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this is #debian an IRC -Channel at freenode (freenode IRC service closed 2021-06-01)
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2 [00:00:18] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: it's not clear what your question is
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7 [00:01:36] <Shawn|i7-720QM> on this page...replaced-url
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9 [00:01:48] <peterrooney> ZSky: because it's done in the context of a script, not the shell that calls it. If you tell your secretary to go pick up a hammer at Home Depot, should you find yourself in Home Depot? 90% chance you're running bash (and no bash script should have .sh extension), so maybe /join #bash ?
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14 [00:03:43] <th0r> Shawn|i7-720QM: usb and cd are the same iso...there isn't one for usb and another for cd. All you need to do is download the iso for your cpu
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21 [00:05:17] <Iridos> Shawn|i7-720QM, they are hybrid images…
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25 [00:05:57] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ah
26 [00:06:10] <Iridos> dpkg, usb install
27 [00:06:11] <dpkg> You can install Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key on x86 systems, as long as your system's BIOS can boot from USB. Details are in the Installation Guide, see replaced-url
28 [00:06:13] <Shawn|i7-720QM> so one of those 2 amd64 options can be used in win32disk imager?
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30 [00:06:52] <jmcnaught> peterrooney: what's wrong with using the .sh extension?
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36 [00:09:33] <peterrooney> jmcnaught: from replaced-url
37 [00:10:36] * peterrooney remembers first reading lhunath's bash guide
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40 [00:10:48] <HeinzBoettjer> are there .torrent avaible for 8.0.0 on debian.org? (in my case for source but also more if exist)
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42 [00:10:54] <Shawn|i7-720QM> the top download isn't even a img file
43 [00:11:07] <foul_owl> Is ksplice part of Debian currently? 8 and 9?
44 [00:11:38] <jmcnaught> peterrooney: thanks i'll take a look. I often name my scripts in /usr/local/bin with .sh just in case I've accidentally chosen a name that is also used by a binary from a package that I might install at a later date
45 [00:12:20] <Iridos> Shawn|i7-720QM, as far as I know any should do… but I'm not installing much netinstall definitely… and that's the smallest download (asl all packages out of the base system are installed directly from the net)
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47 [00:13:09] <Iridos> generally netinstall makes the most sense if the computer you install will have internet during the install (so… laptops with only wireless that needs firmware might be an exception)
48 [00:14:26] <peterrooney> jmcnaught: apt-file is a good way of making sure your potential name doesn't have any conflicts, i.e. "apt-file search scriptname" and see if it returns anything or not.
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51 [00:15:18] <peterrooney> jmcnaught: that only covers the current release, not future releases, so you may have to automate a test to be done before upgrades
52 [00:15:26] <jmcnaught> peterrooney: yeah but with my convention I don't have to worry about future packages after a release upgrade. Thanks though, I'm going to reconsider how I do it
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62 [00:18:12] <peterrooney> jmcnaught: just experimented; apt-file returns true even if there's no package matching the file. means a test script is going to be more than a for-loop
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66 [00:20:07] <Shawn|i7-720QM> nice to see the manual is just as vague as you folks...
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68 [00:20:28] <Iridos> peterrooney, yeah, I read the bash faq on that, too… it still seems to make sense to name small, self-written scripts ".sh" to signal "hey, it's a bash script and easily edited"
69 [00:20:54] <jmcnaught> peterrooney: well this is just my convention for simple scripts for repetitive tasks on one or two systems and I don't have that many. If I were to release a script to the wild, I would not use the .sh extension
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72 [00:20:59] <Iridos> dunno… I see the arguments about it …
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75 [00:21:37] <Iridos> Shawn|i7-720QM, what's the problem. Take the netinstall … CD1 if you think you are not going to have internet on the new machine
76 [00:21:43] <Iridos> anyway, gnight
77 [00:22:03] <Shawn|i7-720QM> there is an ethernet connection on that server
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80 [00:22:12] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I want to use netinstall
81 [00:22:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I was told to
82 [00:24:23] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: so you download replaced-url
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84 [00:24:49] <Shawn|i7-720QM> jmcnaught, win32disk imager is looking for .img, not iso
85 [00:26:29] <Shawn|i7-720QM> write sucessfull o.o
86 [00:26:38] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I wonder how baldy it mangled it
87 [00:26:40] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: change the file's extension in explorer, or in win32diskimager's file open dialogue tell it to show all files
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89 [00:26:53] <themill> so change that
90 [00:26:56] <Shawn|i7-720QM> an .img native prgram writing an iso...
91 [00:27:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *program
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96 [00:29:17] <themill> .img is meaningless
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101 [00:31:47] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: Debian images are hybrid, meaning that they work if burned to CDROM (they're an ISO) or equally well if copied to a USB stick or HDD
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104 [00:31:47] <Shawn|i7-720QM> its trying to boot
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109 [00:32:13] <Shawn|i7-720QM> not moving past the graphical install option
110 [00:32:13] <Shawn|i7-720QM> screen
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112 [00:32:13] <Shawn|i7-720QM> oh
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115 [00:32:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> thats why they retort the same iso
116 [00:32:23] <Shawn|i7-720QM> on both pages
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155 [00:33:28] <Shawn|i7-720QM> what the hell?
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160 [00:33:52] <Shawn|i7-720QM> debhelper, what was that for?
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165 [00:34:30] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: it thought you were flooding. "/msg dpkg enter"
166 [00:34:50] <Shawn|i7-720QM> oh good grief
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210 [00:35:18] <themill> Not using enter as punctuation helps.
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219 [00:35:26] <Shawn|i7-720QM> thats what I call flooding
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241 [00:36:20] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I may have to use a text mode install of debian
242 [00:36:37] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: that's fine, both modes ask the exact same questions
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244 [00:36:45] <Shawn|i7-720QM> debian's graphical installer seems to not support rage xl graphics chipset
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247 [00:36:57] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ah
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303 [00:49:26] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I tried both graphical install and the install option under it, only black screen
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313 [00:53:46] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: "the install option under it" is that the default "Install" option?
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315 [00:54:04] <Shawn|i7-720QM> no, not default
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321 [00:54:22] <Shawn|i7-720QM> its just "Install", under "Graphical Install"
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325 [00:56:24] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: ahh okay. ignore the graphical option. The one labeled "Install" gives you a black screen, how long did you wait for? Is there any disk activity?
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327 [00:57:00] <Shawn|i7-720QM> yes from the usb drive
328 [00:57:08] <jmcnaught> it shouldn't take very long from hitting <enter> on "Install" from the boot menu to get to the language selection screen
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332 [00:58:17] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: if you try using alt+f1 or alt+f4 does anything display?
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334 [00:59:13] <Shawn|i7-720QM> while its trying to boot from "Install"?
335 [00:59:20] <jmcnaught> yes
336 [00:59:28] <Shawn|i7-720QM> okay will try
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342 [01:05:06] <Shawn|i7-720QM> jmcnaught, I get nothing when I try
343 [01:05:18] <Shawn|i7-720QM> jmcnaught, should I try to figure out iLo?
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346 [01:07:36] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: uhhmm… i guess you could but that will be outside of the scope of this channel. You said earlier that other Linux distros successfully booted on this system?
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348 [01:08:36] <Shawn|i7-720QM> well when it came to me, one of em had ubuntu 14.04 in text mode
349 [01:08:48] <Shawn|i7-720QM> and the other had centrix or something
350 [01:08:50] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *Centos
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352 [01:09:34] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: so presumably you will be able to get the Debian installer to work. You used win32diskimager to prepare the USB stick?
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354 [01:10:06] <Shawn|i7-720QM> yes
355 [01:10:25] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I let win32disk imager raw mangle it onto a 2GB usb drive
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358 [01:11:29] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: you could try the USB stick in another computer, or try another USB stick. You should also try searching online for the model of the computer, and see if others have had this problem
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360 [01:11:58] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I'm couldn't find much for ML350 G4P servers on forums
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363 [01:13:03] <Shawn|i7-720QM> *I couldn't
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367 [01:14:12] <erika4|dinky4> ok uopdate
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369 [01:14:27] <erika4|dinky4> the destination host is unreachable on the locked state
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371 [01:14:56] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: please provide more context
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373 [01:15:15] <erika4|dinky4> thats whn i ping the unable to resume suspend laptop of mine
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376 [01:15:55] <jmcnaught> when you ping it from another computer, and the error included the words "locked state"?
377 [01:16:07] <erika4|dinky4> no
378 [01:16:24] <erika4|dinky4> the ping on the other computer said "host not reachable"
379 [01:16:28] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: did you look in your logs?
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381 [01:17:05] <erika4|dinky4> i been looking but it seems to stop logging when it resumed from suspend
382 [01:17:19] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: where did you look?
383 [01:17:44] <erika4|dinky4> i actually do not know where specifically so /var/log and jounralctrl
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386 [01:19:09] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: by default journald is not persistent, it only keeps journals in memory which are lost after a reboot. If you are looking in /var/log, look at syslog or messages, find where in that file the most recent boot starts, and look above that
387 [01:19:32] <erika4|dinky4> ok
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390 [01:20:06] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: syslog is timestamped, so jot down the time that you suspend/resume, then after the computer crashes and boots back up, look for that time in syslog
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395 [01:22:45] <erika4|dinky4> ok
396 [01:23:00] <erika4|dinky4> it looks to be wlan1 which is wifi... oh damn
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402 [01:27:28] <th0r> erika4|dinky4: the raspberry pi had an issue where the wifi would go to sleep after a period of inactivity. All I had to do was add an option to the module for the wifi to disable sleep. I doubt the pi info will help with your computer wifi, but it might be worth looking into the sleep mode on your wifi card.
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404 [01:28:26] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: can you show us that part of your logs?
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406 [01:28:50] <erika4|dinky4> yeah give me a sec
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409 [01:31:14] <sparky4> jmcnaught: wait
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415 [01:35:16] <Shawn|i7-720QM> all I get from debian's install are black screens :(
416 [01:35:20] <Shawn|i7-720QM> going to try ubuntu server
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418 [01:35:47] <erika4|dinky4> i see libglib
419 [01:35:52] <erika4|dinky4> traps
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432 [01:39:53] <Shawn|i7-720QM> I even tried expert mode, never moved passed a black screen
433 [01:39:54] <sdk_> Shawn|i7-720QM: Is Debian installed on the server or you have a black screen during the installation.
434 [01:39:55] <Shawn|i7-720QM> for 20 minutes
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436 [01:40:14] <Shawn|i7-720QM> sdk_, whenever I try to boot from the debian disk, after preparing it *properly*
437 [01:40:21] <Shawn|i7-720QM> on usb
438 [01:40:46] <Shawn|i7-720QM> can't even get close to installing debian on the scsi array
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440 [01:41:01] <jmcnaught> Shawn|i7-720QM: did you try the USB on a different computer? Or a different USB stick?
441 [01:41:21] <Shawn|i7-720QM> ive not had a problem with this disk, been using it to install small distros on other computers around me
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443 [01:41:33] <jmcnaught> but for the sake of troubleshooting…
444 [01:41:49] <Shawn|i7-720QM> its never given me an issue
445 [01:42:13] <jmcnaught> but one day it will, and that day could be today. at least try it on a different computer
446 [01:42:16] <erika4|dinky4> i'd rather show entire file
447 [01:42:20] <jmcnaught> process of elimination and all
448 [01:42:24] <erika4|dinky4> let me upload it
449 [01:42:30] <erika4|dinky4> i did pm-suspend it failed
450 [01:42:36] <erika4|dinky4> as usual
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454 [01:45:00] <guest6401> Fresh installing Strech using netinst iso. When choosing a DE, it installs tons of stuff I don't need (i.e. games, etc.) I think there used to be (tasksel?) that would let you narrow down what is installed. Howto?
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457 [01:45:43] <erika4|dinky4> i did not see a lack screen but the screen i should see if it resumed correctly. and the entire system locked up. let me upload that messages file
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459 [01:47:29] <sdk> guest6401: Hmm I installed Stretch 2 days ago with Mate and it didn't install a tons of stuff with it. What DE did you install?
460 [01:47:44] <guest6401> sdk: Gnome.
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468 [01:51:38] <sparky4> jmcnaught: replaced-url
469 [01:51:40] <sparky4> here
470 [01:51:42] <sparky4> the messages file
471 [01:51:55] <sdk> guest6401: I found in the doc that the package that the installer install is task-gnome-desktop. I just run "apt install --dry-run task-gnome-desktop and it install a lot of stuff...
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474 [01:53:41] <guest6401> sdk: I' just trying to see if there is a "minimal" version of gnome on install.
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476 [01:55:00] <guest6401> sdk: What happens if you just select "desktop" a the DE selection menu, and don't select any DE?
477 [01:55:37] <sdk> guest64: You will probably end up in a commandline.
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479 [01:55:49] <Shawn|i7-720QM> Ubuntu Server 16.04.2 LTS is installing, farthest I have gotten with linux on this box personally, in my month of having it
480 [01:55:53] <Shawn|i7-720QM> 2nd month
481 [01:56:52] <guest6401> Yeah, I want X. Maybe I'll try Cinnamon, or MATE.
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483 [01:57:45] <guest6401> sdk: Cinnamon is memory heavy, haven't used MATE in quite a while.
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489 [01:59:14] <guest6401> sdk: I really tried to like XFCE. But toher than being memory light, nothing to see - move along.
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493 [02:01:11] <sdk> guest6401: there's cool applet for Mate. And you can add themes too. Anyway, i can install Gnome 3 later if you don't like Mate.
494 [02:01:19] <sdk> you*
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498 [02:01:52] <Stevie-O> hey, I'm experimenting with some changes to an upstream package (a Perl module). I've got things arranged to I can build the source into a .deb, but I want to append some sort of suffix to the version number so I don't forget that I have a modified version installed. What's the right way to do that?
499 [02:02:05] <guest6401> sdk: decisions, decisions . . .
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504 [02:02:52] <guest6401> sdk: how is MATE on memory use these days?
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507 [02:03:18] <onca> I'm using debian to provide an ip and forward packets to it's wireless connection which creates an alternate network ip 192.168.2.1 and .2.10. What do I need to do to permit the system getting internet from the ethernet to see the systems on the ip range 192.168.1.1?
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509 [02:03:46] <onca> does this require a proxy?
510 [02:03:51] <Stevie-O> onca: proxy ARP?
511 [02:04:00] <Stevie-O> or oh
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513 [02:04:11] <Stevie-O> onca: do you want them to be on the same subnet, or different subnet?
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515 [02:04:47] <onca> I wouldn't mind making them the same subnet, but I don't know if it would mess with the wireless network
516 [02:04:57] <sdk> guest6401: ~500mb I think. I have compton on with some animation and FX like window shadows.
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518 [02:05:22] <Stevie-O> onca: if it's okay to put them on the same network (so, 192.168.0.0/20, for example), you want to create a bridge
519 [02:05:45] <Stevie-O> then everybody can see everybody else
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522 [02:05:59] <Stevie-O> and also you don't need multiple dhcp servers, just the one
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524 [02:06:37] <Stevie-O> onca: so is 192.168.1 the wireless or the ethernet?
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526 [02:06:55] <onca> Stevie-O: that is the wireless
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528 [02:07:06] <guest6401> That's a little lighter than Cinnamon or Gnome. Gnome right now running 1.4 Gb w/o a browser running, on another computer.
529 [02:07:16] <guest6401> That's a little lighter than Cinnamon or Gnome. Gnome right now running 1.4 Gb w/o a browser running, on another computer.
530 [02:07:38] <Stevie-O> onca: so the wireless already exists and you're trying to add in an ethernet network?
531 [02:07:39] <onca> using the same subnet would be acceptable, but I want to use a dhcp server on my system
532 [02:07:42] <guest6401> sdk: Fast fingers :)
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534 [02:07:53] <Stevie-O> onca: does everything talk out to the Internet via the wireless network?
535 [02:07:59] <onca> yes
536 [02:08:08] <Stevie-O> onca: and the wireless network has a DHCP server?
537 [02:08:16] <onca> yes
538 [02:08:24] <onca> but I need a dhcp server for net boot
539 [02:08:49] <Stevie-O> onca: and your wireless router can't handle that?
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541 [02:09:23] <onca> no, I have the debian system configured to serve tftp pxe boot for a rescue service
542 [02:09:28] <sdk> guest6401: Yes! Faster than Unity XD.
543 [02:09:46] <onca> and I want functioning devices to see the other devices on the network as well
544 [02:09:47] <guest6401> Never did like Unity.
545 [02:10:04] <Stevie-O> onca: okay, then here's what I would recommend
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547 [02:10:49] <Stevie-O> what are your interfaces for wifi/wired?
548 [02:11:12] <onca> Stevie-O: eth0 and wlan0
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550 [02:11:33] <Stevie-O> okay
551 [02:11:37] <guest6401> sdk: Well, that's it. Patience my ass. I'm gonna install something - even if it's wrong. :)
552 [02:11:39] <Stevie-O> you want to set up a bridge
553 [02:11:45] <Stevie-O> lemme show you an example
554 [02:11:54] <Stevie-O> you're using /etc/network/interfaces for your config, right?
555 [02:12:01] <sdk> guest6401: Good luck :)
556 [02:12:04] <foul_owl> Anyone here use rhythmbox?
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559 [02:12:34] <guest6401> sdk: Thanks! Later.
560 [02:12:36] <onca> Stevie-O: that and dhcpd.conf
561 [02:12:44] <Stevie-O> onca: oh, and you'll need a static IP address for your debian box
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563 [02:13:08] <onca> Stevie-O: I have that.
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565 [02:13:16] <paqcito> Hello. Has anyone in here experience setting up his own DNS server?
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567 [02:14:18] <paqcito> Hello. Has anyone had in here experience setting up his own DNS server?*
568 [02:14:23] <Stevie-O> onca: what is it?
569 [02:14:42] <sdk> guest6401: later ;)
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571 [02:15:03] <onca> 192.168.1.191
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573 [02:16:01] <Stevie-O> by the way
574 [02:16:07] <Stevie-O> what kind of wireless router are you using
575 [02:16:22] <onca> I'm not sure, it isn't mine to configure.
576 [02:16:27] <Stevie-O> ah
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578 [02:16:32] <Stevie-O> it's not?
579 [02:16:36] <Stevie-O> whose is it?
580 [02:16:41] <onca> nah. it's my brothers.
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582 [02:16:48] <Stevie-O> okay
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585 [02:17:04] <Stevie-O> do you think he would be amenable to shutting off the dhcp server and letting you run yours instead?
586 [02:17:13] <Nothing4You> are there any major difference between the kernel module unionfs implementations? as far as i understand there's aufs, unionfs and overlayfs?
587 [02:17:53] <Nothing4You> in the debian packages i can only find information about unionfs-fuse, not just unionfs
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595 [02:19:37] <Stevie-O> onca: *ping*
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599 [02:21:57] <onca> oh hey
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601 [02:22:19] <onca> Stevie-O: no definitely not.
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603 [02:23:12] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: so you can search that file for "0.000000" which is the first line of a new boot, then look at the messages directly above. You can also jot down the time when you suspend, wait a few minutes, then resume, so that it's easier to distinguish pre/post resume messages. It is possible that what ever happens does not make it to the logs on disk however.
604 [02:24:35] <Stevie-O> onca: if he wouldn't go for that, your only real option to is to run your own private network and do NAT
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606 [02:25:20] <erika4|dinky4> i see the messages but they are not consistant and yeah i think what ever is causing it is not allowing a log
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609 [02:27:39] <velix> I'm on AMD64 and need to run a 32-bit application. It has been pre-compiled and can't work with my 64-bit libz.so.1. What's a good solution? 32-bit chroot ?
610 [02:28:11] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: "grep -B15 0.000000 /var/log/syslog" would show you the 15 lines before that line
611 [02:28:53] <jmcnaught> velix: replaced-url
612 [02:28:59] <velix> jmcnaught: ok, thx
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615 [02:29:22] <sparky4> jmcnaught: ok
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617 [02:30:14] <velix> jmcnaught: works, thx
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621 [02:32:49] <sparky4> jmcnaught: nope
622 [02:32:56] <sparky4> hmmm
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628 [02:36:51] <onca> Stevie-O: that sounds fine but how do I configure NAT?
629 [02:38:18] <Stevie-O> eh, that's outside my experience
630 [02:38:39] <Stevie-O> I'm normally the one in control of the router, and I just load OpenWRT onto the thing
631 [02:39:21] <Stevie-O> PXE wasn't designed to be used by people who aren't 100% in control of the network
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633 [02:40:04] <jmcnaught> sparky4: how do you suspend the computer?
634 [02:40:36] <erika4|dinky4> xfce applications menu log out -> suspend / or / pm-suspend
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640 [02:42:00] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: is it any different if you run "systemctl suspend"?
641 [02:42:13] <erika4|dinky4> i will check now!
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643 [02:42:52] <jmcnaught> the two probably put the computer to sleep the same way, but pm-utils has its own hooks system, while systemd just uses targets and units
644 [02:43:13] <erika4|dinky4> ah ok
645 [02:43:42] <jmcnaught> so the things that happen right before and after a suspend/resume event could be different for the two
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647 [02:44:02] <erika4|dinky4> wtf!
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649 [02:44:08] <erika4|dinky4> in cli it spammed something
650 [02:44:17] <erika4|dinky4> let me reboot into single user
651 [02:44:28] <friiq> ok
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659 [02:53:40] <jellycode> hey there guys, having a wierd issue. This package installs just fine on Trusty, but not on Zesty. Zesty says no candidate when we do install, but it's there when we do apt-cache showpkg... is there a common cause for this?
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661 [02:53:52] <jellycode> Package is libpcap-dev:i386
662 [02:54:06] <jellycode> Here's the output from my apt commands
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664 [02:54:09] <jellycode> replaced-url
665 [02:55:19] <jmcnaught> jellycode: you're in #debian, please ask in #ubuntu for Ubuntu support
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669 [02:56:00] <jellycode> oops, wrong channel, so sorry
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690 [03:06:24] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught filesystem gets corrupted
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693 [03:06:39] <erika4|dinky4> when i run systemctl suspend
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695 [03:06:53] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: and it also does not resume?
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697 [03:07:14] <erika4|dinky4> nope not in normal mode
698 [03:07:21] <erika4|dinky4> but in recovery mode yes
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700 [03:07:48] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: so you run "systemctl suspend", it suspends, you resume the computer, and it boots into recovery mode?
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702 [03:09:28] <erika4|dinky4> no no~
703 [03:09:55] <erika4|dinky4> in recoverymode it works fine and prints a message of SYSTEM FREEZE LOCK
704 [03:10:00] <erika4|dinky4> and resumes ok
705 [03:10:07] <erika4|dinky4> in normal boot it locks up
706 [03:10:27] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: oh, you suspended while in recovery mode
707 [03:10:35] <erika4|dinky4> yeah and it works ok there
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709 [03:11:40] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught when i run that command it will spam file system errors
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711 [03:11:57] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: before it suspends?
712 [03:12:28] <erika4|dinky4> yes
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714 [03:12:50] <erika4|dinky4> i am going to let it boot compleatly and then do it 1 more time
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720 [03:18:54] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught i did systemctl suspend in a terminal emulator in xwindows and it did the same thing as it sould normally do
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730 [03:23:06] <Nong> hi
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736 [03:25:30] <erika4|dinky4> i may have idea what is causing it
737 [03:25:53] <Nong> my debian chromium flash do not work...sadday
738 [03:26:14] <erika4|dinky4> stretch version right?
739 [03:26:22] <Nong> i try fix it
740 [03:27:51] <erika4|dinky4> nong any errors reported?
741 [03:28:18] <jmcnaught> stretch doesn't include packages for adobe flash anymore
742 [03:28:46] <onca> I bought too many things this week.
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744 [03:28:59] <onca> oops wrong window.
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749 [03:32:28] <pattinathar> hello
750 [03:32:47] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught no hints?
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752 [03:33:53] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: i saw you say "i may have idea what is causing it" then some responses to Nong, did I miss a message?
753 [03:34:02] <ryan-c> I'm using the network console installer - how do i switch to a shell?
754 [03:34:19] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught X11
755 [03:34:36] <erika4|dinky4> i think may cause the crash with something let me see
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758 [03:35:47] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: it could be a GPU driver bug. Have you checked if your GPU needs a firmware in stretch? Some GPUs need them that didn't in jessie.
759 [03:36:03] <erika4|dinky4> i can
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761 [03:36:50] <erika4|dinky4> crap it is getting late i should head home and finish this there
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764 [03:37:46] <pattinathar> hello can i paste the error am getting in the terminal here?
765 [03:37:58] <erika4|dinky4> no
766 [03:38:04] <erika4|dinky4> put in in our paste bin
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768 [03:38:10] <erika4|dinky4> and link it here
769 [03:38:14] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: if you have a large enough swap to hold your RAM, I would also try doing a hibernate to disk to see if that's different at all
770 [03:38:31] <erika4|dinky4> ok
771 [03:38:33] <pattinathar> where is it sorry am new here
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773 [03:39:00] <erika4|dinky4> pattinathar /dpkg paste
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775 [03:39:27] <jmcnaught> pattinathar: replaced-url
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777 [03:39:50] <erika4|dinky4> hibernating
778 [03:40:14] <jmcnaught> pattinathar: also I think erika4|dinky4 meant "/msg dpkg paste", dpkg is the name of our fact bot, if you message it "paste" it will tell you about pasting
779 [03:40:19] <erika4|dinky4> woke back up with black scree.
780 [03:40:30] <erika4|dinky4> oh lol
781 [03:40:48] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught same problem
782 [03:41:23] <pattinathar> replaced-url
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784 [03:41:27] <pattinathar> getting that error
785 [03:41:34] <pattinathar> can anyone plz help me with it?
786 [03:41:38] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: did suspend/resume work on an earlier version of Debian, or in another distro?
787 [03:41:52] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught it worked 100% in jessie
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789 [03:42:03] <erika4|dinky4> like it worked so well!
790 [03:42:27] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught filesystem corrupted again...
791 [03:42:45] <jmcnaught> pattinathar: "/msg dpkg bat" for troubleshooting information to provide when having package problems. Also please include full output of commands, not just snippets
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794 [03:43:30] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: it would interesting to see some logs from the "systemctl suspend" filesystem corruption episode, but maybe you want to take a break and go home first
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796 [03:44:20] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught i am going to check that driver thing
797 [03:44:25] <erika4|dinky4> is it that problem?
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799 [03:45:06] <jmcnaught> hard to say without seeing log output
800 [03:45:34] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught i do not know which log and if it is ever logged..
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803 [03:46:10] <erika4|dinky4> ok how about this
804 [03:46:24] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: i know, but the filesystem corruption thing would probably make it to logs. Also it would be interesting to see the logs of a successful suspend/resume when in recovery mode
805 [03:46:45] <un214> TIL I learned I've been running the previous kernel for 6 months for no good reason
806 [03:46:51] <erika4|dinky4> jmcnaught i give you the login for that laptop?
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809 [03:47:50] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: heh, no thanks. i'm probably trustworthy but we don't want to encourage that kind of thing around here, because i could also be a sketchbag
810 [03:48:10] <erika4|dinky4> ok
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812 [03:48:56] <erika4|dinky4> !?!?!
813 [03:49:05] <erika4|dinky4> oh shut down it errored
814 [03:49:16] <erika4|dinky4> journal has aborted
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817 [03:49:59] <erika4|dinky4> after Started anonymizing overlay network for TCP
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819 [03:50:54] <erika4|dinky4> the fs errors and journal abourted
820 [03:51:01] <erika4|dinky4> odd
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822 [03:52:11] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: anyways I've gotta go for a bit, I might be on later if you're still working on this. If you're still having trouble, try to make a paste or two of command and output on successful suspend/resume in recovery mode, along with logs of that event, and pastes of logs/errors that you encounter
823 [03:52:16] <jmcnaught> erika4|dinky4: good luck ☺
824 [03:52:31] <erika4|dinky4> ok thank
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828 [03:57:51] <otyugha> well
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848 [04:15:13] <MarioMey> Does xdotool windowminimize works in Debian9?
849 [04:15:29] <MarioMey> Because the same command that I used to use with Ubuntu 14.04, doesn't work in Debian9.
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853 [04:19:50] <MarioMey> Well... it works, but only by clicking it. I don't understand how to do it by name.
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855 [04:20:12] <MarioMey> xdotool search --name "Pd" windowminimize
856 [04:20:21] <MarioMey> ... doesn't work (any more).
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896 [04:45:10] <Nothing4You> is there a way to have a service that only provides a file to /etc/init.d/<service> file start after a specific systemd service?
897 [04:45:41] <Canucktux> Nothing4You: like forcing stuff to load in a certain order?
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900 [04:46:04] <Nothing4You> i have a systemd service that makes sure a network mount is set up properly
901 [04:46:12] <Nothing4You> which i need for the non-systemd service to work properly
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904 [04:46:40] <Nothing4You> so yes, the order of the stuff loading is what i'm looking for
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930 [05:14:03] <Canucktux> Nothing4You: systemd lets you set up depencies
931 [05:14:30] <Canucktux> replaced-url
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933 [05:15:07] <Nothing4You> the point was that the service isn't using a systemd unit
934 [05:15:22] <Nothing4You> i'm going to bed now though, i'll try more tomorrow
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936 [05:17:35] <Canucktux> hmmm
937 [05:18:09] <Canucktux> Nothing4You: is assimilating everything into systemd an option?
938 [05:18:14] <somiaj> I think systemd honors LSB headers, so that should be able to be used for an sysvinit script for dependcies in systemd. But it might be preferable to switch it to a systemd unit
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940 [05:19:21] <Nothing4You> migrating to systemd is not an option for me since i'm not a project maintainer and i'm looking for something that can be done "now" and preferrably doesn't get nuked by package updates
941 [05:19:46] <Nothing4You> off to bed now, maybe i'll find a solution tomorrow
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943 [05:20:08] <Canucktux> fair enough
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946 [05:22:51] <Devastator> has anyone seen a warning that says something like "was the disk resized?"? I can't find a proper keyword to search for it in google
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948 [05:23:05] <somiaj> Devastator: warning from what?
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951 [05:23:56] <Devastator> somiaj during boot after upgrading from jessie to stretch it complains about lvmetad and something about LV size being wrong and saying that.. "was the disk resized?"
952 [05:24:32] <somiaj> I would double check your lvm is setup correctly, I don't know enough about lvm to be of much help there since I don't use it
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954 [05:24:43] <nemo_> how add my debian wiki homepage to category homepage?
955 [05:25:27] <Devastator> somiaj no problem, I'm focusing on hardware problem now, I'm tired of getting segfaults and other weird errors
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971 [05:36:14] <jmcnaught> Nothing4You is gone now, but you can add /etc/systemd/system/foo.service.d/foo.conf files for LSB init scripts, they don't have to already be a systemd .service unit for that to work
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1026 [06:12:26] <Nong> wu,,wa
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1034 [06:18:25] <Nong> ...
1035 [06:18:41] <Nong> why no one talk
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1042 [06:27:34] <jmcnaught> Nong: hello, this a support channel and currently nobody seems to be working on any problems. If you have a question you are welcome to ask and stick around for someone with an answer to see it ☺
1043 [06:28:43] <Nong> jmcnaught: thank you jmcnaught
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1046 [06:30:23] <jmcnaught> Nong: and of course you are also welcome to help answer other people's questions (as long as you're not guessing ;)
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1050 [06:35:45] <Nong> jmcnaught: nice, I can do that
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1057 [06:45:15] <wjtaylor> I've just upgraded from deb 7 to 9. I can't seem to find gapcmon anymore. Is there another UPS monitoring utility that is recommended?
1058 [06:47:16] <jmcnaught> wjtaylor: did you upgrade to 8 in between?
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1072 [06:55:55] <wjtaylor> no
1073 [06:56:08] <wjtaylor> jmcnaught: ^^
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1075 [06:57:56] <Nong> o...
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1078 [06:58:33] <jmcnaught> wjtaylor: then you should be prepared for some weirdness, as skipping major releases is not supported. It is possible that some stuff was not upgraded properly because the scripts in packages for stretch will assume they are upgrading from jessie, not from wheezy. Also if it's an APC product look at apcupsd
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1083 [06:59:57] <wjtaylor> jmcnaught: This was a new installation, I was just looking to setup a UPS monitor like before. It doesn't have to be gapcmon, it just has to work with my ups.
1084 [07:02:47] <jmcnaught> wjtaylor: oh by "upgrade" i thought you meant "upgrade". searching for "ups" in apt is a little difficult i suppose, but there does some to be a hardware::power debtag, so you could look at the results of "aptitude search ~Ghardware::power" to see if there are others besides apcupsd
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1095 [07:10:33] <pclov3r> Any suggestions on how to adjust the icon size on debian 9 using gnome?
1096 [07:10:40] <pclov3r> i am using gnom classic to be more specific
1097 [07:10:43] <pclov3r> gnome
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1118 [07:28:24] <jmcnaught> pclov3r: you could try making a ~/.config/gtk-3.0/gtk.css file (there's probably somewhere in /usr/local/share/themes you could put this as well). Then you could look at replaced-url
1119 [07:29:03] <pclov3r> hum
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1123 [07:30:24] <jmcnaught> pclov3r: unfortunately I do not know where the default is, because taking a copy of that and putting it in your home would probably be the easiest to figure out. /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/gtk-3.0/gtk.css is just a comment about that file not being used
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1128 [07:31:39] <pclov3r> i found it
1129 [07:32:13] <jmcnaught> where is it?
1130 [07:32:17] <pclov3r> jmcnaught, no need to do any of that. Just had to open the file brower click on the middle option
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1132 [07:32:22] <pclov3r> to the right
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1134 [07:32:25] <pclov3r> and you can scale it there
1135 [07:32:47] <jmcnaught> oh heh i thought you meant the application menu
1136 [07:33:19] <pclov3r> not sure why it's so large by default loo
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1140 [07:34:09] <Dr_Coke> help
1141 [07:34:28] <Dr_Coke> thunderbird has a bug in the debian 9 reop
1142 [07:34:32] <Dr_Coke> thunderbird has a bug in the debian 9 repo
1143 [07:34:43] <Dr_Coke> how can I update thunderbird
1144 [07:34:50] <Dr_Coke> to a newer version?
1145 [07:35:01] <pclov3r> Is there a new package in the backports?
1146 [07:35:07] <pclov3r> newer
1147 [07:35:11] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: what is the bug? is it reported on replaced-url
1148 [07:35:37] <nemo_> any one help me for debian advocate
1149 [07:35:42] <Dr_Coke> jmcnaught, when you setup your gmail account and the google sign in comes up you can't click next
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1151 [07:35:54] <Dr_Coke> well you can but it does nothing
1152 [07:36:16] <Dr_Coke> it's a thunderbird bug it happened to me on ubuntu as well
1153 [07:36:22] <Dr_Coke> newer thunderbirds are fine
1154 [07:36:31] <pclov3r> Dr_Coke, hum perhaps you can set it up as IAMP manually
1155 [07:36:51] <Dr_Coke> pclov3r, how can I add backports
1156 [07:37:16] <pclov3r> @backports
1157 [07:37:19] <jmcnaught> ,v thunderbird
1158 [07:37:20] <judd> Package: thunderbird on amd64 -- wheezy-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb7u1; jessie: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; jessie-security: 1:45.8.0-3~deb8u1; stretch: 1:45.8.0-3; sid: 1:52.2.1-4; buster: 1:52.2.1-4
1159 [07:37:20] <pclov3r> not sure if there is a bot here
1160 [07:37:23] <Dr_Coke> I mean are they already there
1161 [07:37:24] <pclov3r> for that
1162 [07:37:26] <pclov3r> to explain backports
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1164 [07:38:59] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: there doesn't appear to be a newer version of thunderbird in backports. It also doesn't seem to have been added to backports for previous releases
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1166 [07:39:07] <pclov3r> Dr_Coke, you should also have the option of setting up googles imap servers manually as a work around
1167 [07:39:37] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: or you could try another client like Evolution or KMail
1168 [07:39:49] <Dr_Coke> jmcnaught, I'm using stretch
1169 [07:39:56] <Dr_Coke> and it says 1:45
1170 [07:40:01] <Dr_Coke> sid and buster are 1.52
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1172 [07:40:27] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: those are the testing and unstable releases, you cannot use their packages on a stable system
1173 [07:40:28] <pclov3r> those packages wont work on stretch
1174 [07:40:53] <Dr_Coke> oh
1175 [07:40:56] <debster> hi all would there be a way to install kali tools on debian stretch using something like katoolin?
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1178 [07:42:26] <Dr_Coke> I tried manually but it comes up with that screen
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1180 [07:42:35] <debster> i mean how likely is that to break my system
1181 [07:42:42] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: jessie was released with thunderbird (well, icedove) 31, and wheezy with icedove 10. It looks like Thunderbird is treated the same as firefox-esr and chromium, once there's a security flaw that cannot be backported to the version in stable, the newer version is backported
1182 [07:42:52] <pclov3r> Dr_Coke, you should be able to add an account manually
1183 [07:43:28] <jmcnaught> debster: if you mix distros you could make it difficult or impossible to do a major release upgrade in the future. even small security updates could break things
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1185 [07:43:36] <Dr_Coke> oh maybe I will put icedove on for the moment
1186 [07:43:56] <debster> jmcnaught: so basically the only thing i could do is install each package (if supported) individually?
1187 [07:44:33] <jmcnaught> Dr_Coke: icedove got renamed back to thunderbird in Debian. You'll have to wait for it to get updated in stretch and temporarily use the security override in your gmail account, or try another client for now
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1189 [07:44:54] <jmcnaught> debster: no, it's not a good idea to install packages from other distros
1190 [07:45:04] <Lady-Aleena> Hello. I just installed Debian 9 on another computer and updated the sources.list to replaced-url
1191 [07:45:06] <pclov3r> if this is a bug that occurred in Ubuntu and was fixed it probably should be filed as such
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1193 [07:45:08] <jmcnaught> debster: just because they both use the same .deb file format does not make them compatible
1194 [07:45:33] <jmcnaught> debster: have you checked to see if some of the tools you want to use are already in Debian?
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1196 [07:46:04] <debster> jmcnaught: not yet, sorry that's more what i meant, like for example installing aircrack-ng suite on debian
1197 [07:46:14] <jmcnaught> ,v flashplugin-nonfree
1198 [07:46:15] <judd> Package: flashplugin-nonfree on amd64 -- wheezy/contrib: 1:3.2+wheezy1; jessie/contrib: 1:3.6.1+deb8u1; sid/contrib: 1:3.7
1199 [07:46:27] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: that package was removed in stretch
1200 [07:46:40] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: what replaced it?
1201 [07:46:48] <jmcnaught> debster: aircrack-ng is in Debian
1202 [07:46:53] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: not using flash :P
1203 [07:46:55] <debster> jmcnaught: sweet, thanks
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1205 [07:47:21] <jmcnaught> debster: read "man apt-cache" for how to search for packages on your system and read their descriptions
1206 [07:47:26] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: Then that means no videos at all then, and that is the only reason I installed Debian on this computer.
1207 [07:48:00] <Dr_Coke> jmcnaught, I will wait for it to get updated it's my favorite
1208 [07:48:21] <Dr_Coke> I'm glad they renamed it back to thunderbird
1209 [07:48:47] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: the sites you go to for videos don't support HTML5? You can still go to the adobe website and download the tarball for Flash, extract it to your ~/.mozilla
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1211 [07:49:45] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: No they do not. Only flash player. And I would like it to work in both Firefox and Chromium.
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1214 [07:51:24] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: chromium is probably even more difficult to get the plugin for. Your best options are installing it manually in your ~/.mozilla profile, or installing google chrome (yuck), or trying to get your video sites to work without flash
1215 [07:52:14] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: HTML5 is just so bad. I loathe it.
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1218 [07:53:17] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: you could use youtube-dl, i think mpv can use youtube-dl if it's installed
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1220 [07:53:36] <jmcnaught> i prefer html5 videos to having flash installed, personally
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1223 [07:54:30] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: youtube isn't the only video site out there you know. 8p
1224 [07:55:00] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: spoken like a person who did not read the description of the youtube-dl package
1225 [07:56:00] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: I'm doing a few things at the same time.
1226 [07:56:46] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: well, youtube-dl works with lots of sites :P
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1232 [07:59:07] <Lady-Aleena> And why is my display skipping around? I go to scroll up or down and I get a weird skipping in my display. (The only way I can think to describe it)
1233 [07:59:57] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: it could be a sign that you are trapped in a simulation. What kind of graphics card is it?
1234 [08:01:39] <Lady-Aleena> GF108 [GeForce GT 630]
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1236 [08:02:56] <Lady-Aleena> I installed KDE with Stretch.
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1238 [08:03:40] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: "dmesg | grep -i firmware" (as root) some GPUs require firmwares in stretch that didn't in earlier releases, I don't know if that applies to nvidia cards or not
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1242 [08:04:54] <Agiofws> hello
1243 [08:05:59] <Lady-Aleena> replaced-url
1244 [08:06:36] <Agiofws> i was wondering if there is a way to install my bootloader onto a usb stick instead of installing it onto the mbr of the hd
1245 [08:07:33] <mel00010> Agiofws: Why would you want to do that? And why not just use UEFI?
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1248 [08:08:41] <Agiofws> i have a workstation at work which has windows 7 installed and i'd like to install + linux on it for a dual boot machine
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1252 [08:09:25] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: the Debian installer should detect Windows and make it available in the grub2 boot menu
1253 [08:09:29] <Agiofws> but i'd like to workstation to boot into windows 7 normally with out the usb bootloader and into linux with the usb bootloader is this doable?\
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1258 [08:10:01] <Agiofws> installing grub2 onto a usb stick
1259 [08:10:07] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: the installer will also let you select which drive the bootloader is written to
1260 [08:10:19] <mel00010> Agiofws, if you are installing Linux on it, then why not just install the bootloader to the disk too?
1261 [08:10:36] <jmcnaught> so yes, but doing this is probably not as well tested as installing grub on the computers hard drive
1262 [08:10:42] <Lady-Aleena> Well, it looks like this computer is screwed up to hell and back. So much for watching videos on it anymore.
1263 [08:10:51] <Abnormality> Agiofws, probably. Paranoid the NSA is going to compromise your bootloader? oO
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1266 [08:11:25] <Agiofws> because i'm at work and maybe they don't want me to touch the drives mbr
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1269 [08:11:28] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: you could ask about it in #nouveau (double check you're using nouveau first)
1270 [08:11:54] <mel00010> Agiofws, they don
1271 [08:11:55] <Abnormality> And if you aren't, maybe try the proprietary driver if that is an option
1272 [08:11:59] <Abnormality> or vice versa
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1274 [08:12:04] <Agiofws> mel00010: ?
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1276 [08:12:27] <mel00010> Agiofws, *they dont want you to touch the mbr but allow you to touch the partition table?
1277 [08:12:32] <cruncher> Agiofws, for whatever reason you want to do it, use grub-install
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1279 [08:12:44] <Lady-Aleena> How do I find that out jmcnaught? It has been a long while since I had to deal with these settings.
1280 [08:12:44] <cruncher> you may have to use the boot-directory parameter
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1282 [08:13:01] <mel00010> Agiofws, I accidentally hit enter sometimes when I'm typing :(
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1285 [08:13:27] <cruncher> and like jmcnaught said, you can do that at the installer too
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1287 [08:14:05] <Agiofws> so i can install grub2 on a usb stick and tell my pc to boot from the usb stick to choose which OS to load? and if i omit the stick it would boot into windows automatically?
1288 [08:14:25] <jmcnaught> Lady-Aleena: "lsmod | grep nouveau" you should also look at Xorg.0.log which could be in ~/.local/share/xorg or /var/log
1289 [08:14:28] <mel00010> Agiofws, Yes, I believe
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1291 [08:14:32] <Agiofws> is it doabale?
1292 [08:14:40] <cruncher> Agiofws, yes, but if they dont want you to "touch" the mbr, maybe they dont want you either to boot from another device... ;-)
1293 [08:14:41] <Abnormality> Agiofws, it should be totally possible and I bet you can even find a tutorial.
1294 [08:14:54] <Nong> u pc boot with OS is by u bios
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1296 [08:15:01] <mel00010> Agiofws, it would be just like when you boot to the installer to install Debian
1297 [08:15:20] <Abnormality> Agiofws, assuming your work computer isn't locked down to the point that USB booting/BIOS access are disabled
1298 [08:15:21] <Lady-Aleena> jmcnaught: appears that I am. I will go there.
1299 [08:15:35] <Agiofws> i think not Abnormality
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1301 [08:15:39] <Nong> set u bios ,so u can boot witch OS
1302 [08:15:48] <jmcnaught> Agiofws: a Debian installer image can actually rescue boot a system already installed on the HDD
1303 [08:16:41] <Agiofws> Nong: are you saying my bios has an option to choose which Os to load so i don;t have to go with grub2 on a usb stick?
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1309 [08:17:55] <Nong> no ,,u much set bios 1st,,,and 2 go to install grub2 on usb stick
1310 [08:18:36] <Agiofws> you are saying to set bios to boot off usb stick first Nong ?
1311 [08:18:46] <Nong> make sure u hardwave 1st,,,and make u softwave 2
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1316 [08:19:51] <Nong> if u have ssd hhd and usb...u can set witch one 1st boot
1317 [08:19:56] <Nong> in bios
1318 [08:20:49] <Nong> after that..u go install grub2
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1320 [08:23:49] <Lady-Aleena> Okay, struck out with nouveau, so what nvidia driver should I install?
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1322 [08:24:25] <towo^work> depends on your hardware
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1325 [08:25:08] <Nong> I have no vedio card...sorry...
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1327 [08:26:12] <Lady-Aleena> GF108 [GeForce GT 630]
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1329 [08:26:37] <towo^work> then the package nvidia-driver would be the right
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1334 [08:29:26] <Lady-Aleena> I have to reboot.
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1336 [08:30:10] <Nong> ok...
1337 [08:30:18] <Nong> well come back
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1360 [08:42:21] <toruvinn> what does Evolution do to open urls? cause i just get a "could not open link"/"operation not supported" dialog
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1362 [08:42:46] <toruvinn> xdg-open replaced-url
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1365 [08:44:04] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me get PHP to work with nginx? Instead of loading a .php file it asks me to save/open it...
1366 [08:44:28] <Nong> ...
1367 [08:45:19] <Hoolootwo> ...
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1370 [08:49:31] <Nong> can u load .html now ?
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1382 [08:55:19] <Lucifer> first,run php-fpm server;second,proxy ;
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1385 [08:56:58] <tsarompy> >:|
1386 [08:57:01] <tsarompy> xfce ate my menu
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1388 [08:57:25] <tsarompy> its okay i wanted an excuse to use kde anyway
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1437 [09:22:58] <Lady_Aleena> I have decided I do not like Stretch.
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1441 [09:23:59] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: I'd ask you on offtopic about why, but you're not there
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1446 [09:24:30] <Lady_Aleena> I will wait for the next iteration of Debian because Stretch did not fix the multitude of problems with sound production.
1447 [09:24:46] <rjsalts> pro audio stuff?
1448 [09:25:26] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, I can not get Debian Stretch on another computer to produce sound. That computer is for watching online videos. What use is that computer now that it won't emit a single sound and won't play videos.
1449 [09:26:20] <pclov3r> i have a git question now. When stuff has a version tag i suppose it's a different option than b to use to clone it
1450 [09:26:22] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: so just basic sound isn't working
1451 [09:26:25] <pclov3r> since b is for branch
1452 [09:26:40] <pclov3r> say for example pulling code form github and you want to pull a specific version
1453 [09:26:54] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, exactly. I have gone through alsamixer, KDE's sound set up, nothing works.
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1457 [09:28:52] <rjsalts> pclov3r: git checkout tag will checkout the commit for that tag, git checkout branch will move to that branches head, git checkout 352221ce47b884a69a3fbe02c57188e1c46d72dc will go to a commit with that sha1sum, etc
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1459 [09:29:14] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: you have pulseaudio in the mix?
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1461 [09:29:33] <pclov3r> ah that makes sense
1462 [09:29:36] <pclov3r> thanks
1463 [09:29:40] <secsearch> Hello, where could I find good security news feeds for debian? exploits and the such?
1464 [09:29:48] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, I don't know. Right now I am pissed and need to vent.
1465 [09:29:58] <Mahe> pclov3r, in short both tags and branches point to a single commit that gets checked out but the branch one is dynamic and may change over time (it's always the 'latest' commit for that branch)
1466 [09:30:31] * Lady_Aleena head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk, head desk.
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1471 [09:31:15] <pclov3r> i am new to git :)
1472 [09:31:17] <pclov3r> well somewhat new
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1475 [09:33:52] <jmcnaught> secsearch: replaced-url
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1477 [09:34:33] <secsearch> thnx jmcnaught
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1484 [09:39:16] <Haohmaru> is there a way to quickly generate sha256 sums of a bunch of files and write them either into individual files or into a single file?
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1487 [09:39:45] <Haohmaru> or is that a job for shell scripting
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1491 [09:40:27] <Ke> find -type -f exec sha256sum '{}' +
1492 [09:40:50] <Ke> but you can see that's not parallel
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1494 [09:40:58] <Haohmaru> o_O
1495 [09:41:14] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: sha256sum takes a list of files and outputs the checksum of each
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1497 [09:41:22] <Haohmaru> i don't think i see anything.. looks like dark magic
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1499 [09:41:57] <Haohmaru> rjsalts, but it only prints them in the terminal
1500 [09:42:07] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: man find, this basically says find every regular file under the current directory and execute sha256sum for each of them
1501 [09:42:10] <Ke> find -type f -exec sha256sum '{}' + > results.txt
1502 [09:42:13] <Haohmaru> well, i could select them and copy/paste maybe
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1504 [09:42:27] <Ke> dash was in the wrong place
1505 [09:42:31] <pragomer> what is the successor of /etc/rc.local in stretch? how can I autostart?
1506 [09:42:40] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: yeah, redirect output to file with > /path/to/destination
1507 [09:42:50] <Haohmaru> i don't want to scan the whole directory, because it contains a folder full of tiny files
1508 [09:43:32] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: it takes a list of files, so if you do sha256sum file1 file2 ... > /path/to/output/file
1509 [09:43:32] <Haohmaru> there are a bunch of big .zip files in the main folder - it's those i'm interested in
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1512 [09:44:28] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: e.g. *.zip or find . -size +1G or whatever
1513 [09:44:28] <Haohmaru> pragomer, if you happen to use lxde - it has a place where you can put autostart commands (configurable via the GUI)
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1516 [09:44:52] <rjsalts> pragomer: crontab and @reboot ...?
1517 [09:44:53] <Mahe> rjsalts, "systemctl enable rc.local" will enable a systemd service that parses the /etc/rc.local and executes it at startup like before ... however be warned that the execution time at bootup might differ from the original rc.local behavior so be careful about module dependencies and such
1518 [09:45:23] <Mahe> sry I meant to address pragomer
1519 [09:45:29] <pragomer> yes I know, I use xfce and there is a similar thing for autostart scripts. just wanted to know what is the analogue thing to rc.local after the switch to system.d
1520 [09:45:32] <rjsalts> no probs
1521 [09:45:48] <pragomer> but you are right. there are other solutions.
1522 [09:46:00] <pragomer> I think crontab seems pretty cool.
1523 [09:46:04] <pragomer> thank you both
1524 [09:46:33] <Haohmaru> so.. something like "sha256sum *.zip > result.txt" ?
1525 [09:46:47] <pragomer> does @reboot include also "boot", so no explicit REboot ?
1526 [09:46:48] <Lady_Aleena> And who's bright idea was it to remove flashplugin-nonfree from the package manager?
1527 [09:46:55] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: that will also work
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1529 [09:47:32] <Haohmaru> wow.. it's so fast o_O
1530 [09:47:39] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: nobody was looking after it
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1532 [09:47:56] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, so, it should still work, right?
1533 [09:48:00] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: so I think it got removed for having release critical bugs
1534 [09:48:34] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: the one from unstable doesn't manage to fetch the latest version of flash
1535 [09:48:39] <Lady_Aleena> rjsalts, figures, the one thing I need and no one cares about it but me and I don't know how to fix it.
1536 [09:49:05] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: there is a bug report against flashplugin-nonfree that gives workarounds
1537 [09:49:27] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: but I think the maintainer has lost interest in it
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1539 [09:49:53] <rjsalts> Lady_Aleena: or indeed debian in general since I think their debian email bounces
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1545 [09:53:14] <rjsalts> pragomer: man 5 crontab -> @reboot Run once, at startup.
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1547 [09:53:22] <Haohmaru> why is systemd evil?
1548 [09:53:30] <pragomer> thank you :-) :-)
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1550 [09:54:07] <jmcnaught> making a new service unit in /etc/systemd/system and enabling it is probably just as easy
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1552 [09:55:18] <rjsalts> Haohmaru: it's not, it's just new, opinionated and buggy in places. the maintainers of it at redhat are a bunch of arrogant jerks and frequently put people off when commenting on bug reports, etc.
1553 [09:55:38] <Haohmaru> oh
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1556 [09:57:08] <rjsalts> it solves some real problems in the older sysvinit, but people were mostly used to working around those bugs
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1562 [10:01:41] <Haohmaru> i've tried making a few things run as services and it was equally alien to me when i used the init.d and systemd ways
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1613 [10:28:59] <srandon111> hello all, i have a problem with my debian testing... but cannot login in #debian-next, can somebody here help me ?
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1615 [10:29:46] <petn-randall> srandon111: It's on another network, not on freenode.
1616 [10:29:50] <petn-randall> !debian-next
1617 [10:29:51] <dpkg> #debian-next is the channel for testing/unstable support on the OFTC network (irc.oftc.net), *not* on Freenode. If you get "Cannot join #debian-next (Channel is invite only)." it means you did not read it's on irc.oftc.net.
1618 [10:29:55] <klys> perhaps
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1622 [10:30:30] <srandon111> petn-randall: at the moment i can be only on freenode
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1624 [10:30:35] <srandon111> i'm in a university networks
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1627 [10:31:47] <petn-randall> srandon111: And they define which IRC network you can connect to? Interesting. You can also ask here, but you'll find a lower percentage of testing users, so it might take longer to get an answer. Feel free to ask though.
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1634 [10:34:51] <srandon111> petn-randall: basically they don't allow irc and i use a web client to freenode
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1636 [10:35:01] <srandon111> but i don't think there are other web clients to other netwoeks
1637 [10:35:04] <petn-randall> I see.
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1646 [10:39:07] <mr__tea> is it possible to remove the encryption of an encrypted lvm?
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1651 [10:41:55] <mr__tea> most likely just copy all data to a non encrypted lvm?
1652 [10:42:53] <petn-randall> mr__tea: Yes, backup, wipe the LUKS partition, put a new filesystem on it and restore.
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1658 [10:45:51] <mr__tea> yea petn-randall thanks for your input
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1717 [11:22:20] <hexhaxtron> Can someone help me get nginx to work with PHP? I've tried 3 or 4 webpages without success...
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1719 [11:22:54] <slax0r> are you conducting a poll on how many people can help you?
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1722 [11:24:01] <inrelease> Hi all, I'm trying to build a docker image that is based of debian, but I'm getting "Temporary failure resolving 'security.debian.org'" errors. I'm not sure how to debug this, does anyone have experience with that issue?
1723 [11:24:07] <inrelease> W: Failed to fetch replaced-url
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1731 [11:27:10] <petn-randall> hexhaxtron: It is custom to ask your questions (with details) straight away, so someone who knows an answer can respond.
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1733 [11:27:30] <jelly> inrelease, fix your dns resolving, then, verify /etc/resolv.conf is valid in the container
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1750 [11:36:59] <NoCode> Hi, is it possible to easily install Debian on a Buffalo TeraStation TS5200?
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1752 [11:39:26] <hexhaxtron> petn-randall: this is /etc/nginx/sites-available/default
1753 [11:39:37] <hexhaxtron> replaced-url
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1755 [11:40:03] <hexhaxtron> petn-randall: this is /etc/nginx/nginx.conf
1756 [11:40:10] <hexhaxtron> replaced-url
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1758 [11:40:40] <hexhaxtron> petn-randall: php7.0-fpm is working as shown with:
1759 [11:40:41] <hexhaxtron> # cgi-fcgi -bind -connect /run/php/php7.0-fpm.sock
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1761 [11:40:42] <hexhaxtron> Content-type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
1762 [11:41:00] <hexhaxtron> However it doesn't load PHP files. It asks me to open/save it...
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1764 [11:42:09] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
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1767 [11:43:11] <maxxe> morning? it's an international channel. :)
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1770 [11:45:48] <petn-randall> .ugt
1771 [11:46:20] <petn-randall> Wait, this isn't #debian-offtopic. Just imagine "universal greeting time" everywhere.
1772 [11:46:22] <inrelease> jelly: it looks like the resolv.conf has nameserver 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 set, maybe those are blocked by my jobs ict department
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1781 [11:49:00] <BluesKaj> doesn't bother me if it's afternoon , evening ot morning, a greeting is a greeting period.
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1789 [11:52:41] <inch> How do I preseed "yes I want to install without /boot partition"
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1794 [11:55:11] <inrelease> jelly: I've been able to verify that googles nameservers are blocked here, thanks for your help
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1799 [11:58:19] <BluesKaj> inrelease, what about opendns ?
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1802 [11:59:25] <inch> seems to be: d-i partman-auto-lvm/no_boot boolean true
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1814 [12:01:09] <inrelease> BluesKaj: I'm not sure. Docker build automatically sets 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4, and those don't work. I'll just set my local dns in the /etc/docker/daemon.json file, which will hopefully solve it
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1817 [12:03:18] <bezaban> ,v apt-gentoo
1818 [12:03:19] <judd> No package named 'apt-gentoo' was found in amd64.
1819 [12:03:47] <BluesKaj> inrelease, dunno about docker, but if you're on systemd , then you can set the nameservers in /etc/systemd/resolved.conf
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1836 [12:13:35] <inrelease> BluesKaj: I've set the nameserver in the docker config, and the host system has no problems with the internet, so I'm asking in #docker now since I believe its a docker related problem
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1846 [12:16:08] <BluesKaj> inrelease, well.good luck
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1856 [12:25:33] <shtrb> Good morning , why is docker shipped in debian if it's not free software (it's EULA) ?
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1862 [12:30:20] <caraconan> Hi there. What's the easiest way to install latest version of PHP 5.5 in a Debian 9? I needed it as a requirement of Magento CE 1.9.x. Many thanks
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1865 [12:31:18] <bezaban> shtrb: free as in freedom. docker is apache2 licensed and as far as I can tell compatible with DFSG. What part of the the eula are you thinking of specifically?
1866 [12:31:18] <caraconan> I would like avoid having to compile from source if possible
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1868 [12:33:15] <bezaban> ,v php
1869 [12:33:16] <judd> Package: php on amd64 -- stretch: 1:7.0+49; buster: 1:7.0+52; sid: 1:7.0+52
1870 [12:33:26] <bezaban> ,v php5
1871 [12:33:27] <judd> Package: php5 on amd64 -- wheezy: 5.4.45-0+deb7u2; wheezy-security: 5.4.45-0+deb7u8; jessie: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1; jessie-security: 5.6.30+dfsg-0+deb8u1
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1873 [12:33:49] <caraconan> judd: I need PHP 5.5, this particular version
1874 [12:33:50] <judd> No package named 'need' was found in stretch/amd64.
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1876 [12:34:22] <caraconan> I guess Judd is a boot... :)
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1878 [12:34:36] <bezaban> it's a bot :), just checking what is in. Are you sure you don't need 'at least' 5.5?
1879 [12:34:45] <caraconan> ,v php5.5
1880 [12:34:46] <judd> No package named 'php5.5' was found in amd64.
1881 [12:34:50] <klys> caraconan, get your php5 packages here replaced-url
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1884 [12:35:13] <caraconan> klys: thanks, I will have a look
1885 [12:35:14] <^Hex008> Judd is a bot?
1886 [12:35:32] <simbalion> Hi, every time I log into my system, certain apps will say "unlock login keyring" when they're opened. This is a huge pain because the dialog box hijacks the keyboard so I can't CTRL-ALT-A and have keepass enter the password, which is dumb in it's own right, but I'm wondering if there's a way to fix this? The keyring should be unlocked when I log in, right?
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1890 [12:37:16] <optimus> ^Hex008: check by yourself - /whois judd
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1894 [12:38:33] <gattler> Hi all, how can I reserve a portion of memory for the root user? I have a multi-user system and recently even root could not login because a user consomed all the memory
1895 [12:38:52] <caraconan> klys: as expected "dpkg -i" reports unresolved dependencies. Should I better donwload .deb packages from same repository and get them installed through "dpk -i" or should I first try installing them as "apt-get install"?
1896 [12:38:52] <gattler> I'd like to make sure that root always can ssh into the server
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1898 [12:39:20] <caraconan> I suppose that with "apt-get" it will attempt to install too much new versions of those packages
1899 [12:39:30] <klys> caraconan, keep fetching stuff until it's satisfied
1900 [12:39:41] <caraconan> klys: many thanks
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1907 [12:42:32] <klys> gattler, search linux kernel Documentation for user quotas
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1920 [12:49:05] <^Hex008> access
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1927 [12:51:51] <hellyeah> hey
1928 [12:52:16] <hellyeah> how can i check my os using openjdk or oracle jdk? Is there any command for understanding this?
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1932 [12:53:03] <klys> /whether your os is/
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1935 [12:53:36] <klys> dpkg -l | grep jdk
1936 [12:53:36] <dpkg> No packages found matching | grep jdk
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1941 [12:54:27] <hellyeah> oh it uses openjdk
1942 [12:54:33] <hellyeah> i want to use oracle jdk
1943 [12:54:48] <^Hex008> java -verion
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1945 [12:55:30] <hellyeah> openjdk 7u131
1946 [12:55:39] <hellyeah> i will use kotlin so i need 1.8
1947 [12:56:02] <hellyeah> hmm how can i tell os to use oracle jdk instead of openjdk
1948 [12:56:10] <hellyeah> should i remove openjdk from system?
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1950 [12:56:41] <^Hex008> download oracle jdk from replaced-url
1951 [12:57:06] <hellyeah> already downloaded it and extracted it
1952 [12:57:14] <^Hex008> then，set $PATH
1953 [12:57:35] <^Hex008> vi ~/.profile
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1958 [12:58:44] <hellyeah> set $PATH /home/spinningcat/jdk1.8.0_131/bin/java ?
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1969 [13:02:22] <^Hex008> JAVA_HOME=/usr/local/java/jdk1.8.0_131
1970 [13:02:26] <simbalion> nvm I think a web search solved my question
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1972 [13:02:56] <^Hex008> export JAVA_HOME
1973 [13:03:00] <^Hex008> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:$JAVA_HOME/bin
1974 [13:03:40] <hellyeah> no java in local
1975 [13:04:00] <hellyeah> damn
1976 [13:04:06] <hellyeah> anyway i will handle it
1977 [13:04:09] <hellyeah> i have an idea
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1980 [13:05:41] <hellyeah> nothin changed
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1992 [13:09:33] <^Hex008> after add this in "~/.profile",you must run "source ~/.profile"
1993 [13:10:20] <hellyeah> run it
1994 [13:10:25] <hellyeah> let me see
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1996 [13:11:55] <FinalX> question, do backports get security updates? like nginx-full in stretch' backports? don't see the CVE patched in the changelog (yet)
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2002 [13:14:04] <jelly> FinalX, it can take weeks-months for an update and really depends on the backporter
2003 [13:14:28] <jelly> there's no promise of timely security fixes. Best ask on the backports mailing list.
2004 [13:14:58] <FinalX> check, thought so
2005 [13:15:01] <FinalX> thanks
2006 [13:15:12] <ahmed751995> excuse me, when i try to remove kopete i got the following output replaced-url
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2008 [13:16:07] <jelly> ahmed751995, avoid removing it, or build a fake kopete package using
2009 [13:16:10] <jelly> !equivs
2010 [13:16:10] <dpkg> equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell <apt> you really have installed (through some other means) the package. aptitude install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, see also <usrlocal>. A better plan is often to adapt the Debian packages to your needs, ask me about <package recompile> <uupdate> <ssb>.
2011 [13:16:29] <jelly> ahmed751995, then install that one over the actual software
2012 [13:16:56] <jelly> also,
2013 [13:16:57] <jelly> !hold
2014 [13:16:58] <dpkg> hold is a status flag that tells the package manager to not automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package 'echo $package hold|dpkg --set-selections' or 'aptitude hold $package'. Note that "aptitude hold" is ignored by other package managers (i.e. Update Manager, synaptic, apt-get) and aptitude won't necessarily use holds set with dpkg; see Debian bug #137771 (fixed in stretch). See also <hold list>, <unhold>.
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2016 [13:17:25] <jelly> hold the fake package so updates to original kopete don't reinstall it
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2021 [13:18:21] <shtrb> bezaban , you are not allowed to modify it .. .
2022 [13:18:30] <ahmed751995> jelly: thanks a lot
2023 [13:18:48] <shtrb> apache my #%@
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2028 [13:22:00] <shtrb> bezaban , replaced-url
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2031 [13:23:19] <shtrb> "shall not, and shall not encourage any third party to: (a) modify, adapt, alter, translate, or create derivative works of the Software" does not look free (or open) software for me
2032 [13:24:02] <tuH> Hi! I've been running linux through a vm for a while, just to get a bit familiar, and now I think it is time to truly migrate. I was however wondering is there a way to functionally and safely use snapshots when running debian natively? When using the vm, I made a snapshot whenever I got the system running stable and working, and whenever I borked it up I could just load the snap. I'd love that!
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2037 [13:25:34] <Haohmaru> shtrb, it seems there are at least two flavours of this, in terms of licensing
2038 [13:25:48] <Haohmaru> and i think that quote applies only to one of them
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2043 [13:26:37] <shtrb> it's a different section
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2048 [13:28:04] <inch> tuH: I guess you can do that with lvm snapshots. Perhaps you need another linux installation on the machine where you can restore snapshots of the other.
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2121 [14:17:06] <simpledat> hi what is the lighest debian version?
2122 [14:17:12] <simpledat> with desktop
2123 [14:17:32] <JPT> Probably one with xfce as a desktop. At least that's what i would go for.
2124 [14:17:54] <simpledat> JPT where do i find it?
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2126 [14:18:00] <simpledat> 32 bit with xfce
2127 [14:18:08] <Haohmaru> lxde is also supposedly light
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2130 [14:19:32] <waszabi> debian+openbox+tint2 for one who wants to play around debian+xfce4 works out of the box no playing needed
2131 [14:19:52] <JPT> I would just download a 32bit installer image and install whatever small desktop i wanted myself? Or are there prepared images that will automatically throw KDE, Gnome, LXDE, ... on a machine?
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2133 [14:20:37] <Haohmaru> the live desktop images seem to do so
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2136 [14:21:25] <hirow> ls
2137 [14:21:30] <JPT> simpledat: So if they also contain an installer, these are the ones you're looking for: replaced-url
2138 [14:22:11] <JPT> (Non-torrent links here: replaced-url
2139 [14:22:45] <Haohmaru> that's still the same link
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2141 [14:22:54] <JPT> Sorry, i messed up.
2142 [14:23:12] <JPT> replaced-url
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2144 [14:23:48] <fourhundred> hello, does anybody understand why package openjdk-8-jdk-headless depends on:
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2146 [14:23:51] <fourhundred> x11-common
2147 [14:23:51] <fourhundred> fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu-core
2148 [14:23:51] <fourhundred> libavahi-client3 libavahi-common-data libavahi-common3 libcups2 libfontconfig1 libfreetype6
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2152 [14:26:14] <JPT> fourhundred: openjdk-8-jdk-headless depends on openjdk-8-jre-headless. openjdk-8-jre-headless depends on some libraries and fonts that will probably boil down to x11-common
2153 [14:26:17] <JPT> replaced-url
2154 [14:27:04] <fourhundred> JPT, yes, but why ?
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2156 [14:27:12] <fourhundred> headless is supposed to be for server
2157 [14:27:21] <fourhundred> what do fonts have to do on a server
2158 [14:28:07] <JPT> Well, the jre provides means to paint graphics, so getting some supported fonts cannot hurt.
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2161 [14:28:31] <JPT> Painting graphics does not imply displaying them, you could perhaps run some server component that creates and annotates thumbnails.
2162 [14:28:42] <JPT> So fonts come with it.
2163 [14:28:52] <Haohmaru> you may wonder what does the innocent butterfly have to do with the earthquake in japan
2164 [14:29:07] <JPT> The butterfly is not innocent.
2165 [14:29:24] <Haohmaru> we must punish it
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2169 [14:29:56] <fourhundred> JPT, ok, but there is no logical explanation why it should depend on x11-common
2170 [14:30:03] <JPT> fourhundred: I guess the short answer is: Java has a huge standard library with a lot of tools that are supposed to work out of the box. Therefore, we cannot run without any other dependencies.
2171 [14:30:43] <JPT> openjdk-8-jre-headless also depends on libxtst6 which in turn brings in x11-common
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2175 [14:31:36] <JPT> "libXtst provides an X Window System client interface to the Record extension to the X protocol. The Record extension allows X clients to synthesise input events, which is useful for automated testing."
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2178 [14:32:21] <JPT> Well i guess you can argue that that could have been left out. But perhaps it makes sense when wanting to run some enterprise app on a remote machine with X-forwarding?
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2180 [14:32:52] <JPT> Also, x11-common does not seem to be as bad: "x11-common contains the filesystem infrastructure required for further installation of the X Window System in any configuration; it does not provide a full installation of clients, servers, libraries, and utilities required to run the X Window System. "
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2183 [14:33:28] <JPT> So it's basically a bunch of mostly empty folders plus one or two files that won't matter too much
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2272 [15:28:17] <FinalX> wish I had know about the /<release> option to apt-get install <package>, like "apt-get install nginx/jessie". would've saved me a lot of headaches in the past :P that was an easy way to downgrade from backports back to (old)stable..
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2280 [15:32:23] <vkolchev> FinalX, how exactly does it work? doesn't seem to work when I try to install lib from wheezy
2281 [15:32:34] <vkolchev> FinalX, need libssl1.0.0
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2285 [15:33:14] <FinalX> vkolchev: you'll need to have the sources in your sources.list I guess. but you could use /oldstable for jessie, /stable for stretch, I'm using it mainly for jessie, jessie-backports etc.
2286 [15:33:56] <FinalX> in this case, I had nginx, nginx-common and nginx-extras installed from jessie-backports. but due to no security patch for backports, I had to downgrade to normal jessie. so "apt-get install nginx/jessie nginx-common/jessie nginx-extras/jessie" worked fine for that
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2289 [15:34:10] <vkolchev> FinalX, ah, okay, I thought that somehow there is a 1-time change by using /wheezy
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2295 [15:38:51] <jessequinn> quick question. I was compiling VASP on debian and i receive several "ld" errors. For instance when i use "ld -lscalapack-openmpi --verbose" i receive a message cannot find -lscalapack-openmpi. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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2298 [15:40:21] <apollo13> well, where from is that library supposed to come from?
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2305 [15:41:07] <apollo13> did you install replaced-url
2306 [15:41:24] <apollo13> (or does debian provide a package for it?)
2307 [15:42:09] <jessequinn> apollo13, i used the apt-get libscalapack-openmpi1
2308 [15:42:26] <jessequinn> debian provided pkg
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2311 [15:45:56] <jessequinn> nvm, i got it, just sym linked.
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2313 [15:46:44] <apollo13> jessequinn: there should be a dev package which provides the symlinks
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2316 [15:47:16] <apollo13> jessequinn: namely libscalapack-mpi-dev
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2318 [15:47:21] <jessequinn> ok let me try that
2319 [15:47:45] <apollo13> replaced-url
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2334 [15:54:14] <meyr> Hi, a question about systemd-networkd/udev: I tried to rename a network device based on its MacAddress from enp5s8 to eth0 in 01-eth0.link, but it simply does not work. According to udevadm info ID_NET_LINK_FILE=/etc/systemd/network/01-eth0.link is used, but rename does not take place
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2337 [15:55:02] <meyr> is there a global switch that changed/needs to be set in stretch?
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2339 [15:55:55] <gnat_x> ever since i upgraded from jessie to stretch i have been having issues with my x session crashing for no discernable reason. i use xfce and slim. there doesn't seem to be any indication of what's going in the logs (unless i'm looking in the wrong place). any thoughts on what to look for?
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2342 [15:57:03] <Brigo> meyr, replaced-url
2343 [15:57:29] <Brigo> gnat_x, check /var/log/Xorg.0.log
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2346 [15:57:58] <mr__tea> someone here who knows a valid free alternative for skype to call fixed land lines?
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2354 [16:01:34] <BluesKaj> mr__tea, check out sipwitch
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2357 [16:02:39] <meyr> Brigo, been there, did that, but to no success. btw.: systemd-networkd enabled, entry removed from /etc/network/interfaces, NetworkManager disabled ...
2358 [16:02:42] <mr__tea> BluesKaj: ill have a look thanks
2359 [16:02:42] <simpledat> bash: ifconfig: command not found
2360 [16:02:43] <simpledat> why?
2361 [16:02:52] <greycat> Because.
2362 [16:03:13] <greycat> net-tools has been deprecated for like 15 years and now they've finally made it optional
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2367 [16:05:13] <simpledat> so ifconfig is not installed b default in debian 9, as it was on debian 8?
2368 [16:05:20] <greycat> correct
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2371 [16:05:27] <simpledat> why not?
2372 [16:05:32] <greycat> net-tools has been deprecated for like 15 years and now they've finally made it optional.
2373 [16:06:11] <BluesKaj> simpledat, run ip a
2374 [16:06:13] <greycat> replaced-url
2375 [16:06:47] <simpledat> BluesKaj: Thx
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2377 [16:08:06] <greycat> dpkg, net-tools is <reply>The net-tools package (including ifconfig, netstat and route commands) is optional in stretch. Users are encouraged to use the iproute2 command set (ip, ss) instead.
2378 [16:08:06] <dpkg> okay, greycat
2379 [16:08:50] <simpledat> so why did they remove ifconfig as default installed?
2380 [16:09:13] <greycat> "ip a" or "ip addr" to see addresses. "ip link" to see just the MAC stuff. "ip route" to replace route. "ss" replaced netstat.
2381 [16:09:16] <abrotman> because it's been deprecated for 10+ years
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2384 [16:10:03] <abrotman> (meaning you were supposed to stop using it 10 years ago)
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2386 [16:10:31] <BluesKaj> heh , i used it up until last yr
2387 [16:10:43] <simpledat> what command represent the "ifconfig"?
2388 [16:10:50] <greycat> "ip a" or "ip addr" to see addresses. "ip link" to see just the MAC stuff. "ip route" to replace route. "ss" replaces netstat.
2389 [16:10:52] <abrotman> you were already told
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2392 [16:11:14] <simpledat> thank you greycat
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2394 [16:12:04] <Iridos> what, you're not supposed to use ifconfig? hell.
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2396 [16:12:27] <Haohmaru> yes, you're all going to jail now
2397 [16:12:52] <simpledat> greycat: What about RX and TX packets and bytes?
2398 [16:13:13] <Iridos> worse… I find the output of the other stuff horrible
2399 [16:13:28] <greycat> ip -s a
2400 [16:14:14] <simpledat> greycat: thank you
2401 [16:15:02] <shtrb> simpledat , net-tools and that's it
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2406 [16:17:20] <pclov3r> i still use ifconfig just to display information and such but actual routing and stuff i use ip
2407 [16:17:24] <shtrb> The person who thought that not having net-tools in default install is a good idea, should be eating what I cook (I'm that bad as a cook )
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2414 [16:19:21] <pclov3r> is mlocate deprecated too?
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2416 [16:20:12] <Devastator> can someone help me with an LVM warning? I'm getting this message: "Device <device> has size of <sector> sectors which is smaller than corresponding PV size of <sector> sectors. Was device resized?" from this commit replaced-url
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2420 [16:21:35] <petn-randall> Devastator: Well, did you resize it?
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2422 [16:22:02] <petn-randall> Devastator: It's a good idea to also tell what happened/what you did that lead up to the situation.
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2426 [16:23:14] <Devastator> petn-randall I didn't, but I was using jessie before and this commit is rather recent and as I moved to stretch yesterday (thanks to your help) I guess it is showing it now
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2431 [16:24:51] <F438> hi. i want to install the debian-parl blend as described in the debian wiki (preseeding). however when i try to access the preseeding website of debianparl (e.g. replaced-url
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2433 [16:25:22] <pclov3r> I also have a question about a package that existed in Jessie but seems to have been dropped in stretch. It was a transitional package but never really found the replacement. Non the less i found a solution to my problem but curious what happened. In this case a package called mingw32
2434 [16:25:26] <petn-randall> Devastator: You can probably fix it with pvresize, is <device> like /dev/sda5 or like /dev/mapper/default-vg-home?
2435 [16:25:44] <Devastator> petn-randall like exactly /dev/sda5
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2437 [16:26:28] <nkuttler> pclov3r: transitional to what?
2438 [16:26:39] <pclov3r> that's the question unsure
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2440 [16:26:43] <gnat_x> Brigo: there's nothing having to do with t a crash in there.
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2442 [16:26:50] <greycat> ,v mingw32
2443 [16:26:52] <judd> Package: mingw32 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.2.1.dfsg-2; jessie: 4.9.1-19+14.3
2444 [16:27:12] <gnat_x> it is possible i ran out of memory, so i'm wondering if the oom killer logs what it kills anywhere?
2445 [16:27:17] <nkuttler> pclov3r: replaced-url
2446 [16:27:31] <nkuttler> gnat_x: should be in /var/log/messages iirc
2447 [16:27:32] <petn-randall> Devastator: Then you could fix it with pvresize, I think.
2448 [16:27:42] <gnat_x> (cause at the same time my x session crashed one of my VMs did to).
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2451 [16:28:07] <Devastator> petn-randall do you have a pseudo command or do you want me to search it?
2452 [16:28:11] <greycat> ,v gcc-mingw-w64-i686
2453 [16:28:12] <judd> Package: gcc-mingw-w64-i686 on amd64 -- wheezy: 4.6.3-14+8; jessie: 4.9.1-19+14.3; buster: 6.3.0-18+19.3+b3; stretch: 6.3.0-18+19.3+b3; sid: 6.3.0-18+19.3+b3
2454 [16:28:54] <Devastator> petn-randall also, how can I get that message? I don't see it in /var/log/messages or kern.log
2455 [16:29:10] <pclov3r> the interesting part tho and were my problem comes from is for the comments in there "allows building software using the old amd64-mingw32msvc and i586-mingw32msvc triplets." that doesn't exist in the newer packages.
2456 [16:29:34] <petn-randall> Devastator: probably just 'pvresize /dev/sda5', but the man page says it only enlarges, so you might have to shrink it first. As always, be safe and make backups of data first.
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2459 [16:29:51] <gattler> Hi all, does anyone know if it is possible to alter the load address of a static binary? assuming it was built with PIE
2460 [16:30:21] <petn-randall> gattler: What are you trying to achieve?
2461 [16:30:22] <greycat> gattler: sounds more like a ##c question
2462 [16:31:02] <gattler> petn-randall: I want to run the same binary two times, but It should run from different addresses each time
2463 [16:31:08] <greycat> Why?
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2465 [16:31:45] <pclov3r> it provided /usr/bin/i586-mingw32msvc-gcc and the new packages don't It's more of me being curious since the newer packages do work for me.
2466 [16:31:59] <gattler> it's for an university assignemnt, the students should not be able to share their results
2467 [16:32:01] <gattler> that
2468 [16:32:06] <pclov3r> but /usr/bin/i586-mingw32msvc-gcc does not exist at all for stretch doing a package file search
2469 [16:32:06] <greycat> *sigh*
2470 [16:32:38] <tx> lol
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2472 [16:32:57] <shtrb> gattler , there is no grantee for that
2473 [16:33:04] <gattler> shtrb: for what?
2474 [16:33:21] <shtrb> gattler , students should be allowed to share results , such TA should be kicked out from any facility
2475 [16:33:29] <shtrb> gattler , the address space
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2477 [16:34:14] <gattler> well, they sure can share their results, but I somehow have to make sure that each student actually works on his assignment
2478 [16:34:15] <shtrb> share as in give each other findings
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2480 [16:34:30] <petn-randall> gattler: fair point.
2481 [16:34:54] <petn-randall> So the students need to actually understand the problem, they can't copy/paste it from each other.
2482 [16:34:55] <shtrb> gattler , oh , we had a propierty software that checked for who wrote what
2483 [16:34:58] <greycat> I do not understand how this utterly insane esoteric byte offset thing you are asking is related to running diff against each pair of student SOURCE files.
2484 [16:35:03] <gattler> petn-randall: that's the hope
2485 [16:35:15] <shtrb> Any student is allowed to build a library and link against it
2486 [16:35:19] <shtrb> *should be allowed
2487 [16:35:50] <gattler> greycat: ? what do you mean by student SOURCE?
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2490 [16:36:06] <shtrb> greycat , checking for plagiarism is good money
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2492 [16:37:00] <greycat> gattler: I mean the students are turning in source code, right? Not compiled object files.
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2494 [16:37:05] <shtrb> students should be able to copy code and share (the idea of acdemia is to reuse work )
2495 [16:37:07] <gattler> to add some background: The task is to perform a ROP attack on a network service. The binary is static so that there are for sure enough gadgets in the binary for the students to find. I just need some "poor-mans-aslr" :p
2496 [16:37:10] <gattler> no greycat
2497 [16:37:38] <greycat> OK, whatever the hell you just said, it's out of scope for #debian.
2498 [16:37:53] <gattler> i figured
2499 [16:37:59] <greycat> Try c as I said originally, or maybe workingset
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2501 [16:38:18] <shtrb> gattler , that invovle some compiler and , libc and kernel adjustments (maybe)
2502 [16:38:23] <boodie> Hi (jessie): I want to upgrade my debian box, from jessie to stretch. My plan is to get the opportunity to also upgrade the hardware and basically purchase a new desktop. I would rather install Stretch on the new machine from scratch, rather than moving jessie and then upgrading. I have many questions, but I'll start with this one: what is the best way to rebuild the packages I have installed on this desktop, onto a new one
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2506 [16:39:26] <Mindow> Hi, i have a Dualmonitor setup, how do i define on which monitor a app open its window, ( each screen has its own panel, but all apps keep opening on a single monitor)
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2512 [16:41:06] <petn-randall> boodie: There's a factoid to do it, I forgot the name, though :/
2513 [16:41:43] <greycat> boodie: dpkg --get-selections and --set-selections
2514 [16:42:09] <greycat> Obviously that won't transfer locally modified config files.
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2527 [16:46:07] <gnat_x> boodie: dpkg --get-selections |grep install |awk '{print $1}'
2528 [16:46:32] <greycat> Why would you filter it like that?
2529 [16:46:32] <gnat_x> that will get you a list of installed package names, which you could redirect into a file to transfer to the new machine.
2530 [16:47:03] <greycat> just do dpkg --get-selections > pkglist, transfer that, then dpkg --set-selections < pkglist on the remote
2531 [16:47:17] <gnat_x> hrm. didn't know that would work.
2532 [16:47:32] <greycat> !debian clone
2533 [16:47:33] <dpkg> One method of cloning Debian installs is to take a current Debian machine that is set up with the packages you want and run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ~/selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". Also ask me about <aptitude clone>, <reinstall>, <things to backup> <apt-clone>.
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2535 [16:47:56] <pclov3r> well, the other issue is how do you verify such packages exist on a new debian version
2536 [16:48:12] <greycat> You can't safely do that across releases.
2537 [16:48:14] <FinalX> heh, we wrote a script for that
2538 [16:48:28] <FinalX> to check if the installed packages have a counterpart in the next release
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2540 [16:48:33] <FinalX> and it lists those that don't
2541 [16:48:57] <boodie> See if I understood: dpkg --get-selections <filename> will create a file with my currently installed packages, while dpkg --set-selections <filename> should be used to reconstruct the package set, correct?
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2543 [16:49:26] <greycat> not <filename>. Output redirection.
2544 [16:49:31] <greycat> foo > file
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2550 [16:51:07] <F438> hi. i want to install the debian-parl blend as described in the debian wiki (preseeding). however when i try to access the preseeding website of debianparl (e.g. replaced-url
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2553 [16:52:10] <petn-randall> F438: To me it looks like a configuration error, the site isn't meant to be accessed via https.
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2555 [16:53:07] <F438> petn-randall: usually not, yes, but in this case it is needed because one needs to manually download the preseed.cfg's onto a usb thumb for debian parl
2556 [16:53:17] <greycat> So use http.
2557 [16:54:02] <greycat> replaced-url
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2559 [16:55:23] <boodie> Ok, understood
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2561 [16:55:57] <F438> greycat: thanks, will probably do that
2562 [16:55:58] <boodie> !aptitiude clone
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2564 [16:56:08] <petn-randall> F438: Download the file once and inspect it. Just don't put it in your CI to download on every build.
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2566 [16:56:15] <greycat> typo, boodie
2567 [16:56:21] <boodie> !aptitude clone
2568 [16:56:21] <dpkg> To clone a Debian machine using aptitude (or install your favourite packages) use aptitude search --disable-columns -F%p '~i!~M!~v' > package_list; on the reference machine; xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < package_list; aptitude install; on the other machine. This preserves information about "automatically installed" packages that other methods do not. See also <reinstall>, <things to backup>, <debian clone>, <apt-clone>.
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2572 [16:57:17] <petn-randall> Ah nice, that's the factoid I was looking for. Thanks boodie!
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2575 [16:58:13] <shtrb> dpkg tell shtrb about debian running in docker under windows 10
2576 [16:58:17] <boodie> !reinstall
2577 [16:58:17] <dpkg> i guess reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>, <debian clone>.
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2579 [16:58:57] <shtrb> is there a factoid list for dpkg ?
2580 [16:58:57] <boodie> !things to backup
2581 [16:58:57] <dpkg> Some things you should back up include: /etc /home /root /usr/local /usr/src /opt /srv. Tailor to your own purposes. If you think you don't need /var, make sure you don't forget /var/lib/dpkg /var/backups /var/lib/apt* /var/lib/mysql /var/mail /var/replaced-url
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2584 [17:00:02] <shtrb> found it , thanks
2585 [17:00:16] <boodie> !apt-clone
2586 [17:00:16] <dpkg> i guess apt-clone is a utility to clone/restore the packages on an apt-based system. It will save/restore the packages, sources.list, keyring and automatic-installed states. It can also save/restore no longer downloadable packages using <dpkg-repack>.
2587 [17:00:22] <greycat> PLease /msg the bot.
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2605 [17:08:43] <boodie> I want to upgrade my debian box, from jessie to stretch. My plan is to get the opportunity to also upgrade the hardware and basically purchase a new desktop. I would rather install Stretch on the new machine from scratch, rather than moving jessie and then upgrading. Any suggested hardware, or is there a site where I can find hardware that would be Stretch "compatible" ? I know, it's a big question, but to put it simply, fi
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2607 [17:09:25] <greycat> Too many words. I thought you wanted the package list because you were cloning the current jessie onto the new box.
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2609 [17:09:54] <raynold> ahh it's a wonderful day
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2616 [17:10:45] <DammitJim> not sure why this is confusing me, but I have a cron job that is set for: */09 * * * * job.sh
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2618 [17:11:04] <DammitJim> */09 means it will run every 9 minutes?
2619 [17:11:14] <hanshenrik> i found several live CDs with some desktop pre-installed, but where can i find a pure CLI live debian iso?
2620 [17:11:18] <DammitJim> not sure why this person put the 0 before the 9
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2623 [17:11:34] <hanshenrik> like, logically, it would be here replaced-url
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2625 [17:11:39] <hanshenrik> but i can't see any
2626 [17:11:57] <kchr> DammitJim: yes, although the leading zero does nothing
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2628 [17:12:14] <DammitJim> thanks kchr
2629 [17:12:22] <DammitJim> is there a way to check that the cron job completed?
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2631 [17:12:29] <DammitJim> I am waiting for a job to finish to reboot the server
2632 [17:12:30] <luisoliv> guys, why the offical debian .iso images arent bootable as liveDBVD like other distros?
2633 [17:12:35] <boodie> OK sorry. My question is : are there any "new" processors & motherboards known to work with debian stretch?
2634 [17:12:47] <hanshenrik> luisoliv, you're just downloading the wrong iso images - check replaced-url
2635 [17:12:53] <kchr> personally i use leading zeroes for specific hours and minutes
2636 [17:12:53] <kchr> and single integers for "fractions"
2637 [17:12:53] <kchr> makes it a bit easier to read
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2639 [17:13:05] <kchr> maybe recurrances is a better word for the slash (/) notation
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2641 [17:13:32] <hanshenrik> luisoliv, not sure why the debian front page, or the page you get when you google "download debian" - doesn't advertise the live images, tho
2642 [17:13:54] <kchr> DammitJim: usually you see a log entry in syslog that the job ran as a given user
2643 [17:13:54] <kchr> but no other output unless the job had output
2644 [17:13:55] <abrotman> because they aren't official (last I knew)
2645 [17:14:25] <DammitJim> kchr, I'm assuming ran means it finished
2646 [17:14:29] <DammitJim> vs that it started?
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2654 [17:16:57] <kchr> DammitJim: i'm actually not sure if the log entry is for job starting, started or finished :-)
2655 [17:16:57] <kchr> good question!
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2659 [17:17:57] <kchr> DammitJim: according to cron(8) you can set the log level with a command line arg
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2662 [17:18:10] <kchr> and the log level decides whether to log start, end and/or failed
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2664 [17:18:58] <kchr> (i'm using cron 3.0pl1-128+b1)
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2666 [17:19:19] <greycat> hanshenrik: the live images are still broken when used for installations
2667 [17:19:21] <r00tobo> Hi guys
2668 [17:19:31] <hanshenrik> greycat, "still" ?
2669 [17:19:32] <r00tobo> anyone here is using Debian testing/buster?
2670 [17:19:46] <greycat> Yes, still. As in continuing from the past into the present.
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2672 [17:19:57] <DammitJim> thanks kchr
2673 [17:19:59] <kchr> the default seems to be level 1 (log start of all jobs)
2674 [17:20:01] <hanshenrik> r00tobo, i suspect you'll find a bunch of them over at oftc.org/#debian-next
2675 [17:20:14] <hanshenrik> greycat, and when was it broken
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2677 [17:20:15] <hanshenrik> ?
2678 [17:20:16] <r00tobo> oh thank you hanshenrik <3
2679 [17:20:37] <hanshenrik> maybe it was irc.oftc.org , i dont remember, but if you google it, should be easy to figure out
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2682 [17:20:58] <greycat> hanshenrik: the jessie images were ALWAYS broken (cannot handle UEFI), and the new stretch images that fixed the UEFI problems had OTHER problems, some of which (but not all of which) were fixed in the 9.0.1 image set
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2685 [17:21:35] <greycat> live 9.0.1 still fails to set the root password, requiring you to boot from rescue media or other means to fix that
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2688 [17:22:04] <hanshenrik> greycat, this is all exclusive to UEFI boots, right?
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2691 [17:22:14] <greycat> DID I NOT TYPE ENOUGH WORDS FOR YOU YET
2692 [17:22:15] <greycat> JESUS
2693 [17:22:21] <greycat> THey DON'T WORK
2694 [17:22:43] <hanshenrik> i've never had a problem with them, but then again, i always disable uefi
2695 [17:22:58] <greycat> And you never had to su.
2696 [17:23:06] <greycat> Somehow.
2697 [17:23:07] <hanshenrik> well, i do `sudo -s`
2698 [17:23:15] <hanshenrik> close enough
2699 [17:23:18] <kchr> :D
2700 [17:23:36] <greycat> Did you also leave the root password empty during install?
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2702 [17:24:00] <hanshenrik> doubt it
2703 [17:24:21] <greycat> Then you must not have ever used the 9.x ones.
2704 [17:24:23] <Walakea> i have read quite a few forums about my Fn + <brightness keys> not working, however i noticed that when i added the 'acpi_osi= ' option i get new error messages when booting:
2705 [17:24:24] <Walakea> replaced-url
2706 [17:24:24] <Walakea> (ACPI Error: ....)
2707 [17:24:51] <hanshenrik> that may be true
2708 [17:25:17] <hanshenrik> probably never used a live image on 9.x
2709 [17:25:22] <boodie> OK, I'll retry, amongst processors, which brand is known to work better with Linux/Debian, Intel or AMD?
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2712 [17:26:13] <greycat> CPU doesn't matter. Graphics chipset and network chipset (esp. wireless) matter.
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2723 [17:31:06] <boodie> OK. This is a good startpoint. Graphic cards / brands recommended? It usually boils down to ATI / NVCIDIA afaik?
2724 [17:31:15] <boodie> ops, NVIDIA
2725 [17:31:32] <greycat> Built-in Intel works great if you aren't into gaming and other high graphics intensive stuff.
2726 [17:32:31] <FinalX> or don't use more than one display
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2729 [17:32:46] <FinalX> found my intel hd a bit lacking when i got two additional monitors :P
2730 [17:32:53] <greycat> fair
2731 [17:33:02] <Epakai> displayport chaining works great on intel
2732 [17:33:04] <colo-work> FinalX, eh? recent Intel IGP support three digital outputs in parallel
2733 [17:33:20] <FinalX> oh they support it, but back then not very happily
2734 [17:33:20] <colo-work> (since haswell, iirc)
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2736 [17:33:40] <colo-work> "back then" is pretty much irrelevant when someone is asking for a buying recommendation, don't you think? :)
2737 [17:33:43] <FinalX> but I now have Intel HD + dedicated AMD in my laptop
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2739 [17:33:56] <boodie> Ok, I'm not planning to use 2 monitors, and, as far as gaming is concerned, I don't think I'll go for the high graphics intensive.
2740 [17:33:57] <FinalX> also fair :P
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2742 [17:34:18] <kang0> Flipkart is open source fully?
2743 [17:34:26] <FinalX> single monitor on intel hd and I could also just play games like WoW and such just fine. so.
2744 [17:35:00] <FinalX> if you want to get a dedicated graphics card, I'd go with nvidia and not amd/ati
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2750 [17:35:18] <greycat> !start a gpu war
2751 [17:35:19] <dpkg> I found a 1828bit S3 card in a dumpster, it r0x0rz, man!
2752 [17:35:37] <boodie> OK, other relevant issues (for a desktop)? Network ethernet compatibility, wireless ... ?
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2754 [17:36:39] <greycat> If you go for an SSD, make sure Linux can support it; last I heard, the eMMC interface isn't supported yet.
2755 [17:36:49] <greycat> But the other interfaces were OK.
2756 [17:37:20] <boodie> I was in fact going for solid state disks ... any known issues?
2757 [17:37:38] <kang0> Ssd portable?
2758 [17:38:13] <FinalX> booting from nvme disks is usually also a pain .. not sure if that goes better nowadays
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2760 [17:38:38] <boodie> No I was planning to have two, to be able to dual boot with windows 10 (for games mainly) ...
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2762 [17:39:21] <meyr> Brigo: thx! Wrt. manual interface names: replaced-url
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2765 [17:39:58] <Brigo> meyr, good for you.
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2810 [18:02:35] <hanasaki> what is a free and works in debian content filter for http/https browser hits?
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2817 [18:03:49] <kchr> hanasaki: privoxy and polipo are two popular choices for http proxy with filter and cache support
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2819 [18:04:17] <hanasaki> kchr: I have used dansguardian before.. how does that compare? looks like its last update as 2012?
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2821 [18:04:44] <kchr> i think at least one of them even support adblock-style blocklists
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2823 [18:05:45] <kchr> polipo and privoxy does not scan http content afaik
2824 [18:05:48] <kchr> you can block on filetype and/or url
2825 [18:06:46] <kchr> but i haven't used dansguardian so don't know about any other comparisons
2826 [18:08:48] <abrotman> dans worked fined when I used it years ago
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2829 [18:09:18] <hanasaki> polipo is cache only
2830 [18:09:28] <hanasaki> privoxy and dans do content scanning
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2940 [18:54:25] <psiklops> Hi
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2943 [18:55:39] <psiklops> I have a "LC 15 VESA Monitor" with which i'd like to use the touchscreen features. Is this possible with Debian?
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2946 [18:56:30] <psiklops> OLC 15 VESA Monitor
2947 [18:56:39] <psiklops> sorry for the Typo
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2951 [18:57:57] <skinux> Chrome Task Manager has shown I'm using 1,355,000KB of RAM (if you add all the numbers before the commas then add 000 to the end) , am I right that I divide by 1024 twice to find GB usage?
2952 [18:58:27] <greycat> Yeah, basically 1.3 GB
2953 [18:58:55] <skinux> Hm. Well that shouldn't be causing any lagging as I've 4GB RAM
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2956 [18:59:35] <jmcnaught> skinux: if you have started to swap then that could cause slowdowns. What does "free -h" say?
2957 [19:00:24] <skinux> Hmm. Total memory of machine is using 79% RAM and 29% SWAP.
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2959 [19:01:17] <greycat> I don't know where these percents come from or what they mean.
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2968 [19:05:33] <skinux> 3.3G total, 2.4G used, 235M free, 187M shared, 709M cached, 481M available
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2972 [19:06:15] <kruug> There's your lag. you only have a quarter GB free
2973 [19:06:19] <skinux> Yeah
2974 [19:06:30] <greycat> ... no
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2977 [19:06:44] <skinux> Hmm. This is an HP 15, I wonder if I can add more RAM to it.
2978 [19:06:52] <greycat> First I'm trying to figure out whether that's stretch or jessie's free, because it doesn't 100% match either of them.
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2981 [19:07:29] <greycat> It's *closer* to stretch's...
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2983 [19:07:40] <jmcnaught> it also left out the swap…
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2985 [19:07:57] <greycat> And it matters tremendously, because the way the information is presented *changed* between them.
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2988 [19:08:52] <greycat> If we assume it's like stretch's, then he really has 3.3G - 2.4G = 0.9G of memory that can be used for anything, right now, as needed.
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2990 [19:10:04] <greycat> If it's jessie, then we can't interpret it at all, because he didn't include the second line that shows -/+ buffers/cache
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3007 [19:17:08] <Walakea> why is using xserver-xorg-video-intel in stretch discouraged for newer HW?
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3009 [19:17:33] <greycat> The kernel modesetting stuff is supposed to be better. *shrug*
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3012 [19:18:02] <stunder> why can't we get bash and fish drunk on a one night stand and make a baby?
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3014 [19:18:39] <greycat> New shells happen all the time.
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3018 [19:19:22] <Walakea> i am really getting frustrated with my fn keys problem
3019 [19:19:22] <greycat> The great thing about standards is there are so many to choose from.
3020 [19:19:40] <greycat> Walakea: if -intel fixes something, then go ahead and use it
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3023 [19:20:06] <kruug> oh...booo...I can't get colored numbers in /me
3024 [19:20:08] <Walakea> greycat: what do you mean?
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3026 [19:20:22] <greycat> I'm just assuming you had some reason to make these two statements.
3027 [19:20:30] <greycat> That they are related in some way.
3028 [19:20:44] <Walakea> i did not understand what your shortcut
3029 [19:20:54] <Walakea> -intel
3030 [19:21:00] <greycat> If they were NOT related, if you are just spewing random sentences, then ignore my conclusion.
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3032 [19:21:18] <Walakea> they are somewhat related
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3034 [19:21:38] <Walakea> i thought about randomly removing packages and seeing if it fixes problems
3035 [19:21:49] <Walakea> although it is not really display problem
3036 [19:22:05] <Walakea> they key are not registered by the system
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3038 [19:22:10] <Walakea> *the keys
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3040 [19:22:50] <Walakea> when i do acpi_listen, it reacts to all but Fn + F5 and Fn + F6
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3045 [19:23:37] <hanshenrik> wow. huge sparse files, when read by nginx, takes up all the space in your IO cache....
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3047 [19:23:49] <hanshenrik> how do i tell the IO cache to not cache sparse files?
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3049 [19:23:59] <hanshenrik> as that sounds like a huge waste of ram
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3052 [19:24:44] <hanshenrik> dd if=/dev/zero of=1tb.zip bs=1 count=0 seek=1000G
3053 [19:24:50] <hanshenrik> it was created like that
3054 [19:25:01] <greycat> Why are you trying to serve a 1 TB sparse file over HTTP?
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3057 [19:25:24] <hanshenrik> greycat, benchmarking transfer speeds from other servers
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3059 [19:25:54] <greycat> Not sure what you're griping about, then.
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3061 [19:26:14] <hanshenrik> greycat, what do you think this command is for? wget -O /dev/null replaced-url
3062 [19:26:37] <greycat> Why do you care about a cache being flushed when you are TESTING THIS CRAP
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3065 [19:27:51] <Walakea> can kernel options like acpi_osi or acpi_backlight affect whether the system registers those FN key events?
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3067 [19:28:09] <hanshenrik> 1: i might be testing the speed on a production server where wasting all the io cache on sparse zeroes might cause an undesirable performance hit for others. 2: because having the IO cache cache those zeroes is crazy anyway, it shouldn't be doing that in the first place
3068 [19:29:26] <greycat> Then go to your I-want-my-cake-and-eat-it-too channel and ask them how to set up a proper speed test that can be run on a production server and only impact N out of M things.
3069 [19:29:56] <hanshenrik> ey, my debian 9 system is doing something utterly crazy here, and im asking how to make debian stop doing that
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3072 [19:30:09] <s00x> hey
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3074 [19:30:21] * greycat waits for the other question, then.
3075 [19:30:23] <petn-randall> Walakea: Probably. But Linux identifies as some Windows version towards ACPI and tries to be bug-compatible to it.
3076 [19:30:25] <s00x> whatcan you recommend for desktop wallpaperslideshow?
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3079 [19:30:35] <hanshenrik> but i suspect its a kernel problem
3080 [19:30:38] <`Kevin> hanshenrik: this is application level specific code you are referencing you arent going to have an http make use of fadvise or etc unless you write it yourself
3081 [19:30:41] <petn-randall> Walakea: Simply for the reason that hardly any vendor tests their ACPI tables against other OSes.
3082 [19:30:49] <s00x> i gave a shotto 'shotwell', but maybe yougot anything better/more recommended
3083 [19:31:12] <`Kevin> httpd*
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3085 [19:31:14] <hanshenrik> `Kevin, fadvice or not, it shouldn't be cacheing sparse files
3086 [19:31:25] <greycat> Ask ##linux or #nginx
3087 [19:31:26] <hanshenrik> but yeah that would probably work
3088 [19:32:19] <hanshenrik> i bet a simple open() / read() call does the same, but ill test it
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3092 [19:33:19] <Walakea> ok so i will go ahead and try them, what are the possible years for acpi_osi=Windows $YEAR? so far i have seen 2009 and 2012
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3097 [19:36:27] <`Kevin> hanshenrik: there is a conversion that happens to represent the metadata as 0000s for example wrt sparse files, perhaps the kernel caches the conversion to prevent having to repeat it
3098 [19:36:32] <`Kevin> hanshenrik: offhand beyond that not sure
3099 [19:36:41] <petn-randall> Walakea: Have you tried googling your model + "linux"? That usually gives me someone's blog that fixed most issues that arise from installing Linux.
3100 [19:36:47] <`Kevin> as the application has to see the 000s not the sparse metadata
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3104 [19:37:53] <Walakea> petn-randall: i did and i spent long time doing it
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3106 [19:38:30] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: you could try using a temporary zram swap file while doing your benchmarks
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3108 [19:38:35] <hanshenrik> greycat, this little C script replicates the problem, so it has nothing to do with nginx replaced-url
3109 [19:38:37] <Walakea> mostly what i found are kernel options and then adding files such as 20-intel.conf into /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d
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3111 [19:39:01] <Walakea> i have not been trying them systematically tho
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3113 [19:39:19] <greycat> It's not a problem. I never SAID it was a problem. But you want a magic unicorn cake that can do 17 different things, and maybe someone in #nginx will know how to bake one of those.
3114 [19:40:32] <hanshenrik> greycat, 17 different things? i don't want the OS to cache gigabytes of sprase files, that's it
3115 [19:40:42] <hanshenrik> when there's actual useful stuff to cache
3116 [19:40:45] <greycat> "that's it" hahahaha
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3118 [19:41:08] <hanshenrik> lemme see if fadvice fixes it tho
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3123 [19:42:28] <hanshenrik> which fadvice should i use? fadvise64_64 or posix_fadvise or something else? .p
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3126 [19:43:16] <hanshenrik> greycat, and again, its not an nginx problem - the linux read() call does it too
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3128 [19:43:45] <greycat> I know it's not a problem. It is a magic unicorn thing that you WANT. Not a problem you are trying to solve.
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3131 [19:44:44] <`Kevin> guessing posix_fadvise POSIX_FADV_DONTNEED
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3133 [19:44:52] <`Kevin> but i agree with greycat here
3134 [19:44:57] <`Kevin> not sure where this is even leading
3135 [19:45:12] <greycat> I also am quite skeptical that this magic-unicorn test you are attempting to perform gives you any valid numbers about *actual* real-world performance with *actual* files.
3136 [19:46:06] * petn-randall guesses that the enabled gzip compression will provide excellent data transfer rates.
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3138 [19:46:56] <`Kevin> ,v nocache
3139 [19:46:57] <judd> Package: nocache on amd64 -- wheezy-backports: 0.9-2~bpo70+1; jessie: 0.9-2; buster: 1.0-1; stretch: 1.0-1; sid: 1.0-1
3140 [19:47:23] <`Kevin> does fadvise crap above ^ but beyond that goodluck :|
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3143 [19:47:42] <hanshenrik> petn-randall, why do you think i call it .zip ? nginx has a list of files it does not offer compressed transfers for (because that would be a waste of cpu for both the server and the client), and zip is among them (on that same note, there's a module for nginx that allows it to send .gz files directly without compressing, while still saying "content-encoding: gzip", to optimize for pre-compressed files, but w/e)
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3146 [19:48:22] <hanshenrik> (where nginx will serve index.html.gz instead of index.html if it exists and the client ask for index.html )
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3149 [19:48:45] <petn-randall> hanshenrik: Does nginx work on file endings, or with magic bytes?
3150 [19:48:52] <hanshenrik> file endings
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3154 [19:50:28] <saul> having trouble finding a package i'm pretty sure should be in apt
3155 [19:50:31] <saul> it's called 'gitinspector'
3156 [19:50:41] <saul> i found it on packages.debian.org but 'apt-cache search' doesnt list it
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3159 [19:51:10] <saul> running debian 8.6 by the way
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3162 [19:51:57] <jmcnaught> saul: that package was introduced for Debian 9, maybe a good time for you to upgrade
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3182 [19:59:33] <hanshenrik> let me just get this straight, nobody here sees a problem with the IO cache throwing out actual data in order to cache doesn't-really-exist really-fast-cpu-generated sparse zeroes ?
3183 [20:00:42] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: it's not ideal, but if you tell a computer to fill its memory with 0, that's what it will do
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3230 [20:21:36] <hanshenrik> jmcnaught, well, imo, i shouldn't have to tell the IO cache not to cache fake sparse bytes.. but even if i tell it not to, it's still doing it. - replaced-url
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3243 [20:26:04] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: i agree it would be nice to have easier ways of dealing with this problem, but personally I do not want the computer second-guessing what to do with information stored in RAM, because that would definitely have unintended consequences. Did you look at that nocache program mentioned earlier?
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3247 [20:27:30] <jmcnaught> hanshenrik: also as mentioned earlier, this sounds like a fairly artificial way to benchmark. Is the web server actually going to be serving files this large? Why not just test with the files that the server will actually be serving?
3248 [20:28:13] <greycat> (this large, and this compressible)
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3251 [20:28:41] <hanshenrik> jmcnaught, no i didn't, but i did manually try fadvice, which didn't make a difference - ill try nocache though. and no, it's not going to serve files that large
3252 [20:28:45] <taylan> after an updgrade my mouse and keyboard won't work in X.Org. anyone got a clue?
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3254 [20:29:29] <hanshenrik> greycat, it has nothing to do with compression. the reason i call it .zip is that nginx does not try to compress files who's filename end in .zip (i might as well call it .jpg , it doesn't try to compress that either)
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3256 [20:30:01] <`Kevin> ^ I also do not understand benchmarking a webserver for raw i/o throughput+network (where the limit actually lives), that seems like a job for iperf, netcat, fio and such utilities
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3259 [20:30:16] <greycat> I am not talking about .zip or whatever other fucking piece of the crazy magic unicorn cake that I didn't even CARE about. A stream of zeros is compressible. You're probably enabling automatic compression, because... no wait.
3260 [20:30:26] <greycat> YOu probably aren't, because that would be SANE.
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3262 [20:30:46] <greycat> Obviously you are not going to do anything sane, so never mind.
3263 [20:30:48] <hanshenrik> get this, nginx try to compress everything by default, except .zip
3264 [20:30:54] <greycat> *plonk*
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3266 [20:31:03] <hanshenrik> well, not really, but the DEBIAN DEFAULT configuration does that, anywau
3267 [20:31:05] <hanshenrik> anyway*
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3270 [20:31:09] <greycat> There, now MY problem is solved.
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3272 [20:31:52] <jim> hi, looking for drivers for a realtek card that judd says no known kernel module... one sec, details coming
3273 [20:31:56] <hexhaxtron> Hi! I got a nginx server that I'm trying to run with PHP. However it works as / but not as /~hexhaxtron/index.php
3274 [20:32:12] <greycat> hexhaxtron: hold one moment
3275 [20:32:15] <jim> suman, could you show the pciid for your card?
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3277 [20:32:27] <hexhaxtron> With /~hexhaxtron/index.php it asks me to open/save the file instead of loading it.
3278 [20:32:27] <taylan> ahh, I see greycat is in a good mood again. LOL
3279 [20:32:57] <greycat> hexhaxtron: replaced-url
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3281 [20:33:15] <suman> 10ec:b723 -pciid
3282 [20:33:26] <greycat> hexhaxtron: I'd imagine you can do something similar to what I do for ~user/foo.cgi but for ~user/foo.php
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3284 [20:33:32] <hexhaxtron> greycat: this is my config: replaced-url
3285 [20:33:41] <hanshenrik> what's this for? fastcgi_split_path_info ^(.+\.php)(/.+)$;
3286 [20:33:47] <taylan> is wayland usable on debian? given that my X.Org is borked, I may as well try it out.
3287 [20:33:54] <greycat> I have seen your configs in the past. Once was enough.
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3290 [20:34:04] <jhutchins_wk> !wayland
3291 [20:34:04] <dpkg> Wayland is a display server protocol and implementation library, intended as a simpler replacement for the X Window System. Ask me about <weston>. replaced-url
3292 [20:34:04] <greycat> You didn't even have each server in a separate file.
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3295 [20:34:43] <taylan> !weston
3296 [20:34:43] <dpkg> Weston is the reference implementation of a <wayland> compositor (display server), developed by the Wayland project. Available since Debian 8 "Jessie" although very much a work-in-progress. replaced-url
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3301 [20:35:28] <jhutchins_wk> hexhaxtron: You're not loading the php handler. It may not be installed, it may not be enabled, it may not have the correct mimetype entries.
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3305 [20:35:59] <jhutchins_wk> hexhaxtron: You may also not have the "execute" permissions set for ~
3306 [20:36:29] <hanshenrik> the php-fpm he's obviously using doesn't care about +x
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3308 [20:36:36] <hanshenrik> on the php files it runs
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3310 [20:36:43] <hanshenrik> oh, right, the folder
3311 [20:36:48] <jim> ok, the wireless card we
3312 [20:36:50] <jmcnaught> taylan: if you use GDM and GNOME then Wayland is an option at the login screen. It works okay for me
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3315 [20:37:07] <jim> are trying to get drivers for, the pciid is 10ec:b723
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3319 [20:38:40] <taylan> jmcnaught: I run gnome-session directly from my xinitrc. is there a way to tell it to use wayland?
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3321 [20:39:18] <jmcnaught> taylan: there probably is, but i've been a display manager user for many years now and using GDM is what I recommend
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3324 [20:42:22] <jim> suman, try this: sudo apt install firmare-nonfree firmware-realtek
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3334 [20:44:06] <taylan> jmcnaught: gnome-session --session gnome-wayland, and it Just Werked! using Emacs inside it now, my keyboard/mouse input problem gone :D
3335 [20:44:20] <taylan> only my mapping of RightAlt to Ctrl doesn't work
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3341 [20:45:44] <sbef> Ehy guys I just installed debian. I used a net install but didn't have any connection available ah ah so I just got the bare system on the computer
3342 [20:46:01] <greycat> !tell sbef about stretch sources.list
3343 [20:46:13] <greycat> That's after you get a working network.
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3345 [20:46:28] <jim> need to change the wireless question a bit... instead of how to get drivers for -that- card, suman wants to know how the basic troubleshooting works, if there's a card that's not working yet but theres a driver out there, how to figure out which one it is, and get it, and also how to deal with the firmware
3346 [20:46:48] <sbef> Oh ok
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3348 [20:46:58] <sbef> greycat: you got me ah ah
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3356 [20:48:50] <mimorenno1> ciao
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3359 [20:48:56] <mimorenno1> !list
3360 [20:48:56] <dpkg> mimorenno1: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
3361 [20:48:59] <jmcnaught> jim: suman: run "dmesg | grep -i firmware" too look for missing firmware messages, which will include the filename of the firmware that is missing. Then you can use apt-file or packages.debian.org to see which (if any) package has that firmware
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3363 [20:49:25] <suman> ok
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3376 [20:51:45] <BluesKaj> intersting that the bot chose Italian from the !list prompt when the user's IP is clearly in germany
3377 [20:51:49] <taylan> apparently I can just use xkbcomp from within gnome-wayland and that just works too. amazing.
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3379 [20:52:10] <greycat> The bot doesn't care where you came from, only what you say.
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3382 [20:52:32] <greycat> For some reason, Italians use !list a lot. I don't know why.
3383 [20:52:35] <sbef> greycat: and now?? Didn't change much :/
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3385 [20:52:42] <BluesKaj> so Itlian is the default language from the !list prompt
3386 [20:52:56] <greycat> sbef: if you have a working network, and a valid sources.list, then you should be able to apt-get update, and then apt-get install whatever
3387 [20:53:02] <mimorenno113> ciao
3388 [20:53:03] <greycat> !literal list
3389 [20:53:03] <dpkg> "list" is "<reply> $nick: È possibile scaricare un sacco di software libero puntando il tuo browser a replaced-url
3390 [20:53:07] <mimorenno113> !list
3391 [20:53:07] <dpkg> mimorenno113: vedi replaced-url
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3393 [20:53:15] <greycat> mimorenno113: stop it.
3394 [20:53:53] <sbef> greycat: how to check if my network Is seen as valid? I noticed ping doesn't work
3395 [20:54:07] <greycat> What error do you get?
3396 [20:54:08] <BluesKaj> greycat, some music mag in italy falsely claimed linux support chats were secretly offering mp3s to download
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3399 [20:54:48] <sbef> greycat: more or less translated: web cannot be reached
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3403 [20:55:16] <greycat> Then you probably don't have a working network. Get that fixed. Nothing else will work until that does.
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3408 [20:56:28] <tw> Why can't I use the following schroot environment-filter? environment-filter='^(?!WORKSPACE$).*$' replaced-url
3409 [20:56:35] <mimorenno113> !list
3410 [20:56:35] <dpkg> mimorenno113: Debian è un sistema operativo composto da software libero (un concetto distinto da quello di gratis): vedi replaced-url
3411 [20:57:20] <BluesKaj> !de
3412 [20:57:21] <dpkg> Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de).
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3479 [21:16:19] <greycat> Ask #nginx
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3520 [21:38:04] <jim> jmcnaught, thanks
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3526 [21:40:34] <jmcnaught> jim: get it all sorted out? cool of you to help them learn instead of just telling them what to do ☺
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3532 [21:44:10] <XndrK_> I'm trying to get WiFi set up on my Squeeze installation on my Lenovo X201.
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3535 [21:45:14] <jmcnaught> XndrK_: squeeze is no longer supported. People here might try to help, but you really should be using at least Jessie on a desktop
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3539 [21:45:42] <XndrK_> Not Squeeze, the other direction.
3540 [21:45:45] <XndrK_> Stretch.
3541 [21:45:51] <XndrK_> I'm new to Debian.
3542 [21:46:07] <XndrK_> whups
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3544 [21:46:39] <jmcnaught> XndrK_: ☺ no problem. What have you tried?
3545 [21:46:53] <XndrK_> well, I followed the instructions on the wiki
3546 [21:46:58] <XndrK_> give me a sec
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3565 [21:58:44] <XndrK_> can't find it
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3567 [21:59:54] <jmcnaught> XndrK_: can't find what? I asked what you have tried, I don't know which way you are attempting to configure wifi
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3570 [22:00:34] <DammitJim> man, what is embedded heimdal kerberos?
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3573 [22:00:55] <DammitJim> or how do I find out if my samba was compiled using that for my debian jessie servers?
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3576 [22:02:00] <apollo13> embedded meaning statically linked?
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3578 [22:02:15] <apollo13> then again dpkg would tell you the dependencies
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3580 [22:02:33] <apollo13> assuming you didn't compile manually in which case you should know what you did^^
3581 [22:02:36] <DammitJim> I just don't know if this samba security update affects me
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3583 [22:02:42] <DammitJim> no, I am not that smart
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3585 [22:03:16] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: are you using kerberos with samba?
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3588 [22:04:42] <DammitJim> I think I have kerberos installed
3589 [22:04:47] <DammitJim> not sure I am using it with samba
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3601 [22:07:16] <julius> hi
3602 [22:07:17] <jmcnaught> DammitJim: replaced-url
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3604 [22:07:44] <julius> is there a way to get the kernel headers for 4.8.0? cant find them with apt search
3605 [22:07:57] <DammitJim> thanks jmcnaught
3606 [22:07:59] <DammitJim> what a pain
3607 [22:08:06] <greycat> !tell julius about snapshot
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3609 [22:08:44] <greycat> You're using a kernel that was removed from testing while stretch was testing, so you would need the headers from that same place.
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3620 [22:12:57] <XndrK_> My Wifi doesn't work at all.
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3623 [22:13:17] <XndrK_> I know I just mentioned that about ten minutes ago, but I couldn't get anything from it and wiki-walking hasn't helped.
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3625 [22:14:00] <apollo13> well, which wifi card do you have in there?
3626 [22:14:06] <XndrK_> how do I find out?
3627 [22:14:16] <XndrK_> I ran lspci, but I get a lot of things and don't know which is relevant to me.
3628 [22:14:22] <greycat> start with lspci -nn
3629 [22:14:22] <XndrK_> It's definitely Intel, though.
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3631 [22:14:35] <apollo13> do you see a line "Network controller: …"
3632 [22:14:42] <greycat> lspci -nn | grep -i wireless
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3634 [22:14:49] <greycat> or grep -i network
3635 [22:14:49] <XndrK_> yes: 02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Intel Corporation Centrino Advanced-N 6200 [8086:4239] (rev 35)
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3638 [22:15:05] <greycat> ,pciid 8086:4239
3639 [22:15:06] <judd> [8086:4239] is 'Centrino Advanced-N 6200' from 'Intel Corporation' with kernel modules 'iwlwifi', 'ata_generic', 'snd-hda-intel' in jessie. See also replaced-url
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3641 [22:15:14] <greycat> !iwlwifi
3642 [22:15:14] <dpkg> The iwlwifi Linux kernel driver supports several Intel 802.11n (WiFi Link, Wireless-N, Advanced-N, Ultimate-N) and 802.11ac adapters. Firmware is required, ask me about <non-free sources> and install the firmware-iwlwifi package to provide. Supported devices are listed at replaced-url
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3658 [22:20:16] <jim> jmcnaught, for one thing, he wants to learn to package, and is on ##debian-mentors here (tried to connect to oftc failed due to network issues; I gave him a bunch of stuff to do and learn, bash-doc, make-doc, apt source hello and read all files, also he's new to debian (and to linux) but is excited about it and is just this week completing an engineering degree
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3661 [22:21:21] <jim> well he asked to learn about that stuff so I gave him all that stuff and some more stuff
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3664 [22:22:57] <jim> he researched what a .deb is (ar containing a short text file and 2 compressed tarballs), so I'm thinking he might have the aptitude
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3702 [22:35:24] <Nothing4You> i'm using a vps, when i'm trying to load a kernel module (dkms) i'm getting an error about the module not being in /lib/modules/4.5.7-std-3, however, during installation of the package it tells me "It is likely that 4.5.7-std-3 belongs to a chroot's host" and that it's skipping 4.5.7 install because i don't have headers for it
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3705 [22:35:55] <Nothing4You> uname shows 4.5.7-std-3, the module is being built for 4.9.0-3-amd64
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3707 [22:36:04] <greycat> What kind of VPS? Is it a container like OpenVZ, or a full-blown virtual machine where you run your own kernel different from the host?
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3709 [22:36:57] <greycat> If it's a container where you share the host's kernel, then the host has to be the one to load a new module. You can't.
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3711 [22:37:07] <zlate> my apt can not find the net-tools package, i dont get why?
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3713 [22:37:19] <Nothing4You> what's an easy way to test that?
3714 [22:38:31] <greycat> I'm not expert with this stuff... does "lsmod" show anything?
3715 [22:38:43] <Nothing4You> kvm
3716 [22:38:45] <greycat> (It doesn't on my OpenVZ VPS.)
3717 [22:38:45] <Nothing4You> yeah
3718 [22:38:49] <XndrK_> thanks for the help
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3720 [22:39:00] <greycat> It only shows kvm and nothing else?
3721 [22:39:06] <Nothing4You> shows other stuff aswell
3722 [22:39:11] <XndrK> so that's why I was forced to have an underscore
3723 [22:39:13] <XndrK> I had two instances
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3725 [22:39:31] <Nothing4You> replaced-url
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3727 [22:40:44] <greycat> well in any case, 4.5.7-std-3 is not a Debian kernel... to build modules for it, you would need to have the headers that were created at the same time as the 4.5.7-std-3 kernel image
3728 [22:40:45] <Nothing4You> looks like full virtualization
3729 [22:40:45] <jelly> what does uname -a really say, Nothing4You?
3730 [22:40:55] <Nothing4You> 4.5.7-std-3 #1 SMP Tue Jul 12 09:56:30 UTC 2016 x86_64 GNU/Linux
3731 [22:41:13] <jelly> when was this system lsat booted?
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3733 [22:41:26] <Nothing4You> 20:41:22 up 33 min, 2 users, load average: 0.37, 0.39, 0.39
3734 [22:41:38] <jelly> ask your provider how to boot your distro kernel.
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3737 [22:41:59] <Nothing4You> i see
3738 [22:42:33] <Nothing4You> i guess i'll live with fuse performance for now then
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3740 [22:43:41] <jelly> zlate, which debian release do you have installed?
3741 [22:43:48] <Nothing4You> unless someone happens to know if that's easily doable with a scaleway vps
3742 [22:43:56] <Nothing4You> using the distro kernel i mean
3743 [22:44:09] <jelly> bet the scaleway people do
3744 [22:44:15] <greycat> replaced-url
3745 [22:44:25] <greycat> 3 seconds once we have the name
3746 [22:44:26] <Nothing4You> yeah just found that
3747 [22:44:38] <Nothing4You> says no custom kernel
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3750 [22:45:35] <jelly> Nothing4You, however, you're using their kernel, so under GPL 2.0 you have full right to get sources and headers for the exact kernel you're running
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3752 [22:45:51] <jelly> ask your vendor for those, then
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3754 [22:46:09] <Nothing4You> replaced-url
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3756 [22:46:38] <zlate> jelly: stretch, netinstall
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3761 [22:48:12] <jelly> zlate, verify your sources are complete, run "apt update" and "apt-cache policy" and "apt-cache policy net-tools" and pastebin the results
3762 [22:48:17] <jelly> !stretch sources.list
3763 [22:48:18] <dpkg> A suitable /etc/apt/sources.list for "Stretch" has three lines: "deb replaced-url
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3773 [22:49:43] <zlate> jelly: is iproute2 == net-tools, since its the only hit i get when i search for it
3774 [22:49:44] <Nothing4You> actually seems to be easier than expected
3775 [22:49:55] <Nothing4You> thanks for the input
3776 [22:49:56] <jelly> zlate, no.
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3783 [22:51:47] <jelly> ,v net-tools
3784 [22:51:48] <judd> Package: net-tools on amd64 -- wheezy: 1.60-24.2; jessie: 1.60-26+b1; buster: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; stretch: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1; sid: 1.60+git20161116.90da8a0-1
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3786 [22:52:03] <jelly> present in stretch, just not installed by default
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3788 [22:54:45] <zlate> jelly: replaced-url
3789 [22:54:53] <greycat> *plonk*
3790 [22:54:58] <DammitJim> holy cow, so this cve for samba and heimdal is actually a heimdal problem, I think
3791 [22:55:03] <DammitJim> gosh, this stuff is so confusing
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3795 [22:55:31] <Nothing4You> gah
3796 [22:55:33] <Nothing4You> Error! The dkms.conf for this module includes a BUILD_EXCLUSIVE directive which
3797 [22:55:35] <Nothing4You> does not match this kernel/arch. This indicates that it should not be built.
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3799 [22:56:58] <jelly> zlate, your sources.list is not complete.
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3801 [22:57:26] <greycat> jelly has superhuman patience
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3805 [22:57:42] <jelly> and a browser able to view images
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3807 [22:57:57] <greycat> and the willingness to spend the time to *use* that
3808 [22:58:08] <jelly> it's two clicks
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3812 [23:00:48] <apollo13> DammitJim: sure it is a heimdal problem, but if you link statically you make it a CVE for every software using heimdal :D
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3821 [23:03:29] <Hoolootwo> hopefully there's no software running heimdal
3822 [23:03:55] <Hoolootwo> wait no I'm thinking of heimdall, the samsung flash thing
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3831 [23:07:49] <Dr_Coke> Can I ask how can I get my linux partitions in debian seen in mac os
3832 [23:07:53] <zlate> jelly: thanks, strange that i didnt get the plain stretch in my install. I only got stretch/updates and stretch-updates.
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3834 [23:08:18] <jelly> that happens sometimes
3835 [23:08:28] <Dr_Coke> I have software I got for mac os and it sees them but unlike with ubuntu where I could mount them properly and edit and do stuff it doesn't see them right
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3837 [23:10:41] <p0g0> Dr_Coke: I don't have an answer, but I'll note that you'd need to manage the file system as well as the partition type, and Debian supports a lot of different file system types.
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3841 [23:12:19] <sbef> How can I set up a connection in command line??? Like in arch Linux it took 5 minutes in debian looks like walking through hell!!!!!!
3842 [23:12:27] <sbef> Could anyone help me?
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3844 [23:13:14] <saul> a connection eh
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3846 [23:13:21] <saul> you mean assign IP to interface ?
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3848 [23:14:04] <saul> you can use ifconfig to assign it, if you want it permanent you have to look at /etc/network/interfaces
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3850 [23:14:59] <sbef> I mean connect to internet and be able to use apt-get
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3853 [23:15:54] <themill> If you want an answer more detailed than "it's the same" you might want to supply some details. What have you tried? What happened? What didn't work?
3854 [23:16:39] <sevaho> Hello, I've just installed Debian on a server and I can't ssh into it with the defaults, getting host key verification failed, also I can't ssh localhost on the machine, I'm using debian strech and didnt touch sshd config
3855 [23:17:00] <sevaho> Is there something odd with ssh on debian vs other distros?
3856 [23:17:07] <apollo13> "host key verification failed" <-- did you already have a server with the same ip before?
3857 [23:17:26] <sevaho> Nope clean host pc tested with serveral pcs
3858 [23:17:34] <apollo13> show the complete output
3859 [23:18:16] <sevaho> OpenSSH_7.5p1, OpenSSL 1.1.0f 25 May 2017
3860 [23:18:18] <sevaho> debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
3861 [23:18:20] <sevaho> debug1: Connecting to 192.168.0.4 [192.168.0.4] port 22.
3862 [23:18:22] <sevaho> debug1: Connection established.
3863 [23:18:24] <sevaho> debug1: identity file /home/sevaho/.ssh/id_rsa type 1
3864 [23:18:24] *** sevaho was kicked by debhelper (flood. Please use replaced-url
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3866 [23:18:43] <apollo13> ah well
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3869 [23:19:20] <themill> sevaho: was 192.168.0.4 once used by a different machine?
3870 [23:19:26] <sevaho> ok im back sorry for not using pastebin, thought it would go automatically
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3875 [23:19:45] <sevaho> no never clean ip
3876 [23:20:06] <julius> thx greycat
3877 [23:20:07] <hanasaki> why was adzapper removed from debian repos?
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3879 [23:20:11] <sevaho> my known_hosts file on client is empty
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3882 [23:20:41] <sevaho> and fresh debian installed server, ssh is up tested with telnet
3883 [23:20:57] <apollo13> as I said: full output please
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3885 [23:21:07] <themill> ,bug rm adzapper
3886 [23:21:09] <judd> Bug replaced-url
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3888 [23:22:00] <sevaho> replaced-url
3889 [23:22:03] <sevaho> here ya go
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3892 [23:22:19] <apollo13> please use the pastebin suggested when you got kicked or any other ad-free pastebin
3893 [23:22:26] <themill> sevaho: and what did you say at the (yes/no) prompt?
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3895 [23:23:19] <apollo13> lol, don't tell me it is the standard yes/no prompt for unknown hostkeys :D
3896 [23:23:31] <sevaho> omfg
3897 [23:23:47] <sevaho> I always entered thinking yes is default
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3899 [23:24:17] <sevaho> I feel so stupid tyvm
3900 [23:24:43] <apollo13> nothing security sensitive will/should have yes as default
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3902 [23:25:27] <sevaho> They should make no uppercase imo
3903 [23:25:27] <themill> rubber duck debugging ftw
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3938 [23:47:39] <hanshenrik> anyone gotten VMWare shared folders to work with a debian 9 guest?
3939 [23:48:03] <hanshenrik> the debian 8 shared folders works fine, but i can't get the debian 9 shared folder to work x.x
3940 [23:48:31] <hanshenrik> always getting the error: Error: cannot canonicalize mount point: No such file or directory
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3946 [23:52:06] <hanshenrik> like, i share /foo from the host with the name "foo", and run mount -t vmhgfs .host:/foo /foo
3947 [23:52:16] <hanshenrik> Error: cannot canonicalize mount point: No such file or directory
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3950 [23:54:17] <SporkWitch> random regex question: I need to use find to track down any file which contains a number in parentheses (e.g. foo(1).jpg); trying to nuke a bunch of dupes. ".*\d+.*" turns up any with numbers, but ".*\(\d+\).*" returns NOTHING. not sure where i'm going wrong, the regex SHOULD be good. Using posix-extended for regextype
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3953 [23:55:07] <abrotman> There's a program that will find duplicate files
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3955 [23:55:20] <abrotman> judd: info fdupes
3956 [23:55:21] <judd> Package fdupes (utils, optional) in stretch/amd64: identifies duplicate files within given directories. Version: 1:1.6.1-1+b1; Size: 20.7k; Installed: 52k; Homepage: replaced-url
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3960 [23:56:21] <SporkWitch> abrotman: i've had poor luck with most dupe-finders in the past, and honestly, it should be a simple regex, just a matter of sorting out why it isn't behaving
3961 [23:56:47] <SporkWitch> abrotman: at this point it's no longer really about the initial problem is nuking the obvious dupes, and now it's about figuring out WTF is wrong with the regex lol
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3963 [23:56:58] <SporkWitch> s/is/of/
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3966 [23:58:16] <abrotman> probably just show us the whole command
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3968 [23:58:38] <abrotman> (also, there is #bash0
3969 [23:58:39] <abrotman> )
3970 [23:58:41] <SporkWitch> sure, though the only relevant bit is the regextype and regex
3971 [23:58:51] <abrotman> might be an option you're using that is messing it up
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3973 [23:59:07] <SporkWitch> definitely not :) find . -regextype posix-extended -regex ".*\(\d+\).*"
3974 [23:59:36] <mutante> if you edit sudoer permissions for a user and you use a wildcard, like letting them run /usr/local/sbin/somecommand* with the * at the end, does that mean they can just append ANYTHING with & or ; and they have full root? or is it preventing that kind of thing
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