:12:09] <cesdo> Hey, why this stream is not working with deadbeef? replaced-url
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737 [15:15:15] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: can you provide a summary with pastes of configs of what you have done to get it working?
738 [15:15:26] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: sure!
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741 [15:16:17] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I've messed a lot with the config: replaced-url
742 [15:16:31] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I think there's nothing in the logs.
743 [15:17:10] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: it works with website/index.php but not with website/~hexhaxtron/index.php
744 [15:17:39] <hexhaxtron> Actually... website/index.php is not working anymore...
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746 [15:17:56] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: looks like you are having trouble matching with regex
747 [15:18:17] <hexhaxtron> It could be. Do you know how to fix it?
748 [15:18:54] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: it needs to match /home/h/hexhaxtron/replaced-url
749 [15:19:31] <hexhaxtron> Or inside other directories like /home/h/hexhaxtron/replaced-url
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762 [15:23:03] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I removed some comments. website/index.php is working again but not website/~hexhaxtron/index.php
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765 [15:23:20] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: removing comments should not change behaviour
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767 [15:23:50] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I commented everything else just to see if PHP would work.
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770 [15:25:12] <forcerecon> <?php phpinfo(); ?>
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775 [15:26:02] <torandu> hello. i'm following instructions here replaced-url
776 [15:26:10] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: do you want all .php files to be interpreted, or only the ones at certain paths?
777 [15:26:20] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: all of them.
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779 [15:28:39] <jmcnaught> torandu: just make it large enough for the files you're going to put on it?
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782 [15:29:25] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: then maybe try using something like the example here: replaced-url
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786 [15:30:12] <jmcnaught> (using the unix socket path instead of 127.0.0.1:9000)
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795 [15:33:39] <dvs> torandu, why are you making your own USB installer?
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799 [15:35:09] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: same thing, open/save... Current config: replaced-url
800 [15:35:54] <torandu> dvs: i want a usb installer to set up multiple machines. also want a data partition on same for some packages and other data
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805 [15:37:55] <dvs> ah
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809 [15:38:44] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't think you've done it right, line 137 starts a location stanza, which ends on line 142, then outside of that stanza you have fastcgi_pass declared. You may also have conflicting parts of your config
810 [15:38:46] <torandu> anyway, jmcnaught put me on the path. the answer afaict is ~20M. not much
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812 [15:39:42] <jmcnaught> torandu: i haven't done this before, i usually just install from a hybrid ISO image. You may need to experiment, and/or estimate on the large side
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814 [15:40:06] <torandu> yes, will for that little. 100M
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816 [15:40:50] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: the } in line 142 is for the if condition.
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818 [15:41:12] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: clean it up and I'll take another look
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822 [15:42:42] <boodie> Hi everybody (jessie): I want to take the opportunity to upgrade both to Stretch and my desktop PC. Do you reckon it's easier to replicate this machine (packages and all) and THEN upgrade, or backup /home, configure the new hardware and then restore the contents of /home?
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825 [15:43:27] <jmcnaught> boodie: Debian is easy to upgrade. Do a backup, and follow the instructions in the release notes.
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827 [15:44:15] <jmcnaught> oh, you mean upgrade computer too. you can probably just put your old harddrive into the new computer
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831 [15:44:50] <boodie> jmcnaught: Th third possibility is to upgrade on the current machine and THEN replicate the packages on the new hardware ... what do you think?
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834 [15:45:05] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: I've cleaned it: replaced-url
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839 [15:45:42] <boodie> Just trying to elaborate a strategy
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841 [15:46:32] <forcerecon> I have a fairly new pc and after installing stretch I was getting tired of seeing the bluetooth icon.. so I decided to turn it off in the bios. Once I did that the machine would just blackscreen.. turn it back on and boots.. is that a glitch or can linux just not handle a hardware change on the fly like that
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844 [15:48:16] <jmcnaught> forcerecon: Linux can generally handle and hardware it has support for when it boots. If you want to find out what happened, you should check your logs.
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846 [15:49:22] <forcerecon> yeah you are correct.. I need to do that.. thanks..
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852 [15:50:29] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you still have multiple # Userdir with PHP sections at line 46 and 107
853 [15:51:02] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: one is for thunix.org and the other is for replaced-url
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857 [15:51:33] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't use nginx but there's gotta be an easier way to do that
858 [15:51:55] <jmcnaught> (that doesn't require duplicating the config just to get replaced-url
859 [15:52:13] <hexhaxtron> Yes, but I don't know how.
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861 [15:52:27] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: what about the PHP issue, any ideas?
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865 [15:53:25] <jrmu> guavas: I didn't try adduser USERNAME sudo, but if I type groups, my username is definitely in the sudo group. I'm not sure why sudo isn't working for it
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867 [15:53:35] <jrmu> I ended up just adding the username directly into the /etc/sudoers file, instead of relying on the sudo group, but I'm not sure why it didn't work
868 [15:53:50] <tdn> I have a apt repository with my own packages. Packages are signed with my GPG key and it works fine for Debiann 8. Now I want to install these packages in debian 9 and apt-get complains packages are not authenticated. How do I make my package signing work for both debian 8 and 9?
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872 [15:55:53] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: you probably need to spend more time with the nginx docs. Like, should the second starting at line 62 be outside of Userdir part, or should the userdir part be nested inside of it
873 [15:56:37] <jmcnaught> tdn: replaced-url
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877 [15:57:55] <tdn> jmcnaught, thanks!
878 [15:58:14] <tdn> jmcnaught, so if I update my signature to using sha256 it should work for both debian 8 and 9, right?
879 [15:58:29] <jmcnaught> tdn: you also need an InRelease file
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882 [16:00:11] <tdn> jmcnaught, ok
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890 [16:03:43] <tdn> jmcnaught, hmm... I think I already have both InRelease and a correct key. I have this in .gnupg/gpg.conf: default-preference-list SHA512 SHA384 SHA256 SHA224 AES256 AES192 AES CAST5 BZIP2 ZLIB ZIP Uncompressed
891 [16:03:50] <tdn> And: cert-digest-algo SHA512
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894 [16:04:46] <tdn> And then I ran gpg --gen-key to generate key. And then : gpg --armor --output mykey.gpg.key --export <code>.
895 [16:05:22] <tdn> jmcnaught, wouldnt that be good?
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897 [16:05:45] <tdn> I think this should give me sha512 which is "at least sha256" which is required, right?
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900 [16:07:07] <jmcnaught> tdn: the note about sha256 in the release notes is about checksums for all items
901 [16:07:44] <boodie> Hi: I am planning to purchase an assembled desktop PC with two SSDs and Windows preinstalled on one of them, in order to be able to dual boot. This will be done by the shop, while installing whichever debian will be up to me (obviously). Any issues to be aware of (e.g. UEFI problems)?
902 [16:08:03] <tdn> jmcnaught, I just dont know what I am missing.
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905 [16:08:51] <tdn> jmcnaught, I create the repo via reprepro. I think that might be the one making the hashes.
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914 [16:13:57] <hexhaxtron> jmcnaught: how should I paste code in the nginx forum?
915 [16:14:15] <hexhaxtron> There should be something like <code> and </code> I think.
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918 [16:15:06] <jmcnaught> tdn: i haven't used it before, but are you using the version on stretch to make the repo?
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920 [16:15:17] <jmcnaught> hexhaxtron: i don't know what you mean about code tags
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922 [16:15:49] <tdn> jmcnaught, no, I do not yet have a build server in stretch
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925 [16:16:26] <tdn> jmcnaught, you think if I upgrade build server it would just work?
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927 [16:17:14] <jmcnaught> tdn: i don't know, but if apt has new requirements in stretch, the reprepro in stretch is more likely to handle them. check the changelogs.
928 [16:17:45] <tdn> jmcnaught, will do. thanks. You got me a step closer to solving this I think :)
929 [16:18:13] <jmcnaught> tdn: good luck ☺
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996 [17:04:18] <perseptole> hi. i am looking for a way to create a list in the form of a tree diagram of my debian folder structure (or of a part of it, e.g. the home folder). how can I achieve that?
997 [17:04:57] <perseptole> i would like it to be a simple textfile including the folder names and filenames in it
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1006 [17:09:36] <petemc> perseptole: tree /home/foo
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1022 [17:27:00] <BitNebula> Hello, yesterday I booted my computer to the error screen of "Oh no! Something has gone wrong. A problem has occurred and the system can't recover." From my research this is a gnome problem I believe. How can I troubleshoot this? I upgraded yesterday so I believe that could be the culprit. I just looked at my apt history and xserver-xorg-core was one of the services upgraded. Additionally, I am able to run programs in the
1023 [17:27:01] <BitNebula> terminal fine
1024 [17:27:08] <BitNebula> (tty2, etc
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1028 [17:28:24] <roger21> yo, where do i get te bot log with the server start status and all?
1029 [17:28:29] <roger21> boot*
1030 [17:28:45] <roger21> debian 9
1031 [17:29:58] <th0r> roger21: dmesg?
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1034 [17:31:54] <roger21> th0r, i don't see the [OK] lines
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1036 [17:33:33] <flypp> check ~/.xsession-errors
1037 [17:33:43] <roger21> what?
1038 [17:34:00] <flypp> do you have access to the terminal?
1039 [17:34:02] <roger21> i don't evenhave x installed
1040 [17:34:07] <roger21> of course
1041 [17:34:22] <th0r> I think that was a message for BitNebula
1042 [17:34:31] <roger21> oh
1043 [17:34:32] <flypp> oh, yes, sorry about that
1044 [17:34:39] <roger21> np
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1047 [17:34:48] <BitNebula> Lol my bad!. I will check that in a second flypp. Yes I have access to tty
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1050 [17:35:36] <br320> help i got an error while iam trying install mysql-server in debina jessi .
1051 [17:35:41] <BitNebula> The last entry with in that file is "**(process:3673) WARNING**: software acceleration check failed: Child process exited with code 1"
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1055 [17:36:50] <br320> error were encouter while processing mysq-server
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1058 [17:37:04] <nvz> br320: paste the full output on paste.debian.net
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1061 [17:37:36] <nvz> br320: or I can give you a generic answer for a generic summary of the error
1062 [17:37:38] <BitNebula> flypp, the problem could be in relation to the xserver update though? I'm not sure
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1065 [17:38:34] <flypp> I don't use gnome-shell... put I assume gnome-shell is trying to run in fallback mode. It's possible 3d acceleration is not working
1066 [17:38:47] <br320> i just have done the update, the first time i was running fine ... after deinstall it is like this whith this error ... what to do ?
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1069 [17:40:07] <nvz> br320: that part of the error is the summary, its not specifically what caused the problem, standard approach is apt-get update; dpkg --configure -a; apt-get --fix-missing -f install;
1070 [17:40:23] <nvz> br320: but that probably won't help, just like not giving the full output won't help you much
1071 [17:40:26] <flypp> BitNebula, try "gnome-session"
1072 [17:40:29] <flypp> type it
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1074 [17:40:54] <BitNebula> flypp, just typed it. Nothing is happening I'm just getting a blinking cursor that is hanging
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1079 [17:41:52] <br320> Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
1080 [17:41:53] <br320> Processing triggers for ureadahead (0.100.0-16) ...
1081 [17:41:53] <br320> Errors were encountered while processing:
1082 [17:41:53] <br320> mysql-server-5.6
1083 [17:42:09] <br320> ya this the error ...
1084 [17:42:52] <br320> dpkg returned code error -1
1085 [17:42:53] <dpkg> br320: I don't know, could you explain it?
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1091 [17:43:55] <br320> first i installed fine ... ya it was fine ... then i remove with apt-get remove and now apt-get install doensk want to install it ...
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1094 [17:44:57] <br320> when i do apt-get install mysql-server, the error comes dpkg returned code error -1
1095 [17:45:00] <BitNebula> flypp, can I ctrl+c it now? There is also an error in journalctl I would like to show you, though I am not sure if it is related
1096 [17:45:13] <flypp> BitNebula, you could try a 'dpkg --configure -a' . You can also try another session manager like lightdm, in case your problem is gdm related
1097 [17:45:33] <flypp> yes, ofc you can, as gdm is not starting correctly
1098 [17:45:45] <br320> i looked it in google but it doenst work... it return the same error
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1100 [17:46:47] <nvz> br320: I've already told you at least twice now, that message is the last line on the output summerizing the exit code of apt, there are literally millions of reasons that could happen, without the entire output of the command nobody can be of any help
1101 [17:46:48] <BitNebula> flypp, here is the output from journalctl -p err: replaced-url
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1104 [17:47:43] <nvz> br320: notice what BitNebula did ^
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1107 [17:48:27] <br320> ...
1108 [17:48:36] <br320> start: Job failed to start
1109 [17:48:36] <br320> invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed.
1110 [17:48:36] <br320> dpkg: error processing package mysql-server-5.6 (--install):
1111 [17:48:36] <br320> subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
1112 [17:48:36] <br320> Processing triggers for man-db (2.6.7.1-1ubuntu1) ...
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1114 [17:48:37] <dpkg> br320: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1118 [17:49:59] <nvz> ugh.. I told him both in here and when he /msg me to use paste.debian.net
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1120 [17:50:52] <nvz> he's not even using debian
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1122 [17:51:19] <BitNebula> lol
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1124 [17:51:30] <flypp> BitNebula, could you try installig lightdm and look if you can have a working enviroment?
1125 [17:51:35] <BitNebula> Here I am trying to get help and providing all the info I can :P
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1128 [17:52:07] <flypp> ... so we can see if your problem is only gdm related
1129 [17:52:18] <BitNebula> flypp, will do. Do I just need to apt install it? Or do I need to configure?
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1132 [17:52:46] <flypp> after installing, you will prompt to choose to use gdm3 or lightdm
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1134 [17:53:17] <BitNebula> flypp, ok cool. SHould I reboot or can I just start it now?
1135 [17:53:30] <BitNebula> flypp, guess I'll reboot just to be safe
1136 [17:54:06] <flypp> you need to reboot
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1138 [17:54:51] <BitNebula> flypp, Yup I get a graphical interface now
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1140 [17:55:27] <BitNebula> flypp, Well once I login that same error comes up with the background still showing
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1143 [17:56:39] <flypp> so... you don't have a working environment?
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1146 [17:57:27] <BitNebula> flypp, Nope. The background debian 8 splashpage still show but the error still pops up so I'd say no
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1148 [17:57:42] <BitNebula> I can login, which is farther than I could with gnome, but can't do anything else
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1152 [17:58:29] <flypp> did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
1153 [17:58:52] <flypp> cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep "EE"
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1156 [17:59:18] <BitNebula> termbin.com/4psa
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1160 [18:00:09] <flypp> oh... what is this? I assumed you were using nouveau. Did you installed nvidia drivers?
1161 [18:00:26] <BitNebula> flypp, yes I have nvidia's official drivers installed
1162 [18:01:08] <flypp> but you had some nouveau errors on your journalctl... nouveau should not be loaded
1163 [18:01:26] <flypp> lsmod | grep nouveau
1164 [18:01:29] <BitNebula> flypp, Yeah that seems to have been occuring since I first install debian
1165 [18:01:55] <BitNebula> flypp, termbin.com/bmeu
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1169 [18:03:05] <flypp> mmm.. so you have nouveau working alongside nvidia. Which one do you want to use?
1170 [18:03:06] <BitNebula> flypp, and here is grepping for nvidia: termbin.com/nu26
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1174 [18:03:25] <BitNebula> I'd say the official nvidia drivers. I do machine learning with these gfx cards so I need nvidia support
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1176 [18:04:24] <flypp> do you have /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-blacklists-nouveau.conf ?
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1178 [18:04:38] <flypp> the content should be 'blacklist nouveau'
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1180 [18:05:23] <BitNebula> flypp, the only files I have in /etc/modprobe.d are dkms.conf, modesetting.conf and open-vm-tools-dkms.conf
1181 [18:05:51] <flypp> ok. Try to create it yourself
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1183 [18:06:18] <flypp> or... we can just reinstall + reconfigure nvidia packages, as the nvidia installer should create that file
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1185 [18:06:52] <BitNebula> flypp, I'll try making the file first. Should I reboot after making it?
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1191 [18:07:43] <flypp> yes
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1195 [18:08:31] <BitNebula> flypp, hmm that error is still appearing. It occurs before I unlock my encrypted container
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1197 [18:09:14] <BitNebula> flypp, yup and now that I'm in lightdm the "oh no! something has gone wrong" error has shown
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1199 [18:10:12] <flypp> ok, let's try the easy way. Remove the file you created on /etc/modprobe.d and remove any nvidia package installed
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1201 [18:10:53] <flypp> apt-get remove `dpkg -l | grep nvidia | tr -s " " | cut -d" " -f2`
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1205 [18:11:23] <flypp> so your system will use only nouveu driver. Reboot and check if you can have a working environment
1206 [18:11:31] <flypp> if so, you can install the nvidia drivers
1207 [18:12:04] <BitNebula> flypp, so I haven't run that command yet, but grepping for nvidia in apt list --installed and dpkg -l does not show any entries
1208 [18:12:35] <flypp> dpkg -l | grep nvidia shows nothing?
1209 [18:12:35] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep nvidia shows nothing
1210 [18:13:04] <BitNebula> flypp, correct
1211 [18:14:08] <BitNebula> flypp, if I recall, I had to download the deb package from nvidia and it installed it as a dkms
1212 [18:14:08] <flypp> ok, so for some reason nouveu was re-enabled in the update, removing all nvidia packages but not making the correct changes to use nouveau
1213 [18:14:22] <flypp> are you using stretch?
1214 [18:14:51] <BitNebula> flypp, well the thing is, I have gotten that nouveu error ever since I first installed nvidia like 6-8 months ago, however it never caused problems
1215 [18:15:01] <flypp> well, even using a donwloaded deb, the package would be listed in a dpkg -l, so don't worry, you don't have any nvidia package isntalled
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1217 [18:15:13] <BitNebula> flypp, no, i use jessie stable
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1219 [18:16:07] <BitNebula> flypp, Well it must have been removed yesterday because I definitely had nvidia drivers beforehand
1220 [18:16:08] <towo`> BitNebula, whatever you have downloaded from nvidia, they do not provide deb packages
1221 [18:16:37] <towo`> and using the foo.run installer is not a good idea
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1223 [18:16:58] <flypp> either way, just install the nvidia drivers from the debian repository
1224 [18:17:09] <flypp> you can try directly aptitude -r install linux-headers-$(uname -r|sed 's,[^-]*-[^-]*-,,') nvidia-kernel-dkms
1225 [18:17:26] <BitNebula> I mean is it a good idea to try to install them over the one I currently have though?
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1227 [18:17:40] <BitNebula> If I recall the debian repo never updated their drivers to support the latest cards, which I have
1228 [18:17:44] <flypp> dpkg -l shows no nvidia packate installed
1229 [18:17:45] <dpkg> No packages found matching shows no nvidia packate installed
1230 [18:18:24] <BitNebula> flypp, there are dkms entries for nvidia though
1231 [18:18:44] <flypp> the problem is not the drivers. Is the kernel version on Jessie. I switched to Stretch so I can play games from steam
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1234 [18:19:45] <BitNebula> flypp, on jessie (oldstable) on the debian package website it shows on 340.102-1
1235 [18:19:48] <BitNebula> As the current version
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1238 [18:21:03] <towo`> and backports wopuld have a recent version
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1243 [18:22:03] <BitNebula> I still have the nvidia- commands on the terminal, can I run one of these to show what is going on?
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1245 [18:22:21] <BitNebula> nvidia-smi says I have driver version 378.13 installed
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1248 [18:22:52] <flypp> i don't know how you can have those commands with any of the nvidia packages installed
1249 [18:23:20] <BitNebula> flypp, thats what I'm saying the nvidia package is definitely installed, it was working earlier in the day yesterday
1250 [18:23:27] <flypp> but that drivers needs a newer version of the linux kernel that jessie uses
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1252 [18:24:02] <towo`> flypp, no, why should it?
1253 [18:24:21] <BitNebula> Are you guys sure it doesn't have to do with the xserver update I install yesterday?
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1255 [18:24:41] <towo`> BitNebula, congratulations, you have installed the dribver with the run-installer, that is not supported in debian
1256 [18:25:07] <flypp> if I donwload a *.deb packege to install something, it will show in dpkg -l
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1258 [18:25:30] <towo`> nvidia does not provide deb packages on their website
1259 [18:25:50] <flypp> so he used the *.run script?
1260 [18:25:52] <towo`> they only provide a generic installer, which is bypassing the package management
1261 [18:26:07] <BitNebula> yes I ran a .run you're right, and nvidia has their own installer that has an updater
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1263 [18:26:23] <BitNebula> But I haven't used that in 2-3 months and everything was working
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1265 [18:26:45] <towo`> until the next update of xserver or mesa
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1268 [18:27:17] <towo`> and again, using that installer is not supported here
1269 [18:27:26] <BitNebula> I see
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1271 [18:28:11] <BitNebula> So the problem is the update of xserver triggered this error since this is not a supported package
1272 [18:28:17] <BitNebula> or not a package at all, rather
1273 [18:28:31] <nkuttler> BitNebula: try nvidia-install --uninstall
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1275 [18:29:01] <towo`> debian has a package nvidia-installer-cleanup
1276 [18:29:11] <towo`> which should be able to fix that crap
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1280 [18:29:43] <nohitall> anyone can hint me how to compile kernel under stretch? there is no kernel-package anymore for all the tools
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1282 [18:29:59] <nkuttler> !tell nohitall about kernel handbook
1283 [18:30:04] <towo`> make bindeb-pkg
1284 [18:30:16] <BitNebula> towo`, so you're saying run that, and then add jessie-backports to me apt sources, and then install nvidia driver from there?
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1286 [18:30:28] <towo`> BitNebula, exact
1287 [18:30:30] <zophyx> i installed debian from dvd's choosing not to install networking, now afterwards, how can i install networking support ?
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1292 [18:30:48] <nohitall> nkuttler: thanks
1293 [18:30:53] <nkuttler> zophyx: do you still have the dvd?
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1297 [18:31:08] <zophyx> nkuttler: oh yes, i do
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1300 [18:31:55] <ihatecsv> Hello! I have Debian Stretch installed on my /dev/sda, and I also have another 1TB drive at /dev/sdb that I want to install Windows 10 on temporarily.
1301 [18:31:56] <nkuttler> zophyx: there should be cdrom entries in your sources.list, so you can just install from them
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1303 [18:32:04] <BitNebula> towo`, would you suggest the nvidia-installer-cleanup restore the xconfig?
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1305 [18:32:27] <ihatecsv> Do I need to do anything special to get a dual-boot going with Win 10 and Debian?
1306 [18:33:18] <nkuttler> ihatecsv: sounds more like a question for ##windows.. who knows what their installer does..
1307 [18:33:49] <zophyx> nkuttler: i don't know the packages i need to install, or the dpkg... or installer helper programs to run
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1311 [18:34:04] <nkuttler> zophyx: what are you trying to do that doesn't work?
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1316 [18:35:22] <BluesKaj> ihatecsv, installing windows after linux will wipe your grub file
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1320 [18:35:41] <BluesKaj> bootloader
1321 [18:35:47] <zophyx> nkuttler: i couldn't find a way to enter a wireless password during the install from the dvd's so i skipped the installation of networking support, now after i have debian installed i need to install networking support
1322 [18:36:03] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, assuming a BIOS or legacy system
1323 [18:36:06] <BitNebula> towo`, is there I can tell if this is working? It seems to be hanging
1324 [18:36:15] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, EFI wont be affected
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1326 [18:37:02] <nkuttler> zophyx: sounds like you want to install network-manager-gnome
1327 [18:37:23] <BluesKaj> PipeItToDevNull, really ? that news to me ...but go ahead then
1328 [18:37:35] <zophyx> nkuttler: ah, that might pull in everything i need, thnx, i'll try it !
1329 [18:37:36] <nkuttler> zophyx: or simply run nm-applet, in case you don't have it running yet
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1331 [18:37:55] <nkuttler> zophyx: if you installed the default desktop you probably already have it
1332 [18:37:57] <PipeItToDevNull> BluesKaj, EFI is amaing, all boot files are held in the EFI partition and every OS makes their own directory there
1333 [18:38:05] <PipeItToDevNull> amazing
1334 [18:38:28] <zophyx> nkuttler: gotta boot into debian now, see ya later
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1336 [18:40:49] <JPT> So ... upgrading from Debian Jessie (8) to Stretch (9).
1337 [18:40:50] <BluesKaj> including grub which gets wiped in the /uefi /boot partition when windows is installed
1338 [18:41:07] <JPT> Mysql is being replaced by mariadb and i get a "Too many levels of symbolic links". Is this a common issue?
1339 [18:41:34] <nkuttler> JPT: paste.debian.net the entire error
1340 [18:41:56] <BitNebula> towo`, so the cleanup seems to have frozen and ctrl-c does not work
1341 [18:41:58] <JPT> Sure, one sec :)
1342 [18:42:32] <nkuttler> BitNebula: anything in top/htop ?
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1344 [18:43:11] <JPT> Here we go: replaced-url
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1346 [18:43:23] <JPT> I included what ever accumulated in journalctl -f at the same time.
1347 [18:43:30] <BitNebula> nkuttler, it seems nvidia-installer is running
1348 [18:43:33] <BitNebula> aswell as normal nvidia
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1350 [18:44:01] <JPT> I'm clueless, because the mariadb.service file does not contain any "NAMESPACE" related things.
1351 [18:44:03] <BitNebula> and apt
1352 [18:44:06] <nkuttler> wtf is mariadb doing running install (1) from a service file.. ?!
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1354 [18:44:25] <JPT> It's basically in the middle of the upgrade
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1356 [18:44:51] <JPT> The mariadb.service file contains this: ExecStartPre=/usr/bin/install -m 755 -o mysql -g root -d /var/run/mysqld
1357 [18:45:09] <JPT> running this manually returns with code 0 (it's fine)
1358 [18:45:26] <nkuttler> JPT: i'd try to dpkg -i the package by hand from /var/cache/apt/archives and edit the postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info, add set -x at the top..
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1360 [18:45:41] <JPT> I'll try that :)
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1366 [18:47:47] <jhutchins> What's the command that cleans up orphan autoinstalls?
1367 [18:48:02] <nkuttler> jhutchins: deborphan?
1368 [18:48:35] <jhutchins> I thought there was some autoremove or autoclean...
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1372 [18:49:09] <nkuttler> well, there is autoremove
1373 [18:49:31] <jhutchins> for which command? Or is it a stand-alone?
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1376 [18:49:47] <nkuttler> jhutchins: apt-get/aptitude afaik
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1378 [18:50:29] <jhutchins> apt-get, not aptitude.
1379 [18:50:40] <nkuttler> apt-get best apt
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1383 [18:51:49] <JPT> This namespace thing got me thinking a bit
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1386 [18:52:06] <JPT> Might this be related to the ancient kernel this vps runs on? -- Linux vs2373 2.6.32-042stab117.14 #1 SMP Tue Aug 30 17:12:57 MSK 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
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1388 [18:52:17] <nkuttler> um..
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1391 [18:52:37] <nkuttler> JPT: that doesn't look like it would run stretch, but check the release notes
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1393 [18:52:54] <nkuttler> and either upgrade your kernel or get better hosting.. anyway..
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1396 [18:53:06] <discovered> hello
1397 [18:53:09] <BitNebula> nkuttler, towo` would it be safe to kill this process? I think it has hung
1398 [18:53:12] <JPT> I got the usual warning while upgrading libc, but since it did not produce horrible results i figured it would be fine
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1401 [18:53:27] <JPT> I'll see if i can get it to work somehow. Thanks :)
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1404 [18:53:48] <nkuttler> BitNebula: well.. define safe..
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1408 [18:54:08] <wfq> hi all
1409 [18:54:26] <jhutchins> BitNebula: I would say you already have problem.
1410 [18:54:29] <wfq> when I try to install libmysqlclient-dev I get the following error: Package libmysqlclient-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package.
1411 [18:54:38] <wfq> I'm a bit stuck here.
1412 [18:54:44] <BitNebula> nkuttler, well I'm not really sure what to do at this point...
1413 [18:54:46] <nkuttler> ,v libmysqlclient-dev
1414 [18:54:47] <judd> Package: libmysqlclient-dev on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.5.47-0+deb7u1; wheezy-security: 5.5.55-0+deb7u1; jessie: 5.5.55-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.5.55-0+deb8u1; sid: 5.7.18-1
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1416 [18:54:59] <nkuttler> wfq: paste.debian.net output of apt-cache policy
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1418 [18:55:42] <jhutchins> wfq: Known problem. Hoping for a solution soon.
1419 [18:55:43] <wfq> nkuttler apt-cache policy libmysqlclient-dev --> shows no candidates. I am using Stretch
1420 [18:55:52] <nkuttler> wfq: yeah, not in stretch
1421 [18:56:03] <jhutchins> wfq: You might consider mariadb instead.
1422 [18:56:54] <jhutchins> Oddly, kde's mahjong requires mysql-server.
1423 [18:56:54] <towo`> BitNebula, do you try that all from running X with half running binary blob?
1424 [18:56:55] <wfq> I am going from error to error :). Thought I had MariaDb on as when I do mysql -u root -p Maria Db appears as prompt
1425 [18:57:11] <BitNebula> towo`, could you rephrase that? Sorry
1426 [18:57:15] <jhutchins> wfq: Then you do have maria installed.
1427 [18:57:36] <wfq> dpkg -l mariadb-* shows that is installed
1428 [18:57:36] <dpkg> No packages found matching mariadb-* shows that is installed
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1430 [18:57:45] <towo`> BitNebula, i want to know, if you do that all from a xterm from a running x session?
1431 [18:57:53] <jhutchins> wfq: What are you actually running when you get the install error?
1432 [18:58:11] <BitNebula> towo`, I'm doing this from a tty session. Top does show Xorg running, however
1433 [18:58:45] <BitNebula> Additionally it shows a gnome-session process
1434 [18:58:46] <wfq> I am trying to install that library in isolation. I am now even more confused. I have both mysql and mariadb installed
1435 [18:58:50] <jhutchins> BitNebula: You'll probably have fewer problems if you shut X down first (kill gdm or lightdm or whatever).
1436 [18:58:54] <towo`> BitNebula, don't you think, stopping x would be a good idea before you try to uninstall that nvidia crap?
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1438 [18:59:17] <jhutchins> wfq: Why are you installing a library?
1439 [18:59:23] <BitNebula> towo`, well yes but I didn't know it was running since I didn't see a desktop enviornment. Do I just pkill, or is there a proper way?
1440 [18:59:34] <wfq> jhutchins I need it to install mysqlclient python library
1441 [18:59:49] <nkuttler> wfq: um
1442 [18:59:51] <jhutchins> bit service <whatdm> stop
1443 [18:59:58] <jhutchins> BitNebula: service <whatdm> stop
1444 [19:00:01] <towo`> BitNebula, the propper way would be systemctl stop $yourdm
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1446 [19:00:09] <nkuttler> wfq: apt-get install python-mysqldb ?
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1448 [19:00:31] <jhutchins> wfq: libraries are almost always installed through dependencies.
1449 [19:00:32] <wfq> nkuttler that is installing a version of python 2 that is not the one I want
1450 [19:00:43] <wfq> I installed python 3.6
1451 [19:00:47] <nkuttler> ...
1452 [19:00:49] <wfq> manually
1453 [19:00:51] <BitNebula> OK thank you. Should I reboot and try this again and kill lightdm first?
1454 [19:00:51] <jhutchins> ,v python
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1456 [19:00:52] <nkuttler> wfq: oh well, have fun then
1457 [19:00:53] <judd> Package: python on amd64 -- wheezy: 2.7.3-4+deb7u1; jessie: 2.7.9-1; buster: 2.7.13-2; sid: 2.7.13-2; stretch: 2.7.13-2
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1459 [19:01:13] <nkuttler> ,v python3.6
1460 [19:01:14] <judd> Package: python3.6 on amd64 -- buster: 3.6.2~rc2-2; sid: 3.6.2~rc2-2
1461 [19:01:24] <wfq> I am starting to regret to have updated from Wheezy to Jessie and from this to Stretch :)
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1463 [19:01:52] <JPT> Found a solution: Comment out "ProtectHome=true" in the mariadb.service file. >.>
1464 [19:01:55] <jhutchins> wfq: It's a temporary glitch in package availability, not a failure of the relase.
1465 [19:01:58] <nkuttler> wfq: did you install python3.6 from source? or did you use debian packages?
1466 [19:02:38] <apollo13> wfq: why would you even install it manually?
1467 [19:02:53] <wfq> nkuttler I did it from source. From Debian I'd have to add a testing or unstable source and did not want to do such thing
1468 [19:03:14] <apollo13> *shrug* add the repo, set default release to stable and be done with it
1469 [19:03:18] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins should lightdm be the only process I need to end?
1470 [19:03:19] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport python3.6
1471 [19:03:21] <judd> Backporting package python3.6 in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
1472 [19:03:23] <apollo13> I bet that your source install is borked
1473 [19:03:26] <nkuttler> apollo13: no
1474 [19:03:33] <nkuttler> !tell wfq about ssbp
1475 [19:03:52] <apollo13> nkuttler: mhm?
1476 [19:04:03] <nvz> python 3.6 is a development version
1477 [19:04:09] <nkuttler> apollo13: you seem to suggest mixing stable/testing repos?
1478 [19:04:28] <apollo13> nkuttler: yeah, doing that since years :)
1479 [19:04:32] <wfq> that's exactly what I wanted to avoid. It isn't generally a good idea from my perspective
1480 [19:04:33] <nkuttler> nvz: it's not
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1482 [19:04:41] <nvz> according to python.org it is
1483 [19:04:45] <wfq> nvz, it is not a development version
1484 [19:05:02] <apollo13> well rc2 is development ;)
1485 [19:05:17] <apollo13> at least in debian, the 3.6.2
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1487 [19:05:21] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins So I rebooted, stopped lightdm and ran this nvidia-installer-cleanup and it is hanging again after I go past the prompt
1488 [19:05:38] <apollo13> nkuttler: anyways, are there any backports for 3.6 available?
1489 [19:05:39] <wfq> but not python 3.6 by itself
1490 [19:05:44] <nkuttler> apollo13: well, whatever works for you i guess, but it's not supported in here
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1492 [19:05:50] <nkuttler> apollo13: no, but you can build your own
1493 [19:05:53] <wfq> apollo13, that's a good question :)
1494 [19:06:00] <nkuttler> !ssbp
1495 [19:06:01] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1496 [19:06:04] <apollo13> nkuttler: ah, makes sense
1497 [19:06:11] <nkuttler> and you can just use testing instead of sid in those instructions
1498 [19:06:21] <wfq> nkuttler, I get it
1499 [19:06:26] <apollo13> mhm, what is a "local" variant for ,checkbackport ?
1500 [19:06:35] <wfq> more work to do but the right way.
1501 [19:06:42] <nkuttler> apollo13: tell me when you know
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1503 [19:06:59] <apollo13> or rather any non irc variant
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1506 [19:07:51] <wfq> nkuttler, That'd solve the problem with python 3.6. What about libmysqlclient... Is there anything I can do in the meantime?
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1509 [19:08:26] <nkuttler> ,checkbackport libmysqlclient-dev
1510 [19:08:27] <judd> Backporting package libmysqlclient-dev in sid→stretch/amd64: all build-dependencies satisfied using stretch.
1511 [19:08:42] <nkuttler> mh
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1513 [19:08:51] <nkuttler> that might not work though if it's a different mysql version
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1517 [19:09:38] <nkuttler> jhutchins: what's this glitch you were talking about anyway?
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1520 [19:11:32] <wfq> do you check the backport packages on the web... I mean is there any typical procedure you guys follow?
1521 [19:11:49] <apollo13> nkuttler: found it replaced-url
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1523 [19:12:07] <nkuttler> apollo13: nice
1524 [19:12:10] <apollo13> so basically you need to grep judd and then can execute udd-cache
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1530 [19:14:06] <apollo13> nkuttler: crap, that thing directly connects to the udd postgres db
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1533 [19:15:04] <apollo13> replaced-url
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1537 [19:16:03] <Sabotender> any idea how to run smart utility under linux? i am trying to back up this drive but not sure i can because of the errors its spitting out
1538 [19:16:10] <BitNebula> towo`, jhutchins Still hanging even when I kill gdm3 and lightdm :|
1539 [19:16:40] <towo`> BitNebula, now you see, why using that installer was a bad idea
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1541 [19:16:55] <towo`> happy fixing your fuckked install
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1543 [19:17:05] <BitNebula> towo`, I mean this uninstaller is giving me more problems than the the installer did lol
1544 [19:17:21] <BitNebula> This installer was my only choice my card wasn't supported when I did this :
1545 [19:17:57] <towo`> no, it was not the only choise
1546 [19:18:21] <apollo13> nkuttler: replaced-url
1547 [19:18:28] <towo`> you had 2 supported choices, 1. unsing jessie-backports, 2. using stretch
1548 [19:19:03] <BitNebula> towo`, ok but what I'm saying is when I first did this neither of those had drivers supporting the 1080 Ti
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1550 [19:19:17] <BitNebula> Unless I missed something but I looked when I first did this
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1568 [19:24:53] <BitNebula> Seemed to get it working, just had to run the nvidia uninstaller manually
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1570 [19:25:08] <BitNebula> all nvidia uninstalled :)
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1572 [19:25:38] <wfq> Thanks guys, a lot to catch up with
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1576 [19:26:23] <BitNebula> I'm able to only use backports for certain packages right?
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1580 [19:30:43] <iodev> apollo13, guess you seen that movie
1581 [19:30:46] <iodev> :D
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1583 [19:31:20] <iodev> favorite scene: when they make that CO2 filter out of spare stuff and duck tape :D
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1585 [19:31:44] <BitNebula> How can I tell the version of the nvidia drivers jessie-backports will install?
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1590 [19:34:07] <n4dir> BitNebula: try "apt-cache show <pkg-name>"
1591 [19:34:17] <pingouin> BitNebula: apt list --all-versions <paquage-name> ?
1592 [19:34:49] <n4dir> though you can always use -s , like simulate, which will give you the info what it will do without doing anything, iirc
1593 [19:34:55] <pingouin> BitNebula: apt install -t stretch-backports <paquage-name> ?
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1595 [19:35:23] <BitNebula> cool thanks that helped n4dir :_
1596 [19:35:25] <BitNebula> :)*
1597 [19:35:40] <wfq> How do I ask the bot about deb-src sid
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1599 [19:36:04] <sebastia1> hello, Im trying to connect to Postgres DB via IPSec from a PHP Script
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1601 [19:36:36] <n4dir> wfq: /msg dpkg ssb (like simple sid backport) ?
1602 [19:36:37] <sebastia1> while I can connect using psql command the PHP PDO failes to connect
1603 [19:37:07] <BitNebula> How can I switch my DM back to gdm from lightdm?
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1607 [19:38:37] <teraflops> BitNebula: tried dpkg-reconfigure lightdm?
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1609 [19:39:12] <wfq> n4dir sorry I don't get you. I got the following info from dpkg and I'd like to know more about it: ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>)
1610 [19:39:24] <BitNebula> teraflops, I just edited the X11/default-desktop-manager file
1611 [19:39:53] <n4dir> wfq: type this at the beginning of an empty line in your irc-client /msg dpkg deb-src sid
1612 [19:40:24] <wfq> n4dir thanks!
1613 [19:40:34] <teraflops> I do not have a debian istallation with xorg at hand but isn't that file just a symlink?
1614 [19:40:44] <n4dir> wfq: to me it sure was confusing, and still is, to be honest :-)
1615 [19:40:48] <BitNebula> actually that was not the correct way to do it apparently lol going to try that command
1616 [19:41:17] <wfq> n4dir I just feel useless here :) but getting there
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1618 [19:41:54] <n4dir> BitNebula: i always try update-alternatives, have to use the web to know how exactly, but am never sure if it helps with the problem at hand
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1620 [19:42:44] <BitNebula> everything siw roking finally
1621 [19:43:43] <BitNebula> thanks for the help everyone :) hope my cuda still works lol
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1623 [19:44:03] <teraflops> n4dir: I think dpkg-reconfigure <current-dm> is the preferred method
1624 [19:44:12] <BitNebula> yes that is what worked
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1630 [19:45:28] <n4dir> teraflops: thanks. i was only shooting an ide.
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1639 [19:49:13] <Frosh> dpkg: warning: files list file for package 'ndiff' missing; assuming package has no files currently installed in the latest debian
1640 [19:49:14] <dpkg> frosh: That isn't enough detail, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin).
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1642 [19:49:37] <wfq> n4dir, another silly question. When you backport you do it by adding a backport source from at least the previous release to your current one, don't you? For example if I am on stretch I should add the one from Jessie no?
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1645 [19:50:48] <Brigo> wfq, no, you backport from sid or testing to stable or old-stable.
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1647 [19:51:09] <n4dir> wfq: i am not really the right person to ask. If i would run stable, i would add the sid src lines and backport from there. I think
1648 [19:51:26] <wfq> Sorry :) I understood it all the way around
1649 [19:51:42] <Brigo> !ssbp
1650 [19:51:43] <dpkg> First, check for a backport on <debian-backports>. If unavailable: 1) Add a deb-src line for sid (not a deb line!); ask me about <deb-src sid> 2) enable debian-backports (see <bdo>) 3) aptitude update; aptitude install build-essential; aptitude build-dep packagename; apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. To change compilation options, see <package recompile>; for versions newer than sid see <uupdate>.
1651 [19:53:18] <wfq> Brigo, thanks, nkuttler had let me know before too but I clearly did not understand it
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1656 [19:54:40] <Brigo> wfq, np
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1667 [19:59:24] <wfq> Brigo I am not sure I follow. If this is to backport from stretch deb replaced-url
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1670 [20:00:35] <Brigo> wfq, the stretch-backport repo has already backported packages. If you find what you are searching for there, you are a lucky man. If not you have to backport it yourself.
1671 [20:01:10] <wfq> Ok, that's why I don't find it. I see the whole picture now
1672 [20:01:46] <wfq> Brigo, it is just because apollo13 provided here replaced-url
1673 [20:01:53] <wfq> hence I got lost
1674 [20:02:21] <wfq> Oh I see that says that it can be backported not that it is
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1676 [20:02:56] <Brigo> wfq, right.
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1700 [20:17:45] <beaver> hello, why debian stretch with mate is not translate correctly in french ?
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1702 [20:18:33] <beaver> e.g : popup network-manager
1703 [20:18:59] <beaver> sorry for my bad english, i'am french
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1706 [20:21:24] <jmcnaught> beaver: it could be becaue the translation is incomplete
1707 [20:21:51] <jmcnaught> ahh.. sorry for my bad english, i can't type
1708 [20:22:52] <beaver> there is a site that lets see?
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1710 [20:25:20] <jmcnaught> who see what?
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1712 [20:25:51] <beaver> what percentage is translated
1713 [20:26:36] <jmcnaught> Not that I'm aware of, but maybe the GNOME project keeps track on their site
1714 [20:26:44] <rapha> Hi!
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1716 [20:27:01] <beaver> replaced-url
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1718 [20:28:14] <rapha> I was on vacation and now came back and wanted to apt upgrade my router box first thing. Unfortunately it won't do that. "insserv: Service mountkernfs has to be enabled to start service udev", then "update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header" and then packages initramfs-tools and udev fail to complete installation. Is there a way to fix this?
1719 [20:28:35] <beaver> ok jmcnaught
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1725 [20:31:50] <jmcnaught> beaver: the nm-applet you are talking about, it is in the source package named network-manager-applet. If you download that source package "apt-get source network-manager-applet" you could look for in it for the po/fr.po file, make a correction, make a patch, then submit the patch with a bug report to replaced-url
1726 [20:31:56] <jmcnaught> m. Or maybe that transifex website ...
1727 [20:31:59] <jmcnaught> ... helps connect translators with projects.
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1729 [20:32:37] <jmcnaught> rapha: probably best to show the full output in a paste, and also tell us about your custom init script.
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1731 [20:32:44] <rapha> jmcnaught: are the comments at the beginning of files in /etc/init.d evaluated or are they just comments?
1732 [20:32:57] <beaver> ok, thank you jmcnaught
1733 [20:32:58] <rapha> jmcnaught: I don't have any custom init scripts on that machine. It's all stock.
1734 [20:33:03] <jmcnaught> rapha: the LSB headers are important
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1736 [20:33:17] <rapha> jmcnaught: Aha, so I could disable requirement of mountkernfs there.
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1738 [20:33:45] <jmcnaught> rapha: from where? what are you editing?
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1740 [20:34:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: /etc/init.d/udev. On a hunch.
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1742 [20:34:50] <jmcnaught> rapha: keep a backup of the original file so you can revert to it
1743 [20:35:19] <rapha> jmcnaught: I backed up the line that I removed.
1744 [20:35:58] <rapha> jmcnaught: Also, no need for it really, as I use etckeeper.
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1747 [20:37:09] <jmcnaught> mountkernfs.service is masked on my system
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1753 [20:39:09] <rapha> jmcnaught: I don't know what that means but it seems now that it's not required by udev anymore, the udev upgrade goes through fine.,
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1760 [20:41:31] <rapha> jmcnaught: Yay! All good again now! :) ... I made a Gist so that the search engines can find the problem and the solution: replaced-url
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1763 [20:42:23] <jmcnaught> rapha: there is almost definitely something else going on there considering my udev init script is still default and my system upgrades fine
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1766 [20:44:25] <rapha> jmcnaught: the best guess I have is that it has something to do with the NTOPNG repository I use.
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1768 [20:45:47] <rapha> jmcnaught: but then, some guys over at replaced-url
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1785 [20:55:28] <apollo13> iodev: no
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1788 [20:56:10] <apollo13> wfq: no, that is just a command that checks if something is backportable
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1811 [21:15:28] <Ruebezahl> I need help, would evryone help me?(German possible)
1812 [21:15:34] <jelly> !ask
1813 [21:15:34] <dpkg> If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. When I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask. We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer try a few hours later or on debian-user@lists.debian.org. See <smart questions><errors>.
1814 [21:15:36] <jelly> !de
1815 [21:15:42] <jelly> !de
1816 [21:15:42] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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1829 [21:20:45] <Ruebezahl> I have a problem with a partition. I am runnig Debian version 9. When I try to boot it stopped. I must del a lot of *.mp3 and *.mp4 in my gabbage(Trash), but how i kann from another partition an a another OS changed it?
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1831 [21:21:26] <Ruebezahl> In this moment i work with LM and i hope i can fixed my problem.
1832 [21:22:11] <Ruebezahl> with our help
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1837 [21:23:23] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: does the system refuse to boot because your disk is full?
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1839 [21:23:48] <Ruebezahl> Of course, my partition have 20G and 20G is in used
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1842 [21:24:15] <nvz> how do I change the user transmission-daemon runs as?
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1845 [21:24:43] <Ruebezahl> I had del mp3 and mp4, but i forggeted that is only trannsferd in trash
1846 [21:24:49] <Ruebezahl> @nvz i dont now
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1848 [21:25:06] <jmcnaught> nvz: run "systemctl status transmission-daemon" (or whatever the service is called), what file does it say for the Loaded line?
1849 [21:25:12] <Ruebezahl> I am a beginner in Linux
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1852 [21:25:29] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: for GNOME, the trash for a user is in /home/username/.local/share/Trash
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1854 [21:25:45] <Ruebezahl> Do not Gnome, i used Cinnamon
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1858 [21:26:40] <Ruebezahl> When i go in this part "/home/username/.local/share/Trash" Terminal say me he can not find it
1859 [21:26:40] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: you could also consider deleting /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb to free up enough space to be able to boot
1860 [21:26:57] <jmcnaught> Ruebezahl: you of course changed username for your own username?
1861 [21:27:03] <nvz> jmcnaught: you mean /lib/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service ?
1862 [21:27:49] <jmcnaught> nvz: yeah, so you can run "systemctl cat transmission-daemon" to show it along with overrides, look for User= and Group= lines
1863 [21:27:52] <Ruebezahl> @jmcnaugth: "/var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb" what i delled with this action?
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1866 [21:28:33] <nvz> I either need it to run as user or to create files I can modify, its making files that are 644 debian-transmission:debian-transmission so even with group membership I can't delete or modify them
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1869 [21:29:56] <nvz> jmcnaught: I need to use what then, systemctl edit to modify this?
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1871 [21:30:31] <jmcnaught> nvz: if you run "systemctl edit transmission-daemon" you can add "[Service] \n Group=foobar" (two lines) which makes a file /etc/systemd/system/transmission-daemon.service.d/override.conf
1872 [21:30:38] <nvz> this systemd is a pita, it won't let me just use normal linux administration
1873 [21:30:47] <jmcnaught> why won't it let you?
1874 [21:30:59] <apollo13> nvz: lol, and what would "normal" be?
1875 [21:31:02] <jmcnaught> you don't have to run "systemctl edit" you can just make that fil manully
1876 [21:31:03] <nvz> idk because its designed to be a pain in the ass..
1877 [21:31:12] <jmcnaught> you just gotta learn it…
1878 [21:31:12] <apollo13> noone forces you to use transmission via systemd either
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1880 [21:31:20] <nvz> anytime I've done something manually systemd either ignores it or puts it back
1881 [21:31:27] <apollo13> looooooooooool
1882 [21:31:51] <apollo13> well you cannot just write into arbritrary files managed by a package system and expect it to stay like that
1883 [21:32:03] <jmcnaught> for example, once you make an override it will be shown in "systemctl cat foo.service", and also by running "systemd-delta" which is handy
1884 [21:32:50] <nvz> what would be handy is if I could just get rid of this crap and admin my system the way I have for over 15 years
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1886 [21:32:53] <apollo13> systemd is the first system that allows me to write service files without making me wanting kill someone
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1888 [21:33:14] <apollo13> ah one of those people, change is bad because to have to bother?
1889 [21:33:28] <apollo13> boy you must have hated going from gnome 2 to gnome 3 or kde 3 to kde 4
1890 [21:33:41] <nvz> I never did any such thing
1891 [21:33:43] <apollo13> s/to have/you have/
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1894 [21:33:51] <petn-randall> nvz: No one is stopping you from going back to sysv init.
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1896 [21:34:44] <nvz> but what I have done is understood my init system to have scripts in /etc/init.d/ and links in /etc/rc*.d and they could be managed manually or with rcconf or update-rc.d that has been that way since I started using debian 15 years ago, now none of that works
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1898 [21:35:11] <jmcnaught> you can still use update-rc.d on a systemd Debian system
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1900 [21:35:30] <petn-randall> nvz: So what's stopping you from using sysv init?
1901 [21:35:33] <sypher> Or learn how the new system works. Alas, things do change.
1902 [21:35:33] <apollo13> nvz: sadly that stuff never worked in a sane way
1903 [21:35:43] <nvz> yes you can, you can update-rc.d -f remove ssh and then you can reboot to find sshd still running
1904 [21:35:47] <apollo13> even upstart was an improvement
1905 [21:36:05] <apollo13> if that is the case that is a bug in debian
1906 [21:36:17] <apollo13> either way systemctl disable ssh would certainly work
1907 [21:36:24] <jmcnaught> systemd is a massive improvement once you learn it. it's the best thing since dependency resolution for packages
1908 [21:36:28] <apollo13> sshd rather
1909 [21:36:30] <nvz> yes it did, but all 3 methods I knew already didn't
1910 [21:36:48] <apollo13> we got it, change is bad…
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1912 [21:37:25] <petn-randall> nvz: Why are you dodging the question and ranting on?
1913 [21:37:42] <nvz> I'm being trolled
1914 [21:37:58] <nvz> petn-randall: I tried that remove systemd thing dpkg said, things got real hairy
1915 [21:38:00] <jmcnaught> well you asked how to do something in systemd, i told you how, then you went into a rant…
1916 [21:38:27] <floki> hey there.
1917 [21:38:28] <apollo13> nvz: if you want debian without systemd you should install Devuan
1918 [21:38:29] <sypher> nvz: So perhaps consider devoting the energy you're currently wasting on complaining into learning systemd?
1919 [21:38:36] <apollo13> it will not be a pleasant experience in stretch
1920 [21:39:04] <petn-randall> nvz: What advice did you follow? What error did you get?
1921 [21:39:19] <nvz> sypher: I've been trying to learn systemd. and I'm making progress but mostly all I'm learning is every issue I have traces back to systemd somehow
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1923 [21:40:22] <petn-randall> *plonk*
1924 [21:40:57] <sypher> nvz: Being blunt, here, I don't buy that. You've done nothing but complain.
1925 [21:41:23] <apollo13> well systemd is certainly not without problems -- but in the end it generally works better than init.d
1926 [21:41:27] <sypher> nvz: And if you're actually serious, I'd say try HARDER.
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1928 [21:42:01] <nvz> you're doing nothing but complain at me not liking systemd while I'm trying to address the current issue
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1930 [21:42:24] <apollo13> <nvz> this systemd is a pita, it won't let me just use normal linux administration <-- that is hardly addressing an issue
1931 [21:42:39] <jmcnaught> we should all just drop it, or move the discussion to #debian-offtopic if it's not going to be tech support
1932 [21:42:48] <petn-randall> jmcnaught++
1933 [21:42:50] <nvz> agreed
1934 [21:43:28] <jmcnaught> nvz: if you really want to switch back to sysvinit it is documented how to do it properly in /usr/share/doc/systemd/README.Debian.gz
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1936 [21:44:15] <jmcnaught> alternatively Mr. Poettering's blog series about systemd is a good intro/supplement to the man pages: replaced-url
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1938 [21:47:23] <apollo13> btw does anybody else have shutdown problems with systemd? I have 2 computers where sometimes systemd hangs on shutdown and I cannot sensibly debug it
1939 [21:47:35] <apollo13> or rather every time I enable the debug shell the issue doesn't occur XD
1940 [21:47:42] <sypher> apollo13: Only time I ever have that issue is when using gdm as the DM on a system with an nvidia gpu.
1941 [21:47:55] <apollo13> sypher: gdm yes, intel cpu/gpu though
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1943 [21:48:14] <apollo13> it seems as if ™ a unit is not shutting down properly
1944 [21:48:20] <sypher> apollo13: I fixed it by switching to lightdm.
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1949 [21:48:53] <apollo13> Mhm, that is not what I'd call a fix :D
1950 [21:49:21] <sypher> That's all I got.
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1952 [21:50:00] <apollo13> Gotta try it, but in the end I'd like to debug it if possible
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1955 [21:51:00] <jmcnaught> apollo13: do you use persistent journals? "journalctl -n 50 -b -1" for the last 50 lines of the previous boot's journal
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1958 [21:51:39] <apollo13> jmcnaught: gotta check that next time it happens -- but I think that the journal was already down at that point
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1960 [21:52:03] <apollo13> which in itself would be weird because disks are still mounted, so no need to turn it off
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1974 [21:56:18] <peyam> hi
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1978 [21:56:33] <peyam> Where can I install the testing release of debian?
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1980 [21:56:44] <peyam> All I found is the unstable and stable one
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1983 [21:57:17] <peyam> what is Stretch and buster?
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1985 [21:57:50] <tw> stretch is current stable, buster is next stable
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1988 [21:58:26] <peyam> is there very old packages in stretch?
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1991 [21:59:05] <tw> It was released last month, so not yet.
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1993 [21:59:10] <peyam> there are Stable- testing-unstable in order of security updates and bug reporten
1994 [21:59:34] <peyam> what does the testing called? is it downloadable?
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1999 [22:01:27] <Guest42835> @peyam you have to change your sources.list to get all testing packaes
2000 [22:01:28] <petn-randall> peyam: If you don't know what testing is called, it's best for you to use stable for now. Testing is geared towards people who actively work on Debian. It's buggy most of the time and is not covered by the security team.
2001 [22:01:31] <Guest42835> *packages
2002 [22:02:07] <peyam> petn-randall, I'm worried all the old packages.
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2005 [22:02:42] <nvz> Stretch just released, there isn't that much newer in debian yet
2006 [22:02:50] <petn-randall> peyam: We prefer the term "well tested".
2007 [22:03:03] <peyam> yes well-tested
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2009 [22:03:37] <nvz> peyam: is there something specific you actually need newer versions of or do you just like living on the edge of software?
2010 [22:03:43] <Guest42835> peyam otherwise you are betatesting software you might not trust
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2012 [22:04:35] <peyam> nvz, Last time I installed midori on debian (two years ago) I was the oldest looking webbrowser I had) and there were some options that were missing in that release of midori
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2017 [22:04:58] <peyam> Can I use newer packages even when I have the stable version of Debian?
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2021 [22:05:47] <petn-randall> peyam: Yes, there is stable-backports.
2022 [22:06:06] <petn-randall> peyam: Note however that not all browsers have security support in Debian, it's documented in the release notes.
2023 [22:06:15] <petn-randall> (mostly webkit based ones, IIRC)
2024 [22:06:30] <peyam> thank you
2025 [22:08:59] <tw> To be fair, midori from bazaar is still the oldest-looking browser I have and I only have it to bypass the error other browsers throw on 512-bit ssl certs.
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2028 [22:12:46] <peyam> Does the installer work fine with my wifi? replaced-url
2029 [22:12:56] <peyam> or should I download non-free firmware?
2030 [22:13:09] <petn-randall> !firmeware installer
2031 [22:13:17] <jelly> !firmware images
2032 [22:13:17] <dpkg> Unofficial <netinst> and DVD installer images containing non-free Debian firmware packages are available for installing Debian 9 "Stretch". See replaced-url
2033 [22:13:17] <petn-randall> !firmware installer
2034 [22:13:26] <petn-randall> heh, beat me to it.
2035 [22:13:35] <petn-randall> peyam: Check out the link above.
2036 [22:13:55] <peyam> but would that not work? How do I know the device I have should have non-free firmware?
2037 [22:14:05] <jelly> 05:00.0 Network controller: Ralink corp. RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI ?
2038 [22:14:16] <peyam> is it nonfree?
2039 [22:14:27] <jelly> show its pci id (lspci -nn will show it)
2040 [22:14:42] <peyam> lspci -nn ?
2041 [22:14:46] <petn-randall> peyam: Unfortunately most wifi devices require firmware, and most is non-free.
2042 [22:14:48] <jelly> yes
2043 [22:15:05] <petn-randall> s/is/are/
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2045 [22:15:32] <peyam> replaced-url
2046 [22:15:46] <jelly> ,pciid 1814:0301
2047 [22:15:47] <judd> [1814:0301] is 'RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI' from 'Ralink corp.' with kernel module 'rt61pci' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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2050 [22:16:23] <jelly> yeah, those seem to use non-free firmware-ralink
2051 [22:16:51] <jelly> which should be present on "unofficial" netinst images w/ firmware
2052 [22:16:58] <peyam> jelly, If i download the netinstaller how would that install the nonfree firmware? the wifi wouldnt work during installation
2053 [22:17:24] <peyam> or would it?
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2055 [22:17:31] <jelly> peyam, the easiest thing to do is use the netinst image that already has firmware
2056 [22:17:47] <peyam> awwkey. it has the firmware. very good.
2057 [22:17:50] <jelly> see what dpkg linked, above
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2059 [22:18:07] <peyam> and when it's installed? would it install all the drivers? or should be done manually?
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2061 [22:18:19] <jelly> the default netinst does not have firmware you hw needs
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2064 [22:19:05] <peyam> but the installer will connect to internet with my wifi?
2065 [22:19:13] <peyam> the nonfree netinst
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2067 [22:19:18] <PipeItToDevNull> peyam, Not if it doesnt have the firmware for your wifi
2068 [22:19:20] <jelly> that's the idea
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2070 [22:19:53] <peyam> okej very good. and it will install the firmwares I need to make my computer work?
2071 [22:19:54] <jelly> PipeItToDevNull, the context is firmware images.
2072 [22:20:22] <jelly> peyam, I _think_ so, but if it doesn't, you can install it manually
2073 [22:20:47] <peyam> jelly, from the image? it's in there right?
2074 [22:20:54] <peyam> sorry for my confusion.
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2076 [22:21:09] <peyam> I'm not a linux developer. just a normal user.
2077 [22:21:30] <jelly> peyam, not sure, but no, netinst installs most of the stuff from the net
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2079 [22:21:42] <peyam> very good. thanks
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2107 [22:34:46] <tyranny12> hi. ive got a laptop with a fresh install of stretch where networkmanager doesn't properly authenticate to my wireless networks. ive gone through troubleshooting - i know that specifically nm is failing to supply the correct passphrase during the wpa handshake. i don't know what it IS supplying.
2108 [22:35:00] <tyranny12> this was tested by connecting manually via wpa_cli - works fine
2109 [22:35:12] <tyranny12> (except for nm clobbering resolv.conf)
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2112 [22:35:54] <tyranny12> so, my question is, last time i dealt with this, eight years ago, the standard advice was to whack nm and install wicd. that was long ago and a different distro. nm is a lot more integrated and polished now.
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2114 [22:36:08] <tyranny12> is that still the advice? i've never had to dive in to modern networkmanager.
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2116 [22:36:54] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: and you make a paste of your NM logs, "journalctl -u NetworkManager"?
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2119 [22:39:10] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: yea will take a second. irc client is on a different box.
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2121 [22:39:23] <tyranny12> (also, now i learned a new command)
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2129 [22:43:08] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: replaced-url
2130 [22:43:24] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: thanks. sorry i meant 'can' where i said 'and'
2131 [22:43:30] <tyranny12> yea i figured it out
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2134 [22:43:53] <tyranny12> log entries relevant around 107 for a failed auth with NM
2135 [22:44:00] <tyranny12> that'll show my messing with wpa too, later on
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2139 [22:44:55] <tyranny12> (only as much as NM will be confused when i kill it's supplicant to use my own)
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2143 [22:46:10] <teraflops> tyranny12: and why would you do such thing?
2144 [22:46:42] <tyranny12> teraflops: that was to try manual authentication via wpa_cli, not as standard practise
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2146 [22:46:54] <jmcnaught> don't go killing processes that belong to services, stop the service if you must
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2148 [22:47:11] <tyranny12> fair dues
2149 [22:47:33] <tyranny12> i figured sending a halt vs a kill would tell it to gracefully shut down and remove its lock file, and it did so
2150 [22:47:34] <teraflops> tyranny12: then do as jmcnaught pointed
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2153 [22:48:30] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: that's a bad practice. use the systemctl command, or the service command if you already know it
2154 [22:48:46] <tyranny12> teraflops: paste is above? As i mentioned, line 107 shows the issue before i messed with wpa_supplicant, i was just calling out that the last few lines of the log were not relevant. i can supply a fresh log if needed
2155 [22:48:56] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: yep, noted for the future.
2156 [22:49:16] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: which NM interface are you using? did it prompt to re-enter the WPA-PSK?
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2161 [22:50:35] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: gnome NM interface, if that's what you mean. and yes, multiple times. I also went in to the GUI and verified that passphrase was displayed correctly, then tried connecting from that
2162 [22:50:48] <tyranny12> s/that/there/
2163 [22:51:23] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: tried telling it to forget the network and connecting as if it were a new network?
2164 [22:51:25] <teraflops> tyranny12: I'm just pointing out that NM already uses wpa_supplicant, if you dont want to use it via NM, stop NM, then use your own thingy
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2166 [22:54:00] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: just tried again to be sure, but yes, that doesn't work either. worth noting it's showing this behaviour on both of my wireless networks.
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2172 [22:55:51] <tyranny12> teraflops: yea, the old advice used to be to uninstall it and install wicd, was wondering if that was still common
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2176 [22:56:22] <teraflops> tyranny12: whatever floats your boat, NM is fine if you ask me
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2178 [22:56:57] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: NM has been reliable for years
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2180 [22:57:37] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: agree, this was eight years ago and it's improved to the point where i don't know how to troubleshoot it for lack of need
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2182 [22:59:05] <jmcnaught> tyranny12: it's 100% impossible you're entering the wrong password for your wifi?
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2185 [22:59:48] <Peyam> hi
2186 [22:59:56] <Peyam> so I just installed debian xfce
2187 [23:00:04] <Peyam> but the dislays are horrible
2188 [23:00:13] <Peyam> I tryi to install xserver-xorg-core
2189 [23:00:27] <Peyam> it says it is set to manually installed.
2190 [23:00:34] <jmcnaught> Peyam: hi. other people are also talking, so please don't use <enter> in place of punctuation
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2192 [23:00:51] <Peyam> sory about that
2193 [23:01:18] <jmcnaught> it's okay, it's just easier for messages to get lost when they're spread across multiple short lines
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2195 [23:01:46] <tyranny12> jmcnaught: sadly, yes, 100% sure. here's a fresh paste from boot, no mucking about on my behalf with services or killing of processes, with several attempts, after forgetting the network - replaced-url
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2197 [23:01:55] <jmcnaught> Peyam: what is so horrible about the displays?
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2199 [23:02:48] <Peyam> they look not so good and my dual screen is not recognized in settings
2200 [23:04:21] <tyranny12> hmm, giving NM seems to be in favour, means im not going to look to rip it out yet, will have to google more to see how nm controls wpa_supplicant.
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2202 [23:05:33] <teraflops> tyranny12: maybe the AP is using key type your wireless nic does not support, or even a channel
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2205 [23:07:05] <tyranny12> teraflops: can connect fine if i use wpa_cli to connect to the network. so im pretty sure something isnt getting passed correctly to wpa_supplicent
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2207 [23:07:36] <teraflops> oh well
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2215 [23:12:52] <teraflops> tyranny12: which debian release are you using? did you search if there's a bug related to your issue?
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2217 [23:13:32] <teraflops> journalctl -u service name says something?
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2219 [23:13:39] <tyranny12> fresh install of stretch. and am doing that now, as well as looking in to NM debug logging.
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2222 [23:13:54] <teraflops> tyranny12: also which NM interface?
2223 [23:14:04] <teraflops> nmtui, kde/gnome applets?
2224 [23:14:17] <tyranny12> gnome applet, journalctl result here --> replaced-url
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2236 [23:20:58] <teraflops> tyranny12: no idea, yo do not have a wpa_supplicant instance running there, appart from NM's one?
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2243 [23:22:01] <teraflops> you^
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2251 [23:24:48] <tyranny12> teraflops: nope, just NM. im basically out-of-the-box bare install. funny thing is, ive got a laptop downstairs running stretch on this network no problem. however, there are at least two open bugs with people with similar systems, so im going over those reports now
2252 [23:25:01] <tyranny12> s/systems/symptoms/
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2254 [23:25:56] <tyranny12> oh nm, i didnt look at the bloody date
2255 [23:25:57] <teraflops> tyranny12: are the wireless nics the same?
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2257 [23:26:22] <tyranny12> teraflops: no, its most likely that specific.
2258 [23:26:51] <tyranny12> teraflops: laptop downstairs is a laptop, this is a surface pro 1st gen. i knew it would be a pain.
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2283 [23:38:42] <un214> how do I manage which root certificates debian accepts (as opposed to web browser)?
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2289 [23:41:44] <rudi_s> un214: /etc/ssl and man update-ca-certificates
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2294 [23:42:21] <rudi_s> However the web browsers accept the same (well except maybe chromium which might have a separate storage, not sure).
2295 [23:42:39] <un214> I found the brower's storage long ago
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2297 [23:43:01] <un214> but I'm pretty sure that debian's store is still accepting startcom which was bought out by an untrustworthy entity
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2301 [23:44:20] <bzed> un214: look into /etc/ssl/certs
2302 [23:44:30] <jmcnaught> un214: /usr/share/doc/ca-certificates/README.Debian
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2304 [23:45:13] <rudi_s> un214: Interesting, looks like it got fixed in Stretch but not yet in Jessie.
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2306 [23:46:09] <nvz> I'm experiencing slow copy speeds from my debian usb sata drive to an external ntfs drive, slow to the tune of 30kb/s any thoughts on what might be wrong here?
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2310 [23:49:48] <bzed> nvz: ntfs maybe?
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2312 [23:50:05] <un214> there we go reconfigure the package to get rid of them
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2320 [23:51:56] <nvz> bzed: why would ntfs be slowing it down this much?
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